Was "Infamous" a filler episode? [Archive] - KSiteTV Television & Movie Forums

davidbrenton

03-13-2009, 05:03 PM

I partially see this episode as a filler. It was a great episode, but I'm curious what the response is on that classification.

The reasons I don't include:
1. Lois & Clark relationship growth (Or, at least interaction and addressing there relationship).
2. Foreshadowing of S8 finale plot points.
3. Clark decides he can't come out as himself (A little, "duh", but that's nature of the show)

The reasons I do:
1. Time reversal wipes out most developments
2. Everyone knew the end already

Timester

03-13-2009, 05:05 PM

How an episode about the insider view of the creation of Superman is a filler? :confused:

Jaderoyale

03-13-2009, 05:06 PM

No way.

This episode was in no way a filler. How did we know the end already? Yes we knew Clark would turn back time, but thats common sense. He can't come out to the world when he hasn't fully accepted his destiny and he never comes out as Clark Kent.

The time reversal hasn't really wiped out developments, more that it started others. For example. The time reversal stopped Chloe finding out Davis was Doomsday and Davis ultimately stopped trying to tame the beast. Something he was trying to do throughout the episode.

Mrs. Superman

03-13-2009, 05:08 PM

Maybe. I think it did a good job progressing (even though it was the backstory) Davis' plot. Knowing he's taking those pills to try to control the monster, but even then its getting the best of him. At the end, he didnt transform into Doomsday (though he had the red eyes) and killed Linda. So we see the line between Davis and Doomsday become thinner and thinner. It also showed Lois' depth of character, and why she is one day going to be the love of Clark's life. I thought she was very stand up throughout the whole episode. We also saw her at her most vulnerable, throughout the story, which was different side of Lois. It was nice to see her soft side come out, and her walls put down a little bit (even though I dont agree with how Clark handled it).

marcella

03-13-2009, 06:44 PM

No way. Clark learned that he needs a secret identity, and Davis discovered that if he kills someone, he doesn't transform into DD

VicNew

03-13-2009, 06:49 PM

I can't lie, the ending pissed me off mainly because HE DESTROYED THE LEGION RING! Clark is too afraid to take BOLD steps! He wants to stay confined and take baby steps. He's too afraid to get with Lois. Too afraid to go back and forth in time. Too afraid to do alot of things. I was feeling the episode til he said he destroyed the ring and left lois hanging. I hate being teased. I'm not too much into love triangles except for the one of Lost between Jack, Kate & Sawyer. Only because it's cool but this whole flirting with what could be, dragging it on. I hate it! That's just me

devilicus rebel

03-13-2009, 06:51 PM

I could see how it could be considered a filler episode since everything returned to normal at the end, but at the same time I think we got a little character development from Davis/Doomsday out of the episode and it was not a total loss. Besides, seeing Clark tell Lois about his powers is better than a lot of the story lines they have come up with in the past.

Harrison_Bergeron

03-13-2009, 07:19 PM

I think it could have been considered filler, it's only purpose was to explore what we already knew, that Clark can't be a super hero. This has already been discussed on SV several times. Other than the ring being destroyed this episode was entirely self contained. If this episode wasn't made, and we skipped straight from Lex being killed to Tess on a plane, we would have missed nothing.

Still a good/entertaining episode.

petewillreturn

03-13-2009, 07:34 PM

No. I think is showed how much Lois cares for Clark, and how she believe that he doesn’t find her special, something she wants very much.

The Dark Knight74

03-13-2009, 07:39 PM

No. Smallville hasn't really had filler since s5.

LoveHurts38

03-13-2009, 08:57 PM

No...lots of foreshadows.

origin

03-13-2009, 09:01 PM

Not even close to being a filler.

BIGBMH

03-13-2009, 09:05 PM

I say no. Clark moved closer to his dual identity and learned more about Lois's feelings for him. Davis returned and is close to being completely taken over by Doomsday.
Overall, I liked it a lot.

Jetman1481

03-13-2009, 09:10 PM

Hey...def a filler episode. Clearly we need to know what a filler means...So what wasn't a filler point... What happened in that episode that moves the story line forward? Oh wait...nothing...because he turned back time, and nothing mattered. And if you say you see some love between Lois and Clark, nothing happened that progressed that story either. Maybe next week we'll see Clark learn how to fly...but probably not.

desertcoyote

03-13-2009, 09:18 PM

I said partially... and here's why I think so:
1. The big red reset button known as time reversal... AGAIN!
2. Foreshadowing the upcoming Doomsday fight... like we didn't know that's happening

The only thing that really progressed was Clark and Lois... a decision made to distance himself is still a decision. I don't really care for ANGST!Lois, but seeing her hurt makes her human.

Demien

03-14-2009, 12:23 AM

no definitely no

hero`s passion

03-14-2009, 01:36 AM

I think the events were too fast and there were a lot of them and I felt it was 20 min instead of 40...but I like it very much

j-kent

03-14-2009, 02:02 AM

kinda actually a good question...yes and no? Tori Spelling's presence definitely induced that feeling, but our return of Clois and Doomsday almost full force definitely counterbalanced that...I'd say it was a good 50/50!

Vindellavon

03-14-2009, 07:09 AM

Partially, but not that much. RBB arc went perfectly, but the Lake stuff and poor usage of the ring got on my nerve. However, the Doomsday scenes were beautiful.

yomama

03-14-2009, 08:46 AM

Huh. Good question. My spouse commented that he found the episode choppy, like they were trying to fit a 2 hour movie in 10 minutes. I don't know if filler is the right term--it felt like they were trying to set up an awful lot for the coming episodes. Maybe if they had had 4 extra episodes that they weren't doing anything better with...;) You know, to spread everything out more evenly and go into more detail...

lifelovedestiny

03-14-2009, 01:58 PM

I don't think it was a filler. There were key moments that connected it to the rest of the season, whether to previous episodes, or ones to come.

