TV Ratings for "Turbulence"

[xrayvision]

This thread is for the discussion of the TV ratings of Turbulence once they're available.

[Clana Kent]

I think this episode will do pretty well. Many people have wanted to see Clark fly and the trailer shows Clark and Tess in a crashing aircraft, which makes a lot of people think it will push Clark to the point where he learns to fly.

My guess for this episode's ratings: 4,20 million.

[SVrockschar89]

Ive been kinda excited about this eppy once I heard about it...:D:cool:

I'm gonna go with 4-4.05 million viewers

[zorasuperman]

prolli 3.5 million

[Clois86]

This should be a very interesting episode! I'm sure everyone wants to finally see Clark fly.
My guess for viewers would be 4.0 mil

[Supsfan]

Assuming it not pre-empted anywhere I will guess about 4M(probably slightly under). I figure the preview should keep people interested(very clark centric) and the show should build on last week.

[Jaderoyale]

Well i guessed high for Infamous and we know how that turned out, which i was pretty upset about. But we'll see.

[skylar]

Maybe a 4.3 people might want to tone in to see if he really does fly.

[Routh]

I'm going to have to kill xrayvision for stealing all of the sticky threads. >:(

I don't think we'll recover much from last week, unforunately. I think we're stuck under the 4 mil mark.

[cody]

I'm guessing around 4.2mil.:rotfl:Here's hoping!

[alejandrita439]

i think mabye 4.0

[Twehttam]

I think the NCAA tourney will play some sort of role tonight, so I'll say it stays flat from last week (3.6).

[Clark/Lois-fan]

I'll predict 4.00

[rajman]

4 mil any less and Oh my god

[marcella]

More than Infamous had

[skylar]

Smallville might take a big hit in the rating because of Bones and March Madness
there are games on the same time which sucks!!!

[davidbrenton]

Smallville Turbulence = 4.10

That's my prediction.

[Kevin24]

My prediction is between 3.3-3.7million viewers. As many people have already mentioned Smallville will have more competition then usual tonight. March Madness and Bones will take most of the viewers from Smallville but I hope many people DVR Smallville to help the Live+7 ratings. I hope I'm wrong and Smallville reaches over 4 million viewers but I won't be surprised if my predicition comes true.

[SparkleforSmallville]

ANTM was 3.60mil. So I hope it's higher than that. March madness is on CBS.
I guess I'll say 4.05mil., but until Basketball is done, I just don't know.:/

[6-Super-Man -5]

4 million or higher.

[bizzaroboy9]

4.02 is my guess!
i hope for a good number to beat last year descent's rating which had 3.61 million viewers

[Lori Lemaris]

Turbulence is WAY better than Infamous!

I love it!

Cassidy Freeman looks beautiful and fresh.

[Faby]

I will say around 4 million.

[Dominicus]

They promoted this one way better then Infamous, so we'll see if it has an effect.

[OkiyaShuichi]

Judging from Infamous, I said around 3.5

[batfinx]

For now I'd just settle for it ticking upward, even if it's only by a little. As long as it moves in the right direction, that's good enough. Besides, the show's renewed anyway.

[monel49]

3.7

[Durancelover]

3.9

[costas22]

The Hot-Tess deserved the highest rating of the season!But i doubt it will do over 3.8.Bones was new yesterday.

[Tompouce]

The Hot Clark deserves everything great, ahhhhh...I am going to have some cold water on my face, I need it http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[unex||den||adel]

when is it gona up?

[Fly by guy]

With Bones and college basketball, I say 3.3 million

[dreammaster]

I say 3.7 million

[DGirlLois4Clark]

I say 6 Million.lol

[Best Episode - 321]

The CW capped off Thursday with original installments of the already renewed Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.29 million; A18-49: #5, 1.4/ 4) and Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 3.14 million; A18-49: #5, 1.2/ 3). Worth noting for Supernatural was the almost full retention out of Smallville.

[BadToad]

Can't say I'm surprised. I always thought the combo of a bad arc, a long hiatus and tough competition would drive SV's numbers down for the rest of the season.

[tyson08]

Ouch.

[Iluvgreen]

It will have alot.

[SparkleforSmallville]

The CW capped off Thursday with original installments of the already renewed Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.29 million; A18-49: #5, 1.4/ 4) and Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 3.14 million; A18-49: #5, 1.2/ 3). Worth noting for Supernatural was the almost full retention out of Smallville.

Whoa! Glad Smallville is already renewed!
Not much to say,.......... Tom looked especially cute last night:)

[supes0]

Can't say I'm surprised. I always thought the combo of a bad arc, a long hiatus and tough competition would drive SV's numbers down for the rest of the season.

I'm not surprised either.

[Supsfan]

Can't say I'm surprised. I always thought the combo of a bad arc, a long hiatus and tough competition would drive SV's numbers down for the rest of the season.

I am suprised it's so low. Last week it was pre-empted in alot of cities so I figure the number would not be as bad as last week. I don't see College basketball as major competition for Smallville either(which pre-empted Survivor on CBS). I expect the number to take a slight bump upwards when finals come out(unless it was pre-empted in places) but this is the worst rating ever for the show.

[-Nora-]

Look at the other shows: ratings are dropping EVERYWHERE. It's not just SV, trust me.

[myankskent]

This show is a mess right now and Smallville has more competition on a weekly basis with Bones facing off with it. The NCAA tournament takes a lot of viewers away as well because Smallville has a pretty strong male demographic and I would imagine a lot of them were watching the basketball. Of course, when Survivor returns, that's not going to help Smallville either.

[Supsfan]

Look at the other shows: ratings are dropping EVERYWHERE. It's not just SV, trust me.

Still I have the Mendoza line for Smallville at 3.5M

[Lori Lemaris]

Oh my god.
Ever since Miss Lana Lang (Kristin Kreuk) left the show at Requiem, the ratings got stinkier and stinkier...

Clana and Lana fans please come back!!!

Now I know why the producers love Miss Kristin Kreuk (Lana) she kinda draw viewers no matter how stinky her storylines...

[Timester]

Oh my god.
Ever since Miss Lana Lang (Kristin Kreuk) left the show at Requiem, the ratings got stinkier and stinkier...

Clana and Lana fans please come back!!!

Now I know why the producers love Miss Kristin Kreuk (Lana) she kinda draw viewers no matter how stinky her storylines...

:rotfl:

Good joke.

No, seriously, good joke.

[psyko69]

Oh my god.
Ever since Miss Lana Lang (Kristin Kreuk) left the show at Requiem, the ratings got stinkier and stinkier...

Clana and Lana fans please come back!!!

Now I know why the producers love Miss Kristin Kreuk (Lana) she kinda draw viewers no matter how stinky her storylines...

*Does best impression of Darth Vader at the end of Episode III.

[costas22]

This show is a mess right now and Smallville has more competition on a weekly basis with Bones facing off with it. The NCAA tournament takes a lot of viewers away as well because Smallville has a pretty strong male demographic and I would imagine a lot of them were watching the basketball. Of course, when Survivor returns, that's not going to help Smallville either.
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I agree about Bones and the game.However,the show is good compared to what we were seeing in February.Maybe Kristin took some fans with her?And this 3.29 is fixing to get lower in the finals right?Oh boy.

[zor-el]

no, what happened

[CallMeClark]

I hope we get some better ratings soon... Eh.

[supes0]

This show is a mess right now and Smallville has more competition on a weekly basis with Bones facing off with it. The NCAA tournament takes a lot of viewers away as well because Smallville has a pretty strong male demographic and I would imagine a lot of them were watching the basketball. Of course, when Survivor returns, that's not going to help Smallville either.

Which exacerbates the problem. With all the constant stalling (who really believed Clark was going to fly last night?) and bad arc regression frustrations, Smallville doesn't become a priority. Other shows & especially the NCAA tournament are important factors, but dampening the enthusiasm of the audience doesn't help.

I'm interested in the DVR numbers for last week and this week.

[Timester]

I agree about Bones and the game.However,the show is good compared to what we were seeing in February.Maybe Kristin took some fans with her?And this 3.29 is fixing to get lower in the finals right?Oh boy.

Her "fans" didn't watched the first part of the season in the first place.

[-Nora-]

Oh my god.
Ever since Miss Lana Lang (Kristin Kreuk) left the show at Requiem, the ratings got stinkier and stinkier...

Clana and Lana fans please come back!!!

Now I know why the producers love Miss Kristin Kreuk (Lana) she kinda draw viewers no matter how stinky her storylines...

LOL! Good one. Just FYI, SV did pretty darn well without KK.

[luvinChlark]

At least this show is already renewed. But it still stinks to see the ratings drop, SV is up against some tough competition each week and now next week it's up against American Idol...

[Supsfan]

I hope we get some better ratings soon... Eh.

I am going to guess it's not going to get much better. Even if they progressively get better after this, the show goes on Hiatus again for 2 weeks after the the next 2 episodes. Maybe Spring break had some effect on this week?

For comparison to last season Traveler(episode 14 of 20) had the worst rating


At least this show is already renewed. But it still stinks to see the ratings drop, SV is up against some tough competition each week and now next week it's up against American Idol...

I think Bones is tougher competition for the audience Smallville aims at, and I am guessing Fox leaves Bones on and AI is after that.

[myankskent]

I agree about Bones and the game.However,the show is good compared to what we were seeing in February.Maybe Kristin took some fans with her?And this 3.29 is fixing to get lower in the finals right?Oh boy.


I know that many believe that the previous episode has an impact on how well the next episode does, so maybe people didn't like "Infamous". I don't know if that's true in all cases. There was nothing wrong with the promo for "Turbulence". It had only Clark scenes with flight being teased. Maybe they could've thrown a Doomsday scene in there, but if the promo focuses on Clark, then I can't really complain about that. As for KK leaving, it's possible that her leaving has taken some fans away. I still think that the direction of this show right now is very suspect. At times, I don't even know what Smallville is about anymore.

