At this point, does Clark love Lois?

[melissan02]

I think just the fact that they are going to do a tad bit of "rebuilding" it will show the entire audience why Lois Lane is the woman he's happiest with. He would never have the happiness with anyone else, and that doesn't make her second choice.

I think there's a lot of rebuilding to do, Michelle.:( But I really hope that it will be as you say. Presented in a way, with time, that clearly show why Lois Lane is the soulmate. ;) Fingers still crossed....cramping, but still crossed!:lol:

[Jack-El49]

I liked that moment and it delivered the same message to me, that he was ready to move on. Although, it felt like he's accepting that he can't be with Lana for circumstances that are beyond his control and therefore he has no choice but to move on. I don't know, I need more to convince me that she's not second choice. But I really appreciated that scene.

That's the travesty of the AoS (Arc of Shame). Until a situation presents itself where he can vocalize that he's over Lana, there will always be that grain of doubt no matter how far away from the episode they get.

I was hoping that Lana would resurface, free of her Kryptonite poisoning only to have Clark tell her he's moved on and no longer interested in a relationship with her. Even if it's a phone call - particuarly if Lois is sitting across from him and he tells Lana he's moved on and is finding his destiny and a greater happiness without her (as he looks at Lois).

That is what this series needs to jump start the chase.

[SuperheroFan87]

Also, what's wrong with a power suit. Batman has one. If Lana is weak and fragile for acquring a suit to give her enhance capabilities and abilities then you are already dismissing a majority of superheroes. Lana has just followed the same path many superheroes have gone to achieve greater powers and responsibilities.

I'm sorry, I have to respond to this. The superheroes who do have power suits (like Iron Man, War Machine, etc.) didn't steal them and they didn't have selfish motives for acquiring them. They're genuine heroes who only desire to help a flawed race in a flawed world. The MAJORITY of heroes acquire their powers unexpectedly or they are born with said abilities. Batman's suit is made of kevlar.........its essentially body armor. Sure he has hi-tech gadgetry but that isn't part of the suit, its just stuff he puts in his belt. Superman, Green Lantern, Spider-Man, The Incredible Hulk, Captain America, The X-Men, etc. are far different from Lana.........they're heroes for unselfish reasons.

Lana stole the power suit for selfish reasons, for her own gain and manipulative agenda. She was jealous of Clark clearly, because she couldn't stand the fact that Clark had powers and she didn't. Remember "Wrath"? She used her abilities selfishly, and she was a hardcore beeeeyotch for, well for the entire series run really, but even more so in Season Seven and her storyline this season didn't have the complete, final resolution we were promised, that's jmo:).

[Mickey_Bickey]

Yes - I have a partner! I hold out hope that they will develop it like in Episodes 1 - 10, only a little faster now that other things have happened that build on 1 - 10, minus the setback of the Arc of Shame. I just fear that laziness will overtake them and leave the creative stuff in the chest and use the old angst, silly plot devices, and irrational fear to string us along hoping there will be a season 10.

I'm just a product of public education! The fact I knew the references would probably shock many of those teachers, too. :lol:

I'm not saying there won't be a bump in the road, but for the most part I think they'll keep the show and characters on track from here on end! I think that S9 could be a great season without a huge interruption by any characters that left the show!;)

Arc of Shame!!:lol: So true!!:lol: I'm glad you knew those references!

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exactly...and even in the comics, Clark in his early days had a serious thing with Lori Lemaris, the mermaid and had planned on marrying her, but due to her being a mermaid, they couldn't get together..so they separated, but it wasn't because they didn't want to.

But yet, no one questions that the Clark now who is happily married to Lois picked her to be his second choice. Lois still comes out as the best choice and as his soulmate


My point exactly!!:D

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I think there's a lot of rebuilding to do, Michelle.:( But I really hope that it will be as you say. Presented in a way, with time, that clearly show why Lois Lane is the soulmate. ;) Fingers still crossed....cramping, but still crossed!:lol:

Fingers crossed, Mel!!:lol: Slowly but surely we'll all be riding the Clois train again!!;)

[herolee10]

That's the travesty of the AoS (Arc of Shame). Until a situation presents itself where he can vocalize that he's over Lana, there will always be that grain of doubt no matter how far away from the episode they get.

I was hoping that Lana would resurface, free of her Kryptonite poisoning only to have Clark tell her he's moved on and no longer interested in a relationship with her. Even if it's a phone call - particuarly if Lois is sitting across from him and he tells Lana he's moved on and is finding his destiny and a greater happiness without her (as he looks at Lois).

That is what this series needs to jump start the chase.

I think that they could do a role of reversal, where this time Clark pulls a "Lana"..and sends her a video (we would see him making it of course)..telling her that he wishes her the best of luck in her future, but that he's moved on and fallen in love with Lois and that he loves her like no other.

[melissan02]

I'm sorry, I have to respond to this. The superheroes who do have power suits (like Iron Man, War Machine, etc.) didn't steal them and they didn't have selfish motives for acquiring them. They're genuine heroes who only desire to help a flawed race in a flawed world. The MAJORITY of heroes acquire their powers unexpectedly or they are born with said abilities. Batman's suit is made of kevlar.........its essentially body armor. Sure he has hi-tech gadgetry but that isn't part of the suit, its just stuff he puts in his belt. Superman, Green Lantern, Spider-Man, The Incredible Hulk, Captain America, The X-Men, etc. are far different from Lana.........they're heroes for unselfish reasons.

Lana stole the power suit for selfish reasons, for her own gain and manipulative agenda. She was jealous of Clark clearly, because she couldn't stand the fact that Clark had powers and she didn't. Remember "Wrath"? She used her abilities selfishly, and she was a hardcore beeeeyotch for, well for the entire series run really, but even more so in Season Seven and her storyline this season didn't have the complete, final resolution we were promised, that's jmo:).
:rotfl::rotfl: TESTIFY!!

[myankskent]

well I think the fact that Clark hasn't been looking for a cure for Lana's problem, or that he didn't use the Legion ring to undo her fate, or even get Zatanna to do something about it, is really a sign that he's just accepted it for what it is and is moving on.

I mean if Clark was heads over heals in love with Lana like he was back in season 5, then he would have done one of those things but he didnt.


I just can't agree with this. The guy fought massive amounts of kryptonite to kiss her, yet the fact that he is not searching for a cure means that he's not really in love with Lana? IMO, Clark not searching for a cure is just like Clark not trying to get the FOS running again. In both situations, Clark is basically throwing his arms up in the air and telling himself that there is nothing that he can do, yet there is a ton of evidence to suggest otherwise. Curing Lana aside, I can't believe that Clark is not even making an attempt to resurrect the fortress when the damn place has been dead before on this show and come back to life. But that's what happens when the writers have created a very contrived show. When they plan on rolling out the FOS set with Stamp doing the voice, that's when they'll have Clark magically realize that the fortress can be saved. If KK comes back, that's when TPTB will magically give Clark a reason to believe that Lana can be cured or at the very least, continue the storyline from "Requiem". But right now, everything is on hold and it will remain that way if TPTB don't bring the fortress/Stamp back and don't bring KK back. That's the way I view it.

[Mickey_Bickey]

I'm sorry, I have to respond to this. The superheroes who do have power suits (like Iron Man, War Machine, etc.) didn't steal them and they didn't have selfish motives for acquiring them. They're genuine heroes who only desire to help a flawed race in a flawed world. The MAJORITY of heroes acquire their powers unexpectedly or they are born with said abilities. Batman's suit is made of kevlar.........its essentially body armor. Sure he has hi-tech gadgetry but that isn't part of the suit, its just stuff he puts in his belt. Superman, Green Lantern, Spider-Man, The Incredible Hulk, Captain America, The X-Men, etc. are far different from Lana.........they're heroes for unselfish reasons.

Lana stole the power suit for selfish reasons, for her own gain and manipulative agenda. She was jealous of Clark clearly, because she couldn't stand the fact that Clark had powers and she didn't. Remember "Wrath"? She used her abilities selfishly, and she was a hardcore beeeeyotch for, well for the entire series run really, but even more so in Season Seven and her storyline this season didn't have the complete, final resolution we were promised, that's jmo:).

ITA!:D That was actually some really good information you gave here about Batman's suit along with the other super heroes!

[BadToad]

And when has Lana ever felt inferior to Clark?!

If she didn't feel inferior to Clark, why would she need to actually alter herself genetically in order to be with him?


If anything Clark has both an inferiority complex in the years leading up his confession in S6 and then in S7 he developed a momentary superiority complex when she wasn't living up to his expectation of her, and looked down on her for mistakes her committed in the past too.

Ya know, I'm pretty sure that Clark never had a man kidnapped, and held him hostage in a cabin with a crazy woman as his caretaker, but perhaps you could point out to me in what episode Clark did that? I'm also pretty sure I never saw Clark Kent tell Lana what a failure she was, as we saw Lana do in Wrath either.


Lana for her part knows now that being with Clark demands her to step up and become more than just a mere human. A man as super as Clark needs a woman who can be the same thing.

Really? Has Clark ever said anything to that effect? If he did, I certainly can't remember that.


Nearly every character on Smallville, if not all, has had some power or been powerful. It's tradition.

