Are You Mad Clark stood Lois up?

[Azure Trayl]

What drives me crazy is that he's mopey when he's not with someone and the chance someone wants to be with him, he's suddenly all insecure. I think it's all in the chase and Clark only wants to be doing the chasing.

[RedKRules]

I liked how Clark handled it , at least he was being honest and was not giving himself or Lois false hopes, after all he just got out of a painful relationship with Lana.

[vyperman7]

I thought the ending was perfect. If they can keep up that kind of tension the rest of the season without showing any actual romance, I will be satisfied. I am hoping that Clark continues to deal with his feelings for Lana on screen and is constantly in conflict with it over Lois. I didn't really care for the scene with Chloe and Clark where Chloe mentions "all that time after Lana left" in an off-screen development type of situation. I hate it when the writers take the easy way out and expect the viewers to accept time passing because of a hiatus, instead of actually showing what the character is going through on screen.

[Showmaster]

Why couldn't he just go over?

LAME!

[Carla89]

i hvent read most of the inputs on this link yet, but i just wanted to quickly throw my input in here.
some ppl seem upset that lois asked him for coffee, saying instead of staying mad she was too forgiving. i disagree here on the point that lois wasn't asking him out on a date. clark felt that the "almost kiss" was an important talk and not to just be said in a hurry on the stairs. so in response, she gave him an alternative to saying "let's forget about it" right away, like she proposed. meet up with me and we'll talk it over, or not come and thus agree on the "let's forget about it". in the end, he caved. and said no.

why didn't he come to a seemingly simple coffee and more importantly why didn't he refuse to tell lois again that indeed he is the red blue blur? (god that's starting to get annoying) well...if you consider how he side-stepped chloe (recall her stunned "speaking of which?" when he ignored her and mentioned the legion ring) and told lois with a subtle grin (finaly being upfront about it, not having to deal with the aftermath) about how she was special...take it was a compliment.
he knows he harbors sth special for lois, he doesn't want to confront it yet though because firstly lana just left and secondly because his gut IMO is telling him it's too important and too early to mess things up in a hurry.
clark needs time and so does lois, but now we know he knows...and isn't that ignorance what we wanted wiped away for a while now? thus, im happy.

[Tompouce]

After the events of Requiem he couldn't do anything else.Right now he can't give her what she wants.He didn't even arrange the meeting at the coffee shop.That was all Lois who by the way sort of told him that she wasn't expecting him to show up.Time is on their side guys,don't worry.At the moment we had to establish where they stand.I think it's a good place for now considering tha damage that Lana's return did.
ITA. The end was perfect. Perfect acting, perfect music, perfect Tom (:p:p:p), perfect Erica, perfect atmosphere (the coffee shop with lights and all). Did I say "perfect" ?:D

[Smallville Fan 187]

Even though I know Clois cant be rushed, I was still heartbroken for Lois in the last scene.

I wished I could have had a coffee with her instead ;)

Felt so sad for her....come on guys show your appreciation for Lois!

[eas]

What exactly happened? we dont know if she knows about the Clana fiasco, so TPTB had nothing to have Lois being just fine with.

That said, i thought Lois would have her guard up, aparently she has a really OCC soft spot for the farm boy:\ .

I disagree. She even says to him that he barely spoke two words to her the whole trip home. And that he only left her 3 ten-second voicemails the whole time was gone. (Which would coincide with Lana's trip and Lois is not stupid, she knows this). I think there is plenty she could have been angry about, if was so prone to be.

I'm double minded about this. I guess I can I kind of see Lois going, "Well, Lana left and they're clearly over. So they worked out their problems in a way where they ended up breaking up for good." So, she decides to ask him out for coffee to address the weirdness between them.

But, I can also the flip side where Lois gets mad that he ignored her the whole time Lana was around & she's not willing to go there with him.

My sense is that the "airport pick-up" was a test. In the first go-around, he failed the test, so she shut down. In the second go-around, he passed the test, so she put herself out there and decided to see what was going with them.

Something to note, though, is that Lois was going to let it be swept under the rug. She says that they should ignore it... she gives him an out. He responds, "I think this is a complicated conversation." THAT'S when she issues the coffee invite. He gave her an opening.

If Clark was completely un-interested, he would have responded, "Yeah, things were weird... let's just forget it." And he would have sighed in relief. Lois gave him that chance. HE chose not to take it.

And, at the end, we're shown this conflict in him more, because he goes to meet her & chickens out at the last minute. He watches her when she reads his text. He's surprised (and taken aback) by her response to him... and kind if disappointed, because it's like he just figured out that he did something stupid that he can't un-do.

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The problem that I have is that Lois freaked out too much in the beginning over Clark not picking her up that I was actually hoping that her freak out had more to do with what went on prior to her leaving. But, I guess that she was just upset that he didn't pick her up. You're right, though. Since Lois doesn't know what happened when she was gone, it's hard for her to be that upset.

I think she had every right to be upset at him for the pick-up.


I don't think that Clark meeting her for coffee would necessarily mean that he's just moving on to Lois. I was actually hoping that he would meet her there so that they can catch up and then he could explain to her that he's not ready for another relationship at this point. That would make Clark look mature and most importantly, it would eliminate the angst that quite frankly, I don't need to see with Clois since I've seen enough of it with Clana. YMMV.

I agree... I thought he'd sit down with her and tell her that he was still reeling from Lana break-up. She'd shrug it off & they'd move on. And, then, later on, we'd see that Clark actually is falling for Lois, but he just can't do anything about it, because he's afraid of being hurt. And Lois, for her part, will have moved on and doesn't want to go there again, because she's also afraid of being hurt.

I thought we were past this stage of Clark standing there and soulfully gazing at his love interest while angsty ballads play in the background. I was very disappointed to see that Clark hasn't changed, at all, and that they're now dragging Lois into this sort of stuff, too.

[SupermanRox]

I agree. All of the girls could get together and have coffee with Lois. She was so pitiful sitting there alone waiting for Clark.

[devilicus rebel]

even though i know clois cant be rushed, i was still heartbroken for lois in the last scene.

I wished i could have had a coffee with her instead ;)

felt so sad for her....come on guys show your appreciation for lois!


amen to that!

[LoveHurts38]

I will have cofee with Lo and talk about fun things and watch a movie Batman.

[LoisLaneKicksAss]

i was SOOOO MAD!! i was yelling at Clark through the TV: "CROSS THE STREET CROSS THE STREET CROSS THE STREET!" and then when he didn't i was really pissed off. grrrrrrr.

[cklookalike89]

The whole episode pissed me off and the ending just made it even worse. I dont understand the writers at all right now...

[ClumsyGRL]

ok, i rarely post... but this time i had to give my two cents......
i loved this scene so much, i still don't understand why people are upset with it....

to me lois wasn't occ at all. i mean, she's so upfront she would never let this"thing" between her and clark stall no more than necessarie!she had a lot of time to think about them, don't forget that to her clark has a "peter pan sindrome", he does not want to grow up and face things between them! But lois is sooo in love with him that no matter how immature clark still is, or how high her walls are she will always lower them down for clark instinctivle,and ask him for cofee show us exactly that!!!

That is why i loved her reaction when she received his message, she wasn't upset or ungry or desapointed, it was almost as if she predicted it, so, she's hurt and when she realised it, she shook her head leaving everything beyind and decided to send him that text like saying "it's ok i wasn't serious anyway, even if i had the time i don't think i would make it either..."

As for clark, wow, he's serious mess up but he was kind of grown up in this scene.

I mean, he get dressed up and went all the way there, look to her like if he was apreensive with their future! he did not not went there because of what happened with lana or because of his insecurites or because he still trying to figure out if he loves her or not. he is there already, he loves her not the "iconic" love but still.... he think she's special!!!!
Lois have the power to make clark belive he can be/do everything, it's not a good thing because he's convinced that he can´t! Clark WAS THERE, he wanted to be there but then he look to her and realise that she doesn't deserve only half of him(if they went on that road), she's the only person in his life that knows him deeply and aren't involved with the all alien stuff. he doesn´t want to lose that, not when it only has down sides like lois getting in more troubles than usual, him having one more person to fail just like he think he failed his father, mother,lana, chloe, peter and yes even lex....

But he WAS THERE!!!!he didn't made his decision when he send that message to her cause he didin´t leave then, he stood there waiting for her to aswer, pondering if it was the right thing to do, only when he sees her message: ..."couldn't make it anyway" and that she's lying(of course), he get cold at her text, he walks away knowing for sure he made the right decision!
Lois lane is to special for him to screw everything that they already have, she is lois lane for pete's sake!
So i want ps3 to take Clois slow and show us why clois will turn into "iconic clois", cause best things are worst waiting for!!!

[Isabel14]

I'm sad and dissapointed. I was angry and upset, because Lois suffered..and a lot..

[supes0]

I'm double minded about this. I guess I can I kind of see Lois going, "Well, Lana left and they're clearly over. So they worked out their problems in a way where they ended up breaking up for good." So, she decides to ask him out for coffee to address the weirdness between them.

I agree. I think she was incredibly brave. She knows he doesn't feel as deeply as she does, but she is strong and doesn't back away from conflict.

He's surprised (and taken aback) by her response to him... and kind if disappointed, because it's like he just figured out that he did something stupid that he can't un-do.

I agree. I think the reason he didn't go over there was he didn't know what to do. He couldn't say he's not interested (hence the complicated conversation) but at the same time he can't go forward for many reasons. It's not just Lana related, he also doesn't want to tell her the truth about him.

So what does he do? What he always does, avoids.

I'm not always on board with Welling's Clark, but when he clenched his jaw after reading the text, I was impressed. I felt at that moment, he knew she wasn't going to wait for him anymore, and this is where the "be careful what you wish for" lyrics made sense to me.

He made the right choice for him for the moment, but the wrong choice in the long run. He will have to work to fix it, and without preciou...I mean the ring. :lol:



I think she had every right to be upset at him for the pick-up.

Definitely!!

[Kal-ed]

. I don't think that Clark meeting her for coffee would necessarily mean that he's just moving on to Lois. I was actually hoping that he would meet her there so that they can catch up and then he could explain to her that he's not ready for another relationship at this point. That would make Clark look mature and most importantly, it would eliminate the angst that quite frankly, I don't need to see with Clois since I've seen enough of it with Clana. YMMV.

Well, although its true that if Clark showed up, it doesnt mean Clois and that they could have catched up and talked and so on but it seemed like a very loaded invitation, even if she tried to do it nonchalantly, it sort of came out as basically as a "you show up your in, you dont, your out" scenario and Clark´s not ready to be "in" right now.

[Doomsday44]

Well, although its true that if Clark showed up, it doesnt mean Clois and that they could have catched up and talked and so on but it seemed like a very loaded invitation, even if she tried to do it nonchalantly, it sort of came out as basically as a "you show up your in, you dont, your out" scenario and Clark´s not ready to be "in" right now.

Exactly! And even if he did show up, u know a ton of fans would be complaining how he goes from Lana to Lois within one episode. It needs to happen naturally. And I think now Clark is going to regret it and he will be the one chasing Lois.

[SuperheroFan87]

I'm not sure Clark realizes (STILL) just how much he hurt Lois on that dance floor, nor does he realize the depth of Lois' feelings (which I wish she didn't have!:mad:)!
His reasoning for stating, "Lois can never know my secret..." IS absolutely ridiculous!
I'm not liking the way his character has been written here lately. There was ONLY one point in last night's episode that I was proud of him, in which he looked supermanly, and that was his spill to Chloe about revealing his secret to the public. He made a decision and stuck to his guns. Yes, it backfired, but at least he made the decision and followed through!
This is completely a set up to the iconic triangle of Lois/Clark/RBB(Superman)....and while I'm happy TPTB are going the mythos route by doing this, I'm less than pleased that it will come across as angsty on Smallville. :(
This show continues to disappoint me....*sighs*

First, on an unrelated note, I LOVE THE AVI!!!!!:D:D:D

Second, this is how I view what went down...........I can actually kind of understand where Clark is coming from. You could see it in his eyes that he has strong feelings for Lois (he wouldn't have been standing across the street, and dressed formally if he didn't feel something towards her). He is scared for her because she got hurt in the alternate timeline, he wants to protect her. Besides, if a full blown romance started last night Lois would be seen as a rebound girl and Clark would be seen as desperate, and he has been dragged through the dirt enough (see episodes 13-14 of S8). Also, if he wants to start a romantic relationship then he needs to give himself fully to her and be completely honest with her about everything and right now this just isn't something he is ready to do, in Season 9 I think he will definitely come clean with her but not now. If I may use this "Dark Knight" quote to illustrate my point--"Batman is the hero that Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now." In this sense, Lois is the girl that Clark deserves, but not the one he is ready for right now. Also, that is the sacrifice of being a hero..........making choices you don't want to necessarily make to protect those around you from harm.

[myankskent]

Well, although its true that if Clark showed up, it doesnt mean Clois and that they could have catched up and talked and so on but it seemed like a very loaded invitation, even if she tried to do it nonchalantly, it sort of came out as basically as a "you show up your in, you dont, your out" scenario and Clark´s not ready to be "in" right now.

I guess, but I was still hoping that Clark would go there and set the record straight on the way that he felt. I guess that by not having Clark talk about his feelings, since they likely have to do with Lana, it will make things less complicated for Clois later on since Lois won't have any detailed information on what happened between Clana. As of now, if Clark told Lois that he wants to date her, they'd be dating so it's just a matter of when Clark decides to tell her.

[supes0]

As of now, if Clark told Lois that he wants to date her, they'd be dating so it's just a matter of when Clark decides to tell her.

I disagree, her face saving lie slammed the door right back on him.

ETA:

Thinking about this, if he did tell her about Lana and how they parted (reluctantly), it would hang over the relationship, how could she believe he wouldn't leave if Lana came back. Obviously, at some point, she is going to know how the Clana story ended, but when he does tell her, it'll be with a different perspective. He'll tell her knowing she is the one he truly loves. Right now, he can't say that.

I'm not holding my breath but perhaps we're on a road of redemption, not just for Clark but for Clark & Lois as a couple. Clark made the wrong choice, but at least from his final reaction he knows he's throwing something important away.

[Kal-ed]

I disagree. She even says to him that he barely spoke two words to her the whole trip home. And that he only left her 3 ten-second voicemails the whole time was gone. (Which would coincide with Lana's trip and Lois is not stupid, she knows this). I think there is plenty she could have been angry about, if was so prone to be. .

I guess we´ll have to agree to diagree. She sure noticed something was wrong, but if she didnt watch Power-Requiem as we didnt, I dont see how she could make that leap. How does she know Lana didnt leave right after she was gone, or right after Chloe resurfaced, how does Lois know how long Lana´s trip was? Yes we can asume Chloe told her every detail, we can asume Chloe told her just some of the stuff but asuming Chloe decided not to tell anything to Lois, so she wouldnt get hurt (we saw her worried about this in Bulletproof) is just as good a guess. So untill we know exactly what Lois´s knows, we cant really say if she should or shouldt be angry.



I'm double minded about this. I guess I can I kind of see Lois going, "Well, Lana left and they're clearly over. So they worked out their problems in a way where they ended up breaking up for good." So, she decides to ask him out for coffee to address the weirdness between them.
Again this would require presuming that Lois knows that Lana stayed for a long period of time and that she chose to believe that Clark and Lana gave it a nother go.


But, I can also the flip side where Lois gets mad that he ignored her the whole time Lana was around & she's not willing to go there with him.
We dont know if Lois knows the length of Lana´s stay in Smallville.


My sense is that the "airport pick-up" was a test. In the first go-around, he failed the test, so she shut down. In the second go-around, he passed the test, so she put herself out there and decided to see what was going with them.

I didnt thing about it like that but now that you say it, it does sound like it.


