Davis has crossed the line?

[cloisthelegendbegins]

So when Davis killed Linda Lake it wasn't fully transformed into Doomsday... has he crossed the line? Is he now more responsible for murder than he was before?

[moviefan2k4]

Well, the fact his eyes were still red clearly indicates that the showrunners meant for Doomsday to be Linda's killer, not Davis. However, since he threw the pills away afterward, it makes me think that Davis deliberately chose to give in, and thus Linda's death is on his head as well. Both beings within him are equally to blame.

[6-Super-Man -5]

Yup, Doomsday is BACK!

[Vergon6]

It was Doomsday taking more and more control. And yes, Davis made a conscious decision to embrace his destiny right then and there. Point of no return.

[susangail]

Oh, yeah, he knew exactly what he was doing. Then he decided death was a small price compared to stealing meds.

[ZODisGOD]

Clark and Davis are kryptonians. They have to look out for each other man.

[Vergon6]

Oh, yeah, he knew exactly what he was doing. Then he decided death was a small price compared to stealing meds.
The throwing away of the meds was symbolic. It had nothing to do with thinking stealing meds was worse than death.

[dunkman]

I no longer see any distinction between Davis & Doomsday. The transformation in this episode was awesome! But when he shifts back to his human form, he's still Doomsday.

[AndiGirl]

It was Doomsday...not Davis.
Which is why as his eyes werent red anymore...Davis looked shocked and sick.

It looks like its taking less and less for Dooms to come out.

[dunkman]

Davis was never real. Kal-El was really Clark because he was raised by the Kents, but Doomsday was a test-tube Kryptonian who was just confused most of his life.

[Alexander III]

Dun care if it was Davis or Droomy, killing Linda there was morally justified :lol:

[skugers]

Oh yeah!

[AndiGirl]

Davis was never real. Kal-El was really Clark because he was raised by the Kents, but Doomsday was a test-tube Kryptonian who was just confused most of his life.

According to the mythos...yes, Davis was never real.
But speaking as someone who's never really read the comic books...and is just a Smallville fan. I cant help but see them as two separate entities.

Which I'm sure will be changing soon.....its obvious the lines between the two are becoming blurred. And as much as I love the character of Davis...I'm really excited to see more of Doomy! :lol:

[Clois4eva89]

I absolutely loved that scene when Linda said set me free I was like 'oh he'll set you free alright...set you free from this world'.

[blink2matrix]

he is more responsible now than he was before but i didn't like him much before, lol. Kinda sad cuz Davis himself was kinda innocent and redeeming where one could hope he could somehow be cured (though we know that wasn't going to happen) so now he's evil in both forms.

[susangail]

The throwing away of the meds was symbolic. It had nothing to do with thinking stealing meds was worse than death.

Sorry -- I'll lay my sarcasm on a bit heavier next time ;)

[SnowBird]

Davis killed Lake to protect his identity and so knew what he was doing. Doomsday kills just to kill with no thought as to why.

[Lexsghost]

Does it matter if he crossed the line ,hes doomsday.

[colibri]

Yes, I think this is the first episode that he knew what he was doing. I also think he was surprised that by killing Linda Lake he was able to control his transformation. I think things are going to get nasty soon.

[Tsigaro]

that was awesome..

plus it seems like he can control the outburst now..

[superspider02]

i actually liked that davis/doomsday killed linda in the end it totally worked.

[Iluvgreen]

Hello! He didn't regret it at all! He dropped the pills and stuff! He knows how to control it now, and he's going to use it!

[Sunny8]

I don't think Davis crossed the line. He cannot control when Doomsday takes him over. He was obviously being taken over by Doomsday (his eyes turned red) when he killed Linda Lake. I think he did not know what he did until afterwards.

[MrZeppo]

Did he cross a line? Yes, he committed coldblooded murder willingly to silence Linda. I think anger drove a lot of the decision. But he still had conscious control there and once his pain was being relieved from murdering her he fully realized what he did. He only seemed slightly remorseful too. If it was Doomsday it would have been a much bloodier scene as that's Doomsday's MO.

Can I forgive him? Oh hella yes. If not for any other reason than I never liked Tori Spelling, IMHO she's a godawful & annoying actress, and I hated Linda Lake as a character since "Hydro". So much so that I was cheering when Davis was killing her and now deem him a hero just for killing her. I finally figured out how to redeem Davis/Doomsday, have him kill Linda Lakes over and over.

