View Full Version : What a waste of an episode
xrayvision
03-26-2009, 06:39 PM
This episode is such a pointless filler. We have Clark & Davis/Doomsday and the inevitable clash that will take place between them, and now they're just wasting time with such a ridiculous episode that once against shows Clark wanting to be normal. Give me a break.
abbaspice1
03-26-2009, 06:49 PM
You know, Clark ha to learn the same lesson over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
I think SVClark has earned the title of BDA.
RedKRules
03-26-2009, 07:02 PM
This episode is such a pointless filler. We have Clark & Davis/Doomsday and the inevitable clash that will take place between them, and now they're just wasting time with such a ridiculous episode that once against shows Clark wanting to be normal. Give me a break.
I totally agree.
Shadowlord367
03-26-2009, 07:04 PM
I wholeheartedly disagree.
This may be able to be classified as a "filler," but it was an incredible one at that.
A DC Comics guest star who with the absolute perfect actress, a brilliant storyline that radiated throughout all the characters, an incredible super leap, the veil being pulled off of Clois, Chloe embracing watchtower, and magic portrayed on Smallville without being campy?
It also established the Chloe vs Lois thing that needed to be covered at some point on the show, and gave ED yet another chance to shine.
redkryptoniteisthebest
03-26-2009, 07:06 PM
Clark has now fully learned his lesson on "being normal".
I agree completely, Shadowloard367. It was a great episode!
Kal El 12
03-26-2009, 07:07 PM
average episode..... a filler episode cool ending tho...
Xanusus
03-26-2009, 07:07 PM
I knew going in that this would be a filler eppy. For a filler eppy it wasn't too bad.
Smallville6
03-26-2009, 07:08 PM
I wholeheartedly disagree.
This may be able to be classified as a "filler," but it was an incredible one at that.
A DC Comics guest star who with the absolute perfect actress, a brilliant storyline that radiated throughout all the characters, an incredible super leap, the veil being pulled off of Clois, Chloe embracing watchtower, and magic portrayed on Smallville without being campy?
It also established the Chloe vs Lois thing that needed to be covered at some point on the show, and gave ED yet another chance to shine.
Totally agree :D
AndiGirl
03-26-2009, 07:08 PM
I wholeheartedly disagree.
This may be able to be classified as a "filler," but it was an incredible one at that.
A DC Comics guest star who with the absolute perfect actress, a brilliant storyline that radiated throughout all the characters, an incredible super leap, the veil being pulled off of Clois, Chloe embracing watchtower, and magic portrayed on Smallville without being campy?
It also established the Chloe vs Lois thing that needed to be covered at some point on the show, and gave ED yet another chance to shine.
ITA
It was a filler...but that didnt stop me from loving it! :D
Night_Hawk90
03-26-2009, 07:09 PM
i agree this episode was pointless imo, im kinda of tired of people telling how clark is supposed to be when will he figure this out himself gawd.
Dresden
03-26-2009, 07:10 PM
I wholeheartedly disagree.
This may be able to be classified as a "filler," but it was an incredible one at that.
A DC Comics guest star who with the absolute perfect actress, a brilliant storyline that radiated throughout all the characters, an incredible super leap, the veil being pulled off of Clois, Chloe embracing watchtower, and magic portrayed on Smallville without being campy?
It also established the Chloe vs Lois thing that needed to be covered at some point on the show, and gave ED yet another chance to shine.
I wholeheartedly agree. However, to the original poster, at the beginning of the episode I was really getting a sense that they should have done more with the episode so I understand where you are coming from. But the last 15 minutes really pulled the episode together for me and I understood the purpose of it. I was blown away and loved the episode!
Lauren_17
03-26-2009, 07:15 PM
I loved this episode because, in all honesty, it touched on issues that we all face: to be someone else or to have a different life or be normal. It's how we evolve into the people we become. In the end, Chloe knew she is Watchtower, and Clark realizes his destiny is to help humanity.
FLyxNERD
03-26-2009, 07:17 PM
yea i agree..episode was pointless..a filler with a good ending
they should of aired this episode in the beginning of the season
thehenry89
03-26-2009, 07:17 PM
It was a good episode, I knew it was gonna be filler and so I had no outrageous expectations about this thing.
myankskent
03-26-2009, 07:19 PM
This is just a fluff episode. TPTB do still have 5 more episode to work with so I guess I can't really complain about it too much. Had this been episode 20 of the season, I would feel differently.
Cogito17
03-26-2009, 07:20 PM
I disagree, I thought it was a good episode.
And while you are entitled to your interpretation, I think they showed Clark actually wanting his superhero life and not the "normal" life. As Zatanna said, the wish only applied to what he thought he wanted in that moment (regardless of whether it was his true desire). Throughout the rest of the episode, they put this issue to rest, with Clark showing that he does in fact WANT the life that he is leading as the reporter/super hero.
Supsfan
03-26-2009, 07:22 PM
This is just a fluff episode. TPTB do still have 5 more episode to work with so I guess I can't really complain about it too much. Had this been episode 20 of the season, I would feel differently.
I have no issues with "fluff" episodes as long as they are entertaining. We just finish witnessing 2 episodes a month ago that were anything but fluff and I found them terrible. Looking at some spoilers for the next few episode that seem to tie into the main storyline(but not Clark heavy) doesn't get my hopes of having major storylines dominate the episode is always a good thing.
