They offically ruined Chloe and slapped her supporters

[irongatealpha]

Seriously show. She went from aspiring to becoming a reporter since she could talk. We have been shown this for the past seven years. It is her idenity (her words). Yet for all that effort its all tossed away this year in one sentence in Plastique. She randomly tosses it away for working in all places, the Isis foundation. Without another look back.

She is under the control of Brianiac for much of the year, doing a job she is crappy at. Only now in yet another randomly placed scene, she reiterates she doesn't have any inclination whatsoever to go back reporting and instead wants to devote herself to becoming Watchtower.

While on page it seems more fitting and noble, it comes as too little too late in my book, because they wasted Chloe's time this year if it only means come a few episodes from now she may be killed off.

What an awesome fitting to this once great character. Meanwhile people like Lana go out with the glory, yet Chloe has to settle. I'd rather see her reporting in Gotham City or another city if this show is incapable of allowing more than one strong opinionated reporter female on the show.

I think I may be done. :(

[Supsfan]

To be honest since Chloe found out Clark's secret, it seems more often then not she was happier helping Clark then actually doing her job. I saw this especially in seasons 6+7 so the ending in this episode makes alot of sense.

[Amelie]

I didn't see it that way at all. I liked Chloe finally being confident in her own life and in the pursuit of interests that she's had for the past couple of seasons. Chloe Sullivan wasn't all about journalism and it's sad that some people think that if you take that away from her she's ruined. Chloe is more than a journalist and more than a girl with a crush on her best friend. This episode finally showed that.

[abbaspice1]

^^ITA

[stenochick]

To be honest since Chloe found out Clark's secret, it seems more often then not she was happier helping Clark then actually doing her job. I saw this especially in seasons 6+7 so the ending in this episode makes alot of sense.

ITA. Especially once Lex bought the Planet. She was not wanting to be there at all after that. And before that, she was getting more of a rush out of helping Clark and Olliver than in finding and writing news stories.

[myankskent]

I actually thought that TPTB actually gave Chloe some importance in the future. As long as she doesn't die, she'll be right there with the Justice League and Clark for many years to come.

[SupesComicFan]

I think that the only people who think this "ruined Chloe" would be the ones not paying attention since season 6. She has not shown an interest in real reporting, just in helping superheros, since season 6. I believe that this is the episode that REDEEMED Chloe, to an extent, and it seemed like the culmination of what has been happening in her life since season 5-6.

She made her own decision and she seemed happy. Her dreams have changed. Perhaps if she had known that there were super beings in the world when she was 8, she would have been watchtower her whole life. I see it as natural progression, not a ruination.

[wingster55]

I don't see it that way. She may have enjoyed being out there with Clark and Ollie but she's always been exposing the truth and investigation. See Plastique where after meeting Davis she runs a background check on him like a reporter. I don't mind Watchtower Chloe but I do feel like I was slapped in the face. Watchtower is a side job. She'll be bored most of the day.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

People do go on to do other stuff. I know people who wanted to do something else their whole life, but ended up finding something even better that they loved

[Lilah]

I like Chloe better as Watchtower than as a reporter. As a reporter she was known alienating people and being really annoying to a lot of people. I like her as Watchtower. If she could stay Watchtower forever, I'd stop plotting her death lol. I just don't know how she goes from Justice League to Doomsday Harborer....

[chlo-el]

It was clear that she missed journalism. But I don't think she is ruined if she doesn't go back and pursue that. There were a lot of problems she had when doing the journalism thing like always having to hide Clarks secret and having to deal with everyone elses secrets. I hated that she said she would leave it forever. But I can see her embracing this other life. It suites her just as much as reporting did.

[Lilah]

I don't see it that way. She may have enjoyed being out there with Clark and Ollie but she's always been exposing the truth and investigation. See Plastique where after meeting Davis she runs a background check on him like a reporter. I don't mind Watchtower Chloe but I do feel like I was slapped in the face. Watchtower is a side job. She'll be bored most of the day.

I disagree. If anything she'll be kept busier than ever. Apparently the other Leaguers are always off doing something. I just don't get it. Everyone loved her as Clark's sidekick and now that she's taken that job fully, fans are upset....:confused:

[AndiGirl]

Honestly.....what they have been doing with Chloe has been the slap in the face for me.
I mean, the entire premise of this episode is that Chloe is sick of her life...and sometimes thinks about trading places with Lois. Coudl we get anymore pathetic?? :\

But the end of the episode...pure GOLD! :D
For the first time...in a very long time, Chloe was serving a greater purpose and truly happy doing it.

Far from ruining the character...IMO, quite the opposite.

[Lilah]

It was clear that she missed journalism. But I don't think she is ruined if she doesn't go back and pursue that. There were a lot of problems she had when doing the journalism thing like always having to hide Clarks secret and having to deal with everyone elses secrets. I hated that she said she would leave it forever. But I can see her embracing this other life. It suites her just as much as reporting did.

Agreed. If not more. Watchtower suits her better.

[jpfort1957]

Totally agree with the above post!!!!!!!!

[doodie8808]

honestly.....what they have been doing with chloe has been the slap in the face for me.
I mean, the entire premise of this episode is that chloe is sick of her life...and sometimes thinks about trading places with lois. Coudl we get anymore pathetic?? :\

but the end of the episode...pure gold! :d
for the first time...in a very long time, chloe was serving a greater purpose and truly happy doing it.

Far from ruining the character...imo, quite the opposite.

i agree it makes her seem pathetic! :)

[Aries83]

I actually thought that TPTB actually gave Chloe some importance in the future. As long as she doesn't die, she'll be right there with the Justice League and Clark for many years to come.

After seeing this episode, I was very grateful for the healing power. if they could give that back to her, maybe her character will be more like it was in Season 6.

[Var-Zol]

I like Chloe better as Watchtower than as a reporter. As a reporter she was known alienating people and being really annoying to a lot of people. I like her as Watchtower. If she could stay Watchtower forever, I'd stop plotting her death lol. I just don't know how she goes from Justice League to Doomsday Harborer....

its called U-N-D-E-R-C-O-V-E-R

[wingster55]

I would except the career change if given a reason. What killed her passion for journalism? She was fired, she didn't quit.

[paolinki25]

I think they have finally given Chloe a place where she belongs. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

[ginevrakent]

I would except the career change if given a reason. What killed her passion for journalism? She was fired, she didn't quit.

Can you provide a specific example of the last time you remember Chloe being passionate about journalism?

[redeem147]

Once Lois was introduced into the universe (and I'm glad she was), Chloe being a reporter was redundant. A lot of kids have passions that they don't fulfil in adulthood. She seems happy with this job, and she's doing good. In fact, she seems to be the glue that holds the League together. That's a pretty significant person to be.

[Lilah]

its called U-N-D-E-R-C-O-V-E-R

I somehow doubt that.

[Aries83]

I'm done. This will be my first and only post on these forums, which I've lurked since the show started. I simply don't care anymore. They've ruined it.

RIP Chloe S1-S5
RIP Clark S1-S6
RIP Chlois S1-S8

That is ridiculous. Give me a break.:rotfl:

[Kschreck]

Chloe has taken a huge step backwards this season but in all honesty, I really liked the story they gave her character tonight.

I didn't like that she was quick to get over Jimmy. I thought that was a little to... well wrong but I did like most of the writing they gave her and the ending was the best part. She now plays the role of watchtower for the Justice League and I think this is an awesome position for her.

I've been watching the show forever and I know that many fans wanted her to be a journalist but honestly, I don't see the problem with her working with the Justice League. She will still be able to do the research and stuff like that and she will be helping the Justice League help others. It's a noble position for her.

What I do find weird though is that they used the Isis Foundation in tonight's episode but the new set they are building for the season finale is set to replace the Isis Foundation.

Does this mean a proper Justice League control center or does this mean Chloe won't live long enough to continue her watchtower work? Or maybe there is another explanation. Either way, the Isis Foundation will be gone shortly and I just wonder what effect that will have on Chloe's new career path.

[LovelyLoisLane]

Honestly.....what they have been doing with Chloe has been the slap in the face for me.
I mean, the entire premise of this episode is that Chloe is sick of her life...and sometimes thinks about trading places with Lois. Coudl we get anymore pathetic?? :\

But the end of the episode...pure GOLD! :D
For the first time...in a very long time, Chloe was serving a greater purpose and truly happy doing it.

Far from ruining the character...IMO, quite the opposite.

Chloe has had a crap life the past few episodes and I like how this episode started with Chloe depressed and dismal (not that I liked her being depressed and dismal) and at her lowest and then throughout the episode she realised that she could make her life what she wanted it to be and what she wanted it to be was to actively be a member of the Justice League set. She admired herself in the mirror at the end of the episode and looked completely confidant and contented with that last shot. "Watchtower Online."

I was clapping because Chloe really took the reins of her life and said "You know what, no more living in the past, I'm going to make my life what I want it to be."

She started down in the dumps and at the end was standing in the sun. Go Chloe! :cool:

I really loved her toasting Clark with their coffee cups to their life ahead and moving on with it. Cheers!

[Supsfan]

RIP Chloe S1-S5
RIP Clark S1-S6
RIP Chlois S1-S8


I would argue RIP Chlois episode 1 when Clark refered to her a Chloe(and yes if you watch the episode you will hear the name Chloe)


A lot of kids have passions that they don't fulfil in adulthood.

Seems to be a running theme on this show for all characters

[paolinki25]

Once Lois was introduced into the universe (and I'm glad she was), Chloe being a reporter was redundant. A lot of kids have passions that they don't fulfil in adulthood. She seems happy with this job, and she's doing good. In fact, she seems to be the glue that holds the League together. That's a pretty significant person to be.

I agree. These passions and dreams you have in your adolescence are sometimes changed by your experiences as you grow older. Everything that happened to Chloe with her abilities and all has changed the person that she was, and I think she has finally found the place where she belongs. A place where she can use all her intellect and skills for a bigger purpose.

[smallvillereporter27]

I think this was the right move. Journalism did not define her, especially in seasons 6 and 7. She changed direction once she learned Clark's secret and journalism became secondary to helping Clark. Of course she misses journalism and the life she could of had. That's natural, especially when you're going through a crappy time in your life. I think this episode gave Chloe perspective on her life and hopefully indicates that she will stick around for awhile....

[SGuthrie27]

I have to admit that I was a little saddened at first that she gave up on reporting -- she seemed a little dejected when she made that remark about, "That's someone else's life." (Obviously, she was referring to Lois who had somewhat stolen her thunder -- not a negative remark about Lois; I'm just saying that she eclipsed Lois in the Daily Planet universe.) However, I respectfully will accept the new plotline they've put forth with Chloe helping to coordinate Ollie's team as Watchtower. She has obviously thoroughly enjoyed assisting Clark in the past, and she gets a thrill from helping others, as well as encountering all things new and unexplained, so this is sort of her way to get in on the action, even without any more powers other than her naturally super-smart brain, charm, a heart big enough to put up with so many other characters' ridiculous behavior, and adorable, gorgeous good looks. ;)

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[dru-zod2501]

its called U-N-D-E-R-C-O-V-E-R
ohhh... that's an interesting thought. Now it makes a bit more sense than before

[yomama]

Not everyone's life follows the course they want. To be able to imagine a different life for yourself after something you've wanted so badly so long doesn't work out is a sign of resilience and maturity.

For me, this episode redeemed Chloe and gave her renewed purpose after seeing her languish in her go-nowhere relationship with Jimmy/ Post-Brainiac phase. If SV continued to write her this way and they still bump her off at the end of S8, I'll really miss this strong Chloe.

[BadToad]

I don't see how giving Chloe the importance of being Watchtower for the JLA as it develops can be considered a slap in the face to the character. Its a position of huge responsibility and trust. It makes her directly a part of saving the world, not just as Clark's "sidekick", but for other heroes as well. I have no problem at all in understanding how Chloe has come to embrace that life, and leave her journalistic aspirations behind. Her life has changed in incredible, fundamental ways. It seems realistic to me that her ambitions would change as well.

I think they handed Chloe a huge honor, personally. JMO

[cloisthelegendbegins]

I didn't see it that way at all. I liked Chloe finally being confident in her own life and in the pursuit of interests that she's had for the past couple of seasons. Chloe Sullivan wasn't all about journalism and it's sad that some people think that if you take that away from her she's ruined. Chloe is more than a journalist and more than a girl with a crush on her best friend. This episode finally showed that.

ITA! Well said!


I think that the only people who think this "ruined Chloe" would be the ones not paying attention since season 6. She has not shown an interest in real reporting, just in helping superheros, since season 6. I believe that this is the episode that REDEEMED Chloe, to an extent, and it seemed like the culmination of what has been happening in her life since season 5-6.
She made her own decision and she seemed happy. Her dreams have changed. Perhaps if she had known that there were super beings in the world when she was 8, she would have been watchtower her whole life. I see it as natural progression, not a ruination.

Again well said! ITA. :D


I don't see it that way. She may have enjoyed being out there with Clark and Ollie but she's always been exposing the truth and investigation

I bolded and underlined what I agree with here. She HAS always been about exposing the truth and investigation and those, to me, are two of the building blocks of... wait for it... THE JUSTICE LEAGUE. By putting those skills to use for the greater good in a way she would never have been able to do as a reporter, she has become as much of a hero as the rest of the team IMO. She's PERFECT in the role of Watchtower and can not only put all her investigative and hacking skills to use exposing the truth and bringing down the bad guys, but she also knows exactly what every member of that team goes through with secret identities and double lives. I can totally see Chloe arguing with them and being a conscience for them when there's a fine line between doing good and becoming the very thing they're all fighting against.


See Plastique where after meeting Davis she runs a background check on him like a reporter.

And what exactly could she have done with that information even if it led her straight to Doomsday? Once again it brings her into the realm of secrets. And it was protecting those kinds of secrets that compromised her position as a reporter before. Whereas as Watchtower, she can do something about it.


I don't mind Watchtower Chloe but I do feel like I was slapped in the face.Watchtower is a side job. She'll be bored most of the day.

Bored?! Are you kidding me? She already has a team of five to co-ordinate and that's before MM or Zatanna or the Angel of Vengeance or even Clark officially sign up! She'll have PLENTY to do and there's no way in heck she'll be bored as they gather more information and get their hands on new technology and with the Injustice League being formed by Tess and with the increased threat/dilemma of Doomsday on the horizon. I see her being even busier and even more needed than she ever was before. And there are PLENTY of storylines in this role to carry her into season nine and beyond.


But the end of the episode...pure GOLD! :D
For the first time...in a very long time, Chloe was serving a greater purpose and truly happy doing it.

Far from ruining the character...IMO, quite the opposite.

ITA! :D I grinned like an idiot at the end when she looked into the camera, that edgy music beat played and she said the words 'Watchtower is officially online' :D She was so determined and focussed and together and seriously - it gave me CHILLS. I LOVE this role for Chloe and have done since Justice. :D I just hate the crap it took to get her here. :rolleyes:

But BY NO MEANS do I think they ruined Chloe. If anything I think they finally gave Chloe the kind of purpose and drive and determination and passion that elevated her from 'side-kick' to bone fide super heroine in her own right.

[wingster55]

Chloe wasn't shown as a reporter in seasons 6 and 7 because they wanted to show Lois in that position.
It makes sense if having her abilities changed her and killed her desire but we never saw that. All we got was a shrug and something about trying something different. That turned out to be Isis which she was extremely underqualified for.

[Amelie]

Chloe Sullivan was never Lois Lane, not in episode one and not in episode 100. She's always been her own person and I can see why this episode would be disappointing to someone who has made themselves believe that Chloe was meant to be ILL, but she wasn't and I'm glad that writers finally made that crystal clear.

[RPintorO]

Seriously show. She went from aspiring to becoming a reporter since she could talk. We have been shown this for the past seven years. It is her idenity (her words). Yet for all that effort its all tossed away this year in one sentence in Plastique. She randomly tosses it away for working in all places, the Isis foundation. Without another look back.

She is under the control of Brianiac for much of the year, doing a job she is crappy at. Only now in yet another randomly placed scene, she reiterates she doesn't have any inclination whatsoever to go back reporting and instead wants to devote herself to becoming Watchtower.

While on page it seems more fitting and noble, it comes as too little too late in my book, because they wasted Chloe's time this year if it only means come a few episodes from now she may be killed off.

What an awesome fitting to this once great character. Meanwhile people like Lana go out with the glory, yet Chloe has to settle. I'd rather see her reporting in Gotham City or another city if this show is incapable of allowing more than one strong opinionated reporter female on the show.

I think I may be done. :(

[Mod Edit]

[eas]

Really? I thought Choe was great in this episode and it was nice to see her acknowledge how horrible her life has been this year (which it has) and to become nostalgic for her "easier" life. It was also nice that she realized that things change and she has a purpose that's far greater than just sitting in a bull pen and writing stories about people saving the world. She even mentioned that she thought she'd do good by doing the Isis Foundation but it didn't work out.

Instead of reporting about it, she wants to be an active participant in saving the world. That's a noble purpose and a higher calling. A higher calling she's infinitely qualified for and clearly enjoys more than I've seen her enjoy journalism since S5. To me, this was the ulimate culmination of her journey that I've seen since S5 & made sense to me.

And it made me like Chloe again... I thought that final scene was awesome. Finally, the Isis Foundation is being used for something it should have been used for all along. And Chloe is the Watchtower. Awesome.

Also -- I felt like this episode addressed a lot of the concerns that Chloe fans have voiced this year. The frustration with the "counselor at the Isis Foundation". Check. The whole Jimmy marriage. Check. Is really done with journalism and why? Check.

I thought this episode was actually written with a checklist of Chloe "questions" that have been floating around and they were all addressed -- from Chloe's own mouth.

[gilliang]

Chloe wasn't shown as a reporter in seasons 6 and 7 because they wanted to show Lois in that position.
It makes sense if having her abilities changed her and killed her desire but we never saw that. All we got was a shrug and something about trying something different. That turned out to be Isis which she was extremely underqualified for.

