View Full Version : Do you blame Clark for being so insecure right now?
Candice
03-12-2009, 07:04 PM
I'm kind of sad for Lois, but I understand Clark. He's been hurt by the whole Clana stuff and he's just not ready for another heartbreak. :(
zorasuperman
03-12-2009, 07:08 PM
I see that on one hand, but then on the other hand I want to strangle him. He knows that Lois wants him (and from what I can see he wants her too); she is someone who understands him, etc, etc. all that good stuff. I see that he is afraid of heartbreak but then at another angle I see that she truly understood Clark Kent for who he truly was; we saw that in the AU. And she didn't reject Clark, the poor girl was there at the coffee place waiting for him. But Clark was waiting in the back.
LOL well i'm getting a little ahead of myself, PS3 are trying to extend the Clois relationship I'm guessing as long as possible and I can understand that.
melissan02
03-12-2009, 07:12 PM
Pffffft....Clark, who cares?:rolleyes:
myankskent
03-12-2009, 07:19 PM
I really don't feel anything for Clark. Given that his romantic future is shot thanks to that last arc, I really can't take anything that he does seriously anymore in that department.
redeem147
03-12-2009, 07:21 PM
I'm glad Clark is insecure. If he didn't care about Lois he wouldn't be afraid of being hurt again. So obviously his feelings are pretty strong.
kg1507
03-12-2009, 07:22 PM
I understand. He's terrified of losing Lois like he lost Lana. Cut the guy a break.
Supsfan
03-12-2009, 07:23 PM
I voted No because I blame the writers
Mickey_Bickey
03-12-2009, 07:24 PM
Insecure? How about foolish??
LovelyLoisLane
03-12-2009, 07:47 PM
He's as insecure inside as Lois is. Lois is just better at playing it tough than he is. Didn't Kelly Souders say that 'their' insecurities were going to get in the way? As in both of them?
I can forgive him that. Will Lois though? That's a different issue. I really liked that she gave him a hard time when he forgot her at the airport, but I’m also glad she wasn’t too *****y. She even said that the coffee date wasn't a big deal, though it obviously was. I don't know, I'll guess we will see in her next episode.
I really liked that she told him that she'd been down the superhero road before, but he was different. That was something I was saying back in “Siren” when some people were going off that because she couldn’t stay in a relationship with Oliver that she’d never be able to handle it. I said that Clark wasn’t Oliver and that with him I was pretty sure it’d be different. But I'm not real sure on why exactly he was reasoning that he didn't want to tell Lois. I mean I figured he would tell her as the RBB and see how she'd react, but she wouldn't know the RBB was Clark yet. I'm thinking eventually that WILL happen, but as for right now I'm not really sure I was clear on his reasoning. It obviously isn't because he doesn't trust her, this episode made it clear that he thinks pretty highly of Lois as a reporter and he also told her she was special . . . but not telling her because he thinks it would be dangerous for her, that doesn't really make sense either. There was only one moment that she was in any kind of danger really and that was because he went about outing-himself in an unwise manner. Going with Chloe's suggestion wouldn't have nearly the same effect if he didn't out 'everything' like not saying who he had told before Lois and not saying who his friends are, things like that that would give his complete identity away. Outing himself as a different persona is a far wiser choice and it wouldn‘t be as dangerous for Lois.
I just don't know. I liked tonight's episode and pro-active, self-thinking Superman was back. That was great to see. Seeing Lois again was even nicer. I'm just worried they are going to insert un-needed drama, but I did like seeing Clark watch Lois from afar with 'that' look on his face. Reminds me of another Clark and another Lois. That whole talk they hand in the barn was very sweet, I didn‘t expect that.
In closing, I think Clark's character definitely got victimized by the whole ridiculous Lana-arc as much as we all did. I don't want him to get a free pass, and I don't want winning Lois' affections to be eggs-over-easy, but I don't think he should have to be dragged over broken glass either.
Alexander III
03-12-2009, 07:49 PM
He's been insecure from the first day I watch smallvillle S01E01. C'mon Clark, MAN UP BUCKO!!
-Nora-
03-12-2009, 07:51 PM
I understand. He's terrified of losing Lois like he lost Lana. Cut the guy a break.