Kel-El09
03-26-2009, 07:23 PM
I feel like this episode was as pointless as "sleeper". But at least in this episode, there was some good Clois, and it made me laugh. I just don't see how this tied into the arc.
abbaspice1
03-26-2009, 07:27 PM
Clark has now fully learned his lesson on "being normal".
I agree completely, Shadowloard367. It was a great episode!
Do you really believe this will be the LAST time he needs to learn this lesson?
I wish I had oyur faith, but I have a feeling of Deja Vu.
warriorrenegade
03-26-2009, 07:29 PM
It's quality filler, not fluff. Does it suck they are holding off on Clark/DD? Yes ofcourse, but I didn't get the feeling that this episode would have a Clark/DD clash. It was what it was promised to be. And that was a Clois mash up and a intro for Zatana...and it worked.
thehenry89
03-26-2009, 07:30 PM
where is it written that to be a good episode it has to tie into the over all season arch. Some of the most memorable episodes of the x-files had nothing to do with the overall season them doesn't make them anyless good.
stenochick
03-26-2009, 07:33 PM
If it was filler, then it was quality, entertaining filler.
There were spoilers regarding Clark wearing glasses. Had they kept the glasses in and they had some kind of spell attached to them that made Clark unrecognizible, then that would have moved the story along considerably. But, all we got was the mild-mannered reporter without the glasses.
SuperheroFan87
03-26-2009, 07:34 PM
I feel like this episode was as pointless as "sleeper". But at least in this episode, there was some good Clois, and it made me laugh. I just don't see how this tied into the arc.
Did you just compare it to Sleeper?:) "Sleeper" sucked sour frog b@lls! Hex was brilliant!:D
Supes4Ever
03-26-2009, 07:35 PM
Any episode that gives us Clark Kent saying "I am finally the man my father wanted me to be" when talking about how Jonathan told him he would be a symbol for hope, is NOT a pointless episode. This built a Clark Kent who has FINALLY embraced his destiny. Remember the end "I don't know, a life without responsibilities felt pretty empty" quote from Clark? Yeah, this was a good episode all around.
ClubXerxes
03-26-2009, 07:35 PM
Filler? Hardly...simply because it did not have the gravitas of previous episodes does not automatically qualify this as filler. A big part of the story line (whether some of us like it or not) was Chloe's lack of place. She was beginning to be crowded out by other characters (Lois, Oliver, etc.) Now, she has a clear purpose. This is good. I cannot stand it when people are shoehorned into a story without a clear purpose.
I think they have missed out on some serious story magic by making her Watchtower, but I can accept it. Personally, I would have had her take the villain's path and set her up in opposition to Clark and Lois. It would have been perfect - jealousy, revenge...all the good stuff that makes a great tragedy. Alas, they chose a fate for Chloe that would please her fan base - and I can accept that.
When I get an episode like this, I try to remind myself that this is not the Dark Knight. Batman is always a serious and very dark story. The Superman comics have always interjected humor into their storytelling, so I feel this is perfectly appropriate.
But...for those who must have dark storytelling at all times, fear not...the darkness will return with bony protrusions to boot.
IMO...of course
superdoomsday
03-26-2009, 07:37 PM
This episode is such a pointless filler. We have Clark & Davis/Doomsday and the inevitable clash that will take place between them, and now they're just wasting time with such a ridiculous episode that once against shows Clark wanting to be normal. Give me a break.
My thoughts exactly.
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Any episode that gives us Clark Kent saying "I am finally the man my father wanted me to be" when talking about how Jonathan told him he would be a symbol for hope, is NOT a pointless episode. This built a Clark Kent who has FINALLY embraced his destiny. Remember the end "I don't know, a life without responsibilities felt pretty empty" quote from Clark? Yeah, this was a good episode all around.
Well, I have to agree here also. Clark's speech about jonathan was one of the few highlights of the episode. Glad Clark still talks about good old daddy Kent.
Night_Hawk90
03-26-2009, 07:42 PM
Did you just compare it to Sleeper? "Sleeper" sucked sour frog b@lls! Hex was brilliant!:D
no offense but hex was no where near brilliant, yes it was better than sleeper but come on many are.
SuperheroFan87
03-26-2009, 07:48 PM
no offense but hex was no where near brilliant, yes it was better than sleeper but come on many are.
:lol: Sorry, that last line made me laugh.............because its true! Magnetic and Spell were Shakespeare compared to Sleeper!:lol::)
ClarkyBoy14
03-26-2009, 08:01 PM
I don't really see it as filler. No, it didn't move the Doomsday plot along, but it did move the Chloe character, Clois relationship, and Ollie/Lex plots along. Also, Clark's scene with Chloe where he said that he doesn't want that simple life was pretty good too.
xrayvision
03-26-2009, 08:04 PM
I wholeheartedly disagree.
This may be able to be classified as a "filler," but it was an incredible one at that.
A DC Comics guest star who with the absolute perfect actress, a brilliant storyline that radiated throughout all the characters, an incredible super leap, the veil being pulled off of Clois, Chloe embracing watchtower, and magic portrayed on Smallville without being campy?