If Chloe wanted to be a reporter, she'd be one. She didn't fight back when she was fired by Lex. Imagining something like that happening with Lois and there's no way she'd go down without a fight because journalism is her passion.

I think it's somewhat sad that fans of a character define her by only one personality trait/aspect of her life.

[wingster55]

What could she do? She was led out by two men but screaming the whole way.
I just want to know why. All these theories make sense but nothing has been said on screen.
I don't actually mind watchtower as it is real!Chloe.

[eas]

What could she do? She was led out by two men but screaming the whole way.

Go look for a job at a different newspaper? I'm assuming there is more than one newspaper out there.


I just want to know why. All these theories make sense but nothing has been said on screen.

And now it has. In fact, a whole episode has been devoted to showing you why Chloe has decided that she's not going back to journalism. Because being a person who saves the world is more important to her than being one who just writes about it.


I don't actually mind watchtower as it is real!Chloe.

That's convenient. Picking and choosing when a character is being "real". Show canon doesn't mean anything, then, I guess?

[wingster55]

I meant not ooc Chloe.
Has it? All I got was Chloe didn't want to look to the past which makes sense but being a writer isn't exactly something you get rid of. My sister used to be a journalist but switched careers like Chloe. However she hasn't gotten rid of the writer in her. Infact it helps her in her job.

[hanemg]

I don't see it that way. She may have enjoyed being out there with Clark and Ollie but she's always been exposing the truth and investigation. See Plastique where after meeting Davis she runs a background check on him like a reporter. I don't mind Watchtower Chloe but I do feel like I was slapped in the face. Watchtower is a side job. She'll be bored most of the day.

I think "Turbulence" more than showed that "investigating" is no longer part of Chloe's general make up. I would also say that I disagree that this is a sudden change. Like others before me have said, since Chloe learned Clark's secret we've heard much more about her helping him than her writing stories. There were many stories Chloe couldn't print because of their subject matter, but how many stories would have been perfectly acceptable to print and she just simply didn't bother? Then Chloe herself makes that speech to Clark where she points out that knowing and helping him has shown her a whole new way of helping people and she wouldn't want to change it. Now she's decided that helping people is what she really wants to do above anything else. Far from lightswitching I think we've been seeing this build up for awhile.

Chloe wanted to be a reporter with the emphasis on the past tense. Now she's found something she finds infinitely more fulfilling. YMMV.

[Supsfan]

Chloe wanted to be a reporter with the emphasis on the past tense. Now she's found something she finds infinitely more fulfilling. YMMV.

I think the job fits hers skillset as well. Chloe was always shown behind computers for the most part and researching on them or hacking are what they shown us the past 7 seasons as her main "reporter" skills. Those skills can probably be better served at the Watchtower

[kal-el_Girl]

Honestly.....what they have been doing with Chloe has been the slap in the face for me.
I mean, the entire premise of this episode is that Chloe is sick of her life...and sometimes thinks about trading places with Lois. Coudl we get anymore pathetic?? :\

But the end of the episode...pure GOLD! :D
For the first time...in a very long time, Chloe was serving a greater purpose and truly happy doing it.

Far from ruining the character...IMO, quite the opposite.

I totally agree, they finally game chloe a purpose other than wishing for clark to look at her.

[thehenry89]

I'm glad chloe's finally doing something she's always wanted, and more power to her.

[Supsfan]

I'm glad chloe's finally doing something she's always wanted, and more power to her.

Actually after watching the Lana arc, I really don't want Chloe with to much Powers

[superjude]

They just made it possible for Chloe to be saved. They gave her a new purpose in life. And can I dare say that they may have just brought her character into the Superman/ Justice League mythos? I am no longer as certain as I was, that she will be one of the 2 victims!! I was one of the people who likes Chloe but did not have much hope for her character. Now, I hope even more that she is going to be in Season 9, along with Jimmy, Clark and LOis, and the Justice League!!! Her skills as a computer whizz is going to be put to great use and she is more of a hero to me than Lana would be even with that green k suit. I, for one am very happy about her change. WatchTower- how absolutely PROUD of Chloe we should be. ( let's hope that she is now undercover during her Davis/Intergang phase, and that there is more to the Jimmy issue yet to be explained).

[eolhc]

I think this is much greater than being a reporter.

Reporter only reported it, Watchtower help to prevent it.

Which is more great thing to do?

This is coming from Chloe advise to clark, to step up, and not only reporting it, but to take some action, involve with the things happen.

Saying that, make her realize, she NEEDS to wAKE up and do more great things.

As a chloe fan for 8 years, Im so PROUD of Chloe today!

She's 1 of the Superhero now. THATS more greater than being a reporter. So i think she made a VERY good decision, joining clark and the rest to save the world.
"She dont want to hide behind the ball pen". She wants to be the subject.

YAY to my 1st post!

['Tonio09]

I actually thought that TPTB actually gave Chloe some importance in the future. As long as she doesn't die, she'll be right there with the Justice League and Clark for many years to come.


ITA.
Those days when Chloe investigated and reported were good, but like a few have you have said on here, she seemed to get more out of helping Clark and Oliver. I dont think its bad that she's letting journalism go. (But that idea about her reporting in Gotham was a good idea.) Besides, I think her being a reporter would take from Lois a little, so IMO this is a smart on Chloe's part.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

I meant not ooc Chloe.
Has it? All I got was Chloe didn't want to look to the past which makes sense but being a writer isn't exactly something you get rid of. My sister used to be a journalist but switched careers like Chloe. However she hasn't gotten rid of the writer in her. Infact it helps her in her job.

And the majority of the skills Chloe had in her reporting days will help her in her job as Watchtower. She has investigating skills. She has computer hacking skills. She knows how to follow leads. She knows how to talk to people to get answers. She has dealt with the meteor infected and aliens and alien technology and superheroes. She'll be able to document all the work of the League for future missions.

How exactly are all those things out of character for Chloe? So she doesn't get her name on a byline. Big deal. She has a higher calling than being a reporter now. Her life has changed and started changing the second she knew Clark's secret and became a part of his secret life. By giving up the Chloe Sullivan byline and doing the work she does with the League anonymously as Watchtower she is working for the greater good in a way she never could as a reporter. If she'd written under a pseudonym she would never have got the credit for her work either. Chloe has never struck me as someone who based the things she did on a need for recognition or glory.

[Billy Jor-El]

No way do I find Chloe ruined. Her reporter's life is, as she put it, someone else's now. And yet, Chloe will always be the truth seeking reporter, just not necessarily for a paper right now (I like the idea of her going to work for Gotham, though :) ). Her look as she and Oliver began Watchtower's work held a bit of the intensity of the Brainiac-posessed Chloe, not that I'm saying she's still posessed, but that her focus is so intense now, she is truly finding herself and her purpose (and BTW...it was yet again Chloe who saved/redeemed "normal" Clark into remembering his true destiny). Chloe is both Watchtower and the Protector, and I worship her for it ;)

[Supsfan]

(But that idea about her reporting in Gotham was a good idea.)

I heard the name Vicky Vale is up for grabs

[wingster55]

Hmm you have a good point cloisthelegendbegins.


I heard the name Vicky Vale is up for grabs


:lol:

[Crouching Lurker]

This was the ephiphany I was hoping for. It makes so much sense for her character. Even though she wanted to be a journalist all her life, things sometimes turn out very differently for us. She's actually been training for this job for years, IMO, between being Clark's sidekick and being a computer wiz. Being Watchtower suits her. She was very confident in the end, and knew this was her true calling.

[JennyMoon]

Chloe finally embracing her true self is a slap in the face? Um, okay. I disagree with the original poster completely. Chloe finally shined tonight.

[MrZeppo]

I actually liked the ending. It shows character progression and actually makes sense to me.

Since Chloe found out Clark's secret she has had a double identity too. The Chloe the world sees and the Chloe that Clark sees, the one that is a hero and helps heroes. She's like Clark. Rather than reporting about disasters, she rather be out there preventing them. Just like Clark, just like Lana, she wants to make a difference.

Faced with this choice, I'm glad Chloe chose to be Watchtower, a hero, rather than a reporter or therapist to meteor freaks. It's who she was born to be. It's one of the best parts of who she was, a result of one of the best things in her life, her friendship with Clark. She's made a huge difference in the world before turning 23, she wants to continue doing that.

[AChloeChick]

They didn't ruin anything for me by going the WatchTower route. In fact, I personally find it much more intriguing than her being a reporter. This will allow her to continue to grow into the awesome heroine I've always believed she is.

WatchTower is officially online! How awesome is that?

[eolhc]

WatchTower is officially online! How awesome is that?
FRIGGIN' awesome!

[Reporter]

I think it's somewhat sad that fans of a character define her by only one personality trait/aspect of her life.

I think it's a pretty big aspect of her life to disregard after so long.

And I feel like the only reason that she can't be a reporter anymore is because Lois and Clark have moved in. Which I know - was inevitable, but I just didn't expect for it to come with really bad storytelling in regards to wrapping up Chloe's reporting days. *shrugs*

I think I'll still enjoy Chloe as watchtower, but I understand completely why longtime fans of Chloe are annoyed and done with the show.

[smallvillerocks45]

I think it will all work out for her. Yes, she loved being a reporter, but once she discovered Clark's secret, she really became much better at hero support. Not only is she fantastic at it, she loves doing it and it gives her purpose. Besides, she can definitely use her tremendous reporting/sleuthing skills as Watchtower. My take is that her new job will require someone who is very resourceful - this has got her name written all over it. I haven't seen Chloe look this genuinely happy in a long time. Good for her!

[BackToTheLies]

I disagree, if anything, because I think it validated her long-term presence.

I actually think the way this was written is more than plausible and pretty down-to-earth (as much as you can be for a superpowers/magic tv show).

Chloe's been busy trying to forge a life for herself where she isn't always dependent on Clark and can enjoy a little mystery to herself. This was pretty much torn to pieces when Jimmy absolutely served her last episode. She's left at her birthday party with nothing but looking back at what could have been, when she sees Lois.

Plenty of people go through these experiences where your life, as your planned it and worked pretty damn hard for, just doesn't go to plan. Your biggest challenge is just to stay open so the answers can come to you.

Indeed it was pretty pathetic for Chloe to be left wishing she could be like Lois but she had more than enough reason to be at that point. She had no job (still living off the Lana divorce proceedings from Lex at the Isis....how long was that supposed to last?) no purpose, and no husband. It'd be a strong person not be left found pathetic for "just a moment" (as she was so keen to emphasise to Zatanna).

Now I think the big emphasis on the ending with the music and everything (which I thought was unneccessary but i'm not the biggest Chloe fan by any means) was a headnod to Chloe's most ardent supporters and finally some proof you all wanted that Chloe isn't a Smallville eight season veteran for nothing. She's not just there to be the water carrier to Lois' canonised role. Indeed, she may even survive this season after I was starting to believe she was going to get killed off.

The only thing I'm left shaking my head at is the drastic turn she is going to take from officially joining up to the Justice League to harboring Doomsday within a handful of episodes. I wonder how that is going to work?

[ChlarkerFan]

They didn't ruin anything for me by going the WatchTower route. In fact, I personally find it much more intriguing than her being a reporter. This will allow her to continue to grow into the awesome heroine I've always believed she is.

WatchTower is officially online! How awesome is that?

AChloeChick - I couldn't agree more. I don't understand why some Chloe fans are so outraged with the episode. Maybe it's because I never bought the whole Chlois theory but I found this episode very entertaining and I love that they finally paid respect to Chloe Sullivan by distancing her from Lois Lane and making her character so badass. I mean, Chloe is the friggin' WatchTower!! That's amazing! I'm so happy! :)

[Bizarrolover]

Chloe has not showed interest in journalism since she learned about Clark's secret. That's what ruined her career forever. Seasons 6 and 7 she spent more time working for him than doing a good job at the Planet. She even seemed bored and uninterested in her day time job and gave up everything for him. I think the moments where I've seen her more enthusiastic about her life was when she worked for the JL in S6 and when she helped Oliver in Siren. the rest was just done in auto pilot. She loves working with heroes and I think that gives her a new motivation in her life. This will allow her to do something that she likes that doesn not exclusively orbitate around Clark. Now I think that her character actually has a point, because Chloe, as a reporter, would never work when her first priority in life is to serve Clark's interests.

[Mickey_Bickey]

They ruined nothing. This episode was outstanding! Chloe's character actually came out looking confident, content and strong!! I loved that scene where she said "Watchtower is officially online"!

They put the big kobosh on the Chlois theory last night finally. :D I for one am happy about that. It finally lets the entire audience know once and for all (as if it wasn't evident before) that there's "only one Lois Lane".

I would love to see Chloe in the future in the episodes with the rest of the JLA, and perhaps she could even start a romance with Bart. He's always liked her!

[kiariclois]

Her character is ruined... and I don't really care. lol

If they screw Clark, Lois and Jimmy... that's when I care. Hell, I even care about Lana and her exit still pissed me off. They're all iconic, for goodness sakes.

[stenochick]

I disagree, if anything, because I think it validated her long-term presence.

I actually think the way this was written is more than plausible and pretty down-to-earth (as much as you can be for a superpowers/magic tv show).

Chloe's been busy trying to forge a life for herself where she isn't always dependent on Clark and can enjoy a little mystery to herself. This was pretty much torn to pieces when Jimmy absolutely served her last episode. She's left at her birthday party with nothing but looking back at what could have been, when she sees Lois.

Plenty of people go through these experiences where your life, as your planned it and worked pretty damn hard for, just doesn't go to plan. Your biggest challenge is just to stay open so the answers can come to you.

Indeed it was pretty pathetic for Chloe to be left wishing she could be like Lois but she had more than enough reason to be at that point. She had no job (still living off the Lana divorce proceedings from Lex at the Isis....how long was that supposed to last?) no purpose, and no husband. It'd be a strong person not be left found pathetic for "just a moment" (as she was so keen to emphasise to Zatanna).

Now I think the big emphasis on the ending with the music and everything (which I thought was unneccessary but i'm not the biggest Chloe fan by any means) was a headnod to Chloe's most ardent supporters and finally some proof you all wanted that Chloe isn't a Smallville eight season veteran for nothing. She's not just there to be the water carrier to Lois' canonised role. Indeed, she may even survive this season after I was starting to believe she was going to get killed off.

The only thing I'm left shaking my head at is the drastic turn she is going to take from officially joining up to the Justice League to harboring Doomsday within a handful of episodes. I wonder how that is going to work?

Well said. ITA.

Since when did newspaper reporting become the end all and be all? Especially in light of the fact that one is the companion of aliens and superheroes?

Newspapers are dying in this country. The only reason one figures so prominently into Smallville is that the Daily Planet is synonomous with Clark Kent and Lois Lane. This is a carry-over from a generation come and gone. In this internet age, does it make any logical sense that Clark would choose a newspaper as his base of operation? The only sense it makes is in forming his "mild-mannered reporter" persona.

There is no logical reason for Chloe Sullivan, a 21st century character, to work as a newspaper reporter. She has so many other gifts and talents.

[myankskent]

I agree. These passions and dreams you have in your adolescence are sometimes changed by your experiences as you grow older. Everything that happened to Chloe with her abilities and all has changed the person that she was, and I think she has finally found the place where she belongs. A place where she can use all her intellect and skills for a bigger purpose.

Agreed. I think that it is also important to note that Chloe had a choice about what she wanted to do in this episode. If she wanted to go back to reporting, she could've done so. Nobody was forcing her to do anything and I wish that all of the characters on this show were written like that. She got to decide what made her happy and she went for it.

[Krypton935]

I think I may be done. :(

see ya!

[Hopefulsuicide]

Seriously show. She went from aspiring to becoming a reporter since she could talk. We have been shown this for the past seven years. It is her idenity (her words). Yet for all that effort its all tossed away this year in one sentence in Plastique. She randomly tosses it away for working in all places, the Isis foundation. Without another look back.

She is under the control of Brianiac for much of the year, doing a job she is crappy at. Only now in yet another randomly placed scene, she reiterates she doesn't have any inclination whatsoever to go back reporting and instead wants to devote herself to becoming Watchtower.

While on page it seems more fitting and noble, it comes as too little too late in my book, because they wasted Chloe's time this year if it only means come a few episodes from now she may be killed off.

What an awesome fitting to this once great character. Meanwhile people like Lana go out with the glory, yet Chloe has to settle. I'd rather see her reporting in Gotham City or another city if this show is incapable of allowing more than one strong opinionated reporter female on the show.

I think I may be done. :(

Few points to make...

1. Lana went out with glory? I thought she went out like snot dribbling out of my nose... Her ending was awful! She went insane and nearly killed herself just so she could be in Clark's league cause she was jelous of his power and the fact she couldn't really be close too him in terms of heroics. The she absorbed Kryptonite... that's sooooo not glory!

2. I've wanted to be a reporter since i was little too. In fact, when i was growing up i saw myself as Chloe. But if i was presented with opportunities too actually help people (like Isis or Watchtower or CK's sidekick) I'd take em too. I have total respect for her always using what she can do to help the most people possible. It's not taking down her character, it's sticking to it!

3. She has been very important this season. She and Davis' connection has been one of the main focuses. So to say they wasted her this season is a bit of a stretch.

[dlreinke]

I really think Chloe supporters deserved more respect! Seriously, The assassination of Chloe's character is undeniable too me! They are trying to disguise it well! But it's there. These show is just replacing everthing she once was! It's sad and infurieting!:mad:

[ChlarkerFan]

I really think Chloe supporters deserved more respect! Seriously, The assassination of Chloe's character is undeniable too me! They are trying to disguise it well! But it's there. These show is just replacing everthing she once was! It's sad and infurieting!:mad:

I don't see it that way. If you've held onto your view of Chloe seasons 1-3 then then yes I can see last night doing that but since season 4 and forward Chloe has changed and the watch tower role fits her really well. I loved the last scene; it gave me chills.

----- Added 55 Seconds later -----


Few points to make...

