View Full Version : Team Jimmy or Team Chloe?
Lilah
03-19-2009, 09:40 PM
After Turbulence, who's side are you on? And this isn't about fans at all. This is about character (story in the episode, reactions to situations, actions taken, decisions made, etc.)
Tebow15
03-19-2009, 09:40 PM
Team Jimmy.
Superman of Krypton
03-19-2009, 09:41 PM
Jimmy.
There's no reason to support Chloe.
She's on team Bloomesday. Something bad is going to happen to her.
Kschreck
03-19-2009, 09:41 PM
I have to go with Jimmy this time. I love Chloe to death (pun sadly intended) but she hasn't really been there for Jimmy. Jimmy had an amazing performance tonight as well. He deserves more screen time then he has been getting lately.
Jedimaster_TTBaby
03-19-2009, 09:41 PM
Honestly Jimmy....sorry Chloe, I still love you though.
clois-destiny-forever
03-19-2009, 09:42 PM
I'm going with Jimmy, too. They're married and Chloe isn't even giving him a chance. She's just tasing him and running to Davis.
Storm45
03-19-2009, 09:43 PM
Team Jolie.
Sports72Xtrm
03-19-2009, 09:44 PM
Team Jimmy. Chloe probably won't be that affected by it. She's already over it by playing Superhero and getting some Doomsday sex.
SuperKyptonGirl13
03-19-2009, 09:44 PM
like in Bella in Twilight i'm taking no side here, Team Switzerland
Because both of them have made mistakes that made this marriage/ relationship fail
superspider02
03-19-2009, 09:47 PM
hard to really pick, i a little on both sides.
~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
03-19-2009, 09:49 PM
Jimmy all the way! He's way too good for her, she's too far up Davis' butt to give her husband a second thought :rolleyes:
celita
03-19-2009, 09:49 PM
Jimmy
Just Another Guy
03-19-2009, 09:50 PM
Considering they were both irrational and understandable, I'm on neither side. (Or is it both sides...?) I am not, however, on the PS3's side for creating this mess. I wish the producers would get the thorns out of their underwear, and quit taking their apparent frustration out on these characters. At least every other episode now involves tearing down one of the cast members in some way.
I am sick of it, and I am disappointed in the producers.
'Tonio09
03-19-2009, 09:53 PM
Im on Team Jimmy on this one. I loooooooove Chloe. But this ep was definitely form Jimmy's POV and he has some valid points even w/o the Clark/RBB/Davis/Doomsday knowledge.
chloesmygirl
03-19-2009, 09:54 PM
Considering they were both irrational and understandable, I'm on neither side. (Or is it both sides...?) I am not, however, on the PS3's side for creating this mess. I wish the producers would get the thorns out of their underwear, and quit taking their apparent frustration out on these characters. At least every other episode now involves tearing down one of the cast members in some way.
I am sick of it, and I am disappointed in the producers.
My feelings exactly.
When you get right down to it they both thought they were doing the right thing so it's hard to pick a side.
Night_Hawk90
03-19-2009, 09:58 PM
Team Jimmy, jimmy is my new idol after this episode the way he stood up to chloe was the greatest thing in the episode
Just Another Guy
03-19-2009, 10:01 PM
Yeah, there's nothing more annoying than a woman who won't listen to her husband when he's on painkillers.
celita
03-19-2009, 10:02 PM
The Smallville University of Men.
Clark has to teach Ollie one thing or two about kissing (Clark can prectice with Lois and Oliver with Dinah)
and
Jimmy has to teach Clark one thing or two to stand up in front of a woman that constatly hurts you.
thehenry89
03-19-2009, 10:02 PM
Jimmy all the way.
doomvskal86
03-19-2009, 10:04 PM
Jimmy only because chloe is so stuck on davis I think she will be a gonner on the season finale
AndiGirl
03-19-2009, 10:05 PM
I'm on team ANDI!!
Yay me! :D
Sorry....but teams? Seriously.....if you think Chloe was asking for trouble, take a good look at this thread my friends. ;) Just saying...
Amelie
03-19-2009, 10:07 PM
Both characters have made mistakes but as far as this episode goes, I'm siding with Jimmy. Chloe should have trusted her husband and at least investigated what is going on with Davis at the very beginning of the episode. Everyone keeps on forgetting that this wasn't the first time that someone has gone to Chloe with suspicions about Davis. Clark did it and Davis himself. Yet Chloe continually turns a blind eye.
Jawth
03-19-2009, 10:10 PM
Jimmy.
They utterly destroyed Chloe's character tonight. She was always the character that stuck by her loved ones no matter what, but apparently Jimmy just doesn't qualify. Forget that Davis had previously told her he might be murdering people and was covered in other people's blood. Ignore broken handcuffs that no man of Davis' stature could break.
Jimmy acted like a hero, and got treated like a moron for it.
It's not bad writing, it's pathetic.
Supsfan
03-19-2009, 10:14 PM
I always felt Chloe was a bit condescending to Jimmy, nice to see him stick up for himself for a change.
KnightWayne
03-19-2009, 10:15 PM
I love Chloe and all, and I like Jimmy too because I can relate to him, but I had to go with Jimmy on this one. He was right about Chloe, in addition to Chloe admitting that it wasn't Jimmy she found it so "easy" like she did with Davis and Clark. What's the point of them being together anyways?
Kschreck
03-19-2009, 10:15 PM
Jimmy.
They utterly destroyed Chloe's character tonight. She was always the character that stuck by her loved ones no matter what, but apparently Jimmy just doesn't qualify. Forget that Davis had previously told her he might be murdering people and was covered in other people's blood. Ignore broken handcuffs that no man of Davis' stature could break.
Jimmy acted like a hero, and got treated like a moron for it.
It's not bad writing, it's pathetic.
Yeah I really have to agree with you here. Chloe's legacy is being butchered to death as fast as possible. It has been all down hill for Chloe in season 8 and that is a shame.
Kryptochloe
03-19-2009, 10:17 PM
Is this really necessary?? Oh, God...
SGuthrie27
03-19-2009, 10:19 PM
I am refusing to pick an option on this poll just because I'm a diehard Chloe fan, but I have to say, obviously Team Jimmy makes much better sense in this case. Though, at the same time, Chloe's point of view is pretty understandable. Jimmy didn't tell Chloe the whole story of what happened, or show her the proof of the scar on his hand, and with the drugs Davis doped him with, he really did look and act pretty crazy. At the same time, however, this is one incidence when I wish Chloe had done a little more investigating into things -- dust off her old reporter's cap and try to determine if there was any inkling of truth behind her husband's allegations... I feel sorry for them both.
--SGuthrie ><>' :)--
Amelie
03-19-2009, 10:22 PM
I am refusing to pick an option on this poll just because I'm a diehard Chloe fan, but I have to say, obviously Team Jimmy makes much better sense in this case. Though, at the same time, Chloe's point of view is pretty understandable. Jimmy didn't tell Chloe the whole story of what happened, or show her the proof of the scar on his hand, and with the drugs Davis doped him with, he really did look and act pretty crazy. At the same time, however, this is one incidence when I wish Chloe had done a little more investigating into things -- dust off her old reporter's cap and try to determine if there was any inkling of truth behind her husband's allegations... I feel sorry for them both.
--SGuthrie ><>' :)--
Good post. Maybe there should be a third option-- Neither or (both)
Just Another Guy
03-19-2009, 10:23 PM
Yeah I really have to agree with you here. Chloe's legacy is being butchered to death as fast as possible. It has been all down hill for Chloe in season 8 and that is a shame.
Actually, I'm going to second this. Jawth made a very good post.
I'm not saying this to say that I'm against Chloe. I'm just saying it because the PS3 need to hand her character off to someone who actually cares about her.
This is going to ruin the show. :(
Kryppy
03-19-2009, 10:24 PM
Jimmy's.
When Chloe said to Davis "I wonder what our relationship would have been if I never met Jimmy" I did not like that at all. Even if a wife feels that way, she should never say it out loud.
Newguy43
03-19-2009, 10:25 PM
team jimmy!! even though hes usualy a wimper
Just Another Guy
03-19-2009, 10:28 PM
Jimmy's.
When Chloe said to Davis "I wonder what our relationship would have been if I never met Jimmy" I did not like that at all. Even if a wife feels that way, she should never say it out loud.
Actually, she said she wondered if Jimmy wouldn't have been better off if he hadn't met her.
Kschreck
03-19-2009, 10:31 PM
Actually, I'm going to second this. Jawth made a very good post.
I'm not saying this to say that I'm against Chloe. I'm just saying it because the PS3 need to hand her character off to someone who actually cares about her.
