Clark's feelings for Lois delved into (FINALLY)!

[davidbrenton]

For the first time, we got a look at Clark's "hidden" feelings for Lois. It's almost as if he's in denial of them from himself. He cherises stuff she's given him, looks at her fondily like it's a natural, everyday thing.

I loved the fact we finally got underneath Clark to peer into his real infatuation/admiration of Lois Lane.

It was not lightswitch for me. It's an Ah HA! type moment where I'm shouting, I KNEW IT!

It really worked for me.

How do you feel?

[Aries83]

I just posted this in another thread, but I guess I could post it here since this could be a segue to talk about his wish. When she told him about granting wishes, I immediately thought that he wished to find true love, meaning that he wished for Lois.

[Carolina87]

^^^ that would have been pretty cool to watched. I didn't even think about sometime like that.

[Kschreck]

It's about time that Clark "notices" Lois.

[davidbrenton]

I just posted this in another thread, but I guess I could post it here since this could be a segue to talk about his wish. When she told him about granting wishes, I immediately thought that he wished to find true love, meaning that he wished for Lois.

Hmmm...that's interesting. I enjoyed how once he was made a simple reporter, his "lovestruck" eyes were suddenly back and full on with Lois.

[thehenry89]

about time

[gilliang]

About time indeed.

[BadToad]

I think it was handled pretty well. I think the reality is that its hard to be "perfect" after some of the eps we got this season. But bearing that in mind, I think this episode provided a bit of clarity on where Clark is coming from, and that was very much needed. I think the episode also made it clear that he's just not ready for another big leap into love, and thats the way it should be. I think this episode manage to slow down Clois, and put it in a good place to develop in a more organic way in S9.

[zorasuperman]

yea thats what I was kind of hoping too that he could wish to be with someone a mate?
thats what even maxima said that he wanted a mate badly or something along those lines

[madcatlady]

I think the point of this show being a young Clark developing into Superman would include feelings for Lois, but his being a hero is much more important and ultimately his priority. "Hex" balanced that out pretty well.

[melissan02]

Clark didn't verbalize diddly tonight!! Not even to Chloe for cryin' out loud!!!!:rolleyes:
Sorry folks, but he's got to open that mouth of his and SPEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cygnusx1]

i thought it was interesting to see clarks feelings for lois through the eyes of chloe when they were under the spell because they were the real feelings. then we came back to reality and when the subject was brought up over bagels, clark does what he does best which is change the subject.

[davidbrenton]

Whether you like it or not, Lois Lane is a part of your life now. And, considering the non-stop PuppyDog eyes you give her, I don't think you mind at all.

Love it.

[bobby1984]

i think he is just so worried about a realtionship and things hav egooten so big in his life and with al the past things init he is so proned to beind weiry and cautious of letting someone in that it is almost natural to and he as to be 100% sure to let them in and after lana doesnt know if he ever can, but i think he is finally realizing them and thinks he could possible open though and i hope so

[-Nora-]

Clark didn't verbalize diddly tonight!! Not even to Chloe for cryin' out loud!!!!:rolleyes:
Sorry folks, but he's got to open that mouth of his and SPEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Er...did you SEE his look when Lois told him she was going on a date?

[melissan02]

i thought it was interesting to see clarks feelings for lois through the eyes of chloe when they were under the spell because they were the real feelings. then we came back to reality and when the subject was brought up over bagels, clark does what he does best which is change the subject.

Exactly!! He didn't verbalize anything!:mad: I would have thought if anybody, he would have opened up a tad to Chloe, but he didn't!! Just wanted to shove that bagel in his mouth!!!:mad:

[LovelyLoisLane]

I think it was handled pretty well. I think the reality is that its hard to be "perfect" after some of the eps we got this season. But bearing that in mind, I think this episode provided a bit of clarity on where Clark is coming from, and that was very much needed. I think the episode also made it clear that he's just not ready for another big leap into love, and thats the way it should be. I think this episode manage to slow down Clois, and put it in a good place to develop in a more organic way in S9.

I thought so too, and I'm really glad to hear 'your' point of view on this, I've been missing you on the boards. ;)

I also think that it is GREAT that we are seeing Clark's side of things now and the ease in which he has adapted to his new life at the Planet, as well as his budding feelings for Lois. Seeing this type of development after the P/R disaster is just refreshing. I was very happy with Clark this episode.

Also I'd say that it is refreshing that Lois doesn't emasculate Clark. He trades jabs back and forth with her and gives as good as he gets, but then when he does start having feelings for her (which he is now) he can make that :( face when she says she has a date but he doesn't angst over it too much. He is very adult about the whole thing, minus his being in denial but that doesn't make one immature. It just means you are cautious and I agree with Chloe totally that Clark may not want to hurt Lois but he also doesn't want to jump into a relationship and get hurt himself.

I think it is wise he is being cautious AND the bonus is, it makes it clear that Lois isn't a rebound.

[cygnusx1]

Er...did you SEE his look when Lois told him she was going on a date?

well as lois stated earlier, he has a terrible poker face. the chase is on

[superspider02]

Yea its nice how the lois and clark relationship is developing this year. So much better then how lana and clark was mishandled.

[LovelyLoisLane]

Whether you like it or not, Lois Lane is a part of your life now. And, considering the non-stop PuppyDog eyes you give her, I don't think you mind at all.

Love it.


And she TOLD Lois about the framed rules. Awww, that was cute as heck! :o

[melissan02]

Whether you like it or not, Lois Lane is a part of your life now. And, considering the non-stop PuppyDog eyes you give her, I don't think you mind at all.

Love it.

Yeah, but who was talking there?:rolleyes: Yep, that's right, CHLOE!! Not Clark, Chloe! AND, he didn't respond----verbally, that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:\

[davidbrenton]

Yeah, but who was talking there?:rolleyes: Yep, that's right, CHLOE!! Not Clark, Chloe! AND, he didn't respond----verbally, that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:\

It doesn't matter. We actually got to see his feelings for Lois through Chloe's eyes. I'll take it. We've got plenty of time for Clark to speak about it, and I'm very patient considering we've got another 24 episodes with LOIS (Crosses fingers)!1

[herolee10]

Clark's never been good with really expressing on how he feels for a woman romantically. It's only been through stressful situations that he's been able to gain the courage to admit to someone that he cares about them in ways that exceed that platonic level.

