Will Chloe betray Clark like she did Jimmy?

[Tebow15]

IMHO Chloe is going down a dark path ....think Anakin Skywalker turned Darth Vader.... She betrayed Jimmy tonight for Davis, will she do the same to Clark?

Goodbye Chloe.

[Storm45]

I thought it was Lex's role... Who's the true villain of the series?

[wolverine316]

If she betrays Clark, her death can't come soon enough for me.

[Tebow15]

Lex is, but since Chloe is going down a dark path and in Legion they didn't know who she was I had a thought she would.

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wolverine(michigan fan) I have to agree.

[spotteddog]

I wouldn't say that Chloe betrayed Jimmy, but Jimmy nailed it when he said Chloe did not trust him. Honestly, it was just a matter of time before one of them said "it's over", and it could have been Chloe as well as Jimmy.

At least the problematic Chloe/Jimmy marriage seems to be out of the way.

[Tebow15]

Chloe has gone down a darth path ever since she met Davis whom I can't stand.

[kiariclois]

Perhaps... Her mind doesn't work well these last few episodes...

[Clana4Life]

I don't think she'll betray Clark and I don't think she betrayed Jimmy tonight. So to answer your question - no.

Kiariclois (KiKi), you're a devoted Erica (Lois) fan and your avatar is that if Lana. :confused: Or do you just like them both?

[Dannyblue1]

Chloe didn't betray Jimmy. She made judgment calls based on the evidence presented before her. That evidence was skewed but she had no way of knowing that.

In Chloe's mind, she was stopping Jimmy from doing something that he would not only regret once he came to his senses, but that could get him thrown in jail (or an asylum) for a very, very long time.

How is that a betrayal?

[Tebow15]

She betrayed him because she didn't trust him.

[Dannyblue1]

She betrayed him because she didn't trust him.

It wasn't a matter of trust.

I have family members that I love dearly. When they are in their right minds, I trust them completely. But if they were under the influence of drugs that I knew could affect their state of mind, and if I had seen them acting in an irrational way (Jimmy having his breakdown in the hallway and having to be restrained), I would have doubts about their judgment and ability to reason.

[doomvskal86]

Thought the same as well she's nearing her end.

[Theshadow129x]

I think she's falling for Davis slowly, i think she will. I think she's putting her support in the wrong person. It makes me a little terrified.

[Kschreck]

Chloe didn't betray Jimmy. She made judgment calls based on the evidence presented before her. That evidence was skewed but she had no way of knowing that.

In Chloe's mind, she was stopping Jimmy from doing something that he would not only regret once he came to his senses, but that could get him thrown in jail (or an asylum) for a very, very long time.

How is that a betrayal?


Jawth said it best in another thread:



Jimmy.

They utterly destroyed Chloe's character tonight. She was always the character that stuck by her loved ones no matter what, but apparently Jimmy just doesn't qualify. Forget that Davis had previously told her he might be murdering people and was covered in other people's blood. Ignore broken handcuffs that no man of Davis' stature could break.

Jimmy acted like a hero, and got treated like a moron for it.

It's not bad writing, it's pathetic.

[Tebow15]

I feel bad for Chloe and hate that she is going out like this, but I think we have all seen this coming from the beginning of the season. Chloe will end up being a tragic character and will shape Clark, Jimmy, and Davis' future destiny's.

[Kschreck]

Davis Bloome won't be in season nine but I am hoping that if Chloe is going down a path of doom (more of those puns) then I hope it really does make Clark finally embrace his destiny.

[Dannyblue1]

Anybody remember "Splinter?"

Clark was acting much like Jimmy was acting tonight. And she didn't believe Clark because, just like Jimmy, he wasn't in his right mind. And, in Clark's case, she wasn't even sure why, she just knew he wasn't himself. With Jimmy, she had solid reasons to believe he wasn't in his right mind. (And overdose of a powerful drug.)

So what did Chloe do with Clark? Got her hands on some Kryptonite (the Kryptonian equivalent of a tazer) so she could stop him from doing something similar to what she thought Jimmy was about to do tonight. And she used that Kryptonite just like she used that tazer.