This is going to ruin the show. :(
It's going to ruin Chloe, that's for sure. Believe me when I say that I never wanted this to happen to Chloe. Chloe was and still is one of my favorite characters. If they kill her off, I at least wanted her to go out with a bang and not a whimper. Sadly, the spoilers for later episodes suggest that Chloe will continue down this path of blindness. This very well could be the end of the intrepid reporter, Chloe Sullivan.
borednow
03-19-2009, 10:33 PM
Jimmy.
They utterly destroyed Chloe's character tonight. She was always the character that stuck by her loved ones no matter what, but apparently Jimmy just doesn't qualify. Forget that Davis had previously told her he might be murdering people and was covered in other people's blood. Ignore broken handcuffs that no man of Davis' stature could break.
Jimmy acted like a hero, and got treated like a moron for it.
It's not bad writing, it's pathetic.
*cries* Chloe killed Chimmy tonight... I hate that they broke up but I can't blame Jimmy at all! Jimmy loved her so much... and Chloe took a stun gun to him! Damn you Chloe! Damn you! You are so right about everything Jawth... all the signs were there! Chloe should have seen them! Jimmy is the real hero of this show! He showed more strength of character then Clark has ever shown...:mad: I'm so mad right now...
Supsfan
03-19-2009, 10:35 PM
This very well could be the end of the intrepid reporter, Chloe Sullivan.
Intrepid Reporter Chloe Sullivan seemed to die about Season 6 when Sidekick Chloe became her main job description.
Kschreck
03-19-2009, 10:39 PM
Intrepid Reporter Chloe Sullivan seemed to die about Season 6 when Sidekick Chloe became her main job description.
So what, now she's Doomsday's sidekick? :lol:
DavetheAvatar
03-19-2009, 10:41 PM
Heh... I'm with Jimmy. Chloe's in danger of becoming the new Lana in terms of fan hatred...
Young Superman
03-19-2009, 10:43 PM
Team Jimmy.
Supsfan
03-19-2009, 10:44 PM
So what, now she's Doomsday's sidekick? :lol:
No lead female thrown into ridiculous romantic plots.
Amelie
03-19-2009, 10:48 PM
No lead female thrown into ridiculous romantic plots.
That is the sad truth!
Diego*Chloe
03-19-2009, 10:59 PM
Teams??? now your people are just been lame O_o
borednow
03-19-2009, 11:10 PM
No lead female thrown into ridiculous romantic plots.
So said... with this episode single handedly knocked Chloe down about 3-4 spaces on my list... :(
Amelie
03-19-2009, 11:13 PM
^^^ The same thing happened with Lana until the average SV fan seemed to hate her. :(
Kschreck
03-19-2009, 11:14 PM
These poll numbers are not looking good for Chloe...
AgentChaos
03-19-2009, 11:19 PM
As much as I hate these types of threads, in this case, I'm firmly on Chloe's side.
borednow
03-19-2009, 11:21 PM
^^^ The same thing happened with Lana until the average SV fan seemed to hate her. :(
I never really liked Lana... but I never really hated her... except in Promise but that's understandable, I hated everyone in Promise. But this... Jimmy is such a sweet guy, he's been open, and loving and Chloe should have known what with everything else that Jimmy wasn't just going off the deep end. She should have known... :(
Loisdragon
03-19-2009, 11:26 PM
Team jimmy
Cyclonekat
03-19-2009, 11:27 PM
Team Jimmy all the way.
ginnyfan
03-19-2009, 11:46 PM
I'm glad to see Jimmy finally get angry and blow up at Chloe. His final line to her went too far though. OUCH. I'm still on team Chimmy. Whether their marriage survives or not, and despite the lyrics of the final song, I hope they can end the series on friendly terms.
Jawth
03-19-2009, 11:51 PM
As much as I hate these types of threads, in this case, I'm firmly on Chloe's side.
Why? What has she done to show affection for Jimmy at all? She didn't even go to his side when his guts were ripped open, and when he comes back, she treats him like a liar and a moron for doing the right thing. Forget that Clark and even Davis himself said that he was slaughtering people and covered in their own blood, ignore the broken handcuffs and the testimony of your husband.
Jimmy acted like a hero, and she not only treated him like an idiot, but tazed him to boot. She deserved what she got at the end of the episode.
ChloeBot
03-19-2009, 11:55 PM
I'm a Chloe fan but I don't support everything she did in this episode. I think Jimmy was more in the right, even though I don't like him being so cruel to Chloe at the end (but I forgive him because I know he was just understandably upset). Still, I'm not about taking sides or choosing teams. Both characters are good at heart and both characters have made errors in the past and just want to do the right thing in the present.
Jimmy has been right on many thing this season, with the RBB being Clark and now with Davis being Doomsday. He's a smart guy but people don't give him enough character...just like in the comics. :(
Tebow15
03-19-2009, 11:55 PM
I don't think that Chloe can be redeemed from this point on, but tat she is doomed.
Storm45
03-19-2009, 11:59 PM
Last week Chloe was seen as great. If next week she does something acceptable she'll be view as redeemable until a future episode and so on...
Like In Bulletproof, Chloe was seen as fantastic. But the week after in Power she was criticized .
Supsfan
03-20-2009, 12:00 AM
I never really liked Lana... but I never really hated her... except in Promise but that's understandable, I hated everyone in Promise. But this... Jimmy is such a sweet guy, he's been open, and loving and Chloe should have known what with everything else that Jimmy wasn't just going off the deep end. She should have known... :(
For Me, I was cool with Lana/Clana the first couple seasons, the third season it started getting repeatative but I wasn't annoyed with it yet. It was when Lana transformed into a witch in Spell that I decided then and there I hate her character and I never looked back. I guess the whole Lana getting forced into the main stones ARC was annoying in itself, but Spell definantly showed the producers intention of making her a main character even when her storyline didn't involve Clark much that annoyed me. Looking back at season 4 now though Witch Lana seperated from Clark is way better then Clexana of Season 6
Kryppy
03-20-2009, 12:11 AM
Maybe the writers are trying to make us hate Chloe before "something big" happens to her in the Season Finale?
Supsfan
03-20-2009, 12:12 AM
Maybe the writers are trying to make us hate Chloe before "something big" happens to her in the Season Finale?
Have they been working on that since Late Season 5/Early Season 6?
celita
03-20-2009, 12:19 AM
Team Jimmy forever! welcome back baby, I've miss you (angst chimmy... not that much, but totally missed Jimmy and Aaron)
AgentChaos
03-20-2009, 01:20 AM
Why? What has she done to show affection for Jimmy at all? She didn't even go to his side when his guts were ripped open, and when he comes back, she treats him like a liar and a moron for doing the right thing.
When Jimmy was attacked, Chloe went right to his side. She would have stayed with him had not Doomsday kidnapped her. And the first thing she does after being freed from Brainiac is go to see him.
Kalista
03-20-2009, 01:25 AM
When Jimmy was attacked, Chloe went right to his side. She would have stayed with him had not Doomsday kidnapped her. And the first thing she does after being freed from Brainiac is go to see him.
In Legion she packed his bowling shirts, camera, and photography magazines to take to Jimmy. She also baked him cookies. Chloe has been traveling back and forth between SV and Star City visiting Jimmy. She was involved in his care because tried to have him transferred to SV medical center.
borednow
03-20-2009, 01:29 AM
Last week Chloe was seen as great. If next week she does something acceptable she'll be view as redeemable until a future episode and so on...
So we are being silly because we are mad at Chloe when she does bad/wrong/stupid things and we cheer her on when she does brave/kind/good/smart things? :confused:
Sorry I'm mad at her... what she did was a piss off, just like I get mad at Clark, Lex, Lana, whoever when they do stupid/bad/wrong things. If Chloe does something wonderful next week maybe she will win back a little like. I don't see what that is unreasonable at all.
ellives
03-20-2009, 01:34 AM
Jimmy, plus he has a point. She never chooses him when it counts.
Jawth
03-20-2009, 01:47 AM
When Jimmy was attacked, Chloe went right to his side. She would have stayed with him had not Doomsday kidnapped her. And the first thing she does after being freed from Brainiac is go to see him.
Yet it was Lois that played nurse, even though SHE was the one that actually had a job and therefore other responsibilties.
Jimmy told the truth and the evidence was CLEARLY there that Davis was guilty, but did she listen? No. She's never made him a priority.
-Davis was covered in other people's blood and thought he was murdering people
-Clark thought he was guilty too.
-broken handcuffs he couldn't have gotten out off
-Jimmy's testimony.
Yet she doesn't even try to investigate. Jimmy acted like a hero and treated like a missbehaving dog by his wife.
borednow
03-20-2009, 02:08 AM
Yet it was Lois that played nurse, even though SHE was the one that actually had a job and therefore other responsibilties.
