Did Doomsday Kill Chloe? [Archive] - KSiteTV Television & Movie Forums

Sunny8

03-13-2009, 12:38 AM

Kalista

03-13-2009, 12:41 AM

I think he did kill Chloe but her murder was reversed when Clark used the ring. As a result, in the current timeline, Davis murders Linda and that's what changed.

Autumn

03-13-2009, 12:43 AM

No. The long pause on Chloe's face told me he didn't kill her. If he was going to kill her, she would already have been dead. I would have liked to see what happened though. Great scene! Reminds me why I LOVE Chlavis. Just one of the most entertaining pairings I have ever seen on television. I hope they don't ruin it.

harryandginnyfanatic

03-13-2009, 12:44 AM

Did Doomsday Kill Chloe?

It sure seemed that way.

Sunny8

03-13-2009, 12:46 AM

I think he did kill Chloe but her murder was reversed when Clark used the ring. As a result, in the current timeline, Davis murders Linda and that's what changed.

Hey, I never thought about that. Clark and Chloe did put an emphasis on things changing when time is reversed, so maybe you're right.

SupesComicFan

03-13-2009, 02:10 AM

Yes, he did kill her. Why else was he coming after her? To take her out on a date? I think once Davis finds out Clark is Kryptonian, he permanently changes to Dooms. I think the only reason for the Davis disguise is to enable him to find Clark, explaining his connection to Chloe, which turns out to be just Clark and nothing special about Chloe.

Yes, she is toast but for the time reversal.

shamville

03-13-2009, 04:30 AM

No dooms didn't kill her. If he kill her maybe the legion might have a forcefield on chloe. That protect her from him.

marka58091

03-13-2009, 06:02 AM

When Doomsday ripped the door off of Chloe's car I wondered if he killed her. Since Clark went back in time and changed everything, we never really knew what happened. What do you guys think?

Lexsghost

03-13-2009, 06:02 AM

Dead

sithius

03-13-2009, 06:05 AM

sithius

03-13-2009, 06:21 AM

What would stop Doomsday from killing her? She no longer has the Brainiac connection that drew them together. Also, Davis has no control over Doomsday so why would Chloe, or anybody for that matter, not end up dead if he ever got as close to them as he was to Chloe? He ripped her car door off. Why would he do that if he wasn't going to kill her?

BTW what kind of car was that Chloe was driving? Anyone know?

This.

Davis has nothing to do with Doomsday when he completely transforms. He did kill Chloe, I believe to say otherwise is not taking into account all the facts of the case.

e-µ-i

03-13-2009, 07:23 AM

Nope. Doomsday is still an intelligent creature and I think that he knew that killing Chloe would not make anything right...He would probably exploit her to find the Kryptonian, meaning : Clark.

Mickey_Bickey

03-13-2009, 07:59 AM

I think he did actually after rewatching it this morning. Because you have Chloe at the end talking to Clark about what might have changed, and the next scene is Davis killing Linda Lake which tells me that he probably killed Chloe.

He did tell her to run as he was turning into "the Beast"! That scene was scary. They did a good job with that.

Krypton935

03-13-2009, 08:02 AM

I think that he would have. After the fos wasn't he supposed to lose all feeling for everyone? And if his feeling for her were a program from Brainiac then that will probably be over. So yes unfortunatly I think he killed chloe.

spike416

03-13-2009, 08:17 AM

I don't think so because she had enough time to call lois and tell her Davis was Doomsday

LoveHurts38

03-13-2009, 08:20 AM

I think he did but, it did not go further in the sene to leave us guessing.

sithius

03-13-2009, 08:40 AM

I don't think so because she had enough time to call lois and tell her Davis was Doomsday

Doomsday was still transforming, leaving Chloe enough time to make the call.

The reason they didn't show her death is because it would have been too graphic.

