Are we be back on track?

[galatians221]

Did this episode undo the damage of the previous Clana escapades and return the focus to advancing CK's grasping his destiny? It has been since Identity that we've seen CK and Lois at the DP working on crime stories in and around Metropolis and drawing closer to each other. It has been since Bride that CLois interruptus took place and the entire thrust or direction of S9 went dramatically south. Did Turbulence bring us back on course?

[Tompouce]

I can't really forget the Lana arc because I think some Clark's reactions will be explained by it but to me, to enjoy the show, it is over, Lana is gone, she had never existed in this season. It just spoiled for a long moment all the good job which was already done but now let's move on...

[LoveHurts38]

To me still in baby steps.

[halvor311]

I never thought it went off. I loved the Lana arc and how they tragically ended it. I feel like I'm the only one who did. Bulletproof was great, Power was exciting and Requiem was badass. That's just my opinion though, I actually liked the most recent episode (infamous) a lot less than those other episodes, I don't like episodes that are anxiety provoking or with absolutist morons like that mother on the T.V. or when people lie like crazy and it's just taken at face value as true. However, I do think that the show is back to where it was b4 Lana. And I think it will only get better from here although I don't like where I see things going with Chloe.

[Jaderoyale]

There was a Lanaarc?

(My brain blocked out the episodes after Legion, i was ill)

;)

[ZODisGOD]

I never thought Power and Requiem were as bad as most people say. They were good, not the best, but still good.

[superspider02]

well out of the whole lana arc power i thought was the wrost and most of requiem too but i enjoyed the lex/toyman parts. As for infamous and this episode hopefully we are moving back fully to the pre lana days of this season. So far with infamous it has for me.

[The Ship!]

Sorry, don't recognize the show anymore. Really lost. Don't even know what this is.

[davidbrenton]

I voted baby steps this week, but yes last week. I liked this episode, but they are going the "stretching the story" route by adding Tess as a potential love interest for Clark. Very disheartening.

[Jack-El49]

It might be interesting if Tess starts showing more interest in Clark. It would be ironic that Lois is ignoring him and after the Blur while Tess is after Clark and knows he's the Blur.

[6-Super-Man -5]

Yes, we are back on track. :)
Clark seems like a totally new person.

[Deana]

No we aren't on track.

[myankskent]

I guess that would depend on what the track is. If the track is telling the Davis/Doomsday/Chloe/Jimmy love story, then yes, this show is back on track but if the track is focusing on Clark, yeah, way off the tracks. I appreciate the red/blue blur stuff but that was B or C plot material in this episode.

[HornFan02]

episode took us nowhere

[pjack]

I think its getting there. It was a pretty decent eppy

[Alania]

No, the baby just stopped taking steps. The only good thing in this episode was the phone booth change; the rest, i'm still trying to figure out the purpouse for Clark Kent.

[SupermanRox]

Well so far it has been baby steps. It's progressing but very slowly.

[KEakaCK]

I say they just took a baby step...Clark does seem to be determined to be a symbol of hope like Superman is. However, this episode really focused on the triangle that is Jimmy, Chloe, and Davis. The changing in the phone booth was a nice touch though.

[Cyn]

I guess that would depend on what the track is. If the track is telling the Davis/Doomsday/Chloe/Jimmy love story, then yes, this show is back on track but if the track is focusing on Clark, yeah, way off the tracks. I appreciate the red/blue blur stuff but that was B or C plot material in this episode.

I agree. Clark needs to remain the A plot. I love Davis & Jimmy, but they don't need to be center stage for more than a few scenes. Chloe just needs to go away. She has become both unnecessary and uninteresting.

I enjoyed every one of the first ten episodes...Some more than others, but they were all new and exciting. Legion was pretty good too due to Rokk & Garth. Saturn Girl was lame though. So, what happened? I know Lana was a complete funsuck, but she wasn't even in the last couple of episodes and they were not so good. I want the fun & excitement back. We've had 7 years of depression. I'm tired of it.

Hey PS3, gimme back the excitement and hope for the future...

[myankskent]

No, the baby just stopped giving steps. The only good thing in this episode was the phone booth change; the rest, i'm still trying to figure out the purpouse for Clark Kent.

Oh, I can answer that. The purpose is to replay the Clark/Lex storyline with Tess standing in for Lex. Then toss in some romantic hints with Cless and you've got one great Clark story.

[green_arrow_girl358]

last week felt like it picked up right after bride. mostly because of the lack of time travelling back to before krypto-lana

[lifelovedestiny]

I still think we are at baby steps. I expect it to be this way the rest of the season. And then season 9 will be BANG! AMAZING

[superdoomsday]

Oh, no. Absolutely not. This episode was alright at best and nothing special (Except Clark's flight. Wasn't that amazing?:rolleyes:). Hopefully, the episodes to come will get us back on track to the feeling of awesomeness I was having that stopped suddenly after Bride.

[unfocused]

Geez, the OP is more hung up on Lana than anyone else... Are we going to be having the same poll with the same poll options after every episode now? I'm just asking so I'll know.

[Tebow15]

I thought it was Chloeville this week and not focused on Clark, but I do feel the show is taking baby steps. I liked the last two episodes. I hate the Davis character and Chole is ruined now IMHO.

[greatodinsbeard]

I think Clark is definitely back on track to being Superman. It was awesome seeing him embrace the double identity. Still needs a costume but he is finally distancing himself from primary colours when he is not saving folks.

There was awesome character development with Davis. I really think the PTB have paced his overall character arc well and I am really liking the depth this show is giving his character. I've never really liked Doomsday, but I like Smallville's take on him.

Tess was great too. Her character has found a nice little niche on the show. Her plan to get Clark to expose his powers was well executed especially when she asked him about the parachutes, catching his lie. The way she is going the jury is still out on whether she will go evil.

Jimmy was also awesome although a little forced, but he was a little too mean to Chloe. But one has to admitt she hasn't treated him that well. Why was she in Metropolis for the majority of Jimmy's hospital stay in Star City?

And Chloe? Well when she told Clark to quit the DP and give up being a superhero because Tess might know about him, that raised some red flags. I think she is being mind controlled or something, but he point is there is something fishy going on with her.

Now back to Clark. It was awesome seeing him use the police wires to find crimes, changing in a phone booth, and completely shooting down Chloes suggestion of giving up like it was crazy. Plus it is nice to see that he is exposing his alter ego more.

Overall Smallville is back on track, but more importantly it is on a new track that is better than anything we've seen from this show in years. Tonight it was in top form.

[globalbudd3]

Sorry but I don't think the show is heading towards the right direction. Believe it or not, I never felt this way of any of the past seasons. There were problems with past seasons but it was slowly moving towards the right direction.

There a few things I like this season but I feel there are more cons than pros.