Jimmy told the truth and the evidence was CLEARLY there that Davis was guilty, but did she listen? No. She's never made him a priority.
-Davis was covered in other people's blood and thought he was murdering people
-Clark thought he was guilty too.
-broken handcuffs he couldn't have gotten out off
-Jimmy's testimony.
Yet she doesn't even try to investigate. Jimmy acted like a hero and treated like a missbehaving dog by his wife.
*cries* Chloe what have they done to you!
Clark/Lois-fan
03-20-2009, 02:51 AM
Jimmy, plus he has a point. She never chooses him when it counts.
Agree. Thankfully he's not with her anymore.
chlo-el
03-20-2009, 03:59 AM
Well, I always have vote for Chloe. But Jimmy was right about them making a mistake.
Alexander III
03-20-2009, 04:11 AM
If Kara stands on Jimmy's side, then I'll follow her.
Sunny8
03-20-2009, 04:36 AM
I'm with Jimmy, but in this instance I could see why Chloe would think that Jimmy was hallucinating. However, he was right that she never trusted him, she was always by Clark's side instead of his and now she is siding with Davis over him. She also has not been that good of a wife. Lois has been better to Jimmy than Chloe while he has been sick, so I can understand his reaction.
Chloe.
Chloe's been on the show longer and her ability to empathize and trust people is clearly evident. Jimmy's been often portrayed as being insecure of her relationship with Clark and remember how "he" dumped Chloe after deflowering the virgin? How about Kara? The guy needs to get his **** together and possibly even deal with his difficult childhood. Coupled with the trauma of the wedding, it's no wonder he's addicted.
celita
03-20-2009, 06:32 AM
Yeah!! Chloe whent right after Legion, but oops she was back again on Bulletproof and she was ACTUALLY drinking coffe and on her old cherrleader Team Clana on Power...
Geez!! I guess I should forget all the crappy things Chloe does towards Jimmy cause she picked a camara and DVDs for him :rolleyes:
iamfez
03-20-2009, 06:45 AM
I can see both sides so if there was an option I'd have picked "both". But, I'm leaning more towards Jimmy, because he did have a point about her choosing whoever over him. But, saying that you could see where Chloe was coming from in this episode.
If anything both were victims of Davis' manipulation.
LoveHurts38
03-20-2009, 07:01 AM
Team Jimmy
SV'S_immortal_hero
03-20-2009, 07:11 AM
Chloe.
Chloe's been on the show longer and her ability to empathize and trust people is clearly evident. Jimmy's been often portrayed as being insecure of her relationship with Clark and remember how "he" dumped Chloe after deflowering the virgin? How about Kara? The guy needs to get his **** together and possibly even deal with his difficult childhood. Coupled with the trauma of the wedding, it's no wonder he's addicted.
if she trusted the people that mattered jimmy would never have let rip on chloe and expressed his regret at marrying her for her disloyalty
plus hes on meds docs gave him, hes not exactly recovered so i doubt hes addicted to meds when hes been told to take them!
RedKRules
03-20-2009, 07:15 AM
Chloe!!!!!!!!
zorasuperman
03-20-2009, 07:16 AM
team jimmy
as much as i want to be on team chloe's side, I can understand the hurt jimmy is coming from. first it was clark's side and now DAVIS!
at least with clark he was chloe's BFF, and as much as I love Clark, Jimmy boy is your husband chloe.
but see with davis, he's neither her bff or has known her for very long.
Lazy Boy
03-20-2009, 07:16 AM
Firmly in the team Chloe camp.
Kj-El
03-20-2009, 07:27 AM
Jimmy. How can you blame him? The lady in his life goes all out to care for her friend(Clark) but he deals with it. They get married and again he is put on the backburner for Davis. With that in mind and watching the long hug in the hospital with Davis, good for him. Kick her to the curb and move on!
RedKRules
03-20-2009, 08:11 AM
by the way thanks Jimmy for finally having the bones to end that creepy marriage, you knew it was doomed to fail since its beginning .... I will always give you the credit for that Jimmy .... although humilliating your ex wife in front of people didnīt impress anyone ... but I donīt care .... the torture is over........
SV'S_immortal_hero
03-20-2009, 08:13 AM
by the way thanks Jimmy for finally having the bones to end that creepy marriage, you knew it was doomed to fail since its beginning .... I will always give you the credit for that Jimmy .... although humilliating your ex wife in front of people didnīt impress anyone ... but I donīt care .... the torture is over........
does clark get kudos for it then?
mr lane
03-20-2009, 08:46 AM
as many others have said I took can not pick a side
When i saw the clips for this episode i was really hoping when i saw the rest of the episode it would give me a better reason why Chloe goes off tasing her husband but it didn't. whether or not jimmy was on pain meds chloe should have taken a little more time to investigate jimmy's accusations instead of trying to come to terms with him being crazy. but at the same time i think chloe is clouded by her feelings for davis. i think in a way she feels sorry for him or relates to him in someway therefore she lets herself be blinded to the obvious.
someone mentined this a few pages back but does chloe not remember davis coming to her thinking he had been doing bad things? his black outs? being covered in blood? did she not noticed the one broken handcuff that no mere human could break from?
ive said this before and ill say it again, the show always has to butcher someones character and this season it was chloe.
DGirlLois4Clark
03-20-2009, 08:51 AM
Team Jimmy.
Chloe is a rubbish wife!
At first, I would think I'll be on Jimmy's side. Yet Jimmy still did the right thing by leaving Chloe.
Two theories: Either Chloe knows Davis is potentially dangerous and she did what she did to protect Jimmy from certain harm or she has a gut feeling that she must trust Davis for now to prepare for something that's going to happen later on.
I'll say the latter since Chloe looked clueless as to why she trusted Davis over Jimmy.
Either way, Jimmy is now safe from certain dangers. So Chloe got my vote.
luthorian
03-20-2009, 09:21 AM
I'm always on Chloe's team ;)
Kalista
03-20-2009, 09:22 AM
I feel bad for Jimmy and Chloe because they are both being manipulated by Davis. I'm able to empathize with Jimmy a little more after this episode.
Iluvgreen
03-20-2009, 09:24 AM
Even though I love Chloe, I'm siding with Jimmy. Poor guy. She won't even trust him!!! Davis is so rude! He made him look like he was insane, and now he is tearing Chlimmy apart!
DigitalKing
03-20-2009, 10:01 AM
Should Chloe trust someone who jumped from girl to girl and made a deal with Lex Luthor that landed her in lock-up? Should she trust someone who lied for their entire relationship about his family? Should she trust someone she saw hallucinating and ranting at an empty room about how he had to save her when she was fine? I certainly hope that if I ever go crazy, my family does what needs to be done.
mr lane
03-20-2009, 10:07 AM
Should Chloe trust someone who jumped from girl to girl and made a deal with Lex Luthor that landed her in lock-up? Should she trust someone who lied for their entire relationship about his family? Should she trust someone she saw hallucinating and ranting at an empty room about how he had to save her when she was fine? I certainly hope that if I ever go crazy, my family does what needs to be done.
but jimmy isnt crazy :cool:
jumped from girl to girl? there was only kara and Chloe wasn't showing clear feelings herself in regards to clark. Jimmy only made a deal with Lex because he was trying to save Chloe and he was hallucinating thanks to davis not because he's crazy
DigitalKing
03-20-2009, 10:11 AM
but jimmy isnt crazy :cool:
jumped from girl to girl? there was only kara and Chloe wasn't showing clear feelings herself in regards to clark. Jimmy only made a deal with Lex because he was trying to save Chloe and he was hallucinating thanks to davis not because he's crazyIn case you've forgotten, Chloe was hooked up to a lie detector and said she loved Jimmy and Jimmy alone. Further, Chloe had no idea Davis was drugging Jimmy. But I guess we're going to judge Chloe on what she didn't know, while giving Jimmy a pass for chilling with Maxima (oh wait, another girl) to teach Chloe a lesson.
Smallville Vamp
03-20-2009, 10:12 AM
Team Jimmy for sure! :cool:
mr lane
03-20-2009, 10:13 AM
In case you've forgotten, Chloe was hooked up to a lie detector and said she loved Jimmy and Jimmy alone. Further, Chloe had no idea Davis was drugging Jimmy. But I guess we're going to judge Chloe on what she didn't know, while giving Jimmy a pass for chilling with Maxima to teach Chloe a lesson.
what about when chloe was macking with Davis in the alley? they both have faults
i just dont see a reason for chloe not giving her HUSBAND the benefit of the doubt. In the episode Tomb everyone thought Chloe was going crazy seeing people but clark gave her the benefit of the doubt before putting her away
what about when chloe was macking with Davis in the alley? they both have faults
i just dont see a reason for chloe not giving her HUSBAND the benefit of the doubt. In the episode Tomb everyone thought Chloe was going crazy seeing people but clark gave her the benefit of the doubt before putting her away
Maybe later episodes will tell us why. For now, we wait. :)
DigitalKing
03-20-2009, 10:22 AM
Chloe wasn't going to brain someone with a lead pipe in Tomb. Chloe didn't show an addiction to morphine in Tomb. Also, Clark did not believe that Chloe was fully of sound mind at the beginning until Chloe convinced him that if she was going to kill herself, she would have left a note.
