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Sunny8
03-18-2009, 01:13 AM
If any thing shows me that Clark chose Lois over Lana, this episode did. Clark had the Legion ring. He chose to use it to make sure that he picked Lois up on time from the airport, but he did not use it to reverse what happened to Lana.
Very Good Point - Well Played
Supsfan
03-18-2009, 01:36 AM
I think alot of people(myself included) pointed out how stupid it was to have Clark and Lana end the way it did because there was so many ways to fix it. It only took 1 episode to find an easy out as you mentioned above.
I just chalk it up to bad writing on the shows part
Clark/Lois-fan
03-18-2009, 01:42 AM
If any thing shows me that Clark chose Lois over Lana, this episode did. Clark had the Legion ring. He chose to use it to make sure that he picked Lois up on time from the airport, but he did not use it to reverse what happened to Lana.
Excellent point Sunny8 :D
Dominicus
03-18-2009, 02:30 AM
Yep, I've stated this several times back in Requiem before the episode aired proving to me that he also gave up on Lana and didn't bother to think of a resolution.
-Nora-
03-18-2009, 02:31 AM
Precisely. He didn't even consider it. Yes, KK left the show but storywise that doesn't matter. Clark chose to pick up Lois from the airport in time over going back and fix things with Lana.
Sunny8
03-18-2009, 03:06 AM
I think alot of people(myself included) pointed out how stupid it was to have Clark and Lana end the way it did because there was so many ways to fix it. It only took 1 episode to find an easy out as you mentioned above.
I just chalk it up to bad writing on the shows part
There were several ways to fix it, but TPTB seemed to have not noticed any of them, it appears.
hero`s passion
03-18-2009, 03:49 AM
it`s my thoughts exactly:))))))))))
I don`t know if it means "Lois over Lana" but it certanly means that he had a chance (I mean twice: 1st time when Lana was in SV and almost begging him to try to find a way for them to be together, and the 2d in Infamous- if he turns time back all the way so why he just couldn`t back when Lex made this Kbomb??) and he just didn`t get that chance...I think that Clark understand that Clana won`t work, he said it in Bulletproof to Chloe, he understand it in his mind, but when he see her his heart and his old feelings win over mind...so I guess he is the one who decided to let her go and have a new life without her...IMO
And KK should left the show, I think that she knew that her time in show was over long time ago....
Bizarrolover
03-18-2009, 06:33 AM
If any thing shows me that Clark chose Lois over Lana, this episode did. Clark had the Legion ring. He chose to use it to make sure that he picked Lois up on time from the airport, but he did not use it to reverse what happened to Lana.
I don't think Lana wanted to change things either. Because the right thing to do in that case would have been to revert things to the moment prior she donned the suit and prevent her from doing it. But Lana would never accept that because she wanted to be super powered. Reverting time to the kryptonite bomb moment would have been a momentary solution because Lex was going to continue to try and plant not one, but hundreds of kryptonite bombs until he obtained what he wanted. Lana made a choice and she has to deal with the consequences.
Anyway, I don't think Clark chose one over the other. His thoughtlessness turned his life upside down (and his friend's) and he was trying to fix things. He didn't just do it for Lois.
myankskent
03-18-2009, 06:47 AM
If any thing shows me that Clark chose Lois over Lana, this episode did. Clark had the Legion ring. He chose to use it to make sure that he picked Lois up on time from the airport, but he did not use it to reverse what happened to Lana.
IMO, Clark chose to use the Legion ring to stop Linda Lake from revealing his secret. Clark picking up Lois from the airport was something that he was able to correct as a result of that, but it wasn't the reason why he put the ring on.
Alaska Young
03-18-2009, 09:12 AM
I don't think he chose Lois over Lana because he didn't use the Legion ring to fix what happened to Lana. If KK was still on this show, Clark would've used the ring to fix Lana but because KK is gone...well, you get the point.
And since when does it show that Clark has chosen Lois? He isn't choosing Lois over Lana. He stopped the almost kiss from happening in Bride because Lana came back and he barely mentioned Lois the entire time Lana was back in his life. He turned Lois down for coffee and the entire episode showed a semi-close friendship between the two the entire time.
Jor-Fer
03-18-2009, 09:26 AM
Come on...Does someone really think that the use that clark gave to the ring had anything to do with Lois?He went back on time to stop Linda Lake.Choosing Lois over Lana?If Kristin was contracted that ring would have been used one month ago.
-Nora-
03-18-2009, 09:32 AM
If Kristin was contracted that ring would have been used one month ago.
Except it means squat storywise, because Clark - the fictional character - does not sit down and sulk over the fact that Kristin Kreuk isn't available. He could have used the ring to fix things with Lana. He didn't.
Sunny8
03-18-2009, 09:44 AM
IMO, Clark chose to use the Legion ring to stop Linda Lake from revealing his secret. Clark picking up Lois from the airport was something that he was able to correct as a result of that, but it wasn't the reason why he put the ring on.
Yes, but it was one of the reasons which I think was less important than reversing Lana's problem. But obviously he did not think so. He did not even have to think about picking Lois up at the airport but it must have been something he was really concerned about.
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I don't think he chose Lois over Lana because he didn't use the Legion ring to fix what happened to Lana. If KK was still on this show, Clark would've used the ring to fix Lana but because KK is gone...well, you get the point.
Lex has not been on the show yet they dealt with his character. KK not being on the show had nothing to do with it.
And since when does it show that Clark has chosen Lois? He isn't choosing Lois over Lana. He stopped the almost kiss from happening in Bride because Lana came back and he barely mentioned Lois the entire time Lana was back in his life. He turned Lois down for coffee and the entire episode showed a semi-close friendship between the two the entire time.
He is choosing her by not helping Lana. The moment he decided not to use the ring to help Lana showed that he had moved on.
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Come on...Does someone really think that the use that clark gave to the ring had anything to do with Lois?He went back on time to stop Linda Lake.Choosing Lois over Lana?If Kristin was contracted that ring would have been used one month ago.
See above answer.
It was because what happend to Lana was a big thing. And if clark chose to make things right, then he would have change life as we know it a lot. And I think that Clark is scared to do such a big change, the last time he did something like that, it ended up with his father's death.
Dominicus
03-18-2009, 10:24 AM
IMO, Clark chose to use the Legion ring to stop Linda Lake from revealing his secret. Clark picking up Lois from the airport was something that he was able to correct as a result of that, but it wasn't the reason why he put the ring on.It's the discovery of using the ring shows he didn't care, or bother to correct the kryptonite-suit issue, or prevent the death of Lex.
Legion ring was still in fresh memory at the time, but his mind completely blocked the Legion ring possibility because he wasn't looking for a real solution, it took him a second to focus, and think of the Legion ring solution when the infamous predicament arose. I think Martha said it best, deep down Clark knows Lana isn't the one, he never fought for her and the same goes for Lana. They gave up on each other.
And when he used the ring he did not go back to the time before K-Suit incident, further confirming his lack of interest to salvage that relationship of hurt and pain.
skugers
03-18-2009, 10:40 AM
I think it's pretty clear that he didn't use the ring to reverse Lana's situation because deep down inside he knew he shouldn't do it and that they aren't meant to be together. And I'm ok with that, because I ship Clois. On the other hand, I can't just ignore the hole picture, 'Requiem' included.
Unfortunately, this situation doesn't do anything less than to emphasize CK's character flaws (the bad writing...). I mean, one episode before he was willing to give up everything and die of kryptonite for a kiss and the next one he decides Lana's departure was for the best.
Too much inconsistency, IMO.
I actually would've liked to see Clark choose Lois over Lana by rejecting 'SuperLana', not by accepting their break up as a unfortunate circumstances' outcome.
Clana Kent
03-18-2009, 10:44 AM
I hate to burn this perfect little dream for ya, but the ONLY reason Clark reversed time was to stop Linda Lake from revealing his identity.
Picking up Lois in time wasn't his top priority..
Mickey_Bickey
03-18-2009, 10:47 AM
It's the discovery of using the ring shows he didn't care, or bother to correct the kryptonite-suit issue, or prevent the death of Lex.
Legion ring was still in fresh memory at the time, but his mind completely blocked the Legion ring possibility because he wasn't looking for a real solution, it took him a second to focus, and think of the Legion ring solution when the infamous predicament arose. I think Martha said it best, deep down Clark knows Lana isn't the one, he never fought for her and the same goes for Lana. They gave up on each other.
And when he used the ring he did not go back to the time before K-Suit incident, further confirming his lack of interest to salvage that relationship of hurt and pain.
I agree. He could have used that ring to go back and prevent Lana from becoming infected with kryptonite in the first place or even having her get "powers from a suit" so he could be with her. He didn't choose that though. He only chose to go back 2 days. That was it, and he didn't even mention Lana. Chloe brought her up, but he didn't even show any emotion, something people were pointing out left and right in Bulletproof when Lois' name was mentioned. At least he said, "Lois, she's so......."!:lol:
Clark's moved on, and in Power he clearly had doubts about him and Lana. He's always had doubts. How many times has he broken up with her for crying out loud on this show? It's never worked out, because it was never supposed to work out. There's someone better for Clark, and her name is none other than Lois Lane!;):D
Sunny8
03-18-2009, 10:48 AM
Too much inconsistency, IMO.
That is really the whole point I think. It is not about Lana, Clark or Lois, but the inconsistent and bad writing. In Requiem TPTB make out that the only reason Clark cannot be with Lana (and the only reason he chooses Lois) is because of Lana's kryptonite infestation. Yet, ONE episode after Lana leaves he is using the Legion ring to turn back time. Not just for Lois, but because he is in trouble also. Still, I say if he loved Lana all that much he would have used the ring to reverse what happened to her. TPTB only showed me in this one episode that Clark and Lana really thought they were not meant for each other. That star-crossed thing means absolutely nothing.
Mickey_Bickey
03-18-2009, 10:50 AM
I hate to burn this perfect little dream for ya, but the ONLY reason Clark reversed time was to stop Linda Lake from revealing his identity.
Picking up Lois in time wasn't his top priority..
He went back to reverse the interview and protect not only his identity but Lois from being associated with him. He grabbed her and rescued her before he reversed time. If you remember, he ended a conversation with Chloe where he could have just went straight to the barn. He went to the DP instead.
