What the hell is happening to Oliver?

[thebog1]

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[Liquid-Prince]

So far the intro is awesome.

thebog1, the he noticed the bomb because that thing was moving awkwardly. Then it suddenly stopped.

[dru-zod2501]

they've succeeded in turning him into a villain almost as dastardly as Lex. But to what end? Why take him down this path? I don't get it at all

[Anklh]

I will have to watch it again but something is up with the guy in the green suit.

[ledzepfan23]

Idk where this story line is going but he looked seriously evil at the end with Lex's ring.

[thehenry89]

they're screwing him over. oliver is not the villan, can someone who reads green arrow comics tell me if oliver has ever done anything this wrong.

[davidbrenton]

I really enjoyed Oliver this episode. It made him much more interesting. I also liked that they had Lex's picture justapositioned with Oliver's with Oliver holding Lex's ring. It symbolized a darkening and perhaps a life within Oliver similar to Lex's.

I enjoy what it means for him and his future struggle.

[ManOfSteel87]

I said the same thing in another thread. Not only do I think any future Clois is in real trouble at this point, but they are really making a mess of Oliver too. Killed Lex and blackmailed Chloe, not superhero behavior IMO.

[green_arrow_girl358]

i swear if they make ollie out to be some sort of bad guy i'll.....

too bad it's looking that way

he's really taking a beating this season though

[nede]

i cnt believe where there going with oliver and chloe!

they r not the heroes i know

this is crap...they better not start making chloe a villian...i got ticked off that there kinda foreshadowing her into a darker path...:mad:

[kyl-el]

they've succeeded in turning him into a villain almost as dastardly as Lex. But to what end? Why take him down this path? I don't get it at all

You could also ask why they are turning Superman into a sappy, whiny, baby. They do it because it gets us roused up and keeps us watching, not because its the right thing to do.

[redeem147]

I don't think Oliver is a nice, well-adjusted sweetheart of a guy in the comics.

[Mrs. Superman]

You could also ask why they are turning Superman into a sappy, whiny, baby. They do it because it gets us roused up and keeps us watching, not because its the right thing to do.
Unfortunately this is the truth!

[dru-zod2501]

You could also ask why they are turning Superman into a sappy, whiny, baby. They do it because it gets us roused up and keeps us watching, not because its the right thing to do.
Turning Clark into a sappy, whiny baby sucks, but what they did with Oliver was straight up villainy!! there's a difference between riling us up, and character assassination

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

In the comics, does oliver go over the end and is willing to kill people?

[Luthor5339]

I don't know, it's as he said- Lex was a truly bad guy. Would you kill Hitler? I'd fire the bullet in a heart beat... my feeling is that Oliver had the same view towards Lex after all of the things Lex has done over the years and would go on to do.

May be against hero code, but still brings up interesting dilemmas to tackle. Kinda like the death penalty controversy-

[SuperheroFan87]

I'm an avid reader of the Green Arrow comics........another superhero has been tarnished by PS3. Ollie is tough and cynical in the comics, but he would never cross that moral line and then resort to blackmail. So not his style. Do PS3 just hate superheroes? Or are they trying to get us to kill ourselves?

[outsyder]

they're screwing him over. oliver is not the villan, can someone who reads green arrow comics tell me if oliver has ever done anything this wrong.

Actually, Green Arrow has always been something of a flawed individual while also a valiant hero. Not saying that he's ever resorted to murder, but the man has compromised his integrity on several occasions either behind or without the mask, he was a pretty messed up guy through the 90's.

I think they're trying to capture this (and I mean, you know, as far as Smallville continuity goes, he's always been the type that broke a few eggs to make an omlete ala bombs and 'terrorism'.) and establish it as a part of his character, but I'd have to side with the general mass and ask where exactly they're taking this.

My only thought is that possibly Lex has done something to him, I mean, Ollie owns Lex Corp now and that could be a nod to something.

I'm not saying it's genius writing, but at this point it's anyone guess.

[unfocused]

I have to agree that I too enjoyed Oliver in this episode, immensely.

What's so wrong about telling a story of a hero going through a dark time in his life? The Green Arrow is no stranger to darkness, and many heroes have been through it before.

