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Superman of Krypton
03-19-2009, 09:40 PM
She's officially replaced Lana as the show's punching bag (as this episode showed), there's no going back now.

There used to be an overwhelming large Chloe fanbase on these boards; moreso than the other characters.

How do you guys feel about the current direction of the character?

And what do you think should happen to her?

Tebow15
03-19-2009, 09:42 PM
I am sad, but I have seen it coming since the first episode of S8. Since in Legion they didn't know Chloe I think she turn down a dark path and will die in the finale.

HeartChakraBabe
03-19-2009, 09:48 PM
I'm FURIOUS. They've destroyed her character. She's rarely the Chloe I know and love anymore. I am beyond pissed at the writers for that. :mad:

dru-zod2501
03-19-2009, 09:49 PM
mad as hell is what I am. If they couldn't avoid writing her out, at least let her go with the dignity she deserves for crissake

I'm mad, but this character assassination is typical of them; I'm caring less and less

thehenry89
03-19-2009, 09:50 PM
She's not even recognizable to me anymore. Its unfortunate, because she was one of my favorite charachters.

Superman of Krypton
03-19-2009, 10:02 PM
She was the evil Brainiac for the first half of the season, and now shes apparently on the team of the show's villain for the rest of the season.

clois-destiny-forever
03-19-2009, 10:06 PM
It is pretty sad.

smallvillereporter27
03-19-2009, 10:09 PM
I'm ever optomistic that her character will be redeemed in the end. For now though I'm pretty upset. :(

Faby
03-19-2009, 10:09 PM
That woman is NOT Chloe and I am sticking to it.....

Kryppy
03-19-2009, 10:29 PM
All through Season 1-7 all Chloe could talk about was Writing. When these new producers took over it's like they ignored everything about her. If it wasn't for making Lana a Kryptonite hero, that would be the new producers biggest mistake.

Supsfan
03-19-2009, 10:33 PM
She's officially replaced Lana as the show's punching bag (as this episode showed), there's no going back now.

Her plots this season seem somewhat Lana-esque(although I though Brainiac Chloe was good).

Personally I prefered early seasons when Chloe was a background character, came in did her lines and we hardly see her the rest of the show, every now and then she would have more part in an episode if they need a change up, then they would throw her a minor storyarc near the end of the season.

By tearing her down it means we getting to much Chloe on the screen taking away from Clark.

Amelie
03-19-2009, 10:34 PM
I'm FURIOUS. They've destroyed her character. She's rarely the Chloe I know and love anymore. I am beyond pissed at the writers for that. :mad:

This thread is an eye-opener because I really thought that the average Chloe fan (at least on Kryptonsite) was happy with the direction of the show. I know that some fans seem really enamored with Davis and Chlavis.

And I honestly never understood that. Since day one I knew that pairing up Chloe with Davis was a bad, bad idea. I knew that it could only spell one thing, and that was DOOM.

Chloe Sullivan has been very OOC (of out of character) all season long. The choices she makes, the things she refuses to believe and see, the people she trusts, the people she doesn't trust--it's all very confusing and it makes me feel so bad for Chloe because I don't think the way she is acting this season is true to her original character.

Both Jimmy and Chloe are good on my list, but what I don't like about Chloe this season is that she keeps on TRUSTING Davis even when others tells him not to. Yet, she does not trust her own husband, the man she has been in a relationship with for many years now. How does that make sense?

The truth of the matter is that Jimmy was NOT the first person to come to Chloe with doubts about Davis. Clark had doubts and even Davis himself had doubts. But Chloe keeps on not wanting to believe, she keeps on turning a blind eye, and in this episode that denial or blindness was just taken to it's extreme when Chloe did not trust Jimmy at the very beginning of the episode.

Chloe made a mistake. She was in the wrong. And comparing Chloe tasering Jimmy to her putting Clark down with kryptonite in the past is apples and oranges.

The point is that she trusted Davis's word over Jimmy's even though she knows that Jimmy is a good guy and that Davis is highly suspect (by many people: Jimmy, Clark, Davis Himself, ect).