The icing on the cake was that he didn't leave Lois in a 3 hour downpour!;) He made sure he was there on time the second time around, a very deliberate action.
InAFlash
03-18-2009, 10:51 AM
So what gives Clark Kent the right to travel back in time and change whatever he likes? IMO it was irresponsible for him to mess with the timeline at all. However, given the circumstances that he helped create by revealing his secret (a huge mistake IMO) the world was in a state of fear because of Linda Lake's story that Clark was the start of an alien invasion. Therefore I can understand his decision to go back to the point he did because it was not only helping himself and his friends but the world as a whole.
So why not go back to before Lana put on the suit? IMO because he has no right to change Lana Lang's destiny whatever that may be. Lana chose to put that suit on because she wanted to help save the world. Stopping Lana from putting on that suit would not only alter her destiny but also the lives of those she may save in the future. Doing this IMO would be a selfish choice on his part. Whether or not Lana puts on that suit is NOT Clark's decision to make.
Why not go back to just before she absorbed the kryptonite? This is of course the more difficult point to make but I still don't believe he has the right to do this. Absorbing the kryptonite has not given Lana some sort of a disease. She's perfectly healthy and does not require saving. She just can't go near Clark. She's still able to help others and can still fulfill her destiny. Clark already knows that going back in time has consequences. He certainly should be of the mindset that doing such a thing may not work the way he wants it to and could possibly alter events making them even worse. Once again it would be a selfish act on his part and doing so may prevent Lana from fulfilling her destiny.
Once again I don't feel Clark should have been able to go back in time at all. He should have known not to make the mistake of revealing his secret in the first place. But in this situation he did'nt have many options. I think the risk he took was warranted because the world was in a state of fear and chaos and his friends were in trouble. In this case his choice to do this was not a selfish one. In the case of going back to change Lana's destiny it would IMO be a selfish one.
myankskent
03-18-2009, 10:55 AM
Legion ring was still in fresh memory at the time, but his mind completely blocked the Legion ring possibility because he wasn't looking for a real solution, it took him a second to focus, and think of the Legion ring solution when the infamous predicament arose. I think Martha said it best, deep down Clark knows Lana isn't the one, he never fought for her and the same goes for Lana. They gave up on each other.
YMMV, but I need to hear Clark say this specifically. Everything on this show points to Clark never giving up on Lana, even when she was about to marry Lex and was believed to be pregnant with his child. Unfortunately in this scenario, I think that Clark didn't think to use the ring because TPTB were out of episodes for KK.
Mickey_Bickey
03-18-2009, 11:00 AM
YMMV, but I need to hear Clark say this specifically. Everything on this show points to Clark never giving up on Lana, even when she was about to marry Lex and was believed to be pregnant with his child. Unfortunately in this scenario, I think that Clark didn't think to use the ring because TPTB were out of episodes for KK.
I think he'll eventually verbalize it, but they're not going to have him do it right away. It's only after he's fallen in love with Lois and realizes what real love is and how good a relationship can really be. Let's face it, he doesn't have much to compare, so he doesn't know better right now.
Sunny8
03-18-2009, 11:04 AM
Why not go back to just before she absorbed the kryptonite? This is of course the more difficult point to make but I still don't believe he has the right to do this. Absorbing the kryptonite has not given Lana some sort of a disease. She's perfectly healthy and does not require saving. She just can't go near Clark. She's still able to help others and can still fulfill her destiny. Clark already knows that going back in time has consequences. He certainly should be of the mindset that doing such a thing may not work the way he wants it to and could possibly alter events making them even worse. Once again it would be a selfish act on his part and doing so may prevent Lana from fulfilling her destiny.
This would not be a selfish reason on Clark's part. Lana wanted a solution also. She went to Dr. Grohl, remember? She said he could not reverse the effects of the kryptonite. Lana might have thought that was all they could do, but Clark had other resources: the ring, Jor-el, blue kryponite...to name a few. And he used the ring in this episode proving that the ring was a good solution. She could have kept her power suit. She just wanted the kryptonite to be removed. Clark had the power to do that but he did not use it.
Mickey_Bickey
03-18-2009, 11:10 AM
This would not be a selfish reason on Clark's part. Lana wanted a solution also. She went to Dr. Grohl, remember? She said he could not reverse the effects of the kryptonite. Lana might have thought that was all they could do, but Clark had other resources: the ring, Jor-el, blue kryponite...to name a few. And he used the ring in this episode proving that the ring was a good solution. She could have kept her power suit. She just wanted the kryptonite to be removed. Clark had the power to do that but he did not use it.
You're absolutely correct! There were two people wanting to reverse the kryptonite absorption in Requiem!
Either way, he didn't do it, just like others say he didn't mention Lois in Power or Requiem. It is what it is. Clark has moved on from Lana and is now falling for Lois.
Just his comment to Chloe alone, "for a minute I thought I could have it all". He was not just referring to everyone accepting his identity, but he was also referring to a relationship with Lois Lane! Chloe even said, "the cherry on top is that you get to tell Lois and know her reaction". It's all clear!! He has strong feelings for Lois, something I've never doubted even after the Lana arc.
Let's not forget that all turns out well for all parties, and Lana becomes Lois' bridesmaid at Clois' wedding someday!!
Supsfan
03-18-2009, 11:27 AM
I hate to burn this perfect little dream for ya, but the ONLY reason Clark reversed time was to stop Linda Lake from revealing his identity.
Picking up Lois in time wasn't his top priority..
Problem is, if he is going to reverse time anyways, why not go back a few weeks to just before Lana put on her suit. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
Sunny8
03-18-2009, 11:35 AM
Either way, he didn't do it, just like others say he didn't mention Lois in Power or Requiem.
Clark left Lois three 10 sec voicemails, which is saying a lot for him. After the tornado in season 1, in season 2, Clark did not communicate with Lana or Chloe during the time that they were a part. He was supposed to be in love with Lana. Couldn't he have even written her an e-mail? He said that he was busy on the farm, but he could have talked with her as she only lived a mile away. And Chloe also mentioned that he did not even write an e-mail to her. For him to even have any communication with Lois during the time that Lana was in SV shows something. He did not have to communicate with her at all, but he did.
myankskent
03-18-2009, 11:44 AM
Clark had the power to do that but he did not use it.
Clark had the power to do a lot of things. He had the power to go back and save his father. He had the power to go back and make sure that Lex never found out his secret. He had the power to go back and prevent Chloe from ever being taken over by Brainiac along with Lana. He had the power to go back and prevent the people at Chloe's wedding from being hurt and to also track down Doomsday and destroy him. He had the power to go back and make sure that the fortress didn't go dark. I can go on and on. The fact is that TPTB only had Clark remember the ring in "Infamous" because it served that particular plot and they also had him conveniently destroy the ring so that whatever happens in the future cannot be erased.
jlbtjb316
03-18-2009, 11:47 AM
I think that Clark cares about Lois, but I don't think this episode showed that Clark chose Lois over Lana as that would also mean that he chose Lois over every other person that has been hurt or killed as a result of his past decisions or indecisions (including his dad). The farther he goes back in time the worse the unintended consequences could be. I try not to read too much into episodes like this. To me, the writers simply wanted to have a "what if" type of story where we can see what everyone's reaction would be to Clark revealing his secret and then undo it all in the end using the time reversal plot device to take him back where he started at the beginning of the episode. I don't think there was any deeper meaning with him going back to that point in time.
LovelyLoisLane
03-18-2009, 11:53 AM
He barely mentioned Lois the entire time Lana was back in his life.
And he didn't mention Lana at all as soon as Lois was back in his life.
So I'd say that both women are on equal terms in that regard.
But I agree that he went back in time for a far broader good than just to pick Lois up from the airport on time. That was just a perk.
I think more what would show that Clark has moved on from Lana is what happens with Lois here on out. He didn't jump into a rebound relationship with Lois and is in fact being very cautious about it, but cares enough to make sure he was there to pick her on up time the second time around and to not take the easy out Lois offered him. He could have ended things right there in its tracks as soon as Lois said they could let bygones be bygones, he could have said that he was still too raw from what happened with Lana, but he said neither of those things. Instead he said it was complicated. If Clark wasn't interested he would have told her so, I know some fans think differently, but he isn't that much of a jerk that he'd lead Lois on like that. In the past when he wasn't interested in other girls he told them so. Then he didn't send her a text to say he didn't think they should hang out together, he sent a text to give an excuse as to why he couldn't make it while he stood across the street and watched her sadly. He was interested all right, but unlike the way he jumped into a relationship with Lana and it went down the drain yet again, he is being cautious with Lois because he doesn't want her to get hurt in the long term and I think he doesn't want to get hurt again either.
I just hope that those long lingering looks I expect will now be coming don't stretch out for too long and that he gets up the nerve to at least talk to Lois, but for now I understand his apprehension. I don't know if it is choosing Lois over Lana anymore than it was choosing Lana over Lois. Both women are obviously important to Clark and his affections shouldn't be some kind of contest anyway, but it is showing that Clark is capable of moving on from Lana without jumping into a rebound relationship, and that he respects Lois enough and himself to not do that.
I could be wrong and in the next episode Clark could profess how he isn't over Lana, but from "Infamous" I didn't see any sign that he was pining over Lana. When Chloe mentioned what happened with Lana Clark just brushed it off to go on talking about how the RBB gave people hope. I'll have to go back and really look for a facial reaction from Clark at the mention of Lana's name, but there was certainly no verbal reaction.
I'd prefer to see something more than that to prove that Clark is ready to move on with his life, but I think that might be all we'll get. However if they continue to show him focusing on his life as a superhero and show him admiring Lois without having him mention Lana at all, and that becomes the constant from here on out then I'd say that Clark got over Lana.
supes0
03-18-2009, 11:57 AM
Clark had the power to do a lot of things. .
It was poor storytelling and a plot hole.
Lana was only gone for about 2 weeks, so the trauma should be fresh in his mind. So if he is going back a couple days before the interview, why not 14 days?
He couldn't because the character has left the show. So fictionally it just leaves a gaping hole only because it happened very recently and supposedly he should be traumatized. Only, he's not.
