TV Ratings for "Infamous"

[ClarkyBoy14]

Discuss the ratings for "Infamous" when they're released.

Predictions? I'll say between 3.9 to 4.1 million.

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Here's how a repeat of "Legion" ranked in total viewers on the CW for the week of Monday, March 2, 2009 - Sunday, March 8, 2009:

1. America's Next Top Model (two-hour cycle premiere) - 3.92 million viewers
2. Reaper (season premiere) - 2.31
3. Smallville (R) - 2.21
4. Supernatural (R) - 2.02
5. America's Next Top Model (R) - 1.71
6. Gossip Girl (R) - 1.11
7. 90210 (R) - 1.04
8. One Tree Hill (R) - 0.97
9. Easy Money (movie) - 0.91
10. Jericho (R) - 0.66

[tj_powers]

I got a feeling that ratings will start pouring in around 4.3

[devilicus rebel]

I think they are probably going to be the highest of the season and the highest they have had for awhile. I am going with 4.5.

[zorasuperman]

im going to say 4.02 million
or something like that

[Jaderoyale]

Gosh i hope this does well SO MUCH.

[skylar]

I'm going to go out there and say 5.0 just because Lois coming back and Clark revealing his secret and Lois writing it.

[oldblackmagick]

4.8 cause its not quite 5 but it'll do for now:)

[stenochick]

I predict over four million but beyond that it is hard to predict. It depends on how well it is promoted, since there have been a string of repeats, and what it is competing against.

[davidbrenton]

I REALLY hope they are GREAT. I'm guessing around 4.3 million viewers.

[9-SOSIHTWB]

OMG, a repeat of SMALLVILLE got almost as much viewers as a brand new episode of reaper!!!
I think INFAMOUS will do very well because Lana is out of the way, plus Lois is back!!!!!!!!!

[SVrockschar89]

I'm gonna go with 4.45 million

[marcella]

I hope that it has more than 4 million viewers

[ClarkyBoy14]

I'm a bit concerned with the ratings this time around. Not only is it coming off of a month-long hiatus, but the last two episodes were not well received by a lot of people, the promotion hasn't been great (as far as I can tell), the clocks have changed and the competition is going to be tougher than what we've had any other time this season (except for AI).

I hope the return of Erica, Sam and Tori Spelling, as well as the "bigness" of the story, will help to offset that.

[warriorrenegade]

SV will pull a 3.2 or 3.4 in rating. Late season hiatus' have always had an impact on this shows' ratings.

[smallvillerocks45]

Discuss the ratings for "Infamous" when they're released.

Predictions? I'll say between 3.9 to 4.1 million.

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Here's how a repeat of "Legion" ranked in total viewers on the CW for the week of Monday, March 2, 2009 - Sunday, March 8, 2009:

1. America's Next Top Model (two-hour cycle premiere) - 3.92 million viewers
2. Reaper (season premiere) - 2.31
3. Smallville (R) - 2.21
4. Supernatural (R) - 2.02
5. America's Next Top Model (R) - 1.71
6. Gossip Girl (R) - 1.11
7. 90210 (R) - 1.04
8. One Tree Hill (R) - 0.97
9. Easy Money (movie) - 0.91
10. Jericho (R) - 0.66


Oh... that makes me kind of sad. Well, to their credit, those were just premieres for ANTM and Reaper. My bet is that if those were the numbers for their new season's episodes, then when Smallville comes back, it should have more than 3.92 million viewers.

I'm going to be optimistic and guess that because this story involves Clark's secret and Lois Lane is coming back, the ratings will be at the lowest, 4.5mil and at the highest 4.9. Wishful thinking? Perhaps, but I'm sticking with optimism. I know I'll be watching!

[alejandrita439]

i hope is higher than bulletproof, power and requiem :o

[skira]

4.2

[Supsfan]

Hiatus + Bad Lana Arc + Bones = 3.8M-4M

[-Nora-]

Hiatus + Bad Lana Arc

Exactly. Plus they haven't done a lot of promotion. But fingers crossed it'll do very well.

[Jade4813]

Yeah, given the story, they SHOULD be high. But I think Smallville will get hit by a few things. 1) Long hiatus. 2) Bad promotion leading into this episode. 3) "Requiem" driving some people away. 4) Strong competition.

If this had aired sooner or after "Bulletproof" or something, I'd have bet at least a 4.5. Now I'm thinking more along the lines of 3.6, unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong.

[AgentChaos]

Just under 4 million.

[F..l]

Just under 4 million.
I hope not ...
I am guesting about 4,4 milions beause lois and no lana ;)

[smallvillerocks45]

Yeah, given the story, they SHOULD be high. But I think Smallville will get hit by a few things. 1) Long hiatus. 2) Bad promotion leading into this episode. 3) "Requiem" driving some people away. 4) Strong competition.

If this had aired sooner or after "Bulletproof" or something, I'd have bet at least a 4.5. Now I'm thinking more along the lines of 3.6, unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong.

Ouch! You make good points, but I really hope it does better than 3.6 million.

[latingirl]

4.6 and 5

[marcella]

i hope is higher than bulletproof, power and requiem :o

Me too

[davidbrenton]

Well, I got one person from work excited about watching tonight. He hasn't seen the show since season 2.

[SparkleforSmallville]

I'm a bit concerned with the ratings this time around. Not only is it coming off of a month-long hiatus, but the last two episodes were not well received by a lot of people, the promotion hasn't been great (as far as I can tell), the clocks have changed and the competition is going to be tougher than what we've had any other time this season (except for AI).

I hope the return of Erica, Sam and Tori Spelling, as well as the "bigness" of the story, will help to offset that.

Good points, I'm going to guess 4.05 mil. and hope for more.
ANTM got 4.47mil in the overnights. I don't think Smallville
will beat that, but I hope Smallville's ratings stay consistent.

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It's been awhile, so here's a reminder:
Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.16mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil.

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil. & Live+7= 4.89 mil.

#12 Bulletproof ~ *3.85 mil. & Live+7= 4.54 mil.

#13 Power ~ *4.21 mil. & Live+7= 4.94 mil.

#14 Requiem ~ *3.93 mil. & Live+7= 4.60 mil.

[marcella]

Well, I got one person from work excited about watching tonight. He hasn't seen the show since season 2.

That's great:D

[zorasuperman]

wonderful bring on more smallville fans :D

[individuall]

...Unfortunately I don't think it's going to hit 4 mil... I hope I'm wrong. But I just have a bad feeling...

[josue_can]

Amercas next top model got 5 mill. please, I hope we can match that

[6-Super-Man -5]

4.5 million

[bizzaroboy9]

6 million..

[davidbrenton]

My fear is that this episode will certainly get people talking, but, just like the first half of the season, we're going to have to rebuild that audience brick by brick with the disadvantage of a negative impression 4-episode stretch before it.

I hope it does well, but realistically, I expect it to do continually better through the finale because we are BACK ON TRACK.

[halvor311]

I'm guessing about 3.8-4.1 or something like that. A long hiatus can make you forget about a show pretty easily. I'm sure that this episode was good enough to bring fans who didn't like the Clana stuff back.

[Jade4813]

Ouch! You make good points, but I really hope it does better than 3.6 million.

I shoot low and hope to be pleasantly surprised. ;)

[dsfjr1190]

I wish this episode would get the best ratings of the season because, right now, it is definitely one of the best.

[LovelyLoisLane]

If the ratings aren't as high as we hoped it won't be because the episode was awful, so I can take comfort in that. It was very decent episode. :)

But I think SV may have lost quite a few fans with the whole arc that came before this, in addition to us coming off a hiatus. But I will keep my fingers crossed.

[monel49]

I'm guessing about 3.9

[Alicia Chipy]

Hope for 4.

[TayLaneBloom]

i'm betting on 4.5;

in the end, this episode was a come back, after a very torturing hiatus... everyone wanted to wach it.

[Doomsday44]

Legion did well after a long break, so I'm sure it did almost just as well.

[Mrs. Superman]

I'm hoping for at least a 4, but like a lot of ppl have already stated--after the hiatus plus the bad last episode--I would not be surprised if it was under 4.

[batfinx]

I guess under 3.5 million after the Lana arc. The hiatus break always does damage, but the last installment of the Lana arc lost a quarter of a million viewers ever before the hiatus came so I think it'll drop numbers worse than usual. I hope not, but I think it will.

[costas22]

I think Bones was on yes?It should be a most interesting rating.This episode with this concept was a good promotional way to come back.Let's hope it goes over 4mil.

[Tompouce]

I hope it will be high. It deserves it. ED and TW deserve it

[Supsfan]

Legion did well after a long break, so I'm sure it did almost just as well.

Legion didn't have any competition against it(all repeats), Infamous went up against a bunch of first run shows


I guess under 3.5 million after the Lana arc. The hiatus break always does damage, but the last installment of the Lana arc lost a quarter of a million viewers ever before the hiatus came so I think it'll drop numbers worse than usual. I hope not, but I think it will.

I don't see it going that bad but under 4M most likely

[dreammaster]

I say 3.5 mill

[slimdogg23]

I say 4.7

[theartist27]

Well, it was preempted in my area. I won't be able to watch it until Saturday. So I predict under 4 million. Hopefully higher.

[davidbrenton]

Well, it was preempted in my area. I won't be able to watch it until Saturday. So I predict under 4 million. Hopefully higher.

NO!!! Preemptions are not good. What is your area?

[mr lane]

NO!!! Preemptions are not good. What is your area?

there were a lot of preemptions in some areas do to basketball and hockey

there were people who were PO'd in the live thread because they werent able to watch it

[Supsfan]

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/200104911/m/871101591?r=391101591#391101591


and already renewed Smallville on the CW (2.4/ 4)

[cloisthelegendbegins]

^^^ REALLY???

OUCH!

Between basketball, the long hiatus, the previous episodes, bad promotion and some strong competition looks like we got BURNED. Live + numbers will hopefully even it out and it'll be interesting to see how we stack up against the other CW shows on the week.

But OUCH!

[-Nora-]

After the arc from hell, that's not surprising.

[Supsfan]

^^^ REALLY???

OUCH!

Between basketball, the long hiatus, the previous episodes, bad promotion and some strong competition looks like we got BURNED. Live + numbers will hopefully even it out and it'll be interesting to see how we stack up against the other CW shows on the week.

But OUCH!

Yeah not sure what that means in millions but that number is lower then most episodes(they seem to get in 2.5-2.9 range)

[Tiggers]

I'm thinking 3.9

These are overnights, right? So hopefully, it might go up a little.

[Tompouce]

If it is true, it is UNFAIR for the epi itself but as Nora after the Lana arc it is not surprising, GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR...

[Kel-El09]

I bet they were really effected. I live in Bryan, Texas, and Smallville wasn't on because of some stupid basketball tournament, and by the sounds of it, that happened in a bunch of places...so that will definitely affect the ratings. I mean, I watched it when it came on after the game was over, but I don't know if that will count towards the overall ratings.

[-Nora-]

If the final number is 3.9 then that's pretty good considering the circumstances.

[LuckyLois]

OH NO! That really sucks. Don't you guys feel like we always get the bad breaks?

[costas22]

We alwasy get Bones Pat.I think that's what's chiping away at the rating and constantly keeps it below 4.

[individuall]

We alwasy get Bones Pat.I think that's what's chiping away at the rating and constantly keeps it below 4.

And in some parts of the country they aired a basketball game instead of SV and SN...
So that didn't help the ratings either...
These are only the overnights, right?
hopefully the finals will go up...Maybe:\

[SupermanRox]

4M...

[Tompouce]

We alwasy get Bones Pat.I think that's what's chiping away at the rating and constantly keeps it below 4.
Honestly, I don't like Bones, I find the idea very good but the serie is so boring. IMO...

[Wicked Lois]

2.4?????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thats how CW promotes things.

[costas22]

I don't watch it either but i have noticed that Smallville goes below 4mil everytime is it up against it.In the last weeks it was on,Smallville did a great rating only when Bones was a repeat.And that episode was amidst the Power arc!

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Still beats Abyss tho, right?

*digs in and waits for Sparkles numbers to arrive*

[individuall]

Still beats Abyss tho, right?

I'm pretty sure..Wasn't abyss between 3.6-3.8 mill? Or something?

[Tompouce]

It drives me crazy, such a good episode ! I think you are right costas but Lana arc really doesn't help people to want to go further...

