Lex = Oliver Clone?

[xrayvision]

I got a crazy theory that Lex had his doctors clone Ollie just like he made Julian/Grant Gabriel. Ollie was very un-Ollie like in this episode. That ring at the end of the episode just seemed to tell the real story that Lex is an Oliver clone.

For this to be possible, he had to have performed some sort of transference, or moved his brain into the Oliver Queen clone body. It happened in the comics when Lex had cancer and had to save himself.

So I think Lex created a living Ollie clone, transferred brains (or perhaps bodies using the same type of Kryptonian technology as seen in the stones) and set up/brainwashed the Ollie clone to act as Lex so that he could kill him with the bomb and eliminate the chance of anyone else coming after him until he's back to being the real Lex.

So I think Lex will parade around as Oliver for a while and eventually clone his own body and have his brain/soul transferred into it.

I don't think it was a coincidence that Ollie happened to acquire Luthorcorp and kill all the board members. I think that was Lex's doing and that when he returns he will rename it Lexcorp, if Luthorcorp even exists anymore.

[KryptonStones]

That is actually a theory I'd be able to live with. It seems very comic book..y enough and will save the character (Green Arrow) ...hmm....I kind of hope they continue with something like this.

[Night_Hawk90]

interesting theory i was thinking the same thing when they showed him holding the kryptonite ring and also focused alot on the scars on his face.

[davidbrenton]

That's a great theory.

[xrayvision]

Yeah, thanks. What better way to learn Clark's secrets than parading around as Oliver? Plus, Tess is involved with Ollie, and he can see what she's up to as well. Don't be surprised if we get a scene where "Ollie" murders Tess.

[kaam]

As much as I would love to think that Lex was using Oliver's Clone to set himself free, I doubt that it would be possible. You are talking about switching brains/bodies like pouring water from one glass to another.

[dru-zod2501]

I was thinking the same thing myself.

Wouldn't Oliver be the Lex clone?

[Lilah]

It's pretty twisted. I like it.

[SuperheroFan87]

I got a crazy theory that Lex had his doctors clone Ollie just like he made Julian/Grant Gabriel. Ollie was very un-Ollie like in this episode. That ring at the end of the episode just seemed to tell the real story that Lex is an Oliver clone.

For this to be possible, he had to have performed some sort of transference, or moved his brain into the Oliver Queen clone body. It happened in the comics when Lex had cancer and had to save himself.

So I think Lex created a living Ollie clone, transferred brains (or perhaps bodies using the same type of Kryptonian technology as seen in the stones) and set up/brainwashed the Ollie clone to act as Lex so that he could kill him with the bomb and eliminate the chance of anyone else coming after him until he's back to being the real Lex.

So I think Lex will parade around as Oliver for a while and eventually clone his own body and have his brain/soul transferred into it.

I don't think it was a coincidence that Ollie happened to acquire Luthorcorp and kill all the board members. I think that was Lex's doing and that when he returns he will rename it Lexcorp, if Luthorcorp even exists anymore.

You know what xrayvision? I totally agree. Especially the hospital scene when he commented about Lana taking Lex's only lifeline, and how Lex would be the one to get her. What does he care that she suddenly has powers? Clark does and Ollie doesn't say stuff like that to him. Also, he didn't seem so concerned that all the board members died........which he would be if it was really Oliver! Also, good point about acquiring LuthorCorp......why would Oliver want LuthorCorp? He sees it as a corrupt organization, something he wouldn't want his own business tied to. The final scene with the Kryptonite ring and the blackmail of Chloe was all the proof I needed to see that it wasn't Oliver. Plus, Lex has a Kryptonite ring in the comics. Coincidence? Yeah...sure;)!!!!

[xrayvision]

As much as I would love to think that Lex was using Oliver's Clone to set himself free, I doubt that it would be possible. You are talking about switching brains/bodies like pouring water from one glass to another.

It happened in the comics.

[Deana]

I got a crazy theory that Lex had his doctors clone Ollie just like he made Julian/Grant Gabriel. Ollie was very un-Ollie like in this episode. That ring at the end of the episode just seemed to tell the real story that Lex is an Oliver clone.

For this to be possible, he had to have performed some sort of transference, or moved his brain into the Oliver Queen clone body. It happened in the comics when Lex had cancer and had to save himself.

So I think Lex created a living Ollie clone, transferred brains (or perhaps bodies using the same type of Kryptonian technology as seen in the stones) and set up/brainwashed the Ollie clone to act as Lex so that he could kill him with the bomb and eliminate the chance of anyone else coming after him until he's back to being the real Lex.

So I think Lex will parade around as Oliver for a while and eventually clone his own body and have his brain/soul transferred into it.

I don't think it was a coincidence that Ollie happened to acquire Luthorcorp and kill all the board members. I think that was Lex's doing and that when he returns he will rename it Lexcorp, if Luthorcorp even exists anymore.This would be so awesome if it were true. Here's hoping it is and then the question is . . . where is the real Oliver?

[ChronX4]

That scene of Ollie staring at the burnt picture as the camera slowly rotates to show his face as the picture is put out of view shortly before pulling out the K ring, would make alot of sense if they go that way.

