Trashing Chloe

[Darth Pipes]

Is it ever going to end with the writers? Chloe doesn't work at the Daily Planet anymore, she's used as a dumping ground for characters to vent their frustrations at, she's in a charismaless marriage, and she doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Does she even do anything anymore? And I'm still annoyed that the writers have decided to let Clark get away with wiping out Chloe's mind. She HAS to find out about that.

[SuperFat]

Chloe doesn't work at the Daily Planet anymore?
When did this happen?
I knew before, but I really forgot.

[Candice]

Is it ever going to end with the writers? Chloe doesn't work at the Daily Planet anymore, she's used as a dumping ground for characters to vent their frustrations at, she's in a charismaless marriage, and she doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Does she even do anything anymore? And I'm still annoyed that the writers have decided to let Clark get away with wiping out Chloe's mind. She HAS to find out about that.

Well what did you expect? When AM signed on for 22 eps she sort of became the new Lana (of seasons 6-7). Lexana = Chlavis, without the Clark romance ingrediant...thank god...

TPTB did that to Lana Lang, too. Why do you think the average viewer hates her now? Because they antagonized her so much by constantly making her make bad choices (which she didn't take responsiblity for) and she was always involved in the most ridiculous and most bizarre storylines (pun intended). Lana got Lex and Bizzarro, and the bad marriage and fake pregancy soap opera garabage and Chloe got Jimmy and Davis, and the bad marriage and the mind wipe garbage.

And do you see the reaction of the average viewer? Is Chloe fairing much better than Lana did? Nope. A lot of people are tired of her character, her uselessness, and her bad choices.

But I bet that TPTB feel that they are turning Chloe into some poor victim that everyone must be feeling so sorry for. Boy are they wrong! :rolleyes:

[unfocused]

Chloe Sullivan makes a better punching bag than plot device.

She is a cold blooded murderer, she deserves all the beatings she's gotten this season. Jimmy's beating was one of my favorites though <3

[Darth Pipes]

She was under Brianiac's influence when she killed that guy.

[thehenry89]

She was under Brianiac's influence when she killed that guy.

no even oliver called her out on that, besides why would brainiac do anything to protect clark?

[Level5]

Chloe Sullivan makes a better punching bag than plot device.

She is a cold blooded murderer, she deserves all the beatings she's gotten this season. Jimmy's beating was one of my favorites though <3

When did she murder someone?

[AgentChaos]

Chloe doesn't work at the Daily Planet anymore?
When did this happen?
I knew before, but I really forgot.

Lex fired Chloe in Descent last season.

[Alexander III]

What was the point of having Chloe in this Smallville show anyway?

[unfocused]

She was under Brianiac's influence when she killed that guy.

What influence? I didn't see Chloe running around doing Brainiac's evil bidding for him.

[Lilah]

I loved Jimmy telling her marring her was the biggest mistake of his life. It really was. I'm all Team Jimmy after this episode. I'm thinking of getting a t-shirt made up lol.

[bychance]

What was the point of having Chloe in this Smallville show anyway?

this.

[Sports72Xtrm]

What was the point of having Chloe in this Smallville show anyway?

To be a sub for Lois

[Lilah]

What influence? I didn't see Chloe running around doing Brainiac's evil bidding for him.

She wasn't under Brainiac's influence. It's a fact. She's a murderer. And now she's also a horrible wife. Believing the mysterious paramedic you met a couple of months ago over your husband?? No wonder Jimmy wants out. I can't say I blame him.

[Storm45]

What was the point of having Chloe in this Smallville show anyway?

In being bashed when Lana is not around while being awesome most of the time.

[Dominicus]

What influence? I didn't see Chloe running around doing Brainiac's evil bidding for him.She used Brainiac.

[Poyntz]

If any of you read the smallville magazine the actor that played sebatian stated that he wasnt dead just brainwiped. The brian is like a computer and brainiac the computer crashed his brain. He said he might even come back one day you never know. We all just assumed he died.

I also read something one of the writers or producers that implied that he wasnt "Dead" but i cant remember where.

[unfocused]

She used Brainiac.

Does that mean Brainiac made the choice for her?

[Clana4Life]

Deja vu. It's like Lana all over again. People are starting to dislike Chloe. I feel bad for her. Are there any Chloe fans out there? You are really needed.

[Poyntz]

We are here but sick of being attached on the boards. So i only post occationally myself

[Night_Hawk90]

What was the point of having Chloe in this Smallville show anyway?

to be clark's brain

[miks]

we're here, just posting on threads that don't bash Chloe all the time. I never liked Lana but I've never bashed her either. I feel bad for both of the characters.

[Storm45]

Deja vu. It's like Lana all over again. People are starting to dislike Chloe. I feel bad for her. Are there any Chloe fans out there? You are really needed.

Yes, but I have a life ! I can't stay around for all the bashing :rotfl:

[xrayvision]

Lexana = Chlavis

You literally read my mind. I was thinking the exact same thing earlier today.

There are complaints about Chloe being dumped on by the writers, buit nobody has had a bigger dump piling taken on them by the writers than Clark. Nobody. I watched him for year upon year not going anywhere because the episodes had to revolve around Chloe. Enough is enough. Until season 5 began, I had a lot of respect for Chloe & enjoyed her character because she wasn't a beyond ridiculous character who was perfect in every way. Her buildup was ridiculous & now as a result, her downfall, which is needed to give Clark both the screentime & brains to progress & shows actual signs of becoming Superman and Lois some screentime as well, is being ridiculous.

