View Full Version : The Only Option?
snowknuckes
02-05-2009, 09:47 PM
So I just got done watching this episode and once again I couldn't help but indulge in an analysis of all the plot holes. I really wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry at the whole Lana situation, really. Sure, it's sad that Clark can't ever be with Lana, but some of these situations were just silly. I do not think TPTB needed to come up with such a lofty scheme to end Clana.
I told my friend this and he disagreed, he said it was worthy of tears. I would agree, but seriously, I am certain Clark and Lana could have reacted in numerous different ways to dispel the bomb. In order to prove this to my friend I am comprising a list of possible alternatives to the situation on the roof. I'm saying if you put yourself in Clark (or Lana's) shoes, what would you have done? Surely there had to be another option than for Clark to lose the love of his life over a silly bomb. There's always another way. (At least that's what they told us in legion)
1. Clark could have ripped the section of the roof where the bomb was and super sped it to a desolate area.
2. They could have evacuated the Daily Planet.
3. Clark could have blown it away.
4. He could have used heat vision to turn the green k into black k, then absorbed the explosion.
5. Super speed to home depot, grab some lead paint, and chuck that thing up up and away.
5. I would have called Bart and got him to move it.
Feel free to add.
He could have had Lana tie a cable around it and then flung it into space like a hammer throw.
tippership commander
02-05-2009, 09:52 PM
Incorrect.
1. The bomb had Kryptonite in it/as a part of it.
2. Not enough time. Think Lex would be that merciful?
3. Possible but unlikely - debris would fall and injure innocent people.
4. Most likely and one I thought of as well.
5. Goofy and unlikely.
6. Not enough time.
er, try again
1. the WHOLE floor itself, as in roof, ...he'd be farther than he was when he was staring at it
2. Wrong, their superspeed...did you forget how fast they move? time STOPS to them..
3. No, go under it. have lana punch a small hle in floor under it, then SUPER BREATH, HARD.....it's int o space..
4. Kara showed you can puhs away kryptonite WITHOUT heating it up in a way that makes it black K, remember!!!!!!!!!!!
5. Technically he HAS the speed to d oit, LOL
6. ...he cold have....theres a ton of ways to do this
susangail
02-05-2009, 10:03 PM
I thought of the heat vision trick immediately. Why didn't Clark?
superspider02
02-05-2009, 10:08 PM
yea i agree their could have been a few other ways they could have handled the kryptonite bomb. The heating it up to turn it into black k would have been an easy option.
snowknuckes
02-05-2009, 10:14 PM
I've also heard someone say he could have used heat vision to melt the wiring on the bomb.
tippership commander
02-05-2009, 10:17 PM
You're wrong, Tipperspeed.. and yuck to the grammar.
Ok, first, each number was responding to the corresponding numbers in the OP, so let me make it much more simplier for you:
1. The bomb had Kryptonite in it/as a part of it. Therefore, Clark couldn't have gone near it, superspeed or not.
2. Not enough time. Think Lex would be that merciful?; In response to you, Tipperspeed, time doesn't stand still at superspeed. Bart is faster than Clark and Lex's camera still caught him. If all time came to a stop, the camera wouldn't have been able to catch Bart's blur. Oh, and don't forget Clark himself was cuaght on camera as a blur this season. So, please think before posting nonsense.
3. Possible but unlikely - debris would fall and injure innocent people. Again, in response to you, Tipperspeed, not enough time. Lex was there via a remote signal. And it'd still cause debris. As it goes up, the bomb would get exceptional hot at the speed(s) it'd need to exit the atmosphere, thus blowing up and raining down the debris.
4. Most likely and one I thought of as well. Response to Tipperspeed: That kryptonite, if you're talking about when she blew it up in the 'Weathergirls' episode of Season 7, was a meteorite. That's different since it has a rock component. The kryptonite here appeared to be in a liquid form.
5. Goofy and unlikely. Response to Tipperspeed: Again, unlikely. Not enough time.
6. Not enough time and Bart probably wouldn't have the strength. Response to Tipperspeed: I disagree. The bomb looked to easily way well over 100lbs. I see no way for Bart to carry it, at superspeeds or even a regular speed, non-stop down through the DP building before it explodes. Again, no time.
Please think before contradicitng someone else. You want to be pro-Clark and that's fine. Just, make valid points when you do.
er, it's tippership
tipperspeed???????
forgive my typing style
1.you don't think he could HV aroung the floor under the bomb, with a little bit bigger tha nthe rest, then picked it up, and chucked it? trust me, there's WAY more than one way to skin a cat
2. i never directly stated it STOPS to them. By the way, the Supersped in Artic is sufficent, where even electrons are stopped.
Or the time when the clark slowly outraces PHOTONS.....
didnt lionel describe the supersped as being faster than the speed of light? ;)
i could name superman feats that easily show his speed being enough, but, times like artic showed such speed ,that it's enough, EASILY....
yes, Bart was caught...that isn't relevant, but, i wouldn't touch it in any case because of SV physics.
3. With enough Force, th momentum would be more than enough. the Debri would all go into space. Trust me, even if it broke up, if you send a powerful enough wind at it, and really get it going, it won't matter. If it blew up, the momentum would still apply. And, when that happens, clark can widen his heat vision(like he did before once), and keep any populated areas from getting debris, because it'd be burned up.
4. True, but this isn't just a piece or kryptonite. anyway, target a piece that's nto made of kryptonite.
5. Depends on speed. Not like he'd do it if he could, though. Yes, it's unlikely.
6. Remember the FLash's feats...he could dismantle it during superspeed mode, or literally, slip a wide flat metal beam near it ,allowign clark to quickly fling it away, etc. I meant, that there's more possibilitities.
I am prepared to back up all of that. Sorry at my reluctance not to elaborate more heavily, but, it's allright. And, where there's a will, there's a way. Furthermore, these aren't too far off, enough that they wouldn't work - some of it depends, and some is unlikely(lead paint), but.....
But, i have thought on the issue:
Jack-El49
02-05-2009, 10:17 PM
I thought of the heat vision trick immediately. Why didn't Clark?
Because whenever Lana is around, Clark is dumbed down.
I've also heard someone say he could have used heat vision to melt the wiring on the bomb.
And the camera that Lex was using to watch them.
There are other ways as well - they just didn't fit into the neat box constructed by the writers to keep Clark and Lana separated.
dru-zod2501
02-05-2009, 10:22 PM
If they had turned the green K to black K how would that have solved the problem?
Say Lana absorbs it, then gets split into her good and evil doppelgangers, or being around Clark splits him into Clark and Kal, or just being in the open splits everyone she comes in contact with into doppelgangers?
Sunny8
02-05-2009, 11:13 PM
Sure, it's sad that Clark can't ever be with Lana, but some of these situations were just silly. I do not think TPTB needed to come up with such a lofty scheme to end Clana.
I'm sorry but I just did not think it was sad. It was stupid. I wasn't feeling anything. And really if they were that determined to be together I think they could have found another way also. Boy are they lazy. Or maybe they were just tired of all this Clana stuff too.
NinaDavis
02-05-2009, 11:54 PM
Say Lana absorbs it, then gets split into her good and evil doppelgangers...
Please no!! One is enough!!
the highlander
02-06-2009, 12:00 AM
If clark used heat vision he could have been blinded like it happened once before.
Superman's_Wife
02-06-2009, 06:56 AM
Yes, Kristin Kreuk will not be in any more episodes but the producers didn't have to leave her last moments like this. Clark could have saved her, but he didn't. So my question is, did Clark Kent even *try* to save Lana Lang?
This episode coming out so freshly from Legion makes the whole ending laughable. The situation between Clark and Lana was not impossible to mend if Clark really wanted to. He had options. When Chloe's life was at stake, nothing was impossible for Clark, even when a group of Legionnaires were telling him otherwise. In last night's episode on the other hand, Clark gave up very easily.
Off the bat, the first thing I thought of was Jor-El. Clark has gone to Jor-El for countless things. He's done it to save Lana's life and he's done it to save Chloe's life. However, he didn't even consider it to save the life of their supposed love? How is that even believable? When someone is truly in love with you they will do *everything* in their power to not let the love that they feel die for you.
Clark could have also used the Legion ring to fix things. Most of us feel that he may end up using this in the future, yet he didn't even *consider* using it here? There was no attempt to even try to salvage this relationship. So how can I ever truly believe that this arc was genuine? Sure Clark Kent kissed and slept with Lana Lang but how can these scenes be taken seriously when Clark gave up on Lana so easily??
In the comics, Superman's wife has been in similar situations, where either she is completely gone, vanished (See Comic, Superman: For Tomorrow) or she is in another kind of situation that may separate her from Clark forever. And Clark never gives up! In the comics Lois and Clark have also been in situations where there seems to be no escape, no alternative, and yet Clark *always* finds a way to salvage his wife and the love that they share. When Lois Lane is at stake, losing her is *never* an option for Clark Kent.
Here in Smallville, at the first sign of trouble after finally (according to Lana anyway) being true equals, after finally reuniting, the world throws them one more obstacle and they both give up. And this for Clark Kent, at least is very out of character. He never gives up. He moves earth and heaven for the people he loves.
So my question is, did Clark Kent even *try* to save Lana Lang? I mean, seriously, did the man move earth and heaven (as he has done in the comics for his wife) here on Smallville for Lana Lang?