Something to note, though, is that Lois was going to let it be swept under the rug. She says that they should ignore it... she gives him an out. He responds, "I think this is a complicated conversation." THAT'S when she issues the coffee invite. He gave her an opening.
I think this is the only thing that kind of anoyed me the most about Clark not showing up, is that he had the chance to chicken out and he chose not to but then eventually he did, this time at her expense.


If Clark was completely un-interested, he would have responded, "Yeah, things were weird... let's just forget it." And he would have sighed in relief. Lois gave him that chance. HE chose not to take it.
IMO this is clear proof that he does care but that he´s scared, he could have gotten over this whole Lois thing if right there and he didnt.


And, at the end, we're shown this conflict in him more, because he goes to meet her & chickens out at the last minute. He watches her when she reads his text. He's surprised (and taken aback) by her response to him... and kind if disappointed, because it's like he just figured out that he did something stupid that he can un-doUOTE]

I think that in more ways than one, he realized just how screwed up he is when it comes to relationship, still him being wary about letting his guard down is understandable right after the Clana fiasco and since we dont know if Lois knows or not or to what does she know, its only natural that it would be Clark the more reluctant one, again Im happy Clark didnt jump into the CLois, and Im glad, neither did the writers, it shows that they didnt just shrug off the Clana as if it hadnt happened, it will have its nasty consecuences.




[QUOTE]I think she had every right to be upset at him for the pick-up. Totally, plus its said that he didnt even call to say he wouldnt be able to make it.



I agree... I thought he'd sit down with her and tell her that he was still reeling from Lana break-up. She'd shrug it off & they'd move on. And, then, later on, we'd see that Clark actually is falling for Lois, but he just can't do anything about it, because he's afraid of being hurt. And Lois, for her part, will have moved on and doesn't want to go there again, because she's also afraid of being hurt.

As I was telling Myankskent, I think Lois loaded the invitation, perhaps unintentionally but it sounded like sort of an ultimatum, you show up your intrested, you dont, your not. There wasnt a third option which is what Clark would have chosen which is "Im very confused and Ive recently been hurt so lets take it one step at a time". Dunno perhaps I read too much into Lois´s words but that´s how it sounded to me and the way she was impatiently waiting for him, certainly didnt help the meeting for cofee look any less grave.


I thought we were past this stage of Clark standing there and soulfully gazing at his love interest while angsty ballads play in the background. I was very disappointed to see that Clark hasn't changed, at all, and that they're now dragging Lois into this sort of stuff, too

I thought we were past a lot of things but season 9 is up so some stalling is to be expected and we know they´ve been filming episodes as if 9 was a lock even before it was.

I think that´s their idea of romance, I just hope they dont Clanify Clois too much and not loose the banter and comical feel to the ship Stiletto sounds like a fun episode that will adress Clois as well, and for the sound of it, it will have a comedic feel to it so I wouldnt worry about it all being angst

[melissan02]

First, on an unrelated note, I LOVE THE AVI!!!!!:D:D:D

Second, this is how I view what went down...........I can actually kind of understand where Clark is coming from. You could see it in his eyes that he has strong feelings for Lois (he wouldn't have been standing across the street, and dressed formally if he didn't feel something towards her). He is scared for her because she got hurt in the alternate timeline, he wants to protect her. Besides, if a full blown romance started last night Lois would be seen as a rebound girl and Clark would be seen as desperate, and he has been dragged through the dirt enough (see episodes 13-14 of S8). Also, if he wants to start a romantic relationship then he needs to give himself fully to her and be completely honest with her about everything and right now this just isn't something he is ready to do, in Season 9 I think he will definitely come clean with her but not now. If I may use this "Dark Knight" quote to illustrate my point--"Batman is the hero that Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now." In this sense, Lois is the girl that Clark deserves, but not the one he is ready for right now. Also, that is the sacrifice of being a hero..........making choices you don't want to necessarily make to protect those around you from harm.Okay, now I completely understand! When you start speaking to me in "batman" terms, I'll always get it!;):D

Believe me, I didn't want Clark and Lois to get things jumped started in last night's episode. It certainly would have made Lois look like a re-bound girl, and that's not what I want for her.
I'm just fearful as to what TPTB will do with the Clois storyline from here on out and into season 9. :( Like I said, I've harped for weeks that I wanted TPTB to go the mythos route with Clois. It's far too much of an iconic storyline not to be done properly. It appears that's what they've decided to do with Clois, but, their version will have it filled with angst! Ugh! :rolleyes: I've had enough angst w/ the Clana relationship to do me for a lifetime! The iconic triangle of Lois/Clark/Superman was always lighthearted and fun...not angsty.

[Kal-ed]

Exactly! And even if he did show up, u know a ton of fans would be complaining how he goes from Lana to Lois within one episode. It needs to happen naturally. And I think now Clark is going to regret it and he will be the one chasing Lois.

Its pretty common that people dont know what they want till its gone, lets see how that affects Clark.

[melissan02]

Its pretty common that people dont know what they want till its gone, lets see how that affects Clark.Oooh. Good one!;)

[Night_Hawk90]

First, on an unrelated note, I LOVE THE AVI!!!!!:D:D:D

Second, this is how I view what went down...........I can actually kind of understand where Clark is coming from. You could see it in his eyes that he has strong feelings for Lois (he wouldn't have been standing across the street, and dressed formally if he didn't feel something towards her). He is scared for her because she got hurt in the alternate timeline, he wants to protect her. Besides, if a full blown romance started last night Lois would be seen as a rebound girl and Clark would be seen as desperate, and he has been dragged through the dirt enough (see episodes 13-14 of S8). Also, if he wants to start a romantic relationship then he needs to give himself fully to her and be completely honest with her about everything and right now this just isn't something he is ready to do, in Season 9 I think he will definitely come clean with her but not now. If I may use this "Dark Knight" quote to illustrate my point--"Batman is the hero that Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now." In this sense, Lois is the girl that Clark deserves, but not the one he is ready for right now. Also, that is the sacrifice of being a hero..........making choices you don't want to necessarily make to protect those around you from harm.

Wow i gotta say you hit the nail right on the head with this analogy.

[Kal-ed]

I guess, but I was still hoping that Clark would go there and set the record straight on the way that he felt. I guess that by not having Clark talk about his feelings, since they likely have to do with Lana, it will make things less complicated for Clois later on since Lois won't have any detailed information on what happened between Clana. As of now, if Clark told Lois that he wants to date her, they'd be dating so it's just a matter of when Clark decides to tell her.

As usual they are keeping Clana and Clois away from each other, I guess they want to have their cake and eat it, meaning they want to have their main couple (Clana) have its place yet Clois´s canon status prevail, there´s a reason Lois isnt around for any of the Clana episodes and its not the first time, everytime Clana is going on, Lois is barely around and they know that if Lois learns about the Clana fiasco it would be very hard for Lois to get over it, so perhaps they are trying to let Clark be the one working through that issue whith Lois in the dark.


As to Clark having the power to date Lois, I wouldnt be so sure after this scene, if Lois hasnt put all her walls back up, it will be OOC and anoying to watch, Lois per canon (in this show) isnt the kind to pine and wait for long, no reason to start now.

[melissan02]

I will have cofee with Lo and talk about fun things and watch a movie Batman.

Oh YAY!:D Can I join you since you're watching a Batman movie?? Let's watch The Dark Knight, okay?

[myankskent]

I disagree, her face saving lie slammed the door right back on him.


Without a doubt, but if Clark decided to declare his feelings for Lois, I think that she will give him a chance. She's only shutting the door on him because Clark is not returning her feelings at this point. Obviously, in the future, more stuff can complicate this situation and I'm sure it will given there will be a season 9, but everything seems pretty clear cut to me now. If Clark tells her that he wants her, a relationship will follow, IMO.




Thinking about this, if he did tell her about Lana and how they parted (reluctantly), it would hang over the relationship


I think that at this point, it should hang over their relationship because it is a big deal, IMO. If there was no near Clois kiss prior to Lana returning, I'd probably say that Clark doesn't have to tell Lois anything but I think that things went a little beyond the friendship stage with Clois and Lois needs to know how everything went down after she left, that way she can make a decision on what she wants to do and Clark will have to face the consequences of his actions in the Clana arc.

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As to Clark having the power to date Lois, I wouldnt be so sure after this scene, if Lois hasnt put all her walls back up, it will be OOC and anoying to watch, Lois per canon (in this show) isnt the kind to pine and wait for long, no reason to start now.

Well, that's kind of why I wasn't expecting Lois to be so quick to invite Clark out for coffee. She had just gotten hurt in "Bride" so I never in a million years thought that she would ask Clark out within 5 minutes of her returning to Metropolis, but it happened.

[lifelovedestiny]

Yes!!!!!! What was he thinking!!!??? It wasn't like she was proposing or anything. For a man who is so strong and invulnerable, he really is afraid of putting himself out there.

[supes0]

If Clark tells her that he wants her, a relationship will follow, IMO.

If he tells her right away, I agree. He's got a very narrow window of opportunity. However, the longer he delays, the further she'll move away from him.





I think that at this point, it should hang over their relationship because it is a big deal, IMO.


Oh, I agree. But I think the storytellers are purposefully trying to keep away from the Power/Requiem can of worms until they get far enough away from 'rebound' territory.



Clark will have to face the consequences of his actions in the Clana arc.

In a way, I think that is what is being set up. We'll have to see.

I don't like the way this story is unfolding, but I do see a method in this madness.

[Indira Kal]

no, not mad. he's just not exactly there yet, emotionally speaking, with regards to Lois. still fresh out of the final Lana phase, and like Chloe said, "trying to protect himself from getting hurt." once he lets down those walls and allows his feelings to evolve a bit more, he'll be A-okay with being on Lois' level. i think it's still too early in their "relationship" to consider it a "letdown," specifically because now they have a whole other season ahead to be able to grow into it and focus on it.

[F..l]

hell ... It was bad ... I am disapointed ... clak is stupid man with stupid excuse "work" :rolleyes::mad:

[disciples of zod]

yes i am mad...i'm not sure why he did, either!

~H

[ticker]

Well, I'm not mad and I definately see what Clark is thinking / coming from. That doesn't mean I approve. Nevertheless I think it sets the scene for some more Clois goodies :)

Also I have to respect the words of the song from that scene: "Put yourself in my shoes / Careful what you wish for love"


hell ... It was bad ... I am disapointed ... clak is stupid man with stupid excuse "work" :rolleyes::mad:

Actually I believe that by this he also will realize something... that he is hurting her. He knows they have to talk. He knows she's there waiting to talk. He's afraid not to harm her. Nevertheless he hurts her by not showing up. He/we can see that by her message... The fact is that he is about to realize some things. He does say that she is special. He knows that. She will probably back of and he'll have to be the one that pursues her - as I have predicted in Bride - he has / or is about to open his eyes.

[costas22]

hell ... It was bad ... I am disapointed ... clak is stupid man with stupid excuse "work" :rolleyes::mad:
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It's not as if women never use that excuse.If i had a dollar for every time a woman used the i have to work or i have to study excuse i would be a millionaire.In all seriousness,i think it set a nice tone.It added to the anticipation.Plus it was a very simplistic yet affective scene.I think somewhere along the way Smallville lost the motto that made it succesful in the past:the simplest can also be the sweetest.But with Lois and Clark they can still pull off scenes like that.It reminded me of the early days of Clana when the relationship was still fresh.For example,she would throw his flower in the garbage bin and it would get a message across.Now think back to Requiem and see how over the top things between them had become.So it was nice to see that kind of simplistic story telling again.

[bobby1984]

They r doing like they did clark and lana in the early seasons, they r leaving you hanging on, guessing and hoping if you are when the moment will be when she finds out and how it will come togther, i knida like it actually and it gives i little mystery behind there realtionship

[justme_007]

Nope. I learned my lesson with this stinkin' show!!:mad: I'm not mad.
Lois deserves better!;) I've said that since "Bulletproof"!!
I know just where she can find it...and with whom!!!;)

Batman is is :D i am a clana fan and even ME is annoyed with clark with his actitude toward Lois

[melissan02]

Batman is is :D i am a clana fan and even ME is annoyed with clark with his actitude toward Lois

:lol:Yes, Batman is :D:D and yep, I'm annoyed at how Clark and Clois are being written. Oh well...such is life I suppose. Nice to hear that from a Clana fan. Thanks.:)

[Kal-ed]

Batman is is :D i am a clana fan and even ME is annoyed with clark with his actitude toward Lois

Hmmm mabe you didnt realize it but you didnt like it cause now that Clark didnt jump into Lois´s arms, there´s actually a chance she´s not rebound or a second choice; that the writers actually have an arc planned to show why Lois is not just Clark´s consolation price, Im on to you:p j/k

[tornadobr]

They r doing like they did clark and lana in the early seasons, they r leaving you hanging on, guessing and hoping if you are when the moment will be when she finds out and how it will come togther, i knida like it actually and it gives i little mystery behind there realtionship

They have been doing the same about Lois and Clark since Erica joined the show. Honestly, Infamous destroyed all my will on continuing to see Smallville. This episode for me is the series finale. Smallville ends with Clark realizing no one can discover his secret so he never tells it to the most important person in his life: Lois. I can't stand waiting anymore. Years people! Years of that boring Lana(nothing against Kristin, but against the character). I have no interest on further episodes. Maybe I will watch the end of season nine, probably the end of the series to see if Lois and Clark finally get together but with this thing about killing two characters, and with the producer's super super smart brains, they are probably killing Lois! It would be no surprise. Zero for you Smallville producers. On a scale from 1 to 10. ZERO.

[melissan02]

Hmmm mabe you didnt realize it but you didnt like it cause now that Clark didnt jump into Lois´s arms, there´s actually a chance she´s not rebound or a second choice; that the writers actually have an arc planned to show why Lois is not just Clark´s consolation price, Im on to you:p j/k

:lol: I think perhaps they are setting things up that way. But they're choosing a helluva way to get there!! Geesh!:rolleyes:

[tornadobr]

Gonna do like Davis did to Linda. Suffocate the producers with a pillow. God, I'm so mad!

[ReallyCK]

I have never been so furious at our rookie superhero as I was last night. Watching Clark stand by while Lois wistfully waited at her table-for-one was even more excruciating than watching him turn aside from her kiss at Chloe's wedding. Sometimes I think the "man of steel" has a "heart of stone." What makes Clark's action, or rather, inaction, all the more disgraceful is the fact that he knew how Lois really felt - about him, about their relationship, and about his secret - after what she said to him in the barn before the big rewind. So Clark's trademark trepidation at how someone will react to his secret should no longer apply to Lois. Shouldn't that be enough for him to at least take the first step and share a drink at the cafe - knowing that this is someone who, when the time comes to reveal who he really is, will still be there right beside him? Lois has shown him her true mettle - he needs no x-ray vision to see it. Clark didn't have to ask her to marry him at that table; he just had to walk over and be the friend he has been - just with new possibilities ahead. As it was, he wasn't even a friend. And rather than the hero we know he can be, he instead took the coward's route, standing in the shadows. I, for one, hope our hero will step into Lois' light again soon. Until then, he won't be quite so super to me.

[Kal-ed]

A question to native english speakers, what did Lois mean when she talked about being down the hero road and taking U turns. I know what a U turn means and metaphors are not beyond me, meaning she was travelling a road and decided not to go that certain path and took a U turn, yet I didnt get what she meant, specially when she said, this is diferent; why was it diferent?? Maybe its not my english, maybe I just didnt get what she meant at all.

[LovelyLoisLane]

ITA. The end was perfect. Perfect acting, perfect music, perfect Tom (:p:p:p), perfect Erica, perfect atmosphere (the coffee shop with lights and all). Did I say "perfect" ?:D

I think so too. That was handled wonderfully. God I loved that scene, I've watched it well over a hundred times on YouTube. :P

Which is funny, because I seem to like it a lot more than some Cloisers. :P

I liked it a lot because both characters were trying to tell themselves something that I don't think is true.

