Best 17th Episode of the series?

[Poweranimals]

Since no one else has created it yet, I'll do it.

#1-17: Reaper : A man touches people and they turn to dust, becoming a human grim reaper. He thinks he's doing what's right by ending their suffering,

#2-17: Rosetta : Clark places the octagonal disc into the wall of the cave, and is infused with knowledge of his Kryptonian heritage. He is soon contacted by Dr. Virgil Swann, who offers more knowledge on Clark's origins...

#3-17: Legacy : Lionel seems to be coming closer to learning Clark's secret, and goes to Dr. Swann for help. Meanwhile, it seems that Jonathan is somehow communicating with Jor-El, and the consequences of the deal the two of them made are coming to the forefront.

#4-17: Onyx : A Luthorcorp experiment involving kryptonite splits Lex into two beings - "Lex" and "Alexander."

#5-17: Void : Lana meets some students who have created a Kryptonite drug that allows someone to linger near death and speak with her dead parents. This injection has made Lana something like a desperate junkie.

#6-17: Combat : An escape fugitive of the Phantom Zone named Titan is used in Dr. Maddox's underground fight club for meteor freaks. Clark and Lois both find a way in.

#7-17: Sleeper : A representative from the Department of Domestic Security recruits Jimmy to spy on Chloe.

#8-17: Hex : Zatanna grants Chloe a birthday wish which transforms her into Lois. Magical surprises abound.

[rconner]

not seeing Hex, I'd still have to say #2-17 Rosetta with Christopher Reeves

[LoveHurts38]

I will have to say maybe Hex never watched the earlier season's before will edit if I change my mind after episode.

[Luthorism]

I can't tell you the best but i can tell you the worst: 7-17: Sleeper. It was a terrible episode. Clark Kent was guest-starring in his own tv show :lol:

[marcella]

This moment is Rosetta. I can change my mind after watching Hex

[wingster55]

Thus far Rosetta

[stenochick]

Without even seeing Hex, I vote for Rosetta first and Legacy second. They are classic Smallville episodes, and with the passing of Christopher Reeve, they are even more epic. Just my opinion. Also, Sleeper was not very good at all.

[Jaderoyale]

Its going to be hard to top Rosetta tbh.
And i did like Combat as well.

[Supsfan]

I can't tell you the best but i can tell you the worst: 7-17: Sleeper. It was a terrible episode. Clark Kent was guest-starring in his own tv show :lol:

While Sleeper is the run away worst episode of the bunch, there is some tough competition there with Void and Reaper.

[stenochick]

While Sleeper is the run away worst episode of the bunch, there is some tough competition there with Void and Reaper.

There are some worse stinkers than those, but they do not happen to be episode 17's.

Onyx and Combat were pretty good. I am hoping Hex is at least as good as those two. But, for sentimental reasons, it won't top the Chris Reeve episodes for me.

[Supsfan]

There are some worse stinkers than those, but they do not happen to be episode 17's.

I was just going on the choices given, although I must admit watching Lana flatline herself had it's unintentional comedy in it, Reaper was just plain bad.

[Buddy91]

Onyx was clearly superior seeing the sadistic crazy lex that we all know and love makes it hit number 1 on my list

[Hakoon]

I thought Rosetta was very good but Combat holds a special place in my heart cause I finally got to see Clark throw some haymakers (instead of the good ol Toss and Go) on Titan and kick the crap out of him. Such fond memories...oh and Lois in the red leather was nice too :cool:

[ZODisGOD]

I can't see Hex beating Rosetta.

[avisray1992]

I'm going to watch Hex first and then I'll vote. Most likely it will either be Hex or Reaper. I don't really care for any of the other "17th" episodes.

[sunset]

Will probably vote for Hex...

[Lilah]

I'd vote for Rosetta and then Combat cause of the fight sequence... but I have to see where Hex will rank.... oh man.. this will be the toughest for me to vote on yet. And its between two past episodes lol

[Bre723]

For now Rosetta and Onyx, idk if 'Hex" will beat those two.

[RedArrow62]

My rating so far:

1 Rosetta
2 Legacy (especially where Dr. Swann nails Lionel)
3. Hex (???)
4. Combat
5. Onyx
6.Whatever Season 9 has will be better than the bottom 3
9. Reaper should grab Sleeper and fall into Void

[celita]

Brian Miller, I really love you. I wish you could write every single episode. Clark was amazing! Lois great as always and I use to like Chloe when you write her.

Tom and Erica rocked this episode!!!!!