Ahhhh, simply awesome.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

He broke Clark's #1 rule: Do Not Kill.

[Fallen One]

He crossed the line the moment he hid those body parts in a dumpster. He was already a murderer. But its good that the writers are now going to make it crystal clear that he has no problem murdering people, even when he's not in beast form.

[InspectorOlsen]

It's the point of no return! He's so dead.

[sithius]

He broke Clark's #1 rule: Do Not Kill.

Really don't think that bothers him... considering he's going to kill Superman one day. ;)

[FlashInSV]

Well, the fact his eyes were still red clearly indicates that the showrunners meant for Doomsday to be Linda's killer, not Davis. However, since he threw the pills away afterward, it makes me think that Davis deliberately chose to give in, and thus Linda's death is on his head as well. Both beings within him are equally to blame.


ITA.

[kp1984]

Davis was never real. Kal-El was really Clark because he was raised by the Kents, but Doomsday was a test-tube Kryptonian who was just confused most of his life.

Just think what if the Kents found Davis in the field. Faro did say he was on the ship that bought Clark to earth.

[chlo-el]

Well, the fact his eyes were still red clearly indicates that the showrunners meant for Doomsday to be Linda's killer, not Davis. However, since he threw the pills away afterward, it makes me think that Davis deliberately chose to give in, and thus Linda's death is on his head as well. Both beings within him are equally to blame.

It looked like he was in the middle of transforming but before he did completely he killed her. It looked like he was just waking up from a blackout but then realized that killing would stop the transformations. I don't think he chose to give in. But chose to perhaps keep on killing people to stop the transformations. That's what the whole throwing away pills thing looked like to me. So I don't think he crossed the line until he threw a way the pills. He didn't make a choice until he threw away the pills.

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He crossed the line the moment he hid those body parts in a dumpster. He was already a murderer. But its good that the writers are now going to make it crystal clear that he has no problem murdering people, even when he's not in beast form.

They are not making crystal clear that he's a monster. He's been trying hard and suffering to try to stop the monster. If he was so keen on being a murder he wouldn't be trying to take the pills and stop the transformations. The way his face looked when he did it looked like it cause him pain.

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He broke Clark's #1 rule: Do Not Kill.

He's not Clark. He's not a hero if anything he's a vigalante.

[Showmaster]

Even if he knew, the ***** had it comin..

[SupermanRox]

It was Doomsday taking more and more control. And yes, Davis made a conscious decision to embrace his destiny right then and there. Point of no return.

ITA.

[Isabel14]

I think he became conscious of who is he.. Now, if I'm thinking all he cares about now would be chloe and killing Clark

[LoveHurts38]

It was Dooms.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Okay. Here's where I'm at on this one. Bear with me. It's the METHOD of murder that made me post this thread. And here's why:

When Doomsday the monster is killing he basically shreds people. He lashes out indiscriminately with the bloodlust of a born predator. And even then he's not really a predator, because he's not killing for FOOD. It's murder for the sake of murder because that's what he was genetically created to do, right?

Smothering someone with a PILLOW is different. First up, you have to understand WHY smothering someone with a pillow kills them. That suggests cognitive thought. If I hold the pillow down over her face I will starve her of oxygen and she will die. It's a very personal form of murder too and - not that murder is ever humane - but it IS a more humane murder than ripping her apart limb from limb. What Doomsday does is brutal, one would assume that the victims feel the pain of being torn from limb to limb until he hits a vital organ or they bleed out. It's barbaric. What Davis did to Linda, was relatively painless.

And THAT to me is more Davis than Doomsday. Davis the paramedic tries to help people, he tries to ease their suffering, he's an intelligent man in the medical profession. Now granted he didn't inject her with something and put her to sleep like an animal, BUT he didn't rip her limb from limb either, despite the fact she was tied down and goading him.

So to me it's obvious he was still fighting what happened - as seen by the red eyes - BUT at the same time he WAS cognitive and he DID know what he was doing and he DID come back from the edge of transformation with a heck of a lot more speed than before. Add the tablets to that and to me the line seems to have been well and truly blurred even before we take into consideration that he thought to LOCK THE DOOR before it happened. He KNEW what he was going to do. And it's not like he was a vigilante hunting someone down to bring them to justice, because she'd ALREADY been brought to justice by the very fact she was tied down to the bed so she couldn't escape and had said she was being taken to prison. Why would anyone believe her? She's a one time gossip columnist/sensationalist guilty of murder herself...