[green_arrow_girl358]

i like anything that explains tonights ollie

[xrayvision]

This would be so awesome if it were true. Here's hoping it is and then the question is . . . where is the real Oliver?

Maybe kidnapped by Lex. He would have to be for it to be pulled off successfully. I can just see a reveal like in Gemini where Oliver is tied up somewhere--like in the Clark Obsession Room at the mansion.

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Here's the comic I was talking about. The guy with the red hair you see there is Lex Luthor II, a Lex clone that was created so Lex could survive cancer. His brain was transplanted into Lex Luthor II's body.

http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/340/supergirlandteamluthortsz3.jpg

[Tzvi]

This would be so awesome if it were true. Here's hoping it is and then the question is . . . where is the real Oliver?

Um.. out walking Shelby?

[skully]

Kudos, xray. I haven't seen the epi yet but have the gist of the epi from reading all the threads.

Sounds a great theory. :)

[Watching Smallville]

If Ollie is really Lex, then where's Oliver? It's a great idea.

[Kal El 12]

So why would lex send the toyman to try to kill oliver if oliver was lex???? I think you guys are digging alittle too deep

[superspider02]

that is an interesting theory, though i still think lex didnt really die in the truck and it was probably just a clone body decoy or just dna remains of a clone and the real lex was actually in a different location making everyone think he was in the one that blew, just like how lana blew up at end of season 6.

[xrayvision]

Kudos, xray. I haven't seen the epi yet but have the gist of the epi from reading all the threads.

Sounds a great theory. :)

Thanks. I just wish I was able to enjoy the entire episode. I will be carefully watching "Ollie's" actions in the next several episodes, looking for more signs that he is really Lex.

[Kcirtap41B]

This seems a little far fetched for my liking, but it's way better than anything I got. I immediately scratched my head when I saw Ollie with the K-ring. That's TRADEMARK Lex Luthor of the comics, and Ollie was pretty creepy this round.

[xrayvision]

If Ollie is really Lex, then where's Oliver? It's a great idea.

Hey nice to chat with you live again Watching Smallville! I guess he's captured somewhere.

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So why would lex send the toyman to try to kill oliver if oliver was lex???? I think you guys are digging alittle too deep

He could have had the Toyman reveal his plan to him and protect himself up by covering under the table, which he could have made sure was built of a special grade to withstand the bomb. There have been many things that turned out to be far more complex (like the season 5 plan to bring Zod back).

[doomvskal86]

Im more on the theory that the Lex in this ep was a clone and Oliver is just glad to have Lex gone but then again who knows?

[dru-zod2501]

Ollie has been acting strangely ever since he survived the events in Toxic (the one episode I didn't watch so far)

If I may steal an idea from the Batman mythos, I'm thinking of the Batman Beyond movie Return of the Joker, where the Joker kidnapped Robin, and implanted a microchip coded with Joker's genetic code. Sounds far fetched, but it allowed Joker to survive a generation after his old body was destroyed.

Given Lex's proclivity for tinkering with the laws of nature and often succeeding in breaking them, I would not be surprised if whoever poisoned Ollie implanted him with something. Lex might've concluded that Ollie was the closest compatible physical specimen to house his consciousness.

[Shadowlord367]

I would find this plot twist extremely redeeming.

In season six, I LOVED Oliver Green Arrow.

In season eight, I feel like they're paying him Kara's money so he can take his shirt off. And in this episode, I actually disliked him.

I have noticed that he's Oliver this year, I can't remember the last time he was actually the Green Arrow.

It would make sense though, Lex would never be Ollie-as-Green Arrow, he would just be Ollie.

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It would also be a good way to utilize the character of Ollie, and would also integrate Clark, Tess and Chloe.

Could Lex also play Oliver's past with Lois to his advantage in his vendetta against Clark? Oh, man. This is getting good. I hope this comes to fruition.

PS3 sure do have a few tricks up their sleeves.

[jedimorton21]

Maybe when the bomb went off at luthorcorp Oliver got injuried alot more than we think and Lex switched bodies with him somehow and when the trucker got blown up maybe it was a clone of lex or maybe even oliver somehow?

what do yall think of that idea?

[KryptonStones]

Idk, I'm starting to warm up to this....Lex Luthor's brain being in an Oliver Queen clone's body....I mean, that's something, as corny as it may be...I'd EXPECT to see in a comic book. It will also redeem SV's Green Arrow in my eyes.

[jedimorton21]

here is my theory:

When the bomb went off at Luthorcorp, the real Oliver Queen was taken off somewhere and a clone Oliver created by Lex is now the new Oliver think about it:

Lex now controls Luthorcorp (again)
Lex now controls Queen Ind.

Lex can get to Clark to figure out what he is up to and spy on him

and it would explain Olivers new attitude,

but it is just my idea

what do yall think?

[Justin Murad]

You may be right. Good theory. ;)

[Spirit Detective]

It would make sense since Oliver is now the CEO of Luthorcorp.

[fun_boy219]

I was thinking the same thing! When Oliver was talking to Cloie, I was thinking that he was acting similar to Lex

[Bre723]

weird and it might explain the ring, i wonder if it was the same ring as in Onyx.