Autumn

03-13-2009, 08:52 AM

costas22

03-13-2009, 08:53 AM

I also tink he killed her.Nice to see Davis' pants still fitted though.Lol

Wildfire

03-13-2009, 08:55 AM

More than likely he did and probably will in the future.

chlo-el

03-13-2009, 09:12 AM

No, I don't think so. There was a long stare and pause. Doomsday didn't harm Chloe in Bride so I don't think he would've at this point.

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What would stop Doomsday from killing her? She no longer has the Brainiac connection that drew them together. Also, Davis has no control over Doomsday so why would Chloe, or anybody for that matter, not end up dead if he ever got as close to them as he was to Chloe? He ripped her car door off. Why would he do that if he wasn't going to kill her?

BTW what kind of car was that Chloe was driving? Anyone know?

Well, I think that Davis might be there deep down. And there was this long pause and staring. If Doomsday really wanted to kill her he would have.

And about the car. I don't know what kind it is. But it looks expensive. how did she get a car like that when she works for a nonprofit. Was it a wedding gift from Oliver?

And why are these crazy yellow vechiles coming out of nowhere?

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I think they did leave it ambiguous for a reason. They do want to give too much away, too soon. I think it was classic Smallville style of Clark leaving just before he heard Davis was Doomsday. I wonder if he would still go back in time or try to save Chloe.

Autumn

03-13-2009, 09:27 AM

No, I don't think so. There was a long stare and pause. Doomsday didn't harm Chloe in Bride so I don't think he would've at this point.

The long stare was telling to me. And before that Doomsday leaned down to look at her. So the stare was after he was already looking at her. He's so fast that I think if he was going to kill her it would have already happened. I had a feeling he might have just kidnapped her again, perhaps to draw Clark out since he is 'programmed against his will' to kill him, now knowing that Chloe is best friends with the other kryptonian. With all the future spoilers, I wonder how Chloe could harbor him if he was going to kill her every time he transformed?

Anyway, it is meant to be ambiguous. For all we know, her healing powers could have emerged and she protected herself with her force field, like with Brainiac, her powers emerging under extreme duress.

Azure Trayl

03-13-2009, 09:53 AM

I'm going to say she was killed. If Davis had any self control he wouldn't have trampled Chloe's car the way he did and yank out the door. I think if anything he killed her because she knew Clark was Kryptonian.

SupermanRox

03-13-2009, 09:54 AM

No, I don't think he did.

777Flash

03-13-2009, 09:58 AM

I think everyone should get ready for Chloe's demise. Davis knows he/Doomsday can never have her so he won't want anyone else to either. Besides, he's out to destroy the world anyway. Jimmy Olsen never speaks of his wife in other SM stories. The Legion said they read about Jimmy, Lois and Lana but never read about Chloe history. Clark destroyed the ring so he can't use it to go back in time to save her if and when she dies. It's over for her. Too bad because her character was sometimes the most redeeming part of the show. Allison Mack does/did an unbelievable job with that character and I'll be sad to see her go. http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif
This will probably be the last season for SV - but it was a good run.
Didn't understand why Clark said Lois can never know his secret.

dunkman

03-13-2009, 09:58 AM

This is kind of a moot point. Clark went back in time before Doomsday killed her, so Doomsday didn't kill her (past tense). The real question is, WILL Doomsday kill Chloe? (future tense) Since Clark changed the past, it will affect the future, but I have a feeling Doomsday would have killed Chloe if that timeline had continued; & he'll probably still end up killing her. I love Chloe, but I have to admit, I think she's doomed! Why else would the Legion have never heard of her?

MrZeppo

03-13-2009, 10:02 AM

Yeah I believe so. I hate to say it because I love Chloe, but I feel Doomsday was a few seconds away from killing her.

ZODisGOD

03-13-2009, 10:21 AM

In this episode, Chloe IS the Lana Lang and Linda Lake IS the Jonathan Kent. Am I right?

LoveHurts38

03-13-2009, 10:21 AM

But, the thing is Lois was going to tell Clark what was going on from the call she received from Chloe than poof it was to late for aything to be avoided in the future if you know what I mean.