[Dyanara]

I think its cute. I recall in the Superman movies that neither Clark nor Superman said they had feelings for Lois it was just there and we were suppose to see it. This relationship between the two of them isnt going to reach its zenith until they are in their mid to late 20's. So there is no rush for me to hear him say, oh I am so deeply and truly in love with her, yet.

[LovelyLoisLane]

Actions and facial expressions speak louder than words ;) Well, at least in this case.

Especially since I'm pretty sure Clark’s in some form of denial, not totally because I think he has realized enough to be cautious about it.

Now that we are delving into romantic territory, as opposed to harmless flirting, we can't have light and fun moments ALL the time, there is some level of angst that will occur, BUT I am very happy to see that it isn’t overdone. There can still some fun and light moments to the relationship while still making it meaningful.

That was something I think was missing from Clark's relationship with Lana. For me anyway it was hard to understand how they'd have fun on dates because everything was so 'serious' and the few moments we did get seemed to not fit well because as a rule Clana was more often a dramatic relationship and less fun. Of course that's just my opinion.

But here Clark can have those serious moments with Lois, dramatic moments, but then have these fun moments too where it is clear he enjoys hanging around with Lois. To me, I can see how these two people would be on a date in the near future, having fun and cracking wise with each other.

[herolee10]

Actions and facial expressions speak louder than words ;) Well, at least in this case.

Especially since I'm pretty sure Clark’s in some form of denial, not totally because I think he has realized enough to be cautious about it.

Now that we are delving into romantic territory, as opposed to harmless flirting, we can't have light and fun moments ALL the time, there is some level of angst that will occur, BUT I am very happy to see that it isn’t overdone. There can still some fun and light moments to the relationship while still making it meaningful.

That was something I think was missing from Clark's relationship with Lana. For me anyway it was hard to understand how they'd have fun on dates because everything was so 'serious' and the few moments we did get seemed to not fit well because as a rule Clana was more often a dramatic relationship and less fun. Of course that's just my opinion.

But here Clark can have those serious moments with Lois, dramatic moments, but then have these fun moments too where it is clear he enjoys hanging around with Lois. To me, I can see how these two people would be on a date in the near future, having fun and cracking wise with each other.


ITA

also..

I think this episode really proved that the only things that are holding Clark back from acting on his feelings about Lois and doing something to pursue it with her are..

His responsibilities as a hero.

I honestly think that Lana isn't a issue anymore in blocking why Clark hasn't done something about his growing feelings.

[melissan02]

It doesn't matter. We actually got to see his feelings for Lois through Chloe's eyes. I'll take it. We've got plenty of time for Clark to speak about it, and I'm very patient considering we've got another 24 episodes with LOIS (Crosses fingers)!1

What I saw just fell flat for me.:\ Sorry, but I thought his interest in her was better portrayed in Bride.

[Clois86]

I think it was handled pretty well. I think the reality is that its hard to be "perfect" after some of the eps we got this season. But bearing that in mind, I think this episode provided a bit of clarity on where Clark is coming from, and that was very much needed. I think the episode also made it clear that he's just not ready for another big leap into love, and thats the way it should be. I think this episode manage to slow down Clois, and put it in a good place to develop in a more organic way in S9.
Great Post! The last scene was perfect, Clark is now the pursuer but not ready for a serious relationship as previously stated. Lois' reaction to the "blew me off for coffee" was enlightening, because her feelings for Clark are still there. I can't wait to see how the Clois relationship takes fool flight!

[kelly1142]

I actually thought the way they did it, considering everything that's gone on with the Lana stuff and then Infamous, was really quite clever.

Clark didn't have to say anything. His actions spoke volumes.

The little touches that show that he loves her, even if he is terrified.

The framed rules.
The 6 phone calls he acknowledged from the previous night.
The knowing her routine to the letter.
The 'constant puppy dog eyes'.
His reaction to her date, and wanting to have a reason to interrupt it.

I also thought it was telling that Clark could tell something was off pretty quickly. He obviously didn't know what (and who would suspect what the reason actually was), but he noticed the things that weren't 'normal' for her right away. To me, that's just another hint that his feelings for Lois run deep.

[a4g90]

I actually thought the way they did it, considering everything that's gone on with the Lana stuff and then Infamous, was really quite clever.

Clark didn't have to say anything. His actions spoke volumes.

The little touches that show that he loves her, even if he is terrified.

The framed rules.
The 6 phone calls he acknowledged from the previous night.
The knowing her routine to the letter.
The 'constant puppy dog eyes'.
His reaction to her date, and wanting to have a reason to interrupt it.

I also thought it was telling that Clark could tell something was off pretty quickly. He obviously didn't know what (and who would suspect what the reason actually was), but he noticed the things that weren't 'normal' for her right away. To me, that's just another hint that his feelings for Lois run deep.

QFT!

[melissan02]

Great Post! The last scene was perfect, Clark is now the pursuer but not ready for a serious relationship as previously stated. Lois' reaction to the "blew me off for coffee" was enlightening, because her feelings for Clark are still there. I can't wait to see how the Clois relationship takes fool flight!
:rotfl:
Sorry, but I couldn't help but laugh at this typo, as I think it's fitting to the Clois we'll be given on SV! And, Clark's actual "up, up, and away"!!!:p:lol:

[tbird4u]

ITA

also..

I think this episode really proved that the only things that are holding Clark back from acting on his feelings about Lois and doing something to pursue it with her are..

His responsibilities as a hero.

I honestly think that Lana isn't a issue anymore in blocking why Clark hasn't done something about his growing feelings.