In the end, isn't that the most telling of all? We can all theorize about a possible cure for Lana and about a possible continuation to the Lana and Clark romance, but will either of them even bother?
Lana Lang is a superhero now, she's not in the comics but she is here in Smalllville. Yes, this whole thing was a light switch moment. One moment Lana Lang is a thief and bordering on psychotic and the next she is Mother Teresa, but that's the story web they've decided to weave. So Lana seems to have found something she loves even more than Clark Kent. She wants to save the world and she wants to be Superman. For her there doesn't seem to be much room for Clark in her life.
As for Clark, he may love her but at her side she quite literally sucks the life out of him. And not just because of the kryptonite now in her body, but every time she is with him, he seems to forget how to be Superman. By her side he cannot even save the world! He cannot even save their relationship! The minute she is gone, Clark is Superman again. He can save the world, he can save his best friend.
So is there really room for Lana in Clark's life in the future?
Not if he will ever become Superman.
tbird4u
02-06-2009, 07:03 AM
Clark did NOT try to save lana, he said he was going to find a way to be together but can someone please tell me when he tried? Lana is the only one who tried anything and the only thing she did was call dr. grohl!
DGirlLois4Clark
02-06-2009, 07:05 AM
Because he finally realised been with Lana is poisonous and didnt want to bother looking for a cure himself.
Clana was a physical thing and if they cant have sex, whats the point. So Clark chose to pretend to be all heartbroken and 'in pain' so Lana can leave. Im sure he will celebrate her departure in Infamous.
I "THINK" what was trying to be conveyed here was the breakup of his first love. For those of us that have gone thru it and moved on - we know how we never forget the first - and hopefully we remember them fondly.
While I was not a fan of Lana - thought Kristen was (is) great tho - it seemed only "fitting" that Superman's breakup with his first love be VERY traumatic - guess what - it was -
Now it's time for Clark to move on - in this venue anyway.
Probably - if TPTB want to show some kind of "respect" and still have Clois - Infamous should be set a few months into the future.
Just MHO
Peace
Cage
Superman's_Wife
02-06-2009, 07:19 AM
Because he finally realised been with Lana is poisonous and didnt want to bother looking for a cure himself.
Clana was a physical thing and if they cant have sex, whats the point. So Clark chose to pretend to be all heartbroken and 'in pain' so Lana can leave. Im sure he will celebrate her departure in Infamous.
This is why last night's episode was an embarrasment for me as a Superman/Clark Kent fan. The person who I saw last night was not the man-of-steel that I have grown up reading about in the comics. I have never known Clark Kent to literally give up on anyone that he cares about.
This whole Lana Lang and Clark Kent reunion has felt so disingenuous and so superficial. I may not be a huge Lana Lang fan, but I don't hate the woman. I have grown to partially like her through the comics and through other incarnations I have seen on the big and small screen. However, what I saw last night just left me shaking my head.
I feel embarrassed for *all* Smallville viewers because here we have Superman-to-be being so un-Superman! Clark Kent literally put the last nail in the coffin when he let Lana Lang leave. Of course that is what many of us wanted, but it was just such an OOC moment.
Everything about last night was just that, out of character! Lana Lang was Superman and Clark Kent was the damsel in distress that couldn't do anything to save the world or Lana herself.
If PS3 is out there, I would love to ask: What exactly where you thinking when you wrote this story arc? Yes you wanted to give the young lady, Miss Kreuk, a happy ending and heroic send-off to a character that she has worked to develop for 8 years, but what you ended up writing isn't believable by any scope of the imagination.
If this was a fanfic I was reading, I would not only classify it as AU (alternate universe, because Lana a superhero??) but I would also tell the writer that it was OOC and to revise it.
At the end of the day what is the most pathetic thing about this whole arc is that in the upcoming weeks all of this will be forgotten and swept under the rug. I doubt that we'll ever hear the words Lana Lang in Smallville. It will be as though this arc didn't exist, it never happened. The only problem is that although the characters and PS3 will forget about it, many of us fans cannot forget it.
I don't see how anyone, especially real Lana Lang fans, could be happy with such an ending for their character. The woman I saw last night did not resemble Lana Lang, at all. She is not a woman I would be proud of looking up to. Her intentions of saving the world were noble, but at what cost? And I'm not just speaking about the loss of her relationship with Clark Kent, I'm speaking about her humanity that was essentially lost in this episode. She has set up this theory that a real person cannot do any good unless she has superpowers!
People, Ms. Lang, save the world every single day without being Superman! Shame on you for allowing yourself to believe such a thing.
Lana Lang left this series like many people have prophesied: a victim. Only this time she was only a victim of *herself* and of her warped notions of grandeur. Will Lana Lang ever be saved? I doubt it. Not now, anyway, when she has become this larger than life...thing, I can't even say person anymore.
So bravo PS3 for ruining so many DC characters with this story arc!
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Krypton935
02-06-2009, 07:21 AM
there was no hope for her the suit was DESIGNED to absorb it grhol said it couldn't be reversed And what was clark supposed to do grab her and take her to the FOS he cant touch her she left and he's powerless around her so he couldn't force her to do anything. Lana left on her own will and she is gone (yay) but it is OVER ok???
RED_SUN
02-06-2009, 07:25 AM
Clark said he was prepared to still have her in his life and he wouldnt give up it was Lana who knew she had to walk away to let him become the man he is going to be.
Superman's_Wife
02-06-2009, 07:28 AM
there was no hope for her the suit was DESIGNED to absorb it grhol said it couldn't be reversed And what was clark supposed to do grab her and take her to the FOS he cant touch her she left and he's powerless around her so he couldn't force her to do anything. Lana left on her own will and she is gone (yay) but it is OVER ok???
There are ways! Jeez, just on the silliest of all levels concerning the FOS, Clark could have put Lana in a damn lead box and taken her there for all that I care! The point isn't *how* it could have been done, but that it could have been done or in the very least *attempted* and Clark Kent did not even try.
This was his one true love, and he did not try to rescue it. A mere mortal would have done more than what this soon-to-be-Superman did last night.
unfocused
02-06-2009, 07:31 AM
Lana didn't let Clark try. She left him, remember?
Superman's_Wife
02-06-2009, 07:34 AM
Clark said he was prepared to still have her in his life and he wouldnt give up it was Lana who knew she had to walk away to let him become the man he is going to be.
Yes, I am aware that last night Lana Lang was portrayed as the real hero of the story.
However, even if Lana Lang was telling Clark Kent that the end to their relationship was there, a man in love (the kind of love that I have seen Superman have for his wife in the comics) does not give up. Even if the entire world tells him he has to. He will not give up, not when true love is at stake.
So again, I understand that Clark *wanted* to save Lana and that Lana *told* him not to. But my question is not about wanting to do things, it's about trying! It's about exhausting *all* resources in order to save the person you love.
Clark Kent didn't do this for Lana Lang. He simply did not.
And please don't think for a moment that I wanted Clark Kent to continue his relationship with Lana Lang. I have never wanted this because that is simply not how the story goes. However, last night was just so OOC on so many levels. I could barely stand to watch. None of it made any sense and it all read like a really bad, horrible, piece of fan fiction.
----- Added 2 Minutes later -----
Lana didn't let Clark try. She left him, remember?
Since when does anyone have to *let* Clark Kent do anything? That is why this is OOC. The entire world could have been telling Clark, there is *no* way. There just isn't. Forget about Lana. It's impossible. And the Clark Kent that I have grown up loving would have turned around and said: There is always a way. I will not give up.
Lana Lang left him. Yes, but did that *have* to be the ending? That was my question. Did it have to end with Lana basically telling Clark what to do and him accepting it?
The thing is, even if Clark Kent promised to never give up, we know he will give up. We know that Lana Lang is literally gone from Smallville and that in a couple of episodes Clark Kent will have forgotten her.
I just don't buy any of it. I'm sorry. I can't rationalize something that makes no sense to me.
unfocused
02-06-2009, 07:41 AM
Maybe I didn't say it right. Let me give it another go...
Lana left him. Lana go bye bye. She made up her mind and he couldn't change it.
RED_SUN
02-06-2009, 07:43 AM
She didnt come across as a hero to me, I saw her as an instrument of guidance setting him free. The lessons he learned from his experience with her will benefit him in everyway, it makes him stronger to what he has to deal with in the future.
I didnt see him giving up but accepting deep down that they had different paths to take and destinys to live. Its something he wouldnt say to her but would know would have to happen.
But thats just me :)
Terrible ending to an iconic relationship that needed to end, but could have been handled infinitely better.
The writers tried to make it an epic tragedy, but all they did was make it a mockery of the characters and the intelligence of the fans.
In a plausible fiction, Lois would never have a chance of surplanting the Lana that the writers of the show have now created..but we all know this "send off" will be just that--and Clark will now act as if Lana never existed and focus on Lois. Ridiculous.
mysticrose624
02-06-2009, 07:44 AM
I was struck at how quickly both gave up. You have the Fortress and Jor-El who could have possibly done something. I know it's not up and running right now, but I think that was an option at least worth considering.