And I'm pretty sure that none of them altered themselves genetically.


Clark and Lex stopped being friend once Lex started dating Lana, and they became enemies once Clark learned what he did to her.

Sorry, wrong again. Clark and Lex's initial blow-up occured in S3's Covenant, with the discovery of the secret room. Although they mended fences in S4, their relationship continued to be strained. In S5's Mortal, Clark finds out that Lex set up a test for him, and put his parents and Lana in danger to do it. This led to blows between them. After that point, Clark and Lex were never what one could call friends again. Did they have moments of civility? Yes. But "friends"? The end to that came well before Lana decided to swap spit with Lex. As far as when they became "enemies", I certainly didn't see any major change in the acrimonious relationship Clex had once Clark found out what he did to Lana. *If* he found that, something the show never covered in any great detail.

[Mickey_Bickey]

I think that they could do a role of reversal, where this time Clark pulls a "Lana"..and sends her a video (we would see him making it of course)..telling her that he wishes her the best of luck in her future, but that he's moved on and fallen in love with Lois and that he loves her like no other.


That would be fantastic!! There would be no need for KK to return.

[herolee10]

I just can't agree with this. The guy fought massive amounts of kryptonite to kiss her, yet the fact that he is not searching for a cure means that he's not really in love with Lana? IMO, Clark not searching for a cure is just like Clark not trying to get the FOS running again. In both situations, Clark is basically throwing his arms up in the air and telling himself that there is nothing that he can do, yet there is a ton of evidence to suggest otherwise. Curing Lana aside, I can't believe that Clark is not even making an attempt to resurrect the fortress when the damn place has been dead before on this show and come back to life. But that's what happens when the writers have created a very contrived show. When they plan on rolling out the FOS set with Stamp doing the voice, that's when they'll have Clark magically realize that the fortress can be saved. If KK comes back, that's when TPTB will magically give Clark a reason to believe that Lana can be cured or at the very least, continue the storyline from "Requiem".


well technically, Clark has no way of restoring the FOS because

1. He knows that Brainiac took everything with him when he corrupted it.

2. No power crystal or immense amount of energy to charge it again like he did in "Fallout"

As for Lana's cure. It's not like Lana's suit was made from Alien origins. And Oliver has the same amount of resources almost like Lex did. He could have just asked Oliver to have his team work on something in the meantime.

Also, the past has shown that Clark does not give up so easily when it comes to matters of the heart. Clark even went back in time to save Lana at one point, granted it got his father killed though.

Clark could have used the Legion ring to undo what happened to Lana and stop Toyman from making that bomb of his.

Clark could even ask Zatanna to cure Lana if he wanted to, and the fact that his deepest desire wasn't for him and Lana to get back says a lot.

[EternalTwilight]

well I think the fact that Clark hasn't been looking for a cure for Lana's problem, or that he didn't use the Legion ring to undo her fate, or even get Zatanna to do something about it, is really a sign that he's just accepted it for what it is and is moving on.

I mean if Clark was heads over heals in love with Lana like he was back in season 5, then he would have done one of those things but he didnt.

I mean, had it been him and Lois in that situation where the K bomb was located, he would have found another way..Like oh I dont know, instead of absorbing the radiation, wouldn't it have made better sense to throw it far in the sky..lol

We can only speculate on what he would have done with Lois in a similar situation but there is consolation in the fact that he didn't use the ring to fix SuperLana. IMO, when you're in love, you'd move heaven and earth to be with that person or to help them.

What I would really like is a verbal admission that he's over her. It would be great if KK showed up for one last episode so we could actually see this but I think she'll stay away to avoid this kind of scenario in the best interest of her character. Or the writers would find a way to screw it up again, who knows. We'll have to settle for Clark conveying the message himself. :\

[Alania]

What angst in the last scene of Hex? There was no angst at all but a complete and determined look on Clark's face as he watched Lois leave. Also, when Lois turned there was a quick look of sadness, but for a split second (literally)!

That was one of the best executed scenes between Clark and Lois ever on this show!! The dialogue was on, the characters were fun, confident and playful! It was quite the opposite of anything we've seen with Clark and Lana! Not even a comparison!


Michele, u did realize i was being sarcastic right? Please, don't think i actually found all those things! I just could not pass without replying to a post stating Claark and Lois would go through all the same bad times Clana went through. BTW, before u offer, i don't want clois smoochie:lol:, i'm staying strong!!


I'm sorry, I have to respond to this. The superheroes who do have power suits (like Iron Man, War Machine, etc.) didn't steal them and they didn't have selfish motives for acquiring them. They're genuine heroes who only desire to help a flawed race in a flawed world. The MAJORITY of heroes acquire their powers unexpectedly or they are born with said abilities. Batman's suit is made of kevlar.........its essentially body armor. Sure he has hi-tech gadgetry but that isn't part of the suit, its just stuff he puts in his belt. Superman, Green Lantern, Spider-Man, The Incredible Hulk, Captain America, The X-Men, etc. are far different from Lana.........they're heroes for unselfish reasons.

Lana stole the power suit for selfish reasons, for her own gain and manipulative agenda. She was jealous of Clark clearly, because she couldn't stand the fact that Clark had powers and she didn't. Remember "Wrath"? She used her abilities selfishly, and she was a hardcore beeeeyotch for, well for the entire series run really, but even more so in Season Seven and her storyline this season didn't have the complete, final resolution we were promised, that's jmo:).

Thanks, Joe, u explained a whole lot better than me! I was actually hoping u would, since u are a superhero fan! :)

[melissan02]

well I think the fact that Clark hasn't been looking for a cure for Lana's problem, or that he didn't use the Legion ring to undo her fate, or even get Zatanna to do something about it, is really a sign that he's just accepted it for what it is and is moving on.

I mean if Clark was heads over heals in love with Lana like he was back in season 5, then he would have done one of those things but he didnt.

I mean, had it been him and Lois in that situation where the K bomb was located, he would have found another way..Like oh I dont know, instead of absorbing the radiation, wouldn't it have made better sense to throw it far in the sky..lol
thomas, had KK been signed for more SV episodes, I have a strong feeling that what we'd be seeing IS Clark desperately trying to find a cure!
The show obviously can't have him search for a cure, turn back time, or anything else that might undo Lana's fate, simply because KK's not on the show anymore. But, I can't help but think we haven't seen the last of her. How are you going to feel should she return for an episode or two (or, God forbid more:rolleyes:) next season?

[Mickey_Bickey]

I just can't agree with this. The guy fought massive amounts of kryptonite to kiss her, yet the fact that he is not searching for a cure means that he's not really in love with Lana? IMO, Clark not searching for a cure is just like Clark not trying to get the FOS running again. In both situations, Clark is basically throwing his arms up in the air and telling himself that there is nothing that he can do, yet there is a ton of evidence to suggest otherwise. Curing Lana aside, I can't believe that Clark is not even making an attempt to resurrect the fortress when the damn place has been dead before on this show and come back to life. But that's what happens when the writers have created a very contrived show. When they plan on rolling out the FOS set with Stamp doing the voice, that's when they'll have Clark magically realize that the fortress can be saved. If KK comes back, that's when TPTB will magically give Clark a reason to believe that Lana can be cured or at the very least, continue the storyline from "Requiem". But right now, everything is on hold and it will remain that way if TPTB don't bring the fortress/Stamp back and don't bring KK back. That's the way I view it.

Matt, in the past Clark would have moved heaven and earth to find a cure for Lana. He had doubts in Bulletproof and Power that they could be together. I only wish that the writers ended it there by having Clark make the decision to tell her that it wasn't going to work with them. Unfortunately, the end of Power and Requiem combined made Clark's character look the worst I've ever seen him.

Now, if he was truly that in love with her and passionate about their relationship he would be seeking a cure. We know that, even with Lana off screen.

The writers have purposely made Clark move on at this point, because they want to continue to progress his character. I don't know what the real story was behind those episodes, but I'm hoping that TW gives an interview this Spring/Summer and touches upon it. He was completely off in those episodes, and I never say that.

It was so refreshing to see TW on top of his game again in Hex! He was good in Infamous and Turbulence too, and the only difference I can see is the way they're writing his character (again).

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Michele, i did realize i was being sarcastic right? Please, don't think i actually found all those things! I just could not pass without replying to a post stating Claark and Lois would go through all the same bad times Clana went through. BTW, before u offer, i don't want clois smoochie:lol:, i'm staying strong!!

I thought you were serious! Good God!!:lol: Thankfully, you've se the record straight!!;)

[melissan02]

We can only speculate on what he would have done with Lois in a similar situation but there is consolation in the fact that he didn't use the ring to fix SuperLana. IMO, when you're in love, you'd move heaven and earth to be with that person or to help them.
What I would really like is a verbal admission that he's over her. It would be great if KK showed up for one last episode so we could actually see this but I think she'll stay away to avoid this kind of scenario in the best interest of her character. Or the writers would find a way to screw it up again, who knows. We'll have to settle for Clark conveying the message himself. :\

Not when that person is only signed for 5 episodes! If she [KK/Lana] was still around or available, we'd have a VERY different story on our hands here.