This is Oliver's time now. You may not like it, but he will come out a stronger man and even a better hero. Just wait and see :)

[skylar]

Oliver thinks he's doing the right thing by killing Lex and in some way i
agree. Lex makes the world a bad place and Ollie wants to change that.

[Theshadow129x]

Oliver in this episode was pretty good. He isnt a boy scout and really believes in killing one for the many. he isnt superman and doesnt aspire to be someone like that. he wants to rid the world of evil but not by fighting the good fight Clark, but by giving them what they deserve. it was nice to see them go that route this episode. it was the best thing about to it to be honest.

[bcooper56]

You could also ask why they are turning Superman into a sappy, whiny, baby. They do it because it gets us roused up and keeps us watching, not because its the right thing to do.
Because that is when rating are high if they turn him into superman to quick all sappy people will stop watching but really the most people who watch it are not superman fans like people on the board

[nede]

there making him b hypocritical .....in bulletproof , he was all "they've crossed a line" nd those guys were killing or beating up the BAD guys TOO (except for some guys, like john jones who didnt deserve it)

wen wats his name was almost gunna kill this criminal who killed his PARTNER....its all of a sudden bad...but wen its ollie killing lex its all of a sudden justice.....

[SuperFan85]

I like Oliver's storyline and how they're exploring his dark side. I think this was pretty much the culmination of Oliver's path down the dark side. From here, I think he'll be trying to find redemption, and I think that will prove easy, when he discovers Lex is actually not dead.

[KryptonStones]

Oliver Queen...the Green Arrow...is not supposed to.....kill anyone??? I sometimes wonder if these people still remember that this show is based on comic book characters...and such they're supposed to retain the characteristics those comic book characters have...in the freakin' COMICS. I don't understand this, "Oliver has a darker path.." nonsense. Hey, it's just my little ole opinion, but why the hell does Oliver need to have...a dark path. The dude is NOT BATMAN! It's amazing how they just compromised every single character in comic book freakin' continuity.....I can't believe episodes ago I was praising these ppl.....

[susangail]

Oliver Queen...the Green Arrow...is not supposed to.....kill anyone??? I sometimes wonder if these people still remember that this show is based on comic book characters...and such they're supposed to retain the characteristics those comic book characters have...in the freakin' COMICS. I don't understand this, "Oliver has a darker path.." nonsense. Hey, it's just my little ole opinion, but why the hell does Oliver need to have...a dark path. The dude is NOT BATMAN! It's amazing how they just compromised every single character in comic book freakin' continuity.....I can't believe episodes ago I was praising these ppl.....

I really loved what SV did with Oliver Queen. In the comics, he's a royal jerk... which is why I'm okay with what happened tonight. As Clark is struggling on his way up, Oliver is staggering on his way down.

[devilicus rebel]

Im with Santez on that one. Oliver is an ends justify the means type of person and I was glad to see he did what was necessary. I can't believe he brought up Sebastian Kane though, I really thought they were just going to breeze past that moment like nothing happened.

[Theshadow129x]

the thing is that not every hero is out to be a symbol for peace and justice and the american/ moral way like superman. this much showed that to me with oliver tonight. some heroes are there to prevent crime and corruption at any means necessary. thus making them anti-heroes. Oliver isnt going to go around and kill every villain out there, but he also showed me that if the time calls for it he wont hesitate to kill a bad guy for the greater good. There was no stopping Lex. He knew this. Lex is powerful without super powers. no one could stop him. period. Oliver took the law into his own hands to end his life because he knew and knows that so long as Lex is alive the world isnt safe.


We all know Lex isnt gone though. its just the fact that Oliver attempted this that makes it so amazing. makes for a good story arc in the future

[sithius]

EDIT: I have no idea why my post (quoted below) was moved into this thread... I'm guessing a mod quickly skimmed the title and saw Queen.

[tippership commander]

'Lex has separated us, I WILL KILL HIM!'

