Confused about the paitings?

[Seyee]

I am too. I don't understand the point of the earlier paintings of matt showing a lot of destruction and him wired up with explosives. I thought all paintings were suppose to come true unless there is a big hinder (usually shown by time-travelers). Because technically the bomb should of still gone out I mean what events could of changed that didn't happened in another time-line? It doesn't even make sense if it's related to Rebel because he did stop the bomb for a few seconds but it didn't explain the change of fate of the paintings. I'm thinking the writers screwed that part up, they should of explain a little more but really cut that scene down very shortly.

[Level5]

That little bomb Matt was wearing wouldn't of done that explosion anyways. So they screwed it up from the start.

Unless this isn't the bomb?

[Seyee]

OH yeah forgot to mention that, unless were suppose to assume there were more C4 along the lines other than what was on Matt. But I thought Matt literally said he was the reason in which a lot of people going to die, and he was the problem why the painting is like that.

[CompanyMan]

I wonder if the bomb going off is still a future event. The bomb Danko put on Matt looks nothing like what Matt painted. So it may have been one of two things, that Danko got an idea from seeing the painting, or that Danko tried to force the painting to come true too early.

[Level5]

That explosion could only be caused by a nuclear bomb, or by Sylar (If Sylar still has that power?) Peter no longer has it, so Sylar is the only one that could do it.

[Seyee]

Yeah good point Level 5. Nah if they bring back Sylar with Ted power again or Peter they would really screw up the story. They already verbally said that Sylar lost all his old powers except TK and his original power. CompanyMan might be on to something, I totally forgot Danko saw the picture. But still again how is that going to change the fate of the present time, usually the only way we saw changing the fate of paintings were comming from Time-travelers, and even then they had a hard time changing it. Because we could say that Daneko is suppose to see the paintings in another time-line and still the bomb went off, and we see a lot of these examples like Daphne getting shot still in the arm even when Matt drew the painting. Or how HRG still got shot in the eye, etc.

[CompanyMan]

I don't recall seeing a painting by Matt drawing an explosion. He painted himself (presumably) wearing several sticks of dynamite, a painting of a single stick of dynamite, a painting of four or five sticks of dynamite, and a painting (on the floor) of Washington burning. But no explosion. So I'm lost as to what is going on.

[Level5]

That painting on the floor was a nuclear explosion. Unless, I'm remembering it wrong.

And in Villains, future Sylar had Ted's power and blow up that entire city. So I don't know if he got it back or he still had it. Unless that dream was never going happen, because I'm lost to where that storyline went.

[Seyee]

Burning, exploding. Tomoto , Tomato!. That's what Level5 and I were talking about when we meant explosion. Usually explosions = fire and there were lots of fire that one painting on the floor due to an explosion?

[CompanyMan]

But that's my point. How does the fire get started? I have been assuming all along that the fire is Building 26 burning up. I'll have to watch that episode again and look at the painting on the floor a bit better, I guess. But in any event, my memory is that there is a fire, not an explosion painted on the floor. It's definitely not a nuclear explosion. That would look totally different than a fire.

[Level5]

There is fire, but in the background there is a nuclear Explosion (http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/115304/screenshots/vlcsnap-2634904.png). I believe that's a nuclear explosion, but it might just be fire.

[CompanyMan]

Well, you've go me there. I didn't see that. I'll have to look again. But in any event, wouldn't a nuclear explosion wipe out all the gov't buildings? They are still there.

[Level5]

Yeah, it would, I don't know, maybe they just kept them in there to show you where it is.

[CompanyMan]

I thought they were sticks of dynamite, but after checking Heroes Wiki, they say it was pipe bombs. And they also say that the painting on the floor appears to be a nuclear explosion. But no known person has that ability. So it could be an explosion of the pipe bombs/dynamite going off. It would pack a pretty good punch if enough of them are used. But we'll have to see whether the bombs Danko put on Matt was the fulfillment of the paintings or not. I don't think it is.

[Level5]

There is no way that a pipe bomb could do that. It has to be Sylar.