So it's a difficult one for me. But I do think the line was crossed with this one. I had more sympathy for him when he had no choice in the matter.

[chlo-el]

I think that he was inbetween He was about to transform into Doomsday but then killed Linda Lake. So it was him that killed her to protect himself from exsosure. A little bit. But his eyes were red which suggest it wasn't him and Davis seemed surprsied what he did. It looked like he was waking up from a black out. So it looked like Linda drawed out the transformation but then when he killed her the transformation stopped. So I think it was partly Doomsday and partly Davis.

[skugers]

Okay. Here's where I'm at on this one. Bear with me. It's the METHOD of murder that made me post this thread. And here's why:

When Doomsday the monster is killing he basically shreds people. He lashes out indiscriminately with the bloodlust of a born predator. And even then he's not really a predator, because he's not killing for FOOD. It's murder for the sake of murder because that's what he was genetically created to do, right?

Smothering someone with a PILLOW is different. First up, you have to understand WHY smothering someone with a pillow kills them. That suggests cognitive thought. If I hold the pillow down over her face I will starve her of oxygen and she will die. It's a very personal form of murder too and - not that murder is ever humane - but it IS a more humane murder than ripping her apart limb from limb. What Doomsday does is brutal, one would assume that the victims feel the pain of being torn from limb to limb until he hits a vital organ or they bleed out. It's barbaric. What Davis did to Linda, was relatively painless.

And THAT to me is more Davis than Doomsday. Davis the paramedic tries to help people, he tries to ease their suffering, he's an intelligent man in the medical profession. Now granted he didn't inject her with something and put her to sleep like an animal, BUT he didn't rip her limb from limb either, despite the fact she was tied down and goading him.

So to me it's obvious he was still fighting what happened - as seen by the red eyes - BUT at the same time he WAS cognitive and he DID know what he was doing and he DID come back from the edge of transformation with a heck of a lot more speed than before. Add the tablets to that and to me the line seems to have been well and truly blurred even before we take into consideration that he thought to LOCK THE DOOR before it happened. He KNEW what he was going to do. And it's not like he was a vigilante hunting someone down to bring them to justice, because she'd ALREADY been brought to justice by the very fact she was tied down to the bed so she couldn't escape and had said she was being taken to prison. Why would anyone believe her? She's a one time gossip columnist/sensationalist guilty of murder herself...

So it's a difficult one for me. But I do think the line was crossed with this one. I had more sympathy for him when he had no choice in the matter.
Annie, you beat me on this one! I wanted to say the same thing, but you did a great job in explaining it yourself.
Doomsday would never have killed Linda Lake using a pillow!!!!!
He chops people, for God's sake!!
So it's pretty clear, IMO, that David took the situation (pillow LOL) in his own hands in order to prevent himself from turning into Doomsday again :D, in that hospital

[Timester]

They are not making crystal clear that he's a monster. He's been trying hard and suffering to try to stop the monster. If he was so keen on being a murder he wouldn't be trying to take the pills and stop the transformations. The way his face looked when he did it looked like it cause him pain.

Trying hard? He is walking on town, dumping body parts and choking bit**** that know his secret.

Trying hard would be if he turned himself to the authorities or hiding in the middle of the Sahara.

[F..l]

It was Doomy I think - red eyes http://www.smallville-cz.com/phpBB3/images/smilies/evil1.gif http://www.smallville-cz.com/phpBB3/posting.php?mode=smilies&f=58#

[disciples of zod]

the red eyes gave it away. totally. i think Davis is turning more and more into Doomsday every time we see him. bring it on! i can't wait.

~H

[e-µ-i]

Second option. I enjoyed that scene so much ! One of the best endings ever ! Ugly Linda Lake is dead, awesome Davis is giving into Doomsday and his true origin :)

Btw, I think he threw the pills because of 2 possible reasons:
1. he found out that the devil inside him can be controlled, and that pills have nothing to do with it
2. he found out that he can only stop the transformation by annihilating the source of the threat that makes him angry and awakens the beast...