Again, poor storytelling. He's not traumatized because the actress who plays Lana is gone and the character Clark Kent has to go forward and fall in love with his foreshadowed soulmate.
That said, I don't think this means Clark choses Lois over anybody yet. Season 9 will most likely be where he realizes she is "the one", and we'll see how (or if) they address Lana.
I think the only choice we can get from this is since he decided to go back and make a different decision, he went back early enough to give himself time to do whatever he needed to do to pick up Lois on time.
Why he didn't go back an extra week or two to stop the Kryptonite poisoning is probably never going to be addressed because it's a messy plot hole.
Sunny8
03-18-2009, 11:59 AM
The fact is that TPTB only had Clark remember the ring in "Infamous" because it served that particular plot and they also had him conveniently destroy the ring so that whatever happens in the future cannot be erased.
So what you are really saying, and so am I, is that TPTB did not do a good job with consistency, continuity and overall writing? They did not think this out. They either think the audience is not worthy of good writing or they have just given up trying at all to tell a good story. From Power to Infamous, this did not have to happen this way.
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I think that Clark cares about Lois, but I don't think this episode showed that Clark chose Lois over Lana as that would also mean that he chose Lois over every other person that has been hurt or killed as a result of his past decisions or indecisions (including his dad).
You are right. He did.
The farther he goes back in time the worse the unintended consequences could be. I try not to read too much into episodes like this. To me, the writers simply wanted to have a "what if" type of story where we can see what everyone's reaction would be to Clark revealing his secret and then undo it all in the end using the time reversal plot device to take him back where he started at the beginning of the episode. I don't think there was any deeper meaning with him going back to that point in time.
As I said already, the writer's did not think this out. LAZY.
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He was interested all right, but unlike the way he jumped into a relationship with Lana and it went down the drain yet again, he is being cautious with Lois because he doesn't want her to get hurt in the long term and I think he doesn't want to get hurt again either...
Both women are obviously important to Clark and his affections shouldn't be some kind of contest anyway, but it is showing that Clark is capable of moving on from Lana without jumping into a rebound relationship, and that he respects Lois enough and himself to not do that...
I agree. I think that after losing one woman Clark could not stand to lose another he cared for so he is being very cautious.
myankskent
03-18-2009, 12:13 PM
So what you are really saying, and so am I, is that TPTB did not do a good job with consistency, continuity and overall writing? They did not think this out. They either think the audience is not worthy of good writing or they have just given up trying at all to tell a good story. From Power to Infamous, this did not have to happen this way.
I think that TPTB have definitely given up trying to tell a good story. They are, instead, more concerned with making a particular episode look more dramatic and entertaining but as far as the big picture is concerned? This show is one, big mess. The point that I was making above is that if Clark not wanting to put on the ring means that he doesn't really want to try to be with Lana, then to be fair, I would have to also assume that Clark doesn't give a damn about saving the people who have died or were seriously injured either. I'd prefer to not think that way about Clark Kent, despite the fact that I have so many issues with his character right now.
As far as Lois not being mentioned by Clark in the episodes that she is not in vs. Lana not being mentioned by Clark in the episodes that she is not in? It all boils down to one thing for me...when Lana is around and available, she's number one as far as Clark is concerned, which I can't really say about any other character on this show in Clark's life. So if it takes her being gone to not be number one anymore, that's great and all, but it doesn't give me the impression that Clark wouldn't choose Lana if she were around, IMO.
InAFlash
03-18-2009, 12:13 PM
This would not be a selfish reason on Clark's part. Lana wanted a solution also. She went to Dr. Grohl, remember? She said he could not reverse the effects of the kryptonite. Lana might have thought that was all they could do, but Clark had other resources: the ring, Jor-el, blue kryponite...to name a few. And he used the ring in this episode proving that the ring was a good solution. She could have kept her power suit. She just wanted the kryptonite to be removed. Clark had the power to do that but he did not use it.
Those are good points. But I still feel it would be selfish just due to the fact that Clark does'nt know exactly what would happen if he used the ring in this situation. He knows there are always consequences when changing past events. For example, the bomb could have gone off in the new timeline. I believe he's aware of these possibilities because of what happened in "Reckoning". I would also like to say that I don't believe Clark is selfish, that's why he wanted Lana to absorb the kryptonite in the first place. Therefore I don't believe Clark would want to change this event knowing that he could alter it and make it even worse.
Now you could argue that Clark could use the ring over and over again until he gets it right. But I think when Clark destroyed the ring he was showing us how dangerous he believes that ring could be. Not only in the sense that it could fall into the wrong hands but also that the temptation of being able to alter the past to his liking was too great to have. I think when he used it in "Infamous" he was doing so as a last resort.
You do make a good point about Lana wanting a solution as well. It would have made sense for him to have at least mentioned to her the possibility of being able to change things. He could have done this in "Requiem" in the loft scene and of course he did'nt do this. Maybe she would have chosen to have him go back before she put the suit on in the first place.
This is an interesting thread. Good points on both sides of this issue.
LovelyLoisLane
03-18-2009, 12:20 PM
Why he didn't go back an extra week or two to stop the Kryptonite poisoning is probably never going to be addressed because it's a messy plot hole.
I actually really really really really loved 'Infamous'
However I do have to admit that they didn't do much of a mention for Lana. It was kind of like this episode happened right after "Legion" or maybe “Bulletproof“ minus the kiss, as if "Power" and "Requiem" never happened, because the way Clark was with Lois in this episode was as if he'd never gotten back into a relationship with Lana.
But I'm taking that as maybe Clark has finally decided enough is enough and he's ready to move on in his life. I'd like to see him verbalize that in some way though, but then like I said, the way his feelings for Lois continue to develop can also tell us if he's over Lana or not.
Like if at the end of S8 or into S9 Clark says something like 'The way I feel about Lois . . . I've never felt like this with anyone before." Then that sort of accomplishes the same thing as a verbal remark that he is over Lana.
Also something that I was thinking about . . .
Has Clark ever said he was 'in' love with Lana? I'm not disputing that he thought he was in love with her, but he has ever said so? I think he has just said he loves her. I also don't recall him ever saying he thought Lana was his soul-mate, or him ever calling Lana the love of his life. I remember other characters referring to Lana as the love of Clark's life (Chloe precisely) but not Clark himself.
Maybe I'm wrong on that, and anyone that does remember can correct me. I just remember other characters addressing the way Clark felt about Lana more than he addressed it himself. The closest I recall him coming to calling Lana the love of his life, was when he said he couldn’t imagine himself loving anyone other than Lana or of course in S5 where he told Lana that 'it's always been you' but of course that was up to that point, it doesn't affect relationships after that moment. Though it is a small thing, at the end of “Requiem” Lana said she’d always love Clark, but Clark omitted the ‘always’ from his “I love you.” I do think she’ll always be important to him however. I just don’t think he'll always be in love with her or be incapable of having a life without her. “Infamous” showcased that pretty well, he was trying to move on in his life in a big way, of course it blew up in his face but at least he’ll be smarter about it the next time.
Though he didn't go back in time to pick Lois up, it is something that he was consciously concerned about because he made sure he was there on time the second turn on the dial. So though not a blatant acknowledgement that Lois is very special, it is a hint in that general direction.
Kevin24
03-18-2009, 12:24 PM
I think that TPTB have definitely given up trying to tell a good story. They are, instead, more concerned with making a particular episode look more dramatic and entertaining but as far as the big picture is concerned? This show is one, big mess. The point that I was making above is that if Clark not wanting to put on the ring means that he doesn't really want to try to be with Lana, then to be fair, I would have to also assume that Clark doesn't give a damn about saving the people who have died or were seriously injured either. I'd prefer to not think that way about Clark Kent, despite the fact that I have so many issues with his character right now.
As far as Lois not being mentioned by Clark in the episodes that she is not in vs. Lana not being mentioned by Clark in the episodes that she is not in? It all boils down to one thing for me...when Lana is around and available, she's number one as far as Clark is concerned, which I can't really say about any other character on this show in Clark's life. So if it takes her being gone to not be number one anymore, that's great and all, but it doesn't give me the impression that Clark wouldn't choose Lana if she were around, IMO.
What the original poster said isn't a fact. It is just an opinion he stated and some people tend to agree with that opinion. Was it the writers intention for it to be seen that way? I have no idea.
It's all subjective, people see things differently and that is evident in this thread. A few see it as bad writing and others see it as Clark choosing Lois over Lana. Who is right? there is plenty of evidence for both arguments.
We will never know if Kristen would have stayed that Lana would still be number one in Clark's book. Once again, there is plenty of evidence for both to argue that point.
I can see why Clark might be over Lana by now though and that's because she just up and left him hanging. What the hell is up with that? That is a slap in the face and if I was Clark I'd close the door on her for leaving me like that. As much as I liked the scene it was a slap in the face to Clark to have the woman that he loves just up and walk out on him like that.
That is how I see the last scene in Requiem but others might see it differently.
Sunny8
03-18-2009, 12:38 PM
I actually really really really really loved 'Infamous'
I did not dislike Infamous, LovelyLoisLane. I just don't think we should still have so much confusion as to what direction Clark is going in and why. It should be clearer with each episode, but it is not. I used to love the show Alias and I was so disappointed that they moved forward so fast in that series. Yet in this series we have the same situations but with different people and questions still unanswered many times by the end of each episode. Each episode leaves it to the viewers imagination and interpretation. I am getting tired of that. I don't watch TV to think:rotfl:.
Supsfan
03-18-2009, 12:38 PM
Was it the writers intention for it to be seen that way?
It probably writers intention to leave it open for interpretation. It happens to often on this show that there is scenes that can be interpreted many ways depending on the viewer, I don't think it's a coincidience
A few see it as bad writing
I am on the side of calling a spade a spade. Leaving stuff open for intrepretation over and over again just comes accross as bad writing. By doing that, they have so many plotholes in the show it comes accross as sloppy writing.
Kevin24
03-18-2009, 12:47 PM
It probably writers intention to leave it open for interpretation. It happens to often on this show that there is scenes that can be interpreted many ways depending on the viewer, I don't think it's a coincidience
I am on the side of calling a spade a spade. Leaving stuff open for intrepretation over and over again just comes accross as bad writing. By doing that, they have so many plotholes in the show it comes accross as sloppy writing.