[KryptonStones]

Pfft.....I am hoping for this plot twist......at least it will redeem SOME aspects of this episode in my eyes. Sounds like the perfect comic book plot

[Brizzle]

I was thinking the same thing that Lex was now in Olivers body.

[kknsp23]

i thought it was the real oliver who was in the explosion and he got abducted by lex, i was guessin lex prob cloned olivers bdy and used the explosion at lutercorp as a cover up

[TheAmazingApe]

It could be that, when Ollie went to kill Lex, Lex pulled a little switcheroo on him somehow, putting him away somewhere and using a clone so that the Ollie we see at the end is Lex. It would explain why "Ollie" is toying with a green K ring and smirking at a picture of Lex. Interesting theory. I wish rather than believe it to be true. I don't like Green Arrow as a remorseless killer.

[xrayvision]

Lex does have the ability to create a living clone as seen last season.

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It could be that, when Ollie went to kill Lex, Lex pulled a little switcheroo on him somehow, putting him away somewhere and using a clone so that the Ollie we see at the end is Lex. It would explain why "Ollie" is toying with a green K ring and smirking at a picture of Lex. Interesting theory. I wish rather than believe it to be true. I don't like Green Arrow as a remorseless killer.

If the real Oliver was in this episode, I'm guessing he was the one who walked in the boardroom. Then the bomb went off and the Lex-in-Oliver clone was the Ollie we saw for the rest of the episode.

But to me, it could have been the Lex-in-Oliver clone the entire episode.

[iluvSmallvilleandi'm24]

haha great theory.... plus in the scene where lex is telling clana to choose between themselves and the daily planet, there's a voice manipulator... could it be that it was oliver/lex talking to them??

However, if oliver is really a lex clone, why would lex(hospitalised one) want to kill him??

[cklookalike89]

Very interesting point. Could definitley see Lex switching bodies with Oliver

[xrayvision]

haha great theory.... plus in the scene where lex is telling clana to choose between themselves and the daily planet, there's a voice manipulator... could it be that it was oliver/lex talking to them??

However, if oliver is really a lex clone, why would lex(hospitalised one) want to kill him??

I'm a little confused by your question. I don't think Oliver is really a clone. I think Lex created a living clone of Oliver and had own his brain transplanted in the Oliver clone's body or did some sort of transference with the clone. Meanwhile, I think the Oliver clone's brain was put in Lex's old body and blown up by Lex to destroy all evidence. So Lex now is walking around in the body of the Oliver clone he created.

The real Oliver would have to be kidnapped. I'm guessing the real Oliver was either not seen in this episode or was the one who survived the bomb blast and was then kidnapped before being taken to the hospital so that the one we saw in the hospital was really Lex.

[MozartRequiem]

xrayvision, you are a genius! You just made my experience of this episode SOOOOO much better! I loved the episode, but was upset that Lex had been seemingly "killed". I mean, Lex is to Superman what Joker is to Batman. You can't just kill him, and if you did, it'd have to be way more dramatic than that. Opera playing, fire blazing all over the place, the works. So this theory totally makes sense..and OMG, the thought of Hartley's amazing acting skills doing the whole transference thing gets the actor/filmmaker in me excited!

I noticed the Lex-ism at the end when Ollie was looking at the photo of Lex and he did that little half-smile, half-contemplative face that Lex did at the end of "Onyx". But I never thought about the brain-swapping thing before.

Awesome stuff! :)

[xrayvision]

Thanks. By the way, TPTB happened to give this episode the same title that I gave my masterpiece of a fanfic that I plan to release once the ones before it are completed. It will be a while though until that happens due to a bunch of things that have a much higher priority now.

[MozartRequiem]

You're welcome! :) And whoa, that's awesome! I've always loved the word "Requiem" ever since they played Mozart's Requiem in "Covenent". Is your fanfic about the Luthors? Can't wait to read it! :)

[xrayvision]

It's a Smallville episode fanfic (a part of my fanfic version of season 7 that I started in 2006), but has a huge focus on the Luthors. And I can guarantee it won't disappoint.

[smallv17]

Lex is definately in Oliver's body.

WATCH CLOSELY HIS SCENE WITH CHLOE AT THE END.

The way he talks, the way he lowers his voice tone like he's threatening Chloe, how he seems to be manipulating her feelings towards Clark...

That was LEX in that scene I'm completely sure.

[Justin Murad]

I think our new Oliver is Lex. Somehow he swapped bodies with Oliver and be him. Real Oliver exploded in Lex' body in that truck. So, Oliver is dead, and Lex became the new CEO of Luthorcorp and Queen Endustries...

[princessdiana]

I was thinking something was up with this as well. Or, maybe Ollie is just holding onto that ring because he knows that Clark may come after him. He represents Batman on SV and in the comics Batman keeps a piece of Kryptonite on him just in case Supes gets out of hand.

[Justin Murad]

I was thinking something was up with this as well. Or, maybe Ollie is just holding onto that ring because he knows that Clark may come after him. He represents Batman on SV and in the comics Batman keeps a piece of Kryptonite on him just in case Supes gets out of hand.

