Clois scenes

[rebecavaldez]

What did you think about them? Did you like them? Did they rock? Did they suck?
TALK ALL ABOUT CLOIS HERE!

[Rift]

Does it really mean much if it's AU? They might as well fight in a cage match for all it probably matters...oh wait.

[melissan02]

I was waiting for this thread to get posted! Goodie!:D

[damara531]

I was waiting for this thread to get posted! Goodie!:D

Me too! I can't wait for tonight...all I can say is I have high hopes that all these months of waiting for Lois' return will FINALLY pay off!

[gossiper101]

Me too! I can't wait for tonight...all I can say is I have high hopes that all these months of waiting for Lois' return will FINALLY pay off!
I know right!!!:p

[rebecavaldez]

I was waiting for this thread to get posted! Goodie!:D
When I saw that nobody had posted it up...I took the chance. I can tell this is going to be a Clois episode!!!

[skylar]

All the Lois scenes will be fun to watch

[Tompouce]

When I saw that nobody had posted it up...I took the chance. I can tell this is going to be a Clois episode!!!
For sure, it will be. That is why everybody is excited:p

[LoveHurts38]

Thanks Rebeca**smile**

[KEakaCK]

I had a feeling of thrill shooting up my leg...:lol:

[rebecavaldez]

Thanks Rebeca**smile**
Why you're welcome...but what did I do?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR_Ce3DT4sw Last day to enter!!!

[liana]

What did you think about them? Did you like them? Did they rock? Did they suck?
TALK ALL ABOUT CLOIS HERE!

They always rock whenever they are together. :p

But Lois rocks more... :D

[vyperman7]

One thing I am worried about is that the Clois scenes will be rushed over. For example, anytime there has been a reveal with a woman in Clark's life it is always rushed through. Remember Lana in Reckoning? Clark says he is from another planet, and then instead of emotions from Lana, looking pack on past times where Clark saved her life, etc, it jumped right into the proposal.

The interview segment alone should be at least 7-10 minutes long. I want Clark to tell Lois in detail about growing up with powers and what it was like, as well as his origins regarding Krypton. Something tells me they are going to try and fit a lot into this episode which means that it will be rushed.

[xrayvision]

There have been some very nice scenes in Infamous between the 2. I'm looking forward to uninterrupted plots with the 2 next season very much.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

SUCH a sad ending

[Mrs. Superman]

Umm what was up with the ending? I mean not only did he leave her hanging, but he had to watch her feel humiliated. COWARD!!! Yes it was dramatic but I felt so bad for Lois. Worse than I felt for her in Bride. Oh he better make this up to her.

[melissan02]

Clois magic? Ha!:rolleyes: There's only LOIS magic!! She deserves better!! :mad:
And I know just where she can find it!;)

[Cage]

Things to blame for this scenarios

1) Season 9
2) The writers

She proved herself to everyone but him - hence the term BDA

[Kel-El09]

Umm what was up with the ending? I mean not only did he leave her hanging, but he had to watch her feel humiliated. COWARD!!! Yes it was dramatic but I felt so bad for Lois. Worse than I felt for her in Bride. Oh he better make this up to her.
So what? I didn't get to watch the episode...he didn't pick her up from the airport??!! OR WHAT?

[lisasstar]

PERFECT ICONIC CLOIS END SCENE. . . .that scene was pure perfection. It is theor relationship. . . .Lois will always be waiting for Clark. . .he will always be a hero, saving the world. . . .but he will be there when she needs him the most. . . perfect ending.

[theotherJane]

Clois magic? Ha!:rolleyes: There's only LOIS magic!! She deserves better!! :mad:
And I know just where she can find it!;)

Totally agree! The Clana fiasco left me feeling quite bitter about Clois, but can I say that this episode cured that.
I hope we NEVER see Clois in SV, and now I really think we won't.

[melissan02]

Totally agree! The Clana fiasco left me feeling quite bitter about Clois, but can I say that this episode cured that.
I hope we NEVER see Clois in SV, and now I really think we won't.

Amen!!! This is STALLVILLE!!!

[redeem147]

I loved this episode. I love that Clark isn't getting involved with Lois (yet) not because he doesn't care, but because he does.

[dru-zod2501]

that ending ruined everything. Whatever goodwill I had was sapped in an instant.

Can someone explain why wussyman Clark thought it best to ditch on Lois? he wasn't revealing any secrets, just hanging out. All he did was trade disappointing her in the morning to disappointing her at night.

Blast you Clark!!!

[zorasuperman]

grrrrrrrrrr
Clark
I feel like strangling him
and then strangling him more

[unfocused]

I loved this episode. I love that Clark isn't getting involved with Lois (yet) not because he doesn't care, but because he does.
Nice way to put it.

[xrayvision]

Clark was not a BDA in this episode. I like the interaction between the 2, but Lois at this time should NOT know Clark's secret. She would just turn into another Chloe then, blurting out stuff that Clark should be figuring out for himself (like the dual identity thing that Chloe blurted out that pissed me off to no ends). That should not happen in this show (not until a little before they're married, which is well after he becomes Superman). Though I don't think it would have killed Clark to meet her at the end & speak to her, but they're saving that for future episodes. I really don't know what they would have spoken about after the events that transpired. I'd rather save it for another day anyway.

[ClarkyBoy14]

There have been some very nice scenes in Infamous between the 2. I'm looking forward to uninterrupted plots with the 2 next season very much.

I agree. It's too bad some people have to tear Clark down, though, just because he isn't going out with "their" girl yet. :rolleyes:

[josue_can]

greatest episode ever!!!

[Kel-El09]

Can someone tell me about the ending, I didn't get to watch the episode. Did he pick her up. Or did things happen differently the second time around?? When you said stood her up, had he already picked her up?

[xrayvision]

I loved this episode. I love that Clark isn't getting involved with Lois (yet) not because he doesn't care, but because he does.

Exactly. You got it right. That's why Clark didn't go speak to her--because he doesn't want to rush things & ruin it with Lois like he did with Lana. That is why he considers Lois special. He's going to think things through before proceeding with her. And THAT is why Clark was not a BDA.

[redeem147]

Lois and Clark have more chemistry not being together (but having longing looks) than Clark and Lana ever did together.

I think I need a cold shower. ;)

[rebecavaldez]

Wow, that last scene totally made me cry....well want to!!
it was sooo sad!!

[melissan02]

I agree. It's too bad some people have to tear Clark down, though, just because he isn't going out with "their" girl yet. :rolleyes:

I'm not tearing him down for that. Just the opposite...I don't want him anywhere near
Lois!! Anyhow, it's too soon!
Not mad at all. In fact, I'm at peace. I prepared myself since "Bulletproof" for this.;)

[josue_can]

Can someone tell me about the ending, I didn't get to watch the episode. Did he pick her up. Or did things happen differently the second time around?? When you said stood her up, had he already picked her up?

She invited him to get some coffee and he whimped out. the old he stood from a distance watching her and sent her an email saying he was swampwed at work.

[rebecavaldez]

Where was that clois kiss??!?? I missed it!!! :(

[od25star]

Where was that clois kiss??!?? I missed it!!! :(

I know, I was totally expecting one, now I feel dumb!!:(

[LiLViLLiaN]

I always love every Clois scene.

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I know, I was totally expecting one, now I feel dumb!!:(
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I thought we would get one right before he used the ring! When she was kinda tearing up in the barn.

[skylar]

Clarks knows his feelings for Lois is real now and he can't take.

[amberdawn]

I honestly don't think Clark is as interested as he was before Lana showed up. That's just how it seems to me.

[josue_can]

Wow, that last scene totally made me cry....well want to!!
it was sooo sad!!

Is it wrong for me to say I felt like crying too??? Darn Smallville, lol

Now that they know there is a 9th season they are gonna really take their time with the Lois and Clark relationship..

[Alexander III]

So I guess there are no Clois kiss after all...mmm, it was sad but wut was the point of standing there across the street? U can at least go over there chill and talk. Clark i such a wuss. He's the man of wuss, not a man of steel.

[NinaDavis]

that ending ruined everything. Whatever goodwill I had was sapped in an instant.

Can someone explain why wussyman Clark thought it best to ditch on Lois? he wasn't revealing any secrets, just hanging out. All he did was trade disappointing her in the morning to disappointing her at night.

Blast you Clark!!!

Amen!

Clark is an idiot!
Im losing my faith in Clois again...

[Mrs. Superman]

So what? I didn't get to watch the episode...he didn't pick her up from the airport??!! OR WHAT?
He did pick her up from the airport the second time (after the time reversal).

She invited him to get some coffee and he whimped out. the old he stood from a distance watching her and sent her an email saying he was swampwed at work.

Yep, she gave him a take it or leave it if he wanted to stop by later in the day to talk about what almost happened in bride, or whatever's going on between them. She said she'd understand if he came or not. Well he came, but of course he had to stay in the background, watch her sitting there all by herself and then send her this weak text that he was swamped at work. :rolleyes: She sent him a text back saying that its ok bc she was busy with a lead and couldnt make it either, even though she had been waiting there. And of course he knew she was making it up bc he was right there...standing in the background. Poor Lois...she was so dissapointed/humiliated. :(

[kg1507]

They rocked! They were funny, heart-wrenching, actiony, and just freaking amazing.

[josue_can]

This was sadder than the Lana good-bye

[Jack-El49]

One thing I am worried about is that the Clois scenes will be rushed over. For example, anytime there has been a reveal with a woman in Clark's life it is always rushed through. Remember Lana in Reckoning? Clark says he is from another planet, and then instead of emotions from Lana, looking pack on past times where Clark saved her life, etc, it jumped right into the proposal.

The interview segment alone should be at least 7-10 minutes long. I want Clark to tell Lois in detail about growing up with powers and what it was like, as well as his origins regarding Krypton. Something tells me they are going to try and fit a lot into this episode which means that it will be rushed.

That would garner a whole episode and I'd watch that with great pleasure rather than a 5 minute segment in the supply room and a headline in the paper the next day.

[Clark-Lois]

Exactly. You got it right. That's why Clark didn't go speak to her--because he doesn't want to rush things & ruin it with Lois like he did with Lana. That is why he considers Lois special. He's going to think things through before proceeding with her. And THAT is why Clark was not a BDA.

When you put it like that, i guess it's hard for me to stay mad at him. I can't wait for the next CLOIS episode

[xrayvision]

^^Thanks.

[Mrs. Superman]

Totally agree! The Clana fiasco left me feeling quite bitter about Clois, but can I say that this episode cured that.
I hope we NEVER see Clois in SV, and now I really think we won't.
OMG YOUR AVATAR! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


*breathes*










:rotfl:

Thanks I needed a good laugh! :lol:

[Clois♥Tomerica]

Im losing my faith in Clois again...

Me too. :(

[od25star]

This was sadder than the Lana good-bye

Definitely!!

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I always love every Clois scene.

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I thought we would get one right before he used the ring! When she was kinda tearing up in the barn.

Me too!! I was on the edge of my seat!!:(

[Clana4Life]

Maybe Clark just needs some more time. It's only been a few weeks since Lana left. His heart is still healing. Also, it's better to take Clois slow at this point. Not enough time has passed since Requiem anyway. Sorry Clois got stood up, but Clark feels like he's protecting her. It's something most Clana fans are well accustomed with. Hope Cloisers enjoy this ride, too.

[xrayvision]

Exactly. You got it right. That's why Clark didn't go speak to her--because he doesn't want to rush things & ruin it with Lois like he did with Lana. That is why he considers Lois special. He's going to think things through before proceeding with her. And THAT is why Clark was not a BDA.

After watching the episode again, I have no doubt that what I pointed out is true. It's as clear as day. If Lois wasn't special he would have jumped into something with her. The fact that he's taking his time and not doing that is why she is special. He considers Lois as someone not worth ruining with. This is something that everyone should be happy about.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

They were okay.

[rebecavaldez]

I had to admit that I wanted to cry so bad but there was people around so my stay strong lois attitude was like "Nope. You can't cry in public!"
Erica did a wonderful job in the episode! I am so glad she is back!

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I thought we would get one right before he used the ring! When she was kinda tearing up in the barn.
Yeah, me too. I was really hoping for a kiss! Ugh!