Yup, you have a point but then again I never thought that scene was open for interpretation. I thought it was straightforward and the reason he went back was to stop Linda Lake and not to show that Lana is over and done with.
Though this topic shows what I know! and that is very little...:rotfl:
supes0
03-18-2009, 12:47 PM
However I do have to admit that they didn't do much of a mention for Lana. It was kind of like this episode happened right after "Legion" or maybe “Bulletproof“ minus the kiss, as if "Power" and "Requiem" never happened, because the way Clark was with Lois in this episode was as if he'd never gotten back into a relationship with Lana.
I know, it's like nothing after the beginning of Power happened.
Even Chloe and her Lana mention was very vague. No "so, have you looked in to the fortress as a solution? How about searching for some blue kryptonite, can I help?" conversation which gives us any indication Clark hasn't given up in the couple weeks Lana has gone.
They derailed the story they were telling the first 12 episodes (after Bulletproof) to give us the P/R interlude. The problem was, it doesn't fit in to where they need to take the story.
So now, the writers are in damage control mode. They can't focus on Lana because the actress is gone,so the character no longer fits in the direction of the show.
In order to deal with all the dangling plot points, Infamous (which I sort of liked, but wasn't wowed by) threw in clunky moments to get them over the hump.
Examples:
They tell us Lois has been gone for 1 month, so Lana has been gone for a couple weeks before Lois returns. Clark by all rights should be grieving. He's not. It doesn't fit the direction of the show.
Clark should have been an adult and crossed the street and told Lois "I'm not ready", but he can't because tptb need Lois to have no hope in order to begin the rbb triangle
If Clark was going a couple days in the past to stop Linda Lake, why not a few extra days more to solve the Kryptonite problem (including the bomb stuff)?
What did he mean when he said to Chloe that after he told Lois for a minute he felt he could have it all?
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It's as if the writers have a top level map detailing what they want/need to do, but haven't zoomed in and carefully detailed how they're going to get from A to Z believably.
I'd like to see him verbalize that in some way though, but then like I said, the way his feelings for Lois continue to develop can also tell us if he's over Lana or not.
Me too.
Like if at the end of S8 or into S9 Clark says something like 'The way I feel about Lois . . . I've never felt like this with anyone before." Then that sort of accomplishes the same thing as a verbal remark that he is over Lana.
I agree.
I also don't recall him ever saying he thought Lana was his soul-mate, or him ever calling Lana the love of his life. I remember other characters referring to Lana as the love of Clark's life (Chloe precisely) but not Clark himself.
I don't *think* he's said she is soulmate, I think most times he's said things like "I can't imagine loving anybody else" or "I can't imagine she isn't the one" etc..
And usually after he said it, it was clunky anvil time, and Lois would wander aimlessly through the set.
Clark omitted the ‘always’ from his “I love you.”
Good point.
I do think she’ll always be important to him however.
Ditto.
So though not a blatant acknowledgement that Lois is very special, it is a hint in that general direction.
Agreed. That is the only conscious decision we can come out of Infamous with, once he decided to reverse the events, he chose to go back far enough so he could pick up Lois on time.
Mickey_Bickey
03-18-2009, 12:47 PM
Clark left Lois three 10 sec voicemails, which is saying a lot for him. After the tornado in season 1, in season 2, Clark did not communicate with Lana or Chloe during the time that they were a part. He was supposed to be in love with Lana. Couldn't he have even written her an e-mail? He said that he was busy on the farm, but he could have talked with her as she only lived a mile away. And Chloe also mentioned that he did not even write an e-mail to her. For him to even have any communication with Lois during the time that Lana was in SV shows something. He did not have to communicate with her at all, but he did.
Very true! At least we know that he called her 3 times while she was away, which is something they didn't show during the Lana arc. So, she wasn't that far away from his thoughts as others would like to believe!
LovelyLoisLane
03-18-2009, 01:34 PM
I just don't think we should still have so much confusion as to what direction Clark is going in and why. Each episode leaves it to the viewers imagination and interpretation.
I'm not actually all that confused. I had a pretty good idea of what was going on in "Infamous" at least in the majority of the scenes. That and I was pretty psyched that Clark was back to being the Clark he was before 'Power'.
As far as interpretation, a little interpretation is a good thing. I don't want to watch a show where everything is blatant all the time and usually SV is pretty heavy handed with the anvils, where maybe subtlety would work better. Would that make us fans on the boards imagine things more? Probably but I think it'd be better story telling too. I do agree that there should be enough definition that not everything is left up to interpretation, but I also have to say that if you've been around this board long enough I'm sure you've seen that even 'definitive' things have a way of being debated to decide if there was any 'hidden meaning' there. Telling a cohesive story though is key.
Which is one of the things I liked so much about Infamous, it was actual development instead of anvils beings used to tell the story and at the end of it Clark had learned a few very important things that I can see will directly influence the following episodes. Which I really appreciated. Now if they don't go into future episodes? Well my opinion will change, but for now I'm as pleased as punch.
There were a few 'huh?' moments of course, like Clark not waiting a few more second to hear Lois out, but then the writers should have had Lois say something as Clark already had the ring on and 'blam' oops. Instead of before he put the ring on, because it is obvious they can't have Clark knowing that Davis is Doomsday yet.
So I'm not saying "Infamous" was flawless, but I'm pretty picky and I really loved it. It did sort of act like P/R didn't happen though. They even omitted any bits from that episode combo in ’previously on SV’ that ran before the episode. A few times it was pretty obvious too, where they ran scenes that had Lana in them but then only showed the shots without her. I can even understand that from the writers point of view. I'm pretty sure that their silence (lack of recent interviews and such) speaks for this as well, but I think that they know they made a big faux pas with P/R and are trying to erase it from our minds. Now I don't work quite like that, but I do have to say that there were a few moments that I did forget about P/R. They came back to me later, but there were a few moments. Maybe when they feel like they've distanced themselves from those two episodes they will put in a mention of how Clark was dealing with that. One can only hope so, but I can't say I'm upset that he wasn't pining over Lana in "Infamous" but it would be nice to get a bit of a mention.
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Clark left Lois three 10 sec voicemails, which is saying a lot for him.
I don't know why, but that makes me laugh!:lol:
Wonder what he said.
I thought those were voicemails he sent close to when Lois was supposed to be coming back though, not spanning the time he was with Lana. Not that I'd have a problem with that, but I thought they were more recent voicemails, but then maybe I missed something. It's possible.
Dominicus
03-18-2009, 03:21 PM
I hate to burn this perfect little dream for ya, but the ONLY reason Clark reversed time was to stop Linda Lake from revealing his identity.
Picking up Lois in time wasn't his top priority..:rotfl:Ah, yeah he did, 3 hrs of saving people is what he did previously which is why he didn't pick her. I don't care what anyone denies, he made that a priority, hate to break it you.
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Problem is, if he is going to reverse time anyways, why not go back a few weeks to just before Lana put on her suit. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone.Exactly, showing where his priorities lie
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I agree. He could have used that ring to go back and prevent Lana from becoming infected with kryptonite in the first place or even having her get "powers from a suit" so he could be with her. He didn't choose that though. He only chose to go back 2 days. That was it, and he didn't even mention Lana. Chloe brought her up, but he didn't even show any emotion, something people were pointing out left and right in Bulletproof when Lois' name was mentioned. At least he said, "Lois, she's so......."!:lol:
Clark's moved on, and in Power he clearly had doubts about him and Lana. He's always had doubts. How many times has he broken up with her for crying out loud on this show? It's never worked out, because it was never supposed to work out. There's someone better for Clark, and her name is none other than Lois Lane!;):DExactamondo!:D;)
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He went back to reverse the interview and protect not only his identity but Lois from being associated with him. He grabbed her and rescued her before he reversed time. If you remember, he ended a conversation with Chloe where he could have just went straight to the barn. He went to the DP instead.
The icing on the cake was that he didn't leave Lois in a 3 hour downpour!;) He made sure he was there on time the second time around, a very deliberate action. Not mention when Lois talk about Chloe being in danger, he immediately put the ring on and didn't do a Lois Lane hands on rescue like that.:lol:
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YMMV, but I need to hear Clark say this specifically. Everything on this show points to Clark never giving up on Lana, even when she was about to marry Lex and was believed to be pregnant with his child. Unfortunately in this scenario, I think that Clark didn't think to use the ring because TPTB were out of episodes for KK.Actions speak louder then words, and he's starting to verbalize his feelings, I say give it time. But so far I see him moving on at this point.
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Clark had the power to do a lot of things. He had the power to go back and save his father. He had the power to go back and make sure that Lex never found out his secret. He had the power to go back and prevent Chloe from ever being taken over by Brainiac along with Lana. He had the power to go back and prevent the people at Chloe's wedding from being hurt and to also track down Doomsday and destroy him. He had the power to go back and make sure that the fortress didn't go dark. I can go on and on. The fact is that TPTB only had Clark remember the ring in "Infamous" because it served that particular plot and they also had him conveniently destroy the ring so that whatever happens in the future cannot be erased.
After Reckoning he learned not to alter death, in that case someone did have to lose their life in exchange for Clark's, that is not something that can really be undone. It could be he has accepted those things as part of his destiny and should stay that way. He was questioning Lana being back in his life after they had kissed. He talked about his progression, he made the same choice as he did in Requiem when he told Lana to go ahead and absorb the kryptonite. He was made a solid stand for once and drew a line and destroyed the Legion ring, whatever come in consequence, comes. The past is the past and the future, is well the future. He went as far back in time he felt was necessary, and before Linda showed up, but nowhere near the time of Requiem. The fact that he cared enough to make sure picked Lois up from the airport show where his mind is at.
All about Clark
03-18-2009, 04:10 PM
I think it's pretty clear that he didn't use the ring to reverse Lana's situation because deep down inside he knew he shouldn't do it and that they aren't meant to be together. And I'm ok with that, because I ship Clois.
I think Lana's continual exits proved to Clark once and for all they wouldn't work. She only wanted to be with him on her terms. He wanted her anyways, but it wasn't enough for Lana.