But even worse was the lack of thought regarding the ring. And don't tell me he learned his lesson from Reckoning. He wouldn't be reversing anyone's death and clearly, CK on Smallville learns no lessons when it comes to Lana. They could have gone back and changed everything simply by allowing Lana to use common sense and not put on something made by Lex.
And because it was Lana's asinine choice to put the thing on in the first place, it took away from any sorrow I could feel for them. She basically got what she deserved as did Clark. But that still doesn't change the fact that this could have been undone.
KoopaBowserSSBM
02-06-2009, 07:47 AM
Clark didnt have his lead suit so there wasnt anything he could have done.
Isabel14
02-06-2009, 07:47 AM
I don't know what to say, but for me he tried as much as he could to be with Lana, the proof is that he managed to kiss her, while she was full of kryptonite, but I don't care anymore, I just wanna him away from Lois.
Superman's_Wife
02-06-2009, 07:53 AM
Maybe I didn't say it right. Let me give it another go...
Lana left him. Lana go bye bye. She made up her mind and he couldn't change it.
You do not have to be condescending to make your point.
I understand that Lana literally left. My point is, why is that even an obstacle for a man who is about to become Superman? Lana leaves, Clark can follow her! I mean, someone leaving isn't the end of the world. It's not like Lana went *poof* and vanished. Even when someone vanished (as I mentioned in my original post) Clark does not give up. He tries everything in his power and ends up succeeding.
Here he did not succeed because he did not try.
That is all I am saying. I am aware of what Lana said and what Lana did. But I just don't believe that any of it was enough for Clark Kent to basically give up on her unless deep down inside that's what he wanted to do.
nic25
02-06-2009, 07:53 AM
Even if he did try they would still have to be apart.And if he spends the next how many weeks,months trying to find away to save her we would be complaining about how he hasnt moved on to embrace his destiny.They're over and thats whats important.I also dont think that he cares any less about her b/c he cant save her.He didnt care any less about ryan when he couldnt save him and he tried.We know that he would never give up,but you have to be realistic in certain situations,and i think both of them wereAlso to give Lana the benefit,i dont think she would want Clark spending all of his time trying to save her when there are others that need him more.
Superman's_Wife
02-06-2009, 07:54 AM
I don't know what to say, but for me he tried as much as he could to be with Lana, the proof is that he managed to kiss her, while she was full of kryptonite, but I don't care anymore, I just wanna him away from Lois.
Isabela - That last act wasn't Clark Kent trying. It was Clark Kent giving up. Why do you think it was so heartbreaking to watch? It was literally the man about to become Superman allowing the world to defeat him.
myankskent
02-06-2009, 07:55 AM
You do not have to be condescending to make your point.
I understand that Lana literally left. My point is, why is that even an obstacle for a man who is about to become Superman? Lana leaves, Clark can follow her! I mean, someone leaving isn't the end of the world. It's not like Lana went *poof* and vanished. Even when someone vanished (as I mentioned in my original post) Clark does not give up. He tries everything in his power and ends up succeeding.
Here he did not succeed because he did not try.
That is all I am saying. I am aware of what Lana said and what Lana did. But I just don't believe that any of it was enough for Clark Kent to basically give up on her unless deep down inside that's what he wanted to do.
Well, it's kind of hard for Clark to save someone that he can't even get close to. As for Clark not giving up, I think that is an excellent point and this will be something that we will look at in March. Will he just forget all about Lana or will be actively try to find a cure while progressing as a hero? If he doesn't try to find a cure, his character will take yet another major hit, IMO.
nic25
02-06-2009, 07:58 AM
Well, it's kind of hard for Clark to save someone that he can't even get close to. As for Clark not giving up, I think that is an excellent point and this will be something that we will look at in March. Will he just forget all about Lana or will be actively try to find a cure while progressing as a hero? If he doesn't try to find a cure, his character will take yet another major hit, IMO.
But will he be trying to find a cure to save her,or to be with her
Superman's_Wife
02-06-2009, 07:59 AM
Even if he did try they would still have to be apart.And if he spends the next how many weeks,months trying to find away to save her we would be complaining about how he hasnt moved on to embrace his destiny.They're over and thats whats important.I also dont think that he cares any less about her b/c he cant save her.He didnt care any less about ryan when he couldnt save him and he tried.We know that he would never give up,but you have to be realistic in certain situations,and i think both of them wereAlso to give Lana the benefit,i dont think she would want Clark spending all of his time trying to save her when there are others that need him more.
Yes, in every incarnation of Superman Lana Lang and Clark Kent are apart. However, they are apart for the right reasons, where one or both decide that it is better just to be friends. Here, both of them just gave up on each other in the moment where they were supposedly finally together and so in love.
And as for being realistic, let's be realistic here and get out of the fictional world for a moment. PS3 could have given this couple a different ending. This wasn't even something I'd consider *tragic* because there was no exhaustive attempt to salvage this relationship by any of the parties. In the end it was a pathetic conclusion to the first romance in Clark Kent's life. I think it deserved much better, and again, I'm not even a Clana shipper. PS3 could have written a way out. They could have had Lana Lang not absorb the Kryptonite and just decide that she had a larger mission in life. Clark Kent then wouldn't follow her, not because he couldn't, but because he respected her wishes to go seek out a higher calling.
Here all we know is that Clark Kent can't go near Lana Lang and Lana leave and Clark Kent gives up and allows her to go. Will their relationship ever be salvaged? We don't know because as people outside the fictional world we know that Kristin Kreuk will not be back in Smallville.
myankskent
02-06-2009, 08:01 AM
But will he be trying to find a cure to save her,or to be with her
Probably not, and at this point, that's a disaster for Clark.
Superman's_Wife
02-06-2009, 08:02 AM
Well, it's kind of hard for Clark to save someone that he can't even get close to. As for Clark not giving up, I think that is an excellent point and this will be something that we will look at in March. Will he just forget all about Lana or will be actively try to find a cure while progressing as a hero? If he doesn't try to find a cure, his character will take yet another major hit, IMO.
So a situation is difficult and thus it is okay for the man-of-steel to give up? Like I mentioned in my original post, in the comics Clark Kent has faced worse circumstances with his wife and he has never given. He has never willingly let her go.
Here Clark Kent let Lana go. Just like that.
Again, ultimately this was a good decision but it just left a bad taste in my mouth.
9-SOSIHTWB
02-06-2009, 08:03 AM
I'm not really sure!!!!!!!!!
He found a way to save Chloe, why not Lana!
But I think now was the right time for Lana to go, and boy did she make an exit!!
Superman's_Wife
02-06-2009, 08:03 AM
But will he be trying to find a cure to save her,or to be with her
Do you even have to ask? The answer to this question is: Who cares?
PS3 will not care. The audience will not care. The characters will not care. I have no doubt in my mind that come March no one will ever utter the words: Lana Lang. Ever. Again.
So at the end this arc will just seem like this overly sensationalized and oh so dramatic period in Clark Kent's life that didn't make any sense and didn't obtain any kind of satisfactory resolution.
llk6165
02-06-2009, 08:04 AM
Clark said he was prepared to still have her in his life and he wouldnt give up it was Lana who knew she had to walk away to let him become the man he is going to be.
Turns out SVLana is more of a man and has more strength of character than SVClark.
myankskent
02-06-2009, 08:04 AM
So a situation is difficult and thus it is okay for the man-of-steel to give up? Like I mentioned in my original post, in the comics Clark Kent has faced worse circumstances with his wife and he has never given. He has never willingly let her go.
Here Clark Kent let Lana go. Just like that.
Again, ultimately this was a good decision but it just left a bad taste in my mouth.
I never said that it was ok for Clark to give up. I don't want to see him give up. However, he can't tie Lana up in the loft and keep her there. What he needs to do is spend some time trying to find a cure for Lana on his own while progressing as a hero. For him to just suddenly forget all about Lana in the next episode would be a disgraceful move by TPTB and it wouldn't make a lick of sense to anyone who has been watching this show for the last 7 and a half years, IMO.
Superman's_Wife
02-06-2009, 08:05 AM
I'm not really sure!!!!!!!!!
He found a way to save Chloe, why not Lana!
But I think now was the right time for Lana to go, and boy did she make an exit!!
Yes, this is my point. He always finds a way. And if we think about this outside of fiction, the writers could have *easily* found a way for Clark to do this. They opted not to. They made this final reunion between Lana and Clark so utterly pathetic.
I expected more. That's all I'm saying. So much more from the man-of-steel and his first love.
Demien
02-06-2009, 08:05 AM
No. Clark gave up on Lana pretty fast. They both did.and that was the best in this episode
Superman's_Wife
02-06-2009, 08:07 AM
I never said that it was ok for Clark to give up. I don't want to see him give up. However, he can't tie Lana up in the loft and keep her there. What he needs to do is spend some time trying to find a cure for Lana on his own while progressing as a hero. For him to just suddenly forget all about Lana in the next episode would be a disgraceful move by TPTB and it wouldn't make a lick of sense to anyone who has been watching this show for the last 7 and a half years, IMO.
It will make as much sense as forcing this arc on season 8 has! Let's be real here, this arc was intended for season 7. It was ultimately sculpted in a way to fit into this season but boy where there just so many flaws. If this was done in season 7, you can bet that Lana Lang would have returned this season at least in one episode.