[Timester]

I know that many believe that the previous episode has an impact on how well the next episode does, so maybe people didn't like "Infamous".

Reset Button TM episodes do have that problem.

[costas22]

Her "fans" didn't watched the first part of the season in the first place. <!-- / message -->

Maybe they did wanting to know what it was about so that when she did return they could follow the story.Every actor has "fans".Even Shelby(granted he might have more fans than Lana).Although i still believe that the biggest problem right now is the strong competition.

[thehenry89]

yeah I'm not suprised one bit by these numbers the whole superblana arch then the long hiatus, that's enough to bring ratings down substantially. Also Basketball and Bones again leeched alot of viewers.

[Timester]

Maybe they did wanting to know what it was about so that when she did return they could follow the story.Every actor has "fans".Even Shelby(granted he might have more fans than Lana).Although i still believe that the biggest problem right now is the strong competition.

No, they didn't watched it. I'm just quoting the Lana fans themselves.

[costas22]

I still think that the direction of this show right now is very suspect. At times, I don't even know what Smallville is about anymore.

I feel that after the Power fiasco they are trying to reestablish themselves.That's why Infamous was a mixed bag.But Turbulence was good.It started setting up the stories for the finale.Can't remember a Clark-lite episode being this good.

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No, they didn't watched it. I'm just quoting the Lana fans themselves.

Lana fans in the forum don't represent every Lana fan out there.

[marcella]

Ouch:(

[-Nora-]

Lana fans in the forum don't represent every Lana fan out there.

The average viewer didn't even KNOW that KK would be in those 4 eps.

[Timester]

Lana fans in the forum don't represent every Lana fan out there.

All I say is, fear the "Lanadom". :p

Lana fans watch the show for one thing only, Lana Lang. That's why they are Lana fans.

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The average viewer didn't even KNOW that KK would be in those 4 eps.

Exactly.

[marcella]

Another proof that the problem isn't about shippers

[Timester]

Another proof that the problem isn't about shippers

Quite the opposite.

[costas22]

Lana fans watch the show for one thing only, Lana Lang. That's why they are Lana fans.


Does that mean that Lois fans watch the show 9 times out of 22 every year?


The average viewer didn't even KNOW that KK would be in those 4 eps. <!-- / message -->

I am not talking about the average viewer.I am talking about Smallville and Lana fans who browse the internet,learn about the show but don't enter forum discussions.

[-Nora-]

I am not talking about the average viewer.I am talking about Smallville and Lana fans who browse the internet,learn about the show but don't enter forum discussions.

Overall I'd say that's a REALLY small percentage.

[supes0]

Another proof that the problem isn't about shippers

The problem is poor storytelling.

[Timester]

Does that mean that Lois fans watch the show 9 times out of 22 every year?

Has Lois left the show?

[costas22]

Another proof that the problem isn't about shippers
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That's true.I still feel the biggest problem is the competition.It wasn't quite like this before Christmas.

[Timester]

The problem is poor storytelling.

Yep.

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That's true.I still feel the biggest problem is the competition.It wasn't quite like this before Christmas.

Yet again, Smallville had stronger competition the previous years.

[costas22]

Has Lois left the show? <!-- / message -->

Technically Lana didn't leave the show from Odyssey to Bride either.


Yet again, Smallville had stronger competition the previous years. <!-- / message --><!-- edit note -->

And it also had a better cast and still fresh storylines in previous years.

[Timester]

Technically Lana didn't leave the show from Odyssey to Bride either.

No, KK did.

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And it also had a better cast and still fresh storylines in previous years.

So, you are agreeing with me that has nothing to do with the competition, but with the storytelling.

And the better cast is relative, considering that Smallville survived without 3 of the cast.

[supes0]

I am not talking about the average viewer.I am talking about Smallville and Lana fans who browse the internet,learn about the show but don't enter forum discussions.

The decline started right after Power with Requium. It lost a quarter million viewers, and it was KK's last episode, showcased the Clark/Lana relationship, and included a DC villan. So if the rating loss had anything to do with Lana fans, I'd expect the decline to have begun with Infamous, not Lana's final episode.

MHO the rating decline is due to bad storytelling (and stiffer competition) as is relates to Clark Kent. Not to any other character. If Clark looks hapless, foolish or plain bad, the incentive to watch lessens.

I don't think ships influence the ratings, but inconsistent and poorly told stories do.

[Timester]

Very true costas22. This forum doesn't represent Lana fans. No offense meant toward the board. It is what it is. I come here for other things. If I wanted to gush over Lana and Clana, this is not the site I would come to.

Thank you for proving my point.

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The decline started right after Power with Requium, it lost a quarter million viewers, and it was KK's last episode, showcased the Clark/Lana relationship, and included a DC villan. So if the rating loss had anything to do with Lana fans, I'd expect the decline to have begun with Infamous, not Lana's final episode.

MHO the rating decline is due to bad storytelling as is relates to Clark Kent. Not to any other character. If Clark looks hapless, foolish or plain bad, the incentive to watch lessens.

I don't think ships influence the ratings, but inconsistent and poorly told stories do.

ITA

[costas22]

So, you are agreeing with me that has nothing to do with the competition, but with the storytelling.


It's both.Look at what i am saying above.I am talking about this season.The playing field has changed after Christmas.Bones wasn't on before Christmas.That's why the ratings have dropped.Why do you think Power was the only one to do over 4mil in recent weeks?Smallville survived without the 3 cast members but it lost about a million viewers on average from season 7.Better cast is not the proper term.More recognisable i think suits more my point.A show with Michael Rosenbaum,John Glover and Kristin Kreuk will attract more viewers than without them.

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MHO the rating decline is due to bad storytelling as is relates to Clark Kent. Not to any other character. If Clark looks hapless, foolish or plain bad, the incentive to watch lessens.

I don't think ships influence the ratings, but inconsistent and poorly told stories do. <!-- / message -->

I agree with you.but as i said above,i blame bad storytelling as much as the increased competition.The only thing that i am wondering about is if some Lana fans stuck with the show in the first half of the season waiting for Lana to be back and when she left for good,so did they.

[Timester]

Why do you think Power was the only one to do over 4mil in recent weeks?

Because Bulletproof was good and people were honestly expecting for a friendship Clana coming after that ending.


Smallville survived without the 3 cast members but it lost about a million viewers on average from season 7.

Not true, it lost after the Power arc. The first part of the season was averaging higher than season 7.

[costas22]

Not true, it lost after the Power arc. The first part of the season was averaging higher than season 7. <!-- / message -->

Let's see,shall we?


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Actually Season 8 started beating Season 7 after the Power arc.Thanx to JAMHEXXX for the graph.

[supes0]

I agree with you.but as i said above,i blame bad storytelling as much as the increased competition.The only thing that i am wondering about is if some Lana fans stuck with the show in the first half of the season waiting for Lana to be back and when she left for good,so did they.

But the rating decline happened after Power. A quarter of a million people did not come back for Requiem, which was Lana's last episode, if they were watching and waiting for her to come back, why would they leave before her last episode? The promo after Power for Requiem showcased Lana, so viewers knew she was in the following episode.

Infamous held on okay considering the long hiatus (are the DVR numbers out yet?), this week had Bones and the NCAA to contend with.

If I were going to pin the decline on a particular fanbase, I'd say Clark fans left because what happened to Clark Kent's character in the P/R arc.

[Sarevokcz]

i think he meant whole s7, not first half of s7 ;)

[Timester]

Let's see,shall we?

Yes? The mid is averaring higher.

[costas22]

Because Bulletproof was good and people were honestly expecting for a friendship Clana coming after that ending.


Actually people were expecting the friendship after Legion.After Bulletproof they were expecting more.


Yes? The mid is averaring higher. <!-- / message -->

Oh ok,i get your point.I thought you meant the first half of Season 7.But it's not fair comparing the middle of one season while it is uninterrupted to the whole of another seson that was disrrupted by the strike is it?

[Timester]

Actually Season 8 started beating Season 7 after the Power arc.Thanx to JAMHEXXX for the graph.

Uh? It was beating it before the Power arc, not after. :confused:

[suzieQ]

I think Turbulence is the lowest rated SV episode in its history.....if this rating is accurate and final.

[Timester]

Actually people were expecting the friendship after Legion.After Bulletproof they were expecting more.

Uh?

Everybody and their aunts were talking about Clana's interrupted kiss of Bulletproof.

[supes0]

Actually people were expecting the friendship after Legion.After Bulletproof they were expecting more.

Bulletproof ended with Clark and Lana pulling out of a kiss looking at each other uncertainly. The promo for power was very misleading. Lois showed up in it, making it seem as if there was a triangle brewing.

The promo for Requiem on the other hand promised much more, they showed that Clark/Lana had sex, and were very involved with each other. Yet Requiem with all this lost a quarter of a million people from Power.

[Aries83]

3.29? that totally sucks...I thought it would go back up after last week. A lot of stuff is being preempted by the stupid basketball games, even afternoon Soaps where I live.

They need to let him fly if they have any hopes for next year (or even a 10th season if grace allows). I hope it goes up if it's not the final.

[costas22]

The promo for Requiem on the other hand promised much more, they showed that Clark/Lana had sex, and were very involved with each other. Yet Requiem with all this lost a quarter of a million people from Power. <!-- / message -->

I still feel that it's not about ships.So far this year Legion and Power are the only two episodes that have not gone against Bones and they are the only 2 above 4 million.Coincidence?

[Timester]

I still feel that it's not about ships.So far this year Legion and Power are the only two episodes that have not gone against Bones and they are the only 2 above 4 million.Coincidence?

Yes. Because Legion was promed the crap out of it, with the many comics fans coming to see it.