I don't believe Clark's choice to use the ring had anything to do with Lois or Lana or anyone, it was self preservation and his strong desire to continue to help mankind. Using the ring meant he could continue his destiny as expected.
supes0
03-18-2009, 04:25 PM
I don't believe Clark's choice to use the ring had anything to do with Lois or Lana or anyone, it was self preservation and his strong desire to continue to help mankind.
I agree.
However, I think then the question is since he is using the ring to go back anyway, why did he chose to go back to the time he did?
For whatever reason he decided to go back far enough to make sure he picked Lois up at the airport in time, not that this was his reason to travel back in the first place, but once traveling back he had to make a decision to go far enough so he could take care of whatever made him late the first time around.
Since the events in Requiem were not in the distant past, why not go the extra week or two to mitigate those events? Especially since those events should be weighing heavily on his thoughts since they just happened.(not that we saw him grieving).
Personally, I just think it's poor writing and a messy plot hole, and I don't expect to ever hear this addressed by the writers let alone the characters.
Iluvgreen
03-18-2009, 05:00 PM
That's cuz Clark loves Lois. :D
myankskent
03-18-2009, 07:21 PM
I agree.
However, I think then the question is since he is using the ring to go back anyway, why did he chose to go back to the time he did?
For whatever reason he decided to go back far enough to make sure he picked Lois up at the airport in time, not that this was his reason to travel back in the first place, but once traveling back he had to make a decision to go far enough so he could take care of whatever made him late the first time around.
After Clark failed to pick up Lois from the airport, that is when Linda Lake appeared with the story about Clark in her hands. So Clark probably decided to go back far enough so that article was never completed by Linda, which is why he walked into Linda's office as she was starting to type it up, that way he could prevent her from even writing it. This is important because while Clark was able to neutralize Linda and stop her from releasing the article, you also don't want to have other copies of this article out there for people to come across. That's the reason why I think that Clark chose to go back at that point.
Since the events in Requiem were not in the distant past, why not go the extra week or two to mitigate those events? Especially since those events should be weighing heavily on his thoughts since they just happened.(not that we saw him grieving).
I'm just forced to believe that Clark didn't change the events of "Requiem" because KK is no longer on this show.
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I can see why Clark might be over Lana by now though and that's because she just up and left him hanging. What the hell is up with that? That is a slap in the face and if I was Clark I'd close the door on her for leaving me like that.
I really don't see what the point is for Lana to stay. She can't be near Clark. She can't live in the same house as him. She can't have a relationship with him. It's kind of hard to interact with a person who can't get within 20 feet of you. At the end of the day, they'd probably only be able to talk to each other on the phone for the most part, which is something that they can do with Lana out of town anyway.
xrayvision
03-18-2009, 07:38 PM
Since the events in Requiem were not in the distant past, why not go the extra week or two to mitigate those events? Especially since those events should be weighing heavily on his thoughts since they just happened.(not that we saw him grieving).
Personally, I just think it's poor writing and a messy plot hole, and I don't expect to ever hear this addressed by the writers let alone the characters.
Clark didn't do that because it was not a life/death situation. The only reason he went back in time was to be able to continue saving people. It was very unselfish. I'm sure instead of turning back time, he could have said the hell with Earth and somehow summoned Maxima and joined her on her planet. But instead he chose to stop the thing that will prevent him from saving people.
Instead of having Chloe ruin his development of the dual identity by offering the solution (which really pissed me off, since this was something for Clark to figure out), they should have addressed this by having her ask him why he didn't go back to stop Lana from taking that "suit". I think many things have been written badly. The idea of ever making Lana super was very stupid. The idea of having all this time travel (especially last season), which creates inexplicable messes, was bad.
alejandrita439
03-18-2009, 07:47 PM
good point...
YAY for clark :)
supes0
03-18-2009, 07:48 PM
After Clark failed to pick up Lois from the airport, that is when Linda Lake appeared with the story about Clark in her hands. So Clark probably decided to go back far enough so that article was never completed by Linda, which is why he walked into Linda's office as she was starting to type it up, that way he could prevent her from even writing it. This is important because while Clark was able to neutralize Linda and stop her from releasing the article, you also don't want to have other copies of this article out there for people to come across. That's the reason why I think that Clark chose to go back at that point.
Yes, but he still had to give himself enough time to get to the airport. I'm not saying he went back with that in mind because that is NOT the case.
But he made the choice to make it so he could pick her up in time.
I'm just forced to believe that Clark didn't change the events of "Requiem" because KK is no longer on this show.
Sure, but this is a huge messy plot hole.
If he goes back in time to fix this, and the KK arc happened only a week or two previous and he doesn't think of this, it is poor writing.
We were lead to believe he is so devastated at the end of Requiem, and once he's traveling back in time he wouldn't go back a few days prior?
Bad storytelling.
I really don't see what the point is for Lana to stay. She can't be near Clark. She can't live in the same house as him. She can't have a relationship with him. It's kind of hard to interact with a person who can't get within 20 feet of you. At the end of the day, they'd probably only be able to talk to each other on the phone for the most part, which is something that they can do even with Lana out of town.
This is where I strongly disagree. She loves him, it shouldn't be about proximity or sex. It should be about finding a cure. They can be near each other. He could wear a lead suit, she could wear a lead suit. They could interact with each other.
And if KK hadn't left, you know they would have found a way while dragging out a cure.
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Clark didn't do that because it was not a life/death situation. The only reason he went back in time was to be able to continue saving people. It was very unselfish. .
I agree, the reason he went back was unselfish. But why not go back a few days further?
He gave himself time to make a selfish move (picking Lois up on time). So why not a little further?
It's very poor storytelling that Clark doesn't explain why he didn't go back a week or two more than he did.
The key is the time frame. Had Lana been gone 6 months, it would be easier to understand. But the wound is still fresh, so why isn't this on his mind? Or even mentioned as a temptation, because it has only been a couple weeks. Not the same as a years (dad's death) or months.
My explanation... messy plot hole due to poor storytelling.
Jor-Fer
03-18-2009, 07:53 PM
Only another anticlana twisted argument.Get over it please.
myankskent
03-18-2009, 08:02 PM
Yes, but he still had to give himself enough time to get to the airport. I'm not saying he went back with that in mind because that is NOT the case.
But he made the choice to make it so he could pick her up in time.
Yeah, absolutely. Clark definitely made sure that he was able to pick Lois up and after seeing how everything went down the first time around, he'd be foolish if he didn't, especially since he promised Lois that he would be there. I also would've expected Clark to call Lois the second time around if he wasn't going to be able to make it, something that he didn't do the first time around.
This is where I strongly disagree. She loves him, it shouldn't be about proximity or sex. It should be about finding a cure. They can be near each other. He could wear a lead suit, she could wear a lead suit. They could interact with each other.
And if KK hadn't left, you know they would have found a way while dragging out a cure.
Well, that's the issue for me. This storyline doesn't work if KK is no longer a main character so TPTB just had both characters assume that no cure is available. I really can't read into it anymore than that. It's much like how Clark thinks that there is no hope of restoring the FOS despite the fact that the damn place has been dead before and come back. Unfortunately, this kind of storytelling makes the characters look like fools and ruins the integrity of this show. If TPTB didn't have a plan in place where Lex would appear as a body double, my guess is that TPTB would have had Clark and everyone else forget all about Lex, despite the fact that he knows Clark's secret.
supes0
03-18-2009, 08:09 PM
Yeah, absolutely. Clark definitely made sure that he was able to pick Lois up and after seeing how everything went down the first time around, he'd be foolish if he didn't, especially since he promised Lois that he would be there.
But why wouldn't he go back a week or two more? He's supposed to have lost a great love. Who cares what he promised Lois? He made greater promises a couple weeks before. It's foolish not to go a little further back (days, not years).
Unfortunately, this kind of storytelling makes the characters look like fools and ruins the integrity of this show.
Exactly!! That is why we can't argue either side of this with integrity. Because it makes no sense. In the fictional realm, Clark not going back a week or two more is out of character and completely illogical. The only reason he didn't was because of external "real life" reasons. AKA KK has left the show.
Snowfire
03-18-2009, 09:10 PM
This whole thread is just another in a long line meant to undermine and demean the power of Clana's relationship when it has been proven time and time again to be resiliant, profound and transcendant, over everything.
I don't even have to doubt Clark's feelings or actions because I have 8 years of episodes to know who will always be in his mind and heart. It's been obvious and evident how much Clana matter in Smallville and even with Lana (Kristin Kreuk) moving on the writers can never undue all they've done to make shine so brightly. White hot.
No opinion or argument on here has proven Clark loves Lana less because he chose to use the Legion ring to erase the mistake he made in his lonliness and despair after Lana left. This episode proved how much of a waste of time the story was and how meaningless it was to Clark. Lois was just lucky he showed her pity by picking her up at the airport. He erased her along with all the mess that happened so the least he could do was show up on time and pick up his friend.
Clark could have gone back to whatever time he wanted to. Even back to the day in Pilot when he learned about his heritage, but he cherishes all the memories he has and all the decisions he's made to get him to where he is. Going back to any moment before Infamous would have shown how insignificant and unimportant they were to him. He and Lana loved every moment they shared together before Lana absorbed the Kryptonite and he would never want to erase those memories she had. And he knows they can overcome this minor bump in the road to their happily ever after, like they have countless times before.
If he cared for anything or anyone in that timeline following Requime he would have never erased and rewound it. The only feelings he has for Lois afterwards are of guilt for having to shut her out even more. He doesn't have any reason to tell her anything now. She doesn't mean much to him and like has been said quite elegantly already, he's just not that into her.
xrayvision
03-18-2009, 09:39 PM
I agree, the reason he went back was unselfish. But why not go back a few days further?
He gave himself time to make a selfish move (picking Lois up on time). So why not a little further?
It's very poor storytelling that Clark doesn't explain why he didn't go back a week or two more than he did.
The key is the time frame. Had Lana been gone 6 months, it would be easier to understand. But the wound is still fresh, so why isn't this on his mind? Or even mentioned as a temptation, because it has only been a couple weeks. Not the same as a years (dad's death) or months.
My explanation... messy plot hole due to poor storytelling.
Actually, Clark must have gone much further than just a few days. I mentioned it in another thread that I wouldn't be surprised if Clark went back to the days of Hydro and various days between then and the events of Infamous. He had to have done something like that because he wouldn't have known about what crimes Linda Lake committed unless he went back and followed her as she committed them.
