They Cheapened Clois!!!

[supes0]

and im not saying he won't be with lois...just saying it will be dumb as hell if they get together over the next 8 episode after everthing the clana relationship has endured over the past 8 years

I agree. It is dumb. But make no mistake, that is where we are headed. It's going to be done in an utterly illogical way. Clark is going to have some kind of epiphany which makes no sense, and all of a sudden will realize Lois is his soulmate.

And I wouldn't put it past them to cure Lana offscreenville so Clark doesn't look bad for abandoning her. A throwaway conversation with Chloe about how they both moved on would be all it takes. Again, stupid, but I wouldn't put it past the writers.

Because like or not, Clark ending up with Lois is a critical part of the mythos and Corporate branding (money, the bottom line).

[devotedtoclois]

I wanna see clois on Smallville...I hate what they did with the whole Clana Drama and that they made Lana seem so innocent for all her actions...but I still wanna see Clois on the show....

[Timester]

Exactly DC comics has come out on the record to say Lois Lane is the second most important character after Clark/Superman. She was there from the very first issue. Other than Superman, no other character was there from the start.

Her romantic relationship with Clark is the cornerstone of the Superman mythos (DC themselves say this). She had her own title Superman's Girlfriend: Lois Lane which went on for years.

She is now married to him, and DC just last month reiterated the commitment to the marriage. AlMiles said in the very beginning, they are not allowed to change that Clark ends up with Lois.

After the last 3 episodes, I wish they were allowed to change it. But they aren't.

Instead the writers are going to wave their hands and have Clark fall for Lois no matter how unrealistic it looks on screen.

I'll say more. They are the couple that started it all. All superhero comics and relationships came from Action Comics #1.

[Drasix]

yeah it does keep the show fresh but saying that clark and lois will be together before the season is up after nearly 8 seasons of non-stop lana lusting would be unrealistic to say the least

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I agree. It is dumb. But make no mistake, that is where we are headed. It's going to be done in an utterly illogical way. Clark is going to have some kind of epiphany which makes no sense, and all of a sudden will realize Lois is his soulmate.

And I wouldn't put it past them to cure Lana offscreenville so Clark doesn't look bad for abandoning her. A throwaway conversation with Chloe about how they both moved on would be all it takes. Again, stupid, but I wouldn't put it past the writers.

Because like or not, Clark ending up with Lois is a critical part of the mythos and Corporate branding (money, the bottom line).
If thats the way they're headed they should have kicked lana lang off in season in season 4 ..not over halfway through 7.Bottom line is that its not gonna be believable that he would want to be with lois over lana

[supes0]

I'll say more. They are the couple that started it all. All superhero comics and relationships came from Action Comics #1.

Yep. They are the first Superhero couple. And Clark's relationship with Lois is one of the most important things of the mythos, if not the. His powers evolve, his supporting cast changes, but Lois is the constant.

DC says it all the time.

From the infinite crisis:

http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/9747/ic6ot7.jpg

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If thats the way they're headed they should have kicked lana lang off in season in season 4 ..not over halfway through 7.Bottom line is that its not gonna be believable that he would want to be with lois over lana

Nobody is arguing this. It is not going to be believable. But that doesn't change that Clark ends up with Lois, no matter how contrived.

[thehenry89]

the simple fact of the matter is that theyve spent nearly 8 years developing the clana relationship for each other and saying that he will be with lois in possible before the season ends is pretty rediculous

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in smallville it definately isnt a major detail..not yet anyway

you said they didn't have to follow every single minor detail from the comics, not SV. I'm willing to conceed that everything and I mean everything has taken a backseat to clana on SV, but no so in other superman media.

[Drasix]

yeah your probably right but they should have developed the clois relationship a long time ago if they wanted it to believable.This may be the last season and 8 episodes isnt nearly enough to start a long lasting romance

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you said they didn't have to follow every single minor detail from the comics, not SV. I'm willing to conceed that everything and I mean everything has taken a backseat to clana on SV, but no so in other superman media.
yeah it has taken a back seat thats why it will clois starting up will not ever be believable .Clana has pretty much ruined any chance for clois

[myankskent]

you said they didn't have to follow every single minor detail from the comics, not SV. I'm willing to conceed that everything and I mean everything has taken a backseat to clana on SV, but no so in other superman media.

And that's why I just can't understand these writers. It appears to me that TPTB are going to make Clana out to be the Clois of Smallville until the very end when they lightswitch everything away. Whoever approved this execution should never be allowed to pick up a comic book again.

[Kal26]

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k318/04nbod/1296_4_031.jpg
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we are surprised by this turn of events?

Notice the actual title of the book. At this time, in the silver age of comics, Lana was obsessed first with Superboy, then with Superman, but his love interest was almost always Lois. As was mentioned before, Lana had a crush on the man of steel. She would constantly try to come between he and Lois, but it ended with Clark, and Lois getting married. I'm not sure what was going on in this book, but it's no longer part of current canon. Current canon was what was in question. In current canon, he only cared for her as a sister. That's been stated in comics time and time again. Lana was the one chasing Clark, and Clark could have cared less about a romantic relationship with her.

[Drasix]

And that's why I just can't understand these writers. It appears to me that TPTB are going to make Clana out to be the Clois of Smallville until the very end when they lightswitch everything away. Whoever approved this execution should never be allowed to pick up a comic book again.i agree Clana is the Clois of smallville

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Notice the actual title of the book. At this time, in the silver age of comics, Lana was obsessed first with Superboy, then with Superman, but his love interest was almost always Lois. As was mentioned before, Lana had a crush on the man of steel. She would constantly try to come between he and Lois, but it ended with Clark, and Lois getting married. I'm not sure what was going on in this book, but it's no longer part of current canon. Current canon was what was in question. In current canon, he only cared for her as a sister. That's been stated in comics time and time again. Lana was the one chasing Clark, and Clark could have cared less about a romantic relationship with her.
again this is the comics...smallville story is WAY different in terms of clark and lana

[wafflles87]

Undoubtedly, the whole thing would've been MUCH easier had this... thing called Clana ended in a normal way.

However, PS3 brought us 10 brillaint episodes so far, and I have faith in them that they will bring more.

The last two weren't entirely their fault. Keep in mind KK said in interviews she had a lot of say on her character arc in these episodes. She wanted her character to be the hero for once instead of always being in Clark's shadow as the girl who swoons over him.
I bet that when the "Dear John" DVD idea came up last season, they had no intention of having this turnaround and making it be forced.
Oh well, not that I blame KK... who wouldn't want their character to have a grand exit, but it could've been done without crapping on... hmm.... all the other characters, except maybe Tess.

[Drasix]

Undoubtedly, the whole thing would've been MUCH easier had this... thing called Clana ended in a normal way.

However, PS3 brought us 10 brillaint episodes so far, and I have faith in them that they will bring more.

The last two weren't entirely their fault. Keep in mind KK said in interviews she had a lot of say on her character arc in these episodes. She wanted her character to be the hero for once instead of always being in Clark's shadow as the girl who swoons over him.
I bet that when the "Dear John" DVD idea came up last season, they had no intention of having this turnaround and making it be forced.
Oh well, not that I blame KK... who wouldn't want their character to have a grand exit, but it could've been done without crapping on... hmm.... all the other characters, except maybe Tess.
kk has said shes up for coming back sometime if they have plans for her

[davidbrenton]

Or, they may have made it stronger with Clark eventually choosing Lois over the love of his life.

[bigblueplanet]

i agree Clana is the Clois of smallville




I disagree. Clois is not angst-filled, unhealthy relationship.
Clark and Lana make each other miserables and this is not Clana in the comics I'm talking about but the SV canon.
Clois is everything Clana is not in my eyes. YMMV

[Kal26]

again this is the comics...smallville story is WAY different in terms of clark and lana

Right. I was responding to a post some time ago that stated that Clark's relationship with Lana in current comics was more than platonic, which is not the case. I was simply pointing out that Smallville is probably the only incarnation that has ever taken it to this level. Most incarnations he either loves her as a sister, or she is the one obsessed with him. I realize that Smallville is different than the comics, in fact that's the point I was trying to make.

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I disagree. Clois is not angst-filled, unhealthy relationship.
Clark and Lana make each other miserables and this is not Clana in the comics I'm talking about but the SV canon.
Clois is everything Clana is not in my eyes. YMMV

Totally agree!

[RingzTerritory]

You guys would be amazed at how easy it is for someone to see how selfish and disgusting one person they thought they loved is when they're around someone selfless and beautiful inside and out after having their heart broken. =)
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Just keep in mind people this is SMALLVILLE, this isn't some giant big screen Superman remake, this lana lang, chloe whatever will NEVER be remebered or thought of as Clark Kents wife/girlfriend, Lois lane will be the only one people think of that way, I use to like lana but I can't remember an earlier season of the show where I didn't wonder where a Lois was, I kept waiting for a Lois, now we have a great one and she'll be the only one for Clark. :) teenage heartbreak isn't real love, it's just a long crappy relationship that clark will let go of. :)

[Drasix]

I disagree. Clois is not angst-filled, unhealthy relationship.
Clark and Lana make each other miserables and this is not Clana in the comics I'm talking about but the SV canon.
Clois is everything Clana is not in my eyes. YMMV
i meant that in the comics is always clois but in sv its always been clana..i was in no way comparing the relationships

[cheers]

All I have to do to keep sane is remember two things:

-The boy loved Lana, the man will love Lois.

-They had to regress Clark back from the strides he made earlier this season to make it believable he would take Lana back. At some level, even TPTB knew that the mature Clark we were beginning to see didn't belong with Lana Lang.

Now Clark can grow into the man capable of the deep and mature love he will eventually find with Lois. And however far they take Clois in Smallvile, in the next 8 or 30 (if there is a season 9) episodes we will get to see at least part of that journey, all the while enjoying the wonderful dynamic that this Clark and this Lois have onscreen--whether working together, bantering, hiding behind the walls they've built around their hearts, or moving towards their ultimate destiny.

[Khan-El]

cogito17,
that is brilliant. lets see if the writers can figure that out now.

[Dyanara]

I must say that not even in the 90s tv show was the relationship between Lois and Clark as angsty and like a soap opera and filled with plotholes as Lana and Clark on Smallville. For the love of backstreet Lana has chosen Lex over Clark and preferres Bizarro over Clark; she went psycho and tried to kill Lex, she was a witch for a time, then decided to she wanted to be WonderWoman in the last 3 episodes. Worst thing Lois ever did was nearly marry Lex and lose her memory a couple of times.

[pizzahead2490]

i still want clois

[x THE CHEETAH x]

Just keep in mind people this is SMALLVILLE, this isn't some giant big screen Superman remake, this lana lang, chloe whatever will NEVER be remebered or thought of as Clark Kents wife/girlfriend, Lois lane will be the only one people think of that way, I use to like lana but I can't remember an earlier season of the show where I didn't wonder where a Lois was, I kept waiting for a Lois, now we have a great one and she'll be the only one for Clark. :) teenage heartbreak isn't real love, it's just a long crappy relationship that clark will let go of. :)


Those are some very good points... you really brought attention to what really matters... and you're right, we do have a great Lois played by Erica.

Take care...

[MrZeppo]

I have faith in Clois because of Erica's interviews. She seems real giddy about the Lois and Clark arc and I'm sure she'll play it wondefully. I find her to be very enchanting, especially with the character's irreverence, it's charming. I expect ED knows to have Lois not rush into anything with Clark. It'll be nice to see Clark in a relationship that isn't surrounded with so much pain and melodrama. I find Clark and Lois' interactions whimsical and much more relaxed.

I actually think the best way to handle this is have Lois and Clark hang out. Whether it be at the DP or on the job or on the farm, whatever. But seriously these two need interaction.

I want to see Lois basically holding back and not being, "OMG Clark, I want your babies!". After "Bride" I want her to be cautious with her feelings because I think that would be normal.

What would be really good is for Clark to actually acknowledge his relationship with Lana as being over forever. Like maybe saying it or admitting it to someone. Whenever Lana was around he had blinders on and made bad choices, possibley because the writers can't figure out any other way to make Lana look good besides making Clark look bad or weak, I really blame Lana's overall arc on poor writing.

I'm pretty confident with her gone he'll be that super awesome Clark we had pre-Bride.

[Vergon6]

I have faith in Clois because of Erica's interviews. She seems real giddy about the Lois and Clark arc and I'm sure she'll play it wondefully. I find her to be very enchanting, especially with the character's irreverence, it's charming. I expect ED knows to have Lois not rush into anything with Clark. It'll be nice to see Clark in a relationship that isn't surrounded with so much pain and melodrama. I find Clark and Lois' interactions whimsical and much more relaxed.

I actually think the best way to handle this is have Lois and Clark hang out. Whether it be at the DP or on the job or on the farm, whatever. But seriously these two need interaction.

I want to see Lois basically holding back and not being, "OMG Clark, I want your babies!". After "Bride" I want her to be cautious with her feelings because I think that would be normal.

What would be really good is for Clark to actually acknowledge his relationship with Lana as being over forever. Like maybe saying it or admitting it to someone. Whenever Lana was around he had blinders on and made bad choices, possibley because the writers can't figure out any other way to make Lana look good besides making Clark look bad or weak, I really blame Lana's overall arc on poor writing.

I'm pretty confident with her gone he'll be that super awesome Clark we had pre-Bride.
That would be nice to see. Plus, it wouldn't be like Clark is 'hitting on her', if he just looking longingly in her direction.

[SpeedDemon77]

I haven't shipped Clois except for the Supes movies with Chris Reeve and Lois & Clark with Cain and Hatcher. SV's Clois is all but washed up. It's been proven for 8 seasons. That's why they didn't even need a Lois until season 4 and as much as I like Erica and think she's a sweet person, they don't really need one now. SV's Lois can never be anything but Clark's rebound because he can't be with the one he really wanted.

[InAFlash]

I must say that not even in the 90s tv show was the relationship between Lois and Clark as angsty and like a soap opera and filled with plotholes as Lana and Clark on Smallville. For the love of backstreet Lana has chosen Lex over Clark and preferres Bizarro over Clark; she went psycho and tried to kill Lex, she was a witch for a time, then decided to she wanted to be WonderWoman in the last 3 episodes. Worst thing Lois ever did was nearly marry Lex and lose her memory a couple of times.

You're correct, but how long did that show last for? 4 seasons. Whereas Smallville is now in it's 8th season. Yes the Clana relationship was often dysfunctional and filled with angst, but does anyone really believe that the writers needed 8 seasons to show us that Clark and Lana are not meant for each other. I don't think so. They gave us Clana and all their problems for 8 seasons because that's what sells. As I stated in another thread soap operas are the most popular genre of television drama in the world today. Like it or not the soap opera appeal of Smallville is IMO one of the main reasons the show lasted this long.

Some have stated that you think Clark and Lois are so much better for each other than Clark and Lana were. They're so relaxed together and their relationship is not filled with all that angst. That may be true but I can almost guarantee that if we see Lois and Clark together in the "perfect relationship" it will be the end of this show. However, if this show continues or is spun off as a Metropolis based show and the writers decide to focus on Clois as much as they focused on Clana, we are sure to see a great deal of difficulties in making their relationship work. IMO that would be the only way to make the show work unless they have an exciting new villain for Clark to fight each week, and as we experienced with the FOW episodes in the early seasons that can get old really fast.

[Dominicus]

You're correct, but how long did that show last for? 4 seasons. There was supposed to be a saeson 5, the ratings were still good, yet new direction of ABC decided to cancel, which why LnC ended with such an odd episode, because it was supposed to continue, the season 5 that was suppose air including more kryptonian story-lines. Shame they didn't give it the okay for another season which stunned all those involved. But then you also have Teri Hatcher who at the time had been doing movies, so it's all TV politics. Not on how well the show was doing based on romantic themes. It all depends on how the the story is told, to keep it refreshed with challenges, like the x-files for example.

They don't have to base everything on the relationship, more interesting villians and peronal struggles, even with Clois. That's why I think the bold Clana move will pay off in the end, because it makes for an interestig challenge, most will want to see how this plays out. And to those no longer obligated by contract might be compelled to refresh because how their character is portrayed. KK, MR and TM to specific. To shed a better premise for their character.

[DontCha]

I want clois still

but Play Station 3(bootleg version) better do a damn good job of making it clear as day that Lois Lane is by far the most important woman in his life and that she is no stinking second choice.

[Saturn Girl]

It's bad taste but the issue is simply this:

Lana Lang = Superboy's girlfriend

Lois Lane = Superman's woman

The problem is that the show elevated Sueperboy's love for Lana to adult levels; complete with multiple consummations of their relationship. It's hard to see any way Clark could possibly love Lois anymore than he loved Lana.

But the writers' focus is restricted to Smallville. I really believe that any thought to Clark's adult relationship with Lois falls outside of their concern. That, nut they'll leave to the producers of "Metropolis" to crack.

[Wicked Lois]

Thats true

[zanaamen]

It's bad taste but the issue is simply this:

Lana Lang = Superboy's girlfriend

Lois Lane = Superman's woman


.

Is that for ever or eternal, I mean is Lois immortal!!

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The problem is that the show elevated Sueperboy's love for Lana to adult levels;
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and the great problem is comics all about the adventure between Lois and Clark
and SV is all about Lana and Clark, the choice is yours

[Estro-gen X]

i wouldnt say that being with Lois Lane is a "critical component" of the mythos

the covers for geoff johns' Secret origin set a good framework for the myth

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k318/04nbod/origin_CVRs-1.jpg
In the beginning Smallville only promised the first of that set of images. Clark Kent as a boy with his family and friends. It would build on the superboy comics of the 60s and 70's. It was unlikely we would see him go to the future with the legion in this time but we could see them coming back in time. We got this (finally). Now we are moving on to the Daily Planet part and that wasn't in the original brief for the show. Smallville has also explored Kryptonian history and his parents through Kara.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k318/04nbod/n28776.jpg

Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow is so far the best exploration of the myth. We see the death of Lana Lang and krypto. We see him abandon the Clark Kent and Superman identity and what happens with Lois. We see the final defeat of Brainiac and Lex Luthor. Plus we get the final tribute to Supergirl who died that year as the legion of super-heroes bring her from the future and take their leave never to see Superman again. (I guarantee that will make you cry. Go read it) It touches and provides a conclusion to every aspect of the superman myth.

[wafflles87]

When I first saw Requiem, I was as pissed off as most of you are. I was cursing in such a way I would've made Lois Lane blush and cover up her ears.

But now, I've had time to think, I've had time to read what others thought, I went and researched into Superman history, and I'm not worried.

It still is very possible to make Clois the epic love story it's supposed to be.

The main issue (spelling?) most of y'all seem to have is the fact that since Clana ended tragically and not on a mutual agreement, Clois will come off as the second choice. I used to think that too. I bet some of you read posts of mine where I was saying just that, both before and after the episode.

But that was just me venting. Think about it... things like this happen all the time. People being broken up by outside events, such as one of the moving away, or even tragic ones, such as death. And yet, after the heartbreak, people manage to move on. They find someone else to spend their life with, and are very happy.

Heck, this happened to our own Clark Kent in the comicbooks. After Lana, and before Lois, Clark was with a girl called Lori Lemaris. They were in love, and Clark even asked her to mary him. However, she was special. She was a mermaid, and this fact prevented them from being together, and so their relationship ended tragically with them being separated by fate. But, Clark moved on. He met Lois Lane, and once again fell in love, and we all know how that story ended. Does that make Lois second choice in the comics too? Cause I know some comic fans who would rip anyone who even thinks that in half.

In the comics, after they have fallen in love Clark Kent has proven to Lois Lane time and time and time again that his love for her is incomparable to his love for Lori, just as our own Clark Kent in Smallville will proove to Lois that he loves her a whole lot more than he did Lana.

When Clark and Lori broke up, they were still in love. However, Clark chose to move on from that. When Clark and Lana ended things in Requiem, they were still in love, however, Clark will choose to move on. BUT... when Lois Lane dies of old age, Clark Kent will keep his love for her in his heart for centuries to come, because from that love he can not move on. He knows he won't ever find someone he will love as much as Lois, so he doesn't try.

So, to answer this thread... no, they did not cheapen Clois. They threw some roadblocks in it's path, but that's it.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Since S1 I've always known that Clana was a temporary relationship. The reality is that Clark has loved others and has been interested in others during this series.

Lana especially has not only loved others but has been intimate with them as well. I think Clark and Lana may have spent a season together if you add up all the episodes they were actually a couple.

This is not anything near a major relationship.

If anything the Kents were the only relationship, romantically speaking, that you could call a solid, strong, long lasting committment on this show.

With that said, nothing has been cheapened for Clois. Lois Lane and Clark Kent are soul mates, and Lois is the relationship in Superman/Clark Kent's life that will parallel the relationship of his parent's. Basically, Clark will know what real love is, and that is why after he commits to Lois Lane, there is no other woman who can compare.

Lois Lane is not second choice, she's not sloppy seconds, she's not the 'transitional' girl, she is the one woman who Superman commits to and loves until his dying day.

I don't care what happened during this arc, because as I've said before the writing for it was horrendous and didn't make sense in terms of tying it into the rest of the episodes this season. I'm looking forward to finally getting back to seeing Clark Kent's character back on track and seeing the development of the most important relationship of his life, the one with Lois Lane.

[InAFlash]

There was supposed to be a saeson 5, the ratings were still good, yet new direction of ABC decided to cancel, which why LnC ended with such an odd episode, because it was supposed to continue, the season 5 that was suppose air including more kryptonian story-lines. Shame they didn't give it the okay for another season which stunned all those involved. But then you also have Teri Hatcher who at the time had been doing movies, so it's all TV politics. Not on how well the show was doing based on romantic themes. It all depends on how the the story is told, to keep it refreshed with challenges, like the x-files for example.

They don't have to base everything on the relationship, more interesting villians and peronal struggles, even with Clois. That's why I think the bold Clana move will pay off in the end, because it makes for an interestig challenge, most will want to see how this plays out. And to those no longer obligated by contract might be compelled to refresh because how their character is portrayed. KK, MR and TM to specific. To shed a better premise for their character.

I remember hearing that Lois & Clark were planning season's 5 and 6. In fact I think the basic story was in place. It is too bad they did'nt continue. I enjoyed that show almost as much as I enjoy Smallville, and for different reasons.

You are absolutely right when you say that the writers don't have to base everything on the Clois relationship. There are many ways for them to keep the story fresh and interesting. In fact I like your X-Files comparison. However, considering what these writers have given us for 7+ seasons should we expect anything different from them. I did'nt say I always liked the soap opera aspect of the show just that I believe that's what TPTB have chosen to try and keep their show on the air.

As for me I enjoyed Smallville for 7+ years and I was satisfied with the way they ended Clana. But I can't invest anymore time watching this show. I don't want to watch a soap opera anymore. If they can handle Clois differently than they handled Clana and as you say come up with some interesting new characters to keep it fresh then maybe I'll continue to watch.

[MrZeppo]

While I'm not a shipper I've been finding that I'm not opposed to Clois. Obviously because it's canon. But also because I find Tom and Erica's chemistry and interaction on screen to be quite charming and I have faith in both actors. I found the subtle nuances of of their interaction endearing, especially this season.

Part of me sees why most Clois shippers are outraged. Because "Requiem" makes Lois look like the rebound or second choice. Me personally I want to wait until I see what happens in "Infamous" before I freak out or anything. Yeah after "Requiem" it is hard to image how they can play Clois off, but who knows, they may have a really great way of pulling it off. Who knows they could play it off like Clark realizing in the month since "Requiem" that Lana was never "the one" and he just gets over her quickly. He finally got closure and was able to move on.

With Clark and Lana, they had the drama and the tragedy and the pain. But I look at Clark and Lois' relationship very differently. Because their interaction is almost playful and friendly. There isn't the drama and pain that Clark had with Lana. I would never a painful relationship onto anyone. I want a good and happy relationship for Clark and Lois. I want them to have a healthy relationship where they accepts each other while still being individuals. I want them to bring the best out of each other.

But here is the other thing. That can't make things easy for Clois. They can't just have the two of them admit how they feel and get them together. Where is the fun with that? Because then the show would be boring and their storyline would be too easy.

I believe they are really setting up the romantic arc for Lois and Clark. They can't have Lois hook up with Lex or trying to find out what Clark's secret it because they are approaching her from a different direction than they did with Lana. Everything they did wrong with Lana, that made her unlikable by so many fans, they aren't doing with Lois.

One of the ways to keep them apart is Clark's history with Lana, but also to show the difficultly for the two of them to get on the same page and admit how they feel about each other. I think that's why the writers play their relationship off more subtley, things like longing looks or tender moments rather than having them shove melodrama in our faces. Because they shouldn't be portrayed like some teeny bopper drama, but like a real relationship.

I hope "Infamous" takes place a month after "Requiem" and we see that Clark has been given time to moving on, hopefully he's looked at the events of "Requiem" and "Power" and come to terms with them. I think without Lana around Clark can truthfully look at his relationship with her without blinders. I also hope Lois is shown approaching Clark and her feelings cautiously. She showed a lot of honor and class by stepping out of the way when Lana came back. But I don't want her rushing to Clark now that Lana is gone. I want them to continue their dance of cautiously coming together. The anticipation makes their relationship more enjoyable.

Just my hopes.

[Timester]

You're correct, but how long did that show last for? 4 seasons.

The show lasted on ABC for 4 seasons until ABC decided to kill it. We are talking about a show that had 22 million viewers.

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In the beginning Smallville only promised the first of that set of images. Clark Kent as a boy with his family and friends. It would build on the superboy comics of the 60s and 70's. It was unlikely we would see him go to the future with the legion in this time but we could see them coming back in time. We got this (finally). Now we are moving on to the Daily Planet part and that wasn't in the original brief for the show. Smallville has also explored Kryptonian history and his parents through Kara.

Actually, we do might see Superboy in the future, because we know since the last LO3W issue that Clark never was Superboy in the Smallville, only a suburban legend called "The Super-Boy".

[Alania]

. Everything they did wrong with Lana, that made her unlikable by so many fans, they aren't doing with Lois.

I hope "Infamous" takes place a month after "Requiem" and we see that Clark has been given time to moving on, hopefully he's looked at the events of "Requiem" and "Power" and come to terms with them. I think without Lana around Clark can truthfully look at his relationship with her without blinders. I also hope Lois is shown approaching Clark and her feelings cautiously. She showed a lot of honor and class by stepping out of the way when Lana came back. But I don't want her rushing to Clark now that Lana is gone. I want them to continue their dance of cautiously coming together. The anticipation makes their relationship more enjoyable.

Just my hopes.

The bold part, never heard biggest truth before, Jai! Their dance, the chase, can't wait to see that! They will strech those two till the end of the season, no doubt, but it's all gonna start now; Bride was just a tidbit of Lois and Clark's love! I don't care whether Clark was left on his knees pining for, for the 100th time, meteor rock girl; he will move on now, it is passed time to leave the kinder garden of love.

[Mickey_Bickey]

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Let The Legendary Love Begin (Continue actually) March 5, 2009!

[wafflles87]

Clooooiiiiiissssss!!!!!

[stenochick]

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Let The Legendary Love Begin (Continue actually) March 5, 2009!

I love that shot!!! A picture is worth a thousand words!

[ox007]

For Lois and Clark to work - only 9th season could resolve their feelings, if 8th is the last there won't be a credible switch of CK's feelings towards Lois IMO. They messed with his feelings too much in past 4 episodes (esp. in Requiem) to just move on the next morning. I wonder though how he'll react when he sees Lois the next time!

[Mickey_Bickey]

I love that shot!!! A picture is worth a thousand words!


Enough said!!:D;)

[margarita_salt]

This show has always made it look like Lois Lane is second choice.

[Alania]

^^^You guise love that argument, huh? Doesn't bug anymore. She might be second, but she's the real deal. Like they say, first is awkard, second gets better. In Clark's case, is the best!

[Mickey_Bickey]

This show has always made it look like Lois Lane is second choice.

Not at all. All that matters is that because of Clois Clana has always been just a temporary relationship and never stood a chance. It was doomed to fail from the beginning as demonstrated during their many break ups and other relationships they were in. It was always just his first relationship. It was never intended to last.

So, no matter how it ends, it ends! Clark moves on to have a never ending relationship with Lois Lane, and in the end the past doesn't matter.

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^^^You guise love that argument, huh? Doesn't bug anymore. She might be second, but she's the real deal. Like they say, first is awkard, second gets better. In Clark's case, is the best!

She's not a second choice. All people have "first loves", but most don't end up with that person and move on to find much greater loves. Both Lois and Clark have loved before they actually fall in love with each other, but what matters is exactly what you said they save the best for last!:D

[wafflles87]

^^^You guise love that argument, huh? Doesn't bug anymore. She might be second, but she's the real deal. Like they say, first is awkard, second gets better. In Clark's case, is the best!

So true Alania :D
'Nuff said ;)

[REebee52]

This show has always made it look like Lois Lane is second choice.

Perhaps, because right now she is. But that doesn't mean she will ALWAYS be second choice. Clark is still young and infatuated with a first love. It doesn't mean it will always be this way.

Clois cometh, I assure you.

[skugers]

Love the pic, Michele! thanks for sharing! :D

[Mickey_Bickey]

Love the pic, Michele! thanks for sharing! :D

Oh, thank you! Just a tiny reminder of who Clark's ultimate love is!;)

[lifelovedestiny]

At first I was mad about all that, but now that I think about it, I think it would be best for all if everyone just forgot about Lana and the last few episodes...

[Your Hero]

He will move on to Lois but deep down he know he will always love Lana more and i feel said for Lois. :(

Don't feel sad for Lois. Clark never got to move on from Lana at the end of Season 7. Nor really at the beginning of this season. He'll always love Lana, yes, however it will be as a charished friend. They've been through alot and even if Lex hadn't helped rip them apart they would have fallen away from each other anyway. I think he knew that Lana is not as noble as he needs his soulmate to be. You could see it in his reactions to some of things she sais or does once she has those powers. They shouldn't have him jump to Lois right away however. Give it a little time with some flirting and inuendo. Keep in mind that deep down Clark remembers all the times he hasn't seen eye to eye with Lana.

Long story short in a roundabout way is: We always remember our first love. Sometimes even stronger than those we've had more recently. He can and will move on But it needs to be done in a classy, tactful way.

[Tinyeppy]

When I first saw Requiem, I was as pissed off as most of you are. I was cursing in such a way I would've made Lois Lane blush and cover up her ears. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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It still is very possible to make Clois the epic love story it's supposed to be.<o:p></o:p>
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The main issue (spelling?) most of y'all seem to have is the fact that since Clana ended tragically and not on a mutual agreement, Clois will come off as the second choice. I used to think that too. I bet some of you read posts of mine where I was saying just that, both before and after the episode.<o:p></o:p>
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But that was just me venting. Think about it... things like this happen all the time. People being broken up by outside events, such as one of the moving away, or even tragic ones, such as death. And yet, after the heartbreak, people manage to move on. They find someone else to spend their life with, and are very happy.<o:p></o:p>
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Heck, this happened to our own Clark Kent in the comicbooks. After Lana, and before Lois, Clark was with a girl called Lori Lemaris. They were in love, and Clark even asked her to mary him. However, she was special. She was a mermaid, and this fact prevented them from being together, and so their relationship ended tragically with them being separated by fate. But, Clark moved on. He met Lois Lane, and once again fell in love, and we all know how that story ended. Does that make Lois second choice in the comics too? Cause I know some comic fans who would rip anyone who even thinks that in half. <o:p></o:p>
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In the comics, after they have fallen in love Clark Kent has proven to Lois Lane time and time and time again that his love for her is incomparable to his love for Lori, just as our own Clark Kent in Smallville will prove to Lois that he loves her a whole lot more than he did Lana.<o:p></o:p>
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When Clark and Lori broke up, they were still in love. However, Clark chose to move on from that. When Clark and Lana ended things in Requiem, they were still in love, however, Clark will choose to move on. BUT... when Lois Lane dies of old age, Clark Kent will keep his love for her in his heart for centuries to come, because from that love he can not move on. He knows he won't ever find someone he will love as much as Lois, so he doesn't try.<o:p></o:p>
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So, to answer this thread... no, they did not cheapen Clois. They threw some roadblocks in it's path, but that's it.<o:p></o:p>
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ITA! Upset on how they handle Lana I still am b/c there's no way CK is going to get over Lana after a month when the next eppy airs. If he wasn't over her in 7 months then he won't after 1 month. He still loves her. <o:p></o:p>
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Lois has to be guarded with her feeling in regards to CK and CK has to accept that Lana just wasn't a good choice. CK eye to need to open already. Lana is not angel. CK has to be shown admitting this because simply Clana was an adult relationship some realization of its failure has to be acknowledged for him to be over CLANA. <o:p></o:p>
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As for the roadblocks & obstacles ahead I see it will be Lois's fear to let him in b/c of CLANA & the fact that she fell in love him without really searching for it. "It sneaked up on her". As for Clark it could come from CLANA as well b/c he’s afraid to admit he loves Lois more then Lana because he doesn't know how to love another women who's very different from Lana & his fear of making the same mistakes as well as falling for her when he also wasn't looking for it. CK & Lois will also have the same intimacy issue as Clana the only difference is that Lois is more experienced in relationships then CK is and we can't forget he can still really hurt Lois. No super sex here. Lois is just Lois Lane & she’s willing to risk her life to love Superman. <o:p></o:p>
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I think these issues if approached well & tasteful in a timely manner we may still have some why TPTB can portray Clois and show the development of it with all the emotional, physical & mental toll that L&C have to work to make it the successful soul mates that they are destined to be. Once they are official there can be no turning back.<o:p></o:p>
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[supervision]

I just want Lois back as soon as possible:)

[tbird4u]

When I first saw Requiem, I was as pissed off as most of you are. I was cursing in such a way I would've made Lois Lane blush and cover up her ears.

But now, I've had time to think, I've had time to read what others thought, I went and researched into Superman history, and I'm not worried.

It still is very possible to make Clois the epic love story it's supposed to be.

The main issue (spelling?) most of y'all seem to have is the fact that since Clana ended tragically and not on a mutual agreement, Clois will come off as the second choice. I used to think that too. I bet some of you read posts of mine where I was saying just that, both before and after the episode.

But that was just me venting. Think about it... things like this happen all the time. People being broken up by outside events, such as one of the moving away, or even tragic ones, such as death. And yet, after the heartbreak, people manage to move on. They find someone else to spend their life with, and are very happy.

Heck, this happened to our own Clark Kent in the comicbooks. After Lana, and before Lois, Clark was with a girl called Lori Lemaris. They were in love, and Clark even asked her to mary him. However, she was special. She was a mermaid, and this fact prevented them from being together, and so their relationship ended tragically with them being separated by fate. But, Clark moved on. He met Lois Lane, and once again fell in love, and we all know how that story ended. Does that make Lois second choice in the comics too? Cause I know some comic fans who would rip anyone who even thinks that in half.

In the comics, after they have fallen in love Clark Kent has proven to Lois Lane time and time and time again that his love for her is incomparable to his love for Lori, just as our own Clark Kent in Smallville will proove to Lois that he loves her a whole lot more than he did Lana.

When Clark and Lori broke up, they were still in love. However, Clark chose to move on from that. When Clark and Lana ended things in Requiem, they were still in love, however, Clark will choose to move on. BUT... when Lois Lane dies of old age, Clark Kent will keep his love for her in his heart for centuries to come, because from that love he can not move on. He knows he won't ever find someone he will love as much as Lois, so he doesn't try.

So, to answer this thread... no, they did not cheapen Clois. They threw some roadblocks in it's path, but that's it.

This is perfect and I agree with it 100%:D

[llk6165]

No, Lois returns, Clark forgets Lana ever existed, sounds good to me!what is wrong with you people where did you read about Clark and Lana...in what Comic book or in which movie or TVshow god damn you are thinking wrongly..Lois Lane is the only love of superman..yes inth beggining there could be something beween them but in the end it should end like a normal Superman's story


SV is not a normal Superman story. It is barely about Clark at all...It's
Bizarroville.

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When I first saw Requiem, I was as pissed off as most of you are. I was cursing in such a way I would've made Lois Lane blush and cover up her ears.

But now, I've had time to think, I've had time to read what others thought, I went and researched into Superman history, and I'm not worried.

It still is very possible to make Clois the epic love story it's supposed to be.

The main issue (spelling?) most of y'all seem to have is the fact that since Clana ended tragically and not on a mutual agreement, Clois will come off as the second choice. I used to think that too. I bet some of you read posts of mine where I was saying just that, both before and after the episode.

But that was just me venting. Think about it... things like this happen all the time. People being broken up by outside events, such as one of the moving away, or even tragic ones, such as death. And yet, after the heartbreak, people manage to move on. They find someone else to spend their life with, and are very happy.

Heck, this happened to our own Clark Kent in the comicbooks. After Lana, and before Lois, Clark was with a girl called Lori Lemaris. They were in love, and Clark even asked her to mary him. However, she was special. She was a mermaid, and this fact prevented them from being together, and so their relationship ended tragically with them being separated by fate. But, Clark moved on. He met Lois Lane, and once again fell in love, and we all know how that story ended. Does that make Lois second choice in the comics too? Cause I know some comic fans who would rip anyone who even thinks that in half.

In the comics, after they have fallen in love Clark Kent has proven to Lois Lane time and time and time again that his love for her is incomparable to his love for Lori, just as our own Clark Kent in Smallville will proove to Lois that he loves her a whole lot more than he did Lana.

When Clark and Lori broke up, they were still in love. However, Clark chose to move on from that. When Clark and Lana ended things in Requiem, they were still in love, however, Clark will choose to move on. BUT... when Lois Lane dies of old age, Clark Kent will keep his love for her in his heart for centuries to come, because from that love he can not move on. He knows he won't ever find someone he will love as much as Lois, so he doesn't try.

So, to answer this thread... no, they did not cheapen Clois. They threw some roadblocks in it's path, but that's it.

Well said Cam. You should post this in Clois thread...its worth the repeat and would catch some Cloisers who didn't stop by here.

[stenochick]

You know the saying, "'Good enough' is the enemy of 'the best'"? In Clark's case, Lois may be second choice, but the second choice is the best. The first choice was good enough because Clark had no idea how great the second choice could be.

I always said milk chocolate was the best, much better than dark chocolate - until I actually tasted dark chocolate. I can't believe I settled for milk chocolate all those years when dark was sitting there right next to it on the shelf. Thank God the milk chocolate was forced away from me and I finally gave in and tasted the dark. Best thing that ever happened to me.:)

Just because it is a cloudy day does not mean that the sun has gone away. Once the clouds go away, the sun is able to reveal its brightness and warmth which have been there the whole time. Now that Lana is gone, Clark's feelings for Lois will reveal themselves in all their brightness and warmth.

Hopefully he will handle them in a sensitive and mature way and Lois has left a few cracks in her walls so some of the feelings can come through.

[loislanechick]

I'm trying to stay positive, but I still hate the fact that they ended clana like that and made it like they want to be together but CANNOT..so I'm wondering how will clark fall for lois after that..I don't like it.

[stenochick]

I'm trying to stay positive, but I still hate the fact that they ended clana like that and made it like they want to be together but CANNOT..so I'm wondering how will clark fall for lois after that..I don't like it.

He already has fallen for Lois. He just needs a little time to grieve the loss of Lana/Clana and learn from all the mistakes he made. In the meantime, his respect for and friendship with Lois will grow.

If both Lana and Clark were really in love and really committed to each other, Lana would have allowed herself to stay with Clark. That is not what she wants if she cannot be intimate with him. Now that she is in a perma-super-suit, she might as well follow her own path and destiny and let Clark follow his.

Her original plan did not include coming back to Smallville and getting back together with Clark, anyway. She only wanted that once she was with him again and realized that is what Clark wanted.

[loislanechick]

He already has fallen for Lois. He just needs a little time to grieve the loss of Lana/Clana and learn from all the mistakes he made. In the meantime, his respect for and friendship with Lois will grow.

If both Lana and Clark were really in love and really committed to each other, Lana would have allowed herself to stay with Clark. That is not what she wants if she cannot be intimate with him. Now that she is in a perma-super-suit, she might as well follow her own path and destiny and let Clark follow his.