Chloe got to be in the 5 episodes after Bride, while her husband Jimmy was being taken care of her cousin Lois, instead of his own wife (which is ridiculous). Now she expects Jimmy to be all happy about it & be OK with seeing her with Davis? She can't have her cake & eat it too.

Like I've said, I liked Chloe until she was brought to an unnatural level. After that I no longer enjoyed her character & have disliked it. She was OK for most of this season, but lately has become too annoying & gotten too much airtime, when characters like Clark, Lois, Jimmy, Davis & Tess should be getting a lot more than they have. The writers have had no idea how to handle her character for the last 4 seasons (which includes this one). And the worst thing they did was give many of Clark's old traits to her. Just last week they had Chloe, not Clark be the one to think of Clark's logistics of duality, which are classic to Superman & should have been one of the final areas of development for Clark. I feel bad for Allison Mack because I think TPTB have taken her character, which was one of the most realistic characters in the first 4 seasons, and turned her into the most unrealistic character of the show. But still I feel the most for the Clark Kent of Smallville because he had loads of crap piled on him for years, undeservingly & when he is the character who should be held in the highest regard.

[rehana/chole]

Deja vu. It's like Lana all over again. People are starting to dislike Chloe. I feel bad for her. Are there any Chloe fans out there? You are really needed.



were still here i am a chole fan an alway will b cause with out chole they will b no show she is the odd ball chracter they can do whatever they like with her and hav us guess plus it not like lana lana wa annoying cause she power crazy i thing chole just scared of been judge on been metor infect clark (alien) freind his well been , i think she think if anyne found out abt clark they will tARGET HER 2 GET 2 HIM anyway i love chole an will alway b a fan all chole fan united

[bychance]

Deja vu. It's like Lana all over again. People are starting to dislike Chloe. I feel bad for her. Are there any Chloe fans out there? You are really needed.

I don't really dislike Chloe, its that Lois gets so much flack from Chloe fans because she "stole her character" (LOL) its a nice change of pace.

[actaeon]

I don't see Turbulance as trashing Chloe. Chloe was mistaken, she was wrong-- tragically, disasterously wrong. What, can't Chloe make mistakes? Why can't she make a mess of things, the way regular people do?

Maybe marrying Jimmy was a mistake. Personally, I think she should have given her husband Jimmy the benefit of the doubt vs. Davis. I think she was wrong to hug Davis like that, and I think she has long been too chummy with Davis. She's made mistake, mistake, mistake. Okay... people make mistakes. Sometimes their mistakes have terrible consequences. I think that's what just happened in Turbulence.

Showing the character in this light is not trashing the character. As I see it, it is giving the character some real conflict to work with. It's putting her at the center of things. And giving the actress something to do. Better that by far than always trying to make Chloe a plaster saint...

[Tebow15]

TPTB are preparing us for Chloe's downfall and eventual death.

[Storm45]

I don't really dislike Chloe, its that Lois gets so much flack from Chloe fans because she "stole her character" (LOL) its a nice change of pace.

So its about the fans and not Chloe. That's excellent quite objective. :lol:


I don't see Turbulance as trashing Chloe. Chloe was mistaken, she was wrong-- tragically, disasterously wrong. What, can't Chloe make mistakes? Why can't she make a mess of things, the way regular people do?

Maybe marrying Jimmy was a mistake. Personally, I think she should have given her husband Jimmy the benefit of the doubt vs. Davis. I think she was wrong to hug Davis like that, and I think she has long been too chummy with Davis. She's made mistake, mistake, mistake. Okay... people make mistakes. Sometimes their mistakes have terrible consequences. I think that's what just happened in Turbulence.

Showing the character in this light is not trashing the character. As I see it, it is giving the character some real conflict to work with. It's putting her at the center of things. And giving the actress something to do. Better that by far than always trying to make Chloe a plaster saint...

I agree.

Its either that Chloe is put into such a pedestal that her every move now are being received with huge dissapointements and judgements. Or the character is annoying so lets just say that she's Darth Vader.
What happened to characters who can make mistakes without being labelled as evil or being destroyed?

[BadToad]

This wasn't a good episode for Chloe. That happens to all the characters.

I really don't understand all this incredulity that anyone should post that they were unhappy with Chloe, or Chloe's actions. Doesn't Clark get that sort of criticism in just about every episode? Seems like it to me.

[Cyn]

I have never been a Chloe fan, but I don't hate her. I have always seen her as a Mary Sue character. There have been times when a MS has been needed, but that time has passed. I don't want Chloe/AM to leave mad, I just want her not to be in EVERY EPISODE. It's time Clark figured things out for himself and/or without having to run it past Chloe first. Clark Kent should be the A Plot!

[Just Another Guy]

This wasn't a good episode for Chloe. That happens to all the characters.

I really don't understand all this incredulity that anyone should post that they were unhappy with Chloe, or Chloe's actions. Doesn't Clark get that sort of criticism in just about every episode? Seems like it to me.
Thank you, and I agree.

But having said that, if the producers really are setting this story up the way everyone fears, I will be forced to stress this in every single thread I can: I am very disappointed in them.

Chloe deserves to be treated with the same respect they show DC. (Although after seeing Jimmy tonight, and Oliver in "Requiem," I'm not sure they're getting anything better.)

[BadToad]

Chloe deserves to be treated with the same respect they show DC.

Chloe should be treated with the same respect they show the main character, Clark Kent. And we all know how much respect he gets generally :rolleyes: Thats just how SV rolls. Every character gets it in the neck from time to time. Chloe is no more, or less, a victim of this.