[thehenry89]

Well I know I didn't get to watch until an hour after it aired, because of basketball. Alot of other people in central texas had the same thing happen to them So the numbers are gonna be a bit skewed.

[costas22]

It drives me crazy, such a good episode ! I think you are right costas but Lana arc really doesn't help people to want to go further...
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If people gave up on the show because of Lana's arc that's too bad.The problem with Smallville is that it depends too much on other shows at the same time slot or baseball/basketball games.There is nothing we can do about that i am afraid.Power had a better rating,it doesn't make it a better episode.It just makes it a luckier one.

[josue_can]

Bones wont be remembered like Smallville in 20 years. I hate that show.

[clarkcasas]

It was a heck of an Episode, i cant believe it did that bad... But blaming it on lana arc?? Come on let CLANA Rest in Peace and move on, if the show did bad its not because of Clana CLois CHLARK CLEX or whatever characters, it did bad because CW does a crappy job at promoting Smallville and Smallville has some heavy competitors.

I still love smallville as much as the first day i started watching it and i think it just keeps getting better!!!

[costas22]

I agree.Tha Lana arc is over with.The show was coming back with the best concept possible,but with Bones against it,it is limited.

[Tompouce]

Don't be angry. I just say it is a consequence not the only one but it is a fact whatever we can say. Personally, if I wasn't a fan like I am, if I would have seen the Lana arc by chance, I would never want to see the episodes after. That is how it is...It doesn't mean I am right, it is just my opinion

[saltyweeks]

Yes, but from everything I can follow looking back through this forum (past shows/seasons) it's pretty much a given that at this point what Smallville is up against matters far more than the content of an individual show or the previous episodes. Predictions for "event" numbers don't seem to pan out, while "normal" episodes, even those many fans hate, do surprisingly well when the competition doesn't fall in its demographic.

[davidbrenton]

This is from zap2it.com

"Survivor: Tocantins" put CBS on top at 8 o'clock with a 7.4/12. "Bones," 5.9/10, finished second for FOX. "Ugly Betty" drew a 4.9/8 for ABC. A "My Name Is Earl" rerun and "Kath & Kim" came in fourth for NBC, while "Smallville" pulled down a 2.2/4 for The CW.


It says Smallville got 2.2/4

It's going to take time for the ratings to build, but I garuntee they will consistently build throughout the rest of the season. It's likely going to happen slower the 1H S8 given the Lana fiasco.

[clarkcasas]

im not mad its just my opinion too jejejejeje

Smallville is a Great show with great characters, cast, writing, production all that and its not that ppl dont like the show i think that if Smallville was on i dunno ABC or CBS or some major network then the ratings would be something else.

[oldblackmagick]

so what is the actual number for the ratings....3 mil? 4? 2??

[Supsfan]

so what is the actual number for the ratings....3 mil? 4? 2??

We usually don't find those out till later in the day, as I said the bulk of the early season got in the 2.5-2.9 range. I an guessing 2.4 is slightly under 4M and 2.2 is closer ro 3.5M

[oldblackmagick]

We usually don't find those out till later int he day, as I said the bulk of the early season got in the 2.5-2.9 range. I an guessing 2.4 is slightly under 4M and 2.2 is closer ro 3.5M

thanks:)

[stenochick]

I looked up that 2.4 rating on mediaweek and it said it was for the final week in February. Am I missing something?


Ratings Breakdown: CBS led this second Thursday of the February 2009 sweeps in the overnights, beating No. 2 ABC by a noticeable 30 percent.

Oh, I see what I did. They are referring to March as February sweeps. Can they make this any more confusing?

[celita]

3.72 million according to TV Guide

[Sailor Clois]

Smallville on the CW (2.4/ 4) (3.9 millions) according to mediaweek

O_o wich is the correct? lol

[Remy72883]

i cant believe ReaPER beat smallville that show sucks. SMALLVILLE ROCKS the ratings are definatley gonna go up can wait to see the result for Infamous

[oldblackmagick]

ehh could have been alot better but i just hope it doesn't get worse. many people were pissed how clark did lois and right after all the lana-bad-storytelling i just hope numbers stay solid:)

[Supsfan]

Smallville on the CW (2.4/ 4) (3.9 millions) according to mediaweek

O_o wich is the correct? lol


We probably won't find a correct number till later today(like 6PM) due to alot of pre-empts. That being said I find when there is conflicting numbers, Mediaweek is usually wrong

[-Nora-]

AchtungBecca pointed this out in another forum:

SV dropped 150,000 viewers, but SN lost over half a million. The Office and 30 Rock both dropped 13% of their audience. CSI lost almost 20% of its audience, Greys lost 13% of its audience, and Private Practice lost 20% (or 1/5) of its audience.

That puts the whole thing in perspective.

[BadToad]

CW Smallville 3.723 1.6/5 1.6/5

All things considered, I thought it was going to take a much bigger hit. But it comes as no surprise that its down.

Source: http://tvbythenumbers.com/

[-Nora-]

Compared to other shows, SV didn't lose all that many viewers last night. I'd even say it did quite well.

[costas22]

CW Smallville 3.723 1.6/5 1.6/5

Bones and Basketball.Too much to handle i am afraid.Hope it rises up.This episode should not have the lowest rating of the season.

[tyson08]

This episode deserves a much better rating than that.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

I think the percentages that Nora posted are very telling. Smallville may have dropped but then look at what it was up against and the PERCENTAGE it dropped against other shows and it looks a lot better that we might think

Smallville. The little engine that COULD ;)

[Lnc4Ever]

Well in Austin, the episode did not air until an hour later than usual (Big 12 tournament). I wonder if other markets had the same later airing of the episode...

[Dominicus]

Bones and Basketball.Too much to handle i am afraid.Hope it rises up.This episode should not have the lowest rating of the season.it might, the first call for requiem was 3.2 the rose to 3.9 so when the finals are in we'll see. But alot were turned off by power and requiem, the hiatus plus competition of several shows/entertainment.

[Supsfan]

it might, the first call for requiem was 3.2 the rose to 3.9 so when the finals are in we'll see. But alot were turned off by power and requiem, the hiatus plus competition of several shows/entertainment.

I think Requiem overnights were in the low 3.8Ms. The fact that SV was pre-empted in alot of areas I expect the 3.72 number to actually go down

[Luiz Fernando]

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[SparkleforSmallville]

Marc Berman's PI "and already renewed Smallville on the CW (Viewers: #5, 3.72 million; A18-49: #5, 1.6/ 5)" It went up at 8:30pm to 3.84mil. (guess it averaged out)

I would have liked the ratings to be higher, but after reading this:

TV by the Numbers: "After more than a month of Repeats, CW's Smallville returns with near identical numbers" Now, this is impressive:)

[Timester]

Thank Rao that Smallville survived the Power arc + a month break.

[Supsfan]

Thank Rao that Smallville survived the Power arc + a month break.

I am expecting the ratings to tank the second half because there is no continuity. One episode focus on L&C the next on Chloe & the beast, repeat 3 times. The preview though for next week might get enough people interested to come back(although I thought it was pretty stupid to show Clark holding her when she was unconcious)

[SparkleforSmallville]

I think Requiem overnights were in the low 3.8Ms. The fact that SV was pre-empted in alot of areas I expect the 3.72 number to actually go down
Yeah, Requiem overnights were 3.88, demo 1.6/4
Requiem final 3.93, demo 1.6/4

If Infamous, (3.72 mil, demo 1.6/5) was pre-empted in some markets, then yeah,
the Final will go down:/

I'm so glad we already have a Season 9 confirmed.:)

[Timester]

I am expecting the ratings to tank the second half because there is no continuity. One episode focus on L&C the next on Chloe & the beast, repeat 3 times. The preview though for next week might get enough people interested to come back(although I thought it was pretty stupid to show Clark holding her when she was unconcious)

Actually nope. Because Smalville never was an arc show, more of an episodical show. This season is actually the first based only on the arcs.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Thank Rao that Smallville survived the Power arc + a month break.

Yeah, Smallville has loyal Fans:)

[costas22]

Suprsfan is right.Many of the regulars are running out of episodes and until the end the continuity will be lacking.Lois doesn't feature much from now on does she?

[Timester]

Suprsfan is right.Many of the regulars are running out of episodes and until the end the continuity will be lacking.Lois doesn't feature much from now on does she?

Continuity is one phrase per episode only.

Why everyone is suddenly so concerned with something that NEVER happened in Smallville before?

[Kevin24]

Those are decent ratings but I expect next week to have higher ratings.

[costas22]

Why everyone is suddenly so concerned with something that NEVER happened in Smallville before? <!-- / message -->

Because in past seasons,characters who were the focal points weren't missing for 2-3 episodes.Many people don't care about Tess,and why should they?Where is the follow up to the two pivotal episodes she had in February.Continuity isn't only remembering Lana's kryptonite necklace or the barn door that Clark destroyed.It's also about keeping the characters in the thick of things.For example,in Season 3 when Lex and Lionel had their big feud neither one of them ever missed more than one episode in a row.

[Supsfan]

Because in past seasons,characters who were the focal points weren't missing for 2-3 episodes.Many people don't care about Tess,and why should they?Where is the follow up to the two pivotal episodes she had in February.Continuity isn't only remembering Lana's kryptonite necklace or the barn door that Clark destroyed.It's also about keeping the characters in the thick of things.For example,in Season 3 when Lex and Lionel had their big feud neither one of them ever missed more than one episode in a row.

Basically anybody who is watching who is into L&C will probably get frustrated, there is no steady flow to the story when she is in only 3 of the next 7 episodes. I assume some people not into spoilers will expect to watch next week to see what happens with the coffee scene between the 2, only to leave empty handed.

[Timester]

Because in past seasons,characters who were the focal points weren't missing for 2-3 episodes.Many people don't care about Tess,and why should they?Where is the follow up to the two pivotal episodes she had in February.Continuity isn't only remembering Lana's kryptonite necklace or the barn door that Clark destroyed.It's also about keeping the characters in the thick of things.For example,in Season 3 when Lex and Lionel had their big feud neither one of them ever missed more than one episode in a row.

Because in past seasons characters who were the focal points were signed for 22 episodes.

You can't an omelet without eggs.

Continuity IS following up the stories laid-out, even without the characters being there.

[Doomsday44]

I'm afraid the ratings might stay this way for a couple more weeks. Last night was every conferences basketball tourney and for the next two weeks it's the entire NCAA tournament. Pretty much every guy watches and fills out a bracket and is in a pool with money ridding on the games. Myself included, but I'm def gonna watch Smallville though. However I think this might hurt the next two episodes ratings.

[Timester]

Basically anybody who is watching who is into L&C will probably get frustrated, there is no steady flow to the story when she is in only 3 of the next 7 episodes. I assume some people not into spoilers will expect to watch next week to see what happens with the coffee scene between the 2, only to leave empty handed.

Just like the people watched because of Clana, right?

Sorry, I'm not going to enter into hypocrite camps when I always defended that what brings ratings is good stories and good stories only.

[joesmallville]

Forgot that this week was conference tournament week in College Basketball. Smallville every year has taken a dip in the ratings during this week.

If the numbers hold up it did pretty well.

[marcella]

Considering the circustancies, it wasn't so bad

[Eeyore840]

They need to stop the month-long hiatuses and air the show weekly.

They also need consistent writing and planned story arcs that make sense.

[Timester]

They need to stop the month-long hiatuses and air the show weekly.

That's impossible, since a season only has 22 episodes.

[Eeyore840]

That's impossible, since a season only has 22 episodes.



And they should show 22 new episodes consecutively.

[dsfjr1190]

Bones wont be remembered like Smallville in 20 years. I hate that show.


Of course Smallville will be remembered; it will still be on! :rolleyes:

:D

[Timester]

And they should show 22 new episodes consecutively.

And then we have a 30 weeks hiatus between seasons. That's not how TV works.

[costas22]

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Just like the people watched because of Clana, right?

Sorry, I'm not going to enter into hypocrite camps when I always defended that what brings ratings is good stories and good stories only.

That doesn't mean that a loveship can't bring ratings.I thought that last night's final scene was a good mini cliffhanger that let's you wondering what's going to happen next.It couild have been Jimmy in Clark's place and Chloe in Lois' and i would have said the same thing.And as supesfan said,imagine what will happen next week when people will expect to see Lois there.Just like Tess fans will be disappointed when they will not see her in Hex.You are right about pushing stories even when the characters don't show up.It happened at the end of Prey with Tess' assistant.But sometimes you need the real deal.Last night's arc with Davis couldn't happen with Sam Witwer not appearing could it?