I agree. He's scared of opening his heart up again. But apparently Clark is not allowed to be scared.
I totally understand him.
BadToad
03-12-2009, 07:55 PM
In closing, I think Clark's character definitely got victimized by the whole ridiculous Lana-arc as much as we all did. I don't want him to get a free pass, and I don't want winning Lois' affections to be eggs-over-easy, but I don't think he should have to be dragged over broken glass either.
I love the way you put that LLL :)
I'm really torn here. I just wish the show had better writers, so that they could write the dialogue that would articulate the characters thoughts and feelings a bit better. And I hate the position they put Clark in, with it being obvious that they have no clue how to write him out of it. Its very frustrating as a Clark fan.
mariagabriela
03-12-2009, 07:56 PM
He's been insecure from the first day I watch smallvillle S01E01. C'mon Clark, MAN UP BUCKO!!
LOL! That's so true.
davidbrenton
03-12-2009, 07:57 PM
I am torn as well. I LOVE the way they are writing Clois...I am hesitant with how they wrote Clana....but, I have NO COMPLAINTS about Clois whatsoever. So, Clark, take it as easy and slow as you want.......we've got another 29 episodes to make Clois perfect.
susangail
03-12-2009, 07:58 PM
I voted Undecided - yes and no:
Yes, because he walked away from an opportunity to relate to Lois with face-saving potential, and he lied about it. Then he forced her to lie about it and watched her do it.
No, because TW and ED did the best they could with the script they were given. They keyed well into the emotions that were expected, but the words seemed odd.
In short, I wanted to slap someone.
KaleldaNole
03-12-2009, 08:04 PM
No because i dont want clark's insecurities to ruin what he might have with lois, he needs to be ready to open up for them to be great together it's quite obvious that he isn't, Clark is a kryptonian raised with human emotions moreso in the what i like to call smallville mythos than canon, he needs time. If you think about it he's probably just turning 22, how many 22 year olds did you know were completely emotionally stable and knew exactly what they wanted in their love-life, still tw & ed doing a great job, Besides if clark needs a little fling with tess to get rid of the lana hangover i'll take it.
Lilah
03-12-2009, 08:10 PM
I said no, because as much as I wish he would have crossed the street, I understand why he didn't... I understand why he didn't tell her. She'll always be in danger knowing his secret, that's why he wiped it from Chloe's memory... Lois is special, she's the first person he told, that didn't have to find out on their own (Pete, Chloe, Oliver, Lana...) So yeah. The Clois in this episode was very well written. It's heartbreaking and bittersweet.
Dyanara
03-12-2009, 08:15 PM
Please Lois find a new man, and let this one have no secrets in the closet.
petewillreturn
03-12-2009, 08:33 PM
I said no, because as much as I wish he would have crossed the street, I understand why he didn't... I understand why he didn't tell her. She'll always be in danger knowing his secret, that's why he wiped it from Chloe's memory... Lois is special, she's the first person he told, that didn't have to find out on their own (Pete, Chloe, Oliver, Lana...) So yeah. The Clois in this episode was very well written. It's heartbreaking and bittersweet.
I like what you wrote.
I voted for I’m not sure. Of course I wanted him to walk across the street and all that good stuff, but we still have more of season 8 and season 9.
I’m still wondering what Clark was thinking when he told Chloe that Lois was never to know, and also why he destroyed the ring.
LovelyLoisLane
03-12-2009, 08:38 PM
I love the way you put that LLL :)
I'm really torn here. I just wish the show had better writers, so that they could write the dialogue that would articulate the characters thoughts and feelings a bit better. And I hate the position they put Clark in, with it being obvious that they have no clue how to write him out of it. Its very frustrating as a Clark fan.