[thehenry89]

this episode beats every single one in the poll, by miles (except rosseta)

[Supsfan]

I would love to vote for Hex but Rosetta is one of the best epsiodes ever so.....

Hex would win out most other polls but not this one

[Night_Hawk90]

rosetta
onyx
combat
hex

[Alexander III]

#4-17: Onyx wins by MILES!!!!!!!!! Long live the Alexander!!!

[Supsfan]

#4-17: Onyx wins by MILES!!!!!!!!! Long live the Alexander!!!

I loved Onyx, but whenever I think of it I always think of that one scene were Lex was telling Lana how perfect she was. I practically burst out laughing the first time I saw it(I am guessing that wasn't the intent)

[ledzepfan23]

It's really close but i think Hex beats out Rosetta by a little bit.

[myankskent]

"Hex" would be way down on my list. "Rosetta" would be number one for me.

['Tonio09]

Its between tonights episode and "Onyx" for me.

[skylar]

Atleast three good episodes on the list but Hex tops them by a nose!!

[superdoomsday]

Combat!

[ginnyfan]

Onyx.

Hex was fun though.

[sunset]

Hex. Prefer fun and happy.

[AgentChaos]

Sleeper
Onyx
Rosetta
Hex
Combat
Reaper
Legacy
Void

No, that is not a mistake. Sleeper was IMO the best 17th episode of the series.

[wingster55]

Yep definetly Rosetta.

[liana]

As amazing as Hex is, nothing beats Rosetta. In a second place, I would put Onyx and Hex.

[ZODisGOD]

Hex was a good comedy episode, but Rosetta really is the best one on that list.

[Lilah]

Rosetta was great but this was too funny

[Night_Hawk90]

im absolutely dumbfounded that hex is doing better than rosetta

[ReDKrYpToKaL]

I had to vote for Rosetta and Chistoper Revees, Hex was second though. Tonight's episode was really good. Hopefully this trend will continue for the end of the season.

[6-Super-Man -5]

I liked "Hex" the best so far.
Can't wait to see what Season Nine has to offer.

[wingster55]

im absolutely dumbfounded that hex is doing better than rosetta

As am I. I know it's an opinion but...seriously what?

[kal-el_Girl]

rosetta? onyx? hex? Amazing episodes and don't know which is better, but I went w/ rosetta, and because of Chris.

[zorasuperman]

hex blew the others socks off :D

[clois-destiny-forever]

I think Hex was the best.

[REebee52]

How... How is Hex DESTROYING Rosetta? I'm completely dumbfounded. The mythology was so rich, and Christopher Reeve showing up was nothing short of incredible. Hex wasn't bad, but it wasn't great, it wasn't a classic, episode staple-point like Rosetta. I'm absolutely speechless! Like someone said, I know it's an opinion, but generally the opinions aren't so... wrong?

1. Rosetta. For it's sheer awesomeness. The deepening of the mythology and having Christopher Reeve guest star blow most SV episodes out the water.
2. Combat. The most action packed SV episode to date, but also had, by far, the best fight scene. It really showed Clark as POWERFUL, as a warrior for peace, which most modern audiences aren't familiar with. Most movies show him LIFT things, this showed him kick ass. It might not have been the most proficient writing, but it was one of the most exciting episodes.
3. Legacy. We got to see Christopher Reeve come back, though it wasn't QUITE as much an impact as his first appearance. But the scenes with him and John Glover were great.
4. Onyx. We got to see Michael Rosenbaum flex his acting muscles and split between the evil man we knew Lex would become and the good Lex we knew would eventually be buried. It was a great episode in the stankhole that was season 4.
5. Hex. A fun, light hearted episode that introduced the first live-action Zatanna. It was another good episode in a consistently good season.
6. Reaper. It's an episode in original Smallville style. The FOTW is interesting, but never quite as fleshed out as he should be. But it had some good moments.
7. Void. Eh, not a TERRIBLE episode, but I had some problems with it. It had some good moments, even some great moments, but was inconsistent. It was moving to see Clark and Jonathan interact in the beyond, but then we learn, once Clark has died, the Kryptonite in his system is nullified once he passes... What? Then what the hell's the point? Really not a fan. This was one of SV's darker episodes, but it was certainly passable. Good acting, it just wasn't... Smallville-esque.
8. Sleeper. What a piece of shite this was. Where is Clark? Since when did Jimmy become talented enough to be a spy? And why was the only special effect showing a dart shoot from his sleeve button? Man it's terrible.

Besides Sleeper, I'd say the seventeenth episode is consistently good. This is a very strong bunch of episodes in SV's history, but Rosetta takes the cake.