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I hope they are learning from all of this and they structure Season 9 much better.The last season should not have such flaws.

[Eeyore840]

And then we have a 30 weeks hiatus between seasons. That's not how TV works.



I find many of your replies condescending, as if your opinion is the absolute truth, and no one else's opinion is worth consideration.



One or two repeats every so often is fine. However, one month without any new episodes, especially after taking the show in one direction but suddenly veering off course will result in a loss of viewers.

[Timester]

I find many of your replies condescending, as if your opinion is the absolute truth, and no one else's opinion is worth consideration.

Oh, nah, I'm dyslexic, so the best way for me to answer without being confusing is to be direct to the point. Nothing more than that.

[davidbrenton]

Thank Rao that Smallville survived the Power arc + a month break.

It's true. The worst is behind us, and the fact the show is still relatively strong is a huge koo to the show and especially promising for future episodes.

[myankskent]

And then we have a 30 weeks hiatus between seasons. That's not how TV works.

Well, that's not how tv on the CW works because there are other tv shows that air the season straight through, like Lost and 24.

[davidbrenton]

They need to stop the month-long hiatuses and air the show weekly.

They also need consistent writing and planned story arcs that make sense.

I think the month-long hiatuses were necessary especially since the first half of the season (Running 10 episodes straight through) proved so successful. Unfortunately, unless they started the show in January, they can't run the show straight through, and every other week of a new show just won't build momentum. I think they are doing the right thing by giving breaks to allow a full stream of new episodes with a short break between them.

I also love this years storylines (Minus the mid-season arc----horrible, arguably okay in the long run), but this season honestly appears to me like the most well-thought out season they've done . Everything is foreshadowed extremely early, and the overall weekly plots are extremely enjoyable with very little filler.

[Timester]

Well, that's not how tv on the CW works because there are other tv shows that air the season straight through, like Lost and 24.

And Stargate and BSG.

And you want to know what are the complains about them? That they are not spread out and the fans needs to wait more than 6 months to see a new episode.

I'm not joking. :p

[john100]

I find many of your replies condescending, as if your opinion is the absolute truth, and no one else's opinion is worth consideration.



One or two repeats every so often is fine. However, one month without any new episodes, especially after taking the show in one direction but suddenly veering off course will result in a loss of viewers.

because he is right, you dont understand how tv works

[Eeyore840]

because he is right, you dont understand how tv works

I am speaking as a viewer, not an industry insider. If any of you are insiders, then by all means, state your credentials. At times, your opinions appear arrogant and condescending. IMO.

[Turningforce]

I am speaking as a viewer, not an industry insider. If any of you are insiders, then by all means, state your credentials. Otherwise, your opinions appear arrogant and condescending. IMO.

Although this is my first post I have been monitoring these forums from the outside for several years. I can testify that Timester is nothing but a gentlemen and follows the K-site rules thoroughly. The problem with posts is that we can not hear the tone and pitch to which one is speaking. Timester is simply speaking a matter of factly and does not intend to offend.

[geminis]

Well in Austin, the episode did not air until an hour later than usual (Big 12 tournament). I wonder if other markets had the same later airing of the episode...

Yup. Omaha did. Been ill so I was out of touch and woke up right before 7:00 and spent the next hour and 15 minutes biting my nails and cursing.

All these numbers are confusing me right now. Head hurts. If the numbers for Infamous are lower, I'm not really that surprised; recently had lots of things to affect the numbers negatively. What I'm hoping is that now that Smallville is back and showing improvement again, partially courtesy of Lois Lane, the numbers will once again rise. *crosses fingers, touches wood*

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Although this is my first post I have been monitoring these forums from the outside for several years. I can testify that Timester is nothing but a gentlemen and follows the K-site rules thoroughly. The problem with posts is that we can not hear the tone and pitch to which one is speaking. Timester is simply speaking a matter of factly and does not intend to offend.

Welcome and glad you de-lurked! :)

English also is perhaps a second language for Timester, posting as he does from beautiful Lisboa. Nuances can be difficult for non-native speakers, I also highly doubt that he intends to deliberately offend.

I'm looking forward to the Live + 7 numbers. The preemption/delay has put a real kink in the March sweeps numbers, though, which frustrates me no end.

[Kal-ed]

I dont think Hiatus would be such a problem if there was better promotion, I dont know how people that dont log into Ksite know when Smallville is returning, except for the few lucky ones who happen to have caught one of the 4 per week ads that the CW airs to promote that Smallville is returning

[oldblackmagick]

4 per week??? that's a little generous. We get 8 ads for gossip girls and 90210 during smallville but only like one or two promo ads for smallville during the whole week. that sounds balanced:(

[Kal-ed]

yes Im a very generous person :D

[devilicus rebel]

when do the ratings come out?

[davidbrenton]

I am speaking as a viewer, not an industry insider. If any of you are insiders, then by all means, state your credentials. At times,your opinions appear arrogant and condescending. IMO.

Eeyore840, I'm behind you. This is a place to discuss all this and learn and share. It isn't necessary to be attacked for misunderstandings or lack of expertise in an area.

Explanations from members would go a lot further and be more conducive to a productive thread as opposed to criticisms on members perceived level of expertise.

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I dont think Hiatus would be such a problem if there was better promotion, I dont know how people that dont log into Ksite know when Smallville is returning, except for the few lucky ones who happen to have caught one of the 4 per week ads that the CW airs to promote that Smallville is returning

:rotfl:

I don't get it either.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I'm disappointed with the below-average numbers, bit I can't say I'm surprised. The competition is tough, and the promotion just wasn't really there for the return.

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I dont think Hiatus would be such a problem if there was better promotion, I dont know how people that dont log into Ksite know when Smallville is returning, except for the few lucky ones who happen to have caught one of the 4 per week ads that the CW airs to promote that Smallville is returning

That's true. I know there were a lot of people who thought that SV and SPN were still in repeats.

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AchtungBecca pointed this out in another forum:

SV dropped 150,000 viewers, but SN lost over half a million. The Office and 30 Rock both dropped 13% of their audience. CSI lost almost 20% of its audience, Greys lost 13% of its audience, and Private Practice lost 20% (or 1/5) of its audience.

That puts the whole thing in perspective.

Yep. Numbers almost always go down when the clocks move forward in the spring.

[Aries83]

Is 3.72 the final number or not? If not, I'm gonna say it may go up to 3.9

[costas22]

Yep. Numbers almost always go down when the clocks move forward in the spring. <!-- / message --><!-- edit note -->

Yeah,how exactly does that work for you guys?In Europe we move the clocks forward at the end of March.Have you guys already done it?I was watching the countdown yesterday and i was confused.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Yeah,how exactly does that work for you guys?In Europe we move the clocks forward at the end of March.Have you guys already done it?I was watching the countdown yesterday and i was confused.

Yes, we moved them forward an hour on Sunday morning. I'm not sure, but I think some parts of the country actually keep them the same all year round.

[costas22]

Yes, we moved them forward an hour on Sunday morning. I'm not sure, but I think some parts of the country actually keep them the same all year round. <!-- / message -->

Lol,too confusing!The only reason why i am happy i am not American.

[bgman36]

What really sucks is that the St Louis market didn't get to watch this episode. Hockey was on instead. this might have a little effect on the ratings.

[Jor-Fer]

One month ago everybody said that "Requiem" ratings were poor (a direct consecuence of the Clana or something)and then that "infamous" ratings would be great because everybody wanted to see Lois and Clois.Now , with the ratings on the hand I expect that everybody realizes that we represent a minimun percentage of the viewers and all of our thoughts and speculation about what things people want to watch or like to watch in the show are absolutely useless.

[Supsfan]

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/863101591/p/3

Smallville
- 3.567 million viewers
- 2.2/3 HH
- 1.6/4 A18-49
- 1.5/5 A18-34

[Jade4813]

One month ago everybody said that "Requiem" ratings were poor (a direct consecuence of the Clana or something)and then that "infamous" ratings would be great because everybody wanted to see Lois and Clois.Now , with the ratings on the hand I expect that everybody realizes that we represent a minimun percentage of the viewers and all of our thoughts and speculation about what things people want to watch or like to watch in the show are absolutely useless.

I just think that, as I said before, there's a lot more going into ratings than one particular factor. For example, how much of the rating for Infamous was due to the hiatus? To people who don't go online not knowing what the episode was going to be about so they didn't tune in because they thought it was going to be about something else? How much was due to the lack of promotion? How much was due to the Lois and Clark aspect or the Clark outed aspect? How much is due to the pre-emption?

I think it's ridiculous to say "This episode's going to do ______ because of _______." A lot of things go into the ratings. I'm surprised Requiem didn't do better, just because it was Lana's last episode. Did it not do well because of Clana? Lana? Or because people were disappointed by Power and so didn't tune in the following week?

Probably a little of all of the above. One factor typically doesn't make or break an episode in ratings. At least not as well as I've ever been able to tell.

[tyson08]

Wow....3.6...

[costas22]

Ouch!At least it didn't go below Abyss.

[Mrs. Superman]

One month ago everybody said that "Requiem" ratings were poor (a direct consecuence of the Clana or something)and then that "infamous" ratings would be great because everybody wanted to see Lois and Clois.Now , with the ratings on the hand I expect that everybody realizes that we represent a minimun percentage of the viewers and all of our thoughts and speculation about what things people want to watch or like to watch in the show are absolutely useless.
Actually not everybody said that. There was quite a few ppl, along with myself, who were expecting the ratings to be worse because not only were we coming off of a hiatus, but the writing the last couple episodes was bad. I'm not surprised Infamous did worse and I only hope that the ratings momentum can be built up again. I dont think it was Clana that resulted in bad ratings, but I do believe the bad writing (which includes how poorly Clana was written, but also the characters: Clark/Chloe/Lex) in the last arc is one of the factors Infamous' ratings were so low.

[bizzaroboy9]

im sure the rest of the episodes will do fine in rating

[costas22]

I dont think it was Clana that resulted in bad ratings, but I do believe the bad writing (which includes how poorly Clana was written, but also the characters: Clark/Chloe/Lex) in the last arc is one of the factors Infamous' ratings were so low. <!-- / message --><!-- edit note -->

And let's not forget the Bones factor as well.It's no coincidence that Power did so well without Bones in the competition that night.The hiatus might have been a reason but we did get good promotion for this episode.And Infamous also had a terrific concept so it should have brought viewers back.

[Sunny8]

I am not disappointed in the ratings. They are not as high as people wanted because a lot of people stopped watching SV after the Lana debacle, a lot of Clana/Lana fans stopped watching because Lana is no longer on the show, it was the first episode after the hiatus, it was preempted in some cities because of sports shows and was not promoted by CW that much. Considering all this, I think it did pretty good.

[Kal-ed]

Good promotion? I beg to differ, see the thing is, we online fans are a minority and although we saw the clips and we saw the trailer and the Directors Cut, I know from people who live in the US that the trailers are few and far inbetween and with that ratio its pretty hard for casual viewers to know when Smallville is airing new episodes, unless they happen to catch, out of pure luck, a promo on the CW, which if you dont know how it works its mostly a local channel during the day and turns into the CW at the begining of the prime time slots 8-11, so with 3 or 4 promos per week during 3 hour periods, certainly there´s a slim chance of people finding out it was a new episode.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.16mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil.

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil. & Live+7= 4.89 mil.

#12 Bulletproof ~ *3.85 mil. & Live+7= 4.54 mil.

#13 Power ~ *4.21 mil. & Live+7= 4.94 mil.

#14 Requiem ~ *3.93 mil. & Live+7= 4.60 mil.

#15 Infamous ~ *3.57 mil.


Pre-emptions always hurt the Ratings.:/
It was a good episode!

[Lilah]

I think the hiatus killed it. I think next week we'll be in the 4.5 millions...

[Kal-ed]

One month ago everybody said that "Requiem" ratings were poor (a direct consecuence of the Clana or something)and then that "infamous" ratings would be great because everybody wanted to see Lois and Clois.Now , with the ratings on the hand I expect that everybody realizes that we represent a minimun percentage of the viewers and all of our thoughts and speculation about what things people want to watch or like to watch in the show are absolutely useless.