Her original plan did not include coming back to Smallville and getting back together with Clark, anyway. She only wanted that once she was with him again and realized that is what Clark wanted.

I know what you mean and I agree..but they gave us that final lana kiss to show that is impossible for them to be together..that's why I think the ending is wrooong.

[stenochick]

I know what you mean and I agree..but they gave us that final lana kiss to show that is impossible for them to be together..that's why I think the ending is wrooong.

I agree. I just think Lana realized that Clark's love for her was totally pure and her love for him still has a lot of neediness mixed in with it.

She would not let him discuss finding a cure. She quickly shut him down with "Dr. Grohl says there is nothing we can do."

I think she finally realized that she had to stop being a victim and stop needing to be with a man, and just go.

If she stayed with Clark, she would only get jealous of anyone and anything that got closer to him than she could. It would never work.

Her plan was to do good in the world with that suit and the best thing she could do for Clark was to leave and move on with her life and let him live his life.

[loislanechick]

I agree. I just think Lana realized that Clark's love for her was totally pure and her love for him still has a lot of neediness mixed in with it.

She would not let him discuss finding a cure. She quickly shut him down with "Dr. Grohl says there is nothing we can do."

I think she finally realized that she had to stop being a victim and stop needing to be with a man, and just go.

If she stayed with Clark, she would only get jealous of anyone and anything that got closer to him than she could. It would never work.

Her plan was to do good in the world with that suit and the best thing she could do for Clark was to leave and move on with her life and let him live his life.

That's true..I guess I was hoping they would end things between them in a more normal way, so to say..It would have been much better if they both realized they are simply not right for each other..high school's over and so is their love and they could both move on and find the person they are destined to be with. But then again, this is smallville..they always have to complicate things.

[Isabel14]

Yes, they did. I will never be able to look at Clark the way I looked at the first episodes, and the worse is that they did to ruin Clark, and they need to do a lot to fix this up

[stenochick]

That's true..I guess I was hoping they would end things between them in a more normal way, so to say..It would have been much better if they both realized they are simply not right for each other..high school's over and so is their love and they could both move on and find the person they are destined to be with. But then again, this is smallville..they always have to complicate things.

Understatement of the century :lol:.

I prefer your version to the SuperLana version.

[zanaamen]

Clark do nothing wrong just bcuz he is not with Lois we have to say they ruined him?
I think they showed us who really Clark is and whom they made him to be the Superman

[stenochick]

Yes, they did. I will never be able to look at Clark the way I looked at the first episodes, and the worse is that they did to ruin Clark, and they need to do a lot to fix this up

Clark is so pure in heart and the final scene of Requiem reminded me of this. He told Lana that he wanted her to stay in his life even if they could not physically be together. It does not get more pure hearted than that. He loves Lana unconditionally.

What was Lana's respone to Clark's need/want? She said no. She admitted to herself that she was not able to do that and she did not want to do that. And then she left him again. The final shot was of Clark alone on the floor whispering, "I love you, too" or something like that. There were a million ways to make it work but none of those ways were the way that Lana wanted it.

It's over. Clark finally has closure. Lana willingly left him even though she could be in his life, just approximately 20 feet away at all times. He knows that now. Now he can close that chapter of his life and make room in his heart for Lois at some point in the future.

I will be so upset if Infamous shows Clark still pining for Lana and feeling like a victim of Lex's evil plan. The description of the episode doesn't seem to leave any room for that. Therefore, I will remain optimistic that Clark has truly moved on and needs his friends, including Lois, to be there for him.

[SupermanRox]

I will be so upset if Infamous shows Clark still pining for Lana and feeling like a victim of Lex's evil plan. The description of the episode doesn't seem to leave any room for that. Therefore, I will remain optimistic that Clark has truly moved on and needs his friends, including Lois, to be there for him. <!-- / message -->

This is one of my concerns as well. Hopefully we won't have to worry about this. Smallville took so many steps backward when Lana came back into the picture I'm wondering how the writers are going to rectify this backward momentum. I hope that the next episodes in Season 8 are so amazing that I will forget about all of their faux pas.

[Kevin24]

How long after Requiem is Infamous going to take place? How much time has passed between the two episodes in Smallville's time?

I really believe it depends on that because we can't have Clark pretend that never happened if it's one week after.

[LoveHurts38]

How long after Requiem is Infamous going to take place? How much time has passed between the two episodes in Smallville's time?

I really believe it depends on that because we can't have Clark pretend that never happened if it's one week after.

I hope it says one year later.

[SupermanRox]

How long after Requiem is Infamous going to take place? How much time has passed between the two episodes in Smallville's time?

Very good point. I don't know the answer to that but I do believe that if the writers want the viewers to believe in his transformation to Superman and/or his relationship with Lois, then they will have to show that some time has passed.

[red_sun1938]

I wouldn't say "cheapened" CLois as much as I would say "poured gasoline on it, lit a match, watched it burn and then danced all over the smoldering remains" of CLois. That's what I would say.

[skugers]

How long after Requiem is Infamous going to take place? How much time has passed between the two episodes in Smallville's time?

I really believe it depends on that because we can't have Clark pretend that never happened if it's one week after.
I'd say one month, till Jimmy wakes up and gets transfered to Metropolis General :)

[supermanover21]

I think the ending of this episode made it seem that Clark is going to "settle" for Lois because they wanted to end the Clark and Lana relationship. They may have done it the wrong way, but I think Clark will realize that Lois is the love of his life. Lana is important, but Lois is more so.

[BadToad]

I'd love to see Infamous taking place at least 3 months later. Then we need some explanation of where Lois has been this whole time, but I think thats easy enough to do. Well, for most writers. I can't vouch for SV writers.

[supermanover21]

I'd love to see Infamous taking place at least 3 months later. Then we need some explanation of where Lois has been this whole time, but I think thats easy enough to do. Well, for most writers. I can't vouch for SV writers.


They don't seem quite as clever anymore, do they?

[Mrs. Superman]

I think the ending of this episode made it seem that Clark is going to "settle" for Lois because they wanted to end the Clark and Lana relationship. They may have done it the wrong way, but I think Clark will realize that Lois is the love of his life. Lana is important, but Lois is more so.
The more I think about it the more convinced I am that it was a case of lazy writing. Why would the writers want us to believe Lois is second choice when a day later they play up the Clark and Lois relationship? Especially when they know it's a big draw. Unfortunately, they probably didn't realize how bad it looks for Lois simply because every other Superman incarnation states the opposite: the love Clark has for Lois is unparalleled. I'm guessing they figured we would never get offended by this story arc or conclude that this cheapens future Clois bc they assume we already know how the story goes.

At this point I'm not even sure what story they are trying to tell. Even aside from Clois they retconned a lot in order to make their characters fit into this story. I am very disappointed that they believed these episodes were written well enough to be produced.

[supermanover21]

The more I think about it the more convinced I am that it was a case of lazy writing. Why would the writers want us to believe Lois is second choice when a day later they play up the Clark and Lois relationship? Especially when they know it's a big draw. Unfortunately, they probably didn't realize how bad it looks for Lois simply because every other Superman incarnation states the opposite: the love Clark has for Lois is unparalleled. I'm guessing they figured we would never get offended by this story arc or conclude that this cheapens future Clois bc they assume we already know how the story goes.

At this point I'm not even sure what story they are trying to tell. Even aside from Clois they retconned a lot in order to make their characters fit into this story. I am very disappointed that they believed these episodes were written well enough to be produced.

There wasn't a real point to this arc except to create more episodes.

[InAFlash]

I don't think the writers have a problem. Just because they don't write the story the way you may like doesn't mean they have a problem. It means they have their own agenda, thoughts, opinions and they decide to go with that not the wishes, dreams and hopes of some fans.
To answer the OP's question. Is Clois cheapened? Well, yes, if you hold to the comics for your source material and no if you don't hold to the comics. Clois will never be comic book Clois on this show. There isn't enough time, unless you want it rushed or lightswitched - particularly if this is the last season. Then no, you won't get your comic book Clois story. But that was never TPTB's aim in the first place. They said that Clana was the heart of the show and that's what they focused on. Knowing that, it's pretty hard to get mad at them for something they told fans from the beginning. Clois is whatever it is in the comics and movies, but on Smallville it's a secondary story - B-plot. It was not the writers' focus. You have the Adventures of Lois & Clark for your comic story, but Smallville is not that story.

I completely agree with this post. Most of the posts I've read make the assumption that the writers will now attempt to put Lois and Clark together and show that Clark loves Lois more than any other woman. Why make this assumption? We the fans of Smallville are not writing the story. It's their story not ours and they're free to write it the way they want. I realize that DC Comics forces them to follow certain rules. One of those rules may be that Clark must end up with Lois Lane. However, does that absolutely mean that she has to be the love of his life. Because guess what? In their version of the story it appears that Lana Lang is the love of his life. It would be extremely difficult for the writers to take this back now. They must have been allowed by DC to do this, because it's done! Does this cheapen Clois? I suppose it does if they can't top the final scene between Clark and Lana.

I don't know where the writers go from here but I'm guessing that fans of Clois will not be happy in the end. If the writers are indeed saying that Lana is the love of Clark's life that would not bother me in the least because Smallville is not the definitive story of Superman. In fact what is the definitive Superman story? Is there one? I don't think so. Each story about Superman that I've read or watched is different and unique with certain basic elements. I've enjoyed each one and appreciated what the writers were trying to create. IMO because it's fiction the writers should be allowed to change things. Where's the fun in knowing exactly how the story will turn out or in seeing the same old story each time around.

[zHeN_zHeN]

I'd love to see Infamous taking place at least 3 months later. Then we need some explanation of where Lois has been this whole time, but I think thats easy enough to do. Well, for most writers. I can't vouch for SV writers.
So, far it's only been a week and half in SV time, right? So, a time jump of a couple of months sounds very reasonable to me and would make a lot of sense. I mean, it would give Jimmy enough time to recover, it would also give Lois time to get over Clark, and lastly it would give Clark time to accept what happened to Lana.

[ateacup]

I haven't seen "Requiem" and I'm not gonna..
After "Power" I can't be bothered.

[LoisLaneJournalist]

Hi!! soo is my first time posting
well im a huge lois lane fan
clois fan!!

but i was really really angry mad ect...
i realize this
im thinking and hoping lois when she returns
realize that clark is not for her
soo she will meet the red blue blur(superman)
and fall in love jaja (again clark)

but clark now be in truly in love with her and his only chance to have her love again
is with his secret identity
if that happend i think i get happy jajaj xD

[loislanechick]

Hi!! soo is my first time posting
well im a huge lois lane fan
clois fan!!

but i was really really angry mad ect...
i realize this
im thinking and hoping lois when she returns
realize that clark is not for her
soo she will meet the red blue blur(superman)
and fall in love jaja (again clark)

but clark now be in truly in love with her and his only chance to have her love again
is with his secret identity
if that happend i think i get happy jajaj xD

Welcome LoisLaneJournalist! Enjoy are little clois world..it's always nice to have meet a new clois fan ;) Who knows, maybe lois will fall in love with the red and blue blur and that would give us so many great episodes to enjoy :)

[zanaamen]

Hi!! soo is my first time posting
well im a huge lois lane fan
clois fan!!

but i was really really angry mad ect...
i realize this
im thinking and hoping lois when she returns
realize that clark is not for her
soo she will meet the red blue blur(superman)
and fall in love jaja (again clark)

but clark now be in truly in love with her and his only chance to have her love again
is with his secret identity
if that happend i think i get happy jajaj xD


Ther is no room for two great love in one series, SV is all about Clana

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

I dont think that messed up Clois. I remember in the beginning of the season we wanted Clois! Now we dont! Why? Because of the recent storyline...grrrrrrr. I didnt want Clois only because I think Clois should come after there is a Superman established. They certainly made sure they couldnt give up Clois after the Clana storyline. I think that is what PS3's wanted to do.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Ther is no room for two great love in one series, SV is all about Clana

Martha and Johnathan were the only great love on this show so far.

Lana and Clark dated for what a season and a half full of episodes in 7 years? Please, that relationship was based on mistrust, jealousy, angst, insecurities and an overall feeling of doubt. That is not the description of a great love.

Now, what you'll see with Lois Lane though is quite the opposite. Superman and Lois Lane's relationship is based on trust, unconditional love, support, confidence and the understanding of what each other's roles are in their lives together. That's why it doesn't end, and that is a great love story!

[stenochick]

So, far it's only been a week and half in SV time, right? So, a time jump of a couple of months sounds very reasonable to me and would make a lot of sense. I mean, it would give Jimmy enough time to recover, it would also give Lois time to get over Clark, and lastly it would give Clark time to accept what happened to Lana.

Bride and Legion took place on two consecutive days. Bulletproof seemd like more than a day. Not sure how may days went by during Power but the last scene was the night before the teaser in Requiem.

Therefore I would agree with you that the last five weeks of episodes were only about a week and a half in Smallville time. Clark and Lana were only reunited for a short time. He will mend his broken heart and throw himself into his work at the Planet and as the Red-Blue Blur and Lois will throw herself into her work and getting to the bottom of the RBB mystery.

[Darth Pipes]

I have not been a fan of how the Lois and Clark relationship has been portrayed on this show. It's moved too fast and has been completely one-sided, with Lois showing all the interest. I've also grown tired of every character pimping this relationship from Oliver to Jimmy to Maxima to Zod's wife to Kara to Chloe, etc. Might be someone else in there too. It's not that I think the two of them are bad together. They actually have pretty good chemistry (when Lois isn't being a *****) but this show has handled this relationship with all the subtly of a sledgehammer.

However, Lois is Clark's true love. It's always been that way in the Superman mythos. But how can anyone view a potential relationship between the two of them seriously now? Basically, Lois Lane is destined to become Clark Kent's back-up choice becuase he can't be with Lana and literally can't be around her. It doesn't matter how passionately he might fall in love with her. This episode has confirmed that on Smallville, Lois Lane is permanetly number two.

I mean, the fact that she disappeared during this entire Lana storyline and was barely mentioned should show how "important" she really was to Clark. Lana should have just returned to the wedding, said hi to Clark, and both should have just agreed to go their seperate ways. But the Boy of Steel refuses to grow up and the only reason he will be with Lois now is because he can't be with Lana. There's no other way around it.

[Clana4Life]

Then what are we doing with this show? What are we aiming for with the story? Clark can't fly...thats OK this isn't the comics! Clark becomes DangerMan...thats OK this isn't the comics! I'm not saying that it has to be 100% true to the comics but certain touchstones need to be hit.

Also the comics don't say he ends up with Lois ;) He's ended up with Wonder Woman and Linda Danvers in the past. Remember Clark is going to outlive Lois and he's been shown to move on after her death and marry and have children. With Linda he just plain chooses her over Lois.

Clois isn't something this show has to bother with if we read the comics. We are lucky to be getting any of that in a show called Smallville. Shippers shouldn't feel disenfranchised by the lack of Clois. That was what the New Adventures of Superman was for in the 90's. This is Smallville, the story of Clark's journey to becoming Superman and Lana is far more important to that story than Lois. Her relationship with Clark really should take precident. I'm not a fan of Kreuk's Lana but I know the priorites. Remember than Lois really shouldn't be in it!

Personally I hope season 9 is relatively shipping free. It does none of the characters any favours. Have Clark date Lori Lemaris who is a water based metoer freak but only have her appear in 7 episodes throughout the season or so. Show Lois and Clark working together well in a professional capacity. We really shouldn't see clois happen, its beyond the scope of the show. Keep it to flirting.:\

This is a good post. I agree. Keep Season 9 shipper free.

[Rift]

Wow. Still going.

Short episode synopsis: This was Romeo and Juliet...without the happy ending.

[Kal26]

Also the comics don't say he ends up with Lois ;) He's ended up with Wonder Woman and Linda Danvers in the past. Remember Clark is going to outlive Lois and he's been shown to move on after her death and marry and have children. With Linda he just plain chooses her over Lois.


The comics do say he ends up with Lois. The stories you are talking about are both alternate realities. Clark's decision to be with Linda caused a break in reality making that one an alternate where he and Linda had a child, and in our reality, he was with Lois. That alternate universe was later wiped from existence. Kingdom Come, where Clark ended up with Wonder Woman and had a child, was also a tale of an alternate universe which has now become part of the multiverse. In that story he only moved on over ten years after the brutal death of the love of his life, Lois Lane. It's not that he out lived her, she was killed in an attack on the Daily Planet by the Joker. Neither stories affected the fact that in our reality, earth one, or now new earth, Clark has always ended up with Lois. While these alternate realities are comics, they have not been made part of the canon of our universes Superman. In fact the Kingdom Come version of Superman has recently been added to the line up of the new JSA, and has fought beside our Superman, who is currently married to Lois Lane. Aside from the very few versions that have depicted Superman either moving on after Lois' death, in which she was still considered the love of his life, or the One version that I know of where he chose another, his relationship with Lois Lane has been a staple in the story of Superman the majority of the time.

[Sunny8]

... there is no way clark will fall in love with lois that fast and if he does that wouldnt be right. IN the end, Clark and Lana love will always preveil. There is NO WAY in hell that Clark will ever choose Lois over Lana. DId you see how fast Lois was 2nd rate/disposable when Lana came back? THats how it will always be.

And, if the future episodes are anything to go by the same thing is going to happen to Lana. Yes they are going to make Clark Kent look really fickle. One day in love with Lana and the next day having budding feelings for Lois. So I guess he didn't really love Lana as much as he said, huh?

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the simple fact of the matter is that theyve spent nearly 8 years developing the clana relationship for each other and saying that he will be with lois in possible before the season ends is pretty rediculous

Not really. I could have dated someone during 4 years of high school and 4 years of college and then turned around and married someone totally different than the person I had dated for 8 years. Also, Clark and Lana weren't consistently together for 8 years. They were more apart than together in the 8 years that this show has been around so really there relationship did not develop consistently enough for them to even be together in the end.

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Her [Lois] romantic relationship with Clark is the cornerstone of the Superman mythos (DC themselves say this). She had her own title Superman's Girlfriend: Lois Lane which went on for years.

Does Lana even have her own comic book or has she only ever been featured in other character's stories. Actually, who would be interested in Lana's comic?--oh, I guess now that she is super powered she will have her own comic book:rotfl:.

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... Play Station 3(bootleg version)

Hilarious:rotfl:. You even made them a bootleg version of themselves:lol:.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Irrelevant and moot point. Clark is a metropolis reporter now. Lois is pivotal at this point, she is now within her own territory. Smallville’s Lana arc is obsolete after highschool. Lana supposed to be married to Pete by now. Clark should've learned to fly at 17, in college, dating Lori Lemaris. Lana met Clark Kent in elementary school. They became good friends, and ((Lana)) fell in love with Clark. Her thoughts of marriage ((ended)) in high school. Clark doesn’t meet Lex til he's 25 ECT; So, if you're going to talk about Lois, talk about the most annoying inconsistencies with the mythos, or adaptation of the comic, mythos revolves around Kent, Lane and Superman.



And here's another fact, Clark doesn't fall for Lana Lang, it is the opposite. Lois at first considered Clark only as a rival scooping her on an interview, over the years Lois grew to love both Superman, and Clark Kent. Futhermore, Clark proposed, Lois accepted not yet knowing he was Superman. So it can translated into anything SV. Because Just about everything in SV is suppose to take place after Clark Kent becomes superman. His first encounter with kryptonite was at the age of 26, and just look at all those meteor rocks in smallville. lol Lane/Kent follows the mythos, story, legend, plot etc. They are the mythos. Lana and Kent are not.

The point is, since all the characters are in there, get the characters and their stories somewhat right. But the mythos is primarily focused on Superman, you cannot stray from his mythos concerning justice, strength and morals.



That entire post contradicting, biased and personal dissection. Rant about people doing what you are doing now. It’s hypocrisy. Revealing your own shipper status, and interest. In bride, was it not Clark who grabbed Lois's hand, was in not Clark who began dancing with her, was it not Clark also gazing into her eyes. This is not one-sided. Lois does love Clark. There is a lot to her character, she is ashamed to show real love as if if were a vulnerability, a weakness. And there’s more to the character then just the name.

The previous episodes before the Lana arc showed that Lois and Clark had been through a lot together, bloodline, instinct, toxic, committed. Dude, it pays to pay attention. And Lana left Clark to wonder, to hurt watching her dear jane video over and over again. She could've returned a long time ago, could’ve called him, but chose to selfishly pursue power. You don't understand Lana's desire for strength and it was nothing to do with Clark. The writers have been stressing that desire for several seasons now.

And If you think because Durance carries the Lois Lane title is the only reason people like her, shows your narrowed vision on the character. and overall perception, rather misconception. It also shows that you mentally chose clana over the arrival of Lois and didn't bother to learn of that character, otherwise you wouldn't have made such an assuming statement. You would know what fans see in the character. Give the writers/actors some credit because they got that one right, to a degree, details, details. Furthermore, because Durance held the name, people paid more attention ro the character, yes, naturally. But, to like her, she had to make it believable, and had to put character into the role. Why do you think they added Lois in the first place? The Lois Lane persona is likable in-general, she has a likable spunky personality, mentally strong, independent, and is what a lot of people felt the show was missing. The writers gave her a great storyline, background following the comics with Sam Lane. But if you're hating on her, you can't see the significance of her character on smallville.

Chloe is another example, even though she is an original character, she has most of the comic book traits of Lana Lang and the investigating tenacity of Lois Lane.

SV Lana is the one who is out of character.

And SV Clark never gave up his powers. period. He was punished by Jor-El and his powers were stripped. Also, some fans prefer Chloe over Lana, showing they just don't like SV lana’s character. And that’s funny, because Chloe best represents comic book Lana. It’s about personality and preference.



Now this question is funny, because it’s classic comical banter, and they are both guilty of it. But it serves a purpose, quoting from episodes.

Oliver: Yeah. This is funny. You know, the way Lois talked about you, I thought you were going to be a little bit more---

Lois: I could use some water.

Clark: A little more what?

Oliver: Well...

Clark: Of a geek?

Lois: Well, you're not exactly jumping the velvet ropes at nightclubs so...

Clark: It's really nice to see that Lois has found someone who can really overlook her personality.

Oliver: Oh, don't worry about it, Clark. If I lived under the same roof with such a beautiful woman, I probably masked my feelings with sarcasm, too.

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Lana: "You and Lois."

Clark: "Lois? She's bossy. She's stuck up, she's rude. I can't stand her."

Lana: "The best ones always start that way."

That's the mythos of Clark Kent Lois Lane. It simply just now getting started.


Excellent post!!!

[actaeon]

Lois is Clark's true love. It's always been that way in the Superman mythos. But how can anyone view a potential relationship between the two of them seriously now? Basically, Lois Lane is destined to become Clark Kent's back-up choice becuase he can't be with Lana

Where is it written that because a guy falls in love with one girl, and it doesn't work out, he can never truly love again? Why must Lois be second-best? Just because she is second in line doesn't mean she's second-best.

The way I look at it, Lana was just for practice. Lois will be the real thing.

Look at how Clark and Lana related. The angst, the silliness, the immaturity of it! She was the ideal of a love-struck high school boy. Who put her on a pedestal. This idealized love was largely a construct of his own mind. Clark is 20-something now, but because he is emotionally immature he couldn't let Lana go, even though it was pretty obvious that their relationship was toxic.

Clana was all about angst. Where was the happiness in their relationship, the joy? When he's around Lois, Clark tends to be smiling. Lana always seemed to make him sad or yearning or angry. For me, that's 'nuf said.

[Jor-Fer]

Clana was all about angst. Where was the happiness in their relationship, the joy? When he's around Lois, Clark tends to be smiling. Lana always seemed to make him sad or yearning or angry. For me, that's 'nuf said.


This is only because he is deeply in love with Lana and doesn´t have interest on Lois more than friendship .A relationship without angst doesn´t work on TV , this angst makes their bonds stronger and reinforces their feelings everytime they get over a problem . It´s a classic resource to show the idea of star-crossed lovers.

I bet for the angst in Lois and Clark relationship if season 9 airs and writers want Lois to be Clark´s love interest.

[oqllcksmallville]

He will move on to Lois but deep down he know he will always love Lana more and i feel said for Lois. :(
no he wont . =|
it just seems like he will ,
because of the way their making Clark act on this show .
the truth is Clark can't love Lana in the same park as Lois ,
and i feel bad for LANA that she had to waste 8 years on him .

[batfinx]

This is only because he is deeply in love with Lana and doesn´t have interest on Lois more than friendship .A relationship without angst doesn´t work on TV , this angst makes their bonds stronger and reinforces their feelings everytime they get over a problem . It´s a classic resource to show the idea of star-crossed lovers.

You're confusing angst (dread/anxiety/impending doom) with conflict (opposition between characters or forces in a work of drama or fiction), which does not have to be dreary, tearful or angst-ridden. It can actually be humorous, as is often the conflict between Clark and Lois. All drama has to have conflict, but angst is used either in the short term for melodramatic effect, or in the long term as a symptom of an irresolvable problem. It's the latter where you'll find angst used for star-crossed characters because they are never meant to be happy together and that's the truth with Clark and Lana. Generally forces outside a couple's control come to bear on them in star-crossed relationships driving them apart. However on Smallville, the angst has always been the fault of the characters themselves.

The parameters for Clark and Lana's doomed relationship began fairly simple. Clark was afraid to tell Lana his secret, but Lana demanded to know his secret and when he didn't comply, she left for France, or dumped him for Lex, etc., because her love for Clark hinged on her condition that he tell her his secret. Clark's secret qualifies as short term angst, because once that problem is resolved, it's gone. Though in Reckoning it caused a problem even when he was honest with Lana because she went to Lex after he phoned her. Again, the problem was caused by a character in the relationship.

Clark reset time to prevent Lana from dying, which made Jonathan's life the forfeit for his actions. More angst and again it was caused by a character in the relationship. With time reset, Clark chose not to tell Lana his secret so the doomed path would not repeat itself, but it did anyway. Lana was angry and said they needed a break from each other, but inexplicably she kept hanging around him, so it was put on Clark's shoulders to end the relationship in Hypnotic. Two episodes later she was making out with Lex and that takes us to season 6.

Lana and Lex were a couple and there was more angst. They were also a doomed couple. By Hydro Lana went sniffing back around Clark, but he was not having it because he found out she was pregnant, so she went back to Lex and accepted his proposal. In Labyrinth Clark's distorted image of Lana as innocent and pure, who never even had a relationship with Whitney much less Lex, was revealed. In Crimson Clark kidnapped Lana, but even on red kryptonite, he did not tell her the truth about himself, though had done so earlier with Lois. More angst as Lana went ape in Trespass wildly searching for Clark's secret and that continued into Promise. More angst because she decided to use her old tactic of giving a boyfriend a dear john brush off, but got caught by Lionel who forced her to marry Lex. The angst-ridden season played out with Lana faking her own death.

Season 7 Lana returned and she and Clark unwisely hooked up again. She could've been happy. Clark's secret was out in the open, but her need for revenge was too strong and so she began committing criminal acts like kidnapping, false imprisonment, torture and she had stolen ten million dollars to help finance her revenge. She nearly murdered Lex in Wrath, but also willingly got into his kiss. Then got into a month long relationship with Bizarro. Then there was an external moment of angst when Brainiac attacked her and then, as we find out this season, she was forced to leave. So let's pick up with that in Season 8.

We find out Lana was forced to leave Clark the dear john DVD, but we also find out that she had gotten away from her captors that very night, but made no attempt to contact Clark and put his mind at ease. Instead she went on a self aggrandizing journey that culminated with the super suit. For whatever reason Lana decided she could not be a hero if she were merely human and so rushed a project ahead that had not even been fully tested so she could be a superhero. Her haste and hubris also prevented her from looking too deeply into the design of the suit and its feature of absorbing kryptonite.

I have never ever seen these two as a good couple, or even a couple who had the vaguest clue what true love means and the recent Lana arc proved that in spades.

[kari916]

You had to see this coming a Lois and Clark pairing I saw it when they first brought Lois Lane to Smallville in season 4 it seems to me it was envitable that they would be together at the near end of the series if this is the end I wouldn't mind one more season.

[InAFlash]

You're confusing angst (dread/anxiety/impending doom) with conflict (opposition between characters or forces in a work of drama or fiction), which does not have to be dreary, tearful or angst-ridden. It can actually be humorous, as is often the conflict between Clark and Lois. All drama has to have conflict, but angst is used either in the short term for melodramatic effect, or in the long term as a symptom of an irresolvable problem. It's the latter where you'll find angst used for star-crossed characters because they are never meant to be happy together and that's the truth with Clark and Lana. Generally forces outside a couple's control come to bear on them in star-crossed relationships driving them apart. However on Smallville, the angst has always been the fault of the characters themselves.

The parameters for Clark and Lana's doomed relationship began fairly simple. Clark was afraid to tell Lana his secret, but Lana demanded to know his secret and when he didn't comply, she left for France, or dumped him for Lex, etc., because her love for Clark hinged on her condition that he tell her his secret. Clark's secret qualifies as short term angst, because once that problem is resolved, it's gone. Though in Reckoning it caused a problem even when he was honest with Lana because she went to Lex after he phoned her. Again, the problem was caused by a character in the relationship.

Clark reset time to prevent Lana from dying, which made Jonathan's life the forfeit for his actions. More angst and again it was caused by a character in the relationship. With time reset, Clark chose not to tell Lana his secret so the doomed path would not repeat itself, but it did anyway. Lana was angry and said they needed a break from each other, but inexplicably she kept hanging around him, so it was put on Clark's shoulders to end the relationship in Hypnotic. Two episodes later she was making out with Lex and that takes us to season 6.

Lana and Lex were a couple and there was more angst. They were also a doomed couple. By Hydro Lana went sniffing back around Clark, but he was not having it because he found out she was pregnant, so she went back to Lex and accepted his proposal. In Labyrinth Clark's distorted image of Lana as innocent and pure, who never even had a relationship with Whitney much less Lex, was revealed. In Crimson Clark kidnapped Lana, but even on red kryptonite, he did not tell her the truth about himself, though had done so earlier with Lois. More angst as Lana went ape in Trespass wildly searching for Clark's secret and that continued into Promise. More angst because she decided to use her old tactic of giving a boyfriend a dear john brush off, but got caught by Lionel who forced her to marry Lex. The angst-ridden season played out with Lana faking her own death.

Season 7 Lana returned and she and Clark unwisely hooked up again. She could've been happy. Clark's secret was out in the open, but her need for revenge was too strong and so she began committing criminal acts like kidnapping, false imprisonment, torture and she had stolen ten million dollars to help finance her revenge. She nearly murdered Lex in Wrath, but also willingly got into his kiss. Then got into a month long relationship with Bizarro. Then there was an external moment of angst when Brainiac attacked her and then, as we find out this season, she was forced to leave. So let's pick up with that in Season 8.

We find out Lana was forced to leave Clark the dear john DVD, but we also find out that she had gotten away from her captors that very night, but made no attempt to contact Clark and put his mind at ease. Instead she went on a self aggrandizing journey that culminated with the super suit. For whatever reason Lana decided she could not be a hero if she were merely human and so rushed a project ahead that had not even been fully tested so she could be a superhero. Her haste and hubris also prevented her from looking too deeply into the design of the suit and its feature of absorbing kryptonite.

I have never ever seen these two as a good couple, or even a couple who had the vaguest clue what true love means and the recent Lana arc proved that in spades.

I'll admit Clark and Lana have done their share of things to sabotage their relationship. Clark with his inability to be honest with Lana all the way into S6 and Lana with her behavior in S7. However, there are clearly a number of external forces that keep them apart. At the end of S2 they are clearly very happy with one another until Jor-El forces Clark to face his destiny. Jor-El is the external force. In S6 Lana has decided to leave Lex at the alter after she learns Clark's secret. Lionel however intervenes and blackmails Lana into marrying Lex. Lionel is the external force here. In S7 Brainiac puts Lana into a comatose state forcing them apart. Brainiac is the external force. When Lana awakens Tess and Lex's henchmen force her to make a videotape in which she says goodbye to Clark presumably forever. Tess and Lex's henchmen are the external force here. The final external force comes when Lex forces Lana to absorb enough kryptonite to keep them apart forever.

I disagree when you say these two have never been a good couple or that they have the vaguest clue what love means. They're clearly very happy at the end of S2 when Jor-El interferes. They're clearly happy at the beginning of S5 when Clark loses his abilities until he gets them back and decides to lie about who he is. Finally, in this last episode, "Requiem" they appear very happy together in the bedroom scene until Lex succeeds in keeping them apart.

I think if anything this recent Lana arc proves how much these two really do love one another. In these five episodes Lana is portrayed as much more mature than in previous seasons. She prepares herself mentally before putting on the suit that will make her Clark's equal. I believe she's trying to become the kind of woman Clark can love. Unfortunately for them it does not work out because as you say they are star crossed lovers destined to be apart.

I believe the characters when they say they love one another in the final scene. If you want to believe that these two really don't love one another that's fine but that's not what is being shown here. Being with someone you love is not always easy or possible I think that's what the writers are trying to show us here.

[Jor-Fer]

You're confusing angst (dread/anxiety/impending doom) with conflict (opposition between characters or forces in a work of drama or fiction), which does not have to be dreary, tearful or angst-ridden. It can actually be humorous, as is often the conflict between Clark and Lois. All drama has to have conflict, but angst is used either in the short term for melodramatic effect, or in the long term as a symptom of an irresolvable problem. It's the latter where you'll find angst used for star-crossed characters because they are never meant to be happy together and that's the truth with Clark and Lana. Generally forces outside a couple's control come to bear on them in star-crossed relationships driving them apart. However on Smallville, the angst has always been the fault of the characters themselves.

The parameters for Clark and Lana's doomed relationship began fairly simple. Clark was afraid to tell Lana his secret, but Lana demanded to know his secret and when he didn't comply, she left for France, or dumped him for Lex, etc., because her love for Clark hinged on her condition that he tell her his secret. Clark's secret qualifies as short term angst, because once that problem is resolved, it's gone. Though in Reckoning it caused a problem even when he was honest with Lana because she went to Lex after he phoned her. Again, the problem was caused by a character in the relationship.

Clark reset time to prevent Lana from dying, which made Jonathan's life the forfeit for his actions. More angst and again it was caused by a character in the relationship. With time reset, Clark chose not to tell Lana his secret so the doomed path would not repeat itself, but it did anyway. Lana was angry and said they needed a break from each other, but inexplicably she kept hanging around him, so it was put on Clark's shoulders to end the relationship in Hypnotic. Two episodes later she was making out with Lex and that takes us to season 6.

Lana and Lex were a couple and there was more angst. They were also a doomed couple. By Hydro Lana went sniffing back around Clark, but he was not having it because he found out she was pregnant, so she went back to Lex and accepted his proposal. In Labyrinth Clark's distorted image of Lana as innocent and pure, who never even had a relationship with Whitney much less Lex, was revealed. In Crimson Clark kidnapped Lana, but even on red kryptonite, he did not tell her the truth about himself, though had done so earlier with Lois. More angst as Lana went ape in Trespass wildly searching for Clark's secret and that continued into Promise. More angst because she decided to use her old tactic of giving a boyfriend a dear john brush off, but got caught by Lionel who forced her to marry Lex. The angst-ridden season played out with Lana faking her own death.

Season 7 Lana returned and she and Clark unwisely hooked up again. She could've been happy. Clark's secret was out in the open, but her need for revenge was too strong and so she began committing criminal acts like kidnapping, false imprisonment, torture and she had stolen ten million dollars to help finance her revenge. She nearly murdered Lex in Wrath, but also willingly got into his kiss. Then got into a month long relationship with Bizarro. Then there was an external moment of angst when Brainiac attacked her and then, as we find out this season, she was forced to leave. So let's pick up with that in Season 8.

We find out Lana was forced to leave Clark the dear john DVD, but we also find out that she had gotten away from her captors that very night, but made no attempt to contact Clark and put his mind at ease. Instead she went on a self aggrandizing journey that culminated with the super suit. For whatever reason Lana decided she could not be a hero if she were merely human and so rushed a project ahead that had not even been fully tested so she could be a superhero. Her haste and hubris also prevented her from looking too deeply into the design of the suit and its feature of absorbing kryptonite.

I have never ever seen these two as a good couple, or even a couple who had the vaguest clue what true love means and the recent Lana arc proved that in spades.


Great post for sure , but it´s still a personal point of view of the facts.I didn´t want to explain my opinion , I only read the facts that writers want to show us , everyone has his personal perspective of what is happening in the show but the point is that writers aren´t giving us something to ramble or especulate , they are giving us concret concepts in each scene , there are a lot of examples : Clana kiss in bulletproof was a scene needed to tell us that they were still in love (everyone can speculate if they still love each other or not but what writers wanted to show was this).Also in 7 season when Lana tells Lionel that she´ll never hide anything to Clark because she wanted to be the girl she was before ,writers were showing us Lana´s redemption.After that there is no one specific scene that showed Lana´s darkside but a lot of people still thought she was evil.

As I said before , everyone is free to read the facts as they want , but writers have always had an idea in mind and in terms of ships Clana have been brought(or tried to ) as the true love of the series.Creators said it since the beginning.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Where is it written that because a guy falls in love with one girl, and it doesn't work out, he can never truly love again? Why must Lois be second-best? Just because she is second in line doesn't mean she's second-best.

The way I look at it, Lana was just for practice. Lois will be the real thing.

Look at how Clark and Lana related. The angst, the silliness, the immaturity of it! She was the ideal of a love-struck high school boy. Who put her on a pedestal. This idealized love was largely a construct of his own mind. Clark is 20-something now, but because he is emotionally immature he couldn't let Lana go, even though it was pretty obvious that their relationship was toxic.

Clana was all about angst. Where was the happiness in their relationship, the joy? When he's around Lois, Clark tends to be smiling. Lana always seemed to make him sad or yearning or angry. For me, that's 'nuf said.

I've been saying for a long time exactly what you put in this post, and that is that the whole Clana relationship was based on mistrust, insecurities, doubt and angst! It's not exactly a recipe for longterm, happy relationship.

Well said!! Every word of it not only makes sense, but clearly defines what Clana was about. It never stood a chance and should have ended seasons ago.

[Jawth]

This episode was really bad, but they could clean the mess up pretty easily if the show gets renewed for a ninth season. Have the Clark/Lois reltionship slowly develop slowly (starting in a few episodes through the first half of S9) to the point where they are deeply in love, in a ADULT (read: sex without Lois dying in the process) and don't make each other miserable like Lana and Clark did. Bring Kristen back for a single episode in which it's revealed she got rid of the Green K poisoning, but have Clark.....brace for it......GET OVER HER AND SAY NO!!

[actaeon]

You're confusing angst (dread/anxiety/impending doom) with conflict (opposition between characters or forces in a work of drama or fiction), which does not have to be dreary, tearful or angst-ridden. It can actually be humorous, as is often the conflict between Clark and Lois. All drama has to have conflict, but angst is used either in the short term for melodramatic effect, or in the long term as a symptom of an irresolvable problem.
I couldn't have said it half as well myself. The conflict between Lois & Clark seems to bespeak love. The perpetual angst between Lana & Clark says "dead end" to me. I foresee a comedic resolution to this show, even if it's only implied, and that resolution is Lois and Clark.


I believe the characters when they say they love one another in the final scene. I believe that they believe it. I can believe that both Clark and Lana believe that they must remain stuck in this cycle of endless mutual misery that they mistake for love. This is why they had to be broken apart by external forces-- they're incapable of doing it on their own.

I also believe that Clark will sooner or later get over it. He'll grow up and discover that there is more to life and love than angst and misery. Adolescent love is often all about anguish and yearning and intense, improbable, slightly ludicrous extremes. The adult Clark may well decide, hey... why not simply be happy instead!

[Jor-Fer]

I couldn't have said it half as well myself. The conflict between Lois & Clark seems to bespeak love. The perpetual angst between Lana & Clark says "dead end" to me. I foresee a comedic resolution to this show, even if it's only implied, and that resolution is Lois and Clark.

I believe that they believe it. I can believe that both Clark and Lana believe that they must remain stuck in this cycle of endless mutual misery that they mistake for love. This is why they had to be broken apart by external forces-- they're incapable of doing it on their own.