[superjude]

I am voting for HEX, but it was really tough to decide between that and Rosetta and Combat! I loved all three.

[wingster55]

I don't mean to offend anyone but I think it's the best only from a Clois perspective.
Just like how they may think this season better than say 3 or 5.

[REebee52]

I don't mean to offend anyone but I think it's the best only from a Clois perspective.
Just like how they may think this season better than say 3 or 5.

I guess so, I can think of no other reason. That's fine, just now how I choose to rank the shows. If you're watching for a Clois ship, then you're certainly in your rights to vote that way. Yay democracy.

[SVilleGal03]

Rosetta, Legacy, Hex, and Onyx rule... :D
Reaper, Void, and Combat were all cool... :)
But Sleeper absolutely drools. :mad:

[Night_Hawk90]

I don't mean to offend anyone but I think it's the best only from a Clois perspective.
Just like how they may think this season better than say 3 or 5.

ITA

[Bilza]

I can't believe these polls sometimes. Yes they're all good episodes but to compare them to Onyx or even Rosetta is let's be kind an over reactiion. What is more ridiculous, again as good as Hex was, it's still no way near as good as those episodes I mentioned. A lot of these polls started off in season 8 when comparing them to episodes from previous seasons. People automatically vote for an episode in season 8, completely forgetting about all the other episodes, some of which are clearly better than the episodes of this current season. Maybe it's just new viewers but I would like people to watch all these episodes before they jump on the season 8 episode bandwaggon. Perhaps they get too happy when they see a new episode so their reaction is vote for the episode straight away.

Onyx is one of my favourite episodes if not the best of the entire series so obviously I think it should win hands down! :P

[SGuthrie27]

Gotta vote for "Rosetta," hands-down! And by the way, LOL, who voted for "Sleeper?" :p And RedArrow62, I ditto what you said about your 9th Place choice, haha! Hilarious. I'd actually rank mine in the exact same order, except that I might switch Combat and Onyx (I kind of liked seeing the two Lexes running around).

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[susangail]

Rosetta.

[lana 9]

onyx

[drvr8]

I loved Hex, but had to vote for Rosetta. The first meeting between Christopher Reeve & Tom Welling and the use of the Superman Music at the act break, it sends chills down my spine when I watch the two interact. I got into Superman because of the movies and it's just absolutely amazing that they got the real Man of Steel onto the show twice before his death. Plus the fact that Dr. Swann gets to introduce Clark to a great deal of his heritage and the passing of the torch symbolism with the two men working together. If there's a perfect Superman episode in SV history, it's Rosetta, plus it's the first time that Clark realizes that his parents sent him away to save him.

I agree with the others, most of the 17 episodes besides Sleeper were quite good.

[The Dark Knight74]

Onyx.

[svtwamedfan05]

Have to go with Hex but Combat would definitely be second

[GENERALzod777]

hex was amazing. and the ending was ****ing epic.

[Clark/Lois-fan]

My top 3 of the best 17th episode

Rosetta
Hex
Combat

[AgentChaos]

And by the way, LOL, who voted for "Sleeper?" :p

I voted for Sleeper. I happened to like that episode.

[Luthorism]

I voted for Sleeper. I happened to like that episode.

I honestly want to read your reasons...I mean how? why? :rotfl:

[Mickey_Bickey]

Best!

[blackcelebration]

1. Rosetta (One of Smallville's best!)
2. Hex (Suprisingly good)
3. Legacy (Dissapointing for a Reeves episode but still good)
4. Onyx (Lex is split in two, should have been great but was good)
5. Reaper (With a touch a guy can suck the life out of you...ok)
6. Void (Lana as a druggie... ok)
7. Combat (Clark vs Kane= Lame)
8. Sleeper (Does what the title says)

[badraven]

'Hex' is one of the best episodes of the series...but 'Rosetta' IS the best episode of the series. After that:

3. Combat
4. Onyx
5. Legacy
6. Void
7. Sleeper
8. Reaper

[costas22]

No matter if Smallvile gets 20 seasons,Rosetta will always be the best 17th episode.There is only one Christopher Reeve.After that it's Legacy.The rest go like this:

3)Hex
4)Onyx("I am the villain of the story")
5)Void(i got emotional when i saw Jonathan again and heard his speech)
6)Combat(Kane!)
7)Sleeper
8)Reaper

[stenochick]

After seeing Hex, my vote still stands for Rosetta, but Hex is hands down the best filler episode ever in the history of Smallville.