[EternalTwilight]

I think that they could do a role of reversal, where this time Clark pulls a "Lana"..and sends her a video (we would see him making it of course)..telling her that he wishes her the best of luck in her future, but that he's moved on and fallen in love with Lois and that he loves her like no other.

Thomas, that's hilarious. :lol:


I think just the fact that they are going to do a tad bit of "rebuilding" it will show the entire audience why Lois Lane is the woman he's happiest with. He would never have the happiness with anyone else, and that doesn't make her second choice.

I am married and have been for 8 years. My husband had a girlfriend in college who he cared very much for, but she had another year left. Who's to say what would have happened had she graduated the same year as he. Am I second choice? I think not. Sometimes life diverts us to another path, and often those paths are better than the ones we were on initially unbeknownst to us at the time.;):)

Yeah, I'd have to agree with you there. I guess you can't expect to enter a relationship with someone who doesn't have a past. My stubborn refusal to let go of the mythos version of Clois is getting in the way of enjoying this version. :p

[herolee10]

thomas, had KK been signed for more SV episodes, I have a strong feeling that what we'd be seeing IS Clark desperately trying to find a cure!
The show obviously can't have him search for a cure, turn back time, or anything else that might undo Lana's fate, simply because KK's not on the show anymore. But, I can't help but think we haven't seen the last of her. How are you going to feel should she return for an episode or two (or, God forbid more:rolleyes:) next season?

true..but knowing these writers, they could have come up with something I guess...seeing as how they were able to bring back Lex even without MR playing him

[myankskent]

Clark could have used the Legion ring to undo what happened to Lana and stop Toyman from making that bomb of his.

Clark could even ask Zatanna to cure Lana if he wanted to, and the fact that his deepest desire wasn't for him and Lana to get back says a lot.

Clark could've used the Legion ring to save the fortress. He could've had Zatanna resurrect the fortress. I'd argue that getting the fortress up and running could potentially save many lives because Clark could get the training that he needs to have a chance against Doomsday. This is my whole point regarding the Lana situation. If Clark not taking measures to cure Lana means that he doesn't really love her, then he doesn't really give a damn about the world either because there are tons of things that he could've done to either save the lives of people who have died in the past or to prevent more deaths from happening in the future. That's why I'm taking the approach where I've decided that it's just contrived writing all around and that these storylines are just left up in the air until TPTB decide to come back to them.

[supes0]

thomas, had KK been signed for more SV episodes, I have a strong feeling that what we'd be seeing IS Clark desperately trying to find a cure!
The show obviously can't have him search for a cure, turn back time, or anything else that might undo Lana's fate, simply because KK's not on the show anymore. But, I can't help but think we haven't seen the last of her. How are you going to feel should she return for an episode or two (or, God forbid more:rolleyes:) next season?

But at some point though we have to accept what we see on screen vs real life politics.

And on screen we see a happy Clark who is not pining or searching for a cure for Lana. He's moving forward. This is the story we're being told. And it's part of SV canon until otherwise retconned.

Now on to the real life issues....

Was Welling happy with the P/R arc? If reports are true, and he wasn't happy with his character season 6 & 7 because of how Clark was written, then what did he think of these 2 episodes?

Why did he sign for season 9? Did he ask for more creative control over his character? He obviously had leverage. How did he use it? He too had to know the door was open for Lana's return.

If Welling is a producer for next year, or even has creative control over his character, do you think a potential Lana appearance would play this way?

I don't. Because it would make Clark look bad, and not be in Welling's professional interest.

[herolee10]

Clark could've used the Legion ring to save the fortress. He could've had Zatanna resurrect the fortress. I'd argue that getting the fortress up and running could potentially save many lives because Clark could get the training that he needs to have a chance against Doomsday. This is my whole point regarding the Lana situation. If Clark not taking measures to cure Lana means that he doesn't really love her, then he doesn't really give a damn about the world either because there are tons of things that he could've done to either save the lives of people who have died in the past or to prevent more deaths from happening in the future. That's why I'm taking the approach where I've decided that it's just contrived writing all around and that these storylines are just left up in the air until TPTB decide to come back to them.

good point.

Indeed. the AOS as it's now being referred, was something that truly did not belong anywhere in season 8 and should have been done with season 7.

Hell, I could have taken the video break up over the Kryptonite break up any day, since Clark and Lana were already going through many doubts before she gotted Brainiact...and Clark could have just voiced to others that he wasn't sad about the break up but the way that they broke up instead.

[Jack-El49]

thomas, had KK been signed for more SV episodes, I have a strong feeling that what we'd be seeing IS Clark desperately trying to find a cure!
The show obviously can't have him search for a cure, turn back time, or anything else that might undo Lana's fate, simply because KK's not on the show anymore. But, I can't help but think we haven't seen the last of her. How are you going to feel should she return for an episode or two (or, God forbid more:rolleyes:) next season?


If he tells her to pack her things and get out of his life, I'd be thrilled. He wouldn't have to be that harsh and Clark wouldn't be but I'd love to see her come back if that's the sole reason she returns.

I would also like Ollie to tell Clark that they've found a cure for Lana's condition and he just shrugs his shoulders and says that's good and goes back to making copies.

[myankskent]

Matt, in the past Clark would have moved heaven and earth to find a cure for Lana.

Agreed. So not doing it now means that he doesn't really want to be with her, just like not moving heaven and earth to save lives/prevent future deaths now means that Clark doesn't care about the world. If that's the approach that you want to take, I don't agree with it but I guess I can understand it.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Thomas, that's hilarious. :lol:



Yeah, I'd have to agree with you there. I guess you can't expect to enter a relationship with someone who doesn't have a past. My stubborn refusal to let go of the mythos version of Clois is getting in the way of enjoying this version. :p

I hear you! Even here on SV though, I can see the magic between them, and to me there really isn't anything relationship wise on this show that compares to them!:D

[EternalTwilight]

Not when that person is only signed for 5 episodes! If she [KK/Lana] was still around or available, we'd have a VERY different story on our hands here.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. We hoped for closure when she returned and we got the "Arc of Shame". That's why I approach her return with caution. If she came back for one episode, what are the chances we'll get some real closure?

[Mickey_Bickey]

Agreed. So not doing it now means that he doesn't really want to be with her, just like not moving heaven and earth to save lives/prevent future deaths now means that Clark doesn't care about the world. If that's the approach that you want to take, I don't agree with it but I guess I can understand it.

That's not the approach I'm taking at all. I'm only saying that even in the past the writers would have written their story to revolve around Lana, and I for one am glad they're not.

This is how they should have written Clark in Power. He should have been the confident, strong and steadfast individual that we saw before Legion and after Requiem. I am happy the writers are having him move on, and by them not writing Clark focussing on a cure for Lana in every episode not only shows growth of character for Clark but also growth for the writers as well.

Bryan Q. Miller "gets it", and it's imperative that the producers never let such horrendous story telling ever happen again on this show. They need to hire writers who are familiar with Superman, not just Smallville.

[Jack-El49]

Agreed. So not doing it now means that he doesn't really want to be with her, just like not moving heaven and earth to save lives/prevent future deaths now means that Clark doesn't care about the world. If that's the approach that you want to take, I don't agree with it but I guess I can understand it.

I'm somewhere between the two of you on this issue. I think he's just weary of dealing with Lana, her drama, and all the crap that comes with being with her. I think that's why they need to move Clark and Lois along so that there is a clear distinction between the crap he had to deal with being attracted to and infatuated with Lana, and the ease with which it is to be in love with Lois.

Having a balless Clark who is afraid to speak his mind or express what he thinks or feels as it relates to a person of the opposite sex is just plain disappointing.

I predict that a moment will occur either at the end of this season or early in next season that will prove he's truly through with Lana and her machinations.

[myankskent]

Now, if he was truly that in love with her and passionate about their relationship he would be seeking a cure. We know that, even with Lana off screen.

The writers have purposely made Clark move on at this point, because they want to continue to progress his character. I don't know what the real story was behind those episodes, but I'm hoping that TW gives an interview this Spring/Summer and touches upon it. He was completely off in those episodes, and I never say that.

It was so refreshing to see TW on top of his game again in Hex! He was good in Infamous and Turbulence too, and the only difference I can see is the way they're writing his character (again).


See, this is what I don't understand with this argument here, Michele. Clark not using the ring/zatanna means that he is moving on from Lana and that he doesn't really want to be with her. That's a big positive for Clark, right? So then when Clark didn't use the ring/zatanna to save lives in the past/prevent future lives from being taken, why is this not being brought up as a big, fat negative for Clark? Doesn't this make him look extemely bad to just ignore everything when he has the ability to change so much? I mean, the guy is supposed to be the future Superman so he should be graded on more than just his ability to move on from Lana, IMO.

[Mickey_Bickey]

If he tells her to pack her things and get out of his life, I'd be thrilled. He wouldn't have to be that harsh and Clark wouldn't be but I'd love to see her come back if that's the sole reason she returns.

I would also like Ollie to tell Clark that they've found a cure for Lana's condition and he just shrugs his shoulders and says that's good and goes back to making copies.

I would love to see that as well, because that would finally give everyone the proper closure on the Clark and Lana relationship. I can't stand that this is still hovering like a black cloud over an otherwise good set of episodes.

