Clana/Lana Resolution - All Discussion

[unfocused]

In the comics, when Lana had powers, she did help the Legion of Superheroes, even Superman. But she had her own adventures as well.

[Kal26]

And she was the Insect Queen, rather than a wanna be Superman. I like that a lot better than getting the same powers as Clark.

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Just look at all of the Marvel comic ones.

No one in Marvel Comics works with the Justice League, unless there's a cross over, or something, but the reason is that Marvel is an entirely different company than D.C. Heroes like Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are a part of the D.C. universe, which is owned by Warner Brothers. Heroes like Spiderman, the Fantastic Four, and The Hulk are owned by Marvel Comics. The heroes aren't interchangeable, unless the two companies decide to work together, as they have done in the past from time to time, but at the end of the day, they're competitors.

[Clana4Life]

Perhaps Lana will work on her on and then join the Legion of Superheros in the future or work with them like she did in the comics.

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

Yep, she was a Legion member in the comics. I remember seeing that somewhere. I love Lana! :D

[jjsmallvillelvr]

Yay lana!

[unfocused]

And she was the Insect Queen, rather than a wanna be Superman. I like that a lot better than getting the same powers as Clark.

I was under the impression that Lana only had super strength, super speed, and invulnerability. I don't think she had Clark's powers. She's probably almost as strong and fast as he is, but I doubt she has the same powers as he does.

[Dominicus]

And she was the Insect Queen, rather than a wanna be Superman. I like that a lot better than getting the same powers as Clark.

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No one in Marvel Comics works with the Justice League, unless there's a cross over, or something, but the reason is that Marvel is an entirely different company than D.C. Heroes like Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are a part of the D.C. universe, which is owned by Warner Brothers. Heroes like Spiderman, the Fantastic Four, and The Hulk are owned by Marvel Comics. The heroes aren't interchangeable, unless the two companies decide to work together, as they have done in the past from time to time, but at the end of the day, they're competitors.True. And there was a parody with spiderman as Lana was the insect queen, nothing more then that though. And her powers were no where near the level of superman, in which she used a ring.

[InAFlash]

Maybe Lana's going to follow Kara to Kandor...lol

[jjsmallvillelvr]

yea maybe hehe!

[zanaamen]

I loved Lana without power and now with the power my love become more powerful :)

[unfocused]

I take back what I said earlier, I don't think Lana is anywhere near as powerful as Clark is.

[jjsmallvillelvr]

i dont think that shes as powerful as him either...but i have faith she'll do good with her powers...the one bad thing that was a possibility of her doing was killing lex and we saw that she didnt and hes dead (supposedly) so she cant! YAY LANA-FU!!!

[MountainSniper]

Hi batfinx,

Sorry, got busy but now back in Abu Dhabi.


You do recall in Fragile that Chloe confronted Lex because she felt something was going on between him and Lana romantically, right? Then Lex told Lana bout the confrontation and Lana was pissed, but Chloe said "Lex Luthor is nothing more than a predator."

What I asked was in what episode and scene did Clark as Kal-el warm Lana about Lex?

So how does your above Smallville reference answer my question?

But anyway the fact is you are forgetting the time line.

When Chloe confronted Lex in Fragile Lana and Lex were not a romantic item and Lana was mad (and rightly so) that Chloe was spreading romantic rumors about her and thus humiliating her. She was angry that Chloe went to confront Lex rather talk to her about it thus cutting her out of the loop and going behind her back when she is supposed to be Chloe’s best friend.

Proof Episode Fragile:

Chloe: Lana, its okay to be honest. I'm not gonna burn you at the stake.

Lana: There is nothing to be honest about, Chloe, so I'd appreciate it if you'd stop spinning your rumor mill before you humiliate me any more than you already have.

Chloe: Lana, I understand if you want to hurt Clark.

Lana: What?

Chloe: But just don't hurt yourself in the process. Lex Luthor is nothing more than a predator.



You do not take into account that at the time Lana was falling for Lex, she and Chloe were not on the best of terms, but Chloe wanted to help her and warn her despite their differences.

I think you are having problems tracking the timeline.

What could have caused such a rift that Chloe could have decided not to warn her best friend that she is marrying a mass murder psychopath?

What is your reason that Chloe and Lana not on the best of terms?

I only see them having a tift after Chloe goes to Lex and that is “possibly” because Chloe jumped the gun and confronted Lex in Fragile before Lana and Lex were a romantic item thus bypassing Lana and then spreading rumors and humiliating her?



Lana was having none of it and she wasn't going to listen to Clark at that point either because he dumped her in hypnotic.

Do you really expect a girl that was dumped in a pretty brutal way to suddenly accept what her ex boyfriend who lied to her over and over says about her new boyfriend especially when Clark says it to her within seconds of Lana telling him that she is seeing that new guy romantically?

Come on you’ve been in relationships, get serious if you think the above is going to fly.

The fact is Clark could have stopped the Lex and Lana relationship in its tracks if he was only honest with Lana that he still loved her. It was Clark’s choice that Lana and he are not together.

Proof episode

Episode Fade

Lana: I thought you loved that telescope?

Clark: I did, doesn’t work any more.

Lana: Lex got out of the hospital today.

Clark: That’s great, he is a lucky guy.

Lana: Clark when you and I were together nothing bothered me more than when you were less than honest with me and I don’t want to be like that

Clark: It’s a good choice.

Lana: At the hospital when I told you I was at the mansion to return some books I was lying. Lex and I have actually been spending a lot of time together.

Clark: I kind of noticed.

Lana: Clark its more than that, we are seeing each other and I though it would be best if you heard it from me first.

Clark: Lana, I know you don't want to hear this, especially from me...you can't trust Lex.

Lana: Oh, I can trust you?

Clark: I just don't want to see you get hurt.

Lana: I know you think you're being some kind of hero, Clark. But the truth is, I don't need you to protect me.

Clark: Lana

Lana: Clark its over, you made that decision.



Chloe also dropped the ball in warning Lana about Lex.

Chloe didn’t follow up with warning and convincing Lana with evidence even after Chloe has access to hard evidence. Chloe even tried to convince Clark to give up on warning Lana about Lex and just accept it by moving on etc.

Two examples as Proof:

Example 1 Episode Fade:

Clark: Of all the people in the world why Lex?

Chloe: Just how you can’t pick and choose the people you save you can’t choose who your ex girlfriend dates, that’s just how it is.

Clark: You have no idea how hard it was to see them like that, it was like I couldn’t breathe.

Chloe: I’m sorry you had to find out that way, how it must have hurt but Lana’s moved on so maybe its time you started doing the same thing.

Example 2 Episode Fade

Clark: You know how dangerous Lex is. Any friend of Lana's would never let her get involved with him!

Chloe: Look, Clark, I wasn't exactly jumping for joy either, but Lana's a big girl. Where are you going? Clark, where are you going?

Clark: Lana has no idea what she's getting herself into.

Chloe: Clark, let me remind you that you broke up with her. That means Lana can date whoever she wants, with or without your written permission.

Clark: I know. But I still care about her, and I don't want to stand by and watch her get hurt.

Chloe: Look, I hate to be the one to say this, but you don't have a choice.

The fact is that Chloe and Clark only made half hearted attempts to convince Lana that Lex was evil. Then they completely forgot about trying to warn Lana and instead actually contradicted themselves by accepting it and in Chloe’s case even joining in on Lex and Lana’s plans to get married.

Both Chloe and Clark had access to proof in the from of videos, documents and witnesses (episode Justice) that proved Lex was kidnapping, torturing and killing meteor freaks etc five episodes before episode “Promise” yet they told Lana nothing about the evidence they had accumulated.

In fact they even accepted the fact that Lana was going to be married to Lex. Clark did this by telling Lana he hoped Lex makes her very happy.

Proof Episode Hydro:

Lana begs Clark to tell her the truth and instead of doing so and maybe saving her from Lex Clark chooses to lie again. Instead of trying to stop her marriage to Lex he tells her he hopes Lex makes her very happy.

Lana: Even the fact that you told me that you look back at the past and regret it every day? Has that changed, too? I guess that I can't ask you to see me the same way.

[ She turns to leave, walking down the steps when Clark stops her.]

Clark: Lana. I hope Lex makes you very happy.


And Chloe by telling to jump in and take her relationship to the next level with Lex

Proof Episode Wither

Chloe: Lana, I don't know if Lex is the right guy for you or not. I mean, he certainly wouldn't be my first choice, but he wouldn't even really be on my list. You can't just sit safely by the water and watch all the happy people splashing around. I mean, eventually, you have to grow some fins and just dive in.