[Sandraangel86]

I don't know if this is the right thread for my question.
I somehow didn't understand everything about this conversation between Lois and Clark in the barn. This part about being special.
Lois said: "Some people spend their entire lives looking for a way to stand out... to be a person that anybody would call special. When you first told me who you were my thought was "anyone but Clark" And not because of the alien thing......"
Clark: "Lois you don't have to explain. I get it."

I guess the words I wrote fat are maybe the ones which are confusing me.Does it mean that Lois wants to be a special person for the public or just special for one person, like being special and important to Clark?
And then this anyone but Clark. What does she mean with that? That Clark isn't someone who wants to be special? It would be nice if someone could help me understand. :-)

[rebecavaldez]

I don't know if this is the right thread for my question.
I somehow didn't understand everything about this conversation between Lois and Clark in the barn. This part about being special.
Lois said: "Some people spend their entire lives looking for a way to stand out... to be a person that anybody would call special. When you first told me who you were my thought was "anyone but Clark" And not because of the alien thing......"
Clark: "Lois you don't have to explain. I get it."

Yeah, I know what you mean. I didn't quite understand what she was trying to say, but I still think it was a sweet and loveable scene!

[Iluvgreen]

Uh. They were awsome of course!!! I luved them so much.

[unfocused]

I don't know if this is the right thread for my question.
I somehow didn't understand everything about this conversation between Lois and Clark in the barn. This part about being special.
Lois said: "Some people spend their entire lives looking for a way to stand out... to be a person that anybody would call special. When you first told me who you were my thought was "anyone but Clark" And not because of the alien thing......"
Clark: "Lois you don't have to explain. I get it."

I guess the words I wrote fat are maybe the ones which are confusing me.Does it mean that Lois wants to be a special person for the public or just special for one person, like being special and important to Clark?
And then this anyone but Clark. What does she mean with that? That Clark isn't someone who wants to be special? It would be nice if someone could help me understand. :-)

Yeah, I know what you mean. I didn't quite understand what she was trying to say, but I still think it was a sweet and loveable scene!

Erica has a way of pulling dialogue like that off, beautifully.

I think she meant, although I am confused myself, that she wanted Clark to feel special about her, but when he first told her about his identity, she didn't want him to be that hero. Since she had already been through the hero relationship thing.

But I could be wrong. I really didn't get that little part, either.

[EternalTwilight]

Maybe Clark just needs some more time. It's only been a few weeks since Lana left. His heart is still healing. Also, it's better to take Clois slow at this point. Not enough time has passed since Requiem anyway. Sorry Clois got stood up, but Clark feels like he's protecting her. It's something most Clana fans are well accustomed with. Hope Cloisers enjoy this ride, too.

ITA. It was a sad ending and he is a coward for ditching her but I didn't really want them to have some heart-to-heart over coffee. At least not just yet. What could he say? What could she say? The emotions are still raw for both of them. It's just too soon. I really want to enjoy the ride and sometimes it's hard and downright heartbreaking but rushing it is the wrong way to go. Hopefully after all the tears and angst, we'll get a payoff in the end.

[ChlarkerClanaerCloiser]

ITA. It was a sad ending and he is a coward for ditching her but I didn't really want them to have some heart-to-heart over coffee. At least not just yet. What could he say? What could she say? The emotions are still raw for both of them. It's just too soon. I really want to enjoy the ride and sometimes it's hard and downright heartbreaking but rushing it is the wrong way to go. Hopefully after all the tears and angst, we'll get a payoff in the end.

This good. I agree with you.

[unfocused]

Clarks a coward because he didn't want to rush things with Lois but instead wanted it to be perfect with the right timing and emotion? Kind of makes me wonder why some people want Lois to be with a coward. If anyone is a coward, it's the person falling head over heels for the other yet still doesn't do anything about it.

Clark isn't obligated to do jack. He isn't the emotional wreck in this relationship. He has his own problems, and Lois is doing the right thing and letting him go through them, although she is kind of putting herself out there and getting in the way. But I don't blame her. I wouldn't blame anyone who is in love, because sometimes you can't help it, and sometimes you can't hide it.

I don't think either of them are cowards. They are smart, they have learned from the lessons they've been through on this show. This isn't puppy love, he is a man, and she is a woman. This is a mature, responsible relationship. Fools rush in, Clana and Loliver are proof. Lois and Clark want to do this right, and they need to. It isn't fair to call Clark a coward just because you don't understand how this adult, responsible, iconic relationship should work.

[marla219]

Erica has a way of pulling dialogue like that off, beautifully.

I think she meant, although I am confused myself, that she wanted Clark to feel special about her, but when he first told her about his identity, she didn't want him to be that hero. Since she had already been through the hero relationship thing.

But I could be wrong. I really didn't get that little part, either.

I think you are right. She was saying she wanted someone to feel like she was special. It's the same thing she said to Oliver in Bride: she wants someone to need her.

And when Clark told her he was the red-blue blur, she immediately thought: let the RBB be anyone but Clark, because she cares about him and doesn't want to deal with the whole hero thing. She actually likes him as ordinary, sweet, socially awkward Clark. But even finding out he's a super-powered alien, she still feels the same about him.

[EternalTwilight]

Clarks a coward because he didn't want to rush things with Lois but instead wanted it to be perfect with the right timing and emotion? Kind of makes me wonder why some people want Lois to be with a coward. If anyone is a coward, it's the person falling head over heels for the other yet still doesn't do anything about it.

Clark isn't obligated to do jack. He isn't the emotional wreck in this relationship. He has his own problems, and Lois is doing the right thing and letting him go through them, although she is kind of putting herself out there and getting in the way. But I don't blame her. I wouldn't blame anyone who is in love, because sometimes you can't help it, and sometimes you can't hide it.

I don't think either of them are cowards. They are smart, they have learned from the lessons they've been through on this show. This isn't puppy love, he is a man, and she is a woman. This is a mature, responsible relationship. Fools rush in, Clana and Loliver are proof. Lois and Clark want to do this right, and they need to. It isn't fair to call Clark a coward just because you don't understand how this adult, responsible, iconic relationship should work.

Interesting. I have to say, I usually enjoy reading almost all your posts and although I do agree with most of what you wrote here, I'm kind of annoyed that you missed my point about Clark being a coward. Yes, I do think he's a coward but that's just an opinion based on some of the decisions he's made in the past and because it wasn't so hard to let her know earlier that he wouldn't be meeting her, instead of letting her sit around there and wait for him.

As for the part in bold, that's a pretty personal assumption you're making about me. Don't you dare tell me what I do or don't understand, understand? I'm well aware of how "this adult, responsible, iconic relationship should work". My devotion to Clois goes beyond this show.

[unfocused]

No I don't think you understand how this adult relationship should work. Clark doesn't feel the same way about Lois, so it would be a terrible idea for him to lead her on and commit to her, don't you think? See, what you want is to finally see these two sucking face. But Clois is about way more than that. Clois is about more than it is now, but you don't care. You want it now, without all of the important things that the iconic relationship is known for. I don't believe your devotion goes beyond Smallville. Clois, beyond Smallville, is so much more than just sucking face. And all that it is, is not on this show yet. Wait until Clark falls madly in love with Lois. Wait until his feelings match hers or over-matches hers. Don't settle, demand the best out of this relationship.

And, trust me when I say, Clois devotee, the best is yet to come.

[EternalTwilight]

Again, you don't know anything about me or what I want so stop TELLING me what the hell I want. I want the same things you do, FYI. And questioning my devotion to to Clois whether it's in SV or anywhere else is ridiculous...who the hell are you? Again, you don't know anything about me. In response to Clark being in love with Lois, I do agree that he is not in love with her yet. I think he feels something, not close to what she's feeling and I plan on enjoying the journey. As for settling...I don't really know what to say. I can't expect great things from writers who've shown no respect for the mythos in the past. I am agreeing with your perspective on things but your attitude is kind of pissing me off. In the future, try to not respond to my posts like I'm a child. Most likely, I'm older than you anyway...

[unfocused]

Yeah, you probably are older than me. But you don't want the same things I want. You want a rushed relationship that would undoubtedly damage the 70 year old beautiful relationship we all know of. Clark is trying to do this the right way, he's not trying to get a quick fix to the Lana drama that JUST happened. He's a man, a smart man. Not a coward. Had he joined Lois for coffee, then he'd be a coward. It would result in a rebound relationship forever destroying any possible believability, and that would make all other shippers happy and give them bragging rights because, quite frankly, Clois would not be believable, or convincing.

I have yet to see you agree with my perspective on things. You still think Clark is a coward for not ruining the Clois relationship with a cup of coffee. Whereas I think Clark respected Lois enough not to mislead her. As for my attitude, deal. I don't like your avatar, but I'm not asking you to change who you are, am I?

[EternalTwilight]

Where in my post did I ever mention wanting a rushed relationship? I didn't want her to have coffee with him because I don't want everything out on the table yet, which is what would have happened if they had coffee. But the act of ditching her while she was waiting for him was cowardly.

I don't care whether you like my avatar. I don't like you making assumptions about me. So, either get over yourself and cut the insults or don't post at all. I think we could have had this discussion without throwing personal insults but that seems to be your MO.

[unfocused]

Clark didn't ditch her, get off that already. She told Clark she would be having coffee at this place at this time, if he showed, fine, if he didn't, she'd understand. There was no ditching involved. Lois gave him the choice of meeting her. They didn't set up a date, and Lois knew there was a likely chance that he wouldn't show up.

Lois: I'm going to work off my jet lag tonight later on at the cafe. You want to come by for a coffee, cool, if not, let's just say I get it.
Clark: Ok.
Lois: Ok. See you there. Or not. But whatever... I'mgoingtowork.

Lois never expected him to be there, she just hoped. There was no set-in-stone date, there was only chance, so there was no ditching. So, Clark isn't this coward you wish he was.

by the way, I never once personally insulted you. If something I said offended you, then it's your problem that you took offense to it. There was no personal insults by me. And don't expect me to stop posting just because it hurts your feelings. I'm defending Clark from being unfairly bashed as a coward, and yet you're supposedly offended?

[EternalTwilight]

Feel free to defend Clark or anyone you want. I don't wish he was a coward, I think he is one, unfortunately. But that's just my opinion.

As for the meeting, his initial "ok" lead me to believe that he would show up. I'm no longer going to bother explaining this because obviously we're at an impasse.

I am offended by your vile attitude, your tactlessness and your failure to deliver your opinion without getting personal about it. Your condescension towards what you think I understand or want. Belittling my understanding of the relationship and implying that all I want is "face sucking"...yeah, you're quite an [mod edit]. Too bad, I actually liked you as a poster before now.

[unfocused]

I'm not here to make you happy, sorry that you were confused about that. Though that helps explain why you were also confused about him meaning "ok" as in he'll be there. He said "ok" because he acknowledged her offer, not because he accepted it. Had he accepted her offer, she wouldn't have responded with "See you there. Or not."

And it's perfectly clear what you want out of Clois. You keep denying it now that I've called you out on it. But the only person you're fooling is yourself. You're just another Cloiser living in Cloisville whining over how long it's taking for Clark and Lois to hook up. You may be old as dirt but that doesn't mean you can't still think like a child. We all do it every now and then, there's nothing wrong with thinking like that. It just means a mature relationship isn't going to happen the way you want it to.

And this one isn't.

[EternalTwilight]

For someone who claims to want a mature relationship, you're pretty immature yourself. And the only dirt around here is you, [mod edit]. Just because I appreciate the relationship doesn't mean I'm a "Cloiser living in Cloisville whining..." Again, you have no idea what I want so get off your high horse. If you weren't busy nitpicking my post, you would have realized what I wanted out of the relationship and its progress. You can't speak for everyone, please understand that. And I don't expect you to make me happy, I doubt you know the meaning of "happy".

[unfocused]

I'm happy Clois is taking it's time to develop into something real and meaningful. You're not. It isn't too hard to see whose happy around here.

I'm not one to report insulting posts, but I will advise you take a skim through the rules. Calling people "dirt" and hiding insults behind asterisks doesn't make you look too good.