[Jack-El49]

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. We hoped for closure when she returned and we got the "Arc of Shame". That's why I approach her return with caution. If she came back for one episode, what are the chances we'll get some real closure?

I guess it depends on who is calling the shots.

[Minela]

Bryan Q. Miller, does get it. I hope he writes a lot more episodes next season.

[melissan02]

But at some point though we have to accept what we see on screen vs real life politics.

And on screen we see a happy Clark who is not pining or searching for a cure for Lana. He's moving forward. This is the story we're being told. And it's part of SV canon until otherwise retconned.
And those words I bolded right there is the sole reason I'm being cautious with anything Clois we get from here on out!

[Mickey_Bickey]

See, this is what I don't understand here, Michele. Clark not using the ring/zatanna means that he is moving on from Lana and that he doesn't really want to be with her. That a big positive for Clark, right? So then when Clark didn't use the ring/zatanna to save lives in the past/prevent future lives from being taken, why is this not being brought up as a big, fat negative for Clark? Doesn't this make him look extemely bad to just ignore everything when he has the ability to change so much?

We're talking about a woman who in S5 he turned back time to save and inevitably "kill" his Father. So, does Clark really want to risk going back and "saving lives" only to risk more in the future? Remember one life for another. I don't think that's an option for him.

But, to show him wishing that Lana was cured from Zatanna or turning time back a month instead of 2 days is different than trading out a life.

I think, Matt, that the writers have made a wise choice, and I do agree that by showing Clark not wishing for a cure for Lana or calling around trying to find one shows he is moving on. So I agree with you that they're demonstrating it to the audience, but I just wanted to comment that I'm happy with that. I would hate to see Clark still bringing Lana up. I know her name comes up, but so far there's been no mope or angst!

I was very happy though to hear those words from him "cheers to that" which solidified this for me that he finally is moving on, and more importantly than that comment was the look he had in his eye when Lois walked away! That told me that he is falling for her, and he's not letting her go. There was a gleam in his eye that we haven't seen for a long time!

[Alania]

Agreed. So not doing it now means that he doesn't really want to be with her, just like not moving heaven and earth to save lives/prevent future deaths now means that Clark doesn't care about the world. If that's the approach that you want to take, I don't agree with it but I guess I can understand it.

I agree here. Honestly, i'm thrilled Clark's wish had nothing to do with love matter! Not everything in this man's life needs to be related to ship. Saying that because he did not reverse time to a point where lana was around or that he chose lana over Lois, since he made sure to arrive at the airport on time does not mean he moved on and is into Lois. The ring was solely to stop Linda and the wish was solely because he still sees his powers as a burden and not something terrific, so he wished for a life without the burden (well, not now anymore, Hex moved baby blues forward just like Turbulence!:D). Thank God this wish had nothing to do with Lois, then i would shout all around this site with this pushing ship thing, especially Lois and Clark, they keep insisting on doing! :mad:


I think I'd classify that last scene as Angst. Not heavy no future angst but there was a feeling of a missed opportunity there. Just adding some drama to the relationship. A scene that shows they had a moment where the chance to move forward was there and now that window closed. Doesn't mean there won’t be more windows open in the future. :)

NOOOO!!! Please!! No angst!! I was being sarcastic with my post, that's why i used three little blue icons. What a mess i've made! Lois moved on in that scene, she won't mope around him cause he's not ready for a relationship or because he stood her up. And she did for the first time what will become one of their strong points: space. Lois gives Clark all the space he needs, she doesn't demand more and she doesn't demand him telling her every single issue he has.

[supes0]

And those words I bolded right there is the sole reason I'm being cautious with anything Clois we get from here on out!

I am not a Smallville clois shipper. But it's going to happen no matter what I think..

For me, this has nothing to do with the romantic relationship between them. It has to do with Clark Kent and how he progresses.

My feeling is the story told on screen is what we've got. Real life politics do indeed influence what happens if KK agrees to guest star. However, what is Welling's role in this? None of us know what he asked for, did he stipulate control over Clark (within DC guidelines of course) going forward?

Do you think he enjoyed the P/R arc? If so, then if he gets more control and Lana returns, I'd be afraid. If not, and he asked for (and received) more control and Lana returns, I'd be less concerned.

That's what I'm trying to say. If we're going to worry about real life external politics, we need to understand the players and their positions on the issues.

[Jack-El49]

I would love to see that as well, because that would finally give everyone the proper closure on the Clark and Lana relationship. I can't stand that this is still hovering like a black cloud over an otherwise good set of episodes.

I don't think that is a surprise to anyone who is involved in the production of this show either. It makes the whole relationship that built from Episode 1 - 10 insignificant. Lois saying in Committed she loved him, him saying no one messes with Lois and Clark is insignificant, them almost kissing in Bride is insignificant. This was a big mistaken plan to stretch the Clois out another season becasue they knew the show would be renewed and TW would sign on for at least another season.

They are far too afraid of actually having to write new, interesting, and creative stories involving a couple in love. Rather, they'll plagarize 70 years of the same comic book and movie s#!t that is wholly unsatisfying and will border on angst.

[Mickey_Bickey]

I don't think that is a surprise to anyone who is involved in the production of this show either. It makes the whole relationship that built from Episode 1 - 10 insignificant. Lois saying in Committed she loved him, him saying no one messes with Lois and Clark is insignificant, them almost kissing in Bride is insignificant. This was a big mistaken plan to stretch the Clois out another season becasue they knew the show would be renewed and TW would sign on for at least another season.

They are far too afraid of actually having to write new, interesting, and creative stories involving a couple in love. Rather, they'll plagarize 70 years of the same comic book and movie s#!t that is wholly unsatisfying and will border on angst.

Oh, God! I hope you're wrong, Jack! I couldn't stand to see another angsty couple, especially one involving Lois Lane on this show! Let's hope they let BQM write quite a few of the Clois episodes!;)

It does feel that way, BTW that all those earlier episodes were meaningless after the Lana arc aired. Such a shame. They have to go back to the drawing board now, and that's not right for the characters or for the fans!

[myankskent]

We're talking about a woman who in S5 he turned back time to save and inevitably "kill" his Father. So, does Clark really want to risk going back and "saving lives" only to risk more in the future? Remember one life for another. I don't think that's an option for him.

But, to show him wishing that Lana was cured from Zatanna or turning time back a month instead of 2 days is different than trading out a life.


If turning back time means that for every person he saves, another one dies, why couldn't his wish be to save everyone who was hurt by Doomsday just like his wish could've been to cure Lana? Or he could've used the ring to turn back time and made sure that the fortress didn't die, since the fortress is something that would come in handy in the future for Clark's battle with Doomsday. That's the problem here with this argument, IMO. If it's a positive that he didn't use the ring/zatanna to cure Lana, then it should also be a negative that he didn't use the ring/zatanna to save lives otherwise there's no consistency to the argument. That's why I'm not putting much stock in the fact that Clark is not trying to find a cure because in the process of proving my point, there's no way for me to not cast Clark in a negative light as well. In this case, not saving the lives of people who have perished is the worse possible scenario for Clark. Far worse than not curing Lana. JMHO.

[Mickey_Bickey]

I am not a Smallville clois shipper. But it's going to happen no matter what I think..

For me, this has nothing to do with the romantic relationship between them. It has to do with Clark Kent and how he progresses.

My feeling is, the story told on screen is what we've got. Real life politics do indeed influence what happens if KK agrees to guest star. However, what is Welling's role in this? None of us know what he asked for, did he stipulate control over Clark (within DC guidelines of course) going forward?

Do you think he enjoyed the P/R arc? If so, then if he gets more control and Lana returns, I'd be afraid. If not, and he asked for (and received) more control and Lana returns, I'd be less concerned.

That's what I'm trying to say. If we're going to worry about real life external politics, we need to understand the players and their positions on the issues.

That's a good post! I have often thought that TW was not happy with that arc, because there was no passion in his acting at all! He was completely off unlike what we're seeing now!

I certainly hope that TW has control of his character, and that he stipulated that he would not look like a fool for the sake of another character no matter who it is. I cringed when I watched Power and Requiem. I especially was embarressed for TW at the end of Requiem, and it pained me to watch him have to act out that dreadful "mummy like grotesque" kiss scene! [shakes head at the very thought]

I would think that after those episodes, TW demanded control, and most likely he has it now!

[amberdawn]

And those words I bolded right there is the sole reason I'm being cautious with anything Clois we get from here on out!

Same.

[supes0]

Ithere's no way for me to not cast Clark in a negative light as well. .

This is the problem with P/R and Infamous. Clark is cast in a negative light no matter how you look at it.

How does Welling feel about this? Any speculation on if he would sign for more seasons without stipulations Clark would never be put in the AoS position again?

I'd like to hope Welling didn't like the way he looked on screen during P/R and leveraged more than cash when signing for 9. Because in that case, I wouldn't be so quick to believe a future return of Lana would mean Clark rushing back to her. It depends on the creative direction of Clark.

[Jack-El49]

And those words I bolded right there is the sole reason I'm being cautious with anything Clois we get from here on out!


Same.

Me too but for different reasons, I think. I believe that the AoS was a giant plot device to slow down Clois. They clearly have the ability to show a beautiful relationship building but they have no clue how to sustain it once they get there. So they throw in crap like the AoS, other love interests that pop up, reboots and memory loss as a way to avoid having to write creative stories that haven't already been part of 71 years of Superman lore.