Just as a reporter following your gut instinct, shouldn't Chloe have had AT LEAST some questions? Such as, "Why would Jimmy think this? In fact, why would Clark? And why would Davis himself?"

Basically everything is pointing towards Davis, including his own finger, and yet Chloe doesn't want to see it. And that's why people are so against her actions in this episode.

I see some people wanting to crucify Chloe immediately and those people are balanced out by those who want to crucify Jimmy (heck someone even said Jimmy should have been murdered by Davis--if that is not biased and extreme, I don't know what is). But the average viewer seems to be concerned for Chloe because she is making the stupidest choices this season.

Chloe is literally in the hands of the enemy and she is blind to it. I'm scared for Chloe. I really am. Because I fear that she will not doubt Davis until it's too late. And frankly, it didn't have to get to that point...She's falling....and I just hope that she doesn't stay fallen at the end of the season. :(

Superman of Krypton
03-20-2009, 06:03 PM
Good points.

SGuthrie27
03-20-2009, 06:10 PM
Whoa, Amelie, that's an awesome post. You've hit the nail on the head in so much of what you said there I don't think I can come up with much to add to it. I'll just throw in my two cents on how I feel -- extremely disappointed, sad, and sick and tired of Chloe ending up being every other character's doormat, and now getting portrayed in such a bad light all season. I, too, hope that she'll be redeemed, but I'm increasingly afraid that she may do so at the cost of her life. :(

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

LuckyLois
03-20-2009, 06:31 PM
I love Chloe, but I think when she killed that guy from "Identity" began her downfall. It is really sad, and her character is getting a bit annoying. It frustrates me when she tells Clark what he should do all the time and yet her life is falling apart!

I sure wish the writers could have used Annie's (Cloisthelegendbegins) terrific idea for Chloe and had her go off to Gotham!

Just Another Guy
03-20-2009, 06:42 PM
I think if it continues at this rate, the PS3 will have unforgivably ruined one of the best things about this show. There's still hope, but certain spoilers tend to dampen that.

I do not think the actions she's taken are all that unbelievable, given her experiences since Arctic. She's been through a lot, physically, mentally, and emotionally. It's only natural that she would change. But it's the PS3's job to save her from said turmoil, as opposed to drowning her in it. If they don't, as I have said in many other threads, they will be a disappointment in my eyes.

Alicia Chipy
03-20-2009, 06:45 PM
She is this seasons scapegoat.

quinny06
03-20-2009, 06:46 PM
Chloe hasn't been Chloe since Arrival.

rehana/chole
03-20-2009, 07:57 PM
sticken with chole no matter what she still my fav chater i thing the writer wants us 2 hate chole they want 2 make her in 2 bad character they wnat 2 make her fall they change her bsince all n miles left and u want i stilll like her cause chole is still only person who realy dont thik all pp r bad in the world i like chole akway will alway hav, no matter wat writer make her do she still d best cause she got every one talk one moment they hate next they like next there on shure so hgo figure she de best cause only the best has d hole of kryptonite talking abt her come there harly any thread abt clark since bride chole been talk of town cause no body now at gone happen .chole rock

Tebow15
03-20-2009, 08:14 PM
I am extremely sad for Chloe. I think she will redeem herself, but it will be too late. God Bless ya Chloe.

Lori Lemaris
03-20-2009, 08:19 PM
They are destroying Chloe!

How could they do that. Do you think Al/Miles would do this if they are around?

Would they allow Chloe to die

Watching Smallville
03-20-2009, 08:26 PM
I still like Chloe. I think her relationship w Jimmy has been in trouble from the very beginning, so I'm not so surprised it's in trouble now. She has never put him first. She has always put Clark first. And now she puts Davis first. Because as much as Chloe likes Jimmy, I don't think she loves him. I've never thought so.