It also established the Chloe vs Lois thing that needed to be covered at some point on the show, and gave ED yet another chance to shine.
No, the storyline did not radiate across Clark because once again it made him look like an idiot who was holding back. He seemed like a complete hypocrite in the episode, first thinking he was normal and then not wanting to have it any other way.
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I wholeheartedly agree. However, to the original poster, at the beginning of the episode I was really getting a sense that they should have done more with the episode so I understand where you are coming from. But the last 15 minutes really pulled the episode together for me and I understood the purpose of it. I was blown away and loved the episode!
I liked Clark talking her out of it, but they could have written this episode so much better.
myankskent
03-26-2009, 08:07 PM
No, the storyline did not radiate across Clark because once again it made him look like an idiot who was holding back. He seemed like a complete hypocrite in the episode, first thinking he was normal and then not wanting to have it any other way.
But I thought that the whole point was that this wish did not represent Clark's deepest desire.
xrayvision
03-26-2009, 08:08 PM
I disagree, I thought it was a good episode.
And while you are entitled to your interpretation, I think they showed Clark actually wanting his superhero life and not the "normal" life. As Zatanna said, the wish only applied to what he thought he wanted in that moment (regardless of whether it was his true desire). Throughout the rest of the episode, they put this issue to rest, with Clark showing that he does in fact WANT the life that he is leading as the reporter/super hero.
My problem with this is that for Chloe, the magic ended when she finally realized what she wanted deep down more than being Lois Lane (or having her life). For Clark, it wasn't like that. Clark was shown knowing what he wanted before & after the magic, therefore, the magic should not have affected him since he was living the life he wanted deep down inside. The magic did not apply consistently to Chloe as it did to Clark.
For Chloe, it ended up giving her what she deep down really wanted at the time. For Clark, it gave him what he just gave a mere thought to, but not what he really wanted deep down.
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I have no issues with "fluff" episodes as long as they are entertaining. We just finish witnessing 2 episodes a month ago that were anything but fluff and I found them terrible. Looking at some spoilers for the next few episode that seem to tie into the main storyline(but not Clark heavy) doesn't get my hopes of having major storylines dominate the episode is always a good thing.
The problem is we had 2-3 fluff episodes with Lana. Now's the time to get the series moving again.
myankskent
03-26-2009, 08:11 PM
My problem with this is that for Chloe, the magic ended when she finally realized what she wanted deep down more than being Lois Lane (or having her life). For Clark, it wasn't like that. Clark was shown knowing what he wanted before & after the magic, therefore, the magic should not have affected him since he was living the life he wanted deep down inside. The magic did not apply consistently to Chloe as it did to Clark.
But Clark didn't know that he had powers until the very end so he can't want a life that he doesn't remember.
xrayvision
03-26-2009, 08:13 PM
It's quality filler, not fluff. Does it suck they are holding off on Clark/DD? Yes ofcourse, but I didn't get the feeling that this episode would have a Clark/DD clash. It was what it was promised to be. And that was a Clois mash up and a intro for Zatana...and it worked.
I know. They haven't done anything with Clark preparing for the showdown by going against a tough opponent who can hit about 70-80% about what Doomsday can. How will Clark not get creamed if this continues? The FOS is still broken, and Clark hasn't done jack with it.
Amelie
03-26-2009, 08:16 PM
But I thought that the whole point was that this wish did not represent Clark's deepest desire.
Exactly. This episode showed that his wanting a simpler life was a momentary feeling and we saw that the wishes weren't really what the heart wanted deep down inside, but rather what the mind thought the heart wanted. As for Clark specifically at the end he reinforces this by stating that being an average joe was empty. He states that waking up as himself he has purpose on his life and he likes that. This is the most Superman thing he has said all season. I loved it.
xrayvision
03-26-2009, 08:16 PM
But Clark didn't know that he had powers until the very end so he can't want a life that he doesn't remember.
What I'm trying to say is that the magic at the time it affected Chloe gave her what she wanted deep down inside at the moment. But what Clark wanted deep down inside at the moment the magic affected him was what he already had. Therefore, it shouldn't grant him anything since he already had everything he wanted. The desire of a life of an average joe already passed. He just brought it up once at the Daily Planet and then blew it off because he knew what he really wanted.
I think it would have been good for Clark to be shown unselfish and use his wish to get Chloe & Jimmy together so they can talk & perhaps repair their marriage.
Kschreck
03-26-2009, 08:18 PM
Actually, I think this episode is a season highlight. I loved the whole Lois and Clark at the Daily Planet fill, Zatanna was a great actor, the episode felt a little less budget and overall great writing and great acting from everyone. Clark doesn't really know who Doomsday is or where he is. Clark is just waiting for Doomsday to strike and I think next episode should deliver what Doomsday fans want.
I wholeheartedly disagree.
This may be able to be classified as a "filler," but it was an incredible one at that.
A DC Comics guest star who with the absolute perfect actress, a brilliant storyline that radiated throughout all the characters, an incredible super leap, the veil being pulled off of Clois, Chloe embracing watchtower, and magic portrayed on Smallville without being campy?
It also established the Chloe vs Lois thing that needed to be covered at some point on the show, and gave ED yet another chance to shine.
I agree. They cast Zatanna perfectly imo.