Did Chloe betray Clark too?

[Tebow15]

I think Chloe will realize to late what Davis really is.

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The situation with Clark and Jimmy is totally different.

[Kschreck]

I think Chloe could possibly discover that Davis is Doomsday and gets all upset and what not causing Davis to actually transform into his Doomsday form, killing Chloe.

[Dannyblue1]

The situation with Clark and Jimmy is totally different.

In what way?

The only difference is that, in Jimmy's case, there was someone else trying to paint him as crazy, drugging him up to cause him to have hallucinations, and pretty successfully painting him as delusional. None of which, again, Chloe could have known. As far as she knew, Jimmy was behaving exactly the same way Clark was. And she stopped Jimmy from hurting someone just like she stopped Clark.

[Sludge]

Is anybody here married? Jimmy was right. He asked her how she can trust a stranger over him, when they are suppposed to be married? Never once did she say anything resembling a supportive answer to Jimmy. Nothing along the lines of "I love you, and I will find out whats going on..." NOTHING!! And then goes out to "comfort" Davis after the accusations by Jimmy?! WTF? Who are you married to anyway? Thats what Jimmy was mad about and rightfully so. Good job Jimmy, way to stand up for yourself!! Chloe apologists be damned (even if you do everything in your power to rationalize her not finding out the truth when its right in front of her).

[Sports72Xtrm]

In what way?

The only difference is that, in Jimmy's case, there was someone else trying to paint him as crazy, drugging him up to cause him to have hallucinations, and pretty successfully painting him as delusional. None of which, again, Chloe could have known. As far as she knew, Jimmy was behaving exactly the same way Clark was. And she stopped Jimmy from hurting someone just like she stopped Clark.

Davis told Chloe herself that he might be murdering people. But she keeps ignoring it. Apparently his word is better than her husband. That's the deal breaker for me. She had enough evidence to figure it out. She just doesn't want to.

[Amelie]

Kiariclois (KiKi), you're a devoted Erica (Lois) fan and your avatar is that if Lana. :confused: Or do you just like them both?

Isn't that Kristin in her avi? A lot of fans dislike Lana but love Kristin. :)

[topping82]

Chloe didn't betray Jimmy. She made judgment calls based on the evidence presented before her. That evidence was skewed but she had no way of knowing that.

In Chloe's mind, she was stopping Jimmy from doing something that he would not only regret once he came to his senses, but that could get him thrown in jail (or an asylum) for a very, very long time.

How is that a betrayal?

Exactly! I think this Chloe villainous thing has gotten out of hand. She was meant to be seen in a good light in this episode. They even had her wear yellow. She believed the deception. Though Jimmy lied to her as well. He did chase Davis, when Jimmy told Chloe that he was merely defending himself. Kind of hard to believe when Davis was the one handcuffed to the gate.

I'm just saying...

Come on! :rolleyes:

[Amelie]

IMHO Chloe is going down a dark path ....think Anakin Skywalker turned Darth Vader.... She betrayed Jimmy tonight for Davis, will she do the same to Clark?

Goodbye Chloe.

After this episode what I see is that Chloe will NOT betray Clark. What will happen is that unfortunately she will continue to TRUST Davis until the very end, until it is too late, and will inadvertently betray Clark in this manner.

I feel very bad for Chloe because quite frankly she's smarter than this. She should be having major doubts about Davis and she isn't. It's scary and confusing all at once. Each episode I keep expecting more answers and instead I get more questions! My head hurts right now...

[Dannyblue1]

Davis told Chloe herself that he might be murdering people.

So wouldn't she think that, if he were doing bad things now, he would be just as honest and open about them?

Davis told her his fears during a crisis. As far as Chloe knows, the crisis passed. Davis realized he was innocent and all was well.