[justme_007]

i have to admit it ... i laught in that scene... i want to see more doomsday!!!!!! :eek:

[zorasuperman]

no it seems more like a monster within

[candor]

he looked pretty suprised once he relised she was dead.

[defga]

the way i see it, the killing as Davis held the beast at bay. Maybe acting out on his rage keeps his demons down because he's not fighting them. Unfortunately, if he keeps acting on this rage, there will be no distinction between the two

[Sunny8]

He crossed the line the moment he hid those body parts in a dumpster. He was already a murderer. But its good that the writers are now going to make it crystal clear that he has no problem murdering people, even when he's not in beast form.

Oh, I forgot about that. Yes, he did cross the line then.

[marcella]

I think he knew what he was doing

[Skaterpen357]

The thing about SV Bloomsday is that Davis and Doomsday really aren't two different people. Davis may try to pretend he isn't Doomsday, that Doomsday is some other entity that happens to inhabit his body, but Davis IS Doomsday, and Doomsday is Davis. In "Bride," DD was able to get the word "Chloe" out before taking her--at most, if Doomsday was a purely non-Davis entity, he would have said "Brainiac." Davis' consciousness is Doomsday's consciousness; anytime Davis does anything, that's literally Doomsday acting. It's just that as Davis, Doomsday tries to be good and is somewhat self-loathing. As Doomsday, he casts aside his inhibitions, much like Clark on Red K. He embraces his genetic impulse to kill, and even if he can't remember exactly what happened when in his Davis form, he is still himself.

All that said, I think red-eyed Davis is the Doomsday "aspect" of this being affecting the Davis "aspect's" morals. Ultimately, Davis Bloom Doomsday is fighting himself. As cloisthelegendbegins brought up, the method in which Davis kills Linda is completely un-Doomsday-like. It does take cognitive thought and active concentration to murder someone in a way that isn't simply slashing them open. However, were he fully Davis, he would not have killed Linda. What this means to me is that the "Davis" and "Doomsday" aspects of Davis Bloom Doomsday's personalities are aligning more clearly. Basically, in this scene, this being performs a deed worthy of Doomsday in a method and for reasons appropriate to Davis. They are not two beings fighting for control; he is one being, trying to deny an aspect of his personality. And when he murders Linda, the two aspects of his personality come together in the form of red-eyed Davis.

But that's just me. Anyone follow any of that?

[Dominicus]

Trying hard? He is walking on town, dumping body parts and choking bit**** that know his secret.

Trying hard would be if he turned himself to the authorities or hiding in the middle of the Sahara.Exactly, he knows he's killing people, but he keeps covering up the crimes, washing his blood-stained hands. Then helping people out of guilt as paramedic, to ease his conscience, but at the same risk exposing them to Dooms. If he were really concerned with this werewolf syndrome, why not become a recluse away from people? In a word, he's being selfish, he is already doomsday, the boney protrusions is just an illusion to what is already there.

[e-µ-i]

Exactly, he knows he's killing people, but he keeps covering up the crimes, washing his blood-stained hands. Then helping people out of guilt as paramedic, to ease his conscience, but at the same risk exposing them to Dooms. If he were really concerned with this werewolf syndrome, why not become a recluse away from people? In a word, he's being selfish, he is already doomsday, the boney protrusions is just an illusion to what is already there.

Absolutely correct :cool:

[superjude]

But with him becoming Doomsday, it is completely not a surprise.

[lifelovedestiny]

I think it was Doomsday that killed Linda. His eyes were red, and the shocked look on his face after his eyes went back to normal and he saw he killed her, tells me he wasn't fully in control.

[Watching Smallville]

Well, the fact his eyes were still red clearly indicates that the showrunners meant for Doomsday to be Linda's killer, not Davis. However, since he threw the pills away afterward, it makes me think that Davis deliberately chose to give in, and thus Linda's death is on his head as well. Both beings within him are equally to blame.

You said exactly what I was thinking. And after he had killed her, his eyes went back to normal. He now knows that connection. Hence, no need for the pills. That was a very intentional action.

[supercatmom]

Sorry -- I'll lay my sarcasm on a bit heavier next time ;)

ITA - lol when I first read your post.
This was a turning point for Davis when he realized that by killing someone he could stop the transformation into Doomsday.
He threw the meds away b/c he now knows that he can stop transforming into Doomsday just by killing a person. Case solved.