Lilah
03-26-2009, 08:19 PM
We knew it'd be a filler from the get go. It doesn't take away from the fact that it was freaking hilarious and fun.
myankskent
03-26-2009, 08:22 PM
What I'm trying to say is that the magic at the time it affected Chloe gave her what she wanted deep down inside at the moment.
I think that it gave Chloe what she thought she wanted in that moment, but I don't think that this is what she wanted deep down.
But what Clark wanted deep down inside at the moment the magic affected him was what he already had. Therefore, it shouldn't grant him anything since he already had everything he wanted.
If the wish was about something that Clark wanted deep down, then I would agree that the magic should never have affected him but that was not the case.
I think it would have been good for Clark to be shown unselfish and use his wish to get Chloe & Jimmy together so they can talk & perhaps repair their marriage.
I guess TPTB could've gone in another direction. I can see how this episode, yet again, moves Clark back a step before bringing him back to where he was all along by the end of the episode. I think that TPTB need to stop doing this kind of stuff because "Infamous" was very similar to this. But like I said above, the one saving grace with this episode was that Clark's wish was not about what he wanted deep down.
redeem147
03-26-2009, 08:22 PM
I like the Doomsday story, but I LOVED this episode. Why does everything have to be part of an arc? (though I would say it's part of the Clark/Lois arc). Why can't things be sexy and fun?
blink2matrix
03-26-2009, 08:23 PM
i personally liked the episode and felt it at least helped progress the Clois story a bit. I liked that it was light hearted and a "fun" episode which i feel we hadn't had in a while.
What I'm trying to say is that the magic at the time it affected Chloe gave her what she wanted deep down inside at the moment. But what Clark wanted deep down inside at the moment the magic affected him was what he already had. Therefore, it shouldn't grant him anything since he already had everything he wanted.
I think it would have been good for Clark to be shown unselfish and use his wish to get Chloe & Jimmy together so they can talk & perhaps repair their marriage
i think that zatanna specifically said that the wish wasn't exactly what was your "deepest" wish and instead just what was your wish on the surface (what you were thinking at the moment). When Chloe's wish was made she was staring straight at Lois and had just made the commentary so this "surface" wish was granted. Same happened with Clark. He had just made commentary on how the weird in his life is so common that it isn't weird anymore.
I think it would have been good for Clark to be shown unselfish and use his wish to get Chloe & Jimmy together so they can talk & perhaps repair their marriage
it would have been great if Clark used his wish for someone else but the problem with that is that Clark didn't know his wish was being granted and the freshest desire on his mind was the normal life idea.
shamville
03-26-2009, 08:28 PM
I mad chloe didn't talk about she almost dieing to clark. By now she start feeling like something going to happen to her.
jpfort1957
03-26-2009, 08:28 PM
It did give me my Smallville fix.............. to get by till next thursday.
greatodinsbeard
03-26-2009, 08:29 PM
I really liked this episode it was fun. There is nothing wrong with filler if it is entertaining and this was the most entertaining episode since Legion and probably of the whole series.
It is nice to see a light comedic episode once in a while. Plus for anyone thinking Clark still wants to be normal I'm pretty sure he was just stressed when he unconsciously made that wish. But man was it comedic gold.
This wasn't a waste of episode, power and requiem where wasted episodes this one was just awesome.
xrayvision
03-26-2009, 08:32 PM
I guess TPTB could've gone in another direction. I can see how this episode, yet again, moves Clark back a step before bringing him back to where he was all along by the end of the episode. I think that TPTB need to stop doing this kind of stuff because "Infamous" was very similar to this. But like I said above, the one saving grace with this episode was that Clark's wish was not about what he wanted deep down.
This is what keeps driving me crazy. These writers must really not be creative to pull off this same 2 steps forward, 1 step back dance. I wanted to see more of Tess & Clark's interaction and a followup of the file Jimmy left on her desk. Do they really expect me to believe that the file wouldn't have had an impact by now? :rolleyes:
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it would have been great if Clark used his wish for someone else but the problem with that is that Clark didn't know his wish was being granted and the freshest desire on his mind was the normal life idea.
Even more so. That would show that the #1 thing on Clark's mind at any given moment is not himself, but others.
mrw66855
03-26-2009, 08:37 PM
[quote=xrayvision;4665866]No, the storyline did not radiate across Clark because once again it made him look like an idiot who was holding back. He seemed like a complete hypocrite in the episode, first thinking he was normal and then not wanting to have it any other way.quote]
I am sorry I respect your opinion but I completely disagreed with that statement. You are still thinking Clark Kent is Superman he is not. Clark Kent is a human who lives a normal human life. Kal-el is Superman. He is not human. And I also disagree with you about how Clark acted in this episode. He acted and said and did things that a normal human would do. This is why Clark Kent is Superman's human disguise. I will say again, Clark Kent is not Superman, but Superman is Clark Kent. I also think that this episode filled two purposes. First, it hinted at the fact that Clark Kent is the perfect disguise for Superman hopefully the writers will use these events as a learning experience for Superman to show him that he can pull off both identities and second it also shows that what Superman wants to do is save people and not live a normal life. I thought in this episode. Clark Kent went completely on point to what Clark Kent should be. He was very logical, and his mindset and he still tried to help people the way ordinary human would. Think about it when most humans try to help a person out of a mugging, in my opinion no, they would be too scared. So having Clark Kent, call the police made logical sense to me. Also, the situation with Chloe made perfect sense as well. If somebody told me they were in somebody else's body and that magic did it. I would be skeptical as well. Remember. Just my opinions.