I also believe that Clark will sooner or later get over it. He'll grow up and discover that there is more to life and love than angst and misery. Adolescent love is often all about anguish and yearning and intense, improbable, slightly ludicrous extremes. The adult Clark may well decide, hey... why not simply be happy instead!


So you know what their feelings are but they don´t.Very interesting.If Clark appears with a t-shirt in the next episode with the words "I love Lana" I´m sure that someone will find an argument to explain that he doesn´t.

I don´t understand what´s the problem to asume that AT THIS MOMENT Clark loves Lana and vice-versa.We all know that tomorrow he will fall in love with Lois.

They didn´t cheap Lois , is only that in Smallville Ít´s not the time.

[tbird4u]

Umm the problem is, is that in the next episode hes all ga ga over lois. And again according to other spoilers he is all ga ga over lois. S o how is the clark loves lana thing a problem? They cant move both arcs together! This season was about clois weather some people want to believe that or not. Did Laura vandervoort not say that they told her they didnt need her this season because they need to focus on lois and clark.. Ya know I do believe she did. The problem is that they had the perfect opertunity to give closure to clana, and they decided agaist that, and now the rest of the season they are going to build lois and clark... It just doesnt make any sense. The whole clana arc didnt make since...completley out of place with this season!! IMO!!

[snookie16]

They didn't cheapened Clois, they crapped on Clark.

Clark not be able to be with someone else but Lois is not even new, it's on the comics (Lori Lemaris). BUT Clark is back on step 1, the reason why he can't be with Lana is because the freaking Kryptonite. The EXACT same reason as the first episode of the entire show, the Pilot. Where is the growth?

I agree wth you one this, but you got to keep in mind from the time Lois was introduced into the show to now Lois was always going to be Clark's second choice. Even though a lot of people mentioned that Lana was not the one for him it was just an obession. Martha, Chloe, and even Lois pointed out that there was always someone better for him. The point I am getting at is that the way Smallville is played Lois was always going to be Clark's second choice.

[Inkpen23]

I agree wth you one this, but you got to keep in mind from the time Lois was introduced into the show to now Lois was always going to be Clark's second choice.

I actually disagree with this. Lois wouldn't be Clark's second choice had they shown Clark choosing Lois over Lana after Lois had expressed interest in Clark. By this time Clark was fully aware of Lois's feelings for him when he decided to give Clana another try after almost kissing Lois in Bride. Up until this point he had shown no interest in Lois and once Lana came on the scene he dropped Lois like a hot potato and went to Lana. Had they shown Clana ending mutually or had they shown Clark, himself, deciding to end Clana then Lois would not be Clark's second choice. However, because of the way TPTB ended the Clana relationship (through outside forces that had nothing to do with Clana's own doing) and because Clark deliberately CHOSE, I want to emphasize the word CHOSE here because some people don't want to acknowledge the fact that Clark CHOSE Lana over Lois when he had a choice between the two ladies unlike now where that choice is no longer available and he's FORCED to move on, Lois will forever, at least in Smallville, be Clark's second choice because he couldn't have Lana. Clark said so himself that he couldn't just fall out of love with Lana "like that", in which I agree with him and that's why it's not believable nor will it look good on Clark for him to be kissing Lois in the next episode Infamous after the heartache of what just transpired with Clana. If he wasn't over his ex in Bride then he shouldn't have made a move on Lois. Plain and simple, otherwise it looks like a massive rebound on his part. And I reject the notion that it always had to be that way because it didn't have to be that way, but the writers CHOSE to have it play out this way.

If TPTB had shown Clark making a decision to end Clana because he had recently discovered his new found feelings he had for Lois after almost kissing her in Bride or had Clana ended mutually then Lois wouldn't be Clark's backup girl.

If Clark had decided against responding to Lois's almost kiss in Bride and had told Lois that he wasn't over his ex "just yet" (Lana) and that he needed more time to sort out his feelings then it might be believable that Lois wouldn't be Clark's second choice even with Clana ending being forced apart from each other. But because the show presented a choice for Clark between the two ladies and he chose Lana over Lois then it will always be perceived, and rightfully so, that Lois will be second best for Clark because he couldn't have Lana and when he did have the option of choosing between Lana or Lois he chose Lana. Lois didn't have to be second choice for Clark, but she is.

[tbird4u]

Ugh, I disagree. Lois is not second choice because clark hasnt really sorted out his feelings for her. They creep up and it freaks him out.. hes scared, and confused. Lana was normal to him, something he was used to, and she knows his secret so that left him with ..well lana already knows and excepts. Hes affraid to try another relationship cause of the way the clana relationship played out, and because of his secret. He was angry in legion, questioning in bulletproof, angry then accepting in power and sad during requiem. Which by the way was left on a cliffhanger. Clark is very confused and when he finally has that moment of realization, it will just be what its suppose to be. He will always hold lana in a special place in his heart, and love lois eternally. Why should there be second choice anyway. Thats kinda dumb. People break up and move on and fall in love again all the time. My husband is not my second choice. Hes the choice. I dont understand why this concept is so hard to grasp!

[Watching Smallville]

I agree w you, tbird4u. I think Lois totally freaks out Clark -- he doesn't understand how he feels about her. Probably because he's been struggling with his dysfunctional worship of Lana for years and has convinced himself that this is what love feels like. I don't mean to be hard on the Clana, but that relationship thrives on unhappiness and confusion, and as the show puts it, "angst." That's not love.

It will be interesting to see how SV handles Clois from this point on. Lois is never going to be anyone's second choice. She has made that clear. And once Clark grows up a little bit more, he'll realize she isn't his second choice.

[InAFlash]

I actually disagree with this. Lois wouldn't be Clark's second choice had they shown Clark choosing Lois over Lana after Lois had expressed interest in Clark. By this time Clark was fully aware of Lois's feelings for him when he decided to give Clana another try after almost kissing Lois in Bride. Up until this point he had shown no interest in Lois and once Lana came on the scene he dropped Lois like a hot potato and went to Lana. Had they shown Clana ending mutually or had they shown Clark, himself, deciding to end Clana then Lois would not be Clark's second choice. However, because of the way TPTB ended the Clana relationship (through outside forces that had nothing to do with Clana's own doing) and because Clark deliberately CHOSE, I want to emphasize the word CHOSE here because some people don't want to acknowledge the fact that Clark CHOSE Lana over Lois when he had a choice between the two ladies unlike now where that choice is no longer available and he's FORCED to move on, Lois will forever, at least in Smallville, be Clark's second choice because he couldn't have Lana. Clark said so himself that he couldn't just fall out of love with Lana "like that", in which I agree with him and that's why it's not believable nor will it look good on Clark for him to be kissing Lois in the next episode Infamous after the heartache of what just transpired with Clana. If he wasn't over his ex in Bride then he shouldn't have made a move on Lois. Plain and simple, otherwise it looks like a massive rebound on his part. And I reject the notion that it always had to be that way because it didn't have to be that way, but the writers CHOSE to have it play out this way.

If TPTB had shown Clark making a decision to end Clana because he had recently discovered his new found feelings he had for Lois after almost kissing her in Bride or had Clana ended mutually then Lois wouldn't be Clark's backup girl.

If Clark had decided against responding to Lois's almost kiss in Bride and had told Lois that he wasn't over his ex "just yet" (Lana) and that he needed more time to sort out his feelings then it might be believable that Lois wouldn't be Clark's second choice even with Clana ending being forced apart from each other. But because the show presented a choice for Clark between the two ladies and he chose Lana over Lois then it will always be perceived, and rightfully so, that Lois will be second best for Clark because he couldn't have Lana and when he did have the option of choosing between Lana or Lois he chose Lana. Lois didn't have to be second choice for Clark, but she is.

Excellent post. I agree completely.

[InAFlash]

Ugh, I disagree. Lois is not second choice because clark hasnt really sorted out his feelings for her. They creep up and it freaks him out.. hes scared, and confused. Lana was normal to him, something he was used to, and she knows his secret so that left him with ..well lana already knows and excepts. Hes affraid to try another relationship cause of the way the clana relationship played out, and because of his secret. He was angry in legion, questioning in bulletproof, angry then accepting in power and sad during requiem. Which by the way was left on a cliffhanger. Clark is very confused and when he finally has that moment of realization, it will just be what its suppose to be. He will always hold lana in a special place in his heart, and love lois eternally. Why should there be second choice anyway. Thats kinda dumb. People break up and move on and fall in love again all the time. My husband is not my second choice. Hes the choice. I dont understand why this concept is so hard to grasp!

I'm happy that your husband is your first choice and that you're with the person that you truly love. But this story is not about you it's about Clark Kent and in this story(which is not the comic book story) we don't know if there will be a happy ending. The problem with this argument is that none of us truly know yet what the writers intentions are. The rest of this season and perhaps S9 will tell us this.

For now I choose to believe that the writers are showing us a tragedy about two people who truly love each other but can not be together because of fate. I don't know why writers do this. Maybe they missed out on being with their true love. The point is not all love stories have a happy ending and not everyone ends up with the love of their life.

For now I don't think we can assume this will happen. My guess is the writers will leave it somewhat open. He will be with Lois but will leave the audience wondering whether or not he loves Lana more. I don't think in the final episode Clark will say, "I love Lois more than I love Lana. The end."

[Inkpen23]

Ugh, I disagree. Lois is not second choice because clark hasnt really sorted out his feelings for her. They creep up and it freaks him out.. hes scared, and confused. Lana was normal to him, something he was used to, and she knows his secret so that left him with ..well lana already knows and excepts. Hes affraid to try another relationship cause of the way the clana relationship played out, and because of his secret. He was angry in legion, questioning in bulletproof, angry then accepting in power and sad during requiem. Which by the way was left on a cliffhanger. Clark is very confused and when he finally has that moment of realization, it will just be what its suppose to be. He will always hold lana in a special place in his heart, and love lois eternally. Why should there be second choice anyway. Thats kinda dumb. People break up and move on and fall in love again all the time. My husband is not my second choice. Hes the choice. I dont understand why this concept is so hard to grasp!

I disagree. If Clark was in the process of coming to terms with the feelings he had for Lois then he shouldn't have tried to kiss her in Bride because he was clearly interested in her then. That's not the behavior of a mature man or an adult and since many proclaim Clark is mature, manly, and adult like around Lois his behavior in this instance shows that not to be true. Clark wasn't scared or confused. Clark knew what he wanted and it wasn't Lois, it was Lana. When Lana wasn't an option for Clark he entertained the idea of something with Lois, but as soon as Lana walked back into his life he wanted to be with Lana. It's not about whether or not Clark has sorted out his feelings for Lois, I think he has otherwise he had no business trying to kiss Lois in Bride. It's about Clark CHOOSING to be with Lana when he became aware of Lois's feelings for him. I don't think Clark chose to be with Lana because she knew his secret or because she was familiar to him or because he was confused and scared about his developing feelings for Lois. Again, Clark wasn't confused at all, his actions weren't of a confused man. I didn't see Clark wrestle with the feelings he had for Lois over Lana. It was clear to me in Bulletproof that Clark wanted to be with Lana. Clark chose to be with Lana over Lois because Clark wanted to be with Lana, bottom-line. Period. You can try and twist it which ever way you want but that still won't make it true. If Clark really wants to be with someone he will pine after them and pursue them. I've yet to see Clark pine or pursue Lois in that way until Bride and even then when Lana came on the scene he dropped Lois like yesterdays news and went to Lana.

I would agree that people break up and move on all the time but that wasn't the case for Clana and Lois. Clana didn't break up because they wanted to end their relationship. They were forced apart from each other through outside circumstances at no fault of their own so it's not the same thing as a couple deciding to part ways and moving on from each other. Furthermore, that's not the reason why Lois is second choice for Clark. As, I've said before even if TPTB decided to end Clana being forced apart from each other, which they did, that wouldn't make Lois second choice because the Clana relationship died. It's just like losing a spouse through death, one can eventually move on but it's going to take time. That's not the reason Lois is second best. Lois is second choice for Clark because after becoming aware of Lois's feelings for him and that there might be something there between him and Lois he decides to go back with Lana after she broke up with him 7 months prior. And now that Lana is no longer an option for Clark he's back to entertaining the idea of something with Lois. The show clearly set-up a choice for Clark between the two ladies and when he couldn't have one over the other he chose the other. Period. That is what makes Lois second best for Clark not because of how Clana ended.

[Dominicus]

Well, no one knows what's going on in Clark's head, or what he feels or regards of Lois, he's been avoiding the issue for the most part. You can only go by his actions, and as far as actions go, Clark is not determined and does not know what he wants, he's been contradicting himself since I can remember. He is conflicted with himself at odds of who he should be, and who he wants to be, he is not mature at this point, he still searching for himself, growing.

Lana is all he knows, all he allowed himself to know building the image through a stalking circular sight seen through a telescope. That is obsession, infactuation. This is why the fantasy doesn't work for long when they are together, inventing petty conflicts with each other, creating road blocks on their own. And if it's a matter of choice, and seperation by fate, sorry, Alicia Baker gets first dibs. The metaphor for Clana is poison, poison from the beginning to end.

They were not forced apart, more so given the ultimate test of what they would endure and sacrifice for each other. Lana decided she couldn't handle the situation. And Clark reluctantly let her go, the end game is the same regardless of gutting emotions displayed, it was always the same result. When put to a challenge this couple fails. However, Lois and Clark have been tested, though not in the way most would think. How much could Lois endure of Clark's lusting over Lana for lack of a better word. Will she be there for him in the bitter end? The answer is yes, and we all know this despite it all. And the same with Clark, he was always there for Lois at her worst times.

[bennettbc2331]

Well, no one knows what's going on in Clark's head, or what he feels or regards of Lois, he's been avoiding the issue for the most part. You can only go by his actions, and as far as actions go, Clark is not determined and does not know what he wants, he's been contradicting himself since I can remember. He is conflicted with himself at odds of who he should be, and who he wants to be, he is not mature at this point, he still searching for himself, growing.

Lana is all he knows, all he allowed himself to know building the image through a stalking circular sight seen through a telescope. That is obsession, infactuation. This is why the fantasy doesn't work for look when they are together, inventing petty conflicts with each other, creating road blocks on their own. And if it's a matter of choice, and seperation by fate, sorry, Alicia Baker gets first dibs. The metaphor for Clana is poison, poison from the beginning to end. And the same with Clark, he was always there for Lois at her worst times.

They were not forced apart, more so given the ultimate test of what they would endure and sacrifice for each other. Lana decided she couldn't handle the situation. And Clark reluctantly let her go, the end game is the same regardless of emotions displayed, it was always the same result. When put to a challenge this couple fails. However, Lois and Clark have been tested, though not in the way most would think. How much could Lois endure of Clark's lusting over Lana for lack of a better word. Will she be there for him in the end? The answer is yes, and we all know this despite it all.

I agree

[InAFlash]

Lana is all he knows, all he allowed himself to know building the image through a stalking circular sight seen through a telescope. That is obsession, infactuation. This is why the fantasy doesn't work for long when they are together, inventing petty conflicts with each other, creating road blocks on their own. And if it's a matter of choice, and seperation by fate, sorry, Alicia Baker gets first dibs. The metaphor for Clana is poison, poison from the beginning to end.

I'm sorry but I'm not buying the Alicia Baker argument. I can only see a sliver of evidence that suggests she's the one Clark was meant for before fate intervened. They dated for one episode in S3 before Clark broke it off when she became overly obsessed with him, and even she was convinced that she could'nt be with Clark because of Lana who she tried to killed. Then in S4 when she could'nt convince Clark to leave Smallville she drugged him with red kryptonite leading to their sham of a marriage which was quickly annulled when Clark came to his senses. In the next episode they are dating and she dies. Clark was very emotional after she dies, but anyone would be if the girl they dated just died. To my knowledge he rarely if ever spoke about her after that.

As for Clana being poison, I could'nt disagree more. Nearly everthying that separates them is an outside force. Jor-El at the end of S2 when he forces Clark to face his destiny. Clark lying to Lana is his own personal choice but it is directly related to his abilities. This is something he has no control over and can not change. He lies to her to protect her from possible harm and also because he's not sure if he can be in a normal relationship with her. This of course keeps them apart until Lana learns the secret. Then Lionel forces them apart by blackmailing Lana into marrying Lex. After they're together in S7 Brainiac forces them apart by putting Lana into a coma. Tess and Lex's henchmen then keep them apart by forcing Lana to make the videotape. Finally, Lex's devious plan keeps them apart possibly for good.

Their relationship was never perfect but they clearly love each other and try to manifest that in their lives. Unfortunately for them it was'nt meant to be. I believe the writers are showing us a tragedy in regards to the relationship between Clark and Lana. Would you tell Shakespeare that Romeo and Juliet were not meant for each other? Because that's not the point of the story.

[Dyanara]

I hate the whole Romeo and Juliet as such a romantic story, I used to buy into that when I was a teenager but now Im in my 20's and I realize how stupid Romeo in particular was; kind like Clark is.
I also thought Alicia was better for Clark and if she hadn't died he would still be with her. So if we are using the Romeo and Juliet effect why couldn't it be used in terms of Clark and Alicia?

[snookie16]

I agree w you, tbird4u. I think Lois totally freaks out Clark -- he doesn't understand how he feels about her. Probably because he's been struggling with his dysfunctional worship of Lana for years and has convinced himself that this is what love feels like. I don't mean to be hard on the Clana, but that relationship thrives on unhappiness and confusion, and as the show puts it, "angst." That's not love.

It will be interesting to see how SV handles Clois from this point on. Lois is never going to be anyone's second choice. She has made that clear. And once Clark grows up a little bit more, he'll realize she isn't his second choice.

I agree with you on this because no girl does not want to be a mans second choice. I agree with you that the feelings for Lois freak him out.


I actually disagree with this. Lois wouldn't be Clark's second choice had they shown Clark choosing Lois over Lana after Lois had expressed interest in Clark. By this time Clark was fully aware of Lois's feelings for him when he decided to give Clana another try after almost kissing Lois in Bride. Up until this point he had shown no interest in Lois and once Lana came on the scene he dropped Lois like a hot potato and went to Lana. Had they shown Clana ending mutually or had they shown Clark, himself, deciding to end Clana then Lois would not be Clark's second choice. However, because of the way TPTB ended the Clana relationship (through outside forces that had nothing to do with Clana's own doing) and because Clark deliberately CHOSE, I want to emphasize the word CHOSE here because some people don't want to acknowledge the fact that Clark CHOSE Lana over Lois when he had a choice between the two ladies unlike now where that choice is no longer available and he's FORCED to move on, Lois will forever, at least in Smallville, be Clark's second choice because he couldn't have Lana. Clark said so himself that he couldn't just fall out of love with Lana "like that", in which I agree with him and that's why it's not believable nor will it look good on Clark for him to be kissing Lois in the next episode Infamous after the heartache of what just transpired with Clana. If he wasn't over his ex in Bride then he shouldn't have made a move on Lois. Plain and simple, otherwise it looks like a massive rebound on his part. And I reject the notion that it always had to be that way because it didn't have to be that way, but the writers CHOSE to have it play out this way.

If TPTB had shown Clark making a decision to end Clana because he had recently discovered his new found feelings he had for Lois after almost kissing her in Bride or had Clana ended mutually then Lois wouldn't be Clark's backup girl.

If Clark had decided against responding to Lois's almost kiss in Bride and had told Lois that he wasn't over his ex "just yet" (Lana) and that he needed more time to sort out his feelings then it might be believable that Lois wouldn't be Clark's second choice even with Clana ending being forced apart from each other. But because the show presented a choice for Clark between the two ladies and he chose Lana over Lois then it will always be perceived, and rightfully so, that Lois will be second best for Clark because he couldn't have Lana and when he did have the option of choosing between Lana or Lois he chose Lana. Lois didn't have to be second choice for Clark, but she is.

All I was trying is to say the show set it up as Lois being second chioce, but then again their are hints in the past that lead us to believe that she is not choice. Then again I was never a big Clana fan. Lana always seemed to me as weak and not a strong character to me. I see were you are coming from.


I disagree. If Clark was in the process of coming to terms with the feelings he had for Lois then he shouldn't have tried to kiss her in Bride because he was clearly interested in her then. That's not the behavior of a mature man or an adult and since many proclaim Clark is mature, manly, and adult like around Lois his behavior in this instance shows that not to be true. Clark wasn't scared or confused. Clark knew what he wanted and it wasn't Lois, it was Lana. When Lana wasn't an option for Clark he entertained the idea of something with Lois, but as soon as Lana walked back into his life he wanted to be with Lana. It's not about whether or not Clark has sorted out his feelings for Lois, I think he has otherwise he had no business trying to kiss Lois in Bride. It's about Clark CHOOSING to be with Lana when he became aware of Lois's feelings for him. I don't think Clark chose to be with Lana because she knew his secret or because she was familiar to him or because he was confused and scared about his developing feelings for Lois. Again, Clark wasn't confused at all, his actions weren't of a confused man. I didn't see Clark wrestle with the feelings he had for Lois over Lana. It was clear to me in Bulletproof that Clark wanted to be with Lana. Clark chose to be with Lana over Lois because Clark wanted to be with Lana, bottom-line. Period. You can try and twist it which ever way you want but that still won't make it true. If Clark really wants to be with someone he will pine after them and pursue them. I've yet to see Clark pine or pursue Lois in that way until Bride and even then when Lana came on the scene he dropped Lois like yesterdays news and went to Lana.

I would agree that people break up and move on all the time but that wasn't the case for Clana and Lois. Clana didn't break up because they wanted to end their relationship. They were forced apart from each other through outside circumstances at no fault of their own so it's not the same thing as a couple deciding to part ways and moving on from each other. Furthermore, that's not the reason why Lois is second choice for Clark. As, I've said before even if TPTB decided to end Clana being forced apart from each other, which they did, that wouldn't make Lois second choice because the Clana relationship died. It's just like losing a spouse through death, one can eventually move on but it's going to take time. That's not the reason Lois is second best. Lois is second choice for Clark because after becoming aware of Lois's feelings for him and that there might be something there between him and Lois he decides to go back with Lana after she broke up with him 7 months prior. And now that Lana is no longer an option for Clark he's back to entertaining the idea of something with Lois. The show clearly set-up a choice for Clark between the two ladies and when he couldn't have one over the other he chose the other. Period. That is what makes Lois second best for Clark not because of how Clana ended.

I totally absollutly agree with you. You hit the nail on the coffin. Clarks actions are not the actions of a mature man. Circumstances of the Clana saga was just outside sources and that resulted in unfinished business.

[Dominicus]

I'm sorry but I'm not buying the Alicia Baker argument. I can ose a sliver of evidence that suggests she's the one Clark was meant for before fate intervened. They dated for one episode in S3 before Clark broke it off when she became overly obsessed with him, and even she was convinced that she could'nt be with Clark because of Lana who she tried to killed. Then in S4 when she could'nt convince Clark to leave Smallville she drugged him with red kryptonite leading to their sham of a marriage which was quickly annulled when Clark came to his senses. In the next episode they are dating and she dies. Clark was very emotional after she dies, but anyone would be if the girl they dated just died. To my knowledge he rarely if ever spoke about her after that.

Okay that’s nice and all. But, one, it's not an argument. Two, if i wanted to debate I would've responded to you directly. I stated an observation, if you want to make a debate of it, whatever.

But that's your preference, and you ignore, rather refuse to see and accept what has already transpired. Keep writing, but you cannot rewrite the Alicia Baker story, or make less of it. Furthermore, each realtionship he has serves a purose in his growth. And Clark was with Alicia after the fact of Red-K, regardless if she previously tried to kill Lana.

Drugged him, lol convenient less we forget the dialog that went along with that, but I’ll refresh.

Clark: You drugged me.

Alicia: No, it's not -- I just didn't know what else to do because -- because I couldn't stay, and I couldn't leave without you, so I just -- just thought if you could listen to your heart instead of your head for once

Clark: You don't even see what you did was wrong. What's the matter with you?

Alicia: I just -- Clark, you could've hooked up with any girl you wanted, and you chose me. Why do you think that is?

Clark: You dosed me with red kryptonite. It makes me do things I don't want to do.

Alicia: No! I don't think that rock forces you to do anything! Maybe it dampens your inhibitions, but... Clark Kent got himself into this situation, okay? Clark Kent asked me to marry him. Clark Kent brought me up to this hotel to make love to me.

Red kryptonite does not force him to do anything he didn’t already desire. Like with crimson when he went to Lana, no one is knocking that saying. "Oh, but he was RedK infected", those are still his hidden emotions exposed. Red-Krypto-courage. All Red-K does is cause Clark to act, losing his inhibitions. That topic was brought up in several episodes involving Red-K, including, Crimson. In S4 Unsafe Clark admitted to having those feelings, reagrdless of Red-K influence. Not to mention he wanted to marry, correction he did marry Alicia under this influence. It was his idea.

And not even his mother believed that the blame goes entirely on Red-K, sparking this conversation:

Martha: I'm upset. More than that, I'm disappointed.

Clark: I was on red kryptonite, mom.

Martha: My god, you ran off with a girl you barely know and got married.

Clark: It wasn't legal.

Martha: That's not even the point. Marriage is sacred, Clark. It's about two people who trust each other and are willing to go through life together, no matter how difficult it gets. I thought we had taught you that. You're an amazing young man, Clark. You make life and death decisions every day. But then you turn around and -- and you do this. Why did you do it?

Clark: Mom, there's a part of me that never feels freer than when I'm with Alicia. She makes me feel normal and special at the same time.

There is a validity to your rant. Alicia Baker happened, not once, but twice in different seasons in Clark's life. It doesn’t matter the cause, it is the effect. Here’s bonus pariah dialog...

Clark: You killed Alicia. I loved her, and you took that away from me. You killed her! All she wanted was a chance.

Lois: Clark! Stop!

Clark: You killed her.

You took her away from me, says it all, in his own words. Conflict with Alicia resolved in death. Looks like Lana to me, he loved her and they were separate by force.

Anything you say against that is your own personal want. You can't just wipe her away because she discredits or cheapens your belief, it is because of her, Clark wanted an equal partner, this was also discussed more elaborately in the episode.

Lana dumped Clark came back in bride, dated for a day then were again separate by fate. Same scenario. The only difference is that there relationship was always unresolved. Alicia Baker, was made easier by death for Clark and Lana, had Alicia lived, who knows what would’ve happened, but clearly her loved and desired her. But since she is deceased, he can only move on to the living. Or do you prefer a necrophiliac for a super hero.


That's the deal, he's not supposed to be fated to anyone but Lois, and that's the way it is. Any other relationship seems to end in tragedy, beating a dead horse at the point.


As for Clana being poison, I could'nt disagree more.

Of course, you have an obvious invested interest. Any writer or an objective viewer can see Requiem ties to the kryptonite neckless in Season 1, the reflection of the past, all things brought in past came forth in Requiem, everything that was holding him back in the past.

Reminding everyone of the unhealthy relationship, Lana killing herself because Clark dumped her comes to mind, the same ending, is the beginning, poison from the start, mentally and physically draining. You can rationalize and come up with scenarios that depict your view, but it's meaningless, it doesn't change the outcome or what the writers have clearly showed, connected. The show is entirely based on fate, and Destiny is the theme. Connections are detailed, some obvious, some not so apparent.

This coincides the purpose of the journey, there are no coincidences. With Clark and Lana there was pain, literally making each other sick with love, stifling growth.

Metaphorically, they were a poison to each other, most of the time inventing their own sickness with mistrust, weak constitution, insecurities, arrogance, thoughtlessness, and resentment issues. Goes to old saying "stay away from that girl, she’s poison."

Human kryptonite, they regress when together, progress when apart. It doesn't matter if you agree, or don't. That’s what happened, pointless to talk around it. Everything else is just rhetoric. I have no obligation to consider, or put any faith in a sob story where Lana couldn't tell Clark from Bizarro. That right there signified weakness IMO. That their love was an image love, a facade, the deep connection anyone believed they had was severed at that moment. And really made Clark looked battered and weak. Appearing to have no self-respect, or conviction, holding no accountability, and blaming himself. However, it was siginificant, he was weak around her, it was an emotionally abusive relationship, his kryptonite, literal and metaphorical. And it is now his-story, history.

[abbaspice1]

Okay that’s nice and all. But, one, it's not an argument. Two, if i wanted to debate I would've responded to you directly. I stated an observation, if you want to make a debate of it, whatever.

But that's your preference, and you ignore, rather refuse to see and accept what has already transpired. Keep writing, but you cannot rewrite the Alicia Baker story, or make less of it. Furthermore, each realtionship he has serves a purose in his growth. And Clark was with Alicia after the fact of Red-K, regardless if she previously tried to kill Lana.

Drugged him, lol convenient less we forget the dialog that went along with that, but I’ll refresh.

Clark: You drugged me.

Alicia: No, it's not -- I just didn't know what else to do because -- because I couldn't stay, and I couldn't leave without you, so I just -- just thought if you could listen to your heart instead of your head for once

Clark: You don't even see what you did was wrong. What's the matter with you?

Alicia: I just -- Clark, you could've hooked up with any girl you wanted, and you chose me. Why do you think that is?

Clark: You dosed me with red kryptonite. It makes me do things I don't want to do.

Alicia: No! I don't think that rock forces you to do anything! Maybe it dampens your inhibitions, but... Clark Kent got himself into this situation, okay? Clark Kent asked me to marry him. Clark Kent brought me up to this hotel to make love to me.

Red kryptonite does not force him to do anything he didn’t already desire. Like with crimson when he went to Lana, no one is knocking that saying. "Oh, but he was RedK infected", those are still his hidden emotions exposed. Red-Krypto-courage. All Red-K does is cause Clark to act, losing his inhibitions. That topic was brought up in several episodes involving Red-K, including, Crimson. In S4 Unsafe Clark admitted to having those feelings, reagrdless of Red-K influence. Not to mention he wanted to marry, correction he did marry Alicia under this influence. It was his idea.

And not even his mother believed that the blame goes entirely on Red-K, sparking this conversation:

Martha: I'm upset. More than that, I'm disappointed.

Clark: I was on red kryptonite, mom.

Martha: My god, you ran off with a girl you barely know and got married.

Clark: It wasn't legal.

Martha: That's not even the point. Marriage is sacred, Clark. It's about two people who trust each other and are willing to go through life together, no matter how difficult it gets. I thought we had taught you that. You're an amazing young man, Clark. You make life and death decisions every day. But then you turn around and -- and you do this. Why did you do it?

Clark: Mom, there's a part of me that never feels freer than when I'm with Alicia. She makes me feel normal and special at the same time.

There is a validity to your rant. Alicia Baker happened, not once, but twice in different seasons in Clark's life. It doesn’t matter the cause, it is the effect. Here’s bonus pariah dialog...

Clark: You killed Alicia. I loved her, and you took that away from me. You killed her! All she wanted was a chance.

Lois: Clark! Stop!

Clark: You killed her.

You took her away from me, says it all, in his own words. Conflict with Alicia resolved in death. Looks like Lana to me, he loved her and they were separate by force.

Anything you say against that is your own personal want. You can't just wipe her away because she discredits or cheapens your belief, it is because of her, Clark wanted an equal partner, this was also discussed more elaborately in the episode.

Lana dumped Clark came back in bride, dated for a day then were again separate by fate. Same scenario. The only difference is that there relationship was always unresolved. Alicia Baker, was made easier by death for Clark and Lana, had Alicia lived, who knows what would’ve happened, but clearly her loved and desired her. But since she is deceased, he can only move on to the living. Or do you prefer a necrophiliac for a super hero.


That's the deal, he's not supposed to be fated to anyone but Lois, and that's the way it is. Any other relationship seems to end in tragedy, beating a dead horse at the point.



Of course, you have an obvious invested interest. Any writer or an objective viewer can see Requiem ties to the kryptonite neckless in Season 1, the reflection of the past, all things brought in past came forth in Requiem, everything that was holding him back in the past.

Reminding everyone of the unhealthy relationship, Lana killing herself because Clark dumped her comes to mind, the same ending, is the beginning, poison from the start, mentally and physically draining. You can rationalize and come up with scenarios that depict your view, but it's meaningless, it doesn't change the outcome or what the writers have clearly showed, connected. The show is entirely based on fate, and Destiny is the theme. Connections are detailed, some obvious, some not so apparent.

This coincides the purpose of the journey, there are no coincidences. With Clark and Lana there was pain, literally making each other sick with love, stifling growth.

Metaphorically, they were a poison to each other, most of the time inventing their own sickness with mistrust, weak constitution, insecurities, arrogance, thoughtlessness, and resentment issues. Goes to old saying "stay away from that girl, she’s poison."

Human kryptonite, they regress when together, progress when apart. It doesn't matter if you agree, or don't. That’s what happened, pointless to talk around it. Everything else is just rhetoric. I have no obligation to consider, or put any faith in a sob story where Lana couldn't tell Clark from Bizarro. That right there signified weakness IMO. That their love was an image love, a facade, the deep connection anyone believed they had was severed at that moment. And really made Clark looked battered and weak. Appearing to have no self-respect, or conviction, holding no accountability, and blaming himself. However, it was siginificant, he was weak around her, it was an emotionally abusive relationship, his kryptonite, literal and metaphorical. And it is now his-story, history.

EXCELLENT! Thank you for the post!

[InAFlash]

Hey Dominicus, thank you for responding to my post. First of all let me say that your post is excellent. I hope you don't feel as though I was attacking you personally because I was not. I was simply pointing out that I disagree when you say that Clark was fated to be with Alicia Baker. I also gave evidence as to why I don't believe this is true. I've stated in other forums that there are arguments to be made that Clark's one true love is any one of these four women: Kyla Willowbrook, Alicia Baker, Lana Lang, or Lois Lane. You did a great job of attempting to convince me and others that it COULD be Alicia Baker and I commend you for this (I realize that you believe his true love is Lois and that you were just making a point). However, I believe that most of the evidence suggests that Lana Lang is Clark's one true love. I listed them in some of my other posts and I won't list them again. Anyone who wants to see them can check some of my other posts.



Anything you say against that is your own personal want. You can't just wipe her away because she discredits or cheapens your belief, it is because of her, Clark wanted an equal partner, this was also discussed more elaborately in the episode.

Okay you are correct and I'm sorry for trying to say that Alicia was not that important to Clark. He did indeed love her dearly and this was an important relationship in his development. However, my belief is that he loved Lana more. He loved her before he loved Alicia and he loved her after she was gone. His love for Lana has been a constant theme of this show from S1 into S8. To my knowledge, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, he's only made love to one woman in this show -- Lana Lang. In S5 when he lost his abilities and in "Wrath" and "Requiem".


Of course, you have an obvious invested interest. Any writer or an objective viewer can see Requiem ties to the kryptonite neckless in Season 1, the reflection of the past, all things brought in past came forth in Requiem, everything that was holding him back in the past.

Reminding everyone of the unhealthy relationship, Lana killing herself because Clark dumped her comes to mind, the same ending, is the beginning, poison from the start, mentally and physically draining. You can rationalize and come up with scenarios that depict your view, but it's meaningless, it doesn't change the outcome or what the writers have clearly showed, connected. The show is entirely based on fate, and Destiny is the theme. Connections are detailed, some obvious, some not so apparent.

This coincides the purpose of the journey, there are no coincidences. With Clark and Lana there was pain, literally making each other sick with love, stifling growth.

Metaphorically, they were a poison to each other, most of the time inventing their own sickness with mistrust, weak constitution, insecurities, arrogance, thoughtlessness, and resentment issues. Goes to old saying "stay away from that girl, she’s poison."

Human kryptonite, they regress when together, progress when apart. It doesn't matter if you agree, or don't. That’s what happened, pointless to talk around it. Everything else is just rhetoric.

An extremely valid point of view. I believe Timester has mentioned the idea that the show has come full circle. In fact it's quite obvious to any viewer that's what the writers are doing here (the necklace is a clue). However, when you say that the writers are emphasizing how "poisonous" this relationship is, I disagree. That to me is your OPINION. While I respect your opinion here and enjoy reading your posts I simply disagree. We're all going to bring are own personal beliefs and experiences to any story we might read or watch and try and interpret what the writers are saying. Nobody has the right answer but that's the fun in discussing great literature, poetry, movies, or TV shows.

For the record here's mine: I believe certain stories such as Romeo And Juliet and The West Side Story were written as tragedies for a reason. The characters in these stories truly love each other but that love does not manifest itself in realty. For me these writers felt that the greatest love between two people was not meant to manifest itself on Earth. Why? I believe because it's embedded in the consciousness of so many that true love ultimately fails. I realize this sounds like a negative view on love but I believe it's a realistic one. IMO if everyone was with their one true love the world would be a much better place than it is now. In watching "Requiem" I saw two people who had matured to the point where they were ready to be in a wonderful loving relationship together. They truly loved each other only to encounter one more obstacle to them manifesting that love in reality. For me the kryptonite symbolizes separation of two people who truly love one another. This is the tragedy -- that true love fails on Earth (at least at this moment in time). We all want to believe in a happy ending, including me, but some writers do not choose this.

This is my OPINION. This is how I watch the show. You can disagree with me but please don't discount my opinion or how I wish to see this show. I don't think anyone can presume to know definitively what the writers are saying until the show ends and even then that may not be possible.

And for the record the story of Superman is not a documentary of a real person. I realize that it's "his-story", but the story does'nt always have to end the same way. DC Comics could hypothetically allow a different version of the story to be told where Clark Kent loves Lana Lang. Whether or not someone likes it is up to them. If Smallville decides to go in this direction the story won't be any LESS true than previous versions of the story. They're all fictional accounts.

[Inkpen23]

Okay you are correct and I'm sorry for trying to say that Alicia was not that important to Clark. He did indeed love her dearly and this was an important relationship in his development. However, my belief is that he loved Lana more. He loved her before he loved Alicia and he loved her after she was gone. His love for Lana has been a constant theme of this show from S1 into S8.

He also told Lana in Seasons' 5 "Mortal" when discussing his first time that she was the only one he ever really loved. "It's only been you Lana.", he said. And that was after Lana questioned him about his relationship with Alicia. Lana wanted to know if he and Alicia had done "it" and he said, "No, you're the only one I've ever really loved.", so that right there negates anything he said or did with Alicia because it was clear that Lana was the only one Clark has ever really wanted to be with in this show.

That didn't change this season when Lois started batting her eyes at Clark. He still wanted to be with Lana even after Lois expressed interest in him and after Lana broke up with him 7 months prior. Lana was completely out of the picture and Clark still wanted to be with her. Heck, I even think what he did to Lois is more of an insult than what he did to Chloe. At least, in Devoted he let Chloe down gently. He was respectful and sensitive to Chloe's feelings for him but he didn't lead Chloe on. He let her down gently but left the door open to the possibility of something happening between them in the future but he made it clear he wasn't interested in her at the time. With Lois he lead her on. Probably because he felt lonely, he had just lost his best friend to her new husband. He needed a warm body and Lois was there. But when Lana came back he dropped Lois like a hot potato and had bed breaking sex with Lana three episodes later.

And people are still trying to convince themselves that he was confused and didn't know what he wanted? Really? :lol:

That to me is a bigger slap in the face than Clark turning down Chloe in Devoted. At least he didn't go have bed breaking sex with Lana three episodes later. :rotfl:

This was after he almost kissed Lois. After Lois' confession of LOVE. After Lois flirted with him. After Lois googly eyed him. After Lois flaunted her body in front of him in an attempt to seduce him to get him to see what he had been "missing". After all of that he still wanted to be with Lana. What an insult.

[actaeon]

And people are still trying to convince themselves that he was confused and didn't know what he wanted?I don't have to try to convince myself. The show has convinced me, for eight long seasons, that Clark is hopeless when it comes to matters of the heart. Something that was just confirmed yet again a couple of episodes ago, when Chloe told him, regarding the Lana/Clark/Lois triangle, that his involvement with Lois really was "that obvious". As proved by Clark's dumbfounded look, it's obvious to everyone but Clark.

Clark doesn't know what he wants. That's how he managed to lead Chloe along for years, even though he apparently never had any real romantic feelings for her, cruelly trampling on her feelings all that time. Making her one of the "points in the triangle". He didn't do it because he's mean; he did it because he's oblivious.

He's still oblivious. Only now it's Lois' turn.