[myankskent]

The Clana arc, at this point, is over. What we are watching now is a continuation of the first half of the season with the whole Chloe/Doomsday storyline and yet, the ratings are continuing to fall. So maybe people don't like this storyline. Maybe the competition is too much for Smallville to handle. Maybe people just don't like the direction that Smallville is going in across the board. Whatever it is, I'm sure the ratings for season 9 will be right back up there at 4 million a week after TPTB announce all of the new shiny toys that are going to be a part of that season. However, I do think that the loss of the main cast is the reason why we are not seeing any episodes break 5 million viewers anymore. That's the only point that I will make about losing KK, MR and JG last year.

[Supsfan]

I still feel that it's not about ships.So far this year Legion and Power are the only two episodes that have not gone against Bones and they are the only 2 above 4 million.Coincidence?

I think it's a combination of alot of things and Bones definantly a big part. The whole Lana arc though was misguided. They should have brought KK back from episodes 1-5 to finish up her storyline then have Clark move on from there. Power and Requiem totally derailed the season in terms of telling a coherent story.

My guess the theory of the producers was to try and prove Lois and Clark can sell so they can get there 9th season and in the second half put them on the backburner and do yet another reboot next season.

[costas22]

Yes. Because Legion was promed the crap out of it, with the many comics fans coming to see it. <!-- / message -->

And Power?Was the Bulletproof kiss that good a cliffhanger?Because i remember everyone saying that they liked Bulletproof except for the last 3 minutes.

[supes0]

I still feel that it's not about ships.So far this year Legion and Power are the only two episodes that have not gone against Bones and they are the only 2 above 4 million.Coincidence?

I agree, it's not ships. It's about bad storytelling.

Power did well, but since Power the ratings have fallen.

Requiem lost a quarter million viewers, the promo featured Lana heavily, it include Clark/Lana sex, and more. If Lana fans are the reason why the ratings are down, wouldn't the rating decline have started with Infamous and not Requiem, Lana's big goodbye?

It makes no sense this has anything to do with KK fans or any other fanbase other than Clark Kent fans.

[Timester]

And Power?Was the Bulletproof kiss that good a cliffhanger?Because i remember everyone saying that they liked Bulletproof except for the last 3 minutes.

Why Requiem felt then? That's what you keep ignoring.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Yes. Because Legion was promed the crap out of it, with the many comics fans coming to see it.

True, you had TV Guide, New York Times, New York Post along with many other internet type interviews!!

[joesmallville]

I guess we will find out next week how much Bones hurts Smallville.

Because of the Obama speech on Tuesday, American Idol will be on instead of Bones on Thursday.

[Timester]

The Clana arc, at this point, is over.

It's never over on the subconcient. :(

They need to promo Smallville like hell again, with the phrase "No more Lana! We swear that is truth this time!" Not that many will believe it. :p

[suzieQ]

Bones was not competition for SV til the beginning of 2009. Requiem had competition from a NEW episode of Bones!

Turbulence had competition from Bones, NCAA basketball and whatever else.

A consistant pattern in the ratings since at least Season 4 , is that the latter part of the season there HAS been a drop in the ratings for Smallville. Could be caused by a number of things...but nonetheless it has been significant. So this is not unusual.....despite people trying to state one factor or another as the reason.

I don't know why some like to generalize about certain fandoms when they truly have no idea what they are talking about.

[costas22]

The Clana arc, at this point, is over. What we are watching now is a continuation of the first half of the season with the whole Chloe/Doomsday storyline and yet, the ratings are continuing to fall. So maybe people don't like this storyline. Maybe the competition is too much for Smallville to handle. Maybe people just don't like the direction that Smallville is going in across the board. Whatever it is, I'm sure the ratings for season 9 will be right back up there at 4 million a week after TPTB announce all of the new shiny toys that are going to be a part of that season. However, I do think that the loss of the main cast is the reason why we are not seeing any episodes break 5 million viewers anymore. That's the only point that I will make about losing KK, MR and JG last year.

ITA


I think it's a combination of alot of things and Bones definantly a big part. The whole Lana rc though was misguided. They should have brought KK back from episodes 1-5 to finish up her storyline then have Clark move on from there. Power and Requiem totally derailed the season in terms of telling a coherent story.


That's exactly what they should have done.I said it myself.Last week i felt like i was watching Odyssey again.With Infamous you felt that they were trying to clean up the mess from previous episodes.Now,with no Lana in the equation,we can hope that Seaosn 9 has one united theme that will run until the end of the season.And it would also be nice if they gave all of the cast more episodes.It's not nice ending Infamous like that and not bringing Lois back in Turbulence.Also,it's not nice not having Tess in Hex after the episode she had.Same goes for Oliver whom we haven't seen for 2 episodes after he blew up Lex.

[Mickey_Bickey]

It's never over on the subconcient. :(

They need to promo Smallville like hell again, with the phrase "No more Lana! We swear that is truth this time!" Not that many will believe it. :p


:rotfl::rotfl:

Release her statement that she's done with the show!! You can't promote this enough!!

[Timester]

I don't know why some like to generalize about certain fandoms when they truly have no idea what they are talking about.

Yeah, it's like we haven't talk about ratings since season 3... Oh wait...

[myankskent]

Why Requiem felt then? That's what you keep ignoring.

Maybe people decided that watching a fake Lex in the promo try to break up Clana yet again was something that they didn't want to see. Really, who knows why the numbers for "Requiem" dropped.

[costas22]

Why Requiem felt then? That's what you keep ignoring.

I told you why 3 times.Because against Requiem there was a new episode of Bones.

[Timester]

:rotfl::rotfl:

Release her statement that she's done with the show!! You can't promote this enough!!

She did release it, last year.

[myankskent]

I told you why 3 times.Because against Requiem there was a new episode of Bones.

Is that true? Bones returned that week? If that's the case, then yes, I would have to agree that this would be the reason for the drop.

[Timester]

I told you why 3 times.Because against Requiem there was a new episode of Bones.

Nothing against you, but sorry, I don't buy it. Power was as bad as Magnetic and Ageless, episodes that made people flip and say "enough of this crap".

If Requiem was THE Clana episode, then why would lost a quarter million if the Lana fandom is that big? That's why it doesn't make any sense about the competition.

[suzieQ]

I told you why 3 times.Because against Requiem there was a new episode of Bones.

Some people don't seem to remember that little detail. Could have impact on SV even into next year.

[costas22]

Is that true? Bones returned that week? If that's the case, then yes, I would have to agree that this would be the reason for the drop. <!-- / message -->

It's true.Ever since the turn of the year,the only episodes that didn't have Bones against them were Legion and POwer.And unfortunately,it will be a while before another Smallville episode isn't against Bones.

[myankskent]

I would like to know what the rating was for Bones the night "Requiem" aired and how much competition from the other networks that Smallville faced vs. what was on during "Power".

[costas22]

Some people don't seem to remember that little detail.

Not when it goes against their point of view.

[Timester]

Some people don't seem to remember that little detail. Could have impact on SV even into next year.

Wait, a Clana fan admiting that the Clana fandom is not that big? :eek:

[Supsfan]

Nothing against you, but sorry, I don't buy it. Power was as bad as Magnetic and Ageless, episodes that made people flip and say "enough of this crap".

I disagree, while Magnetic wasn't good, it wasn't Power(#2 worst episode on my list) or Ageless(#1) bad

[myankskent]

It's true.Ever since the turn of the year,the only episodes that didn't have Bones against them were Legion and POwer.

What about "Bulletproof"?

[Supsfan]

What about "Bulletproof"?

That went up against Bones, Power went up against Americian Idol, Requiem up against Bones. It should be noted that during the Lana run FOX was the only station with first run programming(the rest had repeats)

[costas22]

Nothing against you, but sorry, I don't buy it. Power was as bad as Magnetic and Ageless, episodes that made people flip and say "enough of this crap". If Requiem was THE Clana episode, then why would lost a quarter million if the Lana fandom is that big? That's why it doesn't make any sense about the competition.

I never said the Lana or Clana fan clubs were that big these days.It must be ages since they were voted the best couple on the Kryptonsite awards.Nothing against you either.Let's just agree to disagree.

[Timester]

Not when it goes against their point of view.

When I see contradicting posts saying that it's because the Lana fans are gone and then blame the competition when THE Clana episode doesn't bring the numbers, it most certainly doesn't fit my point of view, or anyone that isn't hypocrite.

[supes0]

I told you why 3 times.Because against Requiem there was a new episode of Bones.

But how does this translate in to a loss of Lana fans? Requiem was her last episode. Power did well against Idol, Requiem didn't do well against Bones.

If Lana fans were going to leave and affect ratings then we would have seen the pattern begin with Infamous not Requiem.

Increased competition is a big factor, and this week had the added Basketball component, but I don't agree that Lana fans (or Lois fans or Chloe fans) have anything to do with this. I don't think this is ship based.

It's a combination of a derailed story which dampens the viewers enthusiasm and increased competition, albeit people could DVR it and watch other shows live.

[Mickey_Bickey]

She did release it, last year.

After seeing Power and Requiem, I'm sure there were viewers who just said "I'm done"!

I was talking about the interview after Requiem aired where she stated that she would never return. This is after her interview before Power aired where she said she might come back if there was "something interesting" for her!

The showrunners should be promoting the crap out of these final episodes, and unfortunately they're not. People probably think that episodes like Power and Requiem are the norm.:(

[Timester]

I disagree, while Magnetic wasn't good, it wasn't Power(#2 worst episode on my list) or Ageless(#1) bad

That would lead us to a big description of what bad was on Magnetic. :p

But, in one phrase, Lana defending her mind raper against Clark.

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I never said the Lana or Clana fan clubs were that big these days.It must be ages since they were voted the best couple on the Kryptonsite awards.

Because K-Site is not sweet.