Timester

03-13-2009, 12:44 PM

Davis pretty much said why he was so fixated on Chloe, because of Clark. It's obvious that he killed her, since Chloe didn't matter anymore.

myankskent

03-13-2009, 01:00 PM

Davis pretty much said why he was so fixated on Chloe, because of Clark. It's obvious that he killed her, since Chloe didn't matter anymore.

Yup, and now she still matters in this second timeline which means that the Clark/Doomsday stuff will be put off for even longer. I still cannot believe that they have had so few scenes together this season.

oldblackmagick

03-13-2009, 01:20 PM

well davis isn't as dumb as the other people...more than 5 mins with clark and the season would be done cause he would figure out who clark is...strong, clark is...smart, he isn't:)

ChloeBot

03-13-2009, 03:46 PM

Yes - Why else would Doomsday have ripped the door off? He killed her for sure. Remember that Davis is not Doomsday. If Doomsday could stop himself from killing Chloe why not all the other people? To me Davis and Doomsday are two different things. Doomsday is a killing machine...

Iluvgreen

03-13-2009, 03:57 PM

How could he not have! He like.... you know.... the car...and stuff........ I was scared!

Vindellavon

03-13-2009, 04:09 PM

She was most likely dead by the time Lois picked up the phone. I think that was another anvil telling us she's about to kick it. :(

marcella

03-13-2009, 06:44 PM

Yes, and i think it's foreshadowing

Deana

03-13-2009, 06:59 PM

Doomsday killed her and he will most likely get a chance to kill her again because the BDA did not even let Lois finish her sentence before resetting time. That was just rude. The BDA always ends up biting himself in the butt.

Jade4813

03-13-2009, 06:59 PM

The SV writers are pretty well known for being very obvious with stuff like this. I think that if they were gonna kill Chloe, even in an alternate reality, they wouldn't leave it ambiguous like they did.

I think that depends. I could see them NOT wanting to show it this time, particularly if they plan to kill Chloe in the finale. Because if we saw her get killed this episode, it would take away a good deal of the impact on it later.

Just a thought.

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The BDA always ends up biting himself in the butt.

Mental image. Will be stuck in my head. All night. :p

Deana

03-13-2009, 07:04 PM

^^You know it is true. XD

susangail

03-13-2009, 07:08 PM

I think he would have. If Chloe dies in the finale, it's worth noting that either way, her fate was sealed.

AndiGirl

03-13-2009, 07:11 PM

I'm honestly not sure if he killed her. :\
Dont you think if he did they would have shown that? Maybe we are supposed to assume he did.....so there will be a twist in the future?

I just think there's a reason they left us hanging on that.....

Deana

03-13-2009, 07:15 PM

^^I think he did and that is why they didn't show it. When Doomsday kills, he leaves a mess. Did you guys honestly want to see Chloe horribly butchered?

AndiGirl

03-13-2009, 07:20 PM

^^I think he did and that is why they didn't show it. When Doomsday kills, he leaves a mess. Did you guys honestly want to see Chloe horribly butchered?

That true...
But I'm still not sure. The way Smallville works....its just odd that they wouldnt show something. Even a shadow against the wall of Chloe being lifed by Dooms...or something. Just the fact that it opens the door....and they just sit there staring at eachother for a good chunk of time.

I think its a real possibility he did kill her, but knowing Smallville writers....I'm not ruling anything out! :lol:

snookie16

03-13-2009, 07:38 PM

I know I said no, but now I am thinking that Doomy in the alternate timeline did kill Chloe, because I saw the scene again and I can see that he did kill Chloe. I think after Davis did tell Chloe he sent there to destroy Clark and her reaction spoke volumes that she will do what she can to protect Clark.

MrZeppo

03-13-2009, 07:46 PM

In this episode, Chloe IS the Lana Lang and Linda Lake IS the Jonathan Kent. Am I right?

Actually that's a very good point. In the original timeline Doomsday kills Chloe and in the modified timeline Davis kills Linda.