Right now Kristin Kreuk has said she may return for the season finale. But if that is this year, is there really enough time to write her in? If it's next year, will anyone really care about her if she shows up in the last episode? I mean by that time so much will happen between Clark and other characters. No one will even bat an eye lash for the woman!
So I don't think there is a real chance of mature and realistic closure for this relationship, sadly.
RED_SUN
02-06-2009, 08:08 AM
I didnt see either give up, yes they could have continued fighting for their relationship but there are somethings more important and they both realised that.
Lana said that the greatest feeling she has ever had was saving the DR life, she knew her destiny lied elsewhere as did Clarks. What they were experiencing was how difficult it was to let each other go.
Superman's_Wife
02-06-2009, 08:09 AM
No. Clark gave up on Lana pretty fast. They both did.and that was the best in this episode
You're right and that's why it's pretty damn sad. Both characters gave up on each other, on their true love.
Are Lana Lang fans happy? I mean, seriously? I just don't get it. I feel no closure and I'm not even a fan of Lana! I guess the reason why this is upsetting is because I love Clark Kent so much and I expect the world from him. When he gives up, or when he does things that are out of character for him (as I have come to know him in the comics) I get upset.
scifigirl
02-06-2009, 08:11 AM
Superman's wife, while not seeking a cure made it look like Clark abandoned her I think that having Clark work on a cure would have made this arc even worse. A. Her leaving made it clear thatshe didn't want him to work on finding a cure. B. It would have ruined Clark's character even more to have him abandon becoming Superman and spend weeks, months, years or possibly the rest of his life trying to find a way to cure her.
AndiGirl
02-06-2009, 08:11 AM
I kind of expected him to offer to visit his "dad" to see if there was anything he could do...or something.
He did give up rather easily. So I'm hoping that's telling about his dedication to her. :\
Superman's_Wife
02-06-2009, 08:13 AM
Lana said that the greatest feeling she has ever had was saving the DR life, she knew her destiny lied elsewhere as did Clarks. What they were experiencing was how difficult it was to let each other go.
You have a point here. Of course this is what is best for both of them. The problem I have is that this arc made such a fuss about getting Lana and Clark together in a moment when they had *both* moved on. They then came back together and you would think that sacrificing the *progress* that both had accomplish while apart would have been done in order to salvage their love which was pretty quickly abandoned by both parties.
What was the point of this arc?
What has been the point of Lana Lang and Clark Kent according to Smallville verse? Clark Kent began unable to get anywhere near Lana Lang and that is exactly how it ended.
It'd be much more ironic if it wasn't quite so pathetic.
myankskent
02-06-2009, 08:13 AM
It will make as much sense as forcing this arc on season 8 has! Let's be real here, this arc was intended for season 7.
That doesn't really matter to me. If TPTB played out this arc in season 7, I would still say that Clark should spend his life finding a cure for Lana. TPTB pushed Clana to a point in "Requiem" where IMO, the show needs a Clana payoff in the end. They made this ship too important for Smallville and I just can't buy any other girl with Clark at this point.
Superman's_Wife
02-06-2009, 08:17 AM
Superman's wife, while not seeking a cure made it look like Clark abandoned her I think that having Clark work on a cure would have made this arc even worse. It would have ruined Clark's character even more to have him abandon becoming Superman and spend weeks, months years or possibly the rest of his life trying to find a way to cure her.
This is merely speculating on the fact that finding the cure had to be near impossible. I could easily see PS3 making the cure within Clark's reach. This means that Clark would not have spent months and years, but rather moments. Lana Lang would have been cured and then both of them could have still parted, only this time out of maturity and common sense. In the manner I have stated right now, both Clark Kent and Lana Lang's character could have been salvaged. Instead, their character quality lost major points last night.
In the end, the reason I was sad last night wasn't out of anger or hatred for the characters. It was because the story itself was just so poorly written. I couldn't understand how such a great show could have fallen to the standard of a common soap opera. Yes, they have done horrible things in the past, but so far this season they've been giving us high quality stories. Stories that make sense and that we can believe.
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That doesn't really matter to me. If TPTB played out this arc in season 7, I would still say that Clark should spend his life finding a cure for Lana. TPTB pushed Clana to a point in "Requiem" where IMO, the show needs a Clana payoff in the end. They made this ship too important for Smallville and I just can't buy any other girl with Clark at this point.
My point was that if this was played out in season 7 there would be a greater possibility of obtaining proper closure. Since it has occurred in season 8, realistically, I cannot see it ever getting the closure it deserves.
And about Clark moving on to another girl. That isn't even the point. The point is not that he moves on, it's that he moves on based on such a sorry excuse for an ending to his first romance. If there had been proper closure I could readily accept Clark moving on. We've all had first loves, and we've all felt that strong commitment and dedication to it. Yet a first love (more so than not) ends and we move on to greater and better things.
Last night made the DVD break-up look like Shakespearean art!
RED_SUN
02-06-2009, 08:21 AM
You have a point here. Of course this is what is best for both of them. The problem I have is that this arc made such a fuss about getting Lana and Clark together in a moment when they had *both* moved on. They then came back together and you would think that sacrificing the *progress* that both had accomplish while apart would have been done in order to salvage their love which was pretty quickly abandoned by both parties.
What was the point of this arc?
What has been the point of Lana Lang and Clark Kent according to Smallville verse? Clark Kent began unable to get anywhere near Lana Lang and that is exactly how it ended.
It'd be much more ironic if it wasn't quite so pathetic.
I put it down to them not finally accepting that they had to let go. Plus love makes you do stupid things and that was getting back together after all the progress they made like you said.
The point maybe was Clark needed someone like Lana Lang in his life before Lois, if he didnt imagine all the mistakes he would have made as Superman.
Superman's_Wife
02-06-2009, 08:23 AM
That was the only redeemable quality of last night's Clark Kent, that somewhere deep inside he finally let go. I just wished he would have let go without giving up on a person he cared for.
myankskent
02-06-2009, 08:25 AM
My point was that if this was played out in season 7 there would be a greater possibility of obtaining proper closure. Since it has occurred in season 8, realistically, I cannot see it ever getting the closure it deserves.
I completely agree and that's the main problem for me as well.
And about Clark moving on to another girl. That isn't even the point. The point is not that he moves on, it's that he moves on based on such a sorry excuse for an ending to his first romance. If there had been proper closure I could readily accept Clark moving on.
Again, agreed. TPTB can't go back and change it now. We're stuck with it and my point is that TPTB will continue to destroy Clark's character if he just moves on without any closure. It ruins his future if he does.
Iluvgreen
02-06-2009, 08:38 AM
It's becasue he's not truely in love with her. It's an infatuation.
SuperheroFan87
02-06-2009, 08:43 AM
Superman's Wife, I'm an avid reader of the comics and you are absolutely right.......for his wife and even his friends, Superman would move Heaven and Earth and giving up wouldn't be an option..........but I think last night was different. I believe there truly was nothing he could've done. He couldn't follow her because he was lying on the ground in pain from the Kryptonite. Besides, Lana left quickly so he wouldn't be hurt anymore. The thing we have to remember though is Clark is not Superman yet, he is still learning. Had he actually been Superman he wouldn't have given up. Maybe that's the lesson he learns from Lois, to never give up on your true love. Lois is his soul mate not Lana.
myankskent
02-06-2009, 08:47 AM
The thing we have to remember though is Clark is not Superman yet, he is still learning. Had he actually been Superman he wouldn't have given up. Maybe that's the lesson he learns from Lois, to never give up on your true love. Lois is his soul mate not Lana.
Had this been the first major problem between Clana, I might agree. But Clana have had so many problems over the course of this show and I think that Clark Kent has been proven to be a guy who never gives up. That's why if his actions going forward don't involve trying to find a cure, he's not only behaving totally OOC but he is regressing big time.
SuperheroFan87
02-06-2009, 09:02 AM
Had this been the first major problem between Clana, I might agree. But Clana have had so many problems over the course of this show and I think that Clark Kent has been proven to be a guy who never gives up. That's why if his actions going forward don't involve trying to find a cure, he's not only behaving totally OOC but he is regressing big time.
Looking at it a different way, Clark hasn't technically given up. For 7+ seasons he has tried every angle possible to be with Lana. Even when she was married to Lex, he still had some hope that all wasn't lost. Last night's ending will help him learn a lesson that every superhero has learned at some point: while never giving up is a noble and admirable trait, there are some things in life that aren't meant to be.......you can't save everyone, sometimes you can't be with those you love. That's the sacrifice you make being a hero and that's when the habit, the trait, of never giving up gives you the strength to keep going.......even if some things in life are too futile to obtain.
Clark may PROGRESS because of this. Just MHO
Superman's_Wife
02-06-2009, 09:34 AM
Had this been the first major problem between Clana, I might agree. But Clana have had so many problems over the course of this show and I think that Clark Kent has been proven to be a guy who never gives up. That's why if his actions going forward don't involve trying to find a cure, he's not only behaving totally OOC but he is regressing big time.
Agreed. I don't believe we will see Clark trying to find a cure (because I don't trust PS3 as reasonable people anymore--they will simply throw this under the rug and forget all about it) but if he at least did show some sign of trying in the upcoming weeks it wouldn't be quite so OOC. The regression would still be there, but at least he wouldn't be so unrecognizable.
j-kent
02-06-2009, 12:16 PM
Yes, Kristin Kreuk will not be in any more episodes but the producers didn't have to leave her last moments like this. Clark could have saved her, but he didn't. So my question is, did Clark Kent even *try* to save Lana Lang?