Thing is, people keep trying to make this a Jimmy vs. Davis thing for Chloe, and it wasn't. It wasn't Chloe believing Davis over her husband despite all the evidence to the contrary. It was Chloe believing the evidence as it was presented to her. I find it hard (heck, impossible) to believe anyone in Chloe's situation wouldn't have had the exact same doubts presented with the same "proof."

[DigitalKing]

So when Chloe defended Jimmy by saying that the machine worked fine, and then Davis implied that Jimmy had, well, jimmied with the device (which SURPRISE! He had) then Chloe should just have continued believing him? The man who was hallucinating? We saw him hallucinating, what more did you want? Should he have painted his hair different colors and tried to jump out of the window? Because he was a step removed from doing exactly that.

He was a danger to himself and others; he could have attacked the people trying to subdue him in the hospital. He chained Davis up and smacked him with an iron pipe. And in the next take, you can't see the handcuff on Davis' wrist, which may be a goof, but in any case his hand was in front of him where Chloe couldn't see it. So Chloe came to the scene and saw Jimmy acting on what was seen to be a hallucination by beating Davis up in an alley.

HOW DID CHLOE BETRAY JIMMY?

[kiariclois]

Kiariclois (KiKi), you're a devoted Erica (Lois) fan and your avatar is that if Lana. :confused: Or do you just like them both?

Yeah, I'm devoted to Erica Durance -- My current obsession is her (though, I'm very straight :p ). :D but I also adore Kristin Kreuk, as an actress, but I'm not so fond of Lana. ;) You just can't hate the actress too when you dislike her character. Kristin is a sweet girl, how can anyone not like her? ;) Same goes to Allison Mack. I like her, but not so much on her character. Does that answer your question? lol.

I have Kristin's picture there because I like her shots there. :D So pretty

[Tebow15]

IJMHO, but when you don't trust someone that is betrayal, but I could be naive.

[DigitalKing]

IJMHO, but when you don't trust someone that is betrayal, but I could be naive. "Jimmy, I know you're on morphine, and the machine I previously thought was fine was actually broken, and that you tried to get more morphine, and that you're SCREAMING AT AN EMPTY ROOM, but I trust you anyway."

Also, "Davis, I know that we found out that this other kid was killing people, and I've only ever seen you do the right thing and save people, and you remind me of Clark, and you've got medical training, but I still am suspicious of you based on evidence the audience has but I have no reason to believe even exists."

[Dannyblue1]

IJMHO, but when you don't trust someone that is betrayal, but I could be naive.

I don't think so. Trust is great. But blind trust isn't. Blind trust has led to it's share of tragedy and badness.

But, like I said, it wasn't about trust. Say there's someone I trust, but I know they've been taking happy pills (for whatever reason), and these happy pills are known to affect a person's state of mind. I'm going to have doubts about what they tell me while under the influence. Not because I don't trust them, but because I have no way of knowing what affect the drugs might be having on their perceptions of reality.

[Tebow15]

I see where you are coming from, but in the past before Chloe knew Clark's secret she always believed in him like in Phoenix etc.

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I am just so confused by he path Chloe has taken this season compared to Chloe in past seasons.

[Dannyblue1]

I see where you are coming from, but in the past before Chloe knew Clark's secret she always believed in him like in Phoenix etc.

She didn't believe Clark in "Splinter." In "Splinter," she thought Clark was off his rocker (which he was) and needed to be stopped from hurting people (which he did). Did this mean she didn't usually trust Clark whole-heartedly? Of course not. Did this mean that she blindly believed whatever Clark told her when she knew he wasn't in his right mind? Of course not.

The same thing applies to Jimmy. But, again, the difference is that the audience knew there were extenuating circumstances in Jimmy's case. Chloe didn't.

[Tebow15]

I see what you mean, but Chloe is different and such a loyal person and when she seems to care more about Davis feelings than Jimmy's it upset me. I am not saying ou are wrong,but it's just my personal take on things.

[Amelie]

The same thing applies to Jimmy. But, again, the difference is that the audience knew there were extenuating circumstances in Jimmy's case. Chloe didn't.