The things I do like I like so far this season is that Clark is "becoming" more like Superman. However, I think it is time for the show to really differentiate the two personalities: Clark Kent and Superman as public personas. I like Clark personality that the show has developed but not the public persona. It is time for a "mild mannered" CK with dorky glasses and a more costumed Superman. I understand TW is not crazy about wearing costume but the show is moving towards that direction of Superman life. For God sake, I don't think this is Kansas anymore Clark...even Todo knows that...LOL. This dual personality is very important to the mythos of Superman because Clark Kent is where the godly Superman can live as a normal, human life. It is very easy to accept that CK and Superman can not be the same person because of the different personas as in the comics and Chris Reeve's movies.

SV does not differentiate these personalities which is why they explain, the blue and red blur..blah blah blah. Come on, eventually, Superman will be photographed and videotaped and will appeared in newspaper and tv all over the world. Once you see Superman face, everyone will knows it is Clark Kent. How will the show explain that when everyone knows what Superman looks like as established in the comics, movies etc. Definitely a missed opportunity. I mean Chris Reeve portrayed the two personas brilliantly. I really believe Tom Welling will do too, if given the chance. It would be a challenge for Tom to the delight of his fans to play a different side of the character.

Ofcourse, the show writers will take the easy way out, use a going back in time plot...AGAIN...therefore no need to explain why people won't recogize Clark is Superman in the future...

The other things I do like is Clark and Lois and Chloe and Jimmy and Green Arrow, which is greatly missed lately. It would be more fun if there are more Justic League stories around. They don't have to be always be about epic battles between Justice League and supervillains but personal stories about these characters would be great.


The things I do not like so far are the villains of the show. I don't buy into Tess Mercer or Doomsday villainnous arc to replace MR as Lex. Nice try but it is really a bore for me...Sorry...nothing to do with the actors (they are wonderful) but scriptwise...eh...sorry. I just skipped them when they are on. Tess and Doomsday just don't have that charm like Lex and Lionel, ofcourse MR and JG were just too brilliant and definitely foolish for any attempt to imitate them. I really miss these two actors and their characters.

The only thing to do now is bringing back Brainiac or definitely another villain from the DC mythos.

Okay, for the last time...where is Martha...Perry White?

For God sake, I miss our pink princess....LOL

[galatians221]

It might be interesting if Tess starts showing more interest in Clark. It would be ironic that Lois is ignoring him and after the Blur while Tess is after Clark and knows he's the Blur.

Lois should run off with Jimmy. She can't win.

[Usher_el]

until something bad happens and makes clark ACCEPT his destiny and go for his training... the show is still either moving side ways,back wards.. or teeni tiny baby steps..

[galatians221]

until something bad happens and makes clark ACCEPT his destiny and go for his training... the show is still either moving side ways,back wards.. or teeni tiny baby steps..

If I'm not mistaken, Turbulence had no scenes in the barn. That's progress.

[Clark/Lois-fan]

With these last two episodes, I think we can safely say that yes we are. And looking at the spoilers for the next 6 episodes, there's no doubt in my mind :)

[galatians221]

With these last two episodes, I think we can safely say that yes we are. And looking at the spoilers for the next 6 episodes, there's no doubt in my mind :)

My one reservation is the lack of episodes for Erica. She has to be central to where we are heading.

[Clark/Lois-fan]

My one reservation is the lack of episodes for Erica. She has to be central to where we are heading.

Yeah I'm with you on that note :)

[galatians221]

Oh, I can answer that. The purpose is to replay the Clark/Lex storyline with Tess standing in for Lex. Then toss in some romantic hints with Cless and you've got one great Clark story.

There were no scenes in the barn. That's progress.

[Alania]

My one reservation is the lack of episodes for Erica. She has to be central to where we are heading.


There's no way this is gonna happen this season, to my dismay. We can't talk about spoilers in here, but Lois, for the rest of the season, is reduced to some "clois moments". The only good episode for her is probably stiletto, where her chase for Clark's alter ego is going to kick-off and it doesn't seem connected to the main plot this season, Davis/Chloe/Clark. Lois being a part of all plots, is probably going to happen in season 9. I still don't know what explanation did they give her as to what happened to Chloe after the wedding and why did the barn became, all of a sudden, a hell. Maybe all that happened in the amazing offscreenville.:\

[Smallville Vamp]

Baby steps, but how the heck have I gone from liking Chloe to liking Chloe as much as I did Lana in only the last couple of episodes? NOT GOOD I tell ya!

[galatians221]

Baby steps, but how the heck have I gone from liking Chloe to liking Chloe as much as I did Lana in only the last couple of episodes? NOT GOOD I tell ya!

Davis brings out the beast in Chloe.

[bigblueplanet]

IMHO, there will be no such a thing as – undo –, but build a story on it. Lana-arc will ALWAYS be a part of the SV series and it was one of the major events in Clark Kent’s life up until today whether or not we like it. SV writers got to deal with it since it’s them who chose this particular path out of so many other more easier, rational, truer to Mythos kind of ways.

I enjoyed this episode and I think it was largely because Clark didn’t have to deal with his romantic relationship at all like in the last one (well, if Cless happens? Then he’ll be doomed again. jmo) and he was proactive with his job both as a reporter and RBB. I really start to think this version of Superman should stay single, if not, well….at least let him be so for the rest of the series. But that’s just me and I know I’m not that lucky.

So, as long as the show continues to tell us a story as if Lana-arc never happened or the event is an afterthought at best for Clark, then it’s never on track at least for this particular fan. YMMV

[galatians221]

IMHO, there will be no such a thing as – undo –, but build a story on it. Lana-arc will ALWAYS be a part of the SV series and it was one of the major events in Clark Kent’s life up until today whether or not we like it. SV writers got to deal with it since it’s them who chose this particular path out of so many other more easier, rational, truer to Mythos kind of ways.

I enjoyed this episode and I think it was largely because Clark didn’t have to deal with his romantic relationship at all like in the last one (well, if Cless happens? Then he’ll be doomed again. jmo) and he was proactive with his job both as a reporter and RBB. I really start to think this version of Superman should stay single, if not, well….at least let him be so for the rest of the series. But that’s just me and I know I’m not that lucky.

So, as long as the show continues to tell us a story as if Lana-arc never happened or the event is an afterthought at best for Clark, then it’s never on track at least for this particular fan. YMMV

It is very complicated. I liked the fact that Clark is doing Blur work at a rapid pace but sadly we don't get to see it. I thought the plane scene was lame, but I can take away from it the fact that we know he can jump out of a plane and land safely. That's progress I suppose.

[superjude]

Sort of. It took us in the direction of the Doomsday storyline anyway.


As for, Clark and Lois, and him reaching his destiny- well- he's closer to changing his clothes.

[Iluvgreen]

I don't remember Lana's name.

[Clark/Lois-fan]

I don't remember Lana's name.

Who?

[galatians221]

I don't remember Lana's name.

It looks strange to me because I usually spell it backwards.