So yes, Clark was fully capable of dropping Lois for one last whack at Lana. And being utterly surprised if Lois is hurt or angry when she comes back. "Wha... what did I do?" is the response I expect from him. Because that's the way he has always been.

He said it himself, to Chloe: he didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings. He never does. Because he's oblivious.

"Out of sight, out of mind" is Clark's watchword. Pete is his best friend; Pete is out of the picture for a week, and he's forgotten all about Pete. Same for Alicia. And it'll be the same with Lois and Lana. Lois was in Star City for a couple of weeks, and Lana's underfoot, so he's madly in love with Lana. It doesn't mean a thing. It's just Clark being Clark.

[LuthorKent90]

I don't see him as going after Lois to begin with.
She was the one clearly showing her feelings for him, and opening up to Oliver.

[SVrnFAN]

I do not see how what happened with Lana could cheapen Clois. On Smallville there is no Clois - it is Clark and Lana. And the way that they ended this relationship was perfect - full circle. It was great writing on the part of the show!

This episode had nothing to do with the iconic Lois and Clark - it was all Lana and Clark, just as it should be. As much as I did not like them as a couple, they were "the couple" of the show and their relationship deserved a great ending - and they got it. I would think that this episode would cement that Smallville does not follow truthfully to the mythos - and that is why I have enjoyed it the last 8 years. :D

[InAFlash]

He also told Lana in Seasons' 5 "Mortal" when discussing his first time that she was the only one he ever really loved. "It's only been you Lana.", he said. And that was after Lana questioned him about his relationship with Alicia. Lana wanted to know if he and Alicia had done "it" and he said, "No, you're the only one I've ever really loved.", so that right there negates anything he said or did with Alicia because it was clear that Lana was the only one Clark has ever really wanted to be with in this show.

That didn't change this season when Lois started batting her eyes at Clark. He still wanted to be with Lana even after Lois expressed interest in him and after Lana broke up with him 7 months prior. Lana was completely out of the picture and Clark still wanted to be with her. Heck, I even think what he did to Lois is more of an insult than what he did to Chloe. At least, in Devoted he let Chloe down gently. He was respectful and sensitive to Chloe's feelings for him but he didn't lead Chloe on. He let her down gently but left the door open to the possibility of something happening between them in the future but he made it clear he wasn't interested in her at the time. With Lois he lead her on. Probably because he felt lonely, he had just lost his best friend to her new husband. He needed a warm body and Lois was there. But when Lana came back he dropped Lois like a hot potato and had bed breaking sex with Lana three episodes later.

And people are still trying to convince themselves that he was confused and didn't know what he wanted? Really? :lol:

That to me is a bigger slap in the face than Clark turning down Chloe in Devoted. At least he didn't go have bed breaking sex with Lana three episodes later. :rotfl:

This was after he almost kissed Lois. After Lois' confession of LOVE. After Lois flirted with him. After Lois googly eyed him. After Lois flaunted her body in front of him in an attempt to seduce him to get him to see what he had been "missing". After all of that he still wanted to be with Lana. What an insult.

Another great post Inkpen23. I had forgotten what he had said to Lana in "Mortal". Thanks for reminding me.


one last whack at Lana

I like this.


"Out of sight, out of mind" is Clark's watchword. Pete is his best friend; Pete is out of the picture for a week, and he's forgotten all about Pete. Same for Alicia. And it'll be the same with Lois and Lana. Lois was in Star City for a couple of weeks, and Lana's underfoot, so he's madly in love with Lana. It doesn't mean a thing. It's just Clark being Clark.

I have to agree here. Clark is real good at forgetting the important people in his life. I realize that Annette O'Toole may not be available for guest appearances but can Clark at least mention the fact that he still has a mother. And as much as I believe Clark loves Lana I don't think we will hear her mentioned much unless KK returns.

[Dominicus]

He also told Lana in Seasons' 5 "Mortal" when discussing his first time that she was the only one he ever really loved. "It's only been you Lana.", he said. And that was after Lana questioned him about his relationship with Alicia. Lana wanted to know if he and Alicia had done "it" and he said, "No, you're the only one I've ever really loved.", so that right there negates anything he said or did with Alicia because it was clear that Lana was the only one Clark has ever really wanted to be with in this show. Actually, it doesn't. All that says is that Clark contradicts himself. So lets see who he was he being more truthful with.

Because, he also said he loved Alicia when there was no point to say it, and another which red K helped to bring it out of him. This shows the Clark was reluctant to reveal any emotions toward Alicia willingly, and had to be done under extreme conditions. When he thought Lana had died he never reached the peak of rage quite like he did with Alicia. However, with Lana there's a purpose of assurance, to secure a future. This doesn't mean he was being completely honest with her, for he has lied to her day one. Now if he gets with Lois, and says. "All this time, I thought Lana was the one ect; would you find it easy to dismiss Lana?" Because he will no doubt say something along those lines in the future. Alicia was taken from him before they had a chance. Watch the ending and see his regret in Pariah. He did love Alicia. And the key word is after. Alicia is dead, conflict resolved, he no longer could focuses on that relationship, because it was finalized. He can say anything he wants at this point, there is no return of Alicia, but you have to regard his actions.

Clark also has been known to lie to himself, and convince himself of such things. Which was also illustrated in Unsafe and Pariah. Meaning the psycho chick tried to kill Lana and he married and dated her anyway, after the fact. This is the reality. Clark is fickle, and when a new love comes around the others that came before mean nothing. And if you found it easy to write Alicia off, then Cloisers will have no problem when the same happens to Lana.

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I don't have to try to convince myself. The show has convinced me, for eight long seasons, that Clark is hopeless when it comes to matters of the heart. Something that was just confirmed yet again a couple of episodes ago, when Chloe told him, regarding the Lana/Clark/Lois triangle, that his involvement with Lois really was "that obvious". As proved by Clark's dumbfounded look, it's obvious to everyone but Clark.

Clark doesn't know what he wants. That's how he managed to lead Chloe along for years, even though he apparently never had any real romantic feelings for her, cruelly trampling on her feelings all that time. Making her one of the "points in the triangle". He didn't do it because he's mean; he did it because he's oblivious.

He's still oblivious. Only now it's Lois' turn.

So yes, Clark was fully capable of dropping Lois for one last whack at Lana. And being utterly surprised if Lois is hurt or angry when she comes back. "Wha... what did I do?" is the response I expect from him. Because that's the way he has always been.

He said it himself, to Chloe: he didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings. He never does. Because he's oblivious.

"Out of sight, out of mind" is Clark's watchword. Pete is his best friend; Pete is out of the picture for a week, and he's forgotten all about Pete. Same for Alicia. And it'll be the same with Lois and Lana. Lois was in Star City for a couple of weeks, and Lana's underfoot, so he's madly in love with Lana. It doesn't mean a thing. It's just Clark being Clark.
ITA Great post, didn't see this before.

[InAFlash]

Actually, it doesn't. All that says is that Clark contradicts himself. So lets see who he was he being more truthful with.

Because, he also said he loved Alicia when there was no point to say it, and another which red K helped to bring it out of him. This shows the Clark was reluctant to reveal any emotions toward Alicia willingly, and had to be done under extreme conditions.

I don't believe that Clark's actions while on Red-K can tell us what his true intentions are in any situation, because I don't think anyone can tell accurately what the effects of Red-K are on him. Here's some dialogue from "Unsafe":

Alicia: No! I don't think that rock forces you to do anything! Maybe it dampens your inhibitions, but... Clark Kent got himself into this situation, okay? Clark Kent asked me to marry him. Clark Kent brought me up to this hotel to make love to me.

And from "Crimson":

Clark: Mom, you don't think I really meant those things I said about you and Chloe?

Martha: I think there was a grain of truth in all of it. Every time you've been affected by red Kryptonite, it hasn't changed who you are. It's just stripped away your inhibitions. I think you need to start being more honest about how you feel.

These characters seem to suggest that they know what happens to Clark while on Red-K. Apparently Red-K just strips away his inhibitions so that he can do what he truly desires. If we are to take what these characters are saying as true then Clark has some explaining to do because he has done some horrible things while on Red-K. He's robbed banks and ATMs. He's destroyed property (ATMs and police cruiser in "Exile"). He's threatened peoples lives and put the fear of God in so many I can't count. If we are to believe that Red-K just dampens his inhibitions then Clark Kent apparently has a desire to do harm to his father. In "Red" he pushes him into the truck's door and in "Exile" before he knew that Jonathon had his abilities he threw him across the room into a wall. If Red-K has only this effect on him and Clark has such a high moral code why has'nt he turned himself in for his crimes. Should somebody on drugs get away with robbing a bank? With all the crititcism leveled at Lana for all her past mistakes I'm surprised Clark gets off so easily on these boards if Red-K just dampens his inhibitions.

The point I'm trying to make is Red-K makes him do things that he does'nt want to do as Clark himself stated. He did'nt want to rob those banks or bring harm to anyone including his father. He did'nt want to marry Alicia. He did'nt even want to express his feelings for Lois or Lana in Crimson the way he did. I don't think Clark should go to jail because he was'nt in his right mind. He was influenced by something out of his control -- something evil.

Personally, I would'nt use Clark's actions while on Red-K to show what his intentions are. So while he loved Alicia I don't feel that love was close to what he feels for Lana. I checked the dialogue and I can't find one place where he tells Alicia face to face that he loves her but I may have missed something. He does say that he loved her once after she dies.


When he thought Lana had died he never reached the peak of rage quite like he did with Alicia.

You are right about this when Lana dies he was more devasted than enraged. After Lana dies in "Reckoning" he goes to the FOS to beg Jor-El to give her back to him. Jor-El offers him the crystal which can turn back time but tells him to decide carefully because " the tide of fate is impossible to stop". Clark barely blinks before deciding to save Lana. Does this reaction indicate that he loves Lana less than he loved Alicia?


Clark is fickle, and when a new love comes around the others that came before mean nothing. And if you found it easy to write Alicia off, then Cloisers will have no problem when the same happens to Lana.


I agree with you here because TPTB will try to keep their show on the air as long as possible. They have certainly made us forget characters who have left the show in the past. I still have a hard time imagining that Clois will be as stong a bond as Clana, but we'll see.

[Malorie]

We do know what RedK does, it lowers his inhibitions. RedK cannot create what isn't there. So RedK would not make Clark marry Alicia if some part of him didn't want to do it. Clark would have never married Alicia unless a part of him felt a special connection to her, which he obviously felt.

[InAFlash]

We do know what RedK does, it lowers his inhibitions. RedK cannot create what isn't there. So RedK would not make Clark marry Alicia if some part of him didn't want to do it. Clark would have never married Alicia unless a part of him felt a special connection to her, which he obviously felt.

Please reread my post. We can't say with accuracy what Red-K does to Clark. Do you trust what Martha or Alicia believe it does to him? Or do you believe Clark when he says it makes me do things I don't want to do? If we are to assume that it just lowers his inhibitions then this opens up a whole new can of worms. You then have to explain away all of Clark's past actions while on Red-K and still make him look like the hero of the story.

I honestly don't know what happens to Clark when he's on Red-K. I believe he turns evil but I don't know for sure. He's acted so unpredictably while on Red-K that I don't think anyone can accurately determine what his intentions are. That's why I personally would not base any discussion of Clark's intentions on what he was doing while on Red-K. You're of course free to do this but IMO it does'nt strengthen your point.

[tj_powers]

this show was based on the superman mythos prior to him putting on the tights. and thus far, they tried to follow their own ides instead of copying the comics all the time. So whatever happens with Lois and Clark might be entirely different than what actually occurs in the comics. So we never know what is coming and I for one would rather let it continue to hang on the cliff than make it happen right away. They are considering a 9th season... I dont want the 9th season to eb all about the adventures of Lois and Clark... we all remember last time THAT happened!

[Dominicus]

Please reread my post. We can't say with accuracy what Red-K does to Clark. Do you trust what Martha or Alicia believe it does to him? Or do you believe Clark when he says it makes me do things I don't want to do? If we are to assume that it just lowers his inhibitions then this opens up a whole new can of worms. You then have to explain away all of Clark's past actions while on Red-K and still make him look like the hero of the story.

I honestly don't know what happens to Clark when he's on Red-K. I believe he turns evil but I don't know for sure. He's acted so unpredictably while on Red-K that I don't think anyone can accurately determine what his intentions are. That's why I personally would not base any discussion of Clark's intentions on what he was doing while on Red-K. You're of course free to do this but IMO it does'nt strengthen your point.Actually it strengthens the point. There's no is validation denying what has already transpired. This is the definition or Red kryptonite on Smallville.

On the TV series Smallville (http://www.kryptonsite.com/wiki/Smallville_(TV_series)), red kryptonite has a drug-like effect, causing severe changes in Clark Kent's personality. Under this influence, Clark loses his inhibitions, becoming unpredictable and acting purely on erotic and selfish emotions. Smallville red kryptonite requires close contact with skin to be effective.

This kind of mental Red-K effect was adapted from LnC. The comic version had more bizzare effects.

There's no suggestion, these are Clark's true feelings, for a human they would call it liquid courage. He acts out, instead of bottling the emotions inside. The only reason to discount what has already been said and determinded is purely out of inability to seperate from a ship. Clark under Red-K went to Lana, we all know he wasn't over Lana. Red K initiated his hidden emotions. And when Martha made the observation, he did not deny it, same after he tried that with Alicia. Clark doesn't want to believe he thinks like that, but he does when he has no restraint. He wanted to remove the burden of responcibility, but Martha made him realize that he has that burden. Hydro it was proven thet he liked kissing with Lois, follow-up with crimson. Why he also haa the will to go after Lana. These are significant indicators of control of what he desires.

And opinion is one thing, but not over what is officially known, that is called being in denial and Calrk was also at some point until set in the right direction.

So, to answer your question, do I put faith in Martha's obeservation, absolutely. She knows her son better then anyone, and she's never been wrong. For that matter, she has evidence to back it up. And so do the viewers. Clark owned up to it as well, and his lingering feelings for Lana.

Clark is a superman in training, most don't consider him a big hero at this point because he is still maturing.

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I dont want the 9th season to eb all about the adventures of Lois and Clark... we all remember last time THAT happened!
Nothing, the show wasn't picked up because of ABC new direction. The ratings were in good standing and they had plans for a 5th and 6th season, even promoted, and confirmed it. However mid-summer it was abruptly cancelled. Which is why that last episode was so odd, because it was supposed to be explained in the 5th season. This also happened with the incredible Hulk series who were cut before their prime. Political reasonings, not for ratings, they both were in good-standing and had potential plots they were going to introduce. The romance was never the problem of LnC, that was the theme and that's what people tuned in for. However, the first-season was on point to the comic, however season2 they drastically changed everything including the actors, killing Lex was the mistake, cutting Hatcher's hair was another and just silly bad story-telling. Like the Delta Berk wedding crasher, just a mediocre episode. But the romance alone is what kept viewers coming back.

But agreed, season 9 should have a fair balance, also with the JLA should get more exposure.

[tj_powers]

But agreed, season 9 should have a fair balance, also with the JLA should get more exposure.

I don't even understand why they haven't given more exposure to the JLA to begin with. Instead they brought in future Leaguers with a really stretching as to why they went there to begin with. I think this season would have been about everyone teaming up to fight crime all over the place. But they decided to have Lana leave... Kara leave... the future leaguers go back to the future... and the JLA disband on episode 1 because "to cool off the trails". I think TPTB wanted to X the idea of the JLA on Smallville to keep the focus on CK which is a good thing, but its getting rid of much needed star power to the show. I think its time they bring in more known faces back once in a while to help out... like Pete Ross or Martha Kent at some point to help out with the story. I mean, even for Chloe's wedding... they didnt even bring back her dad who was not killed off... or Senator Kent who is a friend of Chloe as well. If they go for another season, seriously, they need more returning faces to keep it enjoyable!

[Dominicus]

I don't even understand why they haven't given more exposure to the JLA to begin with. Instead they brought in future Leaguers with a really stretching as to why they went there to begin with. I think this season would have been about everyone teaming up to fight crime all over the place. But they decided to have Lana leave... Kara leave... the future leaguers go back to the future... and the JLA disband on episode 1 because "to cool off the trails". I think TPTB wanted to X the idea of the JLA on Smallville to keep the focus on CK which is a good thing, but its getting rid of much needed star power to the show. I think its time they bring in more known faces back once in a while to help out... like Pete Ross or Martha Kent at some point to help out with the story. I mean, even for Chloe's wedding... they didnt even bring back her dad who was not killed off... or Senator Kent who is a friend of Chloe as well. If they go for another season, seriously, they need more returning faces to keep it enjoyable!ITA! How can you not have Martha Kent? But yeah, it's totally lacking with familiar faces, at least bring Kara back. I think they have budget issues, or they're saving thing else for the next season. And I though we were going to get more JLA action, well we got some Legion tease, that about it. The rest of the season doesn't look promising on that aspect. Hopefully next season they'll incorporate more JLA. But I think they're builidng it up, Lana and Zatanna, comicbook recruits for the JLA.

But, to stay on topic, I don't think anything will cheapen the series in that regard. I see Clark's lovelies in stages of his life, whatever will be will be, the end game is all that matters.

[tj_powers]

Yeah I fully agree to that. What is intended to happen will... they are just proglonging it so they can build up a 9th season. Plain and simple. Unless Maxima makes a daring comeback and fights with Supercharged Lana or Kara Kent... Now thats a catfight I wanna see :D

[Dominicus]

Yeah I fully agree to that. What is intended to happen will... they are just proglonging it so they can build up a 9th season. Plain and simple. Unless Maxima makes a daring comeback and fights with Supercharged Lana or Kara Kent... Now thats a catfight I wanna see :DAh, that's a huge possibility! Clark did say that we probably hadn't seen the last of Maxima. A battle between her, Lana or Kara, epic! I can see the hair flying in the wind now.:lol:

[tj_powers]

Ah, that's a huge possibility! Clark did say that we probably hadn't seen the last of Maxima. A battle between her, Lana or Kara, epic! I can see the hair flying in the wind now.:lol:


or some clothes flying off and super speed bouncing... oh wait... this is an nc-17 rated show damnit!! lmao

[chlo-el]

I think it cheapened Clois, Clana, and Lana and Clark as individuals. It made them not have a mture way to leave each other. It made Clark still after all of these years not see Lana for who she is. He still has this perfect picture of her. It made Clark not really able to move on. It's hte wosrt way to end it making Lois the second best because he was forced to not be with Lana. Clana should've ended because they both should have realized they don't bring the best out of each other they do more good apart then together. OK so they actually did try to do the superhero thing together but it took superpowers for Clark to finally let Lana asisst him, when he has always had Chloe or Lois help him with out powers. But years has shown that they bring the worst out of each other and that they don't truely know each other. And then all of the sudden they can be together because they both have powers and then they can't because their forced not to be. It just shows me that Clark will never choose his destiny it will be forced on him.
Superman shouldn't turn into superman just because it's his destiny it should be his choice after he learns and grows from his life experinces but there was no growth here, no lessons learned just him being forced to stay away from a girl who was destructive to him.

[InAFlash]

Actually it strengthens the point. There's no is validation denying what has already transpired. This is the definition or Red kryptonite on Smallville.

On the TV series Smallville (http://www.kryptonsite.com/wiki/Smallville_(TV_series)), red kryptonite has a drug-like effect, causing severe changes in Clark Kent's personality. Under this influence, Clark loses his inhibitions, becoming unpredictable and acting purely on erotic and selfish emotions. Smallville red kryptonite requires close contact with skin to be effective.

This kind of mental Red-K effect was adapted from LnC. The comic version had more bizzare effects.

There's no suggestion, these are Clark's true feelings, for a human they would call it liquid courage. He acts out, instead of bottling the emotions inside. The only reason to discount what has already been said and determinded is purely out of inability to seperate from a ship. Clark under Red-K went to Lana, we all know he wasn't over Lana. Red K initiated his hidden emotions. And when Martha made the observation, he did not deny it, same after he tried that with Alicia. Clark doesn't want to believe he thinks like that, but he does when he has no restraint. He wanted to remove the burden of responcibility, but Martha made him realize that he has that burden. Hydro it was proven thet he liked kissing with Lois, follow-up with crimson. Why he also haa the will to go after Lana. These are significant indicators of control of what he desires.

And opinion is one thing, but not over what is officially known, that is called being in denial and Calrk was also at some point until set in the right direction.

So, to answer your question, do I put faith in Martha's obeservation, absolutely. She knows her son better then anyone, and she's never been wrong. For that matter, she has evidence to back it up. And so do the viewers. Clark owned up to it as well, and his lingering feelings for Lana.

Clark is a superman in training, most don't consider him a big hero at this point because he is still maturing.

Okay so assuming you're right. As you say "Red-K initiated his hidden emotions". This means that he had a hidden desire to be with and marry Alicia. Now if you take this point of view you realize you must also take all the baggage that goes with it. That means that Clark also desires to steal money, damage property, endanger people's lives, instill fear in others, and cause physical harm to others including those he loves. Because this is what he does while on Red-K. Now in order to prove your point you've just taken the main character of the show and lessened him considerably. He now looks like anything but a hero and don't kid yourself most people who watch the show would say that Clark Kent is indeed a hero. So if he is indeed responsible for his actions while on Red-K then why has'nt he taken responsibility for these actions? If he was "set in the right direction" then why has'nt he turned himself in for stealing money and damaging property?

Okay but I'll bite anyway and say that you are correct. You still have'nt proven your original point that he loves Alicia more than he loved Lana. After he tells Alicia that he wants to marry her, does he go and tell his friends and family this? No, he goes to Vegas and elopes. How romantic is that? Boy, he must really love her. I think the writers did a good job in showing what a sham this wedding was, here's some dialogue:

Minister: We are, uh, gathered here to join this happy couple in holy matrimony. Marriage, as you know, is a union that should not be entered into lightly.

Clark: Yeah, yeah, skip to the good stuff, pops.

Minister: Um... do you, Clark Kent, take this woman to be your lawfully wedded wife?

Clark: Hell, yes.

As for me being in denial reread my post. I said I did'nt know exactly what the effects of Red-K were on Clark. I was admitting that I did'nt have all the answers unlike you, apparently.

Just to summarize, your original point was that Clark was fated to be with Alicia not Lana. So you want to take a character who appeared in 3 episodes and suggests that this relationship was more important than the Clark and Lana relationship. A character who threw her father down a flight of stairs; trapped Clark in a room with kryptonite; attempted to kill Lana because in her warped mind she felt she needed to eliminate her so that Clark could fully love her; drugged Clark with Red-K to get him to leave Smallville with her; and lied to Clark about the lead bracelet. I know Lana's done some bad things but Alicia managed to do all this in just 3 episodes. Your strongest proof of course is Clark's actions while on Red-K, which you present as rock solid proof. If you want to take this point of view it's yours, I'm done here. I'll leave you the last word if you wish.

And by the way I hardly have a vested interest in Clana. Sure I'm a fan of Clana fan but it would'nt bother me one bit if TPTB showed me Clois in a believable way. I grew up reading Superman comics and books, watching the movies and TV shows. The reason that I argue that Clana has been the focus of the show so far and that Clark loves Lana above anyone else is because that's what I see. That's what I believe the writers are trying to show me, who am I to argue with them. However, if they show me something else then I'll accept it. They're just stories to me and I don't get too attached to any one of them.

[Dominicus]

Okay so assuming you're right. As you say "Red-K initiated his hidden emotions". This means that he had a hidden desire to be with and marry Alicia. Now if you take this point of view you realize you must also take all the baggage that goes with it. That means that Clark also desires to steal money, damage property, endanger people's lives, instill fear in others, and cause physical harm to others including those he loves. Because this is what he does while on Red-K. Now in order to prove your point you've just taken the main character of the show and lessened him considerably. He now looks like anything but a hero and don't kid yourself most people who watch the show would say that Clark Kent is indeed a hero. So if he is indeed responsible for his actions while on Red-K then why has'nt he taken responsibility for these actions? If he was "set in the right direction" then why has'nt he turned himself in for stealing money and damaging property?

I'm not most people. And regardless of my assessment, judging by most posts on the subject, superman forums in particular, also You-Tube and this site, myself included, do not consider him the man of steel for he currently has far too many characters flaws and mental handi-caps(which is why Red-K is effective in the first place). In the future, hopefully that will change as he becomes the man of steel. But not now, he’s a part-time hero with no resolute conviction, most do not see the man in steel in Clark, even Legion had trouble seeing it. All we see is the potential of a hero, however there is also obstacles, regression and stagnation. Don't kid yourself, this man is currently not superman. He is not supposed to be at this point.

Regardless, even heros are in entitled to mistakes along the path to greatness, as I said he's still maturing. Clark has no desire to be evil, so he will never rob or kill under the influence. Damage lol, are you kidding, he does that on a daily basis without the influence of red-k. Clark can get angry like anyone, seem to remember a few Chloe bashing moments.

There is no assuming, this is smallville’s official description of red-k. He’s like a drunkard acting out on his bottled emotions and all the crap that comes with it. Look, it only reveals his submerged truths in an arrogant, reckless, cocky, fashion, i.e stripping away his inhibitions. Violence towards others, there are emotions he bottles inside, like with Lex, however wanting smashing his face in is different then killing. He taunts, they attack and he smugly reclines, knowing he could kill if that was his desire. However ever it isn’t, he hurts with words, because he hurts inside and lashes out psychology 101.

Historically, this also happened in LnC, when Dean Cain’s superman became apathetic to everything, for the same reasons in smallville. He had issues he bottled inside about being a super hero, and also relationship issues that made him not care about anything and became more agressive. He eventually overcame it by accepting his issues with Red K were psychologically connected to his personal life. Anyway, back to smallville, Clark has taken responsibility, and accepted he has those feelings, like resurfacing feelings for Lana. He felt guilty and ashamed, wanting to apologize, even to Lex.

Also why Martha never let him off the hook, she wanted him to accept he had those deep swirling feelings to not let them be bottled up inside until they explode with the help of Red-K. I ‘ve already established this before, though it’s apparently been ignored. There’s no need to rehashing the same point. If he had been more true to his convictions, Red-K would not have been his crutch as an excuse, rendered ineffective. But, he is still in the learning-process. He is not yet superman. When he saw the invitation in crimson to Lana’s marriage party Clark could not contain his resentment and decided to crash the party. These are not invented emotions, they are his, and he's been shown pre-crimson to have such preexisting resentment, especially towards Lex when discussing the marriage proposal in Hydro. He has hit Lex without the effect of Red-K as well. He has choked nearly killed the murderer of Alicia Baker without the effects of Red-K


Okay but I'll bite anyway and say that you are correct. You still have'nt proven your original point that he loves Alicia more than he loved Lana. After he tells Alicia that he wants to marry her, does he go and tell his friends and family this? No, he goes to Vegas and elopes. How romantic is that? Boy he must really love her. I think the writers did a good job in showing what a sham this wedding was, here's some dialogue:

lol I did. Might want to back and re-read your own admissions. However without being caustic, you pretty much gave the answer, he desired her so much he wanted to be with her forever, right then and there, passion my friend.;) It happens to a great deal of us. Shoot, my sister did the same thing when she was in the military. Called us one day and said, guess what! I ‘m married lol.:cool: That’s life. In love and passion, it is only those two, and he was a teenager. When in love it can feel like that and the rest is obsolete, passion. As I stated Red-k is like being drunk, only he has super-powers. And as they say, fools rush in, thinking of the consequences later. Personally, I thought the whole thing was annoying. But that's purpose of red-k, he acts on his wants without thinking of the consequences.

And Clark gave Martha his reasons for marrying her, I could re-quote it, but you can go a page back for the reference.

:eek:Lets can the Red-K discussion for now. Because what matters is how he responded to Alicia when he was off the Red-K. He forgave her past deeds, and wanted to help her. I’ll spare the Lana comparison to that since I don’t believe you’re objective enough to understand/withstand it in its entirety, or complexity. I don't want to interfere with your view of that unless prompt to do so, like the Red-K and Alicia discussion.


As for me being in denial reread my post. I said I did'nt know exactly what the effects of Red-K were on Clark. I was admitting that I did'nt have all the answers unlike you, apparently.

Tsk tsk, I see a hint of sarcasm, temper, temper. I didn't say you were being in denial.:o I said if you're one of those who deny what has already been established. Like the effects of Red-K. And I do, at least on this subject have the fact, and official definition from smallville on the subject of Red-K, and historical comparsions to which the method of red-k derieved from LnK, not to mention coinciding statements on the SV TV show. Then, you’re in pointless denial. Because it serves no purpose to deny it, it doesn't prove Clark loved Lana, Lois, or Alicia any more or less.

Pointless non-topic observation: But interestingly enough, I see Clark being very territorial with all the females in his life. Lois, Lana, Alicia even those he has no love interest in like, Kara, Chloe and his mother in regards to Lionel.


Just to summarize, your original point was that Clark was fated to be with Alicia not Lana.

No, no. You misconstrued everything, neither Lana or Alicia were ever fated to be with Clark, that is why their destinies ended in tragedies. Why each time they got together they were forced apart. I never said they were fated to be together, quite the opposite, I said the fate ripped them apart, same with Lana. Those who are fated to be together are always brought together, souls bounded in time, even in the darkness of death, and nothing can stand in the way of that, or surmount it.

Lana, Alicia, Kyla (whom he also loved and lost to death) even the other interests like Maxima, and Simone all tried to defy fate, but fate is too powerful, and were punished in a sense. Star-crossed lovers, for Lana, Kyla and Alicia. Looking at the pattern Lana was lucky to get away alive. My whole point to all of this, was that if you’re biased and see Lois as a second-choice, then you would also have to take that same logic with Lana being second to Alicia who’s relationship was ended by death, or third to Kyla, being the first and real quide to all of this, he immediately fell in love with her though death ended all. Lana’s was eventually takne out by a kryptonite suit. There is no two-way street. Quite frankly, when all is set and done, there is no 1st, 2nd,3rd or 4th choices, it is what was meant to be all along. Throughout time, soulmates will always be the choice when they find each other, this has been mentioned numerously in smallville since Kyla. Clark has been obsessed with his soulmate buisness since then, I believe.

However, he's really looking for the one and believes Lana is it, actually all of them. But the one is actually the one he didn't immediately fall in love with. However through a series of events, I believe in Infamous could be the indicator that he will now know who his soulmate really his, maybe, or start to.


So you want to take a character who appeared in 3 episodes and suggests that this relationship was more important than the Clark and Lana relationship. A character who threw her father down a flight of stairs; attempted to kill Lana because in her warped mind she felt she needed to eliminate her so that Clark could fully love her; and drugged Clark with Red-K to get him to leave Smallville with her. Your strongest proof of course is Clark's actions while on Red-K, which you present as rock solid proof. If you want to take this point of view it's yours, I'm done here. I'll leave you the last word if you wish.

That's the way it happened, sorry, don't get petulant with me because Clark doesn't know what he wants. He was the one to date her and bring to the talon after the fact in front of Lana's face like it didn’t matter. (However, this is a very superman quality to forgive.) Anyway, that's what happened, no fairytales here, this is the reality. He did it and he said it, he loved her and she was taken away.


And by the way I hardly have a vested interest in Clana. Sure I'm a fan of Clana fan but it would'nt bother me one bit if TPTB showed me Clois in a believable way. I grew up reading Superman comics and books, watching the movies and TV shows. The reason that I argue that Clana has been the focus of the show so far and that Clark loves Lana above anyone else is because that's what I see. That's what I believe the writers are trying to show me, who am I to argue with them. However, if they show me something else then I'll accept it. They're just stories to me and I don't get too attached to any one of them.

Now you're kidding yourself. You respond to each post that doesn't fit your view of Clana. That's invested. And truly, there's nothing wrong with that. Just don't deny it, or force that view, especially when it is contradicted by the material. You see what you want in your own words, but not what is really there, never the overall picture, just part. Whereas more objectors like me see the whole picture, the good, bad and ugly. Originally, I actually hated the idea of the Alicia Baker story, but in time I understood its purpose to Clark's growth and the sacrifices of his destiny starting with Kyla. And as much as I hated it, watching every time there is no doubt he really did love Alicia. Why, in his words, she made him feel free. But in truth, I’ll never understand why Baker, she was twisted. I still can’t dismiss her purpose in Clark’s life, or what she meant to him. And 3 episode is chalked up to off-screen time, days, months week. What we see in an hour takes place in several days or weeks.

Hmn... That last statement threw away any credibility you may have had. No offense, but in your own innocent words, yet you don’t realize this is what you want to see. Lana and Clark were not together in all 8 seasons, but in your mind you have already stated as much. Clark built an image of Lana long ago as a child, this has been established. Lana even mention not living up to this image. You cannot see the truth to Lana, Alicia, Kyla or even Maxima/Simone because you have blinded yourself to this want, disregarding the rest. A belief that holds no water when compared to the reality. Lana was not Clark’s only love, and she will not be the last. She however was his longest on again off again relationship. He will let go of his past and move on as all adults learn to do. And if you’re a superman comic con, you would have seen all the comic hints which were pre-Lois symbolisms, meaning they hinted about her for a while before she arrived in season 4.

I'm a comic-con and watch SV from the beginning. I appreciated all Clark's loves and do not deny one because I'm a mythos follower. I thought that Clana was very cute, up til season 4/5. And I won't out of respect voice my critiques about why that is.

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or some clothes flying off and super speed bouncing... oh wait... this is an nc-17 rated show damnit!! lmao:rotfl::rotfl: Kinda like that!:lol:

[Dresden]

I'm not most people. And regardless of my assessment, judging by most posts on the subject, superman forums in particular, also You-Tube and this site, myself included, do not consider him the man of steel for he currently has far too many characters flaws and metal handi-caps(which is why Red-K is effective in the first place). In the future, hopefully that will change as he becomes the man of steel. But not now, he’s a part-time hero with no resolute conviction, most do not see the man in steel in Clark, even Legion had trouble seeing it. All we see is the potential of a hero, however there is also obstacles, regression and stagnation. Don't kid yourself, this man is currently not superman. He is not supposed to be at this point.

Regardless, even heros are in entitled to mistakes along the path to greatness, as I said he's still maturing. Clark has no desire to be evil, so he will never rob or kill under the influence. Damage lol, are you kidding, he does that on a daily basis without the influence of red-k. Clark can get angry like anyone, seem to remember a few Chloe bashing moments.

There is no assuming, this is smallville’s official description of red-k. He’s like a drunkard acting out on his bottled emotions and all the crap that comes with it. Look, it only reveals his submerged truths in an arrogant, reckless, cocky, fashion, i.e stripping away his inhibitions. Violence towards others, there are emotions he bottles inside, like with Lex, however wanting smashing his face in is different then killing. He taunts, they attack and he smugly reclines, knowing he could kill if that was his desire. However ever it isn’t, he hurts with words, because he hurts inside and lashes out psychology 101.

Historically, this also happened in LnC, when Dean Cain’s superman became apathetic to everything, for the same reasons in smallville. He had issues he bottled inside about being a super hero, and also relationship issues that made him not care about anything and became more agressive. He eventually overcame it by accepting his issues with Red K were psychologically connected to his personal life. Anyway, back to smallville, Clark has taken responsibility, and accepted he has those feelings, like resurfacing feelings for Lana. He felt guilty and ashamed, wanting to apologize, even to Lex.

Also why Martha never let him off the hook, she wanted him to accept he had those deep swirling feelings to not let them be bottled up inside until they explode with the help of Red-K. I ‘ve already established this before, though it’s apparently been ignored. There’s no need to rehashing the same point. If he had been more true to his convictions, Red-K would not have been his crutch as an excuse, rendered ineffective. But, he is still in the learning-process. He is not yet superman. When he saw the invitation in crimson to Lana’s marriage party Clark could not contain his resentment and decided to crash the party. These are not invented emotions, they are his, and he's been shown pre-crimson to have such resentment, especially towards Lex when discssing the marriage proposal in Hydro.



lol I did. Might want to back and re-read your own admissions. However without being caustic, you pretty much gave the answer, he desired her so much he wanted to be with her forever, right then and there, passion my friend.;) It happens to a great deal of us. Shoot, my sister did the same thing when she was in the military. Called us one day and said, guess what! I ‘m married lol.:cool: That’s life. In love and passion, it is only those two, and he was a teenager. When in love it can feel like that and the rest is obsolete, passion. As I stated Red-k is like being drunk, only he has super-powers. And as they say, fools rush in, thinking of the consequences later. Personally, I thought the whole thing was annoying. But that's purpose of red-k, he acts on his wants without thinking of the consequences.

And Clark gave Martha his reasons for marrying her, I could re-quote it, but you can go a page back for the reference.

:eek:Lets can the Red-K discussion for now. Because what matters is how he responded to Alicia when he was off the Red-K. He forgave her past deeds, and wanted to help her. I’ll spare the Lana comparison to that since I don’t believe you’re objective enough to understand/withstand it in its entirety, or complexity. I don't want to interfere with your view of that unless prompt to do so, like the Red-K and Alicia discussion.



Tsk tsk, I see a hint of sarcasm, temper, temper. I didn't say you were being in denial.:o I said if you're one of those who deny what has already been established. Like the effects of Red-K. And I do, at leasy on this subject have the fact, and official definition from smallville on the subject of Red-K not mention coinciding statements on the TV show. Then you’re in pointless denial. Because it serves no purpose to deny it, it doesn't prove Clark loved Lana, lois or Alicia any more or less.

Pointless non-topic observation: But interestingly enough, I see Clark being very territorial with all the females in his life. Lois, Lana, Alicia even those he has no love interest in like, Kara, Chloe and his mother in regards to Lionel.



No, no. You misconstrued everything, neither Lana or Alicia were ever fated to be with Clark, that is why their destinies ended in tragedies. Why each time they got together they were forced apart. I never said they were fated to be together, quite the opposite, I said the fate ripped them apart, same with Lana. Those who are fated to be together are always brought together, sould bounded in time, even in the darkness of death, and nothing can stand in the way of that.

Lana, Alicia, Kyla (whom he also loved and lost to death) even the other interests like Maxima, and Simone all tried to defy fate, but fate is too powerful, and were punished in a sense. Star-crossed lovers, for Lana and Alicia. Looking at the pattern Lana was lucky to get away alive. My whole point to all of this, was that if you’re biased and see Lois as a second-choice, then you would also have to take that same logic with Lana being second to Alicia who’s relationship was ended by death, or third to Kyla, being the first and real quide to all of this, he immediately fell in love with her though death ended all. Lana’s was eventually taken out by a kryptonite suit. There is no two-way street. Quite frankly, when all is set and done, there is no 1st, 2nd,3rd or 4th choices, it is what was meant to be all along. Throughout time, soulmates will always be the choice when they find each other, this has been mentioned numerously in smallville since Kyla. Clark has been obsessed with his soulmate buisness since then, I believe.

However, he's really looking for the one and believes Lana is it, actually all of them. But the one is actually the one he didn't immediately fall in love with. However through a series of events, I believe in Infamous could be the indicator that he will now know who his soulmate really his, maybe, or start to.



That's the way it happened, sorry, don't get petulant with me because Clark doesn't know what he wants. He was the one to date her and bring to the talon after the fact in front of Lana's face like it didn’t matter. (However, this is a very superman quality to forgive.) Anyway, that's what happened, no fairytales here, this is the reality. He did it and he said it, he loved her and she was taken away.



Now you're kidding yourself. You respond to each post that doesn't fit your view of Clana. That's invested. And truly, there's nothing wrong with that. Just don't deny it, or force that view, especially when it is contradicted by the material. You see what you want in your own words, but not what is really there, never the overall picture, just part. Whereas more objectors like me see the whole picture, the good, bad and ugly. Originally, I actually hated the idea of the Alicia Baker story, but in time I understood its purpose to Clark's growth and the sacrifices of his destiny starting with Kyla. And as much as I hated it, watching every time there is no doubt he really did love Alicia. Why, in his words, she made him feel free. But in truth, I’ll never understand why Baker, she was twisted. I still can’t dismiss her purpose in Clark’s life, or what she meant to him. And 3 episode is chalked of to off-screen time, days, months week. What we see in an hour takes place in several days or weeks.