A better comparison is Splinter, specifically the part when Chloe pulls greenK on Clark while he's choking Jonathan to death.
mr lane
03-20-2009, 10:25 AM
Chloe wasn't going to brain someone with a lead pipe in Tomb. Chloe didn't show an addiction to morphine in Tomb. Also, Clark did not believe that Chloe was fully of sound mind at the beginning until Chloe convinced him that if she was going to kill herself, she would have left a note.
A better comparison is Splinter, specifically the part when Chloe pulls greenK on Clark while he's choking Jonathan to death.
chloe knew there was no other way of stopping clark, jimmy is not by nature the aggressive type (unless hes doped up by davis) she could have given him a warning before tasing him.
we could go on and on with this debate but what it all comes down to is bad writting
ashleydoll1975
03-20-2009, 10:38 AM
I for one hated Chimmy. It was a relationship that was forced down our throat for years. I am glad its finally over. Still the Chimmy breakup was executed poorly considering the circumstances but it felt oh so good she did it anyway. What should of happened to keep her innocence, she could of said "Stop Jimmy, what are you doing?" She would put herself in front of Jimmy between Davis and put her hand on Davis shoulder which would stop him from changing. By doing that, Jimmy would of felt betrayed that she chooses him over Jimmy's accusations thus ending their relationship. I still voted for the Chloe ship. Davis and Chloe has the better chemistry.
mr lane
03-20-2009, 10:40 AM
I for one hated Chimmy. It was a relationship that was forced down our throat for years. I am glad its finally over. Still the Chimmy breakup was executed poorly considering the circumstances but it felt oh so good she did it anyway. What should of happened to keep her innocence, she could of said "Stop Jimmy, what are you doing?" She would put herself in front of Jimmy between Davis and put her hand on Davis shoulder which would stop him from changing. By doing that, Jimmy would of felt betrayed that she chooses him over Jimmy's accusations thus ending their relationship. I still voted for the Chloe ship. Davis and Chloe has the better chemistry.
:lol: nice avi
CallMeClark
03-20-2009, 10:43 AM
Jimmy all the way.
This is not the Chloe Sullivan I knew... I don't know what the hell is going on with her.
rajman
03-20-2009, 11:00 AM
it will all work out at the end, i just know whats going to happen, my vision of whats going to happen is really emotional
ashleydoll1975
03-20-2009, 11:12 AM
:lol: nice avi
Thank you. I made it myself:D
Chloe just thought that Jimmy was insane, and that's way she tazed Jimmy, cause she taught that she saved Davis's life. And btw, she didn't even trust him!! I wouldn't want that kind of girl in my life either! Go Jimmy, you rock:P.
AndiGirl
03-20-2009, 11:48 AM
I honestly think they are both the victims of a messed up circumstance.
mr lane
03-20-2009, 11:52 AM
I honestly think they are both the victims of a messed up circumstance.
of messed up writting :rolleyes:
Blue85
03-20-2009, 11:58 AM
Jimmy. As much as I like Chloe (she's the best!!), she never trusted him in any way, lied to him consistently, and seemed to always favor Clark and Davis.
Although Chloe swore to keep Clark's secret, she could have spoken with him about the strain it's putting on their marriage. And Jimmy, who confronted Clark on his suspicion that he's the RBB, could be trusted with the secret; he's proved it time and time again. And if Jimmy couldn't be trusted, why did Chloe marry him?
Speaking of trust, I also don't understand why Martha and Jonathan exiled themselves from CK's grandfather (perhaps his only family) because of his secret. I think Martha's father would have incredible respect for the family that was never able to be played out. But I digress...
AndiGirl
03-20-2009, 12:01 PM
of messed up writting :rolleyes:
Yea...I honestly dont know what they are thinking with all of this. :\
BUT, I loved the episode...so there you have it!
It's like a car crash...you know it wrong and horrible, but you cant look away! :lol:
melissan02
03-20-2009, 12:02 PM
Doesn't my avi say it all?????;) Go Jims!:D
mr lane
03-20-2009, 12:13 PM
Yea...I honestly dont know what they are thinking with all of this. :\
BUT, I loved the episode...so there you have it!
It's like a car crash...you know it wrong and horrible, but you cant look away! :lol:
true lol
O'Neill
03-20-2009, 12:34 PM
I think they are both at fault..... thinking a marriage would somehow be their answer. Just more kids trying to act like grown ups. The only marriage on the show that lasted and actually worked was John and Martha's.
Ive got to take Jimmy's side though. Chloe has been in the medicine cabinet again, and apparently she's found the bottle of extra strength stupid.
She's about annoying as Lana......
Nitrous
03-20-2009, 12:37 PM
of messed up writting :rolleyes:
What's wrong with the writing? If anything, the fact that this debate can be looked at from both sides is what makes it such GOOD writing. Not every situation in life is black and white (ESPECIALLY in relationships), and this is a perfect example of that. The combination of Davis's manipulation and both people not fully understanding the situation allows both of them to have legitimate view points. The whole argument is very well written because Jimmy's anger is very understandable, but Chloe's motivations are defendable as well.
Seriously, I think those of you that complain about "bad writing" are just upset because the Chloe/Jimmy story isn't going the way that YOU wanted it to (i.e. the majority of people pissed off over this storyline have no better response than "I love Chloe!! They are making her look bad!!!! It's bad writing!!"). Just because a character or relationship isn't turning out the way that YOU want doesn't mean that the writing is poor.
Those of you complaining over bad writing need to rewatch Lana and her superpowered, kryptonsite suit. Now THAT is ridiculous writing. We finally get a believable episode like this and people still complain. I swear, there is just no pleasing some people...
ticker
03-20-2009, 12:39 PM
of messed up writting :rolleyes:
@Nitrous - see my reply below:
I agree with mr lane... one episode she knows Clark is "into Lois", the next she's urging him in Lana's arms, the next she's incouraging him to embrace destiny, the one after that "whoa there Clarky, where do you think you're going", one episode she's in love with Jimmy , the next 5 she hardly even mentions him (once or twice if I remember right) and the list can go on and on...
However Alison Mack's acting was very good in this episode.
dotsie23
03-20-2009, 12:43 PM
I think they are both at fault..... thinking a marriage would somehow be their answer. Just more kids trying to act like grown ups. The only marriage on the show that lasted and actually worked was John and Martha's.
Ive got to take Jimmy's side though. Chloe has been in the medicine cabinet again, and apparently she's found the bottle of extra strength stupid.
She's about annoying as Lana......
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
DarkClone
03-20-2009, 12:55 PM
I'm on Team Jimmy . . . Chloe has become very preachy and hypocritical this season, making a ton of bad choices in her own personal life. She has been through a lot, but those events don't provide excuses for 3 years of putting Clark before Jimmy, and now putting Davis before Jimmy, and trusting those two instead of Jimmy.
mr lane
03-20-2009, 01:01 PM
What's wrong with the writing? If anything, the fact that this debate can be looked at from both sides is what makes it such GOOD writing. Not every situation in life is black and white (ESPECIALLY in relationships), and this is a perfect example of that. The combination of Davis's manipulation and both people not fully understanding the situation allows both of them to have legitimate view points. The whole argument is very well written because Jimmy's anger is very understandable, but Chloe's motivations are defendable as well.
Seriously, I think those of you that complain about "bad writing" are just upset because the Chloe/Jimmy story isn't going the way that YOU wanted it to (i.e. the majority of people pissed off over this storyline have no better response than "I love Chloe!! They are making her look bad!!!! It's bad writing!!"). Just because a character or relationship isn't turning out the way that YOU want doesn't mean that the writing is poor.