Your wrong, people said Infamous would have horrible raitings, due to the Clana fiasco in previous episodes (bad raitings tend to befall on episode after a bad episode or a string of horrible episodes), the month long hiatus and the poor promotion (average viewers had virtually no way of finding out it was a new episode) and basketball were all factors and were all expected, in fact some of us were surprised raitings were so high, given the circumstances.

[Lilah]

Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.16mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil.

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil. & Live+7= 4.89 mil.

#12 Bulletproof ~ *3.85 mil. & Live+7= 4.54 mil.

#13 Power ~ *4.21 mil. & Live+7= 4.94 mil.

#14 Requiem ~ *3.93 mil. & Live+7= 4.60 mil.

#15 Infamous ~ *3.57 mil.


Pre-emptions always hurt the Ratings.:/
It was a good episode!

That just makes me sad. This really was a good episode on so many levels...

[costas22]

Good promotion? I beg to differ, see the thing is, we online fans are a minority and although we saw the clips and we saw the trailer and the Directors Cut, I know from people who live in the US that the trailers are few and far inbetween and with that ratio its pretty hard for casual viewers to know when Smallville is airing new episodes, unless they happen to catch, out of pure luck, a promo on the CW, which if you dont know how it works its mostly a local channel during the day and turns into the CW at the begining of the prime time slots 8-11, so with 3 or 4 promos per week during 3 hour periods, certainly there´s a slim chance of people finding out it was a new episode.

Thanx for the info.I was looking for some info as to how often the show gets promoted on American TV.

[Kal-ed]

Thanx for the info.I was looking for some info as to how often the show gets promoted on American TV.

Yup, not often, specially not compared to BH90210 or Gossip *pukes* Girl that get at least 10-12 promos per week, per US posters´s estimates.

[Timester]

One month ago everybody said that "Requiem" ratings were poor (a direct consecuence of the Clana or something)and then that "infamous" ratings would be great because everybody wanted to see Lois and Clois.Now , with the ratings on the hand I expect that everybody realizes that we represent a minimun percentage of the viewers and all of our thoughts and speculation about what things people want to watch or like to watch in the show are absolutely useless.

Most certainly not "everybody". Some (like me) did actually said that it would be down.

[davidbrenton]

That just makes me sad. This really was a good episode on so many levels...

It was. I hope the producers and network realize that the ratings are not necessarilly reflective of the quality of the episode. Especially given a horrible recent storyline and month+ hiatus.

[Timester]

Your wrong, people said Infamous would have horrible raitings, due to the Clana fiasco in previous episodes (bad raitings tend to befall on episode after a bad episode or a string of horrible episodes), the month long hiatus and the poor promotion (average viewers had virtually no way of finding out it was a new episode) and basketball were all factors and were all expected, in fact some of us were surprised raitings were so high, given the circumstances.

What Kal-ed said.

[costas22]

Let's face it guys.Bones has changed the complexion of Thursday nights.I know,i have said it one too many times.

[Timester]

Let's face it guys.Bones has changed the complexion of Thursday nights.I know,i have said it one too many times.

Nah. Smallville survived alot of other shows for the past 8 years, it's not Bones that will affect the ratings now.

[davidbrenton]

One month ago everybody said that "Requiem" ratings were poor (a direct consecuence of the Clana or something)and then that "infamous" ratings would be great because everybody wanted to see Lois and Clois.Now , with the ratings on the hand I expect that everybody realizes that we represent a minimun percentage of the viewers and all of our thoughts and speculation about what things people want to watch or like to watch in the show are absolutely useless.

No, I suspected ratings would rise beginning with Infamous (As in, the momentum will start to build back up to early season high's as viewers regained confidence). Good episodes bring in viewers for the next episode after the buzz gets around. Your right about the speculation part (abstract, useless), but it's fun and I don't see an issue with speculation on ratings in general.

--I still am convinced that Lana's arc hurt the show and I really do think "Infamous" ratings were PARTIALLY (but a significant part) hurt by it. Ironically, by the time Smallville was gaining tremendous positive reviews in the press (Right before Bride), the producers slammed the show with a very bad, regressive storyline that was practically the antithesis of what generated the positive buzz in the first place.

---If you look back at TV Guides artical, top 5 reasons to watch, at the top of the list was Lois Lane, then Metropolis, Clark's embracing of Superman, etc. So, after that article came out and people tuned in we were back in Smallville with Lana as a focus, a regressive/whipped emotionally stunted Clark. That's a big problem. It will take more positive buzz AFTER the show is back on track (NOW) to bring in the viewers (Who are probably more skeptical about ever coming back than ever before). Fortunately, the show has amazingly large and significant things planned over the course the next 7 episodes, and that will be enough to bring ratings up (I SPECULATE).

[Timester]

Although this is my first post I have been monitoring these forums from the outside for several years. I can testify that Timester is nothing but a gentlemen and follows the K-site rules thoroughly. The problem with posts is that we can not hear the tone and pitch to which one is speaking. Timester is simply speaking a matter of factly and does not intend to offend.

Thanks. :o

[Jaderoyale]

Extremley disappointed.

[costas22]

Nah. Smallville survived alot of other shows for the past 8 years, it's not Bones that will affect the ratings now.

That's true but it's different when you get a new competition in the middle of a season.Smallville of course will survive Bones,but it's ratings compared to when Bones wasn't against it will take a hit.It's only natural that Bones chips away at Smallville.Look at their rating.

[JDS2930]

Well....again this wasn't a bad episode but it wasn't the best either. Number one, my expectations were already low because I already knew there would be some deux ex machina at the end so that his identity wouldn't remain public. Come on...we all saw that coming. That in itself was a major disappointment to me. I almost didn't watch it because I figured, "why bother since I already know the ending?". That said, it wasn't horrible. I did like it. I was slightly intrigued to see Tori Spelling's return, though I wish there had been more of an explanation of how she survived and from where she returned. How did she even know about Davis? I'm glad we actually saw some doctors in the hospital since it usually appears to be completely vacant whenever Clark's battles are going down inside it. I do have to admit I liked it better than any of the last five Clana episodes. And I leave saying again Kara's episode, "Bloodline" still remains the hightest rated of the season showing she has a strong audience and support! ;) Here's hoping the speculation that she is one of the returning heroes in the finale "Doomsday" turns out to be true!! :D

[SparkleforSmallville]

The second half of the Seasons usually take a dive in Ratings.
But, actually S8 has been fairly consistent. We'll see whether
the next few episodes will go up or down......or up and down:)

it really amazes me how really consistent the Live+7 are.
Seems the exact same viewers are dvr-ing each week:lol:

[Mrs. Superman]

That's true but it's different when you get a new competition in the middle of a season.Smallville of course will survive Bones,but it's ratings compared to when Bones wasn't against it will take a hit.It's only natural that Bones chips away at Smallville.Look at their rating.
I dont know, I thought it had some stiff competition early in the season with the NFL, including being preempted a few times, and it still did pretty well regardless. At the same time you could very well be right about Bones factoring in significantly. There is nothing thus far that disproves this.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Yeah, Abyss really took a hit. It was pre-empted in NYC and Boston.
Those are huge Nielsen markets.

Also,I think all the shows last night were new episodes(Feb sweeps in March, you know)
But, Smallville is strong for the CW, and TPTB know all the variables.

[batfinx]

One month ago everybody said that "Requiem" ratings were poor (a direct consecuence of the Clana or something)and then that "infamous" ratings would be great because everybody wanted to see Lois and Clois.Now , with the ratings on the hand I expect that everybody realizes that we represent a minimun percentage of the viewers and all of our thoughts and speculation about what things people want to watch or like to watch in the show are absolutely useless.

No, I said they'd go down after the Clana arc because the quarter million who bailed after Power wouldn't come back and then after Requiem with no Clana resolution even more would leave. Trust me, I don't like being right about this. The only thing I got wrong was saying I thought the ratings would be under 3.5 million and they're just barely above 3.5 million. Bones is a factor in this, but of course they don't have an angst-ridden couple :lol:

The way the Clana arc ended, a lot of people said it seemed like a cliffhanger and I guess it is in a way. As long as there's some chance Lana can be cured, then it's always out there hanging over the series. The average viewer out there doesn't know that Lana isn't coming back, they have no reassurance at all. Even the Superman fans who had given this season another chance have bailed again.

On the bright side, yeah, I have a silver lining, I think next week will be higher. Maybe not way higher, but ABC is putting Ugly Betty on hold and bringing in two sitcoms instead. There's been very little crossover with sitcoms and Smallville fans in the past and Survivor will be gone next week. Not permanently, but for next week at least. It might be the best shot Smallville has of getting up to 3.7 or 3.8. Of course there's the NCAA factor, but the Clana arc cost Smallville a lot of male viewers anyway. I guess we'll see.

[marcella]

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/863101591/p/3

Smallville
- 3.567 million viewers
- 2.2/3 HH
- 1.6/4 A18-49
- 1.5/5 A18-34

:(

[ClarkyBoy14]

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/863101591/p/3

Smallville
- 3.567 million viewers
- 2.2/3 HH
- 1.6/4 A18-49
- 1.5/5 A18-34

I hope they go up next week. The CW certainly did put together an interesting promo. :)

[marcella]

I hope they go up next week. The CW certainly did put together an interesting promo. :)

I think that the quality of this episode and the trailer will make Turbulence ratings go up

[ClarkyBoy14]

Let's keep our fingers crossed! :)

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

3.5? Ouch

SV was pretty good last night(for me only because of Lois being back and Clois), but Bones was GOOD, I was flipping back and forth between both.

Bones is definitely not helping SV's ratings

[supes0]

No, I said they'd go down after the Clana arc because the quarter million who bailed after Power wouldn't come back and then after Requiem with no Clana resolution even more would leave.

Sure enough...

[vyperman7]

At this point, ratings don't really matter because Smallville was already renewed. The only time ratings are even an issue, is when it is late in the season and we haven't heard anything on the show getting renewed. At this point though, S9 is guaranteed. I do think it is funny however, that an episode dealing heavily in mythos and Clois can't even pull 4 million though. The CW has never really been great at advertising and long hiatuses are never good either.

[Aries83]

If i remember right, Abyss was the first episode after a long hiatus, and the numbers only went up from there so I think that, in a couple of episodes or so, the show will be back to what it was doing before the break.

[skylar]

3.5? Ouch

SV was pretty good last night(for me only because of Lois being back and Clois), but Bones was GOOD, I was flipping back and forth between both.

Bones is definitely not helping SV's ratings

I know and it sucks because i love Bones too. I'll watch Bones the after and watch
Smallville live.

[Supsfan]

If i remember right, Abyss was the first episode after a long hiatus, and the numbers only went up from there so I think that, in a couple of episodes or so, the show will be back to what it was doing before the break.

Actually SV showed the first 10 episodes in a row, Abyss being #9. From #3 Toxic -> #8 Bloodline(the best rated episode all year) the ratings got progressively better(save a very small dip in Prey). Abyss got the lowest rating all season(although Blacked out in NYC).

[geminis]

Yes, we moved them forward an hour on Sunday morning. I'm not sure, but I think some parts of the country actually keep them the same all year round.

Thanks to President Bush the dates were changed for Daylight Savings; in the fall usually we set the clocks back around Halloween but thanks to W. it was changed to the first week of November, one week later and for the Spring forward, it is now two weeks earlier than in years previous. Arizona is one of those states that doesn't follow Daylight Savings, except on the Indian reservations, which are federally regulated.

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At this point, ratings don't really matter because Smallville was already renewed. The only time ratings are even an issue, is when it is late in the season and we haven't heard anything on the show getting renewed. At this point though, S9 is guaranteed. I do think it is funny however, that an episode dealing heavily in mythos and Clois can't even pull 4 million though. The CW has never really been great at advertising and long hiatuses are never good either.

They'd better not go back on their word. I haven't had nearly enough Lois and Clark interaction and am counting on season 9. As for mythos, some people (don't ask me who, I just work with them) don't get into mythos or Superman or superheroes of any kind because that is kid stuff. The CW is great about advertising things like teen soaps and model wannabes, but Smallville, a superhero show that has been on since before the network started might as well not exist. :rolleyes:

[curiosity]

If i remember right, Abyss was the first episode after a long hiatus, and the numbers only went up from there so I think that, in a couple of episodes or so, the show will be back to what it was doing before the break.

At least this episode was above Abyss. I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be much more excited every week for Smallville if Lois was in every episode. I'm upset there's so little Lois this season.