[CompanyMan]

Maybe so, but as of now Sylar no longer has that ability, as Seyee pointed out in post #6. I also remember reading an interview with a writer (or someone connected to writing/producing) that Sylar lost all his powers except his original power (knows how things work) and TK when he was given the Shanti virus. All the other powers he now has have been from after he injected himself with the anti-dote.

[Seyee]

I really hope it's not Sylar, that would really ruin it for me. Unless they show him getting another power that is similar to Ted through someone else than that would be okay but I doubt it. It would go against everything they've been trying to fix and imply by saying it verbally when people asked direct questions to the writers about confusing topics. If they are going to make Sylar blow up things they might as well just suddenly bring out the Hiro will get his power back at random and same goes to Peter. Forget the rules lol.

[Level5]

But, when Matt was dreaming the future (or was that Peter in the future?) he had that power. But that was in the plot hole filled Villains.

[Seyee]

YUP I mentioned about that too. And it was Both actually Matt dreamt that future and Peter went into that future practically the same time. It's probably a bad plot hole but you really can't confirm that Sylar didn't absorb another TED ability and Precog during all those time, especially when a lot of people have powers now. But having Present Peter saying to paint the future so random after he knew he lost his power well I'm assuming he knew because later when he fought Sylar he said he's weak now. It's just so hard to believe he would get two same powers, Ted ability and Precog so soon.

You know what I would like to see since that series was about Heroes becoming villians and villians becoming heroes. It would of been awesome having a Future Sylar somehow taking time maniuplation from Hiro or from someone who got that power synthetically and was the one who Shot Present Nathan, than having Future Scar Peter lol. I would of like that story arc and would of been very interesting, ONLY if he actually really turned good like in that future.

[CompanyMan]

It was "present Peter" in the future who met up with future Sylar and future Sylar exploded. Yes, it was in the last volume, "Villians". But that future was changed when Peter destroyed Pinehurst. And there is still the interview in which it was stated that Sylar no longer has any of his old abilities except two of them

[Level5]

Maybe he got them from Peter, since Sylar was nice in that future, and Peter still had all of his powers. Sylar could have just taken them all through empathy.

And I didn't know Sylar lost all of his powers. Was that in one of the online web comics? And what's up with all of this power restarting? It's just annoying.

[CompanyMan]

Not that I know of. Just what was stated in the interview. But then and again, writers take liberties all the time.

[targis]

It was "present Peter" in the future who met up with future Sylar and future Sylar exploded. Yes, it was in the last volume, "Villians". But that future was changed when Peter destroyed Pinehurst. And there is still the interview in which it was stated that Sylar no longer has any of his old abilities except two of them

Did they say why he kept tk?

[CompanyMan]

I don't remember.

[Level5]

Was it ever made known that Sylar lost all of his powers on the show? Or was that something they said behind the scenes? Because I seriously don't remember him losing his powers.

[CompanyMan]

Behind the scenes.

I'm trying to find the interview. Might take a while...

[targis]

I know Sylar lost his powers because of the virus awhile back. But once he was cured from the virus shouldn't he had been able to use the powers he had before.

I mean powers don't really transfer to him like they do for Peter. He looks at the brain and learns how it works. So I don't think that he forgot how they worked especialy once he got his IA back. Maybee thats how he kept TK. I remember he had to strugle with it at first to get it to work.

[Seyee]

This is straight from Heroes wiki.

"Some have wondered why all of Sylar's abilities except telekinesis were lost after he was infected with the Shanti virus. Writers Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite said in a question and answer session that the telekinetic power remained because it is related to the guilt Sylar felt for killing Brian Davis. "Brian was Sylar's first kill and his power is connected to emotional empathy."


Its hard to believe the writers sometimes but since the show is mainly sticking with this case and haven't showed any other old abilities like freezing I think it's pretty final that Sylar lost most of his old abilities beside TK and his original power. The writers during those interview do make mistakes though like they first said Peter can only control one power at a time regardless how it seem but no matter how you look at it he can control more than one power a time during the show in several occasions.