[Smallville Vamp]

It looks strange to me because I usually spell it backwards.

:rotfl:

Something tells me you've scarred me for life, but in a GOOD way. :p

I'll NEVER forget that one! ;)

[luthorian]

Seems like the less screen time Clark has the better. He was acting all hero on this one. But honestly if he had more time I'm pretty sure the BDA would've made an appearance... Especially after the last episodes with Lana and Lois he really needed this break. For once I saw Clark as the hero of the show.

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----


It looks strange to me because I usually spell it backwards.

:rotfl:

[galatians221]

:rotfl:

Something tells me you've scarred me for life, but in a GOOD way. :p

I'll NEVER forget that one! ;)

Don't want scars. I hope it's good.

[galatians221]

Geez, the OP is more hung up on Lana than anyone else... Are we going to be having the same poll with the same poll options after every episode now? I'm just asking so I'll know.

We are in the Lana Zone and are trying to come out. Please be patient with us. We haven't yet found the portal.

[paolinki25]

It's too soon to tell. It all depends on what they do with this post-Lana Clark (and this Clark, imo, is waaaaay more acceptable)


We are in the Lana Zone and are trying to come out. Please be patient with us. We haven't yet found the portal.

:lol:

[Smallville Vamp]

We are in the Lana Zone and are trying to come out. Please be patient with us. We haven't yet found the portal.

Wait, I thought you said to look for the latrop? I really need to start paying attention. Okay now we're getting back on track. Baby steps, keep taking those baby steps. :)

[Sunny8]

Well, it is not like the first half of season 8, but I did like Clark in this episode. He did seem to progress (even though he tried to get Tess drunk and cut off her oxygen supply...lol...which was not Superman like). I saw some development with Clark. He is getting into the dual identity thing (he changed clothes in the telephone booth :)), he is working as super hero and he appeared to be a happier Clark. I did not see him mope once in this episode, which was a relief. Of course, what would have really made this episode great for me would have been seeing him in a working relationship with Lois even if they don't have a romantic one at this point. But TPTB just seem to drop her whenever they want, unfortunately.

[alejandrita439]

i thought i would not like the second half of the season after the lana arc...
but infamous and turbulence were awesome..
and the trailer of the upcoming episodes,.... just perfect :D

[costas22]

It looks strange to me because I usually spell it backwards. <!-- / message -->

Oh,God.8 years and i had never thought about that!Anyway,it's not a matter of being on and off track.The show was great in the first 11 episodes,it took a darker turn in the next 3 and now it's something new again.It combines the darkness of the previous episodes(with more realistic arcs mind you) with the light hearted approach that the first episodes had.It has been a good mix thus far.Infamous had to get rid of some baggage,but i feel that Turbulence was a better effort.

[galatians221]

Wait, I thought you said to look for the latrop? I really need to start paying attention. Okay now we're getting back on track. Baby steps, keep taking those baby steps. :)

It seems that you are getting back on track but I'm not sure about Smallville.

[galatians221]

Oh, no. Absolutely not. This episode was alright at best and nothing special (Except Clark's flight. Wasn't that amazing?:rolleyes:). Hopefully, the episodes to come will get us back on track to the feeling of awesomeness I was having that stopped suddenly after Bride.

I hope you're right but Durance needs to be in all episodes imho.

[kryptotrite]

I can't even respond to this without my post being erased anyway.

Let's just say that I couldn't vote b/c there was no option on there that covered anything except one viewpoint. *shrug*

[galatians221]

I can't even respond to this without my post being erased anyway.

Let's just say that I couldn't vote b/c there was no option on there that covered anything except one viewpoint. *shrug*

I was hoping Kristen Kreuk wouldn't see this........too late.

[globalbudd3]

Come on, without Lana, the show would be boring. You can always depend on the pink princess to "spice" things up. For better or worst, we are still talking about her. She is just unforgettable.

[galatians221]

Come on, without Lana, the show would be boring. You can always depend on the pink princess to "spice" things up. For better or worst, we are still talking about her. She is just unforgettable.

We get along fine without Shelby and I'm sure in time we can get along without Lana.

[MountainSniper]

Hi galatians,


Did Turbulence bring us back on course?

What do you mean back on track?

The fact is Clark Kent being in love with Lana Lang is nothing but the Smallville universes entertaining deviation from the traditional Superman mythos.

What is getting far off the track is the hatchet job that is being done to Lois “Mad Dog” Lane.

What the heck is going on when on screen you are looking at a love sick Lois Lane crushing over an indifferent Clark Kent who is in love with someone else?

What Smallville should do is cool it with romance for the rest of the season and have Clark and Lois as professional rivals fighting it out to be the number one reporter at the Daily Planet.

Trying to force a Clois romance now is a huge mistake and really makes Lois look like a pathetic, second choice, rebound girl loser.

Instead of that train wreck how about an eighth season of hard driving editor Perry White baiting Clark and Lois against each other for the big stories. Endless scenes of Lois driving herself nuts since she can’t figure out how Clark Kent the hayseed is (using his powers, of course) scooping her on the big stories like Intergang in “her town” Metropolis.

Then gradually over the next season as the love of his life Lana Lang fades into his past Clark Kent falls deeply in love with a “fatally indifferent” Lois Lane who in return treats his unrequited love like garbage.

Lois has to be primed up to fall in love with Superman.

It’s Slois not Clois that was the best running plot device in any comic/movie/TV show for fifty years.

A pathetic Lois Lane mooning over an indifferent Clark Kent is what is off track.

And that’s my two dirhams worth.

Cheers Mountain Sniper

[Hopefulsuicide]

IMO Turbulence has given us enough room for Power/Requiem to turn into an in house joke. The dud, the one we can all look BACK on and laugh. For the break between Requiem and Influence, it was still the last episode, and therefore was the most current Smallville plot... that was depressing and we had to live with it for too long.

Now, I can simply watch Legion and then jump straight onto Infamous, while imagining a 'Clark tells Lana they can't be together' scene. Turbulence simply cements the jump.

[MountainSniper]

Hi globalbudd,

I agree with a fair amount of your post but not all of it.


However, I think it is time for the show to really differentiate the two personalities: Clark Kent and Superman as public personas. I like Clark personality that the show has developed but not the public persona. It is time for a "mild mannered" CK with dorky glasses and a more costumed Superman. I understand TW is not crazy about wearing costume but the show is moving towards that direction of Superman life. For God sake, I don't think this is Kansas anymore Clark...even Todo knows that...LOL. This dual personality is very important to the mythos of Superman because Clark Kent is where the godly Superman can live as a normal, human life. It is very easy to accept that CK and Superman can not be the same person because of the different personas as in the comics and Chris Reeve's movies.


I personally would like this to happen since I like the classic Superman of the late 1930s and Superman hiding out in the open as the mild mannered Clark Kent is the core of 90% of the humor in the Superman mythology.