I'm really okay with the course of fate making that trade. :)

Jade4813

03-13-2009, 07:50 PM

:lol: It is kinda funny, though. Tori Spelling's by far the worst actor who's ever appeared on Smallville in ANY capacity. By FAR. At least IMO. And yet we had to suffer through two episodes of her, whereas we only get one of, say, Perry.

rebecavaldez

03-13-2009, 10:17 PM

I think so.

Demien

03-14-2009, 12:18 AM

Yes....

j-kent

03-14-2009, 01:59 AM

I'm pretty sure he creepily took her back to the fortress of solitude again to stare at her longingly while she lay unconscious...albeit doing this still IN Doomsday form.....................................what a creep!

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:lol: It is kinda funny, though. Tori Spelling's by far the worst actor who's ever appeared on Smallville in ANY capacity. By FAR. At least IMO. And yet we had to suffer through two episodes of her, whereas we only get one of, say, Perry.

Where that came in...I wholeheartedly agree! haha!

Vindellavon

03-14-2009, 07:07 AM

Right now most of think Doomsday might've wiped Chloe off the map in the original timeline, but I'm starting to think it might get a bit too repetitive if in the end they do decide to kill her off. It seems like foreshadowing, but something just isn't right.

workshyslacker

03-14-2009, 07:36 AM

I'm still on the fence about whether Chloe is going to die in Season 8 (and I don't like my chain being yanked by the PTB with these spoilers), but I thought that when time was rewound before in SV, everything had to be in balance; Jonathon's death vs Lana's death in Reckoning and, here, we are explicitly shown Linda Lake's death in the altered timeline. This would balance a death in the previous timeline if Doomsday killed Chloe, which happened offscreen, as it would take the focus off Clark in this episode (and would be reversed anyway).

chlo-el

03-14-2009, 08:44 AM

I think that depends. I could see them NOT wanting to show it this time, particularly if they plan to kill Chloe in the finale. Because if we saw her get killed this episode, it would take away a good deal of the impact on it later.

Just a thought.

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Mental image. Will be stuck in my head. All night. :p

IDK, this is an AU and Chloe has been killed before in an AU so if she died here it doesn't really say she would die in the regular timeline.

I still don't think she did. Especially now I saw the turbulence clip. Where Chloe's touch calms down the Beast.

I think they didn't want to show whether she got killed or not to keep us guessing. and not to ruin what happens in eps to come.

sithius

03-14-2009, 09:41 AM

IDK, this is an AU and Chloe has been killed before in an AU so if she died here it doesn't really say she would die in the regular timeline.

I still don't think she did. Especially now I saw the turbulence clip. Where Chloe's touch calms down the Beast.

I think they didn't want to show whether she got killed or not to keep us guessing. and not to ruin what happens in eps to come.

I disagree. I don't think she was calming down the beast, she was calming down Davis, who was still transforming. Once he has fully transformed, I don't believe he can be calmed down, because by definition Doomsday is a killing machine who feels absolutely nothing ands missions is to destroy everything and everyone. Once transformed, Davis is nowhere to be found. If you think he is, then you should expect the beast to be affecting Davis' personality, which he clearly doesn't as Davis is a caring paramedic. If there was some link between the two's mindsets then I would expect that Davis would be either a psycho, or if he was the same as he is now, Doomsday wouldn't be a bad creature. I just can't see a link... but please, someone feel free to point one out to me. :)

Ace16

03-14-2009, 12:32 PM

I don't know. The time Clark went back to save Lana his dad died, if Chloe did die was Linda taking her place in the time swap? Or was Chloe not dieing a correlation with Davis accepting his destiny i.e. dropping the pshycotic pills?

Vindellavon

03-14-2009, 12:59 PM

lifelovedestiny

03-14-2009, 01:51 PM

This is a good question. I hadn't really thought about this (too focused on the Clois) but he probably did, seeing as he went into full Doomsday mode, he had to go get him some human carnage.

Lexsghost

03-14-2009, 06:54 PM

Id chloe dies in the finale for real and not coming back in later episodes Im done.