And that's all I'll say.

[suzieQ]

Wait, a Clana fan admiting that the Clana fandom is not that big? :eek:


I will never get into a conversation here about who or what brings in the ratings!

Like I said, the ratings have consistantly fallen in the second half of the season since at least season 4, when SV has been on Thursdays at 8pm. You just cannot ignore those statistics.

What factors are the cause of this, who knows for sure, ......but whatever impacts the spring season are numerous and not one "single" factor.

Blaming things on Lana is without merit and generalizing about the fandom viewing practices is without facts.

[costas22]

When I see contradicting posts saying that it's because the Lana fans are gone and then blame the competition when THE Clana episode doesn't bring the numbers, it most certainly doesn't fit my point of view, or anyone that isn't hypocrite. <!-- / message -->

Thanx.Real classy.For the last time and hoping that you might get.It was a question.I wondered if the absence of the Lana fans had anything to do with the drop.But i clarified that i thought that the main reasons were bad storytelling and the competition.Next time read better before you insult the others.

[bigblueplanet]

And Power?Was the Bulletproof kiss that good a cliffhanger?Because i remember everyone saying that they liked Bulletproof except for the last 3 minutes.

You keep saying 'they' but who are 'they' for you? A general fans?
But there are bunch of fans who view the show differently, imo, and you can't just categorize us as 'they'.

As for me, of course I can't speak for everyone but I am one of these 'they' you're talking about and yes, I thought Bulletproof was a heck of a good cliffhanger. And for the record, I was expecting Clana friendship closure until the last 5 min of Requiem. Well, silly me I know but it's a fact.

[myankskent]

That went up against Bones, Power went up against Americian Idol, Requiem up against Bones. It should be noted that during the Lana run FOX was the only station with first run programming(the rest had repeats)

Well there you go. The added competition is the problem. I still think that Bones took away a little bit from "Requiem" because it's the kind of show that Smallville viewers would watch. I mean, the rating for "Power" up against American Idol, went up compared to "Bulletproof", which was up against Bones, right?

[costas22]

But how does this translate in to a loss of Lana fans? Requiem was her last episode. Power did well against Idol, Requiem didn't do well against Bones.

If Lana fans were going to leave and affect ratings then we would have seen the pattern begin with Infamous not Requiem.

Increased competition is a big factor, and this week had the added Basketball component, but I don't agree that Lana fans (or Lois fans or Chloe fans) have anything to do with this. I don't think this is ship based.

It's a combination of a derailed story which dampens the viewers enthusiasm and increased competition, albeit people could DVR it and watch other shows live.

Power was against Idol yes,i just consider Bones a much more direct competition to Smallville than Idol.Was Idol on also during the first half of the season?I can't remember.I agree with your last phrase.

[Timester]

Like I said, the ratings have consistantly fallen in the second half of the season since at least season 4, when SV has been on Thursdays at 8pm. You just cannot ignore those statistics.

Even before. The first big drop was after Magnetic/Shattered combo. Shattered was a great episode (probably the best), but it was also the episode the Clana yoyo started.

[Timester]

Thanx.Real classy.For the last time and hoping that you might get.It was a question.I wondered if the absence of the Lana fans had anything to do with the drop.But i clarified that i thought that the main reasons were bad storytelling and the competition.Next time read better before you insult the others.

:confused:

I wasn't talking about you. Sorry if you got that idea.

[Kevin24]

A lot of bias opinion in this thread. I strongly believe the ratings are down because of March Madness and Bones. March Madness is a freaking big deal and almost everyone is betting on it, watching , and obsessing about it.

Don't underestimate the impact March Madness has on other ratings.

[supes0]

.I wondered if the absence of the Lana fans had anything to do with the drop.

Gotcha. But I don't think this is supportable by the evidence. If Lana fans had anything to do with it, the ratings decline would have begun with Infamous.

Instead it began with the quarter million drop after Power with Requiem, which was very Lana centric, and heavy with the Clark/Lana ship. A show Lana fans would have stuck around for.

So I'll repeat, I don't think Lana fans, Lois fans, Chloe fans, or Lex fans are the reason for rating declines. Nor do I think ships are the problem.

It's inconsistent storytelling mixed with increased competition.

[Mickey_Bickey]

You keep saying 'they' but who are 'they' for you? A general fans?
But there are bunch of fans who view the show differently, imo, and you can't just categorize us as 'they'.

As for me, of course I can't speak for everyone but I am one of these 'they' you're talking about and yes, I thought Bulletproof was a heck of a good cliffhanger. And for the record, I was expecting Clana friendship closure until the last 5 min of Requiem. Well, silly me I know but it's a fact.

That's what I was expecting to, and honestly I still can't believe the absurd route that the "writing team" took on those episodes.

Clearly, fans were lost during the airing of the January and February episodes and with good reason. I feared that a lot of people would start tuning into other shows, and that's exactly what's happened.

They haven't promoted the episodes with Lois Lane or the JLA or Doomsday at all. That's not a wise decision especially coming off the two worst episodes in the history of Smallville which were Power and Requiem, and I've seen them all. Nothing compared to these two. Clark looked like a big doofus!!

Anyhow, I'm not sure how the ratings are going to go for the rest of the season. We can only hope that someone gets off their butts and starts promoting the upcoming good episodes.

[costas22]

You keep saying 'they' but who are 'they' for you? A general fans?
But there are bunch of fans who view the show differently, imo, and you can't just categorize us as 'they'.

As for me, of course I can't speak for everyone but I am one of these 'they' you're talking about and yes, I thought Bulletproof was a heck of a good cliffhanger. And for the record, I was expecting Clana friendship closure until the last 5 min of Requiem. Well, silly me I know but it's a fact. <!-- / message -->

You are right,sorry.I don't want to generalise.I also liked Bulletproof as a whole.I remember seeing a post in the Bulletproof thread saying "what did you think about the episode until the last 3 minutes".That's why i said that above.

[myankskent]

Power was against Idol yes,i just consider Bones a much more direct competition to Smallville than Idol.Was Idol on also during the first half of the season?I can't remember.I agree with your last phrase.

No, it wasn't. I don't think that FOX had much of anything on against Smallville during the first half of the season. Maybe that stupid Hole in the Wall show.

[Timester]

A lot of bias opinion in this thread. I strongly believe the ratings are down because of March Madness and Bones. March Madness is a freaking big deal and almost everyone is betting on it, watching , and obsessing about it.

Don't underestimate the impact March Madness has on other ratings.

It's these kind of posts that I don't understand. Smallville is on its 8th season, do you really think that ratings talking only appeared now?

[Seeya'round Smallville]

I don't know the exact ratings why the ratings are down in the second half, but right now I'm glad. This show was a totally different show in the first half of the season than it has been in the second half. IMO they sold us the Superman-esque Smallville in the first half, and then in the second half they went back to Season 7 for a month and now it's half of what the first half was and half complete Chloe/Davis soap opera instead of that being relegated to minor B-plots. The trailer itself for this episode was a prime example of bait-and-switch to try and fool people into thinking Clark would fly. And the trailer for next week that aired on TV was more of a trailer for 2 weeks from now and cut almost everything about next week's episode out. I have a couple episodes I'm looking forward to for the rest of this season, but the second half as a whole I am somewhat glad to see bombing, just because I feel like I was sold a bill of goods and then given the exact opposite. The showrunners deserve to have their horrible planning of the second half poorly received.

[Timester]

Smallville has been against Lost in the past, for Rao's sake. Yes, Lost. And Ugly Betty. And Survivor.

I simply don't buy the competition theory.

[Kevin24]

It's these kind of posts that I don't understand. Smallville is on its 8th season, do you really think that ratings talking only appeared now?

What are you talking about?:lol:

Are you just mad because I don't agree with your reasoning behind the ratings drop?:lol:

[costas22]

:confused:

I wasn't talking about you. Sorry if you got that idea.

Ok.Sorry if i got the wrong idea.I thought that you misunderstood me.

[myankskent]

They haven't promoted the episodes with Lois Lane or the JLA or Doomsday at all.


The "Infamous" promo has Lois in it. I'm not sure about Doomsday, though.

[suzieQ]

I think that March Madness has played a part in the decline of ratings in the second half of the SV seasons. Games are played in those prime time slots. It is a huge event.

[Timester]

What are you talking about?:lol:

Are you just mad because I don't agree with your reasoning behind the ratings drop?:lol:

Nope, that in some twisted view, that people care about their bias. If they did, why would say that is about bad storytelling in the first place?

[myankskent]

Smallville has been against Lost in the past, for Rao's sake. Yes, Lost.

I simply don't buy the competition theory.

And it failed. Wasn't that season 4 when the ratings for Smallville were really low?

[Mickey_Bickey]

The "Infamous" promo has Lois in it. I'm not sure about Doomsday, though.

What promo? On the CW site? That's not enough. They had write ups in the New York Times, New York Post and TV Guide for Legion as well as various promotional interviews on various web sites! I'm not talking about trailers here.

[Timester]

And it failed. Wasn't that season 4 when the ratings for Smallville were really low?

It moved from Wednesdays to Thursdays. And seriously? Season 4? Witch arc? ;)

[myankskent]

What promo? On the CW site? That's not enough. They had write ups in the New York Times, New York Post and TV Guide for Legion as well as various promotional interviews on various web sites! I'm not talking about trailers here.

Oh, well "Legion" was a very big episode. They never promote every single episode like that but I agree, TPTB and the cast haven't done any interviews since the beginning of the season.

[Mickey_Bickey]

It moved from Wednesdays to Thursdays. And seriously? Season 4? Witch arc? ;)

That was pretty bad I have to say, and again had to do with Lana's story. For some stupid reason, they just couldn't stop trying to force her to be the focus of the show which in turn made a lot of viewers sick of her character. It was always at Clark's expense, and that's why the first half of this season was so awesome to watch!