Clana4Life
03-18-2009, 11:07 PM
Him choosing to go back in time to stop Linda Lake doesn't mean he chooses Lois over Lana. His going back in time didn't have much at all to do with Lois - he had to go back in time because telling his secret to the world caused dire consequences for him and his friends. At this moment, he hasn't chosen anyone.
As so many have said before, he couldn't use the ring to go back in time and save Lana because KK is gone. If he had saved Lana, then she's be around. They'd be living together, and fighting crime all over Metropolis and the world. That just can't happen out KK. Yes, the writers must have realized this would create a huge plothole after viewers saw Infamous. But chalk it up to what it is - as someone else said, messy writing - not a choosing one woman over another.
Supsfan
03-18-2009, 11:12 PM
But chalk it up to what it is - as someone else said, messy writing - not a choosing one woman over another.
I just can't wait till(if) they bring Bizarro back, then that will be the second out to fix the Lana situation that Clark ignores :P
At least you admit it messy writing :)
MountainSniper
03-19-2009, 12:50 AM
Hi Sunny8,
If any thing shows me that Clark chose Lois over Lana, this episode did. Clark had the Legion ring. He chose to use it to make sure that he picked Lois up on time from the airport, but he did not use it to reverse what happened to Lana.
No it doesn’t; you are just reaching for straws to wave the flag for your ship!
The truth is turning back time stories are always crap and turn out to be illogical. The old roll back time option is a cop out and reflects lousy, unimaginative writing more than anything else.
See the problem with your logic regarding Clark choosing to pick up Lois at the airport over saving the love of his life Lana Lang is it can be turned around and used for anything and not just choosing an air port pick up over Lana Lang.
Why didn’t Clark turn back time to stop Zod from being released and save the lives of all the innocents killed around the world in the riots of Black Thursday?
Does this mean that Clark Kent thinks picking up Lois at the airport is more important than the lives of dozens, hundreds, thousands, of innocent people?
Why Clark didn’t use the ring to go back and save Jonathan Kent? Does Clark not making that choice mean picking up Lois at the airport is more important to him than the life of his father?
What about going back to stop Pete from finding the spaceship? After all Pete’s life didn’t’ turn out very good due to leaning Clark’s secret. Then Clark could also save his father and help Pete and save the people killed on Black Thursday etc etc etc.
Why not go back to the Pilot and save the people killed in the first episode and everyone else that dies etc over the next eight years?
See your logic comes to pieces since the truth is that time rewind stories having a whole bunch of dramatic events and outcomes magically swept under the rug due to a time reset always turns out to be crappie story telling.
Just my 2 dirhams worth.
Cheers Mountain Sniper
LovelyLoisLane
03-19-2009, 03:38 AM
Well like I said, I wouldn't say that it was Clark choosing Lois over Lana, but I do think that it was something he was concious of and wanted to change. He did not turn back the clock for her but after he did turn back the clock he made sure he was there on time and if anything that tells me that it was important for Clark to be there and that Lois does matter a great deal to him.
He used that ring to get out of a jam and to keep the world from spiraling out of control because of his secret. So to me it was for better reasoning than turning back time because he lost someone. It isn't like Lana is dead, she just can't come very close to him without making him really really sick. As far as I know it didn't do any permanent damage to her and it was a choice she conciously made, she even went out of her way to keep it secret so no one would find out, especially Clark. So it isn't like if he went back to change that event that Lana wouldn't pull the same stunt later down the road with something else. Because if Clark went back to fix it then Lana wouldn't have learned anything about what a mistake it was because she wouldn't have the experience or knowledge of being poisoned against Clark as a result of wearing the sub-dermal suit.
Plus she seemed to be glad that she still had it, beyond the fact of not being with Clark, so let her have at it. I think Clark has come to terms with that as well as he has his own life to attend to.
The writers shouldn't have created such a story as the P/R combo in the first place, but since they did I'm glad they didn't have Clark go back in time or anything similar to fix it, because to me that would be a repeat of a past mistake and would indeed make the reason look selfish.
It took the world being thrown into chaos because of him to make him use the Legion ring and to me that is far more heroic than going back in time to keep a love interest from doing something that keeps her seperated from you.
However, picking Lois Lane up at the airport on time so she wouldn't think he didn't care enough to be there? That was a perk that he most certainly took advantage of. Then his inner conflict later on in the episode probably made her think he doesn't care anyway, but que sera sera, par for the course I suppose and I think he'll make up for it later, so I'm perfectly alright with that over here.
SpiritedDiva
03-19-2009, 11:32 AM
Precisely. He didn't even consider it. Yes, KK left the show but storywise that doesn't matter. Clark chose to pick up Lois from the airport in time over going back and fix things with Lana.
I am a shipper myself, but I disagree. I would be sick if it was Chloe and not Lois, that's saying a lot coming from a chlark fan. Clark's motivation was not ship related, it had to do with Lake and his secret being exposed. Clark is not as self centered as he may appear, he was doing what was best for the world, and of course his friends.
I will admit, he picked up Lois in this timeline, but he would have done the same for any of his other friends. He learned to be considerate, at least in this episode, who knows about the next one. :lol:
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Not mention when Lois talk about Chloe being in danger, he immediately put the ring on and didn't do a Lois Lane hands on rescue like that.:lol:
First of all, Lois never got to tell Clark that Chloe was in danger. If I am wrong, I stand corrected. Even if he did know Chloe was in danger, he probably figured going back in time would save her anyway. We have proof in many previous episodes that Clark cares very much about what happens to Chloe.
jlbtjb316
03-19-2009, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Clana4Life
As so many have said before, he couldn't use the ring to go back in time and save Lana because KK is gone. If he had saved Lana, then she's be around. They'd be living together, and fighting crime all over Metropolis and the world. That just can't happen without KK. Yes, the writers must have realized this would create a huge plothole after viewers saw Infamous. But chalk it up to what it is - as someone else said, messy writing - not a choosing one woman over another.
Originally posted by supes0
My explanation... messy plot hole due to poor storytelling.
I agree with what both of you said here. It is hard to read too much into why he went back in time to pick up Lois on time instead of going back to save Lana. I think the writers simply wanted to revert back to the beginning of the episode. They can't have him go back to save Lana or anyone else because they are unavailable. I just didn't see any deeper meaning that he chose Lois over Lana.
Originally posted by myankskent
I really don't see what the point is for Lana to stay. She can't be near Clark. She can't live in the same house as him. She can't have a relationship with him. It's kind of hard to interact with a person who can't get within 20 feet of you. At the end of the day, they'd probably only be able to talk to each other on the phone for the most part, which is something that they can do with Lana out of town anyway.
Originally posted by supes0
And if KK hadn't left, you know they would have found a way while dragging out a cure.
Originally posted by myankskent
Well, that's the issue for me. This storyline doesn't work if KK is no longer a main character so TPTB just had both characters assume that no cure is available. I really can't read into it anymore than that.
I agree that if KK hadn't left, TPTB may have tried to keep Clark and Lana together while dragging out a cure, but since they didn't have that option I think they tried to come up with a way to separate them that would be insurmountable. In their minds, there is no way to solve the problem. The only one that could help them is Dr. Grohl, and Lana said that she had been working with him and they had tried everything that they could to reverse the process. There are no other experts in alien nano-technology that they can consult to try to solve the problem. Given the unusual nature of their problem, I thought that Lana leaving was probably one of the kindest things that she could do for herself and for Clark. She knows that he would probably continue to try to go near her and she could not bear for him to continue to put himself through that pain, nor could she bear it. It is also understandable to me that she would find it painful to stick around and watch Clark from afar go on with his life and find someone else. She also knows that if she stays, he will once again be distracted from his destiny by trying to find a cure for her. By leaving, she loves him enough to let him go and allow him to try to move on and be happy and fulfill his destiny.
To me, TPTB made a mistake early this season by all of sudden having Lois have feelings for Clark and then having the almost-kiss in Bride when they knew that KK was coming back for her five episode arc. The Lana arc was consistent with all the previous seasons in that Clark loves Lana and Lana loves Clark. I think it was simply too early to try to develop some sort of Clois relationship with the Clana relationship still unresolved. It's not like they didn't know that KK was coming back and had to throw something together at the last minute.
Bizarrolover
03-19-2009, 12:10 PM
I agree that if KK hadn't left, TPTB may have tried to keep Clark and Lana together while dragging out a cure, but since they didn't have that option I think they tried to come up with a way to separate them that would be insurmountable. In their minds, there is no way to solve the problem. The only one that could help them is Dr. Grohl, and Lana said that she had been working with him and they had tried everything that they could to reverse the process. There are no other experts in alien nano-technology that they can consult to try to solve the problem. Given the unusual nature of their problem, I thought that Lana leaving was probably one of the kindest things that she could do for herself and for Clark. She knows that he would probably continue to try to go near her and she could not bear for him to continue to put himself through that pain, nor could she bear it. It is also understandable to me that she would find it painful to stick around and watch Clark from afar go on with his life and find someone else. She also knows that if she stays, he will once again be distracted from his destiny by trying to find a cure for her. By leaving, she loves him enough to let him go and allow him to try to move on and be happy and fulfill his destiny.
I agree with you in some points, it was kind of Lana to leave so she would spare Clark the pain of trying to be close to her and hurting himself (because we know he was going to try) but we must not forget that Lana left him three times. The first one (end of S3) she told Clark, but the other two times she left him heartbroken, thinking that she was dead the first time and that she didn't love him the second time she vanished from the face of Earth. She also tried to leave in Siren, but Clark stopped her. So, basically, I think Lana doesn't want to be with Clark or doesn't think Clark is the person she wants to share her life with. Every time she had the chance, she left to pursue her own goals. I think Lana is still searching for her identity, trying to find out what she wants to do with her life. She came back to Smallville because she wanted a super powered suit, not because she wanted to be with Clark and I think the reason why she left had nothing to do with Clark's destiny, it's because she wanted to fulfill hers.
dsv100
03-19-2009, 12:38 PM
Lana's super now, just like Clark.
Clark can go back in time and fix his foul-ups; if Lana wants to fix hers, she should get her own Lana-worshiping gang of groupies from the future to come back in time and give her her own time-warp decoder ring! Then she can clean up after herself just like Clark can.