And I thought w the Brainiac infection, it made sense that she would want to take another path in her life. It made sense she would give up the Daily Planet. And I really liked her altruism this season. She's been a hero this season. She took in the meteor freaks, she pulled Clark back from the Phantom Zone --wait, that was last season. Anyway, she kept Lana's secret, she helps Oliver. I think she's great. But her heart is confused. I think she loves Clark still. And that makes her heart confused.

Yes, she should have trusted what Jimmy said, and I agree w a lot of Amelie's points. You wrote a really good post, Amelie. At the same time, it seems clear that Davis has grabbed her heart somehow, and she wants to help him. She wants to believe in him. It's hard when your heart tells you something wrong. Sometimes your head just doesn't catch up.

VagrantDream
03-20-2009, 08:31 PM
I love Chloe dearly, hate the crap they've put her though, but continue to love her this season and esp in this ep. it felt a little less like pod-chloe to me, and a little more like Real!Chloe.

Although they still scapegoated her, dangit. but She was right to do what she did, in my opinion.

Legendary Lois & Clark
03-20-2009, 08:32 PM
I actually applaud the writers for being bold enough to take this character (one that had pretty much reached a stalemate in regards to development) into such a new and dark territory. It definitely makes for exciting and dramatic viewing and gets a very strong reaction from some fans. That being said . . . I was still laughing nearly the entire time during Turbulence, especially near the end. Something about 90 pound Jimmy playing the tough/angry guy made me laugh so hard I nearly lost control of my bladder, and there was so much crying in this episode, I thought Chloe was gonna flood out her own apartment. Did she actually think Jimmy was just gonna jump right back into her arms?:rolleyes:
Jimmy may be a bit challenged when it comes to fashion sense, but he's no sucker.

Iluvgreen
03-20-2009, 11:44 PM
There is going back now!!!!!!!!!!!! There is!

quinny06
03-21-2009, 05:01 AM
chole is still only person who realy dont thik all pp r bad in the world

:rotfl: This is the same Chloe who was telling Clark to kill Lex last season?

This is the problem with Chloe. Her fanbase idealizes her. A character has to make mistakes, has to do bad things, or they're not human. They're just boring.

Chloe, Lois, Jimmy, Oliver, everyone, should make mistakes. Doesn't mean they're destroying the character. It means the character had made a mistake, and will have to learn from it.

Actually, the only character who should be perfect is that Superman guy. ;)

rick.itch
03-21-2009, 05:40 AM
im so sorry for her, i think she might die because the 7 last episode is all about her so and so sad(cries) but in hex i think people will start to like chloe .. it's her b-day happy birthday chloe and i hope you dont die

wolverine316
03-21-2009, 05:50 AM
I am glad they are doing this to Chloe. There was no where else to go with the character except follow Clark around. Now she is interesting.

actaeon
03-21-2009, 08:00 AM
I've always thought Chloe was one of the most interesting characters on Smallville, and now she's even more interesting.

How boring it would be if she were still that same high school girl, episode after episode, year after year...

unfocused
03-21-2009, 08:29 AM
:rotfl: This is the same Chloe who was telling Clark to kill Lex last season?

This is the problem with Chloe. Her fanbase idealizes her. A character has to make mistakes, has to do bad things, or they're not human. They're just boring.

Chloe, Lois, Jimmy, Oliver, everyone, should make mistakes. Doesn't mean they're destroying the character. It means the character had made a mistake, and will have to learn from it.

Actually, the only character who should be perfect is that Superman guy. ;)
Agreed on all accounts.


it's her b-day happy birthday chloe and i hope you dont die
Awwwwwwwww


I've always thought Chloe was one of the most interesting characters on Smallville, and now she's even more interesting.

How boring it would be if she were still that same high school girl, episode after episode, year after year...

Exactly. Characters need development, not just for the sake of the character, but for the sake of the fans. And not just Chloe specific fans. All fans. We all have to sit through the stories, and I grew tired of seeing Chloe underutilized, boring, predictable and used that way all the time. She shouldn't have immunity here, everyone needs an interesting story and it's only fair that they put her in one. If that means she is going to die, then alright. If it means she's going to come out of this a better character, that's alright to.

actaeon
03-21-2009, 08:36 AM
Something about 90 pound Jimmy playing the tough/angry guy made me laugh so hard I nearly lost control of my bladder, and there was so much crying in this episode, I thought Chloe was gonna flood out her own apartment. Did she actually think Jimmy was just gonna jump right back into her arms?:rolleyes:
Jimmy may be a bit challenged when it comes to fashion sense, but he's no sucker.

