View Full Version : Why Accepting Clois will be extremely Easy now!
Dresden
02-05-2009, 07:51 PM
I will start off by quoting something that a fellow cloiser wisely stated:
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The thing to remember about Lana Lang and her relationship with Clark Kent is that it is consistent throughout every single incarnation of Superman we have (from the comics, to the movies, to television).
How is it consistent?
It always ends.
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Another member stated the following and I had to add it:
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Soulmates are bound to be together, not separated from each other.
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Tonight people are getting angry and saying things like, “How can clois ever exist after all this?” The answer is not only obvious but very easy to explain.
Clois *will* live on, and Clois *will* replace Clana.
Why? How?
Let’s look at it this way:
1) Lana Lang slept with Lex Luthor and preferred him over Clark Kent. (season 6)
2) Lana Lang slept with Bizarro and preferred him over Clark. (season 7)
Yet in season 8 we are expected to believe that Lana Lang truly loves Clark Kent? And that Clark Kent loves Lana too? LOL. Yeah right!
If you can swallow the B.S listed above, then why not clois?
The only thing that clana has over clois is eight years of BS! Lana fans have stated, // Lois will never have what Lana had! // Lol. What exactly does Lana have right now? The complete hatred of millions of people?
Over the past 8 years Lana has been metaphorically and literally raped. She has been toyed with and tossed around from man to man. She has no identity. No true passion. Nothing. Her character has no self respect and believes that the only way to be someone’s equal is by possessing super powers. This is Lana Lang in SV. Who would ever want a similar fate for Lois Lane? Lol.
No thank you! Cloisers value Lois Lane and don’t want her reduced to a pathetic heap of garbage.
So will clois ever be clana? No way! But that's a good thing! LOL
So Lana fans, I hope you enjoyed this little arc because it's all you're getting.
Clana is officially dead and Smallville and Clois will live on!
VisionGirl
02-05-2009, 07:53 PM
So... we should accept Clois because the show has... fed us stupider ****?
Maybe they should try writing a decent plotline. That'd be a nice change.
SmallvilleMan
02-05-2009, 07:55 PM
:rolleyes: Hmmm, looks like [MOD EDIT]
Loisdragon
02-05-2009, 07:57 PM
lol
KEakaCK
02-05-2009, 07:57 PM
I just didn't like how the writers had Clark dismiss Lois after their almost kiss...He should of showed more respect for Lois.
thehenry89
02-05-2009, 07:59 PM
I will start off by quoting something that a fellow cloiser wisely stated:
********************************************
The thing to remember about Lana Lang and her relationship with Clark Kent is that it is consistent throughout every single incarnation of Superman we have (from the comics, to the movies, to television).
How is it consistent?
It always ends.
********************************************
Tonight people are getting angry and saying things like, “How can clois ever exist after all this?” The answer is not only obvious but very easy to explain.
Clois *will* live on, and Clois *will* replace Clana.
Why? How?
Let’s look at it this way:
1) Lana Lang slept with Lex Luthor and preferred him over Clark Kent. (season 6)
2) Lana Lang slept with Bizarro and preferred him over Clark. (season 7)
Yet in season 8 we are expected to believe that Lana Lang truly loves Clark Kent? And that Clark Kent loves Lana too? LOL. Yeah right!
If you can swallow the B.S listed above, then why not clois?
The only thing that clana has over clois is eight years of BS! Lana fans have stated, // Lois will never have what Lana had! // Lol. What exactly does Lana have right now? The complete hatred of millions of people?
Over the past 8 years Lana has been metaphorically and literally raped. She has been toyed with and tossed around from man to man. She has no identity. No true passion. Nothing. Her character has no self respect and believes that the only way to be someone’s equal is by possessing super powers. This is Lana Lang in SV. Who would ever want a similar fate for Lois Lane? Lol.
No thank you! We actually value Lois Lane and don’t want her reduced to a pathetic heap of garbage.
So will clois ever be clana? No way! But that's a good thing! LOL
So Lana fans, I hope you enjoyed this little arc because it's all you're getting.
Clana is officially dead and Smallville and Clois will live on!
I agree with everything you said, but right now i'm upset.
jmf1977
02-05-2009, 08:02 PM
I just didn't like how the writers had Clark dismiss Lois after their almost kiss...He should of showed more respect for Lois.
I agree with this...I just wish TPTB could have put Lois in some of these episodes. Lana and Lois do not have to interact but it would have been nice to at least keep her around. I do not totally buy the fact that Chloe can be back in Metropolis/SV (once again being Clark's brain) and Lois is still MIA. I think it was a poor choice to have Lois not in a couple of these episodes.
Nerwen Aldarion
02-05-2009, 08:02 PM
I agree with everything you said, optimism is a good thing and when Lois shows up the Clois fans (including me) will be happy again. Clois will grow stronger BECAUSE it isn't Clana, Lois isn't going to break up, get back together, break up, get back together....etc then sleep with two different people and consistently try to best Clark.
Remember in the comics how when Lana ignites all the kryptonite on earth and nearly kills all the kryptonians because Clark won't love her, Clark tells her the reason he loves Lois more is becuase Lois never would've pushed that button...SV is proving Lana is capable of pushing that button.
Now it's time for Clark to realize the girl who won't.
Dresden
02-05-2009, 08:02 PM
This was an insert to please certain groups of people. It's Spaghetti cat. It came out of no where, made absolutely no sense to what came prior to it, and and now that it is over, mark my words: it will be forgotten faster than yesterday's old news! :)
I'm forgetting already.
Lana who?
LOL.
psyko69
02-05-2009, 08:02 PM
Truth be told, Clark's continued desire and love for Lana is also in the comics.
It isn't that he stops loving Lana, its just that he gradually comes to love Lois more.
He moves on. We just gotta give it time.
Timester
02-05-2009, 08:03 PM
:rolleyes: Hmmm, looks like hater........
Craig banned people for that last week, so don't start it.
Here is the thread: http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119320
Dresden
02-05-2009, 08:04 PM
:rolleyes: Hmmm, looks like hater........
Wasn't there some kind of new rule about not using the word "hater" every single time you don't agree with someone?
----- Added 34 Seconds later -----
ETA: Bruno beat me to it.
Timester
02-05-2009, 08:06 PM
Anyway, back to topic.
You want the silver line? Clana never happened, it was deleted tonight. Lana is the girl Clark can't have, the same has Pilot. So, now he will find the one he can have and is destined to be with. Soulmates are bound to be together, not separated from each other.
morrigan01
02-05-2009, 08:07 PM
Yeah, uhm, the problem is - Clark STILL wanted to be with Lana even after all of that. He Still Wanted To Be With Lana after she slept (and married) Lex. He Still Wanted To Be With Lana after she slept with Bizarro and didn't know the difference between him and Clark.
The Clark and Lana relationship has pretty much been a masochistic one on Clark's part since season six. Honestly, the Bizarro thing SHOULD have ended it once and for all. But he went right back. I'm willing to bet money if Lana had been infected with BLUE Kryptonite, he would have stayed with her. After all, he wouldn't be killed if it was blue k-nite, he's just be stripped of his powers! :rolleyes:
What I've gotten out of the Clana relationship - after 8 years - is that no matter what Lana has done, or would do, Clark Kent is a total masochistic and willing to take Lana back NO MATTER WHAT. :rolleyes:
melissan02
02-05-2009, 08:09 PM
Anyway, back to topic.
You want the silver line? Clana never happened, it was deleted tonight. Lana is the girl Clark can't have, the same has Pilot. So, now he will find the one he can have and is destined to be with. Soulmates are bound to be together, not separated from each other.
Timester, with that single line you have just given me the strength to go on!!! That's profound!! You've just become my favorite k-site member!!:D:D:D:D
SGuthrie27
02-05-2009, 08:10 PM
Yeah, morrigan01, you had some really well-put points there. What's most disturbing is how many times Clark came crawling back to Lana. I really wish they hadn't thrown everything back into a full-blown Clana romance. I would've liked to seen some more platonic interaction between the two of them, and to have more input and reactions from and interactions with Lois. That would've made things far more interesting, and maybe it would've helped open Clark's eyes a little more to the alternative that he will one day come to cherish so much.
I agree that it's great that we can finally move on to Clois, but I wish that Clana had ended because it was a mutual decision on their part for their OWN reasons, and not just because Lana became a walking piece of kryptonite. Ugh... again.
--SGuthrie ><>' :)--
netlynn
02-05-2009, 08:10 PM
What exactly does Lana have right now? The complete hatred of millions of people?
I find this to be very offensive! And I'm not even going to comment on what I *want* to say in return.
Clana is officially dead and Smallville and Clois will live on!
Yes, the Clana that existed on Smallville might be dead in the sense they can't be together any longer, but how can knowing that Lois will always be Clark's second choice give you any comfort?? The way they left this is that Clark will always love Lana and them being apart is something neither of them chose but were instead given to save the better good. If I were a Clois fan that wouldn't sit well with me. There will never been a connection that Clana had, at least not on Smallville. Clois may live on but it will always be an after thought and a runner-up prize to what Clark truly wanted.
Dyanara
02-05-2009, 08:11 PM
Although Lois is Clark's wife in the future, I will always root against them in this show. Now if Im watching Justice League or Lois*Clark the New Adventures of Superman, thats a different story.
Kid Collins
02-05-2009, 08:12 PM
Yeah, it will be easier to accept Clois because Lana is gone now. :lol:
Lois has no more competition.
susangail
02-05-2009, 08:12 PM
Yeah, uhm, the problem is - Clark STILL wanted to be with Lana even after all of that. He Still Wanted To Be With Lana after she slept (and married) Lex. He Still Wanted To Be With Lana after she slept with Bizarro and didn't know the difference between him and Clark.
The Clark and Lana relationship has pretty much been a masochistic one on Clark's part since season six. Honestly, the Bizarro thing SHOULD have ended it once and for all. But he went right back. I'm willing to bet money if Lana had been infected with BLUE Kryptonite, he would have stayed with her. After all, he wouldn't be killed if it was blue k-nite, he's just be stripped of his powers! :rolleyes:
What I've gotten out of the Clana relationship - after 8 years - is that no matter what Lana has done, or would do, Clark Kent is a total masochistic and willing to take Lana back NO MATTER WHAT. :rolleyes:
Amen to all of that. And Clark apparently didn't learn a blessed thing. He was forcibly weaned.
Dresden
02-05-2009, 08:12 PM
Anyway, back to topic.
You want the silver line? Clana never happened, it was deleted tonight. Lana is the girl Clark can't have, the same has Pilot. So, now he will find the one he can have and is destined to be with. Soulmates are bound to be together, not separated from each other.
Amen!
<center> SOULMATES ARE BOUND TO BE TOGETHER, NOT SEPARATED FROM EACH OTHER
</center> Better words have never been spoken!
Guys, there is no media in which Lana and Clark have ever made it to the end. Never, ever! And Smallville didn't become the first. Thank god!
I mean, on a purely personal level it just makes me feel so good that even in a show that had everything set up for Clana to succeed (a story pre-superman, a story written by people obviously obsessed with Lana) and Clana still didn't become end game!!!
That makes me grin. That makes me happy. And no not necessarily as an SV-Cloiser, but as a general cloiser.
Because I like to keep on saying: Lana Lang is NEVER end game for Clark Kent. Never. Never.
Hehe. :)
madcatlady
02-05-2009, 08:12 PM
This was an insert to please certain groups of people. It's Spaghetti cat. It came out of no where, made absolutely no sense to what came prior to it, and and now that it is over, mark my words: it will be forgotten faster than yesterday's old news! :)
I'm forgetting already.
Lana who?
LOL.
Spaghetti cat...perfect!
I_am_LEX
02-05-2009, 08:15 PM
You know, thinking about it... this seems like the only way to truly end the relationship. I mean, he doesn't want to let her go because she accepts him for who he is and he's afraid he won't ever find that again... he doesn't know that Lois will yet, how could he? We know only because of the comics and all that... but from his point of view, how could there be anyone else? Eventually he will see. Now because of this, he will protect his identity from people so that anyone besides Lex wont go after the people he loves the most. Lex thinks he did this for the right reasons i'd imagine. To push Clark towards his destiny and being a hero... the whole keeping Lana and Clark apart was an added bonus.
I'm not sure when "infamous" is gonna be on, but that will be the start of the whole Lois/Superman thing... even though Clark isn't Superman yet, the implications are there with the interaction and the suit he'll prly be wearing... something Oliver cooks up I'd imagine. Lets just forget about Lana now and focus on Lois, since we all know she's the one.
KryptonStones
02-05-2009, 08:15 PM
I agree with everything netlynn said. This, Clois, is one of the best, one of the most classical romances in comic book history. Not MANY super heroes, tat I'm aware of, have a relationship with another man/woman that's so heavily depicted and embedded in comic continuity. The only person I can think of, right now, is Spider-Man's relationship with MJ. And now....in just..how many was it? FOUR, FIVE episodes...PS3 have managed to SMOTHER this classic relationship....with their CRAP. With their LANA fetish. And now they have made this Clois, something that's supposed to be legendary, a freakin' fluke because Lana Lang became...what....true kryptonite.....what the HELL is wrong with these people? I've never felt the need to rant like this before but...my God I hafta pull a Christian Bale on this one.
unfocused
02-05-2009, 08:15 PM
Personally, I don't see what's wrong with showing us how much Clark can love a woman. He can obviously love a woman pretty darn good :)
And he's going to need to be strong in that area when it comes to loving Lois.
So the fact that Clark loves Lana SO MUCH is just telling all the Cloisers that HE WILL LOVE LOIS RIGHT.
I love that Clark loves Lana this much. It proves to me that he is capable of loving someone and putting that person ahead of even himself. And there will be plenty of times when he will need to put Lois ahead of himself. And there will be plenty of times when he will need to love Lois a whole lot to put up with her :p
melissan02
02-05-2009, 08:16 PM
Yeah, it will be easier to accept Clois because Lana is gone now. :lol:
Lois has no more competition.
And she never will again!;) In no media of the Superman mythos are Lana and Clark together...NONE, NADA! Smallville is falling EXACTLY in line with that as well.;) Lana and Clark don't end up together on Smallville either. They're done, finished.
6-Super-Man -5
02-05-2009, 08:16 PM
Yeah, it will be easier to accept Clois because Lana is gone now. :lol:
Lois has no more competition.
Yeah, for sure. :lol:
Unless Lana loses her powers, which she will, not sure when though.
Dresden
02-05-2009, 08:21 PM
<center>The Clana arc was Spaghetti Cat!!
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<center> http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6441/spaghettiky7.gif</center>
For those of you who don't know about Spaghetti Cat, its just this funny thing that happened during a morning show when out of the blue a picture of a cat eating spaghetti showed up. No one talked about it before or after. It just literally popped into the screen and then no one ever mentioned it! Lol. People watching were confused and then suddenly it took a life of it's own as people started making fun of the photo (of the cat eating spaghetti).
Now Spaghetti cat even has it's own song! t-shirt! and website! LOL!!! And of course, it is now forever tied to the clana //spaghetti cat// arc!!
PS: the gif isn't mine but I thought it was so funny I had to post it here! ;)
Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMyHuCVaRaE
and the funny Spaghetti Cat, I weep for you! song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXHqoPHZCUM
SmallvilleMan
02-05-2009, 08:24 PM
Craig banned people for that last week, so don't start it.
Here is the thread: http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=119320
Are you trying to be a mod again? tsk tsk:rolleyes:
netlynn
02-05-2009, 08:25 PM
The Clana arc was Spaghetti Cat!!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
tbird4u
02-05-2009, 08:25 PM
:rotfl: this is the best thread of the whole night... I agree with all of it
Timester
02-05-2009, 08:28 PM
Are you trying to be a mod again? tsk tsk:rolleyes:
What? I was just trying warning you for your own good, that you might missed Craig's last week thread. :\
celita
02-05-2009, 08:29 PM
hahah the spaghetti Cat..clana ita spreading!!!!
Dresden
02-05-2009, 08:30 PM
Cloisers who are sad, can sing along with me!
Spaghetti cat, cat, cat, cat, cat, cat, cat....
Spaghetti cat, cat, cat, cat, cat, cat, cat....