Yes, but the audience also knew that Chloe had already been told to be careful about Davis by other characters, including Clark (a man who Chloe trusts more than anyone else), Jimmy (her husband and long time lover), and Davis himself (the man she just met this season but seems to immediately trust).

That is why I don't understand why Chloe would be so trusting of Davis YET AGAIN in this episode.

[Dannyblue1]

I see what you mean, but Chloe is different and such a loyal person and when she seems to care more about Davis feelings than Jimmy's it upset me.

Only it wasn't about Chloe caring more about Davis feelings. Davis's feelings were barely a blip on her radar. (Outside the whole, "Sorry my husband, who's suffering from drug-induced delusions, hallucinated you killing someone," thing.) She was worried about Jimmy. So worried she actually started to feel she was to blame for what he was going through, and he'd be better off without her. A thought that brought her to tears.

Again, for me, this episode wasn't about Chloe siding with Davis, although I completely understand why it would seem that way to Jimmy.

[Kschreck]

^ The problem for me is that going by spoilers, Clark will find out that Davis is Doomsday and after that point sometime, Chloe will STILL be supporting Davis despite his evil monster side.

[Tebow15]

^^^^^

Agree

[kiariclois]

lol. If I didn't know better, I say Chloe's in love with Davis... Is she? lol. Her trust for Davis is illogical. She still did not try to see things through before trusting him, even after she was told by Davis that he might have killed someone...

[Sports72Xtrm]

So wouldn't she think that, if he were doing bad things now, he would be just as honest and open about them?

Davis told her his fears during a crisis. As far as Chloe knows, the crisis passed. Davis realized he was innocent and all was well.

Thing is, people keep trying to make this a Jimmy vs. Davis thing for Chloe, and it wasn't. It wasn't Chloe believing Davis over her husband despite all the evidence to the contrary. It was Chloe believing the evidence as it was presented to her. I find it hard (heck, impossible) to believe anyone in Chloe's situation wouldn't have had the exact same doubts presented with the same "proof."

To me it is a Jimmy vs Davis thing. If you can't get your wife to go out on a limb for you then she really shouldn't be your wife. She wasn't on his side. She didn't even try to assure him that maybe he did have a point and that she would have at least tried to get to the bottom of it which she didn't. She believed Davis, this shady character who she knows nothing about and is said to have black outs over someone she's known and loved for years. Even if all evidence pointed to Jimmy being crazy, investigate his conspiracy theory anyway and humor him. But she chose to not even listen to him. To me that is a betrayal which is what this thread is about. And at the end of the day, Davis did kill a man and Jimmy was right.

[Kschreck]

lol. If I didn't know better, I say Chloe's in love with Davis... Is she? lol. Her trust for Davis is illogical. She still did not try to see things through before trusting him, even after she was told by Davis that he might have killed someone...


Nah, the writers are trying to kill Chloe's character as quickly as possible.

Actually, when Clark discovers that Davis is Doomsday (and no doubt tells Chloe) it will be interesting to see what exactly is done that keeps Chloe STILL supporting Davis over Jimmy and everyone else.

[Tebow15]

^^^^^^^

That is what makes this entire thing sad.

[Dannyblue1]

To me it is a Jimmy vs Davis thing. If you can't get your wife to go out on a limb for you then she really shouldn't be your wife. She wasn't on his side. She didn't even try to assure him that maybe he did have a point and that she would have at least tried to get to the bottom of it which she didn't. She believed Davis, this shady character who she knows nothing about and is said to have black outs over someone she's known and loved for years. Even if all evidence pointed to Jimmy being crazy, investigate his conspiracy theory anyway and humor him. But she chose to not even listen to him. To me that is a betrayal which is what this thread is about. And at the end of the day, Davis did kill a man and Jimmy was right.

And exactly how much time did Chloe have to do all of this?