Slowly, it's getting back on track, and that's what the showrunners need to promote before they lose even more viewers.

[myankskent]

It moved from Wednesdays to Thursdays. And seriously? Season 4? Witch arc? ;)

I'll take it over what we are getting now. At least season 4 had a few really good episodes and a much bigger budget.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Oh, well "Legion" was a very big episode. They never promote every single episode like that but I agree, TPTB and the cast haven't done any interviews since the beginning of the season.


That's what I'm talking about! I mean I think Doomsday will be a big episode too, but where's the promotion on the build up of the finale? Where are the interviews? None! They're nonexistent, and without that sort of promotion how can you draw back the viewers they've lost in the last couple of months?

[costas22]

Slowly, it's getting back on track, and that's what the showrunners need to promote before they lose even more viewers. <!-- / message -->

As long as they don't give the fans false hopes about flight because that will blow up in their face.

[bigblueplanet]

You are right,sorry.I don't want to generalise.I also liked Bulletproof as a whole.I remember seeing a post in the Bulletproof thread saying "what did you think about the episode until the last 3 minutes".That's why i said that above.

No worries, Costas. I remember the thread, too. But if you recall, there's also a thread titled "Clana Revamped" (one of the most posted thread of the episode actually) and you can see so many people were saying this ending will turn surprisingly in the Power. LOTs of us had a hope back then. (Then again, lots of others had another hope, too! LOL)

[Timester]

That's what I'm talking about! I mean I think Doomsday will be a big episode too, but where's the promotion on the build up of the finale? Where are the interviews? None! They're nonexsistant, and without that sort of promotion how can you draw back the viewers they've lost in the last couple of months?

We are getting Zatanna next week and where the hell is the promos about her?

Honestly, CW Promo Monkeys suck balls, especially after pulling the old stunt "Hey, Clark will do something that is not what happens on the episode!!" this week...

[Kevin24]

Nope, that in some twisted view, that people care about their bias. If they did, why would say that is about bad storytelling in the first place?

I personally do not believe it is bad storytelling that is driving the ratings down (I think Smallville has never been better.) but if you do that is fine. In your opinion when Lana came back is when the stories started getting bad and the ratings did lower while she was in the episodes.

In my opinion the reason those episode toward the end of the arc didn't do so well was because of the bad promos the CW had out for the upcoming episodes. It can also be that people got turned off by Clark getting back together with Lana, which goes into the bad storytelling point.

We have lost over a million viewers since Legion! That is a lot of people to lose. Could just the bad storytelling have made 1 million viewers leave ?

[Timester]

We have lost over a million viewers since Legion! That is a lot of people to lose. Could just the bad storytelling have made 1 million viewers leave ?

Yes. It happened on L&C.

[myankskent]

That's what I'm talking about! I mean I think Doomsday will be a big episode too, but where's the promotion on the build up of the finale? Where are the interviews? None! They're nonexistent, and without that sort of promotion how can you draw back the viewers they've lost in the last couple of months?

They won't. They very rarely do in the second half of any season. TPTB will just prepare a nice season 9 official description and that will get everyone pumped up again.

[Mickey_Bickey]

We are getting Zatanna next week and where the hell is the promos about her?

Honestly, CW Promo Monkeys suck balls, especially after pulling the old stunt "Hey, Clark will do something that is not what happens on the episode!!" this week...

Absolutely!! That's another thing, the whole hint of flying then once again disappointing the audience!!

Zatanna is another great character that we haven't heard one thing about!! Here she is coming to SV, and all you keep hearing from people is that it's a filler episode! That's yet to be seen, as I think this is finally going to put the nail in the coffin for Clark once and for all about him thinking about a normal life. We don't even have a directors cut or actual Hex promo yet!! It's absurd!

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They won't. They very rarely do in the second half of any season. TPTB will just prepare a nice season 9 official description and that will get everyone pumped up again.

It's really disappointing obviously!! I wish I worked for them. They need a good kick in the butt!

[bigblueplanet]

We have lost over a million viewers since Legion! That is a lot of people to lose. Could just the bad storytelling have made 1 million viewers leave ?

My husband left. (not from me, from the show.)
I know it's far from 1 million, but still count as 1. Well, just to give you the idea what *bad storytelling* can do to viewers.

[Mickey_Bickey]

My husband left. (not from me, from the show.)
I know it's far from 1 million, but still count as 1. Well, just to give you the idea what *bad storytelling* can do to viewers.

I completely agree! Actually, if it wasn't that I knew that Lana's character would be gone after Requiem I would have stopped watching myself. It was that bad. The writing collaboration butchered that storyline.

[supes0]

They won't. They very rarely do in the second half of any season. TPTB will just prepare a nice season 9 official description and that will get everyone pumped up again.

And mho, they need to advertise Season 9 as the final season. So we know there will be no more flying fakeouts and/or Clark regression arcs.

[curiosity]

Can't say I'm surprised. I always thought the combo of a bad arc, a long hiatus and tough competition would drive SV's numbers down for the rest of the season.

The Lana arc was really, really bad, combined with practically getting rid of Lois. I can't even describe in words how bad the Lana arc was. I think most people watching were in complete disbelief. Why won't they bring Lois back full time? I don't understand the lack of Lois.

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Yes. It happened on L&C.

The frog clone arc on L & C was awful.

[myankskent]

And mho, they need to advertise Season 9 as the final season. So we know there will be no more flying fakeouts and/or Clark regression arcs.

I agree, but I think that TPTB would be more than happy dragging everything out in season 9 if it means that a season 10 is a possibility.

[costas22]

I completely agree! Actually, if it wasn't that I knew that Lana's character would be gone after Requiem I would have stopped watching myself. It was that bad. The writing collaboration butchered that storyline. <!-- / message -->

Well the Power arc was a disaster.But we can never know for sure.As is the case with most things in life,i think it's a little bit of everything.The Power arc,the hiatus,the usual Spring blip,Bones etc etc

[supes0]

I agree, but I think that TPTB would be more than happy dragging everything out in season 9 if it means that a season 10 is a possibility.

One can only hope Welling stipulated 9 had to be the final season if they wanted him back...

:lol:

[Dominicus]

Gotcha. But I don't think this is supportable by the evidence. If Lana fans had anything to do with it, the ratings decline would have begun with Infamous.

Instead it began with the quarter million drop after Power with Requiem, which was very Lana centric, and heavy with the Clark/Lana ship. A show Lana fans would have stuck around for.

So I'll repeat, I don't think Lana fans, Lois fans, Chloe fans, or Lex fans are the reason for rating declines. Nor do I think ships are the problem.

It's inconsistent storytelling mixed with increased competition.Not to mention, Lana wasn't there for the first part of the season average 4mil+ viewers. Legion boosted the ratings, Power killed it.

[costas22]

I agree, but I think that TPTB would be more than happy dragging everything out in season 9 if it means that a season 10 is a possibility.


They started Season 8 with one eye on Season 9.I expect them to do the same next year.And if Tom leaves?They will bring his double in the Season 10,write him out ala Lex and all is right with the world.

[Kevin24]

How can we explain the drop from Infamous to Turbulence? Is Infamous a continuation of the bad writing and caused the drop off in Turbulence ratings? Was Turbulence another badly written episode that will cause next week to drop off even more?

[ZODisGOD]

Hopefully this will send a message to the writers that we want more Clark, and no Doomsday.

[costas22]

How can we explain the drop from Infamous to Turbulence? Is Infamous a continuation of the bad writing and caused the drop off in Turbulence ratings? Was Turbulence another badly written episode that will cause next week to drop off even more?
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My 2 cents on it is that Infamous had a catchy arc for people to come back to.It was also the return of Lois and many people had been waiting months for her.

[darkone]

I agree, but I think that TPTB would be more than happy dragging everything out in season 9 if it means that a season 10 is a possibility.

Yeah and I hope their future careers crash and burn just like the ratings. Apparantly the phrase enough is enough isn't familiar to them. Continuing a show without 2 of the 3 original leads is a betrayal to the audience IMO and I'm glad they get the receipt for that.


My 2 cents on it is that Infamous had a catchy arc for people to come back to.It was also the return of Lois and many people had been waiting months for her.

Right and those people were so excited that they tuned out.

[Kevin24]

I know during the first half of the year I was excited to see the progression between Lois and Clark. Finding out about Doomsday was also as exciting to me. During the Lana episodes my excitement did die down because I didn't like them getting back together but I still enjoyed the episodes.

Infamous was a great episode that returned my excitement to the show that I had earlier and turbulence has it at an all time high right now. I am looking forward to next week's episode but I am disappointed but not surprised by the drop in ratings.

People have a point about the storyline, which I don't agree was bad but some people do and I can understand that turning people off. I have been turned off by storylines too from shows I used to watch.

I just don't believe that is the sole reason for the dramatic drop in ratings. I strongly believe Bones and March Madness have a strong influence on the ratings. Last week we were preempited in some time zones as well for college basketball.

I think it's a combination of the storyline and the competition that is driving down ratings. I expect it to pick up but I believe we won't see 4 million viewers for the rest of the season.

I am predicting we average 3.7 million here on out.

[Mr.Magic]

Is Infamous a continuation of the bad writing and caused the drop off in Turbulence ratings? Was Turbulence another badly written episode that will cause next week to drop off even more?

Personally, I'd say yes to both.

[supes0]

My 2 cents on it is that Infamous had a catchy arc for people to come back to.It was also the return of Lois and many people had been waiting months for her.

I don't think characters (Lois, Lana, Jimmy, Chloe, etc) have much to do with it, with the exception of Clark Kent, as this is supposed to be his story.

Infamous had an interesting premise, re: outing himself to the world, but ended with the dreaded reset button which left open a lot of plot holes. I didn't think the writing was all that great.