They didn't have to get rid of Lois and bring in Lana to slow Clois down, but at least there was no horrific clone arc. I love their interaction without dating, and would love to see more of them working together every single episode.

I can't believe we only get 3 more episodes with her this season.

I hope she's in every episode next season. :)

[luvinChlark]

Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.16mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil.

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil. & Live+7= 4.89 mil.

#12 Bulletproof ~ *3.85 mil. & Live+7= 4.54 mil.

#13 Power ~ *4.21 mil. & Live+7= 4.94 mil.

#14 Requiem ~ *3.93 mil. & Live+7= 4.60 mil.

#15 Infamous ~ *3.57 mil.


Pre-emptions always hurt the Ratings.:/
It was a good episode!


I'm not understanding why lots are happy that Infamous is higher than Abyss, even though it's pretty close. I thought Abyss was enjoyable and if it wasn't due to the pre-empted football games it would have still gotten an average rating. I'm disappointed` that Requiem got more than Infamous. I'm guessing most Clana/Lana fans left and maybe some regular p'od SV fans, even Lois' return didn't bring many back. Now Infamous was still up against Bones and Survivor which brought down the ratings. Also because it was coming off an hiatus, except Legion did good after a hiatus. I heard their was a basketball game during this airing too.

[bizzaroboy9]

so what is the average of this season so far. how about last season?

[Lori Lemaris]

Omigod I never expected it to be this LOW!!!!

Now Clana Fans are celebrating!!! It just showed that Lana and Clana people still has some power over the show!

What the heck??? Infamous tanked in the ratings, and its supposed to be "The Return of Lois Lane".

Go Lois Go!!!

We hope next episodes will bring in more viewers.

[batfinx]

Now Clana Fans are celebrating!!! It just showed that Lana and Clana people still has some power over the show!

Odyssey, Identity and Bloodline all did better than anything in the Lana/Clana arc and Lois was in all of those episodes. Everything except Abyss in the first 10 episodes did better than Requiem. I'm not exactly seeing the power :lol: Now if they're celebrating that Lana/Clana turned off the audience and made them run screaming, then that's a victory they can certainly claim ;)

Seriously, after Power, 270,000 viewers didn't come back. After Requiem 360,000 viewers didn't come back. The first part of the season did great without Lana. You can't blame Lois when she was in 8 of the 10 first episodes and the 3 episodes that did better than any installment of the Clana arc. Clana was a total momentum killer. I'm hoping the ratings slowly build back up as word gets out that it's safe to watch again now that Lana is gone, but I'm guessing the show might not recover until it starts fresh next year.

[Dominicus]

What the heck??? Infamous tanked in the ratings, and its supposed to be "The Return of Lois Lane".

Go Lois Go!!!

We hope next episodes will bring in more viewers.If only CW promoted it like that, which they didn't and in some states basketball literally took over the smallville timeslot. They only issued one trailer online that got 170,000 views for several weeks that was it. And those who viewed the trailer were already invested viewers of the show, fans that been following online, however there was no promotion to pander to a new audience or general. Compare to the red/blue blur promotion, drilled into the audience's noggin of red/blue blur SV return after hiatus, they did no such thing with infamous. And the rest batfinx, puts it in better prospective. If anything if Claners were to celebrate, it would be because of the destruction that arc left behind, post arc ratings not to mention an absurdly long hiatus. They should not have returned to the past in such a way, this is why some folks were miffed and were completely turned off by power, then followed by Requiem.

[Dresden]

Odyssey, Identity and Bloodline all did better than anything in the Lana/Clana arc and Lois was in all of those episodes. Everything except Abyss in the first 10 episodes did better than Requiem. I'm not exactly seeing the power :lol: Now if they're celebrating that Lana/Clana turned off the audience and made them run screaming, then that's a victory they can certainly claim ;)

Seriously, after Power, 270,000 viewers didn't come back. After Requiem 360,000 viewers didn't come back. The first part of the season did great without Lana. You can't blame Lois when she was in 8 of the 10 first episodes and the 3 episodes that did better than any installment of the Clana arc. Clana was a total momentum killer. I'm hoping the ratings slowly build back up as word gets out that it's safe to watch again now that Lana is gone, but I'm guessing the show might not recover until it starts fresh next year.

Boo! Data and logic are boring! Putting all the blame on Lois Lane's return and Lana Lang's departure while ignoring the real factors for this ratings disaster is just so much more fun and gratifying! :rolleyes:

[Dominicus]

No, I said they'd go down after the Clana arc because the quarter million who bailed after Power wouldn't come back and then after Requiem with no Clana resolution even more would leave. Trust me, I don't like being right about this. The only thing I got wrong was saying I thought the ratings would be under 3.5 million and they're just barely above 3.5 million. Bones is a factor in this, but of course they don't have an angst-ridden couple :lol:

The way the Clana arc ended, a lot of people said it seemed like a cliffhanger and I guess it is in a way. As long as there's some chance Lana can be cured, then it's always out there hanging over the series. The average viewer out there doesn't know that Lana isn't coming back, they have no reassurance at all. Even the Superman fans who had given this season another chance have bailed again.

On the bright side, yeah, I have a silver lining, I think next week will be higher. Maybe not way higher, but ABC is putting Ugly Betty on hold and bringing in two sitcoms instead. There's been very little crossover with sitcoms and Smallville fans in the past and Survivor will be gone next week. Not permanently, but for next week at least. It might be the best shot Smallville has of getting up to 3.7 or 3.8. Of course there's the NCAA factor, but the Clana arc cost Smallville a lot of male viewers anyway. I guess we'll see.ITA

[davidbrenton]

Why does the kryptonsite main page say 3.72 is the final number?


Is that it or is 3.57?

[costas22]

David,Craig put the first rating that we found out.The finals hadn't come out yet.


Seriously, after Power, 270,000 viewers didn't come back. After Requiem 360,000 viewers didn't come back. The first part of the season did great without Lana. You can't blame Lois when she was in 8 of the 10 first episodes and the 3 episodes that did better than any installment of the Clana arc. Clana was a total momentum killer. I'm hoping the ratings slowly build back up as word gets out that it's safe to watch again now that Lana is gone, but I'm guessing the show might not recover until it starts fresh next year. <!-- / message -->

But then again you can't blame Lana either.Not after 3 of her 5 episodes did well.Personally i feel that Smallville has been getting rating hits ever since Bones was brought up against it.Bulletproof,especially the eay it ended didn't hold much promise did it?And the the trailer about Power that followed was all about Lana.Yet Power did the highest rating we have had ever since Legion.Why?Because on that night Bones wasn't on.Someone said yesterday that Ugly Betty might go on hiayus for a while.That's good but the real problem is Bones because it's closer to Smallville's genre than Ugly Betty.

[F..l]

Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:

#15 Infamous ~ *3.57 mil.


Pre-emptions always hurt the Ratings.:/
It was a good episode!

oh no !! is this really truth ?? :(:( :confused:
It's very bad ... I am disapointed :(

[Timester]

But then again you can't blame Lana either.Not after 3 of her 5 episodes did well.Personally i feel that Smallville has been getting rating hits ever since Bones was brought up against it.Bulletproof,especially the eay it ended didn't hold much promise did it?And the the trailer about Power that followed was all about Lana.Yet Power did the highest rating we have had ever since Legion.Why?Because on that night Bones wasn't on.Someone said yesterday that Ugly Betty might go on hiayus for a while.That's good but the real problem is Bones because it's closer to Smallville's genre than Ugly Betty.

It's not because of Bones. If they story was good, people would stay, simple as that.

[Dominicus]

Why does the kryptonsite main page say 3.72 is the final number?


Is that it or is 3.57?TV guide also had 3.72:confused:

[Nowhere08]

David,Craig put the first rating that we found out.The finals hadn't come out yet.



But then again you can't blame Lana either.Not after 3 of her 5 episodes did well.Personally i feel that Smallville has been getting rating hits ever since Bones was brought up against it.Bulletproof,especially the eay it ended didn't hold much promise did it?And the the trailer about Power that followed was all about Lana.Yet Power did the highest rating we have had ever since Legion.Why?Because on that night Bones wasn't on.Someone said yesterday that Ugly Betty might go on hiayus for a while.That's good but the real problem is Bones because it's closer to Smallville's genre than Ugly Betty.


I totally agree. Ugly Betty being competition to Smallville is like 24 being a competition HIMYM(or something along those lines). Very different genres. I love Smallville and Bones. But thankfully I dont have to choose between them 'cuz I don't live in the US.
I think the Lana arc DID play a part in Infamous's below-average rating but the main factor was Bones IMO. The Bones episodes are getting better each week. But so is Smallville(by the sound of it). Let's see what happens...:(

[costas22]

If they story was good, people would stay, simple as that. <!-- / message -->

Smallville has ceased being the must see show on television for a while now.It's story is no longer unique so that it will attract new viewers.In Season 8 it's audience are mostly hardcore fans who will watch it no matter what.If we look at the audiences,Smallville must have lost 500.000 viewers from Power until Infamous?That can't happen due to bad storytelling in my view.People who follow the show now won't quit it because they squeezed in a 3 episode Lana arc.

[Mickey_Bickey]

We talked about the HUGE LACK of promotion on this episode by the CW!! They promoted the hell out of the past 4 episodes, and there were a lot more interviews. There was nothing for this episode except the trailers and directors cut. Pretty sad! We saw write ups in the New York Times, New York Post, TV Guide, plus other internet sites with KK and AM doing interviews. That certainly helped in the ratings. There was nothing for Infamous! I hope that ED does an interview soon, and I won't hold my breath but TW is long overdue for an interview. I'd like to see him on the Bonnie Hunt Show and perhaps sit down with Matt from TV Guide and Ausiello from EW.

[Timester]

Smallville has ceased being the must see show on television for a while now.It's story is no longer unique so that it will attract new viewers.In Season 8 it's audience are mostly hardcore fans who will watch it no matter what.If we look at the audiences,Smallville must have lost 500.000 viewers from Power until Infamous?That can't happen due to bad storytelling in my view.People who follow the show now won't quit it because they squeezed in a 3 episode Lana arc.

It does and it happened before, every single year. Smallville always drop badly after a stunk and a hiatus in mid season.

The surprise here is not that it fell, the surprise is that it didn't fell as much as it would be expected. Everything else we know for years now.

[Dominicus]

Smallville has ceased being the must see show on television for a while now.It's story is no longer unique so that it will attract new viewers.In Season 8 it's audience are mostly hardcore fans who will watch it no matter what.If we look at the audiences,Smallville must have lost 500.000 viewers from Power until Infamous?That can't happen due to bad storytelling in my view.People who follow the show now won't quit it because they squeezed in a 3 episode Lana arc.Unless that arc reminded them of why they stopped watching the show in the first place. Season 8 first half had a ratings rebound for a reason, they took the show in a new direction and promoted that bringing back a lot of fans that strayed, including myself. However, I did not let the arc effect me, but I cannot speak for others who have said that was it for them. I'm optimistic, but that arc had no place in this season, bad timing and poorly place, SV's achilles heel. But I think it will get better, that arc wasn't a major factor I hope, otherwise the rest of the season looks bleak. But hiatus, lack of promotion, and basketball games in place of SV's time-slot was a bigger major factor IMO

[costas22]

Season 8 first half had a ratings rebound for a reason<!-- / message -->

I thought that at the beginning,Season 8 was about a point below the corresponding episodes of Season 7,but i could be wrong.But i do think you are right about the placement of the arc.It might have been better if they had put Lana's final episodes at the beginning of the season to get her farewell story out of the way and have a solid momentum for Clois as well as Doomsday.Let's not forget that amidst the Power arc,they also suspended Doomsday's story.


It does and it happened before, every single year. Smallville always drop badly after a stunk and a hiatus in mid season.

The surprise here is not that it fell, the surprise is that it didn't fell as much as it would be expected. Everything else we know for years now. <!-- / message -->

It does seem to fall after a hiatus doesn't it?But then again Legion held up pretty well and there was a 2 month hiatus there.We will never know about my Bones theory unfortunately because it keeps airing alongside Smallville for the next month.

[Timester]

It does seem to fall after a hiatus doesn't it?But then again Legion held up pretty well and there was a 2 month hiatus there.We will never know about my Bones theory unfortunately because it keeps airing alongside Smallville for the next month.