Those of you complaining over bad writing need to rewatch Lana and her superpowered, kryptonsite suit. Now THAT is ridiculous writing. We finally get a believable episode like this and people still complain. I swear, there is just no pleasing some people...
because its not going the way i want it to? dont make assumptions about me
clearly its bad writting when chloe in one episode tells clark to take on a dual identity and in the next tells him to stop being the RBB and quit the DP
one ep she tells him to not hurt lois then the next she tells him to be with lana
in one ep she kills a man
then she spends more time being clark's side kick than being in star city with her fatally injured husband
there are multiple inconsistencies here
how was this episode believable? the way chloe behaved is not the chloe i know
ticker
03-20-2009, 01:04 PM
basically the same answer I gave a bit earlier on ;)
clois-destiny-forever
03-20-2009, 01:05 PM
Is anyone else a little sad that we're reduced to taking sides between Jimmy and Chloe?
mr lane
03-20-2009, 01:08 PM
basically the same answer I gave a bit earlier on ;)
:cool:
ticker
03-20-2009, 01:08 PM
Is anyone else a little sad that we're reduced to taking sides between Jimmy and Chloe?
No, not really ...I saw this coming from a mile away...(after reading the spoilers) :D
mr lane
03-20-2009, 01:09 PM
im re watching turbulence again the ending scene with chloe and clark
after tasing jimmy i wonder how she came to the conclusion that her and jimmy were ok and that she didnt see him dumping her from a mile away
clois-destiny-forever
03-20-2009, 01:13 PM
im re watching turbulence again the ending scene with chloe and clark
after tasing jimmy i wonder how she came to the conclusion that her and jimmy were ok and that she didnt see him dumping her from a mile away
yeah, that "happily ever after" lasted a real long time, didn't it?
tasing usually doesn't help with that...
Lauren_17
03-20-2009, 01:14 PM
Jimmy has to teach Clark one thing or two to stand up in front of a woman that constatly hurts you.
When has Chloe hurt Jimmy? If I understand correctly, Jimmy was the one that left Chloe after their one-night stand.
Also, Jimmy can't accept guy friends, and that's all Clark and Davis is to Chloe, a really good friend. I mean, she married him for god sakes, if that isn't an "I love you" I don't know what else is.
SupermanRox
03-20-2009, 01:16 PM
It's like a car crash...you know it wrong and horrible, but you cant look away!
I couldn't have said it better. Perfect analogy!
DarkClone
03-20-2009, 01:18 PM
When has Chloe hurt Jimmy? If I understand correctly, Jimmy was the one that left Chloe after their one-night stand.
Also, Jimmy can't accept guy friends, and that's all Clark and Davis is to Chloe, a really good friend. I mean, she married him for god sakes, if that isn't an "I love you" I don't know what else is.
There is a HUGE difference between having friends of the opposite gender, and constantly believing/trusting/putting those friends before your significant other.
mr lane
03-20-2009, 01:29 PM
There is a HUGE difference between having friends of the opposite gender, and constantly believing/trusting/putting those friends before your significant other.
agreed and we know these days marriage doesnt mean what it used to :rolleyes:
DisneyBoy
03-20-2009, 01:30 PM
Here's the thing - Chloe's my girl, and I'll always be on her side first and foremost. But she shouldn't have married Jimmy. I get why she did it....but it was her mistake to go through with it thinking that Clark wouldn't get in the way...
The Davis thing I blame her less for. He only came into her life as a result of the Brainiac programming, and it's not like she was pursuing him. He kept coming after her. She doesn't even know that she likes him nevermind loves him. Things between them have been nothing but odd.
As far as "Turbulence" goes, she knew Jimmy was abusing his meds, and he had to be her main focus. She was so distracted by her fears over her marriage that she wasn't about to go investigate Davis. Jimmy had a total breakdown in the hospital! In front of everyone! And needed to be sedated! She wasn't just telling him he was being crazy because she WUUUUVS Davis.
I think she's made some understandable mistakes. It's not like she's been an insecure paranoid guy-in-over-his head. Jimmy knew back in the premiere he shouldn't have proposed because he had serious doubts it wouldn't work out. This marriage is as much his mistake as hers.
And I'm sorry - but abusing drugs is waaaaaay worse than Chloe seeing the good in Davis or keeping Clark's secret.
You know what? I'm still on Team Chloe.
mr lane
03-20-2009, 01:35 PM
Here's the thing - Chloe's my girl, and I'll always be on her side first and foremost. But she shouldn't have married Jimmy. I get why she did it....but it was her mistake to go through with it thinking that Clark wouldn't get in the way...
The Davis thing I blame her less for. He only came into her life as a result of the Brainiac programming, and it's not like she was pursuing him. He kept coming after her. She doesn't even know that she likes him nevermind loves him. Things between them have been nothing but odd.
As far as "Turbulence" goes, she knew Jimmy was abusing his meds, and he had to be her main focus. She was so distracted by her fears over her marriage that she wasn't about to go investigate Davis. Jimmy had a total breakdown in the hospital! In front of everyone! And needed to be sedated! She wasn't just telling him he was being crazy because she WUUUUVS Davis.
I think she's made some understandable mistakes. It's not like she's been an insecure paranoid guy-in-over-his head. Jimmy knew back in the premiere he shouldn't have proposed because he had serious doubts it wouldn't work out. This marriage is as much his mistake as hers.
And I'm sorry - but abusing drugs is waaaaaay worse than Chloe seeing the good in Davis or keeping Clark's secret.
You know what? I'm still on Team Chloe.
i dont think jimmy was abusing his meds until he was released from the hospital, we saw him trying to take more morphine but the machine wouldn't let him and chloe was aware of this, she only thought he was abusing his meds when Davis dosed him up on more hallucinogens which is what Davis wanted everyone to see, Jimmy going crazy on crack meds.
and i cant really blame Jimmy taking more meds AFTER his release, what he went through in Bride was a nightmare, then his wife chooses another man's side other than his. he's probablly going through some emotional crap right now and doesn't know how to deal with it. does it make it right? no it's just understandble.
Samcool
03-20-2009, 02:02 PM
He was on painkillers and she saw him having a
hallucination and talking about Davis killing someone. So who would you listen to, your husband on painkillers who you saw going crazy yelling at an empty room or to the completely sane -looking paramedic. TEAM CHLOE
Timester
03-20-2009, 02:05 PM
Why everyone is telling that Jimmy was abusing on the meds? :confused:
He only abused AFTER the release. The morfine machine was working fine and the hallucinations were because something that Davis injected.
mr lane
03-20-2009, 02:10 PM
Why everyone is telling that Jimmy was abusing on the meds? :confused:
He only abused AFTER the release. The morfine machine was working fine and the hallucinations were because something that Davis injected.
AGREED Timester which is what i basically posted a couple of posts above yours
skugers
03-20-2009, 02:22 PM
Jimmy for the pants he put on.... :D
I loved his performance. He did the show :)
melissan02
03-20-2009, 02:23 PM
Why everyone is telling that Jimmy was abusing on the meds? :confused:
He only abused AFTER the release. The morfine machine was working fine and the hallucinations were because something that Davis injected.
I think Jimmy was wanting the morphine in the hospital because he's suffering from post traumatic stress. Thus, the morphine makes him sleep w/out the nightmares.
I suppose the drugs are probably a related substance to morphine, and he's using
them to take the edge off--so to speak. Whatever Davis injected him with (probably pain killer related) was such a high dosage that now, Jimmy "needs" it.
I'd have to say Team Jimmy,he made too many valuable points that Chloe can't ignore anymore.
Just Another Guy
03-20-2009, 04:00 PM
I'm not exactly sure why people are taking a junior high mentality to this topic. Real marriages have real problems, and yet everyone's talking about which "side" they're on. These two are married. Both are in very uncomfortable positions concerning the other's stance. Why are we acting as if we should root for one and diss the other?
I tried to leave that approach behind when I got out of high school.
----- Added 1 Minutes later -----
He was on painkillers and she saw him having a
hallucination and talking about Davis killing someone. So who would you listen to, your husband on painkillers who you saw going crazy yelling at an empty room or to the completely sane -looking paramedic. TEAM CHLOE
Y'know, I keep forgetting that myself. Good point.
Storm45
03-20-2009, 04:03 PM
As far as I know there are two persons in a relationship. Its often the fault of these two persons when a marriage doesn't work out.
I'm quite tired of the ''One is bad and the other one is irreproachable'' when it comes to Chimmy. There's plenty of evidence that there are issues in both sides.
Just Another Guy
03-20-2009, 04:07 PM
As far as I know there are two persons in a relationship. Its often the fault of these two persons when a marriage doesn't work out.
I'm quite tired of the ''One is bad and the other one is irreproachable'' when it comes to Chimmy. There's plenty of evidence that there are issues in both sides.
Yeah, and I'd be totally all right with that (it happens, right?) if the PS3 weren't dead-set on ruining at least one of the two.
Vindellavon
03-20-2009, 04:24 PM
Team Chloe, though I sympathize, Jimmy.
SuperShazam!!
03-20-2009, 04:28 PM
Team jimmy
Tebow15
03-20-2009, 04:29 PM
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Last night I missed the old Chloe so much I broke out my DVD collection and watched the Chloe I have grown to love and that is why I am so sad because I am starting not to like this Chloe because she is becoming Stupid, blind, and annoying.