P.S. If your interested in seeing all the other interview statements you can go to heroes wiki. Pick a character name and towards the bottom I think under Trivia they usually have things outside the show like facts about the character that we wouldn't know from the TV show. These trivia are supposedly accurate since most of them came from the writers themselves but it's weird how you might find a few not sticking with the tv show, probably because too many writers weren't on the same page when they did the episodes. OOPS its' actually under Notes which is above Trivia. But Trivia is also good to look at.

[Level5]

I can't believe they did that behind the scenes. I mean if I didn't know, you can only wonder how many other people out there are just flat out confused.

And it doesn't make sense how he can lose his abilities like that. Because like targis said, they're something he learned, not something in his DNA or whatever. To lose all of those powers, he would have to lose his main ability.

[Seyee]

I can't believe they did that behind the scenes. I mean if I didn't know, you can only wonder how many other people out there are just flat out confused.

And it doesn't make sense how he can lose his abilities like that. Because like targis said, they're something he learned, not something in his DNA or whatever. To lose all of those powers, he would have to lose his main ability.

Yeah.. well you gotta expect they had to explain it somewhere lol since they have a habit of missing out scenes or quickly speed things up, where the viewers wouldn't normally catch.

Actually I did thought that Sylar abilities and Peter too would still work even if something went wrong at first. I thought that Sylar learns the ability and Peter remembers the sensation of the user of an ability and I always thought Claire ability will still work under the Hatian power but I think it's pretty clear now.... That all the powers has to come from the brain at some point, and the eclipse, the hatian they all block the brain's core source of how the power works. So even if Peter, Sylar powers were like learning and feeling it all comes down to the brain being able to produce that power. Well if you look at Sylar it looks like he learns the power but then changes his chemistry so he's no different from a normal person with an ability. So he shouldn't be able to use his powers if there is a shanti virus or eclipse or the hatian.

Although both Claire and Peter were immune to the shanti virus due to cellular regeneration so it doesnt' take away their ability/abilities.

[Level5]

I honestly don't get the whole eclipse thing. If they're going to go into the whole shadows block powers thing, then shouldn't all shadows block their powers. Because that's all it is, unless I've missed something about eclipses. Maybe their like Superman and get their powers from the yellow sun? But, I don't read all of the behind the scenes stuff, so I might just be totally lost.

And I thought Sylar just had to see how an ability worked, then he could use it? Peter they actually showed the effects of absorbing all of those powers in season one. I think, I might remember Mohinder saying something about Sylar, and all of the modifications to his DNA was messing with his head, unless that was somebody else. So you might be right.

[Seyee]

I honestly don't get the whole eclipse thing. If they're going to go into the whole shadows block powers thing, then shouldn't all shadows block their powers. Because that's all it is, unless I've missed something about eclipses. Maybe their like Superman and get their powers from the yellow sun? But, I don't read all of the behind the scenes stuff, so I might just be totally lost.

And I thought Sylar just had to see how an ability worked, then he could use it? Peter they actually showed the effects of absorbing all of those powers in season one. I think, I might remember Mohinder saying something about Sylar, and all of the modifications to his DNA was messing with his head, unless that was somebody else. So you might be right.

HRG was the one who said that when he first captures Sylar in season 1. Hrmm yeah I didn't like the eclipse thing too. My idea was there had to be more than one particular eclipse within the 400 years adam lived. Either way it should of took his power and killed him. Unless we were suppose to think that each eclipse is different, sometimes take powers away, sometimes it fluctuates, sometimes it gives people power like in the first episode. Practically all the main characters powers developed during the first episode/first eclipse we saw. Then again does that mean if the Hatian comes in contact with Adam does that take away Adam's life, it technically should. It was complete BULL when Adam said that if they could of killed him they would have, when there are so many ways to kill Adam for example they could of use the vortex guy to kill Adam.

Anyways not comming up with great ideas why eclipse have a special thing with evolving people or taking away an ability. Maybe depending on the eclipse like how much it takes up the sun or how it covers it may depend on what happens to the evolve people. I think the best idea I can come up with since without the sun there is no life and the sun was the beginning of life and kept things to evolve. The sun emits radiation and that usually means mutations or evolution. Perhaps during certain eclipses not sure how many it emits some type of thing that makes certain people to react.