I believe it's easier for these people to write stories using the same bait and switch, lead viewers on, never deliver what they promsie tactics to keep people watching hoping that eventually they will be rewarded.

PT Barnum is (incorrectly) credited with saying, "There's a sucker born every minute" but I think tptb believe it and if the past is any indication of the future, they still believe it.

[myankskent]

My feeling is the story told on screen is what we've got. Real life politics do indeed influence what happens if KK agrees to guest star. However, what is Welling's role in this? None of us know what he asked for, did he stipulate control over Clark (within DC guidelines of course) going forward?



To be honest, this is the year when you don't pull a Power arc if TW is bothered by it because you're trying to get TW to sign on for another season. TW could've told them to do things a certain way this season or else he would not return next season. Now, they have him signed for a season 9 so they could technically screw him over next year with more terrible arcs and there wouldn't be anything he could do about it since he's under contract, unless TPTB are going for a 10th season where this whole thing would get played out again.

[Mickey_Bickey]

If turning back time means that for every person he saves, another one dies, why couldn't his wish be to save everyone who was hurt by Doomsday just like his wish could've been to cure Lana? Or he could've used the ring to turn back time and made sure that the fortress didn't die, since the fortress is something that would come in handy in the future for Clark's battle with Doomsday. That's the problem here with this argument, IMO. If it's a positive that he didn't use the ring/zatanna to cure Lana, then it should also be a negative that he didn't use the ring/zatanna to save lives otherwise there's no consistency to the argument. JMHO.

Matt, my argument isn't weakened simply because I don't suggest for Clark to go back years and fix every little thing that's gone wrong in his entire life. I'm strictly talking and focussing on Lana here, and the events that transpired in the last month (Smallville time) of his life. What I'm saying is again, I'm excited to see that the writers have made a very wise choice by not having Clark wish (with Zatanna) for a cure for Lana and not trying to find a cure through phone calls, etc, or more importantly using the Legion ring to go back in time. I'm glad that didn't happen, and I'm glad to see Clark moving on, which obviously he's doing with a gleam in his eye and a realization that he's accepting his true feelings for Lois finally.

It shows that Clark is not focussing on Lana the way he was in earlier seasons, and that's a good thing. The writers did him no justice back then, and even with the Lana arc...worst piece of garbage ever produced on this show. Now, they finally have him and the show back on track with compelling episodes again.

You keep mentioning the Fortress. That's in Superman's future. Of course that gets rebuilt.;)

[supes0]

To be honest, this is the year when you don't pull a Power arc if TW is bothered by it because you're trying to get TW to sign on for another season. TW could've told them to do things a certain way this season or else he would not return next season.

I've wondered why he wouldn't leverage season 9 to stop P/R if he wasn't happy with it. However, when did they start to negotiate with him for 9?

P/R was filmed in November/ early December if I recall correctly? So the scripts were written in the fall (and he had to be aware of the direction) , was this before/during negotiations?



Now, they have him signed for a season 9 so they could technically screw him over next year with more terrible arcs and there wouldn't be anything he could do about it since he's under contract, unless TPTB are going for a 10th season where this whole thing would get played out again.

Why would he sign if he saw the scripts for P/R in the late fall (if he had any concerns) without making sure he had more control next season?

But the underlying question remains the same. We don't know yet if Welling is given producer control. IF he is , do you think a P/R like arc would happen again?

[Jack-El49]

Matt, my argument isn't weakened simply because I don't suggest for Clark to go back years and fix every little thing that's gone wrong in his entire life. I'm strictly talking and focussing on Lana here, and the events that transpired in the last month (Smallville time) of his life. What I'm saying is again, I'm excited to see that the writers have made a very wise choice by not having Clark wish (with Zatanna) for a cure for Lana and not trying to find a cure through phone calls, etc, or more importantly using the Legion ring to go back in time. I'm glad that didn't happen, and I'm glad to see Clark moving on, which obviously he's doing with a gleam in his eye and a realization that he's accepting his true feelings for Lois finally.

It shows that Clark is not focussing on Lana the way he was in earlier seasons, and that's a good thing. The writers did him no justice back then, and even with the Lana arc...worst piece of garbage ever produced on this show. Now, they finally have him and the show back on track with compelling episodes again.

You keep mentioning the Fortress. That's in Superman's future. Of course that gets rebuilt.;)

I think that was the original issue and I think you're right. I think his comment about "cheers to that" when Chloe said leave the past behind and move forward or something to that effect meant that he's ready to leave Lana and that drama behind. I just wish they wouldn't hint at it so much. Of course, if he said it outright just at that moment, everyone would be screaming "Lightswitch". So they have to drag it out a little to put some distance between the two events but they also need to avoid stringing it out because if that happens, they're going to lose ppl.

[liana]

I think that the Clark has accepted that he and Lana are not meant to be together. It has been a recurrent theme in their relationship for a long time. I think that both of them know that there is always something between them, most of the time, things that they let come between them, but it is always there, and they never fought it. It was never about them not loving each other, but about them not having enough faith in their love. Most of the time they were together, they were never partners in their relationship. They were always fighting their batles alone, and therefore, hurting each other deeply.

I think it says a lot the fact that Clark tried to convince Lana to stay, in spite of everything, and she refused to do so. It comes back to the root of their relationship: they never fought for it. They would go to extremes to save each other, but they wouldn't do the same to stay together. Clark would turn back time to save Lana's life, but not to stay with her. He would go on researching the internet in order to find a cure for her comma, but he wouldn't ask his friend to use his resources to try and find a way to fix her suit, or whatever needs to be done. They don't fight for their relationship, they never did, probably because either they don't believe it is worth fighting for, or they are not mature enough to do so, or they truly believe that, no matter how much they love each other, they are just not meant to be.

[SuperheroFan87]

ITA!:D That was actually some really good information you gave here about Batman's suit along with the other super heroes!

Thanks Michelle, that's the superhero geek in me!:lol::)

[workshyslacker]

Those videos especially the first one were hot! I can see what you mean about Bois, but I still have to say Clois is just a little bit better!:lol:


Take this Bois:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hJe1HpwJjc

Not crazy about the music, but it's an incredibly action packed Clois video! Lots of humor to it too!;):D


We'll have to discuss this more later. Our fellow posters' ears may burn. :D


Sorry guys, I have to weigh in on the Batman/SV topic for a minute. Now it is important to know that mythos Clark and SV Clark are two vastly seperate entities.

That being said, The Bat Embargo is a myth, a cover-up by Hollywood CEOs to suppress the real truth............and the real truth is:

Bruce Wayne would just simply emasculate SV Clark on levels that would be disturbing and uncomfortable to view, and after the horrid Clana arc............SV Clark just wouldn't stand a chance! That and the violence and gore factor would rise to levels not fit for television because SV's Clark would be receiving an @ss whuppin' every five minutes and he'd be a bloody, broken, unrecognizable pulp.

And Bruce would see "parts" of Lois that SV's Clark will never see, because 1. He won't make a damn move to ask her out. 2. Bruce WOULD OWN SV's Clark and the Clois embargo would be in effect to make room for BROIS!!!!:p

:rotfl:

Flames to the fire! Bring it!



I own that series...pretty unheard of (for a dude), but it was (and remains) one the best works I have ever seen on television. Colin Firth is awesome...but Mr. Collins steals the show!

Wow. I am impressed. Discerning and cultured. Do carry on.:D


Clark could've used the Legion ring to save the fortress. He could've had Zatanna resurrect the fortress. I'd argue that getting the fortress up and running could potentially save many lives because Clark could get the training that he needs to have a chance against Doomsday. This is my whole point regarding the Lana situation. If Clark not taking measures to cure Lana means that he doesn't really love her, then he doesn't really give a damn about the world either because there are tons of things that he could've done to either save the lives of people who have died in the past or to prevent more deaths from happening in the future. That's why I'm taking the approach where I've decided that it's just contrived writing all around and that these storylines are just left up in the air until TPTB decide to come back to them.

I see your point. This is why events in this show can be interpreted in so many different ways. And this is why there are so many different opinions. Clark's actions don't make sense in the context of how much he seemed to love Lana at the end of "Requiem", and that Legion Ring could have been used to accomplish so much. Just because power comes with responsibility doesn't mean that it could not be used wisely.



Now on to the real life issues....

Was Welling happy with the P/R arc? If reports are true, and he wasn't happy with his character season 6 & 7 because of how Clark was written, then what did he think of these 2 episodes?

Why did he sign for season 9? Did he ask for more creative control over his character? He obviously had leverage. How did he use it? He too had to know the door was open for Lana's return.

If Welling is a producer for next year, or even has creative control over his character, do you think a potential Lana appearance would play this way?


I'd love to know the answers to these questions. And I wish TW would give an interview. The impression I have is that TW cares about Clark's progression, and if he had creative control, perhaps a Lana return would just be as a friend. At least I hope so.



Having a balless Clark who is afraid to speak his mind or express what he thinks or feels as it relates to a person of the opposite sex is just plain disappointing.