1. Lana went out with glory? I thought she went out like snot dribbling out of my nose... Her ending was awful! She went insane and nearly killed herself just so she could be in Clark's league cause she was jelous of his power and the fact she couldn't really be close too him in terms of heroics. The she absorbed Kryptonite... that's sooooo not glory!



That was kind of mean and yet it fits. Clana got the worst ending to date. And the sad thing is that PS3 and KK thought it was great.

[Supsfan]

I don't see it that way. If you've held onto your view of Chloe seasons 1-3 then then yes I can see last night doing that but since season 4 and forward Chloe has changed and the watch tower role fits her really well. I loved the last scene; it gave me chills.

I agree, I think the ending did make sense if you don't watch the show with the expectations that Chloe must end up a reporter, the Watchtower role is more in line with what she has been doing since Season 5(and you could argue season 4 as well)

[Sunny8]

I like Chloe better as Watchtower than as a reporter. As a reporter she was known alienating people and being really annoying to a lot of people. I like her as Watchtower...

ITA. I am excited about her being Watchtower.

[Solisfanfic19]

chloe is my favorite character. it is not because she has a "finely tuned wierdar" or because of her journalistic tendencies, it is because she has always been there for clark, good and bad times, lana was just useless. (by the way, chloe totally kicked butt with the brainiac download)

[Hopefulsuicide]

I don't see it that way. If you've held onto your view of Chloe seasons 1-3 then then yes I can see last night doing that but since season 4 and forward Chloe has changed and the watch tower role fits her really well. I loved the last scene; it gave me chills.


I hold onto Chloe from the Pilot! And i still think Watchtower is the best thing to have ever happened to Chloe. We knew from the beginning that her cousin would end up being a better reporter than her. And i prefer to think that it was Chloe's choice to get out of the reporting game and do something more with her life, than to simply think she was beaten. She was way better than that :)



That was kind of mean and yet it fits. Clana got the worst ending to date. And the sad thing is that PS3 and KK thought it was great.

It's scary, because if they think THAT showed heroism, what the hell are they gonna have Clark do next?

[cksidekick]

People keep talking about the end of season 4 and into 5. This is the point where Chloe's priorities changed. She started out looking for stories to share with the general public. She started out sharing secrets. Now keeping secrets is far more important to her.

She has gone from BFF to sidekick to Super Hero. Or at least now she will be sidekick for a whole TEAM of Heros. Isn't that the expected evolution of a sidekick? Assuming they survive long enough, they eventually go out on their own with a new identity.

I am as big a Chloe fan as anyone and since season 6 "Justice" I have believed this is exactly how the character should evolve. She can't go out into the city and fight like the rest of them, but she can do "Chloe stuff".


Watchtower is online!

[AgentChaos]

I hold onto Chloe from the Pilot! And i still think Watchtower is the best thing to have ever happened to Chloe. We knew from the beginning that her cousin would end up being a better reporter than her. And i prefer to think that it was Chloe's choice to get out of the reporting game and do something more with her life, than to simply think she was beaten. She was way better than that :)

I'm going to disagree with the notion that Lois was always going to end up being the better reporter. I still don't think she is that good of a reporter, and all the apparent praise for her work at the beginning of the ep just seemed to come out of nowhere, because they haven't shown us much of Lois being a good reporter.

And I disagree with the idea that Chloe simply chose to leave the journalism game, at least not when she left the DP. At the time of her firing in Descent, she may have been giving some consideration to leaving the DP and maybe working for another paper until Lex was gone. But she wouldn't have gone through with it in the end. Lex was the one who forced her out. And she had bigger problems to worry about at the time.

However, I do agree that the WatchTower job, while not the dream job Chloe once wanted, is a bigger prize, for lack of a better term, for her. It doesn't come with fame or Pulitzer Prizes, but the rewards and the impact on the world are greater. It probably pays better, too, although I seriously doubt that's Chloe's first priority.

[Pantalaimon]

Hmmm, I think she has found something bigger than being a journalist.

Whether you like it or not, Chloe has always been 'the sidekick', under the title of journalist. They've taken that 'sidekick' thing and are trying to make it into something cool. I've still to see if they can make the watchtower role into an actual job worthy of Chloe as an individual character rather than a mere sidekick, but I guess I can see her as a superhero in her own right (one without superpowers, but amazing abilities still).

[amberdawn]

I actually thought that TPTB actually gave Chloe some importance in the future. As long as she doesn't die, she'll be right there with the Justice League and Clark for many years to come.

Agreed.

They've certainly made mistakes with her in the past, but I don't think this is one. She's a far cry from the reporter she was in the first episode.

[carm]

While I'm not entirely happy that Chloe is WatchTower I don't think they've ruined her character by not making her a journalist. She was still in school when she had aspirations to become a journalist but so much has happened throughout the years which made her realise there were other ways through which she could help people, discover the truth and fight for justice. She has found a new way to use her skills and abilties and there is nothing wrong with that. In life lots of people start out on one career path and end up somewhere completely different, sometimes for the best and other times with unfortunate consequences . Only time will tell what happens to Chloe in her role as WatchTower.

[Kryptochloe]

I don't think they are ruining her character... yet (still don't know what's happening on next eps).
I looove Chloe Watchtower:D, cause clearly she has grown to be more than just simply a reporter... she's Hero material...

But I totally understand Chloe-fans who are upset.
What I didn't like is that it wasn't showed onscreen a clear explanation about why Chloe decide to walk away from journalism. The "never returning to journalism" was too much... She could do both things... So I can see this is a way to take her out from Mythos's places...:rolleyes:

And it will bother me if the showrunners won't show much (or nothing at all) of Chloe in Watchtower duties on next eps on this season or next, because it will be really stupid after the excitement is happening about Chloe working with JLA, and especially if they are thinking about killing her... absolutely stupid, and disrespectful, because What? I have to be happy for life with only 1,53 minutes of Chloe Watchtower??? Im happy now, but Im expecting more and more of this...

What I think is really being ruined is Chloe /Clark relationship... is like PS3 are trying to make us forget about everything Chlark has been going through since the beggining, and that Clark is just leaving Chloe behind... At list this is how I felt with "Hex"... and I don't like it...:(

['Tonio09]

People keep talking about the end of season 4 and into 5. This is the point where Chloe's priorities changed. She started out looking for stories to share with the general public. She started out sharing secrets. Now keeping secrets is far more important to her.

She has gone from BFF to sidekick to Super Hero. Or at least now she will be sidekick for a whole TEAM of Heros. Isn't that the expected evolution of a sidekick? Assuming they survive long enough, they eventually go out on their own with a new identity.

I am as big a Chloe fan as anyone and since season 6 "Justice" I have believed this is exactly how the character should evolve. She can't go out into the city and fight like the rest of them, but she can do "Chloe stuff".


Watchtower is online!

Well said! I agree!

[Bizarrolover]

I don't think they are ruining her character... yet (still don't know what's happening on next eps).
I looove Chloe Watchtower:D, cause clearly she has grown to be more than just simply a reporter... she's Hero material...
But I totally understand Chloe-fans who are upset.
What I didn't like is that it wasn't showed onscreen a clear explanation about why Chloe decide to walk away from journalism. The "never returning to journalism" was too much... She can do both things if she wants... So I can see this is a way to take her out from Mythos's places...:rolleyes:

And it will bother me if the showrunners won't show much (or nothing at all) of Chloe in Watchtower duties on next eps on this season or next, because it will be really stupid after the excitement is happening about Chloe working with JLA, and especially if they are thinking about killing her... absolutely stupid, and disrespectful, because What? I have to be happy for life with only 1,53 minutes of Chloe Watchtower??? Im happy now, but Im expecting more and more of this...

What I think is really being ruined is Chloe /Clark relationship... is like PS3 are trying to make us forget about everything Chlark has been going through since the beggining, and that Clark is just leaving Chloe behind... At list this is how I felt with "Hex"... and I don't like it...:(

While I agree with you in some things you said, I can't agree in the part that says that being a reporter is simple. Maybe being an average/bad reporter that only writes obits is simple, but being an intrepid reporter and Pulitzer winner demands a lot of commitment and personal sacrifice, just like being a watchtower does. Lois drops everything to go after a story while Chloe drops everything to help superheros on duty. I don't think it's one character moving aside so the other can shine, is about both doing what they do best.

If Chloe goes into full watchtower mode, she'll have to organize and coordinate world wide missions that can last several days and be available for League whenever they need her. It's a full time job, just like reporting for a big newspaper is. She can't do both, at least not effectively. So, by saying she can do both, you are undervaluating the importance and degree of commitment these two jobs have.

I think that's why she failed at the Planet during the short time she was there. She was more committed to Clark and his hero stuff than the newspaper she was writing for. She dropped everything to help him, and that resented her performance as a journalist. And I don't think it's a conspiracy to take her character down and build up Lois', I think Chloe did it because this is what she loves, because I've seen her glowing with happiness and pride every time she had to work with the League or with Clark. I think that's what she likes best.

Unlike you, I think the watchotwer thing will bring her even closer to clark. Now they are members of the JL and they'll be working together in the same team.

I like this sudden turn on her character, and it actually makes me optimistic about her coming back for season 9. I can't wait to see how it will fit with the Davis/Doomy arc.

[Pantalaimon]

And it will bother me if the showrunners won't show much (or nothing at all) of Chloe in Watchtower duties on next eps on this season or next, because it will be really stupid after the excitement is happening about Chloe working with JLA, and especially if they are thinking about killing her... absolutely stupid, and disrespectful, because What? I have to be happy for life with only 1,53 minutes of Chloe Watchtower??? Im happy now, but Im expecting more and more of this...(
I do hope they make those duties interesting. Watching Chloe doing her thing with the earpiece is only interesting for so long.

BTW. What if Chloe does die and they bring her back as some sort of VI? I don't think I would be too happy about it but it is certainly a possibility. Wasn't the original watchtower a computer?

[SupaBoy]

I disagree.
I don't thnk they ruined her.
They have probably just given her a whole new storyline.
I mean come on. A sidekick or whatever to the JLA thats something to boast about.
She can now do something which she beleives in, i think she has always wanted to do what Clark could do, save lifes, be appart of something big that will change the world, now she is:)

[Kryptochloe]

While I agree with you in some things you said, I can't agree in the part that says that being a reporter is simple. Maybe being an average/bad reporter that only writes obits is simple, but being an intrepid reporter and Pulitzer winner demands a lot of commitment and personal sacrifice, just like being a watchtower does. Lois drops everything to go after a story while Chloe drops everything to help superheros on duty. I don't think it's one character moving aside so the other can shine, is about both doing what they do best.

Wrong word simple.. my bad. Im not trying to diminished the journalist work.. What I tried to say is that she has a bigger purpose in life... like what she said to Clark about get the bad guys and not only write about them (don't remember the exact quote). For me, that aplies to her too.


If Chloe goes into full watchtower mode, she'll have to organize and coordinate world wide missions that can last several days and be available for League whenever they need her. It's a full time job, just like reporting for a big newspaper is. She can't do both, at least not effectively. So, by saying she can do both, you are undervaluating the importance and degree of commitment these two jobs have.

I think that's why she failed at the Planet during the short time she was there. She was more committed to Clark and his hero stuff than the newspaper she was writing for. She dropped everything to help him, and that resented her performance as a journalist. And I don't think it's a conspiracy to take her character down and build up Lois', I think Chloe did it because this is what she loves, because I've seen her glowing with happiness and pride every time she had to work with the League or with Clark. I think that's what she likes best.

That's the only thing that bothers me.. the show never actually showed that she failed at her DP's job. She was fired for other reasons, and she never came back cause she never wanted, but it wasn't clear for her and for her fans why she never wanted to come back...


Unlike you, I think the watchotwer thing will bring her even closer to clark. Now they are members of the JL and they'll be working together in the same team.

I like this sudden turn on her character, and it actually makes me optimistic about her coming back for season 9. I can't wait to see how it will fit with the Davis/Doomy arc.

Well, I think they are not going to be closer... because that's exactly what PS3 are trying to do...

[Lauren_17]

To quote Chloe:
"We all know what we want. We just have to listen."
Chloe listened.

[abbaspice1]

While I agree with you in some things you said, I can't agree in the part that says that being a reporter is simple. Maybe being an average/bad reporter that only writes obits is simple, but being an intrepid reporter and Pulitzer winner demands a lot of commitment and personal sacrifice, just like being a watchtower does. Lois drops everything to go after a story while Chloe drops everything to help superheros on duty. I don't think it's one character moving aside so the other can shine, is about both doing what they do best.

If Chloe goes into full watchtower mode, she'll have to organize and coordinate world wide missions that can last several days and be available for League whenever they need her. It's a full time job, just like reporting for a big newspaper is. She can't do both, at least not effectively. So, by saying she can do both, you are undervaluating the importance and degree of commitment these two jobs have.

I think that's why she failed at the Planet during the short time she was there. She was more committed to Clark and his hero stuff than the newspaper she was writing for. She dropped everything to help him, and that resented her performance as a journalist. And I don't think it's a conspiracy to take her character down and build up Lois', I think Chloe did it because this is what she loves, because I've seen her glowing with happiness and pride every time she had to work with the League or with Clark. I think that's what she likes best.

Unlike you, I think the watchotwer thing will bring her even closer to clark. Now they are members of the JL and they'll be working together in the same team.

I like this sudden turn on her character, and it actually makes me optimistic about her coming back for season 9. I can't wait to see how it will fit with the Davis/Doomy arc.


Perfectly stated.

[devilneedsaride]

I'm one of the few who didn't really like this change. It's partially because I love Chloe as a reporter, and partially because they gave no good reason for it.

She's been wildly passionate about reporting since she was what? Fourteen? Earlier? She was pursuing it single-mindedly for the first seven seasons of the show. I disagree that she hasn't cared about it since she found out Clark's secret. Somebody who didn't care about having that career would not spend two years fetching coffee and toiling away in the DP basement looking for a break. And then she gets fired, not even because her job performance sucks or anything but for personal reasons, and she drops it like a hot potato? Since when has Chloe run away from a fight? I just don't buy that as a legitimate character thing. She needs a dang reason for giving up.

For me it's less that being a reporter defined her as a character and more that her character defined her as a reporter, if that makes any sense. She's passionate, she's curious, smart, good with words, and dedicated to the truth. She was ideally suited to the profession and she LOVED it, and she really threw her whole self into it. Since the beginning of season 8, her whole character has had a sudden and dramatic makeover (that was OOC imo), and she's just not the same Chloe we knew and loved in the earlier seasons. She's lost her passion, her spunk. I think it's that more than the label of reporter that bugs me about this. I loved the old Chloe and I want her back!

Don't get me wrong, though. If she can't be a reporter, I'm very happy that she's officially Watchtower now. I thought the last words of this episode were great, I just wish it didn't have to come at the expense of a more multi-dimensional character.

[Tatiana]

I liked it a lot actually, I thought it fit her character real well, she is making the news as much as the heroes are. I loved how she told Clark that on the roof when he was as Lois, so the fact that in the end she is part of that world and she is also making the news not just reporting them, really gave her another level of importance. I thought she looked cool too and I liked the song in the end, total female power.

[Jack-El49]

Hmmm, I think she has found something bigger than being a journalist.

Whether you like it or not, Chloe has always been 'the sidekick', under the title of journalist. They've taken that 'sidekick' thing and are trying to make it into something cool. I've still to see if they can make the watchtower role into an actual job worthy of Chloe as an individual character rather than a mere sidekick, but I guess I can see her as a superhero in her own right (one without superpowers, but amazing abilities still).

It seems to me that she's decided to be more than a sidekick to Clark and found a way to use her latent computer talents in a way that serves the greater good far more than she could have done as a reporter. The Daily Planet may have been her top pick for newspapers but let's face it, it's not the only newspaper in the world. She could just as easily left for another newspaper. Instead, she hangs in Metropolis to be close to and work side-by-side wtih Clark (and I didn't quite buy or believe MF counselor).

Now, she'll work side-by-side with Clark as Watchtower and do great things. If journalism was so friggin' important, write for another paper. But obviously, journalism wasn't on the top of her priority list, no matter how badly she wanted it in high school.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

What I tried to say is that she has a bigger purpose in life... like what she said to Clark about get the bad guys and not only write about them (don't remember the exact quote). For me, that aplies to her too.

ITA with this. She has the same opportunity as Clark in a sense (and as she said to him): Not to be the person who sits behind a desk reporting disasters - instead doing something to stop them from happening.

[costas22]

Hey Annie!Where have you been!Enjoyed Hex?Chloe seemingly does move on to bigger and better things,but i can understand every longtime fan who is still having trouble getting used to her without the desire to pursue journalism.

[Jack-El49]

ITA with this. She has the same opportunity as Clark in a sense (and as she said to him): Not to be the person who sits behind a desk reporting disasters - instead doing something to stop them from happening.

Absolutely right - and this is what transformed her because she didn't want the wish of being Lois anymore.

[Meteror Freak]

I thought the episode made Chloe look quite awesome. She spends her time with superheroes now, helping the world. She loves her life. She feels like she's on the right track.

[melissan02]

I actually thought that TPTB actually gave Chloe some importance in the future. As long as she doesn't die, she'll be right there with the Justice League and Clark for many years to come.
I agree, matt!
I was thrilled when Chloe officially signed-on at the end of Hex as Watchtower!:) She proclaimed right then and there she knew her purpose and stated it was what she wanted for her life!
I have a feeling that Chloe will be part of next season in the capacity of Watchtower. I don't see what the complaining is all about? Apparently she won't die and she's doing what she wants to do and honestly, for an non-canon character, it's the only feasible thing to do w/ her considering "there's only one Lois Lane" [Clark's words!;)]

[Jack-El49]

I agree, matt!
I was thrilled when Chloe officially signed-on at the end of Hex as Watchtower!:) She proclaimed right then and there she knew her purpose and stated it was what she wanted for her life!
I have a feeling that Chloe will be part of next season in the capacity of Watchtower. I don't see what the complaining is all about? Apparently she won't die and she's doing what she wants to do and honestly, for an non-canon character, it's the only feasible thing to do w/ her Chloe considering "there's only one Lois Lane" [Clark's words!;)]

Ditto - it sets AM up perfectly to remain relevent to the story as a canon character instead of a SV creation.