Jor-Fer
03-19-2009, 04:55 PM
Please , all the kryptonite suit´s stuff was brought to end Lana´s participation in the show . To say that clark the character doesn´t know that KK is no longer in the show is a poor argument . Writers showed clearly that clark did all he could to fix the situation and obviously ,in some way, to travel back in time was not an option.
All of these speculations seem another desperate search of closure for the clana,a closure that writers aren´t trying to bring us (at least on this way)
Watching Smallville
03-19-2009, 05:13 PM
If any thing shows me that Clark chose Lois over Lana, this episode did. Clark had the Legion ring. He chose to use it to make sure that he picked Lois up on time from the airport, but he did not use it to reverse what happened to Lana.
I never even thought of that. Bravo.
Jor-Fer
03-19-2009, 05:19 PM
I agree with you in some points, it was kind of Lana to leave so she would spare Clark the pain of trying to be close to her and hurting himself (because we know he was going to try) but we must not forget that Lana left him three times. The first one (end of S3) she told Clark, but the other two times she left him heartbroken, thinking that she was dead the first time and that she didn't love him the second time she vanished from the face of Earth. She also tried to leave in Siren, but Clark stopped her. So, basically, I think Lana doesn't want to be with Clark or doesn't think Clark is the person she wants to share her life with. Every time she had the chance, she left to pursue her own goals. I think Lana is still searching for her identity, trying to find out what she wants to do with her life. She came back to Smallville because she wanted a super powered suit, not because she wanted to be with Clark and I think the reason why she left had nothing to do with Clark's destiny, it's because she wanted to fulfill hers.
Think for a second on what are you saying.In season3 she went to Paris but she wasn´t on a relationship with him and I remember that Clark could convince her to stay but finally he didn´t do it.Also you have to remember that was clark the one who leave Lana at first.
Then she faked her death but not to leave him , she wanted to protect him from lionel because he told her that if she wasn´t with lex he would kill clark.And for her own security of course.
And the last one, she was forced to say what she said in the tape and was kidnapped.
We are talking about third factors one more time.:\
Watching Smallville
03-19-2009, 05:27 PM
There are two incidents that stick w me in the Lana/Clark relationship that would have made me very confused if I were Clark. First, that she left Jonathan's victory party to go talk to Lex. And second that she felt closer to Bizarro. I don't even count marrying Lex because that was more of a rebound thing. But those other two would give me pause.
Bizarrolover
03-19-2009, 07:03 PM
Think for a second on what are you saying.In season3 she went to Paris but she wasn´t on a relationship with him and I remember that Clark could convince her to stay but finally he didn´t do it.Also you have to remember that was clark the one who leave Lana at first.
Then she faked her death but not to leave him , she wanted to protect him from lionel because he told her that if she wasn´t with lex he would kill clark.And for her own security of course.
And the last one, she was forced to say what she said in the tape and was kidnapped.
We are talking about third factors one more time.:\
I agree that the first time they weren't in a relationship, but she made it clear that she wanted to leave Smallville and more specifically Clark to 'find herself' or something. She didn't tell him until after she bought the tickets because she knew that he was the only one that could stop her. She told Clark that and he respected her wish.
The other two were third factors, but that doesn't change the fact that Lana disappeared for months and didn't have the consideration of letting Clark know that she was all right. I usually don't accept the 'I was protecting you' excuse, either coming from Lana or Clark, becaue I think it's the typical excuse that comes from someone who is avoiding a bigger issue, in their case, the lack of trust they had for each other. A simple 'I'm dissappearing for a couple of months, I'll contact you when It's safe' like Clark said to Chloe in Infamous, would have been enough. But, I guess, you have to trust the other person to say that and the other person has to trust you to wait until that moment comes. She was afraid that Lex would find her, that's why she said she didn't call Clark, but she called other people, coordinated Lionel's kidnap, founded Isis and mounted an sphisticated spy web from Shanghai (Lex traced her voice via sattelite) but she never called Clark, who she knew was mourning her death. To me, that scrams I don't want to be with you.
The last one, when Lana was kidnapped, she escaped that same night and didn't contact Clark, the person she was living with, to tell she was all right and chose to let him think she was running away from him. Hell, she even talked to Chloe and asked her not to tell Clark she was all right. Then she decides to stop being a victim, and finds this trainer that made her a stronger person. She came out stronger and started her quest for the super suit, excluding Clark, once again, from her plans.
I think getting back with Clark was never in Lana's plans when she came for Chloe's wedding. Because if you really want start a life with someone, there are things you must share before committing. A super suit that will affect your life forever is one of them, in the same way Clark told her he was an alien when he decided he wanted to share his life with her. She knew Clark was going to object, but she also knew she could convince him. He seemed to like it during the time it worked.
There is one thing Clark said in Requiem that really hit me and that I think defines their relationship. He said, 'please, don't leave, not again.' She left him enough times for him to know better. If I'm not wrong the times Clark broke up with her, he did it to her face. He didn't disappear. I remember that happened in Exodus and Hypnotic. In one he said 'I'm leaving, come with me,' in the other 'I don't love you anymore.' He ended things (though unfortunately he was trying once again a few months later, the man can't make up his mind).
In one way, in think that what you say is right but probably not because of the same reasons you stated. I think Lana is letting Clark go, but not because she loves him and doesn't want to stop him from fulfilling his destiny, it's because she doesn't think her destiny is with him and she sees that Clark cannot accept that.
I'm not trying to change your point of view, I'm trying to make clear mine. :)
Jor-Fer
03-19-2009, 07:34 PM
I agree that the first time they weren't in a relationship, but she made it clear that she wanted to leave Smallville and more specifically Clark to 'find herself' or something. She didn't tell him until after she bought the tickets because she knew that he was the only one that could stop her. She told Clark that and he respected her wish.
The other two were third factors, but that doesn't change the fact that Lana disappeared for months and didn't have the consideration of letting Clark know that she was all right. I usually don't accept the 'I was protecting you' excuse, either coming from Lana or Clark, becaue I think it's the typical excuse that comes from someone who is avoiding a bigger issue, in their case, the lack of trust they had for each other. A simple 'I'm dissappearing for a couple of months, I'll contact you when It's safe' like Clark said to Chloe in Infamous, would have been enough. But, I guess, you have to trust the other person to say that and the other person has to trust you to wait until that moment comes. She was afraid that Lex would find her, that's why she said she didn't call Clark, but she called other people, coordinated Lionel's kidnap, founded Isis and mounted an sphisticated spy web from Shanghai (Lex traced her voice via sattelite) but she never called Clark, who she knew was mourning her death. To me, that scrams I don't want to be with you.
The last one, when Lana was kidnapped, she escaped that same night and didn't contact Clark, the person she was living with, to tell she was all right and chose to let him think she was running away from him. Hell, she even talked to Chloe and asked her not to tell Clark she was all right. Then she decides to stop being a victim, and finds this trainer that made her a stronger person. She came out stronger and started her quest for the super suit, excluding Clark, once again, from her plans.
I think getting back with Clark was never in Lana's plans when she came for Chloe's wedding. Because if you really want start a life with someone, there are things you must share before committing. A super suit that will affect your life forever is one of them, in the same way Clark told her he was an alien when he decided he wanted to share his life with her. She knew Clark was going to object, but she also knew she could convince him. He seemed to like it during the time it worked.
There is one thing Clark said in Requiem that really hit me and that I think defines their relationship. He said, 'please, don't leave, not again.' She left him enough times for him to know better. If I'm not wrong the times Clark broke up with her, he did it to her face. He didn't disappear. I remember that happened in Exodus and Hypnotic. In one he said 'I'm leaving, come with me,' in the other 'I don't love you anymore.' He ended things (though unfortunately he was trying once again a few months later, the man can't make up his mind).
In one way, in think that what you say is right but probably not because of the same reasons you stated. I think Lana is letting Clark go, but not because she loves him and doesn't want to stop him from fulfilling his destiny, it's because she doesn't think her destiny is with him and she sees that Clark cannot accept that.
I'm not trying to change your point of view, I'm trying to make clear mine. :)
I catched it ;)
Sunny8
03-20-2009, 03:01 AM
No it doesn’t; you are just reaching for straws to wave the flag for your ship!
Sorry, MountainSiper, but I'm not a shipper:). But regarding the questions you asked in your entire post, why not? Why couldn't Clark go back to all those times and change them since he had the ring? The Legion went back 1000 years so he could to.
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This whole thread is just another in a long line meant to undermine and demean the power of Clana's relationship when it has been proven time and time again to be resiliant, profound and transcendant, over everything.... She doesn't mean much to him and like has been said quite elegantly already, he's just not that into her.
You could say the same of the thread you just praised, Snowfire. I did not write the show. I am only criticizing why the writer's had Clark go back in time but not far enough to make sure Lana was not kryptonite infested. KK being on the show has nothing to do with it. MR is not on the show and his character was still going strong (that is, until they allegedly killed him).
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To me, TPTB made a mistake early this season by all of sudden having Lois have feelings for Clark and then having the almost-kiss in Bride when they knew that KK was coming back for her five episode arc. The Lana arc was consistent with all the previous seasons in that Clark loves Lana and Lana loves Clark. I think it was simply too early to try to develop some sort of Clois relationship with the Clana relationship still unresolved. It's not like they didn't know that KK was coming back and had to throw something together at the last minute.
You are totally right. Now if we can see that can't the show runner's? You would think this would have been thoroughly thought out.
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All of these speculations seem another desperate search of closure for the clana,a closure that writers aren´t trying to bring us (at least on this way)
No it's not, Jor-Fer. It's about why can Clark use the Legion ring to save himself, but not use it for the supposed love of his life?
jlbtjb316
03-20-2009, 07:56 AM
Originally posted by BizzaroLover
I agree with you in some points, it was kind of Lana to leave so she would spare Clark the pain of trying to be close to her and hurting himself (because we know he was going to try) but we must not forget that Lana left him three times. The first one (end of S3) she told Clark, but the other two times she left him heartbroken, thinking that she was dead the first time and that she didn't love him the second time she vanished from the face of Earth. She also tried to leave in Siren, but Clark stopped her. So, basically, I think Lana doesn't want to be with Clark or doesn't think Clark is the person she wants to share her life with. Every time she had the chance, she left to pursue her own goals. I think Lana is still searching for her identity, trying to find out what she wants to do with her life. She came back to Smallville because she wanted a super powered suit, not because she wanted to be with Clark and I think the reason why she left had nothing to do with Clark's destiny, it's because she wanted to fulfill hers.
