Clana/Lana Resolution - All Discussion

[Mickey_Bickey]

lol no hes loved her and her him the whole time..they havent always seen eye to eye obviously

They've loved other people, so therefore they haven't loved one another full time.

[unfocused]

I know that, but it's bad story. I wanted Clark to say "Maybe is the final nail on out dysfunctional relation, as a sign that we are simply not meant to be."

THAT is a closure. Doesn't matter if is Lana, Lois, Chloe or the Metropolis Sharks.

Of course it matters. The whole point of Mickey Bickey's comment is that Lois doesn't make Clark look like a bafoon.

[Dominicus]

you wont have to worry about that bcuz by the time he gets with her the series will be over That's your hope not a reality. There wll most likely will be a ninth season, The show's strong as it ever was, and when the series finally does end. I expect to see a movie or two.

[Timester]

Is it contrived? I believe so. But bad story telling won't change the end of the journey.

Exactly.

[Drasix]

I'm talking about storywise. There is no "this is Smallville, not the comics", the story is one and the same. There must be a flow on the writing, or else it sucks and is simply bad story.

And the next time you "misunderstand" someone's post, I'll report you as a troll.did clark and lanas relationship go this far in the comics???didnt think so yeah there is plenty of "this is smallville,not the comics" the story is not completely 1 in the same , the clana relationship proves this

[Mickey_Bickey]

The Clana no-ending made Clark look like a bafoon. He was totally whipped there.

I agree that he looked like an utter bafoon! All I'm saying is that Lois' character has quite the opposite affect on his, and that's why I prefer them together. His character is much stronger and "alpha like" around Lois Lane.

[Timester]

K... but again, that was Lana, not Lois.

Even if was the Pope or God himself. I don't want to see Clark acting like a bafoon around anyone, especially Lana.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Even if was the Pope or God himself. I don't want to see Clark acting like a bafoon around anyone, especially Lana.

He won't unless Lana's character resurfaces!:lol:

[Timester]

I agree that he looked like an utter bafoon! All I'm saying is that Lois' character has quite the opposite affect on his, and that's why I prefer them together. His character is much stronger and "alpha like" around Lois Lane.

Yeah, I was agreeing with you. :p

[skugers]

I don't think Clois will happen this season. Maybe in S9, but I doubt it also. I think in SV the Clark/Lois relationship will be kept at the stage of tease for the Superman fans

[unfocused]

Even if was the Pope or God himself. I don't want to see Clark acting like a bafoon around anyone, especially Lana.
here you go...


I agree that he looked like an utter bafoon! All I'm saying is that Lois' character has quite the opposite affect on his, and that's why I prefer them together. His character is much stronger and "alpha like" around Lois Lane.

[wafflles87]

did clark and lanas relationship go this far in the comics???didnt think so yeah there is plenty of "this is smallville,not the comics" the story is not completely 1 in the same , the clana relationship proves this


No, but Clark and Lori's relationship went this far, and then some in the comics. And they too were separated not by choice, but by circumstance.
Point being, Clark being separated from a woman he loves before Lois is nothing new. Yet he still ends up with Lois, and he still makes it obvious that while he loved those he lost, that is nothing compared to what he feels for the lovely miss Lane.

[Timester]

did clark and lanas relationship go this far in the comics???didnt think so yeah there is plenty of "this is smallville,not the comics" the story is not completely 1 in the same , the clana relationship proves this

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Lana is Gone. Fact.
Clois is the endgame. Fact.

The story is one and the same. Fact. You are confusing story with events.

[Drasix]

And what will your excuse be if Smallville doesn't end this season?



That's because it was Lana. Not Lois. i'll have no reason for an excuse but the fact remains that lois is second place because of requiem

[Mickey_Bickey]

Yeah, I was agreeing with you. :p

Let's just hope that the writers put his character back on track and hopefully never look back!:)

[unfocused]

I don't think Clois will happen this season. Maybe in S9, but I doubt it also. I think in SV the Clark/Lois relationship will be kept at the stage of tease for the Superman fans
Sorry, but not on this network, buddy :p

[Timester]

No, but Clark and Lori's relationship went this far, and then some in the comics. And they too were separated not by choice, but by circumstance.

Thank you for bringing up Lori. The Lana arc is Lori+Mon-El wrapped in one character.

[unfocused]

i'll have no reason for an excuse but the fact remains that lois is second place because of requiem

In terms of who Clark spends the rest of his life with, LOIS IS THE FIRST AND ONLY CHOICE.

[myankskent]

Sorry, but not on this network, buddy :p

The network may have no choice though. I really don't know if the restrictions for full blown romantic Clois have been lifted. I was actually hoping to see Lois appear in more episodes this season and it doesn't look like that is going to happen either.

[wafflles87]

i'll have no reason for an excuse but the fact remains that lois is second place because of requiem

You keep saying that.

Please, give me a reason for it. If this is what you believe, very well, but there must be some reason behind it. Don't just state your point, argue it. Explain it. Make us see your point of view.

[Timester]

i'll have no reason for an excuse but the fact remains that lois is second place because of requiem

Which we all know that is NOT, therefore making the no-ending closure a bad story.

[myankskent]

Thank you for bringing up Lori. The Lana arc is Lori+Mon'El wrapped in one character.

Yeah, but was Lois a factor in those arcs? I don't know a lot about them.

[Timester]

You keep saying that.

Please, give me a reason for it. If this is what you believe, very well, but there must be some reason behind it. Don't just state your point, argue it. Explain it. Make us see your point of view.

He is trolling.

[Mickey_Bickey]

You keep saying that.

Please, give me a reason for it. If this is what you believe, very well, but there must be some reason behind it. Don't just state your point, argue it. Explain it. Make us see your point of view.

I would agree with this. It's not a strong argument when there's no explanation given to back it up.

[wafflles87]

He is trolling.

I didn't want to jump to assumptions and make false accusations, so I gave them a chance to defend themselves.

[Timester]

Yeah, but was Lois a factor in those arcs? I don't know a lot about them.

It was on the second Lori arc. When Lori came back to break up Lois and Clark...

Yeah, that bad.

[supes0]

did clark and lanas relationship go this far in the comics???didnt think so yeah there is plenty of "this is smallville,not the comics" the story is not completely 1 in the same , the clana relationship proves this

No, they took a lot of liberties in many areas.