By the way, try to stay on topic, if you can. I've already proved your coward theory wrong, yet you're still hanging on to it. It's a moot point, a weak argument. There was no ditching involved. Clark did not say "I'll be there with bells on," that wasn't even implied. But since you're still hung up on that weak theory, I'm getting the impression that you're nothing more than a disgruntled Cloiser blaming a man. Like I said, if anyone is a coward, it's Lois for not doing enough to convince Clark to meet her for just coffee. Clark isn't the love wrecked person in this relationship, he has no duty to make Lois happy. That's her own job.

[EternalTwilight]

I'm happy it's taking it's time as well, if you choose to not believe, that's fine. I've been saying this over and over again but you seem to think you're the only one with this opinion. I may express it differently and it is heartbreaking to watch but I do prefer the slow growth over the quick fix.

If anyone should be skimming through the rules, it's you. Your insults may have been more subtle, but they were still insults.

You haven't proven anything. I still feel that he is a coward. Although, I will admit that this is not based just on this episode. Like I said, his decisions in the past have solidified it for me. I hope to change my mind in the future but that will be when I see it in Clark and not based on your posts.

As for your impression, yeah you'd love to think that wouldn't you?

[unfocused]

I proved you wrong with the actual lines from the scene. Clark never said he'd show, so there is no logical way to argue that he ditched Lois. Yet, you're still clinging to that weak argument, leading me to believe you're just mad that you didn't get any of that high school lip locking from the old Smallville days. News flash, this isn't high school anymore, these are adults, in adult situations.

You can continue claiming to want a mature relationship with these two, but just don't go about it immaturely. Enough with the pouting, you're angry at Clark and calling him a coward. Why? Because he's being a man about this, not some high school kid that jumps from girl to girl.

You're angrily calling Clark a coward. No, you don't seem very happy. And why would you want Lois dating a coward anyway? I don't understand that. If Clark's a coward, why cling to that ship?

[EternalTwilight]

How many times are you going to say the same thing? How many times do I have to tell you that you're wrong? I'm sure you think you proved something. I haven't changed my mind nor do I intend to. If I seem angry that's because I am, but not for the reasons you think. I've been angry since the last five episodes, I'm disappointed that he was moving on only to see that he wasn't, not really. So, yeah, I'm angry and it's going to take time for me to accept that he can be with Lois and truly be in love with her. No, I'm not angry that he's not liplocking with her or anyone. You keep saying that. I think you want it to be true because it would make it easier for you to tear me down. This is where your insults come in because you think you can speak for me and for what I want.

[drvr8]

PERFECT ICONIC CLOIS END SCENE. . . .that scene was pure perfection. It is theor relationship. . . .Lois will always be waiting for Clark. . .he will always be a hero, saving the world. . . .but he will be there when she needs him the most. . . perfect ending.
I agree, Clark standing in the shadows, trying to make sure she's safe, wishing things were different but being too scared to take a risk...he's bulletproof but unwilling to let her in because he thinks it will put her in grave danger. Then the music they chose for the last scene:
You've seen the worst of me now
I'm all alone, see?
You lost me somehow.
And what we're fighting for is peace
Are you still in love with me? Or someone else?

Well are you such a dreamer?
Put yourself in my shoes,
Careful what you wish for, love...

The lyrics reflected the relationship beautifully. We all know she loves him, we know Clark cares for her deeply, we just don't know if he realizes what he's lost by pushing her away. A really good scene stands up and grabs you, and you just keep thinking about it, playing it over, wishing you could see it unfold differently where it didn't end in heartbreak...but the heartbreak was perfectly done. It almost made up for the Lana arc...almost. Hoping Hex and Stiletto can solidify Clark's feelings.

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Erica has a way of pulling dialogue like that off, beautifully.

I think she meant, although I am confused myself, that she wanted Clark to feel special about her, but when he first told her about his identity, she didn't want him to be that hero. Since she had already been through the hero relationship thing.

But I could be wrong. I really didn't get that little part, either.

That was what I definitely got out the dialogue from Lois. She's dated AC, Ollie, (possibly BW in offscreenville) and always feels left behind. She immediately thought about that and the fact that she really does love him and feels a much stronger love for Clark than all of the others. She was urging him to stay and fight and defend himself and what she wasn't saying, but implying was that she was willing to stand and fight for him too and did so fighting off Linda Lake to save Clark. That's why she was saying, this time it was different...she wasn't going to run away anymore.
Also when you go back and rewatch that scene, the use of the word "special" is a metaphor for someone you love...Several posters already pointed that out, Lois first uses it and then says, no you've got x-ray vision and you're so blind, then when finding out Clark won't tell her in the future, she says, Why should I think I'm special...then Clark affirms, no Lois, it's because you are special. They didn't have to say special implied love there...but that's the meaning of the use of "special" in that scene.

[unfocused]

How many times are you going to say the same thing? How many times do I have to tell you that you're wrong? I'm sure you think you proved something. I haven't changed my mind nor do I intend to. If I seem angry that's because I am, but not for the reasons you think. I've been angry since the last five episodes, I'm disappointed that he was moving on only to see that he wasn't, not really. So, yeah, I'm angry and it's going to take time for me to accept that he can be with Lois and truly be in love with her. No, I'm not angry that he's not liplocking with her or anyone. You keep saying that. I think you want it to be true because it would make it easier for you to tear me down. This is where your insults come in because you think you can speak for me and for what I want.
You've yet to make me see otherwise. But of course, you're going to say "I don't have to make you see how I really feel." In that case, why even tell me that you feel different?

And I still don't know why you want Lois to be with a man you keep calling a coward. Seems you have no answer for that either.


I agree, Clark standing in the shadows, trying to make sure she's safe, wishing things were different but being too scared to take a risk...he's bulletproof but unwilling to let her in because he thinks it will put her in grave danger. Then the music they chose for the last scene:
You've seen the worst of me now
I'm all alone, see?
You lost me somehow.
And what we're fighting for is peace
Are you still in love with me? Or someone else?

Well are you such a dreamer?
Put yourself in my shoes,
Careful what you wish for, love...

The lyrics reflected the relationship beautifully. We all know she loves him, we know Clark cares for her deeply, we just don't know if he realizes what he's lost by pushing her away. A really good scene stands up and grabs you, and you just keep thinking about it, playing it over, wishing you could see it unfold differently where it didn't end in heartbreak...but the heartbreak was perfectly done. It almost made up for the Lana arc...almost. Hoping Hex and Stiletto can solidify Clark's feelings.

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That was what I definitely got out the dialogue from Lois. She's dated AC, Ollie, (possibly BW in offscreenville) and always feels left behind. She immediately thought about that and the fact that she really does love him and feels a much stronger love for Clark than all of the others. She was urging him to stay and fight and defend himself and what she wasn't saying, but implying was that she was willing to stand and fight for him too and did so fighting off Linda Lake to save Clark. That's why she was saying, this time it was different...she wasn't going to run away anymore.

This is a perfect representation of Lois' feelings for Clark. And Clark's feelings for her. No, this isn't cowardice, like some people try to imply. It's beautiful and heartbreaking. It needs to be this way for now. And it makes the wait so much more anticipating and deserving for those of us that want this relationship to be as powerful as it is in the mythology. Again, excellent post.

Clark was indeed watching over her in that final scene. It was perfect, instead of being in the barn text messaging her, he actually went to see her.

[EternalTwilight]

You've yet to make me see otherwise. But of course, you're going to say "I don't have to make you see how I really feel." In that case, why even tell me that you feel different?

And I still don't know why you want Lois to be with a man you keep calling a coward. Seems you have no answer for that either.


You're right I don't have to make you see how I feel. I never wanted to make you see otherwise because I don't care about every single poster's opinion about Clark. I won't change my mind so I can't expect you to change yours. And unlike you, I'm okay with everyone not agreeing with me. The reason I responded to you in the first place was to defend myself against your underhanded insult.

I'd love to go into why I want Lois to be with him but I have a feeling that will just add fuel to the fire. Normally, I enjoy conversations like this but not with someone who belittles me about my "understanding" of something that I love. However, I will say that I have faith Clark will grow up and be the Superman that I've always known and loved. He's not there yet. Just like the relationship isn't there yet.

Hmm, apparently I'm not older than you. I guess I was wrong about that part. So much for the "old as dirt" dig.

[unfocused]

It seemed like you were belittling yourself with that avatar and then when you said:

he is a coward for ditching her

Didn't seem like you put too much thought into that one. Seemed more like angsty pouting when you didn't get what you wanted. That's how it comes off. And I'm fine with you feeling however you want to feel about any character. I just still don't understand why you want Lois with a man you claim is stupid and a coward. Which brings us back to you coming off as a disgruntled Cloiser. But, if you say you're happy, then I'm happy for you :)

[Smallville Gone Bizarr]

PERFECT ICONIC CLOIS END SCENE. . . .that scene was pure perfection. It is theor relationship. . . .Lois will always be waiting for Clark. . .he will always be a hero, saving the world. . . .but he will be there when she needs him the most. . . perfect ending.

But the thing is he was not saving the world, hewas standing on the other side of the street Watching as he stood her up.

[EternalTwilight]

Wow, so much anger for my avatar. I guess I'll be keeping this one for a while then. I guess we're back to you pretending to know what I want. Let me make this as clear as I can for you. I think Clark is a coward. I hope he will grow into a real man sometime in the future and be deserving of Lois Lane. Until then, my avatar stays and so does my opinion. And in case I haven't said this enough already, you cannot speak for me or anyone else. Do you not get any of this?

[unfocused]

What I still don't get is why you'd want Lois to be with someone you claim is stupid and a coward. Still can't answer that one, huh? I may not know what you want, but you obviously don't know what you want either. All I'm getting from you is name calling and pouting. Typical disgruntled fan behavior.

This relationship is more complicated than a coffee break, darlin'. The real coward here is Lois. If she's going to be crying and fussing over Clark while he doesn't feel the same way, it's not his job to make her feel better. She's a coward for standing by and not doing enough. She has no one to blame but herself. I never once saw her give Clark a reason to meet her for coffee. Whose fault is that? That's right, Lois'.

Clark will make his move when he's ready. Lois... won't and hasn't.

[EternalTwilight]

You know, your stereotyping is your biggest problem. You think you're above any average fan. You seem really bitter. As for the name calling, you threw the first punch and you're still doing it. I'm just returning the favor.

As for why I want her with him? I've already answered that but you're too busy psychoanalyzing me to realize that. But sure, I'll say it yet again. My disillusionment with Clark is based on his past behavior but I still have faith that he will be a good man, in the future. Hopefully, in the near future.

[unfocused]

Oh but you don't know me, stop stereotyping me, you're hurting my feelings!

Come on. Don't be a hypocrite, you can do better than that. No one here thinks they're better than the average fan. And no one here is bitter, except for maybe those that are bitter about Clark not meeting Lois. Yeah.

Clark did the right thing. Even you said so. Meeting Lois could have potentially started a premature relationship that wasn't ready to become anything. And it would have ruined it. It was bold of him to walk away when he needed to. It proves he learned from his relationship with Lana. There's nothing cowardly about that. That's all man right there.

As for your other poor excuse for calling him a coward, something about other unspecified reasons he is a coward? Well, he is out there fighting crime every night. Clark is not a coward, he is embracing his destiny and willing to take on Doomsday. Whatever those unspecified reasons you have for calling him a coward are, they must not be very important, since you still don't even know what they are.

[Jack-El49]

Oh but you don't know me, stop stereotyping me, you're hurting my feelings!

Come on. Don't be a hypocrite, you can do better than that. No one here thinks they're better than the average fan. And no one here is bitter, except for maybe those that are bitter about Clark not meeting Lois. Yeah.

Clark did the right thing. Even you said so. Meeting Lois could have potentially started a premature relationship that wasn't ready to become anything. And it would have ruined it. It was bold of him to walk away when he needed to. It proves he learned from his relationship with Lana. There's nothing cowardly about that. That's all man right there.

As for your other poor excuse for calling him a coward, something about other unspecified reasons he is a coward? Well, he is out there fighting crime every night. Clark is not a coward, he is embracing his destiny and willing to take on Doomsday. Whatever those unspecified reasons you have for calling him a coward are, they must not be very important, since you still don't even know what they are.