I appreciate your response to my post and always enjoy hearing different points of view. I agree that Lana has left Clark a couple of times, and Clark has also left her, walked away from their relationship and/or pushed her away many times as well. One of the frustrating things about both Clark and Lana is that they tend to make decisions about their relationship without consulting each other (even though I believe they have the best of intentions). In those times that Lana has left I don't think it is because she doesn’t want to be with Clark or doesn’t think he is the one she wants to share her life with. I feel like the underlying reason that she leaves in most cases is that she either loves him and can't be in a relationship with him or she wants to protect him.
In season 3 Clark had ended their relationship and pushed her away while at the same time giving her mixed signals. I think she was afraid of being hurt by him again, but she still loved him. Deep down I think she wanted him to reach out to her and ask her to stay and when he did not, she assumed that he did not want a relationship with her and left to spare herself the pain of being near him without being with him. When she left at the end of season 6, she thought she had to leave for their own protection, not because she didn’t love him. She left to protect herself from Lex and to give herself time to figure out how to get out from under the Luthors and protect Clark at the same time. As for the Siren episode, I don’t believe she was leaving Clark or breaking up with him. She was simply going to stay with Chloe for a few days to give Clark some space after their earlier argument that day. In that very conversation at the end of Siren she reiterated her commitment to their relationship.
At the end of season 7, Lana did not leave Clark out of choice. She was kidnapped by Lex’s men and forced to make the video tape. I think that after she escaped she probably wanted to lay low for a while and stay off of Lex’s radar screen while she prepared herself to better resist such attacks in the future. Clark did not know that she had been kidnapped but thought that she left so that she would not hold him back. Perhaps after learning about all the good that Clark was doing, she felt that maybe Clark was better off without her. Even back in season 7 (in the episode Action I think) Lana expressed concern to Clark that she was holding him back from his destiny. I think she still loved Clark and wanted to be with him but felt like they couldn’t be together because Clark’s constant concern for her safety would hinder his work. I think Lana so believed in Clark and the great good that he could do for the world that she gave up what she wanted so that he could fulfill his destiny. I think her decisions are debatable and that she should have gone back to talk to Clark about this, but I think she thought she was doing the right thing for Clark. I think she then tried to bury her feelings and focus on what to do with her life and maybe how she could help both Clark and the world - which led her to the Prometheus suit. Using it, she could keep the technology from being used for evil by Lex and could help make the world a better place.
When she came back for Chloe’s wedding I think it was her feelings for Clark that kept her from leaving again. I think it was after the events of Bulletproof when she learned that Clark still loved her and wanted to try to have a relationship with her that she began to hope that perhaps they could finally be together. None of the events or dialogue of Requiem led me to believe that she left because she did not want Clark to hold her back from being a hero. As I said in my original post, I think they both truly thought that this was an insurmountable problem and that she left because she loved him so much that she wanted to spare them both the pain that her staying would cause and to allow him to focus on his destiny.
InAFlash
03-20-2009, 08:59 AM
Why couldn't Clark go back to all those times and change them since he had the ring? The Legion went back 1000 years so he could to.
He could have gone back to any time but why did'nt he? You're basically saying that he chose Lois over Lana. It's difficult for me to believe that his choice had anything to do with Lois. If he really wanted to he could have gone back to any point in time and changed things for the better and still been with Lois Lane if that's what he wanted. I can imagine that before "Infamous" Clark thought about the possibility of changing things for the better. However, he knew what the consequences of time travel were. He learned this in "Reckoning". IMO he knew there were many variables involved and things may not work out the way he wanted. When he destroyed the ring at the end he was showing me how dangerous he believed that ring was and that messing with the timeline was not something to be taken lightly.
In "Infamous" when he decided to use the ring IMO his focus was on correcting the state the world was in because he had revealed his secret. He had run out of options and used it as a last resort. I don't believe he would have used the ring unless the situation was dire enough to warrant it's use.
Mickey_Bickey
03-20-2009, 09:03 AM
Not mention when Lois talk about Chloe being in danger, he immediately put the ring on and didn't do a Lois Lane hands on rescue like that.:lol:----- Added 8 Minutes later -----
Actions speak louder then words, and he's starting to verbalize his feelings, I say give it time. But so far I see him moving on at this point.
ITA on both points!!!
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After Reckoning he learned not to alter death, in that case someone did have to lose their life in exchange for Clark's, that is not something that can really be undone. It could be he has accepted those things as part of his destiny and should stay that way. He was questioning Lana being back in his life after they had kissed. He talked about his progression, he made the same choice as he did in Requiem when he told Lana to go ahead and absorb the kryptonite. He was made a solid stand for once and drew a line and destroyed the Legion ring, whatever come in consequence, comes. The past is the past and the future, is well the future. He went as far back in time he felt was necessary, and before Linda showed up, but nowhere near the time of Requiem. The fact that he cared enough to make sure picked Lois up from the airport show where his mind is at.
Very well said. I especially like the part I bolded here!!
Snowfire
03-20-2009, 03:13 PM
This whole thread is just another in a long line meant to undermine and demean the power of Clana's relationship when it has been proven time and time again to be resiliant, profound and transcendant, over everything.
I don't even have to doubt Clark's feelings or actions because I have 8 years of episodes to know who will always be in his mind and heart. It's been obvious and evident how much Clana matters in Smallville and even with Lana (Kristin Kreuk) moving on the writers can never undue all they've done to make them shine so brightly. White hot.
No opinion or argument on here has proven Clark loves Lana less because he chose to use the Legion ring to erase the mistake he made in his lonliness and despair after Lana left. This episode proved how much of a waste of time the story was and how meaningless it was to Clark. Lois was just lucky he showed her pity by picking her up at the airport. He erased her along with all the mess that happened so the least he could do was show up on time and pick up his friend.
Clark could have gone back to whatever time he wanted to. Even back to the day in Pilot when he learned about his heritage, but he cherishes all the memories he has and all the decisions he's made to get him to where he is. Going back to any moment before Infamous would have shown how insignificant and unimportant they were to him. He and Lana loved every moment they shared together before Lana absorbed the Kryptonite and he would never want to erase those memories she had. And he knows they can overcome this minor bump in the road to their happily ever after, like they have countless times before.
If he cared for anything or anyone in that timeline following Requiem he would have never erased and rewound it. The only feelings he has for Lois afterwards are of guilt for having to shut her out even more. He doesn't have any reason to tell her anything now. She doesn't mean much to him and like has been said quite elegantly already, he's just not that into her.
I also wanted to add that Clark picking up Lois the second time around was such a friendly gesture and convient for both of them since they work at the same place so it wasn't as if he went out of his way. It's a shame though that all those crimes he stopped the first time were left to happen for the sake of having a less cranky Lois. I still can't believe some people are still making so much about something so small. If he went back in time to save her life like he did Lana then I would concede but thankfully I don't have to worry about anything Clois, except for the assumptions and exaggerations made around here.
Sunny8
03-20-2009, 05:47 PM
I also wanted to add that Clark picking up Lois the second time around was such a friendly gesture and convient for both of them since they work at the same place so it wasn't as if he went out of his way.
He went back in time to rectify that mistake. He could have just dealt with Linda Lake and forgot all about Lois. However, picking up Lois was very much on his mind or he would have just dropped the whole thing.
Jor-Fer
03-20-2009, 06:59 PM
He went back in time to rectify that mistake. He could have just dealt with Linda Lake and forgot all about Lois. However, picking up Lois was very much on his mind or he would have just dropped the whole thing.
If it was true that he went back in time because he wasn´t able to pick her at the airport imagine what clark would do if he forget their aniversary...(please):rotfl:
Sunny8
03-20-2009, 07:12 PM
If it was true that he went back in time because he wasn´t able to pick her at the airport imagine what clark would do if he forget their aniversary...(please):rotfl:
He'd turn the world backwards on its axis. He knows better with Lois:eek:!
Clana Kent
03-23-2009, 10:04 AM
First of all: This is very far fetched..
Second: I have no doubt in my mind that Clark would've gone back in time to 'save' Lana, if Kristin Kreuk has been available for more episodes. Too bad she had only five episodes :\
virginie
03-25-2009, 01:43 PM
ya it tought about that too:D:D and im so glad he pick Lois on time at the airport!!!:D:D:D he clearly chose Lois over Lana!! CLOIS is the future :D
Im just a little sad that he didn't go with her at the coffee shop... but what she wrote prove to him that she love him:D:D
CLanaF23
03-26-2009, 01:17 AM
ok not true. clark DEFINITLY DID NOT choose lois over LANA. ok the lana story line is ended because of the writers..if they still wanted to continue it they would have clark get lana back to normal. but since they want to end it boring and predictable and destroy true love like they did to clana they would have clark do that.. now if lana's character was still in play and they still made clark do that then he would have choose lois over lana but he really didn't. WE ALL KNOW THAT. GET OVER IT.
rebecavaldez
03-26-2009, 04:11 PM
Wow, I love that you made this point!
ripripcasm
03-27-2009, 08:43 AM
at the DP when Lois says something along the lines of 'we could just forget it almost happened', do we have to assume that she's talking about the almost kiss back in bride? is there any indicator that shows in no uncertain terms, that the aforementioned moment in bride was exactly what Lois was talking about? cause it seemed pretty random to bring it up 5 episodes later?..or maybe not..can someone please reaffirm that the almost kiss was what she was talking about?
Superboogie
05-05-2011, 01:28 AM
If any thing shows me that Clark chose Lois over Lana, this episode did. Clark had the Legion ring. He chose to use it to make sure that he picked Lois up on time from the airport, but he did not use it to reverse what happened to Lana.
Yes, he eventually realised the terrible mistake he made in Bride and just went back in time enough to cancel the reveal of his secret, deal with Linda Lake and fix any additional damage he made in his relationship with Lois (making sure he was on time at the airport).
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