---the great---
1. Rosetta (just epic - that scene where Chris Reeve is reading the Kryptonian message from Jor-El "This is my only son...Please protect him from evil" with Clark touching the screen as if it were his father)
2. Legacy (Chris Reeve again)
3. Hex (great entertainment and comedy)
4. Onyx (two Lexes)
5. Combat (an actual fight scene with Clark)
6. Void (John Schneider from beyond the grave)
----and the not so great---
7. Reaper (FOTW formula)
8. Sleeper (Clark portrayed as dumber than a bag of hammers)

[SupermanRox]

I liked Hex the best. Combat is a close second.

[JorEl23]

From best to worst, although the top three were all great and equally close in my mind:

1) Season 3: Legacy
2) Season 4: Onyx
3) Season 2: Rosetta
4) Season 6: Combat
5) Season 8: Hex
6) Season 7: Sleeper
7) Season 1: Reaper
8) Season 5: Void

[FlashInSV]

Rosetta. Definitely. Hex follows.

[House of Brock]

It is Rosetta. There is no show without this episode. Probably the most significant episode in Smallville's 8 seasons.

Legacy and Onyx were pretty solid as well. I actually think Reaper is fourth in this list. Think about the other things going on in the episode besides the freak of the week: Clark and Jonathan in a quarrel about that fishing trip and Clark's freedom, Jonathan finds out the Kents were investigated by Lex, Jonathan finally sees some good in Lex at episodes end. It will be easier to judge Hex later on as opposed to the day after it aired, I think it is getting a high rating right now is because it is fresh in a lot of minds. Just like IMDB had the Dark Knight rated as #2 all time in its top 250 movies after its first weekend.

Void was alright, best part was the return of Lilian Luthor and of course the Jonathan Kent speech.
Combat had a good fight scene but that was it. Sleeper is the worst episode ever, I didn't enjoy one minute of it.

[Rhaspodel]

I chose Hex, but Rosetta and Hex were both great. We needed a better episode 17 after Sleeper led me to sleep. So bringing Zantanna brought me back to like this episode and the one Christopher Reeve was first in, Rosetta.

Legacy would be the third best one.

[yoda1138777]

Zatanna Zatanna Zatanna shes too hot

[AgentChaos]

I honestly want to read your reasons...I mean how? why? :rotfl:

I love spy vs. spy stuff, and Sleeper had plenty of it. I love the interrogation scene between Chloe and Agent Webber the Psycho, too.

[supercatmom]

Rosetta will always be number 1 in my book.
But Hex is second.

[wingster55]

How is Hex one of the better episodes of the series? Better than Rosetta? Vessel? Reckoning? Memoria? Shattered? Legacy? Solitude? Transference?
I guess we really do have a lot of new fans.

[REebee52]

How is Hex one of the better episodes of the series? Better than Rosetta? Vessel? Reckoning? Memoria? Shattered? Legacy? Solitude? Transference?
I guess we really do have a lot of new fans.

Haha, so long as they keep the show going!
I agree with you, many of the episodes you said are some of my favorites as well. Hex was entertaining, but was certainly not a classic.

[Iluvgreen]

HEX was so amazing!

[hero`s passion]

Hex all the way:)))))))))

[damara531]

I LOVED Hex, and honestly the only thing swaying my decision to vote Rosetta is the fact that it was such an iconic episode. Christopher Reeve's presence on SV was so important to the progression of the pace of the show at that point in the 2nd season. For that reason it got my vote. Otherwise...Hex was IMO the best 17th episode of the series thus far.

[Hopefulsuicide]

God that was a toughie!

1. Hex
2. Onyx
3. Rosetta
4. Combat
5. Legacy (The one Clana break up I actually respected Lana for)
6. Void
7. Reaper
8. Sleeper

[wingster55]

Haha, so long as they keep the show going!


This is true.

[Krypto_marcus]

Hex was awesome but my vote goes to Onyx.

[Night_Hawk90]

125 votes for hex? maybe i should start watching these episodes high cause im obviously missing out on how this episode was that good

[Justin Murad]

Of course Hex :D

[hanemg]

This a tough one because I really liked "Hex". But, I'd probably say, "Rosetta", "Hex" and then "Combat". But I really really liked "Hex". It was just a fun episode.

[marcella]

Hex, then Rosetta

[Tatiana]

I loved Rosetta but I totally loved Hex as well and it is something new

[lifelovedestiny]

Hex is definetally the best!!!!! Combat comes in second for me because of Lois

[xrayvision]

Rosetta. That episode was just awesome. Legacy was great too & so was Onyx. But Rosetta was probably one of the greatest contributors to the mythos.

[LoveHurts38]

My vote went to Hex just love the episode!!!