This episode coming out so freshly from Legion makes the whole ending laughable. The situation between Clark and Lana was not impossible to mend if Clark really wanted to. He had options. When Chloe's life was at stake, nothing was impossible for Clark, even when a group of Legionnaires were telling him otherwise. In last night's episode on the other hand, Clark gave up very easily.
Off the bat, the first thing I thought of was Jor-El. Clark has gone to Jor-El for countless things. He's done it to save Lana's life and he's done it to save Chloe's life. However, he didn't even consider it to save the life of their supposed love? How is that even believable? When someone is truly in love with you they will do *everything* in their power to not let the love that they feel die for you.
Clark could have also used the Legion ring to fix things. Most of us feel that he may end up using this in the future, yet he didn't even *consider* using it here? There was no attempt to even try to salvage this relationship. So how can I ever truly believe that this arc was genuine? Sure Clark Kent kissed and slept with Lana Lang but how can these scenes be taken seriously when Clark gave up on Lana so easily??
In the comics, Superman's wife has been in similar situations, where either she is completely gone, vanished (See Comic, Superman: For Tomorrow) or she is in another kind of situation that may separate her from Clark forever. And Clark never gives up! In the comics Lois and Clark have also been in situations where there seems to be no escape, no alternative, and yet Clark *always* finds a way to salvage his wife and the love that they share. When Lois Lane is at stake, losing her is *never* an option for Clark Kent.
Here in Smallville, at the first sign of trouble after finally (according to Lana anyway) being true equals, after finally reuniting, the world throws them one more obstacle and they both give up. And this for Clark Kent, at least is very out of character. He never gives up. He moves earth and heaven for the people he loves.
So my question is, did Clark Kent even *try* to save Lana Lang? I mean, seriously, did the man move earth and heaven (as he has done in the comics for his wife) here on Smallville for Lana Lang?
In the end, isn't that the most telling of all? We can all theorize about a possible cure for Lana and about a possible continuation to the Lana and Clark romance, but will either of them even bother?
Lana Lang is a superhero now, she's not in the comics but she is here in Smalllville. Yes, this whole thing was a light switch moment. One moment Lana Lang is a thief and bordering on psychotic and the next she is Mother Teresa, but that's the story web they've decided to weave. So Lana seems to have found something she loves even more than Clark Kent. She wants to save the world and she wants to be Superman. For her there doesn't seem to be much room for Clark in her life.
As for Clark, he may love her but at her side she quite literally sucks the life out of him. And not just because of the kryptonite now in her body, but every time she is with him, he seems to forget how to be Superman. By her side he cannot even save the world! He cannot even save their relationship! The minute she is gone, Clark is Superman again. He can save the world, he can save his best friend.
So is there really room for Lana in Clark's life in the future?
Not if he will ever become Superman.
Look, for the sake of the season and the show coming to an end. IMO I think this was proper to let Lana go. What can he do for someone who doesn't want to be find? For this to happen this way makes it much more powerful rather than a mundane goodbye for the heck of it don't ya think?
tygershot
02-06-2009, 02:32 PM
get a big lead box/container and put those 2 "balls?" full of kryptonite in it and super-speed it out of town? Seems simple to me!!!
costas22
02-06-2009, 02:38 PM
I think that they figured out it was Kryptonite once they got up there.If they had gone to get lead,Lex might have set the bomb off.
velocity
02-06-2009, 04:38 PM
Yes, Kristin Kreuk will not be in any more episodes but the producers didn't have to leave her last moments like this. Clark could have saved her, but he didn't. So my question is, did Clark Kent even *try* to save Lana Lang?
This episode coming out so freshly from Legion makes the whole ending laughable. The situation between Clark and Lana was not impossible to mend if Clark really wanted to. He had options. When Chloe's life was at stake, nothing was impossible for Clark, even when a group of Legionnaires were telling him otherwise. In last night's episode on the other hand, Clark gave up very easily.
Off the bat, the first thing I thought of was Jor-El. Clark has gone to Jor-El for countless things. He's done it to save Lana's life and he's done it to save Chloe's life. However, he didn't even consider it to save the life of their supposed love? How is that even believable? When someone is truly in love with you they will do *everything* in their power to not let the love that they feel die for you.
Clark could have also used the Legion ring to fix things. Most of us feel that he may end up using this in the future, yet he didn't even *consider* using it here? There was no attempt to even try to salvage this relationship. So how can I ever truly believe that this arc was genuine? Sure Clark Kent kissed and slept with Lana Lang but how can these scenes be taken seriously when Clark gave up on Lana so easily??
In the comics, Superman's wife has been in similar situations, where either she is completely gone, vanished (See Comic, Superman: For Tomorrow) or she is in another kind of situation that may separate her from Clark forever. And Clark never gives up! In the comics Lois and Clark have also been in situations where there seems to be no escape, no alternative, and yet Clark *always* finds a way to salvage his wife and the love that they share. When Lois Lane is at stake, losing her is *never* an option for Clark Kent.
Here in Smallville, at the first sign of trouble after finally (according to Lana anyway) being true equals, after finally reuniting, the world throws them one more obstacle and they both give up. And this for Clark Kent, at least is very out of character. He never gives up. He moves earth and heaven for the people he loves.
So my question is, did Clark Kent even *try* to save Lana Lang? I mean, seriously, did the man move earth and heaven (as he has done in the comics for his wife) here on Smallville for Lana Lang?
In the end, isn't that the most telling of all? We can all theorize about a possible cure for Lana and about a possible continuation to the Lana and Clark romance, but will either of them even bother?
Lana Lang is a superhero now, she's not in the comics but she is here in Smalllville. Yes, this whole thing was a light switch moment. One moment Lana Lang is a thief and bordering on psychotic and the next she is Mother Teresa, but that's the story web they've decided to weave. So Lana seems to have found something she loves even more than Clark Kent. She wants to save the world and she wants to be Superman. For her there doesn't seem to be much room for Clark in her life.
As for Clark, he may love her but at her side she quite literally sucks the life out of him. And not just because of the kryptonite now in her body, but every time she is with him, he seems to forget how to be Superman. By her side he cannot even save the world! He cannot even save their relationship! The minute she is gone, Clark is Superman again. He can save the world, he can save his best friend.
So is there really room for Lana in Clark's life in the future?
Not if he will ever become Superman.
Let's say that Clark did all those things.. would anyone be happy? (besides clana fans)
I can picture the various comments in my head "Clark's world revolve around Lana, he forgets all about saving people when she's around" "Clark can save millions people, but all he cares about is curing Lana so they can bang" :rolleyes:
Add some some Lana-bashing and quite a few nasty words to that.
marcella
02-06-2009, 04:55 PM
he gave up pretty fast for me
Bizarrolover
02-06-2009, 05:12 PM
he gave up pretty fast for me
Yeah, and he didn't question Dr. Grohl's credentials, I mean, the guy worked for Lex, how does he know he's trustworthy? I know the fortress is not working right now, but he could go and ask Jor-el for help. I'm sure Clark has lana's number, they'll talk on the phone ever day and when he finds a cure, he'll let her know (though I secretely hope he doesn't).
Mrs. Superman
02-06-2009, 05:30 PM
I must say I agree with all your posts, Superman's Wife. I'm a big fan of the comic books, which in fact are my favorite version of Clark. I think SVClark is far from Clark Kent, and that includes pre-superman.
I hated the whole star crossed lovers deal because as you said Clark Kent does not give up on the love of his life no matter how impossible the situation seems. True love conquers all ... yes even a silly kryptonite suit.
I am glad they didnt keep trying but I'm mad they even took it on the path they did.
SGuthrie27
02-06-2009, 06:02 PM
They both did give up pretty fast. Anyone here watch Pushing Daisies? I mean, c'mon, there's a show where the two main characters, who love each other very much, can't touch each other because one of them will end up dead if they do. And yet, they find lots of creative ways to stay close, right? Maybe Clark should build himself a lead suit... On second thought, just forget it -- that'd mean more Clana.
--SGuthrie ><>' :)--
Minela
02-06-2009, 07:12 PM
Jor El could have sucked the Kryptonite out of her in seconds. I mean, if his ship could suck out the Green K out of her neckless, than why wouldn't the fortress be able to do the same for her?
But I guess he just didn't want to bother to go that far north. Who can blame him? Not me, it's an awfully long trip. Meh.
Bizarrolover
02-06-2009, 07:14 PM
I was struck at how quickly both gave up. You have the Fortress and Jor-El who could have possibly done something. I know it's not up and running right now, but I think that was an option at least worth considering.
But even worse was the lack of thought regarding the ring. And don't tell me he learned his lesson from Reckoning. He wouldn't be reversing anyone's death and clearly, CK on Smallville learns no lessons when it comes to Lana. They could have gone back and changed everything simply by allowing Lana to use common sense and not put on something made by Lex.
And because it was Lana's asinine choice to put the thing on in the first place, it took away from any sorrow I could feel for them. She basically got what she deserved as did Clark. But that still doesn't change the fact that this could have been undone.
Great post!