March Madness isn't helping either, that is for sure.

Are the DVR numbers out for Infamous yet? It'll be interesting to see how many people recorded Smallville and watched Basketball (or Bones) live.

That said, I feel a very inconsistent story is being told the second half of the season. Doomsday was built up, then forgotten for episodes. RBB was built up, then forgotten for episodes. There is no focus.

I think they're trying to recover and get back to the dual identity and Doomsday stories they were telling the first 10 episodes of the season. However there are a lot of threads to pick up and mho, the writing has not been up to the task.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Yeah and I hope their future careers crash and burn just like the ratings. Apparantly the phrase enough is enough isn't familiar to them.
Right and those people were so excited that they tuned out.


There wasn't any promotion for Infamous. Again, people started tuning out long before Infamous, and there wasn't even so much as an interview before Infamous. How did anyone know that Lois Lane was coming back or that the storyline would get better?

[costas22]

I don't think characters (Lois, Lana, Jimmy, Chloe, etc) have much to do with it, with the exception of Clark Kent, as this is supposed to be his story.


Normally i would agree.But there was a sense of anticipation for Lois as she is a popular character and she left just when things between her and Clark were at their peak.It was also the general anticipation about the episode.I remember yesterday's countdown thread and it was abandoned like the Sahara desert compared to the Infamous one.Why didn't viewers stay for Turbulence?I know that he reset button annoyed me a lot.

[tyson08]

Ever since "Power" viewers have been leaving.

[myankskent]

There wasn't any promotion for Infamous. Again, people started tuning out long before Infamous, and there wasn't even so much as an interview before Infamous. How did anyone know that Lois Lane was coming back or that the storyline would get better?

Well, the problem is that Lois Lane really isn't coming back. I guess that's why ED isn't doing too many interviews anymore because she won't even be appearing in back-to-back episodes for the remainder of the season.

[SnowBird]

2 words...Tough competition.

[costas22]

2 words...Tough competition.
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3 letters...ITA :)

[Kevin24]

3 letters...ITA :)
:rotfl:that was a pretty funny interaction between you two.

[costas22]

:rotfl:that was a pretty funny interaction between you two.

;)

[Kevin24]

;)
;)

[costas22]

;)

As you can see Kevin i am trying to reach 2000 as soon as possible!

[Mickey_Bickey]

Well, the problem is that Lois Lane really isn't coming back. I guess that's why ED isn't doing too many interviews anymore because she won't even be appearing in back-to-back episodes for the remainder of the season.

It's hard to have back to back episodes when she's only in 12 episodes this season. I think that there's more than Lois to promote like the JLA, Doomsday and RBB!!!

[Kevin24]

As you can see Kevin i am trying to reach 2000 as soon as possible!
2,000 post count would look nice:cool:

I am with you and Snow about the competition being the main reason for the drop off in viewers. I can see storytelling being the cause too but I for one am loving the story they are telling even thought it seems I am in the minority here.

[costas22]

2,000 post count would look nice:cool:

I am with you and Snow about the competition being the main reason for the drop off in viewers. I can see storytelling being the cause too but I for one am loving the story they are telling even thought it seems I am in the minority here.

Well some of us watch Smallville through thick and thin.I like Tess but i will watch Hex even when i know she won't be there.But we can't expect from anyone to have the same tolerance.These numbers are an injustice to Turbulence.It was fantastic considering how Clark-lite it was.

[Kevin24]

Well some of us watch Smallville through thick and thin.I like Tess but i will watch Hex even when i know she won't be there.But we can't expect from anyone to have the same tolerance.These numbers are an injustice to Turbulence.It was fantastic considering how Clark-lite it was.

Yeah it was a fantastic episode and I noticed during the last interaction between Clark and Tess that she has a very nice backside.;)

Anyway, I know it's not supposed to be funny but now everytime I think of Chloe tazing Jimmy I......:rotfl:

Will march madness be over by next week and will bones be airing a new epi?

[Mickey_Bickey]

Well some of us watch Smallville through thick and thin.I like Tess but i will watch Hex even when i know she won't be there.But we can't expect from anyone to have the same tolerance.These numbers are an injustice to Turbulence.It was fantastic considering how Clark-lite it was.

Both Infamous and Turbulence were both good episodes, but unfortunately there's a whole host of issues, and those include the horrendous arc, hiatis, lack of promotion and competition.

The one thing that the CW could do is more promoting which they're clearly not doing. That might boost the ratings a bit to let the viewers who left know that the show is back on track, and that characters like Zatanna, Doomsday, the JLA and Lois Lane are all part of the storylines. During the Lana arc, with the exception of Legion the other storylines were nonexistent.

[costas22]

To be honest,i don't know what March madness is.I see that it has been mentioned a lot today.It must be something that affects the ratings i presume.Bones will have new episodes against Hex and Eternal.I really feel that Infamous and Turbulence would have been closer to 4mil without that show on Thursdays but what can you do?

[Mickey_Bickey]

To be honest,i don't know what March madness is.I see that it has been mentioned a lot today.It must be something that affects the ratings i presume.Bones will have new episodes against Hex and Eternal.I really feel that Infamous and Turbulence would have been closer to 4mil without that show on Thursdays but what can you do?

It's the NCAA basketball and hockey games. Sort of process of elimination that boils it down to the two best teams who compete for the National Championship title here. Lots of people bet on the games, so there's a vested interest in them.

[costas22]

The one thing that the CW could do is more promoting which they're clearly not doing. That might boost the ratings a bit to let the viewers who left know that the show is back on track, and that characters like Zatanna, Doomsday, the JLA and Lois Lane are all part of the storylines. During the Lana arc, with the exception of Legion the other storylines were nonexistent. <!-- / message -->

That's where i can't follow the topic unfortunately.I don't live in the US and i don't know how much Smallville has been promoted.The trailer for Infamous was good wasn't it?But if they showed once every week i can understand why you are saying about the lack of promotion.At the same time you can't promote Doomsday and the JL for Turbulence can you?But then again,they also promoted flight for Turbulence and loook how that turned out.


It's the NCAA basketball and hockey games. Sort of process of elimination that boils it down to the two best teams who compete for the National Championship title here. Lots of people bet on the games, so there's a vested interest in them.

Thanx.That must attract viewers.When does that cancer end?Lol.

[Timester]

Looking at Hex promo, I doubt that next week will be any better...

[myankskent]

Thanx.That must attract viewers.When does that cancer end?Lol.

Not until early April but next Thursday is the last Thursday that it will be on. After that, it gets played on the weekends only, with the exception of the championship game which is on a Monday.

[bizzaroboy9]

i think final number will be 3.39

[monel49]

Lots of people who usually watch television aren't watching right now. Look at the NBC debut of Kings which only managed 6 million viewers. That was big budget, heavily advertised--and it was good! The spring of the year is a tough time. Patience. The folks will be back.

[Twehttam]

It's all about the story, folks. Let's see some stable, continuous development of Clark coupled with good stories and the ratings will be there. You can talk about Lana/Chole/Lois all you want, but this story is about Clark. HE is (or needs to be) the focus. If those of us who spend time posting on a forum about this show and frustrated, imagine the casual fan/viewer who might just decide there are "better" things they could be doing with their time.

Pop in a Season 5 episode and then watch one of the last few from this season. What's really changed with Clark? We had some momentum earlier this year, but it hasn't been sustained. Frustrating indeed.

[costas22]

Hope so Eric.I think that sometimes all of this ratings talk is pointless.We can never know for sure what leads to a rapings drop or rise.

[Supsfan]

Final numbers

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/951102791/p/5

Smallville
- 3.492 million viewers
- 2.2/4 HH
- 1.5/5 A18-49
- 1.6/5 A18-34

[costas22]

3.49?The lowest of the season right?Shame.It deserved better.

[Tompouce]

It's the NCAA basketball and hockey games. Sort of process of elimination that boils it down to the two best teams who compete for the National Championship title here. Lots of people bet on the games, so there's a vested interest in them.
Thanks Michèle and Costas for asking. I thought it was a new serie :o:DSo it is obvious, with such things, no one can fight. And knowing that fact, SV is not doing so bad

[costas22]

Currently most of the shows are dropping in the ratings.But sometimes a drop from 4mil to 3.5 is more noticeable than a drop from 15mil to 14.Let's just get Hex and Eternal out of the way now and hopefully the final 4 will spike up.

[bizzaroboy9]

wow, 3. 50 is way better! i thought it would be the series low but it's not. its been consistent with infamous. Hopefully Hex can go up.
Do you think this is going to make the CW move Smallville and Supernatural to another night?

[Mickey_Bickey]

wow, 3. 50 is way better! i thought it would be the series low but it's not. its been consistent with infamous. Hopefully Hex can go up.
Do you think this is going to make the CW move Smallville and Supernatural to another night?

They used to have it on Wednesday nights, and I remember when it was on the WB they would do the rerun on Sunday nights. It was a treat!!

[bizzaroboy9]

me too!
i missed the old WB days :(
do you think Smallville and Supernatural would do well on Friday or Sunday?

[Kevin24]

It did decent

[Supsfan]

They used to have it on Wednesday nights, and I remember when it was on the WB they would do the rerun on Sunday nights. It was a treat!!

If I am the CW I do reruns of all my shows on Sunday from like 1-8, try get people hooked to there shows then. It might be a good stategy especially with Sports filling up sundays and there target demo being females

[OkiyaShuichi]

Supernatural is going to beat Smallville. I hope Season 9 won't cancel if the ratings still fall. Hex is doing good.

[costas22]

But Supsfan that way many people will be avoiding Smallville on Thursdays since they know they can catch it on Sunday.Unless if you mean that they don't show it on the Sunday after the Thurday that it first airs.