Thank you, but it is true. I'll never like Lana again, never really did before unless she was Dark!Lana, but I can still like Clark and watching tonight’s episode I remembered why I had really come to like him a lot this season. I don't want to see him have to be raked over the coals, because I don't think he deserves that. I really liked him a lot tonight and I can forgive him being insecure about Lois, because she is insecure about him herself. I'd be a pretty big hypocrite to say that it is alright for Lois to be insecure but not Clark. He fell into the black hole that was Lana, and while I wanted to kill him for doing that it wasn't like I didn't understand at least some of where he was coming from. Anyone that has ever been in a dysfunctional relationship, self included, can say how easy it is to fall back into old patterns, no matter how many times it didn't work before. Us fans have the benefit of being on the outside looking in and to many of us we want to scream "GET OVER LANA YOU FOOL!" but if we were in Clark's position would it be that easy? That doesn't mean I think the writers made a good decision with that whole arc, in fact it was pretty bloody awful, but I just don't want Clark to have to undergo more character-sacrifice then they already put him through, just to make us Lois fans feel better that she came out of that terrible Lana-arc looking like a chump . . . because Clark was made to look like a chump too. I can forgive him that. I would have liked him to at least have coffee with Lois though, good grief, but hey he did make sure he was at the airport to pick her up on time the second round. ;)
I think the show has good writers, but I just think that when they get together to brainstorm, that the ideas they choose for dialogue and plots aren't always . . . good. :p Not letting us hear what Lois thought about Clark being an alien wasn't really explored and I think that was unfortunate, and I didn't totally understand what Clark was saying about not being able to ever tell Lois, or moreover I didn’t really catch what his reasoning was. Which any Superman fan worth their salt knows can't possibly be the case forever, not even on SV. I did however like this episode. I really liked how strong Clark was with his convictions and that he was very pro-active in this episode. As for dialogue I think having Clark watch Lois from afar sadly like that was a good choice as well as them both using poor work-related excuses on their text messages. I mean if they weren't going to let Clark have coffee with Lois then having him watch her was better choice then say, having him just not show up at all. It gave that feeling that they use in romantic fantasy stories of "so close and yet so far" that I enjoy. I don't want to see a heavy Clois subplot full of bull crap drama, but I think that scene worked and it worked well without spoken dialogue.
I also really liked the dialogue in the barn about Lois explaining how Clark was different and Clark telling Lois that she 'was' special. It made them both seem like they though the other was different/special. I thought that was very nice dialogue and it gave us a good idea of just how insecure Lois really is, even though she puts up a brave front, like a soldier heading out for the battlefield. ;) To use a metaphor a general's daughter would probably enjoy.
So I think there were some really good choices in this episodes, and a few that didn't work, but overall I really liked the episode, and I really liked Clark and it left me with a good feeling. So in closing, yes I can forgive him being insecure and I can understand, as long as it isn't dragged out unnecessarily.
Did anyone notice that there was hardly any mention of Lana in the episode? I think Chloe mentioned it just that once and that was about it. In response Clark didn’t say anything about Lana, but instead made a reference back to “Identity” as to his reasoning to outing himself. She wasn’t in the ‘previously on Smallville’ either. They showed Clois breaking away from their kiss in ‘Bride’ and we heard Chloe say “Oh my God!” but they didn’t say Lana’s name and didn’t show her. I think the writers are trying to get past that whole two-episode bull crap arc, so having minimal Lana mentioned in this episode or before was probably a good choice to that end.
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I said no, because as much as I wish he would have crossed the street, I understand why he didn't... I understand why he didn't tell her. She'll always be in danger knowing his secret, that's why he wiped it from Chloe's memory... Lois is special, she's the first person he told, that didn't have to find out on their own (Pete, Chloe, Oliver, Lana...) So yeah. The Clois in this episode was very well written. It's heartbreaking and bittersweet.
I'm happy a Clois fan was alright with this episode, because I thought it worked pretty darn well. In my humble little opinion, and thankfully no kiss. It wasn't a rush job and I can appreciate that.
I do think Clark was struggling with himself to cross that street, the look on his face said it all. Tom Welling has become a wonderful actor, especially when he is given good material to work with. I mean even the world's best thespian can't turn dirt into gold, LOL :P But this script was nice and I could see how Tom was putting what he was feeling into Clark's expression as he watched Lois from across the way and I thought it was lovely.
blink2matrix
03-12-2009, 08:56 PM
iunno, his insecurity doesn't seem to be at all about Lois accepting it or liking him. Every time she's found out it's kinda made them more in love and he has recollections of all these times. I think it really is just about keeping Lois safe and in that aspect i definitely don't blame him for not wanting to tell/advance their relationship.