I predict that a moment will occur either at the end of this season or early in next season that will prove he's truly through with Lana and her machinations.

I would like TPTB to come out of hiding and respond to a live audience, or a really good, probing intervew. I'd be first in line for that ice-breaker; "Why did you think the Lana arc was good for Clark's progression?"



I think it says a lot the fact that Clark tried to convince Lana to stay, in spite of everything, and she refused to do so. It comes back to the root of their relationship: they never fought for it. They would go to extremes to save each other, but they wouldn't do the same to stay together. Clark would turn back time to save Lana's life, but not to stay with her. He would go on researching the internet in order to find a cure for her comma, but he wouldn't ask his friend to use his resources to try and find a way to fix her suit, or whatever needs to be done. They don't fight for their relationship, they never did, probably because either they don't believe it is worth fighting for, or they are not mature enough to do so, or they truly believe that, no matter how much they love each other, they are just not meant to be.

In all fairness, one could say Lana loved Clark enough to let him go, and move on. Another could say she was the weak one, not Clark. Its true that they gave up too quickly, on both sides. And that's the difference between Clana and Clois. Superman/Clark never gives up on Lois in the comics. In some elseworlds, he moves on only when she dies. Ergo, by this comparison, in Clana, either one or both are "weak" or they never truly loved each other.


Thanks Michelle, that's the superhero geek in me!:lol::)

Always welcomed. I find it helpful when you correct me. I forgot it was Kevlar, not leather. Funny, I always imagined CB in leather. :p

[melissan02]

I think that was the original issue and I think you're right. I think his comment about "cheers to that" when Chloe said leave the past behind and move forward or something to that effect meant that he's ready to leave Lana and that drama behind. I just wish they wouldn't hint at it so much. Of course, if he said it outright just at that moment, everyone would be screaming "Lightswitch". So they have to drag it out a little to put some distance between the two events but they also need to avoid stringing it out because if that happens, they're going to lose ppl.I think they do need to drag it out, Jack. I agree however, that they don't need to string us [fans] along for very long...or they will lose people.
There's got to be some distance between what happened during the AoS and what's happening now w/ Clark/Clois. Everyone has his/her own ideas as to what amount of time is sufficient, so I won't go into that, but considering ED will only appear in two more episodes this season, IMO it's unrealistic to do anything really Clois-sy this season. And yes, that even means a kiss. (runs out to avoid being shot for my last sentence!):eek:

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I forgot it was Kevlar, not leather. Funny, I always imagined CB in leather. :pI think about that image often, Charlotte.;) In fact, I have a ginormous pic of CB in his leather jacket from TDK saved on my hard drive!:D
Ahhhhh, *sighs happily*

[jlbtjb316]

And I agree with this, which is another reason why Lana's "great love" for Clark falls apart for me. And why this storyline was so awful, from just about every direction. On one hand, you could make the arguement, as eas did, that Lana decided to acquire the suit because she felt like she needed it in order to be "equal" to Clark, so she could be with him. Which, if true, suggests that Lana doesn't really know Clark very well, and apparently doubts Clark's ability to love her as she is. Or, you can assert what I just quoted, that Lana had decided that that she would acquire the suit and use it, and whatever Clark thought about it was of no consequence to her whatsoever. Which suggests that Lana's desire for power, her "noble goal", was of much greater importance to her then Clark, and her supposed great love for him.

I realize that I should have clarified my feelings about why Lana wanted the suit. Lana knew that Clark loved her no matter what and was happy being with him even when she did not have powers, so I don't think she wanted the suit to be his "equal" so they could be together. I also saw no evidence that she wanted the suit to exact revenge on Lex. I think she decided to wear the suit before she came back because at that time she did not feel that she and Clark could be together, not because she wanted the suit more than she wanted Clark. In a sense she did what Clark had previously done to her - she made a decision affecting their relationship without discussing it with Clark. I think her decisions are debatable and that she should have gone back to talk to Clark about this, but I think she thought she was doing the right thing for Clark.

After she escaped from Lex's men last season she probably wanted to lay low for a while and stay off of Lex’s radar screen while she prepared herself to better resist such attacks in the future. Clark did not know that she had been kidnapped but thought that she left so that she would not hold him back. Perhaps after learning about all the good that Clark was doing, she felt that maybe Clark was better off without her. Even back in season 7 (in the episode Action I think) Lana expressed concern to Clark that she was holding him back from his destiny. I think she still loved Clark and wanted to be with him but felt like they couldn’t be together because Clark’s constant concern for her safety would hinder his work. I think Lana so believed in Clark and the great good that he could do for the world that she gave up what she wanted so that he could fulfill his destiny. I think she then tried to bury her feelings and focus on what to do with her life and maybe how she could help both Clark and the world - which led her to the Prometheus suit. I think they have shown that Lana has tried to find various ways to help people with her life, but I think her experience with Lex, Brainiac, Doomsday, etc. opened her eyes to a larger need that most people are not even aware of and that maybe she could use her life to help others in a way that she normally would not be able to and to help Clark by watching his back so to speak. Using it, she could keep the technology from being used for evil by Lex and could help make the world a better place.

When she came back for Chloe’s wedding I think it was her feelings for Clark that kept her from leaving again. I think it was after the events of Bulletproof when she learned that Clark still loved her and wanted to try to have a relationship with her that she began to hope that perhaps with the suit they might be able to be together and that Clark would be able to continue his work without worrying about her so much.

Even though KK does not plan to return and the writers I believe have used the kryptonite to effectively end the Clana relationship, it would be nice to maybe hear that she is still friends with Clark and Chloe and to hear about what she is up to.

[supes0]

I'd love to know the answers to these questions. And I wish TW would give an interview. The impression I have is that TW cares about Clark's progression, and if he had creative control, perhaps a Lana return would just be as a friend. At least I hope so.

Me too. Because when real life politics enters the equation, the views of those in control on how it plays out matter.

IF Welling has creative control over Clark's direction, I'd be a lot more confident with a Lana episode next season.

Clana wasn't the problem with P/R (even though it's not my favorite thing to watch), it was Clark. He haplessly stood around while events swirled around him. He wasn't proactive, he accepted without question Lana's actions which were bizarre to say the least. It's not that he forgave her, or even returned to her, it's that he didn't even notice how wrong what some of what she did was. It made him look like a brainless schmuck.



I would like TPTB to come out of hiding and respond to a live audience, or a really good, probing intervew. I'd be first in line for that ice-breaker; "Why did you think the Lana arc was good for Clark's progression?"

I'd love them to come to a comic con and answer questions. But you know there would be a stampede to the mic to vent about the P/R debacle. :lol:



In all fairness, one could say Lana loved Clark enough to let him go, and move on. Another could say she was the weak one, not Clark. Its true that they gave up too quickly, on both sides.

This was the problem, it was so fast. Considering all the other obstacles these characters have overcome, it makes no sense they would give up right away.

The story we're seeing unfold on screen is Clark isn't suffering any ill affects, he's moving forward "faster than a speeding bullet".

Granted, this is due to real life issues, but then it goes back to, if Welling has creative control, would Clark behave in such a hapless manner in the future?

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IMO it's unrealistic to do anything really Clois-sy this season. And yes, that even means a kiss.

Absolutely. I don't want to see a kiss, I don't want any declarations of any kind. It's too soon.

[melissan02]

Absolutely. I don't want to see a kiss, I don't want any declarations of any kind. It's too soon.
I believe it is too. But I'm tired of getting flogged for stating my views:rolleyes:, so....I'm over and out.:\

[Alania]

I think they do need to drag it out, Jack. I agree however, that they don't need to string us [fans] along for very long...or they will lose people.
There's got to be some distance between what happened during the AoS and what's happening now w/ Clark/Clois. Everyone has his/her own ideas as to what amount of time is sufficient, so I won't go into that, but considering ED will only appear in two more episodes this season, IMO it's unrealistic to do anything really Clois-sy this season. And yes, that even means a kiss. (runs out to avoid being shot for my last sentence!):eek:



I won't shoot you, ITA on all counts.


I believe it is too. But I'm tired of getting flogged for stating my views:rolleyes:, so....I'm over and out.:\

HEY!!! Don't you dare leave me alone in this frustrated clois boat, Mel!!!!!! Remember what Jack said, we're all on the same team, just playing in different positions. I was feeling very much like an outsider for thinking stuff like looks and jealousy at this point of the season was pushing things and very out of place, but what can i do if this is the way i see things?:\ I didn't want anything cloisy after clana, i didn't want 'us' ins Lois and Clark, just 'he and she' and it frustrated me to see them trying pick up from where they left so soon :\ Anyway, i'm out for lunch now, later!

[melissan02]

I won't shoot you, ITA on all counts.



HEY!!! Don't you dare leave me alone in this frustrated clois boat, Mel!!!!!! Remember what Jack said, we're all on the same team, just playing in different positions. I was feeling very much like an outsider for thinking stuff like looks and jealousy at this point of the season was pushing things and very out of place, but what can i do if this is the way i see things?:\ I didn't want anything cloisy after clana, i didn't want 'us' ins Lois and Clark, just 'he and she' and it frustrated me to see them trying pick up from where they left so soon :\ Anyway, i'm out for lunch now, later!I'm afraid right now in regards to Clois I'm a spectator.:( Apparently I got booted from the team! Whatev!:rolleyes:

[workshyslacker]

I won't shoot you, ITA on all counts.