Spaghetti cat, cat, cat, cat, cat, cat, cat....
Spaghetti cat, I weep for you
Spaghetti cat, it's all I can do
Spaghetti cat, to keep from fallin' apart
Spaghetti cat, 'cause you're breakin' my heart
[spoken]
Oh yeah, when I first saw you on that daytime TV show
Sitting behind that plate of spaghetti
I knew that you were no ordinary cat
Haters will hate on you
And make negative comments
Such as, that cat looks scared
And a cat should not be eating spaghetti
But you just keep on eating that spaghetti
Because you will always be...
Spaghetti cat, I weep for you
Spaghetti cat, it's all I can do
Spaghetti cat, to keep from fallin' apart
Spaghetti cat, 'cause you're breakin' my heart
Spaghetti cat!
Lexgirl33
02-05-2009, 08:30 PM
Keep this thread on topic please.
MetropolisGirl4SV
02-05-2009, 08:36 PM
Cloisers who are sad, can sing along with me!
Spaghetti cat, cat, cat, cat, cat, cat, cat....
Spaghetti cat, cat, cat, cat, cat, cat, cat....
Spaghetti cat, cat, cat, cat, cat, cat, cat....
Spaghetti cat, I weep for you
Spaghetti cat, it's all I can do
Spaghetti cat, to keep from fallin' apart
Spaghetti cat, 'cause you're breakin' my heart
[spoken]
Oh yeah, when I first saw you on that daytime TV show
Sitting behind that plate of spaghetti
I knew that you were no ordinary cat
Haters will hate on you
And make negative comments
Such as, that cat looks scared
And a cat should not be eating spaghetti
But you just keep on eating that spaghetti
Because you will always be...
Spaghetti cat, I weep for you
Spaghetti cat, it's all I can do
Spaghetti cat, to keep from fallin' apart
Spaghetti cat, 'cause you're breakin' my heart
Spaghetti cat!
:lol: Thanks I think we need this now...
Carolina87
02-05-2009, 08:38 PM
Yeah, it will be easier to accept Clois because Lana is gone now. :lol:
Lois has no more competition.
Honey, Lois was never competing :p;)
redeem147
02-05-2009, 08:41 PM
I really, really don't believe in soulmates. I believe in people working on relationships that are flawed by nature of them being human.
As far as a being a TV watcher go, I tend to invest in ships that I find more interesting to watch, in characters that have a little spice to their chemistry.
Personally, I did not get that from the Clark and Lana relationship.
Timester
02-05-2009, 08:43 PM
I really, really don't believe in soulmates. I believe in people working on relationships that are flawed by nature of them being human.
Nor do I. But if people like to use it to justify their ships, then they have to use it right.
DWBSR620
02-05-2009, 08:48 PM
Lana Lang was one of the worst written character in the show as has been stated. She has always defined herself by the person she's with, and that changed every season/ Her consistency has been pathetic. When with Clark she despised Lex, and when with Lex she despised Clark. When Lana was with someone other than Clark or Lex she harbored animosity with both. She went from being good to being bad, and vice versa. But the coup d’état of the Lana once again changing Lana is that they've actually given her superpowers so she could be co Superman a la Super Lang. They have had to make her into one of the most identity confused individual coming and going. This was just bad how they wrote her out of the show with this arc that served to undo the great work they did in the first 10 episodes. Take care.
Peace To All :cool:
Dresden
02-05-2009, 08:57 PM
Seriously, every time I think of Lana now I keep on hearing SPAGHETTI CAT, CAT, CAT in my head. LOL. I really think that the universe sent this out for us cloisers to use as catharsis. I mean it makes me giggle so damn much.
Lana Lang is goooooooooooooooooooooooooone!!!
I'll give everyone exactly 48 hours to calm down. And then it's party time!!!
Alania
02-05-2009, 09:01 PM
^^^^Dresden, i am calm now, we just need Lois back now to get Clark back on track!!!!!!!! For Lana, he pines, for Lois, he lives!!!!!!
Carolina87
02-05-2009, 09:10 PM
Seriously, every time I think of Lana now I keep on hearing SPAGHETTI CAT, CAT, CAT in my head. LOL. I really think that the universe sent this out for us cloisers to use as catharsis. I mean it makes me giggle so damn much.
Lana Lang is goooooooooooooooooooooooooone!!!
I'll give everyone exactly 48 hours to calm down. And then it's party time!!!
ROFL :lol: I'm all ready doing the Rumba!! and playing that hot Jam "Spaghetti Cat, cat, cat"
Dresden
02-05-2009, 09:13 PM
So I'm quoting myself below just because I think people need to hear this and think rationally about Requiem:
Why is Lana Lang so special right now? LOL. Because I don't see it.
Do we all remember Alicia Baker? Yeah, Clark Kent was totally in love with her, lusted after her and even proposed and married her! Yeah, he was under the red-k influence but that doesn't change Clark, it just makes him less inhibited. So Clark Kent literally marries the woman! And they are so in love but things keep on getting in the way. At the end, no one believes in Alicia except for Clark Kent. What he feels for her is described by him as very unique. //She makes me feel special and normal at the same time.// He cried tears for her when their relationship wasn't working and then sobbed like I've never seen a man sob in my life when she was dead.
Alicia Baker and Clark Kent were separated not by choice but by death.
So did Lana Lang become his second choice then? Clark never thought of Lana while he was with Alicia. And who could blame him! Alicia may have been homicidal but the woman was not only beautiful but she made Clark feel like a god (and that had nothing to do with his powers!).
In the comics, Clark Kent proposes to Lori Lemaris. They are in love and older than Clark and Lana are right now. They are in college, mature, and with relationships under their belts. Yet Lori cannot marry Clark because one thing is standing in their way, and it isn't lack of love. It's the fact that Lori Lemaris is a mermaid. This is something that she has NO control over. So Lori and Clark end. Is Lois Lane then Clark Kent's second choice in the comics?
No!!!
If this were true, that would mean that every single person who has ever been in love and been left by that love (either because of cheating or some other circumstance other than the person choosing to leave) will never find another love again. And that is BS! It's rare for people to end up with their first love. It happens, but it's very, very rare. People think when they are in love in high school that what they are feeling is everything. Then they meet someone else, feel something greater and BAAAAMMM!! They realize that what they felt in the past was NOTHING compared to what they feel now.
People last years and years married to each other. Then fall out of love and find someone else. Is the second love not true love? Many people would disagree.
My point is I don't care if Clark had returned to Lana a million times in the past. That doesn't mean that he will never be able to love another woman. And it certainly doesn't mean that the love he feels will not be true.
In the end, a true love is one that lasts!!
Has Clana ever lasted? NO!! </B> So we just need to take a step back and calm down. This whole "love that could not be" thing is not original by any means. And it doesn't make the stink garbage that was clana *special*. Guys, think about it. Can anything make clana special? I mean that train wreck is something I wouldn't wish on an enemy. Lol.
darthcow
02-05-2009, 09:29 PM
So I'm quoting myself below just because I think people need to hear this and think rationally about Requiem:
Why is Lana Lang so special right now? LOL. Because I don't see it.
Do we all remember Alicia Baker? Yeah, Clark Kent was totally in love with her, lusted after her and even proposed and married her! Yeah, he was under the red-k influence but that doesn't change Clark, it just makes him less inhibited. So Clark Kent literally marries the woman! And they are so in love but things keep on getting in the way. At the end, no one believes in Alicia except for Clark Kent. What he feels for her is described by him as very unique. //She makes me feel special and normal at the same time.// He cried tears for her when their relationship wasn't working and then sobbed like I've never seen a man sob in my life when she was dead.
Alicia Baker and Clark Kent were separated not by choice but by death.
So did Lana Lang become his second choice then? Clark never thought of Lana while he was with Alicia. And who could blame him! Alicia may have been homicidal but the woman was not only beautiful but she made Clark feel like a god (and that had nothing to do with his powers!).
In the comics, Clark Kent proposes to Lori Lemaris. They are in love and older than Clark and Lana are right now. They are in college, mature, and with relationships under their belts. Yet Lori cannot marry Clark because one thing is standing in their way, and it isn't lack of love. It's the fact that Lori Lemaris is a mermaid. This is something that she has NO control over. So Lori and Clark end. Is Lois Lane then Clark Kent's second choice in the comics?
No!!!
If this were true, that would mean that every single person who has ever been in love and been left by that love (either because of cheating or some other circumstance other than the person choosing to leave) will never find another love again. And that is BS! It's rare for people to end up with their first love. It happens, but it's very, very rare. People think when they are in love in high school that what they are feeling is everything. Then they meet someone else, feel something greater and BAAAAMMM!! They realize that what they felt in the past was NOTHING compared to what they feel now.
People last years and years married to each other. Then fall out of love and find someone else. Is the second love not true love? Many people would disagree.
My point is I don't care if Clark had returned to Lana a million times in the past. That doesn't mean that he will never be able to love another woman. And it certainly doesn't mean that the love he feels will not be true.
In the end, a true love is one that lasts!!
Has Clana ever lasted? NO!! </B> So we just need to take a step back and calm down. This whole "love that could not be" thing is not original by any means. And it doesn't make the stink garbage that was clana *special*. Guys, think about it. Can anything make clana special? I mean that train wreck is something I wouldn't wish on an enemy. Lol.
This is a wonderful post and I was agreeing that they ruined SMClois until I read your post. I see it through your eyes now and it makes much more sense. Thanks!
ginnyfan
02-05-2009, 09:58 PM
So I'm quoting myself below just because I think people need to hear this and think rationally about Requiem:
Why is Lana Lang so special right now? LOL. Because I don't see it.
Do we all remember Alicia Baker? Yeah, Clark Kent was totally in love with her, lusted after her and even proposed and married her! Yeah, he was under the red-k influence but that doesn't change Clark, it just makes him less inhibited. So Clark Kent literally marries the woman! And they are so in love but things keep on getting in the way. At the end, no one believes in Alicia except for Clark Kent. What he feels for her is described by him as very unique. //She makes me feel special and normal at the same time.// He cried tears for her when their relationship wasn't working and then sobbed like I've never seen a man sob in my life when she was dead.
Alicia Baker and Clark Kent were separated not by choice but by death.
So did Lana Lang become his second choice then? Clark never thought of Lana while he was with Alicia. And who could blame him! Alicia may have been homicidal but the woman was not only beautiful but she made Clark feel like a god (and that had nothing to do with his powers!).
In the comics, Clark Kent proposes to Lori Lemaris. They are in love and older than Clark and Lana are right now. They are in college, mature, and with relationships under their belts. Yet Lori cannot marry Clark because one thing is standing in their way, and it isn't lack of love. It's the fact that Lori Lemaris is a mermaid. This is something that she has NO control over. So Lori and Clark end. Is Lois Lane then Clark Kent's second choice in the comics?
No!!!
If this were true, that would mean that every single person who has ever been in love and been left by that love (either because of cheating or some other circumstance other than the person choosing to leave) will never find another love again. And that is BS! It's rare for people to end up with their first love. It happens, but it's very, very rare. People think when they are in love in high school that what they are feeling is everything. Then they meet someone else, feel something greater and BAAAAMMM!! They realize that what they felt in the past was NOTHING compared to what they feel now.
People last years and years married to each other. Then fall out of love and find someone else. Is the second love not true love? Many people would disagree.
My point is I don't care if Clark had returned to Lana a million times in the past. That doesn't mean that he will never be able to love another woman. And it certainly doesn't mean that the love he feels will not be true.
In the end, a true love is one that lasts!!
Has Clana ever lasted? NO!! </B> So we just need to take a step back and calm down. This whole "love that could not be" thing is not original by any means. And it doesn't make the stink garbage that was clana *special*. Guys, think about it. Can anything make clana special? I mean that train wreck is something I wouldn't wish on an enemy. Lol.
You see! Why? Why do you do this to me Dresden? Just when I'm ready to hang up my Clois Shipper t-shirt and cut up my membership card. Why do you write these things?
Why do people make these Clana spaghetti cat banners! Just let me stop shipping them in peace.
Great now I'm conflicted. *grumbles*
Watching Smallville
02-05-2009, 10:04 PM
Truth be told, Clark's continued desire and love for Lana is also in the comics.
It isn't that he stops loving Lana, its just that he gradually comes to love Lois more.
That I didn't know. And it makes this very silly episode a little more palatable.
Alicia Chipy
02-05-2009, 10:09 PM
Spagetti Cat has saved my sanity!
Now I can edure another month of no Lois.
morrigan01
02-05-2009, 10:20 PM
That I didn't know. And it makes this very silly episode a little more palatable.
Well, also, in the comics, they also sometimes drop in dialogue as to why Clark chose Lois and not Lana, even though he still cares about Lana. One of the most recent, in the Batman/Superman comics, had to do with Lana - now head of LexCorp - and her doing a morally questionable thing of unleashing Kryponite dust (I believe it was) all over the world. He tells Lana afterwords that one of the reasons he chose Lois over her is because Lois would never have done such a thing.
Something like this, however? Would never work with SVClark and SVLana because Clark's already forgiven her for too many to count morally questionable things she's done and went right back to her - like he always does if possible.
Sunny8
02-05-2009, 11:16 PM
I will start off by quoting something that a fellow cloiser wisely stated:
************************************************** **********
The thing to remember about Lana Lang and her relationship with Clark Kent is that it is consistent throughout every single incarnation of Superman we have (from the comics, to the movies, to television).
How is it consistent?
It always ends.
************************************************** **********
Another member stated the following and I had to add it:
************************************************** **********
Soulmates are bound to be together, not separated from each other.
************************************************** **********
Tonight people are getting angry and saying things like, “How can clois ever exist after all this?” The answer is not only obvious but very easy to explain.
Clois *will* live on, and Clois *will* replace Clana.
Why? How?
Let’s look at it this way:
1) Lana Lang slept with Lex Luthor and preferred him over Clark Kent. (season 6)
2) Lana Lang slept with Bizarro and preferred him over Clark. (season 7)
Yet in season 8 we are expected to believe that Lana Lang truly loves Clark Kent? And that Clark Kent loves Lana too? LOL. Yeah right!
If you can swallow the B.S listed above, then why not clois?
The only thing that clana has over clois is eight years of BS! Lana fans have stated, // Lois will never have what Lana had! // Lol. What exactly does Lana have right now? The complete hatred of millions of people?
Over the past 8 years Lana has been metaphorically and literally raped. She has been toyed with and tossed around from man to man. She has no identity. No true passion. Nothing. Her character has no self respect and believes that the only way to be someone’s equal is by possessing super powers. This is Lana Lang in SV. Who would ever want a similar fate for Lois Lane? Lol.
No thank you! Cloisers value Lois Lane and don’t want her reduced to a pathetic heap of garbage.
So will clois ever be clana? No way! But that's a good thing! LOL
So Lana fans, I hope you enjoyed this little arc because it's all you're getting.
Clana is officially dead and Smallville and Clois will live on!
Sounds good to me. After seeing 'Requiem' I have no problem with Lois being with Clark. He needs some stability, poor thing.
----- Added 1 Minutes later -----
I'm forgetting already.
Lana who?
LOL.
Isn't this what Clark says next :lol:.
----- Added 6 Minutes later -----
Yeah, uhm, the problem is - Clark STILL wanted to be with Lana even after all of that. He Still Wanted To Be With Lana after she slept (and married) Lex. He Still Wanted To Be With Lana after she slept with Bizarro and didn't know the difference between him and Clark.
The Clark and Lana relationship has pretty much been a masochistic one on Clark's part since season six. Honestly, the Bizarro thing SHOULD have ended it once and for all. But he went right back. I'm willing to bet money if Lana had been infected with BLUE Kryptonite, he would have stayed with her. After all, he wouldn't be killed if it was blue k-nite, he's just be stripped of his powers! :rolleyes:
What I've gotten out of the Clana relationship - after 8 years - is that no matter what Lana has done, or would do, Clark Kent is a total masochistic and willing to take Lana back NO MATTER WHAT. :rolleyes:
He is young and desperate. The things mentioned above are the acts of a desperate person. He does not know anything else and did not think he would ever have anyone else. He doesn't seem to know that when one door closes (Lana) another (better) one (Lois) opens up. But he will learn, and hopefully soon.