Alicia Chipy
03-12-2009, 09:36 PM
Yes & No.
I don't want Lois to be a rebound love,but I would hate an angsty Clana like relationship too.
Clark had all intentions to cross the street. I mean he was all dress up but he didn't want to hurt her. I guess after all the Lana stuff that I prefer to ignore, he needs more time so he can deserve Lois....Although, I didn't like the fact that she put herself out there and asked him for coffee...They should have had Lois put up the walls again and have him work for her love.
I just hope the wait is worth it.
tbird4u
03-12-2009, 10:06 PM
Im suprised by all the hate on clark. I thought this episode was overall pretty amazing. I think clark is letting himself finally realize that he does have a connection to lois, and I think it scares the hell out of him. I mean like faby said he came their with every intention of crossing that street. He saw her setting there and just didnt want to get hurt, and didnt want to hurt her. It was sad actually for both of em'. I mean he didnt even have to show up, or could have told her at the planet that he wasnt coming. Also if he didnt have those feelings inside that are boiling to the surface, he probably would have still missed picking her up. I personally think at the very end, he realizes lois loves him. He woke up in a sense, and in return he knows he has these feelings, and at that moment he was SCARED. He realized that lois is different from lana and its a whole new ballgame. Hes just not to place yet where he has exepted his destiny.
Iluvgreen
03-12-2009, 10:31 PM
I respect his descion because he really needs to get over Lana first.
ginnyfan
03-13-2009, 12:41 AM
Ha! He was crawling at the end of "Requiem." CRAWLING!
*snort*
Blame him or not... he's insecure and it's continuity.
Sunny8
03-13-2009, 12:56 AM
I was a little unhappy with Clark at first but now I'm getting over it. Clark is so afraid of being hurt and he is still just getting over his relationship with the Pink Blur. I can understand that he needs time but I just wish he would keep Lois out of it until he can get his act together.
svtwamedfan05
03-13-2009, 01:25 AM
I understand that he's insecure. Clark is just not ready to take that step yet. He's doubting himself after all the mistakes he made with Lana he doesn't want to do that same thing with Lois because he cares for Lois alot more than he's ready to admit.
skugers
03-13-2009, 01:53 AM
No way! He's not insecure! He's made a bold decision in the end of the episode, IMO! He chose to 'give up' (or stood up, as some people said) Lois in order to protect her. After what happened with Linda Lake he is convinced that he'd put Lois in danger if he'd confess again about his heritage. And he knows that he can't be in a relationship with Lois bringing to the table half truths. She's just not that girl... He knows now that she deserves all of him, alien or no alien. But he just can't endanger her for his feelings' sake.
Sports72Xtrm
03-13-2009, 02:37 AM
Good Job Lana you finally broke Clark and he's too frightened to move on to anything else now because of the traumatic experience he had with Clana. Oh well let the healing begin.:p
skugers
03-13-2009, 04:37 AM
He was insecure when he didn't want to tell Lana his secret because he was afraid she would blame him for her parents death. That was insecurity. Not now. Now he's scared, but not because of Lois' reaction. after Infamous he knows Lois' reaction would be a positive. He's 'secure' on this one :D
costas22
03-13-2009, 06:39 AM
When i saw a hint in the spoilers about Clois kissing here i was worried.There was no way after what happened in Requiem that Clark could move on in the next episode.He has to have more time.Hey at least this ordeal in Infamous gave him the chance to see that there is also Lois for him.I think that for now,this is a big deal.Besides,if he went to the coffee shop with her in the end,we might as well have wrapped the show up.
Tompouce
03-13-2009, 06:41 AM
Anna, ITA agree with your both last posts. Clark don't feel insecure at all.
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When i saw a hint in the spoilers about Clois kissing here i was worried.There was no way after what happened in Requiem that Clark could move on in the next episode.He has to have more time.Hey at least this ordeal in Infamous gave him the chance to see that there is also Lois for him.I think that for now,this is a big deal.Besides,if he went to the coffee shop with her in the end,we might as well have wrapped the show up.