But the ending needs to be the same because DC owns the characters. The producers are bound by DC restrictions.

And they have said in interview after interview they are not allowed to change Clark/Lois endgame.

The road to the end is riddled with Clana. And Clois in the end does not flow naturally from what we just saw the last 2 episodes.

But in the end it is meaningless because the writers will put illogical words in the characters mouths. Clark will realize who is soul mate, love of his life is, aka Lois, even if it makes absolutely no sense in light of what came before.

[Mickey_Bickey]

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Lana is Gone. Fact.
Clois is the endgame. Fact.

The story is one and the same. Fact. You are confusing story with events.

This is the bottom line!! Well said, Bruno!!

[Drasix]

i'll have no reason for an excuse but the fact remains that lois is second place because of requiem


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Lana is Gone. Fact.
Clois is the endgame. Fact.

The story is one and the same. Fact. You are confusing story with events.story starts and ends the same maybe but what happens to get to the end is quite different when speaking of lana.lois is still sloppy seconds cuz of requiem.FACT.

[Timester]

I didn't want to jump to assumptions and make false accusations, so I gave them a chance to defend themselves.

Oh, I was just being factual, not accusing anyone. :p

[myankskent]

It was on the second Lori arc. When Lori came back to break up Lois and Clark...

Yeah, that bad.

Well, my issue is the five years of Lois and Clark being around each other followed by the near kiss followed by another round of full blown romantic Clana followed by a breakup with no closure.

[wafflles87]

It was on the second Lori arc. When Lori came back to break up Lois and Clark...

Yeah, that bad.

If they started with the Lori-wanna-be, they should end it.

I wanna see Lana come back when Lois and Clark are together, and Clark tell her upfront that no way in hell is he getting back together with her :D

[supes0]

Yeah, but was Lois a factor in those arcs? I don't know a lot about them.

No.

Clark and Lori parted because they were from different worlds. They still loved each other but couldn't be together (mermaid/kryptonian). He had asked Lori to marry him. This was in college.

Mon-El had lead poisoning and had to go in to the phantom zone or die. Clark vowed to find a cure for him, and to this day we see him struggling to find one.

[Drasix]

You keep saying that.

Please, give me a reason for it. If this is what you believe, very well, but there must be some reason behind it. Don't just state your point, argue it. Explain it. Make us see your point of view.ive said it a thousand times.Lana and Clark want to be together.The only reason ther not is because of the krypt.When clark and lois get together its only because he cant be with lana.EXPLAINED...yes we all know he ends up with lois in about every superman mythos..im not denying that but the way requiem went down is just plain gay and has tarnished the future relationhip of lois in Smallville.

[Timester]

Mon-El had lead poisoning and had to go in to the phantom zone or die. Clark vowed to find a cure for him, and to this day we see him struggling to find one.

Which is about to happen, since Mon-El is one of the new Metropolis' guardians, now that Clark is gone.

[myankskent]

No.

Clark and Lori parted because they were from different worlds. They still loved each other but couldn't be together (mermaid/kryptonian). He had asked Lori to marry him. This was in college.


Yeah, see what I like about this is that Lois was kept out of it. On Smallville, not only has Lois witnessed the love that Clark and Lana have for each other, but the near kiss followed by romantic Clana put her right in the middle of the fire.

[unfocused]

The network may have no choice though. I really don't know if the restrictions for full blown romantic Clois have been lifted. I was actually hoping to see Lois appear in more episodes this season and it doesn't look like that is going to happen either.

I was referring to the romance that this network needs to have in it's shows. Smallville has always been a victim of love triangles and the like. And Tom is just too gorgeous nowadays to not have him lusted after by a woman.

But, who knows, maybe they'll make him single for a year. Doubtful, but maybe. Also, I didn't know there was a restriction on Clois, do you have any links with info on it?

[supes0]

Which is about to happen, since Mon-El is one of the new Metropolis' guardians, now that Clark is gone.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to that.

[Mickey_Bickey]

If they started with the Lori-wanna-be, they should end it.

I wanna see Lana come back when Lois and Clark are together, and Clark tell her upfront that no way in hell is he getting back together with her :D

Somehow I doubt KK would come back for that storyline!:lol: However, I think they can give that impression without Lana Lang being personally told.:)

[Timester]

Yeah, see what I like about this is that Lois was kept out of it. On Smallville, not only has Lois witnessed the love that Clark and Lana have for each other, but the near kiss followed by romantic Clana put her right in the middle of the fire.

That's why I don't want Lana back, closure or not. Because it will be a repeat of the second Lori arc, when she started a strain on Clois (when they were engaged).

[Mickey_Bickey]

I was referring to the romance that this network needs to have in it's shows. Smallville has always been a victim of love triangles and the like. And Tom is just too gorgeous nowadays to not have him lusted after by a woman.

But, who knows, maybe they'll make him single for a year. Doubtful, but maybe. Also, I didn't know there was a restriction on Clois, do you have any links with info on it?

Well, technically Clark is still single and has been for some time. I think most of the restrictions have been lifted since the release of the Superman Returns movie. Perhaps Bruno could shed some light on this.

[supes0]

has tarnished the future relationhip of lois in Smallville.

It's bad story telling for sure. But doesn't change clois endgame or that Lois will be shown to be the love of his life, no matter how contrived it may be.

[Timester]

Well, technically Clark is still single and has been for some time. I think most of the restrictions have been lifted since the release of the Superman Returns movie. Perhaps Bruno could shed some light on this.

No idea. :lol:

[Mickey_Bickey]

That's why I don't want Lana back, closure or not. Because it will be a repeat of the second Lori arc, when she started a strain on Clois (when they were engaged).

I second that! I really don't want to see Lana Lang's character back on this show no matter how she's written into the script.

[Dobson]

Just to be on both sides of the debate; If Lana is the be all end all of love for Clark, why does he "settle' for Lois, or any other woman, and not devote his life to finding a cure for Lana?

[supes0]

That's why I don't want Lana back, closure or not. Because it will be a repeat of the second Lori arc, when she started a strain on Clois (when they were engaged).

Yeah, if she came back before the finale it will be a full blown triangle.

[Mickey_Bickey]

No idea. :lol:

:lol:

[Timester]

Just to be on both sides of the debate; If Lana is the be all end all of love for Clark, why does he "settle' for Lois, or any other woman, and instead devote his life to finding a cure for Lana?