Hmn... That last statement threw away any credibility you may have had. No offense, but in you own words, yet you don’t realize this is what you want to see. Lana and Clark were not together in all 8 seasons, but in your mind you have already stated as much. Clark built an image of Lana long ago as a child. Lana even mention not living up to this image. You cannot see the truth to Lana, Alicia, Kyla or even Maxima/Simone because you have blinded yourself to this want. A belief that holds no water when compared to the reality. Lana was not Clark’s only love, and she will not be the last. She however was his longest on again of again relationship. He will let go of his past and move on as all adults learn to do. And if you’re a superman comic con, you would have seen all the comic hints which were pre-Lois symbolisms, meaning they hinted about her for a while before she arrived in season 4.

I'm a comic-con and watch SV from the beginning. I appreciated all Clark's loves and do not deny one because I'm a mythos follower. I thought that Clana was very cute, up til season 4/5. And I won't out of respect voice my critiques about why that is.

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:rotfl::rotfl: Kinda like that!:lol:

Bravo! That was one helluva post! :cool:

Actually, I have been following this discussion and haven't interjected because you pretty much have it covered. Your posts are very rational and objective. You also do something that very few people do, which is back up their posts with actual evidence. I agree with everything you have said, especially about the Clark/Alicia relationship. Your are spot on!

The statements that I put in bold are amazing! They are so insightful that I actually got goosebumps when I read them. Good job, man. Good job!

[InAFlash]

Now you're kidding yourself. You respond to each post that doesn't fit your view of Clana. That's invested. And truly, there's nothing wrong with that. Just don't deny it, or force that view, especially when it is contradicted by the material. You see what you want in your own words, but not what is really there, never the overall picture, just part. Whereas more objectors like me see the whole picture, the good, bad and ugly. Originally, I actually hated the idea of the Alicia Baker story, but in time I understood its purpose to Clark's growth and the sacrifices of his destiny starting with Kyla. And as much as I hated it, watching every time there is no doubt he really did love Alicia. Why, in his words, she made him feel free. But in truth, I’ll never understand why Baker, she was twisted. I still can’t dismiss her purpose in Clark’s life, or what she meant to him. And 3 episode is chalked up to off-screen time, days, months week. What we see in an hour takes place in several days or weeks.

Hmn... That last statement threw away any credibility you may have had. No offense, but in your own innocent words, yet you don’t realize this is what you want to see. Lana and Clark were not together in all 8 seasons, but in your mind you have already stated as much. Clark built an image of Lana long ago as a child, this has been established. Lana even mention not living up to this image. You cannot see the truth to Lana, Alicia, Kyla or even Maxima/Simone because you have blinded yourself to this want, disregarding the rest. A belief that holds no water when compared to the reality. Lana was not Clark’s only love, and she will not be the last. She however was his longest on again off again relationship. He will let go of his past and move on as all adults learn to do. And if you’re a superman comic con, you would have seen all the comic hints which were pre-Lois symbolisms, meaning they hinted about her for a while before she arrived in season 4.


Well I said I was done here but...You say I respond to each post that does'nt fit my view of Clana without admitting that you're doing the same thing. If you're going to make assumptions as to my objectivity than you'll have to allow me to do the same to you. I'm sorry but you don't exactly appear objective to me.

I'm not going to continue this discussion with you anymore Dominicus. This is'nt about Clana and Clois anymore, it's become about you and me. It's about who's right and who's wrong. For the record I never claimed I was right. I'll admit I have strong opinions, but there just that -- opinions. Well you have shut me down Dominicus. I made the assumption that there was no right answer but apparently you've found it. I'm sorry but is'nt there a reason for these forums in the first place. In fact not only do you have this show figured out you have me figured out as well. There are many intelligent posters on here who use examples from the show to support their opinion that Clana is the most important relationship of the show and that Clark loves Lana above all else. Will you shut them down as well, because you believe you are right?

[Jor-Fer]

Well I said I was done here but...You say I respond to each post that does'nt fit my view of Clana without admitting that you're doing the same thing. If you're going to make assumptions as to my objectivity than you'll have to allow me to do the same to you. I'm sorry but you don't exactly appear objective to me.

I'm not going to continue this discussion with you anymore Dominicus. This is'nt about Clana and Clois anymore, it's become about you and me. It's about who's right and who's wrong. For the record I never claimed I was right. I'll admit I have strong opinions, but there just that -- opinions. Well you have shut me down Dominicus. I made the assumption that there was no right answer but apparently you've found it. I'm sorry but is'nt there a reason for these forums in the first place. In fact not only do you have this show figured out you have me figured out as well. There are many intelligent posters on here who use examples from the show to support their opinion that Clana is the most important relationship of the show and that Clark loves Lana above all else. Will you shut them down as well, because you believe you are right?


I know what you mean , when someone sees bananas in an apple tree you can´t do anything to make him understand.

[Dominicus]

Well I said I was done here but...You say I respond to each post that does'nt fit my view of Clana without admitting that you're doing the same thing. If you're going to make assumptions as to my objectivity than you'll have to allow me to do the same to you. I'm sorry but you don't exactly appear objective to me. Tch, please don’t negate this on me. I did not start this. I made a statement and you commented. This happened twice, I merely corrected the inaccuracies with supported material as well as the continuous questions you asked. Did you expect me not to answer? Actions and consequences. I don’t care about how anyone views an episode, or Clana/Clois unless they contact me with refuting statements when I state views/observations. To clarify for the record. This isn’t my view, this is the writer’s "the whole" as I previously stated. My view was that I hated the A.B. story, however I couldn’t dismiss what was in the episode because of my dislikes. This is an objective view.


This is'nt about Clana and Clois anymore, it's become about you and me. It's about who's right and who's wrong. For the record I never claimed I was right. I'll admit I have strong opinions, but there just that -- opinions. Well you have shut me down Dominicus. I made the assumption that there was no right answer but apparently you've found it. I'm sorry but is'nt there a reason for these forums in the first place. In fact not only do you have this show figured out you have me figured out as well. There are many intelligent posters on here who use examples from the show to support their opinion that Clana is the most important relationship of the show and that Clark loves Lana above all else. Will you shut them down as well, because you believe you are right?

Strange. Actually, everything I've said is on topic the topic of cheapening Clois. I’m sorry, but this was never personal on any level to me. This was never about me or you. To me, it was always about the topic of cheapening clois. If anything is off-topic it is this post, and I mean no offense.

Clana is for another thread, if that were the topic, I would have discussed it. It is not, however to answer your question. I’ll do what I did in here. Mind my own until someone tries to challenge my observation with unjustifiable rants/op, or reply with snide comments such is the case in other threads. Who are too cowardly to respond directly. I will state a realistic view with supporting evidence from the show, and actor’s/writer’s statements and connections with the mythos and/or novels. If it’s inaccurate, I have every right, as do you, to post my assessment. However, I rarely make the first move, or take it to a personal level. There is no personal view, it is only fact. I can let go of a topic without any hard feelings. It’s a discussion, nothing more.

Lastly, since it was brought up, Clark cannot Love Lana above all else because he is not dead nor begun to explore other possibilities. Currently, she is the longest love he has lost, but not above all else, and obviously not the only one he will love in such a way. I could go on and get real deep into the subject, but it’s not the topic. ;)

[Malorie]

I'll do what I did in here. Mind my own until someone tries to challenge my observation with unjustifiable rants/op, or reply with snide comments such is the case in other threads. Who are too cowardly to respond directly. I will state a realistic view with supporting evidence from the show, and actor/writer's statements and connections with the mythos and/or novels. If it's inaccurate, I have every right, as do you, to post my assessment. However, I rarely make the first move, or take it to a personal level. There is no personal view, it is only fact. I can let go of a topic without any hard feelings. It's a discussion, nothing more.
I agree. Way too many people post without even supporting what they are saying and when someone challenges them they don't respond. I'm glad that you are responding and having this discussion because you are making very valid statements.


Lastly, since it was brought up, Clark cannot Love Lana above all else because he is not dead nor begun to explore other possibilities. Currently, she is the longest love he has lost, but not above all else, and obviously not the only one he will love in such a way. I could go on and get real deep into the subject, but it's not the topic. ;)I've never understood how anyone can say that Lana is the end for Clark. The man is 21 years old and has his entire life ahead of him. How can anyone know if this is his greatest love? I mean it sounds nice and romantic, but when you really think about it, and especially when you apply it to the real world it just doesn't hold. First loves are wonderful, but most of the time people do move on. And that is what Clark is going to do. It's what Clark always does after Lana, move on.


I know what you mean , when someone sees bananas in an apple tree you can´t do anything to make him understand. Well not if you just throw out random comments like this one instead of opening your own mind to what the other person is trying to say. It's easy to shut someone out and accuse them of not understanding or not wanting to understand, but it's much harder to listen to someone and converse and try to explain what you are saying and where you are coming from. A lot of people don't put forth the effort to have actual discussions in which it isn't necessarily about proving something, but about understanding where others are coming from.

[Tinyeppy]

If TPTB keep Lois's charcter as in the comics

(By the way Smallville isn't the comics)

She's the only character that remains untouched by the PS3 & TPTB who haven't gotten hay wire off the myth.

Lois WILL NOT allow herself 2nd best or choice b/c she will never start a relationship with Clark to begin with. It doesn't matter even if she's in love with him. If she feels Clark still has something for Lana she'll drop him like a fly and he will never get it back.

Lois has a deep wall & is alot stronger in emotions then Lana. Lois will not put up with Clana drama or anything that will hurt her dignity in regards to herself. That's with everything in her life from work, friendship, to relationships.

She's the type of women that if she feels that CK is in love with her & Lana is trying to step in she won't care she tell Lana to back off her man.

I personally believe Lana has to come back to understand that Clark Kent has moved on and is truly honestly more in love with Lois then he was with her. CK has to see Lana for who she really is & that ideal of her vanished.

Clana needs some real closure before anyown will ever take Lois & Clark as a serious realationship b/c every character on the show is aware of the "Power Drama Couple Clana".

Something has to make Clois more solid then Clana to make these people (the show characters & fans) believe that CK loves Lois more then he ever did Lana, b/c then everyone will think CK is with Lois b/c Lana is unavailable right now but when she comes back........ This concept has to be addressed. As with the other issues if the can even has power/human realations with out someone dying in the process.

If not then Lois is 2nd choice, 2nd best & Lois's character will be nothing like she's in the comics

Which is something TPTB do often. I admit Smallville is a world on it's own & I have admitted that.

[tj_powers]

you guys are putting too much into this. lana being there was only to make sure we do not confuse the comics to the show. the comics is about superman, not clark kent. superman is the one who falls for lois and in the comics doesnt even meet her until he is superman. shes second choice right now, but by the end of this show clark will be over lana and moved on and thats when everything will fall into place.

[Inkpen23]

Actually, it doesn't. All that says is that Clark contradicts himself. So lets see who he was he being more truthful with.

Well, I'm responding to you because you CHOSE to respond to me, so how do you like them apples?

Actually, it does negate anything Clark said or did with Alicia and nothing you've posted thus far disproves it. Clark has been in love with Lana ever since he was 7 years old, and he loved Lana long before he ever knew Alicia, so it is believable that she (Lana) would be the only one he ever truly loved. This bogus argument that Clark's relationship with Alicia is somehow similar to his relationship with Lois now that she's been rejected not once, not twice, but THREE times already by Clark, doesn't hold up. I'm going to put this in bold letters just so you won't miss it. Alicia is/was second choice for Clark because at the time he couldn't have Lana. And now so is Lois, get it?

One thing this show has shown me over the course of the series is that when Lana is out of the picture Clark entertains the idea of being with someone else, but if he has the option of choosing between Lana or someone else, he chooses Lana. And that didn't change this season when Lois discovered her new found feelings for Clark when she saw how hot he looked in a dress shirt and pants. Can you get anymore shallow than that? :rolleyes: Puh-lezze!

It's not a matter of "out of sight out of mind" as actaeon cleverly suggested. That argument might be true if the show had actually shown Clark choosing someone else over Lana. The problem is the show has never shown us that, so its not a valid argument. If anything everyone else in Clark's life in regards to Lana is "out of sight out of mind" because for Clark it has always been Lana and then everyone else. Clark has neglected his friends, his family, and sacrificed those closest to him for Lana. That's one of the reasons why Clana was such an unhealthy relationship for both parties involved because of the irrationalness of their relationship. In Clark's eyes Lana was perfect and could do no wrong and he refused to see her flaws. Clark put the blindfold on so tightly that it was cutting off circulation to his brain when it came to Lana. :) He lusted after her like there was no other woman on the show. When she was out of his life he still lusted after her and wanted to be with her. She even had to call him out on the unhealthy image he had of her in his head. How can you sit there and deny the feelings he had for Lana? In Smallville Clark has never loved anyone that intensely.

I agree Clark's infatuation and obsession with Lana was unhealthy but I think people are in denial if they think what Clark felt for Lana wasn't intense and to the lesser degree REAL LOVE.

Yes, I would agree, it was irrational, unhealthy,delusional, obsessive love but nonetheless; it was love.

Why do you think Alicia tried to kill Lana? It was because she knew Clark had a thing for Lana and she knew Lana posed a threat to her relationship with Clark. Clark didn't entertain the idea of something with Alicia until Lana was out of the picture, and Alicia tried to make sure of that. In the same way what he's now doing with Lois.

Clark has this obsessive fear of ending up alone, so that's why he's willing to entertain the idea of something with someone else other than Lana. But his hearts desire has always been to be with Lana. And if he has the option of CHOOSING someone else over Lana, he'll CHOOSE Lana. I don't know why that is but it is what it is. I think people are in denial if they aren't willing to accept that fact.

Clark loved Alicia, but he loved Lana more and he only wanted to be with Alicia because he couldn't have Lana at the time. Clana had broken up because Clark was keeping secrets from Lana and Lana was with another guy, Adam. Your argument might be believable if the show had shown Clark CHOOSING Alicia over Lana, but it didn't.

I also, disagree with the notion that Clark never reached the level of rage over Lana's death as he did with Alicia's. Clark tried to kill Lex in season 6's "Phantom" because he thought Lex had killed Lana. Clark was prepared to kill Lex at the time and Lionel specifically urged Clark not to go after Lex because he knew Clark would do something he would regret, which is killing Lex, so that argument is false.

Furthermore, if he gets with Lois and says, "All this time, I thought Lana was the one etc." then that too can be chalked up to Lana being out of the picture. Why couldn't he come to that conclusion when she was in his life, instead of waiting until she was out of his life? Heck, if that's the case and he can easily dismiss his long time feelings for Lana like that whose to say that one day he won't do that to Lois? Whose to say that Lois really isn't the one for him and that Chloe is since he hasn't given Chloe a try either. She might be his soul mate instead of Lois. Whose to say? If all it takes is for Clark to have other possibilities to find the right girl for him then why settle for Lois? He just might be missing out on his real soul-mate with Chloe!

Are we really suppose to believe that Clark Kent/Superman is that fickle and shallow? I don't think so. It would be OOC of Clark to dismiss his long time feelings for Lana when entertaining the idea of something else with Lois just to put Lois at ease. His feelings for Lana weren't fake all these years and it doesn't say much about him if it took Lana being forced apart from him to get him to recognize she wasn't the one. Lana had done enough already for him to have figured that out all on his own.

Clark has never lied to himself about his feelings for Lana until Power. In Power he was trying to deny his feelings for Lana, but Chloe knew better when he told her they kissed the night before. Clark wasn't foolin' anyone, definitely not Chloe, she knew. And that's why she encouraged him to go talk to Lana because she knew he still had feelings for Lana, even though by this time he was fully aware Lois had feelings for him and that there might be something there between him and Lois.

He still wants Lana though so he goes after her as Chloe suggested. The feelings Clark has for Lana has never been up for ambiguity in this show. The show has made clear that Clark has intense feelings for Lana and until now no one has come close. You may try to deny it, but that still won't make it false. Your argument might be plausible if we were talking about any other girl in Smallville. But we're not. We're talking about Lana Lang, the girl Clark has lusted after since he was 7 years old and at least in Smallville for Clark there has always been Lana Lang and then ever other girl. And that's not counting the fact that Clark has rejected Lois three times already for Lana. This was further underscored in seasons 6 Crimsion when Clark deliberately (while on RED-K mind you) ended his make-out session with Lois when he saw the engagement party invitation for Lexana's wedding. Clark stopped himself dead in his tracks to go chase after Lana.

No, one is saying Clark can't love again or that he will forever be tied to Lana. Clark can and eventually will move on but it's going to take time and one, two, three, four, five, six, hell even seven episodes later isn't enough time for that. He needs to take time and sort out his feelings and find out what he really wants in a mate before he puts himself out there again. However, what *I* am saying by evidence of the show that Lois Lane of Smallville will always be second best for Clark because he couldn't have Lana. Just as Alicia was and is. No one is saying Clark won't ever love again, he will, in due time, but if that girl is Lois then YES she will be second choice for Clark because he couldn't have Lana, as proven by the show when Clark CHOSE Lana over Lois.

[Hobbes829]

Was MJ second to Gwen stacy for Peter Parker? In time clark will learn that he and Lana was disfunctional and he wasn't truely happy with her. Lois is second to no one. I rest my case!

[Dominicus]

Well, I'm responding to you because you CHOSE to respond to me, so how do you like them apples? perhaps you should reread that statement, you made previous mock comments that were indirect responses. That is why I responded to you intentionally.


Actually, it does negate anything Clark said or did with Alicia and nothing you've posted thus far disproves it. Clark has been in love with Lana ever since he was 7 years old, and he loved Lana long before he ever knew Alicia, so it is believable that she (Lana) would be the only one he ever truly loved. This bogus argument that Clark's relationship with Alicia is somehow similar to his relationship with Lois now that she's been rejected not once, not twice, but THREE times already by Clark, doesn't hold up. I'm going to put this in bold letters just so you won't miss it. Alicia is/was second choice for Clark because at the time he couldn't have Lana. And now so is Lois, get it?

Nope. it doesn’t. I mentioned all this as well. But he has found other loves. Next, the last statement, is an opinion. Interpretation, not a fact. Lois rejected by Clark, really lol when did this happen? I know what you response will be just want to see if you’ll write it.


One thing this show has shown me over the course of the series is that when Lana is out of the picture Clark entertains the idea of being with someone else, but if he has the option of choosing between Lana or someone else, he chooses Lana. And that didn't change this season when Lois discovered her new found feelings for Clark when she saw how hot he looked in a dress shirt and pants.

When Lois actually comes onto him, confesses her feelings, then we’ll then you can talk. We know Clark is blind, being surprise that chloe wrote that love letter in HS, stating something along the line. Not being able to see his soulmate right in front of him. Funny that Lois was there when she stated this.


It's not a matter of "out sight out of mind" as actaeon cleverly suggested. That argument might be true if the show had actually shown Clark choosing someone else over Lana. He did Alicia, Pariah.


The problem is the show never showed us that, so its not a valid argument. If anything everyone else in Clark's life in regards to Lana is "out of sight out of mind". Because for Clark it has always been Lana and then everyone else. Clark has neglected his friends, his family, and sacrificed those closest to him for Lana. That's one of the reasons why Clana was such an unhealthy relationship for both parties involved because of the irrationalness of their relationship. In Clark's eyes Lana was perfect and could do no wrong and he refused to see her flaws. Clark put on the blindfold so tightly that it was cutting off circulation to his brain when it came to Lana. "lusted after her like there was no other woman on the show. When she was out of his life he still lusted after her and wanted to be with her. She even had to call him out on the unhealthy image he had of her in his head. How can you sit there and deny the feelings he had for Lana? In Smallville Clark has never loved anyone that intensely. I denied nothing. I'm an objective viewer. That’s the amusing part, I in-fact had said that his longest love. My only issue was the denial of previous loves such as Alicia, and Kyla. Also, in the sv official-descriptions. And by the way, a great majority of this post is opinion/interpretation based. However, ITA with this
statement.



I agree Clark's infatuation and obsession with Lana was unhealthy but I think people are in denial if they think what Clark felt for Lana wasn't intense and to the lesser degree REAL LOVE.

Yes, I would agree, it was irrational, unhealthy,delusional, obsessive love but nonetheless; it was love. Nope, this is obsession on an ideal object, and invention he created in his mind long ago. We’ve already established the image persona, but he really knew nothing about Lana. Which is why I felt Bizarro was the better match, who I truly loved Lana for who she was, he knew her, unlike Clark who was puzzled by every turn. I love how you guys write how crazy they are then claim it love, the word is delusional, and you used yourself, how quaint.:lol::p


Why do you think Alicia tried to kill Lana? It was because she knew Clark had a thing for Lana and she knew Lana posed a threat to her relationship with Clark. Clark didn't entertain the idea of something with Alicia until Lana was out of the picture, and Alicia tried to make sure of that. In the same way what he's now doing with Lois. You use Alicia, the disregard her when she discredits your view. In that same regard, why do you think he dated Alicia despite that fact. There was a time he was over Lana, but losing that flame Alicia set him back on the same regressive path.


Clark has this obsessive fear of ending up alone, so that's why he's willing to entertain the idea of something with someone else other than Lana. But his hearts desire has always been to be with Lana. And if he has the option of CHOOSING someone else over Lana, he'll CHOOSE Lana. I don't know why that is but it is what it is. I think people are in denial if they aren't willing to accept that fact. More Opinions. Because I can that’s why he entertained getting back with Lana, because he was lonely and had no one in life. Again, he chose Alicia over Lana in Pariah. There was time he was even considering Chloe. Clark doesn’t know what he wants. This is a view being force., realize it is an interpretation. Some could even say he felt guilty about her parents being killed in the first meteor shower, and that he was somehow responcible and can relate to her lonliness.... wait, that acyually did happen.


Clark loved Alicia, but he loved Lana more and he only wanted to be with Alicia because he couldn't have Lana at the time. Clana had broken up because Clark was keeping secrets from Lana and Lana was with another guy, Adam. Your argument might be believable if the show had shown Clark CHOOSING Alicia over Lana, but it didn't.

Oh, he did. In Pariah, or did you forget the convo between Clark and Lana over the issue? And the fact that he dated Alicia knowing full-well what she did to Lana in the past. Alicia died before that could be refuted, Lana was not choose over her.


I also, disagree with the notion that Clark never reached the level of rage over Lana's death as he did with Alicia's. Clark tried to kill Lex in season 6's "Phantom" because he thought Lex had killed Lana. Clark was prepared to kill Lex at the time and Lionel specifically urged Clark not to go after Lex because he knew Clark would do something he would regret, which is killing Lex, so that argument is false. I seen it, not the same rage and pain. He seemed more calmed then anything. Lois seemed to be the emotional wreck in that episode. Again, your interpretation that is not supported by what actually took place.


Furthermore, if he gets with Lois and says, "All this time, I thought Lana was the one etc." then that too can be chalked up to Lana being out of the picture.

Funny you use that same remark concerning Alicia. Lol:eek::o


Why couldn't he come to that conclusion when she was in his life, instead of waiting until she was out of his life? Heck, if that's the case and he can easily dismiss his long time feelings for Lana like that whose to say that one day he won't do that to Lois? Whose to say that Lois really isn't the one for him and that Chloe is since he hasn't given Chloe a try either. She might be his soul mate instead of Lois. Whose to say? If all it takes is for Clark to have other possibilities to find the right girl for him then why settle with Lois? He just might be missing out on his soul-mate with Chloe!

Ah, yeah, nice try but that’s just speculative nonsensical babble. Because smallville has to obey the rules, there certain restriction they will not tamper with. However, the show is still in-progress, so we’ll see. But the quote from Clark seems to spring in mind "No one’s going to mess with Lois and Clark. There is no moonlighting going on with Chloe and that chapter has been officially closed, since Chloe herself stated as much. Also because there was no one else there for Clark, clark alway entertain the idea of Lana. He did love after all. Lex already offered Clana's fate as star-crossed lover, the relationship was doomed from the start, not soulmate.


Are we really suppose to believe that Clark Kent/Superman is that fickle and shallow? I don't think so. It would be OOC of Clark to dismiss his long time feelings for Lana when entertaining the idea of something else with Lois just to put Lois at ease. His feelings for Lana weren't fake all these years and it doesn't say much about him if it took Lana being forced apart from him to get him to recognize she wasn't the one. Lana had done enough already for him to have figured that out all on his own. Sorry, but yes. He has been proven to be fickle and shallow.


Clark has never lied to himself about his feelings for Lana until Power. In Power he was trying to deny his feelings for Lana, but Chloe knew better when he told her they kissed the night before. Clark wasn't foolin' anyone, definitely not Chloe, she knew. And that's why she encouraged him to go talk to Lana because she knew he still had feelings for Lana, even though by this time he was fully aware Lois had feelings for him and that there might be something there between him and Lois.

right in the previous episode she stated the opposite. Funny hwo Clark did not deny Lois was a factor. As well as question is love for Lana, let alone getting advice about it shows conflict. He also looked quilty over the topic.


He still wants Lana though so he goes after her as Chloe suggested. The feelings Clark has for Lana has never been up for ambiguity in this show. The show has made clear that Clark has intense feelings for Lana and until now no one has come close. You may try to deny it, but that still won't make it false. Your argument might be plausible if we were talking about any other girl in Smallville. But we're not. We're talking about Lana Lang, the girl Clark has lusted over since he was 7 years old and at least in Smallville for Clark there has always been Lana Lang and then ever other girl.

Thank-you for choosing the word lusted for I did not deny anything. This all goes to his fantasy, he himself stated as much as this was a dream.



And that's not counting the fact that Clark has rejected Lois three times already for Lana. This was further underscored in seasons 6 Crimsion when Clark deliberately (while on RED-K mind you) ended his make-out session with Lois when he saw the engagement party invitation for Lexana's wedding. Clark stopped himself dead in his tracks to go chase after Lana.

Did I not mention this myself, by these statement you have made shows you're over defensive and hostile. You only read a select few paragraphs, you wasted my time with dreams. Lois has never came on to Clark, however, it was his hand that grabbed for Lois’s in a dance, and he moved in first to kiss in the bride. Lana interrupted, And Lois willingly backs away, like she did in spirit at the prom. Allowing Clark to go back to Lana. If Lois had stayed, and made Clark make a choice, You would valid statement, however, you do not. Just ranting at this point.



No, one is saying Clark can't love again or that he will forever be tied to Lana. Clark can and eventually will move on but it's going to take time and one, two, three, four, five, six, hell even seven episodes later isn't enough time for that. He needs to take time and sort out his feelings and find out what he really wants in a mate before he puts himself back out there. However, what *I* am saying by evidence of the show that Lois Lane of Smallville will always be second best for Clark because he couldn't have Lana. Just as Alicia was and is. No one is saying Clark won't ever love again, he will, in due time, but if that girl is Lois then YES she will be second choice for Clark because he couldn't have Lana, as proven by the show when Clark CHOSE Lana over Lois\pard sa99 .

Again, an opinion. And a bad interpretation Clark never chose Lana of over, Lois is not even a choice yet, they’re not in love at this point. Are they dating? Are they romantically involved? Lois has purposely took herself out of the Clana equation, and also denouncing any feelings verbally. The only thing that’s been established is they have deep connection.

In hypnotic: Hypnotic Simone hypnotizes Clark, he cheats on Lana, which Lois came to her defense btw Clark broke up with her etc; An even more powerful hypnotist, Maxima gets Clark in her clutches in the elevator, however one look from Lois and Maxima loses her influence. Now there subconscious minds are already connect. However, consciously it has always been a struggle, mainly do to their insecurities. There’s several interviews on this.


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Was MJ second to Gwen stacy for Peter Parker? In time clark will learn that he and Lana was disfunctional and he wasn't truely happy with her. Lois is second to no one. I rest my case!Agreed. It's just a relationship the didn't work out.

[Jor-Fer]

I agree. Way too many people post without even supporting what they are saying and when someone challenges them they don't respond. I'm glad that you are responding and having this discussion because you are making very valid statements.

I've never understood how anyone can say that Lana is the end for Clark. The man is 21 years old and has his entire life ahead of him. How can anyone know if this is his greatest love? I mean it sounds nice and romantic, but when you really think about it, and especially when you apply it to the real world it just doesn't hold. First loves are wonderful, but most of the time people do move on. And that is what Clark is going to do. It's what Clark always does after Lana, move on.

Well not if you just throw out random comments like this one instead of opening your own mind to what the other person is trying to say. It's easy to shut someone out and accuse them of not understanding or not wanting to understand, but it's much harder to listen to someone and converse and try to explain what you are saying and where you are coming from. A lot of people don't put forth the effort to have actual discussions in which it isn't necessarily about proving something, but about understanding where others are coming from.

It´s because is soooooo obvious that Lana is the first choice of Clark in SV universe that the main argument to explain it is the whole series.Sorry ,I understand that a lot of people loves Lois and they would prefer that this show was about Clois but the thruth is that after 8 years of barn sunsets , lifehouses , coldplays , love triangles always ending in the same way etc,people would know what writers and creators wanted to show us.Asume it and enjoy the show.

[bigblueplanet]

However, what *I* am saying by evidence of the show that Lois Lane of Smallville will always be second best for Clark because he couldn't have Lana. Just as Alicia was and is. No one is saying Clark won't ever love again, he will, in due time, but if that girl is Lois then YES she will be second choice for Clark because he couldn't have Lana, as proven by the show when Clark CHOSE Lana over Lois.

I read your entire post but please forgive me to quote only the last part of it because this is the part I’m about to respond. In other words, this is the only part I disagree with you. (The bold part)

If you know Superman, I mean if you truly understand his nature, how can you say that he will settle for a woman of his second choice? Well I know you’re counter-debating with someone else to back up your comment regarding to Clark chose Lana over Lois (which I also agree with you), but every time when I see someone who declare, “Clark chose Lana over Lois NOW, so Lois always WILL BE his second choice in the FUTURE”, it makes me feel this person doesn’t really understand the nature of Superman, unless he/she thinks this version of Clark Kent will be remained as RBB and never become Superman like how I feel right now (as my avi suggests).

But TPTB did say they can’t change the outcome even though SV is completely new interpretation of Superman Mythos, didn’t they? So it means this version of Clark Kent supposedly becomes Superman one day no matter how much he seems drift away from his roots right now. So unless TPTB is planning to create a Superman who completely differs from what defines him in the Mythos (which they won’t by the way, if they can’t change ‘outcome’), I think it’s safe to assume he won’t settle for a woman no matter how much he doesn’t want to be alone, or no matter how much he needs to do physical deeds or whatever other reasons mere humans like us could think of, IMHO. (After all, there's a reason why he is 'Super' both psychologically and physically.)

So yes. Clark did choose Lana over Lois now, but he will be with Lois in the future because she will be his first and only choice. IMO (i.e. if they stick to what they said and doesn't change the outcome of Clark Kent. But who knows after we saw what happened to Lana, huh? )

= So, do I have a show canon to prove my point? No, I don’t. But neither do you. That’s my point.

[InAFlash]

This isn’t my view, this is the writer’s "the whole" as I previously stated.

Oh I'm sorry I did'nt realize you knew the writers intentions EXACTLY.


I denied nothing. I'm an objective viewer. That’s the amusing part,

I think some of us are amused that you actually believe this.


Again, he chose Alicia over Lana in Pariah.

Really, because I thought Lana was in a relationship with Jason in Pariah. So you're saying he could have been with Lana if he wanted to in this episode but chose Alicia. Please elaborate.


I seen it, not the same rage and pain. He seemed more calmed then anything. Lois seemed to be the emotional wreck in that episode. Again, your interpretation that is not supported by what actually took place.


Who's making an interpretation now. You of course fail to mention that the phantom who becomes Bizarro shows up in the middle of the scene interupting Clark's reaction to the situation. And you still have'nt responded to how Clark reacted to her death in "Reckoning". In this episode he knows that someone else will die in his place but still decides to save Lana despite Jor-El's warning. That means that he was willing to sacrifice anyone else that he loved to save Lana. A list that includes Jonathon, Martha, Chloe, and Lois.


Lex already offered Clana's fate as star-crossed lover, the relationship was doomed from the start, not soulmate.


Oh so I guess you are now an expert on soulmates as well. So because Clana was doomed they're not soulmates. Are you saying that soulmates always end up together? I'm sorry but I can't assume you know this.


I’ll do what I did in here. Mind my own until someone tries to challenge my observation with unjustifiable rants/op, or reply with snide comments such is the case in other threads. Who are too cowardly to respond directly.

I'm sorry are you calling me a coward? Dominicus I could go on all day with you but what would be the point. I would never win. But this is'nt IMO because you have stronger evidence. It's because you use irrational arguments and then have the nerve to claim their facts.

[Hobbes829]

There are no such things as soulmates. People don't fall in love because of some mystical unseen force. They fall in love because of the values that they see in another person and how it makes them feel. Clark liked lana because it was a schoolboy crush. It developed into something deeper, but the relationship was never on solid ground to begin with. He lied to her from day 1, including whenever they dated. Sometime during season 5 she became duplicitous and was no longer the girl that he loved, but desperately held on to the image.

Lois doesn't have any of Lana's hangups, and is a much better fit for him. People in love will fight for a relationship. With Lana he regresses. With Lois, he matures. He's a better person and is happier when he's around her.

[Dominicus]

I think some of us are amused that you actually believe this.Sorry, I stated it as a whole the only one's believing I'm not objective are angered because it discredits their belief. Admitting Clark had three loves before Lois, does not do the Lois and Clark relationship any favors. I've mentioned how Clark went to Lana under red-k this serve no purpose to Clois. It is an objective view.

It's not believing, it's knowing, just like knowing there was going to be a seaon 9.

Here we go again, a post taken everything out of context. :rolleyes: Only this time you resort to petty bashing.


Really, because I thought Lana was in a relationship with Jason in Pariah. So you're saying he could have been with Lana if he wanted to in this episode but chose Alicia. Please elaborate.

I don't have to, for you have yet to elaborate on anything just posting attacks to what has been shown on the show. However, even with Lex, Lana still went around Clark. In the Clanaer's belief, they were always in love, so he would not move on, even if Lana was with another. However, he did. Whatever Lana asked him to do, he would do. Throw Teague in it all you want, but the fact remains Clark dated Alicia who previously tried to kill Lana, that's picking her over Lana, even when Lana expressed her anger and disgust on the matter. You can't talk around or avoid Alicia. It happened, get over it already and stop rehashinng the same topic because it officially discredits your view. If you're convinced of you belief, why consistently bug me about it? This is what I was talking about. This post was for Inkpen, and you jumped in as if I were talking to you. Then you get petulant "I'm not discussing this anymore" rhetoric.



Who's making an interpretation now. You of course fail to mention that the phantom who becomes Bizarro shows up in the middle of the scene interupting Clark's reaction to the situation. And you still have'nt responded to how Clark reacted to her death in "Reckoning". In this episode he knows that someone else will die in his place but still decides to save Lana despite Jor-El's warning. That means that he was willing to sacrifice anyone else that he loved to save Lana. A list that includes Jonathon, Martha, Chloe, and Lois.

Yeah I did, the answer just wasn't to your satisfaction, mainly to the point we weren't having this discussion. And you need to think long about that last remark. Especially if you claim Clark a hero in previous posts. Please don't willfully contradict yourself. Clark to give his character some credit, didn't willingly sacrifice anything, and didn't consider the balance, the consquence in full, he figured if he saved Lana it would be okay, and he was satisfied with that. And was futher relieved after saving Lois. He never thought anyone else would die because Jor-EL did not say it specifically. He said messing with time and a balancing order ect. After Jonathan does die, he realized the mistake of his decision. He acted without thinking, rash and recklessly, an act you claim was limited/reserved to Red-K, which it clearly is not. And regardless, it's still was not the same reaction as with Baker, in which you prevously submitted to . And after she died, looking regretfully down on her grave, it wasn't the same with Lana post death. If you want I'll bring in the show links to support this.


Oh so I guess you are now an expert on soulmates as well. So because Clana was doomed they're not soulmates. Are you saying that soulmates always end up together? I'm sorry but I can't assume you know this. soulmates is common knowledge, they are drawn together, even by unforseen circumstances. they are not ripped away by fate once they are together, for they are meant to be together and they will stay together no matter what. Even though Lois and Clak are not lovers at this point, they are still always together. Lana and Clark were together, and each time torn apart. Doomed lovers, star/crossed lovers, is the official statement on the matter. Lex coined the phrase, and the Clanaers were the ones running around stating this was the case, now you want to take it back? Nonsense.



I'm sorry are you calling me a coward? Dominicus I could go on all day with you but what would be the point. I would never win. But this is'nt IMO because you have stronger evidence. It's because you use irrational arguments and then have the nerve to claim their facts.

What are you talking about? No, I wasn't referring to you, I was simply saying that indirect cowardly comments would provoke a first response from me. Your comments were not indirect, and weren't cowardly. So, in short, no, I did not call you a coward. Please read objectively next time. I used no irrational argument, I stated actual events, smallville descriptions and dialog to coincide the statement, in which you've also submitted and told me this is your opinion. These are events that took place, it just doesn't cater to your view of things. You can go on all day, but your just reapeating the same prideful nonsense of questioning me on what he writers have shown. Which is fine and dandy, just don't try to convince me of your illconceived beliefs.

So, in short, of this redundant issue, since Alicia died we will never know the impact over him choosing Lana over her, or which love was greater, same with kyla, especially when he brought Alicia to the Talon all innocent-eyed. He was willing to bring Alicia into the fold despite of what everyone else thought. All I'm saying, is that Alicia, along with Kyla cannot be discredited. Both loves ending in death, seperated by fate. It is irrational to ignore that. There is no need for me to throw Lana in it when we already know the situation. She is a great love, however she will not be his only great love.:\

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I read your entire post but please forgive me to quote only the last part of it because this is the part I’m about to respond. In other words, this is the only part I disagree with you. (The bold part)

If you know Superman, I mean if you truly understand his nature, how can you say that he will settle for a woman of his second choice? Well I know you’re counter-debating with someone else to back up your comment regarding to Clark chose Lana over Lois (which I also agree with you), but every time when I see someone who declare, “Clark chose Lana over Lois NOW, so Lois always WILL BE his second choice in the FUTURE”, it makes me feel this person doesn’t really understand the nature of Superman, unless he/she thinks this version of Clark Kent will be remained as RBB and never become Superman like how I feel right now (as my avi suggests).

But TPTB did say they can’t change the outcome even though SV is completely new interpretation of Superman Mythos, didn’t they? So it means this version of Clark Kent supposedly becomes Superman one day no matter how much he seems drift away from his roots right now. So unless TPTB is planning to create a Superman who completely differs from what defines him in the Mythos (which they won’t by the way, if they can’t change ‘outcome’), I think it’s safe to assume he won’t settle for a woman no matter how much he doesn’t want to be alone, or no matter how much he needs to do physical deeds or whatever other reasons mere humans like us could think of, IMHO. (After all, there's a reason why he is 'Super' both psychologically and physically.)

So yes. Clark did choose Lana over Lois now, but he will be with Lois in the future because she will be his first and only choice. IMO (i.e. if they stick to what they said and doesn't change the outcome of Clark Kent. But who knows after we saw what happened to Lana, huh? )

= So, do I have a show canon to prove my point? No, I don’t. But neither do you. That’s my point.ITA!;) Also wanted to add if that were true, if he would settle for just anyone, then Maxima would've had a shot. It's amazing how Clark's integrity as a character is discredited for a view. He wouldn't hurt anyone like that. If and when he gets with someone it will come naturally.

[Mrs. Superman]

ITA!;) Also wanted to add if that were true, if would settle for just anyone, then Maxima would've had a shot. It amazing how Clark's intergrity as a character is discredited for a view. he wouldn't hurt anyone like that. If and when he gets with someone it wil come naturally.
There have been many excellent posts in this thread, but I must say you've hit the nail on the head each time. Great stuff!

[tj_powers]

Wow I never realised how much this thread and topic had potential lol!! DOnt forget the Indian girl who believed Clark to be Numan or however you write it. It didnt last long, but I think Clark had a problem with girls who were stepping on his toes alot lol those who threw themselves at him, he took out of weakness! CK is all about the azzz haha!!

[InAFlash]

Sorry, I stated it as a whole the only one's believing I'm not objective are angered because it discredits their belief. Admitting Clark had three loves before Lois, does not do the Lois and Clark relationship any favors. I've mentioned how Clark went to Lana under red-k this serve no purpose to Clois. It is an objective view.