And if there is one thing Smallville could use more of its humor.

I also want to see a fiercely competitive Lois Lane being driven crazy by a dorky hayseed Clark Kent who secretly uses his powers to beat her to the big stories. That was one of the most consistently funny things going on in the 1930s comics.



SV does not differentiate these personalities which is why they explain, the blue and red blur..blah blah blah. Come on, eventually, Superman will be photographed and videotaped and will appeared in newspaper and tv all over the world. Once you see Superman face, everyone will knows it is Clark Kent. How will the show explain that when everyone knows what Superman looks like as established in the comics, movies etc.

I don’t think the powers that be of Smallville have a clue how to fix this screw up so I expect as usual when faced with such a dilemma they will just ignore it and pretend no one notices the huge freaking elephant in the room.



Ofcourse, the show writers will take the easy way out, use a going back in time plot...AGAIN...therefore no need to explain why people won't recogize Clark is Superman in the future...

I hate with a passion the “time reset” stories. It is the most over used writer’s crutch that is pulled out every time on a science fiction show the writers paint themselves into a corner and it's use in Infamous is no exception.

I expect if they don’t just ignore it then they will use the time reset to explain why when Lois Lane first sees Superman she doesn’t say “Hey Clark, cool powers but you better get over to the Isis Foundation and get that meteor infection checked out. By the way why are you wearing the homoerotic caped clown suit and not plaid?”


It would be more fun if there are more Justic League stories around. They don't have to be always be about epic battles between Justice League and supervillains but personal stories about these characters would be great.

Gotta disagree with this one, I personally see Superman as the ultimate lone hero.

Superman is completely unique and thus alone not only on earth but in the universe. I want Superman to actually be the true last son of Krypton so that means no other Kryptonians, Martian Man Hunters (Superman rip off) but also Superman is the only super hero.

I don’t like to see Superman’s uniqueness watered down when they try to expand the franchise to suck every dollar they can out of the idea of the original and always the best Superhero.

Just my opinion and preference.


Okay, for the last time...where is Martha...Perry White?


Love Annette O’Toole so wish they would get her back to have Senator Martha actively on screen feeding Clark info on crooked politicians etc to help him out scoop Lois Lane at the Daily Planet.

If they don’t bring in Perry White into the newsroom I will be sorely tempted to pack up my AWM and fly out of the sandbox and hunt them down and slot them.

It would be fantastic to see Perry White manipulating Lois and Clark to complete against each other for the scoop on every big story in Metropolis. They could show that before Perry White arrived as the new editor the Daily Planet was losing ground to the Metropolis Star but with Perry White driving Lois Lane and Clark Kent to become the best reporters in Metropolis the Daily Planet once again rises from the ashes to become the greatest newspaper in the world etc etc etc.


For God sake, I miss our pink princess....LOL

Hey she hasn’t been pink or a princess for a long time and I know it is unusual on a KK/LL bashing board but I really do miss Kristin Kreuk’s portrayal of Lana Lang.

However all good things come to an end and after eight years of Clark being in love with Lana from their very first scene together to the last loft goodbye I have to accept that Kristin Kruek has left the show to go onto bigger and better things.

All us Clara fans had a wealth of enjoyment from eight years of heart felt scenes of longing, desire, passion, multiple marriage proposals, incredibly complex angst filled torturous misunderstandings, both super and regular sex etc from Lana & Clark but now it is time say goodbye for good to the star crossed lovers of Smallville and move on.

I just hope they keep romance off the screen for the rest of the season and stop with the current psycho story line of destroying Lois “Mad Dog” Lane by turning her into a pathetic second choice rebound girl pinning after an indifferent Clark Kent.

No matter what happens on the show I am personally very lucky in that I love all the Smallville girls (women?).

Cheers Mountain Sniper

[galatians221]

[QUOTE=MountainSniper;4653225]Hi globalbudd,



Gotta disagree with this one, I personally see Superman as the ultimate lone hero.

Superman is completely unique and thus alone not only on earth but in the universe. I want Superman to actually be the true last son of Krypton so that means no other Kryptonians, Martian Man Hunters (Superman rip off) but also Superman is the only super hero.

I don’t like to see Superman’s uniqueness watered down when they try to expand the franchise to suck every dollar they can out of the idea of the original and always the best Superhero.

Just my opinion and preference.



I really want to say bravo to this comment. I almost feel like I'm alone on this issue and it's great to see someone else express this. I understand that Superman is tough to portray: is he from the comic books, cartoons, TV, or movies? Do you play it as a drama, or campy like the Superman movies and Lois and Clark? I like Smallville's portrayal best except for what you've described. They've denigrated the story by adding freaks of the week and other superheroes. It's hard for me to understand that professional writers can't be occupied writing about "a visitor from another planet with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal man". The George Reeves TV show understood that and had CK at the Planet working with Inspector Henderson, Lois and others to solve real crimes in Metropolis and elsewhere and there was great interplay between Clark, Lois, Jimmy and Perry White. The writers of Smallville can't handle that and need other storylines; MM, Aquaman, Victor, The Flash, The Green Arrow, Maxima, yada yada yada. They are a drama (which I like) pandering to the comic books. I wish they would keep it as a drama. We have a man living amongst us who can fly (supposedly), shoot fire out of his eyes, freeze things with his breath, see through objects (yes, even underwear) and that's not enough material for a good series? The main thing is keeping the main thing the main thing and the main thing is Superman/Clark Kent and how he fits in to our world and interacts with us and is a hero to all that is good and honorable. Instead we are shown his sex life and his reluctance to help others and instead we see him hanging around the barn and moping about his life and Lana and on and on. They need to hire some writers who are enthralled with the idea of a Super man. I'm glad someone else sees this.

[DJ Doena]

I have to accept that Kristin Kruek has left the show to go onto bigger and better things.
Like Street Fighter? ;)

[MountainSniper]

Like Street Fighter? ;)


Hi DJ Doena,

Well I guess comments like this should be expected after all on the K-Site the Kristin Kreuk/Lana Lang bashing is like a drug that some posters just can’t kick.

To be frank when referring to moving on I was thinking more of Kristin Kreuk starting Girls by Design to work with teenage girls etc.

As for her professional actress work Kristin Kreuk has been one of the leads in two different TV series; made two theater released movies Partition and Street fighter and appeared in EarthSea, Snow White etc.

And regarding putting money in her pocket Kristin Kreuk for the longest time of anyone was the face of that international commetics (I am a guy I have no clue of the name) company. Until about a year ago posters of her selling that skin stuff were in the window of every drug store/mall etc in Abu Dhabi.

As for your bashing of Street fighter it was mostly likely never expected to make its money in the US domestic market but designed for the Far East/Sub Continent market.

The fact is it will be a long time before you see exactly how much money the movie will make since the foreign markets have different methods of distribution and tallying up box office etc.