Was it just me or did he complete his closure at the end when chloe said gotta leave the past behind us, and he said Ill toast to that or somethin' along those lines. Thats how I took it anyway :p

[zorasuperman]

And she TOLD Lois about the framed rules. Awww, that was cute as heck! :o


and that a "certain blonde said that he enjoys her assertive flair"

[victory01]

I actually thought the way they did it, considering everything that's gone on with the Lana stuff and then Infamous, was really quite clever.

Clark didn't have to say anything. His actions spoke volumes.

The little touches that show that he loves her, even if he is terrified.

The framed rules.
The 6 phone calls he acknowledged from the previous night.
The knowing her routine to the letter.
The 'constant puppy dog eyes'.
His reaction to her date, and wanting to have a reason to interrupt it.

I also thought it was telling that Clark could tell something was off pretty quickly. He obviously didn't know what (and who would suspect what the reason actually was), but he noticed the things that weren't 'normal' for her right away. To me, that's just another hint that his feelings for Lois run deep.

That was pretty insightful. Thanks for sharing. I agree. I don't think he's in love with her yet though. But it is clear that he likes and admires her a heck of a lot. After all, per his own words, she inspired him to work at the Planet. Not to mention she can really look after herself - even when she's overpowered 100x (Maxima).

[thehenry89]

and that a "certain blonde said that he enjoys her assertive flair"

:lol: I wonder if that means clark likes being bossed around ;)

[clois-destiny-forever]

It doesn't matter. We actually got to see his feelings for Lois through Chloe's eyes. I'll take it. We've got plenty of time for Clark to speak about it, and I'm very patient considering we've got another 24 episodes with LOIS (Crosses fingers)!1

Definitely. I will take what the writers give us. Let's hope that later episodes continue along this great path to Clois.

[kal-el_Girl]

I know that Clark is supposed to be with Lois but I feel so sorry for poor Chloe yet I'm glad that Clark's out of lana's spell

['Tonio09]

Whether you like it or not, Lois Lane is a part of your life now. And, considering the non-stop PuppyDog eyes you give her, I don't think you mind at all.

Love it.

That was great!

[Lilah]

I just love that he knows her so well....

Like when he told her if it could wait til after her post lunch pre dinner 2nd coffee break or what ever he said... how does he notice things like this if he's not interested? He framed her stupid rules..... and when she said she had a date, we all saw the green monster inside of him.... =]

[Kevin24]

I enjoy the hints that he really does care for her and likes her. The facial expressions, dialogue from other characters and his framing of the list. But I still want to hear him say he has feelings for Lois.

It's nice that he shows signs but I want to hear it or him show concrete actions that he definitely has feelings for her.

I don't want it to be up to debate...I want it to be fact!

[herolee10]

you know, and the great thing is that Clark didn't deny to Chloe about the way he looks at Lois and how he potentially feels about her. He knows that he has feelings for her that he's no longer to hide in front of others anymore.

I think Clark will soon realize that what Chloe told him is true and that he doesn't want to look back and wonder what could have happened between him and Lois and just go for it.

[superjude]

Actions and facial expressions speak louder than words ;) Well, at least in this case.

Especially since I'm pretty sure Clark’s in some form of denial, not totally because I think he has realized enough to be cautious about it.

Now that we are delving into romantic territory, as opposed to harmless flirting, we can't have light and fun moments ALL the time, there is some level of angst that will occur, BUT I am very happy to see that it isn’t overdone. There can still some fun and light moments to the relationship while still making it meaningful.

That was something I think was missing from Clark's relationship with Lana. For me anyway it was hard to understand how they'd have fun on dates because everything was so 'serious' and the few moments we did get seemed to not fit well because as a rule Clana was more often a dramatic relationship and less fun. Of course that's just my opinion.

But here Clark can have those serious moments with Lois, dramatic moments, but then have these fun moments too where it is clear he enjoys hanging around with Lois. To me, I can see how these two people would be on a date in the near future, having fun and cracking wise with each other.

I agree. Thanks for putting into words exactly what I was thinking!

[Crouching Lurker]

I think it is wise he is being cautious AND the bonus is, it makes it clear that Lois isn't a rebound.

Highlighted for Truth.

['Tonio09]

I enjoy the hints that he really does care for her and likes her. The facial expressions, dialogue from other characters and his framing of the list. But I still want to hear him say he has feelings for Lois.

It's nice that he shows signs but I want to hear it or him show concrete actions that he definitely has feelings for her.

I don't want it to be up to debate...I want it to be fact!

Maybe that will be the Clois moment in the finale that Matt from tvguide was talking about.

[JennyMoon]

His feelings are being handled so well in this episode. I'm impressed. It's very slow and you can barely tell except in these sporadic subtle ways. It's very fun to watch!

[Mindylynne]

I know the Lana episodes weren't that long ago, but I do think he has moved on. Lana is on his mind, but more as a cautionary tale. She is a reminder of how much love can hurt, and that no matter how badly you want something to work out sometimes it just doesn't. So he was kind of forced to take a look at his feelings for Lois, and yeah, there are feelings there. Clearly Lois is not going to let him in though. She put herself out there, and he waited too long to make a move. Now she has rethought the situation. Not that she is over him, but she is certainly going to try. (Not that she will be on screen enough for us to see this).
Clark's feelings on the otherhand are clearly rising to the surface. Before he may have thought about it, but it was Lois. And Lois is so....Lois. But now, He is not very good at hiding his feelings, so I think we will be seeing them a lot more.

[IHeartClois]

^Yea I think Lana is a closed chapter. She was his first love and all but Lois Lane is the future...as she said herself in Crimson...LOL

At this point the screen is gonna explode with the first "real" romantic Clois kiss...I mean till now there has just been a buildup of feelings, and I nearly died when Clark was finally giving Lois the "im smitten" looks this epi.....man I cant wait for them to get together...but at the same time I think getting there is the best part!