Telling other posters that you're objective and they're not does'nt add weight to your arguments. All it does is serve to intimidate and discourage a response. You're taking liberties here by suggesting that everything you state is based in fact and everything they state is opinion/interpretation. Furthermore nothing you've said discredits my belief.


Here we go again, a post taken everything out of context. Only this time you resort to petty bashing.

Something you do all to well.


I don't have to, for you have yet to elaborate on anything just posting attacks to what has been shown on the show.

This is of course your opinion, an opinion I happen to have about your posts.


I don't have to, for you have yet to elaborate on anything just posting attacks to what has been shown on the show. However, even with Lex, Lana still went around Clark. In the Clanaer's belief, they were always in love, so he would not move on, even if Lana was with another. However, he did. Whatever Lana asked him to do, he would do. Throw Teague in it all you want, but the fact remains Clark dated Alicia who previously tried to kill Lana, that's picking her over Lana, even when Lana expressed her anger and disgust on the matter. You can't talk around or avoid Alicia.

I don't have to talk around or avoid Alicia. He wanted to be with her and he even loved her. This does'nt mean he loved her more than he loved Lana or that he would have ended up with her had she not died. Inkpen and I have given you plenty of evidence from the TV show to help prove our points. You're the one who refuses to see this not me. Here's one more piece of evidence: If Clark truly desired to marry Alicia then after the effects of Red-K wore off why did'nt he do so? He did'nt do so because his mother reminded him marriage is a "sacred" act between two people. A sober Clark free of the influence of Red-K did'nt wish to enter into a "sacred" relationship with Alicia. However, he did wish to enter into a "sacred" relationship with Lana in "Reckoning" when he proposed to her before her tragic death.


It happened, get over it already and stop rehashinng the same topic because it officially discredits your view.

Why does it discredit my view? Because you say so. Once again all these statements do is serve to intimidate and discourage a response.


If you're convinced of you belief, why consistently bug me about it?

I could ask you the same question.


Then you get petulant "I'm not discussing this anymore" rhetoric.


Why say this? How is my state of mind relative to these discussions. Furthermore, it takes a great deal of arrogance to suggest you know what another poster is feeling.


Yeah I did, the answer just wasn't to your satisfaction, mainly to the point we weren't having this discussion.

No you did'nt. You were comparing Clark's reaction to both Alicia and Lanas' deaths. You suggested that Clark was more enraged when Alicia died than he was when Lana died. This is of course your opinion or interpretation. It's not based in fact but you claimed it was. I gave you evidence to support the opinion that he reacted more strongly to Lana's death in "Reckoning". This is of course my opinion, and IMO the evidence seems to indicate that he was more upset when Lana died in "Reckoning" than when Alicia died. When he thinks Lana died at the end of S6 his reaction was cut short due to the appearance of the phantom. IMO it's difficult to compare this to his reaction to Alicia's death due to the appearance of the phantom. Because of this IMO no definitive conclusion can be drawn from the S6 example because we don't really know what he would have done to Lex had the phantom not appeared. As for the graveyard scene there is nothing to compare it to, there was no graveyard scene when Lana died. And even so comparing Clark's reaction in two different scenes is still just an opinion/interpretation. Different people are going to have different points of view.


And you need to think long about that last remark. Especially if you claim Clark a hero in previous posts. Please don't willfully contradict yourself.

I'm not contradicting myself. I honestly had'nt consider this and will now. This is a very good point by you. I suppose I now have to rethink my assessment of Clark Kent as a hero knowing that he chose Lana's life over the life of someone else that he loved. But this does'nt contradict my Red-K theory. It's simply new evidence that I will now have to consider in determining whether or not I believe he is indeed a hero.


Clark to give his character some credit, didn't willingly sacrifice anything, and didn't consider the balance, the consquence in full, he figured if he saved Lana it would be okay, and he was satisfied with that. And was futher relieved after saving Lois. He never thought anyone else would die because Jor-EL did not say it specifically. He said messing with time and a balancing order ect.

Actually, he is aware that a life would be exchanged for his after he's resurrected in "Mortal". He therefore did willfully exchange one life for another. Of course he is devasted over the death of Lana and his reaction could be construed as a gut reaction to the situation and perhaps in his confusion he had forgotten that a life would be exchanged for his. However, this does'nt get him off the hook IMO in regards to whether or not he's still a hero. Given this new evidence I suppose I would have to say I believe he is still a hero but with flaws.


After Jonathan does die, he realized the mistake of his decision. He acted without thinking, rash and recklessly, an act you claim was limited/reserved to Red-K, which it clearly is not.

I NEVER said "Clark never acts rash or recklessly when he's not on Red-K". Please show me where I said this. I know that Clark at times acts recklessly even without Red-K.


soulmates is common knowledge, they are drawn together, even by unforseen circumstances. they are not ripped away by fate once they are together, for they are meant to be together and they will stay together no matter what.

This is not common knowledge. I have read plenty of books on soulmates. Many of them have different views on what this connection means. None of them claim to have the definitive right answer. I of course respect your opinion that soulmates always end up together, but it's still just an opinion.


Lana and Clark were together, and each time torn apart. Doomed lovers, star/crossed lovers, is the official statement on the matter. Lex coined the phrase, and the Clanaers were the ones running around stating this was the case, now you want to take it back? Nonsense.


Please don't assume I think like all Clanaers. I did however say that Lana and Clark are star-crossed lovers. And yes I do believe that star-crossed lovers will end up together eventually. In Clark and Lana's case this could be at some future time when Lana finds a cure and is able to be with Clark. In the case of a tragedy where one lover dies it could be in heaven or in a future life. These are of course my beliefs.


What are you talking about? No, I wasn't referring to you, I was simply saying that indirect cowardly comments would provoke a first response from me. Your comments were not indirect, and weren't cowardly. So, in short, no, I did not call you a coward. Please read objectively next time. I used no irrational argument, I stated actual events, smallville descriptions and dialog to coincide the statement, in which you've also submitted and told me this is your opinion. These are events that took place, it just doesn't cater to your view of things. You can go on all day, but your just reapeating the same prideful nonsense of questioning me on what he writers have shown. Which is fine and dandy, just don't try to convince me of your illconceived beliefs.

Once again these types of statements don't further the discussion or strengthen your points. I apologize for saying that you called me a coward. I apologize for combining your response to mine and Inkpens' posts. I apologize for calling your arguments irrational. But please don't use these tactics to try and bully and intimidate me. I'm never going to convince you of my beliefs but they are not illconcieved. They are valid points of view that I wish to share on this board. Your opinions are extremely valid ones as well. I can respect yours if you can respect mine.


So, in short, of this redundant issue, since Alicia died we will never know the impact over him choosing Lana over her, or which love was greater, same with kyla, especially when he brought Alicia to the Talon all innocent-eyed. He was willing to bring Alicia into the fold despite of what everyone else thought. All I'm saying, is that Alicia, along with Kyla cannot be discredited. Both loves ending in death, seperated by fate. It is irrational to ignore that. There is no need for me to throw Lana in it when we already know the situation. She is a great love, however she will not be his only great love.


I'm not ignoring this. These were important women in his life. I've already stated this. I'm simply saying that these women were not as important to him as Lana was. In other words that his connection to Lana is stronger than his connection to these two women ever was, and that he loved Lana above these two. This is my opinion. You're free to have your own. As to whether or not he loved Lana more than he will Lois, I honestly can't say because the show has not ended yet and there is more evidence to be presented.

I welcome any response to this post Dominicus but please read this post carefully and consider what I'm saying. I apologize to you and other posters for some of my sarcastic posts. I'm just hoping that we can be respectful of each other from now on.

I would also like to apologize to the board for getting off topic, but I really needed to post this. Lets get back to They Cheapened Clois.

[Dominicus]

I skipped to the stuff that was on topic, they were a bit emotionally charge, it was a bit much.


No you did'nt. You were comparing Clark's reaction to both Alicia and Lanas' deaths. You suggested that Clark was more enraged when Alicia died than he was when Lana died. He was more enraged, the fact that he was angry enough to choke a human being almost killing, shows the rage. Lois couldn't stop that attack until the point he nearly killed. In other words, with Lana, he was able to be talked down before inflicting life-threatening damage. And his pain was more evident with Alicia screaming in tears No! NOO! NOOOO! while holding her lifeless body in his arms. Then he runs out to kill the guy nothing stopping him. In requiem, when Lana died, he didn't try to kill Lex, however he was extremely grief-stricken. The difference in Alicia and Lana's death. Was the rage vs grief. Which is more meaningful that is totally up to the viewer.


I'm not contradicting myself. I honestly had'nt consider this and will now. This is a very good point by you. I suppose I now have to rethink my assessment of Clark Kent as a hero knowing that he chose Lana's life over the life of someone else that he loved. But this does'nt contradict my Red-K theory. It's simply new evidence that I will now have to consider in determining whether or not I believe he is indeed a hero.

Well the point of Reckonong was Clark acting rashly, childishly without thinking of the consequence, he was emotionally motivated. he often did this. Acting on his emotions, not thinking of the consequences, this is where the red-k reference came from. The only difference with red-k it keeps him reckless and his inhibitions on lock down. Whether he's, on and or off red-k he's just reckless, young and unthinking. Only this time, it had a painful lasting consequence. Smallville is based on Clark becoming, rather maturing to superman, these are the mistakes he will learn and evolve from, and never make them again.


Actually, he is aware that a life would be exchanged for his after he's resurrected in "Mortal". He therefore did willfully exchange one life for another. Of course he is devasted over the death of Lana and his reaction could be construed as a gut reaction to the situation. However, this does'nt get him off the hook IMO in regards to whether or not he's still a hero.

No, not at the moment of Requiem. His head wasn't straight, all he thought of was saving Lana from that horrid accident, PTS. He really thought it was going to be okay and that this was a one time thing and he can go back and prevent the death, he did not understand or fully absorb the consequence. Give him some credit. He was grief-stricken for that view you make him out to be a killer. To be honest, Jonathan's death was natural, he had exhibited heart issues prior. Jor-el explained this was basically a lesson he had to learn, and you cannot tamper with life. To grow, he will exprience many tragedies, it is for prospective. Clark was stubborn and trying to preserve life, Legion springs to mind of how far he will go to save one of his close friend's life. This is why Jor-El always bickered and punished Clark because of his human sentiments. He is too attached to be a hero above all else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RuKNEbLSvc watch that and say that he intentionally meant for that to happen. If he knew the consequences he would not have done it.



This is not common knowledge. I have read plenty of books on soulmates and twin flames. Many of them have different views on what these connections mean. None of them claim to have the definitive right answer. I of course respect your opinion that soulmates always end up together, but it's still just an opinion.:lol: Looked that up wiki did ya. It's not an opinion, it's literary, my friend. ;)


Please don't assume I think like all Clanaers. I did however say that Lana and Clark are star-crossed lovers. And yes I do believe that star-crossed lovers will end up together eventually. In Clark and Lana's case this could be at some future time when Lana finds a cure and is able to be with Clark. In the case of a tragedy where one lover dies it could be in heaven or in a future life. These are of course my beliefs.Um, you are a Clanaer, by your own albeit reluctant admittance. I could counter it, but these are your beliefs on the subject. But I have to go with smallville's interpretation of star-crossed lovers vs soulmates.


Once again these types of statements don't further the discussion or strengthen your points. I apologize for saying that you called me a coward. I apologize for combining your response to mine and Inkpens' posts. I apologize for calling your arguments irrational. But please don't use these tactics to try and bully and intimidate me. I'm never going to convince you of my beliefs but they are not illconcieved. They are valid points of view that I wish to share on this board. Your opinions are extremely valid ones. I can respect yours if you can respect mine. Understood.


I'm not ignoring this. These were important women in his life. I've already stated this. I'm simply saying that these women were not as important to him as Lana was. In short, that he loved Lana above these two. This is my opinion. You're free to have your own. As to whether or not he loved Lana more than he will Lois, I honestly can't say because the show has not ended yet and there is more evidence to be presented.That is true somewhat, unlike Kyla and Alicia he had time spent with Lana and grow, being his intimate love, lost by a cruel twist of Lex. And although there are strong indications to were the Clark and Lois relationship is heading, it is not there yet. Infamous I think we'll have a clearer picture at on Clark's POV more accurately.


I welcome any response to this post Dominicus but please read this post carefully and consider what I'm saying. I apologize for some of my sarcastic posts but you use these tactics quite often. I'm just hoping that we can be respectful of each other from now on. Believe it or not, I'm objective and a take your words in consideration. And the tone of your post had made it more then I ever intended. I say truce and keep to the topic.


I would also like to apologize to the board for getting off topic, but I really needed to post this. Lets get back to They Cheapened Clois. With that I resume the topic at hand.

No, Clois was not cheapened, it hasn't even begun, it is slowly building or what the future has in-store. http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4518214#post4518214 Here's some examples of those current indicators.

Though really this soulmate talk started back with kyla and the wrist/bracelet. Hopefully that thing will resurface soon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLLGcWFz7q0&feature=channel

This can be said of his previous relationships as well, to where he put everything into it, all off himself.

This was never a matter of choice but who Clark has strong emotions towards, and essentially who he is destinded to be, and be with. He knows what hurts Lois and would never get into a relationship unless he was sure she was the one. He like Lios have been very guarded and insecure on this issue.

[InAFlash]

I skipped to the stuff that was on topic, they were a bit emotionally charge, it was a bit much.

He was more enraged, the fact that he was angry enough to choke a human being almost killing, shows the rage. Lois couldn't stop that attack until the point he nearly killed. In other words, with Lana, he was able to be talked down before inflicting life-threatening damage. And his pain was more evident with Alicia screaming in tears No! NOO! NOOOO! while holding her lifeless body in his arms. Then he runs out to kill the guy nothing stopping him. In requiem, when Lana died, he didn't try to kill Lex, however he was extremely grief-stricken. The difference in Alicia and Lana's death. Was the rage vs grief. Which is more meaningful that is totally up to the viewer.



Well the point of Requiem was Clark acted rashly without thinking of the consequence, he was emotionally motivated. he often did this. Acting on his emotions, not thinking of the consequences, this is where the red-k reference came from. The only difference with red-k it keeps him reckless. Whether he's, on and or off red-k he's just reckless, young and unthinking. Only this time, it had a painful lasting consequence. Smallviile is based on Clark becoming superman, these are the mistakes he will learn and evolve from, and never make then again.

No, not at the moment of Requiem. His head wasn't straight, all he thought of was saving Lana from that horrid accident. He really thought it was going to be okay and that this was a one time thing and he can go back and prevent the death, he did not understand or fully absorb the consequence. Give him some credit. He was grief-stricken for that view you make him a killer. To be honest, Jonathan's death was natural, he had exhibited heart issues prior. Jor-el explained this was basically a lesson he had to learn, and you cannot tamper with life. Clark was stubborn and trying to preserve life, Legion springs to mind of how far he will go to save one of his close friend's life. This is why Jor-El always bickered and punished Clark because of his human sentiments. He is too attached to be a hero above all else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RuKNEbLSvc watch that and say that he intentionally meant for that to happen. If he knew the consequences he would not have done it.


:lol: Looked that up wiki did ya. It's not an opinion, it's literary, my friend. ;)

Um, you are a Clanaer, by your own albeit reluctant admittance. I could counter it, but these are your beliefs on the subject. But I have to go with smallville's interpretation of star-crossed lovers vs soulmates.

Understood.:)


That is true, unlike Kyla and Alicia he had time to spend with Lana and grow, being his last love, lost by a cruel twist of Lex. And although there are strong indications to were the Clark and Lois relationship is heading, it is not there yet. Infamous I think we'll have a clearer picture at on Clark's POV more accurately.

Believe it or not I'm objective and a take your words in consideration. And the tone of your post had made it more then I ever intended. I say truce and keep to the topic.


I would also like to apologize to the board for getting off topic, but I really needed to post this. Lets get back to They Cheapened Clois. With that I resume the tpic at hand. No, Clois was not cheapened, it hasn't even begun, or what the future has in-store. This was never a matter of choice but who Clark has strong emotions towards. He knows what hurts Lois and would never get into a relationship unless he was sure. This can be said of his previous relationships as well, to where he put everything into it, all off himself.

Hey Dominicus, thanks for responding. I've read your post and will take your counterpoints into consideration.

I will not however post any further counterpoints of my own as it's now time to move on to the relevant discussion. A truce sounds good to me.

Just a couple of things you mention "Requiem" but I believe you were referring to "Reckoning" when you were talking about Clark's reaction to Lana's death. Or you may have been talking about the episode at the end of S6. Not a big deal I assumed that you were not talking about "Requiem" because Lana did not die in this episode.

As for reading about soulmates on wiki. No I did'nt need to do this. I've been reading books on this subject for many years. There are many theories on the subject, but that's not for these forums.

Anyway, back to They cheapened Clois...

[Dominicus]

you were referring to "Reckoning" when you were talking about Clark's reaction to Lana's death. Or you may have been talking about the episode at the end of S6. Not a big deal I assumed that you were not talking about "Requiem" because Lana did not die in this episode. :lol: Yeah, I flubbed, I'll correct it.

[Lazy Boy]

Ok, WTF?!!! Now it REALLY looks like Lois is going to be the consolation prize! Second best for the woman he loves but can't have?! This is it! As of right now, Smallville is NOT related to Superman at all. This Clark Kent will never be the Superman we all know and love. He was actually going to kill Lex for Lana?! Please!!! What a waste of a good show!

edit: It's funny, this is my thread, but for some reason the newbie before me got all the credit! Anyways, yeah...whatever!

Come on guys, don't we all go through life saying "yup, he/she is the one" about one person after another? This is just Clark's thoughts at this point of the show. It's bound to change in the future.

[tj_powers]

Come on guys, don't we all go through life saying "yup, he/she is the one" about one person after another? This is just Clark's thoughts at this point of the show. It's bound to change in the future.

Amen!!! Also glad to see a truce now between inaflash and dominicus simply because omg their posts were long to read ha ha ha ha!!! and hey they agreed to season 9 so we all know clark and lois will happen by then!

[Inkpen23]

So yes. Clark did choose Lana over Lois now, but he will be with Lois in the future because she will be his first and only choice. IMO (i.e. if they stick to what they said and doesn't change the outcome of Clark Kent.


But how? This is Smallville and Clark isn't defined by his relationship with Lois in Smallville. They have already changed the outcome by having Clark interact with Lois before he becomes Supes. They have already changed so many things about the mythos so their interpretation does impact the overall outcome of the mythos, at least from Smallivlle's interpretation.

It's not a matter of me thinking this version of Clark Kent will always be the RBB and never turn into Superman. From how TPTB have portrayed this version of Clark Kent I can see him being capable of settling for a woman just so he won't be alone. Even TW, the actor that plays Clark, has said Clark's biggest fear is ending up alone and not finding someone that will accept him. This wasn't the first time Clark has settled for the other woman when he couldn't have the one he really wanted. It's not out of character for this version of Clark Kent to do something like that because he has done it before. He's done it to Chloe, Alicia, Kyla, Jessie and numerous other random women throughout the show.

This version of Clark Kent is a womanizer and a heartbreaker.

And now he's doing the same thing to Lois what he's done in the past to the other women in his life. He's playing with her heart and emotions. This couldn't be better underscored than in Bride when he almost kissed Lois knowing he wasn't over his ex. You see Clark was rejected by Lana seven months earlier in Arctic in the Dear John, video she sent to him to break off their relationship. He then for seven months longed for and lusted after Lana by continuously watching the break up video and looking at old souvenirs and pictures that reminded him of Lana. He clearly wasn't over Lana, just yet. Then *BAM* in Bride after seeing his best friend marry her new found husband and appear to be blissfully happy with her new life without him being part of it. He started to warm up to Lois and almost kissed her. At the time Lana nor Chloe was an option for Clark so he settled for Lois while secretly still desiring Lana. In Bride Lois was Clark's rebound girl. He had been rejected by the love of his life seven months prior and hadn't dated anyone after their break up. He still yearned for Lana but because she was unavailable and wasn't an option for him he settled for second best with Lois in Bride after she expressed interest in him.

However, when Lana came back into Clark's life he dumped Lois and went with Lana. Lois was once again rejected by Clark for Lana. Now that Lana is no longer an option for Clark, according to spoilers, he's back at considering Lois. No, matter how you look at it this Lois will forever be Clark's rebound/second choice girl because he couldn't have the one he really wanted which was Lana.

Side note: Maxima didn't have a chance with Clark because he didn't know her and she didn't know him. Furthermore, why would he want to be with some outer space slut that killed innocent people to be with him?

[Dyanara]

I'm not going to read all these paragraphs or write my own paragraph, makes me feel like Im back in college.
Clark and Lana are not some earth shattering love story like Romeo and Juliet because if no1 has noticed they are both still alive whereas R*J died at the end. That put a period at the end of their story forever. There is no period at the end of Lana and Clark which means no1 on here can say for certain that there love was and always will be the greatest love of each other's lives. As someone else said already this is just like saying a 15yr old who says she is madly in love with her boyfriend at the time and she will always love him no matter what....then 15yrs later she's married with children and cant remember teenage boyfriends name. OR she does remember his name and realizes he was a big part of her life BUT now she realizes that love was not the greatest love she knew.
Finally I will say this, let the Clana people believe Clark will die loving Lana more it thats what makes them feel better than more power to them. To the CLois people, continue reading your comics and watching your movies and everything else and go on believing Lois is the only true love for Clark.

[bigblueplanet]

Hi, Inkpen23. I enjoy reading your post no matter how much we disagree with each other (actually, I do agree with you for the most part) because your well-construct paragraphs makes easy for me to follow your thoughts.

That being said, before I respond to your post I just want to make sure for one thing. It’s about the way you use a word ‘settle’ in your post. Please forgive me if I’m wrong because English is not my mother language as you could see, but I thought when we use a word ‘settle’, it means you get married with someone even though there’s someone else you wanted to be with. Simply because I never heard this word being used for someone who is just in the relationship as girlfriend and boyfriend without being married. So, yes. Clark was with all those girls because he couldn’t have Lana at the time but I never saw him as being ‘settled’ with them. The way I see it, he was having a relationship with a girl of his second choice at each occasion.

So when I said in MY post that “Clark will never settle for a woman.”, what I meant was he will never marry with a woman of his second choice. Just to avoid misunderstanding between us, I had to point this out. I’m sorry making a long preface out of this. (But I have a feeling this will be a long post anyway. Please bear with me.)


But how? This is Smallville and Clark isn't defined by his relationship with Lois in Smallville. They have already changed the outcome by having Clark interact with Lois before he becomes Supes. They have already changed so many things about the mythos so their interpretation does impact the overall outcome of the mythos, at least from Smallivlle's interpretation.

I agree that Clark is not defined by his relationship with Lois in SV, but I think it's because he is not yet Superman. But I come up with this later. (I call it ‘point A’)

Now first of all, let’s talk about ‘outcome’ of Smallville. Recently I had a debate with Bruno (aka Timester) in another thread about the outcome of SV and he was saying SV will never change the outcome while my opinion was it is very possible (ironically), oppose to what I just told you in my last post. But we were talking about outcome of Davis Bloom at the time who was introduced with a completely new origin and background not to mention having a human alter ego (!). I don’t want to go O/T so I won’t tell you any more details about this but while I think it’s very possible that many characters in SV will have different outcomes apart from comics (such as DD, Martha, Pete and Lana), I’m hoping they will never change the outcome of significant characters who build fundamental core of Superman Mythos. (= Lex, Lois and mostly Clark) So you see, sometimes I’m debating with someone, hoping he/she is right. (!)

I’ve heard that TPTB kept saying SV is NOT an AU and they can’t change the outcome no matter how much the journey part is different from the original story. Is it true? (I heard it couple of times from fellow members.) But let’s assume it’s true at this moment for argument’s sake.

You said, “They have already changed the outcome by having Clark interact with Lois before he becomes Supes”, but the ‘outcome’ which me and Bruno (and TPTB) were talking about is what Clark will be when he’ll be Superman in the future. Not present time and not the ‘journey’ part. So we haven’t seen any ‘outcome’ just yet, in that case. We still don’t know how Clark’s character will evolve, and how he keeps progressing both emotionally and spiritually as much as his ‘becoming hero’ part. (= how he’ll figure out having dual identities, flight, suits etc.) This is the reason why the series hasn’t come to an end, isn’t it? We all haven’t seen the end (=outcome) of it at all.

I do agree that their new interpretation will impact the future of SV verse, but if they don’t/can’t/won’t change the ‘outcome’ as show runners said, then, they’ll have to end the series with the Clark Kent who has high moral code and ethic as well as anything else which defines Clark Kent/Superman, IMO. Otherwise how can we recognize him as our beloved hero? Because you know as much as I do that Superman is not only about his powers.


It's not a matter of me thinking this version of Clark Kent will always be the RBB and never turn into Superman. From how TPTB have portrayed this version of Clark Kent I can see him being capable of settling for a woman just so he won't be alone. Even TW, the actor that plays Clark, has said Clark's biggest fear is ending up alone and not finding someone that will accept him. This wasn't the first time Clark has settled for the other woman when he couldn't have the one he really wanted. It's not out of character for this version of Clark Kent to do something like that because he has done it before. He's done it to Chloe, Alicia, Kyla, Jessie and numerous other random women throughout the show.
This version of Clark Kent is a womanizer and a heartbreaker.

As a Superman fan this saddens me greatly because it’s so true. That’s why I keep hoping what I just said above will be realized. But I thought you also believe it, when I saw your text which say: Superman has morals. It gave me an impression that you see this Clark Kent as a ‘womanizer and a heartbreaker’ now, but you believe he’ll be Superman who has high morals in the future. Am I right? Or you think he is X and Y right now so that he will always be X and Y in the future?


And now he's doing the same thing to Lois what he's done in the past to the other women in his life. He's playing with her heart and emotions. This couldn't be better underscored than in Bride when he almost kissed Lois knowing he wasn't over his ex. You see Clark was rejected by Lana seven months earlier in Arctic in the Dear John, video she sent to him to break off their relationship. He then for seven months longed for and lusted after Lana by continuously watching the break up video and looking at old souvenirs and pictures that reminded him of Lana. He clearly wasn't over Lana, just yet. Then *BAM* in Bride after seeing his best friend marry her new found husband and appear to be blissfully happy with her new life without him being part of it. He started to warm up to Lois and almost kissed her. At the time Lana nor Chloe was an option for Clark so he settled for Lois while secretly still desiring Lana. In Bride Lois was Clark's rebound girl. He had been rejected by the love of his life seven months prior and hadn't dated anyone after their break up. He still yearned for Lana but because she was unavailable and wasn't an option for him he settled for second best with Lois in Bride after she expressed interest in him.
However, when Lana came back into Clark's life he dumped Lois and went with Lana. Lois was once again rejected by Clark for Lana. Now that Lana is no longer an option for Clark, according to spoilers, he's back at considering Lois.

Yep. Again, it’s so true. But as I said in the beginning of my post, I’m not sure the word ’settle’ is appropriate in this situation. I hope you’ll tell me later about the usage of the word.


Side note: Maxima didn't have a chance with Clark because he didn't know her and she didn't know him. Furthermore, why would he want to be with some outer space slut that killed innocent people to be with him?

Me neither. I never thought she has a potential to be his mate. The same reason why I never thought Alicia had any chance to be with him. This version of Clark Kent (as a boy) is literally blind when it comes to relationship. *sighs*

So now I’ll explain about Point A. Firstly, there’s a reason why I think Lana is not the one for him from Clark’s POV. (i.e. apart from their dysfunctional relationship because he finally never realized it. Or will he? )

Clark couldn’t have Lana because of many obstacles in the past even though he never stop loving her and always wanted to be with her over the years. Then, finally it comes to Power and Requiem (minus last 15min). This is the first time when both Clark and Lana finally united without any obstacles, without any ‘I don’t love you anymore’ pretendings, without any lies and secrets, without ‘The world needs you more than I need you’ anxieties.

Nada. I mean NOTHING can come between their way. They could truly be together, knowing they both feel the same way, being in love with one another madly, wants to spend the rest of their life together, even no problem to make love without worring to hurt her and so on. Besides, like you said in your post, we all know that Clark’s biggest fear is ending up alone and not finding someone that will accept him. So it was truly THE moment his dream come true.

Lana meanwhile at this point had accepted him entirely and even went extreme length to have super human powers so that she can be sure her presence wouldn’t hold him back. In other words, she really showed him she wants to be with him no matter what it takes. (Think about it. She even lost part of her humanity because of this.) So why - and this is huge WHY- will Clark ever give up on her NOW???


TPTB: Because of Kryptonite, you idiot!
Me : ……………… :confused:


Of course I know how deadly Kryptonite is to Clark, but he has been living in Smallville where anyone can easily build bunch of Kryptonite-based-weapon (or gum) producing factories. But yet, Clark still chooses to live there in the heart of Kryptonite land. It means he is not really afraid to encounter with Kryptonite (which he constantly does, by the way). So the love of his life became Kryptonite woman, all right, but what stops him try to be with her? I know Lana chose to leave him but it’ll never stop Clark Kent if he knows she loves him and wants to be with him just as much if it wasn’t for Kryptonite. She is not dead, and she is somewhere on the same planet, completely in love with him, said she will always love him, and this Smallville version of obsessively loving-her-almost-all-his-life Clark will give her up knowing how she feels about him?

Here comes my ‘How’?

If he won’t search for a cure (again, obsessively) in future episodes, it won’t make any sense to me. And if I say that, I imagine you would tell me “This version of Clark Kent I can see him being capable of settling for a woman just so he won't be alone.” So if this is what you would tell me, I hope my theory of ‘outcome’ in the end (where Superman begins), as I explain to you earlier makes sense to you why I don’t think he’ll settle for a woman of his second choice. The way Clark Kent loves THE woman of his life does define him both in Mythos and SV. We’ve been watching Clark’s boyhood love (a big love nevertheless) and how Clark as a boy loved a woman. I’m hoping we’ll see him become a man firstly and maybe (maybe not) see him how he loves a woman as a man in the future.


No, matter how you look at it this Lois will forever be Clark's rebound/second choice girl because he couldn't have the one he really wanted which was Lana.

Lastly, the reason why I think Lana is not the one for him from Superman’s fan POV.

But I have to confess something first. I only read your last post (#646) and this one so I don’t know whether or not you’re a shipper but from these two posts I had an impression that you’re a Superman or/and SV fan without being a shipper. So if you’re a diehard Clana fan and if your POV is the way that you could enjoy the most & fully appreciate the SV series, then by all means please be it. As Dyanara said it above, it’s more power to you if this makes you happy. (But this is no way meant as ‘permission’ or something, mind you. lol I just want to tell you that I will understand in that case. Maybe this is the reason why I tend to always end up debating with fellow Superman fans who come from exactly the same place as I am, = hopelessly in love with Superman, and never with a shipper.)

So I just refuse (at this moment) to believe what you stated as a ‘fact’, because it really degrade Superman and the SV series as a whole for me. Can you imagine the universe where Superman is fighting global-level threats every day and is known timelessly beyond galaxy as the greatest hero of all time who influenced generations of future superheroes, BUT he settled with a rebound/second choice woman?

I would say, ‘Ouch’. :(

Again, because Lana is not dead. She said she will love him forever. Clark Kent would never ever give up no matter how big their obstacle is if he thinks she is the one. We’re talking about someone bigger-than-life here. If you know Superman from Mythos, you know how far he would go and do whatever it takes to save the ones he loves. The whole JLA members knows how nuts he is when it comes to a woman he loves. lol So even this SV version of Clark Kent, he will literally move heaven and earth to be with Lana no matter what. So according to spoilers, why he seems not doing so?


TPTB: well…..because……Because KK’s contract is over, you moron!!
ME : ……………….. :rolleyes:


In all seriousness, I hope you know what I meant by saying ‘degrade’. It’s nothing to do with Clana or ships. It’s everything to do with Superman. And the big part of what defines him and what makes him stand out/separate from all other superheroes is his love for Lois. Ask any Superman fans, they would tell you the same.

This version of Clark Kent is not yet Superman. (maybe not yet even a ‘man’)
Will we ever see a glimpse of his incomparable love for Lois in SV? Well, honestly I doubt it simply because the moment where Superman begins, SV will be over. But if SV is not an AU and the outcome of Clark Kent will be the one we (as Superman fans) will fully recognize as TPTB claimed, then his love for Lois will be unparalleled in the future in SV verse, too. YMMV I hope I explained you well enough to answer your ‘how’ in this post from my POV.



ETA: Thank you for bearing my long English-kaput post!

[Fawbish]

But how? This is Smallville and Clark isn't defined by his relationship with Lois in Smallville. They have already changed the outcome by having Clark interact with Lois before he becomes Supes. They have already changed so many things about the mythos so their interpretation does impact the overall outcome of the mythos, at least from Smallivlle's interpretation.

It's not a matter of me thinking this version of Clark Kent will always be the RBB and never turn into Superman. From how TPTB have portrayed this version of Clark Kent I can see him being capable of settling for a woman just so he won't be alone. Even TW, the actor that plays Clark, has said Clark's biggest fear is ending up alone and not finding someone that will accept him. This wasn't the first time Clark has settled for the other woman when he couldn't have the one he really wanted. It's not out of character for this version of Clark Kent to do something like that because he has done it before. He's done it to Chloe, Alicia, Kyla, Jessie and numerous other random women throughout the show.

This version of Clark Kent is a womanizer and a heartbreaker.

And now he's doing the same thing to Lois what he's done in the past to the other women in his life. He's playing with her heart and emotions. This couldn't be better underscored than in Bride when he almost kissed Lois knowing he wasn't over his ex. You see Clark was rejected by Lana seven months earlier in Arctic in the Dear John, video she sent to him to break off their relationship. He then for seven months longed for and lusted after Lana by continuously watching the break up video and looking at old souvenirs and pictures that reminded him of Lana. He clearly wasn't over Lana, just yet. Then *BAM* in Bride after seeing his best friend marry her new found husband and appear to be blissfully happy with her new life without him being part of it. He started to warm up to Lois and almost kissed her. At the time Lana nor Chloe was an option for Clark so he settled for Lois while secretly still desiring Lana. In Bride Lois was Clark's rebound girl. He had been rejected by the love of his life seven months prior and hadn't dated anyone after their break up. He still yearned for Lana but because she was unavailable and wasn't an option for him he settled for second best with Lois in Bride after she expressed interest in him.

However, when Lana came back into Clark's life he dumped Lois and went with Lana. Lois was once again rejected by Clark for Lana. Now that Lana is no longer an option for Clark, according to spoilers, he's back at considering Lois. No, matter how you look at it this Lois will forever be Clark's rebound/second choice girl because he couldn't have the one he really wanted which was Lana.

Side note: Maxima didn't have a chance with Clark because he didn't know her and she didn't know him. Furthermore, why would he want to be with some outer space slut that killed innocent people to be with him?



SV is a modern interpretation of Supermans early years as Clark Kent.


Clark is certainly not a womaniser nor a heartbreaker. he's gives up everything and puts his own happiness and well being on the line to protect people.

So he accidentally hurts a few women that have feelings for him? These are adults, not love sick puppy children.


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[InAFlash]

Great post bigblueplanet. I don't entirely agree with you but you bring up some interesting points. I suppose we'll have to see if he explores the possibility of a cure for Lana in future episodes. If he does'nt do this and does'nt even mention her then I guess we have to assume he's moved on from her. I do agree that Supes would do anything to be with the woman he loves.

I think some may have gotten the impression I'm this huge Clana fan. This is'nt true. I like Clana because of how KK and TW performed on screen together. I was willing to accept it if TPTB showed me that Clark loved Lana above anyone else. But I've liked all the other adaptations of this story where he ends up with Lois. So if TPTB can show me Clois in a believable way I will definitely embrace it. Now with a S9 on the horizon I'm warmed up to the idea of seeing this and hoping TW and ED can show me the kind of chemistry I saw with KK and TW.

There have been many references since Lois arrived in S4 that suggest her and Clark share a special bond. Even Lana said to Clark when referring to a future relationship with Lois, "the good ones always start out that way." Jimmy clearly sees a strong connection between the two and the psychic in "Crimson" says "Something tells me Lois and Clark's destinies are a little more entwined than they realize." So if they can convince me that these two are indeed meant for each other and Lois is indeed the love of his life I will have to say they did'nt cheapen Clois.

However, the biggest problem I see with this is the fact that there's been every opportunity for them to hook up since she arrived in S4 and they've never even explored this possibility. Heck she lived in the same house with him and both were often single at the same time but nothing happened. It's difficult for me to believe that two people with this great connection would'nt even consider exploring the possibility of being together yet. And like Inkpen23 says Clark drops Lois like yesterdays new when Lana returns. Given that Clark and Lois have had plenty of opportunities to be together and have'nt even tried TPTB are going to have to convince me that these two have been denying their true feelings for one another all along. IMO sometimes two people can be in love but are afraid of those feelings. In other words, they're actually afraid of the experience of being in love so they'll deny it and run and hide from it. If they can convince me that Clark ran off to be with Lana not because he loved Lana more but because he was afraid of his feelings for Lois then I'll be satisfied that they're meant for each other.

An important thing to consider is the fact that Clark never gave the bracelet that Kyla gave him to Lana. It did'nt make sense in S5 because Clark was still keeping the big secret from Lana. However, if he felt that Lana was indeed the one for him why did'nt he give her the bracelet in S7? This shows he had his doubts. Of course this is all assuming that TPTB will show us the bracelet again. They brought back Lana's necklace so I'm assuming they will.

Anyway, great post again bigblueplanet. It's nice to know I'm not the only with this long posts. LOL

[myankskent]

I guess it's my turn...

It's not out of character for this version of Clark Kent to do something like that because he has done it before. He's done it to Chloe, Alicia, Kyla, Jessie and numerous other random women throughout the show.

This version of Clark Kent is a womanizer and a heartbreaker.


This is a little strong. It's not like Clark goes around intentionally trying to hurt the girls in his life. I just think that when it comes to Lana, Clark doesn't really think things through when it comes to how other girls might end up getting hurt.



However, when Lana came back into Clark's life he dumped Lois and went with Lana. Lois was once again rejected by Clark for Lana. Now that Lana is no longer an option for Clark, according to spoilers, he's back at considering Lois. No, matter how you look at it this Lois will forever be Clark's rebound/second choice girl because he couldn't have the one he really wanted which was Lana.


ITA here. IMO, this is just not a good situation that TPTB have put Clark in here. "Bulletproof" made it pretty clear that Clark was perfectly aware that something was going on between him and Lois and he chose to be with Lana because he loved her. I'm not going to judge Clark for making this choice because it was his choice to make, but to then revert back to Lois the minute that Lana is off the market is pretty bad. To me, the near kiss in "Bride" doesn't tell the whole story as far as Clark's concerned. "Bulletproof" is the key. After Chloe voiced her concerns about Lois, Clark didn't deny that something was going on. Instead, he made a choice and that choice is the reason why Clois has been destroyed for me. In order for me to get back on the Clois bandwagon, a cured Lana would need to return and Clark would have to show me that he wouldn't make an attempt to be with her.

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Yep. Again, it’s so true. But as I said in the beginning of my post, I’m not sure the word ’settle’ is appropriate in this situation. I hope you’ll tell me later about the usage of the word.


Yeah, I don't think that Clark will settle for Lois either. He will love her, it's just that if he had the opportunity to be with Lana, he'd choose her over Lois, unless Lana came back cured and Clark decided that he wanted Lois over Lana.

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So I just refuse (at this moment) to believe what you stated as a ‘fact’, because it really degrade Superman and the SV series as a whole for me. Can you imagine the universe where Superman is fighting global-level threats every day and is known timelessly beyond galaxy as the greatest hero of all time who influenced generations of future superheroes, BUT he settled with a rebound/second choice woman?

I would say, ‘Ouch’. :(


I would be right there with you, but unfortunately as far as Smallville goes, this will be a likely reality. Just to make this point clearer, Clark and Lex are enemies and in the Smallville universe, the hatred that they have for each other will always involve Lana Lang. There's no erasing it now and all "Requiem" did was solidify that fact, IMO.