I wholeheartedly disagree.
This may be able to be classified as a "filler," but it was an incredible one at that.
A DC Comics guest star who with the absolute perfect actress, a brilliant storyline that radiated throughout all the characters, an incredible super leap, the veil being pulled off of Clois, Chloe embracing watchtower, and magic portrayed on Smallville without being campy?
It also established the Chloe vs Lois thing that needed to be covered at some point on the show, and gave ED yet another chance to shine.
I felt the same way.It was the best filler episode in these past few seasons which have been so much more serious,unlike seasons 1-4.This episode was absolutely amazing and so much fun to watch.And I think it was needed like shadowlord367 said,they adressed the chlois theory and Clark wanting to be normal,but deep down realizing that he really does want to save and help people daily.This episode was just brillant.
smallvillereporter27
03-26-2009, 08:44 PM
Filler, yes, but somewhat necessary. It was kind of like a "hey, lets get perspective on what's been going on lately" kind of episode. It worked and I liked it. It cleared the air and now we're in the final stretch towards the finale. :)
6-Super-Man -5
03-26-2009, 08:45 PM
Yeah, Zatanna was perfectly casted, very good actress.
I'm hoping she returns sometime in Season Nine.
cygnusx1
03-26-2009, 08:48 PM
i thought the episode was hilarious. the scene on the rooftop with chloe/lois is telling clark about his powers was gold. him calling 911 during the mugging was genius. it was a fun episode.
xrayvision
03-26-2009, 08:50 PM
I am sorry I respect your opinion but I completely disagreed with that statement. You are still thinking Clark Kent is Superman he is not. Clark Kent is a human who lives a normal human life. Kal-el is Superman. He is not human. And I also disagree with you about how Clark acted in this episode. He acted and said and did things that a normal human would do. This is why Clark Kent is Superman's human disguise. I will say again, Clark Kent is not Superman, but Superman is Clark Kent. I also think that this episode filled two purposes. First, it hinted at the fact that Clark Kent is the perfect disguise for Superman hopefully the writers will use these events as a learning experience for Superman to show him that he can pull off both identities and second it also shows that what Superman wants to do is save people and not live a normal life. I thought in this episode. Clark Kent went completely on point to what Clark Kent should be. He was very logical, and his mindset and he still tried to help people the way ordinary human would. Think about it when most humans try to help a person out of a mugging, in my opinion no, they would be too scared. So having Clark Kent, call the police made logical sense to me. Also, the situation with Chloe made perfect sense as well. If somebody told me they were in somebody else's body and that magic did it. I would be skeptical as well. Remember. Just my opinions.
I have to disagree because in the comics, it was because Clark Kent wanted to be Superman that he became Superman. He didn't become Superman for any alien reasons but because he was taught by his adoptive parents about the morals that he uses his superpowers to serve. Clark Kent may appear to be a different person than Superman, but they are supposed to be the same person. Superman is just the machine he uses to save lives and spread the morals taught to him by his parents. This is something the comics have shown that this show has failed to do repeatedly. It's the entire nature & beauty of Superman. He doesn't do what he does because he's guilted into doing it or because Jor-El tells him to do it.
BadToad
03-26-2009, 08:57 PM
I don't see this as filler. Well, truth be told, I think the "filler" label is used too easily.
I was not thrilled with the premise, but the reason I don't think this episode is filler at all is because we had some significant character development out of it. We actually heard Clark verbalize how he feels about his life at the present time, i.e. he likes his work at the DP, he wakes up everyday with a purpose, he feels like he's become the man his father wanted. We had Chloe examine what she really wants in her life, and come to a pretty significant decision. We had some clarification of what Clark feels for Lois.
To me, all this stuff was important to clarify. Whether it needed to be done in this premise is a matter of personal taste and opinion. But I appreciate the episode for the development all the same.
And personally, I really liked Clark in this episode. He had a momentary thought that a simpler life would be easier, and Good God, isn't he entitled to have a fleeting thought like that. He didn't actually go out and pursue that goal. In the end, the spell wouldn't have broken if Clark didn't embrace and accept his life and abilities. And I thought that was an awesome moment. He had to take a leap of faith, on Chloe's say-so, based on his own desire to help. And it broke the spell. JMO
mrw66855
03-26-2009, 09:03 PM
I have to disagree because in the comics, it was because Clark Kent wanted to be Superman that he became Superman. He didn't become Superman for any alien reasons but because he was taught by his adoptive parents about the morals that he uses his superpowers to serve. Clark Kent may appear to be a different person than Superman, but they are supposed to be the same person. Superman is just the machine he uses to save lives and spread the morals taught to him by his parents. This is something the comics have shown that this show has failed to do repeatedly. It's the entire nature & beauty of Superman. He doesn't do what he does because he's guilted into doing it or because Jor-El tells him to do it.