[Kevin24]

OMG:eek: Did I hear Lois admitting that Clark stood her up in that last scene? Didn't she message him back that she couldn't make it to the coffee date:eek:

Or was it just because he sent her a text message that he wasn't going to make and she is using it as a hypothetical "you would have stood me up if I was actually there" kind of thing?:confused:

[clois-destiny-forever]

^Yea I think Lana is a closed chapter. She was his first love and all but Lois Lane is the future...as she said herself in Crimson...LOL

At this point the screen is gonna explode with the first "real" romantic Clois kiss...I mean till now there has just been a buildup of feelings, and I nearly died when Clark was finally giving Lois the "im smitten" looks this epi.....man I cant wait for them to get together...but at the same time I think getting there is the best part!

The destination is great but the journey is tons of fun!!!!

[drvr8]

OMG:eek: Did I hear Lois admitting that Clark stood her up in that last scene? Didn't she message him back that she couldn't make it to the coffee date:eek:

Or was it just because he sent her a text message that he wasn't going to make and she is using it as a hypothetical "you would have stood me up if I was actually there" kind of thing?:confused:
I think that was a Freudian slip on Lois' part. I'm sure Clark would never have confessed that he blew off the date and would have stuck to his lie...but then again we all know that Clark is a terrible liar and that Lois now is apparently the queen of poker...and can read people.

[borednow]

I think its cute. I recall in the Superman movies that neither Clark nor Superman said they had feelings for Lois it was just there and we were suppose to see it.

Reminds me a bit of the little tinny bit of Japanese culture I explored in order to understand anime better. There was this essay someone wrote called: "How do you say 'I love you' in Japanese?" The stick of the whole thing is you don't, you show it. This episode was all about showing how close Clark is to Lois, he knows her routine, knows the name of the guy who gets her her dry cleaning and coffee even though she doesn't. Keeps strange mementos of her, makes puppy eyes, catches her when she trips and makes and spends way too long staring down at her for "Just Friends" territory, is obviously upset when she talks about having a date and crest fallen when she pushes them firmly into co-workers territory.


:lol: I wonder if that means clark likes being bossed around ;)
... duh! :lol:

[IHeartClois]

OMG:eek: Did I hear Lois admitting that Clark stood her up in that last scene? Didn't she message him back that she couldn't make it to the coffee date:eek:

Or was it just because he sent her a text message that he wasn't going to make and she is using it as a hypothetical "you would have stood me up if I was actually there" kind of thing?:confused:

LOL I think since Clark texted her the "cant make it" text first she meant it like you ditched me...not really "stood up"......if only she knew he was there tooo..

[aBR]

I'm actually liking the "ambiguity" in Clark - if I can even call it that. It's already quite obvious to me and I don't like him to "say it" yet. It just prolongs the non-angsty enjoyable-to-watch chase for me and I like it! :)

[Lilah]

^I agree. I like that he doesn't come out and say he has feelings for Lois, but he's not denying it anymore either... It's nice to see him blush and be left dumbfounded cause he really sucks at hiding it. He has nooooooo poker face at all.

[davidbrenton]

you know, and the great thing is that Clark didn't deny to Chloe about the way he looks at Lois and how he potentially feels about her. He knows that he has feelings for her that he's no longer to hide in front of others anymore.

I think Clark will soon realize that what Chloe told him is true and that he doesn't want to look back and wonder what could have happened between him and Lois and just go for it.

I enjoyed that two. Clark took it as a friend calling him on the facts, and didn't deny it in the least. He is starting to fall in love WITH THE WAY HE FEELS ABOUT LOIS.

THAT'S HUGE. That's how I capture this episode in my mind.

[Kal-ed]

I think it was handled pretty well. I think the reality is that its hard to be "perfect" after some of the eps we got this season. But bearing that in mind, I think this episode provided a bit of clarity on where Clark is coming from, and that was very much needed. I think the episode also made it clear that he's just not ready for another big leap into love, and thats the way it should be. I think this episode manage to slow down Clois, and put it in a good place to develop in a more organic way in S9.


True but didnt you wish he hadnt changed the subject again, in Infamous when Chloe say´s something about Clark protecting himself, instead of answering "maybe", "I dont know" or what ever, he changed the subject to talk about the ring. This time instead of answering he turned it back to Chloe.

I know they cant have him openly talking about his feelings for Lois this soon if they´r planing on playing with that on the 9th season but a "I dont know" or "Im confused" would have left us in the same place with the diference that we actually got to hear how Clark feels and thinks.

[ChlarkerFan]

Normally I would say they are moving too fast from Clana but I think that this episode showed they are not. We saw Clark with subtle feelings for Lois and we saw him cheer to letting go of his past and moving on. That's a huge step, but it's not a leap that would cause me to think that Clark's feeling for Lana/Lois are dramatically changing. I'm actually happy that Clois isn't being force fed to me. It's there, I accept it, but it's not being forced and that's a good thing.

[ScooterKalEl]

Yes I agree K24. The flirty banter between them is rewarding; but a full admission of infactuation would be more up more alley.

[costas22]

Clark's reactions yesterday were natural for someone having just come off a serious relationship.He sees that there is something there with Lois but at the moment can't admit it to anybody.

[Isabel14]

I don't think is love yet..I think he admires her and he just start to notice her. I'm glad Lois won't stay moping around and actually goes on dates..that jealousy will make Clark some trouble.:lol:

[SupermanRox]

I think Clark may have actually been jealous when he found out Lois was going on a date. :lol: I loved this episode.

[jobookjunkie]

I don't think is love yet..I think he admires her and he just start to notice her. I'm glad Lois won't stay moping around and actually goes on dates..that jealousy will make Clark some trouble.:lol:

Jealous Clark being all possessive...beating up the guys she goes on dates with..."My Lois! Nobody goes out with my Lois!" :lol:

[workshyslacker]

It was okay. I wasn't that excited about the romantic side of the Clark/Lois relationship. I enjoyed their friendly banter, though.

[geminis]

I was spoiled about the look ahead of time and the whole episode spoiled me rotten. As Clark's best friend, Chloe has learned to read him rather well, but he was also letting things slip about Lois: keeping her in his arms longer than necessary after her trip, the puppy dog looks, knowing her schedule, happy surprise at her unexpected return, the jealousy, returning her various calls, loving working (with Lois) at the Planet, keeping secret mementos of the one and only Lois Lane, putting the past (Lana) in the past, and evading talking about how he feels about Lois to her cousin.