Well said... brilliant!

This episode wasn't about the downfall of Chloe, it was the resurrection of Jimmy. My respect for him went up 10X.

Billy Jor-El
03-21-2009, 08:43 AM
Yes, Chloe is treading water on the Dark Side, but I, too, hope for a redemption for her. I still see her as a major influence as to why Clark will finally become the Man of Steel he's destined to be.

And TPTB are more than a little aware of this board; how callous of them to spit in the face of the fanbase of the show and of Chloe to do harm to her.

chlo-el
03-21-2009, 08:51 AM
I don't think they have shown Chloe's character as down fall. She's going through a hard time. But I think this has been built up. They've shown that Chloe has isolated herself and has been doing everything for everyone else. When that happens to people they end up exploding. It seems almost natural to me and reminist of s2-3. Where she got sick of doing everything for Clark and decided to chse her own career over Clark who didn't appreciate it her. She learned a lot from that and grew from it. And from this I think she'll learn not to always put everyone else first and forget about her own happiness.

topping82
03-21-2009, 09:21 AM
I don't think they have shown Chloe's character as down fall. She's going through a hard time. But I think this has been built up. They've shown that Chloe has isolated herself and has been doing everything for everyone else. When that happens to people they end up exploding. It seems almost natural to me and reminist of s2-3. Where she got sick of doing everything for Clark and decided to chse her own career over Clark who didn't appreciate it her. She learned a lot from that and grew from it. And from this I think she'll learn not to always put everyone else first and forget about her own happiness.

I 100% agree.

There has been no evidence that Chloe is "fallen." I think it makes perfect sense with what Chloe's been going through this season. The writers have been isolating her so that she can find herself and not be in the shadow of everyone else. Chloe Sullivan is coming, and I think we're not going to be seeing "kick Chloe" for too much longer. Why? Because Chloe's not going to let anyone kick her down anymore.

And if that makes her "fallen," then so be it. I just think it makes her have backbone. The watchtower is officially online .

chlo-el
03-21-2009, 09:28 AM
I 100% agree.

There has been no evidence that Chloe is "fallen." I think it makes perfect sense with what Chloe's been going through this season. The writers have been isolating her so that she can find herself and not be in the shadow of everyone else. Chloe Sullivan is coming, and I think we're not going to be seeing "kick Chloe" for too much longer. Why? Because Chloe's not going to let anyone kick her down anymore.

And if that makes her "fallen," then so be it. I just think it makes her have backbone. The watchtower is officially online .

:p Hee Hee. Yeah, it does give her back bone. She's going to have to go the point where she'll be all don't mess with me [spoiler] I have so much people with special abilties at my disposal. [spoiler] Instead of making her secret keeper and helping people thing as something that she has to hide she fully embraces it! Go Chloe!

SupermanRox
03-21-2009, 09:30 AM
I still like Chloe's character. It is nice to see her have some spunk.

BeldarofRemulak
03-21-2009, 09:44 AM
I really am not understanding why everyone thinks Chloe's character is on a downfall with this episode specifically. Granted she did use the taser on Jimmy, but he was about to "kill" or "massively hurt" Davis. Chloe wasnt there for Davis ripping off the first handcuff and she did just wittness Jimmy hallucinating completely. She did try to defend and understand Jimmy stating that she wittness his drip not working the day prior, but Davis obviously sabotage the situation.