Yeah, that's a good idea. But actually, killing a man and carrying a piece of meteor rock, that's not an Oliver habit. That's what would Lex do, if he's trying to destroy Clark.

[Kalista]

The implication of this theory, if true, has the potential to make me very happy.

[SGuthrie27]

Ummm... whoa. What an interesting theory. I never would've thought of it before, but it seems to be making perfect sense. I still think there's a possibility that the blown-up Lex was just a clone, but the Ollie = Lex angle is actually pretty plausible, especially considering the way he talked to Clark/Lana, how he blackmailed Chloe, the way he held the Kryptonite ring at the end of the episode... all very suspicious elements that could point to that theory being accurate.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[Jor-Fer]

A great theory but after rewatching the last scene with the ring I saw the injuries on Olli´s face whose means that it was him the one in the first scene at luthorcorp so I find weird the fact that Lex being Ollie appeared on that meeting knowing that a bomb was close to BANG.

[Rift]

I like this theory and how it fits with what we've seen, but I really doubt it.

[Iluvgreen]

Oliver isn't Lex!

[ywm]

i expected him to give Chloe an evil kiss

[Deana]

If this is true, when did we lose Oliver?

Did the archer believe it?

A question to Lana from an unknown person. Lana did you trade the archer for something and did you get swindled out of that something in the end?

[ChronX4]

If this is true, when did we lose Oliver?

Did you take care of the archer?

A question to Lana from an unknown person. Lana did you trade the archer for something and did you get swindled out of that something in the end?

I was wondering if that was ever explained.

[eas]

Huh... that's actually a pretty cool theory. I like it!

It would be nice if it worked out that way... but wouldn't it be a bit too much like the Bizarro arc w/ Clark?

[tyson08]

BrainIAC is Oliver! :lol:

[strmbldr317]

I apologize but I have to disagree with the OP and everyone else tonight he's digging just a little too deep. This is a terrible, terrible theory on many levels. Here are the reasons why:

1. Lex is way too megalomaniacal to want to be anyone but himself.
2. Lex had no way to kill off Oliver or hold him hostage long enough without Clark, Chloe or anyone from the Justice League getting involved.
2a. Perhaps Tess could've taken some of his DNA at some point, but she would never have gone for that kind of plan.
3. Lex has already cloned himself at some point. And I'm sure Belle Reeve has all the technology needed to transfer his mind and memories into his new body when needed.
4. The exo-suit was NEVER Lex's "final lifeline" according to Ollie. It was always meant to be used as a weapon and I'm quite sure the plans were in the works during the Veritas/Traveler storyline.
4. Lex manipulated everyone in to thinking the suit was his last chance because he knew of Lana's thirst for power; hence his attraction to her, and he knew that Ollie would try to kill him.
5. Lex simply used their desires against them. Lana's got all the power she wants, but she can't be with Clark. Lex knows that Ollie's not a killer and so that's going to wear heavily on Ollie's conscience and cause a growing rift between he and Clark

Here's what I think could happen:

-Lex is still Lex and when he comes back in his new Lex body:

-he's going to start Lexcorp because Luthorcorp is taken over or absorbed into Queen Industries
-assuming it was Lex in the box truck and not a clone, parts of his brain were damaged in the explosion and so they won't be able to transfer those parts of his memories regarding
Clark and his abilities.

[Albond17]

If this were true, the switching would had to have happened after Oliver's escape from the hospital.

Partly because I can not imagine Lex mocking the Toyman with such a snarky tone. And also because Oliver shot that pen thing at the monkey-bomb with the accuracy of the Green Arrow.

[skully]

After having now seen the epi, I don't think Lex is dead. Just because Chloe could track the IP address doesn't mean Lex was in the truck. Obviously Lex knew that Chloe and Clark were onto him, so he's planted some Lex DNA as forensic proof then had the truck blown up.

Lex will be back.

[xrayvision]

I think our new Oliver is Lex. Somehow he swapped bodies with Oliver and be him. Real Oliver exploded in Lex' body in that truck. So, Oliver is dead, and Lex became the new CEO of Luthorcorp and Queen Endustries...

I don't think the real Oliver is dead. I think he's out of commission somewhere and is being held by Lex as a bargaining tool for the future. I think the Ollie we saw was a clone that Lex created to inhabit before having his brain/essence transferred to a healthy, living clone of his own body once he fully emerges from hiding.

So my theory says that the Oliver Queen clone had his brain transferred into Lex's old body.

But picture this, that voice interpreter thing that covered "Lex's" mouth could have been there to hide what the Oliver Queen clone (in Lex's body) was really trying to say. What I mean is that he was really crying out for help, but because that thing was covering his mouth and speaking for him, he couldn't do anything about it. And Lex in the Oliver Queen clone's body blew him up and was the real culprit.

[curiosity]

Something's going on with the Oliver / Lex thing, but I have no idea what it could be.

[xrayvision]

A great theory but after rewatching the last scene with the ring I saw the injuries on Olli´s face whose means that it was him the one in the first scene at luthorcorp so I find weird the fact that Lex being Ollie appeared on that meeting knowing that a bomb was close to BANG.