And later Chloe tells her case closed on Lex and she is happy to be Lana’s her maid of honor in her marriage to Lex. In fact Lana doesn’t need maid of honor tough questions but needs to present Lana with the evidence and witnesses to Lex’s illegal activities.

Proof Episode Crimson

Lana: Chloe, I know that you're just looking out for me, and you've done your Maid-of-Honor duty and asked the tough questions, but I was hoping that we could just get past this.

Chloe: Okay. Case closed. Did I, uh, did I miss something? Maid of Honor?

Lana: Yeah. I hope that you're not allergic to taffeta. That's actually why I came by. Will you stand up with me?



She started to leave Lex a "dear john" note on his wedding day. Isn't that a tad cruel to do to a man she loved, but didn't love as much as Clark?

There is no easy way to do it and the note is standard practice on wedding day cancellations in TV shows and movies. Don’t you remember Mary Jane in Spiderman two and her astronaut fiancé?

And in real life it is pretty common. Just speak to anyone who has worked in the marriage business in catering, wedding planner, band, DJ etc. If the doomed wedding has made it through to the last day for the torpedo job almost all women and at least half the men do it with a note.

Divorce papers are generally done by messenger rather than personally and if you know anyone in the military in any generation there are literally thousands and thousands of Dear John letters, notes, FAXs, Email etc happening day after day after day.

There is nothing mysterious, rare or unusual about a note.

And I do find it hilarious that Lana is demonized for breaking the news in a note to a mass murder psycho Lex Luther while Mary Jane is still the golden girl when she did the same to her American hero astronaut fiancé.



You say she did it because she loved Clark more, not because Lex was a monster to her knowledge. That gutless maneuver is what got her caught by Lionel.

Wrong, getting Lana close to Lex and thus getting Lex’s guard down so he could use Lana as a spy was Lionel’s plan all long. Which was why Lionel told Lex he could be sure that Lana wouldn't stand him up.

And why do you think Lionel was at the manson checking up on Lana just before the start for the cerimoney? Lionel didn’t need any note to remind him to kick off his MB plan!

So note or no note Lionel was going to force Lana Lang to marry Lex. Even if Lana hadn’t found out that Clark still loved her and married Lex by her own free will Lionel still knew she loved Clark Kent and was still going to blackmail her.

It is common sense that Lionel didn’t make up his blackmail plan for an inside spy on the spot twenty seconds after reading the note. Lionel all along was maneuvering to get a spy on the inside that Lex wouldn’t suspect.

You are underrating the Magnificent Bastard. Lionel would never adlib a “patch up job” plan in twenty seconds but would instead be executing a well thought out plan with contingencies in his typical fashion of playing chess with human beings.

Talk about contingencies and scenario planning Lionel even had the dead guy that Lex killed cleaned up by the end of the ceremony. Lionel’s plan was in place long before he read Lana’s note.



Maybe she should've been like Lois on LnC who said "I can't" instead of "I do" at the altar. It would be just as cruel, if not more humiliating for Lex,

Now this is pretty funny.

Oh yes, it is so much more classy to do it at the alter during the ceremony than with a note before the ceremony????????

Can you imagine how the K-site Lana bashers would howl to the high heavens if SV’s Lana did what Lois Lane did to Lex Luther in L&C?



but at least there'd be a lot of witnesses and no chance to blackmail her into going through with it and she'd be saying it to his face.

You really didn’t understand the Magnificent Bastards plan did you. Lana showing up for the wedding was not all Lionel’s plan but only the start of Lionel’s plan.

Lionel had to get Lana married to Lex to get Lex in his debt for the big favor. But the favor was only cover to camouflage to trick Lex about Lionel’s real motives and objective. The actual meat of the plan was to get a spy on the inside that Lex trusted to gather information and turn it over to Lionel.

I am surprised you really didn’t figure this out?

The plan went off course after the forced marriage when Lana tried to go to the Daily Planet with the information she collected on Lex rather than handing it over to Lionel. To stop her Lionel tried to murder Lana but she survived the murder attempt with just a bullet wound. Lionel under estimated Lana when she out foxed both Luthors by faking her own death to escape them both.

No wonder both Lex and Lionel are impressed with Lana Lang and like to call her a Luthor.



Dr. Groll warned her in Fallout

At the time Dr Groll told her he was disappearing, warned her about the Luthors and handed over all his research to her; Dr Groll didn’t off any evidence or witnesses etc so there is no compelling reason for Lana to believe him over Lex who she is in love with.



and then in the very next episode Chloe tried to warn her. "I think there's some stuff you should know about, Lana. About Lex." "I don't want to hear anything more about Lex, I can't." She found out she was "pregnant" and because of that she didn't want to hear anything about Lex. Though I'd think she'd want to know more about Lex so that she'd know whether or not the man helping to raise the child is a good man or a monster. So your defense using Justice doesn't work. Lana said in Rage that she didn't want to know anymore about Lex.

Totally wrong, you are forgetting about the time line.

The above episode that you are referring to is Rage where Lana wants to do charity work in a halfway house, Lex vetoes it and Lana asks Chloe to check out the halfway house.

Just look at the scene you are talking about in context. Chloe immediately drops telling Lana about the halfway house because Lana has just found out she is pregnant.

Proof Episode Rage:

Chloe: Make yourself comfortable. I did my due diligence on the Second Chances Halfway House, and I found --

Lana: Chloe, um... I'm not here to talk about the halfway house.

Chloe: Okay. But there's some stuff I think you should know about, Lana -- about Lex.

Lana: I don't want to hear anything more about Lex. I can't.

Chloe: What's going on? Lana, what happened? Hey, you know you can tell me anything.

Lana: Chloe... I'm pregnant.

Chloe: Okay.

Now I don’t have personal experience on how girls feel and react to surprise pregnancies but I expect that Chloe’s choice to immediately drop the halfway house topic and emotionally support Lana is completely normal.

What isn’t normal is not telling your friend she is marrying a murder, kidnapper, torturer when you have a ton of evidence right in your hand (& hard drive) three or four episodes later i.e. Justice.

Chloe and Clark have every thing they need from hard evidence in video footage to three people, two of which Lana has met before as direct witnesses to being taken captive and worked over/tortured/run to death in Level 33.1.

Instead of following up in Episode Trespass Chloe says case closed on Lex and I am happy to be your maid of honor in your marriage to Lex (a psycho mass murderer). And in Hydro after Lana begging Clark to trust her and tell her the secret Chloe knows Clark tells her it doesn’t matter and he hopes Lex makes her very happy.

So why Chloe and Clark don’t presents the witnesses and evidence to Lana Lang to save her from marrying Lex??????

It is one of the great myths of the K-Site Lana bashers that Chloe and Clark did all they could to save Lana from Lex but the EVOL Lana just wouldn’t believe/listen/counter pointed their evidence etc.

At the time of the wedding Lana still believed Lex was a good man but simply didn’t love him as much as she loved Clark and marrying him wouldn’t be fair to Lex yada yada yada.



But leaving Lex a dear john letter on his wedding day was fair to Lex? :lol:

Just read my “Dear John Letter” counter points above and then see if you can think of any thing to counter point me with.

BTW I find it hilarious how the Lana Lang bashers are crying over Lex the psycho mass murderer’s feelings on the same day that he beats a man to death ten minutes before the marriage ceremony.



No, if she hadn't found out she was pregnant, she probably would've left Lex in Rage after hearing what Chloe was going to tell her, but Lana decided she didn't want to hear it.

No actually the critical element went over your head and thus you missed it.

It is not the pregnancy that is SO important in the marriage decision. What counts is Lana doesn’t think Clark loves her. She has suspicious but no proof. He said he loved her in Crimson but she knows he was drugged up on something.

Why doesn’t Clark doesn’t follow up after Crimson and tell Lana he is still in love with her and save her from Lex? Chloe even asks him if he is going to swoop in and save Lana on the wedding day in the wine cellar. I have the same question but to both Clark and Chloe.

It isn’t until Lana pulls out of her wine cellar plan the double whammy of finding out Clark still loves her and about his powers that she decides she can’t marry Lex.



You're also leaving out Lana sniffing back around Clark in Hydro. He rebuffed her because of the pregnancy and so had no fake pregnancy happened, her and Clark would probably have hooked back up in that episode and she'd have left Lex.

You just contradicted your self. Didn’t you say this: “she'd want to know more about Lex so that she'd know whether or not the man helping to raise the child is a good man or a monster.”