Really? The fact that he would go over to have a cup of coffee would start a premature relationship? Really? How about going over like a MAN and saying that he didn't want to leave her wondering but that he's not ready to dive in to a relationship just yet? What about talking instead of standing across the street texting a lie to her as to why he lacks the cohones to tell her face-to-face?

I think it was cowardly. I don't think he's learned a damn thing in his dealing with the princess. I don't think he's learned anything from the episode itself. "Lois can never know my secret". Really? Why - because the world will end? Rather than analyzing what went wrong, the idiot simply makes a statement like that?

We are given a sadly disingenuous fledgling superhero that takes one step forward and two steps backward. Frankly, it's pissing me off.

But that's just my opinion.

[EternalTwilight]

Oh but you don't know me, stop stereotyping me, you're hurting my feelings!

Come on. Don't be a hypocrite, you can do better than that. No one here thinks they're better than the average fan. And no one here is bitter, except for maybe those that are bitter about Clark not meeting Lois. Yeah.

Clark did the right thing. Even you said so. Meeting Lois could have potentially started a premature relationship that wasn't ready to become anything. And it would have ruined it. It was bold of him to walk away when he needed to. It proves he learned from his relationship with Lana. There's nothing cowardly about that. That's all man right there.

As for your other poor excuse for calling him a coward, something about other unspecified reasons he is a coward? Well, he is out there fighting crime every night. Clark is not a coward, he is embracing his destiny and willing to take on Doomsday. Whatever those unspecified reasons you have for calling him a coward are, they must not be very important, since you still don't even know what they are.

I gave you reasons as to why I think he's a coward. You're not reading my posts. I said that he was making progress this season and the last five episodes proved otherwise. Still don't get it? Okay, the Clana "arc". He's still the same guy that he was in the beginning of this show. Except that he works at DP now.

The bold part I do agree with and I think I've made that pretty clear. I still think he could have tried a bit harder to somehow convey that he won't be meeting her.

So, if you call me a hypocrite does that mean I can call you an [mod edit]? What were you saying about name calling, again?

[unfocused]

Clark didn't have to go over to her. Lois made it clear that he should if he wanted that. If he didn't want it, he wouldn't show. And he didn't show.

And please don't tell me you missed the metaphoric representation of the coffee date. It wasn't about coffee, it was to talk about the kiss that almost happened and any feelings that may be between them. It was about any possibility of a romantic relationship between them.

Had Clark walked over to her and said "I don't want to be in a relationship with you" instead of just not showing, this place would be in an uproar. He could have said something along the lines of "I don't want to hurt or mislead you," but where's the poetry in that? It's obvious by the fan reaction here that Clark did the best thing, even if it was sad and made a few fans bitter.

[EternalTwilight]

I would have been fine with "I don't want to hurt or mislead you". It's honest. It's not poetic but rejection is never really poetic, is it? I don't think Lois is innocent here either. I don't like her placing herself in situations where she's going to get rejected and it seems that's what she did, repeatedly. I'm "bitter" about that as well.

[unfocused]

I gave you reasons as to why I think he's a coward. You're not reading my posts. I said that he was making progress this season and the last five episodes proved otherwise. Still don't get it? Okay, the Clana "arc". He's still the same guy that he was in the beginning of this show. Except that he works at DP now.

The bold part I do agree with and I think I've made that pretty clear. I still think he could have tried a bit harder to somehow convey that he won't be meeting her.

So, if you call me a hypocrite does that mean I can call you an [mod edit]? What were you saying about name calling, again?

I don't know what those asterisks mean, lol, so go ahead and call me a bunch of asterisks.

I said don't be a hypocrite and assume you know someone after asking me not to assume I know you. And you did not make it clear that the Lana arc was your reason. I'd call him obsessed in that arc, but not a coward. He did show a sign of recovering and moving on from Lana at one point, but that was ruined pretty fast. But I still don't see what made him a coward in that arc. He was still heroic.

Here's a good example of how I feel about Clark's decision to not start anything with Lois.

After watching the episode again, I have no doubt that what I pointed out is true. It's as clear as day. If Lois wasn't special he would have jumped into something with her. The fact that he's taking his time and not doing that is why she is special. He considers Lois as someone not worth ruining with. This is something that everyone should be happy about.

[EternalTwilight]

You say heroism, I saw cowardice. Whatever...

Believe me, I'd love to call you something other than a bunch of asterisks but I'll probably get banned.

[Jack-El49]

Clark didn't have to go over to her. Lois made it clear that he should if he wanted that. If he didn't want it, he wouldn't show. And he didn't show.

And please don't tell me you missed the metaphoric representation of the coffee date. It wasn't about coffee, it was to talk about the kiss that almost happened and any feelings that may be between them. It was about any possibility of a romantic relationship between them.

Had Clark walked over to her and said "I don't want to be in a relationship with you" instead of just not showing, this place would be in an uproar. He could have said something along the lines of "I don't want to hurt or mislead you," but where's the poetry in that? It's obvious by the fan reaction here that Clark did the best thing, even if it was sad and made a few fans bitter.

I missed nothing about the coffee date. It was to discuss what happened during the wedding dance and whether or not he felt something between them. How did he respond? He goes there, sees her, and then texts a lie about being stuck at work and too busy to make it.

That's cowardly. Am I supposed to believe that he was noble by not walking across the street, telling Lois that he's not sure how he feels but didn't want her to be hurt because he has to work with her everyday? Maybe in someone's book that was heroic or noble; in my book, that was pure cowardice.

Blaming Lois for his lack of guts is wrong. Particularly after the earlier scenes of Infamous, he knows she will accept him, that she cares for him on both levels, and yet he doesn't have the courage or common consideration to tell her how he feels - even if that is "I'm not sure how I feel"?

Tptb are setting this up to be the same old crap of the two-legged triangle and it's even more disappointing when they do it by having Clark lie to Lois. It's pathetic. Some superhero they are developing here.

[unfocused]

I would have been fine with "I don't want to hurt or mislead you". It's honest. It's not poetic but rejection is never really poetic, is it? I don't think Lois is innocent here either. I don't like her placing herself in situations where she's going to get rejected and it seems that's what she did, repeatedly. I'm "bitter" about that as well.

Actually, rejection can be very poetic. Have a quick read around this forum, many people felt torn from the ending. It was sad and beautiful, though some wish it hadn't gone that way.

Clark didn't need to say a word. That entire scene had no dialogue, it was pure emotion for the fans. And many of us found it poetic. I understand that you can't, but just know that others did.

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You say heroism, I saw cowardice. Whatever...

Believe me, I'd love to call you something other than a bunch of asterisks but I'll probably get banned.
Haha yeah you would :)


I missed nothing about the coffee date. It was to discuss what happened during the wedding dance and whether or not he felt something between them. How did he respond? He goes there, sees her, and then texts a lie about being stuck at work and too busy to make it.

That's cowardly. Am I supposed to believe that he was noble by not walking across the street, telling Lois that he's not sure how he feels but didn't want her to be hurt because he has to work with her everyday? Maybe in someone's book that was heroic or noble; in my book, that was pure cowardice.

Blaming Lois for his lack of guts is wrong. Particularly after the earlier scenes of Infamous, he knows she will accept him, that she cares for him on both levels, and yet he doesn't have the courage or common consideration to tell her how he feels - even if that is "I'm not sure how I feel"?

Tptb are setting this up to be the same old crap of the two-legged triangle and it's even more disappointing when they do it by having Clark lie to Lois. It's pathetic. Some superhero they are developing here.
Boohoo. And yet you still want Lois to be with him. All these bad feelings you have towards Clark, but yet he's half of your ship. Must suck to pretend to hate a guy that you root for :(

[Jack-El49]

Actually, rejection can be very poetic. Have a quick read around this forum, many people felt torn from the ending. It was sad and beautiful, though some wish it hadn't gone that way.

Clark didn't need to say a word. That entire scene had no dialogue, it was pure emotion for the fans. And many of us found it poetic. I understand that you can't, but just know that others did.

I realize others liked the ending. So what? Is their opinion more valid because they see no cowardice in texting lies instead of facing a situation head on?

I also realize that others ojected to Lois even giving him a shot at redemption after the wedding. I didn't object to that happening but their opinions are no less valid than mine because they differ from mine.

I guess we should just agree to disagree on this issue. And for those who like teenage angst, they're in for a half of a season or more of it.

[EternalTwilight]

Actually, rejection can be very poetic. Have a quick read around this forum, many people felt torn from the ending. It was sad and beautiful, though some wish it hadn't gone that way.

Clark didn't need to say a word. That entire scene had no dialogue, it was pure emotion for the fans. And many of us found it poetic. I understand that you can't, but just know that others did.

Shockingly enough, I did. When you did your quick read around the forum, you obviously missed my posts on the subject. I still feel that there's something innately wrong about watching someone you care about wait for you in misery, but I'm tired of running in circles with you about this.

[unfocused]

Whose saying anyones opinion is more valid than anyone elses? I'm just letting you know that rejection can be poetic and some people think so. There is no right or wrong answer. Some people found the ending poetic, others didn't. A wrong answer would be "that ending wasn't poetic" because it's a generalization. And you do not speak for the general public.

[Jack-El49]

Boohoo. And yet you still want Lois to be with him. All these bad feelings you have towards Clark, but yet he's half of your ship. Must suck to pretend to hate a guy that you root for :(


That was a good comeback, pal. I have bad feelings for Clark based on the way they are writing him - yes. And yes, he's half of the relationship that is iconic. I root for him to be a man and do the right thing, not some wuss who is afraid to face challenges.

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Shockingly enough, I did. When you did your quick read around the forum, you obviously missed my posts on the subject. I still feel that there's something innately wrong about watching someone you care about wait for you in misery, but I'm tired of running in circles with you about this.

Ditto

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Yeah they didn't have an official date, as Lois said he can show up or not


Whereas I think Clark respected Lois enough not to mislead her.

I have to agree with this. If Clark had gone over there, it would have started something I think neither one are ready for

[unfocused]

Shockingly enough, I did. When you did your quick read around the forum, you obviously missed my posts on the subject. I still feel that there's something innately wrong about watching someone you care about wait for you in misery, but I'm tired of running in circles with you about this.

What are you talking about? You've only made one post about the ending not being poetic. And you still sound bitter about the text message. Does it hurt to know that Lois lied through a text message to? :confused:

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Yeah they didn't have an official date, as Lois said he can show up or not



I have to agree with this. If Clark had gone over there, it would have started something I think neither one are ready for

Correct, Lois made it clear to Clark. Show up if you feel there is something there to talk about. Don't show if there isn't.

And as of right now, there isn't.

[EternalTwilight]

What are you talking about? You've only made one post about the ending not being poetic. And you still sound bitter about the text message. Does it hurt to know that Lois lied through a text message to? :confused:.

Of course it does.

By the way, I was talking about my posts in other threads.

Well, this has been lovely but I REALLY need to get some sleep. Goodnight!

[hero`s passion]

Actually, rejection can be very poetic. Have a quick read around this forum, many people felt torn from the ending. It was sad and beautiful, though some wish it hadn't gone that way.

Clark didn't need to say a word. That entire scene had no dialogue, it was pure emotion for the fans. And many of us found it poetic. I understand that you can't, but just know that others did.

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Haha yeah you would :)


Boohoo. And yet you still want Lois to be with him. All these bad feelings you have towards Clark, but yet he's half of your ship. Must suck to pretend to hate a guy that you root for :(


I read your and EternalTwilight`s posts and I have to say that it sounds like war between men and women:)
Why are you blaming Lois? I just can`t get it...she is blaming Clark, I can`t agreee, but I think it makes some sense...
you can`t agree with each other because she watch it from Lois(woman) position and you from Clark`s (man)...
I think that Clark can`t face with his feelings, but he already understands that he has them...I think he watchs her because he wanted to see her, because he missed her, but he didn`t want to talk about what happen, because it`s too early and hard for him, I don`t think that he is coward, he isn`t ready yet and he knows it...I don`t think that a guy who doesn`t like the girl would stand and watch her from the shadow (it`s Clark by the way, he should act like that, his character was written this way)

[unfocused]

You have a point, we see things different. But I'm not really calling Lois a coward. I said if anyone was a coward it would be the person in love that doesn't do anything about it. Clark is going through a tough time right now, he has so much on his plate. Lois knows about the Lana ordeal and she knows it's hard on Clark. They both know they aren't ready for anything meaningful right now.