[OkiyaShuichi]

I thought Traveler got the ratings - 3.44 (the lowest)

[Supsfan]

But Supsfan that way many people will be avoiding Smallville on Thursdays since they know they can catch it on Sunday.Unless if you mean that they don't show it on the Sunday after the Thurday that it first airs.

Theory is you hook them on Sundays and hope they start watching during the week, although for advertising purposes you can add Sundays to the revenue stream

[lanaishot565]

Oh my god.
Ever since Miss Lana Lang (Kristin Kreuk) left the show at Requiem, the ratings got stinkier and stinkier...

Clana and Lana fans please come back!!!

Now I know why the producers love Miss Kristin Kreuk (Lana) she kinda draw viewers no matter how stinky her storylines...

Um.....No. Smallville just isnt interesting anymore without Lana ;)

[halvor311]

These ratings are pretty bad compared to earlier in the season, but it's still higher than any other CW show. So that's always good. Some people talk about a season 10 which I would like, but I don't think is realistic.

[lanaishot565]

There wasn't any promotion for Infamous. Again, people started tuning out long before Infamous, and there wasn't even so much as an interview before Infamous. How did anyone know that Lois Lane was coming back or that the storyline would get better?

Not everyone loves lois lane not everyone loves clois. maybe people knew she was coming back and didn't want to see her.

[Mickey_Bickey]

me too!
i missed the old WB days :(
do you think Smallville and Supernatural would do well on Friday or Sunday?

I'm not sure if they would do any better on those nights. Sundays you have the Simpsons and Amazing Race. There's Sunday Night Football in the Fall as well. Fridays seems that the demographic they're targeting wouldn't necessarily be watching TV as much as they would on Thursday nights.

I liked the WB much better!!!

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Not everyone loves lois lane not everyone loves clois. maybe people knew she was coming back and didn't want to see her.

You're right, not everyone loves Lois, but it's doubtful that people "tuned out" because they knew she was coming back. Most of the episodes she was in earlier this season did quite well in the ratings especially Bloodline which heavily featured her character.

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If I am the CW I do reruns of all my shows on Sunday from like 1-8, try get people hooked to there shows then. It might be a good stategy especially with Sports filling up sundays and there target demo being females

That's an outstanding idea!! If they were smart, that's exactly what they'd do!!!

The WB did a terrific job by airing Smallville on Sunday nights!! I caught up on many episodes and enjoyed rewatching a lot of my favorites every Sunday. For any SV fan, it was a real treat being able to watch them twice a week!!

Plus, you're 100% correct when you say that it would draw in new viewers and get them "hooked" for the new episodes!

[bizzaroboy9]

the episode "prototype" from season 6 has the series low rating at 3.41 i think.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Smallville
- 3.492 million viewers
- 2.2/4 HH
- 1.5/5 A18-49
- 1.6/5 A18-34

Thanks for posting the finals. I'm bummed that the ratings dropped again. :( At least we didn't hit another series low.

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the episode "prototype" from season 6 has the series low rating at 3.41 i think.

Close. ;) "Prototype" was the lowest with 3.43 million viewers. :)

[Reeve_290]

Haha so typical :D

Whenever Lana is around and the ratings so much as drop by 0.01 - "Oh Lana is bad for the show - people hate her and don't want her round!" But after the average ratings that Infamous brought in and the even less favorable ones ranked by Turbulence, no one dares even THINK that the viewers just didn't want to see Lois.

I know the real reason was the basketball. But still. Just annoying as all hell that fans of this show walk across broken glass to protect Clois/Episodes no matter how they rate, and would probably leap off tall buildings without a lifeline if it meant trashing a Lana episode.

So sad.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.16mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil.

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil. & Live+7= 4.89 mil.

#12 Bulletproof ~ *3.85 mil. & Live+7= 4.54 mil.

#13 Power ~ *4.21 mil. & Live+7= 4.94 mil.

#14 Requiem ~ *3.93 mil. & Live+7= 4.60 mil.

#15 Infamous ~ *3.57 mil.

#16 Turbulence ~ *3.49mil.

[StevenBlack]

Haha so typical :D

Whenever Lana is around and the ratings so much as drop by 0.01 - "Oh Lana is bad for the show - people hate her and don't want her round!" But after the average ratings that Infamous brought in and the even less favorable ones ranked by Turbulence, no one dares even THINK that the viewers just didn't want to see Lois.

I know the real reason was the basketball. But still. Just annoying as all hell that fans of this show walk across broken glass to protect Clois/Episodes no matter how they rate, and would probably leap off tall buildings without a lifeline if it meant trashing a Lana episode.

So sad.


WOW!!! i cant believe some people... Dont you guys think that maybe smallville was doing REALLY well before the lana arc and that because of it a lot of people gave up on the show after that catastrophic arc hence the ratings since? also is it impossible to think that this episode went down from last just because lois was not in it?? i bet anything that next one will be up from this just cuz of lois...

[Mickey_Bickey]

Haha so typical :D

Whenever Lana is around and the ratings so much as drop by 0.01 - "Oh Lana is bad for the show - people hate her and don't want her round!" But after the average ratings that Infamous brought in and the even less favorable ones ranked by Turbulence, no one dares even THINK that the viewers just didn't want to see Lois.

I know the real reason was the basketball. But still. Just annoying as all hell that fans of this show walk across broken glass to protect Clois/Episodes no matter how they rate, and would probably leap off tall buildings without a lifeline if it meant trashing a Lana episode.

So sad.

Actually, what's sad is that the two worst episodes ever on this series were Power and Requiem, and they came off of a heavily promoted Legion! In fact, the whole Lana arc was promoted by write ups and interviews.

There hasn't been an ounce of promotion for these new episodes! There hasn't been an ounce of promoting that there's a season 9!! Who knew that Lois Lane was coming back other than the people who visited the CW website or watched some other shows on their network?

The reality is that we witnessed Clark's character take a beating in Power and Requiem and all other storylines were nonexistent. Is this the way to engage viewers? Is this the way to get new viewers on board? I think not.

[costas22]

For me personally it was never about Lana.Someone else is writing the character.Therefore someone else is responsible for the mess that was created half way through the season.And you know what the funny part is?Everyone is washing their hands off of it.The showrunners are carrying on as if BUlletproof,Power and Requiem never existed and Kristin in an interview distanced herself from it too.Great.Only in Smallville.

[marcella]

I'm happy it went up in the finals, the episode didn't deserve to be the lowest rating ever

[Mrs. Superman]

Gotcha. But I don't think this is supportable by the evidence. If Lana fans had anything to do with it, the ratings decline would have begun with Infamous.

Instead it began with the quarter million drop after Power with Requiem, which was very Lana centric, and heavy with the Clark/Lana ship. A show Lana fans would have stuck around for.

So I'll repeat, I don't think Lana fans, Lois fans, Chloe fans, or Lex fans are the reason for rating declines. Nor do I think ships are the problem.

It's inconsistent storytelling mixed with increased competition.
Bingo! The steady decline began right after power, and while I enjoyed the last two episodes I wouldn't say they were as good as the ones in the beginning of the season. I haven't had a smallville episode wow me with the story writing since Legion.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Don't shoot me, but I watched Bones, what I watched of last night's Smallville I found the episode very boring.

I guess I truly just don't enjoy the show unless Lois is on

[StevenBlack]

WOW!!! i cant believe some people... Dont you guys think that maybe smallville was doing REALLY well before the lana arc and that because of it a lot of people gave up on the show after that catastrophic arc hence the ratings since? also is it impossible to think that this episode went down from last just because lois was not in it?? i bet anything that next one will be up from this just cuz of lois...

[Alicia Chipy]

Most of my friends watch when Clois is featured.I'm a Super fan-girl who never misses a show even the(blech)Clana centric ones.

[SuperheroFan87]

There is a silver lining to the ratings drop..........maybe now PS3 will give us what we want to see in the show (some dude named Carl......or.....or....CLARK, that's it, factors into this). Let that be a lesson PS3, you hype something *cough* flying *cough* and you don't deliver, we will PERSONALLY see to it that the ratings drop and heighten the chance of the CW dying as a network..........without Smallville and Supernatural you got NOTHING!!!!!!! I kid you not, fandom could easily kill this network through lack of viewership.........do not underestimate us!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Aries83]

The CW keeps whining about Friday and Sunday nights, why not stick Smallville repeats there like they used to do when they were The WB?....Do they have any brains at The CW?!

About the ratings drop: Could someone please post last season's numbers from the same time frame (March)...Maybe if the numbers look slightly similar, maybe people will stop freaking out.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Thanks to bizarroboy9 for these stats:
Season 7 Week to Week *Final Rating

Bizarro............5.18 million*
Kara................4.59 million*
Fierce..............4.82 million*
Cure................5.18 million*
Action..............4.65 million*
Lara................4.38 million*
Wrath..............4.64 million*
Blue.................4.51 million*
Gemini.............3.71 million*
#10 Persona............3.81 million*
Siren.................4.01 million*
Fracture..............3.67 million*
Hero...................3.81 million*
Traveler...............3.44 million* Aired March 20th 2008 ~ (interesting similarity)
Veritas.................3.86 million*
Descent................3.61 million*
Sleeper.................3.62 million*
Apocalypse............3.81 million*
Quest...................4.00 million*
Arctic...................3.85million*

Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil
#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil.
#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil.
#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil.
#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil.
#6 Prey ~ *4.16mil.
#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil.
#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil.
#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil.
#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil.
#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil.
#12 Bulletproof ~ *3.85 mil.
#13 Power ~ *4.21 mil.
#14 Requiem ~ *3.93 mil.
#15 Infamous ~ *3.57 mil.
#16 Turbulence ~ *3.49mil.Aired March 19th 2009

Wow the ratings for the Second half of the Seasons are very similar. Eerie.:)
Persona and Legion started the 2nd halves. Descent was actually the 16th episode, but Traveler and Turbulence aired the same days in March.