What happened to the man of steel (admittedly he isn't there yet but he should be close enough by now) not killing, no matter what? In Kingdom Come the Joker batters Lois and Jimmy to death and he doesn't kill him. Yet we have a bit of heartbreak here and he's willing to go and kill Lex? Right. I can just about buy it if Lana was killed (at a massive stretch), because he's still young, but the fact that no one is even dead is just ridiculous. How is this idiot supposed to become Superman in the next few years with an attitude like this? And he dares to condemn Ollie for wanting to kill Lex who murdered (not simply threw heartbreak at him) his parents? What a fool.

The real laugh came when Lana told Clark that he can't kill Lex. The scene was so sickening that I've wiped most of it from my mind, but the gist of the lecture was, 'I am the great Lana Lang, listen to my powerful words. You are Clark Kent, you don't kill people because you are good. We've both had our hearts broken, but because I am more wise than you I am telling you to not kill, instead of you telling me to not kill, or even both of us deciding not to kill a man over what he has done to us!'. What he hell is wrong with that scene? No, what isn't wrong with that scene? I'm so extremely disappointed by all of this.

Thoughts?

er, you didnt have a problem when he nearly killed lionel?

He has to learn to dea lwith his rage.

In that arc, he;s already superman, and isn't THIS age, still learning the values of beign a hero.

It's true, lana reminded him, that fulfills the future-Imra's words

Furthermore, everyone needs a little help at times. he's not superman YET

[Fish1941]

Im with Santez on that one. Oliver is an ends justify the means type of person and I was glad to see he did what was necessary.

Committing murder was necessary? All Oliver did was lower himself to Lex's level. Even Lex has committed similar acts, claiming he was acting on behalf of the good.

Oliver Queen is nothing but a murderer. If he had any respect for himself, he would give up control of Luthor Corps and turn himself in. But he is too damn cowardly to do this. He doesn't even have the guts to tell Clark that he had murdered Lex.

[xrayvision]

I'm convinced the Oliver in this episode was a clone inhabited by Lex's brain, in a way like he cloned himself and transplanted his brain to the clone (Lex Luthor II) in the comics.

[drew24]

Pray and hope that the writers are not targeting to ruin Oliver Queen / Green Arrows character since they can't ruin Lana Langs anymore since she's gone they have nobody to play with.

[KryptonStones]

Clark has issues dealing with rage??? HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE SEEN CLARK KENT ALMOST KILL SOMEONE? This is season freakin' 8, he should be able to handle his rage, he should be able to find another way by now to solve problems. Superman NEVER comes close to killing unless there's absolutely NO OTHER WAY. I knew, somehow, Lana's mere appearance was going to regress this man back 4 seasons. But this time the damage is just...far too great to be ignored.

And as for Oliver Queen.....FLAT-OUT...the guy is not supposed to kill. I no longer see this man as a super hero, or any type of hero for that matter. BATMAN is a perfect antithesis to the Superman character. He's DARK...he believes the ENDS JUSTIFY the MEANS...and yet the man NEVER resorts to murder. No matter how many times he's been screwed up by the Joker, he still hasn't broken his neck yet. And yet Green Arrow is murdering Lex because he's too narrow minded to find another way, because he doesn't have the willpower a superhero is supposed to have? Dude has just painted himself as possibly the most hypocritical superhero (or whatever he is now) of all time. He better not give CK anymore "SPEECHS" of getting off his butt and doing something with his life.

I swear, how did we go from something like Identity to this monstrosity.....this is baffling the heck out of me right now...

[kaam]

2 seasons worth of character development went down the drain!!

KryptonStones, I am agree with your last statement! PS3 seem to forget what they have written about in the previous episodes let alone previous seasons!

[Carolina87]

What the hell is happening to Oliver? It's called the PS3 :rolleyes:

[Spirit Detective]

This episode reminded me of Heroes Volume 3: Villains.

Established characters acting way out of character.

[Dominicus]

I'm convinced the Oliver in this episode was a clone inhabited by Lex's brain, in a way like he cloned himself and transplanted his brain to the clone (Lex Luthor II) in the comics.That has to be the only explaination that would be acceptable. Toyman said "he won" I wonder if there was more to that statement then the obvious. He seemed pretty calm knowing Oliver knew about Lex, as if it was the plan all along. I missed some scenes, so I don't know if that's the case, or not.

[j-kent]

We'll see where he goes...