Touche, my friend.

[Drasix]

It's bad story telling for sure. But doesn't change clois endgame or that Lois will be shown to be the love of his life, no matter how contrived it may be.
i agree that it will without a doubt be clois endgame but i highly doubt she will be shown as the love of his life on sv

[Mickey_Bickey]

Just to be on both sides of the debate; If Lana is the be all end all of love for Clark, why does he "settle' for Lois, or any other woman, and instead devote his life to finding a cure for Lana?

Thankfully that's not how the story is going to go. I would actually stop watching if that happened. It's time to put Lana Lang to rest for good.

[myankskent]

Thankfully that's not how the story is going to go. I would actually stop watching if that happened. It's time to put Lana Lang to rest for good.

Honestly, it's time to put this show to rest for good.

[unfocused]

ive said it a thousand times.Lana and Clark want to be together.The only reason ther not is because of the krypt.When clark and lois get together its only because he cant be with lana.EXPLAINED...yes we all know he ends up with lois in about every superman mythos..im not denying that but the way requiem went down is just plain gay and has tarnished the future relationhip of lois in Smallville.

Ok, so whoever the FIRST person to ever say "Clana cheapened Clois"... I blame them for this posters trolling :lol:

[Drasix]

Just to be on both sides of the debate; If Lana is the be all end all of love for Clark, why does he "settle' for Lois, or any other woman, and instead devote his life to finding a cure for Lana?
cuz it sv and they gotta find a way for clark to get with lois with no chance that he can be with lana

[Mickey_Bickey]

Honestly, it's time to put this show to rest for good.


:lol:

And on that note I'm going to sign off!

Peace everybody!:)

[wafflles87]

ive said it a thousand times.Lana and Clark want to be together.The only reason ther not is because of the krypt.When clark and lois get together its only because he cant be with lana.EXPLAINED...yes we all know he ends up with lois in about every superman mythos..im not denying that but the way requiem went down is just plain gay and has tarnished the future relationhip of lois in Smallville.

Repeat:
In the comics, Clark and Lori WANTED to be together. The guy proposed, but they couldn't because she was a mermaid. They were separated not because they wanted, but because they had to.
He did not get together with Lois because he couldn't be with Lori. He did because his love for Lois was greater than anything before.
Once Lois died (again, separation not by choice, but by fate), Clark NEVER loved any other woman. He lived for thousands of years after Lois died, and he stayed faithful to her memory.
If either he loved either Lana on SV or Lori in the comics completely and totally, he never would have involved himself romantically with Lois, he would have stayed faithful to their memories.

[Drasix]

Ok, so whoever the FIRST person to ever say "Clana cheapened Clois"... I blame them for this posters trolling :lol:lol too bad its the truth

[Kid Collins]

i agree that it will without a doubt be clois endgame but i highly doubt she will be shown as the love of his life on sv

I agree. That's for offscreenville.

[unfocused]

cuz it sv and they gotta find a way for clark to get with lois with no chance that he can be with lana

It's not just SV. If Clark was in love with Lana in the comics, they'd find a way to move her out of the way there to.

[Drasix]

Repeat:
In the comics, Clark and Lori WANTED to be together. The guy proposed, but they couldn't because she was a mermaid. They were separated not because they wanted, but because they had to.
He did not get together with Lois because he couldn't be with Lori. He did because his love for Lois was greater than anything before.
Once Lois died (again, separation not by choice, but by fate), Clark NEVER loved any other woman. He lived for thousands of years after Lois died, and he stayed faithful to her memory.
If either he loved either Lana on SV or Lori in the comics completely and totally, he never would have involved himself romantically with Lois, he would have stayed faithful to their memories.
lol again enter Requiem..at this point he has no choice but not be with lana..writers =epic fail

[supes0]

i agree that it will without a doubt be clois endgame but i highly doubt she will be shown as the love of his life on sv

That is where we disagree. The last 10 episodes of season 8 has been foreshadowing the whole soul mate/ deep connection relationship between clois. Then we had these 2 non sequitur episodes.

I don't think the show will end with clois together, but I think it will end with Clark verbalizing to somebody (Chloe, Oliver, Jimmy, Shelby etc) Lois is the love of his life. It'll be up to the the individual if the progression was natural or forced.

[myankskent]

It's not just SV. If Clark was in love with Lana in the comics, they'd find a way to move her out of the way there to.

They'd never allow Clark to be in love with her in the comics in the first place. That was Smallville's big mistake.

[wafflles87]

lol again enter Requiem..at this point he has no choice but not be with lana..writers =epic fail

I give. You troll. You win. I'm out. Peace bro.

[Drasix]

It's not just SV. If Clark was in love with Lana in the comics, they'd find a way to move her out of the way there to.yeah but sv's lana has nothing to do with the comics

[Timester]

I agree. That's for offscreenville.

Offscreenville is canon.

[DontCha]

which old witch?

The wicked witch!

yay clana just p*** off already

[unfocused]

lol too bad its the truth

That's actually an insult to Clana. If a relationship is so bad that it cheapens any future relationship... then it's a pretty bad relationship to begin with...

[Kid Collins]

Offscreenville is canon.

Huh?

It is? So even if they don't show it onscreen it's still canon? How does that work?

I always thought it was what fans imagined in their head after the series ended. Fanfic.

[Drasix]

That is where we disagree. The last 10 episodes of season 8 has been foreshadowing the whole soul mate/ deep connection relationship between clois. Then we had these 2 non sequitur episodes.

I don't think the show will end with clois together, but I think it will end with Clark verbalizing to somebody (Chloe, Oliver, Jimmy, Shelby etc) Lois is the love of his life. It'll be up to the the individual if the progression was natural or forced.
i do think we'll see that hes either in a relationship with lois or heading towards on by series end but dont think it will say anything about her being the love of his life.Especially if the season ends in 8 episodes or even after season 9.No way that one season is gonna make the love of his life go from lana to lois in that short of time.But he will be heading towards lois regardless

[Timester]

Huh?

It is? So even if they don't show it onscreen it's still canon? How does that work?

I always thought it was what fans imagined in their head after the series ended. Fanfic.

I thought that it was common knowledge that everything that happened in Offscreenville is canon. :confused:

[unfocused]

They'd never allow Clark to be in love with her in the comics in the first place. That was Smallville's big mistake.