Lois was trying to tell herself that it wasn't a big deal, and that she could brush that almost-kiss under the rug (or under the coffee table if you like that metaphor better) when it is obvious that it won't be that easy.

Clark was trying to tell himself that not getting close to Lois is the best thing for the both of them, but it was written on his face that things aren't that clear cut with him. It also makes a good deal of sense with some of the spoilers for Lois' next episode.

I do gotta say that the writers are definitely trying to sweep Lana under the rug, she wasn't even in the 'previously on Smallville' Clark's reaction to Chloe's one mention was almost non-existant and there was no other mention of the girl in the whole episode. I don't know how that is going to work in relation to Clois. Ignoring Clana doesn't mean it didn't happen, but I suppose if they are going to try and block that arc out then the second best thing is to handle Clois the way they did tonight.

So I'm pretty pleased with this episode and I ADORED the last scene. I may have found a replacement for Lolliepop. ;) Maybe.

[newbaggy]

A question to native english speakers, what did Lois mean when she talked about being down the hero road and taking U turns. I know what a U turn means and metaphors are not beyond me, meaning she was travelling a road and decided not to go that certain path and took a U turn, yet I didnt get what she meant, specially when she said, this is diferent; why was it diferent?? Maybe its not my english, maybe I just didnt get what she meant at all.

Every other time Lois has been with a man that she defines as a hero (like Oliver Queen), she breaks up with them because she is afraid that she will always come second to their heroism. With Clark, she didn't feel that - for once, she actually thought that she could have a lasting relationship with a hero.

[bigblueplanet]

I’m not mad. That last scene wasn’t even sad for me. I just felt really bad for Lois.

But I’m mad how they still keep overlapping Clois right after Clana. I mean why are we even talking about Clark’s feelings towards Lois here so soon? The context of the episode, yes, I know. But I mean, isn’t it just way too early for this Clark to even think about another woman at this point? This episode didn’t start with the letter which say; “one year later” so I assume SV time has passed as ours = about a month from Requiem. And as many of us predicted, Clark is not doing anything to search for a cure. Okay let’s move on and forget about that for the sake of the argument. But still, he looks very fickle in this episode to me. And no, I don’t want to see him bouncing the tennis ball against the wall at the barn, but all what I wanted to see from this Clark Kent is to show a little respect for Lois and tells her that he is not ready for exploring another relationship just yet and wants to go back being a good friends. No lies, no text massage but just tell her honestly face to face. This is the least he could do for a good friend he cares very much, isn’t it?

And I agree with Eddie here. I don’t think Lois knows what happened with him and Lana while she was away. She seems clueless. She gave him (& herself) a time and space to sort things out. How she could’ve known what he did with that? If I were Lois, the fact that Clark and Lana are not together now is enough evidence that they didn’t work out well & decided to part their way. AND Clark’s “it’s a pretty complicated conversation (WTH?!)” line lead her to invite him for a coffee. Lois saw he was confused about them so she offers him to put things on the table and talk about it. It’s all because HE invited her to do so actually, admitting it is complicated instead of just brush it off and forget almost-kiss ever happened just like Lois first suggested.

It’s just bad writing all around, IMO. I sure hope Lois moves on but I’m not sure about that either. Because Lois knows Clark is THE ONE for her it seems. I think she recognized the love of her life. So it is one-sided unfortunately, but will she give up? (I hope so) Okay, maybe this is where RBB comes in and take her affection to a whole new level. Ha. Good luck with that Clark.

[Jaderoyale]

I'm not.

[newbaggy]

I think so too. That was handled wonderfully. God I loved that scene, I've watched it well over a hundred times on YouTube. :P

Which is funny, because I seem to like it a lot more than some Cloisers. :P

The reaction of some Cloisers reminds me of an episode of Press Gang, an early-90s British TV show (created and written by new Doctor Who showrunner Steven Moffat) about a group of teenagers running a "junior" version of a local newspaper. A running subplot had Lois Lane-esque editor Lynda Day (aka "Attilla the Skirt") constantly denying her feelings for reporter Spike Thompson whilst he maintained his romantic pursuit of her. Finally, Lynda's assistant (and best friend) Kenny loses patience with the pair of them:

"You want to go out with each other. We all know that you want to go out with each other! So, here's a little suggestion off the top of my head: GO OUT WITH EACH OTHER!!!"

I think that there a few Cloisers who want to shout that at Lois and Clark!


I liked it a lot because both characters were trying to tell themselves something that I don't think is true.

Lois was trying to tell herself that it wasn't a big deal, and that she could brush that almost-kiss under the rug (or under the coffee table if you like that metaphor better) when it is obvious that it won't be that easy.

Clark was trying to tell himself that not getting close to Lois is the best thing for the both of them, but it was written on his face that things aren't that clear cut with him. It also makes a good deal of sense with some of the spoilers for Lois' next episode.


I think that the point is that both characters - subconsciously, at any rate - now know that this could be "The One". Therefore, every feeling is heightened, as is the fear of rejection. As audience members, we can watch thinking "why don't you tell each other how you feel, because you would both get what you want?" But for Lois and Clark, their insecurities mean that they can't do what we see as the obvious thing. The beauty of that last scene was that it illustrated the classic "so near, and yet so far": all Clark had to do was walk over to Lois; all Lois had to do was turn around, so that she could see Clark's face and he saw hers. But instead, they used text messages to pretend it never happened, and hide from each other how much they hurt.

[ColdPlay3r]

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
i dunno lol

[Dyanara]

Im just tired of Lois looking pathetic and unwanted by everybody

[marcella]

No, I think he is just afraid of entering in a new relationship

[jmd65]

The one bright spot in it for me, though I did love the scene and the atmosphere of the coffee shop and all, was that he was there. He could have sent that text from the Planet or from the barn but he showed up - and kind of dressed as if he was contemplating meeting her. It makes me wonder if sending the text and not walking over was a last minute decision, as if he wasn't really sure what he was going to do until he got there or if he decided against going over at the last minute. I am hoping that he does feel something and is doing this to protect her but I couldn't really read his reaction. Did feel sorry for Lois and was rooting for him to show up. As much as I'd love to see them together it didn't need to start last night. Would have been nice to just see them sit down and talk about anything really.

[PepsiMax]

Yes, because it was just coffee and it's not like she said 'let's be in a relationship.' Still it was nice that he had shown up anyway even if it was just to see if she were there...sure as hell says something!!

[Deana]

No I am not mad. The more he stands her up, the more Lois will fall out of love for him and that is a good thing . . . for her. Because who knows when another Lana bomb will come in for a landing.

[Var-Zol]

I was mad. It was just coffee.

[Alania]

Not so much, i mean, Clark still doesn't know what he feels for her, so he doesn't wanna talk. But the evolution :rolleyes: from "Lois is so Lois" to "You're special" has triggered my anger.

[LovelyLoisLane]

The beauty of that last scene was that it illustrated the classic "so near, and yet so far": all Clark had to do was walk over to Lois; all Lois had to do was turn around, so that she could see Clark's face and he saw hers. But instead, they used text messages to pretend it never happened, and hide from each other how much they hurt.

Exactly! I think I said that before myself about it being so close and yet so far, a very popular set up in dramatic romances and definitely I can see SV using that as they progress forward.

It isn't overly angsty and yet it lets some viewers, such as myself, level with what the characters are feeling, being afraid to take even the smallest step as we worry what kind of ripples can come from even the tiniest of pebbles.

I don't think they imagine that one another are 'the one' so to speak, it is too early for that kind of realisation and the relationship isn't that advanced (not to mention Lois is already the kind of girl to hide her feelings and Clark just came from another breakup with the 'infamous' Lana), but I do think they both know that there is something very different about them in relation to eachother. That was made clear when they were talking in the barn, where Lois saw Clark as different from those that came before, and Clark did not think he could tell Lois because she was special. That difference is daunting and pile that with Clark thinking that Lois is too special to endager with his secret (at least that is the conclusion I've reached in trying to figure out his reasoning from what he said to her in the barn, and about her with Chloe on the street scene later) and it is no wonder he was fighting against going to have coffee. Even something that seems so simple is still one step in a direction he doesn't think he should go and beyond that, when Lois offered to put what almost happened in 'Bride' behind them and be all buddy buddy, Clark said right there at the DP that it was a complicated conversation. Even just to have coffee, I don't think Clark knows what to say her to right now.

That is what I got from it anyway, maybe I'm being overly dramatic. But Lois offered him a very easy out and he did not take it. Anyone can want him to be disinterested all they like, but he was not disinterested or he would have most definitely taken that out and would have just told her he wouldn't come or would've sent her a text message before hand. I'm sorry but as much as people want to call Clark dense, he isn't that dense and he isn't that much of a jerk either. I have every confidence and certain to my bones that he didn't know what he was going to do until he did it, but that he isn't willing to sweep it under the rug, and neither is he willing to take that one extra step. He is caught where Lois herself is, at an impasse right now. I imagine it can be frustrating to some fans and I certainly can't make anyone not be frustrated, just like I can't make any other viewer see the scene the way I did (though I'll admit that I wish I could; make the world a happier place and all that :p)

One thing this made me very positive about, and I'm glad . . . Clark does not think of Lois as a rebound or a second choice, because he doesn't know what he thinks or feels for her right now.

So I am not mad at Clark, and I don't pity Lois. There is nothing for me to be mad at Clark for and there is no reason for me to pity Lois, and she wouldn't like it if I did anyway. ;) I do feel for both of them, and adore the pair of them so much that I'm surprised by my reaction. I was smiling that wistful smile usually saved for those that are in love, the whole time I watched that ending and the hundred times I rewatched it afterwards. I'm quite happy over here. The writers didn't earn a free pass from the horrible mini-arc that came before this, but they did bring me roses and gourmet chocolates to apologize with 'Infamous' I don't like chocolate, but it is the thought that counts. :P For once, it isn't just Lois who has become a favorite. Clark had a rough patch before this, but he has reclaimed his place in my heart for this season. I adored him the whole episode. Now they just gotta keep it up until the finale.

[herolee10]

well I've heard some argue that they shouldn't slow down the Clois buildup after the 4 years they've known each other, however, I'd like to remind folks that it wasn't until late last season where Lois started to develop feelings for Clark, with Clark only know really following up on the trail as well.

I mean, if I had a nickel for everytime Clark and Lana had the same type of scenes concerning where it "almost" looked like something would finally happen between them back in season 1 and 2, then I'd be able to pay for my college tuition..lol

And they were never meant to end up with each other.

Here, Clark and Lois are known by us all that they will make it and end up with each other. Now I'm not trying to defend the PS3, but I guess from their perspective, they don't want to rush the Clois buildup and get Clark and Lois together fast and feel that the same fate may happen to this version like it did with Dean's and Teri's version, where when Lois and Clark got together finally, ratings started to go down. Of course this is my speculation, but yea.

Clark isn't the type of person to move onto another woman so easily, especially after a disastrous break up he suffered not too long ago. I've read a lot of people complaining how they didn't want to see Clark fall in love with Lois so fast after the break up because it wouldn't come off natural, and they're right.

Clark is only now confronting on what he's been hiding from for quite awhile and that is his feelings for Lois, and his feelings for her will only grow.

Honestly, I don't think even Clark knows completely on what he wants. He knows that he feels deeply for Lois, but in the same time, he doesn't know if it's a good idea to let her get so close to him if danger always follows him and those he cares about the most, and he's afraid of suffering from another heartbreak.

Clark needs time to show how his growing feelings for Lois will develop to feelings more stronger than anything he felt for Lana.

Infamous, just showed finally..on that while Lois didn't want to be with Oliver or A.C. because of their hero duties, her love for Clark is so strong, that she's willing to face life with him.

It finally answered the question on how would Lois accept Clark if she couldn't accept Oliver.

Now they're going to finally show on how Clark would fall in love with Lois more deeper than anything he's ever felt and that even if Lana were to come back someday cured, he wouldn't go back to her and stay firm next to Lois.

[Skaterpen357]

One thing this made me very positive about, and I'm glad . . . Clark does not think of Lois as a rebound or a second choice, because he doesn't know what he thinks or feels for her right now.
Wow...you completely just vindicated Clark of everyone's worst post-Clana-arc fears. I salute you!

Like I said before on here, though, I think the whole point of the scene was to mess with our emotions a bit. When you can make your audience empathize with fictional characters in touching moments like this, you know you're doing your job well. The part that sealed it for me was when Lois texted Clark back and said she couldn't make it. She was trying to hide her vulnerability, but we (and Clark) all saw her in a moment of said vulnerability. It makes us pity her, and Clark's distraught expression also makes us feel for him a bit; many of us can identify with his internal conflict here.

The side of me that is invested in this show feels pity for Lois and Clark, and yet my critical side is amazed at how PS3 handled that scene. This episode made me forget about Super-Clana, and I thoroughly enjoy that.

[paolinki25]

What annoys me is Clark's inability to be emotionally mature. It was just a damn cup of coffee and a conversation to clear out the weirdness between them. This is just the writer's annoying way to add that freaking angst to the show (something that I hate with passion)

[SuperheroFan87]

Wow i gotta say you hit the nail right on the head with this analogy.

Thanks Night Hawk!:)

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Okay, now I completely understand! When you start speaking to me in "batman" terms, I'll always get it!;):D

Believe me, I didn't want Clark and Lois to get things jumped started in last night's episode. It certainly would have made Lois look like a re-bound girl, and that's not what I want for her.
I'm just fearful as to what TPTB will do with the Clois storyline from here on out and into season 9. :( Like I said, I've harped for weeks that I wanted TPTB to go the mythos route with Clois. It's far too much of an iconic storyline not to be done properly. It appears that's what they've decided to do with Clois, but, their version will have it filled with angst! Ugh! :rolleyes: I've had enough angst w/ the Clana relationship to do me for a lifetime! The iconic triangle of Lois/Clark/Superman was always lighthearted and fun...not angsty.

Worry not Melissa, I'm sure clois will be done properly. I'd much rather watch clois angst than clana angst.........mainly because I LOVE clois!

[LovelyLoisLane]

The side of me that is invested in this show feels pity for Lois and Clark, and yet my critical side is amazed at how PS3 handled that scene. This episode made me forget about Super-Clana, and I thoroughly enjoy that.

Me too, me too. And I think the episode itself forgot about Clana, it was as if the show continued from 'Legion' and 'Bulletproof' 'Power' and 'Requiem' never happened. Clark certainly didn't seem to be thinking about it, he brushed off Chloe's one comment entirely.

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What annoys me is Clark's inability to be emotionally mature. It was just a damn cup of coffee and a conversation to clear out the weirdness between them. This is just the writer's annoying way to add that freaking angst to the show (something that I hate with passion)

But see Lois made it clear that she didn't think it was a big deal, though we all know it was, but Clark was too confused himself to know what he was thinking. It may have seemed like just a cup of coffee to us, but to him it was that first step in a direction he isn't sure he should go. It isn't that he is immature, he is trying to figure out what he is feeling and what he thinks he should do about it. He couldn't go over to have a conversation with Lois because he didn't know what to say. That is why he was watching her from across the street, because right up until that moment Clark didn't know if he was going to go or not. He might have even be thinking that Lois didn't feel like it was big deal, since she seemed willing to give a very easy out to the whole almost-kiss (which he did not take by the way, which speaks volumes to me) but then she sent him that text message back, trying to cover up her feelings and then he knew. The way he clenched his jaw and walked off like that? I think his thought process is so convulted right now that it was probably best he didn't go over there.