One thing is that writers of this show do not generally follow comic mores....and have defied the principle that flagship heroes (like Green Arrow) never succumb to murdering. That this is the particular line that splits hero and villain.

But I suppose it makes the entertainment more dramatic, character development more invigorating and not cut-and-dried. Maybe we'll see some redemption for Ollie in the next few episodes...

[MozartRequiem]

Don't know if anyone's mentioned it yet, but Xrayvision has a fascinating idea that it's really Lex inside Ollie right now...basically the whole "They Saved Luthor's Brain" storyline of the comics. I LOVE that theory of Xrayvision's! :)

Secondly, I don't get why anyone would be angry at Ollie for what he did. Lex=a maniac and a dictator who will kill anyone that stands in his way. Think of Hitler and all the other such dictators who have committed genocide, mass killings, blackmail, etc. Usually I agree with the "no killing rule" but two exceptions come to my mind (in the comics at least): The Joker and Lex Luthor. Because they just keep escaping the law and keep killing millions... "BILLIONS" ;), over and over and over again. Without remorse or redemption.

Also, I'm with Oliver on his framing of Toyman too. I mean, Toyman already killed and was going to keep on doing it. If this framing stops him from killing more people and also gets a noble hero off the hook in the process, why is that such a crime? Is it ruthless and illegal and ambiguous and questionable? Yes. But that doesn't mean it's so "evil" or villainous. I see where Oliver's coming from.

[ellives]

(Lets not forget Lex murdered with his parents...)

Oliver is just being human. He wanted his revenge and he got it. I don't think he is wrong nor is he right but i believe that eventually he's going to atone for what he did because as we all know revenge comes at a price.

[amberdawn]

What the hell is happening to Oliver? It's called the PS3 :rolleyes:


Exactly :lol:

[Alania]

What the hell is happening to Oliver? It's called the PS3 :rolleyes:


They turned Lois into just some other girl, the ruined Clark, they ruined Oliver, they made Tess a more likeable person, they turned Chloe into a superfreak and HECK, they even ruined Lana. Who's next?? Shelby??!:rolleyes:

[amberdawn]

Yes, Shelby will turn into Cujo #2 :lol:

[tonnmiister]

I just realised, maybe killing Lex is somewhat justified, but Lex is is NO position to be driving, so Oliver killed the driver to!!! What the hell man! He/She could just be someone trying to provide for their family!

Oliver doesn't deserve to be a hero! He should hang up his bow now, and wait for Clark to berate him (Clark won't turn him in, he's the BDA)

[kaam]

There were so many things wrong with that scene! Looks like a trend in these recent episodes! Chloe going to the dark side, Tess killing a man stronger than her by just 5 or 6 kicks to the stomach! Oliver blowing up a truck with a small monkey toy bomb!!??! I doubt Lex was in there and even if he was he would have an army of people watching that truck.

[tonnmiister]

There were so many things wrong with that scene! Looks like a trend in these recent episodes! Chloe going to the dark side, Tess killing a man stronger than her by just 5 or 6 kicks to the stomach! Oliver blowing up a truck with a small monkey toy bomb!!??! I doubt Lex was in there and even if he was he would have an army of people watching that truck.

im guessing that Tess' kicks were big football punts to the guys head, and no, it shows Lex in the truck before it exploded, but that COULD be Lex watching the explosion from a camera, and the flash is bery bright?................

[17GABRIELA17]

As you mentoned there were probably guards to ...WHICH MEANS OLIVER KILLED MANY PEOPLE... HE'S NO HERO NOW...

[tonnmiister]

he should be sent to Super Max...............................

[Vindellavon]

The kid's lost it. He's becoming Lex, and there's no backing out of this one.

[tonnmiister]

i think he IS lex, lex's clone

[malcrew]

I was thinking the same thing. He needs to talk to Batman!

[Coyote]

That was a very dark action for a supposed hero character, but it does make the character more interesting and unpredictable.

[Barbara]

Both Clark and Oliver are correct.

Choosing to kill someone regardless of motive is a slippery slope to the "Dark Side" to use a Star Wars metaphor. With Clark being the most powerful being on the planet he cannot afford to start down that path.