And for both of them to be strong enough to hold back and give it time to develop into something meaningful, is not cowardice at all. It's smart, bold, and the right thing to do.

[Jack-El49]

In my opinion, you're right about this Tanya: Clark can't face his feelings. To me, that's the most disappointing thing about the way they write Clark. He can't face much of anything when it comes to relationships.

Lois isn't written to be the superhero, Clark is. The fact that Lois texted him back saying she couldn't make it either is Lois not wanting to be embarassed the next day. What was Clark's excuse? He couldn't face his feelings so he lied to her. That's just so wrong on so many levels that I, for one, cannot accept it.

All the discussion in the world won't make me accept it. Hence, I will discuss it no further.

[hero`s passion]

And I just wonder what should she do to made him come?
I think she done her best to let him know that she is into him...
and I`m wonder what was he thinking about...because there was a pain and I thought a love in his face when he watched her, but maybe I`m wrong...and it reminds me the times when he watched Lana through telescope...

[bigblueplanet]

Clark didn't have to go over to her. Lois made it clear that he should if he wanted that. If he didn't want it, he wouldn't show. And he didn't show.

In my personal views, I don’t think Lois meant if he does show up she would take it as ‘he wanted’ as well. IMO, she meant if he wants to talk about it and analyze what’s going on under the surface, then please do show up and they can talk about it, but if he doesn’t show up, she’ll understand that he doesn’t want to face about it any further. This view of mine leads to;


And please don't tell me you missed the metaphoric representation of the coffee date. It wasn't about coffee, it was to talk about the kiss that almost happened and any feelings that may be between them. It was about any possibility of a romantic relationship between them.


….this. I agree. There was the metaphoric meanings behind this coffee date. But I disagree that it meant as ‘possibility of a romantic relationship’, had Clark showed up. For Lois’s POV, even if he does show up, there were still many possibilities, imo. Either he wants or he doesn’t want or he isn’t sure but maybe just wants to talk about it. All what she wanted at that night, imo, is to address what happened at Chloe's wedding. It could simply means two people who are good friends talk about what has been going on between them and clear the air for their future relationship (as friend) sake. Just like what Chloe did in ‘Devoted’. She didn’t want to ignore a big elephant in the room because they’re good friends who see each other every day and spend lots of time together. Just like Lois and Clark in this situation.

I think Lois just wanted to put this ‘complicated (in Clark’s word)’ things on the table and talk about it & clear the air. Because it’s Clark, after all, who didn’t just brush it off when Lois first mentioned their almost-kiss even though she suggested him that they can "just forget it ever almost happened" if he wants to.



Had Clark walked over to her and said "I don't want to be in a relationship with you" instead of just not showing, this place would be in an uproar. He could have said something along the lines of "I don't want to hurt or mislead you," but where's the poetry in that? It's obvious by the fan reaction here that Clark did the best thing, even if it was sad and made a few fans bitter.

Personally I want these writers to forget about whether or not it makes us *uproar* if they let Clark man-up and express clearly what he doesn’t want for a change even it means rejecting Lois in this scene (which he did anyway), because it’s only a logical thing to do for Clark at this point, imo. To me if he did show up and tells her he is not ready for another relationship, it would have showed me his maturity. Clark knows Lois well and they’re good friends. He knows she is a very understanding person and respects his feelings first and the most. Why *lie* to her again, instead of facing her and being honest. I would call face-to-face conversation in this situation a ‘respect’. Lois gave him & herself a time and a space to sort things out when Lana came back. It clearly didn’t make Lois’s feelings fade away but it did make Clark’s feelings completely vanished in my eyes while Lana was in the picture. He doesn’t have to tell Lois any details and he can’t do that anyway, BUT he can tell Lois, he is not yet ready. It’s true and simple. And this is all what I expected to see from him at the end of the episode.



Lois knows about the Lana ordeal and she knows it's hard on Clark. They both know they aren't ready for anything meaningful right now.

How do you know Lois knows about the Lana ordeal? She said she didn’t hear from him more than three 10-seconds voicemails since she left. From Chloe? We as viewers don’t know whether or not Chloe told her any of it. All Lois knows was Lana was staying in a town for a while and the fact that Lana and Clark are not together now. If I were Lois, it makes me think they didn’t work out and part their way in spite of whatever they felt towards each other over their reunion. For all she knows, Clana reunion could be as simple as, “Oh, we both don’t feel the same way anymore. Let’s just be a good friends. *kisses on the cheek*”, you know what I mean?

The show canon pretty much proved to me just how much she is clueless about the Clana incidents because of the very fact that Lois asked Clark out for a coffee. If she knew Clark was sleeping with Lana a month ago, I don’t think it’s her character to do so. YMMV


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[LovelyLoisLane]

For both of them to be strong enough to hold back and give it time to develop into something meaningful, is not cowardice at all. It's smart, bold, and the right thing to do.


Oooh, bravo! I agree with this part of your post 100%.

It makes me think of that Jordan Sparks song "One Step At A Time" In fact I think I'm inspired to go the 'perfect shipper songs' thread. I'm sorry, I'm in such a silly mood. "Infamous" just has me sitting a little fluffy cloud of happiness. Hope it doesn't storm soon. :p

I also thought the scene was poetic by the way. The acting, writing and directing all came together in a fine symphony of a scene that was so strong that it worked wonderfully without spoken dialogue and was better for its silence.

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For all she knows, Clana reunion could be as simple as, “Oh, we both don’t feel the same way anymore. Let’s just be a good friends. *kisses on the cheek*”, you know what I mean?

I think Lois is pretty much in the same place as the non-online audience then (at least those that didn't hear about 'Bulletproof' 'Power' and 'Requiem') because "Infamous" had one mention from Chloe and even that wasn't very specific. Lana wasn't in any of the scenes from the 'previously on Smallville' bit and Clark never responded further about Lana to Chloe's comment. He just went on to talk about what happened in "Identity" as one of the reasons he felt confident he could come out of the superhero closet.

It was kind of like this episode happened right after "Legion" and that Lana left somewhere in between there. The extent of why she left or anything like that was never touched on at all.

Chloe's words were . . .
"I realise that after Lana left you really buried yourself in patrol duty, and there's nothing wrong with that but to come out waving the flag? I mean, that's huge.

Clark's response was . . .
"Chloe, I always thought that I would live in secret forever, but you convinced me with Jimmy's picture; the Red Blue Blur was a symbol of hope."

So to be honest, I don't know if Lois really knew what happened either, but I think when she left she assumed they'd get back together and that from Clark's silence she assumed that it just didn't work out, yet again. I don't think she knows the circumstances but I could be wrong.

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Just like what Chloe did in ‘Devoted’. She didn’t want to ignore a big elephant in the room because they’re good friends who see each other every day and spend lots of time together.

It’s Clark, after all, who didn’t just brush it off when Lois first mentioned their almost-kiss even though she suggested him that they can "just forget it ever almost happened" if he wants to.[/COLOR]

Bringing up 'Devoted' you reminded me of Clark's reaction there. Where he came right out and told her how he felt. That he didn't feel that way about Chloe 'at least not yet' I think he said, but it's been awhile. Then again WAY back in the beginning of season two where Chloe wanted to offer Clark an out from dating her (as a 'defense mechanism' I think she told Pete) Clark agreed to that right when she brought it up.

So going with the second part of your post I quoted, that makes in conspicuous when he didn't just take the very easy out Lois was offering and instead told her it was complicated. Giving a VERY vague 'okay' to the suggestion of talking over coffee. That's because I think it IS complicated with Lois. Clark didn't know what he would say if he had coffee with her because he hasn't processed what he is feeling, so how could he tell Lois what he himself does not know? If he went up to that table outside the cafe and told her "I'm not interested" , well I just don't think that would be true, but if he'd said something about not being ready to talk about it, that might have been closer to the truth. Because he obviously isn't ready to talk about it. I think if he already knew he would have told her then and there, I don't think he is a jerk that he'd lead Lois on.

Then he shows up to watch her from across the street, looking for all the world like he was still very much conflicted. Then he sends her a text message giving a false excuse at to why he couldn't make it (Clark has never had good excuses), not that he didn't want to, but that he was caught up in work and couldn't come. I got from the scene a lot of things, but one of them was that he is still figuring out what to do and so he's stalling, but he wasn't expecting the text that Lois sent back and now he knows he hurt her in the short term, in trying to avoid hurting her in the long term. So I'm really not sure what he is going to do next, but he was not a happy camper when he clenched his jaw and walked off. That much is clear.


All these bad feelings you have towards Clark, but yet he's half of your ship.

Yeah, see I'm of the mind, monumentally so, that you can't truly ship or enjoy your ship if you don't like BOTH people in that ship. You are just going to set yourself up to be unhappy that way.

Obviously even a character that is your favorite has moments where you want to beat them over the head, it happens, but you have to like them over the long haul or they wouldn't be a favorite.

That is how I feel about shipping. I could never get into Clois as a romantic ship before this season, because I never liked Clark much before this season. I was a Lolliepopper in season six and carried a torch for Lolliepop in season seven and kinda still sort of ;) (but don't tell anybody) because I adore both Lois and Oliver as separate characters.

I need more development to really get into romantic Clois but I will say that I was a Clois fan for "Infamous" I love Clark this season, I love Lois continuously and so that's why I could enjoy their scenes.

So I can certainly understand that if someone already didn't like Clark going into it, or felt the scenes were so bad they made them dislike Clark, how they wouldn't get the same thing out of that last scene as I did. I really really loved it a lot and I've watched it so many times it is ingrained into the back of my eyeballs. Boy, that sounds attractive doesn't it? :p


You can`t agree with each other because she watches it from Lois(woman) position and you from Clark`s (man)...

Hehehe :P

While I am watching it from BOTH sides. I'm just awesome that way. ;)

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How do you know Lois knows about the Lana ordeal? She said she didn’t hear from him more than three 10-seconds voicemails since she left. From Chloe? We as viewers don’t know whether or not Chloe told her any of it. All Lois knows was Lana was staying in a town for a while and the fact that Lana and Clark are not together now. If I were Lois, it makes me think they didn’t work out and part their way in spite of whatever they felt towards each other over their reunion. For all she knows, Clana reunion could be as simple as, “Oh, we both don’t feel the same way anymore. Let’s just be a good friends. *kisses on the cheek*”, you know what I mean?

The show canon pretty much proved to me just how much she is clueless about the Clana incidents because of the very fact that Lois asked Clark out for a coffee. If she knew Clark was sleeping with Lana a month ago, I don’t think it’s her character to do so. YMMV

Thanks for the response, well thought out post. To answer the quoted text, I didn't mean Lois knew about everything that happened between Clark and Lana. There's no way she knew everything because most of it was a secret. I meant she knows about their on again, off again, rough relationship. And she knows how hung up Clark is over her and she knows how much Lana can, and has, hurt Clark. Lois left to Star City for weeks so Clark and Lana can smooth out their relationship with eachother. When she came back, we know that Lois already knows that Clark and Lana weren't together (since she wouldn't have offered the coffee date had she not known if he was still with Lana). How much she knows? We don't know for sure. For all we know, Chloe told Lois everything about how heartbreaking it was for Clark. Lois and Chloe are close, by the way. And Chloe knows Lois has feelings for Clark. So it's safe to say that Chloe would look out for her cousin and let her know if she is walking into something impossible. But since Clark and Lana broke up, it's possible.

The last part of the quoted text is kind of confusing. If Lois knew Clark and Lana were together or if she had no clue at all, she wouldn't have offered the coffee date. But she did offer it, that brings me to believe that she knew Clark and Lana were not together, so she did know that much. Now, we have the question did Lois know Clark and Lana even got back together while she what out of town? She must've, if there was any chance that Lois did not know if Clark and Lana were together, she wouldn't have offered the coffee date, right?


Oooh, bravo! I agree with this part of your post 100%.