A stunk and a hiatus. Not just a hiatus.

[stenochick]

Nah. Smallville survived alot of other shows for the past 8 years, it's not Bones that will affect the ratings now.

It seems that Bones is decimating the other major network competition based on the percentage drops this week. A cult-favorite like Smallville is not going to be that affected by Bones. It will have a ratings drop because of Bones, but it won't fall off a cliff like the other shows. Look at NBC. They are one of the big three and their ratings were just slightly above Smallville because of a show on FOX (Bones).

[ClarkyBoy14]

"Infamous" is up to number four on iTunes. :)

[Cogito17]

The only predictable thing about the ratings is that you won't be able to predict them. By that same token I don't think anyone can accurately state why ratings go up/down.

My question is, people who are saying that the Lana arc is responsible for driving down ratings, would they still be attributing the change in ratings to Lana if they had gone way up?

Or, if you think the absence of Lana drove down ratings, would you still be saying Lana's absence is responsible for the change in ratings if they had gone way up?

There are good episodes with more Lana focus, there are bad episodes with more Lana focus. There are good episoes with more Lois focus, there are bad episodes with more Lois focus. It is impossible to predict which episodes will be good or bad based simply on the characters in them (they are generally the same), it more has to do with the quality of the show in general, and on a larger scale than any one episode (imo).

A lot of times, I think people just use the numbers in whatever way justifies their pre-existing opinion. My personal guess on why the ratings dropped is that it was a combination of poor advertising, the hiatus, and the general drop in television viewership that others have reported.

[Timester]

It seems that Bones is decimating the other major network competition based on the percentage drops this week. A cult-favorite like Smallville is not going to be that affected by Bones. It will have a ratings drop because of Bones, but it won't fall off a cliff like the other shows. Look at NBC. They are one of the big three and their ratings were just slightly above Smallville because of a show on FOX (Bones).

Exactly.

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The only predictable thing about the ratings is that you won't be able to predict them. By that same token I don't think anyone can accurately state why ratings go up/down.

My question is, people who are saying that the Lana arc is responsible for driving down ratings, would they still be attributing the change in ratings to Lana if they had gone way up?

Or, if you think the absence of Lana drove down ratings, would you still be saying Lana's absence is responsible for the change in ratings if they had gone way up?

There are good episodes with more Lana focus, there are bad episodes with more Lana focus. There are good episoes with more Lois focus, there are bad episodes with more Lois focus. It is impossible to predict which episodes will be good or bad based simply on the characters in them (they are generally the same), it more has to do with the quality of the show in general, and on a larger scale than any one episode (imo).

A lot of times, I think people just use the numbers in whatever way justifies their pre-existing opinion. My personal guess on why the ratings dropped is that it was a combination of poor advertising, the hiatus, and the general drop in television viewership that others have reported.

This is very simple, bad stories = bad ratings. It has been like this since the beginning.

When a padron is frequent, then we can say as fact that the padron is the standard.

[lanaishot565]

[MOD EDIT]

When the last episodes were lower it was lana and clana. BUT when the ratings are EVEN LOWER and lois is back and lana is gone [MOD EDIT]. But for me yea lana is to blame cause I have stopped watching cause lana is gone.

This reminds me of Fierce. Which was VERY clana promoted and was a HIT in ratings. But people were so sure it would get low ratings.

Truthfully the ratings ALWAYS fall after the show returns from winter break.

[MOD EDIT]

[-Nora-]

You lois and clois fans are so funny!!

When the last episodes were lower it was lana and clana. BUT when the ratings are EVEN LOWER and lois is back and lana is gone you are finding all these other reasons and some are still blaming lana. But for me yea lana is to blame cause I have stopped watching cause lana is gone.

This reminds me of Fierce. Which was VERY clana promoted and was a HIT in ratings. But people were so sure it would get low ratings.

Truthfully the ratings ALWAYS fall after the show returns from winter break.

So really get over it. Your precious lois and clois dont do anything for the ratings.

Meh, another bitter Clana fan. Is there a yawn smiley here?

[batfinx]

What makes this different from usual ratings equations is that Clark had advanced so much in the first half of season 8. There was flirty stuff going on with Lois, Clark became a real hero patrolling the city, he became a reporter and there was the Davis/Doomsday stuff, Tess collecting the mutant bad guys and then it was gone. It was like someone surgically removed a part of season 7 and grafted it onto season 8 and suddenly all of the stuff prior to Lana's arc seemed all but forgotten, including Clark's progress. Worse, it ended with no resolution.

I've read reviews from people who clearly don't read spoilers who think the show is setting up a Clark/Lois/Lana triangle precisely because there was no resolution. And even those of us who know Lana isn't coming back, it doesn't matter, because Clark has been left on her hook. He can't really move on to Lois without looking like he's a "love the one you're with" type of guy or making Lois seem like a consolation prize. They sucked the fun right out of the relationship and I guess that's where Bones actually does make a difference. Viewers can pick Smallville's angst-o-rama, or they can watch a fun couple. I think this is the first time a show with a popular "ship" has been on opposite Smallville.

Truthfully Smallville is no competition for Bones even if they had ended Clana smartly and set Clark free, but Smallville would've had a better chance of getting back closer to its previous numbers and not have disillusioned a lot of viewers. There were people on this message board who said "that's it for me" after Clark and Lana got back together in Power and apparently over a quarter of a million viewers felt the same way. I can't really get into the Clark/Lois thing now because of that bad ending in Requiem. Seriously, why bother?

I hope the ratings tick back up as people realize the show is struggling to get back the momentum it threw away during the Lana arc and I admit I don't sweat it too much because their renewal has been announced, but I hope next year is the last so they can actually keep things moving toward the future without suddenly crushing the progress again.

[Cogito17]

This is very simple, bad stories = bad ratings. It has been like this since the beginning.

When a padron is frequent, then we can say as fact that the padron is the standard.

I agree in principal. But I don't agree that one or two bad episodes drastically affects the ratings of the subsequent episodes, it is the quality of the episodes on a larger scale.

For example, last season, ratings increased after "Sleeper" (generally considered a low point in the season). Which, I am not trying to indicate a pattern, just saying that there is no definite rule as to what affects the ratings.

[Jaderoyale]

You lois and clois fans are so funny!!

When the last episodes were lower it was lana and clana. BUT when the ratings are EVEN LOWER and lois is back and lana is gone you are finding all these other reasons and some are still blaming lana. But for me yea lana is to blame cause I have stopped watching cause lana is gone.

This reminds me of Fierce. Which was VERY clana promoted and was a HIT in ratings. But people were so sure it would get low ratings.

Truthfully the ratings ALWAYS fall after the show returns from winter break.

So really get over it. Your precious lois and clois dont do anything for the ratings.

The fact is... Requiem hurt the ratings badly.
But that isn't the matter here. Its been covered in this thread.
Your post is unnecessary.

[unex||den||adel]

lanaishot565.

1 advice. BAck up. Dont waste your time debating the ship. U'll save a chance from being banned or pinned down by other shippers. They r just too many.

peace all.out.

[PokaPlaya]

According to tvbythenumbers.com requiem posted a raw 3.9 mill while infamous a raw 3.7 with almost identical shares in 18 -49 and 18 -34 viewers. I don't know why the disparity in other reported numbers but i trust this site and a drop of 200K viewers seems consistent with 1) some fans leaving b/c of KK leaving, 2) in certain areas where digital transition has taken place and ppl have not received their boxes or cable yet, 3) number of live vs dvr viewers (i didn't watch live myself), 4) long hiatus resulting in ppl not knowing when new shows will be on. Anyway, if these numbers are correct 200k doesn't seem all that much to me.

[thehenry89]

I'm telling you march madness skewed the numbers too.

[Mrs. Superman]

You lois and clois fans are so funny!!

When the last episodes were lower it was lana and clana. BUT when the ratings are EVEN LOWER and lois is back and lana is gone you are finding all these other reasons and some are still blaming lana. But for me yea lana is to blame cause I have stopped watching cause lana is gone.

This reminds me of Fierce. Which was VERY clana promoted and was a HIT in ratings. But people were so sure it would get low ratings.

Truthfully the ratings ALWAYS fall after the show returns from winter break.

So really get over it. Your precious lois and clois dont do anything for the ratings.
I dont know how many more ways I can say 'MANY of us PREDICTED a drop right after requiem bc of BAD WRITING'. Not just that Clana was written poorly, but also the way the characters of Clark/Chloe/Lex/ Oliver, were short changed throughout the arc. And beyond that the whole concept and short cut plot devices that made no sense and had little continuity. So yes, like many have already stated, ratings in Infamous were expected to be lower bc after that horrible episode (along with the hiatus) some people tuned out. And if this was about Lana/Lois whatever, why were the ratings so much higher in the beginning? I doubt ppl who watch this show strictly for Lana would have been watching at the beginning of the season. So why were the ratings higher than, and versus greater competition (like NFL preempts). Could it be ... GOOD WRITING?




This is very simple, bad stories = bad ratings. It has been like this since the beginning.

When a padron is frequent, then we can say as fact that the padron is the standard.
EXACTLY!!!

[Kal-ed]

But then again you can't blame Lana either..

not Lana perse but the regression her arc meant for Clark and for the overall story, for 2 episodes we were back in season 5. I know of 4 casual viewers who were happy Lana was gone and were disapointed she came back and stoped watching the show, couldnt get them to give it a nother shot, see the diference between us fans and them casual viewers is their lack of loyalty (so to speak), they dont care for the show, they like something they watch it, they dont, they change the channel, its that easy. And Im talking about friends who dont ship, watch Smallville for the acction and think all 4 girls are hot and dont really care who Clark ends up with as long as it doesnt involve him acting like a wuss.

And to be honest, aside from Clana fans, i dont see how can anyone enjoy Clark acting like a spineless, love sick puppy, whether one ships Clark with someone else or not.

Raitings are not about a certain character or a certain ship, their about good or bad stories, the Clana arc was a horrible, contrived story that didnt fit the general tone of the season nor with the direction the show was taking. It broke the season in 2 and didnt actually move anything forward, that´s what people didnt like and that´s why they left and that´s why I think it will be very hard to get them back.

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This is very simple, bad stories = bad ratings. It has been like this since the beginning.


Exactly

[stenochick]

I don't think it is necessary to turn a thread about ratings into a "shipper war."

Smallville is a niche market, and has a cult following. Smallville fans watch it on DVR, download it on I-tunes, and go to comic conventios where Smallville actors will be.

I think we are obsessing over ratings because we desperately want it to break four million and come up with all kinds of excuses when it doesn't. A sci-fi superhero show in its 8th season on a netlet (CW) is simply not going to pull in huge ratings.

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Edited to add: I was not responding to anyone specifically, but to all of us in general.

[batfinx]

According to tvbythenumbers.com requiem posted a raw 3.9 mill while infamous a raw 3.7 with almost identical shares in 18 -49 and 18 -34 viewers. I don't know why the disparity in other reported numbers but i trust this site and a drop of 200K viewers seems consistent with 1) some fans leaving b/c of KK leaving, 2) in certain areas where digital transition has taken place and ppl have not received their boxes or cable yet, 3) number of live vs dvr viewers (i didn't watch live myself), 4) long hiatus resulting in ppl not knowing when new shows will be on. Anyway, if these numbers are correct 200k doesn't seem all that much to me.

The loss of 270,000 was after Power, i.e. 270,000 viewers who had watched Power, didn't come back for Requiem. So that can't be about KK leaving, she was still there. The conversion from analogue to digital television was delayed by Congress until June 12. But I will grant you the hiatus problem. That has plagued Smallville from the beginning. When they go two months without a new episode, the numbers have really crashed. However, when an audience feels tricked, they're slow to forgive and some never do.

Why build Clark up as the Red-Blue Blur and working at the Planet to have that all but disappear during Lana's arc? Why tease the audience along with episodes like Instinct, Committed and even Bride implying Clark and Lois are getting closer and falling for each other just to destroy that in the last two episodes of Lana's arc? Doesn't it sound a lot like a bait and switch scheme? I'm still hoping the ratings will tick back up for the remainder of the season and the finale will probably be great, but they may have to bank on next season to get some respect back.

[Iluvgreen]

I expected it to be higher, but I still think that next week will have more. It's prolly just because it was right after the break.

[marcella]

Turbulence will have better ratings

[Supsfan]

Turbulence will have better ratings

I think they did the right thing having the entire preview dedicated to Clark, that should spark viewer interest. I just hope he plays a big part in next episode.