But Oliver is also right. There are some clear instances where making that choice and stepping over that edge serves the greater good while sacrificing a little piece of the soul of the person who takes that step.

Imagine. You have a time capsule and can be placed alone in a room with Adolf Hitler before he comes to power or has actually committed any evil acts. But you know how history will play out. What choice do you make?

[WalterK]

Oliver is a vigilante. In the real world, we discourage vigilante justice, for good reason. However, in the Smallville universe, Oliver knows that Lex is guilty of horrible crimes, but Lex has the resources to evade the legal system. Oliver concludes, correctly, that the legal system will not provide justice in the case of Lex. This situation, albeit fictional, is one where I do not find vigilante justice morally objectionable. However, it is assumed that Oliver KNOWS Lex is guilty. One purpose of the courts is to make sure that the suspect is really guilty of the charge, and is not being used as a scapegoat.

As far as the proper way of dealing with Lex, Oliver has the choice of trying to put Lex in a private prison, or killing him. Since capturing Lex alive is presumbably very difficult, he decides that killing Lex is the best answer. Oliver is using a utilitarian standard, where you look at the net good obtained.

Clark does not use a utilitarian standard. He does not believe that committing one questionably moral act is alleviated by the suffering which might be prevented. Clark is an idealist, and believes that there is always another way. Clark is wrong that there is always another way, and in fact Lex has caused a lot of suffering because he was not killed earlier.

[Clois4eva89]

I disagree with you Walter what Oliver did was completely against anything that is fair and right. Does Lex deserve to die yes absolutely,but thats not anyone's call to make. I'm not a fan of Superman because he saves people,wears blue tights and a red cape. Or has super powers it's mainly because of his morals above all else. He believes in not taking a human life reguardless of the reason. He saves not only the innocent but his own enemies if they are in danger. By letting them die or killing them because you believe you'll be keeping millions more safe. It just puts you in the same boat as they are,it's like what the Joker tried to pull off in the Dark Knight. To see how many upstanding people he could turn over and become evil,that anyone can become a killer if the right button is pushed.

[superjude]

I seriously think that he has somehow or someway been infected with Bizarro DNA. I mean, did anyone else see his evil look at the end, and I could have sworn I saw his eyes turn black- Of course, that could have just been me being angry at the turn of things in the episode. Where was he at the end when he was looking at that ring? I don't remember a fireplace like that in his place but in the Talon apartment.

[dcmarriott]

I don't mind them exploring Oliver's dark side, but I'm having some trouble with the motivation for Oliver's sudden murderous urges. What exactly did Lex do to him that makes Oliver want to kill him? Lex didn't kill Oliver's parents, Lionel did. Is Oliver after Lex because of the Level 33.1/Project Ares stuff? If so, shouldn't he be equally upset with the person who has taken advantage of all that unethical research by stealing the Prometheus suit prototype? Why would Oliver suddenly feel that he needs to kill Lex?

Furthermore, if he feels that he's justified in killing people for their crimes, how is he any better than the Toyman, or any other villain who acts out of a hunger for vengence? Aren't superheroes supposed to have a code of honor?

[Kevin24]

I don't mind them exploring Oliver's dark side, but I'm having some trouble with the motivation for Oliver's sudden murderous urges. What exactly did Lex do to him that makes Oliver want to kill him? Lex didn't kill Oliver's parents, Lionel did. Is Oliver after Lex because of the Level 33.1/Project Ares stuff? If so, shouldn't he be equally upset with the person who has taken advantage of all that unethical research by stealing the Prometheus suit prototype? Why would Oliver suddenly feel that he needs to kill Lex?

Furthermore, if he feels that he's justified in killing people for their crimes, how is he any better than the Toyman, or any other villain who acts out of a hunger for vengence? Aren't superheroes supposed to have a code of honor?

Lex is a very bad man that has done many many bad things.....I think that is motivation enough.

So are people mad that he killed Lex for the greater good? or that they "ruined" this comic book character?

[devilneedsaride]

It's character assassination. That's why they're doing it.

Earlier on Oliver was like the role model Superhero, giving Clark preachy lectures about getting out of the farmhouse, etc. Since Clark is taking his own freaking sweet time about getting off his butt, they had to make the GA less awesome by comparison so he doesn't show up the future man of steel on his own show. If I had to wager I'd say that's what this is all about.