Doesn’t this also hold true for Clark seeing a baby is at risk?

In Hydro if Clark cared about Lana as you said above why would her being pregnant stop him from stopping her from marrying a psycho mass murder?

Being Clark Kent wouldn’t he want to save both Lana Lang and her child from a monster called Lex Luthor?



There's no "huge" difference at all. Lana was doing terrible things, criminal things. You want to justify it by saying she was doing it to the Luthors. It was terrible no matter who she was doing it to.

Yes there is a huge difference. Lana only attacks the Luthors and only after Lex sabotaged her relationship, drugged, mentally and physically abused her etc and Lionel blackmailed and then attempted to murder her. And don’t forget over and over it has been shown that the Luthors are above the law.

The Luthors went after her first so Lana is acting in self defense.

That is a huge difference between self defense and premeditative murder of innocents that happen to be in the way of your quest for power.



“Do you mean the United Nations deciding to take military action against this theoretical paramilitary ethnic cleansing group? If so, it's about that group breaking international laws. It's about justice, not vengeance or vigilantism.”


No, If you kill Nazis that doesn’t make you Jewish Ethnic Cleansers, If you kill Army of God that doesn’t make you responsible for cutting off thousands of hands/feet in sub Sahara Africa, if you kill Khmer Rouge that doesn’t make you responsible for Tuol Svay Prey High School, if kill Al Quada that doesn’t make you responsible for killing innocents in an couple office town in NY or chopping of heads of civilians on video etc.

Even if you break that national law of the country by killing Burmese army regulars before they liquidate a village that doesn’t make you Karon Ethnic Cleansers.



She was in a relationship with Whitney. She's not a loyal girlfriend by any means, but she was in a relationship with Whitney nonetheless.


So what?

Lots of time in boy/girl relationships including long term marriage from time to time people develop an interest in other people but they remain loyal and don’t act on such interests and desires.

Lana never cheated on Whitney and in fact when she decided to act on her new found feelings for Clark and tell Whitney his father died and she decided to stay with Whitney and support him which is being pretty loyal.

Also Lana was aware that Chloe was interested romantically with Clark and in some scenes in the closing episodes of Season 1 that also was a factor in her decision not to pursue a romantic relationship with Clark but just to remain friends.



When someone ascribes "iconic" elements to Lois Lane that are not iconic, that's when I ask the person ... who is your favorite Lois Lane? Looking forward to your answer.

Since Lois doesn’t even appear in this episode and that is really getting off topic I answered your question on a thread of mine in the Theories and Speculation section of the K-site. On that thread the topics are wide open.

Here is the link:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117940

Check out 16. Smallville’s version of Lois Lane is renamed Lucy Lane! in the original post.

Then then at the end of the thread I directly answer your question regarding MY iconic Lois Lane.

All the best,

Cheers Mountain Sniper

[zanaamen]

YAY LANA-FU!!!


lovely motto, I like it http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4679/54164089tf8.gif

[eye]

Why has Lana gone again ? Of course her story with Clark should end so Clark will move to Lois but Lana shouldn't have gone this way. The reason is simple. She should have stayed in order to "help" Clark at his tasks since she can clean a place from kryptonite making this way Clark unstopable. It would have been better for ths series if she had not returned at all but the reason she left is so silly for me

[oqllcksmallville]

it sort of feels like they can never bring her back again, and thats a sad thought?
not even a freindship?

[SGuthrie27]

Whoa, eye, even though I don't really care much for seeing Lana again (unless it's a scene showing that she and Clark have both finally moved on), she certainly would be handy to have around to be on Kryptonite-clean-up duty!

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[drvr8]

Didn't she basically tell Clark that she wasn't strong enough to just merely be friends but not being able to touch or hold him? After all her special training she couldn't handle that aspect of their relationship so she left? Either way it was a really terrible ending to a terrible relationship between the two of them. There was no remorse over her decision to become an experimental human lab rat and get the alien skin. Lex carefully out thought her and ripped away the part of her life that she wanted the most without destroying Clark. Hopefully KK is done with the show and never returns again or when she does return, kryptonite free, Clark tells her, I'm over you and I don't need you anymore and then she kills herself.

And end scene.

[jjsmallvillelvr]

thats sad....^^^

[MountainSniper]

Hi Eye,


Why has Lana gone again ? e

Smallville Reason: Because Lana was infected by kryptonite and can’t be around Clark without killing him.

Real Life Reason: Kristin Kreuk’s contract ran out and she wants to move on to feature films.


Of course her story with Clark should end so Clark will move to Lois but Lana shouldn't have gone this way.

No Clark shouldn’t move on to Lois what Clark should do is move on to Superman!

Clark should concentrate being Superman and not be romantically involved with anyone.

Besides Lois shouldn’t be romantically interested in Clark because to set up the classic triangle of Metropolis/Daily Planet story Lois loves Superman and she treats Clark and his unrequited love for her like crap. Thus Clark has to be alone.

The definitive definition of the hero is sacrifice so Clark must live with the consequences of making the choice with Lana to stop the bomb and in doing so they both lose the love of their lives. If there is no consequences there is no heroic choice.

That is just the way Smallville was written but it doesn’t matter if its Lana or Lois you label as the love of his life. The classic mythos is always the best. Clark doesn’t get anyone but instead with his broken heart still chooses to go out every day and save the world as Superman.



The reason is simple. She should have stayed in order to "help" Clark at his tasks since she can clean a place from kryptonite making this way Clark unstopable. It would have been better for ths series if she had not returned at all but the reason she left is so silly for me

Smallville Reason: Lana is human and is still in love with Clark. She directly stated she can’t emotionally deal with seeing Clark every day but be unable to be near him let alone touch him. There is no cure for her infection which was directly confirmed by the Scientist that invented the suit.

So the Smallville’s star crossed lovers have to accept the consequences of the choice they made to stop the bomb on the top of the Daily Planet, thus Lana is gone from Clark’s life for good.

Real Life Reason: Kristin Kreuk’s contract ran out and she wants to move on to feature films. Dollars to donuts you won’t see her back unless Street fighter bombs.

Cheers Mountain Sniper

[tj_powers]

i dont think shes gone for good. she will make appearances most likely to help the JLA just to make the show staying interesting

[dcmarriott]

I spent some of the past week re-watching season 7, and I'm convinced, more than ever, that the Lana arc in season 8 is a complete reversal of the way the Clark/Lana relationship was developing in season 7. Even before Lana was attacked by Brainiac, there were signs that Clark and Lana were moving in different directions. When Lana reappeared in Bride, it was as if everything that happened in season 7 was forgotten.

When characters act without motivation, or suddently change without explanation, then that's just bad writing. The real probelm with the Clana "resolution" is that it was badly done. Frankly, Lana deserved a better send off.

[myankskent]

I spent some of the past week re-watching season 7, and I'm convinced, more than ever, that the Lana arc in season 8 is a complete reversal of the way the Clark/Lana relationship was developing in season 7. Even before Lana was attacked by Brainiac, there were signs that Clark and Lana were moving in different directions.


It's really hard to say. After "Siren", I got the feeling that Clark and Lana were on the road to repairing their relationship since there wasn't much drama and angst going on between the two. Then Brainiac took Lana over and everything changed.

[dcmarriott]

It's really hard to say. After "Siren", I got the feeling that Clark and Lana were on the road to repairing their relationship since there wasn't much drama and angst going on between the two. Then Brainiac took Lana over and everything changed.

Actually, it was Siren that inspired me to post that comment. The intereaction between the two made me feel that I was watching a relationship that was about to fall apart. In the final scene, Clark seemed to have an air of desperation, like he was trying to prevent the inevitable from happening.

That's why it seemed so wrong that they both behaved like nothing had happened when Lana returned in season 8.

[tj_powers]

I agree to that... the whole thing where she was forced to make that DVD plot was a tad farfetched in my opinion. but thats TPTB's way of saying "hey we make this show the way we want it so tough cookies" lol!

[Dyanara]

That was a load of crap imo! I hate that they totally reversed that dvd thing. Its almost as bad as, it was all a dream effect in the 80s. The way Clark and Lana ended this year was crap, it should have stayed how it ended in season 7.

[InAFlash]

That was a load of crap imo! I hate that they totally reversed that dvd thing. Its almost as bad as, it was all a dream effect in the 80s. The way Clark and Lana ended this year was crap, it should have stayed how it ended in season 7.