I provided a variation of the theory explaining that the real Oliver could have been at the beginning of the episode in the boardroom and was then kidnapped after being KO'd from the bomb blast so that the Oliver in the rest of the episode was the Lex-in-Oliver clone.

[zorasuperman]

that could be possible
oliver was just totally un oliver like
i would rather PS3 go with this excuse more than anything else

[Hopefulsuicide]

It makes sense that Lex would want to be in Ollie's body. Close to Tess, controlling Luthorcorp under Ollie's name. And i did think the scene with Ollie and the ring was suspicious.

But i don't think either Ollie or Lex are dead, so i'm not really sure what my theory would be. There is definately something weird going on, but i have no idea what :lol:

[xrayvision]

I apologize but I have to disagree with the OP and everyone else tonight he's digging just a little too deep. This is a terrible, terrible theory on many levels. Here are the reasons why:

1. Lex is way too megalomaniacal to want to be anyone but himself.

Yes, but Lex is also very evil & devious and the strategic advantage he could get while being disguised as Oliver would be astronomical. He would know everything that Clark and perhaps the JLA (if he knows about Ollie being the Green Arrow) are up to. I tend to believe that the real Lex would never be sloppy enough to let Oliver kill him.


2. Lex had no way to kill off Oliver or hold him hostage long enough without Clark, Chloe or anyone from the Justice League getting involved.

I have to disagree here. Lex could have had the real Ollie scooped up while unconcious after the blast and then took his place. The JLA had no reason to suspect anything since Clark (if my theory is true) would have seen Oliver in the hospital bed, not thinking anything was wrong.

Also, notice how Oliver did not get dressed up as the Green Arrow when he went to kill "Lex" as he did in Bride. I'm guessing it's because it was Lex in the clone's body and he doesn't know that Oliver's the Green Arrow.


2a. Perhaps Tess could've taken some of his DNA at some point, but she would never have gone for that kind of plan.

Also, if Lex wanted to keep tabs on Tess after she turned on him, he would rely on a ventroliquist dummy as his primary means. Lex saw what Tess saw, which means Lex knew about the events in Toxic after Oliver confronted Tess. So again, Oliver would be perfect since he was right by Tess and Lex could have gotten his minions to grab a sample of his DNA either from someone from the island where Oliver was trapped, or the hospital.


3. Lex has already cloned himself at some point. And I'm sure Belle Reeve has all the technology needed to transfer his mind and memories into his new body when needed.

Well maybe not Belle Reve (since it's a sanitarium) but one of Lex's facilities would, but right now getting back into his own body would be dangerous since so many people are out to get him.


4. The exo-suit was NEVER Lex's "final lifeline" according to Ollie. It was always meant to be used as a weapon and I'm quite sure the plans were in the works during the Veritas/Traveler storyline.

Agreed here.


4. Lex manipulated everyone in to thinking the suit was his last chance because he knew of Lana's thirst for power; hence his attraction to her, and he knew that Ollie would try to kill him.

I don't think he counted on Lana doing what she did. In fact he definitely didn't want her to do that. He doesn't need 2 super enemies against him.


5. Lex simply used their desires against them. Lana's got all the power she wants, but she can't be with Clark. Lex knows that Ollie's not a killer and so that's going to wear heavily on Ollie's conscience and cause a growing rift between he and Clark

I have to say the same as I did above. There's no way Lex would want a super powered Lana just so he could break her & Clark up. He definitely wanted the "suit" for himself.


Here's what I think could happen:

-Lex is still Lex and when he comes back in his new Lex body:

-he's going to start Lexcorp because Luthorcorp is taken over or absorbed into Queen Industries

It is possible the Lex that was blown up was a clone or body double made to look like Lex was all battered and desperately hanging on for life.

As for the Lexcorp thing, I put it in my theory that when he returns, it will be Lexcorp since Luthorcorp seems to be destroyed in many aspects (physically & corporately).


-assuming it was Lex in the box truck and not a clone, parts of his brain were damaged in the explosion and so they won't be able to transfer those parts of his memories regarding
Clark and his abilities.

Well, there was really nothing but ashes left as seen when Clark picked them up, so I doubt it was really 100% Lex in that truck.

[the fatty]

Sorry but his theory come off as pure rubbish to me! Oliver has been in a bad mood ever sinse he found out lex killed his parent (or who ever the relations were). He has been wanting revenge ever sinse then...

There is no way lex can throw a needle like that! I dont think lex was in that truck, just some lab grown body parts made form his dna. we all know lex will be back, unless you missed superman! lol.

As for the person who said we havent seen the green arrow this season, what about when he met lana whilst trying to kill lex?

[Watching Smallville]

Oliver smiling at the broken photo of Lex at LuthorCorp headquarters and fingering that ring.... Something's afoot. It seems like more than Ollie gloating over a victory. We know Lex isn't dead.

[DAISHI]

I was thinking that Oliver was just being set up as the new rich boy bad guy. So, I can accommodate that into this theory with a high level of approval.