That has nothing to do with my quote...

[supes0]

Offscreenville is canon.

Yep, all they have to do at the series end is :

Chloe: Hey I heard the wonderful news, Lana is cured
Clark : Yes! Oliver, Jor-El, Prof Hamilton and I figured it out! I saw Lana yesterday, she's fine.
Chloe: I'm glad.
Clark: So, how do I convince Lois I am her soulmate?

Audience & Chloe groans.

[Drasix]

That's actually an insult to Clana. If a relationship is so bad that it cheapens any future relationship... then it's a pretty bad relationship to begin with...your grasping again..that it no way is an insult.Clana relationship lasted so long and was such a main part of the storyline that theres no way that clois is gonna match it.yes he will end up with lois but that has nothing to do with being a bad relationship:rotfl:

[Heilige]

yeah i think if there is another season she'll make a return..at least for the 2 hour finale maybe



How do you know the finale will be 2 hours?? If true, that will be great! :)

[unfocused]

yeah but sv's lana has nothing to do with the comics

She was based on the comics, dude...

[Jor-Fer]

You keep saying that.

Please, give me a reason for it. If this is what you believe, very well, but there must be some reason behind it. Don't just state your point, argue it. Explain it. Make us see your point of view.

It´s easy , since Pilot they are showing us that Smallville is for Clark and Lana , the last scene from Pilot tells you what will be the path of the show and after eight seasons those two have been treated like lovers with up&downs . In my opinion there is no reason to bring Lois to Smallville because after 8 seasons of Clana who can see Lois and Clark as soulmates?How can Clois fight against this long term relationship with only 1 season to make us believe that Clark had forgot the girl who loved since he was 7 ,knowing that she still loves him? I won´t believe Clois relationship (in smallville), a feeling that I probably wouldn´t have if Lois didn´t appear in the show because at the end of the series , without Lana in, the feeling could be "someday Clark will find Lois"

[supes0]

No way that one season is gonna make the love of his life go from lana to lois in that short of time.But he will be heading towards lois regardless

I disagree. It might look implausible, but it'll happen to wrap up one of the threads, Clark finding the love of his life. Which has to be Lois because DC said it must be.

[Drasix]

She was based on the comics, dude...i know this DUDE but the way her storline has played out on smallville has nothing to do with comics DUDE

[unfocused]

your grasping again..that it no way is an insult.Clana relationship lasted so long and was such a main part of the storyline that theres no way that clois is gonna match it.yes he will end up with lois but that has nothing to do with being a bad relationship:rotfl:

It's the biggest insult to Clana. It's basically saying that Clana is a disease that infects and ruins everything else :lol:

[Drasix]

It´s easy , since Pilot they are showing us that Smallville is for Clark and Lana , the last scene from Pilot tells you what will be the path of the show and after eight seasons those two have been treated like lovers with up&downs . In my opinion there is no reason to bring Lois to Smallville because after 8 seasons of Clana who can see Lois and Clark as soulmates?How can Clois fight against this long term relationship with only 1 season to make us believe that Clark had forgot the girl who loved since he was 7 ,knowing that she still loves him? I won´t believe Clois relationship (in smallville), a feeling that I probably wouldn´t have if Lois didn´t appear in the show because at the end of the series , without Lana in, the feeling could be "someday Clark will find Lois"
Finally someone understands

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It's the biggest insult to Clana. It's basically saying that Clana is a disease that infects and ruins everything else :lol:lol no it means that clana relationship on sv has lasted so long and has been so epic that clark with anyone else doesnt make sense bcuz we are so used to him going after lana

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How do you know the finale will be 2 hours?? If true, that will be great! :)
i dont know that it will be 2 hours but i think it would be smart to do a 2 hours series finale to give more time to clear everything up especially if kk and mr come back for the finale

[supes0]

Finally someone understands

I think everybody understands what you're saying. That you will not believe in Smallville clois. And that is fine. Right now,neither will I.

But that doesn't mean the end will change. Just because it makes no sense to the story that came before, doesn't mean it's not going to happen.

Bad storytelling aside, the writers know how they have to end it. We'll have to wait until Infamous, Turbulence and Hex to see how much grieving or work Clark puts in to finding a cure. I'll be surprised if he gives it more than a fleeting thought.

[Drasix]

I think everybody understands what you're saying. That you will not believe in Smallville clois. And that is fine. Right now,neither will I.

But that doesn't mean the end will change. Just because it makes no sense to the story that came before, doesn't mean it's not going to happen.

Bad storytelling aside, the writers know how they have to end it. We'll have to wait until Infamous, Turbulence and Hex to see how much grieving or work Clark puts in to finding a cure. I'll be surprised if he gives it more than a fleeting thought.
yeah i know the end wont change but im afraid that theyre gonna have clark moving on way to soon..which will result in ck looking bad

[supes0]

yeah i know the end wont change but im afraid that theyre gonna have clark moving on way to soon..which will result in ck looking bad

You and me both. But that is exactly what I think is going to happen. And Clark will look bad.

[Heilige]

Too much to read and reply to.

The bare bottom line is, neither couple wanted to part ways. But both couples accepted to. The truest words to say are: all four of these people will grow and mature from their past relationships, and move on to the relationships they were meant to be in.

I just feel bad that some people are going to look at Clark and Lois' relationship a year from now, when they're together in love and showing us that iconic, legendary relationship, and not believe it is real. I really am sorry for these people.

At least I know I'll be enjoying the Clois with every fiber of my being. And I hope as many people as possible will share my enjoyment.


unfocused, when Smallville comes back on air in March, what do you see Clark doing? Do you think he is going to try to find a cure for Lana, or do you think he won't even mention Lana? How do you think it will play out? I like your insights in this thread!! :)

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the alicia thing lasted 3 episodes and even when lana was with jason and lex..all he did was pine over her...theres no mistaking it.there hasnt been 1 episode where he hasnt wanted be with her throughout all the seasons.



What about during the first half of Season 8, when Lana wasn't there? At that point, I felt that Clark had moved on.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

Wow I applaud all of you who are still debating this with such passion.:D Let see what I can contribute...lol Nothing much I guess...basically the Clana arc was flawed and has tainted the Clark and Lois relationship. Pretty much a repeat of what some posters are saying. PS3 were pitiful with the writing of the last few episodes.