From my point of view, I feel like the writers mishandled their relationship from the beginning. I had so much hope for them and I defended their relationship, but the writing was so inconsistant and I never really understood what the writers real objective was. Granted they had to maintain the reality that Chloe was Clark's secret keeper and the fact that she had to decide that she had to lie to Jimmy. I can see how Jimmy would interpret her never believing him, but she had to make that choice. She has to protrect Clark's secret. I am not trying to say that Chloe is perfect, but she is not completely wrong either. Plus characters have to change, characters have to make stupid choices, characters have to do something, or it would be just plain boring to watch.

Hopefulsuicide
03-21-2009, 10:29 AM
I don't see a downfall.

I just see a character who has been consistently interesting, continuing to do so.

It's not the first time she's shown a little darkness, she has never been the strong morally person that some made her out to be. Personally I felt that season 5 was the ruination of Chloe. When she uttered the line 'I think your so amazing' I knew that my Chloe was gone. She became a wetty :lol: Now the girl has gotten a bit less Clark worship minded, and a bit more questioning. I just hope they bring back her investigating. It doesn't have to be journalism, but you don't get rid of that kind of natural urge to be nosy, i know cause i have it too!

chlo-el
03-21-2009, 10:32 AM
I really am not understanding why everyone thinks Chloe's character is on a downfall with this episode specifically. Granted she did use the taser on Jimmy, but he was about to "kill" or "massively hurt" Davis. Chloe wasnt there for Davis ripping off the first handcuff and she did just wittness Jimmy hallucinating completely. She did try to defend and understand Jimmy stating that she wittness his drip not working the day prior, but Davis obviously sabotage the situation.

From my point of view, I feel like the writers mishandled their relationship from the beginning. I had so much hope for them and I defended their relationship, but the writing was so inconsistant and I never really understood what the writers real objective was. Granted they had to maintain the reality that Chloe was Clark's secret keeper and the fact that she had to decide that she had to lie to Jimmy. I can see how Jimmy would interpret her never believing him, but she had to make that choice. She has to protrect Clark's secret. I am not trying to say that Chloe is perfect, but she is not completely wrong either. Plus characters have to change, characters have to make stupid choices, characters have to do something, or it would be just plain boring to watch.

I totally agree. This just got intersting.

Dar'el
03-21-2009, 11:05 AM
i've been a chloe fan since day one, I want her to be with clark. not jimmy. but that ain't gonna happen. I want her to be with jimmy rather than davis, but that ain't gonna happen. her not liking the secret identity of clark was weird. also I was just thinkinig. the courtship and her saying yes, and the wedding was all Brainiac. of course they're on rocky ground. Jimmy is gonna figure out who doomsday is and kick his ass. okay tell "the red blue blur" and he'll kick his ass. I can honestly say at this point. lets go back to a prior season for inspiration and " kill Chloe Sullivan"

marcella
03-21-2009, 11:36 AM
She was one of my fav caracther seasons 1-6. Now I can't stand watching her most of the time

Just Another Guy
03-21-2009, 12:53 PM
:rotfl: This is the same Chloe who was telling Clark to kill Lex last season?

This is the problem with Chloe. Her fanbase idealizes her. A character has to make mistakes, has to do bad things, or they're not human. They're just boring.

Chloe, Lois, Jimmy, Oliver, everyone, should make mistakes. Doesn't mean they're destroying the character. It means the character had made a mistake, and will have to learn from it.

Actually, the only character who should be perfect is that Superman guy. ;)
Every character on this show has made mistakes. (Including Clark, thankfully.) But apparent murder (Oliver), possible drug use (Jimmy), and pending betrayal (if Chloe's story goes down the wrong path) are not "mistakes" to learn from. They're horrible acts of crime and immorality. Acts that each of these would have been firmly against any other day of the week.

Fortunately, in the case of Oliver and Jimmy, there is almost 0 chance that it's going to be as bad as it looks.


I don't think they have shown Chloe's character as down fall. She's going through a hard time. But I think this has been built up. They've shown that Chloe has isolated herself and has been doing everything for everyone else. When that happens to people they end up exploding. It seems almost natural to me and reminist of s2-3. Where she got sick of doing everything for Clark and decided to chse her own career over Clark who didn't appreciate it her. She learned a lot from that and grew from it. And from this I think she'll learn not to always put everyone else first and forget about her own happiness.
I agree. My problems are not with Chloe now. But with where they might take this later.

loislanechick
03-21-2009, 01:08 PM
I've always liked Chloe, she was always one of my favourite characters. I'm glad that she's been with us all 8 seasons and I hope the producers won't ruin her character, because to me it seems that's just what they're doing. Hang in there Chlo.