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And with the merger it puts him in control of even further resources, AND at the top of it all, with a level of disguise.

INGENIOUS!

Pull the trigger on this one!

[latingirl]

Maybe more than LEx is Olli... could olive be on Drugs again???? His behavior is less strong than before.. but it is erratic and dark like before plus in Bloodline they show a name of the Queen's proyect that looks more that the name of the drug in RAGE

[smithy698]

I think the idea that Ollie is a clone, and that the real Ollie has been abducted, is a great one. That scene with the ring was so strange - it has to be there for a reason.

The clone idea sets up so many possibilities, with Lex-as-Ollie able to wreak havoc with Clark and the League, the process of his exposure, and the search to find the real Ollie. This plot would actually have made a great season finale, with Lex-as-Ollie revealing himself to us on screen just as everyone else thinks all is well. What a great set up for Season Nine!

Having said all that, I suspect the more ordinary explanation is true i.e. Ollie's quest for revenge has taken him to a dark place. Whatever the case, that ring scene must have its payoff at some point, and its going to be close to the end of the season, given Ollie is only in Hex out of the remaining episodes we know anything about.

So intriguing - can't wait for the reveal!

[seara]

Ollie ?

Lex is for sure a true believer in True, Justice and Continuity. But not Oliie, more like a Bizzarre number out of Lana little playbook of tricks.


could olive be on Drugs again????

To a point of shameless flirting .

[t3000]

I think the scene with Oliver holding the ring was just Oliver reflecting on what happened and realizing that Lex really isn't dead. Somehow he has a gut feeling that Lex slipped away again.

[DAISHI]

I think the scene with Oliver holding the ring was just Oliver reflecting on what happened and realizing that Lex really isn't dead. Somehow he has a gut feeling that Lex slipped away again.

Besides the conceptual reasons I think Ollie could be Lex, look at the lighting in that cut to him. There's more there than just a sad Oliver. The light cuts away a lot of his face, downturned, looking slightly sinister.

This is why at first I thought oh, Oliver crossed a line and now he's becoming like Lex. Well what if that's because he actually is Lex?

[hopeless]

Besides the conceptual reasons I think Ollie could be Lex, look at the lighting in that cut to him. There's more there than just a sad Oliver. The light cuts away a lot of his face, downturned, looking slightly sinister.

This is why at first I thought oh, Oliver crossed a line and now he's becoming like Lex. Well what if that's because he actually is Lex?

Did they explain How Oliver even knew there was a bomb because there didn't seem anything to warn him BUT if he was actually Lex, he knew becuase he arranged it himself and ducked into cover knowing he would be the only survivor...

Video evidence would show he did try to warn the boardmembers and could epxlain the blast left him unable to remember what alerted him...

So can you explain this?

[xrayvision]

Sorry but his theory come off as pure rubbish to me! Oliver has been in a bad mood ever sinse he found out lex killed his parent (or who ever the relations were). He has been wanting revenge ever sinse then...

There is no way lex can throw a needle like that! I dont think lex was in that truck, just some lab grown body parts made form his dna. we all know lex will be back, unless you missed superman! lol.

As for the person who said we havent seen the green arrow this season, what about when he met lana whilst trying to kill lex?

Your last statement about him trying to kill Lex as the Green Arrow is what makes me think it wasn't Oliver. In that scene in Bride, Lana told him that he's better than that. And I think she got through to him because he went back to Smallville with her to attend the wedding rather than continuing to pursue Lex.

Also, it's possible that Lex found a way to create a clone that has Oliver's aim/archery skills. You could be right that a lab-grown clone or body parts could have been in the truck, but I'm hoping I'm right, because it would make for an awesome story and a great reveal, even better than Bizarro's reveal in Gemini.

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Did they explain How Oliver even knew there was a bomb because there didn't seem anything to warn him BUT if he was actually Lex, he knew becuase he arranged it himself and ducked into cover knowing he would be the only survivor...

Video evidence would show he did try to warn the boardmembers and could epxlain the blast left him unable to remember what alerted him...

So can you explain this?

Well, they said that the Toyman worked for Oliver. So Oliver seeing those balls start going on their own could have expected them to fit the MO of the Toyman.

But that's what gets me. If it was really Ollie, would his first suspicion be that of the Toyman? Maybe, but I'm not entirely sure.

Now if we instead assume that the Oliver that we see from the hospital scene through the rest of the episode is really a clone with Lex's brain inside, then it would have to be explained that Lex sent them on Toyman's trail. Lex would also have a strong feeling that Chloe would tell Clark was he (Lex-in-Oliver clone) was up to after blackmailing her to keep quiet. Which means that this was all Lex's intricate plan to 1) do away with his old body to eliminate the trail of those out to get him and to 2) contaminate Lana with kryptonite so that he could never be double teamed by her & Clark at the same time (plus to get his own revenge for her stealing the suit).

[highdro_pharmer]

I like this Lex-o-Lollie theory... kind of reminds me of Harvey Dent in the Dark Knight if you sort of view Ollie/Green Arrow as Metropolis' own white knight.