I actually enjoyed this 5 episode arc but I can see where you're coming from with this. They had effectively ended the Clark and Lana relationship. Although they were together in S7, it was clearly a dysfunctional relationship. Lana's need for vengeance and the fact that she was unaware that Bizarro was not Clark made even me (a Lana fan) believe she might not be worthy of Clark's love. Then she makes the DVD, basically telling Clark that the world needs you more than I do and it was'nt meant to be. It may not have been a perfect resolution because in order for that to have happened Clark would have had to realize that he did'nt love Lana anymore. But at least this way Lois believes that Lana does not want to be with Clark anymore.

Now they've got a big mess. Lana comes back more mature and becomes the kind of woman who is truly deserving of Clark's love. It also looks bad because of the way he brushed aside Lois. How is she going to feel about being with Clark if she finds out what happened between the two of them? Will she believe that Clark loves her more than he loved Lana? What happens if Lois finds out about Clark's secret and his weakness to kryptonite and also discovers Lana's condition? Will she figure out that the two of them never fell out of love but instead were seperated by the kryptonite and this time Lana wanted to be with Clark? I don't know how TPTB will get out of this one. It's going to be difficult for them to convince viewers that Clark loves Lois more than he loved Lana IMO. But anything is possible I suppose. I guess it also depends on whether the writers even plan to have him move on to Lois at all.

[tj_powers]

with season 9 in the works its a definite yes!

[Clana4Life]

I actually enjoyed this 5 episode arc but I can see where you're coming from with this. They had effectively ended the Clark and Lana relationship. Although they were together in S7, it was clearly a dysfunctional relationship. Lana's need for vengeance and the fact that she was unaware that Bizarro was not Clark made even me (a Lana fan) believe she might not be worthy of Clark's love. Then she makes the DVD, basically telling Clark that the world needs you more than I do and it was'nt meant to be. It may not have been a perfect resolution because in order for that to have happened Clark would have had to realize that he did'nt love Lana anymore. But at least this way Lois believes that Lana does not want to be with Clark anymore.

I, too, enjoyed the 5 episode arc. It was good in my opinion. Their relationship in Season 7 had it's good moments, too. Lana was lying at times, but there were times when they were just happy - riding the horse in the fields, eating breakfast, going to the state fair. No one seems to mention that. Yes, Lana was lying. Clark was lying about his secret for 7 years, yet they still had happy times together. I don't think it was dysfunctional.

If we say that Lana was not worthy of Clark's love, do we also say that at times Clark was not worthy of Lana's love? I hate to say what makes people "worthy of love". If you're really, really good, and really, really honest then you are worthy of love. But if you are bad and make mistakes, or if someone who looks just like your boyfriend tricks you into believing he's your boyfriend, then you're not deserving or worthy of the love of your boyfriend. I think they are both worthy of love, even when they make mistakes.


Now they've got a big mess. Lana comes back more mature and becomes the kind of woman who is truly deserving of Clark's love. It also looks bad because of the way he brushed aside Lois. How is she going to feel about being with Clark if she finds out what happened between the two of them? Will she believe that Clark loves her more than he loved Lana? What happens if Lois finds out about Clark's secret and his weakness to kryptonite and also discovers Lana's condition? Will she figure out that the two of them never fell out of love but instead were seperated by the kryptonite and this time Lana wanted to be with Clark? I don't know how TPTB will get out of this one. It's going to be difficult for them to convince viewers that Clark loves Lois more than he loved Lana IMO. But anything is possible I suppose. I guess it also depends on whether the writers even plan to have him move on to Lois at all.


Clark seems on this pedestal where people have to be worthy or deserving of his love. Maybe I could follow this if Clark was a perfect being who had never made mistakes. But he has his own shortcomings. I just wonder if you think Lois is deserving and worthy of Clark's love? I do agree that Lana came back more mature and determined; however, I think she was pretty mature and determined last season and the season before that too. If Lois is smart, she will at least ask him if he and Lana reconciled. It will be strange if she doesn't even mention it.

It will be difficult to convince viewers about this. But there are those who are so happy about Clois that they don't care how they get together just as long as they get together. For others, they will have to prove that Clark loves Lois with this "great love." Because I've seen for 8 years how much he loves Lana and what lengths he will go to just to be with her. I still remember the guy almost killing himself just to have one more kiss with her. I suspect that he will not get with Lois before the series ends. Clois fans will see what we Clana fans had to deal with for many years - ANGST. They'll have anvils and angst. They'll almost, almost get together but never quite make it. There will be confusion and misunderstandings and hidden feelings. And the Cloisers will be complaining just like Clana fans did. I don't think the DC restriction on a Clois relationship has been lifted. So we may never learn whether Clark loves Lois more. I just think TPTB did a great job of showing how much Clark and Lana love each other. If they can pull that off with Clark and Lois, more power to them. I'm always up for a good love story. I just don't know that they can or that they will be allowed to do so by DC Comics.

[Supsfan]

Yes, Lana was lying. Clark was lying about his secret for 7 years, yet they still had happy times together.

The problem is when Clark didn't tell her the secret he wasn't hurting anyobdy else. Lana had the choice to either go away or live with that fact. Lana secrets involved torturing others, stealing, and spying. You are comparing apples and oranges when you compare the info they hide from eachother.

As for happy times in Season 7 you forgot Lana sleeping with Bizarro and saying how it was the most wonderful month of her life. How can a viewer not take that as a sign of problems in the relationship that Lana seems to be the happiest with a cloned version of Clark who isn't anything like Clark personality wise. What makes it worse is she can't even tell the difference. You think after 6 1/2 years you might pick up things about wierd quirks people may get.

I personally wish Clark told her in like Season 3 he was a meteor freak, it would have shut her up(since it was believable) and caused much Less drama and we wouldn't be subject to endless I need to know your secret storylines. Of coarse by Clark only telling Lana part of his secret means the producers would actually have to write them being happy for a change since Lana could live happily knowing what is so special(or at least thinking) about Clark. When Clark was ready to tell her part 2 of the secret then that could have been an interesting episode.

[Jor'el_Ted]

They should just kill Lana and force Clark to get over her. I say this a long time Clana fan and agree that it should've ended with season 7.

It's hard enough watching her say "goodbye" every single time! Why do the writers insist on playing with our emotions so much?

[Supsfan]

They should just kill Lana and force Clark to get over her. I say this a long time Clana fan and agree that it should've ended with season 7.

It's hard enough watching her say "goodbye" every single time!

If i was writing the final Lana arc, I would have had them make a mutual break up(read that no drama) but Lana's last episode would have been done in a fun way. Have a collection of Lana stalkers return and have her Lana Fu all of them, without Power Suit(sort of a symbollic way to show Lana getting over all her old demons herself and taking no prisoners).

[tj_powers]

a no drama conclusion between the two wouldnt work... especially not on the CW network. they focus so much on drama they would try and still make it tearful lol if they had to end it, then killing her off would be best bet!

[dcmarriott]

One of the things that made the Clark/Lana relationship dysfunctional in season 7 was that Lana seemed to think she had to change to be "worthy" of Clark's love. That belief appears to have persisted into the season 8 story arc, since Lana seems to think she needs the power suit in order to be Clark's "equal".

When two people really love each other, they don't feel the need to prove their worth. You love someone as they are, warts and all. If you have to change who you are in order to be with someone, then what you're feeling is not true love. Triplet's review of Power makes this point much more eloquently than I can.

The point is Clark and Lana's relationship had many problems, and the whole kryptonite-infused-power-suit ending did not properly address them.

[tj_powers]

agreed!

[Dyanara]

with season 9 in the works its a definite yes!

Its not a definite yes. These writers have a habit of ruining things so why wouldnt they continue to ruin Lois Lane and Clark?
As for this idea of Lana being worthy of Clark's love I actually view Clark as not being worthy of either Lana and especially not Lois.

[jlbtjb316]

I am glad that Kristin agreed to come back for her 5 episode arc as I felt that the DVD breakup with Clark last season was a very poor way to end one of the major relationships on the show. As I have said in other threads, I would not have gone the route of giving Lana powers. I feel that the concept could have been executed better, but overall I was pleased with Lana’s arc. I thought that it was very bittersweet to have them finally in love, happy and together only to be broken apart by a common enemy. In a sense I thought the writers got it right. By ending with Clark and Lana still in love, they remained true to what has always been shown on this show – that Clark loves Lana and Lana loves Clark. They did not disrespect their love for one another by having Clark tell Lana that he no longer loves her and has found someone else, and they have not tainted (in my view) the love that Clark will have for Lois in the future. I like the fact that the writers did not pit Lana and Lois against each other and put down one relationship to make the other look superior. I do wish that they had written the Clois relationship one-sided up until this point and that they had not had the almost-kiss in Bride. However, I don’t think that this will have any lasting impact on the Clois relationship. Clark loves Lana now, but in time, he will learn to love again, and that relationship will be beautiful as well.