[tj_powers]

I would be right there with you, but unfortunately as far as Smallville goes, this will be a likely reality. Just to make this point clearer, Clark and Lex are enemies and in the Smallville universe, the hatred that they have for each other will always involve Lana Lang. There's no erasing it now and all "Requiem" did was solidify that fact, IMO.


I cant fully agree with that one!! Clark and Lex started disliking each other before that... and the respect for one another even before... and then the trust... kaput in season 4. I think the whole point to Smallville was showing how Lex and Clark began a relationship that turned into foes. The entire time Lex was doubting Clark's every word which we cant blame since Clark was always hiding things. To Lex' mind, Clark was someone he couldnt trust simply because he lied alot. If YOU have a friend who lies threw their teeth on a daily basis... wouldnt u lose trust, respect and even your friendship to? I know I would... and have! Lana was a pond in their relationship that grew from bitter rivals to arch enemies! Lex in Smallville never fully embraced an evil role. He was just the extremist trying to help the world at ANY cost... some lives and whatnot, which really surprised me when HE would have planted a bomb at the Daily Planet... it wasnt his style at all... because it contradicted his entire character. He wasnt a psycho evil man... but a deranged misguided one.

[bigblueplanet]

Thanks, R (aka InAFlash)! I’m flattered being praised by a great debater like you. :)

When Requiem aired, I think the first reaction of all fans was “They cheapened Clois!!!” either it means you’re happy about it or you’re devastated about it. lol Well, to me it’s more like “They cheapened Clark” more than anything else but anyway if you cheapened Clark Kent you cheapen everything else. In other words, TPTB cheapened their own precious creation. IMO

But yep. Like you said, we’ll have to see future episodes to judge if they really did cheapen Clois or not. This is why I disagree with Inkpen23 in the first place. I don’t believe in ‘forever’ (i.e. apart from Superman mythos. lol), in anything from “I love you forever” to “Lois will forever be Clark's rebound/second choice girl because he couldn't have the one he really wanted which was Lana.” And as for the rest of your post, I have only one word for the answer. (You’re much more lucky than Inkpen23. lol ) = Blindness.

BTW, I’m also happy to see there’s posters who don’t mind reading (or just looking at) super-long posts. I knew you’ve been debating with Dominicus, but I didn’t get between you two because I didn’t want to distract neither of you. Nice speaking to you and I hope we’ll disagree on some issues in the future so that we can debate next time! :D


ETA: Oh, wait!!! I knew I forgot to tell you something. You mentioned the Kyla bracelet. I’m also pretty sure we’ll see it again just like Lana’s necklace you mentioned. (I think TPTB are aiming for some kind of parallel here. = Both women's jewelry and have significant meanings to Clark.)
But this is not the reason why I came back. I wanted to introduce you VERY funny Kyla bracelet’s animation gif (? I hope this is how you call it), which I just saw a couple of days ago at Clois relationship thread. Enjoy!

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Hi, Matt. I was disappointed to see that your ‘turn’ was ended with a short post at first but I’m glad it gets bit longer.

You think what Inkpen23 said was ‘a little strong’? Oh boy, I’m glad you never encountered my posts when this episode first aired. lol And about what you said regarding to Clois has been destroyed, let’s wait and see future episodes because you know as much as anyone else here that TPTB can pull off *cured Lana* in Offscreenville without having KK return for another episode. This leads to what you said in your post below.


I would be right there with you, but unfortunately as far as Smallville goes, this will be a likely reality. Just to make this point clearer, Clark and Lex are enemies and in the Smallville universe, the hatred that they have for each other will always involve Lana Lang. There's no erasing it now and all "Requiem" did was solidify that fact, IMO.

If Lana will be cured AND if Clark will be more than happy to be with Lois (or probably he is not yet with Lois but completely aware that he loves her like he has never loved anyone else before) by the time, then this “OH this bastard son of b**** who destroyed my relationship with Lana!!!” would be nullified and back to their normal archenemy dynamic, right? (Maybe Clark will even think Lex did a great favor by separating him from Lana. lol )
So there can be ‘erasing’ at this point especially now that S9 is confirmed, TPTB will have enough time to do damage controls on anything which they tarnished by themselves. I don’t know about you but I regain full of positiveness as time passes. (or you can say, back to naiveness. :p ) After all, if they cheapened Clois, they'll put themselves in a tight squeeze for the rest of the series.

So let’s see how they manage to save their butts out of this one, shall we? *evil grins*

[Dyanara]

Why does Clark have to choose Lois over Lana is some future episode. I would hope that Lois won't give him the time of day and Clark's feelings will grow for her as hers dwindle for him. But while they are growing he starts a relationship with someone else and chooses that person over Lana.

[Kevin24]

I just want to say something and I know there have been pages and pages of replies since I've last posted on this thread, but here it goes anyway.

I know most of us know that in the future Lois and Clark will be madly in love and married to each other. We also know that Lois will be a world famous reporter and Clark will be known to the world as Superman.

Anyway, I'm just saying that in Smallville Lois and Clark have no idea what their end result is but we do. Clark isn't deeply in love with Lois yet but he was/is starting to develop feelings for her. Lois is in love with Clark but she is still conflicted about her feelings for him.

I really believe that they have not cheapened their relationship because for one there is no relationship between them yet. We can't compare Lana and Clark's romantic relationship to Lois and Clark's yet because there is nothing to compare it too. Clark is not even in love with Lois yet....

This is why I don't know why people expected Clark to push his feelings aside for Lana to stay true to Lois. Clark doesn't know that Lois is his soulmate and in fact it is still probably weird for him to even consider Lois romantically because of how she has teased him throughout the time they have known each other.

Clark is in love with Lana RIGHT NOW, at this moment in time, but that won't always hold true. Will he always hold a special place in his heart for Lana? Yeah because she is his first love.

Anyway, I don't even remember where I was going with this because I was interrupted by a phone call that ran a little to long.....

I just think the posters who believe that Lois is second best are jumping to conclusions because of the last couple of episodes. I just want people to realize something that you all were 10x more upset after the actual episode and now that time has passed your anger towards the episode has faded and it isn't as upsetting anymore.....

Well that is how it will be for Clark and his feelings for Lana.....they are intense now but they will eventually fade and just be a memory that he will look back to fondly when he is married to the love of his life Lois Lane aka Lois Kent.:D

[InAFlash]

Thanks bigblueplanet, I'd love to discuss the show or Superman with you sometime.




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[Hobbes829]

I just want to say something and I know there have been pages and pages of replies since I've last posted on this thread, but here it goes anyway.

I know most of us know that in the future Lois and Clark will be madly in love and married to each other. We also know that Lois will be a world famous reporter and Clark will be known to the world as Superman.

Anyway, I'm just saying that in Smallville Lois and Clark have no idea what their end result is but we do. Clark isn't deeply in love with Lois yet but he was/is starting to develop feelings for her. Lois is in love with Clark but she is still conflicted about her feelings for him.

I really believe that they have not cheapened their relationship because for one there is no relationship between them yet. We can't compare Lana and Clark's romantic relationship to Lois and Clark's yet because there is nothing to compare it too. Clark is not even in love with Lois yet....

This is why I don't know why people expected Clark to push his feelings aside for Lana to stay true to Lois. Clark doesn't know that Lois is his soulmate and in fact it is still probably weird for him to even consider Lois romantically because of how she has teased him throughout the time they have known each other.

Clark is in love with Lana RIGHT NOW, at this moment in time, but that won't always hold true. Will he always hold a special place in his heart for Lana? Yeah because she is his first love.

Anyway, I don't even remember where I was going with this because I was interrupted by a phone call that ran a little to long.....

I just think the posters who believe that Lois is second best are jumping to conclusions because of the last couple of episodes. I just want people to realize something that you all were 10x more upset after the actual episode and now that time has passed your anger towards the episode has faded and it isn't as upsetting anymore.....

Well that is how it will be for Clark and his feelings for Lana.....they are intense now but they will eventually fade and just be a memory that he will look back to fondly when he is married to the love of his life Lois Lane aka Lois Kent.:D
You hit the nail on the head!

[tj_powers]

lol wow

[bigblueplanet]

Why does Clark have to choose Lois over Lana is some future episode. I would hope that Lois won't give him the time of day and Clark's feelings will grow for her as hers dwindle for him. But while they are growing he starts a relationship with someone else and chooses that person over Lana.

IMO, because if Clark moves on to another woman it’ll be Alicia/or/Kyla/or/Chloe 2.0 all over again because we know this relationship won’t work out in the end. Besides, it makes Clark literally rebounding to his second choice girl because his first choice is not available (AGAIN). It could have worked if it was S4, S5, S6, or S7 ( heck even in this season!) but I think it’s too late to introduce new love interest for Clark at this stage of the game. YMMV

When I said ‘future episodes’, I didn’t mean it’ll be one of episodes from S8 or the beginning of S9. We (Clark, too) need time for the transition at a natural pace. I think what his character needs for his love-life department from now on is that he realizes there’s greater love for him out there (namely Lois). Apart from that, I really think Clark needs to stay single for the rest of the series.

If they introduce Lori Lemaris in S9? I would say it’s possible that Clark would love her more than he loved Lana, but where this relationship is heading is a dead end, too. I’m pretty sure it’ll be angst-free relationship and much more fun to watch, but not-so-good part of this idea is at the end of the day we all start wondering if Lois will end up as his third choice in the Futureville. lol

But that’s just my two cents.

[magic]

Side note: Maxima didn't have a chance with Clark because he didn't know her and she didn't know him. Furthermore, why would he want to be with some outer space slut that killed innocent people to be with him?
you have to admit it was a good match though. :)
he could have left with her to Almerac where he wouldn't have to hide who he really is and live as royalty with someone that is his equal. something he'll never find on Earth.

[Hobbes829]

IMO, because if Clark moves on to another woman it’ll be Alicia/or/Kyla/or/Chloe 2.0 all over again because we know this relationship won’t work out in the end. Besides, it makes Clark literally rebounding to his second choice girl because his first choice is not available (AGAIN). It could have worked if it was S4, S5, S6, or S7 ( heck even in this season!) but I think it’s too late to introduce new love interest for Clark at this stage of the game. YMMV

When I said ‘future episodes’, I didn’t mean it’ll be one of episodes from S8 or the beginning of S9. We (Clark, too) need time for the transition at a natural pace. I think what his character needs for his love-life department from now on is that he realizes there’s greater love for him out there (namely Lois). Apart from that, I really think Clark needs to stay single for the rest of the series.

If they introduce Lori Lemaris in S9? I would say it’s possible that Clark would love her more than he loved Lana, but where this relationship is heading is a dead end, too. I’m pretty sure it’ll be angst-free relationship and much more fun to watch, but not-so-good part of this idea is at the end of the day we all start wondering if Lois will end up as his third choice in the Futureville. lol

But that’s just my two cents.
Lana and he weren't in a healthy relationship. Lois and his will be. In time he'll see that, and love lois even more.

[tj_powers]

Lana and he weren't in a healthy relationship. Lois and his will be. In time he'll see that, and love lois even more.

I couldnt agree more. I like Lana, but she never gave Clark a reason to trust her since the very beginning. Clark's infatuation to her was based on her looks from the dead start. She pushed him to reveal his secret more than anyone else and threatened to leave him so many times just because he had something to hide and no matter how many times he explained to her that he wasnt ready to reveal such a big secret. She has been conniving about how she found out about his secret and how when she dated Lex she became almost cruel and evil to all her friends because of Lex... and after her relationship to Lex... she jumped back in Clark's arms and expected everything to be ok from there... and yet wanted to kill Lex and have constant revenge towards him. And her leaving Clark (and i dont care if the DVD was a planned kidnapping) was over the line from her as for someoen who says loves him she could haqve come back to him once she was freed... but yet she kept wanting revenge on Lex and stole a suit to copy Clark and have what he had... and it cost her in the end. But notice how more than devestated he was... and she cried but ran off like a scared puppy. I think Lana's character pointed out all the things Clark should have stayed away from but was attracted to the most because of the opposites. In the case of Lois... shes totally oblivious to Clark's abilities which when she knows shell be more in awe than curious and power-hungry

[bigblueplanet]

Lana and he weren't in a healthy relationship. Lois and his will be. In time he'll see that, and love lois even more.

I don’t know why you quote my post for saying this, Robert. :confused:

But I just wanna say ‘YES I agree’ to Clana relationship part and YES again to Clois part. And with that last part that Clark will love her even more? Well, ‘even more’ , IMO, is not really accurate way to describe their future love. I think it’ll be something ‘unimaginably’ more! *inserts colliding stars image here*

[tj_powers]

I have a strange feeling that SV will show that epic and popular seen where the first time Clark will fly is because of his love for Lois and takes her up for the ride. I dunno its a gut feeling I have considering their relationship hasnt started and he has yet to learn to fly.

[rajman]

depends how much time has gone after requiem in smallville years, other than that clark must have realised after 8 freakin seasons that he is not the one for lana and he must now face that, inside he knows that he cant even get close to lana or he will die.

[tj_powers]

lol well thats like saying dont eat that piece of cheesecake because you'll die... u just want it more dont u...

[Dyanara]

IMO, because if Clark moves on to another woman it’ll be Alicia/or/Kyla/or/Chloe 2.0 all over again because we know this relationship won’t work out in the end. Besides, it makes Clark literally rebounding to his second choice girl because his first choice is not available (AGAIN). It could have worked if it was S4, S5, S6, or S7 ( heck even in this season!) but I think it’s too late to introduce new love interest for Clark at this stage of the game. YMMV

When I said ‘future episodes’, I didn’t mean it’ll be one of episodes from S8 or the beginning of S9. We (Clark, too) need time for the transition at a natural pace. I think what his character needs for his love-life department from now on is that he realizes there’s greater love for him out there (namely Lois). Apart from that, I really think Clark needs to stay single for the rest of the series.

If they introduce Lori Lemaris in S9? I would say it’s possible that Clark would love her more than he loved Lana, but where this relationship is heading is a dead end, too. I’m pretty sure it’ll be angst-free relationship and much more fun to watch, but not-so-good part of this idea is at the end of the day we all start wondering if Lois will end up as his third choice in the Futureville. lol

But that’s just my two cents.


I respectfully disagree with that. I dont believe in Clark's entire life it will only be Lana or Lois, I am of the opinion that he could have many relationships and they could be true relationships with true feelings and they just dont work out. Im sure many people in their live have had numerous relationships where they thought they were truely in love and just because it didnt end happily ever after doesnt mean those feelings weren't real. Imo Clark could get over Lana with any girl and it would be fine because gosh darnit he will finally be over Lana. Or maybe Clark shouldnt choose any girl over Lana and he should just man up and realize the two of them suck together and put the dead horse in a grave without any new hottie on his arm.

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I have a strange feeling that SV will show that epic and popular seen where the first time Clark will fly is because of his love for Lois and takes her up for the ride. I dunno its a gut feeling I have considering their relationship hasnt started and he has yet to learn to fly.

I personally have a Neo flying to save Trinity scenario in my head.:o

[ooglebug]

hallo, just going to add what i think to this...
erm
ok firstly, a kind of cynical view: basically, the way I see it is that as much as I would like to watch smallville and believe in the storylines and characters and their lives I often feel that there is a lack of continuity - e.g. in bulletproof, clarks almost matter of fact admittance of something between him and lois, especially to Chloe!, doesnt seem quite right given his and lois' previous relationship in basically the whole of smallville so far. also just little things dont seem to flow and you never get to see things such as clark's feelings towards lois until the almost kiss. [ok those points are clois based but there are some other examples]
soooo you kind of have to analyse their lines and how they interact and draw your own conclusions, just like when u read a book, and so kind of create your own version of smallville. SOOOO the point im trying to make is, I know in Requiem it might have come off as Clark loving Lana forever, there is no point feeling betrayed or upset that clois has lost out but instead just adapt it to how u want to see it, just as some people are doing, and then you are happy! :D
I know it seems an obvious point to make but i just wanted to say - its not real! you can just ignore bits you dont like or whatever.

erm ye sorry if you thought that was patronsiing or pointless but i hope some people found it useful or interesting.

my second point is kinda in agreement with the peeps above. Lois and Clark is the future; we havnt seen their story yet. the producers know their destiny and their iconic status just as we do so hopefully theyll work it out.
though il be disappointed if they dont manage to work anything in that even vaguely suggests Clark and Lois have a stronger relationship & bond than lana.

erm sooo yep. :\ xxxxx

[Hobbes829]

hallo, just going to add what i think to this...
erm
ok firstly, a kind of cynical view: basically, the way I see it is that as much as I would like to watch smallville and believe in the storylines and characters and their lives I often feel that there is a lack of continuity - e.g. in bulletproof, clarks almost matter of fact admittance of something between him and lois, especially to Chloe!, doesnt seem quite right given his and lois' animosity in basically the whole of smallville so far. also just little things dont seem to flow and you never get to see things such as clark's feelings towards lois until the almost kiss. [ok those points are clois based but there are some other examples]
soooo you kind of have to analyse their lines and how they interact and draw your own conclusions, just like when u read a book, and so kind of create your own version of smallville. SOOOO the point im trying to make is, I know in Requiem it might have come off as Clark loving Lana forever, there is no point feeling betrayed or upset that clois has lost out but instead just adapt it to how u want to see it, just as some people are doing, and then you are happy! :D
I know it seems an obvious point to make but i just wanted to say - its not real! you can just ignore bits you dont like or whatever.

erm ye sorry if you thought that was patronsiing or pointless but i hope some people found it useful or interesting.

my second point is kinda in agreement with the peeps above. Lois and Clark is the future; we havnt seen their story yet. the producers know their destiny and their iconic status just as we do so hopefully theyll work it out.
though il be disappointed if they dont manage to work anything in that even vaguely suggests Clark and Lois have a stronger relationship & bond than lana.

erm sooo yep. :\ xxxxx
There's no animosity. It's school yard antics 101. They are basically pulling eachothers hair and pushing eachother down because they have feelings for one another.

[tj_powers]

well we have a season 9 to look forward to and what... 9 episodes left this season? plenty of time to make things plenty interesting!

[bigblueplanet]

I respectfully disagree with that. I dont believe in Clark's entire life it will only be Lana or Lois, I am of the opinion that he could have many relationships and they could be true relationships with true feelings and they just dont work out. Im sure many people in their live have had numerous relationships where they thought they were truely in love and just because it didnt end happily ever after doesnt mean those feelings weren't real. Imo Clark could get over Lana with any girl and it would be fine because gosh darnit he will finally be over Lana. Or maybe Clark shouldnt choose any girl over Lana and he should just man up and realize the two of them suck together and put the dead horse in a grave without any new hottie on his arm.



So, are you saying you don’t believe in Mythos? :confused: Because if you know Mythos, you know Clark’s entire life was with Lana, Lori and Lois. Period. I mean he had flirted with Cat Grant for some time and even let her kiss him once, but their date was always onesidely set up by Cat. I’m sure many readers even wouldn’t call it a ‘date’.

Now, about Lana. Clark had brotherly feelings for Lana even back in high school years when Superman comic was rebooted back in 1986. But then after 2003 the Lana/Clark relationship was ret-conned to be more reciprocal, and the writers implied they had a deeper relationship. This probably will be more clarified in the soon-to-be-published ‘Superman: Secret Origin” which written by Geoff Jones. So we’ll see.

Oh, and Clark did have relationships with other women but he was under the control of Darkseid. So I won’t count those women either. And also he kissed Wonder Woman in one issue back in 80’s but I don’t know whether or not this incident was ret-conned. Either case he decided not to give a shot with her soon after that kiss.

So it IS canon. You don’t believe Clark had only a few women in his entire life but in fact he did. I know many people want to see Clark/Superman having relationships with many other women & fellow superheroines. Sure he can have any women on earth or in any other planets if he wants to, cos he’s freaking Superman, right? But he chose not to do so, and this is what makes him stand out from other superheroes, too. And IMHO, I think they shouldn’t change this aspect of Clark Kent/Superman because if they do, he’ll be "not very much Superman-like" in our eyes. (YMMV)

If you only talk about Smallville canon and think this version of Clark Kent is a womanizer like another poster just said, then it’s a totally different story here. But as I was saying repeatedly in my posts that if TPTB won’t change the ‘outcome’ of Clark Kent at the end of the series, I still believe this SVClark will line up right up to where the Clark Kent in Mythos, whom I was talking about. Well, they have totally different boyhoods so certainly it'll not exactly be the same but hopefully……….almost. You just can’t take this aspect away from him because it’s one of the significant qualities which defines Clark Kent. YMMV

So, I respectfully disagree with you, too.

[rebecavaldez]

It sucks to know she is most likely his rebound girl

[Watching Smallville]

I don't see Lois as Clark's Rebound Girl any more than I see Clark as Lois's Rebound Guy after Lois broke up w Oliver. Lana and Oliver are both past love affairs that will always be second best.

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well we have a season 9 to look forward to and what... 9 episodes left this season? plenty of time to make things plenty interesting!

Did they definitely decide to go ahead w season nine?

[Mickey_Bickey]

Please reread my post. We can't say with accuracy what Red-K does to Clark. Do you trust what Martha or Alicia believe it does to him? Or do you believe Clark when he says it makes me do things I don't want to do? If we are to assume that it just lowers his inhibitions then this opens up a whole new can of worms. You then have to explain away all of Clark's past actions while on Red-K and still make him look like the hero of the story.

I honestly don't know what happens to Clark when he's on Red-K. I believe he turns evil but I don't know for sure. He's acted so unpredictably while on Red-K that I don't think anyone can accurately determine what his intentions are. That's why I personally would not base any discussion of Clark's intentions on what he was doing while on Red-K. You're of course free to do this but IMO it does'nt strengthen your point.

I just saw this and wanted to comment on it. RedK makes Clark "lose his inhibitions", and Martha pointed that out to him. How did he look like a the hero of the story while on RedK? Johnathan had to basically get powers to bring him back down to earth so to speak, and Martha had to pull green K on him to stop him from stangling Lex so that he wouldn't marry Lana.

At the end of Crimson, it was clear from the conversation with Martha that it didn't change who Clark was, but that there must have been truth behind his actions. Clark didn't see it that way until Martha pointed it out to him.

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It sucks to know she is most likely his rebound girl

Lois Lane is not his rebound anything. She's the love of his life, and once he commits to her there is no other woman after her.

[Dyanara]

So, are you saying you don’t believe in Mythos? :confused: Because if you know Mythos, you know Clark’s entire life was with Lana, Lori and Lois. Period. I mean he had flirted with Cat Grant for some time and even let her kiss him once, but their date was always onesidely set up by Cat. I’m sure many readers even wouldn’t call it a ‘date’.

Now, about Lana. Clark had brotherly feelings for Lana even back in high school years when Superman comic was rebooted back in 1986. But then after 2003 the Lana/Clark relationship was ret-conned to be more reciprocal, and the writers implied they had a deeper relationship. This probably will be more clarified in the soon-to-be-published ‘Superman: Secret Origin” which written by Geoff Jones. So we’ll see.

Oh, and Clark did have relationships with other women but he was under the control of Darkseid. So I won’t count those women either. And also he kissed Wonder Woman in one issue back in 80’s but I don’t know whether or not this incident was ret-conned. Either case he decided not to give a shot with her soon after that kiss.

So it IS canon. You don’t believe Clark had only a few women in his entire life but in fact he did. I know many people want to see Clark/Superman having relationships with many other women & fellow superheroines. Sure he can have any women on earth or in any other planets if he wants to, cos he’s freaking Superman, right? But he chose not to do so, and this is what makes him stand out from other superheroes, too. And IMHO, I think they shouldn’t change this aspect of Clark Kent/Superman because if they do, he’ll be "not very much Superman-like" in our eyes. (YMMV)

If you only talk about Smallville canon and think this version of Clark Kent is a womanizer like another poster just said, then it’s a totally different story here. But as I was saying repeatedly in my posts that if TPTB won’t change the ‘outcome’ of Clark Kent at the end of the series, I still believe this SVClark will line up right up to where the Clark Kent in Mythos, whom I was talking about. Well, they have totally different boyhoods so certainly it'll not exactly be the same but hopefully……….almost. You just can’t take this aspect away from him because it’s one of the significant qualities which defines Clark Kent. YMMV

So, I respectfully disagree with you, too.

Isnt it obvious that this show is not mythos. The only thing that I truly care about in the comic books is that Clark ends up with Lois, Clark is Superman...and that's it. This show has proven once again that it is not the "mythos" plainly showing that by having him once again choosing Lana over Lois. There is nothing about Smallville's Clark Kent that is anything like the iconic Clark Kent. I am just trying to write stories in my head so I dont pull my hair out from the crap this show has fed us.

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I don't see Lois as Clark's Rebound Girl any more than I see Clark as Lois's Rebound Guy after Lois broke up w Oliver. Lana and Oliver are both past love affairs that will always be second best.

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Did they definitely decide to go ahead w season nine?

Yes there is a seson 9, I even heard rumors of a season 10. If they go there I might have to go Tanya Harding on someone.

[InAFlash]

I just saw this and wanted to comment on it. RedK makes Clark "lose his inhibitions", and Martha pointed that out to him. How did he look like a the hero of the story while on RedK? Johnathan had to basically get powers to bring him back down to earth so to speak, and Martha had to pull green K on him to stop him from stangling Lex so that he wouldn't marry Lana.

At the end of Crimson, it was clear from the conversation with Martha that it didn't change who Clark was, but that there must have been truth behind his actions. Clark didn't see it that way until Martha pointed it out to him.

You are correct. When I wrote this post I was'nt sure exactly of the effects of Red-K. Dominicus pointed out to me what the effects of Red-K are. I did'nt want to believe it at first but I've since changed my view on this. I also read an interview with TW where he says that Clark is aware of the consequences of his actions while on Red-K and therefore responsible for them. However, I never said he was a hero on Red-K that was taken out of context. He's definitely not a hero while on Red-K.

Thanks for responding Mickey_Bickey.

[bigblueplanet]

Isnt it obvious that this show is not mythos. The only thing that I truly care about in the comic books is that Clark ends up with Lois, Clark is Superman...and that's it. This show has proven once again that it is not the "mythos" plainly showing that by having him once again choosing Lana over Lois. There is nothing about Smallville's Clark Kent that is anything like the iconic Clark Kent. I am just trying to write stories in my head so I dont pull my hair out from the crap this show has fed us.

Yes. It IS obvious but it doesn’t mean "everything is possible" and the show keeps derailing further away, unless TPTB declare once and for all that “This is AU so ANYTHING can happen in this show!”. On the contrary, as the show approach more and more towards its end, I think TPTB will have to work on to get it back on track. YMMV
I know you and I are coming from different places so we tend to disagree, but I’d like to tell you one more thing after I read your latest comment. Please bear with me.

I’m not debating to prove I’m right and you’re wrong, but I’m debating to advocate Clark’s integrity and every other single thing which makes him of the iconic self. I know you said you didn’t read “all these paragraphs” but if you pay attention to the posts which I disagree with, it’s always the one which states that “Clark is X and Y now, so he will always be X and Y in the future”, or “This is SVClark so anything is possible in the future.”

So I disagree with your first post because if Clark starts a relationship with someone else and chooses that person over Lana while he has feelings for Lois and according to spoilers he’ll certainly have more and more, he will look fickle and I don’t want him to look bad more than he already does. And I disagree with your second post again and explained you why in my last post regarding to the part that “he could have many relationships”. But also the part you brought up again saying;


Imo Clark could get over Lana with any girl and it would be fine because gosh darnit he will finally be over Lana. Or maybe Clark shouldnt choose any girl over Lana and he should just man up and realize the two of them suck together and put the dead horse in a grave without any new hottie on his arm.

......while I wholeheartedly agree with the latter, I disagree with the former. Again, because of the same reason. It won’t be believable given the history of how he has been portrayed over the years (now I’m merely talking about SV canon), so if Lana is not in the picture these *any girls* he choose now would look like second choices anyway even if his feelings towards these girls are *true*. Because if she is someone so good and lovable who makes him finally forget & over Lana, then why he’ll dump her in the future for Lois? SV canon showed us Clark’s strong love for Lana all these years. I think the only way which is believably imaginable for him to get over Lana, IMO, is his love for Lois. YMMV

The long paragraphs into short, I don’t want Clark to look bad. I hope we’ve seen the worst of him already and hope his character will only evolve to be better (a LOT better) from now on so that we all will recognize him as THE iconic Clark Kent before series end.

[Mickey_Bickey]

You are correct. When I wrote this post I was'nt sure exactly of the effects of Red-K. Dominicus pointed out to me what the effects of Red-K are. I did'nt want to believe it at first but I've since changed my view on this. I also read an interview with TW where he says that Clark is aware of the consequences of his actions while on Red-K and therefore responsible for them. However, I never said he was a hero on Red-K that was taken out of context. He's definitely not a hero while on Red-K.

Thanks for responding Mickey_Bickey. So you're from Boston? I'm from Western Mass.

I wish TW would give more interviews!! Yes, I'm from Boston, Brighton specifically. What part of Western Mass? My nieces might go to UMASS Amherst. My cousin lives in Leonminster (also from Boston/Allston).

I loved that conversation with Martha at the end of Crimson. I really miss her character on the show. I hope they bring her back for a few episodes next season. I'm glad Dominicus shed some light on the Red K. I always thought the way you did until that conversation at the end of Crimson. I would have liked to have seen that interview with TW. Hopefully, we get another one from him soon now that S9 has been announced.

[InAFlash]

I wish TW would give more interviews!! Yes, I'm from Boston, Brighton specifically. What part of Western Mass? My nieces might go to UMASS Amherst. My cousin lives in Leonminster (also from Boston/Allston).

I loved that conversation with Martha at the end of Crimson. I really miss her character on the show. I hope they bring her back for a few episodes next season. I'm glad Dominicus shed some light on the Red K. I always thought the way you did until that conversation at the end of Crimson. I would have liked to have seen that interview with TW. Hopefully, we get another one from him soon now that S9 has been announced.

LOL I was in Amherst on Thurs. They have great pizza there.

Anyway, thanks for letting me correct myself on the Red-K issue. I'm stubborn but I usually come around when someone shows me the error of my ways.

Yeah it would be nice if TW would give more interviews. I have all the DVDs but there's not a lot of commentary from TW on any of the episodes.

[Dyanara]

IM sorry but relationships for me dont work like that and that might be why we disagree. A person can love various girls or guys in their life and just because it doesnt work doesnt mean it wasn't a true relationship. Why does a nameless girl have to be dumped for Lois, they can just drift apart and show Clark's maturity by accepting the failure of a relationship without clinging to a sinking ship. I dont see human beings as either or and every relationship Clark has can just build him up to the man Lois deserves. Your defending Clark and I find that admirable, I personally find nothing appealing about him lately and I dont think he deserves Lois or Lana. I think that is why we are not agreeing; plus I dont believe that the writers won't make Clark look even worse, they've been doing it for years.My big thing is I dont want him to choose Lois over Lana because I don't want Lois to be in a relationship with him any time soon.

[bigblueplanet]

IM sorry but relationships for me dont work like that and that might be why we disagree. A person can love various girls or guys in their life and just because it doesnt work doesnt mean it wasn't a true relationship. Why does a nameless girl have to be dumped for Lois, they can just drift apart and show Clark's maturity by accepting the failure of a relationship without clinging to a sinking ship. I dont see human beings as either or and every relationship Clark has can just build him up to the man Lois deserves. Your defending Clark and I find that admirable, I personally find nothing appealing about him lately and I dont think he deserves Lois or Lana. I think that is why we are not agreeing; plus I dont believe that the writers won't make Clark look even worse, they've been doing it for years.My big thing is I dont want him to choose Lois over Lana because I don't want Lois to be in a relationship with him any time soon.

OK. Our discussion starts to go around the circle so I guess this is a good time to shake our hands and agree to disagree. Lol

I agree with many things you said in this post, though. I also think relationships usually don’t work like the way I explained (for any other fictional TV/comic characters), especially not in real life, I also find nothing appealing about him lately, and I don't want Lois to be in a relationship with him any time soon either.

It’s just my wishful thinking that we would recognize the Clark Kent we all love and adore in the near future…….not in the last seconds of the series final, you know what I mean? ;)

[tj_powers]

Did they definitely decide to go ahead w season nine?

Yes they said so on kryptonsite.com it seems most of the cast has been confirmed to stay except for one which i guess they are not saying to spoil the ending of season 8 or start on 9

[Mickey_Bickey]

LOL I was in Amherst on Thurs. They have great pizza there. I'm from Pittsfield which is in Berkshire County.

Anyway, thanks for letting me correct myself on the Red-K issue. I'm stubborn but I usually come around when someone shows me the error of my ways.

Yeah it would be nice if TW would give more interviews. I have all the DVDs but there's not a lot of commentary from TW on any of the episodes.

Hey, if everyone on this site had the same opinion it would be boring as hell!:lol: I would love to see TW on the Bonnie Hunt Show! He starred with her in the Cheaper By The Dozen movies, and she's interviewed ED and JH on there.

[tj_powers]

i think TW is a quiet person in real life. look at how muscular he got... i think he stays home and trains on his own lol and take a look at how many pictures u can find of him. I was looking to make a few wallpapers for this site but the quantity is very very limited!

[doomsday1215]

will all be forgiben in finale?.. only time will tell..

[BigT]

Clark will always love Lana more?

#1) Who cares? As long as there not together then that's all that matters! It's about time this joke of a relationship ended! It was way over due.

#2) Clark will get over Lana in time! Ppl shouldn't assume that he'll always love Lana more. If that was the case Clark would find a way to be with her again. There just not meant to be and that's the bottomline!

#3) No MATTER was this show tries to tell us, we always know that Lois Lane will ALWAYS be the TRUE love of Clark Kent's/Superman's life! End of story!

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

They did?

[Supermania]

In this particular case, the option of having Clark 'hit' on Lois, even after his recent break-up with Lana, was an admirable one for the show's survival. The writers wanted to make it absolutely clear that Clois was the main love story of Season Eight as opposed to having Clark mope continually over Lana's departure. The plot this episode would have certainly attracted a lot of viewers.

[doodie8808]

I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CLANA ARC! they were poision to each other.
i personally don't think clois was messed with but jmo now ok i thought the arc was full circle because it showed that no matter how hard they try something they are not meant to be. They were never really together that long and when they were they were not happy! i think is not this plot something else would have broken them up!I think if they wanted a cure Jor-el could have found one. now that clark is training in season 9 i think it will show his mistakes and how he will better himself. i am glad that tptb did not make clana out of love in 7 months it would be unrealistic not saying that their relationship was not. tbtp has said that clana is over brcause she no longer can help him in the stage clark is in now! lois is as i see he always had some very important adult moments with her. i think nnow that clark is away from everyone he will reevalute himself and realize what he missed out on. As he fall for Lois Lois will go the opposite way leading into the future. clana to me was a lesson in letting go but they did not do that so they had to learn in a very hard way. now that the rose colored glasses are off clark will man up to what is his place in life! I DO NOT FEEL LOIS IS SECOND PLACE BECAUSE THEY ONLY JUST FIgTURED OUT FEELINGS FOR ONE ANOTHER BUT CK WILL HAVE TO WORK FOR HER MAKING HER THE LOVE OF HIS LIFE. you have to finish what you started before moving to something else! (speaking from personal experience)

[wildcherryx-]

I dont think it messed things up with Clois tbh. Sure it was annoyed as hell when Lana showed up and interrupted the almost clois kiss. But when I think about it, i think it might be better in the long run? To build up the chase and the relationship. I mean, if it was easy where's the fun in that? :)

I think the fact that Lana is now poison to Clark is the final push for him to have closure and to finally move on and accept they're not meant for each other.

Now that Lana is out of the picture for good, Clark will realise what's been in front of him all along :)

[ox007]

This thread was started a long time before when people were angry (ok Clana fans were happy maybe) :), and back then I thought yeah they cheapened Clois! But right now, I'm a little older and smarter ;) and after the second half of season 8 an after watching trailers and reading spoilers from season 9 i say no way! It all can be repaired. Sure they ended Clana arc the worst way they could, but after watching the progression of Clois, I say CK will forget about loving Lana quite soon, TBTB can fix it now IMO, so

don't worry, be happy! :)

[4815162342LOST]

LMFAO i never really thought about like this, THAT IS AWESOME

[Mrs. Superman]

WELL I'm glad they resolved this with the picture out of the wallet and officially in the closed book. My what another season can do to change everything. I didn't think they'd be able to pull it off after the P/R mess, but they did that and much more! And thank God for that! :D

[Dresden]

Besides regressing Clark Kent, which is what infuriated me the most, the arc basically allowed Lex Luthor to win. Yes, Lex Luthor the man who manipulated, abused, and made Lana's life a living hell when they were married together got the last laugh and actually was the cause of Lana and Clark needing to part.

I can't believe the writer's didn't realize the implications of Lana putting in that ridiculous suit. She basically became Lex Luthor's property for life. So even from his grave, Lex continues his abuse of Lana who will forever be a pawn in his game.

So no, the Lana arc didn't cheapen Clois. Clois thankfully had nothing to do with that terrible arc. Clois is just happening now and it's happening in a healthy, productive way. The Lana arc cheapened Lana Lang and regressed Clark Kent for a few episodes. That's all it did.

[kristintaps]

Ya, I agree it was weird watching Clark really regress last season... but now he's gettin' it!

[LoveHurts38]

So no, the Lana arc didn't cheapen Clois. Clois thankfully had nothing to do with that terrible arc. Clois is just happening now and it's happening in a healthy, productive way. The Lana arc cheapened Lana Lang and regressed Clark Kent for a few episodes. That's all it did.

It sure did.

[4815162342LOST]

So no, the Lana arc didn't cheapen Clois. Clois thankfully had nothing to do with that terrible arc. Clois is just happening now and it's happening in a healthy, productive way. The Lana arc cheapened Lana Lang and regressed Clark Kent for a few episodes. That's all it did.

Not sure about that, Lana was nice and didn't force Clark to do anything, he came to the talon in 'bulletproof'. It was his decision. Nothing to do with Lana. I don't understand how it cheapened Lana, imo it actually made her a better character, showing that she's not a timid little girl anymore. By the looks of this board, Lana didn't really have much to lose in terms of popularity anyway.
Clois is advancing extremely fast, and i know alot of people are excited about that, but for me it's just not believable enough yet. There was bearly any indication up until season 8 of any relationship between them. And it only took 5 episodes into that season for Lois to declare her love for Clark, i'm sorry but that is really bad writing.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Besides regressing Clark Kent, which is what infuriated me the most, the arc basically allowed Lex Luthor to win. Yes, Lex Luthor the man who manipulated, abused, and made Lana's life a living hell when they were married together got the last laugh and actually was the cause of Lana and Clark needing to part.

I can't believe the writer's didn't realize the implications of Lana putting in that ridiculous suit. She basically became Lex Luthor's property for life. So even from his grave, Lex continues his abuse of Lana who will forever be a pawn in his game.

So no, the Lana arc didn't cheapen Clois. Clois thankfully had nothing to do with that terrible arc. Clois is just happening now and it's happening in a healthy, productive way. The Lana arc cheapened Lana Lang and regressed Clark Kent for a few episodes. That's all it did.

I know, Lana left like a hero wannabe instead of the empowered woman she should have been. It was pathetic, and the way it made Clark look was regression at it's worst. All we wanted to see and thought would happen was that they would part friends in a mature, adult like manner. It could have finally shown Clark letting go like he did in Rabid. Content, happy, appreciating the memories, but ready to move on and embrace a relationship with Lois Lane. Ah, what could have been! *cringes at how it actually ended and how ridiculous it was*

I really wish the writers strike hadn't happened, so that KK would have fulfilled her obligations in S7. That way S8 would have had a great flow to it, and they wouldn't have had to slow things down between Clark and Lois. It would have just been seamless like it should have been.

Clois wasn't cheapened. It was slowed down to respect and keep both Clark and Lois' characters intact and hold their dignity. Unfortunately, the same can never be said about Lana's. Anyway, it's done with now, and at least Clark never looked back.

[4815162342LOST]

Question here
Would you still root for Lois and Clark if it wasn't them in the mythos?

[Jade4813]

Question here
Would you still root for Lois and Clark if it wasn't them in the mythos?