I think we all know this won't last forever though, eventually . . . he'll cross the street. ;)

I don't mind decent angst, it is when it is cheap and overdone that it irritates me. I thought this was wonderful, and so DC that it made my smile.

[superjude]

You know, I was mad at first. Then a second later I realized that it was too soon. There is going to be a slower progression of the relationship, but I now know it is going to happen and that the focus will now be on Clark becoming Superman and maybe he is actually going to accept his destiny. But, I now see that we are going to get more Lois and Clark, and it is also going to be Lois and the RBB action too. I am looking forward to him fighting his feelings for Lois and finally realizing that he can't help but love her. What a great episode. I saw Smallville coming back and all the progress lost is going back in the right direction.

[aBR]

Not mad.

Saw it as a deliberate attempt of tbtp to AGAIN have a different take on this story. Careful … this is unchartered territory. This is THE love story. Lois being on the ‘unrequited’ end instead of Clark as the pursuer? Whereas Lois is ‘supposed’ to be completely ignoring him in the beginning? Of course I see why a lot of folks aren’t warming up to the idea. But then again, I suppose that’s the intent.
<O:p</O:p
Don’t get me wrong! Still enjoy watching these two! Excited to see the long courtship … THAT’S what I want to see! I don’t want them getting together until the last 2 episodes … Ok, maybe the last 3!
<O:p</O:p

But here’s what I’m having a problem with: <ST1:pClark </ST1:pKNOWING that Lois loves him … FIRST. Lois NOT knowing that Clark </ST1:pKNOWS how she feels. And Lois clueless about the fact that <ST1:pClark</ST1:p is at least beginning to see her in a romantic light. Totally goes against the CORE of the Lois and Clark love story.
<O:p</O:p

I know, I know … “this is Smallville” – not buying it. This little piece they took a different take on is the ‘Lois and Clark love story’.

[Demien]

Yes god damn it yes....I hate Clark because of that

[BULLITT]

He punked out. Simple as that.

[llk6165]

Not at all. Personally, I like the process of getting to a relationship. If he showed up and they were all into each other and smoochy smoochy, kiss, kiss right away, there would be no suspense. I love the suspense of knowing they like each other and will get there eventually, but not right now.

Like my grandmother used to say, "Why buy the cow, when you can get the milk for free?"

[Violet-Shadow]

I'm not mad at Clark. I did feel bad for Lois, thinking about how she must feel, but it would not be good for them to go down the relationship road right now. And maybe it could be called "just coffee" but both parties knew it was more. IMO, Clark was being wise by staying put in the shadows. He just got out of a relationship with Lana and he doesn't need to jump into anything with Lois when he's not sure his actual feelings for her. Eventually, he will get it - it will hit him hard, he'll be reeling, the most amazing love, the one he was looking for - ah, ahem, sorry. That was the shipper in my going off. ;) And now, Lois will have plenty of time to pursue the story of her career - the Red/Blue Blur. Iconic. :D I can't wait!

[Diego*Chloe]

Even though I dont like Clois I did felt bad for Lois because it has happened to me and I react the same way Lois does jejeje

[myankskent]

But I’m mad how they still keep overlapping Clois right after Clana. I mean why are we even talking about Clark’s feelings towards Lois here so soon? The context of the episode, yes, I know. But I mean, isn’t it just way too early for this Clark to even think about another woman at this point? This episode didn’t start with the letter which say; “one year later” so I assume SV time has passed as ours = about a month from Requiem. And as many of us predicted, Clark is not doing anything to search for a cure. Okay let’s move on and forget about that for the sake of the argument. But still, he looks very fickle in this episode to me.


I agree with this. This is why I wanted a reset with Clois where nothing romantic would happen between them for the rest of the season. TPTB have apparently decided to have Clark realize that there is something there with Lois, which is why he almost showed up for coffee. Coming off an episode where he was down on his knees saying that he loved Lana, I think that it is in very poor taste to end the next episode in this way.



If I were Lois, the fact that Clark and Lana are not together now is enough evidence that they didn’t work out well & decided to part their way. AND Clark’s “it’s a pretty complicated conversation (WTH?!)” line lead her to invite him for a coffee. Lois saw he was confused about them so she offers him to put things on the table and talk about it. It’s all because HE invited her to do so actually, admitting it is complicated instead of just brush it off and forget almost-kiss ever happened just like Lois first suggested.


That's an interesting take. I guess that Clark did kind of open up the door to have a conversation about what happened. I still would've preferred to see Lois just keep her distance from Clark rather than inviting him out for coffee so quickly.

[Lnc4Ever]

Exactly! I think I said that before myself about it being so close and yet so far, a very popular set up in dramatic romances and definitely I can see SV using that as they progress forward.

It isn't overly angsty and yet it lets some viewers, such as myself, level with what the characters are feeling, being afraid to take even the smallest step as we worry what kind of ripples can come from even the tiniest of pebbles.

I don't think they imagine that one another are 'the one' so to speak, it is too early for that kind of realisation and the relationship isn't that advanced (not to mention Lois is already the kind of girl to hide her feelings and Clark just came from another breakup with the 'infamous' Lana), but I do think they both know that there is something very different about them in relation to eachother. That was made clear when they were talking in the barn, where Lois saw Clark as different from those that came before, and Clark did not think he could tell Lois because she was special. That difference is daunting and pile that with Clark thinking that Lois is too special to endager with his secret (at least that is the conclusion I've reached in trying to figure out his reasoning from what he said to her in the barn, and about her with Chloe on the street scene later) and it is no wonder he was fighting against going to have coffee. Even something that seems so simple is still one step in a direction he doesn't think he should go and beyond that, when Lois offered to put what almost happened in 'Bride' behind them and be all buddy buddy, Clark said right there at the DP that it was a complicated conversation. Even just to have coffee, I don't think Clark knows what to say her to right now.

That is what I got from it anyway, maybe I'm being overly dramatic. But Lois offered him a very easy out and he did not take it. Anyone can want him to be disinterested all they like, but he was not disinterested or he would have most definitely taken that out and would have just told her he wouldn't come or would've sent her a text message before hand. I'm sorry but as much as people want to call Clark dense, he isn't that dense and he isn't that much of a jerk either. I have every confidence and certain to my bones that he didn't know what he was going to do until he did it, but that he isn't willing to sweep it under the rug, and neither is he willing to take that one extra step. He is caught where Lois herself is, at an impasse right now. I imagine it can be frustrating to some fans and I certainly can't make anyone not be frustrated, just like I can't make any other viewer see the scene the way I did (though I'll admit that I wish I could; make the world a happier place and all that :p)

One thing this made me very positive about, and I'm glad . . . Clark does not think of Lois as a rebound or a second choice, because he doesn't know what he thinks or feels for her right now.

So I am not mad at Clark, and I don't pity Lois. There is nothing for me to be mad at Clark for and there is no reason for me to pity Lois, and she wouldn't like it if I did anyway. ;) I do feel for both of them, and adore the pair of them so much that I'm surprised by my reaction. I was smiling that wistful smile usually saved for those that are in love, the whole time I watched that ending and the hundred times I rewatched it afterwards. I'm quite happy over here. The writers didn't earn a free pass from the horrible mini-arc that came before this, but they did bring me roses and gourmet chocolates to apologize with 'Infamous' I don't like chocolate, but it is the thought that counts. :P For once, it isn't just Lois who has become a favorite. Clark had a rough patch before this, but he has reclaimed his place in my heart for this season. I adored him the whole episode. Now they just gotta keep it up until the finale.

Bravo!!! Excellent post! :D

[wolverine316]

Reading some of the posts I have to say give me a break!!!
Unfortunately Clark can't do anything right for any of you. Lois is head over heels in love with Clark. Clark just got out of an emotional roller coster relationship with Lana. If he went over to Lois, we all know that Lois would read alot more into it than she should. I think Clark did a good thing. Although he does have very strong, deep feelings for Lois, he is not rushing into a relationship and treating her like the rebound after Lana. Let him figure out his feelings on his terms not all of yours!!!!

[clarksgirl93]

im mad but if he did go out with her, it would be just like when him and lana dated when she didnt know his secret. all lies and secrets.....plus it would kill the whole friendship thing between them
i mean, come on! theyre starting to aact like the lois and clark i grew up watching in the movies and reading in the comics :D

[tornadobr]

im mad but if he did go out with her, it would be just like when him and lana dated when she didnt know his secret. all lies and secrets.....plus it would kill the whole friendship thing between them
i mean, come on! theyre starting to aact like the lois and clark i grew up watching in the movies and reading in the comics :D

That's exactly why he should have told her! 'This time I'm not making the same mistake' I swear to you guys! I'm armed with an enormous piece of wood, ready to hit the producers and writers on their heads! Come on! Give us what we want!!!

[rebecavaldez]

REASONS I AM MAD:
Clark needs to grow a pair and just do it already. Ugh, I don't know what I mean by that.
REASONS I AM NOT MAD:
The scene was really sad. In a way that keeps me intrested. If Clark and Lois were together and were a happy couple, what would be so intresting about the show. Clois is one of the main reasons I watch the show and I like drama. Of course I don't like it when it involves other people "NotLois" but I really liked what they did with that last scene. It was a promblem with just them instead of a love triangle. I prefer the Clois drama then the love triangle, but that's just my promblem.

[cygnusx1]

my first reaction was what a bda. after watching it the second time, i agree with everyone that taking it slow is the best move for ck right now. if he ultimately decides to reveal the secret to lois he already knows she will accept him as he is

[smallvillerocks45]

Technically, Clark didn't stand Lois up. From my understanding, to stand someone up is to unexplainably not show up. In this case, however, Clark let her know that he wasn't going to make it.

It was an emotional moment, and I am now really interested in the Clois relationship, but I like that Clark is trying to take things slow. He has a lot on his plate and the last thing he needs to be doing is starting a relationship with someone right now. He must accept himself before he can expect anyone else to - I think he's working on it, and I can't wait to see what happens next.

[bigblueplanet]

That's an interesting take. I guess that Clark did kind of open up the door to have a conversation about what happened. I still would've preferred to see Lois just keep her distance from Clark rather than inviting him out for coffee so quickly.

Thanks, Matt. And yep. Clark did open up the door for “having more-in-depth” conversation with Lois on that DP stair, IMO. In that scene he was practically saying, "Lois, it’s a complicated topic to just talk like this on the stair with your suitcases in my hands…..", when he COULD SAY, “Yeah, you’re right, Lois. Let’s forget it!”.

But Lois did say; “If not (show up), let’s just say I get it.”, so maybe Clark thought not showing up gives her a clear massage and it did. Though, I just wish he would have made an option c) by himself, which he shows up and tells her that he is not yet ready.

They are good friends after all. If he respects her and value their friendship, I think this is the least he could do. JMO

[LovelyLoisLane]

I was never a Clana fan, but I have tried to make my peace with it. I hated what happened in ‘Power’ and the corn-ball setup that created for why Clana couldn’t be together instead of moving on in healthy way. I’ve made my feelings on that more than clear before, but I wanted to reiterate my position before I continue with this post.

Maybe in the next episodes we will get Clark saying how he still isn’t over Lana, and then what I got from this episode will be deemed null and void, but what “Infamous” showed me was that Clark has made peace with what happened with Lana and that he is completely ready to move on in his life. Honestly, I think part of the reason he got back into a short-lived relationship with Lana was that he doesn’t like to be alone. That has been a character trait of SV!Clark for some time now, Lana was there, things seemed like they would work out and Lois was just this big complexity to him. It was easier to fall back into a relationship with Lana then it was to face what might have been happening with Lois. I will not argue that he wasn’t upset with what happened with Lana, he obviously was, and she is now poisoned against him for what they both are probably thinking is forever. I also will not argue with that, but I will argue against Clark jumping into a relationship with Lois to get over Lana or because he couldn’t have Lana. There was already an issue between himself and Lois before Lana came back, and “Infamous” only re-iterated that Clark isn’t ready to come face to face with that complexity.

Honestly, I was worried coming into this episode. I knew in the back of my mind that the writers probably wouldn’t have Clark mention his being over Lana, and they didn’t. I honestly thought her name wouldn’t even come up, but Chloe mentioned it once and Clark rather blew that off and went full steam ahead with his plans to reveal himself. I kind of felt like this episode was treated as if it happened right after “Legion” and that Lana left after that and “Bulletproof” “Power” and “Requiem” never occurred. All the set up for this episode in the ‘previously on Smallville’ segment was up until “Legion” and in scenes that had Lana in them, like the one from “Hydro” and the one in “Bride” they avoided ever showing Lana’s face or mentioning her name. We heard the “Oh my god!” from Chloe in “Bride” right at the time of the Clois-almost-kiss interruption but the camera never panned to Lana and no one said her name. Any viewer that hadn’t watched anything past “Legion” wouldn’t even have knowledge of what happened in those episodes if they didn’t hear about it online, because the episode didn’t make any reference to it beyond Chloe’s one mention and from the non-reaction Clark had to that the audience could likely draw the conclusion that nothing major happened there. Us that watched those episode or read about them know differently, but it makes me think that Clark is over Lana, and that getting over her that fast . . . Well, I can’t see thoughts of her hampering his feelings for Lois as we go forward in the season.

What I gleamed from that, ratings or not, is the producers realized the big faux-pas they made in the aforementioned episodes (though mostly Power) and want to pretend that those episodes didn’t happen. Obviously ignoring the problem isn’t going to make it go away, but apart from having no Romantic!Clois at all (which the writers/producers clearly aren’t willing to give up) is to have it be stalled enough to make it certain that Clark doesn’t appear to be going with Lois out of a rebound situation. Which was a huge fear of mine and a lot of other fans as well.

I thought that this episode would make Clark look wishy-washy with his feelings, because I was worried he’d run right into being in love with Lois after coming off the Clana running board, but he didn’t. I can’t say he looked wishy-washy at all in this episode. He looked conflicted by his developing feelings for Lois and the idea he got (right or wrong) that to get into a relationship her would wind up hurting her in the long run and couldn’t go anywhere because he couldn’t be honest with her, because the events in “Infamous” almost got her shot by those FBI goons or whoever they were. I think he might be over-reacting there myself, but I don’t think that is all there is too his fear, or what kept him from crossing the street. I think he just did not know what he would say to Lois, even sitting down for a cup of coffee would create a situation where he’d have to talk to her. I mean Clark said barely a word to Lois for the ride back as she said herself and he when he did say something after they got back it was to tell her he missed her banter.

Lois offered to let bygones be bygones and just forget the almost-kiss happened and instead of saying ‘alright’ or anything like that he said it was a ‘complicated conversation’ In other words he wasn’t willing just drop it but it was very complicated. Then Lois went off on a very Lois ramble about how he could come to hang out with her for coffee but if he didn’t it was no big deal and if he didn’t show that she’d get it. Clark’s response “Okay.” It was clear that standing on the DP stairs he didn’t already know he wasn’t going to go. He had no intention of purposely standing up Lois. The fact that he got changed and showed up says to me that up until that very moment where he sent her the text he was struggling with what he was going to do.

Some of you keeping saying ‘but it was just coffee’ but I know it wasn’t just coffee and Clark knew it wasn’t just coffee, and if the expression on Lois‘ face is anything to go by it wasn‘t just coffee to her either. It was that first step in acknowledging his feelings for Lois and Clark isn’t ready to do that. Lois is a complexity to him and she isn’t like any other girl or woman he’s had a relationship with before. That goes in hand with him telling her she was special and his admiration of her as a reporter. But that makes him really conflicted because he doesn’t know how to deal with that right now. After he read her text it is clear that she doesn’t want him to think she is hurt, but he now knows she is and he was clearly pained by that but still too conflicted to do anything and he couldn’t stand to stay there and keep staring at her. I don’t want to go too much into spoilers, but I think this was very good setup for future episodes and the way Clark is with Lois in later episodes. What I’m about to say isn’t a spoiler, just speculation based on this last scene from “Infamous” I think that Lois is going to close herself off to Clark, not in a icy way where she won’t be his friend, but in a romantic way and that it is going to leave Clark in the unpleasant position of unable to keep himself from having feelings for her, so he will use the RBB to get close to Lois where he himself can’t. Hence the two sided triangle that has been a part of pretty much ANY Superman story since the beginning, and something that I expect is going to come about at least in some fashion in this story as well.