Jimmy, Clark, and even Davis himself have stated he is a killer, but she chooses not to see what is in front of her. Before she knew about Clark she always questioned his actions or what he was hiding from her, but with Davis it's blind trust. Granted Davis have sought her council and she views that as him trusting her, but when your HUSBAND and your best friend tell you he is bad I would think it would make you take a step back, I know the old Chloe would.
I don't see a happy ending for poor Chloe and that is really sad for me. In spoilers we see where Davis tells Clark he was sent to earth to kill him. I sadly see Chloe and the spoilers hint to this taking Davis' side over Clark, Jimmy, and even a hinted at Oliver.
I have a sad suspension that Chloe will find out too late about who Davis really is and this will be the tragic event that forces Clark to really take hold of his destiny. :(
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workshyslacker
03-20-2009, 04:35 PM
As far as I know there are two persons in a relationship. Its often the fault of these two persons when a marriage doesn't work out.
I'm quite tired of the ''One is bad and the other one is irreproachable'' when it comes to Chimmy. There's plenty of evidence that there are issues in both sides.
As Tammy Wynette put it; these two need a D.I.V.O.R.C.E. :\
Jaderoyale
03-20-2009, 04:37 PM
I'm on Team Jimmy. After that episode anyway.
LoisLaneKicksAss
03-20-2009, 05:39 PM
i think that chloe is more blinded by her attraction to davis than jimmy is blinded by his medication. sad, but true. jimmy saw the truth, davis treated him like a 4 year old, and chloe followed suit. although im not sure she would have tasered a 4 year old.
marcella
03-20-2009, 06:21 PM
Jimmy, hands down
lovinredkclark
03-20-2009, 06:23 PM
i wasn't a fan of jimmy's until last night. the best thing he could have done was walk away from chloe, so now it all jimmy.
TEAM JIMMY.
Alicia Chipy
03-20-2009, 06:27 PM
Jimmy,tho my heart breaks for Choe.
I love Chloe and I hate to say this but...
Team Jimmy all the way :(
rehana/chole
03-20-2009, 06:49 PM
team chole casue jimmy is azz and chole is been on sv since season 1 the writer maken her charater bad but chole for eve jimmy is lame
abbaspice1
03-20-2009, 07:06 PM
^^^Didn't yu in another thread wanted peoplw to stop bashing Chloe?
And yet, here you are bashing Jimmy.
Dish it out, but can't take it?
wolverine316
03-20-2009, 07:13 PM
Team Jimmy all the way!!!! I never thought I would say that but after shutting Chloe up he has earned my respect!!
SV'S_immortal_hero
03-20-2009, 07:50 PM
Why everyone is telling that Jimmy was abusing on the meds? :confused:
He only abused AFTER the release. The morfine machine was working fine and the hallucinations were because something that Davis injected.
i hate people saying jimmy is an addict considering the meds which the doc gave him are to help in his recovery then im sure as hell a drug addict im on meds as i have health problems, i mean the guy aint taking meds for the fun of it :mad:
thehenry89
03-20-2009, 07:56 PM
i hate people saying jimmy is an addict considering the meds which the doc gave him are to help in his recovery then im sure as hell a drug addict im on meds as i have health problems, i mean the guy aint taking meds for the fun of it :mad:
Jimmy's not an addict yet, at this point he's merely using narcotics as an escape from his present reality. IF and only if he continues on his present course and begins to depend on the drugs to function then he will be an addict.
Getting drunk or high once doesn't make you an addict, if you can't make it through the day sober that makes you an addict.
SV'S_immortal_hero
03-20-2009, 08:00 PM
Jimmy's not an addict yet, at this point he's merely using narcotics as an escape from his present reality. IF and only if he continues on his present course and begins to depend on the drugs to function then he will be an addict.
Getting drunk or high once doesn't make you an addict, if you can't make it through the day sober that makes you an addict.
believe me im not getting at jimmy for the meds im actually annoyed at the label hes getting as the guys in recovery so requires meds which he took at the end
hellnback
03-20-2009, 08:11 PM
neither. chloe is just not chloe and jimmy well he's gonna get addicted to those pills and well i'll support neither of them.
disciples of zod
03-20-2009, 08:31 PM
Jimmy. everything he said was true...except the marriage line. that made me sad for Chloe.
~H
Trailmix
03-20-2009, 08:55 PM
Jimmy, definitely. Chloe had that coming. She gave virtually no support to Jimmy whatsoever.
And Aaron Ashmore really blew me away in Turbulence. Amazing acting performance. I really felt his anger.
rebecavaldez
03-20-2009, 09:15 PM
Sorry Chloe, but I'm on Jimmy's side this time.
That last "worst mistake of my life" was a bit over the top, but otherwise, I'm all with Jimmy
Pitbull On A Pantleg
03-20-2009, 09:17 PM
Jimmy's side, definitely. Chloe doesn't deserve him.
paolinki25
03-20-2009, 09:22 PM
Yeah, I gotta team Jimmy. I'm still annoyed by her blind trust in Davis.
Tebow15
03-20-2009, 09:34 PM
I hate the character of Davis and Chavis is almost as badas Lexana.
Nitrous
03-20-2009, 09:47 PM
because its not going the way i want it to? dont make assumptions about me
clearly its bad writting when chloe in one episode tells clark to take on a dual identity and in the next tells him to stop being the RBB and quit the DP
one ep she tells him to not hurt lois then the next she tells him to be with lana
in one ep she kills a man
then she spends more time being clark's side kick than being in star city with her fatally injured husband
there are multiple inconsistencies here
how was this episode believable? the way chloe behaved is not the chloe i know
I colored this so that I could respond to each part individually:
So because she changes her mind it's bad writing? Just because she suggested it originally doesn't mean she can't realize she was wrong, especially after hearing Clark's story about when he revealed his secret.
I can't remember her telling Clark that, so you're going to have to remind me of that scene. I prefer to just pretend those Lana episodes didn't happen.
While she was possessed...
How is this bad writing? The show doesn't show every second of everyone's life, so for all we know she was visiting him a lot; just not on screen. Aaron Ashmore wasn't on the show for those episodes so what did you want them to do, just not have Allison Mack on as well? Chloe still has a life to lead, she can't spend every second with Jimmy. You're really, really nitpicking here.
You're last line, about saying she's not the Chloe you know, kind of proves my entire point. She's not being written to your liking, so you say the writing is poor. Nothing you have mentioned constitutes an inconsistency, except perhaps the Lana thing. However, since I can't remember that happening I can't comment on that as of now.
EDIT: After reading a few more posts, the one thing I will agree with is the whole tazer thing was ridiculous. If there was one moment in this episode that I actually did roll my eyes and say "yea right..." then that would be it.
thehenry89
03-20-2009, 09:53 PM
I colored this so that I could respond to each part individually:
[COLOR=SeaGreen]I can't remember her telling Clark that, so you're going to have to remind me of that scene. I prefer to just pretend those Lana episodes didn't happen.
That was in power the very begining of the episode
[COLOR=Magenta]While she was possessed.
She was not possesed
For one thing as she was walking away she was clearly showing signs of remorse for her actions not somthing brainiac would do. Second she killed sebastian to protect clark wich is not in brainiac's best intrests. And third when oliver confronted her about it she immediatly became defensive and tryed to blame brainiac, but oliver called her out and made the above point "why would brainiac kill someone to PROTECT clark?"
mr lane
03-20-2009, 10:03 PM
I colored this so that I could respond to each part individually:
So because she changes her mind it's bad writing? Just because she suggested it originally doesn't mean she can't realize she was wrong, especially after hearing Clark's story about when he revealed his secret.
I can't remember her telling Clark that, so you're going to have to remind me of that scene. I prefer to just pretend those Lana episodes didn't happen.
While she was possessed...
How is this bad writing? The show doesn't show every second of everyone's life, so for all we know she was visiting him a lot; just not on screen. Aaron Ashmore wasn't on the show for those episodes so what did you want them to do, just not have Allison Mack on as well? Chloe still has a life to lead, she can't spend every second with Jimmy. You're really, really nitpicking here.