[unfocused]

It's not character assassination, it's called character development. This isn't going to be the endgame for Oliver. He isn't going to be the hero that kills for vengeance forever. His character is going through changes and will develop into a better hero.

It's a darker story, and darker stories need to be told. If a character never goes through dark times, it may never develop. But trust me, when this show ends, Oliver will have learned valuable lessons.

[Hopefulsuicide]

It does seem that they are trying to undo some of the damage they did in season 6 with Oliver, and avoiding what some people feared would happen in season 8.

Everyone was worried that Oliver would be taking the hero spotlight away from Clark. So far that has very much not been the case. Oliver has been portrayed as hot headed, a drunk, a womanizer, a killer etc. So we all see very clearly that Clark is the 'best' hero on the show (or at least that's what they are trying to do).

[zanaamen]

It's not character assassination, it's called character development. This isn't going to be the endgame for Oliver. He isn't going to be the hero that kills for vengeance forever. His character is going through changes and will develop into a better hero.

It's a darker story, and darker stories need to be told. If a character never goes through dark times, it may never develop. But trust me, when this show ends, Oliver will have learned valuable lessons.


I completely agree with your comment.

[dcmarriott]

Lex is a very bad man that has done many many bad things.....I think that is motivation enough.

So are people mad that he killed Lex for the greater good? or that they "ruined" this comic book character?

If they want to change the comic book character, that's fine. But good writing demands that characters act out of consistent motivation, and I can't see how Green Arrow went from being the guy who organized others to sabotage Lex's factories to this lone assassin, intent on murdering Lex.

Also, I'm troubled by the morality of what happened. Why does Green Arrow get to decide who lives and who dies, even if it's for "the greater good"? Didn't Lex start Level 33.1 for "the greater good", i.e. to lock up "dangerous" meteor freaks? Didn't he start Project Ares for "the greater good", i.e. to protect humanity from the alien threat? Why is Lex "a very bad man" when he does very bad things for the greater good, but Green Arrow is a hero when he commits murder for the greater good?

[Hopefulsuicide]

This is precisely why i have trouble seeing Lex as a villain at all... he's only as much of a villain as HG or Nathan are in Heroes, and it's all grey over there :lol:

[unfocused]

It does seem that they are trying to undo some of the damage they did in season 6 with Oliver, and avoiding what some people feared would happen in season 8.

Everyone was worried that Oliver would be taking the hero spotlight away from Clark. So far that has very much not been the case. Oliver has been portrayed as hot headed, a drunk, a womanizer, a killer etc. So we all see very clearly that Clark is the 'best' hero on the show (or at least that's what they are trying to do).

Good point. But that would be character assassination. I think I'm going to stick with my theory that the story for Oliver was made to put some darkness into the show. Most people don't want to see Superman become dark (I would, for only a short time though), so they won't be going that route, especially this season where Clark is written as the bright spot and is fighting for justice (basically becoming Superman in all his glory).


If they want to change the comic book character, that's fine. But good writing demands that characters act out of consistent motivation, and I can't see how Green Arrow went from being the guy who organized others to sabotage Lex's factories to this lone assassin, intent on murdering Lex.

Also, I'm troubled by the morality of what happened. Why does Green Arrow get to decide who lives and who dies, even if it's for "the greater good"? Didn't Lex start Level 33.1 for "the greater good", i.e. to lock up "dangerous" meteor freaks? Didn't he start Project Ares for "the greater good", i.e. to protect humanity from the alien threat? Why is Lex "a very bad man" when he does very bad things for the greater good, but Green Arrow is a hero when he commits murder for the greater good?

This is the dilemma that Oliver is going through this season. He hasn't been shown to be the hero the whole time. Chloe's fight with him proves to us that he is going through a dark, questionable time in his life. His whole story arc is about this, he quits the JLA and heroism altogether, he hates Clark for keeping the secret of his parents murder from him, he hates Lex for being his fathers son, etc. The GA hasn't been written as the hero this whole season. And he wasn't a hero when he killed Lex. I agree with you there.