I agree with you in the fact that Lana brought this to herself. She stole the suit without meassuring the consequences and never imaging there could be side effects (and obviously dr. Grohl didn't tell her) or that something like this could happen. I mean, it's Lex we are talking about.
It's obvious that Lex created the suit with the purpose of being invincible AND keeping Clark away. It's not much of a stretch to think that Lex planned this to make Lana poisonous to Clark in case she stole the suit from him.
At least she learned something from this: never steal a superpowered suit without reading the instructions first.
Sunny8
02-06-2009, 07:26 PM
So a situation is difficult and thus it is okay for the man-of-steel to give up? Like I mentioned in my original post, in the comics Clark Kent has faced worse circumstances with his wife and he has never given. He has never willingly let her go.
Here Clark Kent let Lana go. Just like that.
Again, ultimately this was a good decision but it just left a bad taste in my mouth.
Superman's Wife, I understand what you are saying but you are fighting a losing battle. I am also not a Clana fan but I think the conclusion of their relationship could have been handled better. The problem was bad writing. The writer's had too little time to make what they wanted to happen work. It could have been done so much better considering how well the writing was this season. I was really looking forward to what they were going to do with the Lana character and the Clana relationship, but when Clark and Lana broke up it wasn't even sad to me. I felt nothing but relief that this debacle was over. I'm just hoping now that the next episodes of this season resemble the first half of season 8 and that they don't ruin the Lois character like they did Lana and Clark.
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B. It would have ruined Clark's character even more to have him abandon becoming Superman and spend weeks, months, years or possibly the rest of his life trying to find a way to cure her.
But this is what he would have done exactly if it were the comic book Clark Kent or even the Lois and Clark Clark Kent. Clark Kent does not give up no matter what. That is why the writer's are to blame. But maybe this is exactly what they wanted...for fans to believe that Clark never gets over Lana.
LoveHurts38
02-06-2009, 07:34 PM
No. Clark gave up on Lana pretty fast. They both did. I went to Youtube just to watch the ending of the episode and Lana cried more than Clark...He did cry in Artic but, not in this episode and Lana said "I LUV U" but, Clark said "I love you" instead of " I love you too" in a whisper when she was gone.
Sunny8
02-06-2009, 07:34 PM
He did give up rather easily. So I'm hoping that's telling about his dedication to her. :\
Giving up shows dedication? I don't think so. It seemed like he was just taking the easy way out. Just because Lana did not ask him to do anything does not mean that he would not have at least tried.
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They made this ship too important for Smallville and I just can't buy any other girl with Clark at this point.
I think this is what they wanted...to make Clark so pathetic that he never gets over Lana. What kind of hero are they trying to sell us?
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Looking at it a different way, Clark hasn't technically given up. For 7+ seasons he has tried every angle possible to be with Lana. Even when she was married to Lex, he still had some hope that all wasn't lost. Last night's ending will help him learn a lesson that every superhero has learned at some point: while never giving up is a noble and admirable trait, there are some things in life that aren't meant to be.......you can't save everyone, sometimes you can't be with those you love. That's the sacrifice you make being a hero and that's when the habit, the trait, of never giving up gives you the strength to keep going.......even if some things in life are too futile to obtain.
Clark may PROGRESS because of this. Just MHO
This is a good angle. I hope he says something like this in a future episode. Then I would at least think he did find closure.
unfocused
02-06-2009, 07:47 PM
You do not have to be condescending to make your point.
I understand that Lana literally left. My point is, why is that even an obstacle for a man who is about to become Superman? Lana leaves, Clark can follow her! I mean, someone leaving isn't the end of the world. It's not like Lana went *poof* and vanished. Even when someone vanished (as I mentioned in my original post) Clark does not give up. He tries everything in his power and ends up succeeding.
Here he did not succeed because he did not try.
That is all I am saying. I am aware of what Lana said and what Lana did. But I just don't believe that any of it was enough for Clark Kent to basically give up on her unless deep down inside that's what he wanted to do.
So, you think Clark should stalk Lana and force her into a relationship that SHE gave up on?
jteE_
02-06-2009, 10:13 PM
If Clark wanted to save lana,he should've brought back bizzaro since hes the opposite to him, and if bizzaro absorb lana kryptonite he will get stronger but might actually take the kryptonite out of lana and then clark has to just defeat bizzaro again to keep there relationship.
You think that would actually work?
luvinChlark
02-06-2009, 10:47 PM
From what I saw, he wanted to be with her forever, he asked her to stay. He almost died kissing her. But it was hopeless, tragic ending. So now he can never be with his first choice. :rolleyes:
I don't see how he just gave up, I'm really not sure anything he could have done to save her. Lana said the doctor couldn't help, and she didn't wanna cause any pain to Clark. Just a sad (horrible!) ending for them.
alejandrita439
02-06-2009, 10:50 PM
i think if he really wanted to be with lana, he would have think about blue kryptonite very quickly :o
unfocused
02-07-2009, 05:48 AM
Bizarro is dead. Dunno how anyone expects Clark to have "brought him back."
DGirlLois4Clark
02-07-2009, 07:23 AM
Clark deep down does not care about Lana..she is simply his sex pest. She is no use if he cant bed her:lol:mwahahahaha
myankskent
02-07-2009, 08:01 AM
I think that when it comes to Clark wanting to cure Lana, I file that away under the contrived section. Since KK is not coming back, TPTB had to make it seem like there was absolutely nothing that Clark could do. But if someone were to ask me if Clark would do anything to cure Lana so that he could be with her? I would say "hell yes". There's no way that he would struggle that much to give her one last kiss and then turn around and ignore a potential option that he has for curing her.
velocity
02-07-2009, 08:45 AM
Clark deep down does not care about Lana..she is simply his sex pest. She is no use if he cant bed her:lol:mwahahahaha
Wow, what a fascinating analysis :rolleyes:
skugers
02-07-2009, 10:19 AM
no, he didn't. on the rooftop of DP he said to Lana "go ahead" :D.
I think the writers needed to get rid of Lana but they rushed things having to fit in only one ep Toyman, Oliver going wacko, Saint Lana sailing into the sunset and Chloe. They got sloppy, as always
scifigirl
02-07-2009, 11:02 AM
I think that when it comes to Clark wanting to cure Lana, I file that away under the contrived section. Since KK is not coming back, TPTB had to make it seem like there was absolutely nothing that Clark could do. But if someone were to ask me if Clark would do anything to cure Lana so that he could be with her? I would say "hell yes". There's no way that he would struggle that much to give her one last kiss and then turn around and ignore a potential option that he has for curing her.
I think that that is the bottom line. If KK were going to be around, he (and Lana) would probably be searching the globe and talking to every knowledgeable person to find a cure. Without KK there, his searching would only hold-up the rest of the story and his journey. Even if it is out of character for Clark not to look for a cure and terrible writing to drop this story , I do not want any more episode time devoted to him looking for a cure or searching for Lana.
NoSupeForYou
02-07-2009, 12:28 PM
It was completely out of character. Taking Lana completely out of it for a moment, Clark Kent decided to give up and let a woman walk around with dangerous levels of a radioactive substance covering her body.
To put it another way. A man and a woman go to a doctor and the doctor tells the woman that she has AIDS. What would you think of the man if he suddenly turned to the woman he supposedly loves with all his heart and tells her they should split up since they can't be together physically because he might end up catching the disease?
Regardless of what the woman would say, you would look upon that man as the most cowardly and selfish bastard in the world. This ending was poorly written and none of the characters came out smelling like roses.
Mrs. Superman
02-07-2009, 12:33 PM
I think that that is the bottom line. If KK were going to be around, he (and Lana) would probably be searching the globe and talking to every knowledgeable person to find a cure. Without KK there, his searching would only hold-up the rest of the story and his journey. Even if it is out of character for Clark not to look for a cure and terrible writing to drop this story , I do not want any more episode time devoted to him looking for a cure or searching for Lana.
If KK was still around they probably would not even have written the story this way, which makes everything so frustrating. Bottom line it was terrible writing and I agree I don't want to see him looking for a cure. I'm just annoyed that they wrote it this way, expecting us to just accept that when they come back its dropped completely like it was a distant memory. If it doesn't fit with his character why would they even take it in that direction?
Die Clana! Die
02-07-2009, 12:41 PM
There are a million things that could be done: Jor-El, flying her closer to the sun, etc. But let's face it, when something isn't meant to be, it isn't meant to be.
Lana is gone. Oh happy day! :D
bigblueplanet
02-07-2009, 12:50 PM
I agree with you, Superman's_Wife.
This is indeed a pathetic conclusion to the first romance in Clark Kent's life IMO. The writers could do this in a way Lana can comfortably stay in his life as his confident, without tarnishing Clark Kent character. PS3 totally missed a golden opportunity.
Did Clark even try to save Lana?
I was thinking what would I do if I were Clark. At least I’ll try to fix Chloiac-messed-up FOS in order to ask Jor-el for neutralizing Kryptonite. But Lana kinda left him quickly, maybe it’s because air time of the episode was running out but anyway, my answer would be ‘I don’t know’. He was obviously in utter shock by her departure and wasn’t able to think anything at that time it seems. So the answer will remain to be seen in future episodes. Maybe he’ll try with his Legion ring to go to the future and ask Legion members for a help, or when Jor-el returns he probably asks him too.