Diego*Chloe

03-14-2009, 07:15 PM

I think that Jor-El said that the universe has to find a balance so Chloe died and then when the time was reset Linda took her place.

RESIDENT EVIL

03-15-2009, 07:17 AM

I think he did.

Vindellavon

03-15-2009, 07:25 AM

I think that Jor-El said that the universe has to find a balance so Chloe died and then when the time was reset Linda took her place.

Yup, because there was absolutely no chance Chloe could've survived that attack from Doomsday. Linda didn't.

Xanusus

03-15-2009, 12:28 PM

maybe he was chasing her to get her number so they could go out for cake and ice cream at some point.

SGuthrie27

03-15-2009, 02:04 PM

I imagine that he did kill Chloe. :( I know that he cares for her a lot -- enough so that he carried her gently all the way to the Fortress of Solitude. But still, he seemed really angry and scary, and Chloe had just told him he'd never get to lay a hand on Clark and basically abandoned him to tell Clark who Davis really was. I think she was a goner in that timeline, which makes me very glad that Clark rewound time to set things right again.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

Marissa

03-15-2009, 04:12 PM

She was dead, I think.

alejandrita439

03-16-2009, 02:03 PM

i think she died :(

Mrs.Bizzaro

03-16-2009, 05:39 PM

I think I agree with those of you who said Chloe was killed by Doomsday. I think the long pause was just a dramatic way of showing that sceen. He not only ripped the car door off but he also lifted it (if I'm not mistaken) and the look of horror on Chloe's face -- all very dramatic to play up to her death. Davis even said his attraction was only due to brainiac being inside Chloe. After he realizsed that his "connection" with her was only to advance his transformation to Doomsday....that part of him that is Doomsday has no reason to keep her alive and he knew that - which is why he told her to run. But once he was fully Doomsday all bets were off.

Then we have Clark and Chloe talking about how Jor-El told them that a balance must always be maintained. And we see Davis kill Lake. She was the exchange. (thank goodness cause I was sure the nurse was gonna get it and I'd rather have tori spelling offed in a show....Man she was really bad! Totally threw off the entire episode with her bad "acting".....but i digress)

The other thing that caught my attention was that DAVIS and not Doomsday killed Lake. That's another big change in the timeline. Before Davis wouldn't kill someone while he was still Davis. Doomsday did all the killing. Now we see him advancing even faster into his destiny.

tj_powers

03-16-2009, 06:29 PM

Nah he didnt... remember at her wedding he just took her away even if it was Brainiac calling out ot him. I think there is a part of Doomsday that still remains human

Sunny8

03-17-2009, 11:16 AM

Nah he didnt... remember at her wedding he just took her away even if it was Brainiac calling out ot him. I think there is a part of Doomsday that still remains human

The Brainiac connection stopped Doomsday from killing Chloe at that time. Brainiac needed her body and brain then. Now that Brainiac is no longer involved, Chloe is like everyone else. Why would Davis have told her to run if he believed that Chloe would not be attacked by his Doomsday side?

LoveHurts38

03-17-2009, 11:49 AM

I bet If it does happen Clark is going to regret of not listening to Lois and destroyng the ring.

kg1507

03-17-2009, 12:25 PM

Dead with a capital D. Did you see Doomsday? Davis was waaaaayy too far gone to know what he was doing anymore.

Chulance

03-17-2009, 01:27 PM

Yeah Doomsday killed her.

Radioflyer

03-17-2009, 08:27 PM

DeadMostly dead. But that doesn't really matter anymore because it's no longer in the past.

Sunny8

03-18-2009, 03:57 AM

Mostly dead. But that doesn't really matter anymore because it's no longer in the past.

Yes. But it still hurt. At least it hurt me to think that she had been killed.

Dyanara

03-18-2009, 02:09 PM

Oh she was so dead and to top it off she knew it.

Watching Smallville

03-19-2009, 05:54 PM

I think it's pretty obvious that Doomsday killed Chloe in the alternative future. Davis said he thought Chloe was the one drawing him to Smallville, but it wasn't. It was Clark. So with that realization, he disconnected from her. And there's a deep irony in Chloe worrying at the end about what Clark might have changed by turning back time -- when her fate in the alternate future was so grim.