Lex would love nothing more than to slowly burn and poison everything that Ollie stands for, his second chance at toying with Clark's morals, with Clark trying to act as Ollie's personal saviour as he descends into darkness.

Clark (aka Mr. 'Red-Blue Blur') is reluctant to take up the hero mantle, much like Batman. Heck, I was waiting for Mr. Toyman, with his love of dynamite and general hijinx, to ask Ollie "why so serious?" and then proceed to "put a smile on that face..."

[xrayvision]

I like this Lex-o-Lollie theory... kind of reminds me of Harvey Dent in the Dark Knight if you sort of view Ollie/Green Arrow as Metropolis' own white knight.

Lex would love nothing more than to slowly burn and poison everything that Ollie stands for, his second chance at toying with Clark's morals, with Clark trying to act as Ollie's personal saviour as he descends into darkness.

Clark (aka Mr. 'Red-Blue Blur') is reluctant to take up the hero mantle, much like Batman. Heck, I was waiting for Mr. Toyman, with his love of dynamite and general hijinx, to ask Ollie "why so serious?" and then proceed to "put a smile on that face..."

It would also allow Lex to get revenge on his 2nd or 3rd most hated nemesis--Oliver. That would mean that he got Clark & Lana (his top 2 enemies) and now Ollie is next. It would be damn cool if it turns out to be true.

[xrayvision]

I'm rewatching the episode now and am taking notes:

1. The Toyman, who was working for Lex, blows up the Luthorcorp boardroom after Oliver shows up and stops the board from executing a no-confidence vote. Why would Toyman blow up Lex's company if he's working for Lex, just to kill Oliver? There has to be a much bigger motive here. By killing the boardroom members, taking an incapacitated Ollie hostage, and then replacing him by becoming an Oliver clone, Lex would commandeer both Luthorcorp & Queen Industries without Clark or anyone else suspecting. I also think Ollie would have been in critical condition after that blast, with bits of kryptonite possibly embedded in his skin.

It is also possible that a Lex-as-Oliver clone was the Oliver who walked into that meeting and that Ollie had already been abducted beforehand, because I find it too convenient that Tess was not present in such an important meeting. Therefore if Lex is in an Oliver Queen clone, he could have ordered a fake meeting unknown to Tess and had the board killed after replacing Oliver with himself so that when Tess returns, she wouldn't suspect anything.

2. "Oliver's" line to Lana about "if Lex would go after anyone, it would be her due to her theft of the suit" sounded very much like one of Lionel's lines from Transference when he was in Clark's body. Specifically, it sounded like Lionel-in-Clark as he mentioned everything that Lex owned (from the Scotch to the very cufflinks in his shirt)---as if Ollie knew too much info than he should have (just like in Lex's POV, Clark, before Lex found out it was really Lionel, knew more than he should have about the Scotch, cufflinks, and ultimately the bank account). I definitely sense a strong whiff of the hospital bed Oliver being Lex with that conversation.

3. We see Toyman talking to Lex as he talks to that ventriloquist doll. But is the injured Lex they show the real Lex? Also, notice how they don't specifically show a screen in front of the injured Lex. It could be that Lex as Oliver was getting that feed. It may even be possible that Lex is actually inside the real Oliver while the real Oliver is inside Lex, forced to inhabit Lex's injured body while Lex parades around as him and steals everything he can while making Oliver notorious and blackmailing Clark's friends and ruining everyone's lives. If this is true, then the Lex DNA that was found by the truck remains could have been planted by Lex's men.

4. Skeptics to this theory would ask what the purpose was to the scene in the hospital room where Toyman tried to kill Oliver with the toy monkey. The explanation is that it was a show because there were most likely cameras in the room and Lex wanted to make it look as convincing as possible. Heck, we saw Chloe watching footage of "Oliver" leaving the room with the toy monkey. More evidence of this are the balloons that Toyman brought with him. If Oliver was supposed to die in an explosion after being handcuffed, then why did Toyman bring the balloons with the knockout gas? Because it was his way to get out of the room in case he encountered resistance. Notice also how Oliver didn't write a message to the doctor to have Toyman arrested, or didn't call the cops at a pay phone/with a cellphone after escaping the hospital. Not very Oliver Queen-like to let a very dangerous criminal go free like that.

5. The scene with the explosion showed a short shot of "Lex's" face with an explosion flaring in front of it. I'm guessing that "Lex" was in front of a screen showing the truck explode and the flare we saw was a reflection from the screen and not the actual explosion. Therefore, if Ollie is really in Lex, he would have survived and is locked away somewhere.

6. The next thing I will mention is that scene where Ollie & Chloe talk. What motive would the real Oliver Queen of all people have to look through hospital surveillance videos so he could find the murder of Sebastian Kane to blackmail Chloe with? If Oliver found out that Chloe, while being inhabited by Brainiac, killed Sebastian, he would have told Clark since his main argument back then was for Clark to do something to rid Chloe of her Brainiac powers. Something that big would have made him go straight to Clark to prove his point and force Clark to act. The real Oliver would never do that. He doesn't have time to view all those videos. But guess who does have the time to view all sorts of footage, and who has been doing pretty much nothing but watching everyone since the start of the season, and who had a reason to keep tabs on Chloe? You guessed it---Lex. His "Now that Lex is gone, you can't tell me you're not relieved" quote is something that Lex would definitely say if he was in Oliver's body. Lionel said something very similar to this line to Chloe in Transference in that scene where they were both at the Torch.