[Storm45]

This wasn't a good episode for Chloe. That happens to all the characters.

I really don't understand all this incredulity that anyone should post that they were unhappy with Chloe, or Chloe's actions. Doesn't Clark get that sort of criticism in just about every episode? Seems like it to me.

I'm not incredulous. Its just a constatation that unlike in the past its in fashion to criticize Chloe. I've seen this with a good bunch of characters, like Lana and Clark as the targets since the beginning of the series. Same thing. Different characters.

[Clark-Lois]

She wasn't under Brainiac's influence. It's a fact. She's a murderer. And now she's also a horrible wife. Believing the mysterious paramedic you met a couple of months ago over your husband?? No wonder Jimmy wants out. I can't say I blame him.

I totally agree, i posted something like this in another thread.


You literally read my mind. I was thinking the exact same thing earlier today.

There are complaints about Chloe being dumped on by the writers, buit nobody has had a bigger dump piling taken on them by the writers than Clark. Nobody. I watched him for year upon year not going anywhere because the episodes had to revolve around Chloe. Enough is enough. Until season 5 began, I had a lot of respect for Chloe & enjoyed her character because she wasn't a beyond ridiculous character who was perfect in every way. Her buildup was ridiculous & now as a result, her downfall, which is needed to give Clark both the screentime & brains to progress & shows actual signs of becoming Superman and Lois some screentime as well, is being ridiculous.

Chloe got to be in the 5 episodes after Bride, while her husband Jimmy was being taken care of her cousin Lois, instead of his own wife (which is ridiculous). Now she expects Jimmy to be all happy about it & be OK with seeing her with Davis? She can't have her cake & eat it too.

Like I've said, I liked Chloe until she was brought to an unnatural level. After that I no longer enjoyed her character & have disliked it. She was OK for most of this season, but lately has become too annoying & gotten too much airtime, when characters like Clark, Lois, Jimmy, Davis & Tess should be getting a lot more than they have. The writers have had no idea how to handle her character for the last 4 seasons (which includes this one). And the worst thing they did was give many of Clark's old traits to her. Just last week they had Chloe, not Clark be the one to think of Clark's logistics of duality, which are classic to Superman & should have been one of the final areas of development for Clark. I feel bad for Allison Mack because I think TPTB have taken her character, which was one of the most realistic characters in the first 4 seasons, and turned her into the most unrealistic character of the show. But still I feel the most for the Clark Kent of Smallville because he had loads of crap piled on him for years, undeservingly & when he is the character who should be held in the highest regard.

I don't have chloe. i am and always will be a CLOIS fan and nothing is going to change that, but i really am starting to get annoyed with her character. she has done nothing so far this season except make mistake after mistake, especially when it comes to Jimmy. They have been together for a few seasons and Jimmy is right, she doesn't trust him. she put her faith into someone she had only knew for a few months over the guy she claims to love and even married, that right there is the biggest mistake she could have made, the rest just follows. I did feel sorry for her at the end, but then again, i don't like seeing people cry. so maybe it was because she was crying that i felt bad or maybe i honestly did feel bad for her. idk but they either need to get an annullment/divorce or Chloe has to never see Davis again and prove to Jimmy that she really does love him. sadly, i think a divorce will happen.

Also, i don't want this to happen, but i agree with those people who have posted that maybe Chloe will die. (It may not be her actual death but rather the "death" of chloe sullivan")

[doodie8808]

She simply got for what i feel has been like three years comming she is always butting in others business and cant handle her own! Dont get me wrong jimmy is by far no saint HE HAS DONE STUPID THINGS TO CHLOE TOO BUT IF U ET MARRIED THAT MEANS YOU ARE WILLING TO REDUE THE OLD MISTAKES TO STAY WITH THE ONE U LOVE AND CHLOE DID NOT DO THAT! but the producer finally showed that chloe is not the "angel"(rolls eyes) that everybody wants her to be she was thoughtless toward her husband and cousin and she is finally getting her just due! Im surprised lois didnt call her out!

[Just Another Guy]

Chloe should be treated with the same respect they show the main character, Clark Kent. And we all know how much respect he gets generally :rolleyes: Thats just how SV rolls. Every character gets it in the neck from time to time. Chloe is no more, or less, a victim of this.
The problem with that logic is this: however they write Clark, wherever they take him, whatever he does from one week to the next, he's still going to end up as Superman. He's going to live, he's going to be a hero, and he'll likely never cross the moral boundaries that make him who he is.

They're pushing the envelope too far with Oliver and Jimmy. Both are acting very strangely, and developing a dark personality that I find disturbing. But they're DC characters. Neither of them can be utterly destroyed. Chloe, on the other hand, is an original character, with whom they can do as they please. Essentially, that means that they can treat everyone like garbage, but Chloe's the only one facing the possibility of actually being thrown out with it.

[xrayvision]

I totally agree, i posted something like this in another thread.



I don't have chloe. i am and always will be a CLOIS fan and nothing is going to change that, but i really am starting to get annoyed with her character. she has done nothing so far this season except make mistake after mistake, especially when it comes to Jimmy. They have been together for a few seasons and Jimmy is right, she doesn't trust him. she put her faith into someone she had only knew for a few months over the guy she claims to love and even married, that right there is the biggest mistake she could have made, the rest just follows. I did feel sorry for her at the end, but then again, i don't like seeing people cry. so maybe it was because she was crying that i felt bad or maybe i honestly did feel bad for her. idk but they either need to get an annullment/divorce or Chloe has to never see Davis again and prove to Jimmy that she really does love him. sadly, i think a divorce will happen.