I agree with you, but my point was that when Clark Kent is Superman. He is true self into he wants to be. The Clark Kent, we see when he has a reporter is just a disguise to protect the people he cares about and himself Clark even said it in this episode, that when he was just a normal human. It felt empty, and the proactive Clark, the protective Clark the serve the greater good Clark is who he wants to be and who he is. Yes, Superman might be just a machine that Clark Kent uses. But it is a machine that allows him to show the real him. That is all I was trying to say. I hope you can understand my logic and reasoning. Like I said I think this episode was supposed to show us the version of Clark Kent that is a disguise and Clark Kent, who is the true Clark Kent.
xrayvision
03-26-2009, 09:05 PM
I agree with you, but my point was that when Clark Kent is Superman. He is true self into he wants to be. The Clark Kent, we see when he has a reporter is just a disguise to protect the people he cares about and himself Clark even said it in this episode, that when he was just a normal human. It felt empty, and the proactive Clark, the protective Clark the serve the greater good Clark is who he wants to be and who he is. Yes, Superman might be just a machine that Clark Kent uses. But it is a machine that allows him to show the real him. That is all I was trying to say. I hope you can understand my logic and reasoning. Like I said I think this episode was supposed to show us the version of Clark Kent that is a disguise and Clark Kent, who is the true Clark Kent.
I guess I understand what you're saying. But after the waste of the Lana episodes (at least Power & Requiem) I think they had much more important things to do than show this.
GL2814
03-26-2009, 09:08 PM
I though it was going to be a "Freaky Firday" moment for Lois & Chloe.
Just Another Guy
03-26-2009, 09:16 PM
This is the only episode I actually enjoyed from start to finish since Legion (besides Infamous, which didn't really happen anyway :lol: ).
1. We got to see some fantastic development for Clark and Lois. Both of them were great, and I, for one, would like to see very much of Clark squirming for her after the way he ditched her at Chloe's wedding.
2. Some great interaction between Clark and Chloe. Hearkening back to their old, trusty relationship and showing us that they're still the same friends they've always been. (That's a refreshing change, after all the gloominess of Turbulence. And it's nice to see them being themselves with each other, for the first time since... I don't know, maybe Bloodline or Abyss.)
3. Talk of Lex and Jonathan. Two for the price of one! It's always good to remember who we had, and both of these characters were relevant to the episode and/or story arc.
4. A new Justice Leaguer has arrived, even if she hasn't joined the ranks yet. Zatanna was great, and she has a lot of untapped potential that I hope to see in the future.
5. Oliver was back to his old self. It was great to see Luthorcorp, and it was great to see him behaving himself again. Green Arrow also made a return appearance. That was nice.
6. Tom and Erica were great as "simple reporter" and Chloe. The scene on the roof was hysterical. Although, how did they get down...?
7. C'mon! The ending is one of the only endings to achieve that kind of awesomeness since Subterranean! :D
kal-el_Girl
03-26-2009, 09:20 PM
did we just see the same episode? this was a great one and filler or not it was funny and well written and finally we saw the actors having fun!
I enjoyed it. It's the first episode that I haven't hated since Legion. Honestly, other than the Chimmy pain, if you hadn't seen anything since episode 8, you wouldn't be lost. Personally, I consider any episode without Lois filler. However, her presence alone isn't enough...Story, writing, acting counts for a lot. This episodes worked. I loved it.
Alaska Young
03-26-2009, 09:26 PM
I totally agree. This episode was so stupid.
Night_Hawk90
03-26-2009, 09:28 PM
did we just see the same episode? this was a great one and filler or not it was funny and well written and finally we saw the actors having fun!
i could ask you that same question, this episode has no point to the current story arc, if it was shown earlier than it would have been fine. But come on so much more could have been done to develop the doomsday storyline, instead i have to see an episode of why the chlois theory is completely invalid. But then again im not surprised
Just Another Guy
03-26-2009, 10:24 PM
You know what the one thing I hate about story arcs is? It's that a good episode gets hammered for being "filler" just because it didn't further said arc. Can't we have a good standalone episode (with good character development, no less) instead of all this Doomsday nonsense for one lousy episode?
Loisdragon
03-26-2009, 10:24 PM
I loved this epside
Minamostaza
03-27-2009, 06:28 AM
I totally agree.
Super agree, I didn't like it at all :\ But the last scene was awesome!
BackToTheLies
03-27-2009, 06:35 AM
the thing about Clark learning the same lesson over again is a fair point. I loved the episode but his line about "finally" being who his father wanted him to be had less weight behind it than it should have, simple because he's had so many similar "epiphanies" in the past.
72001
03-27-2009, 06:41 AM
Hex jumps the tracks on the best Smallville story lines. Magic and Smallville don't go together. Stick with aliens and meteor freaks!
Sarevokcz
03-27-2009, 06:42 AM
i could ask you that same question, this episode has no point to the current story arc, if it was shown earlier than it would have been fine. But come on so much more could have been done to develop the doomsday storyline, instead i have to see an episode of why the chlois theory is completely invalid. But then again im not surprised
yea, because Chlavis arc is the only arc we have this season, right?
We got funny episode, probably the funniest epi this season.
Clark FINALLY realized that there is no point in dwelling onto past and continued to embrace his double identity.
Chloes jurnalism and chlark dilema has been solved.