So I can’t really be mad at Clark. I am frustrated with the continued idea that knowing about him will only put those he loves in danger, but then that isn’t a problem that is just on Clark. It is everywhere in superhero stories lately. However I can understand his being unsure and leery of his feelings for Lois, and being conflicted with what to do, but at the same time not being able to help himself from having said-feelings. I feel for him, I really do, and of course I feel for Lois who is getting tired of being disappointed and will likely steel herself from further disappointment now. But I’m really not mad at Clark, and I’m not really mad at the writers for this either. They managed to give me hope for the rest of the season without really touching on the Clana fiasco.

[LovelyLoisLane]

Also I forgot to mention that another reason I couldn't be angry with Clark or the Clois in this episode . . . the writers TOLD the story, instead of using foreshadowing to hint at the future. There was development in present in this episode.

Unless we count the usage of lighting in the final scene, with Clark in the dark and Lois in the light as some kind of foreshadowing, but of what I don't know. Other than Lois being shiny, warm and pretty, but she is those things already. ;)

[supes0]

I don't think they imagine that one another are 'the one' so to speak,

I think Lois does feel Clark is the one. She said as much in the barn conversation when she said "this is different".

That is why I think she made her last ditch effort.

Maxima was right, Lois is aware of the connection, even if Clark isn't. Lois also asked Chloe in Bride, how did she know Jimmy was the one, she was thinking about Clark.

[Xanusus]

I'm not mad. I just thought it was extremely stupid to sit there like a voyeur and just stare. But then again coffee has been known to lead to pregnancy before.

[LovelyLoisLane]

I think Lois does feel Clark is the one.

I had to go find where I said that because I've had so many LONG posts for this episode. :p I don't think I've felt this strongly about an episode in a long time.

But anyway . . .

I think Lois knows that Clark is special to her, but I don't know about being 'the one' not yet anyway, but maybe she did. If she did think that, I kind of have a feeling she won't think that after this episode, at least not for awhile. While with Clark I think his feelings are only going to grow after this episode. :( Poor Clark, but then poor Lois too, but I don't pity either of them because I have a very good idea where this is headed and I'm very excited. I'm trying to tamp my excitement down so I don't set myself up for disappointment, but I'm still looking forward to more episodes now.



I'm not mad. I just thought it was extremely stupid to sit there like a voyeur and just stare. But then again coffee has been known to lead to pregnancy before.

I don't think Clark was being a creepy voyeur at all, he did take off eventually anyway.

But that pregnancy comment was pretty funny.:lol:

[msleggie]

I knew it wasn't going to happen because it is to soon from them to get together, but I was still sad about Clark standing her up, she looks so sad sitting there

[llk6165]

I
Maybe in the next episodes we will get Clark saying how he still isn’t over Lana, and then what I got from this episode will be deemed null and void, but what “Infamous” showed me was that Clark has made peace with what happened with Lana and that he is completely ready to move on in his life.

I got that impression too.

[supes0]

If she did think that, I kind of have a feeling she won't think that after this episode, at least not for awhile.

I agree. I do think she thinks he the one, but now she's going to have to let go and move on because he doesn't feel the same way.


While with Clark I think his feelings are only going to grow after this episode. :(

Me too.


Poor Clark, but then poor Lois too, but I don't pity either of them because I have a very good idea where this is headed and I'm very excited.

Ditto. I am very happy it looks like we're going down the RBB/Lois/Clark route.

[MsCali4Eva]

Hell ya I'm mad!! Isn't he out of High School? He is an adult, is he not? So, why couldn't he just have met her at the Cafe for a cup of coffee?! It's not a date!! He doesn't have to spill his secret all in one setting! Meeting her at the Cafe wouldn't have brought the world to an end!! Clark is acting like she's Kryptonite!!! Come to think of it.... he acted this way with the other "one who cannot be named". And this disappoints me because Lois is NOT her. Ggggrrrr!

As I had said in the Love it or hate it thread - at this point I think Lois should just focus on her career, on getting promoted so that she won't have to sit across from his mug anymore, and forget about Clark. She should start dating again and rebuild her defenses. I wouldn't even entertain any invitations from Clark, unless it had something to do with work (afterall, they still might have to work together).

Just MO of course.

[workshyslacker]

REASONS I AM MAD:
Clark needs to grow a pair and just do it already. Ugh, I don't know what I mean by that.


:lol:

But seriously, I understand. There's this inertia with Clark when it comes to relationships. I get it. This is a tv show and keeping the main couple apart keeps us interested. However, does it have to be so angsty? I was hoping Clois would have a free pass at this. I wanted it to stand out from the Clana drama. Lois isn't Lana, but the way Clark is acting she might as well be.

I wanted him to go over there and just talk to her, even if he'd just tell her he wasn't ready for another relationship, not after having his heart trampled over the recent Lana arc. But Lois doesn't know that. Poor girl. She doesn't deserve to be stood up.

[rej@ne]

I had to go find where I said that because I've had so many LONG posts for this episode. :p I don't think I've felt this strongly about an episode in a long time.

But anyway . . .

I think Lois knows that Clark is special to her, but I don't know about being 'the one' not yet anyway, but maybe she did. If she did think that, I kind of have a feeling she won't think that after this episode, at least not for awhile. While with Clark I think his feelings are only going to grow after this episode. :( Poor Clark, but then poor Lois too, but I don't pity either of them because I have a very good idea where this is headed and I'm very excited. I'm trying to tamp my excitement down so I don't set myself up for disappointment, but I'm still looking forward to more episodes now.




I don't think Clark was being a creepy voyeur at all, he did take off eventually anyway.

But that pregnancy comment was pretty funny.:lol:

Yes yes yes!!!! I agree with all of your posts LovelyLoisLane!!! I haven´t thought the way you do till I read yous posts and they totally make sense to me. How could CK jump into be in love with Lois just an episode after he "lost" Lana for kryptonite?? I mean till REQUIEM he was (right or wrong) sure he was in love with Lana so it´s pretty obvious he CAN´T be in love with Lois BUT he knows now he DOES have some feelings abt har... Great episode and anxious for the next ones... I´m a big Clois fan but I want this romance to happen for the right reasons and not because Clark has no other shot with Lana...:lol:

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Oh and I forgot to add: NO I AM NOT MAD AT CLARK!!!

[llk6165]

Hell ya I'm mad!! Isn't he out of High School? He is an adult, is he not? So, why couldn't he just have met her at the Cafe for a cup of coffee?! It's not a date!! He doesn't have to spill his secret all in one setting! Meeting her at the Cafe wouldn't have brought the world to an end!! Clark is acting like she's Kryptonite!!! Come to think of it.... he acted this way with the other "one who cannot be named". And this disappoints me because Lois is NOT her. Ggggrrrr!

As I had said in the Love it or hate it thread - at this point I think Lois should just focus on her career, on getting promoted so that she won't have to sit across from his mug anymore, and forget about Clark. She should start dating again and rebuild her defenses. I wouldn't even entertain any invitations from Clark, unless it had something to do with work (afterall, they still might have to work together).

Just MO of course.

I am sorry you feel bad. See if this makes you feel better...
Try to think of this as a way to get things on track to let the romance and tension to build before they get to the point of dating. My interpretation was that the coffee shop thing was to be for the purpose of exploring their feelings. After the chaos from the prior two days, Clark set his personal feelings aside, to do what he felt was best for Lois. His feelings are their and now the Clois journey has begun. Kind of like how exciting it was in the old TV series LnC where there was this long Clois chase and being afraid to get close etc etc.

If that didn't helo you feel better, try mint chocolate chip ice cream. That works for me too. ;)

[Luthorism]

I'm mad cause writers like to torture us! :lol:

[malcrew]

Wait for future episodes.

[Doomsday44]

I really want them to be together, but I also like watching the chase. Plus it is too soon for Clark so I understand.

[BROKENTOS]

Clark is a wuss when it comes to the ladies. There was no need to stand Lois up. He has known her for 4 years now.

[old guy]

I am disappointed that Clark didn't meet her for coffee, but not surprised. I'm disappointed because I could picture a younger Clark wussin' out, but he is supposed to be closer to being Superman now, and that didn't strike me as a Superman-like thing to do. Granted, Lois has no memory of the "super" moments they shared via the time warp, but the last time they were together, they nearly kissed until they were interrupted by "that one". It would seem natural to try and have a conversation about what happened at the wedding.

Having a cup of coffee doesn't obligate Clark to jump into bed with her; its just a chance for two people who have feelings stronger than "just friends" but not sure what or where it leads to want to talk about it. It could have just been a simple chat like "I know I feel something for you, but right now I'm not sure I'm ready to find out where this is going". If Clark were to say that, I'm guessing Lois would be fine with that since she doesn't just want to be the rebound since Lana is gone. Then they can mutually agree to play it cool for a while....like 3 or 4 episodes.

[Tinyeppy]

NO

It's to soon after CLANA. I have another season to see CK get over Lana, sort out his feelings for Lois and maybe finally behave like a "Hero".
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I don't want a rebound relationship. Slow, easy with a lot of emotional effort on both parts making it a more stable adult emotionally spiritual relationship. <O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:p

PS3 has a long way to go to reveal to the viewers why Clois is 1 billion times more psychologically & emotionally more powerful then Clana in a very short amount of time.

<O:p</O:p
<O:p
Can they do it. We’ll just have to see. I hope I'm not disappointed in the end. Superman fans really will be angry if the screw Clois up. <O:p</O:p

[sarcami]

This is gold right here. They have to do this to make Clois the ship above all ships. Lois cannot be second choice according to mythos, so they have to show Clark working to get her back. I want to see him squirm and sweat and I am not even a Clois fan.

[Alania]

There was no need to stand Lois up.

I agree with that. They could have talked like two grown-ups that they are without starting anything romantic. There was no need to put Lois through that suffering again, in a row, it was just absurd! :mad: Ignoring things doesn't work and that scene was just pure sadness and unecessary, i didn't see any symbolical beauty in it. To make it worse, they had Clark texting lame excuses. I said once and i'll say again; these writers don't know how to handle love relationships, it's one frustration after another.

[melissan02]

I agree with that. They could have talked like two grown-ups that they are without starting anything romantic. There was no need to put Lois through that suffering again, in a row, it was just absurd! :mad: Ignoring things doesn't work and that scene was just pure sadness and unecessary, i didn't see any symbolical beauty in it. To make it worse, they had Clark texting lame excuses. I said once and i'll say again; these writers don't know how to handle love relationships, it's one frustration after another.

I agree Alania. That ending scene is hardly what I'd call "beautiful"!:rolleyes: It was way too heavy (we've got enough of that going on right now w/ Chlavis/Doomsday storyline)...that Clois scene was angsty. Much like Clana!:rolleyes: (dodges the rotten tomatoes thrown my way for that comment...:lol:)
I think that sadly, TPTB are setting up an angsty Lois and Clark relationship but the Lois/RBB will be romantic and lighthearted. And somehow...we're supposed to like that?:confused:
Whatevs!:rolleyes:

[desertcoyote]

NO

It's to soon after CLANA. I have another season to see CK get over Lana, sort out his feelings for Lois and maybe finally behave like a "Hero".
<o>:p</o>:p
<o>:p</o>
I don't want a rebound relationship. Slow, easy with a lot of emotional effort on both parts making it a more stable adult emotionally spiritual relationship. <o>:p</o>:p
<o>:p</o>:p

PS3 has a long way to go to reveal to the viewers why Clois is 1 billion times more psychologically & emotionally more powerful then Clana in a very short amount of time.

<o>:p</o>:p
<o>:p</o>
Can they do it. We’ll just have to see. I hope I'm not disappointed in the end. Superman fans really will be angry if the screw Clois up. <o>:p</o>:p

There it is. Someone needs to make a plaque of this quote and mount it where ever the writers well... write the show. This is why I marked NO in the poll... no rebound relationship. Let them start from square one when he's ready. Like what Tinyeppy said, Clark needs to get over Lana and then have a true deep meaningful relationship... you know... the kind that will last.

[supes0]

I agree with that. They could have talked like two grown-ups that they are without starting anything romantic. There was no need to put Lois through that suffering again, in a row, it was just absurd!

I voted yes initially. I had the same feelings, it was childish, immature, etc. I thought about how this show has evolved.

Smallville has always frustrated me, there has always been such great potential yet, more often than not the writers miss the mark.

I was thinking about where the characters are right now.

As Tinyeppy said, they have to show Lois isn't rebound, and for Clark to start anything right now is in poor taste. Lana has only been gone a few weeks Smallville time.

I know a lot of people don't care or even want to see a RBB/Lois/Clark triangle. But I do. I think it's very important to the story. (I recommend Mark Waid's Birthright which conveys why it matters really well, at least mho)

In the barn scene Lois is trying to tell Clark it doesn't matter he's an alien. He'll get the picture if she is fascinated by the RBB. She won't fear him even when her first impression is of a super strong stranger who comes from another planet. Lois won't see a potential first wave of invaders, she'll see a hero, and through her eyes Metropolis falls in love with him too.

It's a completely different set of emotions when somebody accepts you after they've known you all their lives and find out you're not human. For somebody to accept, trust and love you when all they know is you're from another planet and could crush them with no effort is a priceless gift, and he's only ever experienced this with the Kents. I think her falling for Superman is one of the reasons he loves her the way he does.

However, for Lois not to look bad she has to have a reason to pull away from Clark. Had he crossed the street and done the mature thing, told her he wasn't ready, she would have waited, because we all know how she loves him.

The way the story needs to unfold if they're going to tell the iconic triangle is Lois has to have her head turned. She can only do this if she believes there is absolutely no hope with Clark.

That was what I thought the last scene was about. After he read her text the way he looked up and stared at her was really interesting. I don't think he understands what he just lost, but he knows she's not going to come chasing after him.

Poor storytelling got us to this point, now it's going to take some clunky moments to fix it. ( like it took us years to get to this economic disaster we're facing in the US, and now some really unpleasant choices need to be made to try and dig ourselves out this...)

The last scene was unpleasant and angsty. Clark should be mature enough to cross the street and talk to her as an adult.

However, for the story to move in the direction I speculate they are going, it had to be done this way so Lois is left with no hope and is free to do whatever she wants, with the audience behind her.

TPTB have teased a romantic RBB/Lois moment in a phone booth in Stiletto. It can only be romantic if the audience doesn't think Lois is emotionally cheating on Clark. . If he crossed that street we would expect Lois to wait until Clark was ready, but she can't for the purposes of the meta story.

[Alania]

As Tinyeppy said, they have to show Lois isn't rebound, and for Clark to start anything right now is in poor taste. Lana has only been gone a few weeks Smallville time.

Sure is in poor taste, thank God there was no kiss, it would push Clois! But having coffee with her wouldn't push them, if they had a grown-up conversation without trying to start something there, u know? I don't know, it's just my way of seeing things, i'm not a teen anymore, i'm 27 years old, i'm getting married at the end of this year, so to have a conversation between a man and a woman who got really close about all that happend doesn't seem strange to me, u know? That's what separate Clois from Clana; the first is mature, grown-up, forever, the last is teen, inmature, and bound to fail. Clark didn't have to address the whole kryptnite thing, sure, but just saying his break-up wasn't easy and that they both need time. But, since this show is heavy on the ship drama....