You see? This is one of the most irritating aspects of this episode which I’m disgusted about. I know these writers won’t let Clark do anything reasonable in future episodes after this HUGE MESS called ‘Power’ and ‘Requiem’ according to the spoilers. By the look of Clark, will he be shown devastated by his loss at least for a few next episodes? Because we know an event like this can traumatize us for a long long time. Or by April, is he going to be ‘Lana who?’, which he did with Alicia only after a week.
They wrote this Lana-as-tragic-selfsacrifice-superhero-arc at the expense of Clark’s character but they didn’t/won’t do it in a remotely believable way IMHO.
But of course I can be wrong because I’m only assuming what would happen by the spoilers. So I’ll wait and see if Clark will try to save Lana in the future episodes. If he truly loves her, especially now that he knows she feels the same way, Clark Kent I know will do anything in his power to save her. We’ll see.
Khyla
02-07-2009, 01:48 PM
Maybe I didn't say it right. Let me give it another go...
Lana left him. Lana go bye bye. She made up her mind and he couldn't change it.
Bingo!
I remember reading a comic where Lori Lemaris could only be with Clark if she were to remain confined to a wheel-chair, and so she chose to leave him and continue being an effective and "super"-mermaid on her own.
I saw Lana leaving Clark as pretty much the same deal.
In other words, Lana didn't want to take the chance she could ruin or loose the suit and her powers and all she could accomplish.....and possibly Clark was aware of that also.
Alicia Chipy
02-07-2009, 02:03 PM
I find hard to accept that a man who forgave and took back Lana after she wed his worst enemy and prefered his evil twin wouldn't move heaven and earth to cure her.
Its totally out of character and too pat for me.
Superman recently put his whole exsistence on the line to save Lois(Final Crisis)would this version do less for his supposed soulmate?
clarkbunny
02-07-2009, 02:46 PM
Couldn't Clark have neutralised the kryptonite bomb with his heat vision?
I thought heat vision on kryptonite turned it clear or black?
If Lana just had to disarm the bomb couldn't she have just disconnected the detonator from the kryptonite? Why the need to absorb all the kryptonite?
Failing that Clark could have taken Lana to the fortress for Jor-El to sort her out. Funny how the Fortress is only used for certain plotlines. Not to mention how Clark hasn't even thought to go back there and see if it is working again following Brainiac taking control of it.
Justin Murad
02-07-2009, 02:57 PM
No, heat vision doesn't destroy the kryptonite. And Lana couldn't disconnect the detonator because if something goes wrong Clark and the half of the city would explode. xD
clarkbunny
02-07-2009, 03:02 PM
I don't mean heat vision destroys kryptonite but I was sure it changed it to another less harmful type of kryptonite. What happened to change Lana's necklace to clear?
Justin Murad
02-07-2009, 03:03 PM
Clark's ship absorbed the kryptonite in the necklace. Heat vision would fire the bomb. xD
In way it has come full circle! I mean, remember how that Lana's neclace mad eout of green kryptonite keept Clark at a safe distance, and now that Lana's hero-bodysuit has absorbed the green kryptonite, it keeps Clark at a very safe distance, although he may not consider it as such at the moment! But he has to come to his senses eventually, if not I can't se how Clois will ever work out!
Drasix
02-08-2009, 02:35 AM
explain to me how that was giving up?Seeing as this happened at the end of the episode...he didnt really have time to do anything besides ask lana what she found out about a cure and tried to keep her from leaving.
krypto 21
02-08-2009, 06:30 AM
I totally agree with you drasix. Loved the scene!!!
Drasix
02-08-2009, 06:38 AM
I find hard to accept that a man who forgave and took back Lana after she wed his worst enemy and prefered his evil twin wouldn't move heaven and earth to cure her.
Its totally out of character and too pat for me.
Superman recently put his whole exsistence on the line to save Lois(Final Crisis)would this version do less for his supposed soulmate?lois is his supposed soulmate in comics.this isnt comics and smallville doesnt base everything off comics
wolverine316
02-08-2009, 06:42 AM
This is silly. Clark can't win with posters. It would become a long drag out obsession for Clark to help Lana find a cure and fail time and time again. Then as we know fans will complain that Clark is regressing for the billionth time taking his eye of the more important issue. A certain monster called Doomsday? The world is more important than one person.
Drasix
02-08-2009, 06:45 AM
This is silly. Clark can't win with posters. It would become a long drag out obsession for Clark to help Lana find a cure and fail time and time again. Then as we know fans will complain that Clark is regressing for the billionth time taking his eye of the more important issue. A certain monster called Doomsday? The world is more important than one person.
being with lana isnt going to stop him from saving the world..it never has
skugers
02-08-2009, 06:49 AM
If Smallville doesn't need to follow the comics (or at least a big part of it) then why start, in the first place, this show? Because this show is supposed to be about Clark Kent (the one from the comics) becoming Superman (the one from the comics as well). Or at least the producers claim to. So I doubt that it's normal for them to be allowed to change what's in between by their free will.
I think there are some big points from the comics that need to be folowed in SV. Lois Lane Supes soulmate is one of them. Lana Lang was Clark's highschool sweetheart and that's it.
Drasix
02-08-2009, 06:54 AM
Smallville is gough and millars take on superman growing up.yes that take alot of references from the comics but they leave enough room to improvise and try different things.If it was gonna be exactly like the comics the clana relationship would have ended after season 4.To be truthful if it was based entirely off the comics it would be boring,everything would be expected
hero`s passion
02-08-2009, 10:04 AM
I noticed that he gave up very easily, I think it`s was the writers idea, maybe it was for clois fans.
He just didn`t think about it, just said:Lana go! I thought Lana was in a doubts, but Clark wasn`t...I like it:)))))))) so I think it was because of clois in some way...
skugers
02-08-2009, 10:07 AM
Well, I think Smallville should've ended after season 4, exactly for the reason you named, Drasix. And bringing Lois into the show also in the fourth season was stupid and unapropiate....
The massacre of Superman canon had everthing to do with MONEY.
That's why we stuck with Lana Lang for 8 years and not the 4 years of highschool, how it was supposed to happen.
And also why they sold us a hint of Clois before Clark and Lois even made it to the Daily Planet.
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I noticed that he gave up very easily, I think it`s was the writers idea, maybe it was for clois fans.
He just didn`t think about it, just said:Lana go! I thought Lana was in a doubts, but Clark wasn`t...I like it:)))))))) so I think it was because of clois in some way...
Yeah, exactly, I already said it in another thread but anyways. I kind of liked his determination. He just said it and his face showed that he was certain of that. Lana, instead, seemed more reluctant, I think.
hero`s passion
02-08-2009, 10:22 AM
[quote=skugers;4446772]Well, I think Smallville should've ended after season 4, exactly for the reason you named, Drasix. And bringing Lois into the show also in the fourth season was stupid and unapropiate....
The massacre of Superman canon had everthing to do with MONEY.
That's why we stuck with Lana Lang for 8 years and not the 4 years of highschool, how it was supposed to happen.
And also why they sold us a hint of Clois before Clark and Lois even made it to the Daily Planet.
I disagree with that, as for me, I started to really like this show after season 4, because of Lois in some way, I liked it in 123 seasons, but not that much as I liked it now...so I think it was a great idea to bring Lois in this show, if they weren`t the show would probably ended after season 4 or even earlier...IMO
Drasix
02-08-2009, 10:41 AM
[quote=skugers;4446772]Well, I think Smallville should've ended after season 4, exactly for the reason you named, Drasix. And bringing Lois into the show also in the fourth season was stupid and unapropiate....
The massacre of Superman canon had everthing to do with MONEY.
That's why we stuck with Lana Lang for 8 years and not the 4 years of highschool, how it was supposed to happen.
And also why they sold us a hint of Clois before Clark and Lois even made it to the Daily Planet.
I disagree with that, as for me, I started to really like this show after season 4, because of Lois in some way, I liked it in 123 seasons, but not that much as I liked it now...so I think it was a great idea to bring Lois in this show, if they weren`t the show would probably ended after season 4 or even earlier...IMO
i disagree
Dominicus
02-08-2009, 05:08 PM
Smallville is gough and millars take on superman growing up.yes that take alot of references from the comics but they leave enough room to improvise and try different things.If it was gonna be exactly like the comics the clana relationship would have ended after season 4.To be truthful if it was based entirely off the comics it would be boring,everything would be expectedIt's still the story of superman, and that is based of the comic. They are playing around on how the story is told but they won't change the key aspects of it. The end game will be the same.
TheANIMAL (marcus)
02-08-2009, 06:21 PM
He could have vaporised all that kryptonite witha single blast of super heat vision.
Now because he didn't use his head he cant go near Lana...
What an idiot!!! :rotfl: :rotfl:
:lol::lol::lol::lol:
Kal-ed
02-08-2009, 06:24 PM
And its not the only reason he looked like an idiot during this whole Lana arc.
Saber
02-08-2009, 06:29 PM
He could have vaporised all that kryptonite witha single blast of super heat vision.
Now because he didn't use his head he cant go near Lana...
What an idiot!!! :rotfl: :rotfl:
:lol::lol::lol::lol:
:D You know that’s what I was thinking also. Vaporize it or with one good blow, blow the thing into space.