[LuthorKent90]

I was a tough choice between Rosetta and Onyx for me, but I went with Rosetta. :)

[Welling_is_pretty]

It was extremely difficult to choose between Hex and Rosetta. Now I am not one of those people who normally vote for the newest one and up til now I would have voted Rosetta. But i LOVED Hex, it was pretty close to perfection and so I had to go with that.

So yeah, Hex. But I wish i could have voted a tie between Hex and Rosetta.

[justice league]

havent seen hex but it looks good i voted for it combat was also great

[justme_007]

rosetta of course

[mimi1123]

Once again I am shocked at the love fest for Hex. It was good - I really liked it (I rated it a 7). But to put it above Rosetta? That episode was special in so many ways.

[REebee52]

Once again I am shocked at the love fest for Hex. It was good - I really liked it (I rated it a 7). But to put it above Rosetta? That episode was special in so many ways.

Indeed, it boggles the mind. Either new viewers/Lois fans, I would think.

[eas]

Indeed, it boggles the mind. Either new viewers/Lois fans, I would think.

Been a viewer since the Pilot. Am I a Lois fan? Yes. But since this was a Chloe-centric episode, that's kind of irrelevant, isn't it?

The reason I loved this episode was because it was coherent, entertaining, didn't contradict itself, and made sense within the general context of the season and the series. It took show canon seriously, while still progressing the plot of one central character (Chloe). Each character was flawed, but still sympathatic and made me remember why I loved them to begin with.

In short: This episode made me remember why I loved this show & why this is worthy of being a Superman show.

Yeah, Lois didn't have much to do with it.

----- Added 3 Minutes later -----


Once again I am shocked at the love fest for Hex. It was good - I really liked it (I rated it a 7). But to put it above Rosetta? That episode was special in so many ways.

What makes "Rosetta" worthy of being higher rated than this one? Everyone has their own reasons as to why they like certain shows. Sure, "Rosetta" had CR as a guest star, but I wouldn't say that it was a particularly well written episode.

I can say I liked that episode for sentimental reasons, but I wouldn't say that it was better than this one.

[batfinx]

Once again I am shocked at the love fest for Hex. It was good - I really liked it (I rated it a 7). But to put it above Rosetta? That episode was special in so many ways.

I vote an episode on a lot of criteria and with Rosetta what made it lose out to Hex for me was on the relevance or non-relevance of the subplot. Remember the subplot in Rosetta? It was a totally unrelated, sappy and boring story of Lana snooping on Chloe's computer looking at pictures of Clark and Chloe at the dance from Tempest. Then to resolve that subplot they dipped into the sub sub plot of the school assignment of making a family tree and Chloe wrote Lana's name in the "sister" branch of the tree. Seriously, come on.

In Hex, the subplot of Oliver was connected through Zatanna like the main plot. And maybe one of the best moments in Hex is where Clark admits he doesn't want to go back to how his life used to be, he said he liked his life at the Planet. He was the hero at the end. As good as Rosetta was and the nostalgia of seeing Chris Reeve, Clark didn't want to embrace his heritage or destiny and didn't want to be a hero and apart from hooking up with Lana or getting a B in algebra, he had no real goals or aspirations.


Indeed, it boggles the mind. Either new viewers/Lois fans, I would think.

As mentioned above, I find Clark as a man a more appealing character who is closer to his Superman goal than the 16 year old Clark in Rosetta. Choosing a favorite episode is totally subjective, to each his own and all that, but nostalgia alone won't cause me to vote for an older episode.

[eas]

I vote an episode on a lot of criteria and with Rosetta what made it lose out to Hex for me was on the relevance or non-relevance of the subplot. Remember the subplot in Rosetta? It was a totally unrelated, sappy and boring story of Lana snooping on Chloe's computer looking at pictures of Clark and Chloe at the dance from Tempest. Then to resolve that subplot they dipped into the sub sub plot of the school assignment of making a family tree and Chloe wrote Lana's name in the "sister" branch of the tree. Seriously, come on.

That's actually what I was thinking of when I mentioned it not being well written. That whole ending with Chloe and Lana was laughable.

Another thing that has always bothered me was that the Dr. Swann plot didn't really go anywhere. Sure, we met Patricia Swann (years later) but by casting CR they made it so that it was pretty much a one-episode thing. I felt that this sort of character would have made an effort to be more involved in Clark's life & the way it went down didn't ring true to me. And the lack of impact on Clark's life (post-Rosetta) made the whole episode seem like it was just an excercise in stunt casting.