Bottom line is even the US critics that will torch most martial arts/video game movies for the most part gave Kristin Kruek a good/reasonable review for her work in Streefighter.

Kristin Kruek has shown she can do an ethnic period art house move like Partition and a kick ass, campy martial arts movie like Streetfighter plus all her TV work so I personally think she is a reasonable bet for future Hollywood success if she really wants to go for it and of course gets lucky and is offered the right mainstream roll.

You and the rest of the K-Site bashers can whine as much as you want but personally out of the entire cast I think the smart money is on Kristin Kruek to make the first break through to success in mainstream movies etc.

But that is just my opinion and maybe I have spent too much time overseas so maybe you know better about Hollywood’s taste in actors.

But I am still betting dollars to donuts on the KK pony.

All the best,

Cheers Mountain Sniper




Hi galatians221

I will answer your post tomorrow. It’s after eight in the evening in Abu Dhabi and time to hit the pub.

But until then here is a link to a LONG thread from yours truly bi*tching about everything I don’t like about the official version of Smallville.

It gives a pretty good (but long winded) idea of what my version of Smallville would look like.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117940

Cheers Mountain sniper

[borednow]

baby steps, which is good, I guess. They are walking towards rightness again, slowly getting there... makes it a little more believable...

[bigblueplanet]

Excellent post, Sandman.

BIG YES! to the mad dog lane from me, too. And ITA for your 1st post of course. :)
Now, I’ll quote some of your 2nd post where I both agree and think differently.


I hate with a passion the “time reset” stories. It is the most over used writer’s crutch that is pulled out every time on a science fiction show the writers paint themselves into a corner and it's use in Infamous is no exception.

Yes. I hate the time reset plot, too. Especially when it’s not necessary like in Infamous. Talk about giving up too easily, and that’s very not Superman-like to me. Clark Kent/Superman faced much worse events in his life where he almost destroyed earth (both in the comics and in S:TAS) and yet he never reversed time for fixing it. IMO, if SVClark found out that Chloe was killed by DD in the first timeline, then, it looked much more logic that he decided to undo the incident by reversing the time but otherwise Lois was right. He should have faced the situation and clear his name because he didn’t do anything wrong in this timeline for god’s sake! VERY BAD script indeed. They just can’t write the good believable scripts to show Clark Kent never gives up and never back off from the obstacles. (Well, SVClark Kent is the exact opposite of that, most of the time... :rolleyes: )


I expect if they don’t just ignore it then they will use the time reset to explain why when Lois Lane first sees Superman she doesn’t say “Hey Clark, cool powers but you better get over to the Isis Foundation and get that meteor infection checked out. By the way why are you wearing the homoerotic caped clown suit and not plaid?”

:lol:


Gotta disagree with this one, I personally see Superman as the ultimate lone hero.
Superman is completely unique and thus alone not only on earth but in the universe. I want Superman to actually be the true last son of Krypton so that means no other Kryptonians, Martian Man Hunters (Superman rip off) but also Superman is the only super hero.

I agree with this, too. The reason why I don’t want to see JLA members who could outshine Clark in the S8 season final ‘Doomsday’ .


It would be fantastic to see Perry White manipulating Lois and Clark to complete against each other for the scoop on every big story in Metropolis. They could show that before Perry White arrived as the new editor the Daily Planet was losing ground to the Metropolis Star but with Perry White driving Lois Lane and Clark Kent to become the best reporters in Metropolis the Daily Planet once again rises from the ashes to become the greatest newspaper in the world etc etc etc.

I’m dying to see this in SV. Just one question, though. Do you mind if they re-cast Perry White? Personally I don’t mind it at all. The rumor said that Michael McKean is not available and if this is true, I for one don’t mind to see another actor taking the role. I just want to see Perry White on the show. Period. It’ll certainly add a whole new level of awesomeness, imo. :D


However all good things come to an end and after eight years of Clark being in love with Lana from their very first scene together to the last loft goodbye I have to accept that Kristin Kruek has left the show to go onto bigger and better things.
All us Clara fans had a wealth of enjoyment from eight years of heart felt scenes of longing, desire, passion, multiple marriage proposals, incredibly complex angst filled torturous misunderstandings, both super and regular sex etc from Lana & Clark but now it is time say goodbye for good to the star crossed lovers of Smallville and move on.

Good for you that you can see it this way. SV does move on and her time is clearly up in SV verse now (exclude Offscreenville of course), imo. I’m one of those who aren’t happy at all how she left the show but I guess I just have to deal with it. Whether we like or not it is part of the show canon now and forever, and all I can do from now on is to hope for the best it can be... ::: easier said than done, though :p :::


I just hope they keep romance off the screen for the rest of the season and stop with the current psycho story line of destroying Lois “Mad Dog” Lane by turning her into a pathetic second choice rebound girl pinning after an indifferent Clark Kent.

WORD!


No matter what happens on the show I am personally very lucky in that I love all the Smallville girls (women?).

Good for you! And I can safely say the same thing for all the men in SV. (and yes. This includes Jimmy! LOL )

Hey, when I start writing this I was pretty sure I have something to disagree with you but no, I couldn’t find any. lol But just a tiny thing which probably considered as a big deal to many others. Your take & thoughts of bringing the show back on track is excellent for us Superman fans and it’s because it sounds very much like Superman show. But what about *Smallville* part of it? I mean, I’m sure you’ve heard as much as myself that people keep saying “This show is called Smallville and that’s why this and that.” Do you think they (TPTB) can keep somehow SV feel to it if they go for the direction you just described? Or are you in “forget about SV and just done with it” stance in here? lol I give a lot of thought about this recently, especially after the Power-arc. Ever since Lana left the show as super-powered being, I find myself wanting to see more and more SV kind of original spin on it, actually. So at first I wanted to see the classic Lois/RBB/Clark triangle but now I’m not so sure. Well, maybe we can talk more about that later. It’s really too early to tell at this moment as to which direction they might take with these two. But like you said, I don’t mind not to see a romance at all. But unfortunately we’re in the minority I guess……. :\

[galatians221]

Excellent post, Sandman.

BIG YES! to the mad dog lane from me, too. And ITA for your 1st post of course. :)
Now, I’ll quote some of your 2nd post where I both agree and think differently.



Yes. I hate the time reset plot, too. Especially when it’s not necessary like in Infamous. Talk about giving up too easily, and that’s very not Superman-like to me. Clark Kent/Superman faced much worse events in his life where he almost destroyed earth (both in the comics and in S:TAS) and yet he never reversed time for fixing it. IMO, if SVClark found out that Chloe was killed by DD in the first timeline, then, it looked much more logic that he decided to undo the incident by reversing the time but otherwise Lois was right. He should have faced the situation and clear his name because he didn’t do anything wrong in this timeline for god’s sake! VERY BAD script indeed. They just can’t write the good believable scripts to show Clark Kent never gives up and never back off from the obstacles. (Well, SVClark Kent is the exact opposite of that, most of the time... :rolleyes: )



:lol:



I agree with this, too. The reason why I don’t want to see JLA members who could outshine Clark in the S8 season final ‘Doomsday’ .