As for Clark and Lana’s relationship in season 7, I think that they were both in love, but their relationship (like any relationship) had problems and was strained by Lana’s double life. Lana was obviously traumatized by her relationship with Lex, and both she and Clark failed to deal with this pain in a constructive way. Lana was motivated both by revenge and her fierce desire to protect Clark and failed to share her pain with Clark, and I think Lana was hurt by the fact that Clark made no attempts to stop Lex after what he had done to her and others. As for the incident with Bizarro, I think that many fans are too hard on Lana. When Bizarro came into her life, Clark had been away at the Fortress for weeks. He looked exactly like Clark and had Clark’s memories. He knew what Lana liked and needed. It seemed to me that Lana would not have seriously questioned his change in behavior. When someone that you love changes in a way that you like, you do not necessarily question that change. Perhaps she felt that his time at the Fortress had caused him to reassess his priorities and focus on what was important to him. He told her exactly what she wanted and needed to hear. No one, including Chloe, knew that Bizarro was not Clark until he started making mistakes with her and grabbed her. It is unlikely that he made these kinds of mistakes with Lana. Though I understand that Clark was hurt, I also thought that he was too harsh with Lana over this and failed to cut her any slack for not recognizing that it was Bizarro. She seemed devastated by the realization that it was not Clark and chose Clark by destroying Bizarro, but Clark still did not give her any credit for making that choice. After that rough patch of episodes, I thought that it was clear that even though they had problems that they still loved each other and were committed to each other. They needed to have more episodes together after this to show them rebuilding their relationship, but the writers’ strike and Kristin’s work on her new movie made that impossible. My biggest gripe with season 7 was that they took Lana too dark and used the Bizarro incident to further add angst and pain when they should have had Lana and Clark together, happy and working together to go after Lex. I think that Tom and Kristin have excellent romantic chemistry together, and TPTB squandered their time together on screen by miring them down in angst and pain.

"If we say that Lana was not worthy of Clark's love, do we also say that at times Clark was not worthy of Lana's love? I hate to say what makes people "worthy of love". If you're really, really good, and really, really honest then you are worthy of love. But if you are bad and make mistakes, or if someone who looks just like your boyfriend tricks you into believing he's your boyfriend, then you're not deserving or worthy of the love of your boyfriend. I think they are both worthy of love, even when they make mistakes."

Clana4Life, I like what you said here about Lana being worthy of Clark’s love. I think that Clark and Lana do love each other despite their mistakes and weaknesses. I don’t think that Lana thought she had to change to be worthy of Clark’s love either in Season 7 or Season 8. She knows that Clark loves her. I think Lana wanted to change because she came to realize that she needed to change because she was wrong for seeking revenge against Lionel and Lex in the way that she did. Based on the advice that she gave Tess at the end of Power and based on what she said to Clark when she stopped him from going after Lex, I think she feels that her pursuit of vengeance consumed her and almost caused her to lose herself and everything that she loved. I would think that Clark fans would be happy that he does indeed bring out the best in people as Irma said in Legion. He helped Lana come back from a place of hurt and revenge to a place where she wants to put all that behind her and work by his side to help others. From the beginning of the show, we have seen that Lana has a desire to help others, and Clark helped her to refocus her life on that goal.

As for why Lana chose to wear the Prometheus suit, I do not feel that Lana was power hungry or selfish or that she did it to win Clark’s love. Lana knew that the technology could not end up in Lex's hands because of the harm that he could inflict on others. Having once had Clark's powers, maybe she saw the potential to enhance her own abilities to help people even more than she normally would be able to. It’s true that she could have simply destroyed the technology, but maybe she didn’t want something that could be used to help so many people to be wasted. She knows that whoever wears the suit could be a threat to Clark and knows that if she were to wear the suit that she would not only be able to do good on a much larger scale than she normally would but would not have to worry about it being used to harm Clark. If the technology had been used by someone else, Lana would have no way of ensuring that it would be used for good and that it would not be used against Clark. Maybe that’s why she wanted to wear it herself. Regardless of why she chose to wear the suit instead of destroying it, I thought they tried to make it very clear that she wanted the suit so that she could "imprint this stamp of positivity on the world" as Carter said. Indeed, Irma in Legion verifies that Lana does use her powers for good. Lana herself tells Tess that she did not put the suit on for protection but so that she could do good in the world. I think the writers tried to show that she has learned from her mistakes and has searched her heart and motivations and worked to prepare herself for the responsibility and sacrifices that come with wearing the suit. It seemed to me that she did this because it is how she wanted to good in this world and that it was not until after Bulletproof that she had hope that with the suit she might also be able to share her life with Clark. To some, it seems like she can never be forgiven and redeemed and will never be good enough for Clark no matter what she does, but I do feel that she has learned from her mistakes and wants to help make the world a better place.

In the end, she could not have known how Lex would take out his revenge on both her and Clark. She will be able to go on and do much good in the world, but she will have paid a high personal cost that she could not have anticipated. I thought the ending scene between them was very well done and heartbreaking.

[Clana4Life]

Jlbtjb316, this was a very good post.


I am glad that Kristin agreed to come back for her 5 episode arc as I felt that the DVD breakup with Clark last season was a very poor way to end one of the major relationships on the show. As I have said in other threads, I would not have gone the route of giving Lana powers. I feel that the concept could have been executed better, but overall I was pleased with Lana’s arc. I thought that it was very bittersweet to have them finally in love, happy and together only to be broken apart by a common enemy. In a sense I thought the writers got it right. By ending with Clark and Lana still in love, they remained true to what has always been shown on this show – that Clark loves Lana and Lana loves Clark. They did not disrespect their love for one another by having Clark tell Lana that he no longer loves her and has found someone else, and they have not tainted (in my view) the love that Clark will have for Lois in the future. I like the fact that the writers did not pit Lana and Lois against each other and put down one relationship to make the other look superior. I do wish that they had written the Clois relationship one-sided up until this point and that they had not had the almost-kiss in Bride. However, I don’t think that this will have any lasting impact on the Clois relationship. Clark loves Lana now, but in time, he will learn to love again, and that relationship will be beautiful as well.

I was glad to see those happy moments this season. We got a glimpse at what life would have been like for the two of them - happy and working together. I feel like throughout the 8 years, we have seen a lot of happy Clana moments. My favorite was from Hidden at the end when Lana find Clark alive. She jumps up into his arms and they just hold each other. Overall TPTB did a great job with this relationship. They had their problems, but I never questioned their love for each other or the intensity of it. I for one am glad that they did not disrespect the love that Clark and Lana had for each other. After loving someone for such a lengthy amount of time, I'm of the opinion that it takes long than a few months to be "over" them. I think a part of him will always love her and she him. The two have said as much and I think this is realistic.
I do think in time Clark will learn again. I just hope the writers give it time to develop. They have another season at the helm, there's no need to rush it. If done well, they may even capture the fans who loved Clark and Lana. We are afterall, Clark fans and do want him to be happy again. I would and could enjoy Clark & Lois as long as it does not come at the expense of Clark & Lana's love. So the big thing in the equation is time.


As for Clark and Lana’s relationship in season 7, I think that they were both in love, but their relationship (like any relationship) had problems and was strained by Lana’s double life. Lana was obviously traumatized by her relationship with Lex, and both she and Clark failed to deal with this pain in a constructive way. Lana was motivated both by revenge and her fierce desire to protect Clark and failed to share her pain with Clark, and I think Lana was hurt by the fact that Clark made no attempts to stop Lex after what he had done to her and others. As for the incident with Bizarro, I think that many fans are too hard on Lana. When Bizarro came into her life, Clark had been away at the Fortress for weeks. He looked exactly like Clark and had Clark’s memories. He knew what Lana liked and needed. It seemed to me that Lana would not have seriously questioned his change in behavior. When someone that you love changes in a way that you like, you do not necessarily question that change. Perhaps she felt that his time at the Fortress had caused him to reassess his priorities and focus on what was important to him. He told her exactly what she wanted and needed to hear. No one, including Chloe, knew that Bizarro was not Clark until he started making mistakes with her and grabbed her. It is unlikely that he made these kinds of mistakes with Lana. Though I understand that Clark was hurt, I also thought that he was too harsh with Lana over this and failed to cut her any slack for not recognizing that it was Bizarro. She seemed devastated by the realization that it was not Clark and chose Clark by destroying Bizarro, but Clark still did not give her any credit for making that choice. After that rough patch of episodes, I thought that it was clear that even though they had problems that they still loved each other and were committed to each other. They needed to have more episodes together after this to show them rebuilding their relationship, but the writers’ strike and Kristin’s work on her new movie made that impossible. My biggest gripe with season 7 was that they took Lana too dark and used the Bizarro incident to further add angst and pain when they should have had Lana and Clark together, happy and working together to go after Lex. I think that Tom and Kristin have excellent romantic chemistry together, and TPTB squandered their time together on screen by miring them down in angst and pain.