[Sports72Xtrm]

DP is for real world news, not a high school pamphlet. Chloe doesn't belong there. She has no networking skills as evidence with her interaction Lois' cop buddy.

[dreamsofnever]

Honestly.....what they have been doing with Chloe has been the slap in the face for me.
I mean, the entire premise of this episode is that Chloe is sick of her life...and sometimes thinks about trading places with Lois. Coudl we get anymore pathetic?? :\

But the end of the episode...pure GOLD! :D
For the first time...in a very long time, Chloe was serving a greater purpose and truly happy doing it.

Far from ruining the character...IMO, quite the opposite.

Well said, Andi!

So, I'm going to come from the perspective of someone who fully and truly believed she had found her calling in life and found out otherwise.

I figured out my 'calling' around my sophomore year of high school. I got into my sophomore year of college and figured out that I wasn't happy in my chosen career path. I spent quite a bit of time drifting (similar to Chloe's drifting this year) only to realize that my calling was very different than what I originally intended.

Without making this too much about me, I was extremely happy to leave my old dream behind to pursue my new dream.

I think what Chloe's going through is a very real, very adult feeling.

Not many of us figure out what we want to do when we're still children. Instead, we develop a dream when we're children and by the time we've reached adulthood, we realize that there is something even bigger and more tailored to our personality out there.

I think what Chloe's doing now goes beyond reporting on the personal fulfillment level.

I loved the last scene because she seemed to have found a larger purpose for her life and it's something she has demonstrated great skill with and something that is a very worthy cause.

I have personally seen Chloe's interest in journalism wane since she learned Clark's secret. To her, helping Clark (and other heroes) has been number one priority.

But that's just my own opinion, based on my own personal experiences. Everyone is going to have a different take on this new direction for Chloe.

[Jack-El49]

Well said, Andi!

I think what Chloe's doing now goes beyond reporting on the personal fulfillment level.

I loved the last scene because she seemed to have found a larger purpose for her life and it's something she has demonstrated great skill with and something that is a very worthy cause.

I have personally seen Chloe's interest in journalism wane since she learned Clark's secret. To her, helping Clark (and other heroes) has been number one priority.

But that's just my own opinion, based on my own personal experiences. Everyone is going to have a different take on this new direction for Chloe.

I couldn't agree more. IMO, Chloe is at the level of self-actualization on Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs. Not only has she finally realized what she wants to do with her life, she's actually getting the opportunity to do it.

Just because as a child you always wanted to be something doesn't mean as an adult, it's realistic or that great. Once you grow up and realize what really makes you happy and fulfilled, you're lucky if you can even get close to doing it. Chloe is living her dream now but it's an adult dream, not a childhood one.

[melissan02]

I couldn't agree more. IMO, Chloe is at the level of self-actualization on Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs. Not only has she finally realized what she wants to do with her life, she's actually getting the opportunity to do it.

Just because as a child you always wanted to be something doesn't mean as an adult, it's realistic or that great. Once you grow up and realize what really makes you happy and fulfilled, you're lucky if you can even get close to doing it. Chloe is living her dream now but it's an adult dream, not a childhood one.

Jack, that's probably the most insightful, profound post ever made on this board! :lol:
The doctor is in!!!!:p

[Jack-El49]

Jack, that's probably the most insightful, profound post ever made on this board! :lol:
The doctor is in!!!!:p



Thanks. Call me when you're ready for that physical exam!;)

[dreamsofnever]

I couldn't agree more. IMO, Chloe is at the level of self-actualization on Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs. Not only has she finally realized what she wants to do with her life, she's actually getting the opportunity to do it.

Just because as a child you always wanted to be something doesn't mean as an adult, it's realistic or that great. Once you grow up and realize what really makes you happy and fulfilled, you're lucky if you can even get close to doing it. Chloe is living her dream now but it's an adult dream, not a childhood one.

Thanks Jack! You boiled that down to a few sentences whereas it took me a whole paragraph to say. I always was too wordy for my own good! :D


Thanks. Call me when you're ready for that physical exam!;)

:rotfl::rotfl:

[Jack-El49]

Thanks Jack! You boiled that down to a few sentences whereas it took me a whole paragraph to say. I always was too wordy for my own good! :D


:rotfl::rotfl:

That's not it, Kelly. It was just too important to pass by. I didn't want slow readers to be intimidated by your post. ;):rotfl:

[amberdawn]

Thanks. Call me when you're ready for that physical exam!;)

Oh dear :lol:

[dreamsofnever]

That's not it, Kelly. It was just too important to pass by. I didn't want slow readers to be intimidated by your post. ;):rotfl:

Aww, Jack, you are too sweet!

Either way, I appreciated your eloquent way of summing up the issue. :D

[geminis]

I don't see Chloe as pathetic at all. I see her as very human. In a moment of weakness she saw Lois as happy and fulfilled and single and working in her old dream job with her old crush and best friend Clark and wished her life were different.

In Smallville Chloe was a big fish editor/reporter in a little newspaper pond. At the Planet, well, you know. When she was fired from the Planet by Lex, she learned that there were other options open for her besides reporting, and was willing to try. The counseling started through helping an absent Lana and also answered her own need to understand her own abilities as well as do something she has always done; aid people in need. She also started working with Oliver on the sidelines as well as Clark. Because she is Chloe and loyal she didn't go to a competing newspaper, but instead made an adult choice and moved on. She also saw a need, and filled it.

I agree with Kelly, Chloe has always wanted to help Clark, now her superhero support has increased beyond just him and her youthful dreams have waned. Instead of reporting for the Planet on other people's actions, she is taking an active part in heroic deeds. Doesn't sound ruined to me.

I fully support Chloe in her actions, although I wish she and Jimmy would get a good marriage counselor. Marriage is a big and difficult commitment for anyone, but even more so when you're young. It also helps when you are happy with yourself; then you can be happy as a couple. I can see her as being happier and more fulfilled as the Watchtower. Unfortunately, it will also be another secret she has to keep from Jimmy, thus cementing the end of their marriage.

My opinion on Chloe: she's young, but able to make adult choices and is very human. No wonder Clark considers her his best friend. Viva Chloe!

[dreamsofnever]

I don't see Chloe as pathetic at all. I see her as very human. In a moment of weakness she saw Lois as happy and fulfilled and single and working in her old dream job with her old crush and best friend Clark and wished her life were different.

In Smallville Chloe was a big fish editor/reporter in a little newspaper pond. At the Planet, well, you know. When she was fired from the Planet by Lex, she learned that there were other options open for her besides reporting, and was willing to try. The counseling started through helping an absent Lana and also answered her own need to understand her own abilities as well as do something she has always done; aid people in need. She also started working with Oliver on the sidelines as well as Clark. Because she is Chloe and loyal she didn't go to a competing newspaper, but instead made an adult choice and moved on. She also saw a need, and filled it.

I agree with Kelly, Chloe has always wanted to help Clark, now her superhero support has increased beyond just him and her youthful dreams have waned. Instead of reporting for the Planet on other people's actions, she is taking an active part in heroic deeds. Doesn't sound ruined to me.

I fully support Chloe in her actions, although I wish she and Jimmy would get a good marriage counselor. Marriage is a big and difficult commitment for anyone, but even more so when you're young. It also helps when you are happy with yourself; then you can be happy as a couple. I can see her as being happier and more fulfilled as the Watchtower. Unfortunately, it will also be another secret she has to keep from Jimmy, thus cementing the end of their marriage.

My opinion on Chloe: she's young, but able to make adult choices and is very human. No wonder Clark considers her his best friend. Viva Chloe!

So well said, Ann!!

And I agree-Chloe and Jimmy need a good marriage counselor. They both agreed to get engaged and they both made those vows. So yeah, there's an issue... the first year of marriage IS the hardest because you almost always go into it with different expectations than what you get it. But the fact remains that you once believed there was a reason to make that commitment so you can either cut and run or make the effort and work through it.

(funny thing, my wonderful husband of a year and a half was really mad at Jimmy for running. lol. He said it was cheap of him to give up that quickly and he should be working on things first)

[keddy22]

I don't see Chloe as pathetic at all. I see her as very human. In a moment of weakness she saw Lois as happy and fulfilled and single and working in her old dream job with her old crush and best friend Clark and wished her life were different.

In Smallville Chloe was a big fish editor/reporter in a little newspaper pond. At the Planet, well, you know. When she was fired from the Planet by Lex, she learned that there were other options open for her besides reporting, and was willing to try. The counseling started through helping an absent Lana and also answered her own need to understand her own abilities as well as do something she has always done; aid people in need. She also started working with Oliver on the sidelines as well as Clark. Because she is Chloe and loyal she didn't go to a competing newspaper, but instead made an adult choice and moved on. She also saw a need, and filled it.

I agree with Kelly, Chloe has always wanted to help Clark, now her superhero support has increased beyond just him and her youthful dreams have waned. Instead of reporting for the Planet on other people's actions, she is taking an active part in heroic deeds. Doesn't sound ruined to me.

I fully support Chloe in her actions, although I wish she and Jimmy would get a good marriage counselor. Marriage is a big and difficult commitment for anyone, but even more so when you're young. It also helps when you are happy with yourself; then you can be happy as a couple. I can see her as being happier and more fulfilled as the Watchtower. Unfortunately, it will also be another secret she has to keep from Jimmy, thus cementing the end of their marriage.

My opinion on Chloe: she's young, but able to make adult choices and is very human. No wonder Clark considers her his best friend. Viva Chloe!

Yes, that's exactly how I perceived what's been going on with Chloe.

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So well said, Ann!!

And I agree-Chloe and Jimmy need a good marriage counselor. They both agreed to get engaged and they both made those vows. So yeah, there's an issue... the first year of marriage IS the hardest because you almost always go into it with different expectations than what you get it. But the fact remains that you once believed there was a reason to make that commitment so you can either cut and run or make the effort and work through it.

(funny thing, my wonderful husband of a year and a half was really mad at Jimmy for running. lol. He said it was cheap of him to give up that quickly and he should be working on things first)

LOL - and yes, first year of marriage is definitely the hardest! We're almost at our 2yr anniversary (this May). ;) So I'm right with you.

[LuthorKent90]

Seriously show. She went from aspiring to becoming a reporter since she could talk. We have been shown this for the past seven years. It is her idenity (her words). Yet for all that effort its all tossed away this year in one sentence in Plastique. She randomly tosses it away for working in all places, the Isis foundation. Without another look back.

She is under the control of Brianiac for much of the year, doing a job she is crappy at. Only now in yet another randomly placed scene, she reiterates she doesn't have any inclination whatsoever to go back reporting and instead wants to devote herself to becoming Watchtower.

While on page it seems more fitting and noble, it comes as too little too late in my book, because they wasted Chloe's time this year if it only means come a few episodes from now she may be killed off.

What an awesome fitting to this once great character. Meanwhile people like Lana go out with the glory, yet Chloe has to settle. I'd rather see her reporting in Gotham City or another city if this show is incapable of allowing more than one strong opinionated reporter female on the show.

I think I may be done. :(

I don't have a problem with her becoming watchtower.
But taking over Isis was definitely a very dull and ooc move for Chloe.


I guess I understand the sudden change, because no one really knew they would get a chance to make it so far into the series where they could pull off Clark working at the DP. Everyone on the show can't work there now.

Having her working with Oliver is much more interesting and honorable than sitting around a foundation that Lana started to originally spy on Lex with.

[dreamsofnever]

Yes, that's exactly how I perceived what's been going on with Chloe.

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LOL - and yes, first year of marriage is definitely the hardest! We're almost at our 2yr anniversary (this May). ;) So I'm right with you.

Ooh, congratulations!!

And welcome to K-site :)

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I don't have a problem with her becoming watchtower.
But taking over Isis was definitely a very dull and ooc move for Chloe.


I guess I understand the sudden change, because no one really knew they would get a chance to make it so far into the series where they could pull off Clark working at the DP. Everyone on the show can't work there now.

Having her working with Oliver is much more interesting and honorable than sitting around a foundation that Lana started to originally spy on Lex with.

I think the Isis move could have been pulled off with much more grace than it was. But perhaps the writers wanted us to feel it wasn't Chloe's calling.

I agree that the foundation was originally set up to spy on Lex, and unfortunately never amounted to much. It was a great idea in the base theory of what it was supposed to do though.

Ah well... the way Allison played Chloe as Watchtower was an excitement we haven't seen from Chloe in so long and it was a breath of fresh air for me!

[keddy22]

Thanks for the welcome, dreamsofnever! :)

[AgentChaos]

DP is for real world news, not a high school pamphlet. Chloe doesn't belong there. She has no networking skills as evidence with her interaction Lois' cop buddy.

Considering that Chloe spent almost 3 years of her life at the DP, and only leaving because Lex fired her, I don't think it's fair to say she didn't belong there at one point in her journalism career.

No networking skills? How many times in the first few seasons did we hear about Chloe's various contacts she had? Quite a few, IIRC.

[Johniam22]

I'm torn with Chloe taking this whole watchtower role. Is it believable character progression? I suppose so. If this is the end of journalism for Chloe then to me it is feels so incomplete. I mean what about all the heavy foreshadowing from the past seasons that Chloe was suppose to be "working under the tiffany lamps." and "Destined to be a hot shot reporter at the Daily Planet." and "having no where to go but up,up,and away (in reference to her working her way up from the basement)." I kinda feel that I as a long time viewer have been cheated because I never actually got to see those things happen. We didn't get to see her working her way up from the basement and the successful reporter be fulfilled. Yes I know in real life people change directions,but this isn't real life. This is a story and when writers drop foreshadowing hints and show a character working towards a goal I should expect see it come in fruition on screen.YMMV

[ims001]

I have to wonder when people say Chloe is ruined, if they really mean it's their dream of Chlois that's been ruined?

I view the role of the JLA's Watchtower as being so much better (on every level) than being a reporter, that I can't help but wonder how anyone could consider it to be ruining Chloe. Except, of course, that it further separates her character from that of the iconic Lois Lane.

I think being Watchtower elevates Chloe to new heights.

I don't think it ruins Chlois, I think it drives a stake through the heart of Chlois. About that, I can only be thankful.

[actaeon]

I got a lot of foreshadowing that journalism was not Chloe's destiny-- ever since she learned Clark's secret. From that point on, her main goal was protecting his identity and concealing what was going on from the general public. And that was incompatible with her role as reporter.

She's not the same as she was in high school. She learned things, she adapted. I see nothing wrong with that. I certainly don't see how it in any sense diminishes the character.


Yes I know in real life people change directions,but this isn't real life. This is a story and when writers drop foreshadowing hints and show a character working towards a goal I should expect see it come in fruition on screen.YMMV
But people do change in fiction also. They adapt to situations, they learn, they change. This is character development. It happens particularly in the literary form known as "bildungsroman"-- the journey of a young person into adulthood. Which is precisely the time frame of Chloe's journey on this show.


Seriously show. She went from aspiring to becoming a reporter since she could talk. We have been shown this for the past seven years. It is her idenity (her words). Yet for all that effort its all tossed away this year in one sentence in Plastique. She randomly tosses it away for working in all places, the Isis foundation. Without another look back.
But she did have a look back. That was the point of Hex: she got a chance to live the life again for a day, and it gave her the perspective she needed to truly decide what she wants to do with her life. A magical second chance, just like in It's A Wonderful Life or A Christmas Carol.


She is under the control of Brianiac for much of the year,
I don't believe that's true. I think it's a misreading of the story line, that makes a hash of Chloe's journey this season.


Only now in yet another randomly placed scene, she reiterates she doesn't have any inclination whatsoever to go back reporting and instead wants to devote herself to becoming Watchtower.
I don't get why the scenes where Chloe re-thinks journalism are "randomly placed". They seem the logical expressions of an intelligent woman whose priorities have shifted over the past few years in response to new information, new events, and new ambitions.

What would be truly random in my book is if Chloe stuck with her high-school ambitions no matter what. If she didn't allow events in her life to change her priorities. Huge, earth-shaking events like the discovery that not only is there intelligent life in the universe, but her best friend was one of those aliens, here to save the planet!

Who wouldn't change their priorities in the face of something so huge?


Meanwhile people like Lana go out with the glory, yet Chloe has to settle. Settle for a life among the superheroes, helping save the universe? When she could be reporting on... what exactly? City council meetings? Because knowing what she knows, she can't truthfully report on the exciting stuff that goes down in Metropolis.



I think I may be done
A pity if folks give up in disgust. I think it's a mistake to want things to go a particular way too strongly, it's almost certain to disappoint. I too once saw Chloe as the epitome of journalism, it seemed to be her entire life. But I like this new Chloe too. I once saw Chloe as a proto-Lois too, but there are other, equally interesting directions this show took. I think it's better than ever, and Chloe has never been so full of potential. The Watchtower thing is huge.

[melissan02]

No networking skills? How many times in the first few seasons did we hear about Chloe's various contacts she had? Quite a few, IIRC.And those networking skills will now come in handy as she embarks on a new career as the Watchtower!;)

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I have to wonder when people say Chloe is ruined, if they really mean it's their dream of Chlois that's been ruined?
I think it's the latter.
Chloe hasn't been ruined by becoming the Watchtower, on the contrary, it provides the show a way to keep a non-canon character around and gives her something to do...which, by the proclamation she made to Oliver, is exactly what she wants.




I don't think it ruins Chlois, I think it drives a stake through the heart of Chlois. About that, I can only be thankful.
Yes, and Clark drove that "stake" in the other night during Hex (ending scene) when he said to Lois: "There is only ONE Lois Lane!";)

[Reporter]

No networking skills? How many times in the first few seasons did we hear about Chloe's various contacts she had? Quite a few, IIRC.

She had heaps.

I feel like Chloe will always be the better reporter based on the journey we saw. Lois seemed to have been throw into it and all of sudden is oh-so-fabulous at it. I needed to see more of Lois's journey to get there, considering it was a new thing for her.


I have to wonder when people say Chloe is ruined, if they really mean it's their dream of Chlois that's been ruined?