[Level5]

Yeah, they should call them eclipsed humans not evolved humans. Because the eclipse has the power to take their powers away or give them back.

And the sun going down probably has the same effect has an eclipse. It's the shadow of the earth instead of the moon, is there a difference?

And it was never really made clear in the first season how the eclipse affected them, was it?

[Seyee]

Nope I don't remember in particular. I think they might of discussed it a little with Arthur + Mo. I think Mo first found interest in the eclipse that was comming and either he said it or the "preview of the show" said that the eclipse brought them together or something. Anyway it might have somethign to do with radiation that's my guess. Your not suppose to look at an eclipse directly too so who knows all the details, the writers could help us with this lol. Someone should ask in an interview haha.

[Level5]

Yeah, I think they kinda made this all up in season three. Since it was never stated directly in any of the other seasons how the eclipse affected them.

And I too wish the writers would do a better job explaining stuff. Who do they think they're dealing with here? A bunch of mindless viewers? I think most of the people who still watch this show are the fans. And they need to make things make sense, or else your have people like me bringing up questions.

But it seems like this is how this show is done anymore. Right after season one they just started throwing plot holes everywhere. And the one around Sylar's power loss is the size of the Grand Canyon. Unless you read all of the interviews and comics.

[pisanin89]

Ok the that future does not exist lol. One way to tell is that knox is dead and he is not comming back. So that future no longer exists

[oldblackmagick]

Only thing i have to say is doesn't nuke/luke have an early form of ted's power. right now he uses micro waves to heat things up but it wouldn't take much for it to turn into nuclear radiation waves would it. could Luke be coming back or did sylar take that power from luke with his empathic abilities and just doesn't know it yet.

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Was it ever made known that Sylar lost all of his powers on the show? Or was that something they said behind the scenes? Because I seriously don't remember him losing his powers.

when he is talking to mohinder in powerless maya asks him if he was injected with the same virus as nikki cause he lost his powers too. so my source is Maya but sylar's look told you it was true.

[CompanyMan]

Only thing i have to say is doesn't nuke/luke have an early form of ted's power. right now he uses micro waves to heat things up but it wouldn't take much for it to turn into nuclear radiation waves would it. could Luke be coming back or did sylar take that power from luke with his empathic abilities and just doesn't know it yet.

Sylar never does anything without knowing what he is doing. And he never quite showed any empathy during the encounter with Luke so I doubt he took the power passively. I'm also getting the idea that he has somewhat learned to control his hunger and only takes powers that he can only use. Why take a power if you don't need it?

[oldblackmagick]

Sylar never does anything without knowing what he is doing. And he never quite showed any empathy during the encounter with Luke so I doubt he took the power passively. I'm also getting the idea that he has somewhat learned to control his hunger and only takes powers that he can only use. Why take a power if you don't need it?

But that's the thing. he was connecting with luke and could understand and empathize with luke and his story. Now i know sylar usually knows what he is doing but he was in a heightened emotional state finding out about his mother's death and all. And besides he may know exactly what he did by absorbing luke's power. Maybe that was when he finally got rid of him. He does seem to be more thoughtful about which lives he is going to take. He isn't looking for a fight...or at least he is looking for the right fight IMO

[Yoshua]

Why are you assuming that the 2 paintings are linked events?

How many episodes are left? They havent averted any major disasters.


Just because Parkman had a bomb on his chest, does not mean that was what caused the explosion in DC.

[oldblackmagick]

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Why are you assuming that the 2 paintings are linked events?

How many episodes are left? They havent averted any major disasters.


Just because Parkman had a bomb on his chest, does not mean that was what caused the explosion in DC.

^^^That's what I am saying. I think that the hunter tried to force a painting to come true but just like most of the painting can't be avoided...they can't be forced either. Everything in its own time and way. Thats why i think that the explosion matt painted has something to do with Nuke!Luke

[Seyee]

It just seem like it was because right after Matt painted himself strapped up with bombs he looked below him and said NO I don't want this as if it's something he'll do. Actually nevermind I take that back looks like you guys are right.