Also, i don't want this to happen, but i agree with those people who have posted that maybe Chloe will die. (It may not be her actual death but rather the "death" of chloe sullivan")

As mad as I have been with her & even though she made big mistakes, I still didn't like seeing her cry like that. They should have prolonged the Brainiac possession plot and made that be her own thing which did not invovle Clark. That was the only Chloe plot I truly enjoyed this season. The Chloe-Davis thing is like Lexana 2 for me.

[BadToad]

I'm not incredulous. Its just a constatation that unlike in the past its in fashion to criticize Chloe. I've seen this with a good bunch of characters, like Lana and Clark as the targets since the beginning of the series. Same thing. Different characters.

Maybe there are actually good reasons to criticize Chloe? I assume thats what most people thought when they criticize the other characters as well.

I'm really not quite clear why Chloe should be treated with special kid gloves.


Chloe, on the other hand, is an original character, with whom they can do as they please.

Well, yeah, they can do as they please. Thats sort of what happens with original characters. But as you point out, righly, even the DC folks get dragged through the mud.

[Storm45]

Maybe there are actually good reasons to criticize Chloe? I assume thats what most people thought when they criticize the other characters as well.

I'm really not quite clear why Chloe should be treated with special kid gloves.

.

I never stated she should be treated with special treatment. But I'm not going to ignore what's behind some criticism.

[Dominicus]

When did she murder someone?Sebastian, Identity.

[Tebow15]

I was shocked when she did that in Identity.

[xrayvision]

The problem with that logic is this: however they write Clark, wherever they take him, whatever he does from one week to the next, he's still going to end up as Superman. He's going to live, he's going to be a hero, and he'll likely never cross the moral boundaries that make him who he is.

They're pushing the envelope too far with Oliver and Jimmy. Both are acting very strangely, and developing a dark personality that I find disturbing. But they're DC characters. Neither of them can be utterly destroyed. Chloe, on the other hand, is an original character, with whom they can do as they please. Essentially, that means that they can treat everyone like garbage, but Chloe's the only one facing the possibility of actually being thrown out with it.

But the thing is, they can only treat a character like garbage for so long until any attempt to give that character respect is no longer viable. Clark has been treated so badly that many on this site consider him to be a failure and will never be the Superman of the comics. TPTB think they can do this & lightswitch Clark at the 11th hour and have all the fans buy it. But it won't work. I am greatly disgusted at the significance they've given the protection of Clark's identity through the 8 years of the series and how nothing was done to address it. He shouldn't be saving people in his street clothes anymore. They are also ruining his development big time. This Clark Kent has made monumental mistakes, even with the dumbest things which are no-brainers. How the hell are we supposed to buy that he gets his hero identity spot-on the very first time? This is why I say that if he doesn't have a failing identity/suit before becoming Superman, it will be incredibly unrealistic. The only way the RBB identity as it is now (no costume other than his street clothes) can fail is if someone sees him & finds out he's Clark. And that's been done before. That very thing was addressed in Season 1, Episode 9: Rogue.

Getting back on topic, Chloe is not the only one to be exposed to this. In fact, Chloe is a made up character for this show. The one who has most to lose is Clark Kent, who has been around for 70 years. This version of him will tarnish the overall image of Clark Kent if things are handled properly.

[Dominicus]

Does that mean Brainiac made the choice for her?No. That was all her, I think Brainiac was her puppet until FoS, using the knowledge and power in godlike manner.

[Theshadow129x]

Chloe Sullivan makes a better punching bag than plot device.

She is a cold blooded murderer, she deserves all the beatings she's gotten this season. Jimmy's beating was one of my favorites though <3

Lana should be held responsible for all the bad things she did to people too for trying to protect Clark yet she isnt bashed for why should Chloe?

Chloe's been a really good friend to Clark. Yeah, she's messed up when it came to propositions like finding out Clark's secret, but once she found out his secret, she didnt once throw the burden of knowing in his face like Lana and Pete did, she has kept his composure and maintained loyal to him. She truly loves Clark because its her best friend. She doesnt deserve to be a punching bag as you say. Lana deserves that, but not Chloe.

[Kschreck]

Is it ever going to end with the writers? Chloe doesn't work at the Daily Planet anymore, she's used as a dumping ground for characters to vent their frustrations at, she's in a charismaless marriage, and she doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Does she even do anything anymore? And I'm still annoyed that the writers have decided to let Clark get away with wiping out Chloe's mind. She HAS to find out about that.


There in lies the problem with the character of Chloe. She was once one of my favorite characters but since season eight they ran a good character into the ground. They pretty much killed everything I liked about Chloe from the older seasons.

So what did I like about her? She was strong, her journalistic attitude, her desire to help people and her genuine friendship. Now she is some sort of meteor freak that has turned into Brainiac on the weekends. Worse then that she doesn't even have a clear path ahead of her. She doesn't work at the Daily Planet anymore yet she doesn't do much at the Isis Foundation (her attempts to help the meteor infected failed each time).

Maybe the producers/writers intend on killing of Chloe but they have really destroyed her character to the point where she is kind of a jerk to Jimmy now. She really never cared about Jimmy and even when Jimmy was dying in the hospital, she was busy talking to Davis and working with Clark and (of course had her own Clainiac problems).

I miss the old Chloe that all of you liked but that Chloe died with the other producers. I don't know why they turned Chloe into what she is today. I was actually excited about the Watchtower ideal but we will see if it actually sticks.