And Marcella, your avi is hilarious :)

quinny06
03-21-2009, 01:18 PM
Every character on this show has made mistakes. (Including Clark, thankfully.) But apparent murder (Oliver), possible drug use (Jimmy), and pending betrayal (if Chloe's story goes down the wrong path) are not "mistakes" to learn from. They're horrible acts of crime and immorality. Acts that each of these would have been firmly against any other day of the week.

Okay, Oliver I agree with. But murder and drug use are a bit different. And I know you said possible, but the guy took one more pill than he was supposed to. His marriage looks to be breaking down, his wife trusts some random dude over him, and he's in alot of pain. Give him a break.

And I also think every mistake is one you can learn from; if you murder someone and you feel regret, then you never murder anyone again.

BeldarofRemulak
03-21-2009, 03:07 PM
Okay, Oliver I agree with. But murder and drug use are a bit different. And I know you said possible, but the guy took one more pill than he was supposed to. His marriage looks to be breaking down, his wife trusts some random dude over him, and he's in alot of pain. Give him a break.

And I also think every mistake is one you can learn from; if you murder someone and you feel regret, then you never murder anyone again.

I agree that murder and drug use are very different, but he is taking more than just "one" pill more. The writers purposely had Jimmy take 4 because it would imply that he is becoming addicted/depressed (over his current situation) and using the pills as a release. The nurse said "no more than 3 a day or it becomes addictive" Jimmy took 4 in one sitting...you can only conclude that he is going to be taking more through out the day.

Also, Marriage is hard. It is something that you can't just through away. Why propose and get married when you have these issues/insecurities in the first place. Granted I really did not think that they should be married, but I don't think the blame is solely on Chloe. You have to look at the situation for what it is (and that it is a TV show). Chloe clearly did want to believe Jimmy at first. She stated that Jimmy's morphine drip was not working earlier. Davis was able to somehow "fix" that issue and set up Jimmy to look like he is nuts (add onto the fact of Davis setting Jimmy up again and having him freak out over Chloe getting "attacked"). If I was a normal person I would think that Jimmy "could possibly be mistaken"...and I wouldn't want him to get into trouble when he was about to seriously hurt Davis. I can see Jimmy's point of view and understand his frustration. I would rather him have not acted in the manner he did, but rather maybe try some marriage counseling so he can make the marriage work.

quinny06
03-21-2009, 05:03 PM
Also, Marriage is hard. It is something that you can't just through away.

Exactly. Just what I was saying in an earlier post: If marriages on TV were perfect, they wouldn't be interesting.

Also, without ship bias, I thought they were a little young to be getting married. But that's neither here nor there.

Just Another Guy
03-21-2009, 06:00 PM
Okay, Oliver I agree with. But murder and drug use are a bit different. And I know you said possible, but the guy took one more pill than he was supposed to. His marriage looks to be breaking down, his wife trusts some random dude over him, and he's in alot of pain. Give him a break.

And I also think every mistake is one you can learn from; if you murder someone and you feel regret, then you never murder anyone again.
I'll give you Jimmy. In fact, I may have exagerrated his position a bit. But (possible) drug use is still more serious than just hurting someone's feelings, from the perspective of a generally moral guy like Jimmy. And his attitude toward the woman he vowed to spend his life with didn't help much. Not saying that he was off-base, but he was out of line. Could've been the pain killers, but that brings us back to square one.

And I agree that any mistake can be a learning experience. But my point was that some mistakes cannot be swept under the rug. And in Oliver's case, he doesn't seem too remorseful at all yet.