Reporting defined Chloe for a large part of the show. It wasn't everything, but she was the eager and enthusiastic journalist. After 7 years she gets fired and then we're just supposed to accept that she doesn't want it anymore?

I'm okay with the watchtower gig, at least for now - but I do feel like her character was cheated out of her dream to make room for Lois and Clark at the DP. And Chlois has nothing to do with it because I didn't think that would really ever happen.

[Jack-El49]

Yes, and Clark drove that "stake" in the other night during Hex (ending scene) when he said to Lois: "There is only ONE Lois Lane!";)

AMEN to that!

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She had heaps.

I feel like Chloe will always be the better reporter based on the journey we saw. Lois seemed to have been throw into it and all of sudden is oh-so-fabulous at it. I needed to see more of Lois's journey to get there, considering it was a new thing for her..

We all did - but with only 12 - 13 episodes given her a year, I guess it was tough wedging in her story.



Reporting defined Chloe for a large part of the show. It wasn't everything, but she was the eager and enthusiastic journalist. After 7 years she gets fired and then we're just supposed to accept that she doesn't want it anymore?

I'm okay with the watchtower gig, at least for now - but I do feel like her character was cheated out of her dream to make room for Lois and Clark at the DP. And Chlois has nothing to do with it because I didn't think that would really ever happen.

Or, the character was a place holder/substitute for the person who has held that position for the last 71 years and until restrictions were lifted, could not appear on SV.

[keddy22]

I got a lot of foreshadowing that journalism was not Chloe's destiny-- ever since she learned Clark's secret. From that point on, her main goal was protecting his identity and concealing what was going on from the general public. And that was incompatible with her role as reporter.

She's not the same as she was in high school. She learned things, she adapted. I see nothing wrong with that. I certainly don't see how it in any sense diminishes the character.


But people do change in fiction also. They adapt to situations, they learn, they change. This is character development. It happens particularly in the literary form known as "bildungsroman"-- the journey of a young person into adulthood. Which is precisely the time frame of Chloe's journey on this show.


But she did have a look back. That was the point of Hex: she got a chance to live the life again for a day, and it gave her the perspective she needed to truly decide what she wants to do with her life. A magical second chance, just like in It's A Wonderful Life or A Christmas Carol.


I don't believe that's true. I think it's a misreading of the story line, that makes a hash of Chloe's journey this season.


I don't get why the scenes where Chloe re-thinks journalism are "randomly placed". They seem the logical expressions of an intelligent woman whose priorities have shifted over the past few years in response to new information, new events, and new ambitions.

What would be truly random in my book is if Chloe stuck with her high-school ambitions no matter what. If she didn't allow events in her life to change her priorities. Huge, earth-shaking events like the discovery that not only is there intelligent life in the universe, but her best friend was one of those aliens, here to save the planet!

Who wouldn't change their priorities in the face of something so huge?

Settle for a life among the superheroes, helping save the universe? When she could be reporting on... what exactly? City council meetings? Because knowing what she knows, she can't truthfully report on the exciting stuff that goes down in Metropolis.



A pity if folks give up in disgust. I think it's a mistake to want things to go a particular way too strongly, it's almost certain to disappoint. I too once saw Chloe as the epitome of journalism, it seemed to be her entire life. But I like this new Chloe too. I once saw Chloe as a proto-Lois too, but there are other, equally interesting directions this show took. I think it's better than ever, and Chloe has never been so full of potential. The Watchtower thing is huge.

You make some great observations about Chloe and some interesting points. I think that because the character Chloe is non-canon that it gives the writers the creative freedom to take her journey anywhere! Which would give for more opportunities for interesting storytelling - that's just one of the benefits/gifts that Chloe brings to SV as a show. :)

[Reporter]

Or, the character was a place holder/substitute for the person who has held that position for the last 71 years and until restrictions were lifted, could not appear on SV.

And the mythos aren't everything to everyone. Chloe is still a character, and it was her dream to be a reporter. In the end it still comes down to that she can't be there because they are. I feel like they invested the audience in a character and her dream only to.. I don't know... wave it away. But that's JMO.

[Johniam22]

I got a lot of foreshadowing that journalism was not Chloe's destiny-- ever since she learned Clark's secret. From that point on, her main goal was protecting his identity and concealing what was going on from the general public. And that was incompatible with her role as reporter.
IMO there wasn't. There was no lines or the writers even hinting that she would become Watchtower. I mean they already built a overall goal for her and for what? Just so it can torn down in the end. They foreshadowed Lois to be a reporter and hey look it happened.



But people do change in fiction also. They adapt to situations, they learn, they change. This is character development. It happens particularly in the literary form known as "bildungsroman"-- the journey of a young person into adulthood. Which is precisely the time frame of Chloe's journey on this show.
I understand what your saying. But in a story things deserves payoff if you want to reward your readers/viewers. If Chloe would have became that successful journalist THEN decided to be Watchtower then fine.I really don't see why she can't do both. The whole theme this season is double identities. She could be reporter by day watchtower by night.

[Kryptochloe]

I'm one of the Die-hard Chloe fan who is happy with this new life as Watchtower, for reasons I already posted.

But I absolutely can understand those who are not happy. I've watched interesting opinions here, but I think the matter that is bothering some Chloe's fans is that what's happening with Chloe feels too rushed. I mean.. six or seven year of pursuing journalism, and it is supposed to be ok that we can learn about Chloe's change of gold on just one episode???

I know she is out from the DP for a long time, 'cause it seems she never wanted to come back.. but I don't think we actually saw on any previous episodes what was the reason for that. I agree with the ones who say that Chloe may be more interested on superhero's sidekick duties that the reporter job, but, if for so many years it was fully showed onscreen that she loved journalism, it was her dream, her main gold, the thing that defined her, it wouldn't have hurt watch her growing slowly apart from journalism, showing the reasons for that, her thoughts, her feelings about what was happening with her, instead of showing quickly all that in just one episode ( it should've felt natural...).

I know, I know... no reason for remaind me that this is Clark Kent's journey... not Chloe Sullivan's... But, if you have more than just one character on a tv show, you should be worried about give good developement to all characters...

I can figure that for non die-hard Chloe fans(DHChF) or not Chloe fans at all, is difficult to understand what DHChF are feeling. Guys, you are so lucky you have the mythos on your side!!!
But for us, it will always exist the"non-mythos stigmata" on Chloe, and right now, it really looks like they are just trying to take her out, 'cause supposedly she doesn't belong to the life Clark Kent is iniciating now...

So, despite for me being Watchtower is a winning price, I can see why for other people is just consolating price, because some must feel that they (PS3) put her there because that's the place where she can fit, and no interfere with Clark Kent's Superman journey, Clark-Lois interaction, and in definitive with the Mythos...

Is so sad that it looks like not the showrunners, not DC comics, want to embrace this beautiful character and make her part, but really make her part, of Clark's life from here and forward. Looks like she must be erased or pushed away...:(

[Herod]

What I don't understand is why so many people are so adamant about Chloe Sullivan deserving to work at the Daily Planet. If this is all just about Chloe keeping to her investigative and journalistic roots, why not work for another paper? The Daily Planet isn't the only newspaper in the city.

But no, it's always about the Daily Planet. And this is where I have to be very clear about my thoughts on this subject: Chloe Sullivan does NOT deserve to be in the Daily Planet. The writers let us know that with the IRONY that they injected into her firing process.

Or was I the only one that caught onto that?

Yes, it was a Luthor that got Chloe into Daily Planet and a Luthor that kicked her out of the Daily Planet.

Gotta love irony, right?

Chloe Sullivan betrayed her ethics and her best friend to get into the Daily Planet and once she did that she no longer deserved to work there. I don't care if she got rehired later on. That's not what matters. What matters is that NOTHING will ever change the fact that Chloe didn't get into the Daily Planet by hard work. She got there through lies upon lies and making a pact with a man that she knew was out to get her best friend.

And if you want to compare Chloe to Lois so much, then let's compare them here because Lois Lane (the iconic Lois Lane) would NEVER betray Clark in this way. And as a character, you really don't come back from something like that and that's one of the points where I lost respect for Chloe. And I was happy that the writers didn't forget what she had done and karma ended up catching up to Ms. Sullivan when she finally got fired a few seasons later by Lex Luthor. She deserved that. The Daily Planet was just something she wanted so much that she lost herself in order to obtain it.

So does Chloe Sullivan deserve to work at the Daily Planet? Heck no.

But if journalism really WAS Chloe's passion, couldn't she work at another newspaper after she was fired? And yet has she done that? Has she put in ANY effort into journalism since she was fired? No. What she HAS been doing is what she has always been doing, being Clark's side kick. And that right there is the REAL reason why Chloe lost her passion for journalism. Because she was too busy being Clark Kent's little hacker and sadly even his brain.

But it's easier to blame Lois than it is to blame Clark and more to the point a lot easier to blame Lois for Chloe's bad life than to blame Chloe herself.

If Chloe hadn't been so obsessed with Clark then she wouldn't have felt so betrayed by him and felt the need to hurt him by forming an alliance with Lionel. That's the root of all this, the root of Chloe's misfortune, her ongoing obsession with Clark Kent.

That's why I'm glad that she let it ALL go this episode, officially. She let go of the life she THOUGHT was hers, let go of her obsession with Clark finally by ACKNOWLEDGING clois, and finally CHOSE her own path independent of the world around her. She chose to be the watchtower and whether I believe she can adequately fulfill such a role or whether I even think she deserves the title, that is what she has chosen and that is the direction the producers have decided to take. And I have to say it fits MUCH BETTER than the role of journalist ever did.

[Supsfan]

IMO there wasn't. There was no lines or the writers even hinting that she would become Watchtower. I mean they already built a overall goal for her and for what? Just so it can torn down in the end. They foreshadowed Lois to be a reporter and hey look it happened.

I personally think Watchtower makes logical sense. If you watch Season 6 it seems like Chloe loses focus on actually doing her job time and time again to help Clark(and Lana on occasion). In Season 7 when Grant tells her she "lost her mojo", he said exactly what I been thinking about the character for over a year. I know some people may think Grant was "evil" and trying to hold Chloe back and that was the point of that line but I disagree because the next episode he went out of his way to send her on assignment which to me doesn't seem like he had negative interests making the comment in the first place to hold her down. In Sleeper and Plastique Chloe made comments both times that made it seem like journalism wasn't her main interest anymore. It seemed like her meteor infection and sidekicking for Clark were always a more important part of her character the past couple seasons so when in Hex she reverted back to the sidekicking aspect of her character over journalism it made perfect sense she got more satisfaction out of that then being a journalist going off what we saw on screen the past couple seasons.


I understand what your saying. But in a story things deserves payoff if you want to reward your readers/viewers. If Chloe would have became that successful journalist THEN decided to be Watchtower then fine.I really don't see why she can't do both. The whole theme this season is double identities. She could be reporter by day watchtower by night.

As pointed out above, I think they showed the previous 2 seasons how Chloe had to much stuff on her plate. Everything else in her life was taking away from her journalism career. The idea that Chloe can be the worlds greatest journalist, sidekick to the Superheros and great at 20 other things sort of makes her Mary Sue'ish.

[ims001]

She had heaps.
Reporting defined Chloe for a large part of the show. It wasn't everything, but she was the eager and enthusiastic journalist. After 7 years she gets fired and then we're just supposed to accept that she doesn't want it anymore?

For most of the show, Clark wanted to be a normal farm boy (and never wanted to be a well known hero).

So, are we supposed to feel they've ruined his character too? I mean, after 7 years he gets a little publicity as the RBB, and we're suddenly just supposed to accept that he doesn't want to be a normal farm boy anymore?:confused:

[Herod]

And the mythos aren't everything to everyone. Chloe is still a character, and it was her dream to be a reporter. In the end it still comes down to that she can't be there because they are. I feel like they invested the audience in a character and her dream only to.. I don't know... wave it away. But that's JMO.
But Chloe not being a reporter has nothing to do with Lois Lane. She lost that right BEFORE Lois even got there. Read my post above. Chloe betrayed her ethics and her best friend for that DREAM of hers and when you do bad things like that in life you suffer the consequences. So the Daily Planet was NEVER going to be hers just based on that action, at least that's what I always felt that she couldn't remain in a place like that by the terrible methods she used to get in. And I was content when she was finally fired even though I didn't wish her to suffer but she just doesn't belong at the planet.

As far as Lois Lane goes, a lot of people blame her for Chloe not being at the Planet. Lois at the DP is lightswitch and yet what about Clark? Out of everyone he has the LEAST experience and the LEAST passion for the job and yet he's still there. Why don't fans have an outcry about HIM being part of the reason for Chloe not being there??

It's easier just to put all the blame on Lois anyway because she is the mythos character, she is the DP reporter, and she is the one that ends up with Superman. And to me that's just very unfair. Lois Lane is who Lois Lane is and it's her destiny to do these things and PS3 won't writer her any differently because if they did they'd be writing another character.

AlMiles and PS3 could have gone through a lot of different methods to make Chloe happier and more fulfilled. You can actually say that about ALL characters, but they chose not to. They are responsible so can we just quit making it all about Lois. She's the villain, heck even Erica Durance (the actress) is constantly vilified and that's just insulting on so many levels. The writers dictate the stories. They always have, always will.

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For most of the show, Clark wanted to be a normal farm boy (and never wanted to be a well known hero). So, are we supposed to feel they've ruined his character too? I mean, after 7 years he gets a little publicity as the RBB, and we're suddenly just supposed to accept that he doesn't want to be a normal farm boy anymore?:confused:

Exactly. Neither Lois or Clark wanted to be reporters at the beginning and yet that ended up being their passion, their destiny. So does that mean that they don't deserve it? Just because they weren't born from the womb wanting to be journalists? No. People change and people discover new things about themselves as they grow older.

[Bizarrolover]

I can figure that for non die-hard Chloe fans(DHChF) or not Chloe fans at all, is difficult to understand what DHChF are feeling. Guys, you are so lucky you have the mythos on your side!!!

As a Lois fan, I have to tell you that while we have the mythos on our side, we certainly don't have the producers/writers. I would be great if Lois had the same screen time Chloe has, but I have to content myself with watching her appearing only 12/13 episodes per season and have her entire life fabricated and shown in the few episodes she appears.

In Hex, we've seen press passes for rock shows, monster rally races, pictures of her with the Dalai Lana and we never got to see her in action, we have to assume all those things happened during the epìsodes she was missing. We were lucky that they addressed that in Hex, because usually, when she's not in a episode, she's not even mentioned and we never get to know what cool assignement took her away. We know how the story ends but we are not allowed to see the journey.

I can relate to what Chloe fans are feeling now, but I can't understand why some of them are complaining so much about this not so unexpected turn in Chloe's life. In fact, it's been happening since the end of S4, since she learned Clark's secret. Chloe hasn't shown any real passion for jourlanism since she was introduced to the superhero world. She worked at the Planet in autopilot and has devoted her life to Clark and his superhero activities for the last 3 seasons (since she left highschool). I think the natural development for her was to join the JL because nothing seems to give her more pleasure that hanging around and helping superheroes.


That's the only thing that bothers me.. the show never actually showed that she failed at her DP's job. She was fired for other reasons, and she never came back cause she never wanted, but it wasn't clear for her and for her fans why she never wanted to come back...


Sorry, this time was my bad! I didn't mean that she failed (I know I said that, but I didn't mean it that way) just that she didn't succeed. In season 7 Chloe devolted most of her working hours to help Clark so she knew they could fire her at any moment. Lex just chose the moment that was more convenient to him.

[Kryptochloe]

As a Lois fan, I have to tell you that while we have the mythos on our side, we certainly don't have the producers/writers. I would be great if Lois had the same screen time Chloe has, but I have to content myself with watching her appearing only 12/13 episodes per season and have her entire life fabricated and shown in the few episodes she appears.

In Hex, we've seen press passes for rock shows, monster rally races, pictures of her with the Dalai Lana and we never got to see her in action, we have to assume all those things happened during the epìsodes she was missing. We were lucky that they addressed that in Hex, because usually, when she's not in a episode, she's not even mentioned and we never get to know what cool assignement took her away. We know how the story ends but we are not allowed to see the journey.

But my thoughts is that you're gonna have big time Lois at season 9...
Instead, I think I just have 5 more episodes of Chloe :(


I can relate to what Chloe fans are feeling now, but I can't understand why some of them are complaining so much about this not so unexpected turn in Chloe's life. In fact, it's been happening since the end of S4, since she learned Clark's secret. Chloe hasn't shown any real passion for jourlanism since she was introduced to the superhero world. She worked at the Planet in autopilot and has devoted her life to Clark and his superhero activities for the last 3 seasons (since she left highschool). I think the natural development for her was to join the JL because nothing seems to give her more pleasure that hanging around and helping superheroes.

Remember "Thirst" on season five??? (First time Chloe says "Up, up and away" and she was refering to her dreams of grow as a journalist at the DP). And until Lex fired her on "Descent" (season 7) we never watched Chloe having second thoughts about her job.
Anyway, I can understand your POV, to some degree.




Sorry, this time was my bad! I didn't mean that she failed (I know I said that, but I didn't mean it that way) just that she didn't succeed. In season 7 Chloe devolted most of her working hours to help Clark so she knew they could fire her at any moment. Lex just chose the moment that was more convenient to him.

It's ok

[rehana/chole]

What I don't understand is why so many people are so adamant about Chloe Sullivan deserving to work at the Daily Planet. If this is all just about Chloe keeping to her investigative and journalistic roots, why not work for another paper? The Daily Planet isn't the only newspaper in the city.

But no, it's always about the Daily Planet. And this is where I have to be very clear about my thoughts on this subject: Chloe Sullivan does NOT deserve to be in the Daily Planet. The writers let us know that with the IRONY that they injected into her firing process.

Or was I the only one that caught onto that?

Yes, it was a Luthor that got Chloe into Daily Planet and a Luthor that kicked her out of the Daily Planet.

Gotta love irony, right?