Oh yes, FINALLY!!!!!

[NIGHTRAVENXLR1]

i loved it very much. cant wait four what comes next:D

[SnowBird]

Clark is moving on and Lois is setting up enough road blocks so that he will be healed emotionally to fully give his love to Lois with no looking back. Eyes tell so much, and Clark already has a place reserved for Lois in his heart by the way he looks at her.

[Mickey_Bickey]

The episode was much better than I had hoped in terms of seeing how much Clark cares for Lois.

That look when (Chloe) Lois fell into his arms, the "framing" of her rules, the conversation between him and Chloe where he didn't deny having feelings for her and more importantly the cheers to that remark to put Lana behind him (most underated statement of the night), his reaction when Lois told him he was going on a date, and the look when she walked away after telling him to "add that to the rules"......the gleam in his eye!!! He's thinking quite the opposite!!

Absolutely loved it, and it finally puts Clark's feelings on the map, and we're also seeing the tables turning in Lois' favor! Not only does it set up for S9, but it also sets up for some great moments between them in Stiletto and Doomsday!

[Minela]

I'm just glad we came full circle on the Clois thing. I was afraid we'd have a Lois Lane who pined after a Clark who wasn't aware of his feelings. Now, we got a Clark who is just realizing how much he likes Lois and we have a dismissive Lois Lane the way we know and love her. All is right in the world again. :D

[alma]

I loved the show last night. I thought that the Clois moments were great. I thought that the writers handled Clois really well in this episode, they didn't give us too much and yet they gave us just enough. I love how we now know that Clark has some type of feelings for Lois, and I LOVE how Lois is getting on with her life and not waiting around for Clark. She is now backing off and Clark will have to be the one to do the chasing;). Loved the Jealous Clark!!!!!!!!!!!.:D

[MizMercyLane]

Originally Posted by BadToad http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4666379#post4666379)
I think it was handled pretty well. I think the reality is that its hard to be "perfect" after some of the eps we got this season. But bearing that in mind, I think this episode provided a bit of clarity on where Clark is coming from, and that was very much needed. I think the episode also made it clear that he's just not ready for another big leap into love, and thats the way it should be. I think this episode manage to slow down Clois, and put it in a good place to develop in a more organic way in S9.


I absolutely LOVED this episode. And i agree 100% with BadToad. Initially at the beginning of season 8, i felt that Clois was moving way too fast. Though i have loved all the clois moments in previous episodes, i was surprised at just how fast the relationship seemed to be developing. This episode was more in tune with how things should be, considering that Clark has just ended a relationship with a girl that he had been in love with for so long.

I don't blame him for not owing up to how he feels about Lois till now cuz for such a loyal and good person, developing feelings for someone else while he was supposed to be completely in love with another girl has got to go agaisnt the grain. Though it made me mad at times, i can understand why he resisted all this while. But of course, knowing that eventually Clark and Lois will get together has helped a LOT! :D

[geminis]

I'm just glad we came full circle on the Clois thing. I was afraid we'd have a Lois Lane who pined after a Clark who wasn't aware of his feelings. Now, we got a Clark who is just realizing how much he likes Lois and we have a dismissive Lois Lane the way we know and love her. All is right in the world again. :D

:D

And eventually the classic Clois chase is bound to commence. :)

[Tompouce]

Clark is moving on and Lois is setting up enough road blocks so that he will be healed emotionally to fully give his love to Lois with no looking back. Eyes tell so much, and Clark already has a place reserved for Lois in his heart by the way he looks at her.
You are right, I am not jealous but...:rolleyes:;)

[Iluvgreen]

OMG!!! Did you see the way he looked at her (well Chloe, but he thought it was Lois?) AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! I'm going completely insane watching his face!!!! He is so in love with her.

[MegasaurusRex]

Did anyone else catch the tight shirt comment early on in the episode? Nice to know it isn't all about the stunning personality, lol.

[herolee10]

Clark right now is fighting himself essentially.

His Brain is fighting against his heart...his head says it's not right, Lois's safety...but his heart is saying go for it, it's all right..you can make it work with her.

[scifigirl]

I am really glad that we were able to see Clark's feelings come out a bit. I think that the first part of the season really delved into Lois' growing feelings for Clark. I think that it is pretty clear that we are now going to delve into Clark's feelings for Lois. That is fine and dandy with me.

[boredonenight]

Did anyone else catch the tight shirt comment early on in the episode? Nice to know it isn't all about the stunning personality, lol.

I definitely noticed this, it was my favorite part.... that would be the beginning of lust flying that was hinted at. Can't wait for Stiletto!

[Dyanara]

Did anyone else catch the tight shirt comment early on in the episode? Nice to know it isn't all about the stunning personality, lol.

Seriously people how could you not mention that. Its good to know that Clark notices when a woman has been blessed in certain ares. He may be an alien but he's still a man

[Big O]

Yeah, but who was talking there?:rolleyes: Yep, that's right, CHLOE!! Not Clark, Chloe! AND, he didn't respond----verbally, that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:\

Sometimes...actions speak louder than words....and Clark framing Lois's press rules....shows his feelings for her...he didnt just frame that note....cos it was a momento of his 1 st day at work..that note meant something more to him....thats why he kept it and had it framed.

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There can still some fun and light moments to the relationship while still making it meaningful.

That was something I think was missing from Clark's relationship with Lana. For me anyway it was hard to understand how they'd have fun on dates because everything was so 'serious' and the few moments we did get seemed to not fit well because as a rule Clana was more often a dramatic relationship and less fun. Of course that's just my opinion.

lol Its my opinion also on the Lana & Clark relantionship..almost everything we saw involving Clana...was super serious or super melodramatic....it was much more....of the soap opera varitey...with Lana saying super dramatic & soapy stuff to Clark ...about wanting to grow old with him etc.....we rarely...saw them just having plain old fun...thats the main differance with Clana vs. Clois.