Ritza

03-24-2009, 03:32 AM

Yeah I think she did die but now she won't die later on!

BackToTheLies

05-03-2009, 12:27 PM

I think he did kill Chloe but her murder was reversed when Clark used the ring. As a result, in the current timeline, Davis murders Linda and that's what changed.

Took me flipping ages to watch this episode again but I never paid attention to the Doomsday/Chloe scene until just now and I agree with this. You change fate, and it's a life for a life.

Considering that Chloe comes back next week and begs for Clark to kills Doomsday it's pretty much conclusive that Doomsday doesn't draw the line at killing any human being.

supercatmom

08-05-2009, 09:24 AM

If he didn't, he should haved.
Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of Chloe, but Doomdays is a killing machine.
And when Davis transforms into Doomsday he kills anyone in the immediate area
And we saw him smash the roof of the car and pull off the door, the next step would be to kill the occupant of the car.

donnarose

08-05-2009, 09:35 AM

Honestly,when I saw that scene it made me start thinking, what did happen there? It was so close!!:\

Selenatripox

08-08-2009, 11:02 AM

No, he would never harm Chloe... not even as that Doomsday beast.

daxam77

08-08-2009, 02:58 PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought this. The way Clark exited (fading away instead of bluring) made me think that she was the ghost and he stopped existing for her the minute he left the place she was "haunting." The cutting of the scene where Davis impales Jimmy was a very odd too. Very un-Smallville-like. It was almost like we missed something.

The only thing that makes me doubt they would take this approach though is the cemetery scene where she interacts with the "real" Jimmy by giving him the camera. That wouldn't make sense.

I did get the impression from some interview I read somewhere that maybe Allison won't be there for the entire 9th season. It would certainly be a coup is they could fool us into believing Chloe was alive for most of the season and reveal it on a sweeps night!

Selenatripox

08-08-2009, 03:47 PM

Killed her obviously. He was after her simply because he's after everything. In the comics he kills a bird that lands in his hand for kicks. He saw Chloe running away from him, ran after her and killed her. Doomsday has no part of Davis in him when he transforms, the only reason he spared Chloe in Bride was because he was on an order to collect her. There wasn't anything personal there at all.

It really frustrates me that Clark put that ring on before hearing Lois out. Doesn't hurt to wait a second or so.

It wouldn't have mattered at all, because all Lois got was the voice mail from Chloe, and that was what she was gonna say to Clark, that Chloe told her that Davis was Doomsday... so, you see: It wouldn't have mattered in that aspect, since Lois didn't know what had happened to Chloe after that.

shamville

08-08-2009, 06:40 PM

Doomsday did not kill her part of the thing is davis. So rokk lied. If he did he should had kill her in legion. No he did not.

Bizarrolover

08-08-2009, 09:47 PM

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It wouldn't have mattered at all, because all Lois got was the voice mail from Chloe, and that was what she was gonna say to Clark, that Chloe told her that Davis was Doomsday... so, you see: It wouldn't have mattered in that aspect, since Lois didn't know what had happened to Chloe after that.

it doesn't matter because that timeline was reversed. But if Clark wouldn't have put on that ring on, that would have been the end of Chloe, because Doomy killed her. Clark would have known who Doomsday was, but Chloe would be dead.

SGuthrie27

08-08-2009, 11:41 PM

For all intents and purposes, it looked like he was going to kill her, but knowing Davis' attraction to Chloe, he more than likely would've ended up abducting her again, rampaging through the streets as he carried her away. You're right, Bizarrolover, that the point becomes rather moot due to the timeline reversal. However, I still would've preferred Clark wait five more seconds to find out the knowledge of Doomsday's other identity, and THEN he could travel back in time, thus preventing Chloe's death and being forearmed with the knowledge that could've stopped Doomy far sooner and saved so many lives. Learn some patience, C.K.!

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--