----- Added 12 Minutes later -----
The way they left this is that Clark will always love Lana and them being apart is something neither of them chose but were instead given to save the better good. If I were a Clois fan that wouldn't sit well with me. There will never been a connection that Clana had, at least not on Smallville. Clois may live on but it will always be an after thought and a runner-up prize to what Clark truly wanted.
Not really. Clark is in his early 20's. He doesn't know anything else but Lana. If Clark says that Lana is the only one he ever truly loved when he is 100 year old and after he had been married to Lois, then I would agree with you. But right now we cannot really say.
----- Added 21 Minutes later -----
<center>The Clana arc was Spaghetti Cat!!
</center>
<center> http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6441/spaghettiky7.gif</center>
For those of you who don't know about Spaghetti Cat, its just this funny thing that happened during a morning show when out of the blue a picture of a cat eating spaghetti showed up. No one talked about it before or after. It just literally popped into the screen and then no one ever mentioned it! Lol. People watching were confused and then suddenly it took a life of it's own as people started making fun of the photo (of the cat eating spaghetti).
Now Spaghetti cat even has it's own song! t-shirt! and website! LOL!!! And of course, it is now forever tied to the clana //spaghetti cat// arc!!
PS: the gif isn't mine but I thought it was so funny I had to post it here! ;)
Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMyHuCVaRaE
and the funny Spaghetti Cat, I weep for you! song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXHqoPHZCUM
:rotfl:
pizzahead2490
02-05-2009, 11:42 PM
i was about to give up on my ship but this thread have convinced me to conitnue :D thank you Dresden :)
6-Super-Man -5
02-05-2009, 11:43 PM
i was about to give up on my ship but this thread have convinced me to conitnue :D thank you Dresden :)
Yes!
Now change that avatar of yours! :mad::p
kiariclois
02-05-2009, 11:50 PM
I'm all for Clois, but I really do hope Lois is OVER Clark now.
drvr8
02-05-2009, 11:54 PM
I just didn't like how the writers had Clark dismiss Lois after their almost kiss...He should of showed more respect for Lois.
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Erica-Durance-Smallville-6.aspx
In Erica's own words, "The more selfless that Lois is with her love for Clark, the more she'll deserve him." This is in reference to Lois stepping back from the moment in Bride and really shows how ED played her reactions and end scene in the episode. The duality of crying over the tragic events, but crying over being heartbroken that she was giving up Clark to Lana play into Bride even further.
Clark just has to pull his head outta his butt though. Great posts so far on the thread.
cklookalike89
02-05-2009, 11:57 PM
Well i think it will be easy to accept lois now too but i truly believe clark needed his closure with lana or else lois never would have been his top option. Now i believe lois truly can eb the woman of clarks future
NinaDavis
02-06-2009, 12:05 AM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/Nina_Davis/brindis.jpg
Shes gone!!
kiariclois
02-06-2009, 12:21 AM
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In Erica's own words, "The more selfless that Lois is with her love for Clark, the more she'll deserve him."
That wasn't a problem. She deserves him long ago :p It's Clark who doesn't deserve her :rotfl:
skugers
02-06-2009, 12:25 AM
I will start off by quoting something that a fellow cloiser wisely stated:
************************************************** **********
The thing to remember about Lana Lang and her relationship with Clark Kent is that it is consistent throughout every single incarnation of Superman we have (from the comics, to the movies, to television).
How is it consistent?
It always ends.
************************************************** **********
Another member stated the following and I had to add it:
************************************************** **********
Soulmates are bound to be together, not separated from each other.
************************************************** **********
Tonight people are getting angry and saying things like, “How can clois ever exist after all this?” The answer is not only obvious but very easy to explain.
Clois *will* live on, and Clois *will* replace Clana.
Why? How?
Let’s look at it this way:
1) Lana Lang slept with Lex Luthor and preferred him over Clark Kent. (season 6)
2) Lana Lang slept with Bizarro and preferred him over Clark. (season 7)
Yet in season 8 we are expected to believe that Lana Lang truly loves Clark Kent? And that Clark Kent loves Lana too? LOL. Yeah right!
If you can swallow the B.S listed above, then why not clois?
The only thing that clana has over clois is eight years of BS! Lana fans have stated, // Lois will never have what Lana had! // Lol. What exactly does Lana have right now? The complete hatred of millions of people?
Over the past 8 years Lana has been metaphorically and literally raped. She has been toyed with and tossed around from man to man. She has no identity. No true passion. Nothing. Her character has no self respect and believes that the only way to be someone’s equal is by possessing super powers. This is Lana Lang in SV. Who would ever want a similar fate for Lois Lane? Lol.
No thank you! Cloisers value Lois Lane and don’t want her reduced to a pathetic heap of garbage.
So will clois ever be clana? No way! But that's a good thing! LOL
So Lana fans, I hope you enjoyed this little arc because it's all you're getting.
Clana is officially dead and Smallville and Clois will live on!
I understand what you mean and you're wright, but you know what bothered me the most? The fact that we are imagining and gussing all this crap about the "fake" love between Lana and Clark. I didn't see a comment from CK about that. And that's the writers' fault. I only see a BDA Clark who obviously loves Lana Lang.
So I don't know how PSS3 will pull the Clois stuff in 2 ep time, or something like that. It will be crappy and unbelievable, at least for me.
pizzahead2490
02-06-2009, 12:30 AM
Yes!
Now change that avatar of yours! :mad::p
i still dont like clark very much tho :p
mjc928
02-06-2009, 12:31 AM
Personally, I don't see what's wrong with showing us how much Clark can love a woman. He can obviously love a woman pretty darn good :)
And he's going to need to be strong in that area when it comes to loving Lois.
So the fact that Clark loves Lana SO MUCH is just telling all the Cloisers that HE WILL LOVE LOIS RIGHT.
I love that Clark loves Lana this much. It proves to me that he is capable of loving someone and putting that person ahead of even himself. And there will be plenty of times when he will need to put Lois ahead of himself. And there will be plenty of times when he will need to love Lois a whole lot to put up with her :p
You make a very interesting point. The clana ship never really bothered me because he would ultimately end up with lois but the thing that did bother me is how weak ck got when it came to lana. I feel kinda bad for lana. She was trying so hard to become something more than what she was, that she couldnt see that all ck wanted was to be with her... Not super lana or any other version... just lana lang.
Dom20
02-06-2009, 12:36 AM
I will start off by quoting something that a fellow cloiser wisely stated:
************************************************** **********
The thing to remember about Lana Lang and her relationship with Clark Kent is that it is consistent throughout every single incarnation of Superman we have (from the comics, to the movies, to television).
How is it consistent?
It always ends.
************************************************** **********
Another member stated the following and I had to add it:
************************************************** **********
Soulmates are bound to be together, not separated from each other.
************************************************** **********
Tonight people are getting angry and saying things like, “How can clois ever exist after all this?” The answer is not only obvious but very easy to explain.
Clois *will* live on, and Clois *will* replace Clana.
Why? How?
Let’s look at it this way:
1) Lana Lang slept with Lex Luthor and preferred him over Clark Kent. (season 6)
2) Lana Lang slept with Bizarro and preferred him over Clark. (season 7)
Yet in season 8 we are expected to believe that Lana Lang truly loves Clark Kent? And that Clark Kent loves Lana too? LOL. Yeah right!
If you can swallow the B.S listed above, then why not clois?
The only thing that clana has over clois is eight years of BS! Lana fans have stated, // Lois will never have what Lana had! // Lol. What exactly does Lana have right now? The complete hatred of millions of people?
Over the past 8 years Lana has been metaphorically and literally raped. She has been toyed with and tossed around from man to man. She has no identity. No true passion. Nothing. Her character has no self respect and believes that the only way to be someone’s equal is by possessing super powers. This is Lana Lang in SV. Who would ever want a similar fate for Lois Lane? Lol.
No thank you! Cloisers value Lois Lane and don’t want her reduced to a pathetic heap of garbage.
So will clois ever be clana? No way! But that's a good thing! LOL
So Lana fans, I hope you enjoyed this little arc because it's all you're getting.
Clana is officially dead and Smallville and Clois will live on!
Despite all the above, Clark forgave her and almost killed himself in the final scene to kiss her. Thats not even the worst part. Shes still alive! it will be easy if shes dead but Shes still alive! She could still talk to Clark and if the writers of this show had any imagination Clark could easily wear a lead suit and be with her. Thats why this scenario they cooked up is just plain idiotic. They didn't break up by choice, but they were broken up by a technicality. The relationship is not over, not by a long shot. Its over this version of Lois should never be with Clark ever. Its officially done, the writers could try but the impact won't be there.
kiariclois
02-06-2009, 12:43 AM
lol. Wanting her dead now isn't such a bad thing eh? :lmao:
Dom20
02-06-2009, 12:51 AM
lol. Wanting her dead now isn't such a bad thing eh? :lmao:
Are you kidding I've been wanting her dead since her car exploded.
obsessedwithsv
02-06-2009, 12:51 AM
The point isn't that Clana was ended, ofcourse we knew that was coming, the point is how it was ended and after that crap earlier I think I can honestly say that I will find it extremely hard to believe SV Clois, have faith in PS3 again and actually like Clark as a person and believe he is meant to be the future Supes.
I believe in Clois, just not PS3's shoddy writing skills. I will return to watching L'n'C now and admiring the comics, where the real Clois are.
amberdawn
02-06-2009, 01:19 AM
Are you kidding I've been wanting her dead since her car exploded.
You are cracking me up tonight :lol:
CLanaF23
02-06-2009, 01:36 AM
i guess clark and lois wont bother me as much because i will ALWAYS know that the only reason clark is with her is because he Can't have lana.
so watever. the writers are boring and predictable. but at least they didn't contradict themselves they put lana and clark as meant to be from the jump and from Requiem they just said basically "clark and lana will always love each other but CIRCUMSTANCES seperated them and their love, it was never their choice" so i guess Smallville's name should now be changed to Superman spin off? i mean why not? they tore apart the heart of smallville who needs the name anymore?
Kevin24
02-06-2009, 01:38 AM
They aren't together anymore. It is like me gloating about the Rams being Super Bowl Champions in 1999 but it's 2009 now and the Steelers are the Champions.
You can't take away the Rams championship like you can't say Clark never loved lana but Clark will love Lois because things change.
Dom20
02-06-2009, 02:53 AM
They aren't together anymore. It is like me gloating about the Rams being Super Bowl Champions in 1999 but it's 2009 now and the Steelers are the Champions.
You can't take away the Rams championship like you can't say Clark never loved lana but Clark will love Lois because things change.
If you want a true sports analogy on the upcoming storylines. It would be like this. The Steelers win the Superbowl but can't except because there allergic to the trophy. So the Cardinals are awarded the title instead. Yeah that sums up the situation perfectly.
zHeN_zHeN
02-06-2009, 03:34 AM
<CENTER>The Clana arc was Spaghetti Cat!!
</CENTER>
<CENTER>http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6441/spaghettiky7.gif</CENTER>
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
Clana arc = Spaghetti Cat
Well, when you put it that way, it just makes so much more sense. :p
Dominicus
02-06-2009, 03:40 AM
i guess clark and lois wont bother me as much because i will ALWAYS know that the only reason clark is with her is because he Can't have lana.
so watever. the writers are boring and predictable. but at least they didn't contradict themselves they put lana and clark as meant to be from the jump and from Requiem they just said basically "clark and lana will always love each other but CIRCUMSTANCES seperated them and their love, it was never their choice" so i guess Smallville's name should now be changed to Superman spin off? i mean why not? they tore apart the heart of smallville who needs the name anymore?So, they're only boring and predictable when they don't cater to your fandom? lol Clana seperated each other everytime, not from circumstances, but selfishness. That's why lois will win out in the end, because of her selflessness.:rotfl:
Iluvgreen
02-06-2009, 09:22 AM
Yes... That's exactly what I was saying, except I think they gave Lana a good farewell to settle the Clana fans. Plus this means that Clana will never be together again. They can find a way to show that Clark loves Lois more than Lana. It's not impossible, like people seem to think. You'll see. PS3 will bring the season back up now that Lana is gone.
RedKalEL
02-06-2009, 09:41 AM
I will start off by quoting something that a fellow cloiser wisely stated:
************************************************** **********
The thing to remember about Lana Lang and her relationship with Clark Kent is that it is consistent throughout every single incarnation of Superman we have (from the comics, to the movies, to television).
How is it consistent?
It always ends.
************************************************** **********
Another member stated the following and I had to add it:
************************************************** **********
Soulmates are bound to be together, not separated from each other.
************************************************** **********
Tonight people are getting angry and saying things like, “How can clois ever exist after all this?” The answer is not only obvious but very easy to explain.
Clois *will* live on, and Clois *will* replace Clana.
Why? How?
Let’s look at it this way:
1) Lana Lang slept with Lex Luthor and preferred him over Clark Kent. (season 6)
2) Lana Lang slept with Bizarro and preferred him over Clark. (season 7)
Yet in season 8 we are expected to believe that Lana Lang truly loves Clark Kent? And that Clark Kent loves Lana too? LOL. Yeah right!
If you can swallow the B.S listed above, then why not clois?
The only thing that clana has over clois is eight years of BS! Lana fans have stated, // Lois will never have what Lana had! // Lol. What exactly does Lana have right now? The complete hatred of millions of people?
Over the past 8 years Lana has been metaphorically and literally raped. She has been toyed with and tossed around from man to man. She has no identity. No true passion. Nothing. Her character has no self respect and believes that the only way to be someone’s equal is by possessing super powers. This is Lana Lang in SV. Who would ever want a similar fate for Lois Lane? Lol.
No thank you! Cloisers value Lois Lane and don’t want her reduced to a pathetic heap of garbage.
So will clois ever be clana? No way! But that's a good thing! LOL
So Lana fans, I hope you enjoyed this little arc because it's all you're getting.
Clana is officially dead and Smallville and Clois will live on!
*stands up and claps*
thank you you are right it will be fine
melissan02
02-06-2009, 09:58 AM
Yes... That's exactly what I was saying, except I think they gave Lana a good farewell to settle the Clana fans. Plus this means that Clana will never be together again. They can find a way to show that Clark loves Lois more than Lana. It's not impossible, like people seem to think. You'll see. PS3 will bring the season back up now that Lana is gone.
I hope that's the plan of PS3...to show how much more appealing a love relationship w/ Lois is compared to one w/ Lana. I hope they'll have Clark gradually realize this, thus making him fall more in love w/ Lois than he ever was w/ Lana. Lois afterall is (or will be) his sense of normalcy. Clark even said as much in "Power" when he was ranting to Chloe about how much better his life had become after Lana's DVD departure.
This is the only way Clark can be redeemed, ...if we see him come to the realization that Lois offers him so much more than Lana---AND, we hear him verbalize it!! ----- Not that he won't love Lana, but it will eventually fail in comparison to his love for Lois!;)
Clark's character has to be redeemed now, so I hope PS3 understands this and puts him on the road to redemption!---They must!:mad:
Iluvgreen
02-06-2009, 10:06 AM
You know, I think the reason why it's not hard for me to accept that Clark really does love Lois is because, after the episode I went and watched the scene in Plastique when Clark first started working at the Daily Planet.... and it was still beautiful. I just remember how I felt when I first watched that scene... and I still feel the same.
marcella
02-06-2009, 10:08 AM
soulmates are bound to be together, not separated from each other.
word
RingzTerritory
02-06-2009, 10:15 AM
Lana is nothing but used up trash, why clark would want someone who goes and screws a man he hates, marries him and then tries to come back to him is beyond me, but this smallville's new pathetic clark kent I guess. lol
Superman's_Wife
02-06-2009, 10:23 AM
If you want a true sports analogy on the upcoming storylines. It would be like this. The Steelers win the Superbowl but can't except because there allergic to the trophy. So the Cardinals are awarded the title instead. Yeah that sums up the situation perfectly.
That isn't an accurate analogy at all.
Relationships are not competitions that are won. They are steps in our lives that help us grow, learn and mature as adults. In affairs of the heart, one moment you can be in love with one person and in another moment you can be in love with someone else. The obstacles that get in the way may be heartbreaking or classified by some as unfair, but in the end, that is how life works.