[Just Another Guy]

Well, yeah, they can do as they please. Thats sort of what happens with original characters. But as you point out, righly, even the DC folks get dragged through the mud.
Maybe you missed my point. I don't mind Chloe making mistakes, or having to be reprimanded every now and again. But this storyline is insulting, because it seems to be their idea of a send-off. (I'm still hoping it's not.) However much they tamper with everyone else's personalities, we can presumably rest assured that things will turn out right for them. Chloe's got no such promise.

And to humor you, I'll repeat myself: I want better for Oliver and Jimmy too.

In all honesty, I've never agreed with the exagerrated criticism Clark gets. Only in the recent Lana arc was I ever turned off by Clark's actions, and it was from a romantic standpoint. I know everyone expects him to graduate from high school and suddenly be a man, but his personality and emotions, to me, are far more realistic. I'm not annoyed by the notion that others contribute to his identity. I know it offends a lot of die-hards, but the important thing, IMO, is that he become Superman by choice. I don't care if someone designs the suit or gives him the idea or hands him a pair of glasses and says, "Try this." If he's saving the world, I think his lack of creativity is a trivial complaint.


But the thing is, they can only treat a character like garbage for so long until any attempt to give that character respect is no longer viable. Clark has been treated so badly that many on this site consider him to be a failure and will never be the Superman of the comics. TPTB think they can do this & lightswitch Clark at the 11th hour and have all the fans buy it. But it won't work. I am greatly disgusted at the significance they've given the protection of Clark's identity through the 8 years of the series and how nothing was done to address it. He shouldn't be saving people in his street clothes anymore. They are also ruining his development big time. This Clark Kent has made monumental mistakes, even with the dumbest things which are no-brainers. How the hell are we supposed to buy that he gets his hero identity spot-on the very first time? This is why I say that if he doesn't have a failing identity/suit before becoming Superman, it will be incredibly unrealistic. The only way the RBB identity as it is now (no costume other than his street clothes) can fail is if someone sees him & finds out he's Clark. And that's been done before. That very thing was addressed in Season 1, Episode 9: Rogue.

Getting back on topic, Chloe is not the only one to be exposed to this. In fact, Chloe is a made up character for this show. The one who has most to lose is Clark Kent, who has been around for 70 years. This version of him will tarnish the overall image of Clark Kent if things are handled properly.
If I couldn't support the main character in a television show, I wouldn't watch it. I'm not saying you should quit, because I know that you don't want to. But I, personally, could genuinely never watch if I had no interest in the lead. Realism has never been Smallville's strong suit, and it's not exactly rampant in the Superman story. I guess when I'm watching a superhero save the world for entertainment, I don't concern myself with details.

That's just me. I don't intend to sound patronizing, so I apologize if it does. I'm just reiterating my point.

[Jedimaster_TTBaby]

Yeah Chloe does take a lot of hits on this show.

[Tebow15]

Just another guy I agree with you 100%

[Theshadow129x]

I hate when people say how if they dont like the main character then dont watch the show. So what? Smallville has been a good show thats for sure but the thing is that the main character, Clark Kent, has been down played. He questions his every judgment and is never truly decisive on things that are supposed to be urgent.

Season 8 has been good. truly good to be honest. but i've said it a million times and Clark Kent was light switched this season because the current producers saw that Al/miles held him back for way too long when they had control of the show.

There are still times throughout this season where i feel like Clark is an idiot. its all just to keep the show going.

[thehenry89]

This wasn't a good episode for Chloe. That happens to all the characters.

I really don't understand all this incredulity that anyone should post that they were unhappy with Chloe, or Chloe's actions. Doesn't Clark get that sort of criticism in just about every episode? Seems like it to me.

once again you are a voice of reason. All charachters will get their day to have a WTF moment, chloe is not exempt.

[Just Another Guy]

I hate when people say how if they dont like the main character then dont watch the show. So what? Smallville has been a good show thats for sure but the thing is that the main character, Clark Kent, has been down played. He questions his every judgment and is never truly decisive on things that are supposed to be urgent.

Season 8 has been good. truly good to be honest. but i've said it a million times and Clark Kent was light switched this season because the current producers saw that Al/miles held him back for way too long when they had control of the show.

There are still times throughout this season where i feel like Clark is an idiot. its all just to keep the show going.
I made it perfectly clear that "Quit watching the show" was not the point of my post. I was merely adding my opinion.

[xrayvision]

I hate when people say how if they dont like the main character then dont watch the show. So what? Smallville has been a good show thats for sure but the thing is that the main character, Clark Kent, has been down played. He questions his every judgment and is never truly decisive on things that are supposed to be urgent.

Season 8 has been good. truly good to be honest. but i've said it a million times and Clark Kent was light switched this season because the current producers saw that Al/miles held him back for way too long when they had control of the show.

There are still times throughout this season where i feel like Clark is an idiot. its all just to keep the show going.

I agree for the most part. My main complaints this season have been:

1. The way they handled Clark in Power & Requiem was a total disgrace.

2. Not developing Clark to come to the conclusion on his own that he can be the RBB & a reporter at the same time and instead having Chloe be the one to tell him this in Infamous (this was unforgivable).

3. Not giving him a costume so we could see him save people without appearing as a red/blue streak in 90% of his saves. If this doesn't happen, the the RBB was just a ploy for TPTB to avoid showing him be super.

4. Occasional moments where he still questions his own judgment. They should go back to the way he executed his decisions in season 3 where he made the decisions & followed through with them. Even though he lost many times to Lionel, he did the heroic thing and should have been shown learning from his mistakes through the years.