I know a lot of people don't care or even want to see a RBB/Lois/Clark triangle. But I do. I think it's very important to the story. (I recommend Mark Waid's Birthright which conveys why it matters really well, at least mho)

Oh, i am dying to see that triangle, will keep Lois busy and not thinking about Clark, thus, giving him time to think about his feelings! That triangle could not come in better time!!!!


In the barn scene Lois is trying to tell Clark it doesn't matter he's an alien. He'll get the picture if she is fascinated by the RBB. She won't fear him even when her first impression is of a super strong stranger who comes from another planet. Lois won't see a potential first wave of invaders, she'll see a hero, and through her eyes Metropolis falls in love with him too.

It's a completely different set of emotions when somebody accepts you after they've known you all their lives and find out you're not human. For somebody to accept, trust and love you when all they know is you're from another planet and could crush them with no effort is a priceless gift, and he's only ever experienced this with the Kents. I think her falling for Superman is one of the reasons he loves her the way he does.

ITA to all of it!!! * claps*


That was what I thought the last scene was about. After he read her text the way he looked up and stared at her was really interesting. I don't think he understands what he just lost, but he knows she's not going to come chasing after him.

Poor storytelling got us to this point, now it's going to take some clunky moments to fix it. ( like it took us years to get to this economic disaster we're facing in the US, and now some really unpleasant choices need to be made to try and dig ourselves out this...)

I hear you here, it's like half of PS3 did P/R combo and other half did episodes 01-10, cause they don't connect. It was Smallville before, then, Lana Lang show and now, back to Smallville. Now, the fixing will take time. Today i heard US escaped from an economic depression this year, like 1929, which would be harder to recover from. I can't compare the these two things, but i can make the analogy; P/R combo almost sunk Smallville, not completely and now, they have to look ahead and rebuild from here.



The last scene was unpleasant and angsty. Clark should be mature enough to cross the street and talk to her as an adult.

However, for the story to move in the direction I speculate they are going, it had to be done this way so Lois is left with no hope and is free to do whatever she wants, with the audience behind her.

TPTB have teased a romantic RBB/Lois moment in a phone booth in Stiletto. It can only be romantic if the audience doesn't think Lois is emotionally cheating on Clark. . If he crossed that street we would expect Lois to wait until Clark was ready, but she can't for the purposes of the meta story.

Ok, now u made me see in a whole different perspective. They need Lois with ALL her walls up and a sign: "no trespassing Clark kent" in order to create that whole chase atmosphere, characterized by Clark in love with her, her in love but not letting him in at any cost and have all her attention to the hero in town. But, at the cost of Lois getting hurt twice:mad:. This triangle better pay this off, supes!!!!! Lois getting hurt affected me more than clana love fest.

[supes0]

This triangle better pay this off, supes!!!!! Lois getting hurt affected me more than clana love fest.

I agree!! Lois was left standing (sitting) both in Bride and Infamous. I hated seeing that, and it also upset me more than P/R (I like the shorthand!!) did.

I hope they do the triangle justice too, my fingers are crossed. I'm trying to accept the way the current story is, not what I wish it was.

If they write the triangle properly Clark can learn a lot. He can learn why Lois is different from all the rest, why she is the right one for him, and hopefully going forward we'll be seeing his eyes open to Lois and watch him fall in love with her.

[SupaBoy]

I'm not mad at all. Hello the guy has just had to say goodbye to the girl of his dreams. I hope that when they finally do the Clois thing it doesn't turn out to be a Clana the 2nd, ie i hope its not a cat and mouse chase, (one minute Clark wants Lois the Next Lois wants Clark.)

[rosalba]

Clark didn't stood lois up, he actually went there, he was watching her from across the street, he was paralysed, couldn't move, he is watching her and he has this strong feelings, and is afraid of it because it is stronger than anything that he felt before.
Actually I'm happy that he didn't had that coffe with her, because this way she is not a second to anybody.
Also Lois is Lois and she will never make him feel guilty.she told him she couldn't make it anyway.That right there showed him that she is different.

[alejandrita439]

Originally Posted by unfocused
I'm sad, not mad. It's just not meant to be this soon. He needs to accept his destiny before he can accept Lois.


i have the same feelings

[margarita_salt]

No...Thoes 2 are not suppose to be together right now. Clark is still pinning over Lana anyway!

[Alania]

Clark is a wuss when it comes to the ladies.

Cut him some slack, he just came from a bad relationship/breakup and he's shaken up about it. :) Clark is not a wuss, Lois would never fall for the wuss type, the only two men she's ever fallen for big time are superheroes!!!:cool:

[Tompouce]

It's not as if women never use that excuse.If i had a dollar for every time a woman used the i have to work or i have to study excuse i would be a millionaire.In all seriousness,i think it set a nice tone.It added to the anticipation.Plus it was a very simplistic yet affective scene.I think somewhere along the way Smallville lost the motto that made it succesful in the past:the simplest can also be the sweetest.But with Lois and Clark they can still pull off scenes like that.It reminded me of the early days of Clana when the relationship was still fresh.For example,she would throw his flower in the garbage bin and it would get a message across.Now think back to Requiem and see how over the top things between them had become.So it was nice to see that kind of simplistic story telling again.
Loool for the first part and ITA for the second one:)

[9-SOSIHTWB]

No because Clark knows that Lois is in love with him, you could see it in his eyes when she gave him the text in the last scene!!!

[tj_powers]

No because Clark knows that Lois is in love with him, you could see it in his eyes when she gave him the text in the last scene!!!

Exactly... besides... Clark never realised how much she did like him and now she does when he saw that she was there but texted that she wasnt. Until the end of this season it will be about how they CAN get closer to each other without him revealing his secret. Lois is not yet ready to know!

[Bruce_Wayne]

As a person who gravitated to this show from being a fan of Superman in the funny books, I always tuned in explicitly for the character of Clark and his superheroics, but after the truly awful decisions TPTB have made over the last few episodes (Lana, I'm looking directly at you), I realized at the end of this episode that I now tune in exclusively for Lois and Chloe. Those two characters are the only ones the writers get consistently right. I sit in stunned amazement how TPTB could take what was shaping up to be one of the best seasons in years and completely train wreck it by bringing back Lana. "Infamous" was a microcosm of this entire season, they construct a near tonally perfect episode and manage to destroy it in the last ONE MINUTE!!! How do you do that??? Answer: By forcing Clark to be a man/child and not take the thirty steps necessary to reach a cafe table where his future awaits.
Long live Erica and Alison.

[LovelyLoisLane]

Clark didn't stand Lois up, he actually went there, he was watching her from across the street, he was paralyzed, couldn't move. He was watching her and he has these strong feelings, and is afraid of it because it is stronger than anything that he felt before.

I feel the same way. If it weren't for Tom Welling's superb acting I might have felt differently, but he so accurately and wonderfully portrayed everything Clark was feeling without uttering a single word. To me, it was self evident on Clark's face.

I also go back to where Clark indicated to Chloe that Lois was too complex. I feel like Lana was his safe harbor, I'm not disputing he had feelings for her because he obviously did, but she was what he had accustomed himself to. A girl that he'd been thinking was the kind of girl he wanted from since his teenage years. Lois is everything he never knew he always wanted. That's scary to him because he can't categorize Lois to the same place that other women in his life have meant to him. Lois isn't just another territory, she's a whole other planet.

He's just beginning to realize how special Lois really is and he doesn't want to hurt her for the world, certainly not because of putting her in danger by knowledge of him and how others will try to hurt her. Something that is frustrating for some of us fans, because we know he will and want him to work it out that she'll be in danger from not knowing as well. Actually didn't Clark say something like that back in 'Bloodline' how Lois' not knowing almost got her killed? But I don't think his feelings for her in that episode were as strong as they were at the end of 'Infamous' so it changes things I imagine. But for all that, he also can't help himself. It's why he turned down her offer to just forget about it. He doesn't want to forget about it but he also doesn't know what to do about it. The desperate look on his face said it all. He wanted to cross the street, but he knew it wouldn't be just a coffee because he has feelings for Lois, he knows she has feelings for him I think, and he didn't know what he would even say and feared the consequences. A conflict of the heart and mind. It happens to the best of us.

I'm sure Lois was stung, but she is a tough girl, and she will be just fine. That is something Clark needs to see as well. When it comes to her emotions Lois is a woman of steel. She fears very little and is one of the bravest characters I've known and that is something I think Clark will need to realize through the persona he has yet to create. Because like ‘supes0’ suggested, Lois’ reaction to an alien that isn’t someone she’s known for awhile, but seems to be an entirely new person in her life, that’ll go a long way to how Clark views Lois.

I don't think Clark was being immature or stupid at all in the last scene. He has never been this careful about getting into a relationship before and the last girl he admired from afar he hardly even knew, more than just the fact that she was pretty, when he was watching her. So it isn't like he is being a stalker here either. He knows Lois very well, she's at the very least a good friend and his colleague. Someone he spends a lot of time with, working 'side by side' Didn't he say something about wanting that in 'Requiem' He was speaking to Lana at the time, but I'm sure I'm not the only one that thought of Lois when he said that. A lady he most definitely works with everyday side by side. She's right across the desk from him in fact. ;)

I also don't think Clark had nary a thought about Lana for the majority, if not the whole, of this episode. He certainly wasn't thinking about Lana in that last scene. So I disagree with those that think he was struggling with getting over Lana and that is what kept him from crossing the street. In that moment it was all about Lois and Clark. Maybe in the following episodes he will mention how hard it has been to get over Lana, and then I'll be wrong, but from this episode I got the impression that he got over her and is ready to move on with his life. I would have preferred to see more of that than just Clark waving off Chloe's mention of Lana, but I think this is all we're gonna get. I don't even know how long (on the show) it has been since 'Requiem' but if it seems like Clark got over her fast, well he bounced back into a relationship with her just as quickly, so I guess it is only fitting. But then, as Clark himself indicated, Clana was more of a dream, more something he had convinced himself was the fantasy. The reality wasn't nearly as nice. When they were together the moments of happiness were short lived and if they weren't being made miserable by outside forces than they made each other miserable by their plethora of break ups. I'm as frustrated as the lot of you that the writers went down the Clana road yet again, but they did, and yet it still didn't ring of true love, if it ever did. It felt like Clark wanting to cling to what he used to and Lana trying to find meaning in her hollow life. Like I said, Lana was the safe harbor for him in a storm of emotions because she had always been 'that girl' and the fact that in Bulletproof he didn't care how long she was going to be around just proves that point. Lana was comfortable, Lois is disquieting. It was easier to try and be with Lana than it was to face his feelings for Lois. That was a bit cowardly, I will admit, but then I also think Clark got victimized by that whole arc as a lot of us did.

In 'Infamous' he wasn't cowardly. He was facing himself, the world, and his feelings for Lois and still managed to think the things through to do what he thought was best. It is very likely going to come to bite him in the a** but he doesn't know that. Clark jumped into a relationship with Lana without pausing to weigh the consequences. While with Lois he has paused to consider the situation and is trying to listen to both his head and his heart instead of just his heart. I think not only is he concerned with keeping Lois safe, but he has had his own heart stomped on more than a few times and he's probably sick of being hurt. I know I would be. Being a 'grown up' being an 'adult' does not keep you from being cautious of being hurt, it certainly doesn't keep you from trying to figure out the best way to keep the other person from being hurt. Being a brave grown up means setting aside the more juvenile thoughts of love and of walking into things without thinking, it means you are now adrift in the sea of complex adult emotions and with that complexity comes a requirement to think before you act.

Unfortunately that causes moments like the last scene in "Infamous" where both parties got hurt and yes I think Clark was hurt as well, his face was full of that emotion. This is hardly the look of an indifferent person.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y219/KaraStarbuckNY/SVLoisNClark/th_ClarksFace.png (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y219/KaraStarbuckNY/SVLoisNClark/?action=view&current=ClarksFace.png)

I can hardly fault him or be angry with him for being one of the most human Kryptonians there probably ever was or will be. He has never met a woman like Lois before, and he has never had feelings for a woman like her before either. Like I said previously, Lois is an entirely different planet from Lana and the feelings Clark has for both women are and are going to be equally different. Where he was foolhardy and rushed into things with Lana, he has to be just as thoughtful and slow as he gets into a relationship with Lois. It is going to take time, and there are going to be bumps in the road, but that's life.

I loved that last scene. I forgot about Clana entirely while watching it, I forgot about the previous two horrible episodes. Of course it came back to me later, but at least I had a bit of peace. I was lost in the moment and it was one hell of a moment, because I think it marks the start of Clark's side of Clois. The first half of this season was all about Lois' side of things. I think the imagery used in the coffee shop scene as well as the setup for the scene itself went a long way to starting down Clark's side and I look forward to seeing that.

I know not everyone feels that way, and I know that there are some that are most certainly not going to share my views on Clana or Clois. I understand that and want to say that anything I present as my opinion is just that and is not meant to trash on any fans that feel differently. :)

[traceylb]

I have to say thank you LovelyLoisLane for your comments above and in other threads as they make so much sense and totally how I understood Infamous. So many disliked the ending and yet I thought that last scene was portrayed wonderfully well and mature. We see the emotion on both their faces; Lois has her back to Clark and he does not see how upset she is when she receives the message and yet when she responds he gets the point that she will not confront this issue again too soon and he hurts also. This episode hit home for me the real life difficult and sometimes wrong decisions that we can all make regarding relationships, even our superhero...and he has made plenty of mistakes! :eek:

The return of Lois and balancing the just starting Clois relationship was never going to be easy after Requiem, nor was it going to be please everyone how it was done. Since Lois already has a deep friendship with Clark I was not expecting her to come back with high walls; for her to not mention what nearly happened in Bride would have been out of character as she confronts matters like this head on.

If Clark had sat down for coffee with Lois then he would be saying that he was ready to go into the 'complicated' details of what happened in Bride and after. It was never just about having a 'coffee' with a 'friend'; he was given the option to take the next step in taking their relationship beyond friendship. If I was in Clark shoes I would be nervous and paranoid about taking this step. Lois has been a constant in his life, he feels normal with her, his strong and protective side comes out around her and he would be thinking that if he tried again with Lois and it did not work out then it would be devastating to him. We know how it works out but he does not and he would see it potentially as a way to lose him another person he loves.

Lana has only been gone two weeks at most and it would have cheapened the Clark and Lois relationship and damaged Clark's character even more so if they had delved into this more right now. Time is needed to resolve how he feels and I don't think this needs to be months and months; Clark does have feelings for Lois but he has not come fully to terms with what they are yet and I doubt that Lois will be so emotional next time we see her :)

I am happy to return to the Smallville we were watching up to Bride; I enjoyed Legion and Bulletproof was 'okay' but after that things just spiralled downhill. I look foward to the Lois episodes we have remaining this season.

[Bizarrolover]

Excellent post, LovelyLoisLane! Like you, I'm not angry with Clark, I fully understand what he's going through, and you really expressed youself beautifully.

[supes0]

Great post! LovelyLoisLane I don't agree with everything, but it made me think!


Lois’ reaction to an alien that isn’t someone she’s known for awhile, but seems to be an entirely new person in her life, that’ll go a long way to how Clark views Lois.

Here are some scans from Waid's Birthright which I feel nail the importance of the triangle for two. And is why Lois is so different from any other woman in his life.

Here is seconds after she meets him, she doesn't know anything about him, not that he is an alien or anything else. She's been chasing a mysterious flying man, but has never been up close...

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5372/sm0417.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9154/sm0418.jpg

Here is after she's interviewed him, and Luthor has turned Metroplis against him trying to convince people he is leading an alien invasion.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8894/smbr1107.jpg

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I don't even know how long (on the show) it has been since 'Requiem' but if it seems like Clark got over her fast,

Well Lois said she's been gone for a month.