Chloe Sullivan betrayed her ethics and her best friend to get into the Daily Planet and once she did that she no longer deserved to work there. I don't care if she got rehired later on. That's not what matters. What matters is that NOTHING will ever change the fact that Chloe didn't get into the Daily Planet by hard work. She got there through lies upon lies and making a pact with a man that she knew was out to get her best friend.

And if you want to compare Chloe to Lois so much, then let's compare them here because Lois Lane (the iconic Lois Lane) would NEVER betray Clark in this way. And as a character, you really don't come back from something like that and that's one of the points where I lost respect for Chloe. And I was happy that the writers didn't forget what she had done and karma ended up catching up to Ms. Sullivan when she finally got fired a few seasons later by Lex Luthor. She deserved that. The Daily Planet was just something she wanted so much that she lost herself in order to obtain it.

So does Chloe Sullivan deserve to work at the Daily Planet? Heck no.

But if journalism really WAS Chloe's passion, couldn't she work at another newspaper after she was fired? And yet has she done that? Has she put in ANY effort into journalism since she was fired? No. What she HAS been doing is what she has always been doing, being Clark's side kick. And that right there is the REAL reason why Chloe lost her passion for journalism. Because she was too busy being Clark Kent's little hacker and sadly even his brain.

But it's easier to blame Lois than it is to blame Clark and more to the point a lot easier to blame Lois for Chloe's bad life than to blame Chloe herself.

If Chloe hadn't been so obsessed with Clark then she wouldn't have felt so betrayed by him and felt the need to hurt him by forming an alliance with Lionel. That's the root of all this, the root of Chloe's misfortune, her ongoing obsession with Clark Kent.

That's why I'm glad that she let it ALL go this episode, officially. She let go of the life she THOUGHT was hers, let go of her obsession with Clark finally by ACKNOWLEDGING clois, and finally CHOSE her own path independent of the world around her. She chose to be the watchtower and whether I believe she can adequately fulfill such a role or whether I even think she deserves the title, that is what she has chosen and that is the direction the producers have decided to take. And I have to say it fits MUCH BETTER than the role of journalist ever did.

an lois did not lois sleep her way in to the dp she was banging garibel rem he was aluthor he was julin lutlor rem there make ou seson on desk. so gave chole a dam break na stop make lois saint she was drunk b4 chole push her in 2 reporten chole is one who make both lois n clark become reporter they did not ever wanted 2 lois said so many time season 4 for god sake lois still cant spell an she reporter she doesnt have degerr in jourlism cause she was sick out of school she a high school drop who is a grat repoter who cant spell lameoo look i like lois but y u had 2 pick pon chole lionel changed rem plus chole earn her way in rem the head of dp say 2 her at end she has a sprak but i am glad she watch tower better then been clark sidesick nalway hepl him if she arrpound help wen ever will supermen come arrpound

[devilneedsaride]

And the mythos aren't everything to everyone. Chloe is still a character, and it was her dream to be a reporter. In the end it still comes down to that she can't be there because they are. I feel like they invested the audience in a character and her dream only to.. I don't know... wave it away. But that's JMO.

ITA. Well said.



But no, it's always about the Daily Planet. And this is where I have to be very clear about my thoughts on this subject: Chloe Sullivan does NOT deserve to be in the Daily Planet. The writers let us know that with the IRONY that they injected into her firing process.

Or was I the only one that caught onto that?

Yes, it was a Luthor that got Chloe into Daily Planet and a Luthor that kicked her out of the Daily Planet.


Ouch! I'm gonna go get Chloe some ice for that burn. BRB.

Seriously, though, Chloe was fired from that job and she only got back into the Planet based on her own merit. If you rewatch Thirst (painful, I know), you'll see that the editor she talked to was extremely unimpressed with Chloe's high school column. She seemed to take the same view you did of it, that it was essentially cheating. So when Chloe wrote her a sample article and she got hired based on that, it HAD to be about merit, because that woman did not want to let Chloe in the door. Chloe's always been shown to have exceptional reporter skills, so I think she deserves to be there in the professional sense.


I have to wonder when people say Chloe is ruined, if they really mean it's their dream of Chlois that's been ruined?

I view the role of the JLA's Watchtower as being so much better (on every level) than being a reporter, that I can't help but wonder how anyone could consider it to be ruining Chloe. Except, of course, that it further separates her character from that of the iconic Lois Lane.

I think being Watchtower elevates Chloe to new heights.

I don't think it ruins Chlois, I think it drives a stake through the heart of Chlois. About that, I can only be thankful.

I can't speak for anyone else, but it has absolutely jack to do with Chlois for me. I'm actually a pretty hardcore Lois fan. For me it's about Chloe's character, how they changed it, and all that stuff I said in my earlier post. I don't get why there's always all this competition between the two characters. Why can't we just love them both?

[ginevrakent]

an lois did not lois sleep her way in to the dp she was banging garibel rem he was aluthor he was julin lutlor rem there make ou seson on desk.

Lois did not sleep her way into the DP. She was hired months before she and Grant even kissed each other. Furthermore, it was established in Blue that Lois was hired for her work on the Combat cage fighting article. Lois also received no favors as a result of her relationship with Grant seeing as how he refused to publish any of her articles in order to keep his brother out of jail.

[Jack-El49]

And the mythos aren't everything to everyone. Chloe is still a character, and it was her dream to be a reporter. In the end it still comes down to that she can't be there because they are. I feel like they invested the audience in a character and her dream only to.. I don't know... wave it away. But that's JMO.

No...what it comes down to is that she was an SV fabrication of a canon character that DC refused to let them use. Had LL been an available character, Al/Miles would never have invented the Chloe character and if they had invented a character named Chloe, she would not have been a budding journalist.

When they had the opportunity, they decided that why go wtih the imitation when you could bring in the real thing. I know that sounds harsh but it's the truth. They wanted LL all along but developed Chloe as a placeholder for the Lois Lane character.

They have tried to re-form her into something different and either people will accept it and live with it or they won't. Whining won't do the trick though because it hasn't worked with any of the other characters or ships to that fandom's satisfaction.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

an lois did not lois sleep her way in to the dp she was banging garibel rem he was aluthor he was julin lutlor rem there make ou seson on desk. so gave chole a dam break na stop make lois saint she was drunk b4 chole push her in 2 reporten chole is one who make both lois n clark become reporter they did not ever wanted 2 lois said so many time season 4 for god sake lois still cant spell an she reporter she doesnt have degerr in jourlism cause she was sick out of school she a high school drop who is a grat repoter who cant spell lameoo look i like lois but y u had 2 pick pon chole lionel changed rem plus chole earn her way in rem the head of dp say 2 her at end she has a sprak but i am glad she watch tower better then been clark sidesick nalway hepl him if she arrpound help wen ever will supermen come arrpound

I'm sorry if I misinterpret some of your post. It's quite difficult to read.

1/ Lois did NOT sleep her way IN TO the DP. She was hired prior to any affair with GG and it was later established that she had been brought to his notice by an article she wrote on cage fighting. Even once she was hired GG refused to print her stories unless they had all the necessary photographic evidence to go with them and he censored her stories on his brother Lex.

2/ Lois was not, and has never been an alcoholic. If she was wouldn't Chloe have been a better cousin by getting her into rehab rather than steering her towards journalism?

3/ Chloe did not MAKE either Clark OR Lois become a journalist. Clark worked at the Torch in High School WITH HER and later left journalism behind until he went to the DP this year so he could be at the center of the action for his superhero duties. And Lois was encouraged by Chloe to take up journalism but then continued on the journalistic path when she was bitten by the 'bug', chased stories even when Chloe tried to put her off the scent for Clark/Oliver's sakes and has built her career with published articles at both The Inquisitor AND the DP (which Chloe didn't MAKE her do either.)

4/ All Lois Lane's in all versions of the Superman media have spelling difficulties - not just Smallville's Lois Lane.

5/ Lois finished High School and got into college. When it comes to college degrees or higher education neither Clark, Chloe OR Lois finished their education.

I don't know how a thread about Chloe suddenly became a thread about Lois when the one has NOTHING to do with the other beyond the fact they're cousins. Simple fact is Chloe hasn't been a journalist or tried to publish a story for coming up on a full season. Hex showed that she has the same higher calling as Clark and would rather stop a disaster from happening than just be someone who sits at a desk and reports it when it happens. I think she is perfectly suited to the role of Watchtower and I'm really excited about the stories that could come from that for Chloe. Plus it makes sense to me when I look at show canon.

[Jack-El49]

I'm sorry if I misinterpret some of your post. It's quite difficult to read.

1/ Lois did NOT sleep her way IN TO the DP. She was hired prior to any affair with GG and it was later established that she had been brought to his notice by an article she wrote on cage fighting. Even once she was hired GG refused to print her stories unless they had all the necessary photographic evidence to go with them and he censored her stories on his brother Lex.

2/ Lois was not, and has never been an alcoholic. If she was wouldn't Chloe have been a better cousin by getting her into rehab rather than steering her towards journalism?

3/ Chloe did not MAKE either Clark OR Lois become a journalist. Clark worked at the Torch in High School WITH HER and later left journalism behind until he went to the DP this year so he could be at the center of the action for his superhero duties. And Lois was encouraged by Chloe to take up journalism but then continued on the journalistic path when she was bitten by the 'bug', chased stories even when Chloe tried to put her off the scent for Clark/Oliver's sakes and has built her career with published articles at both The Inquisitor AND the DP (which Chloe didn't MAKE her do either.)

4/ All Lois Lane's in all versions of the Superman media have spelling difficulties - not just Smallville's Lois Lane.

5/ Lois finished High School and got into college. When it comes to college degrees or higher education neither Clark, Chloe OR Lois finished their education.

I don't know how a thread about Chloe suddenly became a thread about Lois when the one has NOTHING to do with the other beyond the fact they're cousins. Simple fact is Chloe hasn't been a journalist or tried to publish a story for coming up on a full season. Hex showed that she has the same higher calling as Clark and would rather stop a disaster from happening than just be someone who sits at a desk and reports it when it happens. I think she is perfectly suited to the role of Watchtower and I'm really excited about the stories that could come from that for Chloe. Plus it makes sense to me when I look at show canon.

Well said, Annie. Spot on accurate.

[devilneedsaride]

No...what it comes down to is that she was an SV fabrication of a canon character that DC refused to let them use. Had LL been an available character, Al/Miles would never have invented the Chloe character and if they had invented a character named Chloe, she would not have been a budding journalist.

When they had the opportunity, they decided that why go wtih the imitation when you could bring in the real thing. I know that sounds harsh but it's the truth. They wanted LL all along but developed Chloe as a placeholder for the Lois Lane character.

They have tried to re-form her into something different and either people will accept it and live with it or they won't. Whining won't do the trick though because it hasn't worked with any of the other characters or ships to that fandom's satisfaction.

Well, I don't think it was DC's restrictions that kept Lois off the show. It would have been utterly ludicrous for them to make a Superman origin story that included Lois Lane from the get-go. It was even a bit of a stretch that they brought her in in season 4, though I'm glad they did.

I don't think of Chloe as an "imitation Lois". Sure, they're similar in some ways, but they're also very different. Chloe's a character in her own right, and her story is important and ought to make sense just like everyone else's story on the show, imo.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

And the mythos aren't everything to everyone. Chloe is still a character, and it was her dream to be a reporter.

WAS her dream. It's a dream she hasn't pursued in any form at another paper or freelance since a season ago. She said she was going to try something different in Plastique - she tried counselling and it didn't work out. The one constant has been the researching/investigating/helping out she does for superheroes - this has been a constant since the start of season five when she learned the full story of Clark's secret. In Hex she revisited the dream she had of journalism and realized that it wasn't what she wanted any more. Again the other constant was there because she was still helping a superhero to investigate. By the end of the episode she knew for certain where she wanted to be and what she wanted to do. All of that is show canon and nothing to do with the mythos.


In the end it still comes down to that she can't be there because they are.

But SHE doesn't know that. Chloe doesn't know her destiny is written by someone from above. She doesn't know there are millions of people tuning in to her journey every week or people writing her words. So we have to go by what we're shown on screen and separate it from any agenda the showrunners might have to make sense of it from CHLOE'S pov IMO. Chloe has made the decision and now she has to live with it, same as she has with any decision she's made along the way. So if she says being Watchtower and working with the JL is where she belongs, then I believe her. Dreams change.


I feel like they invested the audience in a character and her dream only to.. I don't know... wave it away. But that's JMO.

But she's still on a journey the same way all the characters are. If all the characters remained unchanged from the beginning then there wouldn't be a story. Clark could have stayed on the farm and married Lana. Lois could have drifted from job to job and never discovered something she loves doing. Lex could have been the good guy who was Clark's friend. Pete would never have left Smallville. Oliver would never have made bows and arrows on the island. And Chloe could have been a reporter her whole life and never understood or known why bad things happen around her - she would have had to sit by, watch them happen and report on them.

Every character is on a journey. Chloe has changed in the same way everyone else has IMO - some changes for the better, some for the worse. But she's not the same girl she was even a season ago, because a lot has happened to her. I'm invested in her character because I want to see what happens and where she ends up - I don't know her future any more than anyone else does. Right now I'm excited about her Watchtower role and if she tells me she's done with journalism and it's not her life any more then I have to believe her and watch to see what happens.

[melissan02]

They wanted LL all along but developed Chloe as a placeholder for the Lois Lane character.

That's right! Chloe was a placeholder. Let me put it in a slightly different perspective...

If in the event Miss America is unable to fulfill the duties of her crown, the 1st runner up will assume the title.

When the greenlight was given to bring Lois Lane to SV, Chloe's reporting days were done. So, off goes the crown from the non-canon character.

[geminis]

So well said, Ann!!

And I agree-Chloe and Jimmy need a good marriage counselor. They both agreed to get engaged and they both made those vows. So yeah, there's an issue... the first year of marriage IS the hardest because you almost always go into it with different expectations than what you get it. But the fact remains that you once believed there was a reason to make that commitment so you can either cut and run or make the effort and work through it.

(funny thing, my wonderful husband of a year and a half was really mad at Jimmy for running. lol. He said it was cheap of him to give up that quickly and he should be working on things first)

Thanks. :) They both gave up way too quickly for me; kind of surprising because I see them both as fighters, but also not that surprising because I think they were just in love with the idea of love and not actually in love with each other.

Congratulations to you and your wonderful husband, too. :) And nice icon. :D

[CallMeClark]

Honestly, with the way they have turned her character this season... it didn't surprise me... Chloe is not nearly as likeable anymore.

[geminis]

That's right! Chloe was a placeholder. Let me put it in a slightly different perspective...

If in the event Miss America is unable to fulfill the duties of her crown, the 1st runner up will assume the title.

When the greenlight was given to bring Lois Lane to SV, Chloe's reporting days were done. So, off goes the crown from the non-canon character.

:lol:

I'm not bringing Lois into the conversation, much though I love her.

Just me reiterating what Annie already said and well as always.

People seem to think that dreams cannot change. In the past Chloe always wanted to be a reporter and now that she isn't and acknowledges it she is somehow ruined for some. Why? Life can throw you curve balls. Remember Saul from the Bible? This was an epiphany for Chloe. Not really knowing it, she has been acting as a sort of Watchtower for Clark all along; no wonder Oliver recruited her, she has the experience.
The moment when she changed back, she wasn't reporting, she was fully invested in aiding Clark.

Some people know from the beginning what they want to do and actually do it, others know, start doing it, and find that it actually wasn't their dream after all, others have no clue and find their dream job, and yet even more never realize their dreams. She is lucky and wise to have discovered that you can have new, just as fulfilling dreams and let the past ones go.

Again, long live Chloe.

[Kryptochloe]

That's right! Chloe was a placeholder. Let me put it in a slightly different perspective...

If in the event Miss America is unable to fulfill the duties of her crown, the 1st runner up will assume the title.

When the greenlight was given to bring Lois Lane to SV, Chloe's reporting days were done. So, off goes the crown from the non-canon character.

You are giving here the reason for why so many Chloe fans are upset. If that's the reason why she has to leave journalism, and not only because is the character's evolution... then it sucks big way...

[Storm45]

I'm a Chloe supporter who didn't felt like receiving a slap in the face. Far from that. I've never been stucked to the idea that Chloe should absolutely be a reporter.

But I can understand the attachment to Reporter!Chloe. I'm attached to it too. It highlighted Chloe's best/worst characteristics . It displayed her curiosity, her drive, her smart and daredevil side. It also served many stories and created good conflicts with other characters (Zero, Lineage, Truth, Delete, the whole arc with Lionel). What was so great about it is that it created an identity away from Clark. Her dream of becoming a reporter and her natural curiosity was major motivations to be involved in the stories. She has her own motivations aside from Clark.

The problem is that TPTB didn't make the most out of Chloe's time at the DP. We rarely saw her investigating and gettting in the field like before. She was just handing out informations to others and that from season 6 to 7. 2 years of waste. Instead her only motivation was to help Clark. She lost the fire, the drive and the adventurous side. Not only that but her investigation of LuthorCorp and Level 33.1 remained dormant.

When Grant told Chloe she lost her mojo and started to taunt her, I had hopes for Chloe to regain her passion. Nothing happened.
When Chloe fired her and that TPTB said that it would spark Chloe to take down LuthorCorp...Nothing happened.

Her journey as a reporter felt incomplete. There would be never a payoff for her several years long investigation of LuthorCorp. There would be no pay-off for what Lex did to her mother.

So when she decided to leave journalism to work at ISIS. A work that is the complete opposite of the Chloe Sullivan I used to like, I was dissapointed. It was if Chloe just gave up and surrendered.

I think they stretched this whole leve l33.1/Luthor experiment storyline for too long. Its too late to properly wrap around that story.

But now with Watchtower, I'm glad. Its pretty much in line with what she used to be in the past. While also being in line with what she was doing with Clark for continuity's sake.

[AgentChaos]

1/ Lois did NOT sleep her way IN TO the DP. She was hired prior to any affair with GG and it was later established that she had been brought to his notice by an article she wrote on cage fighting. Even once she was hired GG refused to print her stories unless they had all the necessary photographic evidence to go with them and he censored her stories on his brother Lex.