[rconner]

I'm beginning to wonder if a part of Brainiac survived the purge by the Legion. I can't imagine Chloe acting like this,,,,:confused:

[smallvillereporter27]

I'm getting tired of character bashing and these rivalries. I'm a fan of Chloe AND Lois. I'm sorry Lois doesn't get more screentime but as much as I love Lois, I always thought Smallville was about Clark's journey to becoming Superman. Lois and Clark will be an item when he becomes Superman. Lois and Clark will always get to be together. It just shouldn't happen on Smallville. Anyway, back to Chloe. Chloe's lack of direction comes from the fact that the writers don't know where to take her. However, I have faith that they will give her the sendoff she deserves. She's been nothing but a good friend to Clark, Lana, and Lois. Why paint her as the bad guy now? I have this feeling that she will be redeemed come the end of the season. Chloe makes mistakes, but at the end of the day she has the best intentions.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Sebastian, Identity.

we cant say chloe murdered him :rolleyes:, she assisted in his suicide :lol:

[Just Another Guy]

I agree for the most part. My main complaints this season have been:

1. The way they handled Clark in Power & Requiem was a total disgrace.

2. Not developing Clark to come to the conclusion on his own that he can be the RBB & a reporter at the same time and instead having Chloe be the one to tell him this in Infamous (this was unforgivable).

3. Not giving him a costume so we could see him save people without appearing as a red/blue streak in 90% of his saves. If this doesn't happen, the the RBB was just a ploy for TPTB to avoid showing him be super.

4. Occasional moments where he still questions his own judgment. They should go back to the way he executed his decisions in season 3 where he made the decisions & followed through with them. Even though he lost many times to Lionel, he did the heroic thing and should have been shown learning from his mistakes through the years.
Okay, now I can actually discuss this with you. :)

1. Agreed. I didn't like that his relationship with Lois turned into a total waste of time while Lana was around, just so that he could revert back to Lois when she left. :mad:

2. I'm a little bewildered by the problem here. He's been the Blur and the reporter for months. So Chloe didn't actually tell him anything. She might have re-inforced it, but when I think of Identity and Infamous, she was really only there to encourage what he started himself.

3. Eh, this is just a difference of opinion. When he becomes a costumed hero, I want him to wear the cape. I don't want a pre-Superman identity.

4. A hero, in my eyes, should never be so sure of himself that he doesn't question his judgment at times. But I think Clark's been less apt to do so lately, and I'm not totally against Superman making mistakes. I am against the idea that he might make the wrong decision when he's in the moment, but, once again, he's not Superman yet.

[xrayvision]

If I couldn't support the main character in a television show, I wouldn't watch it. I'm not saying you should quit, because I know that you don't want to. But I, personally, could genuinely never watch if I had no interest in the lead. Realism has never been Smallville's strong suit, and it's not exactly rampant in the Superman story. I guess when I'm watching a superhero save the world for entertainment, I don't concern myself with details.

That's just me. I don't intend to sound patronizing, so I apologize if it does. I'm just reiterating my point.

You don't sound patronizing, so no problem.

My point is that the normal (non-powered) characters of the show seemed so much more real in the first 3-4 seasons. We had the Kents providing some of the most realistic family moments with Clark. We had Pete who always watched Clark's back and made a mistake every now & then. We had Chloe who was a junior reporter type who took an interest in a phenomena she noticed and made everyone aware of & who got wrapped up with the wrong guy who wanted to use her against her friend. Lana was written somewhat decently, though I thought her character was always more exaggerated than the others with how she was able to do everything without any problems. The problem I had was when they did the same thing with Chloe and making her be able to hack in season 5, when in the first 4 seasons, she was a reporter with contacts who helped her in the other areas she wasn't experienced in. That's when Clark started falling back on her and sitting on his butt until she told him something that was going on that he started looking into. Her appearance in Quest in that church/cathedral in Montreal was just ridiculously beyond believable. This was not the Chloe we originally had. Instead, they made Clark be so sloppy that he was tied up & helpless. This happened so many times during seasons 5-7. She even all but defeated Brainiac for Clark in Arctic. She discovered his superbreath power in Sneeze. Clark was made to look incredibly dumb while Chloe was absorbing any brains he once had. You couldn't compare that Clark, or even the current Clark, with the one we saw in Shattered, who devised his own plan and was motivated to look out for all his friends even when his parents were against him doing this. Clark showed similar initiative & resolve in Talisman, Rosetta, Legacy, Asylum, Onyx, Dichotic, Duplicity, Velocity, and so many other episodes. Season 4 began the dumbing down of Clark to a degree because they wanted him to play football so he could be in scenes with Lois, who I think was brought in a season too early. As a result, he missed out on getting the stones. And once Chloe found out his full secret from him in season 5, they took away any reason for him to think. And all of a sudden, Chloe could hack, go to college, have a job, and escort Clark on his various missions.

So for me, I enjoyed the Clark-Chloe dynamic before she knew his full secret. If they kept Chloe like she was in Pariah-Commencement, I wouldn't have had a problem with it. But once she started reverse engineering things while Clark was sitting around with his thumb up his you know what, it started to get annoying. I interpreted it as TPTB promoting their own creation (Chloe) over DC's creation by sticking it in DC's face.

[Theshadow129x]

Okay, now I can actually discuss this with you. :)

1. Agreed. I didn't like that his relationship with Lois turned into a total waste of time while Lana was around, just so that he could revert back to Lois when she left. :mad:

2. I'm a little bewildered by the problem here. He's been the Blur and the reporter for months. So Chloe didn't actually tell him anything. She might have re-inforced it, but when I think of Identity and Infamous, she was really only there to encourage what he started himself.