[lanaishot565]

Mod edit

I have friends who really aren't big fans of smallville. They dont have fan characters or couples. Watched the first episode of this season stopped cause it felt like a different show. Returned to Bride and watched every episode after that. I asked them did they watch the new episode 2 out of the 6 said yes. I said why cause lana left. Some said the show isnt the same like it used to be. With Lana back it felt like the old smallville again. Now to many people are gone to have it feel the same.

[-Nora-]

I love ignore lists.

[Supsfan]

Mod edit

All I think some people are pointing out is that between the month long haitus and the Lana arc that derailed the season for the non Clana fan, a good portion of viewers dropped out and found better things to do.


We dont want to see lois and clois jammed down our throats. :rolleyes:

How about contrived plots that make no sense(Clark could have used the ring he used in Infamous for instance to reverse the Lana situation) shoved down our throats?

[lanaishot565]

All I think some people are pointing out is that between the month long haitus and the Lana arc that derailed the season for the non Clana fan, a good portion of viewers dropped out and found better things to do.

Just like after Bride! If you look back at past seasons. THE RATINGS ALWAYS DROP after winter break. Actually if you compare winter ratings to last this season is doing better.

[Supsfan]

Just like after Bride! If you look back at past seasons. THE RATINGS ALWAYS DROP after winter break. Actually if you compare winter ratings to last this season is doing better.

The 2 episodes that did well, weren't up against any tough competition. The 2 Lana episodes that went under 4M were up against Bones. The fact that Lana's last episode got a 3.93M rating tells me that either people could care less about Lana, or the bulk of the general audience had no clue that she was leaving(I will probably side with the later assumption).

If I didn't read spoilers I would assume the next episode Clark goes out and tries to save Lana. You add in a 4 week break, tougher competition(new shows on all networks) and being pre-empted in a few markets due to basketball, it's not suprising the rating went down

[Mrs. Superman]

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Say what? :confused: You just started out blasting people, who, from what I've seen listed story/bad writing as one of the reasons why the ratings were going to drop--and did drop--, and then ended with the example of your friends missing the old smallville for what point? That this means in the minds of millions of ppl, they miss the old smallville? Color me confused. I'm not sure what you were trying to get at.


The loss of 270,000 was after Power, i.e. 270,000 viewers who had watched Power, didn't come back for Requiem. So that can't be about KK leaving, she was still there. The conversion from analogue to digital television was delayed by Congress until June 12. But I will grant you the hiatus problem. That has plagued Smallville from the beginning. When they go two months without a new episode, the numbers have really crashed. However, when an audience feels tricked, they're slow to forgive and some never do.

Why build Clark up as the Red-Blue Blur and working at the Planet to have that all but disappear during Lana's arc? Why tease the audience along with episodes like Instinct, Committed and even Bride implying Clark and Lois are getting closer and falling for each other just to destroy that in the last two episodes of Lana's arc? Doesn't it sound a lot like a bait and switch scheme? I'm still hoping the ratings will tick back up for the remainder of the season and the finale will probably be great, but they may have to bank on next season to get some respect back.

Exactly!!! The story was not coherent with the rest of the season, which was doing pretty well on its own. Bottom line this is not about Lana/Lois/Clana/Clois/Chlark/etc. It is about good writing and good stories. I would have enjoyed this arc with Lana and no Lois if it had been written well. In fact I enjoyed it all the way through Bulletproof. But Power and Requiem were aboslutely horrible.


I don't think it is necessary to turn a thread about ratings into a "shipper war."

Smallville is a niche market, and has a cult following. Smallville fans watch it on DVR, download it on I-tunes, and go to comic conventios where Smallville actors will be.

I think we are obsessing over ratings because we desperately want it to break four million and come up with all kinds of excuses when it doesn't. A sci-fi superhero show in its 8th season on a netlet (CW) is simply not going to pull in huge ratings.

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Edited to add: I was not responding to anyone specifically, but to all of us in general.

I agree. This is no place for shipper wars.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

When did this turn into a shipper war?

Does anyone have the last season to this season chart updated? I think the trend was a drop in the back half of the season if I remember correctly. The percentages from last year to this year might make for interesting reading. Am also interested to see what the Live+ figures show...

[thehenry89]

Blaming ships and charachters for a shows horrible ratings never solves anything and usually ends up getting ugly. There are three logical and non-shipper reasons for the loss of ratings IMO

First: Daylight savings time. Alot of people are thrown off by the adding an extra hour thing, myself included. I keep freaking out cuz my I think my alarm is going off early.

second: DTV transistion

and finally: NCAA basketball, here in the central texas area and some others that I've heard of, we had to wait another hour and fifteen minutes to watch smallvile. In fact I went on to my local CW website, and looked at their viewing schedule and they listed a women's basket ball game at the time when Smallville actually did come on. If I hadn't been in near comatose shock in front of the TV when 8:15 rolled around I would have missed it :lol:

The point is I don't blame lana or lois or clana or clois or chloe or chlavis or chlark or clex W/E for the ratings drop when there are perfectly logical realistic reasons right in front of my face.

[davidbrenton]

Oh gosh, I thought that was all behind us (Clana). Here's to better ratings and even more enjoyable (If it's possible) episodes going forward.

Here Here.

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Blaming ships and charachters for a shows horrible ratings never solves anything and usually ends up getting ugly. There are three logical and non-shipper reasons for the loss of ratings IMO

First: Daylight savings time. Alot of people are thrown off by the adding an extra hour thing, myself included. I keep freaking out cuz my I think my alarm is going off early.

second: DTV transistion

and finally: NCAA basketball, here in the central texas area and some others that I've heard of, we had to wait another hour and fifteen minutes to watch smallvile. In fact I went on to my local CW website, and looked at their viewing schedule and they listed a women's basket ball game at the time when Smallville actually did come on. If I hadn't been in near comatose shock in front of the TV when 8:15 rolled around I would have missed it :lol:

The point is I don't blame lana or lois or clana or clois or chloe or chlavis or chlark or clex W/E for the ratings drop when there are perfectly logical realistic reasons right in front of my face.


Don't forget it was the day before Friday the 13th and people were already fear-stricken and stuck in the headlights (like deer) unable to change the channel at all. Pity for the CW.

That explanation surpasses the whole basketball excuse from my standpoint.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Whose great idea was it, to have the Sweeps during March Madness:confused:
They should have just kept them in Feb.:/

[smallvillerocks45]

The DTV transition that was supposed to happen in February is the cause of Sweeps happening during March Madness... but since the transition was postponed until June, it was just big lump of phooey anyway. Now, good shows, like Smallville, must suffer the consequences of viewers who have got to see their teams play.

...Oh well... hopefully next week (which looks so absolutely Supermanly) we'll see better ratings.

[marcella]

I love ignore lists.

Me too:D

[Lori Lemaris]

My friend from Canada wants to know if Canada is included in the ratings....I said NO!

I hope I am wrong...or else I would end up looking like a rich bi_ch/self centered American...LOL

[Kid Collins]

I knew Bones would and will continue to take a chunk of SV's ratings. Guaranteed!

It's just lucky that Fox didn't move Bones to Thursday nights in the beginning of the season. Then I know for sure SV's ratings would be even lower compared to seventh season and CW probaby wouldn't have renewed it for next season.

The only reason why SV's ratings held up is because they didn't have any real competition from Fox Network unlike last season when it was up against Are you Smarter than a 5th Grader?

They do now. And with March Madness here and spring break coming up I expect SV's ratings to go even lower.

[PokaPlaya]

The loss of 270,000 was after Power, i.e. 270,000 viewers who had watched Power, didn't come back for Requiem. So that can't be about KK leaving, she was still there. The conversion from analogue to digital television was delayed by Congress until June 12. But I will grant you the hiatus problem. That has plagued Smallville from the beginning. When they go two months without a new episode, the numbers have really crashed. However, when an audience feels tricked, they're slow to forgive and some never do.

Not to nitpick... but while it was delayed to june 12 there was a caveat that stations ready to transition could do so as many had already planned to and did not wish to lose money by delaying. Many broadcast stations have made the switch during the originally scheduled transition period (feb).

[batfinx]

I have friends who really aren't big fans of smallville. They dont have fan characters or couples. Watched the first episode of this season stopped cause it felt like a different show. Returned to Bride and watched every episode after that. I asked them did they watch the new episode 2 out of the 6 said yes. I said why cause lana left.

Anecdotal stories don't account for much since they always sound contrived. However clearly your friends had no effect on the ratings. No one can affect the ratings unless they are AC Nielsen families, i.e. have a "people meter" installed on their television by Nielsen Corp.


Some said the show isnt the same like it used to be. With Lana back it felt like the old smallville again. Now to many people are gone to have it feel the same.

There will always be a few people who'd like Smallville stuck in the past and not advance Clark to his Superman years, but since this season actually got some critical praise again and the ratings were better than the last 12 episodes that aired last year and Bloodline rated higher than Lara, which was in the first 8 episodes of last year, it seems more people are interested in moving forward than being stuck in the past. And considering the show's villain Lex Luthor was gone, that's pretty amazing.


My friend from Canada wants to know if Canada is included in the ratings....I said NO!

No, Canada does not count in AC Nielsen ratings for American network programming.


The only reason why SV's ratings held up is because they didn't have any real competition from Fox Network unlike last season when it was up against Are you Smarter than a 5th Grader?

Only two episodes got 5 million or higher in season 7, Bizarro and Cure. This was Bizarro's competition: "Survivor China gave CBS the lead at 8 p.m. with an 8.4/14. The season premiere of "Ugly Betty" delivered a 7.4/12 for ABC. An hour-long season opener for "My Name Is Earl," 5.3/9, put NBC in third. FOX took fourth with "Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader?" The CW got a 3.1/5 from the season premiere of "Smallville." Despite that competition, Bizarro drew 5.18 million viewers. Fifth Grader is clearly there.

Cure, which got a boost from Dean Cain being the guest star, faced even tougher competition from FOX, the American League Championship Series, which came in second that night to Survivor China.

Only those two episode out of the whole season last year reached 5 million, nothing else did including the introduction of Kara or Lana coming back in Fierce.

Let's take a look at this year. All of this season's episodes from Plastique to Bride were up against Survivor Gabon on CBS. So what did CBS put up against Legion? A CSI rerun. What about Bulletproof? An NCIS rerun. Power? A Criminal Minds rerun. Requiem? Reruns of the sitcoms The Big Bang Theory and How I Met Your Mother, which beat Smallville. So what did CBS put up against Infamous? The premiere of Survivor: Tocantins, of course! :lol: That even beat Bones, by the way.

Ah, for the old days when Smallville faced Joey, anyone remember that show? The O.C and Will & Grace, and UPN was a separate network from the WB. If WB couldn't beat anything else, it could at least beat the shows on UPN.


Not to nitpick... but while it was delayed to june 12 there was a caveat that stations ready to transition could do so as many had already planned to and did not wish to lose money by delaying. Many broadcast stations have made the switch during the originally scheduled transition period (feb).

I agree, I'm sure it had an effect too.

[Kid Collins]

Only two episodes got 5 million or higher in season 7, Bizarro and Cure. This was Bizarro's competition: "Survivor China gave CBS the lead at 8 p.m. with an 8.4/14. The season premiere of "Ugly Betty" delivered a 7.4/12 for ABC. An hour-long season opener for "My Name Is Earl," 5.3/9, put NBC in third. FOX took fourth with "Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader?" The CW got a 3.1/5 from the season premiere of "Smallville." Despite that competition, Bizarro drew 5.18 million viewers. Fifth Grader is clearly there.

Yeah, only two eps got over 5 million in season 7 but this season hasn't topped that rating yet.

If you compare Season 7 to Season 8 side by side, Season 7 still wins the ratings competition. And that's a fact. With stiffer competition.



This season from Odyssey to Bloodline these shows were going up against Kitchen Nightmares and Hole in the Wall opposite SV. Both shows did worst in the ratings than SV. Compare that to Fifth Grader which were getting over 10 million viewers each week last season. Only 2 eps had SV going up against Baseball playoffs....Toxic and Prey.

You made my point. Fifth Grader is much more of a ratings competition against SV than "Hole in the WAll" or Kitchen Nightmare, yet Season 7's ratings still out performed Season 8's.