We got some great dialogs, especially with Clark/Chloe-in-Lois
We got new DC character.
We got abit of GA action.
We got abit of not rushed, believable clois.
Episode may be a filler from the DD plot view, but nontheless, awesome filler, better than several episodes of the so-called "current story arc" and most likely one of the best fillers of the series.
SupermanRox
03-27-2009, 06:51 AM
You know what the one thing I hate about story arcs is? It's that a good episode gets hammered for being "filler" just because it didn't further said arc. Can't we have a good standalone episode (with good character development, no less) instead of all this Doomsday nonsense for one lousy episode?
ITA. I LOVED this episode. I think it was great! It was a fantastic episode. The end was the absolute best.
Krypton935
03-27-2009, 06:53 AM
I wholeheartedly disagree.
This may be able to be classified as a "filler," but it was an incredible one at that.
A DC Comics guest star who with the absolute perfect actress, a brilliant storyline that radiated throughout all the characters, an incredible super leap, the veil being pulled off of Clois, Chloe embracing watchtower, and magic portrayed on Smallville without being campy?
It also established the Chloe vs Lois thing that needed to be covered at some point on the show, and gave ED yet another chance to shine.
true dat!!! it's my feelings exactly without the laborous work of typing them out!
Night_Hawk90
03-27-2009, 06:58 AM
yea, because Chlavis arc is the only arc we have this season, right?
We got funny episode, probably the funniest epi this season.
Clark FINALLY realized that there is no point in dwelling onto past and continued to embrace his double identity.
Chloes jurnalism and chlark dilema has been solved.
We got some great dialogs, especially with Clark/Chloe-in-Lois
We got new DC character.
We got abit of GA action.
We got abit of not rushed, believable clois.
Episode may be a filler from the DD plot view, but nontheless, awesome filler, better than several episodes of the so-called "current story arc" and most likely one of the best fillers of the series.
i never said anything about chlavis as you so put it, i was talking about clark and doomsday interaction or maybe going further with jimmy/doomsday storyline. And wow it took clark eight years and chloe as lois to convince clark to embrace his destiny that makes me feel better:rolleyes:. This was a pointless filler imo, so many other storylines could have been exposed.
costas22
03-27-2009, 07:30 AM
As someone said,it was like a quality filler.Hopefully this Watchtower business will continue.Then the episode will have left some sort of legacy behind it.
Mickey_Bickey
03-27-2009, 07:31 AM
This episode is such a pointless filler. We have Clark & Davis/Doomsday and the inevitable clash that will take place between them, and now they're just wasting time with such a ridiculous episode that once against shows Clark wanting to be normal. Give me a break.
Zatanna, Clark Kent and Lois Lane's relationship, Chloe becoming the Watchtower?
This was not a filler. In fact it was the best episode of the season actually.
Night_Hawk90
03-27-2009, 07:37 AM
Zatanna, Clark Kent and Lois Lane's relationship, Chloe becoming the Watchtower?
This was not a filler. In fact it was the best episode of the season actually.
i have to respectfully disagree , i found odyssey, prey, bloodline and, plastique, to be much better episodes than hex, but that's just imo.
Mickey_Bickey
03-27-2009, 07:43 AM
i have to respectfully disagree , i found odyssey, prey, bloodline and, plastique, to be much better episodes than hex, but that's just imo.
I liked those episodes too, but to me Hex is the best so far!;) Every character was on top of their game, and Tom Welling and Erica Durance knocked the cover off the ball! Outstanding all the way around.
The acting was outstanding in this episode, the plot, the writing! Everything!
Did you see the parallel to Odyssey and this episode at the end with the chair squeaking? Very funny! Loved both those moments between Clark and Lois!
Hopefulsuicide
03-27-2009, 07:43 AM
This episode is such a pointless filler. We have Clark & Davis/Doomsday and the inevitable clash that will take place between them, and now they're just wasting time with such a ridiculous episode that once against shows Clark wanting to be normal. Give me a break.
1. This episode is anything but filler. It was setting up the Justice League's return. It put everyone on the right track, and pushed them forward in their storylines.
2. I love filler episodes. Look at episodes like Blank, Transference, Onyx etc. They had story lines that were contained within themselves and yet they are some of the best episode Smallville's ever produced. If an episode is well written, well acted and enjoyable to watch, then it has a point :lol:
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Zatanna, Clark Kent and Lois Lane's relationship, Chloe becoming the Watchtower?
This was not a filler. In fact it was the best episode of the season actually.
Completely agree with you :)
jobookjunkie
03-27-2009, 07:47 AM
1. This episode is anything but filler. It was setting up the Justice League's return. It put everyone on the right track, and pushed them forward in their storylines.
2. I love filler episodes. Look at episodes like Blank, Transference, Onyx etc. They had story lines that were contained within themselves and yet they are some of the best episode Smallville's ever produced. If an episode is well written, well acted and enjoyable to watch, then it has a point :lol:
Too lazy to type what I think...Becky said it for me instead :D Quoted for truth!!
Mickey_Bickey
03-27-2009, 07:49 AM
Too lazy to type what I think...Becky said it for me instead :D Quoted for truth!!
:rotfl:
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1. This episode is anything but filler. It was setting up the Justice League's return. It put everyone on the right track, and pushed them forward in their storylines.