7. The final scene I will mention is the one where "Oliver" looks at the shattered photo of Lex and has the kryptonite ring in his hand. It literally looks like Lex-in-Oliver is looking at his temporarily former life (until he reclaims it in the near future) and reflecting his upcoming plans. Oliver's face is showing a faint sign of a sinister grin, very similar to the one Lex had at the very end of Onyx after Lionel left. The most telling sign of all was the kryptonite ring, which he obviously plans to use against Clark, especially if Chloe tells him. My biggest question here is, how the hell would Oliver know where, out of all places, Lex keeps his kryptonite ring with the embedded Luthor family crest? Tess obviously didn't know where Lex kept it because she knew nothing about kryptonite being the weakness of Kryptonians. So she couldn't have told Oliver. There was only 1 person who knew where to find that ring, and it was Lex himself.

Based on the above analysis, the possibility that Lex is inside either Oliver himself or a living breathing Oliver clone is very high. I would say it's more than likely that he is Oliver now. At least I'm convinced he is.

[bor-el]

the clone idea is played out. it was bad enought grant, lana, clark and now perhaps lex were all cloned at one point.

stupid.

[xrayvision]

the clone idea is played out. it was bad enought grant, lana, clark and now perhaps lex were all cloned at one point.

stupid.

It's not stupid at all. It was done very nicely in the comics, though it was Lex who was cloned. What's cool is that the theory has multiple paths, one that doesn't even involve a clone where Lex just switched bodies/brains with Oliver and planted DNA in the truck to throw everyone off.

[Kevin24]

Why wouldn't he just kill Oliver ? Why kidnap and keep him alive?

[xrayvision]

Why wouldn't he just kill Oliver ? Why kidnap and keep him alive?

Knowing Lex, he'd want to destroy Oliver's reputation and then return to being Lex Luthor and give Oliver his own life back after ruining it.

[zHeN_zHeN]

Wow, that would be a crazy-ass twist!

[tj_powers]

nah not a fan of this one. that would only mean that justin was only put on the cast to replace lex and not pursue as his own character. So i really do hope they dont do it as you think. It does sound interesting but that only leaves us since when has he REALLY been him and with Brainiac being chloe already this season... it would be too much.

[Kschreck]

I got a crazy theory that Lex had his doctors clone Ollie just like he made Julian/Grant Gabriel. Ollie was very un-Ollie like in this episode. That ring at the end of the episode just seemed to tell the real story that Lex is an Oliver clone.

For this to be possible, he had to have performed some sort of transference, or moved his brain into the Oliver Queen clone body. It happened in the comics when Lex had cancer and had to save himself.

So I think Lex created a living Ollie clone, transferred brains (or perhaps bodies using the same type of Kryptonian technology as seen in the stones) and set up/brainwashed the Ollie clone to act as Lex so that he could kill him with the bomb and eliminate the chance of anyone else coming after him until he's back to being the real Lex.

So I think Lex will parade around as Oliver for a while and eventually clone his own body and have his brain/soul transferred into it.

I don't think it was a coincidence that Ollie happened to acquire Luthorcorp and kill all the board members. I think that was Lex's doing and that when he returns he will rename it Lexcorp, if Luthorcorp even exists anymore.


I don't think the producers would do such a plot. I think it would be to hard to follow. On top of that, we see Green Arrow in scenes from future episodes as well as Chloe as the Watchtower and there just isn't any indication of Oliver really being Lex. Not to mention that Oliver gives Clark something to help him combat Doomsday. Lex would never help Clark out today.

[XLex]

No i dont think that's the case here..but your theory is really good!I am pretty sure it was a clone and the question everybody is asking is "Where the hell is Lex if he is alive"
Well my theory is that Lex wants the world to belive that he's dead!He killed Lionel,Lana hates him and has powers now,Green Arow want's to kill him and took control of Luthorcorp..it's obvios that Lex wants revenge..on Crark especely for betraying him(Lex thinks he was betrayed by Clark and not the other way around).
Now everybody thinks that Lex lost everything that he had,the money,Luthorcorp,his mantion everything!Not true.Remember when Lionel was in prison and Lex took control over Luthorcorp and left Lionel without even a place to live,Lionel stayed at mantion under excuse that he is broke...season 5 we see the old Lionel back living in his penthouse ofice in Luthorcorp and being the old good(bad)rich Lionel.So if Lionel was able to manipulate Lex to think he is poor just so that he could keep an eye on Lex,than why wouldn't Lex be able to do the same thing(similar at least)Even if they knew he was alive they would all think "Hey Lex doesnt's have all that bilions and power now he's not a threat enymore".And im pretty sure that in season 10 we'r goona see Lex back in Metropolis as the CEO and founder of LEXCORP!
Now i dont know what the producers have in mind for Lex but im sure that if Tess survives she will join Lex and things are going to get really enteresting!