I’m dying to see this in SV. Just one question, though. Do you mind if they re-cast Perry White? Personally I don’t mind it at all. The rumor said that Michael McKean is not available and if this is true, I for one don’t mind to see another actor taking the role. I just want to see Perry White on the show. Period. It’ll certainly add a whole new level of awesomeness, imo. :D



Good for you that you can see it this way. SV does move on and her time is clearly up in SV verse now (exclude Offscreenville of course), imo. I’m one of those who aren’t happy at all how she left the show but I guess I just have to deal with it. Whether we like or not it is part of the show canon now and forever, and all I can do from now on is to hope for the best it can be... ::: easier said than done, though :p :::



WORD!



Good for you! And I can safely say the same thing for all the men in SV. (and yes. This includes Jimmy! LOL )

Hey, when I start writing this I was pretty sure I have something to disagree with you but no, I couldn’t find any. lol But just a tiny thing which probably considered as a big deal to many others. Your take & thoughts of bringing the show back on track is excellent for us Superman fans and it’s because it sounds very much like Superman show. But what about *Smallville* part of it? I mean, I’m sure you’ve heard as much as myself that people keep saying “This show is called Smallville and that’s why this and that.” Do you think they (TPTB) can keep somehow SV feel to it if they go for the direction you just described? Or are you in “forget about SV and just done with it” stance in here? lol I give a lot of thought about this recently, especially after the Power-arc. Ever since Lana left the show as super-powered being, I find myself wanting to see more and more SV kind of original spin on it, actually. So at first I wanted to see the classic Lois/RBB/Clark triangle but now I’m not so sure. Well, maybe we can talk more about that later. It’s really too early to tell at this moment as to which direction they might take with these two. But like you said, I don’t mind not to see a romance at all. But unfortunately we’re in the minority I guess……. :\

As long as the direction is for CK to embrace his destiny the other stuff is unimportant imho.

[Meteror Freak]

The lana arc was awesome. Back on track...yea right! Infamous sucked and Turbulance was just okay.

[Demien]

Yes, it's as if Lana never existed

[bigblueplanet]

As long as the direction is for CK to embrace his destiny the other stuff is unimportant imho.

I remember one of the producers from S:TAS said (in the audio commentary) that Superman is only as good a hero as he’s surrounded by other terrific characters and I totally agree with this. Also James Tucker (character designer) said, Superman is all about his supporting characters, they help make him relatable and they serve to show us different side of Superman and make him more human. Again, I couldn't agree more with him.

YMMV, but for me, it’s very important to see his supporting characters progress to be their iconic selves as well, along with Clark Kent. And I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one who’s looking forward to see his significant supporting character’s journey too. (Though, when I said ‘his supporting characters’, this does not include Oliver Queen or Davis Bloom. I can be cool without their origin stories etc. :p ) JMO

.

[ox007]

CK isn't completely over Lana yet and it was seen in infamous, but if we give him a little more time maybe he'll be able to finally focus on Lolo! :)

[MountainSniper]

Hi galatians22,


As long as the direction is for CK to embrace his destiny the other stuff is unimportant imho.

I respectfully but completely and totally disagree and you hit dead on my major issue with the show Smallville.

The use of Destiny referring to Clark being Superman is the curse of Smallville along with the way that word has been used over and over on the K-Site when bashing Clark & Lana.

If I was running the show the central dominant theme of Smallville is that it is Clark Kent’s CHOICE to become Superman and NOT DESTINY!

Thus my Smallville TV show theme would be that time honored one of the anonymous lone hero that is both tragic and magnificent. He is not born to be what he becomes but made by the circumstances in which he finds himself and the people around him.

Thus in my Smallville there is no freaking DESTANY!

It is the magnificent and tragic hero that makes the personal choice and thus sacrifices everything he desires to be heroic. It is not preordained by either destiny or those stupid Indian paintings on the walls of a cave.

Clark makes this choice to be Superman because of his values from being raised by Jonathan and Martha Kent. In the back everyone’s mind as you watch Smallville there must always be the FEAR of what could have been if Clark had been found by someone other than the salt of the earth, good hearted Jonathan and Martha Kent. Without the Kents as his parents Clark could have chosen to be a General Zod like super tyrant ruler of earth rather than Superman the savior of earth.

Why does Clark become Superman and not dictator of earth? Simple, because only those that don’t desire power can be trusted with it.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely except in the case of Clark Kent who wants nothing more than an ordinary life with Lana Lang on a farm and thus like the hobbit in Lord of the Rings is the only being that can be trusted with absolute power.

Thus in my version of Smallville Clark makes this choice to be a hero due to the examples of his friends and acquaintances both those with no special powers out side of strength of character along with those around him with powers such as wealth and influence and even meteor powers.

This means lots of episodes with examples like Kyle Tibit who gives up his hermit life in the woods to go back into the world to use his meteor power for good. Also a smalltown sports hero like Whitney who with no special powers still chooses to join the military and put himself in harms way for his country, society etc.

Clark makes this choice due to both negative and positive choices made by meteor freaks, friends, family, neighbors, teachers, law enforcement officers all around him in the small Kansas town of Smallville. And not because of paintings in freaking Indian caves, a computer voice of psycho sadistic alien daddy in the fortress or because of DC comic books saying it is Clark Kent’s destiny.

But most of all in my version of Smallville Clark Kent due to his choice to be the hero Superman for the greater good of the world he must sacrifice that which he wants most of all. A normal life with Lana Lang as his wife raising adopted (aliens can’t have kids with humans) kids on a farm in Kansas.

Sacrifice is the central theme of all great heroic stories thus the greatest fear of the hero must become true.

This means that Clark Kent due to his choice of being Superman must always end up alone. This means not only doesn’t Clark Kent get the girl and this means he doesn’t get any girl and that includes Lois Lane who loves Superman and not Clark Kent.

Clark Kent accepts this realization of his greatest fear because to the true tragic hero being alone is a personal price worth paying to help those that do and also those that do not deserve to be saved.

And that is just my two dirhams worth!

Cheers Mountain Sniper

[galatians221]

Hi galatians22,



I respectfully but completely and totally disagree and you hit dead on my major issue with the show Smallville.

The use of Destiny referring to Clark being Superman is the curse of Smallville along with the way that word has been used over and over on the K-Site when bashing Clark & Lana.

If I was running the show the central dominant theme of Smallville is that it is Clark Kent’s CHOICE to become Superman and NOT DESTINY!

Thus my Smallville TV show theme would be that time honored one of the anonymous lone hero that is both tragic and magnificent. He is not born to be what he becomes but made by the circumstances in which he finds himself and the people around him.