So this sports metaphor of yours while superficially pleasing has no substance to it. In other words, it doesn't make sense when you look at it rationally.
REebee52
02-06-2009, 10:45 AM
Well, also, in the comics, they also sometimes drop in dialogue as to why Clark chose Lois and not Lana, even though he still cares about Lana. One of the most recent, in the Batman/Superman comics, had to do with Lana - now head of LexCorp - and her doing a morally questionable thing of unleashing Kryponite dust (I believe it was) all over the world. He tells Lana afterwords that one of the reasons he chose Lois over her is because Lois would never have done such a thing.
Something like this, however? Would never work with SVClark and SVLana because Clark's already forgiven her for too many to count morally questionable things she's done and went right back to her - like he always does if possible.
Comics-Clark still forgives Lana, he just doesn't love her. There's always a romantic tension between them, and they're still very trusted friends. At one point, Lana goes through torture protecting Clark's secret. And so far, Lois hasn't done these questionable acts of morality, indicating further that Clark and Lois are right for each other in SV.
And summing up what man other someone(s) have said, relationships are not contests to be won or lost, and there have been times (in comics and in SV) that Clark has had to leave someone for other reasons besides a simple break-up (Lori Lemaris is a fair example). That doesn't mean when he's with Lois he's pining for these past relationships. This is a naive, puerile way to look at someone's relationship history.
Luthorism
02-06-2009, 10:52 AM
I think this situation is writers' fault. They pushed this clana thing too far. It's worse than Dawson's Creek :lol:
But one thing i'm happy about is that 4 episodes with Lana reminded me how much i've missed Lois Lane. :)
Dominicus
02-06-2009, 10:54 AM
I think this situation is writers' fault. They pushed this clana thing too far. It's worse than Dawson's Creek :lol:
But one thing i'm happy about is that 4 episodes with Lana reminded me how much i've missed Lois Lane. :)Excellent point, couldn't agree more!
Minela
02-06-2009, 10:56 AM
Also, it is fair to note that in the last episode he told Lana all he ever wanted was to have a partner to work with him side by side like his parents did. He will have that with Lois. And this time no stupid super kryptonite suits and gimmicks will be involved.
Superman's_Wife
02-06-2009, 11:39 AM
Also, it is fair to note that in the last episode he told Lana all he ever wanted was to have a partner to work with him side by side like his parents did. He will have that with Lois. And this time no stupid super kryptonite suits and gimmicks will be involved.
Martha and Jonathan have always been a parallel to Clark and Lois. City girl meets Farm boy! :)
Minela
02-06-2009, 11:41 AM
Martha and Jonathan have always been a parallel to Clark and Lois. City girl meets Farm boy! :)
That's right. :D
kg1507
02-06-2009, 09:12 PM
Bravo. I would give you a hug if I could lol
Mrs. Superman
02-06-2009, 09:39 PM
Truth be told, Clark's continued desire and love for Lana is also in the comics.
It isn't that he stops loving Lana, its just that he gradually comes to love Lois more.
He moves on. We just gotta give it time.
Not exactly. He says at one point, when contemplating telling Lana that he's going to marry Lois, that he loves Lana like a sister. He doesnt know how to tell her he's engaged without hurting her feelings because he knows she is still in love with him. So while he does love her forever, its more of a family/friendship type of love.
Comics-Clark still forgives Lana, he just doesn't love her. There's always a romantic tension between them, and they're still very trusted friends. At one point, Lana goes through torture protecting Clark's secret. And so far, Lois hasn't done these questionable acts of morality, indicating further that Clark and Lois are right for each other in SV.
This is more accurate. His relationship with Lana in the comics is similar to that with Chloe now, except Chloe's no longer in love with Clark.
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Btw, I must say this is definitely an interesting discussion and I do agree. Its not about who begins the journey with you, its about whose there at the end. ;) Though I still believe these last two episodes were written terribly.
mysticalweather
02-07-2009, 12:12 AM
I really wish the Lana arc had been handled better. I'd have much rather seen Clark and Lana walk away as friends, having realized that their being together has never been/will never be a good thing for either of them. But instead, once again, Clark has to get over his feelings for Lana. Three steps forward, ten steps back. *sigh*
You know, I've honestly never seen a show go to such great lengths to completely redeem a character from every bad choice they've ever made. Lana comes out a hero, pure as snow and smelling of roses...instead of a slightly crazed thief with a vendetta and an agenda. Very odd, indeed. As for me, I have a strange love/hate feeling towards Lana's character. I like her well enough, but I hate the drama and angst that surrounds her constantly, especially where Clark is concerned.
Still, the Lana arc is finished, and I do have high hopes for Lois' return. She's like a breath of fresh air, can't wait for her to come back!
As for future episodes... I hope they do Clois more gradually from now on. It'd be nice for Clark to put his feelings for Lana behind him, focus on his destiny, and find himself falling in love with Lois along the way. And when Clark finally reaches that point, it'd be nice for him to realize that his love for Lana doesn't even cast a shadow when compared to his feelings for Lois.
Here's to hoping. :)
pbush77
02-07-2009, 01:45 AM
I do kind of agree that it's unrealistic for Lois to take off during this little story arc. She would at least have been around the Daily Planet. Relationships just aren't so convenient that you can deal with them one at a time. Adding Lois for a little tension would have worked better, I think.
zorasuperman
02-07-2009, 01:51 PM
So I'm quoting myself below just because I think people need to hear this and think rationally about Requiem:
Why is Lana Lang so special right now? LOL. Because I don't see it.
Do we all remember Alicia Baker? Yeah, Clark Kent was totally in love with her, lusted after her and even proposed and married her! Yeah, he was under the red-k influence but that doesn't change Clark, it just makes him less inhibited. So Clark Kent literally marries the woman! And they are so in love but things keep on getting in the way. At the end, no one believes in Alicia except for Clark Kent. What he feels for her is described by him as very unique. //She makes me feel special and normal at the same time.// He cried tears for her when their relationship wasn't working and then sobbed like I've never seen a man sob in my life when she was dead.
Alicia Baker and Clark Kent were separated not by choice but by death.
So did Lana Lang become his second choice then? Clark never thought of Lana while he was with Alicia. And who could blame him! Alicia may have been homicidal but the woman was not only beautiful but she made Clark feel like a god (and that had nothing to do with his powers!).
In the comics, Clark Kent proposes to Lori Lemaris. They are in love and older than Clark and Lana are right now. They are in college, mature, and with relationships under their belts. Yet Lori cannot marry Clark because one thing is standing in their way, and it isn't lack of love. It's the fact that Lori Lemaris is a mermaid. This is something that she has NO control over. So Lori and Clark end. Is Lois Lane then Clark Kent's second choice in the comics?
No!!!
If this were true, that would mean that every single person who has ever been in love and been left by that love (either because of cheating or some other circumstance other than the person choosing to leave) will never find another love again. And that is BS! It's rare for people to end up with their first love. It happens, but it's very, very rare. People think when they are in love in high school that what they are feeling is everything. Then they meet someone else, feel something greater and BAAAAMMM!! They realize that what they felt in the past was NOTHING compared to what they feel now.
People last years and years married to each other. Then fall out of love and find someone else. Is the second love not true love? Many people would disagree.
My point is I don't care if Clark had returned to Lana a million times in the past. That doesn't mean that he will never be able to love another woman. And it certainly doesn't mean that the love he feels will not be true.
In the end, a true love is one that lasts!!
Has Clana ever lasted? NO!! </B>So we just need to take a step back and calm down. This whole "love that could not be" thing is not original by any means. And it doesn't make the stink garbage that was clana *special*. Guys, think about it. Can anything make clana special? I mean that train wreck is something I wouldn't wish on an enemy. Lol.
OMG! I love this post!!!!! It has given me the strength to believe in Clois again; your points were very good. Many people have fallen in love again, but does that mean that your other love is second best? Thank you for putting it in a different perspective.
I think that Clark is in some ways, like all normal people, afraid of rejection. Because Lana is the only (serious) relatinoship (he has had relationships, but it was minor) but Lana was the only serious one he has ever known. Therefore, I think, at least in his mind, since Lois does not know who he is, that he thinks she won't accept him for who he truly is. I mean I would be feeling the same thing Clark would too in many ways. It took nearly 10 years for this one woman to accept me for the alien I am, (and seeing as how many people before have been scared of my alien heritage, or gotten in deep trouble for it) what makes it even remotely possible that someone like LOIS LANE could love a freak like me?
Of course we know Clark Kent isnt a freak, but I know that he is constantly battling with his alien heritage. But I think that in the following episodes, especially with
episodes like Infamous, where Lois will reveal who the real "Clark Kent is, it will show that Lois Lane will accept Clark Kent , or in this case Superman, but Clark will feel that hey you know what? lois does accept superman. maybe she wont reject me if she knows im an alien. im pretty sure that these feeleings will run in his mind at least once.
6-Super-Man -5
02-07-2009, 02:02 PM
Martha and Jonathan have always been a parallel to Clark and Lois. City girl meets Farm boy! :)
Of course. :D
Kal26
02-07-2009, 02:07 PM
I live for Clois, but now, I'm going to find it harder to except because the only reason Clark will be with Lois, is because they've made in impossible for him to be with Lana. They should have done it right, and had them fall in love because they wanted to, not because Clark had no other choice.
Mickey_Bickey
02-07-2009, 02:20 PM
Anyway, back to topic.
You want the silver line? Clana never happened, it was deleted tonight. Lana is the girl Clark can't have, the same has Pilot. So, now he will find the one he can have and is destined to be with. Soulmates are bound to be together, not separated from each other.
Nothing else needs to be said "Master Timester"!;)
Tinyeppy
02-07-2009, 03:29 PM
Originally Posted by Dresden http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4434007#post4434007)
So I'm quoting myself below just because I think people need to hear this and think rationally about Requiem:
Why is Lana Lang so special right now? LOL. Because I don't see it.
Do we all remember Alicia Baker? Yeah, Clark Kent was totally in love with her, lusted after her and even proposed and married her! Yeah, he was under the red-k influence but that doesn't change Clark, it just makes him less inhibited. So Clark Kent literally marries the woman! And they are so in love but things keep on getting in the way. At the end, no one believes in Alicia except for Clark Kent. What he feels for her is described by him as very unique. //She makes me feel special and normal at the same time.// He cried tears for her when their relationship wasn't working and then sobbed like I've never seen a man sob in my life when she was dead.
Alicia Baker and Clark Kent were separated not by choice but by death.
So did Lana Lang become his second choice then? Clark never thought of Lana while he was with Alicia. And who could blame him! Alicia may have been homicidal but the woman was not only beautiful but she made Clark feel like a god (and that had nothing to do with his powers!).
In the comics, Clark Kent proposes to Lori Lemaris. They are in love and older than Clark and Lana are right now. They are in college, mature, and with relationships under their belts. Yet Lori cannot marry Clark because one thing is standing in their way, and it isn't lack of love. It's the fact that Lori Lemaris is a mermaid. This is something that she has NO control over. So Lori and Clark end. Is Lois Lane then Clark Kent's second choice in the comics?
No!!!
If this were true, that would mean that every single person who has ever been in love and been left by that love (either because of cheating or some other circumstance other than the person choosing to leave) will never find another love again. And that is BS! It's rare for people to end up with their first love. It happens, but it's very, very rare. People think when they are in love in high school that what they are feeling is everything. Then they meet someone else, feel something greater and BAAAAMMM!! They realize that what they felt in the past was NOTHING compared to what they feel now.
People last years and years married to each other. Then fall out of love and find someone else. Is the second love not true love? Many people would disagree.
My point is I don't care if Clark had returned to Lana a million times in the past. That doesn't mean that he will never be able to love another woman. And it certainly doesn't mean that the love he feels will not be true.
In the end, a true love is one that lasts!!
Has Clana ever lasted? NO!! </B>So we just need to take a step back and calm down. This whole "love that could not be" thing is not original by any means. And it doesn't make the stink garbage that was clana *special*. Guys, think about it. Can anything make clana special? I mean that train wreck is something I wouldn't wish on an enemy. Lol.
ITA with what you are saying here, but I still have a problem in the way Clana broke up and the reasons behind it.
As for Clois ever being the same after this arc it’s not b/c simply Clark was forced to not be with Lana & not by choice. Like all the relationships you’ve mention. These breakup were all by choice and Alicia I did believe he felt something special for her b/c Lana never even crossed his mind. But will this breakup create a rift between Clois because of the circumstance in which it ended. I feel it’s too soon for it happen.<O:p></O:p>
As for hope of Clois. I feel CK needs to heal and really move on. Being alone for some time & dealing with it. It’s impossible to have this crushing breakup and be in love the next couple of episodes with Lois. It’s unbelievable. <O:p></O:p>
Time heals all wounds I personally know this & I don’t think we have that amount of time on Smallville.<O:p></O:p>
I would love for CK to take the time & finish college, Train with Joel and mature before I see any making out scenes with Lois. <O:p></O:p>
I’m afraid Smallville writers will throw Clois in and it will lose all purpose and grace for me after this arc and breakup. I just don’t see Clois be the same anymore at least not on smallville. All I see is CLANA everywhere. It’s lost something in it for me on this show. They don’t have it right it’s just all wrong.<O:p></O:p>
I have no doubt I will get Clois I just hope TPTB have admiration with CLOIS fans b/c after this arc I’m sure they see how upset the fans are about this reason for this breakup. It’s ridiculous & embarrassing.<O:p></O:p>
If Clois is to out rank Clana it’s gonna be by reducing CK’s memory of CLANA & it’s importance in CK’s eyes. Lana is no good girl. Lana would have to know she just don’t have a chance with Lois around & she isn’t & will never be the “one”.<O:p></O:p>
Please someone fix this Mess!!!<O:p></O:p>
If I were Lois I will never get CK the time or day, there’s too much baggage here & that puts a total on any relationship.
A Disappointed Superman Fan
supercatmom
02-10-2009, 01:25 PM
In all the craziness of the last two Clana episodes, I see a glimmer of hope for Clois.
First we have to believe that this 21/22 year old Clark still has the emotional age of a teenager. That emotionally he is still the immature 14 year old in love with the idea of Lana, a person who at that time he could not get within 2 feet of without falling on his face. I think that even Lana said to him a few seasons ago that he was not in love with her but the Lana that he loved from afar and put on a pedestal. I hope that when he falls in love as an adult, he will realize that Lana was a teenage crush on a girl that he idolized from when he was in kindergarden and never fully knew as a real person.
Second on the roof he said that his dream was always to have someone who could stand by his side. He did not say a superpowered person standing by his side. I think Lois will become that person who can stand by his side. His soulmate and partner that he can share his life with. And she is a strong enough woman to do it without needing superpowers. Also he did not say that his dream was to have Lana standing by his side sharing his life just someone.
Third the finale loft scene, Lana said I'll always love you, but when she left, Clark just said I love you. He did not say I'll always love you.
Don't get me wrong I still wish the Clana arc had never happened. And maybe I'm just grasping at straws
wafflles87
02-10-2009, 01:45 PM
I agree, Clark is still emotionally immature in a way.
Not only that, but i actually get him wanting to give it one last shot with Lana, I do. I know first hand what a b*tch it is when your first love comes back before you moved on completely. Not only did it happen to me, but I see it happen to one of my friends even still. This girl he used to be with and whom he still loves just keeps walking in and out of his life, and he's a mess because of it.
That being said, maybe now that she's literally POISON for him, she can stay the frak away long enough for Clark to finally sort through his feelings for her and move on to a better and healthier relationship.
red_sun1938
02-10-2009, 01:51 PM
How can he still have feelings for her after everything she has done is my issue.
She marries Lex, His sworn enemy.
Fake's her own death with no intention of letting him know she's OK and only comes back to clear her name
Embezzles 10 million from Lex
Kidnaps Lionel
Starts up ISIS which is a front for her to spy on Lex behind Clark's back
Falls in love with Bizarro and has Bizana sex while Clark is frozen in the fortress
Let's Clark believe she broke up with him and then trains to become his equal
Steals Lex's nano-tech suit to become Clark's equal
How can anyone still love someone after all of that and 5 years of previous failed attempts?
dcmarriott
02-10-2009, 04:03 PM
In all the craziness of the last two Clana episodes, I see a glimmer of hope for Clois.