What made me choose "Hex" out of that list was that - for me - every single minute of "Hex" is worth watching & re-watching. Whether the focus was on the guest character (Zatanna), Ollie, EDChloe, AMChloe, Lois, or Clark (especially Clark!), I felt that it was all interesting and nothing was filler.

All those episodes had what I consider to be filler, so "Hex" is a best episode, imo.

[oberyn]

Tough call. I really enjoyed "Hex", but "Rosetta" is one of my all-time favorites.

[Diego*Chloe]

im absolutely dumbfounded that hex is doing better than rosetta


Hex was good......for a Cloiser point of view :rotfl: well it did have its good moments like the Chloe ending so no complaining but to called it the best of the series dont think so anyway.....everyone has their opinions.

Onyx is the best for me. ;)

[Gan-EL: the last son]

Hex was awesome but Rosetta was more iconic

[4815162342LOST]

Anything new normally wins.
its stupid, this was a mediocre episode at absolute best.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Anything new normally wins.
its stupid, this was a mediocre episode at absolute best.

Not Power and Requiem actually. In fact, they didn't even come in second. It usually goes by how well received the episode was, and it's not what is new that counts apparently if you go back and look through the episode threads.

I do think that Hex was the best 17th episode that we've gotten so far.

[4815162342LOST]

Not Power and Requiem actually. In fact, they didn't even come in second. It usually goes by how well received the episode was, and it's not what is new that counts apparently if you go back and look through the episode threads.

I do think that Hex was the best 17th episode that we've gotten so far.

Power and Requiem didn't do well because Lana was in it. They weren't great episodes, but were not as bad as people say. I really liked Legion, but people don't rate that much, again because of Lana.
Equally weak episodes like Hex, Committed, Stiletto etc... win because of Clois. It's very obvious. I just looked at the recent Poll, and Echo is holding it's own against RED, that's just straight up retarded.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Power and Requiem didn't do well because Lana was in it. They weren't great episodes, but were not as bad as people say. I really liked Legion, but people don't rate that much, again because of Lana.
Equally weak episodes like Hex, Committed, Stiletto etc... win because of Clois. It's very obvious. I just looked at the recent Poll, and Echo is holding it's own against RED, that's just straight up retarded.

Why is it retarded? Echo was a good episode, but I thought Red was better. Obviously you did too.

I thought Power and Requiem were the worst pieces of garbage that I had ever seen simply because they were not quality. I actually liked Bride, Legion and Bulletproof. Power and Requiem dwarfed Clark's character, derailed any other storylines and made Lana look like the "be all end all". It was embarressing for me to watch Tom Welling in those episodes.

I'm convinced it's why he said he wanted to wait to "sign until her knew what he was getting himself into" and what he was referring to as well at Comic Con when he said "if anything, we've re-energized" the show.

Committed was a great episode, even Tom Welling really liked the script, and you can tell when the actors like what they're doing. TW was completely off in Power and Requiem, because I'm sure he hated what he was doing. The episodes were dum and laughable and made Lana's character look foolish not grown up as well as Clark's.

Hex wasn't a weak episode either. It was quality, it showed Clark in a great light, and Stiletto also had Clark looking strong and saving people, including Lois by takinig a bullet for her. Jimmy Olsen looked great in that episode as well.

Lana putting on a suit to change herself or "find herself" wasn't empowerment and was the wrong message. The ending could have been much better. I had so much hope going into that arc, but what's done is done.

This season's episodes are some of the best, and that's why they're being ranked the way they are. I like Clark and Lois' relationship, but I voted for Red. I'm not going to be subjective out there. If I like something I'll say it, but if I hate it I'll say that too.

[4815162342LOST]

Why is it retarded? Echo was a good episode, but I thought Red was better. Obviously you did too.

I thought Power and Requiem were the worst pieces of garbage that I had ever seen simply because they were not quality. I actually liked Bride, Legion and Bulletproof. Power and Requiem dwarfed Clark's character, derailed any other storylines and made Lana look like the "be all end all". It was embarressing for me to watch Tom Welling in those episodes.

I'm convinced it's why he said he wanted to wait to "sign until her knew what he was getting himself into" and what he was referring to as well at Comic Con when he said "if anything, we've re-energized" the show.

Committed was a great episode, even Tom Welling really liked the script, and you can tell when the actors like what they're doing. TW was completely off in Power and Requiem, because I'm sure he hated what he was doing. The episodes were dum and laughable and made Lana's character look foolish not grown up as well as Clark's.

Hex wasn't a weak episode either. It was quality, it showed Clark in a great light, and Stiletto also had Clark looking strong and saving people, including Lois by takinig a bullet for her. Jimmy Olsen looked great in that episode as well.