Does anyone remember what made Lana’s necklace inactive?
TheANIMAL (marcus)
02-08-2009, 06:36 PM
I forget what disarmed the neckless, was never that hot on the first 2 seasons.
Now Clois will not only be the result of Lana being radioactive but in turn, be a result of Clark stupidity to save his relationship with Lana.
I dont think i could be happier, i've always secretly thought Smallville has had too many ships.
With the destruction of Chimmy to look forward to the seasons looking up imo.
DJ Doena
02-09-2009, 01:22 AM
:D You know that’s what I was thinking also. Vaporize it or with one good blow, blow the thing into space.
Does anyone remember what made Lana’s necklace inactive?
IIRC it was Clark's ship because the necklace was hurting it.
gem65
02-11-2009, 09:16 AM
Looking at it a different way, Clark hasn't technically given up. For 7+ seasons he has tried every angle possible to be with Lana. Even when she was married to Lex, he still had some hope that all wasn't lost. Last night's ending will help him learn a lesson that every superhero has learned at some point: while never giving up is a noble and admirable trait, there are some things in life that aren't meant to be.......you can't save everyone, sometimes you can't be with those you love. That's the sacrifice you make being a hero and that's when the habit, the trait, of never giving up gives you the strength to keep going.......even if some things in life are too futile to obtain.
Clark may PROGRESS because of this. Just MHO
What you've said actually makes a lot of sense to me. Even though he did give up rather quickly, he has shown in the past to not do so. But sometimes you come to a point when you realize that there's nothing more you can do.
Habits
02-11-2009, 09:25 AM
He could have vaporised all that kryptonite witha single blast of super heat vision.
Now because he didn't use his head he cant go near Lana...
What an idiot!!! :rotfl: :rotfl:
:lol::lol::lol::lol:
He used his heat vision on a solder that was wearing a prototype of the suit in an earlier episode and the guy blew up...hmm thinking about it that wouldn't be such a bad thing to happen to Lana :lol:
gem65
02-11-2009, 09:25 AM
Didn't Clark use his heat vision to change Lex's kryptonite ring to onyx when Lex was split in two?
wafflles87
02-11-2009, 10:15 AM
This "Kryptonite bomb that could take out half the city and was set up by Lex Luthor to separate Clark Kent and Lana Lang forever" was just plot tool.
Were there ways they could've stopped it without the whole noble sacrifice thing? For sure. But then Clark and Lana wouldn't have been forever sepparated by that, and since it was KK's last episode, we might have needed to have an actual proper ending, where they ~gasp~ TALK and then split up.
Oh well :\
Bizarrolover
02-11-2009, 10:29 AM
Lana has super strength. She could have tossed that thing into the stratosphere.
Clark had enouth time to run to a hospital, grab a lead apron (like those used by x-ray technitians), wrap the bomb (or himself) and take the bomb out of the city, like he did in season 3 - Resurrection. If he couldn't find an empty tunnel where to throw it, he could have taken the bomb to the caves so the bomb would explode without hurting anyone.
But I guess it was more dramatic they way it happend, with Lana radioactive for the rest of her life.
devilneedsaride
02-11-2009, 10:39 AM
Lana has super strength. She could have tossed that thing into the stratosphere.
That's the first thing that I thought of too, seeing as in the movies/other Superman media that tends to be Superman's first course of action. Something's gonna blow up? Throw it into space. I get why Lana couldn't try to diffuse the bomb (unless her super ninja martial arts training also came with super ninja bomb diffusion training), but there really isn't any good reason why she couldn't just fling the thing.
But I guess it was more dramatic they way it happend, with Lana radioactive for the rest of her life.
Meteor freaks: Not just for Smallville anymore!
Hey, now she'll actually have a reason why all the guys she dates are meteor infected!
KneelBeforeZod!
02-11-2009, 10:41 AM
thing is Lex was watching the whole time and if they dared make a wrong move...well...lord knows! what have happened.
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but hey, whether they broke up with a little heart to heart chat or a freakish kryptonite kiss, Lana's gone, and that works for me.
SnowBird
02-11-2009, 10:45 AM
I wonder which is faster. Lex, with his finger on the detonator, or Lana and Clark making the wrong move to get rid of the bomb. Guess we will never know.
devilneedsaride
02-11-2009, 10:50 AM
I personally thought the "I talked to some doctor. He can't fix it. We tried everything imaginable in the half a day since this happened." was pretty ridiculous. You tried everything imaginable? Really? You both must have some pretty small imaginations if you wore them out that quickly.
I'd interpret this as Lana using the suit as an excuse to break up with Clark without actually having to be the one to do it, but honestly I think it was just lazy writing.
SuperheroFan87
02-11-2009, 10:57 AM
What you've said actually makes a lot of sense to me. Even though he did give up rather quickly, he has shown in the past to not do so. But sometimes you come to a point when you realize that there's nothing more you can do.
ITA, and I believe he has come to the point where there is nothing more he can do, I believe that is why he gave up so easily, I mean Lana is now Kryptonite irradiated forever. I don't see a way he can work around that.:D
starflower69
02-11-2009, 10:59 AM
I liked the way that he superspeed off as soon as Lana had absorped the kyrptonite. He didn't even hang aroud to see if she was ok.
SupermanRox
02-11-2009, 11:01 AM
Looking at it a different way, Clark hasn't technically given up. For 7+ seasons he has tried every angle possible to be with Lana. Even when she was married to Lex, he still had some hope that all wasn't lost. Last night's ending will help him learn a lesson that every superhero has learned at some point: while never giving up is a noble and admirable trait, there are some things in life that aren't meant to be.......you can't save everyone, sometimes you can't be with those you love. That's the sacrifice you make being a hero and that's when the habit, the trait, of never giving up gives you the strength to keep going.......even if some things in life are too futile to obtain.
Clark may PROGRESS because of this. Just MHO <!-- / message -->
I really like the way you think. I think this is a good observation and maybe one that the writers may have been trying to relay to the viewer.
Does anyone remember what made Lana’s necklace inactive? <!-- / message -->
I don't remember what made Lana's necklace inactive. I can't remember. Does anyone else know?
krpto
02-11-2009, 11:18 AM
I really like the way you think. I think this is a good observation and maybe one that the writers may have been trying to relay to the viewer.
I don't remember what made Lana's necklace inactive. I can't remember. Does anyone else know?
From what I remember the shapshifter tina pretended to be whitney got the necklace from lana went to clarks barn fought him then put the necklace around clarks neck and put him in the stormseller the ship saw the kryptonite as a threat and lit up erased the green radation from it turning it white and making it so it was no longer dangerous.
SupermanRox
02-11-2009, 11:33 AM
This "Kryptonite bomb that could take out half the city and was set up by Lex Luthor to separate Clark Kent and Lana Lang forever" was just plot tool.
Were there ways they could've stopped it without the whole noble sacrifice thing? For sure. But then Clark and Lana wouldn't have been forever sepparated by that, and since it was KK's last episode, we might have needed to have an actual proper ending, where they ~gasp~ TALK and then split up.
Oh well
Exactly! Time for them to end and that is what happened. So long Lana! Wish I'd miss you but I can't lie. I'm only too happy to say goodbye. So long folks! :p
SupaBoy
02-11-2009, 11:57 AM
I think there was a reason he diddn't "try" possibly he knew deep down that he had to get rid of her to fulfil his destiny and help people.... or it could just be lazy writing, either way lanas gone:)
NoSupeForYou
02-11-2009, 04:19 PM
Generally in life if you get to the point where you irradiate yourself so much you glow green that's not a healthy amount of radiation. I know it's green K, but it's not like it's completely harmless to people in the Smallville universe. The green K is not absorbed by her body, but by the suit, so wouldn't this be the equivalent of wrapping yourself in Plutonium?
rebecavaldez
02-11-2009, 04:28 PM
Who cares!
SuperheroFan87
02-11-2009, 05:41 PM
I really like the way you think. I think this is a good observation and maybe one that the writers may have been trying to relay to the viewer.
Thanks Amy!:)
Was the bomb larger than the top demo and that why they didn't use their fast speed to hit the firer alarm & round up all & empty out the Daily Panet?
NoSupeForYou
02-11-2009, 06:34 PM
All those reporters and not one was curious enough to ask about the giant glowing green thing being taken up to the roof? Clark and Lana searched for a cure for her about as hard as Lana searched the DP for that bomb.
Serynarpc
02-11-2009, 09:19 PM
All those reporters and not one was curious enough to ask about the giant glowing green thing being taken up to the roof? Clark and Lana searched for a cure for her about as hard as Lana searched the DP for that bomb.
*Laughs* Honestly, in half of the TV shows where there is a bomb, it is on the roof. Lana must have just checked the rooms with a mirror in them.
skugers
02-12-2009, 12:39 AM
*Laughs* Honestly, in half of the TV shows where there is a bomb, it is on the roof. Lana must have just checked the rooms with a mirror in them.
LMAO:rotfl:
NoSupeForYou
02-12-2009, 04:48 PM
*Laughs* Honestly, in half of the TV shows where there is a bomb, it is on the roof. Lana must have just checked the rooms with a mirror in them.
:rotfl: Actually, she only went into one and couldn't leave.
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