First we have to believe that this 21/22 year old Clark still has the emotional age of a teenager. That emotionally he is still the immature 14 year old in love with the idea of Lana, a person who at that time he could not get within 2 feet of without falling on his face. I think that even Lana said to him a few seasons ago that he was not in love with her but the Lana that he loved from afar and put on a pedestal. I hope that when he falls in love as an adult, he will realize that Lana was a teenage crush on a girl that he idolized from when he was in kindergarden and never fully knew as a real person.
Isn't that the real problem? Clark is still the immature 14-yea-old, emotionally at least, and Lois is the mature adult.
In Siren, there was that great scene in which Lois acknowledges that she couldn't stay with Oliver becasue she knew his mission would always be more important than her, and she couldn't live with that. That statement showed that Lois had tremendous insight into her own emtional needs, and a clear understanding of what a relationship with a hero meant. When I heard her say that, I thought that one day Lois will mature to the point where she can be with someone with a greater purpose, and the fact that she understands herself so well will help her reach that stage in her life.
There just hasn't been a scene for Clark like that one. If anything, Clark continues to be shown as an emotionally stunted boy who cannot put his childhood crushes behind him and move into a mature, adult relationship.
dcmarriott
02-11-2009, 08:29 AM
How can he still have feelings for her after everything she has done is my issue.
She marries Lex, His sworn enemy.
Fake's her own death with no intention of letting him know she's OK and only comes back to clear her name
Embezzles 10 million from Lex
Kidnaps Lionel
Starts up ISIS which is a front for her to spy on Lex behind Clark's back
Falls in love with Bizarro and has Bizana sex while Clark is frozen in the fortress
Let's Clark believe she broke up with him and then trains to become his equal
Steals Lex's nano-tech suit to become Clark's equal
How can anyone still love someone after all of that and 5 years of previous failed attempts?
By contrast, Lois
• first appeared looking for her cousin’s killer;
• stopped Clark from killing Tim Westcott;
• helped Clark’s father get elected a senator;
• filled in as his mother’s executive assistant when she needed one;
• tried to expose and shut down the deadly fight club;
• went after Lex when she learned he was experimenting on American soldiers;
• went looking for Clark’s cousin when she went missing;
• gets him a job at the Daily Planet; and
• takes care of her cousin’s husband when he’s attacked by a monster.
How can Clark NOT love that woman?
How can Clark NOT love that woman?
Excellent question. Unfortunately, PS3 have failed to give us an answer, yet Clark continues to love an insane woman & not love Lois.
LoveHurts38
02-11-2009, 10:15 AM
Soulmates are bound to be together, not separated from each other.
I second that ....
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By contrast, Lois
• first appeared looking for her cousin’s killer;
• stopped Clark from killing Tim Westcott;
• helped Clark’s father get elected a senator;
• filled in as his mother’s executive assistant when she needed one;
• tried to expose and shut down the deadly fight club;
• went after Lex when she learned he was experimenting on American soldiers;
• went looking for Clark’s cousin when she went missing;
• gets him a job at the Daily Planet; and
• takes care of her cousin’s husband when he’s attacked by a monster.
How can Clark NOT love that woman?
Well, that's why I love my Lois:)
Tinyeppy
02-11-2009, 11:49 AM
By contrast, Lois
• first appeared looking for her cousin’s killer;
• stopped Clark from killing Tim Westcott;
• helped Clark’s father get elected a senator;
• filled in as his mother’s executive assistant when she needed one;
• tried to expose and shut down the deadly fight club;
• went after Lex when she learned he was experimenting on American soldiers;
• went looking for Clark’s cousin when she went missing;
• gets him a job at the Daily Planet; and
• takes care of her cousin’s husband when he’s attacked by a monster.
How can Clark NOT love that woman?
This is also why Lois becomes a working professional women something that Lana Lang never becomes.
Lois a smart women who really care about he people she love. She really showed interest in the Kent Family something Lana really never showed interest in and the Kents respected her as being part of the family. I mean she lived with the Kents like a daughter Lana NEVER was really seen as in that way. She was the girl next door who CK loved and her reputation really changed in the eyes of the Kents with Martha telling CK to move on.
Martha didn't like Lana marry Lex so soon after being with CK the look on a mother's face was there.
SupermanRox
02-11-2009, 11:52 AM
Originally Posted by Timester http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4433218#post4433218)
Anyway, back to topic.
You want the silver line? Clana never happened, it was deleted tonight. Lana is the girl Clark can't have, the same has Pilot. So, now he will find the one he can have and is destined to be with. Soulmates are bound to be together, not separated from each other.
Exactly! I so agree with you!
By contrast, Lois
• first appeared looking for her cousin’s killer;
• stopped Clark from killing Tim Westcott;
• helped Clark’s father get elected a senator;
• filled in as his mother’s executive assistant when she needed one;
• tried to expose and shut down the deadly fight club;
• went after Lex when she learned he was experimenting on American soldiers;
• went looking for Clark’s cousin when she went missing;
• gets him a job at the Daily Planet; and
• takes care of her cousin’s husband when he’s attacked by a monster.
How can Clark NOT love that woman? <!-- / message -->
Really, Lois is the better woman here. It is obvious! ;)
Tinyeppy
02-11-2009, 12:09 PM
How can he still have feelings for her after everything she has done is my issue.
She marries Lex, His sworn enemy.
Fake's her own death with no intention of letting him know she's OK and only comes back to clear her name
Embezzles 10 million from Lex
Kidnaps Lionel
Starts up ISIS which is a front for her to spy on Lex behind Clark's back
Falls in love with Bizarro and has Bizana sex while Clark is frozen in the fortress
Let's Clark believe she broke up with him and then trains to become his equal
Steals Lex's nano-tech suit to become Clark's equal
How can anyone still love someone after all of that and 5 years of previous failed attempts?
This is why I don't understand PS3 trying to redeem Lana.
After Lana & Clark sleep together she just got to freaky for me to be with CK anymore and I was just to over Clark's blindness. I questioned CK dignity and integrity as person with self love.
If CK was a real man there's no way a man will take her back after moving in with Lex then marrying him not to mention a pregnancy. The guy will be confused and doubting her feelings for him in the 1st place. Was it ever real or a fling. It was one night. Was it sex or love?
And Lana having sex with bizarro and not realizing it wasn't Clark in the most intimate way and prefering him over Clark. A real man wouldn't look at her twice. He'll run! Proof to me she doesn't really know CK at all. Why take her back?
Lana scheming was all I needed to not see Season 7. Over her crazy a** and Clark,s stupidness.
Now I get more sex, lies & scheming with an extra bonus "Super Lana" who's stronger the Superman himself. WT* :confused:
There's no redeeming her in my eyes. Lana is a crazy. Lois is nothing like her thank god. Lois is just Lois. You don't like then piss off.
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I agree, Clark is still emotionally immature in a way.
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ITA. Clark Kent is a boy. I don't think he's man enough yet to even be with Lois at stage.
I believe CK has to do his Kryptonian Training to become a man & the man who knows the diffrence between Clana & Clois.
CK will not be the same after his training. I mean even Lana hopefully won't reconize the man that will stand in front her.
The Leigon saw him different b/c he's to young & with no Kryptonian influence. I just home TPTB show CK go throw a dramatic change after his training also revealing that what he feels for Lois is far more stronger and real then this Clana crap I've been feed for 8yrs.
For me right now after the Lana arc I don't want Lois near CK. CK need to heal move on, grow up. I want some Lois arcs proving why she's a better match for CK and why L&C's relationship is so much stonger then Clana.
Lois a kind hearted, emotional strong, professional women who deals with life in the normal bad/good who just happens to fall in love with RBB. CK shouldn't exist for her right now in my eyes.
dcmarriott
02-11-2009, 01:29 PM
This discussion of the comparisons between Lana and Lois got me thinking: Has Lana ever done anything truly selfless for anyone (I mean before she became Saint Lana in Requiem)? Of all the women in Smallville, Lana seems to be the least altruistic. As was pointed out above, her Isis Foundation was really just a cover for spying on her ex-husband, so that doesn't count. Chloe has often sacrifieced herself for Clark, and more recently, has worked hard to help Oliver and his group. As I mentioned in a previous post, Lois often goes out on a limb for the ones she loves or the things she believes. Has Lana ever done anything similar? She didn't even campaign for Jonathan when she was dating his son!
InAFlash
02-11-2009, 02:19 PM
Why are fans of Clois assuming that Smallville's version of Clark and Lois are soulmates? As far as I know the writers have'nt come out and said this. Now keep in mind I'm not talking about the comics here I'm only referring to Smallville's version of the story.
Assuming that the writers do want to end the story with Clark and Lois as soulmates, they are doing a terrible job of showing that so far. I've never seen a man and a woman in a TV series who are supposed to be soulmates show each other so little affection for 4+ seasons now. Sure they love each other as friends and respect one another but Smallville has done nothing to show the audience that these two are soulmates.
On the other hand they've have shown us over and over again that Clark loves Lana more than life itself. Sure there relationship was never perfect, but what relationship is? I am in a relationship with someone who I believe is my soulmate and we do not have the perfect relationship. Just because something is indeed true love does'nt mean it's always perfect. All relationships require work and have obstacles. If anyone has the perfect relationship without any problems please let me know because I'd love to know what you're doing. Of course on TV the problems are overly dramatic and unusual so as to attract an audience. But I don't see how Clark and Lana having problems has anything to do with whether or not they belong together.
As far as I'm concerned the writers of this show have shown me without a doubt in "Requiem" that Lana is the true love of Clark kent. However, I believe the episode "Blank" is even stronger evidence that he loves Lana more than Lois. In this episode he loses his memory and when he first sees Lois he barely gives her a second look. But when he sees Lana for the first time he stops dead in his tracks and he loses control of his heat vision. Now what example would better illustrate the love one would have for their soulmate upon seeing them for the first time?
myankskent
02-11-2009, 02:47 PM
I just want to say that this is a great post and hits on all of my concerns for the way TPTB have written this show.
Assuming that the writers do want to end the story with Clark and Lois as soulmates, they are doing a terrible job of showing that so far. I've never seen a man and a woman in a TV series who are supposed to be soulmates show each other so little affection for 4+ seasons now. Sure they love each other as friends and respect one another but Smallville has done nothing to show the audience that these two are soulmates.
I agree. It shouldn't take 5 seasons to show a soulmate connection and it certainly shouldn't be shown to us after a contrived situation forces Clark to say goodbye to Lana. Not only is that poor storytelling, but it's a mockery to both Clark and Lois.
On the other hand they've have shown us over and over again that Clark loves Lana more than life itself. Sure there relationship was never perfect, but what relationship is? I am in a relationship with someone who I believe is my soulmate and we do not have the perfect relationship. Just because something is indeed true love does'nt mean it's always perfect. All relationships require work and have obstacles.
While it's very easy to make the argument that Clana don't belong together because they have so many problems, I also have to put some stock into the fact that they keep trying to make the relationship work. People who don't love each other would never do that, IMO.
As far as I'm concerned the writers of this show have shown me without a doubt in "Requiem" that Lana is the true love of Clark kent. However, I believe the episode "Blank" is even stronger evidence that he loves Lana more than Lois. In this episode he loses his memory and when he first sees Lois he barely gives her a second look. But when he sees Lana for the first time he stops dead in his tracks and he loses control of his heat vision. Now what example would better illustrate the love one would have for their soulmate upon seeing them for the first time?
"Blank" is an excellent example to use here. The thing for me is that I don't agree that this latest Clana arc created a situation where TPTB needed to fix everything. I believe that TPTB already had to fix a lot of things from past seasons like the example used in "Blank". This latest Clana arc just compounded those problems from past seasons to a point where I really don't see how this is going to make a lot of sense going forward.
Tinyeppy
02-11-2009, 02:55 PM
Why are fans of Clois assuming that Smallville's version of Clark and Lois are soulmates? As far as I know the writers have'nt come out and said this. Now keep in mind I'm not talking about the comics here I'm only referring to Smallville's version of the story.
Assuming that the writers do want to end the story with Clark and Lois as soulmates, they are doing a terrible job of showing that so far. I've never seen a man and a woman in a TV series who are supposed to be soulmates show each other so little affection for 4+ seasons now. Sure they love each other as friends and respect one another but Smallville has done nothing to show the audience that these two are soulmates.
On the other hand they've have shown us over and over again that Clark loves Lana more than life itself. Sure there relationship was never perfect, but what relationship is? I am in a relationship with someone who I believe is my soulmate and we do not have the perfect relationship. Just because something is indeed true love does'nt mean it's always perfect. All relationships require work and have obstacles. If anyone has the perfect relationship without any problems please let me know because I'd love to know what you're doing. Of course on TV the problems are overly dramatic and unusual so as to attract an audience. But I don't see how Clark and Lana having problems has anything to do with whether or not they belong together.
As far as I'm concerned the writers of this show have shown me without a doubt in "Requiem" that Lana is the true love of Clark kent. However, I believe the episode "Blank" is even stronger evidence that he loves Lana more than Lois. In this episode he loses his memory and when he first sees Lois he barely gives her a second look. But when he sees Lana for the first time he stops dead in his tracks and he loses control of his heat vision. Now what example would better illustrate the love one would have for their soulmate upon seeing them for the first time?
I understand you are saying here but in the 2nd season of SV (Skinwalkers) it was revealed that Naman (Clark) will find his "soulmate" on earth bearing a symbol (the bracelet Kyla was wearing) in which he's destined to be with.
The writers have used every aspect of this Prophecy storyline expect one the women that Naman is destined to be with. This is were Clark starts questioning about his "soulmate". It's not comics but the show itself who placed this.
It make sence b/c obviously his soulmate isn't Lana. She beared another symbol & kryptonite necklace.
I just wonder if they ever gonna tie this in before the show ends with Lois. If these people can Invent Crazy Freaky Lana, Traveler, Veritas & Zod. They can make it so that Lois has some connection to this prophecy.
The writers can be making SV CK's eagerness and failures in seaching for her. CK has always been searching to love some one unconditionally. Well CK is also to blind to notice she's always there with him, by him, comforting him & even slept in the same house in his bed once. Who's never really emotionally hurt or betray CK? Lois Lane. It's forshadowed on Smallville with shooting stars and soulmate talk between the two. They are both blind and don't want to admitted anything.
This is my only hope of a destined soulmate Clois on SV & the 8yrs of Clana go down the Toilet.
Lana is no way in hell better then Lois. As a Superman fan I will not stand for that. Going off the myth PEROID or SV is A/U.
DontCha
02-11-2009, 03:03 PM
Im guessing Lois will find it, and wear it, maybe she wont be able to take it off and clark will be like WHOAH when he sees it on her..
Tinyeppy
02-11-2009, 03:32 PM
Im guessing Lois will find it, and wear it, maybe she wont be able to take it off and clark will be like WHOAH when he sees it on her..
I've been thinking the jewel can be an old family hierloom. Like Lois's mother necklace & Lois just doesn't wear it b/c it's to unique to wear, but on some rare time she wear it or takes it out and he notices the shape of it or something.
It's just stupid that TPTB have completely ignored this part of the Naman Prophecy when all fans have to do see the DVD.
I'm just so tired of the Lana and Lana and Lana. I'm really looking forward in ending this show with Lois being the what she's is Superman's greatest love.
Lana go away already. Clark grow up. :mad:
skugers
02-11-2009, 03:44 PM
I'm just so tired of the Lana and Lana and Lana. I'm really looking forward in ending this show with Lois being the what she's is Superman's greatest love.
Lana go away already. Clark grow up. :mad:
Hell yeah! Looking forward to that and hope that SV doesn't get cancelled before we get some Clois!:mad:
Mickey_Bickey
02-11-2009, 03:56 PM
<CENTER>The Clana arc was Spaghetti Cat!!
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For those of you who don't know about Spaghetti Cat, its just this funny thing that happened during a morning show when out of the blue a picture of a cat eating spaghetti showed up. No one talked about it before or after. It just literally popped into the screen and then no one ever mentioned it! Lol. People watching were confused and then suddenly it took a life of it's own as people started making fun of the photo (of the cat eating spaghetti).