But here Clark can have those serious moments with Lois, dramatic moments, but then have these fun moments too where it is clear he enjoys hanging around with Lois. To me, I can see how these two people would be on a date in the near future, having fun and cracking wise with each other.

Right.....Clana was mostly dramatic & deadly serious...with a few light hearted moments thrown in...while with Clois...its the opposite....we have had..some great ..romantic moments..like when CK stood Lois up..and in Commited...when Lois expressed her love for CK......but overall..its a very diferant relantionship.....more light hearted...romantic ..and we have seen.. a lot of teasing going on between CK & Lois...which is just so much fun to watch.

CK is a differant person around Lois..hes likes to give..as good as he gets with Lois...and she clearly has always enjoyed teasing him...and we can see...that CK has warmed up to her...considerably...since those early days when they first met.

Which brings me to TW & ED...these two...are so good together...and they bring out the best in each other...TW was really funny...in Hex..and he has a natural comic flair...he should try his hand at a romantic comedy...when SV wraps up for good.

Who knows..maybe some big time Hollywood producer...will notice the obvious chemistry between ED & TW...and decide to cast them in a romantic comedy ....Im guessing lots of Clois fans..would pay to see TW & ED.. in a movie coming soon to a theater near you!

[devilneedsaride]

Don't get me wrong, I'm as big a Clois fan as your next... uh, Clois fan, but I thought it was pretty lightswitchy. From tragic, swoony, rest-of-our-lives-together intensity with Lana in episode 14 to framing Lois's stuff in episode 17? Eh...

[Juju]

Yea its nice how the lois and clark relationship is developing this year. So much better then how lana and clark was mishandled.

;) Ita. Never liked the clana thing. :p

[Mickey_Bickey]

Don't get me wrong, I'm as big a Clois fan as your next... uh, Clois fan, but I thought it was pretty lightswitchy. From tragic, swoony, rest-of-our-lives-together intensity with Lana in episode 14 to framing Lois's stuff in episode 17? Eh...

I thought the whole Lana thing was actually the "lightswitch". What should have been the transition into the iconic friendship with Lana Lang turned into this atrocious storyline in Power and Requiem that seemed so out of place for this season that I thought I watching a different show!

Go back to Bride and the "almost kiss" with Lois, with all the build up of their relationship before, and it's not too hard to imagine Clark giving Lois that look, soundy breathy after it, then having a gleam in his eye at the end when she walked away. His "cheers to that" comment actually cemented that he's not looking back!;)

[devilneedsaride]

I thought the whole Lana thing was actually the "lightswitch". What should have been the transition into the iconic friendship with Lana Lang turned into this atrocious storyline in Power and Requiem that seemed so out of place for this season that I thought I watching a different show!

Go back to Bride and the "almost kiss" with Lois, with all the build up of their relationship before, and it's not too hard to imagine Clark giving Lois that look, soundy breathy after it, then having a gleam in his eye at the end when she walked away. His "cheers to that" comment actually cemented that he's not looking back!;)

I'm with you that the whole Clana thing didn't come out of left field so much as out of the Andromeda galaxy, but does the fact that they flipped the switch once make it okay that they flipped it back? I don't know. I really wish that horrific arc hadn't happened, but now that it did I'm having trouble ignoring it, and it's kind of throwing me for a loop with whatever Clois is developing now.

[marcella]

About time

[Alania]

Don't get me wrong, I'm as big a Clois fan as your next... uh, Clois fan, but I thought it was pretty lightswitchy. From tragic, swoony, rest-of-our-lives-together intensity with Lana in episode 14 to framing Lois's stuff in episode 17? Eh...


I really wish that horrific arc hadn't happened, but now that it did I'm having trouble ignoring it, and it's kind of throwing me for a loop with whatever Clois is developing now.

I agree on all counts with those posts. It's the press play/stop on clois and clana and we are suppose to follow that! Honestly, i am not a DVD player!!:mad: I voted the last one, it will take a lot more for me to believe this Clark actually has strong feelings for Lois, cause he's no different than that guy who started seeing Lois through another light during the first half of season 8 and was easily distracted by Lana's return. But to me, two more options are fitting: lightswitch and too soon after clana debacle, unfortunatelly. :\

[Mickey_Bickey]

I'm with you that the whole Clana thing didn't come out of left field so much as out of the Andromeda galaxy, but does the fact that they flipped the switch once make it okay that they flipped it back? I don't know. I really wish that horrific arc hadn't happened, but now that it did I'm having trouble ignoring it, and it's kind of throwing me for a loop with whatever Clois is developing now.


I understand what you're saying, but when I think of the alternative and that being having Clark mope around mentioning Lana non-stop, ignoring anything that happened between him and Lois through Bride then I say thank goodness they're taking this route! I was so happy when Infamous aired that Clark seemed confident and back to himself! I'm sure it may take a little longer, but with every episode you get further away from Power and Requiem and closer to the real deal which of course is Clark and Lois!;):D

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I agree on all counts with those posts. It's the press play/stop on clois and clana and we are suppose to follow that! Honestly, i am not a DVD player!!:mad: I voted the last one, it will take a lot more for me to believe this Clark actually has strong feelings for Lois, cause he's no different than that guy who started seeing Lois through another light during the first half of season 8 and was easily distracted by Lana's return. But to me, two more options are fitting: lightswitch and too soon after clana debacle, unfortunatelly. :\

Alania, too soon after the Lana debacle? It's been a month plus 3 episodes! There's been more than enough time in the world of TV. This isn't a soap opera that airs everyday! Would you rather Clark moping around the rest of the season? I think I'd watch another show if that happened!

The only thing that kept me watching was knowing that KK was leaving after Requiem! The writers did a horrendous job with that arc. That's without question, but we had 10 episodes of Clark and Lois build up! That look with EDChloe, his words with Chloe "cheers to that" meaning moving swiftly right along, and then the conversation at the end. Of course he is falling in love with her.