Thus in my Smallville there is no freaking DESTANY!

It is the magnificent and tragic hero that makes the personal choice and thus sacrifices everything he desires to be heroic. It is not preordained by either destiny or those stupid Indian paintings on the walls of a cave.

Clark makes this choice to be Superman because of his values from being raised by Jonathan and Martha Kent. In the back everyone’s mind as you watch Smallville there must always be the FEAR of what could have been if Clark had been found by someone other than the salt of the earth, good hearted Jonathan and Martha Kent. Without the Kents as his parents Clark could have chosen to be a General Zod like super tyrant ruler of earth rather than Superman the savior of earth.

Why does Clark become Superman and not dictator of earth? Simple, because only those that don’t desire power can be trusted with it.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely except in the case of Clark Kent who wants nothing more than an ordinary life with Lana Lang on a farm and thus like the hobbit in Lord of the Rings is the only being that can be trusted with absolute power.

Thus in my version of Smallville Clark makes this choice to be a hero due to the examples of his friends and acquaintances both those with no special powers out side of strength of character along with those around him with powers such as wealth and influence and even meteor powers.

This means lots of episodes with examples like Kyle Tibit who gives up his hermit life in the woods to go back into the world to use his meteor power for good. Also a smalltown sports hero like Whitney who with no special powers still chooses to join the military and put himself in harms way for his country, society etc.

Clark makes this choice due to both negative and positive choices made by meteor freaks, friends, family, neighbors, teachers, law enforcement officers all around him in the small Kansas town of Smallville. And not because of paintings in freaking Indian caves, a computer voice of psycho sadistic alien daddy in the fortress or because of DC comic books saying it is Clark Kent’s destiny.

But most of all in my version of Smallville Clark Kent due to his choice to be the hero Superman for the greater good of the world he must sacrifice that which he wants most of all. A normal life with Lana Lang as his wife raising adopted (aliens can’t have kids with humans) kids on a farm in Kansas.

Sacrifice is the central theme of all great heroic stories thus the greatest fear of the hero must become true.

This means that Clark Kent due to his choice of being Superman must always end up alone. This means not only doesn’t Clark Kent get the girl and this means he doesn’t get any girl and that includes Lois Lane who loves Superman and not Clark Kent.

Clark Kent accepts this realization of his greatest fear because to the true tragic hero being alone is a personal price worth paying to help those that do and also those that do not deserve to be saved.

And that is just my two dirhams worth!

Cheers Mountain Sniper

We're talking verbage here but basically agreeing. The CK in Smallville does not fully want to be Superman. I think we agree on that. I think we also agree that we're tired of that portrayal. In Superman Returns as well as in the Chris Reeve movies we see the young CK racing trains and leaping from silo to silo and actually enjoying his gifts. As he matures he should have a greater vision as to what those gifts can do for others. We're beginning to see that in the Blur and hopefully the storyline will continue in that direction. I want a Superman who is passionate about "truth, justice and the American way". That can apply to the Abu Dabi way as well.

[Habits]

Until they stop bringing up the Great, Wonderful, All Knowing and All Powerful Lana Lang's :rolleyes: name every episode then the best I can say is that it's stayed the same with maybe some baby steps taken forward.

[galatians221]

Until they stop bringing up the Great, Wonderful, All Knowing and All Powerful Lana Lang's :rolleyes: name every episode then the best I can say is that it's stayed the same with maybe some baby steps taken forward.

Lana is no longer a factor but many of us remain in the Lana Zone. I prefer to spell it backwards which is the anal enoz. Until we have escaped the anal enoz there will continue to be a price to pay.

[Habits]

Lana is no longer a factor but many of us remain in the Lana Zone. I prefer to spell it backwards which is the anal enoz. Until we have escaped the anal enoz there will continue to be a price to pay.

lol! anal I like that, but you're right until they stop refering to her there will be a price to pay.

[galatians221]

lol! anal I like that, but you're right until they stop refering to her there will be a price to pay.

I don't think she's been mentioned in the last two episodes. Neither has Shelby.

[borednow]

... I miss Shelby...

[MountainSniper]

Hi galatians221,


We're talking verbage here but basically agreeing.

No, it is exactly as I said above about regarding your quote referencing Destiny. I really thought I made my opinion clear but will try again.

Here goes; I really don’t like/enjoy/care for and in fact hate your idea of:


As long as the direction is for CK to embrace his destiny the other stuff is unimportant imho.

I don’t want Smallville’s Clark Kent to “embrace his destiny” ie simply accept his psycho alien computer daddy’s wishes or DC comics ending/legal requirements etc.

SV’s Clark Kent doesn’t choose to be Superman because of Destiny. Nor does SV's Clark Kent choose to be Superman for the human desires of fame, global acclaim etc.

SV’s Clark Kent like Pinocchio just wants to be an ordinary real boy living on a farm in Kansas with the love of his life.

Being the tragic lone hero SV's Clark Kent chooses to be Superman for the greater good and in doing so gives up what he wants most of all ie an ordinary life with the love of his life and his worst fear comes true: He is alone.

The hero making the personal choice to sacrifice what they personally want most of all and having to face their worst demon due to that choice is the basis of great heroic stories.



The CK in Smallville does not fully want to be Superman. I think we agree on that.

Of course he doesn’t but only due to personal reasons ie desire to live an ordinary life with the love of his life and due to the fear of losing all that and being alone.

But being the hero SV's Clark Kent chooses to do what he doesn’t want for the greater good of everyone else and the determent of his personal hopes and dreams of an ordinary life with the love of his life.



In Superman Returns as well as in the Chris Reeve movies we see the young CK racing trains and leaping from silo to silo and actually enjoying his gifts.

Your cherry picking!

In Smallville we have seen Clark enjoying his powers from the first episode when we see the look on his face after his misses the bus and just before he goes into super speed to toasting bread with his heat vision to tossing a foot ball 500 yards pretending he is winning the big game, playing pick up basket ball with 100 foot shots and 10 foot slam dunks etc.

Meanwhile in the Chris Reeve movies we saw Superman choose to give up his powers to be with Lois Lane.

It is not as one sided as you are trying to portray.

The difference is SV's Clark Kent is happy to have his powers and use them to protect his family, friends and those in Smallville as long as he can also have a normal life with the love of his life on the farm. Clark Kent doesn’t want to lose all that and be alone even if it means world wide fame and acclaim as Superman etc.



I think we also agree that we're tired of that portrayal.

I am not tired at all of that portrayal since I want SV's Clark Kent to be the classic tragic lone hero that sacrifices everything he wants through choice not destiny for the greater good.



As he matures he should have a greater vision as to what those gifts can do for others.

Everyone has the ability to see that if they sacrifice what they want and instead help others the greater good would be served but most choose to not do so but instead follow their own desires. You could pack your bags tonight and leave your comfortable existence and work over seas in the war zone, disaster area etc. This option is available to all of us but only a heroic few actually do it.