The worst is Clark the future Superman comes out to look weak. Anyways I'm happy we have some spirit like Alania here...25 days and counting for Clois.

But the question is how believable is it truly going to be for the fans?

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I want to ask a question to Clana, Clois, Chlark , non-shippers etc...

Hypothetically, If you had no clue about Who and what the Superman Legend is about, but began to watch Smallville due to your very own curiosity. And you saw all 8 seasons of it and in the end of the series they dropped anvils about Clarks future as Superman. And lets just say they also hinted about his future relationship with Lois Lane here and there.

After viewing the series who would you think Clark had a deep and romantic relationship with?

A. Lana Lang
B. Lois Lane

And which relationship in the series stands out as the main relationship?

A. Lana and Clark
B. Lois and Clark

[zHeN_zHeN]

Uh, well.... she could always come back and play Lana's long lost twin sister, "Hannah". She'd of course be the "Bad twin". WHUT?! Lana was the "Good one"?? Uh-huh, I know! Could you imagine? Wow, the possibilites of more angst would be incredible! :rotfl:


Kidding. Please no more Lana/Clana ever... NEVER EVER! :)

[pizzahead2490]

DING DONG THE WICTH IS GONE :lol: hehe

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

DING DONG THE WICTH IS GONE :lol: hehe

:lol: But is it really over? What if they bring her back if there is a season nine?

:eek: No the witch is once again resurrected...ok hoping this doesn't happen!

[Kal26]

I wish it were over, but they seem to just keep bringing it back over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. I also didn't like the way they ended it. They gave Clark no choice but to move on to Lois. I think it's sad, and it tainted the series for me. I hope they find some way to clean up this mess they've made in the last two episodes.

[pizzahead2490]

KK does not want to come back so lana is done for. i just hope that in offscreenville we here that her suit comes off. cuz i dont want to see the news paper with lana "saving people" :rolleyes:

[Heilige]

I got the complete companions for each season for Christmas. I just read something that put this all into perspective. It is a quote from Al Gough. He said "It is a central tenant of this show that Clark and Lana will always love each other. Even if they can't be together..." It is obvious that Ps3 were following the Gouglar vision. If I had read this sooner, I think I would have seen this mess coming or at least I would not have hoped for closure.


What are "complete companions" and where did you get them? Are they expensive? How many are they in total?

[Kal26]

The thing is, if the suit does come off, won't she be skinless, or horribly scarred? I agree with you though. I don't want to hear about how great Lana is, when Clark really isn't doing anything to help the world. It's rather frustrating that he's pretty much been made into her sidekick.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

The thing is, if the suit does come off, won't she be skinless, or horribly scarred? I agree with you though. I don't want to hear about how great Lana is, when Clark really isn't doing anything to help the world. It's rather frustrating that he's pretty much been made into her sidekick.


Since it's her skin how can they manage to take it off unless they use some sort of deep microdermabrasion? Its just plain weird...I agree its real frustrating that he is the sidekick now! Who would of thought SuperLana to the rescue!:rolleyes:

[pizzahead2490]

The thing is, if the suit does come off, won't she be skinless, or horribly scarred? I agree with you though. I don't want to hear about how great Lana is, when Clark really isn't doing anything to help the world. It's rather frustrating that he's pretty much been made into her sidekick.

so skin her i dont really care:lol: i just dont want her to have the powers still on her its just plain WRONG:mad:

[xrayvision]

What are "complete companions" and where did you get them? Are they expensive? How many are they in total?

I think amazon sells them. Got your PM by the way. Will check it out & reply.

[unfocused]

Wow I applaud all of you who are still debating this with such passion.:D Let see what I can contribute...lol Nothing much I guess...basically the Clana arc was flawed and has tainted the Clark and Lois relationship. Pretty much a repeat of what some posters are saying. PS3 were pitiful with the writing of the last few episodes.

The worst is Clark the future Superman comes out to look weak. Anyways I'm happy we have some spirit like Alania here...25 days and counting for Clois.

But the question is how believable is it truly going to be for the fans?

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I want to ask a question to Clana, Clois, Chlark , non-shippers etc...

Hypothetically, If you had no clue about Who and what the Superman Legend is about, but began to watch Smallville due to your very own curiosity. And you saw all 8 seasons of it and in the end of the series they dropped anvils about Clarks future as Superman. And lets just say they also hinted about his future relationship with Lois Lane here and there.

After viewing the series who would you think Clark had a deep and romantic relationship with?

A. Lana Lang
B. Lois Lane
[B]

Define "clear deep." Because Clana was complicated, questionable, and not clear at all. Yet it was deep in the regards that it has been a long, sometimes painful, relationship with many, many ups and downs. And, finally, over. While Clois is clear, simple, and easy to understand although taking too long. Yet it isn't as deep as 8 years of complications, but still deep enough to follow upon, which will happen, soon.

Edit: I see you edited your post. As for your new question "which relationship stands out as the main relationship?" Depends on which season. I'll say the Kents have had their seasons of being the best, more important couple and MAIN couple when all other couples go through troubled times. Lana and Jason were the main couple during their time. As for this season, it's definitely Clark and Lois, without a doubt. The Clana came and went and it was never promised to be anything more than a disaster. Clois has been a prominent point of this season and if there is another season, it will become the only option to this question, IMO.


unfocused, when Smallville comes back on air in March, what do you see Clark doing? Do you think he is going to try to find a cure for Lana, or do you think he won't even mention Lana? How do you think it will play out? I like your insights in this thread!! :)

Thanks :) I think Clark will grieve for a few weeks. Then, when he finally realizes it's really over between he and Lana, he will begin to move on. He may try to find a cure for her, but I don't think the writers want to spend any more time on a relationship that is finally over. I'm pretty sure Lana will have a felt presence in the next couple episodes because Clark will be grieving, they won't just forget about a character that's helped establish the show for 7 years. This recent Lex Luthor arc has proved that the writers won't forget the founding team of this show. PS3 has done the best job with continuity this season, they are trying to please the long term fans in every episode with small references from the past. Such as Lana's necklace, Clark and Chloe's first kiss, and the graveyard talk between Clana in the Pilot episode.