HEY!!! Don't you dare leave me alone in this frustrated clois boat, Mel!!!!!! Remember what Jack said, we're all on the same team, just playing in different positions. I was feeling very much like an outsider for thinking stuff like looks and jealousy at this point of the season was pushing things and very out of place, but what can i do if this is the way i see things?:\ I didn't want anything cloisy after clana, i didn't want 'us' ins Lois and Clark, just 'he and she' and it frustrated me to see them trying pick up from where they left so soon :\ Anyway, i'm out for lunch now, later!


I'm afraid right now in regards to Clois I'm a spectator.:( Apparently I got booted from the team! Whatev!:rolleyes:

I think we're all passionate about Clois, but we just have differing views on how it should be handled. At the end of the day this is just a discussion board, and it should be fun. It's only a tv show after all. And I don't think anyone is an outsider. No view on this board about Clois is exactly the same, even amongst Cloisers. We have opinions, but that's because we care about this 'ship.

[myankskent]

I've wondered why he wouldn't leverage season 9 to stop P/R if he wasn't happy with it. However, when did they start to negotiate with him for 9?


It's possible that TW didn't have a problem with the arc. I really don't know where his head is at with Smallville anymore because he never does any interviews. Obviously he doesn't feel that Smallville should end, something that I can't say the same about, since he signed another contract. Either that, or he doesn't care how long Smallville goes or what TPTB do as long as he keeps getting paid a lot of money. As for when they started negotiating with TW, I would have to assume that there were talks going on fairly early in the filming of season 8.



P/R was filmed in November/ early December if I recall correctly? So the scripts were written in the fall (and he had to be aware of the direction) , was this before/during negotiations?


At the very least, it was probably during the negotiations because we got word around that time that things were moving in a positive direction to get TW back for a 9th season.




Why would he sign if he saw the scripts for P/R in the late fall (if he had any concerns) without making sure he had more control next season?


Well, that's the thing. What control is TW going to have? He's not a writer and let's face it, he's a busy guy. He appears in every single episode and has the most screentime by far out of everyone on the show. I just don't see TW having too much creative control over his character. I'm sure he has some input, like everyone else, but in terms of making the big decisions for where certain arcs go? I believe that is TPTB's decision and will probably remain that way.

[supes0]

Well, that's the thing. What control is TW going to have?

This is the question. If they give him a producer role, he becomes one of tptb, albeit probably not as much control, but more than he would otherwise have.

And if he was just fine with the P/R arc then you're right, next season could bring more of the same, Lana or no Lana.

I'd need to understand where Welling stands on the AoS and Clark's regression, and how much control he has before I would believe one way or another Lana's return would be bad for Clark (not worrying about shipping).

[Violet-Shadow]

I've been thinking about this...and I believe that Clark is falling in love with Lois but I also believe he always has been. He's more cognizant of it now than in the past though. I keep thinking about Aqua, how he was jealous of A.C. (at least it seemed that he was - he certainly didn't like the thought of Lois being with A.C.). And there have also been other guys that Lois dated that Clark acted strange around - including Oliver, at first. I was also thinking about Crimson, when Clark's face goes all gooey when Lois pulls his arms around her. Then there's Apocalypse, when he rescues AU Lois and gives her this "look." It's always been there, IMO, but it's starting to come into the forefront of his heart and mind now. That being stated, I think he's more confused than ever. Lana came back and he almost immediately jumped into a relationship with her. He thought he was still in love with her...and maybe a part of him was. I think that in the remainder of the Clois episodes we will still see Clark struggling with what he feels for Lois. I hope he doesn't tell her he loves her this season because I think it's too soon.

Anyway, that's just my two cents and maybe another poster already brought up some of these points but I haven't been staying on top of this discussion very well.

[workshyslacker]

Me too. Because when real life politics enters the equation, the views of those in control on how it plays out matter.

IF Welling has creative control over Clark's direction, I'd be a lot more confident with a Lana episode next season.

Clana wasn't the problem with P/R (even though it's not my favorite thing to watch), it was Clark. He haplessly stood around while events swirled around him. He wasn't proactive, he accepted without question Lana's actions which were bizarre to say the least. It's not that he forgave her, or even returned to her, it's that he didn't even notice how wrong what some of what she did was. It made him look like a brainless schmuck.


IA. There were so many things wrong with P/R, and it wasn't just Lana, its the effect she has on Clark that I take such umbrage with. Fingers crossed she's gone so all's right, or will be right again.




I'd love them to come to a comic con and answer questions. But you know there would be a stampede to the mic to vent about the P/R debacle. :lol:
I have spikes in my running shoes.:p



The story we're seeing unfold on screen is Clark isn't suffering any ill affects, he's moving forward "faster than a speeding bullet".

Granted, this is due to real life issues, but then it goes back to, if Welling has creative control, would Clark behave in such a hapless manner in the future?
This stop/start issue is because TPTB don't have a plan. They don't know when to call it a day, and have a reasonable story arc. If they'd stuck with the season 5 plan, this may have gone down as one of the best series of Superman. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful (well, I was at the time) for the Clois we had, but I can also see the bigger picture.



Absolutely. I don't want to see a kiss, I don't want any declarations of any kind. It's too soon.No smooches for Clark. :p


It's possible that TW didn't have a problem with the arc. I really don't know where his head is at with Smallville anymore because he never does any interviews. Obviously he doesn't feel that Smallville should end, something that I can't say the same about, since he signed another contract. Either that, or he doesn't care how long Smallville goes or what TPTB do as long as he keeps getting paid a lot of money. As for when they started negotiating with TW, I would have to assume that there were talks going on fairly early in the filming of season 8.


It all depends on whether he'll have any creative control. The problem is, we won't know until a source confirms or denies this, or the proof of the pudding will be when we see how season 9 turns out.



Well, that's the thing. What control is TW going to have? He's not a writer and let's face it, he's a busy guy. He appears in every single episode and has the most screentime by far out of everyone on the show. I just don't see TW having too much creative control over his character. I'm sure he has some input, like everyone else, but in terms of making the big decisions for where certain arcs go? I believe that is TPTB's decision and will probably remain that way.How much control does one writer have anyway? I have no idea whether one writes it and then it gets debated, then revised many, many times. I'd really like to know what they promised him just to keep him. The negotiations went on for an awful long time.

[melissan02]

No smooches for Clark. :p



That's right!:p Not this season! Besides, he got plenty of "honey" out of Lana's "pot" while she was around!:rolleyes::p

[workshyslacker]

I've been thinking about this...and I believe that Clark is falling in love with Lois but I also believe he always has been. He's more cognizant of it now than in the past though. I keep thinking about Aqua, how he was jealous of A.C. (at least it seemed that he was - he certainly didn't like the thought of Lois being with A.C.). And there have also been other guys that Lois dated that Clark acted strange around - including Oliver, at first. I was also thinking about Crimson, when Clark's face goes all gooey when Lois pulls his arms around her. Then there's Apocalypse, when he rescues AU Lois and gives her this "look." It's always been there, IMO, but it's starting to come into the forefront of his heart and mind now. That being stated, I think he's more confused than ever. Lana came back and he almost immediately jumped into a relationship with her. He thought he was still in love with her...and maybe a part of him was. I think that in the remainder of the Clois episodes we will still see Clark struggling with what he feels for Lois. I hope he doesn't tell her he loves her this season because I think it's too soon.


IA. Clark should sort out his own feelings then make a play for our very own Miss Lane... perhaps next season. :p


That's right!:p Not this season! Besides, he got plenty of "honey" out of Lana's "pot" while she was around!:rolleyes::p

:rotfl:

[supes0]

This stop/start issue is becasue TPTB don't have a plan. They don't know when to call it a day, and have a reasonable story arc. If they'd stuck with the season 5 plan

Agreed. MHO, they lost their way in Season 3. I thought they found it again Season 8 but then, of course, enter the AoS.

I am a fickle SV viewer. I've come back forth to the show many times over the years. I've caught up on many of the shows I missed over the years, but not all. I quit for a lot of season 7 because I just couldn't stand watching Clark stall like that.

And I'll be honest, I was ready to call it a day (yet again! My husband is sick of listening to me yell at the TV on Thursday nights) after P/R. Hex put me in the cautiously continuing column.



The problem is, we won't know until a source confirms or denies this, or the proof of the pudding will be when we see how season 9 turns out.

True. We won't know until it all actually unfolds.

In this moment, on screen, Hex showed me there is a path out of the AoS wilderness. Now will they take it without hideous regressive arcs? I don't know. I'm taking it one episode at a time.

[workshyslacker]

Agreed. MHO, they lost their way in Season 3. I thought they found it again Season 8 but then, of course, enter the AoS.

I am a fickle SV viewer. I've come back forth to the show many times over the years. I've caught up on many of the shows I missed over the years, but not all. I quit for a lot of season 7 because I just couldn't stand watching Clark stall like that.

And I'll be honest, I was ready to call it a day (yet again! My husband is sick of listening to me yell at the TV on Thursday nights) after P/R. Hex put me in the cautiously continuing column.