It makes me think of that Jordan Sparks song "One Step At A Time" In fact I think I'm inspired to go the 'perfect shipper songs' thread. I'm sorry, I'm in such a silly mood. "Infamous" just has me sitting a little fluffy cloud of happiness. Hope it doesn't storm soon. :p

I also thought the scene was poetic by the way. The acting, writing and directing all came together in a fine symphony of a scene that was so strong that it worked wonderfully without spoken dialogue and was better for its silence.
Thanks. I agree, Erica and Tom were great in this episode, and even though they didn't share that final scene with each other, they still rocked that scene.


So to be honest, I don't know if Lois really knew what happened either, but I think when she left she assumed they'd get back together and that from Clark's silence she assumed that it just didn't work out, yet again. I don't think she knows the circumstances but I could be wrong.
Well the impression I got was pretty much the same. Lois assumed Clark and Lana would give it another try. This is one of the reasons she left town, to give him the space he needs. She also left, in my opinion, because she needed to cool her own emotions down. She was pretty crazy for Clark in Bride, and I think she realized that and needed a reality check with some time apart.


Yeah, see I'm of the mind, monumentally so, that you can't truly ship or enjoy your ship if you don't like BOTH people in that ship. You are just going to set yourself up to be unhappy that way.

Obviously even a character that is your favorite has moments where you want to beat them over the head, it happens, but you have to like them over the long haul or they wouldn't be a favorite.
I have to agree. We have some pretty devoted shippers here, and that's fantastic. But sometimes they really like to pretend that they hate Clark for some odd reason or another. It's always his fault, lol. For whatever reason. If he doesn't like Chloe, Chlarkers bash him for it. If he doesn't kiss Lois, it's because he's stupid and insecure. Oh but it can never be because he just doesn't feel strongly about them. I mean, who really gets into a relationship they really don't want to be in. Personally, I think Clark really does care about Lois. And that's why he wants to do this right. People complain that he hasn't learned anything but they have no idea. Had Clark not learned from his time with Lana, he would have foolishly rushed in and ruined any good relationship with Lois.

One of the worst things about Clana is that Clark and Lana actually lived together, I think they were about 19 or 20 years old. They were involved sexually at that age, living under the same roof. And now Clark doesn't even want to share coffee with Lois. That tells me that he most definitely HAS learned from his relationship with Lana. A relationship that went too far too fast and came crashing down, twice!

[bigblueplanet]

Thanks for the response, well thought out post.

The last part of the quoted text is kind of confusing. If Lois knew Clark and Lana were together or if she had no clue at all, she wouldn't have offered the coffee date. But she did offer it, that brings me to believe that she knew Clark and Lana were not together, so she did know that much. Now, we have the question did Lois know Clark and Lana even got back together while she what out of town? She must've, if there was any chance that Lois did not know if Clark and Lana were together, she wouldn't have offered the coffee date, right?


Thanks, James. I’m getting really confused about this part. LOL But for me, Lois looks clueless about Clana, this much is sure. Clark told her ‘it’s complicated’ regarding what almost happened at Chloe’s wedding, and for Lois, why should it be complicated if he still loves Lana or/and if he isn’t interested in Lois at all, right? This I’m strictly speaking from Lois’s POV. I wish they showed us more clearly where Lois stands on the issues…..:\



I think Lois is pretty much in the same place as the non-online audience then (at least those that didn't hear about 'Bulletproof' 'Power' and 'Requiem') because "Infamous" had one mention from Chloe and even that wasn't very specific.

Yep. I totally agree. Otherwise I think it's quite OOC for her to ask him out because she is someone who understands what others wants in general and steps back if necessary (e.g. Spirit, Bride). It’s her behavior towards Clark in this episode makes me think she is really in the dark regarding Clana.



So going with the second part of your post I quoted, that makes in conspicuous when he didn't just take the very easy out Lois was offering and instead told her it was complicated. Giving a VERY vague 'okay' to the suggestion of talking over coffee. That's because I think it IS complicated with Lois. Clark didn't know what he would say if he had coffee with her because he hasn't processed what he is feeling, so how could he tell Lois what he himself does not know? If he went up to that table outside the cafe and told her "I'm not interested" , well I just don't think that would be true, but if he'd said something about not being ready to talk about it, that might have been closer to the truth. Because he obviously isn't ready to talk about it. I think if he already knew he would have told her then and there, I don't think he is a jerk that he'd lead Lois on.


Again, I agree. It is complicated for him so it seems. But here comes my ‘WHY?’. :confused:
Why is it so complicated? Because to me he made SO CLEAR that Lana is the love of his life just one episode ago (okay, one month ago in SV time), and this woman he risked his life just to kiss her is still out there somewhere completely & madly in love with him and wanting to be with him if it wasn’t for Kryptonite. Now if I were Clark, how on earth I can even think about someone else even remotely after only a month? I don’t think I can get over that kind of trauma for a long long time. He can because it’s Clark Kent? Unfortunately the SV show canon tells us otherwise.

This is the man who barely mentioned about Lois after Lana came back in his life. This is the man who only sent her 3 ten-seconds voicemails after he almost kissed her. This is the man who was making love with his reunited girlfriend a month ago. Did he seem conflicted between Lana and Lois back then? To me, no. Did it seem *complicated* for him regarding his feelings towards Lois since she left? To me, no. So why should I think it’s complicated for him now all of the sudden? (Please Clark. Don’t tell me because Lana was gone and Lois is back! )

IMO, I think Clark looks really fickle in this episode because he is expressing his feelings towards Lois. We don’t know what kind of feelings but he certainly looked painful at the last scene. Is it because he is not interested in her at all and he was about to hurt her? Maybe. But I think many viewers would tell me he seemed hurt because he does have feelings for Lois. It sure seems that way. And that’s why I think it’s too early & too soon for portraying Clark the way they did and because of this he doesn’t look good in this episode in my eyes. They should have dropped Clois completely, imho.

At this point of his life, I think it’s very fair for him to tell Lois that he is nowhere near her in their romantic feelings arena. Because according to what I had seen on screen, it shouldn’t be complicated at all where his heart lies at this moment, and there is no need to lie to her about it. It’s called *respect friend* in my book, but maybe not the same book as Clark’s.

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I don't think it has anything to do with respect. I'm positive Clark has nothing but respect for Lois. From my POV, Lois made it clear to him. If there was anything to talk about, he would meet her for coffee, if there wasn't, he wouldn't be there.

Lois already said "if not, let's just say I get it." Meaning if he doesn't show, she has her answer right there. There's no point in confusing her by showing up for coffee to tell her he has no interest, since she told him not to show if this is how he felt. If he felt they should discuss their feelings and the kiss that almost happened, then he should show up. He was simply playing by her rules.

Lois didn't want an explanation as to why he wouldn't show. All she wanted was a discussion if he did show.

[meteorfreak219]

the ending was awsome but made me sad....ugh, its driving me insane.

[hero`s passion]

Thanks, James. I’m getting really confused about this part. LOL But for me, Lois looks clueless about Clana, this much is sure. Clark told her ‘it’s complicated’ regarding what almost happened at Chloe’s wedding, and for Lois, why should it be complicated if he still loves Lana or/and if he isn’t interested in Lois at all, right? This I’m strictly speaking from Lois’s POV. I wish they showed us more clearly where Lois stands on the issues…..:\



Yep. I totally agree. Otherwise I think it's quite OOC for her to ask him out because she is someone who understands what others wants in general and steps back if necessary (e.g. Spirit, Bride). It’s her behavior towards Clark in this episode makes me think she is really in the dark regarding Clana.



Again, I agree. It is complicated for him so it seems. But here comes my ‘WHY?’. :confused:
Why is it so complicated? Because to me he made SO CLEAR that Lana is the love of his life just one episode ago (okay, one month ago in SV time), and this woman he risked his life just to kiss her is still out there somewhere completely & madly in love with him and wanting to be with him if it wasn’t for Kryptonite. Now if I were Clark, how on earth I can even think about someone else even remotely after only a month? I don’t think I can get over that kind of trauma for a long long time. He can because it’s Clark Kent? Unfortunately the SV show canon tells us otherwise.

This is the man who barely mentioned about Lois after Lana came back in his life. This is the man who only sent her 3 ten-seconds voicemails after he almost kissed her. This is the man who was making love with his reunited girlfriend a month ago. Did he seem conflicted between Lana and Lois back then? To me, no. Did it seem *complicated* for him regarding his feelings towards Lois since she left? To me, no. So why should I think it’s complicated for him now all of the sudden? (Please Clark. Don’t tell me because Lana was gone and Lois is back! )

IMO, I think Clark looks really fickle in this episode because he is expressing his feelings towards Lois. We don’t know what kind of feelings but he certainly looked painful at the last scene. Is it because he is not interested in her at all and he was about to hurt her? Maybe. But I think many viewers would tell me he seemed hurt because he does have feelings for Lois. It sure seems that way. And that’s why I think it’s too early & too soon for portraying Clark the way they did and because of this he doesn’t look good in this episode in my eyes. They should have dropped Clois completely, imho.

At this point of his life, I think it’s very fair for him to tell Lois that he is nowhere near her in their romantic feelings arena. Because according to what I had seen on screen, it shouldn’t be complicated at all where his heart lies at this moment, and there is no need to lie to her about it. It’s called *respect friend* in my book, but maybe not the same book as Clark’s.

And if Clark think that Lana is the love of his life, why he just didn`t return time for the moment before Lex made this kriptonite bomb, he already knew that it will be on the DP roof? He could be with his favorite Lana...but he didn`t do it when she was there, trying to find a way to be with him(when he didn`t try at all) and he didn`t do it when he turned back time in Infamous...I mean I think he doesn`t treat Lana as a Love of all his life anymore, and I think he has feelings for Lois now and he had them in Bride and he knows it, but he is Clark and he is SO ...Clark....it Is complicated for him because he just afraid his own feelings and it`s normal for me...so I think it`s not because of Lana, it`s beause of his own fears about Lois...

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Sad. But we will have to wait and see in the future episodes.

[Tinyeppy]

I don't know if this is the right thread for my question.
I somehow didn't understand everything about this conversation between Lois and Clark in the barn. This part about being special.
Lois said: "Some people spend their entire lives looking for a way to stand out... to be a person that anybody would call special. When you first told me who you were my thought was "anyone but Clark" And not because of the alien thing......"
Clark: "Lois you don't have to explain. I get it."


I think she meant anyone would want to standout & be special & when he revealed the truth to her, she felt special and didn’t care if he was a hero or not b/c she knows him as “Smallville” and he’s just CK to her it didn’t matter if he was an alien. She already loves him. She was in shock about the confession b/c she has fallen in love with another "Hero type" & didn’t know about it until now. He made her feel special when he revealed the truth and she was willing to stand by “her man” b/c she already accepted her love for him is “special, different”. She really understands & is ready to fight for it. She knows she didn’t feel this way with Oliver.<O:p</O:p
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This scene was perfect for CK to “open his eyes” on his life in general.
I like the fact that she told him how “Blind” he can be.<O:p</O:p

This scene also reveals how different Lois is from Lana & CK admitting she's very different and wanting to protect her b/c of it.

This so important b/c Lois Lane is NOTHING like Lana Lang. PS3 is starting show the very large difference b/w these to ladies. I just hope the continue on this right path & don't screw it up for the Smallville canon.<O:p</O:p

[bigblueplanet]

And if Clark think that Lana is the love of his life, why he just didn`t return time for the moment before Lex made this kriptonite bomb, he already knew that it will be on the DP roof? He could be with his favorite Lana...but he didn`t do it when she was there, trying to find a way to be with him(when he didn`t try at all) and he didn`t do it when he turned back time in Infamous...I mean I think he doesn`t treat Lana as a Love of all his life anymore, and I think he has feelings for Lois now and he had them in Bride and he knows it, but he is Clark and he is SO ...Clark....it Is complicated for him because he just afraid his own feelings and it`s normal for me...so I think it`s not because of Lana, it`s beause of his own fears about Lois...