My opinion is that he already is, but he keeps denying his feelings! In the words of Chloe, don't look back over your shoulder, because you're going to miss what's in front of you, my friend!!:cool:;)

[Tatiana]

I think it was done real well because we have seen that look from him towards her before, I liked how Chloe as Lois said you have never looked at me like that before, that's because he hasn't because he never had those feelings for Chloe. Definitely though Erica and Tom had great chemistry this episode, their rooftop scene was amazing, funny, and classic

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I also liked that Chloe told CLark it was about time they both left the past behind and gave themselves a second chance and Clark didn't say no, he agreed and they cheered

[Meteror Freak]

I felt like Infamous was too 'lightswitch' after loosing Lana, but the Clois in this episode was PERFECT.

[paolinki25]

Yep. I think it was handled appropriately.

[Big O]

I'm with you that the whole Clana thing didn't come out of left field so much as out of the Andromeda galaxy, but does the fact that they flipped the switch once make it okay that they flipped it back? I don't know. I really wish that horrific arc hadn't happened, but now that it did I'm having trouble ignoring it, and it's kind of throwing me for a loop with whatever Clois is developing now.

I have completely forgotten about Lana & that horrific arc of hers...as you so well put it...to me...its like the shows after Bride...never happened...and Im just enjoying seeing CK & Lois together.

Im not concerned...at all...that it seems too soon for Clark to have real feelings for Lois.....so soon after Super Lana...zoomed out of town.....Ck has liked Lois...for a long time now....as we could plainly see on CK 's awestruck face....after he posed as Green Arrow and Lois kissed him.....CK looked like...one very surprised and happy man...and he was the one..that wanted that slow dance with Lois in Bride....I think...he just needed to get Lana out of his system....and now that Lanas gone for good...( lol he said with fingers crossed).....Ck has moved on....just like..Chole has...

In real life.....people take & need more time to get over a long term relantionship that has recently ended.....but SV is a TV show....and we really dont know...how much time is elaspsing...between episodes....so..what we might think...is 3 episodes or 3 weeks...since CK was with Lana...to the writers...maybe its more like 6-8 weeks....have passed....

Regardless of how much time in SV has passed in between episodes....Im just happy...to see CK & Lois.....together again.... ....as for Lana & her story arc ....I go by that old saying..." out of sight ... out of mind!"

[Alania]

Alania, too soon after the Lana debacle? It's been a month plus 3 episodes! There's been more than enough time in the world of TV. This isn't a soap opera that airs everyday! Would you rather Clark moping around the rest of the season? I think I'd watch another show if that happened!

The only thing that kept me watching was knowing that KK was leaving after Requiem! The writers did a horrendous job with that arc. That's without question, but we had 10 episodes of Clark and Lois build up! That look with EDChloe, his words with Chloe "cheers to that" meaning moving swiftly right along, and then the conversation at the end. Of course he is falling in love with her.

My opinion is that he already is, but he keeps denying his feelings! In the words of Chloe, don't look back over your shoulder, because you're going to miss what's in front of you, my friend!!:cool:;)

On, no, God, please! No moping! But, for me, it is a series of bad writing that led us to this point: picking up where we left in Bride after watching clana hardcore love. It is not a soap opera, u are right, and that's a stronger reason to give Lois and Clark more time after clana debacle. If it aired daily, we would experience Clark moving on with more credibilty; this "a month has passed" offscreenville doesn't work for me; what i see is Clark making puppy eyes at Lois two episodes after Requiem. Not to metion the fact that, once again, he wasn't able to properly break up with Lana. The writers did a horrendous job, i agree, but it happened and i can't ignore it. Trying to make us forget with Clois moments is underestimating our power of criticism; they assumed we were going to take on a couple of Lois and Clark's romantic moments quite easily because it is meant to be, regardless the fact that he wanted to spend the rest of his life with Lana Lang.

And this "in denial" thing, as a priest fighting temptation, is weird, i don't see that, i see him not having any idea where the feelings are comig from so he doesn't know how to act upon them. And he shouldn't be "in denial", cause Clark doesn't deny his feelings for Lois, he just represses them. Repress is different from deny. For me, he shouldn't be feeling this way for Lois that soon, it is not believable and it will keep looking like he pushed his lightswitch button.:\

[devilneedsaride]

On, no, God, please! No moping! But, for me, it is a series of bad writing that led us to this point: picking up where we left in Bride after watching clana hardcore love. It is not a soap opera, u are right, and that's a stronger reason to give Lois and Clark more time after clana debacle. If it aired daily, we would experience Clark moving on with more credibilty; this "a month has passed" offscreenville doesn't work for me; what i see is Clark making puppy eyes at Lois two episodes after Requiem. Not to metion the fact that, once again, he wasn't able to properly break up with Lana. The writers did a horrendous job, i agree, but it happened and i can't ignore it. Trying to make us forget with Clois moments is underestimating our power of criticism; they assumed we were going to take on a couple of Lois and Clark's romantic moments quite easily because it is meant to be, regardless the fact that he wanted to spend the rest of his life with Lana Lang.

And this "in denial" thing, as a priest fighting temptation, is weird, i don't see that, i see him not having any idea where the feelings are comig from so he doesn't know how to act upon them. And he shouldn't be "in denial", cause Clark doesn't deny his feelings for Lois, he just represses them. Repress is different from deny. For me, he shouldn't be feeling this way for Lois that soon, it is not believable and it will keep looking like he pushed his lightswitch button.:\

Good post. I was trying to think of a way to properly put to words what I was thinking, and then you did. ITA.

[sunset]

Voted for finally showing interest. Because that's just it, there were no verbals!!!

I'm truly glad for forums such as this one because if I didn't read your subjective views for Clark's every muscle movement or voice inflection, I might have thought I was reading it wrong...