I do wish that Clark and Lana could have had a good talk about what she went through with Lex. I think this was supposedly done off screen. Bizarro said something very good though when he was pretending to be Clark. He said I should have let you talk about what Lex did to you, but I just wanted to forget about it and pretend it never happened. This is something Clark should have done -- talked to her. What she went through with that baby fiasco was traumatizing. Fans have been hard on her when a lot of those fans didn't even know it was Bizarro until the very end. I admit, I didn't even know it was Bizarro. I thought Clark was acting a bit weird, but I didn't know it was Bizarro. So I join your club Lana and I've watched Clark for 7+ years, too. I'm not the only fan that was fooled.

People continue to quote the line where she says, "I've never been more in love than I was the past few months, only it wasn't with you. It was with him."

It was never discussed whether or not she was lying to put Bizarro's defenses down or if she was telling the truth. Even if she was more in love with Bizarro, it was because she thought it was Clark. So she was not really in love with Bizarro - the phantom being. This being had all of Clark's memories, his face, his tendencies, his personality, and he was more affectionate. Bizarro built off of Clark. She was in love with Clark. If he had come as himself or looking like anyone else, he wouldn't have gotten within two feet of her. But he impersonated Clark.

And yes, they seemed to be on their way to rebuilding the relationship in Siren. They hit a big rough patch, but they still were committed to being together and working through it. That says a lot.


"If we say that Lana was not worthy of Clark's love, do we also say that at times Clark was not worthy of Lana's love? I hate to say what makes people "worthy of love". If you're really, really good, and really, really honest then you are worthy of love. But if you are bad and make mistakes, or if someone who looks just like your boyfriend tricks you into believing he's your boyfriend, then you're not deserving or worthy of the love of your boyfriend. I think they are both worthy of love, even when they make mistakes."

Clana4Life, I like what you said here about Lana being worthy of Clark’s love. I think that Clark and Lana do love each other despite their mistakes and weaknesses. I don’t think that Lana thought she had to change to be worthy of Clark’s love either in Season 7 or Season 8. She knows that Clark loves her. I think Lana wanted to change because she came to realize that she needed to change because she was wrong for seeking revenge against Lionel and Lex in the way that she did. Based on the advice that she gave Tess at the end of Power and based on what she said to Clark when she stopped him from going after Lex, I think she feels that her pursuit of vengeance consumed her and almost caused her to lose herself and everything that she loved. I would think that Clark fans would be happy that he does indeed bring out the best in people as Irma said in Legion. He helped Lana come back from a place of hurt and revenge to a place where she wants to put all that behind her and work by his side to help others. From the beginning of the show, we have seen that Lana has a desire to help others, and Clark helped her to refocus her life on that goal.

As for why Lana chose to wear the Prometheus suit, I do not feel that Lana was power hungry or selfish or that she did it to win Clark’s love. Lana knew that the technology could not end up in Lex's hands because of the harm that he could inflict on others. Having once had Clark's powers, maybe she saw the potential to enhance her own abilities to help people even more than she normally would be able to. It’s true that she could have simply destroyed the technology, but maybe she didn’t want something that could be used to help so many people to be wasted. She knows that whoever wears the suit could be a threat to Clark and knows that if she were to wear the suit that she would not only be able to do good on a much larger scale than she normally would but would not have to worry about it being used to harm Clark. If the technology had been used by someone else, Lana would have no way of ensuring that it would be used for good and that it would not be used against Clark. Maybe that’s why she wanted to wear it herself. Regardless of why she chose to wear the suit instead of destroying it, I thought they tried to make it very clear that she wanted the suit so that she could "imprint this stamp of positivity on the world" as Carter said. Indeed, Irma in Legion verifies that Lana does use her powers for good. Lana herself tells Tess that she did not put the suit on for protection but so that she could do good in the world. I think the writers tried to show that she has learned from her mistakes and has searched her heart and motivations and worked to prepare herself for the responsibility and sacrifices that come with wearing the suit. It seemed to me that she did this because it is how she wanted to good in this world and that it was not until after Bulletproof that she had hope that with the suit she might also be able to share her life with Clark. To some, it seems like she can never be forgiven and redeemed and will never be good enough for Clark no matter what she does, but I do feel that she has learned from her mistakes and wants to help make the world a better place.

In the end, she could not have known how Lex would take out his revenge on both her and Clark. She will be able to go on and do much good in the world, but she will have paid a high personal cost that she could not have anticipated. I thought the ending scene between them was very well done and heartbreaking.

That's another thing I hear a lot on these boards that Lana is "power hungry." Power was the first episode Lana talked about wanting power. So this is a big exaggeration to say she's power hungry and always wanting power. She explained why she wanted to suit. It was a smart call. Had Lex not interfered, Clark and Lana would have a a dynamic duo - committed to saving people and helping out. It would have been nice. The writers did a good job of conveying what Lana wanted to do with her powers. As you said, Lana herself talked about her motivations. And she proved it by putting the people of Metropolis before herself. KK did enough interviews that spelled out that she wanted to encourage girls and show Lana as a powerful, mature person. Irma further proved this by talking about all of the great things Lana does for the world. The proof is there.
As for the ending, it should probably go down in tv history as one of the best heartfelt and heartbreaking romantic scenes ever. Titanic is another one that I loved as well as the ending in Gone With the Wind. TW & KK did a fantastic job in this scene. Lana can hardly catch a break sometimes, but I've enjoyed her. I've enjoyed Clana. It was a good run.

Again, Jlbtjb316, this was a very great post. I look forward to reading more posts by you.

[Supsfan]

a no drama conclusion between the two wouldnt work... especially not on the CW network. they focus so much on drama they would try and still make it tearful lol if they had to end it, then killing her off would be best bet!

That has always been my issue with the Clana relationship. To often it was written to have Drama for the sake of Drama. After 7 years of seeing them find every reason to make the characters miserable in the presence of eachother maybe some of us would have liked a nice mature way for both characters to move on with there life and have a somewhat happy ending(as happy as it could be when 2 people break up) for both Clana and the Lana character herself.

[tj_powers]

Its not a definite yes. These writers have a habit of ruining things so why wouldnt they continue to ruin Lois Lane and Clark?
As for this idea of Lana being worthy of Clark's love I actually view Clark as not being worthy of either Lana and especially not Lois.

They wouldnt build up to it and have a 9th season if they didnt intend to make it happen.



That has always been my issue with the Clana relationship. To often it was written to have Drama for the sake of Drama. After 7 years of seeing them find every reason to make the characters miserable in the presence of eachother maybe some of us would have liked a nice mature way for both characters to move on with there life and have a somewhat happy ending(as happy as it could be when 2 people break up) for both Clana and the Lana character herself.

what would be the point of having a show if they cut out all the drama. I understand your point of view about it but I honestly believe that its all necessary because thats how the show was built up and no drama... no show!

[Supsfan]

what would be the point of having a show if they cut out all the drama. I understand your point of view about it but I honestly believe that its all necessary because thats how the show was built up and no drama... no show!

Well I agree the show needs some drama, but they could have limited the relationship drama a bit and added more drama in other places(such as Clark being a hero). The "I need to know your secret" drama got old about Season 5. At the end of the day they need to have some happy conclusion to all the crap they put up with as well. With Clark and Lana it always seemd like the writers were like ok what crappy situation can we put Clark in to make him miserable, and when they finished that it was just dropped out of the story completely then they would show him happy for a bit then back to the next crappy situation, repeat. If they also wanted relationship Drama they could have found another vice besides "secrets" as well, it was always secrets that one was keeping from the other that caused the issues. Now if 2 people can't communicate that well, how am I supposed to believe they will have a healthy relationship.