Lana putting on a suit to change herself or "find herself" wasn't empowerment and was the wrong message. The ending could have been much better. I had so much hope going into that arc, but what's done is done.

This season's episodes are some of the best, and that's why they're being ranked the way they are. I'm a shipper, but I voted for Red. I'm not going to be subjective out there. If I like something I'll say it, but if I hate it I'll say that too.

Committed was not a good episode, the plot was laughable even for Smallville.(ign gave it 4.8 out of 10) and you can't say whether actors like what their doing because you just don't know.
If your an objective shipper that's great, but the vast majority aren't.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Committed was not a good episode, the plot was laughable even for Smallville.(ign gave it 4.8 out of 10) and you can't say whether actors like what their doing because you just don't know.
If your an objective shipper that's great, but the vast majority aren't.

Well, that's your opinion about Committed. I thought it was a great episode. It advanced the characters and storyline, there was a lot of action in it, and the actors did a spectacular job. Others (many) have agreed. So, again that's fine that you didn't like it, but you shouldn't state it as fact that it wasn't good. I would say the plot for Power and Requiem were laughable, and I'm not alone obviously as they were the two worst ranked episodes along with DD (Power being the worst) from people on this site. Those episodes just didn't fit into the season at all and made no sense, didn't advance the characters or arcs and just seemed to put Lana on a pedestal and try to make her the "be all end all". Sorry, it just didn't work for me. Clark should have made a mature decision in those episodes and have been front and center like he was in Hex, Committed, Stiletto among many others from the beginning of the last season before that shameful arc aired.

BTW, I can say whatever I think actually, thank you very much. It's my opinion. I didn't state it as fact. It was speculation based on the facts at hand. The quote from Tom was a fact. After Power and Requiem aired, it was then that he was holding out, and combined with the "I didn't want to sign until I knew what I was getting myself into" I would guess that it had a lot to do with the ridiculous plot lines of those episodes and how bad it made his character look. He had already signed by DD, so it didn't have to do with that. He loved the Committed script (Smallville magazine). That is a fact.

I've been watching this show since S1, and I've always watched it for Clark. I ship Clois, because I'm a long term Superman fan who has always loved that legendary relationship, and this show is no different. If I didn't like the way it was being portrayed here I'd say so, but I really shouldn't have to explain that. Everyone is subjective to a certain degree. I like Clark, and when his character is compromised then I take issue! And it was many times during S4, S5, S6, S7 and part of S8.

Also, it's against the rules to psycho analyze fans (talking about "most shippers"). Again, I loved Hex, and I think that by the fact that Clark stood head and shoulders above everyone else in Echo that that too was a good episode!

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Well, that's your opinion about Committed. I thought it was a great episode. It advanced the characters and storyline, there was a lot of action in it, and the actors did a spectacular job. Others (many) have agreed. So, again that's fine that you didn't like it, but you shouldn't state it as fact that it wasn't good. I would say the plot for Power and Requiem were laughable, and I'm not alone obviously as they were the two worst ranked episodes along with DD (Power being the worst) from people on this site. Those episodes just didn't fit into the season at all and made no sense, didn't advance the characters or arcs and just seemed to put Lana on a pedestal and try to make her the "be all end all". Sorry, it just didn't work for me. Clark should have made a mature decision in those episodes and have been front and center like he was in Hex, Committed, Stiletto among many others from the beginning of the last season before that shameful arc aired.

BTW, I can say whatever I think actually, thank you very much. It's my opinion. I didn't state it as fact. It was speculation based on the facts at hand. The quote from Tom was a fact. After Power and Requiem aired, it was then that he was holding out, and combined with the "I didn't want to sign until I knew what I was getting myself into" I would guess that it had a lot to do with the ridiculous plot lines of those episodes and how bad it made his character look. He had already signed by DD, so it didn't have to do with that. He loved the Committed script (Smallville magazine). That is a fact.

I've been watching this show since S1, and I've always watched it for Clark. I ship Clois, because I'm a long term Superman fan who has always loved that legendary relationship, and this show is no different. If I didn't like the way it was being portrayed here I'd say so, but I really shouldn't have to explain that. Everyone is subjective to a certain degree. I like Clark, and when his character is compromised then I take issue! And it was many times during S4, S5, S6, S7 and part of S8.

Also, it's against the rules to psycho analyze fans (talking about "most shippers"). Again, I loved Hex, and I think that by the fact that Clark stood head and shoulders above everyone else in Echo that that too was a good episode!