Yes. Absolutely. Without a doubt. For many reasons.

As for Lana, while I agree that I don't think she had much to lose here, I don't agree with the assessment of her final arc making her look strong and empowered. I think it did anything but, and it really disappointed me that they went that route when I was rather hoping that she WOULD leave the series a strong and empowered character who was determined to look for and find her own happiness. The precise opposite happened, and I think it was a darn shame they wasted the potential.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Question here
Would you still root for Lois and Clark if it wasn't them in the mythos?

Just going by what I see here on SV, absolutely from day one. They're great together on screen. I love the banter and that type of relationship. It's like Rhett Butler and Scarlett O'Hara or Elizabeth Bennett and Mr. Darcy. I just never get tired of those types of relationships. I could also compare them to Rose and Jack in Titanic. They start out with banter but it quickly changes to passion and deep love.

It's the kind of relationships that I like to watch and ED and TW are great at it. Other would prefer the angst and soap opera, but I'll take the banter and humor over that any day.

[Jade4813]

Just going by what I see here on SV, absolutely from day one. They're great together on screen. I love the banter and that type of relationship. It's like Rhett Butler and Scarlett O'Hara or Elizabeth Bennett and Mr. Darcy. I just never get tired of those types of relationships. I could also compare them to Rose and Jack in Titanic. They start out with banter but it quickly changes to passion and deep love.

It's the kind of relationships that I like to watch and ED and TW are great at it. Other would prefer the angst and soap opera, but I'll take the banter and humor over that any day.

I agree with all of this. And, on top of that, I like seeing the characters together. I like the way they ARE together, and for that alone, I would want to see them end up together. Clark is strong and decisive, not weak and emasculated. He has a sense of humor; he doesn't spend the entire episode eating worm food.

And Lois is funny and flirty. She's there for Clark but she doesn't harp on him about his secret or make him feel like crap for not being everything she wants him to be.

I like the characters alone and together, and so I'd support them. The mythos supporting it is nice, but if Clois were written the way Clana or Chlark were written, then mythos or not, I'd hate to see them together. Just the way it goes.

[Mickey_Bickey]

I agree with all of this. And, on top of that, I like seeing the characters together. I like the way they ARE together, and for that alone, I would want to see them end up together. Clark is strong and decisive, not weak and emasculated. He has a sense of humor; he doesn't spend the entire episode eating worm food.

ITA!

When Clark gets around Lana he becomes one dimensional. When he's around Lois though he becomes alive and we see all sorts of sides to his character. The same can be said for Lois too.

The thing that happened in Requiem (and Power) with Lana just totally ruined any progress that Clark's character made in S8 up until that point. He regressed, the storylines came to a hault, and anything between him and Lois at that point would have seemed unbelievable. The only thing this arc did was regress the characters, hault the storylines and slow down the development with Clark and Lois.

It didn't cheapen anything except Clark and Lana's legacy (for lack of a better term). They should have had them part as friends and should have shown both characters the way they showed Clark in Rabid when closing the book on Lana. It would have just been so much better and not have hurt Clark's character or the main arcs for S8 which of course one of them was Clois.


And Lois is funny and flirty. She's there for Clark but she doesn't harp on him about his secret or make him feel like crap for not being everything she wants him to be.

She's great. I can really identify with her character. I love her bluntness and honesty, and I love her spring into action nature. She doesn't harp on Clark and just lets him be. She gives him room! She's not crowding or pressuring him, and that makes it more light and fun. There's more room for the banter and action which I just love!


I like the characters alone and together, and so I'd support them. The mythos supporting it is nice, but if Clois were written the way Clana or Chlark were written, then mythos or not, I'd hate to see them together. Just the way it goes.

ITA. I couldn't have said it better mysef.:)

[Jack-El49]

I like the characters alone and together, and so I'd support them. The mythos supporting it is nice, but if Clois were written the way Clana or Chlark were written, then mythos or not, I'd hate to see them together. Just the way it goes.

Exactly my take on it too. Lois is spunky, snarky and intrepid. Together with Clark who is the quiet, unassuming hero makes this pairing fantastic to watch. They grow around each other as they grow. Clark always looks like the hero when he's with Lois and Lois always looks like the loyal friend who tells him like it is but would defer to his decisions if they are his to make.

If written differently, as in the Chlark or Clana relationship, then I doubt I would enjoy this pairing at all, mythos or not. At that point, it would be a coin flip as to who Clark should be with.

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Exactly my take on it too. Lois is spunky, snarky and intrepid. Together with Clark who is the quiet, unassuming hero makes this pairing fantastic to watch. They grow around each other as they grow. Clark always looks like the hero when he's with Lois and Lois always looks like the loyal friend who tells him like it is but would defer to his decisions if they are his to make.

If written differently, as in the Chlark or Clana relationship, then I doubt I would enjoy this pairing at all, mythos or not. At that point, it would be a coin flip as to who Clark should be with.
hmm
I seriously don't know what's great about Lois, she's a nice character to have around, but the hype she gets on here is unbelievable.
Also give Chloe and Lana, particularly Lana a break, KK MR TW make this show outstanding to begin with. In a way i think the producers almost got the casting to good.

[Davis Bloome]

I found it so stupid and unfair to Clois fans. Now I want to see them becoming a couple... Eventually. I'm not saying they should have kissed that time in that episode, but the way they teased the fans that they would and then just screwed it up, by making Clark this puppydog again to Lana, was just plain stupid. They think 'Oh let's tease the fans'... No it's more like 'let's screw them up'... Excuse my words. Cause first of all you're teasing not only Clois fans but Clana fans and break it apart for both supporters. How they got rid of Lana was completely wrong, but yeah everybody tends to forget about it... So it seems.

[Dominicus]

hmm
I seriously don't know what's great about Lois, she's a nice character to have around, but the hype she gets on here is unbelievable.
Also give Chloe and Lana, particularly Lana a break, KK MR TW make this show outstanding to begin with. In a way i think the producers almost got the casting to good.While you don't see what's so great about Lois, other's in the same regard don't see what's so great about Lana and find it equally unbelievable. This is a difference of opinion, perception, and the eye of the beholder. Or simpy boils down to who you favor and grown attached to.

And it's a wee bit redundant to ask the what-if questions about mythos and particularly Clois, especially if you can care less of the answer being you don't see what's so great about the character. The question is pointless in any form because we wouldn't have a show at all without the mythos, being that's where the idea of this show originated.

The concept is simple hoever, people simply liked the chemistry between the two characters, mythos or not. I was skeptical with Lois at first, but then gradually came to like ED's portrayal, but tbh, it didn't take long, she had an infectious likable unique personality. The chemistry was there day one, refreshing addition to the show. Unfortunately, Lois came during a the time of ships three seasons in, and made her a resented mark no matter what. I personally liked Clana in the earlier seasons, it worked at the time, but once Lana left and Lois came, the dynamic shifted, a new era.

I personally like Jason Teague and Lana together as well, and I liked Clark with the progressive friendship with Lois, and Chloe. Though his relationship with Lois was very much different then any other relationship he had previously or ever since, lovers or friends and couldn't be easily defined always leaving the feeling there was something more underneath the surface. I also loved Alicia Baker's role, then again I like Kayla as well. It's all about timing and when the relationship is appropriate for the character's development. Character meaning Clark's journey through relationship that helped to shape and mold him. What I didn't care for was the repetition, and stagnation.

This also goes to why Chloe took Pete's place as the secret-keeper/confidant and giving her a role in Clark's life, again a new refreshing angle. Though time, to progress somethings must come to an end.

Just a note, they always wanted to include Lois from the get, but the character simply wasn't allowed that early on, hence the creation of Chloe.

Another note, you say, give Lana a break, however the contradiction in degrading Lois within the same statement makes it a moot request, no offense.

Some simply respect the character, Lois earned that respect IMO, getting annoyed that fans appreciate the character and "get her" is an endless brooding cycle because the same regard is not shown for whomever else you think it should. Characters like Lana or even Chloe who used to be a fan favorite did something within the their time on SV to shift that opinion, and it wasn't overnight. Rather a continuous regression or misdirection of what that character used to be. Through time, maturity and ultimately some didn't like the change the character's actions without consequence, and the stifling angst. This is typical to keep the character interesting, they're doing the same with Lois, though most don't seemed to be bothered with it, or haven't notice it, change for the better perhaps? And Chloe can be redeemed, but Lana is pretty taboo because of bride, power and requiem.

Forgive if I misconstrudes anything



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I found it so stupid and unfair to Clois fans. Now I want to see them becoming a couple... Eventually. I'm not saying they should have kissed that time in that episode, but the way they teased the fans that they would and then just screwed it up, by making Clark this puppydog again to Lana, was just plain stupid. They think 'Oh let's tease the fans'... No it's more like 'let's screw them up'... Excuse my words. Cause first of all you're teasing not only Clois fans but Clana fans and break it apart for both supporters. How they got rid of Lana was completely wrong, but yeah everybody tends to forget about it... So it seems.No, not forget, moved on rather then staying miserable like some would want to live in the past with no resolution, optimism, hindsight or foresight. It just isn't going to work. Clana can't break Clois and what it is destined to be, at the same Clana is what will make Clois ultimately be as the next step. Clana was needed, and had served its purpose just as all Clark's previous relationships as he searched for his true soulmate. There's much more to the what they've been developing with Clois, and Clark overall and how Clark is acting and responding now. It' still not there, but getting there.

but I do agree with alot in your statement at the time Requiem aired, I blindly said and thought same out of frustration, bafflement, and disappoint. But after rationalizing, calming the passion in a manner, the scenes and it prospects showed a different futuristic picture. But because of this took place there's more of a demand for directness, and addressing of this issue, no dancing around it. Clark closing the book on Clana was a clear signal, that's a start. But verbalization of feelings is another, and perhaps if there's a season ten, a confrontation or test? But they seem to like to avoid these mistakes by burying it and never addressing the issue, like Henry. Hoping fans forgive and forget.

[Mickey_Bickey]

I found it so stupid and unfair to Clois fans. Now I want to see them becoming a couple... Eventually. I'm not saying they should have kissed that time in that episode, but the way they teased the fans that they would and then just screwed it up, by making Clark this puppydog again to Lana, was just plain stupid. They think 'Oh let's tease the fans'... No it's more like 'let's screw them up'... Excuse my words. Cause first of all you're teasing not only Clois fans but Clana fans and break it apart for both supporters. How they got rid of Lana was completely wrong, but yeah everybody tends to forget about it... So it seems.

I haven't forgotten!:lol: Yet, it is one of those HUGE mistakes that this series did along with the Clexana saga! Angst and more angst! Power and Requiem were the worst.

I think these episodes were actually worse, because they had so much progress with Clark's character and his devlopment at the DP and with Lois! It had so much promise, then these episodes aired and it was the biggest WTF moment of the series?

The reality is when it was done Clark's character never looked back and wasn't moping, so that was a plus, then he started calling Lois as the Blur segwaying into this year's arc with her. Either way, he's moved on for good, so that's what counts now I guess.

[Jade4813]

hmm
I seriously don't know what's great about Lois, she's a nice character to have around, but the hype she gets on here is unbelievable.

I'm sorry, but why ask a question if you don't want the answer?


Also give Chloe and Lana, particularly Lana a break, KK MR TW make this show outstanding to begin with. In a way i think the producers almost got the casting to good.

And again, why ask the question if you didn't want the answer?

I didn't see anyone respond to your question with insults. We explained that yes, we would, and this is why. As for Lana and Chloe...people weren't bashing them. For some, however, both are "nice characters to have around, but the hype they get on boards/on the show is unbelievable."

I can't speak for others, but I recognize the hard work that all the actors and actresses have put in over the years. But hard work or not, not all characters are my cup of tea. Happily for the actors, they get paid the same, whether their characters are my cup of tea or not.

You asked if people would still support Clois if not for the mythos. And the responses you got were, "Yes, because we like the Clois dynamic and we were never sold on the Clana dynamic." I think you were the one who brought Chloe into the conversation.

So for the last time, why ask a question if you didn't want the answer?

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While you don't see what's so great about Lois, other's in the same regard don't see what's so great about Lana and find it equally unbelievable. This is a difference of opinion, perception, and the eye of the beholder. Or simpy boils down to who you favor and grown attached to.

And it's a wee bit redundant to ask the what-if questions about mythos and particularly Clois, especially if you can care less of the answer being you don't see what's so great about the character. The question is pointless in any form because we wouldn't have a show at all without the mythos, being that's where the idea of this show originated.

The concept is simple hoever, people simply liked the chemistry between the two characters, mythos or not. I was skeptical with Lois at first, but then gradually came to like ED's portrayal, but tbh, it didn't take long, she had an infectious likable unique personality. The chemistry was there day one, refreshing addition to the show. Unfortunately, Lois came during a the time of ships three seasons in, and made her a resented mark no matter what. I personally liked Clana in the earlier seasons, it worked at the time, but once Lana left and Lois came, the dynamic shifted, a new era.

I personally like Jason Teague and Lana together as well, and I liked Clark with the progressive friendship with Lois, and Chloe. Though his relationship with Lois was very much different then any other relationship he had previously or ever since, lovers or friends and couldn't be easily defined always leaving the feeling there was something more underneath the surface. I also loved Alicia Baker's role, then again I like Kayla as well. It's all about timing and when the relationship is appropriate for the character's development. Character meaning Clark's journey through relationship that helped to shape and mold him. What I didn't care for was the repetition, and stagnation.

This also goes to why Chloe took Pete's place as the secret-keeper/confidant and giving her a role in Clark's life, again a new refreshing angle. Though time, to progress somethings must come to an end.

Just a note, they always wanted to include Lois from the get, but the character simply wasn't allowed that early on, hence the creation of Chloe.

Another note, you say, give Lana a break, however the contradiction in degrading Lois within the same statement makes it a moot request, no offense.

Very good point, but I particularly appreciate the bolded sentence.

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I'm sorry, but why ask a question if you don't want the answer?



And again, why ask the question if you didn't want the answer?

I didn't see anyone respond to your question with insults. We explained that yes, we would, and this is why. As for Lana and Chloe...people weren't bashing them. For some, however, both are "nice characters to have around, but the hype they get on boards/on the show is unbelievable."

I can't speak for others, but I recognize the hard work that all the actors and actresses have put in over the years. But hard work or not, not all characters are my cup of tea. Happily for the actors, they get paid the same, whether their characters are my cup of tea or not.

You asked if people would still support Clois if not for the mythos. And the responses you got were, "Yes, because we like the Clois dynamic and we were never sold on the Clana dynamic." I think you were the one who brought Chloe into the conversation.

So for the last time, why ask a question if you didn't want the answer?

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I don't really understand what you're getting at.
I made a statement, which I assumed others would read, and give their opinions on.
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You can't say that Lana and Chloe are hyped up on this board, It's simply not true. Maybe Lana but for a different reason, and I just want to emphasise that i'm not bashing Lois (she's 4th in my list of favourite characters) I'm just surprised at how popular she is on this board, which imo doesn't represent the opinions of everyone who watches Smallville.
It seems like knowone is allowed to have an opinion that's against the norm on here.

[Jade4813]

I don't really understand what you're getting at.
I made a statement, which I assumed others would read, and give their opinions on.
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You can't say that Lana and Chloe are hyped up on this board, It's simply not true. Maybe Lana but for a different reason, and I just want to emphasise that i'm not bashing Lois (she's 4th in my list of favourite characters) I'm just surprised at how popular she is on this board, which imo doesn't represent the opinions of everyone who watches Smallville.
It seems like knowone is allowed to have an opinion that's against the norm on here.

Not at all. You can have an unpopular opinion. You can post about it. When you do, however, you should probably expect - if it is unpopular - that people are going to disagree with you about it. They may even debate about it. That's rather the nature of an unpopular opinion, isn't it?

As for the hype on the boards, I wasn't just talking about this board when I said that the hype they get on boards is excessive. And you're new so maybe you don't realize, but back when I started on KSite, trust me when I say that not liking Chloe and being a fan of Lois was an extremely unpopular opinion. And there was quite a bit of hype about Chloe. This only really changed last season.

As for the rest of my post, it was in response to:


I seriously don't know what's great about Lois, she's a nice character to have around, but the hype she gets on here is unbelievable.
Also give Chloe and Lana, particularly Lana a break, KK MR TW make this show outstanding to begin with. In a way i think the producers almost got the casting to good

Someone responded to your query with a polite explanation and this post, given after quoting the poster, implied that the fact that they didn't like Clana, they were ragging on Lana.

MY unpopular opinion is that people can discuss the characters while keeping it polite and not accusing others of bashing them just for not liking them. I also hold the unpopular opinion that I wouldn't mind if Lana came back for an episode or two since I think that Requiem was the worst send-off for her character that they could have had. I fully expect some will disagree with those opinions.

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While you don't see what's so great about Lois, other's in the same regard don't see what's so great about Lana and find it equally unbelievable. This is a difference of opinion, perception, and the eye of the beholder. Or simpy boils down to who you favor and grown attached to.

And it's a wee bit redundant to ask the what-if questions about mythos and particularly Clois, especially if you can care less of the answer being you don't see what's so great about the character. The question is pointless in any form because we wouldn't have a show at all without the mythos, being that's where the idea of this show originated.

The concept is simple hoever, people simply liked the chemistry between the two characters, mythos or not. I was skeptical with Lois at first, but then gradually came to like ED's portrayal, but tbh, it didn't take long, she had an infectious likable unique personality. The chemistry was there day one, refreshing addition to the show. Unfortunately, Lois came during a the time of ships three seasons in, and made her a resented mark no matter what. I personally liked Clana in the earlier seasons, it worked at the time, but once Lana left and Lois came, the dynamic shifted, a new era.

I personally like Jason Teague and Lana together as well, and I liked Clark with the progressive friendship with Lois, and Chloe. Though his relationship with Lois was very much different then any other relationship he had previously or ever since, lovers or friends and couldn't be easily defined always leaving the feeling there was something more underneath the surface. I also loved Alicia Baker's role, then again I like Kayla as well. It's all about timing and when the relationship is appropriate for the character's development. Character meaning Clark's journey through relationship that helped to shape and mold him. What I didn't care for was the repetition, and stagnation.

This also goes to why Chloe took Pete's place as the secret-keeper/confidant and giving her a role in Clark's life, again a new refreshing angle. Though time, to progress somethings must come to an end.

Just a note, they always wanted to include Lois from the get, but the character simply wasn't allowed that early on, hence the creation of Chloe.

Another note, you say, give Lana a break, however the contradiction in degrading Lois within the same statement makes it a moot request, no offense.

Some simply respect the character, Lois earned that respect IMO, getting annoyed that fans appreciate the character and "get her" is an endless brooding cycle because the same regard is not shown for whomever else you think it should. Characters like Lana or even Chloe who used to be a fan favorite did something within the their time on SV to shift that opinion, and it wasn't overnight. Rather a continuous regression or misdirection of what that character used to be. Through time, maturity and ultimately some didn't like the change the character's actions without consequence, and the stifling angst. This is typical to keep the character interesting, they're doing the same with Lois, though most don't seemed to be bothered with it, or haven't notice it, change for the better perhaps? And Chloe can be redeemed, but Lana is pretty taboo because of bride, power and requiem.

Forgive if I misconstrudes anything



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You're a LEDGE
Precise and articulate answer
Summed up exactly what i was thinking, especially the last paragraph.
I don't see how Ive contradicted myself, when I haven't expressed any hate for Lois, just a misunderstanding as to how on earth she is so popular on here. :confused:
IMO, the impact of Power and Requiem on Lana character is extremely exaggerated. I'm completely miffed as to what she did that was so bad?. Breaking up Clois was unintentional, and Clark wasn't pushed into anything, it was his choice. It can't always be Lana that is blamed for the regression of Clark's character.

but nevermind, i'm off to watch the footie.

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Not at all. You can have an unpopular opinion. You can post about it. When you do, however, you should probably expect - if it is unpopular - that people are going to disagree with you about it. They may even debate about it. That's rather the nature of an unpopular opinion, isn't it?

As for the hype on the boards, I wasn't just talking about this board when I said that the hype they get on boards is excessive. And you're new so maybe you don't realize, but back when I started on KSite, trust me when I say that not liking Chloe and being a fan of Lois was an extremely unpopular opinion. And there was quite a bit of hype about Chloe. This only really changed last season.

As for the rest of my post, it was in response to:



Someone responded to your query with a polite explanation and this post, given after quoting the poster, implied that the fact that they didn't like Clana, they were ragging on Lana.

MY unpopular opinion is that people can discuss the characters while keeping it polite and not accusing others of bashing them just for not liking them. I fully expect some will disagree with that opinion.

Cheers, it's nice to have a sensible conversation about a topic, without it turning aggressive.

[Dominicus]

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You're a LEDGE
Precise and articulate answer
Summed up exactly what i was thinking, especially the last paragraph.
I don't see how Ive contradicted myself, when I haven't expressed any hate for Lois, just a misunderstanding as to how on earth she is so popular on here. :confused:
IMO, the impact of Power and Requiem on Lana character is extremely exaggerated. I'm completely miffed as to what she did that was so bad?. Breaking up Clois was unintentional, and Clark wasn't pushed into anything, it was his choice. It can't always be Lana that is blamed for the regression of Clark's character.

but nevermind, i'm off to watch the footie.

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Cheers, it's nice to have a sensible conversation about a topic, without it turning aggressive.:lol:lol nice end. I didn't say hate. Just a familiar tone or dismissal which baits debate.

And Agreed it was Clark's choice, however this has little to do with why folks loath Lana. Just tired of the repetition the character bought every time she came. Lana is the image of regression to some, a weakness Clark had and that was clearly what the direction of SV was conveying. Do you hate the user, or the addictive drug? Lana would be Clark's unhealthy drug. That though they loved each other, Lana was literally poison to Clark. The closer she is, the weaker he gets. Now that was both true physically and metaphorically and to add, historically.

It went wrong at every turn, like the man in the movie Time Machine, going back in time to resurrect his wife, which he does, but she is later killed again. He repeated the process several times with the same result of his wife dieing inevitably. Fate, it wasn't meant to be, and beyond obvious.

To explain further: Clark's regression, was his obsession with Lana that made him lose focus, and that was indeed Clark's issue. Though, this is why Lana gets the most flack because of her role in their relationship. The bizzaro incident or the episode wrath, marry Lex, lies begetting lies and hidden agendas. It left a bad taste, a fractured relationship of betrayal and weak constitution. Clark allowing himself to be walked over and blind objectivism over Lana's misdeeds, not helping to also bring her back from despair. Because of her relationship with Lex, and Clark, Lana was left vulnerable, she felt invisible and weak. We seen the same development with Tess, who was very much like Lana. As Clark regressed the closer he got to Lana, she manifests into her power hungry persona that ultimately lead to the final inevitable depart. They both were bad for each other and had separate paths.

& Why some folk like him with Lois, because he won't allow Lois to walk over him, and that he instinctively to stops her from doing uncharacteristic wrongs like in Stiletto.

[Jade4813]

IMO, the impact of Power and Requiem on Lana character is extremely exaggerated. I'm completely miffed as to what she did that was so bad?. Breaking up Clois was unintentional, and Clark wasn't pushed into anything, it was his choice. It can't always be Lana that is blamed for the regression of Clark's character.

I don't blame her for breaking up Clois, actually. I do think that the writing in the arc made Clark look bad. He went from being a strong, decisive character to needing Lana to tell him that murder was bad and then crawling on the ground for her. He was 12 years old all over again.

But let's put that aside, shall we?

I had a problem with the last arc because of what it did with Lana's character. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm sure this will be shocking to everyone who's come across me on the boards, but Lana's always been my least favorite character on the show. I think I managed to like her for a half a season to a season. Tops. Being generous.

That said, as much as I've always disliked Lana as a character (for a multitude of reasons that would be off-topic here), there are some things that I had hoped for the character when she left the show (or when the show ended). And in almost all of those aspects, I think the show failed with Lana in her last arc.

There are certain things about Lana that I think the show tried very hard to make clear over the past several years. Almost to the point of drilling it into our heads.

1) Lana at her heart is just a girl who wants to be loved and love someone back. But she's insecure in love. It's why she was so insistent that there be no "secrets and lies" coming from her lover (though she had no problems keeping them herself). And just watching the show, I don't think she ever went for longer than a couple of episodes without a love interest.

2) Lana didn't want to be stuck in Smallville, living the life other people had set up for her. She wanted to go off and do her own thing.

3) Lana was a victim. Of whom or of what is probably debatable, but that she practically had "victim" stamped on her forehead is not really terribly arguable. Now, in my view - and you may not agree - I think that Lana wasn't just a victim of others. Yes, people like Lex did do terrible things to her. But she was equally a victim of her own choices. Lex was terrible to her, and let me stress that I do not think that this justifies what happened to her. However, I also can't forget that she knew the kind of man she was when she decided to be with him, she ignored her friends' repeated warnings about what he was like, and she decided to be with him anyway. As I watched the show, I couldn't help but feel she was as much a victim of her own choices as she was of what others did to her. (Likewise with Clark. Yes, he kept his secret from her and that hurt her. However, from the moment she started to suspect he had a secret and discovered he wasn't willing to share, her continued attempts to be with him were as much her own choice. If she couldn't deal with his secret, why not tell him what she needed from him - complete honesty - and then walk away until he was willing to give her that? Rather than keep trying to be with him and harp on him because he wasn't making her happy. Again, as much her own choices as Clark's actions.)

Of those things, the only thing her last arc accomplished was to get her out of Smallville.

Let's address the third first, shall we?

I wanted, when Lana left the show, it to be done with her being an actual empowered character. I think that this was the worst kind of fail that the arc gave us. She wasn't empowered. Having powers does not automatically mean being empowered. Empowerment would have been if she'd realized that who she was and what she had to offer made her a person worthy of going after what she wanted and having the strength in herself to go out and get it. Not having to rely on Clark. Not having to rely on Lex. But finally - finally - saying, "This is what's going to make me happy and I'm going to go get it or do everything I can to get it, at least."

Totally changing herself to be with a man is in no way empowering, IMO. I'm rather insulted that they seem to think it is.

But let's go over this. So she steals a power suit - knowing it'll probably mean Lex will die. Now, I'm not saying that she had any cause to love Lex. But from a legal - and I think moral - standpoint, doing something you know will result in someone's death is still murder. And that Ollie got around to it first doesn't make her hands clean. If I poison someone and they get shot in the head on the way to the hospital, the fact that the poison didn't end up causing the death doesn't change the fact that it WOULD have in another hour or so and therefore I'm responsible for my actions.

Lana goes out a murderer! Yay! I know I'm feeling good about this arc already.

Oh, it gets better? Let me brace myself.

Lana gets a power suit and puts it on and all of a sudden she's SuperLana, but it's all good that she totally changed herself to be with Clark because TPTB think that "powers" means "empowerment." And now at the end, she gets infected by Kryptonite and has to leave. It's sad. It's tragic. And once again, Lana's a victim of her own actions as much as she's a victim of Lex's actions against her. Wow. I feel like it's...like...the whole series all over again.

All right, well, there's a couple other problems with that, on top of the joy we've got thus far. For one, there's a problem now for Clana being together. And I'm not going to say it's not a HUGE problem. But rather than try to work at a way to get a solution to the problem, Lana decides to leave and Clark lets her as if it ain't no thang. So Lana loves Clark SO MUCH that she'd put on a suit to be with him and yadda yadda yadda and Clark loves Lana SO MUCH that he'll crawl across the ground to be with her, but they don't actually love each other enough to try to find a solution to this problem of theirs so they can be together. All of a sudden, it's like, "Wow, we've made it through Whitney and Lex and Bizarro sex but this is where we just decide it's not worth the struggle." I don't know; it's just such a heartwarming message I cannot contain myself!

And then there's the rather big structural problem the show set up for itself because - as others have pointed out this season - I'm not entirely sure WHY I should worry about a character like Metallo coming back. Or even about the Kandorians using Kryptonite against Clark, since it's not hurting them right now (an odd message the show has put forth anyway, but that's another discussion). So let's say they bathe in Kryptonite. They cover themselves from head to toe in it. A whole Kandorian Kryptonite-laced army. Clark is so screwed. Well, except it's good for him that he's got Lana on his speed-dial because she can come in and ZAP! No more Kryptonite issues. Well, it's good that the ONLY THING THAT CAN KILL CLARK (other than Doomsday) is actually not that big of a problem. And now any storyline that involves Kryptonite - now or in the future - just makes me yawn. Overused yes, but now that dramatic tension's completely gone.

And as one final note of heartwarming-ness, let's not forget that the show has also set up that Kryptonite exposure eventually makes you coocoo for cocoa puffs. Puts a few bats in the belfry. Takes the crackers straight out of the box. Lana is now a walking glow-in-the-dark night lite, a one-woman Chernobyl when it comes to Kryptonite radiation. Also, she's superpowered. At some point - and logically speaking it probably wouldn't be that long from now - Lana's going to be sent on the rapid train straight to insane town, and with her new superpowers, when that happens, it will be LANA SMASH all sorts of innocent civvies who might not see her coming unless it's night and she's glowing in the dark.

So she gets to be separated from Clark against her will (but not really trying to do anything to fix that), AND she has superpowers that take away any kind of issue the most powerful man in the universe has to, like, the only weakness he has (structurally speaking, a huge flaw in the story), AND the story itself has set up that it's inevitable she's going to go batsh** sooner or later and probably kill people...after making her an attempted murderess anyway. Be still my beating heart, I honestly don't know how this wasn't an issue for them.

But let's move on to issue number one, and this is the one that REALLY gets up my left nostril.

Lana was always a pretty sad character on Smallville. I can't remember more than a couple episodes where the girl was allowed to be happy. And of all things, she was in general the most miserable in love.

Now, as much as I dislike Lana, I thought she got sort of the shaft there. I hated that she was never allowed to be happy in love, and so I did hope that when the series ended, it would be with her finding that person who would make her happy. She found someone who seemed to make her happy in Apocalypse, and that made me smile. And I actually liked early-Jason because 1) Okay, JA is hot and I'm not going to lie, but mostly 2) Lana was actually happy with him and that was good to see. It was the closest I ever came to liking her character, and if they hadn't taken the wheels off the wagon soon after that, I might have actually liked her.

But is that what we got? Nope! Lana's miserable in love again. Forever separated from Clark, who she didn't get separated from because she found someone to love but because Lex did dastardly deeds. On the fast track to being a few tacos short of a combination platter. And generally miserable. I can fanwank that she finds her own Pierre Russo offscreen, but then I keep running into the wall of "and he'll be happy to visit her in the nuthouse if Clark or some other superhero doesn't have to put her down first."

For me, the last thing I wanted to see was Lana leaving in misery. But, hey, it's what we got.

So I think that Power and Requiem were train wrecks on several levels. For Clois, I could get past because they had time to fix it and they have. *shrugs* For Clark, it was just deeply disappointing, but again they could fix it and they have. But the worst of what they did was what they did to Lana's character herself.

Just my .62 cents.

[Mrs. Superman]

No, not forget, moved on rather then staying miserable like some would want to live in the past with no resolution, optimism, hindsight or foresight. It just isn't going to work. Clana can't break Clois and what it is destined to be, at the same Clana is what will make Clois ultimately be as the next step. Clana was needed, and had served its purpose just as all Clark's previous relationships as he searched for his true soulmate. There's much more to the what they've been developing with Clois, and Clark overall and how Clark is acting and responding now. It' still not there, but getting there.

but I do agree with alot in your statement at the time Requiem aired, I blindly said and thought same out of frustration, bafflement, and disappoint. But after rationalizing, calming the passion in a manner, the scenes and it prospects showed a different futuristic picture. But because of this took place there's more of a demand for directness, and addressing of this issue, no dancing around it. Clark closing the book on Clana was a clear signal, that's a start. But verbalization of feelings is another, and perhaps if there's a season ten, a confrontation or test? But they seem to like to avoid these mistakes by burying it and never addressing the issue, like Henry. Hoping fans forgive and forget.
That was stated perfectly. Going to go a bit off topic for a minute but I dont know if anyone else on here is a fan of the comics. I just wanted to state how interesting it is to me that in the current mythos (per Secret Origins), Lana and Clark dont have much going on. It seems to go back to the one sided crush thing (although Clark is definitely attracted to her--heat vision activation tells us that). With everything they've incorporated from all the different incarnations of Superman, including Smallville (the red blue jacket combo, saving lana from the tornado, Chloe's name on Pete's cast, lex's father looking like lionel) I'm very happy they did not take Smallville's interpretation of Clark and Lana's relationship. Unless something changes drastically next issue, it'll probably be much like the Brynne Lana who's feelings were stronger than Clark's. And I actually like that that will be the definitive portrayal of Lana because it shows Clark's first time dealing with an attraction to the opposite sex and the awkwardness that comes with it (especially with his powers) but thats all it is. Its very innocent and sweet. No angst, no moping, no drama! At least not on Clark's part.

Back on topic--It was the Lana in P/R that made me not a fan of her at all--and I had liked her prior to Season 8. I actually would love to have KK back and give Lana a much better send off. At this point I'm just glad Clark's moved on, FINALLY. Now he can see what he was always meant to find, and there is no going back after that. ;)

[Elacey]

Yeah,I have to say I was not happy when they made Lois out to be the consolation prize.It took me awhile to get over it.I guess they wanted a nice ending for the people who ship Clana but,still.

[Tony Forever]

Never liked Lana. Hated her in this series (The Character, Not the Actress) Found her to be a huge treacherous snake woman who is the biggest hypocrite. The writers of this series seem to think Lana was this epic character in the comics when in reality She doesn't amount to SQUAT! By simple fact that Clark MARRIED LOIS over her NON-POWERED fickle self.

The message of this episode was that Lana was the unattainable gold medal while Lois was nothing more than a Silver. Compared to Lois, Lana is not even worth a Bronze!

[Dr. Blade]

The message of this episode was that Lana was the unattainable gold medal while Lois was nothing more than a Silver. Compared to Lois, Lana is not even worth a Bronze!


Lois is not a consolation prize. But it took me two years for this particular show to convince me, so this episode is still the most harmful thing that ever happened to Smallville, imo.

[FWvidchick]

He had started developing feelings BEFORE Lana returned for Lois.. then his old flame returns and of course he is going to give it a try.. but both Clark and Lana during that Arc of eps wonder if they are gonna make it.. they try to have a relationship its not even a happy feeling..the eps just made me sad because it felt sad between Lana and Clark.. it felt make believe .. then Lex pulls his stunt which finalizes something that imo was going to happen anyway. Clark and Lana did not really know each other imo, that was evident over and over..

When Lois returns Clark showed again that he did have some level of feeling for her BUT he does not actively pursue it.. because he is not ready, because I think he was afraid. That to me alone shows right there that Lois wasn't a consolation prize.. its not like that for either girl. Lana was the teen love.. the first love.. that is strong but it doesn't make it lasting .. he had to have that last chance to see that.. which he did even if the circumstances were cruel.

THe fact that clark since then has even put Lois at a distance till his little lesson in HC also to me shows she is not a consolation.. she is a new beginning..one that he was some what afraid to let happen. I don't see it as a vs thing so much as a growing up thing. He loved Lana but it didn't work..what is he then suppose to NEVER fall again because it means automatically that who ever he does fall for is just the fill in. That is hogwash.. PPl learn and love and fall in love with other ppl all the time. Clark is no different. If he had of just jumped right into things with Lois then yeah I can see it being like a consolation or a rebound but he didn't. He also got to know her better as the redblue blur..see sides of her he hadn't before.. this also helped how he viewed Lois. Helped the feelings develop deeper. How is that a consolation if it takes time and is developing?

[hellokitty]

Exactly, Jen. ITA with everything.

I recently watched those eps, and with fresh eyes and perspective, they do make sense, even if giving it the old college try was simply redundant at that point. But their attempt was half-hearted and nostalgic at best. They were two completely different people than even when Lana had first left him. They were two completely different people once Lana "died" at the end of season 6. Everything they had from then on, and in the AoS was just going through the motions.

Even when Clark and Lana talk on the DP rooftop at the end of Power, it's not ANYTHING like what he's said to Lois in the episodes since, with regard to his dreams, to his desires, to what he feels and wants. That moment, in hindsight now, makes even more sense to me. It was a pretty dream...but it was merely that. Had no substance and no lasting meaning.

[borednow]

Lois is not a consolation prize. But it took me two years for this particular show to convince me, so this episode is still the most harmful thing that ever happened to Smallville, imo.

Well if you watch the history, twice Lois has walked away from Clark when she felt his heart was still with Lana, Spirit and Bride, it was always her, girl is smart enough to know. She didn't walk away in homecoming, she's no CP. I never thought I'd be happy about those moments as I love Clois but now I am, Lois has always been shown to know better. Plus I love Clark's wtf! reaction when the punch lady brought up Lana and him being perfect, :lol:

[herolee10]

Well you gotta admit folks, when you look at how cloisers felt at the beginning pages of this thread to how they feel now about Clois, it's definitely interesting to see as to how so many things had changed for us within these last two years.lol

Makes me wonder at times that if any cloiser today could go back in time to the point where Requiem had just aired and show any amount of Clois scenes from Seasons 9 and what we have with 10, which scenes would have healed us back then?lol

[4evrclois]

This episode has tainted sv clois for me. Lois will always be the consolation prize after this AOS.

[luckycloisfan]

Well I'm done shipping Clois on this show. There's NO WAY this Clark Kent can be looking at Lois one episode never mind three episodes after this crapfest.

I agree.

But I couldn't vote... my answer would be, Clark SHOULD have kept his eyes on Lois the entire time :lol: Going back to Lana for round 7 was a HUGE fail for me!!! What happened Before Bride and After Requiem was just fine... but the middle part :rolleyes: Not sure how Clark could be made to look worse, in his romantic life :(

[Simba_Muffy]

I agree.

But I couldn't vote... my answer would be, Clark SHOULD have kept his eyes on Lois the entire time :lol: Going back to Lana for round 7 was a HUGE fail for me!!! What happened Before Bride and After Requiem was just fine... but the middle part :rolleyes: Not sure how Clark could be made to look worse, in his romantic life :(

I still dislike the Lana/Clana arc in S8, but love what they did with Clois. He didn't hook with her until S9. He also finally faced his feelings for her in S9. His dance with her in HC was also similar to the one in "Bride." They did Clois right. Lana is not going to live too long. That makes so happy. Clois or no Clois. I was never a fan of Lana after S1.

[NeedsClosureForAoS]

Right after "Requiem", yes I felt like Clois was cheapened and wasn't sure they could ever be credible. But I hoped that the writers could somehow, in the next couple of seasons, make me believe in Clois again.

And they did. I have loved S9/S10 and its Clois pacing/progression. But I'm still not over what happened in Requiem.

I KNOW he loves Lois. I know he said she's the ONE. I know he said he'd want to marry her in five days or in five years. I know he said she was the one he always needed. I know he said she was the love of his life. I know he said that there's nothing in this world that could prevent him from walking down the aisle. I know that he hovered when he was dancing with her and that in the virtual world of "Collateral", she got him to fly. I know that he smiles at Lois with that huge, goofy, FULL and FREE smile (even since early S4 in the "Facade" dunk tank) in a way he never really did with Lana. I know he said that he died when Lois left. I know he said he can't live in a world where she doesn't love him. I KNOW that I'm being selfish...but I do STILL need to know that he wouldn't go back to Lana if she ever came back...because that is the last unequivocally-unanswered question for me in the AWESOMENESS that is Clois. Could I assume that he wouldn't go back to Lana because of all the things that have happened in S9/S10? Sure, I guess. I just want verbal confirmation.

Am I crazy to hope for TOTAL closure on Requiem/Clana in the finale? Yea, probably...because it's been so long since S8 and maybe people's wounds have sufficiently healed since this AoS and that nobody cares anymore. But still, I guess it's true what they say about hope dying last.

[LoveHurts38]

Thank you Tom for signing up for S9 & 10 :D because Requiem only left you wondering what ever happened to Lana when we got the conclusion of the original cast .....Lex turned evil now president who runs LexCorp....Chloe is now a mom living in Singapore....Ollie a hero.....Lois and Clark working in the DP very in love and horny for each other still after 7 years and Clark is Superman and again what about Lana? ;)