There is nothing bad or evil etc about not making such a sacrifice; it is simply being an ordinary human being with your own personal wants and desires.


I want a Superman who is passionate about "truth, justice and the American way".

What is a better portrayal than the Smallville version of the ultimate outsider, an alien named Clark Kent that just wants to live a normal human life with the love of his life Lana Lang on a farm but instead chooses to give up his personal wants and desires for the greater good and in doing is forced to live his worse fear of being alone.


That can apply to the Abu Dabi way as well.

LOL! You never been to the Middle East have you?

All the best,

Cheers Mountain Sniper

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Hi bigblueplanet,


Good for you that you can see it this way. SV does move on and her time is clearly up in SV verse now (exclude Offscreenville of course), imo. I’m one of those who aren’t happy at all how she left the show but I guess I just have to deal with it. Whether we like or not it is part of the show canon now and forever, and all I can do from now on is to hope for the best it can be... ::: easier said than done, though :p ::::\

I am a huge Lana Lang fan and can live with the Smallville exit for her.

At the end of the day the majority of the Clana fans got exactly what they wanted in her ending story arch from the super sex to the fade out kiss on the roof of the Daily Planet to the angst filled torturous end for SV's star crossed lovers being separated not by choice but fate and circumstance in the final loft loft scene.

That said and accepted I personally would have kept Lana Lang on the show until the end of Smallville's run and then killed her in the last episode along with Chloe, Martha and everyone that knows Clark’s secret to line up Smallville to the classic Superman mythos.

And also everyone of the secret keepers have to be killed to explain why in the future Clark should never tell anyone else his secret but that is just my personal preference for the tragic heroic ending for all my favorite SV characters.

I just don’t personally have the taste for the Hollywood happy ending that I expect is coming but that puts me in the minority and that’s the breaks.

I also am a fan of the original Superman who is quite dark and direct when dealing with evil. It wasn't until after the original creators sold Superman in the early 1940s that some editor at DC decided that Superman can't kill etc. I like my Superman with an edge and have had to live with the current watered down version of the original Superman so if I can live with that I can live the Hollywood happy ending I expect is coming in Smallville.

Cheers Mountain Sniper

PS I don’t care if they recast Perry White as long as he is on the show in the 9th season baiting Clark and Lois against each other driving them to be the best reporters in Metropolis.

[bigblueplanet]

Hi, again! After I read your latest post, I realized just how much we want different things from SV in the bigger picture.




I don’t want Smallville’s Clark Kent to “embrace his destiny” ie simply accept his psycho alien computer daddy’s wishes or DC comics ending/legal requirements etc.

SV’s Clark Kent doesn’t choose to be Superman because of Destiny. Nor does SV's Clark Kent choose to be Superman for the human desires of fame, global acclaim etc.

This, I agree. I’d rather like to see Clark becomes Superman because he chose to be, just like his other incarnations did.



SV’s Clark Kent like Pinocchio just wants to be an ordinary real boy living on a farm in Kansas with the love of his life.

You mean, ‘was’? Or do you think this is what he still wants now?


Being the tragic lone hero SV's Clark Kent chooses to be Superman for the greater good and in doing so gives up what he wants most of all ie an ordinary life with the love of his life and his worst fear comes true: He is alone.

Sounds like a Donner’s movie version of Superman but personally I don’t want Superman to be a ‘tragic hero’ at all, nor alone. I guess this is the personal preference. I like post-crisis Modern Age Superman.


Of course he doesn’t but only due to personal reasons ie desire to live an ordinary life with the love of his life and due to the fear of losing all that and being alone.

But being the hero SV's Clark Kent chooses to do what he doesn’t want for the greater good of everyone else and the determent of his personal hopes and dreams of an ordinary life with the love of his life.

You mentioned again about Clark wanting to live a normal life w/ Lana. But is that so?
According to the show canon, he is embracing to be a hero and we just saw a “happy to be RBB & actively saving people every day” Clark in Turbulence. And not to mention the love of his life is doing exactly the same thing elsewhere. If they could live together, that’s what they continue to do. Being super-powered heroes and continue saving people in an active manner and not wait until troubles would come to them in Smallville. I hardly call it ‘an ordinary life’ and they are already extra-ordinary because of what they are and what they can do. IMO, his desire to live an ordinary life with the love of his life was his boyhood dream (especially the *ordinary life* part). But now we could clearly see he evolved and so did Lana. JMO



I am not tired at all of that portrayal since I want SV's Clark Kent to be the classic tragic lone hero that sacrifices everything he wants through choice not destiny for the greater good.

So this is where we ultimately disagree. For me, Superman represents hope. He is not a tragic lone character at all. There’s a reason people keep calling him Big Blue Boy scout. It’s part of his - very Superman-like character - to me and I love it. YMMV


That said and accepted I personally would have kept Lana Lang on the show until the end of Smallville's run and then killed her in the last episode along with Chloe, Martha and everyone that knows Clark’s secret to line up Smallville to the classic Superman mythos.

And also everyone of the secret keepers have to be killed to explain why in the future Clark should never tell anyone else his secret but that is just my personal preference for the tragic heroic ending for all my favorite SV characters.

I just don’t personally have the taste for the Hollywood happy ending that I expect is coming but that puts me in the minority and that’s the breaks.

How this ending will line up to ‘the classic Superman Mythos’? I’m totally lost here. :confused:
And if you meant - predictable ending - by saying 'the Hollywood happy ending' you do not want to see, then, I'm sorry to disappoint you but I think it’s exactly how SV should end in the series final, IMHO. Because SV is NOT the end of Superman story like the "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?", but this is supposed to be the journey to get to the point where Superman begins. The moment Clark Kent becomes Superman, the show is over, I hope you agree with me on this point.

Therefore, Clark Kent can’t lose half of his supporting characters before he becomes Superman, but of course this is just my opinion. And as I said it in another post above, his supporting characters makes him more human and more relatable to us. You almost sound like you want Superman to lose his humanity, but then I saw what you said below:


I also am a fan of the original Superman who is quite dark and direct when dealing with evil. It wasn't until after the original creators sold Superman in the early 1940s that some editor at DC decided that Superman can't kill etc. I like my Superman with an edge and have had to live with the current watered down version of the original Superman so if I can live with that I can live the Hollywood happy ending I expect is coming in Smallville.

So you’re a fan of the original Superman written by Siegel and Shuster? To be honest, I’ve never read this era of Superman, so I didn’t know their Superman was dark and killing evils. Again, this is my personal preference but I’m happy that our Modern Age Superman is no longer a dark character who would never kill his opponents. This is also the reason I prefer DC over Marvel. Some prefer very realistic take on comics heroes while other prefer more fantasy ideal world which very much differ to the real world we live in. Me, I prefer the latter. So I guess we have to agree to disagree on how we’d like ‘our’ Superman to be.

.