3. Eh, this is just a difference of opinion. When he becomes a costumed hero, I want him to wear the cape. I don't want a pre-Superman identity.

4. A hero, in my eyes, should never be so sure of himself that he doesn't question his judgment at times. But I think Clark's been less apt to do so lately, and I'm not totally against Superman making mistakes. I am against the idea that he might make the wrong decision when he's in the moment, but, once again, he's not Superman yet.


I want to bring up the fourth issue you stated. Yeah i get that a hero should never be too sure of themselves because it makes them more vulnerable to mistakes and we know he isnt superman yet but the thing that made me mad about him this season is when he considered killing chloe in legion. heck, there were things in infamous that i swear i thought made him look like a complete idiot. Clark came out and told the world his secret, which was a nice touch but the Clark Kent we know has always had to consider the pros and cons of the situation when he makes a decision like that because it would impact his family and friends but the show didnt tell us that side of the story it just jumped to him making the decision to out himself.

[xrayvision]

Okay, now I can actually discuss this with you. :)

1. Agreed. I didn't like that his relationship with Lois turned into a total waste of time while Lana was around, just so that he could revert back to Lois when she left. :mad:

Agreed.


2. I'm a little bewildered by the problem here. He's been the Blur and the reporter for months. So Chloe didn't actually tell him anything. She might have re-inforced it, but when I think of Identity and Infamous, she was really only there to encourage what he started himself.

I just really wanted him to tell her that and Chloe to think about it for a second and give him a smile. Or better yet, just have him act it out by getting a costume and have there be an occasion where there is an emergency and he's forced to change his clothes in a phonebooth & at the end of the episode he comes to that realization.


3. Eh, this is just a difference of opinion. When he becomes a costumed hero, I want him to wear the cape. I don't want a pre-Superman identity.

Then this show will just become full of angst & 'ships. Because what enjoyment can we get out of his heroics when all he appears as is a quick blur with no verbal interaction. If he doesn't get a costume, then the only way we'll see him save anyone is if they're unconscous. I want dialogue between those he saves & him (as the RBB). Especially some talk between Clark as the RBB & Lois. Otherwise having the RBB is pointless. What point is there in going out in his normal clothes that everybody who knows him has seen him wear every single day? Why did they bother having Identity then? In Identity, he was blazing along too, but had to slow down, where he was vulnerable to being recognized by Jimmy.


4. A hero, in my eyes, should never be so sure of himself that he doesn't question his judgment at times. But I think Clark's been less apt to do so lately, and I'm not totally against Superman making mistakes. I am against the idea that he might make the wrong decision when he's in the moment, but, once again, he's not Superman yet.

I just want to see him confident. He's like a wuss right now. He always has that dumb worried look on his face. This is another thing that I hardly ever saw in the early seasons. He was so much more confident then, especially as a hero. The only time his face showed concern in those seasons was mainly when there was a sad development in a one on one scene that didn't involve heroics.

[Dominicus]

we cant say chloe murdered him :rolleyes:, she assisted in his suicide :lol::lol: But, he didn't want die! He was going somewhere with his life! He had plans! Plans involving him exposing Clark!:p:rotfl:

[The Striving Artist®]

Did anyone notice that Chloe is trying to hold back Clark now in a way? Her speech about packing it up because Tess might know his secret seemed VERY out-of-character.

Despite her sudden direction via the writers,I haven't been too fond of Chloe and Jimmy.Not because I'm a hater of shippers but because they didn't have any great chemistry (both character and actor wise) and it always seemed like Chloe would "talk down" to Jimmy about anything.

But yea Chlavis is the new Lexana...I honestly can't see Chloe caring that much for a random person she met(Davis) and going as far as to protect him(Brainiac infection aside) however I do think it's an interesting twist for her to possibly becoming Clark TRUE series(Smallville,not Superman's) nemisis.

[Just Another Guy]

I want to bring up the fourth issue you stated. Yeah i get that a hero should never be too sure of themselves because it makes them more vulnerable to mistakes and we know he isnt superman yet but the thing that made me mad about him this season is when he considered killing chloe in legion. heck, there were things in infamous that i swear i thought made him look like a complete idiot. Clark came out and told the world his secret, which was a nice touch but the Clark Kent we know has always had to consider the pros and cons of the situation when he makes a decision like that because it would impact his family and friends but the show didnt tell us that side of the story it just jumped to him making the decision to out himself.
To be fair, I'd have to side with Chloe on the Legion issue. If I were the one thing standing between the safety of the world and an alien invader, I'd like to think that someone would take my life.

It would stink, sure, but I think it's one of those gray areas, IMO. That's not to say I'm cool with killing innocent people, but scenarios like the one in "Legion" are not scenarios we have to face in the real world. If we did, I'm not sure the Legion would've been totally wrong in what they were proposing.

[SGuthrie27]

Blah blah blah, I only bothered reading page one of this thread for now, but did it HAVE to already degenerate into the old debate of whether or not Chloe was under Brainiac's influence when she killed Sebastian Kane? Grr! She is not a useless plot device, nor should she be the Smallville punching bag. She's a character with guts, loyalty, the biggest heart of practically anyone on the show, and... well... to me, she's drop-dead gorgeous, but that's beside the point. ;) The truth of the matter is that I agree with you, Darth Pipes. TPTB really seem to be doing everything in their power to trash Chloe's character and make her unhappy, driving her to... I don't want to know what. :(

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[Just Another Guy]

I just wish someone could e-mail the PS3 a list of these complaints. It seems that they're too blind or stupid to know what anyone's actually saying.