That's true. Lois did not sleep her way into the DP. The dating didn't start until after Wrath. But as we saw in Kara, Grant hired her because of her spaceship article, not her cage fighting article. That reveal in Blue felt like a retcon. I still think her relationship with Grant was highly unprofessional and could have cost both of them their jobs had they been found out by the then DP PTB.


2/ Lois was not, and has never been an alcoholic. If she was wouldn't Chloe have been a better cousin by getting her into rehab rather than steering her towards journalism?

Lois being an alcoholic is debatable, but it's got nothing to do with her journalism skills.


3/ Chloe did not MAKE either Clark OR Lois become a journalist. Clark worked at the Torch in High School WITH HER and later left journalism behind until he went to the DP this year so he could be at the center of the action for his superhero duties. And Lois was encouraged by Chloe to take up journalism but then continued on the journalistic path when she was bitten by the 'bug', chased stories even when Chloe tried to put her off the scent for Clark/Oliver's sakes and has built her career with published articles at both The Inquisitor AND the DP (which Chloe didn't MAKE her do either.)

If Lois hadn't come to Smallville and been forced to attend SVH, it's very unlikely that she would ever have gotten into journalism in the first place. Her exposure to reporting by Chloe planted the first seeds of interest.


4/ All Lois Lane's in all versions of the Superman media have spelling difficulties - not just Smallville's Lois Lane.

One point in her favor.


5/ Lois finished High School and got into college. When it comes to college degrees or higher education neither Clark, Chloe OR Lois finished their education.

Actually Lois never officially finished high school. She failed to make up the credits she missed and only got into Met U because Lex pulled strings to get her there.

Personally, I love Chloe being WatchTower full time. It's a much better job for her than counseling meteor-infected teenagers, which she proved to pretty much suck at, and her impact on the world as part of the JL is going to be greater than writing the news. Seeing her officially turn her back on her life long dream did sting a lot, though.

[ginevrakent]

Lois being an alcoholic is debatable

In Superman I, Margot Kidder downs a glass of champagne when Superman doesn't show up promptly to his interview. In Lois and Clark: The Adventures of Superman, Lois drinks several glasses of alcohol when her date with Superman falls through. On Smallville, Lois may have overdone it at Chloe's bachelorette party, but she is hardly a drunk.


If Lois hadn't come to Smallville and been forced to attend SVH, it's very unlikely that she would ever have gotten into journalism in the first place. Her exposure to reporting by Chloe planted the first seeds of interest.

Actually, the opposite is true. The episode Apocalypse showed us what would have happened to our cast of characters had Clark never made it to Earth. It turns out that Lois Lane still becomes a Pultizer Prize winning journalist. So, coming to Smallville delayed the inevitable rather than put Lois on the path to reporting.



Actually Lois never officially finished high school. She failed to make up the credits she missed and only got into Met U because Lex pulled strings to get her there.

This isn't entirely accurate either. As someone who is currently interning as a guidance counselor in a high school, it is actually possible to graduate high school but not have the credits to enter college even if a student is accepted. The reason for this is that universities have different high school credit requirements. For example, many colleges require 2 credits of foreign language. High schools, on the other hand, do not require these credits for graduation. In other words, Lois could have failed her last semester with a good enough average GPA to graduate, but not fulfill the requirements for entrance into MetU. Also, schools inform students that they will not graduate prior to the graduation date so since Lois seemed completely shocked by her daddy's announcement, I am going to guess that she did not get such a message.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Lois being an alcoholic is debatable, but it's got nothing to do with her journalism skills.

With all due respect here, I don't believe you know what an alcoholic really is. An alcoholic is someone who is addicted to alcohol and cannot stop drinking. It's not an expression that should be thrown around lightly, and honestly it offends me. This is hardly indicative of Lois Lane's character simply because she has a few drinks every once in a while. That doesn't make her an alcoholic because she occassionally gets drunk. The last time we actually saw her character drunk was at the engagement party. She was drinking at the wedding, but she certainly wasn't intoxicated.

Unless we see Lois Lane with a glass in hand in every episode chugging it down, then it is not debatable.

I'm surprised you haven't mentioned, Lex, Lionel and Oliver who were always pouring themselves a glass of scotch or top shelf liquor.

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I'm sorry if I misinterpret some of your post. It's quite difficult to read.

1/ Lois did NOT sleep her way IN TO the DP. She was hired prior to any affair with GG and it was later established that she had been brought to his notice by an article she wrote on cage fighting. Even once she was hired GG refused to print her stories unless they had all the necessary photographic evidence to go with them and he censored her stories on his brother Lex.

2/ Lois was not, and has never been an alcoholic. If she was wouldn't Chloe have been a better cousin by getting her into rehab rather than steering her towards journalism?

3/ Chloe did not MAKE either Clark OR Lois become a journalist. Clark worked at the Torch in High School WITH HER and later left journalism behind until he went to the DP this year so he could be at the center of the action for his superhero duties. And Lois was encouraged by Chloe to take up journalism but then continued on the journalistic path when she was bitten by the 'bug', chased stories even when Chloe tried to put her off the scent for Clark/Oliver's sakes and has built her career with published articles at both The Inquisitor AND the DP (which Chloe didn't MAKE her do either.)

4/ All Lois Lane's in all versions of the Superman media have spelling difficulties - not just Smallville's Lois Lane.

5/ Lois finished High School and got into college. When it comes to college degrees or higher education neither Clark, Chloe OR Lois finished their education.

I don't know how a thread about Chloe suddenly became a thread about Lois when the one has NOTHING to do with the other beyond the fact they're cousins. Simple fact is Chloe hasn't been a journalist or tried to publish a story for coming up on a full season. Hex showed that she has the same higher calling as Clark and would rather stop a disaster from happening than just be someone who sits at a desk and reports it when it happens. I think she is perfectly suited to the role of Watchtower and I'm really excited about the stories that could come from that for Chloe. Plus it makes sense to me when I look at show canon.

Annie, I like all your points. I think a lot of people have missed the point here that this is Chloe's decision not to get back into journalism.

Actually, I agree, I think the Watchtower is perfect for her. She is not looking behind anymore, and I've never seen her more confident than she was at the end of this episode!

[Tess is Smokin]

Yeh they did and i have to say i've never been more happy

[Dustmite]

That's right! Chloe was a placeholder. Let me put it in a slightly different perspective...

If in the event Miss America is unable to fulfill the duties of her crown, the 1st runner up will assume the title.

When the greenlight was given to bring Lois Lane to SV, Chloe's reporting days were done. So, off goes the crown from the non-canon character.

Glad to see it recognized that it was Chloe's life first and taken from her.

[workshyslacker]

2/ Lois was not, and has never been an alcoholic. If she was wouldn't Chloe have been a better cousin by getting her into rehab rather than steering her towards journalism?


ITA, Annie


an lois did not lois sleep her way in to the dp she was banging garibel rem he was aluthor he was julin lutlor rem there make ou seson on desk. so gave chole a dam break na stop make lois saint she was drunk b4 chole push her in 2 reporten chole is one who make both lois n clark become reporter they did not ever wanted 2 lois said so many time season 4 for god sake lois still cant spell an she reporter she doesnt have degerr in jourlism cause she was sick out of school she a high school drop who is a grat repoter who cant spell lameoo look i like lois but y u had 2 pick pon chole lionel changed rem plus chole earn her way in rem the head of dp say 2 her at end she has a sprak but i am glad she watch tower better then been clark sidesick nalway hepl him if she arrpound help wen ever will supermen come arrpound



Lois being an alcoholic is debatable, but it's got nothing to do with her journalism skills.


What really upsets me about this board is when the attacks become personal, libelous, irrelevant and inaccurate. If these characters were real, and accusations of alcoholism and "sleeping their way to the top" were made, they could potentially take legal action. Just because they are tv characters does not make these comments valid or excusable. Everybody has their biases and favourites. Its when the boards start degenerating into name-calling that I find unacceptable.

In particular, the accusation that Lois is an alcoholic. There are specific medical criteria to diagnose alcoholism that medical professionals use, one of which is the CAGE questionnaire. There are signs and symptoms of alcoholism that the user and outsiders can recognise. Lois has none of them. She does not feel she needs to Cut down, neither does she feel Angry about her alcoholic intake, or Guarded about the units she imbibes, and she does not need an Eye-opener in the morning. Furthermore she does not have the shakes or "delirium tremens" when she cannot have her "eye-opener". She does not lie about her intake, or hide her alcohol, for beng discovered. She has a normal social network, interests and interpersonal relationships, all of which deteriorates if one is an alcoholic. She does not have mood swings, she does not neglect her own health. She has no problems concentrating at work. Lois being an alcoholic is NOT open to debate. It is wholly inaccurate.

She is a normal young woman in her twenties. Sure, sometimes she gets tipsy and becomes less inhibited with her words and actions. Sometimes, she drinks when something bad happens. Who can truely claim they've never done this? Or gone out for a drink with good friends after work if they've had a bad day or when they've broken up with their partner? Having the occasional drink or enjoying a drinking game does not make someone an alcoholic. I would have hoped that intelligent, mature, and discursive people would refrain from petty insults in order to make their points. If you have experienced alcoholism as a relative, user, or medical practitioner, then I would hope you are less judgemental.

[Tess is Smokin]

wow i totally agree Charlotte well said.

[hanemg]

Glad to see it regognozed that it was Chloe's life first and taken from her.

How exactly was her life "taken" from her? Chloe still has her life and is apparently now doing what she really wants to do. In fact, if you watch the show then you'll realize that it is what she has been doing since season 5 because her reporting pretty much stopped in favor of "Hero Support" after she learned Clark's secret.

What I find puzzling is how anyone can think that Lois Lane actually becoming "Lois Lane" is a shock and that she's somehow "stealing" something from another character when in fact it was always hers to begin with. "Smallville" doesn't exist in a vacuum no matter what some wish. It's based upon a larger story and therefore when someone from that larger story is introduced it shouldn't be a surprise when they behave like their mythos self.

[costas22]

Welcome aboard Jon.Always good to welcome a fellow Tess-er!

[Dustmite]

How exactly was her life "taken" from her? Chloe still has her life and is apparently now doing what she really wants to do. In fact, if you watch the show then you'll realize that it is what she has been doing since season 5 because her reporting pretty much stopped in favor of "Hero Support" after she learned Clark's secret.

What I find puzzling is how anyone can think that Lois Lane actually becoming "Lois Lane" is a shock and that she's somehow "stealing" something from another character when in fact it was always hers to begin with. "Smallville" doesn't exist in a vacuum no matter what some wish. It's based upon a larger story and therefore when someone from that larger story is introduced it shouldn't be a surprise when they behave like their mythos self.

Let's see because Chloe lived it first until it was taken away and handed to Lois because she had the name. TPTB pretty much admitted it and then they dedicated a whole episode to it.

I don't give a crap about what Lois does or become. They made me care by stripping Chloe in order to achieve what they wanted to.

[hanemg]

Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but for me I've seen Chloe doing exactly this instead of reporting since season 5. I think the show even made a point of emphasizing this when they had Grant comment on her losing her "mojo". Then we had Chloe's reveal to Clark that helping him and others save people has become an important part of her life and how she had never realized how fulfilling it could be. I just see "Hex" as the culmination of this growth. It's not like it came out of left field. We had seen signs of it for some time.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Let's see because Chloe lived it first until it was taken away and handed to Lois because she had the name. TPTB pretty much admitted it and then they dedicated a whole episode to it.

Thing is, regardless of the reason the showrunners had for doing things the way they did, Chloe doesn't know any of that. She's a fictional character. The showrunners then become the equivalent of 'gods' or higher powers who decide her fate. She has no more knowledge of that than we do in real life and therefore makes her own decisions. And going by on screen Smallville canon SHE made the decision not to go back to journalism or pursue it even as a freelance writer and SHE made the decision to become Watchtower. So from that POV the decisions she has made are nothing to do with Lois or Clark or anyone else - they're hers. Though in fairness her relationship with Clark does have something to do with it, because once she knew his secret her life started to change. And that's coming up on four full seasons ago. For a while she tried the journalism route while still helping Clark and when that didn't work, she didn't go back to journalism. In Hex she realized her dreams have changed and now we have Watchtower.

So this whole Chloe was purposefully removed from journalism argument doesn't work in the context of the on screen world IMO.

[Dustmite]

Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but for me I've seen Chloe doing exactly this instead of reporting since season 5. I think the show even made a point of emphasizing this when they had Grant comment on her losing her "mojo". Then we had Chloe's reveal to Clark that helping him and others save people has become an important part of her life and how she had never realized how fulfilling it could be. I just see "Hex" as the culmination of this growth. It's not like it came out of left field. We had seen signs of it for some time.

I guess you're alluding to season 6 and what a coincidence, it's the same season that Lois expressed an interest in journalism. Season 7 Lois enters the DP and Chloe exits it :rolleyes:

Yeah, my point right there.

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Thing is, regardless of the reason the showrunners had for doing things the way they did, Chloe doesn't know any of that. She's a fictional character. The showrunners then become the equivalent of 'gods' or higher powers who decide her fate. She has no more knowledge of that than we do in real life and therefore makes her own decisions. And going by on screen Smallville canon SHE made the decision not to go back to journalism or pursue it even as a freelance writer and SHE made the decision to become Watchtower. So from that POV the decisions she has made are nothing to do with Lois or Clark or anyone else - they're hers. Though in fairness her relationship with Clark does have something to do with it, because once she knew his secret her life started to change. And that's coming up on four full seasons ago. For a while she tried the journalism route while still helping Clark and when that didn't work, she didn't go back to journalism. In Hex she realized her dreams have changed and now we have Watchtower.

So this whole Chloe was purposefully removed from journalism argument doesn't work in the context of the on screen world IMO.

But she was purposefully removed and that's pretty much all I care about in regards to this whole debate. She WAS removed.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but for me I've seen Chloe doing exactly this instead of reporting since season 5. I think the show even made a point of emphasizing this when they had Grant comment on her losing her "mojo". Then we had Chloe's reveal to Clark that helping him and others save people has become an important part of her life and how she had never realized how fulfilling it could be. I just see "Hex" as the culmination of this growth. It's not like it came out of left field. We had seen signs of it for some time.

ITA. There has been an on screen chain of events leading to this. It does make sense in the context of show canon.

[love2clark]

new hear hey did ruin her i mean she is going down its sad :(

[Amelie]

So in order to defend Chloe Sullivan certain member feels they have to take a stab at the Lois Lane character. That is just very offensive and frankly quite unnecessary, though I have to say I'm not at all surprised.

For the record:

(1) Lois did NOT get into the DP by sleeping with Gabriel
(2) Lois is NOT an alcoholic
(3) Lois is NOT at the DP because of Chloe

Now, if I'm wrong, please come back here with MORE than hearsay and add actual evidence to support your rebuttals because speculation is just that speculation. And such constant false attacks are really getting annoying.

[Tess is Smokin]

Welcome aboard Jon.Always good to welcome a fellow Tess-er!


Hehe thanks man.

[Amelie]

If Lois hadn't come to Smallville and been forced to attend SVH, it's very unlikely that she would ever have gotten into journalism in the first place. Her exposure to reporting by Chloe planted the first seeds of interest.
FACT remains that Lois Lane was a journalist in Apocalypse, in a world without Clark Kent and in a world where Chloe Sullivan did NOT die and in a world where Lois Lane NEVER had come to Smallville like she did in the present storyline. Yet REGARDLESS of all the changes, Lois Lane still ended up a journalist and still ended up working for the Daily Planet.

So your SPECULATION that Lois would not get into journalism if it wasn't for Chloe is just that, speculation. The actual series has told us the EXACT OPPOSITE.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

But she was purposefully removed and that's pretty much all I care about in regards to this whole debate. She WAS removed.

I understand what you're saying. And believe me, I don't think there's a single Smallville fan who hasn't had a WTF moment with this show. But to me I have to look at it in the context of what happens on screen and if it makes sense in the story then I can roll with it. I guess I see it from the POV of, if Chloe's work with the JL leads to lives being saved then it all makes sense in the bigger picture. What of one of those lives then went on to save the world like a John Connor kind of thing? Or their kids. Or their kids, kids. In the Smallville universe we may get mad at the showrunners for the decisions they make, but good or bad, I love the characters and will watch to see where the story takes them in the same way I love my friends and will be there to watch where their lives take them - whether good or bad.

So outside of the Smallville world, I can think some of the showrunners decisions are lame, but on screen I have to be able to make sense of and follow the path the characters take. In this situation I can and I love Chloe as Watchtower. Honestly I would never have had a problem with her continuing to be a journalist. But from an outside looking in pov, I do think if both girls had been at the DP it would have led to increasing online arguments with people debating who does it better - and I'm finding those kind of arguments very old.

[Alania]

an lois did not lois sleep her way in to the dp she was banging garibel rem he was aluthor he was julin lutlor rem there make ou seson on desk. so gave chole a dam break na stop make lois saint she was drunk b4 chole push her in 2 reporten chole is one who make both lois n clark become reporter they did not ever wanted 2 lois said so many time season 4 for god sake lois still cant spell an she reporter she doesnt have degerr in jourlism cause she was sick out of school she a high school drop who is a grat repoter who cant spell lameoo look i like lois but y u had 2 pick pon chole lionel changed rem plus chole earn her way in rem the head of dp say 2 her at end she has a sprak but i am glad she watch tower better then been clark sidesick nalway hepl him if she arrpound help wen ever will supermen come arrpound

OMG, is this person serious?!? We are definitely not watching the same show. Blessed report button....

I don't know how a thread about Chloe suddenly became a thread about Lois when the one has NOTHING to do with the other beyond the fact they're cousins. .