Jimmy is acting strange. Chloe is upset and worried. (Heck, she was worried about his state of mind before all this even started.) She comes to the hospital and finds Jimmy screaming to her in a room she isn't in, and having to be restrained by hospital staff (who he fights with like someone not in their right mind). Not much later, Jimmy apparently leaves the hospital (which I'd instantly think was bad news under the circumstances), and calls her to meet him in an alley. She turns into said alley where Jimmy has this guy handcuffed and is about to hit this guy (a defenseless innocent as far as she knows) in the head with a big freakin' metal pipe.

I just can't see anything Chloe did as a betrayal.

[Tebow15]

^^^^^
I see your point, but each of us have different takes on Chlo tonight and this entire season so far. I guess it's because she hasn't been herself. It's like she is DOOMED.

[DigitalKing]

And exactly how much time did Chloe have to do all of this?

Jimmy is acting strange. Chloe is upset and worried. (Heck, she was worried about his state of mind before all this even started.) She comes to the hospital and finds Jimmy screaming to her in a room she isn't in, and having to be restrained by hospital staff (who he fights with like someone not in their right mind). Not much later, Jimmy apparently leaves the hospital (which I'd instantly think was bad news under the circumstances), and calls her to meet him in an alley. She turns into said alley where Jimmy has this guy handcuffed and is about to hit this guy (a defenseless innocent as far as she knows) in the head with a big freakin' metal pipe.

I just can't see anything Chloe did as a betrayal.I'm going to try to quote this post often, because it's the best reasonable run-through of Chloe's actions tonight, not to mention the fact that the conversation at the beginning indicated that Jimmy had tried to get more pain medicine before. They had a specific restriction on the button that only allowed him to get a certain dose and he was smacking that thing like its name was Chloe. So obviously he had had this conversation with Chloe before.

[ginnyfan]

I'm thinking that Chloe may betray Clark as she betrayed Jimmy. She betrayed Jimmy unknowingly. So similarly, she may betray Clark unknowingly. I still hope she doesn't die. All this was foreshadowed by Chloe's line near the end of "Infamous."

[Tebow15]

What was the line? I forgot.

[Bre723]

Oh man, I hope not.
I don't think she will, at least I hope not.
Is Chloe capable of that?
With Davis around, you never know.

[ginnyfan]

What was the line? I forgot.

I don't remember the exact line but she basically wondered aloud what would change now that Clark turned back time.

Bre I'd say that Chloe is definitely capable of betraying Clark if she's not aware that she's betraying him. I hope she doesn't though.

[ChloeBot]

Oh man, I hope not.
I don't think she will, at least I hope not.
Is Chloe capable of that?
With Davis around, you never know.

I'm starting to really hate the Davis character. :(

[Tebow15]

I hated Davis from day 1, join the club.

[Dannyblue1]

You can't betray someone unknowingly or accidentally. Betrayal is deliberate and, in many cases, malicious.

So, again, Chloe didn't betray Jimmy. And if she is somehow tricked into doing something that could possibly cause Clark harm (much like she was tricked in this episode), that wouldn't be a betrayal either.

[devilneedsaride]

And exactly how much time did Chloe have to do all of this?

Jimmy is acting strange. Chloe is upset and worried. (Heck, she was worried about his state of mind before all this even started.) She comes to the hospital and finds Jimmy screaming to her in a room she isn't in, and having to be restrained by hospital staff (who he fights with like someone not in their right mind). Not much later, Jimmy apparently leaves the hospital (which I'd instantly think was bad news under the circumstances), and calls her to meet him in an alley. She turns into said alley where Jimmy has this guy handcuffed and is about to hit this guy (a defenseless innocent as far as she knows) in the head with a big freakin' metal pipe.

I just can't see anything Chloe did as a betrayal.

ITA. While I would have liked Chloe to be a little less of a chump this episode, I don't see anything that she did as being immoral or duplicitous given what she knew. What bothered me most about this whole shebang was that she didn't even try to get more of a handle on the situation or check out Jimmy's story or anything like that. I'm used to situations like this with Chloe being more like the Lois/FotW date in Identity. It starts out all "Nooo, Lois! He's evil! Stay away! You're gonna get gotted!" and then halfway through she starts dropping these little zings about Black Creek, and we realize that she's totally known all along, and I got to have this "Because Lois is AWESOME!" moment. I miss my "Because Chloe is AWESOME!" moments, yknow?