You think after 7 years of being miserable more often then being happy, that 2 people could realize that maybe there relationship isn't for the best and move on.

[tj_powers]

lol but then what... if they decided to move on after like season 3... then 4 was about lana and the football coach and clark with the psycho transporting girl (im bad with names ok lol) season 5-6-7 would have been seriously banal!

[Clana4Life]

Yep, drama keeps the show alive. In tv-land a happy couple is a boring couple. If Clark had told Lana his secret in Season 2, then end of show - no problems. Nothing left to build off of. They must have problems, work through them and have more problems and work through those, etc. Pretty much the plot of every show with the exception of the sitcoms.

[Supsfan]

Yep, drama keeps the show alive. In tv-land a happy couple is a boring couple. If Clark had told Lana his secret in Season 2, then end of show - no problems.

But there was other forms of drama they could have used besides Clark keeping his secret from her, weither it be relationship or hero related. Personally I enjoyed Season 4 alot because for the most part Clark isn't as whiney and self loathing and guess what happened that season. Yes they basically split him and Lana apart. I hated witch Lana that season but over time I realize that as stupid as witch Lana was, it's much better then relationship Lana because Clark comes off much better when he doesn't have that anchor around his leg constantly making him depressed.

I personally think Smallville should have been written a little more like Seventh Heaven when it came to relationship drama and alot less then Dawson's Creek. I particularly didn't care for either show personally, but I think Seventh Heaven fits a Superman story much better then Dawson's Creek.

[InAFlash]

If we say that Lana was not worthy of Clark's love, do we also say that at times Clark was not worthy of Lana's love? I hate to say what makes people "worthy of love". If you're really, really good, and really, really honest then you are worthy of love. But if you are bad and make mistakes, or if someone who looks just like your boyfriend tricks you into believing he's your boyfriend, then you're not deserving or worthy of the love of your boyfriend. I think they are both worthy of love, even when they make mistakes.

Clark seems on this pedestal where people have to be worthy or deserving of his love. Maybe I could follow this if Clark was a perfect being who had never made mistakes. But he has his own shortcomings.

Hey Clana4Life,

You make some great points here. Recently, in another thread me and Dominicus were discussing Clark's actions on Red-K. He was trying to convince me that all Red-K does is lower his inhibitions and that he is aware of the consequences of his actions, and therefore responsible for them. I did'nt want to believe this at first but was forced to after doing my own research. I now have to see Clark as anything but perfect. Of couse almost everytime he was on Red-K it was'nt his fault. In "Red" he was unaware that his school ring would have that effect on him. Pete and Alicia drugged him with Red-K in different episodes and he had no idea that Lois' lips in "Crimson" were covered with Red-K. However, at the end of S2 and the beginning of S3 he willingly puts that ring on and does some horrible things. He could have taken it off but chose not to do so. He also lied to Lana as much as she lied to him. This would definitely seem to support what you're saying here -- that they both made mistakes and neither one is perfect and therefore they're both worthy of each other's love.

The reason I said that I was having a difficult time believing Lana was worthy of his love is not because I don't believe she is. It's only because that's what TPTB are showing me. For example, they dress Lana in S4, S5 and S6 in black clothing for the most part. The symbolism here is going to have an unconscious effect on many viewers whether they're aware of it or not. Then they put her in a relationship with Lex and we see Lex in black most of the time and we all know what he will become. So what are we to make of Lana? Is she good or bad? She certainly had'nt done anything horrible up to the end of S6 but nonetheless the writers have created some doubt in the minds of the audience. We all know no matter what bad deeds Clark does he will still end up a hero, but with Lana we're not sure. Then S7 starts and Lana and Clark are together. We soon find out that Lana is behind the kidnapping and torture of Lionel Luther. Many viewers are probably having their doubts about Lana at this point. They make it worse by showing us that Lionel is still on Clark's side and therefore Lana is doing harm to one of Clark's allies in the battle against good and evil. Then in "Wrath" Lana aquires Clark's abilities but she does'nt use them responsibly and tries to kill Lex. Once again they have her wearing black and as she's about to kill Lex, Lex says "The only one who will suffer is you...from knowing that Clark would never look at you the same way again. He's not like us Lana. We understand that we do whatever it takes to survive. Think on it. You'll lose Clark forever." So the audience is unsure whether she's more like Lex or Clark.

So if I had to look at this show as objectively as possible I'd have to say that she is'nt any better or worse than Clark. As I discussed before Clark's actions on Red-K have to be considered given that he is aware of the consequences of his actions. Clark also came close to killing Lionel in S6 after he found out that he forced Lana to marry Lex. It was the Martian Manhunter that stopped him from doing this, but he did'nt stop himself. The problem is the perception that the writers create by brushing aside Clark's misdeeds and magnifying Lana's. It seems that after Clark does these horrible things they're quickly forgotten. But with Lana that's not the case. We see Chloe lecture her in "Wrath" about her actions against Lex. In this scene even Chloe seems to suggest that Lana is not worthy of Clark by mentioning the dark side of Isis and warning her that she will not let her destroy Clark. Some more powerful dialogue comes from Lionel in "Action": He says "You are on the edge of a dangerous precipice. You could easily tumble down into someplace very dark... and very hard to escape. I don't believe your good intentions. You're not trying to protect Clark. This is about retribution. Let him go, Lana, before it's too late." And in "Wrath" he says to Clark "Samson trusted Delilah with the secret of his strength, but his trust didn't prevent Delilah from betraying him." And in "Blue" Clark's mother Lara tells Lana, "You're worried I'll discover the darkness you're concealing. Don't let it overpower the goodness. You must fight it." So it's very difficult to be objective when they're showing me all of this. Personally, I like Lana a great deal and I defend her on these boards but the reason I wrote that in my previous post is because of what I was perceiving due to what the writers were constantly showing me especially in S7 -- her dark side.

Then of course there's the Bizarro situation. Now I understand she did not consciously know that he was not Clark. But if two people really love one another it's much more than just physical. There is a bond and a connection that is mental, emotional, and spiritual. A popular term in our society is women's intuition. She's a woman and yet she had no clue. I just don't know exactly what to make of this. It certainly did'nt show her character in a good light but then she was redeemed by killing Bizarro and saving Clark's life.


I just wonder if you think Lois is deserving and worthy of Clark's love?

Lois is absolutely worthy of his love. After being forced to see Clark for the imperfect being that he is I would have to ask myself if he's worthy of her love.

Thanks Clana4Life for responding to my post. I welcome any response you have to this post. Sometimes this show drives me crazy. I don't know what to believe sometimes. I've had to change my point of view so often due to all the great opinions on these boards. FWIW I'm hoping the writers choose Clana over Clois.

[Dyanara]

They wouldnt build up to it and have a 9th season if they didnt intend to make it happen.

I'm sorry Im a pessimist so I believe they actually would do that, look what they have done this season. Built it all up then, threw it over a ledge. If you are just trying to be optimistic then I apologize for pooping all up in your party.

[Sunny8]

Yep, drama keeps the show alive. In tv-land a happy couple is a boring couple. If Clark had told Lana his secret in Season 2, then end of show - no problems. Nothing left to build off of. They must have problems, work through them and have more problems and work through those, etc. Pretty much the plot of every show with the exception of the sitcoms.

Martha and Jonathan were not a boring couple. I think the writers keep writing soap opera relationships because they are lazy.

[tj_powers]

I'm sorry Im a pessimist so I believe they actually would do that, look what they have done this season. Built it all up then, threw it over a ledge. If you are just trying to be optimistic then I apologize for pooping all up in your party.

meh i still think something good will come of it im sure. if not then what would be the point of having lois in the show then. she was brought in for that reason.

[Snowfire]

As heartbreaking as it was to see Requiem, Clark and Lana's love will survive this. And it's even more powerful than it was before because TPTB chose not to end it like so many Cloisers wished. They aren't dumb enough to try to kill the heart of the show.

It was a good resolution for what they could come up with in KK's final 5 episodes. And what I got out of it was even more promise that this wasn't the end of them. Even with Smallville playing up the Lois and Clark angle to please those fans who can only see what other mediums have made of their relationship, I have no doubt about how much stronger and beautiful Clark and Lana are in this universe. Even if we don't see Lana come back the future is much more brighter for them than the present is. And maybe Lana is now immortal or close to it thanks to her suit. So Lois can just wither and die, and Clark will still have the true love in his life. There's so many positives, I really could just go on but I wont.