You're last line, about saying she's not the Chloe you know, kind of proves my entire point. She's not being written to your liking, so you say the writing is poor. Nothing you have mentioned constitutes an inconsistency, except perhaps the Lana thing. However, since I can't remember that happening I can't comment on that as of now.
jimmy should have been chloe's life after what happened to him, what's more important than his welfare? and yes maybe AM should have been in less episodes if it meant keeping her character's dignity
and in identity we arent sure if that was chloe making the calls or brainiac even when Oliver called her out on it in Requiem she didnt make much fuss in the whole being possessed defense which is how Oliver got her to stay quiet about him killing Lex because he knew she had killed Sebastian
I just dont like how the show throws chloe around to fill whatever plot needs filling
i could continue to argue this but it would be an endless debate, as you can tell by the majority of responses from this thread its not just my opinion that the writing hasn't been the best in regards to chloe's character
Nitrous
03-20-2009, 10:06 PM
That was in power the very begining of the episode
She was not possesed
For one thing as she was walking away she was clearly showing signs of remorse for her actions not somthing brainiac would do. Second she killed sebastian to protect clark wich is not in brainiac's best intrests. And third when oliver confronted her about it she immediatly became defensive and tryed to blame brainiac, but oliver called her out and made the above point "why would brainiac kill someone to PROTECT clark?"
Well, her judgment seemed to be affected at times during the whole brainiac phase. However, I will admit that there was never a good explanation about that whole thing, which is really a shame since it was a cool scene.
THEcrownsMINE
03-20-2009, 10:13 PM
I agreed with everything that came out of Jimmy's mouth and when he walked away from Chloe, I yelled "GO JIMMY!!" But I still love Chloe and almost cried when she was standing there alone. So I guess I'm both...but TEAM JIMMY a bit more.....
Superboy2
03-20-2009, 10:15 PM
Team Jimmy. He finally grew a pair.
AngelaV
03-20-2009, 10:21 PM
Why do we need teams anyway? We know it was all a PLOT device to break up Chloe and Jimmy. I blame the writers and am on team Chloe and Jimmy want their marriage back.
kg1507
03-20-2009, 10:22 PM
Jimm-ay!!!!!!!!
Nitrous
03-20-2009, 10:23 PM
jimmy should have been chloe's life after what happened to him, what's more important than his welfare? and yes maybe AM should have been in less episodes if it meant keeping her character's dignity
and in identity we arent sure if that was chloe making the calls or brainiac even when Oliver called her out on it in Requiem she didnt make much fuss in the whole being possessed defense which is how Oliver got her to stay quiet about him killing Lex because he knew she had killed Sebastian
I just dont like how the show throws chloe around to fill whatever plot needs filling
i could continue to argue this but it would be an endless debate, as you can tell by the majority of responses from this thread its not just my opinion that the writing hasn't been the best in regards to chloe's character
For all we know, maybe Jimmy WAS Chloe's life. I mean the show is only on for an hour, how do you know that those scenes that Chloe was in wasn't her only minutes of spare time away from Jimmy? She can't spend every waking minute with Jimmy, no matter how much she wants to. I mean she still has a job and deserves at least a LITTLE time for herself in those 5 weeks (I would really hope that if you were in Jimmy's situation you wouldn't sit there and expect your gf/bf to spend every spare second they have just sitting with you for 5 weeks), plus Jimmy needs rest as well.
Remember this is a TV show remember, if AA isn't in the episode, they still need to find scenes for AM. Acting like she is a jackass because she wasn't shown as being next to him every second of every day is taking things a little too seriously IMO.
And like I said, the whole Brainiac thing definitely should've been explained better. I will agree with you there.
ClLaLeChFAN01
03-20-2009, 10:27 PM
The Smallville University of Men.
Jimmy has to teach Clark one thing or two to stand up in front of a woman that constatly hurts you.
Yeah Jimmy wouldnt go through 8 years of lies and mistrust, he only went through 3? years???? He would tell Lana how it was, if you dont like me so be it. At least this new Jimmy would tell her that...
thehenry89
03-20-2009, 10:32 PM
For all we know, maybe Jimmy WAS Chloe's life. I mean the show is only on for an hour, how do you know that those scenes that Chloe was in wasn't her only minutes of spare time away from Jimmy? She can't spend every waking minute with Jimmy, no matter how much she wants to. I mean she still has a job and deserves at least a LITTLE time for herself in those 5 weeks (I would really hope that if you were in Jimmy's situation you wouldn't sit there and expect your gf/bf to spend every spare second they have just sitting with you for 5 weeks), plus Jimmy needs rest as well.
Remember this is a TV show remember, if AA isn't in the episode, they still need to find scenes for AM. Acting like she is a jackass because she wasn't shown as being next to him every second of every day is taking things a little too seriously IMO.
Normally I'd agree, this is TV we don't need to see everythig the charachters do IE go to the bathroom, buy groceries, eat dinner ect. But they put chloe in metropolis the week after she said she was going to relive lois of her nurse duties and she was sipping a cup of coffee like it was just another glorious spring day. Not only that but a week later she's back in metropolis being ollie's sidekick. Now I don't know about you, but if the person I loved was in the hospital with half his guts on the floor of my best friend's barn I wouldn't be bopping around at the local starbucks for a cafe latte. I'd be on the first plane, train or dog sled to Star City and I wouldn't leave if the President himself told me to.
Lilah
03-21-2009, 12:12 AM
Normally I'd agree, this is TV we don't need to see everythig the charachters do IE go to the bathroom, buy groceries, eat dinner ect. But they put chloe in metropolis the week after she said she was going to relive lois of her nurse duties and she was sipping a cup of coffee like it was just another glorious spring day. Not only that but a week later she's back in metropolis being ollie's sidekick. Now I don't know about you, but if the person I loved was in the hospital with half his guts on the floor of my best friend's barn I wouldn't be bopping around at the local starbucks for a cafe latte. I'd be on the first plane, train or dog sled to Star City and I wouldn't leave if the President himself told me to.
Kinda like Martha Kent when Jonathan was in a coma for 3 months. We didn't see her at the hospital, but we knew she never left his side. That's real love, that's devotion. Chloe and Jimmy were never true love, and this just the writer's way of showing us that. As for bad writing, I wouldn't call it that, per say. I think it's more like lazy writing. In episode 5 "Committed", they made it seem like Chimmy was forever. Whether fans liked it or not, that was a relationship that would stick. But then the wedding from hell occured, and Chloe did not do her Wifey duties. Does she have a life? Yeah... according to her wedding vows her whole life was laying on a hospital bed. I recall Martha Kent saying those words in "Crusade". Now I don't mean to compare the two women, because let's face it, Chloe Sullivan is not even on the same continent much less same level as Martha Kent. But you would think that if they are writing a couple into a show, they'd make them at least devoted to each other. Should Chloe have been out for 5 episodes? Absolutely. She should have been off screen for 5 weeks, between Bulletproof and last week. Clark should have gotten off his ass, and done some investigative reporting to find the dirty cops, to find Lana, to find the bomb, etc etc... But hey, could've, should've, would've... but in the end... WASN'T. I am Team Jimmy, because he's a guy's guy. He's got integrity and he just wants the best for his friends and his wife. Davis even said, any other time his word would have held up but not at the moment because of the morphine... I'm sorry, was there even a doctor in this episode? Was that lazy casting? You know what would have made the episode for me... Chloe asking Jimmy's doctor about his morphine machine and the doctor telling her it was FINE and working FINE. That way she really had reason to cry at the end.
But hey, it looks like Jimmy's got a lot more fans now.... way to go Jimbo!!! You'll always be Superman's ORIGINAL Pal... :)
Nitrous
03-21-2009, 12:31 AM
Normally I'd agree, this is TV we don't need to see everythig the charachters do IE go to the bathroom, buy groceries, eat dinner ect. But they put chloe in metropolis the week after she said she was going to relive lois of her nurse duties and she was sipping a cup of coffee like it was just another glorious spring day. Not only that but a week later she's back in metropolis being ollie's sidekick. Now I don't know about you, but if the person I loved was in the hospital with half his guts on the floor of my best friend's barn I wouldn't be bopping around at the local starbucks for a cafe latte. I'd be on the first plane, train or dog sled to Star City and I wouldn't leave if the President himself told me to.
I understand where you're coming from, but like I said, without AA in the those episodes, and AM already in contract to appear in certain episodes, they needed still needed to find scenes for her. What else are they supposed to do with her?
I could understand the frustration more if AA were in those episodes and AM still was never with him, that would be different. Perhaps there could have been a few more mentions of her visiting him or things like that, but really, it's such a small thing that I can't believe it's become such a big deal.
I suppose the reason why I get annoyed over this is because after watching some of the worst episodes of any show that I have ever scene, the last two episodes have been great. No, they aren't perfect, but they are a vast improvement. I know that the writers can't please everybody, but it just seems like some people are never gonna be happy unless they're writing the episodes themselves.
prodigykane
03-21-2009, 01:43 AM
Team Jimmy all the way...I love Chloe but...hey
hero`s passion
03-21-2009, 02:02 AM
I like Chloe, but this epi she acted strange, I mean her sick hubby just began to recover and she hurts him with this shocker, a little strange for "loving wife"...
borednow
03-21-2009, 01:41 PM
Is anyone else a little sad that we're reduced to taking sides between Jimmy and Chloe?