[suzieQ]

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/03/20/thursday-ratings-down-to-the-wire/14908

Turbulence ratings:

First Half Hour: CW Smallville 3,116 mil 1.3/4 1.4/5

Second Half: CW Smallville 3,462 mil 1.5/4 1.6/5

More ratings for Turbulence? Where is the 3.49 million come from?


The NCAA Basketball Tournament ruled the 8pm hour, easily besting all competition in the adult demos. Against basketball, Bones was up two ticks in each adult demo from last week. Ugly Betty was near its season average. Smallville was down in both demos from last week.

I think Basketball programing is skewing some of the ratings?

[BOUROUX]

the announcement of two deaths caused the decline in audience.

[SparkleforSmallville]

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/03/20/thursday-ratings-down-to-the-wire/14908

Turbulence ratings:

First Half Hour: CW Smallville 3,116 mil 1.3/4 1.4/5

Second Half: CW Smallville 3,462 mil 1.5/4 1.6/5

More ratings for Turbulence? Where is the 3.49 million come from?



I think Basketball programing is skewing some of the ratings?

Those half hour stats are Live+same day. The 3.49mil is the Final.

Basketball is definitely affecting most shows ratings. That's why it's so insane to have Sweeps during March Madness!:lol:

[suzieQ]

Those half hour stats are Live+same day. The 3.49mil is the Final.

Basketball is definitely affecting most shows ratings. That's why it's so insane to have Sweeps during March Madness!:lol:

Question:.....Marc Bernan didn't post those numbers, someone else did. Where did he get those numbers? Curious?

[Aries83]

[I]Wow the ratings for the Second half of the Seasons are very similar. Eerie.:)


Sparkle and bizarroboy9, thank you for posting that. I thought it would be a good idea if we could see how Season 7 was fairing at this point last year, and if last year's numbers are any indication of what's to come as far as numbers go, maybe next week we'll see the increase. it's interesting how they're similar. I hope it calms some of the speculation about the drop though.

[SparkleforSmallville]

^^ There will always be speculation ;)

suzieQ, Marc Berman usually posts the Overnights then the Finals only.
I think the Live+same day ratings and Live+7 ratings are posted by a different
Site. They are all different ratings for different timetables of the same show.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Some good news next week is that Ugly Betty will be gone and two comedies will take its place. However, American Idol will be on in place of Bones. Last time, Smallville actually did pretty well against AI, so maybe we'll have some good luck and the same will happen next week?

Here are the ranking in total viewership for the CW for the week of Monday, March 9, 2009 - Sunday, March 15, 2009:

1. America's Next Top Model - 4.45 million viewers
2. Smallville - 3.57
3. Supernatural - 2.84
4. Reaper - 2.17
5. The Game - 1.53
6. Everybody Hates Chris - 1.46
7. America's Next Top Model (R) - 1.40
8. Moonstruck (movie) - 1.20
9. One Tree Hill (R) - 1.07
10. Gossip Girl (R) - 1.00
11. 90210 (R) - 0.99
12. 90210 (R; Wednesday) - 0.90
13. Jericho (R) - 0.63

[kitty1]

Some good news next week is that Ugly Betty will be gone and two comedies will take its place. However, American Idol will be on in place of Bones. Last time, Smallville actually did pretty well against AI, so maybe we'll have some good luck and the same will happen next week?

Here are the ranking in total viewership for the CW for the week of Monday, March 9, 2009 - Sunday, March 15, 2009:

1. America's Next Top Model - 4.45 million viewers
2. Smallville - 3.57
3. Supernatural - 2.84
4. Reaper - 2.17
5. The Game - 1.53
6. Everybody Hates Chris - 1.46
7. America's Next Top Model (R) - 1.40
8. Moonstruck (movie) - 1.20
9. One Tree Hill (R) - 1.07
10. Gossip Girl (R) - 1.00
11. 90210 (R) - 0.99
12. 90210 (R; Wednesday) - 0.90
13. Jericho (R) - 0.63


I'm at least glad to see Smallville is still one of the highest rated shows on the CW. Does anyone know if the CW going to give the show more of a budget for season 9 and advertise it more? It seams they spend so much money on shows like Gossip Girl & 90210 on advertising and I wouldn't be surpise they have a better budget yet the two shows don't get near the same ratings of Smallville. Will The CW give Smallville some love next year?

[DGirlLois4Clark]

Clark needs to fly already!!!

[Durancelover]

I'm so pissed about smallville's budget, it make no sense, this is the cw's serie leader and they can't increase it?!. instead of spending money on shows like Gossip girl which don't get the half of smallville's ratings, they should seriously think about how they can bring back viewers

[marcella]

Some good news next week is that Ugly Betty will be gone and two comedies will take its place. However, American Idol will be on in place of Bones. Last time, Smallville actually did pretty well against AI, so maybe we'll have some good luck and the same will happen next week?



That's great news. Power did pretty well against it, so I hope we have good ratings for Hex

[terri7015]

Haha so typical :D

Whenever Lana is around and the ratings so much as drop by 0.01 - "Oh Lana is bad for the show - people hate her and don't want her round!" But after the average ratings that Infamous brought in and the even less favorable ones ranked by Turbulence, no one dares even THINK that the viewers just didn't want to see Lois.

I know the real reason was the basketball. But still. Just annoying as all hell that fans of this show walk across broken glass to protect Clois/Episodes no matter how they rate, and would probably leap off tall buildings without a lifeline if it meant trashing a Lana episode.

So sad.

Sorry, but I completely disagree. But I'm not gonna go more into it, because this thread isn't about ships and I would just get mad. :)

[Mr.Magic]

Whenever Lana is around and the ratings so much as drop by 0.01 - "Oh Lana is bad for the show - people hate her and don't want her round!" But after the average ratings that Infamous brought in and the even less favorable ones ranked by Turbulence, no one dares even THINK that the viewers just didn't want to see Lois.

The ratings have little to do with the featured characters.
If the episode stinks the next week will have fewer viewers, if it's good the next week will have more people watching.
Casual viewers may watch based on the story-description in their tv guide - or not.

[Jade4813]

I'm not even sure why we're saying nobody wanted to watch Clois in Turbulence when Lois wasn't even in the episode and, IIRC, wasn't in the promos either. But anyway.

I think basketball is a problem. Mr.Magic has a point, too; I do think some people go off descriptions in the TV Guide. I don't remember what the description was off the top of my head. I wasn't terribly interested in this episode's description or spoilers. It sounded okay, but it wasn't anything that made me want to rush home and watch. I didn't make it home in time anyway, since class went over.

I think that they're starting to hurt themselves with their promos too - what few promos they do. :lol: All that showing Lois during the Lana arc, when Lois wasn't there. And with the promo for Turbulence (which I never actually caught on the CW so when do they air these things, anyway?), I know a lot of people thought it looked like Clark was going to fly. I KNEW it was going to be another bait and switch and he wasn't going to do it. I don't like being played; there's only so many times they can tell me one thing in a promo only to deliver another before I stop believing the promos. And if I don't believe a promo is going to play out the way it looks, it doesn't matter how interesting the promos are.

Of course, they always cut their promos to try to get people watching. So maybe it's just me, but I do think that the promos should generally REFLECT what the episode will show us. And I'm really sick of the "Clark learns to fly! ... PSYCH!" stuff. So when I saw that, I just wasn't feeling the need to race home to see them mess with the fans again.

[geminis]

Jade, you are absolutely right. And their promo for next week is going to have people just as confused...

[scifigirl]

Jade, I think that people knew they were being messed with when they saw the promo. I think that that is a part of why the ratings were so low.

Ann, I also agree that the promo that aired on Thurs. will not help. I think that it was equally misleading and communicated in spoiler images that will be confusing to people who are not completely spoiled.

[SVFancross]

The TV Guide description was all about Clark and Tess, Chloe/Jimmy/Davis plot wasn't in the promo or written descriptions.

I think it's Spring, TV viewing goes down in the spring if I remember.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I think it's Spring, TV viewing goes down in the spring if I remember.

I think that's a very big reason. Ratings always fall in the spring, and they don't just fall for Smallville. And, like Sparkle posted, "Traveler" had very similar numbers last year, and it aired on the same date.

[smallvillerocks45]

I'm thinking that March Madness is having an effect on SV's ratings, which is understandable. I do hope, however, that the show's ratings do pick up. The show is getting so interesting, I can't imagine missing an episode (...but that's just an opinion, I'm not a Nielsen family member any way :\ )

[alejandrita439]

why the ratings go down in spring? :confused:

[SVFancross]

why the ratings go down in spring?
There was an article a year or two ago which said that in the spring, with DST (which moved to 3 weeks earlier last year) people are just not home as early in the evening or go back outside and enjoy the weather. Baseball starts, soccer season (pt 2), gardening, evening strolls, etc.... TV doesn't even bother with many new shows in the summer very much because by then hardly anyone is watching because they'd rather be out and about. It's the fall (when people go back to work or school) that TV viewership is higher and in the spring it's less as people are ready to go out an play.

Anyway, that's what I recall the point of the article was. Apparently (whatever year it was) there was a big drop in all the numbers for TV (except American Idol which is a phenomenon) and the "spring" was blamed.

[Fly by guy]

With Bones and college basketball, I say 3.3 million

Looks like I was close (3.29). Bones and basketball did well.:)

[Zeburial]

why the ratings go down in spring? :confused:

When it's winter and cold outside, it's many more who is inside and what is there to do inside except watching TV and tapping on the computer? Now when spring has arrived (depends on where you live I guess) people want to go outside and just enjoy the sun and the warm feeling from it (just like SVFancross said). At least that's my guess

[LuckyLois]

How can these boards be so full of fans, and the show get such low ratings? Can't people DVR the game instead?