I have hope that TPTB will stay true to the heart of the show that has kept the show alive for so long and bring Clana full circle for the series finale. They've already rocked the mythos so much why wouldn't they make good on that glimmer of hope they gave us in Requiem. When Lana is cured (like her necklace was), then she and Clark can be together again and they can finally have their happily ever after.

[tj_powers]

As heartbreaking as it was to see Requiem, Clark and Lana's love will survive this. And it's even more powerful than it was before because TPTB chose not to end it like so many Cloisers wished. They aren't dumb enough to try to kill the heart of the show.

It was a good resolution for what they could come up with in KK's final 5 episodes. And what I got out of it was even more promise that this wasn't the end of them. Even with Smallville playing up the Lois and Clark angle to please those fans who can only see what other mediums have made of their relationship, I have no doubt about how much stronger and beautiful Clark and Lana are in this universe. Even if we don't see Lana come back the future is much more brighter for them than the present is. And maybe Lana is now immortal or close to it thanks to her suit. So Lois can just wither and die, and Clark will still have the true love in his life. There's so many positives, I really could just go on but I wont.

I have hope that TPTB will stay true to the heart of the show that has kept the show alive for so long and bring Clana full circle for the series finale. They've already rocked the mythos so much why wouldn't they make good on that glimmer of hope they gave us in Requiem. When Lana is cured (like her necklace was), then she and Clark can be together again and they can finally have their happily ever after.


staying true to the mythos means clark and lana will never have a happy ending. clark's future is with Lois, not Lana! i think the entire show was about trying to shwo that lana was as far as perfect for clark and clark kept making the wrong choice of being with her. before she knew of his secret, she was conniving to find out. she kept insisting to him to tell her and accused him of lying,w hen she in fact always lied about things that had happened. clark never found out that lana killed mrs. teague or jer constant researching the spaceship... she hid alot from him and still accused him of doing the same and i think that was a clear cut sign that they were not right for each other but couldnt get over their own infatuations.

[unfocused]

It's true that the mythos Clana was pretty terrible. And it ended terrible. Clana fans are actually lucky Smallville didn't stick to the mythos for them, because from what I've read, Lana could be a pretty selfish, self absorbed, clingy person.

And that wasn't meant to excite any responses like "she already is" or "too late" or "is that sarcasm?" Because only unoriginal people would say something like that in response to a post like mine ;)

[mr lane]

As heartbreaking as it was to see Requiem, Clark and Lana's love will survive this. And it's even more powerful than it was before because TPTB chose not to end it like so many Cloisers wished. They aren't dumb enough to try to kill the heart of the show.

It was a good resolution for what they could come up with in KK's final 5 episodes. And what I got out of it was even more promise that this wasn't the end of them. Even with Smallville playing up the Lois and Clark angle to please those fans who can only see what other mediums have made of their relationship, I have no doubt about how much stronger and beautiful Clark and Lana are in this universe. Even if we don't see Lana come back the future is much more brighter for them than the present is. And maybe Lana is now immortal or close to it thanks to her suit. So Lois can just wither and die, and Clark will still have the true love in his life. There's so many positives, I really could just go on but I wont.

I have hope that TPTB will stay true to the heart of the show that has kept the show alive for so long and bring Clana full circle for the series finale. They've already rocked the mythos so much why wouldn't they make good on that glimmer of hope they gave us in Requiem. When Lana is cured (like her necklace was), then she and Clark can be together again and they can finally have their happily ever after.

theres a simple reason why this wont happen

because KK chose not to come back

[Snowfire]

theres a simple reason why this wont happen

because KK chose not to come back

She chose not to not be on the cast anymore because she wants to move on with her career and needed a break from the Smallville's extreme character development of Lana and the negativity of some rabid fans.

But she said in an interview she said she'ld be willing to return for the series finale. But they would really have to make it worth it for her. So I have hope. And if Smallville is still on the air Lana still has the possibility of reuniting with Clark. :D

[jjsmallvillelvr]

i love the optimism snowfire! :)

[Snowfire]

i love the optimism snowfire! :)

Thanks. I'm all about spreading the love around here.

[jjsmallvillelvr]

especially the clana love :P i gotta tell ya tho the clana love is not much apprecitaed around here. there ALOT of clana hate especially sice she ruined the bride kiss, but i can direct you towrds a clana freindly place...we have a thread in the realationship section! :D

[Snowfire]

especially the clana love :P i gotta tell ya tho the clana love is not much apprecitaed around here. there ALOT of clana hate especially sice she ruined the bride kiss, but i can direct you towrds a clana freindly place...we have a thread in the realationship section! :D

I know where the sweeter places are, thanks, but I want to support the Clana love that needs to be here. We should all feel welcome around here but these boards seem to be dominated by Superman-mythos fans. I love Smallville for the show it is not for what its based on. I couldn't care less about who he's "supposed" to be or who he "should" be with or what other versions have done. After 8 years of watching this story unfold I have been moved by how heartbreakingly beautiful Clana's story is.

Smallville will always be Clana's home.

[jjsmallvillelvr]

i agree...clana is so sweet and heartbreaking...so very heartbreaking :(

[suzieQ]

I know where the sweeter places are, thanks, but I want to support the Clana love that needs to be here. We should all feel welcome around here but these boards seem to be dominated by Superman-mythos fans. I love Smallville for the show it is not for what its based on. I couldn't care less about who he's "supposed" to be or who he "should" be with or what other versions have done. After 8 years of watching this story unfold I have been moved by how heartbreakingly beautiful Clana's story is.

Smallville will always be Clana's home.

I admire your Clana devotion! The Clanas here are a stalwart bunch! I love it!;)

[emc3015]

Ok so I am a clois fan, but after these last few episodes I see who Clark truly wants to be with, Lana. That last scene was so powerful and sad. Image if that was you and there person you loved. It was so sad. It's going to be hard getting used to no more Lana at all I'll admit. But with the two of them at the end kissing and crying saying they love each other, that strong of a relationship and feelings for each other, how could you ever see Clark truly wanting to be with Lois or know that he has lost his love for Lana. We all know Lana will always be his real love. It will be harder than ever to accept Clois after this episode. Agreed?

Agreed. In SV Clark always chose Lana (remember S4's "Blank"?) and it will always be Lana!

[thangbipbomz]

no. I WANT HER BACK! RUWR!

[supergirl28]

Lana made a nice exit from the show. Clark can get on with his life and be superman.
Clana fan forever.

[__jb]

Lana should have never come back the last time...

Lana should never come back again...

And for gogs sake don't ever let Chloe/Allison direct another episode...

[tbird4u]

I hated the arc. I hated that they went the route that they went with it. That said.. I know where clark's heart lies now..so if she does come back..I'm not worried.

[__jb]

Yea, but you know if they bring KK back they will start up a triangle and slow down the Clois progress... They'll waste half a year on the Cloisana triangle...

Don't want!

[Antiyonder]

The way it ended was touching, maybe, but not right.

Clark's unwillingness to let go of Lana was a major aspect of the character for many seasons. Their relationship should have ended because Clark realizes that he needs to move on, not because being next to her is literally hazardous to his health.

Sure he moved on with Lois, but if not for Lana absorbing all of that Kryptonite, the feelings he had for Lois would have died. So in the end we miss out on a character growth opportunity for Clark.

[Cloning Blues]

This was a horrible idea that got executed really well. As many people have said it's trite, and it makes Lois look like the silver medalist. That said, it was done very well. In that ending scene I, for the first time in show, understood why Clark liked Lana in the first place. I loathe her, and it still hurt to watch that scene; it's probably one of KK's best performances in show.

[mirandalynn22]

I will never think it was done well and I don't understand how people think it makes Lois look like a second choice. I have posted many thoughts on this subject in other thread's and am tired so I won't go into detail I just feel the whole ending was bad for LANA. Not Clana, I would have preferred they end in a mature way, end as friends. But we got what we got, they decided to show us that Clark's relationship with Lana had always been like kryptonite for him by turning Lana into kryptonite. It wasn't my favorite idea, but they did it. My issue though is what they did to LANA. I like her, I really and truly do, but the way they ended her made me want to ram my head through a wall. She felt so un-worthy of Clark and was so obsessed with Lex that the only thing she could do was steal a super suit in order to get it away from Lex and also be good enough to be with Clark. I hated that a show was telling impressionable young girls watching that you need to change in order to be good enough for someone. No, that's no it, she should have thought she was good enough on her own. After all, if you have to change who you are completely to be with someone, well, then the relationship isn't right.