Kryptochloe
03-21-2009, 06:28 PM
I'm not feeling such downfall... yet. Why now she looks different than the old Chloe? maybe because she's growing. She has been through a lot of experiences, tough ones, and that definitely change a person. Does that it means she is for sure walking the dark path?.. Not necessarily (not if the writers/producers don't decide just do that..). I believe mistakes, bad decisions, hard times, are the things that make a human being to grow the most. And if you learn from your mistakes, you can go through everything and get out of it stronger and wiser.
If I were talking about Chloe like a real person who i personally know, I definitely would say she will make it through all of this and will stay on the good side.
But, since this is a tv show, the show runners can do whatever they want with her character, and that's what scares me...

pd: the worst she has done this far, is the "killing Sebastian" thing. But Im still not very clear about that. I need an explanation about what happen there.

This , for me, departs entirely from the behavior that she has had in the rest of the episodes. It just doesn't fit.

BULLITT
03-21-2009, 06:57 PM
Spiraling down to her eventual death.

malft
03-21-2009, 07:10 PM
I have'nt given up on Chloe just yet, I think the way Davis needed her is what she found seductive. Jimmy had Doctors and Nurses to care for him. We arent privy to just how much time she actually spent holding jim's hand at the hospital so we'll have to give her a pass there. Strictly speaking Chloe and Jim have'nt yet consomated their wedding, so it can be annulled readily.

quinny06
03-22-2009, 05:08 AM
And in Oliver's case, he doesn't seem too remorseful at all yet.

Yeah, that is weird. I wonder if they've fogotton that Ollie killed a guy. It was so OOC in the first place, and it seems like he's just moved on.

Reporter
03-22-2009, 05:27 AM
I'm not feeling such downfall... yet.

I agree.

In this past episode, I think she made a decision to trust someone she shouldn't, but I don't condemn her for that.

Sebastian - I'm not convinced that it was Chloe acting completely on her own will. But maybe the rest of the season will give more insight..

Just Another Guy
03-22-2009, 07:58 AM
Requiem created a strong case for Chloe killing Sebastian. But whatever people say against her, the fact is she did it (whether by choice or not) under Brainiac's influence. The same way she knocked Oliver across the floor of the Isis Foundation-- it was not involuntary, but it was certainly brought on by outside persuasion.

Oliver and Chloe's scene doesn't "prove" that Chloe did it on her own. It proves that she is aware she made a grave mistake, with or without the excuse of Brainiac. It's no different than Clark marrying Alicia, or Lana running criminal rounds with Seth Green, or Chloe nearly betraying Clark in Truth, or Clark trying to kill Lana in Splinter.

They were all "themselves," but they all made massive errors in judgment. In fact, with the exception of Clark in Splinter, all of my examples were treated as if their behavior was not entirely uncontrollable. Martha scolded Clark in Pariah, while Chloe and Lana both confessed that their meteor-based influence could not be blamed alone.

chlo-el
03-22-2009, 09:20 AM
Requiem created a strong case for Chloe killing Sebastian. But whatever people say against her, the fact is she did it (whether by choice or not) under Brainiac's influence. The same way she knocked Oliver across the floor of the Isis Foundation-- it was not involuntary, but it was certainly brought on by outside persuasion.

Oliver and Chloe's scene doesn't "prove" that Chloe did it on her own. It proves that she is aware she made a grave mistake, with or without the excuse of Brainiac. It's no different than Clark marrying Alicia, or Lana running criminal rounds with Seth Green, or Chloe nearly betraying Clark in Truth, or Clark trying to kill Lana in Splinter.

They were all "themselves," but they all made massive errors in judgment. In fact, with the exception of Clark in Splinter, all of my examples were treated as if their behavior was not entirely uncontrollable. Martha scolded Clark in Pariah, while Chloe and Lana both confessed that their meteor-based influence could not be blamed alone.

Excellent point!

haydenclaireheroes
03-22-2009, 11:41 AM
She's officially replaced Lana as the show's punching bag (as this episode showed), there's no going back now.

There used to be an overwhelming large Chloe fanbase on these boards; moreso than the other characters.