Sounds to me Lois is taking the meaning of scapegoat into an entire different level:rolleyes:

[Amelie]

With all due respect here, I don't believe you know what an alcoholic really is. An alcoholic is someone who is addicted to alcohol and cannot stop drinking. It's not an expression that should be thrown around lightly, and honestly it offends me. This is hardly indicative of Lois Lane's character simply because she has a few drinks every once in a while. That doesn't make her an alcoholic because she occassionally gets drunk. The last time we actually saw her character drunk was at the engagement party. She was drinking at the wedding, but she certainly wasn't intoxicated.

Unless we see Lois Lane with a glass in hand in every episode chugging it down, then it is not debatable.

I'm surprised you haven't mentioned, Lex, Lionel and Oliver who were always pouring themselves a glass of scotch or top shelf liquor.



Thank you for squashing that FALSE ACCUSATION.

[Dustmite]

I understand what you're saying. And believe me, I don't think there's a single Smallville fan who hasn't had a WTF moment with this show. But to me I have to look at it in the context of what happens on screen and if it makes sense in the story then I can roll with it. I guess I see it from the POV of, if Chloe's work with the JL leads to lives being saved then it all makes sense in the bigger picture. What of one of those lives then went on to save the world like a John Connor kind of thing? Or their kids. Or their kids, kids. In the Smallville universe we may get mad at the showrunners for the decisions they make, but good or bad, I love the characters and will watch to see where the story takes them in the same way I love my friends and will be there to watch where their lives take them - whether good or bad.

So outside of the Smallville world, I can think some of the showrunners decisions are lame, but on screen I have to be able to make sense of and follow the path the characters take. In this situation I can and I love Chloe as Watchtower. Honestly I would never have had a problem with her continuing to be a journalist. But from an outside looking in pov, I do think if both girls had been at the DP it would have led to increasing online arguments with people debating who does it better - and I'm finding those kind of arguments very old.

I guess I'm tired of making sense of the show in that way and I will never stop believing that Chloe was sacrificed and that's what I hate about what they did and that why I will never be able to take what happens on sreen in regards to that seriously.

[Amelie]

In Superman I, Margot Kidder downs a glass of champagne when Superman doesn't show up promptly to his interview. In Lois and Clark: The Adventures of Superman, Lois drinks several glasses of alcohol when her date with Superman falls through. On Smallville, Lois may have overdone it at Chloe's bachelorette party, but she is hardly a drunk.
Great points!


This isn't entirely accurate either. As someone who is currently interning as a guidance counselor in a high school, it is actually possible to graduate high school but not have the credits to enter college even if a student is accepted. The reason for this is that universities have different high school credit requirements. For example, many colleges require 2 credits of foreign language. High schools, on the other hand, do not require these credits for graduation. In other words, Lois could have failed her last semester with a good enough average GPA to graduate, but not fulfill the requirements for entrance into MetU. Also, schools inform students that they will not graduate prior to the graduation date so since Lois seemed completely shocked by her daddy's announcement, I am going to guess that she did not get such a message.

Exactly so SPECULATING that Lois never graduated high school is just SPECULATION.

[Dustmite]

Exactly so SPECULATING that Lois never graduated high school is just SPECULATION.

I don't see speculation as being against the rules.

[Tompouce]

Charlotte, I totally agree with you : Lois is not an acoholic person, it is a fact. The way you explain it is just perfect.
About the topic, first I have to read all your posts, so I come back later !

[Jack-El49]

That's true. Lois did not sleep her way into the DP. The dating didn't start until after Wrath. But as we saw in Kara, Grant hired her because of her spaceship article, not her cage fighting article. That reveal in Blue felt like a retcon. I still think her relationship with Grant was highly unprofessional and could have cost both of them their jobs had they been found out by the then DP PTB.

And Chloe slept with Jimmy while she was interning in high school - give me a break. Sheesh!


Lois being an alcoholic is debatable, but it's got nothing to do with her journalism skills.

An alcoholic? Nice attempt to trash Lois there but you're not convincing anyone of that but yourself and a small group of like-minded people. I would bet that most of those who have consumed alcoholic beverages in their lifetime have consumed more than they should have but that does not make them alcoholics. Colleges and sporting events must be full of alcoholics if that's what you believe an alcoholic is. :rolleyes:


If Lois hadn't come to Smallville and been forced to attend SVH, it's very unlikely that she would ever have gotten into journalism in the first place. Her exposure to reporting by Chloe planted the first seeds of interest.

That's partly true - she sidled up with Chloe and did an article that was published in the Torch. Had she not come to SVH, who knows what she would be doing but maybe journalism is one of those things. Every journalist in the world did not attend SVH or was inspired by Chloe Sullivan to become a journalist, no matter how much you might want that to be the case.


Personally, I love Chloe being WatchTower full time. It's a much better job for her than counseling meteor-infected teenagers, which she proved to pretty much suck at, and her impact on the world as part of the JL is going to be greater than writing the news. Seeing her officially turn her back on her life long dream did sting a lot, though.

Here we agree. I think Watchtower is far more in linie with the Chloe we've seen for 8 years. I think it gives her a chance to make an impact in helping people, not reporting on their misery after the fact. I like pre-emptive action rather than reacting to a tragedy or scandal - that's true heroism and Chloe will now be in the thick of it. I don't know why so many people object to it.

[Amelie]

I don't see speculation as being against the rules.

Did I ever state that speculation was against the rules? No. So what is your point?

[Dustmite]

Did I ever state that speculation was against the rules? No. So what is your point?

I already my point. When people don't know for certain, speculation happens.

[Amelie]

And Chloe slept with Jimmy while she was interning in high school - give me a break. Sheesh!


Right. So people could speculate that Chloe only got into the DP because of Jimmy's special help the second time around. I mean it's not like she got into the DP the first time without any help so why would the second time be any different? But see, that's just speculation, we have no proof so I personally wouldn't waste my time spinning that around...

[Tess is Smokin]

Amelie your on fire Lol. you go girl.

[Dustmite]

Right. So people could speculate that Chloe only got into the DP because of Jimmy's special help the second time around. I mean it's not like she got into the DP the first time without any help so why would the second time be any different? But see, that's just speculation, we have no proof so I personally wouldn't waste my time spinning that around...

She got it in Thirst and we saw the interview. We saw her getting the job. We saw the handshake and we saw the welcome. There is NO room for speculation at all. She didn't meet Jimmy again till after she had been working there. NO speculation needed.

And taking offense to Lois being bashed but doing the same to Chloe. Yeah...:rolleyes:

[eas]

Why are folks talking about Lois in a Chloe thread? Man, that woman must be pretty awesome if people can't even stop talking about her in a thread devoted to Chloe.

I've watched this episode a few more times since I last posted here and I have to say that I really loved Chloe in this episode. This was, through and through, a Chloe-centric episode. (As so many of S8 epis are.) Something that would normally make me cringe. However, I thought Mack and Durance both played Chloe beautifully. Obviously, Mack was better at it (since she *is* Chloe) but Durance kept up pretty well.

What I enjoyed about this episode was that we sort of got a trip down Chloe's life. It starts out with Chloe getting the present of the book from Clark - which, as we know, was the beginning of her journey with the weird and unexplained in Smallville. This leads her to marching through the pages of her life... she winds up at the DP, very close to the desk that she had there before, and sees what she's moved away from. She works with Clark (like the old times) on a problem that has nothing to do with Brianiac or Doomsday. And she feels that old rush that she used to feel when she worked to solve a problem and tried to figure out how Clark should solve things. It came full circle with her realizing that - out of all her jobs - being Watchtower is the one that she enjoyed the most.

Overall, I thought that this episode went a long way towards addressing the same concerns that fans have had about her character for the past few years. It's like they took all the questions and answered them. Chloe, herself, voiced discontent with the direction of her life (including the ill-advised foray in the MF-shrinkdom) and even stated that her Chloe-fire came back.

And, just in general, I really enjoyed her scenes with Ollie. I hope we see more of them together.

[Amelie]

Thanks, Tess! And I will take your advice and go. Out of this thread that is. I can already foresee the discussion going in endless circles which is just not my thing...

[Mickey_Bickey]

Thank you for squashing that FALSE ACCUSATION.

Thank you, Amelie! :)

It's a very weak argument, and one that should never be brought up unless you actually know what an alcoholic is. The term is loosely thrown around in these threads, and it's a desperate attempt to try to make Lois Lane look bad.

Apparently, Chloe had something to drink as evident by the hangover medicine by her bedside in this episode. It doesn't make either woman a bad person for having a few drinks at their age.

Also, in this episode I thought it was very fitting that they finally put the big kobosh on the Chlois theory. Chloe becoming the Watchtower is an honor not a slap in the face to her character.

[Bizarrolover]

I thought this thread was about Chloe, not a new way to bash Lois.

[sunset]

Wow! Lots of passionate posters here!!

I don't think they ruined Chloe at all--but gave her the next level position to being Clark's sidekick to a JL sidekick, or a better term, being Watchtower! (as posted earlier) Actually, it's better than sidekick because she's part of the team. The last scene was amazing: Chloe was literally glowing when she spoke. She looked strong, confident and empowered! The complete opposite of the first scene.

But I have to admit Hex was a "slap" to Chlois supporters because they were literally told by Clark himself (as posted earlier) that there is only one Lois Lane!!!

By the way, thank you Amelie for defending Lois!!! (Some people are so unfair!)

[supercatmom]

Al/Miles have said that they wanted Lois Lane on the series from the beginning (Season 1). When they couldn't get her they created the character of Chloe to be a stand in for Lois, the intrepid reporter. A stand in for Lois not someone who would evolve into Lois.
Lana, the love interest and Chloe, the reporter would together equal Lois Lane.

But over the seasons, Chloe has evolve into a character in her own right. First as Clark ally, then Ollie"s and now as Watchtower. I think it is now her destiny.

[Alicia Chipy]

I think Choe has found her true calling as Watchtower.I look forward to her development during season 9.She is no longer pseudo-Lois,she is her own person for me.

[TheAmazingApe]

I think the episode was a message to disregard history because it means nothing. This bitter, steely Chloe that works for the guy who blackmailed her with no qualms is not the same character I invested in. By even addressing Chloe's previous dreams and years of hard work, this episode only highlighted how badly Chloe's story has been told this season as opposed to when her character and her actions made sense.

YMMV, of course, but I will always be a fan of this girl (and thank you to Khyla for this list:


"the paper's my whole life"

"you'll have to excuse our intrepid reporter"

"you are a good reporter, Chloe."

"my work spoke for itself"

"my little cub reporter"

"you saw a story and you went right for it, that's what journalists do."

"color me journalisticly intrigued!"

"such a promising young talent"

"Perry White… you were once the kind of reporter that I would like to be… multiple Pulitzer nominations…"

"A good reporter always thinks on her feet!"

"You’re headed for Metropolis. You are destined to be a big shot reporter at the Daily Planet."

"Chloe, You're a reporter. You investigate and expose. That's who you are!"

“go ahead and sprinkle some of your ‘Hemingway dust’."

"journalism isn't about sitting back and waiting for someone to hand you the truth,.,,sometimes you actually have to work for it."

"got my first byline in the Smallville Ledger… and the second you start throwing people thirty feet, I'll write nice things about you too."

"you don't earn your press pass by making friends"

"Chloe, I understand you're very good at getting to the bottom of things."

"you're always after hard to get articles…"

"dust off your reporter's hat"

"I would burn my press pass if I thought it would come between us.
"No you wouldn't. It's too much of who you are... And right now, I need it."

"you're getting what you always wanted, the story of a lifetime!"

"so who was I in your AU, editor and chief of the Daily Planet, or Pulitzer Prize winner…"

"I got in on the ground floor of my dream! OK, it's actually the basement but it's THE DAILY PLANET!..."

"ok… you have to indulge me for just a moment, to see my first Daily Planet byline."

"with all due respect… I'm not an assistant. I'm a reporter!"

“always knew the Torch would light the way to the big league....
Well i for one have read all your stories. and as much as some things change, some things always remain the same”.

They killed that girl in Hex. No two ways about it, IMO. This is not the same person and I don't see that as a good thing. Just years of development thrown out as irrelevant.

Then they, by extension, gutted those people that fell in love with that girl. I don't know who this new person is. But it's not my Chloe Sullivan.

[Dustmite]

I think the episode was a message to disregard history because it means nothing. This bitter, steely Chloe that works for the guy who blackmailed her with no qualms is not the same character I invested in. By even addressing Chloe's previous dreams and years of hard work, this episode only highlighted how badly Chloe's story has been told this season as opposed to when her character and her actions made sense.

YMMV, of course, but I will always be a fan of this girl (and thank you to Khyla for this list:


They killed that girl in Hex. No two ways about it, IMO. This is not the same person and I don't see that as a good thing. Just years of development thrown out as irrelevant.

Then they, by extension, gutted those people that fell in love with that girl. I don't know who this new person is. But it's not my Chloe Sullivan.

Not mine either but she's still the only character I care about mostly because of AM. 7 years down the pan :\

[cloisthelegendbegins]

They killed that girl in Hex. No two ways about it, IMO. This is not the same person and I don't see that as a good thing. Just years of development thrown out as irrelevant.

As someone pointed out in another thread (and I've added to their list), I don't see why Chloe should be different from any other character on the show. No-one has ended up where they thought they would be in the end. To me the story was always in the journey.

Lex wanted to be a good person who helped the world - he turned into a villain
Clark wanted to be a normal farmer then a football player - becomes a superhero
Martha Kent was a house wife and mother happy with her life - is now a senator
Lana made a huge leap from a girl who went to Paris to study art to the woman wearing a super suit fighting crime.
Lois would rather have died first than end up a journalist across the desk from the most bumbling reporter on the masthead.
And
Chloe wanted to be a reporter and is now Watchtowers for the Justice League.

She hasn't exactly been singled out for different treatment here.

[Dustmite]

As someone pointed out in another thread (and I've added to their list), I don't see why Chloe should be different from any other character on the show. No-one has ended up where they thought they would be in the end. To me the story was always in the journey.

Lex wanted to be a good person who helped the world - he turned into a villain
Clark wanted to be a normal farmer then a football player - becomes a superhero
Martha Kent was a house wife and mother happy with her life - is now a senator
Lana made a huge leap from a girl who went to Paris to study art to the woman wearing a super suit fighting crime.
Lois would rather have died first than end up a journalist across the desk from the most bumbling reporter on the masthead.
And
Chloe wanted to be a reporter and is now Watchtowers for the Justice League.

She hasn't exactly been singled out for different treatment here.

We knew where those people would end up apart from Lana which I don't buy anyway. Her plot was contrived and quite frankly doesn't fit with her character just as Chloe's doesn't fit hers. They switched her story.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

We knew where those people would end up apart from Lana which I don't buy anyway. Her plot was contrived and quite frankly doesn't fit with her character just as Chloe's doesn't fit hers. They switched her story.

And the bold part is where we'll have to agree to disagree. You saw a path set in stone, I saw a path that led her to where she is now. Chloe's path was always wide open as an original Smallville character and I am sorry there are people who are unhappy with this new direction, but there are many Chloe fans - from what I can see - who ARE happy with it. And isn't part of the complaint people have about the show that Chloe is needed because otherwise the show is boring because we know how the story ends? If everyone knew where Chloe's story ended too wouldn't that make her role just as predictable as the rest?

[chlo-el]

I understand all of the frustration and sadness of seeing Chloe not being a reporter any more and had to be thrown out of the DP by protecting Clark and her involvment in keeping his secret. And I really truely loved seeing her journey becoming a reporter but to me her journey also showed her struggle in protecting her friends and being a good and loyal friend and her single minded journalism dream. There were times when she chose journalism over her friends but in the end she ultmately chose her friends over journalism. And yes it would have been great if she could have found a balance but it just shows how good and loyal and selfless Chloe is. It doesn't ruin her character to want to help people and save the world over exposing people it gives her character more strength and depth.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

I understand all of the frustration and sadness of seeing Chloe not being a reporter any more and had to be thrown out of the DP by protecting Clark and her involvment in keeping his secret. And I really truely loved seeing her journey becoming a reporter but to me her journey also showed her struggle in protecting her friends and being a good and loyal friend and her single minded journalism dream. There were times when she chose journalism over her friends but in the end she ultmately chose her friends over journalism. And yes it would have been great if she could have found a balance but it just shows how good and loyal and selfless Chloe is. It doesn't ruin her character to want to help people and save the world over exposing people it gives her character more strength and depth.

Well said! ITA! :D

[chlo-el]

And the bold part is where we'll have to agree to disagree. You saw a path set in stone, I saw a path that led her to where she is now. Chloe's path was always wide open as an original Smallville character and I am sorry there are people who are unhappy with this new direction, but there are many Chloe fans - from what I can see - who ARE happy with it. And isn't part of the complaint people have about the show that Chloe is needed because otherwise the show is boring because we know how the story ends? If everyone knew where Chloe's story ended too wouldn't that make her role just as predictable as the rest?

So true. That's one of he great things about Chloe being an original characters her story could go anywhere. And it gives the show more mystery. There always is he question mark of what is going to happen to Chloe. We all know what happens to everyone except Chloe. It still has this big question mark. Which makes the story more exciting and intrigung keeping people guessing.

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Well said! ITA! :D

Thanks.:)

[dobby]

So, Chloe is over journalism. She's now the Watchtower, which is part of the DC mythos. You would think that Chloe fans would be happy about this development. :rolleyes: I guess some people aren't going to be happy unless Chloe magically manifests herself into Lois Lane, and lives happily ever after with Clark. :rotfl:

This is a show about CLARK KENT. This season, excluding the arc from hell, shows that Clark is finally growing up and becoming more heroic. I would have thought Smallville fans would be happy about that, instead of moaning about Chloe's arc. [MOD EDIT] Chloe made her choice. And the choice's that she's going to make are the ones that should be concerning her fans.

[TheAmazingApe]

We knew where those people would end up apart from Lana which I don't buy anyway. Her plot was contrived and quite frankly doesn't fit with her character just as Chloe's doesn't fit hers. They switched her story.

This was not the plan. I remember an interview that had Goughlar saying Chloe would never stop being a reporter. (If someone remembers the one, I'd love a link). Something got switched. Whether it was because of the change at the helm or network meddling, I don't think this was the plan all along.