You know, I’ve been thinking about this ever since Requiem aired. Because I read spoilers and I knew the premise of ‘Infamous’. It wasn’t hard to imagine for us that this episode would involve a time reversal and many fellow members guessed it right that Clark will use his Legion ring for doing it. So I was hoping Clark did think about this choice after what happened in Requiem and chose not to do so. But unfortunately, it was pretty obvious he didn’t think about this option until this episode. Just look at his facial expression and how he said FOS is no longer an option to Chloe. Then bin! A light bulb goes off in his head and said, “Legion ring!” *me headdesked*

So, now that he realized he has the time-travel ring, did he think about going further back ‘til the point when Lana was not affected? No. But I don’t think it’s because he no longer thinks Lana is his love of his life, but because he was clearly aware of the consequences of the time travel this time around. Let’s face it. He does have a very good reason to be worried here because last time he saved no other than Lana herself, it costs him his father. But still, I thought they would show some conflict scene in this episode where at least he thinks about whether or not he goes back to save Lana. But not to my surprise, the writers just swept Lana-arc under their rug and throw just two lousy mention of her name in the episode. (Familiar, anyone? Just like when Lois wasn’t in the last 4 episodes..…?)

By the way, why Clark destroyed the ring at the end??? Because now that he knows he could turn back time, he thought he couldn't resist using it to save Lana even though risking another grave consequence? Now that I think about it…….maybe yes. This can be it! LOL

If this episode did convince you that he no longer consider Lana as the love of his life, then more power to you but unfortunately for me, the show didn’t tell me the same story. Power and Requiem were VERY destructive not only for the season 8 but for the series as a whole, IMO. I know it’s not an ear-friendly opinion but I’m here to voice my opinions for pushing TPTB to do a better show. (Though I don’t know how much of our voices would reach into the writers room... :rolleyes: ) Because I truly think Clark Kent deserves much better writing than this. I want to see him grow a pair. I want to see his journey not only this 'becoming a super hero' part but how he becomes from a boy to a extraordinary man. I don’t want to see him repeat the never-ending secret & lies game with a woman he cares about. Enough is enough. Lois is his future wife and Clois is the heart of Superman legacy. They both deserve much better treatment than this, imo. It’s my love for these characters makes me furious when these idiot writers think throwing a Clana 2.0 angst deja vu is the way to tell THE great love story called Clois. Give me a break, PS3.

[Tinyeppy]

The final scene was just right. It’s to fast to start Clois after the Lana arc in my opinion.

Clark isn’t a coward he just doesn’t want to hurt Lois. Clark for me is still mending over CLANA & he’s still trying to figure out his feeling for Lois all at the same time. He’s emotionally confused. He knows he has feelings for Lois and he knows she loves him but, he’s not willing to admit anything yet b/c he’s not sure about it himself and CLANA is still to refresh for him. I don’t want Lois a rebound. I have no problem with the step back. CK has to heal. GET OVER LANA!!!!!

Clark isn’t a coward for his fear into getting into a new relationship so soon after CLANA & this relationship doesn’t give him any real happy memories only hurt and pain & a lot of suffering. It’s natural for CK to fear starting anything with Lois if he doesn’t feel he can give it his all. He knows Lois love him & he doesn’t want to hurt her by screwing it up if he’s not emotionally ready for her. It could really go bad if he doesn’t have his act together & he can lose her completely if it goes down bad. With this episode CK knows Lois is nothing like Lana in regards to his secret and when S**t goes down. This is what’s important.

TPTB have to start revealing the difference b/w the two women and the relationships that will develop with CK. Clois has to be slow & very carefully developed to get it right b/c of the time limited and they years of CLANA behind it.

CLANA will always be an issue b/c the wound it left in CK heart. Clois won’t be an easy ride but it will take a lot more emotional effort making it more of a emotional spiritual bonding that will stick for a lifetime in comparison to jump in the bed, power sex ,lets live together, prefer the carbon copy, power girl CLANA.

Technically CK and Lois don’t get together for another 15yrs in Superman mythology, but this is Smallville mythology and anything can go. Just as long as the essence of the Superman myth stays intact meaning once Clark goes Clois there’s no going back to Clana.

PS3 just has to prove WHY?

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As for Lois at the end sending the text message I also understand.

1) She was trying to say herself from embarrassment when she had to face him in the morning.

2) She made it clear to him that it was his decision to show up & if he didn't she'll understand & will leave it like that & will not mention it again. Just friends & partners as usual.

3) She was hurt b/c she was hoping he'll show b/c she was willing to start a relationship with him if he did b/c she loves him. He wasn’t willing to take the chance.

4) Form this point I don’t think she knows all about Lana but she know enough to assume something could have happened. She was allowing CK to make a choice (since Lana is gone) & he didn't chose her. Life will go on for Lois Lane. She all too aware of the train wreak Lana leaves with Clark.

[bigblueplanet]

I don't think it has anything to do with respect. I'm positive Clark has nothing but respect for Lois. From my POV, Lois made it clear to him. If there was anything to talk about, he would meet her for coffee, if there wasn't, he wouldn't be there.



Normally I won’t doubt about it either even for a second, but this version of Clark Kent is known to give ladies a mixed signals given the show canon, isn’t he? Chloe was the prime victim for that, IMO. Or dare I say every character are victims of these SV writers…? :rolleyes:

The way I see it, it’s just an excuse for the writers to give Lois a reason not to give him her time of the day from now on. We already saw the glimpse of it in the beginning of this episode where she is angry with him and ignoring & giving him a cold shoulder. An excellent set-up for a *infamous* triangle for two while we know Clark could easily avoid this situation if he did show up and simply tell her he’s not ready yet. He knows she will understand.

But for the ‘poetic scene’ sake, let’s just say we won’t change the setting but only this time Clark would send her a different text message. = “Sorry, Lois. There’s nothing I can talk about right now. I’m not ready." Now it’s very clear I’m not a writer even with my mother language so I’m sorry for the cheesy line but I hope you know where I’m getting at with this. How about this scenario? No lies but a truth. Would Lois feel differently if this was the massage she got? Call me naïve but I do think so actually. Sure she’ll get hurt nevertheless, but not in the same way, imo. Because if this was the case, I don’t think Lois would reply a *lie* massage to him either, but something along the lines of...... “Hey, no worries! I get it. See ya at A.M.!” (sorry again for my lack of imagination). Now THIS lightened up the atmosphere with these two from there on, don’t you think so? It is the same refusal on the Clark’s part, but at least she would see him being honest about it. And this way it didn’t involve the same old *lies* he has been repeatedly gave to a woman he cares, either. I don’t know I might be biased about this because I always appreciate a truth & honesty even though it hurts me more than a lie & pretending at the end of the day. So, probably it’s just me. :\

[Big O]

They rocked! They were funny, heart-wrenching, actiony, and just freaking amazing.

lol@ actiony...I like that word!

CK & LL....were as usual....the best part of the show....Im just wondering..when PS3....will ever notice or acknowledge that fact....by writing Lois into all 22 shows next season!

Some people have said..that Lois is not needed in every episode..because there are times shes not required to move certain storylines along.... but i dont buy that ..because in Seinfeld...we saw..Jerry..Elaine..George & Kramer...in practically every single show..and they often...had two characters..either Jerry & George....or Jerry & Elaine...involved in one storyline....with Kramer & George..having their own ..seperate storylines..going on in the same 30 minute show...

If the writers of Seinfeld..were able to do that with the 4 stars of the show...Im pretty confidant the writers of SV...can do it for Lois & Clark!

If Clark is out fighting some bad guy or saving someone...why cant Lois...have her own..seperate storyline happening ..in the same episode.....CK & ED dont always..have to be seen together....but ED only appearing in 13 episodes..is bogus...especially in light of Lois Lane's importance to the Superman legend..and ED's huge popularity with SV's fans & her enormous contribution to the continuing success of the show!

[myankskent]

But for the ‘poetic scene’ sake, let’s just say we won’t change the setting but only this time Clark would send her a different text message. = “Sorry, Lois. There’s nothing I can talk about right now. I’m not ready." Now it’s very clear I’m not a writer even with my mother language so I’m sorry for the cheesy line but I hope you know where I’m getting at with this. How about this scenario? No lies but a truth. Would Lois feel differently if this was the massage she got? Call me naïve but I do think so actually. Sure she’ll get hurt nevertheless, but not in the same way, imo.


You got that right. What you have just brilliantly put forth above is a scenario where we actually see a Clark Kent who has matured from his experiences. Sure, it confirms that he is not over Lana yet but when it comes to how he handles his relationship with Lois, it makes Clark look different and much better than how he has handled his past relationships. If I am to really buy into this Clois relationship, I need to be able to get behind both Clark and Lois and the way that they are written.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Clark: "there's no better reporter to tell my story than you"

So true!

I just love that line.

[LovelyLoisLane]

Clark: "there's no better reporter to tell my story than you"

So true!

I just love that line.

That was a great line and coupled with his making her understand that she IS special, I think it is clear that Clark wasn't disrespecting Lois at the end, he respects her and likes her as a person a whole heck-of-a lot. :D

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“Sorry, Lois. There’s nothing I can talk about right now. I’m not ready." Would Lois feel differently if this was the message she got?

Actually I think Lois would have thought that was an excuse as well. I think she made herself vulnerable right there and anything that felt like an excuse would have hurt her feelings. I'm kind of glad for that in the way that it'll hopefully make her toughen up back to the Lois she was before. There's nothing wrong with putting yourself out there but I think that maybe she has done that enough on her part and it has lead to disappointment, so now, it's Clark's turn.

She may have felt differently, but I think anything other than Clark showing up would have looked like an excuse to her. Like "Oh yeah right, you just don't want to tell me you aren't interested!" And she probably would have come up with another lie to protect her vulnerability in Clark's eyes.

And since Clark couldn't make himself cross that street, I just can't see any text he could have sent her that would've lessened the sting, but then her response stung him right back. So they are on level ground I feel and now I think the writers have set it up so Lois most definitely doesn't look like any kind of rebound and that is a really really good thing.

Of course, I could be biased because I REALLY loved this scene a whole bunch! :D

[herolee10]

you know, I'm still trying to absorb this episode into me right now. I mean it kind of felt weird, but in a good way, seeing Our Lois, not some Red K influenced Lois, or a AU Lois know Clark's secret, but the Lois we've seen for the last 4 years, the one that had a history with Clark and was in her right mind.

I felt like in those moments that the show was where it should be, with Lois knowing Clark's secret and helping him out.

I honestly still get sad seeing the barn scene, that has got to be the most strongest Clois moments. I mean it wasn't one of those moments where it was being played out between two friends, it was a moment being played out between two people who had deep feelings for each other that transcended the boundaries of friendship, especially on Lois's side.

And honestly, you don't get to see Lois admit her strong romantic feelings like that everyday. It's a rare occurrence indeed.

And to have Clark verbally say somewhat on how he really felt about Lois, that she was special to him..that was touching.

Man, and don't get me started on the last scene. That has got to be one of the emotional scenes I've seen between two individuals.

In my opinion, that scene really shifted the tide, showing the change that this show is taking for Clark. Now Lana is gone, it's time to focus on his true love, Lois Lane.

This was the beginning not for Lois, but on Clark's part, the most important part, since the show is about him, and we've been all waiting to see the day where he would look at a woman like that who wasn't Lana Lang.

[myloveahmed]

...great episode....kind of sad though bec. of the ending...but i am sure they have reasons why they dont want to rush the Clois relationship to develop...

[rebecavaldez]

Hey, here's something I don't get. I loved the barn clois scene, but I don't get it. Why would Clark save Lois if he knew he was going to go back in time? Was he expecting something from it?

[-Nora-]

I think for the same reason he didn't let Lois finish the line about Davis: plot device. They wanted Clois to have a heart-to-heart talk before the episode ended.

[unfocused]

Of course.

There comes a time when a viewer just needs to set aside story logic and just use real logic.

[rebecavaldez]

Yeah, I know the episode, well to me, would have been lonely without that heart-to-heart clois scene. It seriously made me cry along with that last scene. What was your favorite scene?
Mine: BARN

[unfocused]

Yeah the barn scene tore me up. Erica was phenomenal and really made that scene. Tom shined with his "you are special" line.

[LoveHurts38]

My favorite scene the coffee shop scene said lot's of things more with song as the background.

[myankskent]

By the way, why Clark destroyed the ring at the end???


I think that this was yet another contrived piece of writing by TPTB. They had to make the ring go away that way Clark wouldn't be able to turn back time to fix anything that might happen in the future, like whatever happens with Doomsday at the end of the season.

[supes0]

I think that this was yet another contrived piece of writing by TPTB.