Even with Fifth Grader getting 10 million range viewers, SV still did better in the ratings last season than this season. This season's first half competition was Hole in the Wall and Kitchen Nightmare's ratings are lower than SV's.

And as far as Bulletproof's ratings you forgot to mention that it was also up against a new Bones episode according to TVByNumbers.

Yeah, Power had repeats against it but it was also competing against American Idol which had 24.26 million viewers. You can't discount American Idol as a competition for SV. That's one of the reasons why Infamous was pushed back 2 weeks because CW didn't want it going up against AI which aired on 8:00 pm Thursdays two weeks prior to Infamous airing.

As far as Requiem it also went up against Bones new and not just Big Bang Theory repeat.



Only those two episode out of the whole season last year reached 5 million, nothing else did including the introduction of Kara or Lana coming back in Fierce.

So what? With 4.8 million viewers it still did 90% better than any ep from this season.

[Backstabbers_84]

Well Said KidCollins, we are only going to see Season 8 having better ratings then Season 7, is Season 8 consistently reaches over 4 million and close to 5 million for the remaining 7 episodes.

[oldblackmagick]

i think that people have noticed the more serial approach to the storytelling than they have in past years....makes you wanna know whats going to happen next ya know:)

[batfinx]

Yeah, only two eps got over 5 million in season 7 but this season hasn't topped that rating yet.

You haven't noticed that has been going on for years? The only time in the history of the show that a later season did better than an earlier season was Season 2 doing better than Season 1, which began with 8.4 million (yes, that's not a typo, the show used to get over 8 million viewers) and ended with 6.0 million viewers with its finale. So it lost over 2 million viewers from debut to finale. Season 2, however, brought the numbers back up. It began with 8.7 million and ended with 7.5 million. That season also had the highest rated episode of all time, Lineage, which got 9.4 million viewers. Unfortunately, after Season 2 every season dropped from there forward. Season 3 began with 6.8 million and ended with 5.9 million. Season 4 began with 6.01 million and ended with 5.5 million. Season 5 began with 5.9 million and ended with 4.9 million. Season 6 began with 4.96 million and ended with 4.14 million. Season 7 began with 5.18 million and ended with 3.85 million. Season 8 started with 4.34 million.

Other things you haven't taken into consideration were day changes and time changes. Smallville began on Tuesday at 9/8 central time and kept that day/time through second season, but moved to Wednesday an hour earlier, 8/7, beginning Season 3 and stayed there through season 4. Season 5 it moved to Thursday and was still on the WB. The following year it became the CW, the poorest, least watched network on Earth and that has been its fate ever since. If you're trying to find shipper light at the end of this tunnel, it's simply not there.


You made my point. Fifth Grader is much more of a ratings competition against SV than "Hole in the WAll" or Kitchen Nightmare, yet Season 7's ratings still out performed Season 8's.

I'm not sure how often I have to say this, but Season 6 did better than Season 7 and 5 did better than 6 and 4 did better than 5 and so on. If you're trying to translate this into shipper numbers, then Lana and Jason did better in season 4 than Clark and Lana in season 5, but they did better than Lex and Lana in season 6, but Lex and Lana did better than Clark and Lana in season 7 and 8 and Whitney and Lana did better than any of them :lol: Seriously, Power got 4.21, but Void, where Lana killed herself over and over got 4.24 million viewers. Does that mean more people would rather see Lana dead than back with Clark? No comment.


Yeah, Power had repeats against it but it was also competing against American Idol which had 24.26 million viewers. You can't discount American Idol as a competition for SV. That's one of the reasons why Infamous was pushed back 2 weeks because CW didn't want it going up against AI which aired on 8:00 pm Thursdays two weeks prior to Infamous airing.

Uh, Smallville used to face American Idol all the time back when Smallville got much more impressive numbers than it does today. AI didn't seem to have much crossover with Smallville viewers. Smallville used to even go up against "24" back in the day too.


As far as Requiem it also went up against Bones new and not just Big Bang Theory repeat

A rerun of The Big Bang Theory. Infamous went up against Bones and Survivor. You would acknowledge that's a little tougher competition given Survivor beat Bones, right?


So what? With 4.8 million viewers it still did 90% better than any ep from this season.

Are you talking about the 4.8 for Fierce? First, the highest rated episode this season was Bloodline with 4.46 million. You think 4.8 is 90% better than 4.46? Is that new math? :D Second, if you want to compare ratings from older seasons, then how about 4.88 million for Wither? Isn't that the episode where Lana and Lex got it on? Lana sure peeled Lex's armor off pretty fast. Sorry, but any shipper connection falls like a lead balloon.

[Trailmix]

It's a great show that still has it's core audience intact after 8 years. I think that's pretty good. Shows always decline in ratings as the years go by, it's just a fact of life. It's still the highest rated show on the CW, and I think Turbulence is going to bring back a lot of the viewers that stopped watching after Power.

[stenochick]

It's a great show that still has it's core audience intact after 8 years. I think that's pretty good. Shows always decline in ratings as the years go by, it's just a fact of life. It's still the highest rated show on the CW, and I think Turbulence is going to bring back a lot of the viewers that stopped watching after Power.

ITA. Analyzing the ratings can be a double-edged sword. One of the reasons for the decliing ratings was the switch to Thursday nights. Every network has traditionally put competitive shows on Thursday nights. The other blow to the ratings was when WB merged with UPN into the CW. The CW has less markets, so do the math.

Had Smallville been on a bigger network, it may have had better ratings, but it also may have been canceled years ago.

The CW and the Thursday time slot are both blessings and curses to Smallville when it comes to ratings, but I think ratings are over-rated (no pun intended) in this age of I-tunes, DVDs, and TV on the internet.

[Trailmix]

Exactly. And I fully believe that if they keep on showing that amazing trailer for Turbulence regularly, we'll get over 4 million and possibly 5. I definitely predict at least 6 million for the finale.

[bartez]

tvbythenumbers didn't include smallville this week in L&7 :/

sorry my mistake it's not that week :D

[bizzaroboy9]

here's the live+7 i think. it's for the week of march 9 to 15
here is it! the bold is the live + 7 number annd the undelined is the overnight # i think.
SMALLVILLE CW 4,216 3,674 3,191 483 1,025 24.3% 47.1%

[smallvillerocks45]

That's wonderful news bizzaroboy9. Considering the obstacles placed against the episode, I am so happy to see the show broke 4million in Live+7 ratings!

Thank you for the update. :)

[SparkleforSmallville]

Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.16mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil.

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil. & Live+7= 4.89 mil.

#12 Bulletproof ~ *3.85 mil. & Live+7= 4.54 mil.

#13 Power ~ *4.21 mil. & Live+7= 4.94 mil.

#14 Requiem ~ *3.93 mil. & Live+7= 4.60 mil.

#15 Infamous ~ *3.57 mil. & Live+7= 4.22 mil.

#16 Turbulence ~ *3.49 mil.

#17 Hex ~ *3.80 mil.


Still picking up over 1 million viewers, that's good! Smallville was #13 in most %'s

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/03/30/american-idol-has-most-dvr-viewers-the-office-has-greatest-share-of-viewing-by-dvr-2/15506#more-15506

[marcella]

More than 4 million is great:D

[Luiz Fernando]

Greatest % Of DVR Viewing for Broadcast TV Shows:<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=599 border=0><!--StartFragment--><COLGROUP><COL width=33></COL><COL width=144></COL><COL width=32></COL><COL width=52></COL><COL width=60></COL><COL width=54></COL><COL width=57></COL><COL width=56></COL><COL width=54></COL><COL width=65></COL>
<TBODY></TBODY><TBODY></TBODY><TBODY></TBODY><TBODY><TR height=39><TD class=xl24 width=33 height=39>Rank</TD><TD class=xl24 width=144>Programs</TD><TD class=xl24 width=32>Net</TD><TD class=xl28 style="TEXT-ALIGN: right" width=52>Persons Live+7 (000s)</TD><TD class=xl28 style="TEXT-ALIGN: right" width=60>Persons Live+SD (000s)</TD><TD class=xl28 style="TEXT-ALIGN: right" width=54>Persons Live (000s)</TD><TD class=xl28 style="TEXT-ALIGN: right" width=57>Same Day DVR Viewers (000s)</TD><TD class=xl28 style="TEXT-ALIGN: right" width=56>DVR Viewers (000s)</TD><TD class=xl25 style="TEXT-ALIGN: right" width=54>% of All Viewing By DVR</TD><TD class=xl24 style="TEXT-ALIGN: right" width=65>% of DVR Viewing On Airdate</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>1</TD><TD class=xl34>OFFICE</TD><TD class=xl34>NBC</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 9,365</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 7,625</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 5,636</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,989</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 3,729</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>39.8%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>53.3%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>2</TD><TD class=xl34>HEROES</TD><TD class=xl34>NBC</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 8,611</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 6,706</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 5,450</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,256</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 3,161</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>36.7%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>39.7%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>3</TD><TD class=xl34>TERMINATOR: SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES</TD><TD class=xl34>FOX</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 4,328</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 3,390</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 2,915</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 475</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,413</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>32.6%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>33.6%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>4</TD><TD class=xl34>30 ROCK</TD><TD class=xl34>NBC</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 7,720</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 6,428</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 5,388</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,040</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 2,332</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>30.2%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>44.6%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>5</TD><TD class=xl34>DOLLHOUSE</TD><TD class=xl34>FOX</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 5,280</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 4,245</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 3,756</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 489</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,524</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>28.9%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>32.1%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>6</TD><TD class=xl34>HOUSE</TD><TD class=xl34>FOX</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 14,557</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 12,422</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 10,445</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,977</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 4,112</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>28.2%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>48.1%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>7</TD><TD class=xl34>CHUCK</TD><TD class=xl34>NBC</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 6,859</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 5,819</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 4,938</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 881</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,921</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>28.0%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>45.9%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>8</TD><TD class=xl34>GREY’S ANATOMY</TD><TD class=xl34>ABC</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 16,170</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 13,730</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 11,915</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,815</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 4,255</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>26.3%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>42.7%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>9</TD><TD class=xl34>LIFE</TD><TD class=xl34>NBC</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 6,197</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 5,241</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 4,588</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 653</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,609</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>26.0%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>40.6%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>10</TD><TD class=xl34>24</TD><TD class=xl34>FOX</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 13,039</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 11,412</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 9,696</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,716</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 3,343</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>25.6%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>51.3%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>11</TD><TD class=xl34>SUPERNATURAL</TD><TD class=xl34>CW</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 3,474</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 2,805</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 2,586</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 219</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 888</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>25.6%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>24.7%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>12</TD><TD class=xl34>REAPER</TD><TD class=xl34>CW</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 2,602</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 2,189</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,938</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 251</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 664</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>25.5%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>37.8%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>13</TD><TD class=xl34>SMALLVILLE</TD><TD class=xl34>CW</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 4,216</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 3,674</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 3,191</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 483</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,025</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>24.3%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>47.1%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>14</TD><TD class=xl34>AMERICA’S TOP MODEL - 6</TD><TD class=xl34>CW</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 5,014</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 4,457</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 3,801</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 656</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,213</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>24.2%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>54.1%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>15</TD><TD class=xl34>LIFE ON MARS</TD><TD class=xl34>ABC</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 5,476</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 4,508</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 4,173</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 335</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,303</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>23.8%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>25.7%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>16</TD><TD class=xl34>FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS</TD><TD class=xl34>NBC</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 4,637</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 4,015</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 3,551</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 464</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,086</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>23.4%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>42.7%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>17</TD><TD class=xl34>MEDIUM</TD><TD class=xl34>NBC</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 8,488</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 7,177</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 6,531</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 646</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,957</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>23.1%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>33.0%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>18</TD><TD class=xl34>BONES</TD><TD class=xl34>FOX</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 11,156</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 9,693</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 8,608</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,085</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 2,548</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>22.8%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>42.6%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>19</TD><TD class=xl34>HELL’S KITCHEN</TD><TD class=xl34>FOX</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 8,650</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 7,748</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 6,728</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,020</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 1,922</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>22.2%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>53.1%</TD></TR><TR height=16><TD class=xl26 height=16>20</TD><TD class=xl34>PRIVATE PRACTICE</TD><TD class=xl34>ABC</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 10,248</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 8,716</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 8,042</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 674</TD><TD class=xl28 align=right> 2,206</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>21.5%</TD><TD class=xl27 align=right>30.6%</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>