True. We won't know until it all actually unfolds.

In this moment, on screen, Hex showed me there is a path out of the AoS wilderness. Now will they take it without hideous regressive arcs? I don't know. I'm taking it one episode at a time.


Yeah, I'm as fickle as the next person. I watched religiously till end of season two, then dipped in and out, realised nothing ever changed... then continuously since season 6, thinking it would end soon.

I've yelled at the screen and switched off in disgust a few times, and thrown my shoes..so I can relate to that:p

[Alania]

I realize that I should have clarified my feelings about why Lana wanted the suit. Lana knew that Clark loved her no matter what and was happy being with him even when she did not have powers, so I don't think she wanted the suit to be his "equal" so they could be together. I also saw no evidence that she wanted the suit to exact revenge on Lex. I think she decided to wear the suit before she came back because at that time she did not feel that she and Clark could be together, not because she wanted the suit more than she wanted Clark. In a sense she did what Clark had previously done to her - she made a decision affecting their relationship without discussing it with Clark. I think her decisions are debatable and that she should have gone back to talk to Clark about this, but I think she thought she was doing the right thing for Clark.

After she escaped from Lex's men last season she probably wanted to lay low for a while and stay off of Lex’s radar screen while she prepared herself to better resist such attacks in the future. Clark did not know that she had been kidnapped but thought that she left so that she would not hold him back. Perhaps after learning about all the good that Clark was doing, she felt that maybe Clark was better off without her. Even back in season 7 (in the episode Action I think) Lana expressed concern to Clark that she was holding him back from his destiny. I think she still loved Clark and wanted to be with him but felt like they couldn’t be together because Clark’s constant concern for her safety would hinder his work. I think Lana so believed in Clark and the great good that he could do for the world that she gave up what she wanted so that he could fulfill his destiny. I think she then tried to bury her feelings and focus on what to do with her life and maybe how she could help both Clark and the world - which led her to the Prometheus suit. I think they have shown that Lana has tried to find various ways to help people with her life, but I think her experience with Lex, Brainiac, Doomsday, etc. opened her eyes to a larger need that most people are not even aware of and that maybe she could use her life to help others in a way that she normally would not be able to and to help Clark by watching his back so to speak. Using it, she could keep the technology from being used for evil by Lex and could help make the world a better place.

If you're saying Lana put on the suit solely for the greater good, not, in any way, out of revenge on Lex or an attempt to be Clark's equal, then you're equalizing her to Clark Kent/Superman; sorry, but we can't take u seriously we u do such matching.


When she came back for Chloe’s wedding I think it was her feelings for Clark that kept her from leaving again. I think it was after the events of Bulletproof when she learned that Clark still loved her and wanted to try to have a relationship with her that she began to hope that perhaps with the suit they might be able to be together and that Clark would be able to continue his work without worrying about her so much.

There, attempt to be Clark's equal and complex of inferiority.


I think we're all passionate about Clois, but we just have differing views on how it should be handled. At the end of the day this is just a discussion board, and it should be fun. It's only a tv show after all. And I don't think anyone is an outsider. No view on this board about Clois is exactly the same, even amongst Cloisers. We have opinions, but that's because we care about this 'ship.

It's not just a TV show, it's Smallville:p, Charlotte! That's why we're all here, we're die hard fans and we take this show very seriously!



No smooches for Clark. :p

That's right, no smooch!!!!!!!!!!!:cool: Inside the phone booth, just change into red and blue, no taking Lois there!!!!!:p

[jlbtjb316]

If you're saying Lana put on the suit solely for the greater good, not, in any way, out of revenge on Lex or an attempt to be Clark's equal, then you're equalizing her to Clark Kent/Superman; sorry, but we can't take u seriously we u do such matching.



There, attempt to be Clark's equal and complex of inferiority.


After reading through many of these threads, I realize that my opinions on the Lana arc are in the minority, and that is OK. I do not expect to change anyone's opinion but am just giving an alternate viewpoint. I was not trying to imply that she is equal to Clark Kent / Superman, just that I did not see in her last arc that she decided to wear the suit out of some inferiority complex or to exact revenge on Lex. She obviously does not have as many powers as Clark, will not have the influence that he has and will likely not live as long. Having said that, I don't have problem with others on the show acting heroically or for the greater good. If Clark influences others to do good, I don't think it steals his thunder or makes him less unique or less heroic.

As I have said before in other threads, I would not have gone the route of giving Lana powers if I was one of the writers, but given that they did, I don't think that her using the technology to help people means that she is trying to be Clark's equal or that she has an inferiority complex. Given all that Lana has been through in the last few seasons, I am sure that she is tired of being victimized, possessed, kidnapped, etc. Having the suit would really help in that regard, and while it is possible that this could have influenced her decision, I don't think that was her main reason for trying to use the technology. She and others repeatedly stated her intent and desire to keep the technology out of the hands of a madman and to use the suit to do good in this world. It's true that she could have destroyed the suit, but maybe she didn't want technology that could be used to help so many people to be destroyed, and she was willing to take the risk to do that. I don't think she did this for Clark. She did it because it is how she wanted to help the world. This doesn't make her a saint or more or less noble than anyone else. It was simply her decision on what to do with her life. I do wish that the writers would have done a better job during the Lana arc to make her motivations and intentions clear.

Throughout the show, Lana has shown a desire to help others. With the suit she would be able to help people on a larger scale than she normally would be able to. Given what she knows now about Lex, about the existence of aliens and about the terrible enemies facing Clark (Brainiac, Doomsday, etc.) maybe she also wanted to be more of a direct help to Clark by being able to watch his back so to speak. I don't think that this implies that she feels inferior without the suit. In some ways it is like those who join the military special forces or aspire to high political offices or serve as police officers and firefighters. They could do a great deal of good as average citizens, but they can also serve in a greater capacity by aspiring to these careers. Just because they seek these careers does not mean that they feel inferior as regular citizens or that they are trying to be equal to someone else serving in those fields. Depending on the type of career that they choose and the dangers they will face, they train and prepare and arm themselves as necessary. I think Lana had the opportunity to enhance her ability to do good and was willing to endure the pain and sacrifices that would be necessary. When she told Clark that they were "equals" I don't believe she meant that they were equal in every way, just that they were both invulnerable to pain and physical harm and could now share their lives in a more intimate way than would normally be possible.

I have enjoyed reading everyone's point of view as it enriches my own viewing of the show.

[Jack-El49]

I'm afraid right now in regards to Clois I'm a spectator.:( Apparently I got booted from the team! Whatev!:rolleyes:

Who booted you from the team? *looks around, scowling*

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I thought they found it again Season 8 but then, of course, enter the AoS. In this moment, on screen, Hex showed me there is a path out of the AoS wilderness. Now will they take it without hideous regressive arcs? I don't know. I'm taking it one episode at a time.


Me too - that is exactly how I feel. My concern is regression through stall tactics that have been so overused in 7 years of Clana that if I even sniff the Clana BS starting, I'm not watching and I'm writing Fanfics and sending insulting letters to the producers.:)

[SVrockschar89]

Clark is defo getting there, his feelings for her are bubbling to the surface and they are getting harder to try and ignore, slowly but surely he's falling for Lois hard and soon he'll get to the point of no return, where Lois Lane is his whole world :D:cool:

[loislanechick]

Well, Clark already loves lois of course, she's been his friend for so long..now his feelings are more than just "friendly" and he's starting to realize that, and of course he tries to deny it because he's afraid..who can blame him after the whole clana disaster? But our Clarky will definitely fall hard for Lois and he and Lo will live happily ever after :)

[Faby]

He is getting there....he framed her rules, I mean that is just a sign of strong affection and admiration. I still don't think that he is where Lois is at, but he is starting to realize it. Besides after the lana fiasco who can blame him......We need to wait a little, I don't want it to seem like Lois is the rebound girl because she is the one and only one for him......Go Lois

[ox007]

I'm afraid right now in regards to Clois I'm a spectator.:( Apparently I got booted from the team! Whatev!:rolleyes:

You're just saying that because some of the posters have avatars only with boots right ;) :p

Back to the topic - I think Clark was in love with Lois from season 4 episode one!! :rotfl:

Oh bro I'm kidding again sorry! :) but he's getting there IMO and please do not even remind me of AoS, been there talked about it, it's a closed book, now a new book opens: Lolo and CK!

[lrog127]

I say it everywhere, one of the constant in Clark's character is : he is slow:D
If there is an adjective for this guy (except his magic, stellar and divine's behaviour:p)it is for sure this one. SLOW:lol:;)

Quote from Lineage:
Martha- "How can be as fast as lightning and as slow as molassas all at the same time?"
Clark- "It's even a mystery to me, mom."

somethin' like that:D

[Simba_Muffy]

do you think that at this point in the story, that clark kent loves ms lois lane?
Yes, he loves
He loves a little (getting there)...
No he doesn't

He was not in love with Lois at the time, he was falling for her. I'm glad they didn't rush it so soon after that demon known as Clana. He has always had feelings for her, but he was not in love with her, he was in love with Lana at the time. During S9, he was no longer denying it, he admitted it, and he took it there, but both were still afraid of getting hurt. Now in S10. Oh yes he's in love her and vise versa. They're in it until the end.