ITA, Clark and Lois/Lois and Clark:p;)
skugers
03-13-2009, 06:45 AM
When i saw a hint in the spoilers about Clois kissing here i was worried.There was no way after what happened in Requiem that Clark could move on in the next episode.He has to have more time.Hey at least this ordeal in Infamous gave him the chance to see that there is also Lois for him.I think that for now,this is a big deal.Besides,if he went to the coffee shop with her in the end,we might as well have wrapped the show up.
You put it way better than me. I totally agree.
Jack-El49
03-13-2009, 07:28 AM
If Clark sat down with Lois, talked to her like a mature man saying that he wants to sort things out in his own mind so he doesn't hurt her again, that would not have been the end of the show. So we're left with a Lois that thinks he isn't interested and she moves on to RBB and he will always play catch up until he reveals himself to her as RBB. ***YAWN***
The show is over because they took the same route as every other adaptation of Superman.
kryptotrite
03-13-2009, 07:32 AM
He just had his heart ripped out. No way is he ready for something new.
Jack-El49
03-13-2009, 07:34 AM
He just had his heart ripped out. No way is he ready for something new.
And that's the biggest faux pas that SV has made, IMO. Had the AU Lana returns as a superhero and saviour of mankind arc been handled correctly, this angsty BS wouldn't have been necessary.
LoveHurts38
03-13-2009, 08:39 AM
He is just insecure that all to it.
Minela
03-13-2009, 08:41 AM
No way! He's not insecure! He's made a bold decision in the end of the episode, IMO! He chose to 'give up' (or stood up, as some people said) Lois in order to protect her. After what happened with Linda Lake he is convinced that he'd put Lois in danger if he'd confess again about his heritage. And he knows that he can't be in a relationship with Lois bringing to the table half truths. She's just not that girl... He knows now that she deserves all of him, alien or no alien. But he just can't endanger her for his feelings' sake.
Well said. He can't be in a relationship with Lois without telling her. He knows that.
But we know better...:p, no matter how much he tries...he won't be able to stay away. ;)
melissan02
03-13-2009, 10:23 AM
And that's the biggest faux pas that SV has made, IMO. Had the AU Lana returns as a superhero and saviour of mankind arc been handled correctly, this angsty BS wouldn't have been necessary.Wonderful, Jack! You're exactly right!
Sarevokcz
03-13-2009, 10:26 AM
And that's the biggest faux pas that SV has made, IMO. Had the AU Lana returns as a superhero and saviour of mankind arc been handled correctly, this angsty BS wouldn't have been necessary.
Couldnt say it any better.
e-µ-i
03-13-2009, 03:52 PM
I really don't blame him. Taking what happened in consideration, he wants to protect Lois, while not getting too attached to her.
BULLITT
03-14-2009, 06:20 PM
Pa Kent would've helped him get a better handle on things.
j-kent
03-14-2009, 10:02 PM
I'm kind of sad for Lois, but I understand Clark. He's been hurt by the whole Clana stuff and he's just not ready for another heartbreak. :(
HUH???? It's not even about that....he's just trying to avoid getting close that he can protect Lois
kg1507
03-15-2009, 07:57 PM
Pa Kent would've helped him get a better handle on things.
Oh WHY did they have to kill him off??? (I really do know why, that was a rhetorical question :p)
yaseen101
03-16-2009, 09:09 AM
I like what you wrote.
I voted for I’m not sure. Of course I wanted him to walk across the street and all that good stuff, but we still have more of season 8 and season 9.
I’m still wondering what Clark was thinking when he told Chloe that Lois was never to know, and also why he destroyed the ring.
'Cause Linda Lake almost took over the world with it. I applaud Clark for taking such a difficult desicion since the Legion ring is something which had such a big sentimental value. I say this as a Superman/DCU fan and avid comic reader. It's just one of those moral dillema's of being a superhero sometimes you are put into a situation where you have to do something for the greater good even if most people don't like it. It was the same with Lois, he didn't want drag Lois through all the **** Chloe, Lana and Pete went through because of his secret.
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