To answer your questions directly, I don't think Clark will try to find a cure for Lana. I think he will respect and accept her wishes and let her go. And I don't think he's going to just forget about her and not mention her anymore, especially in the next episode. Oliver told Chloe that Clark just had his heart ripped out, so he's going to need his friends there for him. That means we're going to see Chloe, Oliver and/or Lois consoling Clark next episode, and probably the episode after that. Then he'll move on and the other major story arcs will take focus of the show. And for the remainder of the series, we will also be seeing references to Lana throughout. Most likely just in photographs hanging on walls or sitting on tables. But she won't be forgotten.

[NIGHTRAVENXLR1]

yep she is gone and lets hope so it stays that way.
no more clana four the love of god no more.
this latest clana arc was more then enough to last me 2 lifetimes.
no more angsty moments bring n some clois.
and hope we get a trailer soon!

[mig]

Finally she is gone, I hope for good this time. But I don't think this Clana business needed another closure. As far I am conserned it was allready closed at the end of season 7. Lana woke up from coma induced by the Brainiack, she was traumatised by the experience and more importantly realised that the only way for Clarks enemies to defeat him is to hurt someone he loves. So in order not to stay in the way of his destiny a because she 'loves' him so much and to protect him, she leaves...
Offcourse she should have been gone from the show long time ago. I would say after season 3, she never should have return from Paris. After all, Clana 'thing' should have been only high school crush and not the lifelong obsession for Clark (he should end up with Lois anyway). But look just what hapend after Lana's return from Paris: 'posessed with the spirit of a witch' storyline, 'marriage with Lex' storyline... and now 'Lana becomes a superhero(!!!?)' storyline... and during all that time continuosly on and off relationship with Clark and his stupid obsesseoion with her. It appears as if writers didn't know what to do with her character.
After all, season 8 started so well. Clark was finally on the way to become superhero we all love and are waiting for to see... and what happend!? Lana returned (again) and regresed Clarks charakter years back. I'm not sure that damage done to the series with this development can be fixed.
AND AT THE END, AGAIN... FINALLY SHE IS GONE, I HOPE THIS TIME FOR GOOD.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

[quote=unfocused;4448197]Define "clear deep." Because Clana was complicated, questionable, and not clear at all. Yet it was deep in the regards that it has been a long, sometimes painful, relationship with many, many ups and downs. And, finally, over. While Clois is clear, simple, and easy to understand although taking too long. Yet it isn't as deep as 8 years of complications, but still deep enough to follow upon, which will happen, soon.



Unfocused agreed I didn't mean clear. The deep part you got right. A relationship with all the ups and downs etc..that you mentioned. A standard relationship that people saw if they had no Idea of Superman and the mythos. So who would you choose? Lana or Lois? I edited my earlier post by the way.

[Heilige]

Define "clear deep." Because Clana was complicated, questionable, and not clear at all. Yet it was deep in the regards that it has been a long, sometimes painful, relationship with many, many ups and downs. And, finally, over. While Clois is clear, simple, and easy to understand although taking too long. Yet it isn't as deep as 8 years of complications, but still deep enough to follow upon, which will happen, soon.

Edit: I see you edited your post. As for your new question "which relationship stands out as the main relationship?" Depends on which season. I'll say the Kents have had their seasons of being the best, more important couple and MAIN couple when all other couples go through troubled times. Lana and Jason were the main couple during their time. As for this season, it's definitely Clark and Lois, without a doubt. The Clana came and went and it was never promised to be anything more than a disaster. Clois has been a prominent point of this season and if there is another season, it will become the only option to this question, IMO.



Thanks :) I think Clark will grieve for a few weeks. Then, when he finally realizes it's really over between he and Lana, he will begin to move on. He may try to find a cure for her, but I don't think the writers want to spend any more time on a relationship that is finally over. I'm pretty sure Lana will have a felt presence in the next couple episodes because Clark will be grieving, they won't just forget about a character that's helped establish the show for 7 years. This recent Lex Luthor arc has proved that the writers won't forget the founding team of this show. PS3 has done the best job with continuity this season, they are trying to please the long term fans in every episode with small references from the past. Such as Lana's necklace, Clark and Chloe's first kiss, and the graveyard talk between Clana in the Pilot episode.

To answer your questions directly, I don't think Clark will try to find a cure for Lana. I think he will respect and accept her wishes and let her go. And I don't think he's going to just forget about her and not mention her anymore, especially in the next episode. Oliver told Chloe that Clark just had his heart ripped out, so he's going to need his friends there for him. That means we're going to see Chloe, Oliver and/or Lois consoling Clark next episode, and probably the episode after that. Then he'll move on and the other major story arcs will take focus of the show. And for the remainder of the series, we will also be seeing references to Lana throughout. Most likely just in photographs hanging on walls or sitting on tables. But she won't be forgotten.



Good points and nice analysis! I was wonderign why do you feel Lana didn't want to stay for awhile just to see if Clark could find a cure? Also, what do you think Lana's future will bring?

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I think amazon sells them. Got your PM by the way. Will check it out & reply.



Thanks man! :)

[unfocused]

After viewing the series who would you think Clark had a deep and romantic relationship with?

A. Lana Lang
B. Lois Lane
So far, he's had a romantic relationship with Lana. You can consider Crimson a romance between Clark and Lois. Even though he was on redK, he still had some romance with her. But it hasn't been a deeply romantic relationship. But then again, the series isn't over yet, and there is still the high probability that the sparks will fly between Clark and Lois.



And which relationship in the series stands out as the main relationship?

A. Lana and Clark
B. Lois and Clark
As I've said already, it depends on the season. Because some seasons had their own main relationships. The best relationship to date has definitely been the Kents. They worked great as a team in raising Clark. And when they went through problems, they were always able to overcome them. Their relationship stood the test of time, trust, and dependence. So if you ask me right now, which relationship was the main relationship in this series, it would have to be Ma' and Pa' Kent's amazing relationship.

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Good points and nice analysis! I was wonderign why do you feel Lana didn't want to stay for awhile just to see if Clark could find a cure? Also, what do you think Lana's future will bring?

Why do I think Lana did not want to stay to find a cure? One reason is I believe she didn't want to risk losing her powers. I know, it's incredibly selfish, but Lana feels she has a purpose now, and that purpose should come before the thing she wants most, which is Clark. This is why Oliver left Lois, because he felt he had a purpose and that was more important than his love for Lois. Lana feels being a savior for mankind is more important than the personal things she wants in life, so in her eyes, she isn't being selfish at all.