How do you guys feel about the current direction of the character?

And what do you think should happen to her?


CHLOE!

Chloe is a great charecter i am a fan always have been. The only time i was thinking of not beeing a fan is when she forgot clarks secret but when she remebered i said finally we have our old chloe. But i know what you are saying she is defently not the old chloe from last season. I also can see why people lost the intrest. Chloe use to be this girl who had a reporters nose. I feel her whole origin had been twisted around. She does not even care she is not a reporter. I just always pictured lois,jimmy,clark, and chloe working together on a story. Without chloe lois would still not be a reporter she is the one who got her interested. But i track back and see were did chloe go wrong i also think about her meteor power being gone. She was strong she had a meaning. I miss that. Who else is with me and miss that chloe. i still love her but that is what she needs is her power her strength her work. She needs to be that chloe not the chloe who goes along with everyone who is just a follower. I feel chloe is now like new york at 5 am or at a funeral they all look the same walking like nothing is happening and if you are in the sky on a helicopter you would not see a difference. I just wish chloe could wear a pink shirt and stand out with the black suited crowd. Come on writters make chloe wear a pink shirt.

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Chloe hasn't been Chloe since Arrival.


i think she has not been the same chloe since the first episode of this season.

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sticken with chole no matter what she still my fav chater i thing the writer wants us 2 hate chole they want 2 make her in 2 bad character they wnat 2 make her fall they change her bsince all n miles left and u want i stilll like her cause chole is still only person who realy dont thik all pp r bad in the world i like chole akway will alway hav, no matter wat writer make her do she still d best cause she got every one talk one moment they hate next they like next there on shure so hgo figure she de best cause only the best has d hole of kryptonite talking abt her come there harly any thread abt clark since bride chole been talk of town cause no body now at gone happen .chole rock


same here always will love her somethings i would like to change but if her name is still chloe she is still my fav charecter.

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I love Chloe dearly, hate the crap they've put her though, but continue to love her this season and esp in this ep. it felt a little less like pod-chloe to me, and a little more like Real!Chloe.

Although they still scapegoated her, dangit. but She was right to do what she did, in my opinion.

i think now more than ever i feel that end scene with the window is what is truly a symbolic momment in the show no one got to see. this whole season she had to be strong with everything. But that window shot was looking into chloe really. We saw her breakdown and something that whould be even better would be her triping in the rain were davis was becuase that is were she ended up in the dirt because eveyone took there farshare of kicking dirt on her. It is like mid evil times when you did something wrong you got stoned and who ever passed by could throw a stone. eneyone who passes chloe threw a rock and stoned her. Now she is bleeding and she can not get up she is on a string to die. like a tooth is on a string to come out. Chloe is a symbolic charecter and it means she is going to fall but i think she might come up but there is no certeny. Now she needs to get her healing power back to heal her self. Then she can walk throght people can throw all the rocks they want but she wil not fall again.

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:rotfl: This is the same Chloe who was telling Clark to kill Lex last season?

This is the problem with Chloe. Her fanbase idealizes her. A character has to make mistakes, has to do bad things, or they're not human. They're just boring.

Chloe, Lois, Jimmy, Oliver, everyone, should make mistakes. Doesn't mean they're destroying the character. It means the character had made a mistake, and will have to learn from it.

Actually, the only character who should be perfect is that Superman guy. ;)

great idea if you dont mistakes you are not human. even if you are an alien like clark we all make mistakes. that is why i hope chloe can learn from those mistakes and come up and keep walking.

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Yes, Chloe is treading water on the Dark Side, but I, too, hope for a redemption for her. I still see her as a major influence as to why Clark will finally become the Man of Steel he's destined to be.

And TPTB are more than a little aware of this board; how callous of them to spit in the face of the fanbase of the show and of Chloe to do harm to her.

when you said this i think back to the episode legion and how chloe would die and never be remember and i think there is a reason why chloe was revived and that is to influence clark in his life.

unfocused
03-22-2009, 01:04 PM
Spiraling down to her eventual death.

Lol.