And xrayvision, your reply is well-received. Some good points, some preferential differences. But everything made sense. :)

[Dominicus]

Did anyone notice that Chloe is trying to hold back Clark now in a way? Her speech about packing it up because Tess might know his secret seemed VERY out-of-character.

Despite her sudden direction via the writers,I haven't been too fond of Chloe and Jimmy.Not because I'm a hater of shippers but because they didn't have any great chemistry (both character and actor wise) and it always seemed like Chloe would "talk down" to Jimmy about anything.

But yea Chlavis is the new Lexana...I honestly can't see Chloe caring that much for a random person she met(Davis) and going as far as to protect him(Brainiac infection aside) however I do think it's an interesting twist for her to possibly becoming Clark TRUE series(Smallville,not Superman's) nemisis.I swear there's some chloiac issues, and she did the same in infamous. Maybe, there is some unresolved psychological issue with Chloe wanting to be the ultimate go-to girl. She got jealous when Clark partnered up with Lois, always with Lana, and anyone who gets/ or got in between her mission in life. Threatening that role, like sebastian. Now that Clark is elevating to a level where he needs her less, she turns to Dooms and/or meteor freaks. Like the dutiful-mother syndrome.

[SGuthrie27]

Or sadly, Just_Another_Guy, perhaps it's that they just don't care. They're in the driver's seat now, and they're making all these wacky decisions to spin Clark Kent's pre-Superman story in whatever direction they choose, regardless of what wonderful characters get caught in the crossfire and turned into a shallow shadow of what they once were.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[topping82]

Deja vu. It's like Lana all over again. People are starting to dislike Chloe. I feel bad for her. Are there any Chloe fans out there? You are really needed.

No, there are tons of people who love Chloe. GO CHLOE. She rocks. :D:D:D She's why I watch this show.

By the way, I'm not a Clana fan, but I love Clana fans. :)

[SnowBird]

I don't know for sure but I'm wondering if Allison made a stipulation in her contract before S8 that she would get a story-line that she could really sink her teeth in. One that would show her talents besides Clark's secret keeper. She is more interesting and actors have fun playing the villain. Being bad does come with consequences though with fans not liking Chloe for her actions. I think Allison is doing a great and believable job.

[Just Another Guy]

I don't know for sure but I'm wondering if Allison made a stipulation in her contract before S8 that she would get a story-line that she could really sink her teeth in. One that would show her talents besides Clark's secret keeper. She is more interesting and actors have fun playing the villain. Being bad does come with consequences though with fans not liking Chloe for her actions. I think Allison is doing a great and believable job.
Well, Allison would be fantastic brushing her teeth. She's been amazing in every episode I've seen. My feelings for her can't change. But I fear what the PS3 will do with my feelings for Chloe.

[Amelie]

I don't know for sure but I'm wondering if Allison made a stipulation in her contract before S8 that she would get a story-line that she could really sink her teeth in. One that would show her talents besides Clark's secret keeper. She is more interesting and actors have fun playing the villain. Being bad does come with consequences though with fans not liking Chloe for her actions. I think Allison is doing a great and believable job.

But she's not being bad or a villain. She's simply being blind! And I disagree with Chloe being more interesting as a bad guy. I like her being sweet and geeky and funny. I like her being a good friend and above all: a smart and thoughtful young woman who trusts her instincts and has an independent life outside of the men in her life. That's what I like to see.

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Or sadly, Just_Another_Guy, perhaps it's that they just don't care. They're in the driver's seat now, and they're making all these wacky decisions to spin Clark Kent's pre-Superman story in whatever direction they choose, regardless of what wonderful characters get caught in the crossfire and turned into a shallow shadow of what they once were.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

This could be the case. But why must they continually ruin good characters? And Jimmy turning to drugs? Really? Sigh. There goes another good character down a bad path...

[Tebow15]

She is just not the same Chloe as in past seasons and I miss that. I am fearful for Chloe and will cry when she dies.

[SnowBird]

But she's not being bad or a villain. She's simply being blind! And I disagree with Chloe being more interesting as a bad guy. I like her being sweet and geeky and funny. I like her being a good friend and above all: a smart and thoughtful young woman who trusts her instincts and has an independent life outside of the men in her life. That's what I like to see.

Maybe I shouldn't have said more interesting but I like to see actors out of their comfort zone and playing something different. For instance when Clark is on red K. He plays the bad boy and it is interesting for me to see his performance. Chloe going towards the dark side is interesting for me to watch. I'm also looking at it from the actors point of view and how it could be fun for them, but not always popular with the fans.

[unfocused]

Lana should be held responsible for all the bad things she did to people too for trying to protect Clark yet she isnt bashed for why should Chloe?
Lana doesn't get bashed? Are you seriously saying that? Lana get's bashed more than any character, except probably Clark, I see him getting insulted literally everyday on this forum. You may think Lana is deserving of it, though someone else may think Chloe is to. Everyone has their own opinions.



2. Not developing Clark to come to the conclusion on his own that he can be the RBB & a reporter at the same time and instead having Chloe be the one to tell him this in Infamous (this was unforgivable).

"Unforgivable." That's the word I was looking for.

I also agree that Chloe is no exception to the trashing. Maybe AlMiles would never have trashed Chloe as a character, but they sure loved to do it to Clark. Thankfully, this is a new era for Smallville. All our little princesses and Mary Sue's aren't safe anymore.