[skugers]

If they want to change the comic book character, that's fine. But good writing demands that characters act out of consistent motivation, and I can't see how Green Arrow went from being the guy who organized others to sabotage Lex's factories to this lone assassin, intent on murdering Lex.

Also, I'm troubled by the morality of what happened. Why does Green Arrow get to decide who lives and who dies, even if it's for "the greater good"? Didn't Lex start Level 33.1 for "the greater good", i.e. to lock up "dangerous" meteor freaks? Didn't he start Project Ares for "the greater good", i.e. to protect humanity from the alien threat? Why is Lex "a very bad man" when he does very bad things for the greater good, but Green Arrow is a hero when he commits murder for the greater good?
ITA

[SupermanRox]

I don't mind them exploring Oliver's dark side, but I'm having some trouble with the motivation for Oliver's sudden murderous urges. What exactly did Lex do to him that makes Oliver want to kill him? Lex didn't kill Oliver's parents, Lionel did. Is Oliver after Lex because of the Level 33.1/Project Ares stuff? If so, shouldn't he be equally upset with the person who has taken advantage of all that unethical research by stealing the Prometheus suit prototype? Why would Oliver suddenly feel that he needs to kill Lex?

Furthermore, if he feels that he's justified in killing people for their crimes, how is he any better than the Toyman, or any other villain who acts out of a hunger for vengence? Aren't superheroes supposed to have a code of honor?


I agree

[Sunny8]

The same thing that happened to Clark--they are trying to ruin his character and his status as as hero. SV has no respect for hero's and super hero's if Clark is anything to go by. He is no longer unique or special since they gave Lana some of his super hero powers.

Look what they did to Clark. He is the one left behind in SV by Lana instead of the other way around like it is supposed to be (brought to his knees by Lana like Chloe said she would do). While Lana is out in the world doing what he should be doing he is in the barn pining for her until Lois returns. Then he is the one that will look like a smuck when he turns to Lois so soon after having this fling with Super!Lana. He is the one that looks like he no longer has any moral code (willing to kill Lex because Lex supposedly ruined their relationship. Though it was Lana that stole Lex's only means of staying alive and got kryptonite infested because of her stupidity and lust for power), and can't make proper decisions without help (Lana stopping him from killing Lex).

I guess the next character up for ruin is Lois and they probably will make her super powered so they can ruin her even further too.

[tj_powers]

The same thing that happened to Clark--they are trying to ruin his character and his status as as hero. SV has no respect for hero's and super hero's if Clark is anything to go by. He is no longer unique or special since they gave Lana some of his super hero powers.

Look what they did to Clark. He is the one left behind in SV by Lana instead of the other way around like it is supposed to be (brought to his knees by Lana like Chloe said she would do). While Lana is out in the world doing what he should be doing he is in the barn pining for her until Lois returns. Then he is the one that will look like a smuck when he turns to Lois so soon after having this fling with Super!Lana. He is the one that looks like he no longer has any moral code (willing to kill Lex because Lex supposedly ruined their relationship. Though it was Lana that stole Lex's only means of staying alive and got kryptonite infested because of her stupidity and lust for power), and can't make proper decisions without help (Lana stopping him from killing Lex).

I guess the next character up for ruin is Lois and they probably will make her super powered so they can ruin her even further too.

That's a little harsh saying that they are ruining the Superheroes. This show is about how it started and they are still showing how human they are. Oliver is still human and is still fighting for the good side but he has a deep dark past with his parents being killed and he having to fend for himself on an island for a long time. As far as Clark, his character grew alot in the 8 seasons and still has yet to finish growing. Lois in this show is only being used half the season to keep them form making everything happen all at once to keep the show going and for us to keep guessing. Season 9 is coming where there will be alot more changes coming.

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That's a little harsh saying that they are ruining the Superheroes. This show is about how it started and they are still showing how human they are. Oliver is still human and is still fighting for the good side but he has a deep dark past with his parents being killed and he having to fend for himself on an island for a long time. As far as Clark, his character grew alot in the 8 seasons and still has yet to finish growing. Lois in this show is only being used half the season to keep them form making everything happen all at once to keep the show going and for us to keep guessing. Season 9 is coming where there will be alot more changes coming.
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