...and he was smacking that thing like its name was Chloe.

:rotfl:


^ The problem for me is that going by spoilers...

Ahh! My eyes! Spoiler tag please!

[Iluvgreen]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! no no no no way! Chloe would never do that!

[rajman]

nope she wont

[Novak Fan]

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[Smallville Vamp]

Well it seems Chloe DOES like to fix broken Kryptonians and which one do you think is in MORE need of repairs, hmmm? Seriously I think she has lost her sanity, so yeah she will betray Clark too!

[oldblackmagick]

hey are we forgetting that up until an ep or two before they were married Jimmy was less than honest about his parents and to be fair she has only known him for a little more than two years...meeting once and sleeping together doesn't count as knowing in my book. i guess the real question is who are you rooting for. If you hate chloe then this story will only make you hate her more and feel justified in doing so or you like chloe and hope that once she does have all the info she will act the way we know chloe would. its all about your POV but IMO chloe shouldn't be thrown to the wolves quite so quick...and hey she at least told jimmy what she did to him...she was honest about it.

[Bizarrolover]

And exactly how much time did Chloe have to do all of this?

Jimmy is acting strange. Chloe is upset and worried. (Heck, she was worried about his state of mind before all this even started.) She comes to the hospital and finds Jimmy screaming to her in a room she isn't in, and having to be restrained by hospital staff (who he fights with like someone not in their right mind). Not much later, Jimmy apparently leaves the hospital (which I'd instantly think was bad news under the circumstances), and calls her to meet him in an alley. She turns into said alley where Jimmy has this guy handcuffed and is about to hit this guy (a defenseless innocent as far as she knows) in the head with a big freakin' metal pipe.

I just can't see anything Chloe did as a betrayal.

Chloe can access the hospital's surveillance cameras if she wants, it would take her less than a minute, but she didn't. She could have questioned the medication they were giving him, she could have asked for therapy for her husband, but she didn't. She could have pushed Jimmy aside in the alley and talk him out of his folly, but instead she tased him. She had time to leave the hospital (we don't know where she went) and try to check Jimmy's version, but she didn't. Just because the show lasts 40 minutes, it doesn't mean that the events of the episode happen in 40 minutes. If she wanted, Chloe could have found the time to check Jimmy's story, in the same way she finds time to reasearch for Clark when he needs her.

This is not a personal attack to Chloe. I think she's a good person who is losing perspective. In this case, she made all the wrong choices.

[RedKRules]

:lol: when did she betray Jimmy??? seriously I must have missed it ..... there was no such a thing ...

[SnowBird]

She was spying on Clark for Lionel so you might say she has already betrayed Clark before and is capable of doing it again. I hope she will keep Clark's secret whatever happens in the future. She did say she would die before she would betray Clark.

[RedKRules]

The whole Chloe made deal with Lionel argumment doesn´t even appeals for me anymore, back then she was a brokenheart teenager, she didn´t know Clark´s secret .... and she payed for her mistakes .... did I mention she almost got blown up because of it ????

I don´t think Chloe will ever betray Clark Kent .... ever.

[SnowBird]

The whole Chloe made deal with Lionel argumment doesn´t even appeals for me anymore, back then she was a brokenheart teenager, she didn´t know Clark´s secret .... and she payed for her mistakes .... did I mention she almost got blown up because of it ????

I don´t think Chloe will ever betray Clark Kent .... ever.

I hope you are right but something in the future may tell a different story.

[Tebow15]

^^^^^
SADLY, I think that you are right and she will find out too late she put her trust and faith into the wrong person.

[Night_Hawk90]

i would not be surprised if she did

[skugers]

The way they are writing her character now I think is pretty obvious she'll betray him, IMO. Like she did when she 'obeyed' Lionel, just that now it will be on a higher level, of course.

[4Clana]

I think she will as she gets closer to Davis.