Now Spaghetti cat even has it's own song! t-shirt! and website! LOL!!! And of course, it is now forever tied to the clana //spaghetti cat// arc!!
PS: the gif isn't mine but I thought it was so funny I had to post it here! ;)
Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMyHuCVaRaE
and the funny Spaghetti Cat, I weep for you! song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXHqoPHZCUM
LOVED this!!!!:lol:
dcmarriott
02-11-2009, 03:58 PM
Why are fans of Clois assuming that Smallville's version of Clark and Lois are soulmates? As far as I know the writers have'nt come out and said this. Now keep in mind I'm not talking about the comics here I'm only referring to Smallville's version of the story.
Assuming that the writers do want to end the story with Clark and Lois as soulmates, they are doing a terrible job of showing that so far. I've never seen a man and a woman in a TV series who are supposed to be soulmates show each other so little affection for 4+ seasons now. Sure they love each other as friends and respect one another but Smallville has done nothing to show the audience that these two are soulmates.
The word "soulmate" implies a deep, spiritual connection. Just because a guy gets hot and bothered the first time he sees a beautiful woman doesn't mean that they are "soulmates." The kind of bond that true soulmates have is one that develops over time, and that contiues to develop as they change and grow.
In Smallville, Clark and Lois have gone from disliking each other, to a grudging friendship, to close friends. Last season, we even saw them comforting one another in times of grief. Lois's admission (in Committed) that she loved Clark was the result of a slow, steady beuilding of their relationship throughout the last five seasons. If their affection continues to grow, then it is concievable that they will be "soulmates", eventually.
Clark and Lana's relationship, on the other hand, has lurched from one crisis to another. There is little evidence of a deeper bond there, in spite of their repeated claims that they love one another.
Mickey_Bickey
02-11-2009, 04:03 PM
So I'm quoting myself below just because I think people need to hear this and think rationally about Requiem:
Why is Lana Lang so special right now? LOL. Because I don't see it.
Do we all remember Alicia Baker? Yeah, Clark Kent was totally in love with her, lusted after her and even proposed and married her! Yeah, he was under the red-k influence but that doesn't change Clark, it just makes him less inhibited. So Clark Kent literally marries the woman! And they are so in love but things keep on getting in the way. At the end, no one believes in Alicia except for Clark Kent. What he feels for her is described by him as very unique. //She makes me feel special and normal at the same time.// He cried tears for her when their relationship wasn't working and then sobbed like I've never seen a man sob in my life when she was dead.
Alicia Baker and Clark Kent were separated not by choice but by death.
So did Lana Lang become his second choice then? Clark never thought of Lana while he was with Alicia. And who could blame him! Alicia may have been homicidal but the woman was not only beautiful but she made Clark feel like a god (and that had nothing to do with his powers!).
In the comics, Clark Kent proposes to Lori Lemaris. They are in love and older than Clark and Lana are right now. They are in college, mature, and with relationships under their belts. Yet Lori cannot marry Clark because one thing is standing in their way, and it isn't lack of love. It's the fact that Lori Lemaris is a mermaid. This is something that she has NO control over. So Lori and Clark end. Is Lois Lane then Clark Kent's second choice in the comics?
No!!!
If this were true, that would mean that every single person who has ever been in love and been left by that love (either because of cheating or some other circumstance other than the person choosing to leave) will never find another love again. And that is BS! It's rare for people to end up with their first love. It happens, but it's very, very rare. People think when they are in love in high school that what they are feeling is everything. Then they meet someone else, feel something greater and BAAAAMMM!! They realize that what they felt in the past was NOTHING compared to what they feel now.
People last years and years married to each other. Then fall out of love and find someone else. Is the second love not true love? Many people would disagree.
My point is I don't care if Clark had returned to Lana a million times in the past. That doesn't mean that he will never be able to love another woman. And it certainly doesn't mean that the love he feels will not be true.
In the end, a true love is one that lasts!!
Has Clana ever lasted? NO!! </B>So we just need to take a step back and calm down. This whole "love that could not be" thing is not original by any means. And it doesn't make the stink garbage that was clana *special*. Guys, think about it. Can anything make clana special? I mean that train wreck is something I wouldn't wish on an enemy. Lol.
I've pulled the Alicia Baker card myself a time or two, but this post is amazing!!:D;)
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^^^^Dresden, i am calm now, we just need Lois back now to get Clark back on track!!!!!!!! For Lana, he pines, for Lois, he lives!!!!!!
And lives happily ever after at that!!!:D:cool:
Tinyeppy
02-11-2009, 04:27 PM
The word "soulmate" implies a deep, spiritual connection. Just because a guy gets hot and bothered the first time he sees a beautiful woman doesn't mean that they are "soulmates." The kind of bond that true soulmates have is one that develops over time, and that contiues to develop as they change and grow.
In Smallville, Clark and Lois have gone from disliking each other, to a grudging friendship, to close friends. Last season, we even saw them comforting one another in times of grief. Lois's admission (in Committed) that she loved Clark was the result of a slow, steady beuilding of their relationship throughout the last five seasons. If their affection continues to grow, then it is concievable that they will be "soulmates", eventually.
Clark and Lana's relationship, on the other hand, has lurched from one crisis to another. There is little evidence of a deeper bond there, in spite of their repeated claims that they love one another.
ITA. Nicely put. Clana has no spirtually bond.
I mean even in the 90's Lois & Clark, Lois could hear Clark via telepathy anywhere with no realations ever between them at the time. It was just a emotional spirturally bond of there love. All the issues they went through to be together unconditionally.
Even the Kyptontians couldn't understand why Lois could do this & accepted her for what she was Kal-el unqiue human mate.
rebecavaldez
02-11-2009, 04:35 PM
I love Clois, DON'T GET ME WRONG, but I think the writers are making it hard for us to see them as a couple. I don't like the fact that they made Clois fan super excited about the kiss and them coming closer together just to have it taken by Lana's appearance! Yeah, I know it's "first love" but Clois is TRUE MOTHER FREAKIN' LOVE!
Tinyeppy
02-11-2009, 04:40 PM
I don't like the fact that they made Clois fan super excited about the kiss and them coming closer together just to have it taken by Lana's appearance! Yeah, I know it's "first love" but Clois is TRUE MOTHER FREAKIN' LOVE!
:lol: :lol: Nicely Put. Well Said.
ox007
02-12-2009, 02:19 PM
I agree with Dresden and others that have this point of view!After reading this I'm quite sure as well that Lois and Clark will work on Smallville and will work better than Clana, Clark will realize that his love for Lois is so big that it can't even be compared to his love towards Lana, just give him some time and let him grow up. Even if he thinks his love for Lana is eternal now (but note this, he never said that!) after falling for Lois it shall be reduced to bloody dust :)
Sunny8
02-12-2009, 03:13 PM
However, I believe the episode "Blank" is even stronger evidence that he loves Lana more than Lois. In this episode he loses his memory and when he first sees Lois he barely gives her a second look.
Clark gives Lois more than a second look--he stares at her quite a long time as a matter of fact. She irritates him and he doesn't know why. A lot of true relationship's start out with the people not even liking each other.
But when he sees Lana for the first time he stops dead in his tracks and he loses control of his heat vision. Now what example would better illustrate the love one would have for their soulmate upon seeing them for the first time?
So he lusts after Lana...that shows love? That only showed me that he wanted to have sex with her. He is totally in awe of her superficial qualities when he sees her. Nothing more. Construction workers do the same thing.
InAFlash
02-12-2009, 10:42 PM
Clark gives Lois more than a second look--he stares at her quite a long time as a matter of fact. She irritates him and he doesn't know why. A lot of true relationship's start out with the people not even liking each other.
You're absolutely right. Someone could make an argument that Clark's true love is Alicia. You can also make the argument that it's Lois. There certainly are some subtle clues along the way that suggest that Clark and Lois have something special. However, I believe there is a mountain of evidence that supports the opinion that Clark belongs with Lana.
So he lusts after Lana...that shows love? That only showed me that he wanted to have sex with her. He is totally in awe of her superficial qualities when he sees her. Nothing more. Construction workers do the same thing.
I think it's a little more than that. He ends up at the school even though he apparently does'nt remember how to get there. He of course goes to see Lana. Lois expresses surprise to Chloe as to how he got there and chloe says, "I guess the heart remembers more than the brain". In this scene Clark tells Lana he can't believe that they had broken up because if he had felt anything close to what he feels now that should'nt have happened. Of course the audience believes that Clark and Lana broke up because Clark could'nt tell her the truth. He then tells her that things will be different this time and suggests they go on a date later that night. I think the audience is led to believe that he's going to do things differently this time and tell her the truth, but this never happens because Clark gets his memory back.
Anyway, I think I'll stay away from these Clana vs. Clois threads for awhile. You Clois fans are too tough for me. While I'll say that I'm a Clana fan I'm willing to admit that he belongs with Lois if the writers show me enough evidence of this and so far they have'nt.
zanaamen
02-13-2009, 07:21 AM
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I'm willing to admit that he belongs with Lois if the writers show me enough evidence of this and so far they have'nt.
I agree, if Lois where Lana I would have chosen Lois
disciples of zod
02-13-2009, 07:28 AM
Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMyHuCVaRaE
and the funny Spaghetti Cat, I weep for you! song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXHqoPHZCUM
wtf????? :confused:
~K
Isabel14
02-13-2009, 07:46 AM
I will start off by quoting something that a fellow cloiser wisely stated:
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The thing to remember about Lana Lang and her relationship with Clark Kent is that it is consistent throughout every single incarnation of Superman we have (from the comics, to the movies, to television).
How is it consistent?
It always ends.
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Another member stated the following and I had to add it:
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Soulmates are bound to be together, not separated from each other.
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Tonight people are getting angry and saying things like, “How can clois ever exist after all this?” The answer is not only obvious but very easy to explain.
Clois *will* live on, and Clois *will* replace Clana.
Why? How?
Let’s look at it this way:
1) Lana Lang slept with Lex Luthor and preferred him over Clark Kent. (season 6)
2) Lana Lang slept with Bizarro and preferred him over Clark. (season 7)
Yet in season 8 we are expected to believe that Lana Lang truly loves Clark Kent? And that Clark Kent loves Lana too? LOL. Yeah right!
If you can swallow the B.S listed above, then why not clois?
The only thing that clana has over clois is eight years of BS! Lana fans have stated, // Lois will never have what Lana had! // Lol. What exactly does Lana have right now? The complete hatred of millions of people?
Over the past 8 years Lana has been metaphorically and literally raped. She has been toyed with and tossed around from man to man. She has no identity. No true passion. Nothing. Her character has no self respect and believes that the only way to be someone’s equal is by possessing super powers. This is Lana Lang in SV. Who would ever want a similar fate for Lois Lane? Lol.
No thank you! Cloisers value Lois Lane and don’t want her reduced to a pathetic heap of garbage.
So will clois ever be clana? No way! But that's a good thing! LOL
So Lana fans, I hope you enjoyed this little arc because it's all you're getting.
Clana is officially dead and Smallville and Clois will live on!
I'm sorry but I don't agree I feel that this incarnation of Clark doesn't value so much Lois, and that is not something that soulmates do, right?
BULLITT
02-13-2009, 07:52 AM
Lois rocks the Casbah , it's just that simple.
Clana lovers, get over yourselves.:rotfl:
zanaamen
02-13-2009, 08:20 AM
I hope Lois’s infatution for Clark work and make you all happy because she seems to me so lovelorn and because Lana is not around is time to make her move
so, come on Lois let’s see what you got honey, bring it on!
Sunny8
02-14-2009, 08:31 PM
However, I believe there is a mountain of evidence that supports the opinion that Clark belongs with Lana.
Please show me that mountain of evidence because I never have seen what makes people think that they should be together. Even when they are together they immediately break up for one reason or another. I wrote this post a while back and nothing has changed to make me see that the Clark and Lana relationship was/is anything else but doomed:
I just wanted to comment on the fact that despite people saying that Clark and Lana have had this long, passionate love relationship, to me it appears that Lana and Clark have never really been together as boy/girlfriend for any real length of time. Except, of course, in season 7 when they moved in together. However, throughout the first few seasons they just moped about each other (admittedly, more Clark than Lana). When you really look at their relationship throughout the seasons you see the following:
Season 1- Lana was with Whitney and really did not notice Clark that much until Clark shows some interest in Chloe. He, on the other hand, has been in love (his words) with Lana since a very young age but never had a real relationship with her even as a friend.
Season 2- Clark backs off of Lana to let her get over the death of Whitney. All they really have is a friendship type of relationship. Clark meets Kyla but that falls apart. Towards the end of the season Clark and Lana get together for only a few weeks (that kiss under the tree). After that, Clark runs away to Metropolis after he destroys his ship to escape the fallout from that mishap.
Season 3- At the very beginning of the season Clark tells Lana that no matter how hard he has tried to be the one for her he does not think he is the one for her. During this season she stays in his "orbit" to see if they can hook-up. Meanwhile she is manipulated into a relationship with the magnetic boy (Seth) and later Adam appears in her life to spy on her and Clark. I'm not sure if Adam ever truly liked Lana. He was motivated to be around her by the fact that Lionel held his life in his hands through the medicine he provided for him to stay alive.
On Clarks side, he tries to be with Alicia (who would have been perfect for him if she was not crazy). By the end of this season Clark wants to get back together with Lana but she wants to go to Paris to study art.
Season 4- Lana is with Jason (to me the best boyfriend she has had until he turns evil). Clark gets with Alicia (who really messes up things by pushing too far too fast... again). The situation between Clark and Lana is left with Lana telling Clark she will always love him as the meteor shower is getting ready to hit Smallville.
Season 5- They get together, have their first sexual encounter together. BUT, no more than 2 weeks into the relationship Lana is leaving to go to Met U to study astronomy (I thought she was into art) without telling Clark. Things fall apart as soon as Clark regains his powers and cannot resume sexual relations with Lana. (And I have to say, Clark must be as good as he looks because Lana sure does want him...a lot!!! She was always the one trying to initiate sex between them. More often than not usually its the guy that does that. Evidently Clark thought he would kill her with his powers intact so maybe that dampened his libido some. But then again, Bizarro had no problems in season 7, so...)
Meanwhile, Lex helps to destroy their relationship further by introducing Hypno-ho (in Hypnotic) into their lives. Clark uses this excuse to break up again with Lana. By the end of this season Lana gets with Clarks enemy, Lex, despite Clark's and Chloe's warnings. (Could someone please tell me how Lana had never seen or heard about evil Lex since she has lived in Smallville and since people she was close to - Clark, Pete and Chloe - had experienced first hand the deviousness of this man and his family?)
Season 6-Lana is with Lex and acting like him. She has sex with Lex for the wrong reasons and thinks she is pregnant by him (why she would have unprotected sex with a man that has had sex with so many women is beyond me. Frankly, why she would have sex or a romantic relationship with him period is beyond me). She then tries to get Clark to tell her his secret after she learns that Chloe knows Clark's secret. She tries to get this secret from Clark despite the fact that she hasn't told him that she is pregnant by Lex (or at least thinks she is). Then she accepts Lex's proposal for the wrong reasons, marries Lex for the wrong reasons and lives a life of misery. Clark, meanwhile, is back to moping about Lana and thinks it is his fault that Lana is with Lex.
Season 7-Now this is when a real relationship between Clark and Lana begins. Lana appears in Clark's life again, she moves in with him and they are a very boring couple. Clark's already told her at the end of season 6 the biggest secret of his life (actually his only secret) so we would think that all should be well. However, on the surface Lana is like a giddy housewife while deep down she is harboring a dark nature. To top it off, she constantly lies to Clark (and after all the times she has told Clark she hated when he was "less than truthful"). Clark, on the other hand, is just so happy living the life he always wanted with Lana as his sweet and innocent hausfrau, or so he thinks.
Let me say at this point that it always seemed strange to me that after acquiring her 10 mil from Lex Lana's goals for becoming an Astronomer or an artist or entrepreneur or whatever, seemed to have vanished. It seems that after she moved in with billionaire Lex in season 6 her career goals went out the window. Can it be said then that her real ultimate goal in life was just to be some man's woman or wife as long as she had access to a lot of money?