Iluvgreen

03-14-2009, 02:08 PM

I think it has great inportance.

luthorian

03-14-2009, 02:58 PM

Partially yes. I think the only way the story moved forward was in the end with Davis and then the info on Clark destroying the ring. Basically everything else was wiped away or stayed the same.

Alicia Chipy

03-14-2009, 04:15 PM

It re-integrated Lois and Davis storylines and explored one of Clarks biggest concerns

thehenry89

03-14-2009, 04:48 PM

Not a filler we haven't had a filler al season, we've had mind numbingly horrible episodes, but no filler.

davidbrenton

03-14-2009, 05:30 PM

Not a filler we haven't had a filler al season, we've had mind numbingly horrible episodes, but no filler.

BulletProof. I didn't think that forwarded anything.

alejandrita439

03-16-2009, 06:26 PM

no, it wasnt a filler

xrayvision

03-16-2009, 11:27 PM

I'd say partially since it did advance the Doomsday storyline, which is the main plot for the season.

Lilah

03-16-2009, 11:33 PM

xrayvision

03-16-2009, 11:57 PM

I can think of 4 episodes this season they could have used ;)

I actually liked Legion & Bulletproof. I think they could have sacrificed Toxic, Power & Requiem.

Lilah

03-16-2009, 11:59 PM

I actually liked Legion & Bulletproof. I think they could have sacrificed Toxic, Power & Requiem.

Legion was a great episode and it would have been even better if it had taken place before Chloe's mind wipe and before the wedding. Bulletproof was a definite filler. I liked it too. But it was a filler.

xrayvision

03-17-2009, 12:06 AM

redkryptoniteisthebest

03-17-2009, 12:07 AM

Heck no! It was anything but!

Lilah

03-17-2009, 12:14 AM

I think Legion happened when it did for a reason--regarding Chloe. Something obviously happened that caused the Legion not to recognize Chloe or hear of her. I tend to think that the events as they originally played out in Infamous is what caused it---since Chloe was killed by Doomsday in the original timeline (as we were about to see had the scene not cut out). Since the timeline wasn't altered yet at that point, Chloe's existence ended so that the Legion never heard of her. As of the changed timeline, we have yet to find out if Chloe will be recognized by the Legion.

So you're saying that if the Legion never gave him the ring, Chloe would have died, and that's why they didn't know her? That actually makes a lot of sense. Does anyone else feel the need to do a chart? I think I need to start one to keep track of the two time lines....:D

But that also means the writer's have purposely prolonged Chloe's life. Why do that if they plan to kill her? Even though its just a rumor, it has substance. So let's say Chloe does in fact die in the finale. Why go through all the trouble of weaving the story to the point where you save a character's life only to kill them 7 episodes later?

xrayvision

03-17-2009, 01:31 AM

Perhaps to show that this time around, the time travel would not have resulted in someone dying who would have otherwise lived had the time travel not taken place. If Clark & Chloe die, then I think it would have been the same end result if Clark never stopped himself (and Linda Lake) from exposing his secret.

I don't know who will die---I just wish these damn spoilers were never released. It could easily be Clark & Tess. Or Davis & Tess. I seriously think that Lex is now Oliver Queen after transplanting brains and if this is true, Tess' death would make sense. I posted a thread in the speculation forum about this and its implications in Turbulence (based on the trailer I saw) and Injustice (based on what I think the episode will be about). Here's the thread if you're interested:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122683

Then again, I don't know what else they can do with Chloe. I don't know how else Jimmy will be single when Superman shows up. Then again Chloe may get taken to the future by the Legion while Tess will die. I don't know, nor do I want to until the episode airs.

House of Brock

03-17-2009, 07:52 AM

It is often said that this show is about Clark and his journey to become Superman. In this episode, he tried to come out just as Clark Kent with no dual identity and tried to live that life. It showed us and him that he can't just do that, not in the world that they live in. I think this episode will finally show him that if he is to become a symbol of hope, he will have to do it not as Clark Kent, but another identity.

Also, Clark's progression with Lois is evident as he does remember everything that happened. He knows what she thinks of him now, something I don't think he truly realized before.

SnowBird

03-17-2009, 08:49 AM

Plain and simple....No!

kg1507

03-17-2009, 12:24 PM

No, it had a lot of foreshadowing for future episodes, I thought.

Sunny8

03-18-2009, 04:47 AM

No. It was much more than a filler.

SVrockschar89

03-23-2009, 05:02 PM

It most definitely was not a filler eppy...I think its setting the stage for bigger, brighter...(Lois and Clark)..and more dangerous...(Doomsday)...things to come
I think it was quite a signicant eppy IMO

It showed that Clark has to have another identity in order to save people and to give hope to the world.

It finally shows Clark the depth of the feelings that Lois has for him....I don't think there has been a clearer moment than at the end of the eppy for Clark to see whats actually in front of him for once in his life regarding Lois. And he is beginning to see the magnitude of his own feelings for her also.

This eppy definitely advanced the storyline. Thats just my tuppence on the subject

Clana Kent

04-10-2009, 05:05 AM

Lois was in it, right? Okay, filler :D

Kiddin' on that one, but I don't think it was not a filler. We already knew what was coming and nothing serious happened... The writers wanted to give all the Cloisfans a Clois moment and this was the only way to do that...
How is that not a filler?