2. I love filler episodes. Look at episodes like Blank, Transference, Onyx etc. They had story lines that were contained within themselves and yet they are some of the best episode Smallville's ever produced. If an episode is well written, well acted and enjoyable to watch, then it has a point :lol:
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Completely agree with you :)
Thanks, Becky! Great post BTW!!
sithius
03-27-2009, 07:56 AM
Are you kidding me OP? Did you even pay attention to the episode?
Chloe stressed to Clark that 'you don't want to be this deep down' making him realize that's the truth, thus breaking the hex. On the roof it was also said that Clark wanted to lead a normal life, but he consciously assumed earlier this meant normal in the sense of mild mannered reporter, hence the hex manifested itself in this way. Part of him wants to live a normal life, who can blame him? Two identities would be an annoyance, but he does it. We saw how in Infamous he was completely happy telling people his secret. If he could tell the whole world he was Kal'el from Krypton and people wouldn't try to harm his family and friends, do you not think he would? The answer is yes, he would, every single time. The desire to be normal for him manifested into a typical reporter, because we've already found out that a single life as Kal'el doesn't work in the public eye.
I thought it was good, because it showed the double identity thing isn't ideal for Clark, but it's necessary. If he really didn't want to help people and be Superman, the hex wouldn't have broken. He just needed this reaffirmed to him (hence it was said in the episode that he was 'reminded') for him to fully realize it.
Just my 2 cents.
myankskent
03-27-2009, 09:48 AM
I think that this episode really dropped the ball on something that could've helped Clark's journey. Instead of Clark thinking that he wanted to be normal, he should've been thinking more about a dual identity. If Zatanna made everyone believe that Clark was a reporter at the DP who wears glasses, that really could've paved the way for season 9.
warriorrenegade
03-27-2009, 09:59 AM
I think that this episode really dropped the ball on something that could've helped Clark's journey. Instead of Clark thinking that he wanted to be normal, he should've been thinking more about a dual identity. If Zatanna made everyone believe that Clark was a reporter at the DP who wears glasses, that really could've paved the way for season 9.
I didn't get the feeling that they dropped the ball in that regard. This wasn't Clark wanting to be normal. At that particular moment it's what he wanted. It's not his deepest desire. Deep down he's the Hero who excepts his powers. But at that moment talking with Chloe and reminiscing about the good o'l days. That thought/ wish was in his head.
Now I agree that they do need to establish his dual identity. They given us hints and Clark has had his moments where he could've used one. But I've grown to accept that TPTB are on their own timetable and they're going to stall as much as possible when it comes to Clarks growth..It should'nt be that way...but it is what it is.
Tompouce
03-27-2009, 10:02 AM
[quote=Shadowlord367;4664896]I wholeheartedly disagree.
This may be able to be classified as a "filler," but it was an incredible one at that.
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ITA. I agree it adds nothing for the story, it is obvious. But what a good comedy ! I liked it, it allowed actors to show how they are good for it, it changes, we are so used to see them tormented. And to see Tom/Clark so fearful (the roof scene)it is priceless:lol:
Just Another Guy
03-27-2009, 04:46 PM
ITA. I agree it adds nothing for the story, it is obvious. But what a good comedy ! I liked it, it allowed actors to show how they are good for it, it changes, we are so used to see them tormented. And to see Tom/Clark so fearful (the roof scene)it is priceless:lol:[/quote]
Well, I completely disagree that it added nothing for the story. We got Watchtower, Clois, and further development for Clark's character.
But I'll totally take your side on the second point. Requiem and Turbulence have soured me to all the grim, gloomy torment on this show. It's lost some of the zest it had, and this episode reminded me they can still find it when they want to.
Hopefully, they'll start looking for it more often. :\
Iluvgreen
03-27-2009, 04:47 PM
Uhhh. Chloe's watchtower......
Clois4eva89
03-27-2009, 04:53 PM
I agree there are some parts that were a complete disappointment. Like for example there were no glasses in this episode,when the spoilers point out that in Hex. Clark believes he is a simple reporter who wears glasses.
Part of me believes they left the glasses out because the spells didn't last.But if that were not the case it would've been a great way to fix the problem. That everyone knows what Clark looks like without the glasses on. They need to fix this issue sometime next season otherwise the mythos won't make any sense.
mr lane
03-27-2009, 04:53 PM
this may have been a filler episode but i think a lot of things were explained in this episode as well
first and foremost they finally answered all of our questions regarding Chloe and the DP. I actually started a thread awhile back asking if Chloe was ever going to go back to the DP and the show answered this, they also finally gave Chloe's storyline a road without so much gravel. In most of the first half of the season her storyline was brainiac and being taken over by him after that for many eps she was just clark's side kick until Turbulence when they showed the direction of the whole jimmy/davis fiasco and now they show us she is moving onto the Watchtower, so this episode carried Chloe's storyline very well.
Also it had Clark realize that his powers really are a gift i mean i think this is the first episode where he says he's glad to have his powers instead of mope over how they influence his life in a negative way.
It also gave us a sneak peek at the JLA and hinted at a new member, Zatanna.
So no i dont think this was a waste of an episode, a lot of things were progressed and a lot of questions were answered IMO
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