Yes I loved chimmy... and this is what they did to me... bastards...
terri7015
03-21-2009, 03:00 PM
Team Chloe. I mean she's trying to do what's best for Jimmy AND Davis and Jimmy just blows up on her and it front of everybody at the hospital. I mean really? JERK... at least in this episode anyway. I use to like him but I don't know anymore. And she didn't listen to Jimmy because he was in the hospital and on freakin' pain killers!!!! And Davis wasn't.
Nibiru
03-21-2009, 03:02 PM
jimmy
svtwamedfan05
03-21-2009, 08:10 PM
Definitely Team Jimmy
Sweetie
03-22-2009, 11:44 AM
Jimmy
celita
03-22-2009, 03:17 PM
Jimmy for ever!
e-ĩ-i
03-22-2009, 03:49 PM
Jimmy 100 %. He gave nothing but love to Chloe, and yet she goes around, hugging Davis and Clark, and leaving Jimmy at the sole bottom of her trust-worthy man. Yuk.
Awesome dialogue at the end, love that ;)
madcatlady
03-22-2009, 03:50 PM
Team Shelby!
borednow
03-22-2009, 05:36 PM
Team Shelby!
I think that's a team we can all be on, Go Team Shelby!
Justin Murad
03-22-2009, 06:18 PM
I love Chloe, but Jimmy is right. :(
Candice
03-22-2009, 10:39 PM
So much for Chloe having such a large fan base. I mean Jimmy Olsen is crushing her in every single poll! :eek:
Either people really agree with Jimmy or they really dislike Chloe this season. Or maybe both. :lol:
Lilah
03-22-2009, 10:55 PM
So much for Chloe having such a large fan base. I mean Jimmy Olsen is crushing her in every single poll! :eek:
Either people really agree with Jimmy or they really dislike Chloe this season. Or maybe both. :lol:
Might be both. I really agree with Jimmy and really dislike Chloe this season.... lol... Jimbo is coming out on top, which I did not expect at all...:cool:
sarcami
03-23-2009, 11:50 AM
Team Communication
When people in a relationship communicate problems get sorted out maturely.
Chlollie
03-23-2009, 11:55 AM
So much for Chloe having such a large fan base.
You don't know that, there are some Chloe fans that voted for Jimmy, taking his side. Alot of Chloe fans don't even come on the forum.
Storm45
03-23-2009, 11:59 AM
So much for Chloe having such a large fan base. I mean Jimmy Olsen is crushing her in every single poll! :eek:
Either people really agree with Jimmy or they really dislike Chloe this season. Or maybe both. :lol:
Its about who was right in this episode. Not who is your favorite character. There are a lot of people in this thread who said that they love Chloe but thought that Jimmy was right.
Agent Addek
03-23-2009, 12:01 PM
Team Chloe all the way!!!
Welling_is_pretty
03-23-2009, 12:33 PM
Team Chloe.
bobsuncorp
03-23-2009, 01:25 PM
It should be noted that the way the ep was written is designed to make the viewer more sympathetic to Jimmy, simply by being almost entirely told from his point of view. We know Jimmy is right because we see the evidence he does. If the episode had been told from Chloe's point of view we would have seen a guy suffering from post traumatic stress and a blossoming drug addiction having paranoid delusions about an apparantly innocent man. She was trying to save him from himself.
The same storytelling device was used in a season 7 episode of Buffy where the viewer was led to believe she would kill someone in cold blood by following the supposed victim for the entire episode as he learned his fate. Having said all of that, I'm still on Jimmy's side, I just hope they don't make him self destruct as that story has been done on other shows.
kryptotrite
03-23-2009, 01:27 PM
Jimmy had a right to be mad and tell her off. It was cruel, but he had some good points. However, I will always love my Chlo.
Minela
03-23-2009, 01:32 PM
Team Jimmy!!! He deserves better than a wife who puts everybody, even somebody she barely knows, before him. He also deserves better than marrying somebody who keeps more than half her life a secret from him.
Dyanara
03-23-2009, 07:38 PM
I watched this episode in full again and I must say that I am even more on Chloe's side. There is no way in he--I would believe anything Jimmy was saying. The way the episode was fleshed out I wouldnt believe he was high I would believe he had had a psychological break and was now insane and in desperate need of a straight jacket.
Wildfire
03-23-2009, 07:41 PM
Though I love chole what he said in the end sums it up. She trusts Davis and she trust Clark both to the point she'll die for them, but she does not trust the man she married. No man is going to stand by and allow her hug on Davis after he's killed a few people drugged and Jimmy and then her refusing to even see Jimmy's side. Its like how dare she even consider her own husband was being honest to her.
Let me put it like this if YOU were Jimmy wouldn't you do the same thing. Thats why team Jimmy is who I am agreeing with.
Dyanara
03-23-2009, 07:46 PM
Heck no I wouldnt do the same thing. The main problem I have is that alot of people are insisting that Chloe should have taken Jimmy's side simply because she is marrired to him, forget the fact that he is acting like a nutcase. Jimmy didnt even have any evidence to back up his claim he just wants Chloe to believe him because its him. Heck no, you want to convince me that someone is a killer you better have some proof. Anyone in that hospital who had seen Jimmy lose his mind and screaming at a monser who wasn't there would have done the same thing as Chloe did...and having a ring on my finger doesnt mean I lose my common sense.
Wildfire
03-23-2009, 08:01 PM
Heck no I wouldnt do the same thing. The main problem I have is that alot of people are insisting that Chloe should have taken Jimmy's side simply because she is marrired to him, forget the fact that he is acting like a nutcase. Jimmy didnt even have any evidence to back up his claim he just wants Chloe to believe him because its him. Heck no, you want to convince me that someone is a killer you better have some proof. Anyone in that hospital who had seen Jimmy lose his mind and screaming at a monser who wasn't there would have done the same thing as Chloe did...and having a ring on my finger doesnt mean I lose my common sense.
The problem is for me she was taking someone else's word at face value. I guess if was someone I loved I would look into it more maybe not take his side, but she was more willing to belive Davis than her own husband, she really did not look beyond his set up of Jimmy.
Now I love Chole really. But I know she is smarter than this. Old Chole would have looked into it more, instead of believing a set up. How many times in the past when someone was being set up and even if she really did not believe them how many times did old Chole do some extra checking. And this is the whole problem I have from the writing for her this year. They are trying to destroy her character to justify their goals. Its really sickening.
ChlarkerFan
03-24-2009, 03:47 AM
I take no side because both should communicate better with one another. I do admit that Chloe did make some big mistakes here by trusting Davis. :(
Minela
03-24-2009, 06:34 AM
Heck no I wouldnt do the same thing. The main problem I have is that alot of people are insisting that Chloe should have taken Jimmy's side simply because she is marrired to him, forget the fact that he is acting like a nutcase. Jimmy didnt even have any evidence to back up his claim he just wants Chloe to believe him because its him. Heck no, you want to convince me that someone is a killer you better have some proof. Anyone in that hospital who had seen Jimmy lose his mind and screaming at a monser who wasn't there would have done the same thing as Chloe did...and having a ring on my finger doesnt mean I lose my common sense.
Yeah, but it's not just this episode that counts. This episode is the infamous straw that broke the camel's back. Chloe has a history of putting other people before Jimmy, it's just that this time Jimmy saw it to an extreme and flipped. Go Team Jimmy, I would have done the same.
Sports72Xtrm
03-24-2009, 12:56 PM
You know what's funny is that Chloe is a freaking hypocrite. She's clearly the only murderer in the Chimmy relationship and she has the gal to judge Jimmy? Maybe someone should have tazed her when she killed Sebastion.
IcedSun
03-24-2009, 05:38 PM
You know what's funny is that Chloe is a freaking hypocrite. She's clearly the only murderer in the Chimmy relationship and she has the gal to judge Jimmy? Maybe someone should have tazed her when she killed Sebastion.
And what's that got to do with anything ? She didn't accuse Jimmy of murdering someone, he was accusing Davis, don't see any hypocrisy there. Plus Chloe was clearly infected by Brainiac when she killed Sebastian and if not still that was one of the coolest scenes of the season, don't go all prude we are talking about fiction not reality.
kal-el_Girl
03-24-2009, 05:54 PM
I absolutely love Chloe but this time I think I'll go with Jimmy, she was WAY out line believing some "guy" instead of her husband, and I think she should've supported Jimmy and they're not even past the stage of newly weds! imagine that...
alejandrita439
09-08-2009, 09:00 PM
Jimmy
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