Another thing- why couldn't she buy Clark some clothes with some of that 10 mil? Women usually try to help their men in that area if they need help (and Clark really needed help with all that red and blue he was wearing all the time) but Lana did not spend a dime on him it seems.
Further, Lana should be concentrating on her relationship with Clark now that they are finally together. But what does she do? She opens up the Isis Foundation (without Clark's knowledge) to spy on Lex and to hurt him for what he did to her (even though it was not his fault that she decided to be with him instead of someone nice. Also, she had been warned about him. Lex is what he is--evil, a liar, dangerous, etc, and everyone knew it except Lana). Lana blames Lex and thinks that Lex should pay for the evil she allowed him to do to her. She wants to make him pay for his evil ways but she does not seem to think that she should pay for the evil she has done in the past. She also did not object to his evil ways when he hid the fact that she killed Genevieve Teague at the end of season 4 while she was under the influence of Isabelle.
She also gets with Bizarro for ONE WHOLE MONTH. People defend her by saying that even Chloe did not recognize that Bizarro was not Clark. However, Chloe did not live with Clark, ever and she never had sex with Clark, ever. Chloe was never as intimate with Clark as Lana was. Also, Clark, unlike Bizarro, had never been openinngly affectionate with Lana so she should have known something was up. I mean she should have seen something different after living with that creature for ONE WHOLE MONTH. This to me shows to what extent Lana was willing to go to to have her fantasy relationship with someone as gorgeous as Clark. She does not like Clark's personality as she admittedly says she preferred Bizarro--"he was more understanding, more affectionate"...I suppose she loved the way Bizarro affectionately and with such understanding killed those people in that DVD she viewed in Nemesis in season 6...couldn't resist----. In the end I think Lana got along with Bizarro so well because she was so much like him--surface beauty, hidden darkness.
Lana eventually gets Brainiac-ed. After she is released from his influence she pretty much says (in her 'Dear John' video to Clark...this girl loves video break-ups) that she realizes that she has been holding Clark back from his destiny, but she loves him (Oh really, Lana? Or you sure that it wasn't that you just realized that after being in excruciating pain and not being able to express it, being in Clark's orbit can be hazardous to your health? Anyway, she's outta there with her 10 mil)
Season 8-Lana shows up in Bride. She now seems to be fighting crime, I guess. It seems she always defined herself by the man she was with at the time (that is why she needed to know Clark's secret so badly because she needed to know the real him to be like him). Since the last man she was with (Clark) is a superhero she appears to have taken on that persona I suppose. Of course, I could be wrong since I have only seen her in the one episode this season.
At least she seemed to have matured, though. Clark also. I don't think he is still stuck on her as much as before. I think he is still hurt about the way she just left him without talking with him face to face. Either way, he has to be able to find closure in his relationship with Lana.
Aside from the relationship between Clark and Lana, I am really hoping that since this season has been so well written that the writers do a good job with Lana. I have disliked her character in the past because she was written so horribly in past seasons. But I did kind of like her more in the Bride episode, so hopefully she will be a much better Lana for the next few episodes that she is in.
Except for TPTB putting them together again and again, I don't see anything that would make me think that Clark and Lana were meant to be. They were never happy with each other. They are dysfunctional together like a couple that get off on being domestically violent with each other. Those couples can't stay away from each other like Lana and Clark, but they need to stay away from each other just like Lana and Clark, because all they cause each other is pain. Lana is toxic to Clark and she didn't need a power suit infested with kryptonite to prove it.
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Anyway, I think I'll stay away from these Clana vs. Clois threads for awhile. You Clois fans are too tough for me. While I'll say that I'm a Clana fan I'm willing to admit that he belongs with Lois if the writers show me enough evidence of this and so far they have'nt.
I'm not a Clois fan. I just don't see that Lana and Clark's relationship has ever worked in SV.
doodie8808
02-14-2009, 09:14 PM
clark is not superman therfore he will not make superman (smart) decisions. i say lana is second choice as he always choose everything over her to his secert all these years anyway. sometimes you save the best for last and that is what is happining with clois. seems to me all clark wanted was a booty call because he sure seems to be in lois face in the next episode, sex must have not been so super after all! Must be tired of the same thing. if this won't have broken them up something else would have so i personally don't see how u can be in love sinse 5 with that clana loses credit for being realistic. i would have like clana if it was for not all the almost moments and the way they act around each other, when they r together they are weak and whiney but apart they are strong! i liked season 4 lana she was awesome if they would have made her like that through out the series i would have liked her character but lois is who i love because i can relate to her! She is awesome! a lot of problems clana with throught they brought on them selves so i really don't have any pity for them!
geminis
02-14-2009, 11:28 PM
Please show me that mountain of evidence because I never have seen what makes people think that they should be together. Even when they are together they immediately break up for one reason or another. I wrote this post a while back and nothing has changed to make me see that the Clark and Lana relationship was/is anything else but doomed:
Except for TPTB putting them together again and again, I don't see anything that would make me think that Clark and Lana were meant to be. They were never happy with each other. They are dysfunctional together like a couple that get off on being domestically violent with each other. Those couples can't stay away from each other like Lana and Clark, but they need to stay away from each other just like Lana and Clark, because all they cause each other is pain. Lana is toxic to Clark and she didn't need a power suit infested with kryptonite to prove it.
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I'm not a Clois fan. I just don't see that Lana and Clark's relationship has ever worked in SV.
This was a terrific summation. I have a horrible memory and also Lana was never a main interest to me. My own personal problem with the Clana relationship besides those already mentioned is that Clark and Lana idealize each other-they place each other on pedestals and those solitary platforms have shaky foundations. Both keep secrets but Lana harps on Clark for keeping his confidential while not admitting her own.
Neither person is perfect but they demand/expect it.
In any case, for me I don't want to make this about Clois vs. Clana, although we tend to argue pro and con anyway.
Accepting Clois is easy for me because despite Clark's bonus features he is vulnerable and fallible, especially when it comes to the delicate nature of emotions and love. They (his emotions, his love of his fellow man) along with Kryptonite and magic are the few true weaknesses he possesses. Emotions and love are also Lois' weakness. Is this a coincidence? I think not.
Lois treats Clark like a human, apt to err and blunder; no Clark on a pedestal for her. And he does make mistakes. People forget the second part in the name she bestowed on him: SuperMAN. Clark is super, but he is also a man, not a god.
Lois possesses a strong sense of herself, no need to aspire to super powers; Lois as she is is good enough.
Lois has called keeping secrets to protect someone retarded, but neither does she push to have them revealed. Instead, she understands that the secret keeper will reveal them willingly when he/she chooses.
Lois will certainly go gaga over his bonus features, but she has already told Clark that in love she would consider extraterrestrial origins as an endearing quirk.
Marriage and family is also very important to her. She is willing to wait for true commitment and she protects those she loves, even when they fail her.
This has turned into mostly a longish pro Lois post. Perhaps later I'll list my reasons for Clark.
In any case, Clois as a pair have never let me down so accepting them is easy.
actaeon
02-15-2009, 09:14 AM
Sunny8, I like your analysis.
I never saw Clark and Lana as a great love. I see it as young love... inexperienced, a bit foolish, too-passionate ("passionate" largely in the sense of passion as suffering). It always seemed long on angst, short on any kind of real affection or mutual understanding.
When Clark couldn't be with Lana, he ached for her. When he was with her, he suffered. Then they'd break up so he could suffer some more. Where was the joy, the fulfillment?
There's an analogy with Romeo and Juliet. Young, passionate and foolish... (fools, because they both end up dead.) They are "star-crossed lovers", star-crossed because Fate is against them. Their love is not written in the stars. Well Lana and Clark are not fated to be either-- it is written in the comics!
Lois and Clark are meant to be, it is their destiny. But it's not just that: these two relate as adults, not angsty adolescents. They have a relaxed, easy manner with each other... not the clumsy boy who's afraid to be around a girl, who's nervous and just learning the ropes. Lois & Clark have an easy familiarity typified by their sophisticated banter. I say it's sophisticated because they each understand the subtext: they express affection through their "insults". Clark was never so light-hearted around Lana. Only around Lois does Clark have such unspoken understanding. Lois & Clark have a connection, they really "get" each other. This brings out a whole new side of Clark, who is normally socially awkward. I take it as a powerful sign that they are meant to be together.
geminis
02-15-2009, 09:20 AM
^^ Exactly!
InAFlash
02-15-2009, 09:34 AM
Please show me that mountain of evidence because I never have seen what makes people think that they should be together. Even when they are together they immediately break up for one reason or another. I wrote this post a while back and nothing has changed to make me see that the Clark and Lana relationship was/is anything else but doomed:
Except for TPTB putting them together again and again, I don't see anything that would make me think that Clark and Lana were meant to be. They were never happy with each other. They are dysfunctional together like a couple that get off on being domestically violent with each other. Those couples can't stay away from each other like Lana and Clark, but they need to stay away from each other just like Lana and Clark, because all they cause each other is pain. Lana is toxic to Clark and she didn't need a power suit infested with kryptonite to prove it.
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I'm not a Clois fan. I just don't see that Lana and Clark's relationship has ever worked in SV.
Okay maybe when I said Clark and Lana "belong together" it was a bad choice of words. However, there is clearly a great deal of evidence to suggests that they love one another very deeply. TPTB have suggested from the beginning that the Clark and Lana relationship would end tragically. So like Romeo and Juliet these two are star crossed lovers that were never meant to be. Many writers throughout history have written about the greatest love that two people can have for one another and these affairs often end tragically. There's Romeo and Juliet, The West Side Story, and anyone who reads poetry will find countless examples of this. I believe Smallville's version of Clark Kent and Lana Lang are another example of this.
When you say their relationship was anything but doomed I agree, but I disagree when you say they were never happy with one another. At the end of S2 they are clearly quite happy together as they begin what looks like a wonderful relationship. However, Clark is not normal and because Jor-El forces him to face his destiny the relationship ends abrubtly. At the beginning of S3 Lana stills wants to be with Clark very much. This begins Clark's inability to be honest with Lana and keeps them apart until the beginning of S5. At the Beginning of S5 Clark loses his abilities and sees this as an opportunity to be with Lana. So once again they start a relationship and everything is wonderful. They are clearly very happy together until Clark gets his abilities back. Once again Clark's inability to be honest with her ends their relationship and sends her into the arms of Lex. On the day that she is to marry Lex, Lana discovers Clark's secret and realizes that she still loves him and wants to be with him. Lionel then intervenes and blackmails Lana into marrying Lex keeping them apart yet again.
Finally, they get together at the beginning of S7. During this period of time their relationship is anything but perfect. Lana's behavior toward Lionel, her abuse of Clark's powers and her believing that Bizarro is Clark all threaten to break them up. However, they are still together after all these incidents and this if anything should say something about their desire to persevere through difficult times. Unfortunately they are broken up once again this time by external forces - first Brainiac and then Tess and Lex's henchmen who force Lana to make the videotape. Finally in S8 they make one final attempt to be together. Lana returns and realizes that she wants to do good in this world. She admits to her trainer that she once had powers but abused them and wants to be mentally prepared to accept them the next time. In this five episode arc Lana is portrayed as much more mature than in previous seasons and she is trying to become the woman Clark can love. She puts on the Prometheus suit and becomes an equal to Clark. It seems they can now have the perfect relationship. They both have superpowers and they both want to save the world. They are clearly happy together at the beginning of "Requiem" in the bedroom scene. The end of their relationship would come shortly after and once again by an outside force - Lex Luther. At the end of this episode they clearly express their love for one another in the loft scene.
Here are a few more examples that suggest Clark and Lana love each other:
1. In "Slumber" Sarah Conroy says to Clark, "I may have been in your dreams, but Lana is clearly the girl of your dreams".
2. In "Relic" Clark's father Jor-El falls in love with Lana's aunt Louise. Louise is shot to death as these two star crossed lovers are not meant to be. This is foreshadowing for what happens to Clark and Lana although Lana does not die.
3. In "Blank" Clark with no memory immediately remembers his feelings for Lana upon seeing her for the first time. Although he does'nt know how to get there he ends up at the school to see Lana. Lois expressess surprise to Chloe about how he got there and Chloe responds "I guess the heart remembers more than the brain".
4. In "Spirit" Clark ends up at the dance with Lois who is possessed by Dawn. When Clark says to Lois you at least deserve a dance, Lois points across the room to Lana and says that's who you want to dance with.
5. In "Reckoning" Clark shares with Lana his secret for the first time and asks her to marry him. She says yes but then dies in an accident which is more foreshadowing of how their relationship would end tragically. This realty of course gets erased but is still strong evidence that these two love one another.
6. In "Promise" Lana is willing to leave Lex at the altar when she learns Clark's secret until Lionel intervenes.
7. In "Persona", despite what Lana may have felt for Bizarro she kills him to save Clark.
8. In "Requiem" Lex himself admits that Clark and Lana are star crossed lovers and uses Clark's biggest weakness to keep them apart forever.
Well there's your evidence. Keep in mind I never said it was the perfect relationship. No relationship is perfect, especially on TV.
oqllcksmallville
02-15-2009, 10:19 AM
I just didn't like how the writers had Clark dismiss Lois after their almost kiss...He should of showed more respect for Lois.
me neither .
but you know , when you think your in love or are you do stupid things .
he just needs time to move on from Lana to Lois .
after 8 consecutive years of this crap ..
what can you expect ? :rolleyes:
Jawth
02-15-2009, 02:33 PM
Truth be told, Clark's continued desire and love for Lana is also in the comics.
It isn't that he stops loving Lana, its just that he gradually comes to love Lois more.
He moves on. We just gotta give it time.
No, it really isn't. Silver Age Superman basically said that Lana was who he loved as a boy, but now it's all about Lois. He even went as far as to say the only reason he didn't make a move on Lois was because he didn't know how to let Lana down.
Byrne's Lana was obsessed with Clark who thought of her as a sister.
Modern Lana tried to steal Clark away from Lois, and it didn't work.
Sunny8
02-15-2009, 04:50 PM
Okay maybe when I said Clark and Lana "belong together" it was a bad choice of words. However, there is clearly a great deal of evidence to suggests that they love one another very deeply. TPTB have suggested from the beginning that the Clark and Lana relationship would end tragically. So like Romeo and Juliet these two are star crossed lovers that were never meant to be. Many writers throughout history have written about the greatest love that two people can have for one another and these affairs often end tragically. There's Romeo and Juliet, The West Side Story, and anyone who reads poetry will find countless examples of this. I believe Smallville's version of Clark Kent and Lana Lang are another example of this.
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Well there's your evidence. Keep in mind I never said it was the perfect relationship. No relationship is perfect, especially on TV.
This is great, InAFlash, but all you have summarized for me is how they do not fit together and why. They might want each other, like a drug addict wants their drug of choice, but they do not work well together. If someone asked me why, I would show them your post. This is excellent!
ClLaLeChFAN01
02-16-2009, 06:24 AM
I'm willing to bet money if Lana had been infected with BLUE Kryptonite, he would have stayed with her. After all, he wouldn't be killed if it was blue k-nite, he's just be stripped of his powers! :rolleyes:
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True, but then wont Lana run the risk of killing Clark if she is not careful? If you know what I mean...:rotfl:
InAFlash
02-16-2009, 09:50 AM
This is great, InAFlash, but all you have summarized for me is how they do not fit together and why. They might want each other, like a drug addict wants their drug of choice, but they do not work well together. If someone asked me why, I would show them your post. This is excellent!
Well I'm glad we can agree on something. For the record I still believe that Clark and Lana love each other and could have been happy together if fate had'nt intervened.
ClLaLeChFAN01
02-16-2009, 04:51 PM
Lois treats Clark like a human, apt to err and blunder; no Clark on a pedestal for her. And he does make mistakes. People forget the second part in the name she bestowed on him: SuperMAN. Clark is super, but he is also a man, not a god.
I like what you said here, very true.
Lois possesses a strong sense of herself, no need to aspire to super powers; Lois as she is is good enough. I've said that in other posts that Lois as is, is AWESOME!
Lois has called keeping secrets to protect someone retarded, but neither does she push to have them revealed. Instead, she understands that the secret keeper will reveal them willingly when he/she chooses. I thought she was contradicting herself, but it does make sense.