Another reason she chose to leave is because it hurt her to see what she was doing to Clark with the Kryptonite. This is actually the reason she gives to Clark for her leaving him.

As for Lana's future. I really don't know. But ever since Requiem, I've been really hoping that Lana, in the Smallville universe, becomes a full fledged heroine. I'm hoping in a future episode, Clark picks up a newspaper and see's Lana on the frontpage, a savior. I want her character to go out that way. Although, hopefully it is revealed that she is cured of the Kryptonite, but by then, both she and Clark will have moved on and found love elsewhere. This will help with a decent ending should Kristin return for the final few episodes.

[jjsmallvillelvr]

I know many of you disliked this arc and the way Lana left by reading all the threads, but was there any of my fellow Clanians who liked it? I liked it and thought it was a good sendoff, sad but good. Please don't bash it here, This is to talk about who liked it and it's good points. If you didn't like it just say so, but don't go on on please. I just wanna know the good stuff about it.:)

[Heilige]

I know many of you disliked this arc and the way Lana left by reading all the threads, but was there any of my fellow Clanians who liked it? I liked it and thought it was a good sendoff, sad but good. Please don't bash it here, This is to talk about who liked it and it's good points. If you didn't like it just say so, but don't go on on please. I just wanna know the good stuff about it.:)



I liked it and I am a fellow Clana fan! :) Though, as unfocused says I hope she becomes a full fledged heroine later.

[jjsmallvillelvr]

I liked it and I am a fellow Clana fan! :) Though, as unfocused says I hope she becomes a full fledged heroine later.
yay! sumone who didnt hate the episodes!:D

[Kal26]

so skin her i dont really care:lol: i just dont want her to have the powers still on her its just plain WRONG:mad:

Agreed! :lol:

[jjsmallvillelvr]

hmm skinning her would defintley be interesting, then she would look like darth vader lex!!!

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who by the way was ridiculus!

[MountainSniper]

Hi Dominicus,


That's the point I brought up precisely, you don't see either torture. .

Excuse me, my apologies, you are right. I mistook you for davidbrenton who said Lana ordered the torture of Lionel.

I usually jump on the whole “Lana is a (or ordered) torturer statement since it appears so often in K-site Lana bashing and has no basis in reality.

My hair trigger on this point might be that being military we all get accused of torture so often by the politically correct media/academics that it is almost a knee jerk reaction on my part.


That question can go both ways, got evidence to suggest she wasn't involved. .

Actually I think it is clear she was involved and financed etc the kidnapping of Lionel but that does not mean she was involved in torturing Lionel.

In fact I think it is clear that she didn't enter the cabin since she didn’t want Lionel to know she was pulling the strings.

In fact as I think about it I don’t think Lionel has any evidence or proof that Lana was behind his kidnapping. All he has it the knowledge that Lana was operating an elaborate plan to take down Lex for the trick marriage/physical & mental abuse/fake miscarriage etc and of course he knows Lana is angry and may be coming after him for Blackmail, threatening Clark and paying a hitman to kill her (Lana).

Thus I have no problem with Lana going after the Luthors. It is not like she doesn’t have good valid reasons.


But she speculated, suspecting initially, something you're obviously against. :D;)

I don’t understand what you talking about here. What am I obviously against? What are you referring to?


for the same reason Clark admonished Queen for stealing from Lionel.

No, Lana and Oliver were completely different cases. Clark thought the Green Arrow was in it for money, thrills etc which were never Lana Lang’s motives. The Luthors never clearly went after the Green Arrow until the robberies (no knowledge of the murder of his parents etc) happened where as Lex and Lionel Luthors initially went after Lana even though she had no interest in them.




The premise of the show, the superman mythos of morality. It doesn't make it right. Eventually if you lower yourself to a level of Luthor immorality, tit or tat, so to speak. Your moral fiber is reduced to petty vengeance, the darkness inside grows. Essentially, Lana had become no different then a Luthor, a vigilante but with vengeance in her heart. When she resorted to those same measures, she lost her own identity within the hatred, and greed of power.

Totally wrong.

The Luthors started it by going after Lana Lang and not the other way around.

Lex by using Simone to sabotaging her relationship, drugging her to trick her into marriage, physically and mentally abused her with a fake miscarriage etc.

Lionel by blackmailing her and directly threatening to kill the man she loves and then after she tried to go to the press with incriminating evidence Lionel hired a hitman to kill her and failed but did put a bullet into Lana.

Lana never went after the Luthors until they did the above to her.

A fact that the K-Site Lana bashers never seem to remember when they pull the usually politically correct, self righteous crying over Lana Lang attempting to take down Luthors.


Immorality is immorality

The only people that make statements like this have other people (who they despise) to do what is required for them to continue living in their little white toast suburb and enjoying their self righteous existence but they are the first ones to beg for violence of action to save them when they come under threat.


, she slept with a mass murdering devil, what does that say about her character?

That Lana Lang (like Clark) was very naïve and trusting and didn’t know Lex Luther was a mass murdering devil.

Being so naïve is silly not evil.


In truth, she has literally gotten away with murder.

What is true about your above statement? I see this said a lot but never with details, context etc.

So tell me exactly what episode and scene etc did Lana Lang commit murder and get away with it?????



What does that say about her attraction, rather her addiction to power in-general, physical power, and men of power?

Attraction? Addiction? For what reason?

As for men of power Lana has dated Whitney whose father owned a smalltown sports story, Jason who was cut off by his father and had to work his way through collage and Clark Kent the son of a Kansas farmer.

Out of her four serious long term relationships it is only Lex that had any money/power etc of which Lana Lang was aware. Also Lana Lang once she because aware of this power wanted to use it for work in halfway houses, getting cornea transplants for ex Smallville high students etc.

So how is Lana Lang addicted to power and for what reason?

BTW I do find it hilarious that everyone on the K-Site that has been bashing Lana Lang for years of being a victim and always needing Clark to rescue her suddenly start bashing Lana Lang for trying to protect herself and thus free Clark from worrying about her.



It eventually ended up severing her and Clark’s love forever.

Huh? So Dominicus whose fault do you think that is?

I will give you a hint. I don’t know who you blame in the USA but out in the Sandbox we blame the guy that actually orders/builds/sets/explodes the bomb.