[Jack-El49]

On, no, God, please! No moping! But, for me, it is a series of bad writing that led us to this point: picking up where we left in Bride after watching clana hardcore love. It is not a soap opera, u are right, and that's a stronger reason to give Lois and Clark more time after clana debacle. If it aired daily, we would experience Clark moving on with more credibilty; this "a month has passed" offscreenville doesn't work for me; what i see is Clark making puppy eyes at Lois two episodes after Requiem. Not to metion the fact that, once again, he wasn't able to properly break up with Lana. The writers did a horrendous job, i agree, but it happened and i can't ignore it. Trying to make us forget with Clois moments is underestimating our power of criticism; they assumed we were going to take on a couple of Lois and Clark's romantic moments quite easily because it is meant to be, regardless the fact that he wanted to spend the rest of his life with Lana Lang.

And this "in denial" thing, as a priest fighting temptation, is weird, i don't see that, i see him not having any idea where the feelings are comig from so he doesn't know how to act upon them. And he shouldn't be "in denial", cause Clark doesn't deny his feelings for Lois, he just represses them. Repress is different from deny. For me, he shouldn't be feeling this way for Lois that soon, it is not believable and it will keep looking like he pushed his lightswitch button.:\


Alania, my friend! Allowing the writers to make you dismiss all the episodes leading in to the offensive arc also means you're being manipulated. You are allowing them to make you dismiss the power of Clois - the power of soul mates that are drawn together by more than a high school infatuation.

If you watch STM and can believe on the first day at the Planet, Clark is smitten by Lois when all she does is ignore and dismiss him, why can you not believe that with Lana gone and Lois back, that a certain degree of clarity returns after six or more weeks of sitting across from Lois every day, watching her every move, and taking in her essence?

I'm not trying to tell you what to feel, my friend. I am only trying to give you the perspective of some of the others here that are no less intelligent, no less demanding of their characters, or no less discerning than you are. I'm not defending them or you - just offering you a perspective that maybe you have not considered.

We are all Cloisers and we all demand respect for our ship and the way our characters are presented. The Clois love story is iconic and deserves that treatment as do the individual characters themselves. I was not pleased that Clark, in my opinion, acted cowardly by not talking to Lois after the time reboot in Infamous. Some viewed that as noble, I viewed it as cowardly and was quite vocal about it in this forum.

Nevertheless, I do not feel they are wrong to believe it was noble nor do I believe that Clark hasn't realized that Lana is his past and that Lois has a specialness that no other character has for him - particuarly after what he learned in Infamous.

Nonetheless, I reiterate that we are all Cloisers and should all feel good that after nearly 5 seasons, tptb are beginning to show how and why Lois and Clark are the greatest romantic couple in comic book lore. We can all only hope that they do not toy with the relationship but present it in a mature, reasonable way and pace rather than stringing us along with half-hearted attempts to keep us on the line.

[Alania]

Alania, my friend! Allowing the writers to make you dismiss all the episodes leading in to the offensive arc also means you're being manipulated. You are allowing them to make you dismiss the power of Clois - the power of soul mates that are drawn together by more than a high school infatuation.

No, Jack, i'm not dismissing the first ten episodes, that first half of season 8 was incredible! But, i'm having difficult to tie this Clark now, to the one from 11-14 and the one from 1-10 and it is simply impossible, it was like watching Clark and Bizarro! To me, writers dismissed episodes 1-10, cause we are now struggling to get back on that track!


If you watch STM and can believe on the first day at the Planet, Clark is smitten by Lois when all she does is ignore and dismiss him, why can you not believe that with Lana gone and Lois back, that a certain degree of clarity returns after six or more weeks of sitting across from Lois every day, watching her every move, and taking in her essence?

That's the problem, whenever he sees one or another girl, the feelings come back. Like Sana said, we can't expect Clark will stick with his feelings for Lois because he still doesn't know she's the right one, but he could have some continuance on them, not completely forget about Lois when Lana showed up and now completely forget about Lana cause Lois came back.


I'm not trying to tell you what to feel, my friend. I am only trying to give you the perspective of some of the others here that are no less intelligent, no less demanding of their characters, or no less discerning than you are. I'm not defending them or you - just offering you a perspective that maybe you have not considered.

I know, Jack and i appreciate it! :) Maybe, as season approaches the finale, we might reach a point where there won't be a single cloiser complaining about their development, including me, but right now, i'll have to wait a little longer.


We are all Cloisers and we all demand respect for our ship and the way our characters are presented. The Clois love story is iconic and deserves that treatment as do the individual characters themselves. I was not pleased that Clark, in my opinion, acted cowardly by not talking to Lois after the time reboot in Infamous. Some viewed that as noble, I viewed it as cowardly and was quite vocal about it in this forum.

Now this point we have an agreement! I also hated the standing her up, there was no need at all! Talk over coffee does not mean, in any way, pushing a relationship. He could have said no when she "asked him out". Not coward, i'd say too insecure. But most people liked that ethereal scene, so u probably can understand me now, cause u went against a prevailing flow before.


Nonetheless, I reiterate that we are all Cloisers and should all feel good that after nearly 5 seasons, tptb are beginning to show how and why Lois and Clark are the greatest romantic couple in comic book lore. We can all only hope that they do not toy with the relationship but present it in a mature, reasonable way and pace rather than stringing us along with half-hearted attempts to keep us on the line.

Five years of growing relationship! I can't complain about this development, they were quite fair with Lois and Clark duo. I don't think they will toy, they've had enough "amusement" with clana. I remember u were almost certain, after Infamous, the relationship would be filled with angst and look what happened? The friendship is back and unscathed! So, they can surprise us and that's what i'm hoping now, they surprise this frustrated cloiser here at some point!;) Thanks again, my friend!

[Ankhara]

I really loved this epi. It was handled very well. Lois not holding a grudge against Clark -even if at that time, he deserved it- and keeping their friendship -which is important to her- in good terms. :D
Clark suffered one season later...and it served him right. He had to lose Lois, and face those feelings. They were buried and pushed aside, allowing his past to take control (in his mind he always thought: "Oh, let's give it another try. This time will work." But in the end, it NEVER worked); and he never had the time to explore those feelings properly, until it was too late. :(