Lois will certainly go gaga over his bonus features, but she has already told Clark that in love she would consider extraterrestrial origins as an endearing quirk. LOL
Marriage and family is also very important to her. She is willing to wait for true commitment and she protects those she loves, even when they fail her.
This has turned into mostly a longish pro Lois post. Perhaps later I'll list my reasons for Clark.
In any case, Clois as a pair have never let me down so accepting them is easy.
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I really like what you had to say. Im not a CHLARKER/anti-CHLARKER, CLOISER/anti-CLOISER, OR A CLANAER/anti-CLANAER (sorry if I miss spelled somewhere)! What I am is tired of watching a failed relationship sink over and over and over again. I get it, it makes great tv, WHATEVER!
I didnt want to see this thread at first because I thought I wouldnt like it, I was wrong!
What I like is the comparisons to Lana in the comics to Lana on Smallville. I dont read the comics (not that I dont like them, I just dont and wont know where to start). I believe from what other peoples posts is that they (producers) stayed true to Lana's character! She makes questionable acts of morality.
I could see that wearing a suit that was created by Lex Luthor was a HORRIBLE idea because he knows that suit and could use it against her. Wait, he did.... However, I understand why Lana did it. So she can make her mark on the world, but isnt stealing 10 million dollars from her ex enough to save the world? Money and free time is all Oliver Queen had and he turned out to be a pretty awesome hero! He makes questionable decisions at times, but AWESOME! WAIT just a second, maybe Oliver and Lana should hook up?
So lets say Lana is a bicycle and Lois is a Harley-Davidson (This is from what Lois said in an episode, but Im changing it just a little) Clark for years has had a bicycle, he loves this bicycle and rides all over town on this bicycle (lol, sorry I had to laugh a little). He was money saving for a better bicycleor to improve his beloved bicycle, but when he opened up his piggy bank and realized he wasnt saving for a new bike but a Harley-Davidson (a big money difference, I know) he has found his new love. But he still loves his bicycle and he had great adventures with his bicycle, but he would never trade his trust worthy Harley in for anything. The bicycle is his past, The Harley-Davidson is his future! I hope this makes sense!
dcmarriott
02-17-2009, 08:25 AM
Sunny8,
There's an analogy with Romeo and Juliet. Young, passionate and foolish... (fools, because they both end up dead.) They are "star-crossed lovers", star-crossed because Fate is against them. Their love is not written in the stars. Well Lana and Clark are not fated to be either-- it is written in the comics!
Well put. And you have to remember that Romeo and Juliet did not end up together.
I think Lois and Clark are more like Hero and Benedict in Mucha Ado About Nothing. Those two started out trading insults and jibes, but eventually realized that they actually loved each other, and that their bickering was just a cover to hide their true feelings. And Hero and Benedict do end up together at the end of the play!
InAFlash
02-18-2009, 10:00 AM
It appears Clark's feelings for Lana would be a major obstacle to him starting a relationship with Lois, but what about the other things that could keep them apart. The most obvious being the fact that he's an alien from another planet with supernatural abilities. We saw how difficult an obstacle this was for Clark when he wanted to be with Lana. This problem will obviously not go away nor will his habit of lying about it to protect himself and those he wants to keep safe.
My guess is she won't find out this season and so any possible relationship between them this season will be difficult for the same reason he could'nt hook up with Lana from S1 through S6. Assuming however that she does find out either on her own or because Clark was honest with her, that leads to another obstacle -- sex. Will they be able to have a sexual relationship? In S7 we learn through a conversation between Lana and Chloe that Clark and Lana usually can not have sex. So we have to assume that Clark and Lois can not have a normal sex life. In S7 Lana sacrificed a normal sex life to be with the man she loves. If this does'nt indicate love I don't know what does. However, will Lois do the same thing?
In this recent five episode Lana arc the writers dealt with this issue. Lana sacrificed her body in an experiment where she did'nt know the outcome. This experiment could have failed and she could have died. Her willingness to do this also shows how much she loves Clark. IMO she did this to be the kind of woman that Clark could love. Like it or not she became someone who gave up a normal life to help save humanity, like Clark does everyday. It also allowed her to have an intimate relationship with him before she absorbed the kryptonite. Would Lois be willing to make the same sacrifice?
As far as I'm concerned these are all important issues for the writers going forward. They can't just rush these two together and erase 8 seasons of Clana without considering all of this. IMO the writers won't do this and so I don't think it will be as easy for Lois and Clark as some people think.
jjsmallvillelvr
02-18-2009, 10:06 AM
You know Inaflash, we could defend Clana till the day we die, and I highly doubt that any of these people will ever agree! lol. They are Cloisers for the most part, and that's what they want...just like we want Clana. lol. That's why the Clana realationship thread and the Clana fanfic threads are so much more fun of places to be then here...no offense guys. lol. continue on arguing everybody! Peace out!
zanaamen
02-18-2009, 10:11 AM
You know Inaflash, we could defend Clana till the day we die, and I highly doubt that any of these people will ever agree! lol. They are Cloisers for the most part, and that's what they want...just like we want Clana. lol. That's why the Clana realationship thread and the Clana fanfic threads are so much more fun of places to be then here...no offense guys. lol. continue on arguing everybody! Peace out!
Agreed, Clois fan never admit that but they Know that Clana is a legend of SV
dcmarriott
02-18-2009, 11:25 AM
In our defence, I would like to point out that the original Clois fans were two guys named Joe Shuster and Jerry Seigel.
jjsmallvillelvr
02-18-2009, 11:40 AM
lol
Jedimaster_TTBaby
02-18-2009, 11:50 AM
The more I read these threads, the more I begin to realize that it is not Clois that can not be saved...it's actually the story that can't. I hope the writers really buck up!
LoveHurts38
02-18-2009, 01:39 PM
In our defence, I would like to point out that the original Clois fans were two guys named Joe Shuster and Jerry Seigel.
Amen ...which started in 1938:p
InAFlash
02-19-2009, 01:42 PM
You know Inaflash, we could defend Clana till the day we die, and I highly doubt that any of these people will ever agree! lol. They are Cloisers for the most part, and that's what they want...just like we want Clana. lol. That's why the Clana realationship thread and the Clana fanfic threads are so much more fun of places to be then here...no offense guys. lol. continue on arguing everybody! Peace out!
I'm starting to agree with you jjsmallvillelvr. I'm ready to give up. I'm not sure any of us will ever know the intentions of the writers unless they come out and say what they actually meant to do. I don't even think watching the show until it's conclusion will give us all the answers.
In our defence, I would like to point out that the original Clois fans were two guys named Joe Shuster and Jerry Seigel.
But why does that story have to be this story? Not all versions of the Superman story are the same. They all share certain basic ideas but each is unique and can stand on it's own. Why can't Smallville be allowed to do that?
Dyanara
02-19-2009, 08:02 PM
One of the things in every Superman story that remains the same no matter what is that Lois Lane is the love of Clark Kent's life...deal with it and move on
darkone
02-21-2009, 11:14 AM
One of the things in every Superman story that remains the same no matter what is that Lois Lane is the love of Clark Kent's life...deal with it and move on
Well in this story Lois is sloppy seconds/consolation prize/silver medal call it whatever you want. It's time time for you to settle for it and move on.
harryandginnyfanatic
02-21-2009, 11:34 AM
So you say. But the show isn't over yet. ;)
Smokethatkryptonite
02-21-2009, 12:13 PM
Unfortunately thanks to the utterly retarded way they ended Clana, no matter how they do it Lois will look like a second choice for Clark. Fact is Lois will always be Clark's one true love in Superman lore and it's a pre requisite that the two end up together no matter how many Clana, Chlark, Clex fans fell can change. But the ptb sure went out on their way to royally f*ck up the relationship as best as they could.
jjsmallvillelvr
02-22-2009, 02:56 AM
One of the things in every Superman story that remains the same no matter what is that Lois Lane is the love of Clark Kent's life...deal with it and move on
Well in this story Lois is sloppy seconds/consolation prize/silver medal call it whatever you want. It's time time for you to settle for it and move on.
lol such hate towards each other...lets all get along and play nice!:)
InAFlash
02-22-2009, 06:24 AM
lol such hate towards each other...lets all get along and play nice!:)
I agree jjsmallvillelvr. Although a fan of Clana I love Lois' character on this show and ED does a great job. If the writers want to do Clois I'm up for it. It's their show and I can accept whatever they want to show me.
I just can't understand why so many fans are upset with the possibility that Clark may love Lana more than Lois on this show. I grew up reading Superman comics and watching the Superman movies and The Adventures Of Lois & Clark. But they're just stories and I enjoyed them for what they are without getting too attached to them. I let them go and move on to the next story. One of the reasons I enjoy Smallville is that it's a newer fresher version of the story. If Smallville wants to be different than all of the other versions of the story I can accept that.
Let me just add that I don't think we will get a definitive answer as to who Clark really loves by the end of S8. This would not be a wise thing for the writers to do in terms of marketing. In order to sell the most S8 DVDs they should keep this question unanswered. There's plenty of Clana in S8 to keep those fans happy for now. If they make it clear that Clana is finished for good, I don't think they'll sell as many DVDs.
jjsmallvillelvr
02-22-2009, 06:26 AM
I agree jjsmallvillelvr. Although a fan of Clana I love Lois' character on this show and ED does a great job. If the writers want to do Clois I'm up for it. It's their show and I can accept whatever they want to show me.
I just can't understand why so many fans are upset with the possibility that Clark may love Lana more than Lois on this show. I grew up reading Superman comics and watching the Superman movies and The Adventures Of Lois & Clark. But they're just stories and I enjoyed them for what they are without getting too attached to them. I let them go and move on to the next story. One of the reasons I enjoy Smallville is that it's a newer fresher version of the story. If Smallville wants to be different than all of the other versions of the story I can accept that.
Let me just add that I don't think we will get a definitive answer as to who Clark really loves by the end of S8. This would not be a wise thing for the writers to do in terms of marketing. In order to sell the most S8 DVDs they should keep this question unanswered. There's plenty of Clana in S8 to keep those fans happy for now. If they make it clear that Clana is finished for good, I don't think they'll sell as many DVDs.
i agree with that!
actaeon
02-22-2009, 09:40 AM
Well in this story Lois is sloppy seconds/consolation prize/silver medal call it whatever you want.
Second chronologically is not the same as second-best.
Love is not a race. Coming in "second" in a race is second-best. This is not an argument that because young and foolish high school boy Clark Kent first made googly-eyes at the pretty and shallow Lana Lang, it follows that she was The One. He became obsessed with her, he put her on a pedestal. That is not the same as True Love. The main reason he obsessed over her for so long was because he couldn't have her.
Lois is for the long haul. Lois is the choice for Clark Kent the man, not Clark Kent the confused lovestruck boy.
First jobs are things like bag boy or golf caddy. Only as an adult can a man have a career as a neurosurgeon or judge. Does this mean that being a neurosurgeon is "second best"?
First cars tend to be old beaters like a dented Accord with 115k on the odometer. Only an adult deserves (or can handle) a Ferrari. Does this mean that the Ferrari is "second best"?
Malorie
02-23-2009, 12:09 AM
Second chronologically is not the same as second-best.
Love is not a race. Coming in "second" in a race is second-best. This is not an argument that because young and foolish high school boy Clark Kent first made googly-eyes at the pretty and shallow Lana Lang, it follows that she was The One. He became obsessed with her, he put her on a pedestal. That is not the same as True Love. The main reason he obsessed over her for so long was because he couldn't have her.
Lois is for the long haul. Lois is the choice for Clark Kent the man, not Clark Kent the confused lovestruck boy.
First jobs are things like bag boy or golf caddy. Only as an adult can a man have a career as a neurosurgeon or judge. Does this mean that being a neurosurgeon is "second best"?
First cars tend to be old beaters like a dented Accord with 115k on the odometer. Only an adult deserves (or can handle) a Ferrari. Does this mean that the Ferrari is "second best"?
Thank you for such a great post! :)
Right now the whole second-choice angle is the only thing that can be tossed at clois, so it doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I'm laughing at it now because we all know that love isn't about who is first or second, it's about what lasts. And unlike clana, clois ALWAYS lasts!
That is one thing that no clana fan can every say, that clana lasts and endures. It's never done that, in any incarnation of Superman. Ever. And thanks to DC and their restrictions, that's never going to change! :)
skugers
02-23-2009, 12:22 AM
Second chronologically is not the same as second-best.
Love is not a race. Coming in "second" in a race is second-best. This is not an argument that because young and foolish high school boy Clark Kent first made googly-eyes at the pretty and shallow Lana Lang, it follows that she was The One. He became obsessed with her, he put her on a pedestal. That is not the same as True Love. The main reason he obsessed over her for so long was because he couldn't have her.
Lois is for the long haul. Lois is the choice for Clark Kent the man, not Clark Kent the confused lovestruck boy.
First jobs are things like bag boy or golf caddy. Only as an adult can a man have a career as a neurosurgeon or judge. Does this mean that being a neurosurgeon is "second best"?
First cars tend to be old beaters like a dented Accord with 115k on the odometer. Only an adult deserves (or can handle) a Ferrari. Does this mean that the Ferrari is "second best"?
Or a Harley!!!
LMAO!!:rotfl::rotfl:
Great post! Thank you!
Malorie
02-23-2009, 01:20 AM
Or a Harley!!!
LMAO!!:rotfl::rotfl:
Great post! Thank you!
So Lois is a Ferrari and a Harley! Nice!! I love all these metaphors! They make sense and they exemplify the awesomeness that is Lois and clois!!! :)
ClLaLeChFAN01
02-23-2009, 05:17 AM
actaeon that was a GREAT POST! I LOVED IT and AGREE WITH YOU! I never consider myself a Clana fan or a Clois fan! I believe that Clark and Lana relationship had run it course like two years ago. Plus I dont think that Clark and Lois should get together in this show (unless it is an AU), but I do like how their friendship is taken shape. I believe that when Clark becomes Superman, that has when they can be together. Not the same day he becomes Superman, but a few years later.
skugers
02-23-2009, 05:20 AM
actaeon that was a GREAT POST! I LOVED IT and AGREE WITH YOU! I never consider myself a Clana fan or a Clois fan! I believe that Clark and Lana relationship had run it course like two years ago. Plus I dont think that Clark and Lois should get together in this show (unless it is an AU), but I do like how their friendship is taken shape. I believe that when Clark becomes Superman, that has when they can be together. Not the same day he becomes Superman, but a few years later.
Yeah, maybe they shouldn't but I like the teasing :D
It's so relaxing to follow their genuine tease and banter. I'm happy when I'm 'served' with that by the PS3 :D
tj_powers
02-23-2009, 04:01 PM
actaeon that was a GREAT POST! I LOVED IT and AGREE WITH YOU! I never consider myself a Clana fan or a Clois fan! I believe that Clark and Lana relationship had run it course like two years ago. Plus I dont think that Clark and Lois should get together in this show (unless it is an AU), but I do like how their friendship is taken shape. I believe that when Clark becomes Superman, that has when they can be together. Not the same day he becomes Superman, but a few years later.
agreed! in alot of what is shaping up on smallville, it ruins the mythos that they all should have happened when he was already Superman. Since TPTB doesnt want to see the tights or the flying and what-not... then maybe they need to redraft their ideas because the more they reveal now... makes it less interesting on how the show will end. Although, them hooking up and him turning superman could still happen at the same time since in the original mythos, Clark never met Lois until he was Superman... so maybe in the end of this show... she could be the one telling him to put on the cape... or maybe it ends with the beginning of Superboy, who would now be Clark and Lois' child ha ha
Luthorism
02-28-2009, 02:28 AM
I agree jjsmallvillelvr. Although a fan of Clana I love Lois' character on this show and ED does a great job. If the writers want to do Clois I'm up for it. It's their show and I can accept whatever they want to show me.
Not every Clana fan is like you. They despise Cloisers unfortunately :(
oqllcksmallville
03-01-2009, 09:27 PM
i like the part where you're like ,
" how was is that consistent ?
it always ends . "
it's true ,
and it's foreal .
tj_powers
03-02-2009, 10:27 AM
arent u the poetic one! lol
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