Legion happened right after Bride. Don't know the time frame from Legion to Bulletproof, say a week or two? maybe? Power happened the day after Bulletproof, Requiem right after power.

So Lois leaves right after a Bride. 1 month ago SV time.
Lana is in town 2 weeks max?

So, I think Lana has been gone about 2 weeks.

[Dyanara]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y219/KaraStarbuckNY/SVLoisNClark/th_ClarksFace.png (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y219/KaraStarbuckNY/SVLoisNClark/?action=view&current=ClarksFace.png)



For those idiots out there....like me....could you give your interpretation on the look because I think I am definitely missing what others are seeing.

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Great post! LovelyLoisLane


http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8894/smbr1107.jpg



Why are his eyes red in this one?

[supes0]

Why are his eyes red in this one?

Heat vision. He opened up the locked door with his heat vision so Lois could get in to take the Kryptonite.

[Dyanara]

Oh ok thank you, I didnt realize they were moving around in that picture. I thought they were just sitting there talking then his eyes turn red. I thought he went sith for a minute

[scifigirl]

For those idiots out there....like me....could you give your interpretation on the look because I think I am definitely missing what others are seeing.

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Why are his eyes red in this one?

I read sadness and regret that he hurt Lois again.

[Big O]

I think it is rather obvious that wasn't the case, or he wouldn't have been standing across the street watching her and looking all sad. He just wouldn't have shown up at all if he had zero interest, don't you think?

Right....He was dressed up...just incase.....he decided to join Lois...but in the end...he decided not too.

People have said...why couldn't CK ...man up....and just sit down & have coffee with Lois.

Im sure he would have...but that was BEFORE...he had feelings for Lois..... now that he sees Lois...as more than just a friend and as someone "special".....he couldnt..or wouldn't allow himself to do it...because in his mind...and in Lois'...it wasnt...just a coffee date...it was something much more than that...and CK...as usual...has a much harder time dealing with his emotions..than he does fighting bad guys...


..was a pretty lovely scene and Tom Welling played the emotion on his face very well. At the end it was pretty clear that whatever kept him from having coffee with her wasn't disinterest, but more a level of insecurity and concern over what getting close to Lois might do, not just to him but to her as well, I'd say.

Yep....I agree with your take on that scene...and TW was real good...but ED's facial reactions...sold that last scene...she was terrific....she looked sad.....stoic...strong...you name it...Ive read ppl say they didnt like seeing Lois look weak...but...I never saw her looking weak at all...Lois is vunerable....but..shes not a weak person....or a..."oh poor me type"....

I don't know, I might be in the minority, but I really liked that scene a lot. : ) I even went back and re-watched it twice.

lol I liked the scene so much..I think ive watched...22 times..and counting...

Its a TV show...so...the writers are doing a good job..when they get people talking about an ending...whether ppl loved it or hate it....after the show is over...and the fact that some people hated it..and others like myself...loved it..is besides the point...the main thing is...people care about the show & the characters...so...its all good...cos the worse thing that could happen..to any TV show....is people not give a rats behind...about the program or what happens to the characters.

Im just looking forward..to seeing the remaining shows in S8 & the stuff to come in S9.

[LovelyLoisLane]

For those idiots out there....like me....could you give your interpretation on the look because I think I am definitely missing what others are seeing.


You aren't an idiot, this isn't a test. I can tell you what I see, I see hurt openly on his face, but what I see might not be what you see and that doesn't make you an idiot it just means you have a different opinion.

[LovelyLoisLane]

lol I liked the scene so much..I think ive watched...22 times..and counting...

Its a TV show...so...the writers are doing a good job..when they get people talking about an ending...whether ppl loved it or hate it....after the show is over...and the fact that some people hated it..and others like myself...loved it..is besides the point...the main thing is...people care about the show & the characters...so...its all good...cos the worse thing that could happen..to any TV show....is people not give a rats behind...about the program or what happens to the characters.

Im just looking forward..to seeing the remaining shows in S8 & the stuff to come in S9.


I've got you beat at well over one hundred re-watches. :p

Well this episode definitely has people talking and I'm going to go out on a limb to say that scene had to pretty powerful in its ability to split the fandom in half. Not in any offcial capacity, I haven't looked at polls or anything, but judging from what I keep seeing on the board there are an equal number of fans that loved that scene and an equal number of fans that didn't like it at all and some of those fans are in the same shipper group. :eek:

So I think that's pretty darn neat that it had that kind of effect on people, and besides myself I know of one other poster that didn't like SVClois in a romantic way but liked them in a romantic way in this episode. So that is also pretty neat.

This was the kind of episode that brought people's passions out for sure. I don't think I've made so many long winded posts about a single episode in a LONG time.

[Fawbish]

All the people that we're complaining "They best not have clark and lois together so soon!"...

...and now saying "Why didnt Clark go? he hates her!"

I shake my head in disbelief!


They handled it maturely, it was a great scene! And it sets it up nicely to be drawn out a bit. The writers always go too far too soon and solve it with a mindwipe...it sucks.

Draw it out well, and it becomes brilliant television.

My personal opinion, is that the people now complaining about them not having coffee together are the reason we had such an over the top lana relationship...the writers had to keep pumping it up to obscene levels because people just arent happy with a build up to a relationship.

Patience and anticipation, in decent quantities, are what will allow this show to get back on track! I dont expect a bad episode for the rest of the season, honestly.

[bigblueplanet]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y219/KaraStarbuckNY/SVLoisNClark/th_ClarksFace.png (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y219/KaraStarbuckNY/SVLoisNClark/?action=view&current=ClarksFace.png)





....could you give your interpretation on the look because I think I am definitely missing what others are seeing.



My interpretation (on 8th re-watch):

*Clark looks at Lois from across the street*

“......should I go and tell her?......or shouldn’t I………Oh crap I can’t. No way I can answer her love right now and I don’t know how to explain that either. This will hurt her big time but I have no choice……”

*sends a text message*

“Man………..how come this relationship-thing is so damn not easy for me……it’s really not fair…...”

*received her text 20 seconds later*

“…*Gasps* She lied! ……..geez, it means I’ll be back to “be ignored in a 3-hour-downpour” phase? So much for picking her up on time in this timeline……*sighs*…..”

*leaves*



So I think his *thoughts* on the photo you quoted is where he whines about the ‘relationship-thing’.
(i.e. only my interpretation out of 3.57million viewers)


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[supes0]

My interpretation (on 8th re-watch):

*Clark looks at Lois from across the street*

“......should I go and tell her?......or shouldn’t I………Oh crap I can’t. No way I can answer her love right now and I don’t know how to explain that either. This will hurt her big time but I have no choice……”

*sends a text message*

“Man………..how come this relationship-thing is so damn not easy for me……it’s really not fair…...”

*received her text 20 seconds later*

“…*Gasps* She lied! ……..geez, it means I’ll be back to “be ignored in a 3-hour-downpour” phase? So much for picking her up on time in this timeline……*sighs*…..”

*leaves*




Yeah, I saw it in a similar way.

I personally thought the lyrics played over Lois "are you still in love with me or someone else" fits better as an anvil for the future rbb triangle than commentary on current events.

Clark has never been in love with Lois. Now I believe we'll see that change going forward, but right now, he's not feeling much more than attraction (mho).

It makes no sense to me he would even consider it, Lana only left a couple weeks ago. If he went in to a relationship it would look like the "sloppy seconds" scenario some are claiming Lois to be.

All in all I thought it was a clunky set up to give Lois no hope so she could move to the rbb without seeming as if she was emotionally cheating on Clark.

[bigblueplanet]

Yeah, I saw it in a similar way.

I personally thought the lyrics played over Lois "are you still in love with me or someone else" fits better as an anvil for the future rbb triangle than commentary on current events.



You mean, from Clark’s POV, right? (ITA to the rest of your post, bty.)

To be honest with you, I’m not sure how much we can read into these songs anymore. I told you about my brain reset syndrome yesterday but your post just triggered one memory. In pre-Power arc, we (and many others) were talking about the song in Bride. We thought Clana would sink because of its lyric; “put me on the ship that is sinking” which was played when they show Lana on screen. And look what happened! :eek:
Well, some might argue with me that Clana did sunk but I see it differently. The ship itself is still out there but some unfortunate circumstances prevent it from returning to their happy harbor.

I wrote this in the music thread but I rather think this song ('Dreamer') was meant as, “Cloiser, be careful what you wish for, you’re only a dreamer…..” LOL Believe me I’m not a born-sarcastic, it’s this show which makes me become one. :\

.

[Watching Smallville]

I feel sorry for Clark. He obviously really likes Lois, but he's so scared. He's scared to let go of the Lana dream -- even though his relationship w her was a nightmare. He's afraid of getting his heart broken again. He's afraid of the way he feels. I wasn't mad. I didn't expect him to show up. I think he needs the time to get his head on straight. And Lois is strong enough to wait.

[Pantalaimon]

And let's not forget the Lana thing. I know most of you would like to forget it, but it would be unfair towards Lois for him to start something with Lois (on top of the fact that is still isn't sure about his own feelings in this.

They danced around the issue a bit, bit here's what I took from it. It's unclear how much Lois knows about the Lana business, but she does know that Clark must still love Lana. Despite that she's willing to give it a try now that Lana is gone. Clark is clearly falling for Lois, but doing anything about that now would be to soon after Lana. He could have had that cup of coffe, but in doing so he would have given a signal to Lois she is perhaps looking for now, but ultimately it wouldn't have been right (again, so soon after Lana).
Clark's did the appropriate thing considering the circumstances.

The unfortunate result is that Lois know thinks Clark isn't into her (which he is), but that makes sense in the bigger story of this season (and the next).

[lois346]

Yeah he's dumb for doing that he should have just went. I felt bad when she was sitting there all by herself. Poor Lois!

[USuperManC]

I had a feeling he wasn't going to walk over to her. I was pissed as hell :mad:

[xrayvision]

My interpretation (on 8th re-watch):

*Clark looks at Lois from across the street*

“......should I go and tell her?......or shouldn’t I………Oh crap I can’t. No way I can answer her love right now and I don’t know how to explain that either. This will hurt her big time but I have no choice……”

*sends a text message*

“Man………..how come this relationship-thing is so damn not easy for me……it’s really not fair…...”

*received her text 20 seconds later*

“…*Gasps* She lied! ……..geez, it means I’ll be back to “be ignored in a 3-hour-downpour” phase? So much for picking her up on time in this timeline……*sighs*…..”

*leaves*



So I think his *thoughts* on the photo you quoted is where he whines about the ‘relationship-thing’.
(i.e. only my interpretation out of 3.57million viewers)


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I completely disagree with that interpretation. I saw the text message as a test by Clark to see if Lois still cares about him without knowing his secret. He knew Lois finally felt special/needed once he told her that secret, which was the whole point of that barn scene. Without telling her the secret, he wasn't sure if Lois' feelings were the same and if she still truly wanted to pursue anything with him. Yes, she did tell me to meet her, but he wasn't sure if not knowing his secret changed anything.

So he sent Lois the message and watched her reaction. The fact that he was there clearly means that he wanted to see how Lois would react. He saw a reaction of disappointment (even though he was behind her, her body language would give it away). He also knows Lois & her defense mechanisms and knew that the message she sent him where she lied about chasing down a lead was a sign of Lois guarding herself. If Lois was instead indifferent after getting Clark's message, he would know that he shouldn't bother pursuing anything with her.

It makes a lot of sense because Clark was burned big time by Lana and doesn't want to put himself in the same situation again. He wanted to be 100% sure before going forward, which he's still not ready to do. I'm saying we won't see him take big leaps with pursuing Lois until the Doomsday business is settled. As we saw in the Infamous barn scene when all pretenses & banter were dropped, Clark used Lois' "special" metaphor in the same way Lois did, meaning that he does love her and didn't tell her the secret because he doesn't want the same stuff that happened to Pete, Chloe, Lana, and several others to happen to her. Of course he will get over this fear eventually & tell Lois his secret anyway, but there will be some time until he realizes that Lois can handle it. But what he does know is that Jor-El told him there is an ultimate Destroyer (Doomsday) whose sole purpose is to kill him and he wants as few people as possible around him when the 2 of them fight.

Lastly, if you rewatch that scene, Clark looks at Lois' message, then looks at Lois and turns his head and walks away. The expression on his face told me that he saw a reaction from Lois that confirmed that secret or no secret, she is still interested in him and he walked away knowing that his plan worked. That expression also told me that he is planning his next move, but will be very careful in doing so. I have no doubt that Clark is interested but did not want to jump in because he had no idea what would have happened had he met with Lois, other than Lois is a pitbull on a pantleg like he said in Hydro. That said, he doesn't want to show interest in Lois only for her to constantly be hounding him like a pitbull at a time when he is very uncertain about everything around him. We all know Lois can come on very strong and Clark to me didn't show up because he wanted to set the pace of his eventual relationship with her.

I was right about my interpretation of Clark's line about Lois being special in the barn scene after being confirmed by a very informative post by MrZeppo and I'm sure I'm right about my interpretation of Clark's decision not to join Lois at the end of Infamous as being a test and wanting to be the one to set the pace given all he has on his plate.

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I feel sorry for Clark. He obviously really likes Lois, but he's so scared. He's scared to let go of the Lana dream -- even though his relationship w her was a nightmare. He's afraid of getting his heart broken again. He's afraid of the way he feels. I wasn't mad. I didn't expect him to show up. I think he needs the time to get his head on straight. And Lois is strong enough to wait.

I have no doubt that he has let go of Lana and that wanting to be with Lana is no longer a factor. The only reason Clark stood Lois up that is Lana-related is the fact that he doesn't want to get burned like Lana burned him again. Lana to Clark is a much worse version of what Oliver was to Lois.

Like I said, we all know he wants Lois in Hex and nothing changed between then & Infamous. He just wants to be very cautious so he doesn't get her killed, so he doesn't hurt her or get hurt himself, and so he doesn't screw things up.

[Supermania]

Look, Clark was patrolling Metropolis and saving the world. I'm not mad at all. Women can be so demanding sometimes! lol

[Skaterpen357]

I completely disagree with that interpretation. I saw the text message as a test by Clark to see if Lois still cares about him without knowing his secret. He knew Lois finally felt special/needed once he told her that secret, which was the whole point of that barn scene. Without telling her the secret, he wasn't sure if Lois' feelings were the same and if she still truly wanted to pursue anything with him. Yes, she did tell me to meet her, but he wasn't sure if not knowing his secret changed anything.

So he sent Lois the message and watched her reaction. The fact that he was there clearly means that he wanted to see how Lois would react. He saw a reaction of disappointment (even though he was behind her, her body language would give it away). He also knows Lois & her defense mechanisms and knew that the message she sent him where she lied about chasing down a lead was a sign of Lois guarding herself. If Lois was instead indifferent after getting Clark's message, he would know that he shouldn't bother pursuing anything with her.

It makes a lot of sense because Clark was burned big time by Lana and doesn't want to put himself in the same situation again. He wanted to be 100% sure before going forward, which he's still not ready to do. I'm saying we won't see him take big leaps with pursuing Lois until the Doomsday business is settled. As we saw in the Infamous barn scene when all pretenses & banter were dropped, Clark used Lois' "special" metaphor in the same way Lois did, meaning that he does love her and didn't tell her the secret because he doesn't want the same stuff that happened to Pete, Chloe, Lana, and several others to happen to her. Of course he will get over this fear eventually & tell Lois his secret anyway, but there will be some time until he realizes that Lois can handle it. But what he does know is that Jor-El told him there is an ultimate Destroyer (Doomsday) whose sole purpose is to kill him and he wants as few people as possible around him when the 2 of them fight.