Alright calm down, u obviously have done some in depth analysis on this stuff. All i'm saying is, weak episodes that place emphasis on a favoured ship, like Hex, Committed, Stiletto, Rabid etc.. are only highly rated by the fans because they like the ship.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Alright calm down, u obviously have done some in depth analysis on this stuff. All i'm saying is, weak episodes that place emphasis on a favoured ship, like Hex, Committed, Stiletto, Rabid etc.. are only highly rated by the fans because they like the ship.

No, I just know what I'm talking about.:lol: Thanks!

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No, I just know what I'm talking about.:lol: Thanks!
You have no way of verifying anything that you have said.
All i'm saying is this Episode was pretty mediocre and is in no way better than Rosetta, maybe better than Sleeper tho, maybe :lol:

[Mickey_Bickey]

You have no way of verifying anything that you have said.
All i'm saying is this Episode was pretty mediocre and is in no way better than Rosetta, maybe better than Sleeper tho, maybe :lol:

Well, 153 people would disagree and did as they rated this the best 17th episode out of the choices, and I can verify that just by scrolling up.:lol:

[Night_Hawk90]

i didnt realize hex beat rosetta by that many its rather shocking as rosetta is easily among the greatest episode of all time for smallville. I find it hard to put an episode in s8 over most episodes from smallvilles golden age (seasons 1-2). I thought Hex was okay nothing special it did distance itself away from the dark aspect that filled season 8 but i found the episode mainly pointless. Oliver was honestly not needed and it felt to me that zatanna was not used to her full potential. I dunno i just find that most episodes(today) cant touch the greatness of smallvilles glory days. alot of the times these poll results hurt my eyes

[Mickey_Bickey]

i didnt realize hex beat rosetta by that many its rather shocking as rosetta is easily among the greatest episode of all time for smallville. I find it hard to put an episode in s8 over most episodes from smallvilles golden age (seasons 1-2). I thought Hex was okay nothing special it did distance itself away from the dark aspect that filled season 8 but i found the episode mainly pointless. Oliver was honestly not needed and it felt to me that zatanna was not used to her full potential. I dunno i just find that most episodes(today) cant touch the greatness of smallvilles glory days. alot of the times these poll results hurt my eyes

So, S1 and S2 were your favorites basically. See, I like what we're getting now much better, only because I'm a Superman fan who happened upon Smallville, not the other way around. Not that I'm suggesting you're the latter or anyone else, but I'm just explaining my position.

I liked Hex a lot and the entire first half of S8, and this season's episodes better than S1 and S2 combined. There were a lot of episodes I loved back then, but I like the material and the direction of the characters so much more now. Back then Clark was trying to be normal and avoid his powers to be with Lana. I loved his interaction with the Kents and Lex back then, but even his storyline with Lex just got ruined by both men worshipping and fighting over Lana. That's where the show went really downhill.

I was definitely more entertained by Hex than Rosetta, but I think Rosetta was a more important episode in Clark's journey. Does that make sense?

Now, we're finally getting a Clark who looks and acts more like Superman, and he knows what he must do. I can't wait to see more, and I think the best is yet to come [this season].

[Night_Hawk90]

i understand where your coming from but the main reason why i enjoy the earlier seasons a lot more is because clark was a lot more independent frankly i found him a lot closer to superman in season 1 than in any seasons from 4-7 with some of s8 mixed in. Im not seeing i hate seasons 4-8 but its evident that the show went all over plot wise and character development taking a major toll especially on clark. Im not saying Hex was bad i just did not find it relevant or important in the overall show as i do with Rosetta. It's good you enjoy where their going i thought echo was a step in the right direction character wise.

[Mickey_Bickey]

i understand where your coming from but the main reason why i enjoy the earlier seasons a lot more is because clark was a lot more independent frankly i found him a lot closer to superman in season 1 than in any seasons from 4-7 with some of s8 mixed in. Im not seeing i hate seasons 4-8 but its evident that the show went all over plot wise and character development taking a major toll especially on clark. Im not saying Hex was bad i just did not find it relevant or important in the overall show as i do with Rosetta. It's good you enjoy where their going i thought echo was a step in the right direction character wise.


I agree with that as far as Rosetta goes, and Clark did seem very independent early on. I agree with the seasons you pointed out that it was all over the place and at times almost seemed desperate to me.

Hopefully we keep seeing things improve!:)

[DC Fanboy]

well the majority of fans here are shippers, which makes my presence here uneasy.

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well the majority of fans here are shippers, which makes my presence here uneasy.

Exactly.

[Nimkong]

Onyx is tied with combat in this episode