Yep. Was anybody else muttering "precious" when he said he destroyed the ring? Where are the hobbits when you need them?

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...great episode....kind of sad though bec. of the ending...but i am sure they have reasons why they dont want to rush the Clois relationship to develop...

Yep. They did this to set up the RBB/Lois/Clark triangle. In order for Lois not to look bad, she has to have a good reason to dismiss Clark so she can focus on the RBB. This gave her a perfect out while keeping the audience on her side. If he told her he wasn't ready yet, then we would expect her to wait not get distracted. She had to have the door slammed on her so we root for her and find the upcoming RBB moments romantic instead of feeling badly for Clark. She has put herself out there completely, Clark rejected her, she has to move on.

[Alania]

I liked Clois scenes in the beggining, where Lois was upset and throwing lines with ambiguous meaning. For a moment there i thought she was aware of the whole Clana, even if it was offscreenville and that made me really happy. She was angry, she was giving him hell and it was suppose to be like that. But then, in the end, they changed the whole thing; it turned out she was upset just because he was late, nothing more. She was all in a good mood, to the point of asking him out for a coffee. Maybe, if Clark had showed up, they would talk about some things, but he made the wrong choice of standing her up and things won't be addressed anytime soon.

About the barn scene, i just liked her talk, her trying, once again, to give him a shot and opening herself up to him. And again Clark was passive about it; the "you're special" line was the worst, cause he implied that the rest of the world is special too, since he doesn't tell anyone about it. What actually gave some hope was Clark's line to Chloe: "There was this one moment, right after i told Lois the truth about me, i thought everything would be ok, that i could have it all, but i was wrong". I connected these two parts, meaning, Lois knowing his secret is what was missing for his life to be complete, since he already has her love. He knows unconsciously, she is his one, but he seems to be in denial, he doesn't wanna get involved because he's still healing from Clana. That line was the most beautiful one and, imo, had a lot more hidden meaning than him watching her accross the street. <!-- / message -->

[LovelyLoisLane]

Hey, here's something I don't get. I loved the barn clois scene, but I don't get it. Why would Clark save Lois if he knew he was going to go back in time? Was he expecting something from it?

Maybe even if he was going to turn back time he still couldn't bring himself to just leave Lois to get shot? :o

And . . . because the writers needed him to tell her she was special before he erased it all. :p Not the fact that she is special to him, that still stands, but the moment itself.

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Yeah the barn scene tore me up. Erica was phenomenal and really made that scene. Tom shined with his "you are special" line.

I liked it a lot as well, though I did like the last scene even more.

TW had such emotion on his face when he told she was special, then he did that thing he does where he takes a breath when he's having emotional difficulty with what he wants to say. Awww.:o

And ED was emoting very well too. She had such a heartbreaking look of sad acceptance when she realised he wasn't going to tell her about his secret when he 'hit the reset button' :(

What was nice about both the barn scene and the last scene was that the writers weren't using foreshadowing at all to tell the story. They were both real moments with development for the future. Clark's feelings were moved along from that barn scene in a way that will affect the following episodes and Lois and Clark were both affected by that last scene also in a way that will resound into future episodes.

[latingirl]

I Think Clark is far to be a coward, in the opposite way he must to be so brave to walk away from Lois, in the darkness, Why?

1.- He is NOT 100% sure about his feeling, he knows that she is someone special for him.
2.- 3 week ago he lost forever and ever to Lana, his only love until now, But Lois is there in front to him y he wants to be with her but if he wants to keep his secret far away for her, He have to repeat the same tragic-love story that he had with Lana.
3.- what can Clark say about the almost kiss? he doesn't want to close the Lois' door definitely , with: Sorry Lois I think that was part of the wedding efects on me, do you understand me?
that can be worse IPOV

We have this spoiler from HEX:[spoiler]She returns at episode's end and shares a scene with Clark.[spoiler]will Clark want to talk to her about the almost Kiss?

Maybe this time Lois would say , Thank but not thanks your time is over.... This almost NOTHING is in the past and please let it there

[LovelyLoisLane]

You have to put spoilers in spoiler tags so people who don't want to see them won't read them.

[latingirl]

I am going to write this post in function of which we have seen in screen and in function of elements of me own personality what I think are similar to Lois …

Lois Lane knows Clark’s emotional side well and as he reacts in front of the things of the heart, as far as his side of hero she is completely lost in the Space (I thought in the opposite way, but Infamous change my opinion on the matter)

Clark knows Lois very well, since the first time she had been always transparent with him except in her feelings by and for, however Clark knows that he is completely indifferent to her but he did not know the intensity of her feelings and how could have been her reaction to the knowledge his E.T. origin however his doubts were perfectly clarify in Infamous.

How much Lois knows about Lana’s arc? (all this is previous Infamous starts)

I believe that not much in essence. Chloe could not be very explicit in all happened around between Clark and Lana because that would imply to explain many things like Clark’s secret and Lana’s super-powers and how they broken Clark’ bed:mad:, perhaps Chloe only said lois that they finished their relationship forever and ever and She is completely sure that there is not more LANA & CLARK:).

If Lois thinks like me, perhaps she could be conclude:
- Lana returns 4 weeks ago and she was in town just for a week, and she goes away, surely they (clana) has a conversation and they realized that they were not destine to be the one for the other.
- Could the almost kiss between us in the wedding have influenced in the Clark’s decision?:confused:
- after Lana went away, he called her 3 times and only leaves short messages , did he want we talk about the almost happens between us in Chloe’s wedding??, He always is so bad to say what it is going on in the love department. He always keeps everything guard for, I should have to give a help to him in order we can speak about that!!! .
- he wrote to me yesterday to say me that he will be in the airport waiting for me, that is a good detail of his part. He will have been missing to me?

I know, I know, I am this kind of woman what is thinking a lot!!!:rotfl:

We Arrive to infamous and Clark leaves she waiting for by 3 hours,

Clark: I know…I should have called.


Why did she wait for all this time? So What did’tn she call him when she saw that he was not there?, Did she Tapeworm hopes from him that could arrival any time? Is she more annoying with Clark

When she was speaking with him at the doors of the DP she said,

Lois: Look I get it. You have other things on your mind, I don’t expect to be the person at the top of your priority list.


She was upset with Clark or with herself for to be so innocent?

After Clark said his secret, and the situation turn mess Clark realized that:

Before of the bullets scene Clark had a conversation with the DDS’s inspector , who knows that the closer to Clark are Chloe and Lois and they are the next ones to be taken by them (***). Clark seen chloe in route to Metrolopolis, and said her go away, and after that and as soon as he can look for Lois in the DP, Saving her from the ***.

Between and during has the conversation of the barn, we can see interesting somethings there a littler interesting IPOV:

1. - when they arrived at the barn, Clark does not put Lois immediately in the ground, he kept her in his arm for a moment in silence, and he is lowers herself off his arms.

Lois: Nice interception, but you shouldn’t be here. All the bloodhounds in the state will be sniffing you out!
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Lois: Then stay and fight back! Look! Give people a chance to see who you really are!

Clark: It’s too late Lois. My whole life I’ve seemed different.

Lois: Some people spend their ENTIRE lives looking for a way to stand out, to be a person that ANYBODY would call special. When you first told me who you were, my thought was anyone but Clark. And not because of the alien thing, I have known enough guys to know that you can be born on terra firma and be lightyears from normal…

Clark: Lois you don’t have to explain, I get it.

Lois: No….you don’t. How can someone with x-ray vision be so blind? [pauses] I’ve been down the Hero road before, and every time I’ve made a giant U-turn, but this, this was different.



She was here answering Clark's old question from Instinct


Clark: What if my soulmate comes along and I'm too blind to see it?
Lois: I don't know Smallville, I think that when the right girl walks into your life, you'll know.

Lois: And when you hit your reset button, you’re not going to tell me your secret, are you?

Clark: I’m sorry.

Lois: It’s okay…[trying not to cry]Why should I think I’m special?… Clark. I understand.

When she says “I understand”
She saying to him
“I Know you do not love me, I understand that , you do not worry”

Clark: Lois YOU don’t understand. [steps closer to Lois] It’s because you ARE special….

What he want to say with you are special?
Maybe
you are not just a friend, but I am not sure HOW define my feelings for you at this moment!!!!.

Second round:

He arrives on time at the Airport to gather her. Good JOB Clark already LOIS does not go to hate you yet! BTW, did you see the face of happiness of Clark when lowering her suitcases of his truck?

In the door of the DP, she makes the first commentary about Clark’s super phone calls and the super conversation all way back to home.

That is her way to says him what she knows about his uncomfortable position with her about “the almost kiss”. And he doesn’t know how to take the new situation between them.

She gave him the invitation to take coffee, and also the opportunity to clarify all about the almost kiss between them, but she give open invitation, that means if you can and want we can fix our situation but plz tell me if you can’t come in just case. So mature in my POV

Both they were for the appointment but at the last moment Clark (he was wearing dating dress or not?) run running leaving to Lois in the same situation of the first scene at the beginning of the episode:

-I am not on the top in list of your priorities,

- a news article is more important for you than to define what is almost happening between us, OK, Kent will Go to the Hell, because this Lois is over…

But I don’t let you think that I was waiting for you; and she wrote text back. She doesn’t know Clark is seeing her for the distance and He knows her text is a lie. But now Clark is pretty sure that from this moment his relationship wit Lois not be anything easy.

I Repeat again... :)I use to think a lot :rotfl:

[Sunny8]

I like Clois, but I am just so happy that Lois is back period. I like to see her with Clark but I also like to just see her.

[bigblueplanet]

Yep. Was anybody else muttering "precious" when he said he destroyed the ring? Where are the hobbits when you need them?

:lol: I didn’t think about that but I believe Frodo Baggins proved us to have much more ‘will of steel’ than this version of Superman. The contrived piece of the writing team aside (thanks, Matt bty), I wish we could see the rationale behind the decision he made. Because all he needed was just that. The "will of steel". JMO


Yep. They did this to set up the RBB/Lois/Clark triangle. In order for Lois not to look bad, she has to have a good reason to dismiss Clark so she can focus on the RBB. This gave her a perfect out while keeping the audience on her side. If he told her he wasn't ready yet, then we would expect her to wait not get distracted. She had to have the door slammed on her so we root for her and find the upcoming RBB moments romantic instead of feeling badly for Clark. She has put herself out there completely, Clark rejected her, she has to move on.

Great post. It sounds as if Power-arc was almost necessary. (!) Because somehow your post made me think what would have stopped Clark from exploring a romantic relationship with Lois, if he didn't have to go though the emotional havock. The same old ‘secret & lies’ dilemma? (most probably) BTW, I love your spec. You always manage to come up with something logical, consistent and true to Mythos yet SV kind of twisted way. I'd love to see the story unhold like the way you said, but I just hope they'll take this storyline very very slowly.

The funny thing is I remember I ITAed to everything you had speculated right before the Lana-arc, but now? I don’t even remember what you were talking about back then. I guess my brain hit the reset button, too! LOL

[supes0]

Great post. It sounds as if Power-arc was almost necessary. (!) Because somehow your post made me think what would have stopped Clark from exploring a romantic relationship with Lois, if he didn't have to go though the emotional havock.

:lol:

I wouldn't go that far. I think if it had ended as it looked like it might at the end of Bulletproof, with maturity and dignity, a similar set up could have happened. I still don't understand what happened, P/R came out of nowhere.

Also, It would have been truer to the core mythos. They could have had Clark trying to talk to Lois when she got back but Lois refusing to listen. Clark would have had the audience's sympathy, as much or more so than Lois.

But with P/R they wrote themselves in to a ditch, and now have to recover.

I think tptb had Lois gave it her last shot to answer the question "if she loves Clark so much, why didn't she try to talk to him?"

Well she did, and he shot her down. So now she can chase the RBB with impunity. She's not emotionally cheating on Clark.



The funny thing is I remember I ITAed to everything you had speculated right before the Lana-arc, but now? I don’t even remember what you were talking about back then. I guess my brain hit the reset button, too! LOL

:rotfl: I think we were talking about the mature closure, which I believe we both thought was coming after Bulletproof.

Whoops!! :o

I hope this time, it works out better than P/R.