Lastly, if you rewatch that scene, Clark looks at Lois' message, then looks at Lois and turns his head and walks away. The expression on his face told me that he saw a reaction from Lois that confirmed that secret or no secret, she is still interested in him and he walked away knowing that his plan worked. That expression also told me that he is planning his next move, but will be very careful in doing so. I have no doubt that Clark is interested but did not want to jump in because he had no idea what would have happened had he met with Lois, other than Lois is a pitbull on a pantleg like he said in Hydro. That said, he doesn't want to show interest in Lois only for her to constantly be hounding him like a pitbull at a time when he is very uncertain about everything around him. We all know Lois can come on very strong and Clark to me didn't show up because he wanted to set the pace of his eventual relationship with her.

I was right about my interpretation of Clark's line about Lois being special in the barn scene after being confirmed by a very informative post by MrZeppo and I'm sure I'm right about my interpretation of Clark's decision not to join Lois at the end of Infamous as being a test and wanting to be the one to set the pace given all he has on his plate.
This seems to make sense, but honestly, I thought the scene was played straight for the most part: Clark was genuinely conflicted as to whether or not he should see Lois, seeing as how he got burned before. Eventually, he decided against it, and texted Lois to see her reaction, I suppose...not to test her, but because he feels guilty about standing her up. When Lois texted Clark back, that was just one of those "this sucks" moments...the guilt hit Clark right there, but he knew he had to take things slower this time. The look on his face didn't quite convey a successful test to me; it was more like lamentation of how his secret had apparently hurt someone else close to him.

[xrayvision]

The reason I don't think he felt too guilty here was because he knew what would happen to her if he told her the secret. He lost Pete & was shown to regret telling Chloe in Abyss (and even Pete since he refused to tell Lana in Forsaken & Covenant after Pete left).

I think the fact that he didn't linger at the scene for long & instead looked at Lois & then turned his head & left is a sign that he wasn't that guilty about it. He definitely regretted hurting Lois since you could see him swallowing, but I definitely viewed it as a test since he was present. But there is no question it was the right thing to do given Clark's circumstances & history.

[CloisFan17]

yeah I mean even if it was friendly that was just wrong!!!!!!!!! I would have been pissed even if it was Chloe, that was soooo sad the way she said "Chasing a Lead, couldn't make it anyway" to me that made it worse that is sooooo sad I hated Clark on that part

[Doomsday44]

Well Lois kind of put Clark in a tough spot. Either u show up and were gonna start dating, or don't and I get the picture kinda thing. I think Clark knew he at this point he had some feelings for Lois, but at that time Clark wasn't quite ready to explore them. I was mad at the time for sure, but after thinking about it it would of been too soon after the whole Lana Arc.

[CloisFan17]

^^Yeah thats true & maybe it was for the best that he didn't show up but sooner or later something is going to happen & I bet you anything that he won't tell her his secret till maybe later later on or she will find out on her own however they are playing it in smallville

[davidbrenton]

If it makes me want Clois more, I can't be mad period.

[slimm]

I think clark felt that lois was already hurt in the original time, whilst she was in the barn with him. So he thought that it would be best for now if they didn't take the relationship further, which is again something that clark would do. But after he received the reply text from lois, the expression on his face seemed as if he was surpirsed that lois didn't text back saying that she was waiting for him at the coffee shop (in an annoyed way, like she was at the start of the episode). Also I think that he still hasn't fully forgotten what happened between lana and himself and therefore he is wary of moving on so quickly with another girl.

[Skaterpen357]

The reason I don't think he felt too guilty here was because he knew what would happen to her if he told her the secret. He lost Pete & was shown to regret telling Chloe in Abyss (and even Pete since he refused to tell Lana in Forsaken & Covenant after Pete left).

I think the fact that he didn't linger at the scene for long & instead looked at Lois & then turned his head & left is a sign that he wasn't that guilty about it. He definitely regretted hurting Lois since you could see him swallowing, but I definitely viewed it as a test since he was present. But there is no question it was the right thing to do given Clark's circumstances & history.
Yeah...I don't know; it just doesn't seem in-character for Clark to test someone's feelings for him. And knowing he can't tell Lois his secret doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't feel guilty for standing her up. But I agree; at that point, realistically, that was his only option.

[supervision]

very miffed :(

[Cage]

May have answered this one - but, he knew how she felt - she told him for gosh sakes - she's a nice person to him and she's only beena loyal friend to him -

the writers should have let him get his head out of his arse and become a man - He's supposed to be Superman - not Superwimp -

He ends up with her anyway -

Grow a pair Clarkie boy !!!!!!

Thank god for season 9 - he deserves everything he gets from Lois

Peace

[wellinglover66]

Nope, because it wasn't a date in the first place...he didn't agree to anything. Lois should've been matter of fact and asked for a firm yes or no instead of her being vague...at least to me it was.

[Simba_Muffy]

Nope not mad. I think it was pretty obvious Clark has some pretty deep feelings for Lois and doesn't know yet how to deal with them.


I agree. Now, he and Lois are together for real, for good. I love Clois, but I'm glad it didn't happen too fast.

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I feel the same way. If it weren't for Tom Welling's superb acting I might have felt differently, but he so accurately and wonderfully portrayed everything Clark was feeling without uttering a single word. To me, it was self evident on Clark's face.

I also go back to where Clark indicated to Chloe that Lois was too complex. I feel like Lana was his safe harbor, I'm not disputing he had feelings for her because he obviously did, but she was what he had accustomed himself to. A girl that he'd been thinking was the kind of girl he wanted from since his teenage years. Lois is everything he never knew he always wanted. That's scary to him because he can't categorize Lois to the same place that other women in his life have meant to him. Lois isn't just another territory, she's a whole other planet.

He's just beginning to realize how special Lois really is and he doesn't want to hurt her for the world, certainly not because of putting her in danger by knowledge of him and how others will try to hurt her. Something that is frustrating for some of us fans, because we know he will and want him to work it out that she'll be in danger from not knowing as well. Actually didn't Clark say something like that back in 'Bloodline' how Lois' not knowing almost got her killed? But I don't think his feelings for her in that episode were as strong as they were at the end of 'Infamous' so it changes things I imagine. But for all that, he also can't help himself. It's why he turned down her offer to just forget about it. He doesn't want to forget about it but he also doesn't know what to do about it. The desperate look on his face said it all. He wanted to cross the street, but he knew it wouldn't be just a coffee because he has feelings for Lois, he knows she has feelings for him I think, and he didn't know what he would even say and feared the consequences. A conflict of the heart and mind. It happens to the best of us.

I'm sure Lois was stung, but she is a tough girl, and she will be just fine. That is something Clark needs to see as well. When it comes to her emotions Lois is a woman of steel. She fears very little and is one of the bravest characters I've known and that is something I think Clark will need to realize through the persona he has yet to create. Because like ‘supes0’ suggested, Lois’ reaction to an alien that isn’t someone she’s known for awhile, but seems to be an entirely new person in her life, that’ll go a long way to how Clark views Lois.

I don't think Clark was being immature or stupid at all in the last scene. He has never been this careful about getting into a relationship before and the last girl he admired from afar he hardly even knew, more than just the fact that she was pretty, when he was watching her. So it isn't like he is being a stalker here either. He knows Lois very well, she's at the very least a good friend and his colleague. Someone he spends a lot of time with, working 'side by side' Didn't he say something about wanting that in 'Requiem' He was speaking to Lana at the time, but I'm sure I'm not the only one that thought of Lois when he said that. A lady he most definitely works with everyday side by side. She's right across the desk from him in fact. ;)

I also don't think Clark had nary a thought about Lana for the majority, if not the whole, of this episode. He certainly wasn't thinking about Lana in that last scene. So I disagree with those that think he was struggling with getting over Lana and that is what kept him from crossing the street. In that moment it was all about Lois and Clark. Maybe in the following episodes he will mention how hard it has been to get over Lana, and then I'll be wrong, but from this episode I got the impression that he got over her and is ready to move on with his life. I would have preferred to see more of that than just Clark waving off Chloe's mention of Lana, but I think this is all we're gonna get. I don't even know how long (on the show) it has been since 'Requiem' but if it seems like Clark got over her fast, well he bounced back into a relationship with her just as quickly, so I guess it is only fitting. But then, as Clark himself indicated, Clana was more of a dream, more something he had convinced himself was the fantasy. The reality wasn't nearly as nice. When they were together the moments of happiness were short lived and if they weren't being made miserable by outside forces than they made each other miserable by their plethora of break ups. I'm as frustrated as the lot of you that the writers went down the Clana road yet again, but they did, and yet it still didn't ring of true love, if it ever did. It felt like Clark wanting to cling to what he used to and Lana trying to find meaning in her hollow life. Like I said, Lana was the safe harbor for him in a storm of emotions because she had always been 'that girl' and the fact that in Bulletproof he didn't care how long she was going to be around just proves that point. Lana was comfortable, Lois is disquieting. It was easier to try and be with Lana than it was to face his feelings for Lois. That was a bit cowardly, I will admit, but then I also think Clark got victimized by that whole arc as a lot of us did.

In 'Infamous' he wasn't cowardly. He was facing himself, the world, and his feelings for Lois and still managed to think the things through to do what he thought was best. It is very likely going to come to bite him in the a** but he doesn't know that. Clark jumped into a relationship with Lana without pausing to weigh the consequences. While with Lois he has paused to consider the situation and is trying to listen to both his head and his heart instead of just his heart. I think not only is he concerned with keeping Lois safe, but he has had his own heart stomped on more than a few times and he's probably sick of being hurt. I know I would be. Being a 'grown up' being an 'adult' does not keep you from being cautious of being hurt, it certainly doesn't keep you from trying to figure out the best way to keep the other person from being hurt. Being a brave grown up means setting aside the more juvenile thoughts of love and of walking into things without thinking, it means you are now adrift in the sea of complex adult emotions and with that complexity comes a requirement to think before you act.

Unfortunately that causes moments like the last scene in "Infamous" where both parties got hurt and yes I think Clark was hurt as well, his face was full of that emotion. This is hardly the look of an indifferent person.

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I can hardly fault him or be angry with him for being one of the most human Kryptonians there probably ever was or will be. He has never met a woman like Lois before, and he has never had feelings for a woman like her before either. Like I said previously, Lois is an entirely different planet from Lana and the feelings Clark has for both women are and are going to be equally different. Where he was foolhardy and rushed into things with Lana, he has to be just as thoughtful and slow as he gets into a relationship with Lois. It is going to take time, and there are going to be bumps in the road, but that's life.

I loved that last scene. I forgot about Clana entirely while watching it, I forgot about the previous two horrible episodes. Of course it came back to me later, but at least I had a bit of peace. I was lost in the moment and it was one hell of a moment, because I think it marks the start of Clark's side of Clois. The first half of this season was all about Lois' side of things. I think the imagery used in the coffee shop scene as well as the setup for the scene itself went a long way to starting down Clark's side and I look forward to seeing that.

I know not everyone feels that way, and I know that there are some that are most certainly not going to share my views on Clana or Clois. I understand that and want to say that anything I present as my opinion is just that and is not meant to trash on any fans that feel differently. :)

Great Post.

[Dyanara]

I'm still pissed about this event, or maybe its more like I get over it and then Clark does something else to Lois that pisses me off that adds to my list which already has the Infamous incident on it. I just hate that Lois continually puts herself out there and gets hurt by Clark and the writers just make her have to deal with it and forgive it no matter what it is. Clark should have to work for Lois instead of getting her easily like a happy meal.

[LoveHurts38]

Nope, now that time has passed what like 2 years....both were not ready yet.

[BoyScout-ManOfTomorrow]

27 pages of this topic? Did you miss the part where Clark confining to others (including Lois and letting her in on his life) made everything worse for everybody basically. Her mom almost lost the senator seat, Chloe got murdered...I think had Clark joined Lois it wouldn't have flown too well with the theme/events of the episode.

Is the concept of superheroes keeping distance to the people they love to protect them so new to so many people?

[jon-el87]

Is the concept of superheroes keeping distance to the people they love to protect them so new to so many people?

Seeing as non-comic book readers made out like over 90 % of the show's audience...? Yes.

[KMRR16]

I was never mad, it was one of my favourite scenes, even if it was heartbreaking, and he did show up, all dressed up.

[liana]

27 pages of this topic? Did you miss the part where Clark confining to others (including Lois and letting her in on his life) made everything worse for everybody basically. Her mom almost lost the senator seat, Chloe got murdered...I think had Clark joined Lois it wouldn't have flown too well with the theme/events of the episode.

Is the concept of superheroes keeping distance to the people they love to protect them so new to so many people?

I really don't believe it was about protecting her. It was more about protecting his heart. It was about making sure he wouldn't get hurt again. This was actually pretty clear when he talked to Chloe about it... or better, refused to talk to Chloe about it. :lol:

Now, as for being mad, no I am not. At least not now that I understand why he did it. Back then, when I first saw the scene I was disapointed he wasn't adult enough to go to Lois and tell her he wasn't ready to be in a relationship. I thought it was the mature way to handle what happened, after all, they were friends.

Now, even though I still believe that talking to her about it would have been the mature route, I do understand that Clark couldn't even talk about it. He was terrified of falling in love again and being heartbroken again, and Lois presented too much of a temptation to him. He didn't know what to do. He didn't want to close that door, and yet he didn't want to open it either.

[luckycloisfan]

I just saw Infamous on TNT... honestly, EVERY-time I see that final scene, I feel the same way. Anger at Clark and hurt for Lois. He was a total and complete jerk to her... no excuses!!!

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Nope, now that time has passed what like 2 years....both were not ready yet.

I don't get the LOIS not being ready yet part. I took them months to get together, because of CLARK, not because of her. She was completely opening up to him - running into his arms at the beginning of Season 9 and telling him her feelings in Rabid. No gimmicks or hiding behind a phone distorter. Lois was ready and open to being with him. That's why SHE was sitting there waiting for HIM.

He just blew her off!

[TheSecretVampire]

Obviously, at the time I was mad. But after time went by and seeing how they got together and truly loved each other, no more mad on this end, lol. Besides, Clark wasn't ready to just fly into another relationship, after his with Lana just ended. He needed time to adjust and move on from that. I felt they built up the Clark/Lois relationship perfectly. Then, in season nine, he was in total control and clearly, needed her just as much she needed him.

[nate-dog1701d]

I think it would have been dumb to have them start dating the very episode after Lana left. If anyone's ever thought Lois was just Clark's rebound girl, well, that argument would have some good ammunition at its disposal.


I just saw Infamous on TNT... honestly, EVERY-time I see that final scene, I feel the same way. Anger at Clark and hurt for Lois. He was a total and complete jerk to her... no excuses!!!

A jerk? She gave him an out within her invitation. She specifically gave him the option to either show up or not show up, in which case she said she'd understand. I can understand Lois being disappointed, but she had no right to be mad at him. I think it says something about Clark that he was concerned enough to go check on her.

[BoyScout-ManOfTomorrow]

I really don't believe it was about protecting her. It was more about protecting his heart. It was about making sure he wouldn't get hurt again. This was actually pretty clear when he talked to Chloe about it... or better, refused to talk to Chloe about it. :lol:

So Clark would risk it all happening again if he wasn't worried about getting himself hurt?

Lois thought she wasn't special enough to know Clark's secret when he was about to go to the past to do things differently. He said it's quite the opposite. To me it's still about Clark not wanting to risk Lois' life (dating her would put her in harm's way whether he told her or not) but the show has send mixed signals before so...

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I just saw Infamous on TNT... honestly, EVERY-time I see that final scene, I feel the same way. Anger at Clark and hurt for Lois. He was a total and complete jerk to her... no excuses!!!

Would you feel differently if Clark's exposed secret would have caused Doomsday to hunt down the person who wrote the article (Lois!) for information and kill her as a result? You know, like what happened with Chloe...