Tis the point entirely, once your hands are stained in blood, you are no longer pure, forever tainted and corrupted by sin and desire. I guess, I see it like Clark, there's no gray area.

Huh? Where do you get this stuff? Maybe you need to talk to someone that has had to do bad things for good reasons.

That could be any policeman that had to take life to save someone else or anyone that had to stop a militia from ethnic cleansing a village in the Balkans. Anyone that thinks morality is black and white needs to get out of their white toast suburb or/and academic ivory tower and get some stamps in their passport.

Regarding “killing” on Smallville I wrote out in detail my opinion in the “Smallville Spoils and Speculation” forum in a thread called “Theories and Speculation on a better Smallville!” and it is number 27“The “Superman never kills” rule is tossed into the dustbin of stupidity where it belongs.” in the set of original posts.

If you have the time Dominicus check in out and feel free to counter point me on it. I love fight club.


http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117940



Forgive me if ramble on, I clearly need some rest.:eek: Nice talking with ya, Mountain Sniper.

Since you have taken the time to read my ramblings lets consider both of us forgiven.

All the best,

Cheers Mountain Sniper

[Drasix]

Wow I applaud all of you who are still debating this with such passion.:D Let see what I can contribute...lol Nothing much I guess...basically the Clana arc was flawed and has tainted the Clark and Lois relationship. Pretty much a repeat of what some posters are saying. PS3 were pitiful with the writing of the last few episodes.

The worst is Clark the future Superman comes out to look weak. Anyways I'm happy we have some spirit like Alania here...25 days and counting for Clois.

But the question is how believable is it truly going to be for the fans?

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I want to ask a question to Clana, Clois, Chlark , non-shippers etc...

Hypothetically, If you had no clue about Who and what the Superman Legend is about, but began to watch Smallville due to your very own curiosity. And you saw all 8 seasons of it and in the end of the series they dropped anvils about Clarks future as Superman. And lets just say they also hinted about his future relationship with Lois Lane here and there.

After viewing the series who would you think Clark had a deep and romantic relationship with?

A. Lana Lang
B. Lois Lane

And which relationship in the series stands out as the main relationship?

A. Lana and Clark
B. Lois and Clarkthe only major relationship clark has had in the show in 8 seasons is with lana.So id have to say lana on both accounts in SV

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KK does not want to come back so lana is done for. i just hope that in offscreenville we here that her suit comes off. cuz i dont want to see the news paper with lana "saving people" :rolleyes:
she will come back for series finale if they need her to.She has said this in many interviews.yes she has said she wants to move on to other things.But coming back for a single episode finale wouldnt be a big deal.Mr is also up for coming back if they want him to for the series finale

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I know many of you disliked this arc and the way Lana left by reading all the threads, but was there any of my fellow Clanians who liked it? I liked it and thought it was a good sendoff, sad but good. Please don't bash it here, This is to talk about who liked it and it's good points. If you didn't like it just say so, but don't go on on please. I just wanna know the good stuff about it.:)
i only didnt like the fact that there was no closure.lana left bcuz she HAD to not bcuz she wanted to.and to many this leaves lois feeling like she only gets with clark because he cant get within 20ft of lana

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:lol: But is it really over? What if they bring her back if there is a season nine?

:eek: No the witch is once again resurrected...ok hoping this doesn't happen!good chance they will bring her back in season 9 for the series finale if nothing else.

[Heilige]

the only major relationship clark has had in the show in 8 seasons is with lana.So id have to say lana on both accounts in SV

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she will come back for series finale if they need her to.She has said this in many interviews.yes she has said she wants to move on to other things.But coming back for a single episode finale wouldnt be a big deal.Mr is also up for coming back if they want him to for the series finale

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i only didnt like the fact that there was no closure.lana left bcuz she HAD to not bcuz she wanted to.and to many this leaves lois feeling like she only gets with clark because he cant get within 20ft of lana

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good chance they will bring her back in season 9 for the series finale if nothing else.



Drasix,


Can you link me to these interviews of KK in which she said that? Do you know why she and MR left in the first place and if they come back only want to be in a few episodes? Why didn't KK and MR want to be a part of all the episodes in Season 8??

[unfocused]

MR was tired of playing the same role, and he wanted to do other things. I also believe he had a personal issue with someone on the set, but I'm not sure. He gives off that vibe in his interviews. KK left because she wanted to do Street Fighter and other things as well. I'm not sure if there is anything else to why she left.

I don't have links to any interviews, but you can look on the newspage, scroll down to find her interviews. I think they are all there.

[Ace16]

There is one way that Lana can be around Clark again and my sister came up with this thought.

Bizzaro. He absorbs green kyryptonite(as seen in season 7)-so he could essentially suck all the geen k out of Lana. Will it affect her "abilities" I don't know-but if the writers were smart they would play it that way.

[House of Brock]

I was out of town when the episode aired last thursday so i just watched it last night. Just some thoughts on how it all ended:

I liked how they made parallels to the Pilot in this episode. Clark couldn't get within 5 feet of Lana Lang when she had that necklace. In a way, kryptonite was so symbolic in their relationship. Now, he can't get within 5 feet of her again and it will serve as evidence that they just aren't meant to be.

Also, pretty cool how they had Lana mention that graveyard scene. I liked that a lot.

I know people are worried about how Clark can transition to Lois on this show. I think part of that is because Tom and Kristen have great chemistry from working together for so many years. As many fans of this show most likely watched from the beginning, Clark and Lana was a relationship that we wanted to see succeed because they were so good at what they did, especially in seasons 1 and 2. Now, obviously a lot happened after Season 2 and there were times when it felt redundant to keep trying to explore that relationship but that sometimes happens in real life relationships and thats what I think they tried to go for here. Even Clark Kent eventually has to accept that some things are just not meant to be.

Now, I didn't like Lana ending up with abilities at all. I thought it was a bad call on the writers part. I would have rather seen the suit become powerless and had the Kryptonite still in her. I'm not a fan of the idea that Lana can do things that Clark can do. It just isn't right. People can aspire to be like Clark Kent but they should do things within their own limitations to make a difference in the world.

Back to the future, aka Lois Lane, the idea of those two still works for me. After all this, it still works because Lois is different. She is the only woman in Clarks life who didn't just adore him from Day 1. I've always thought that Clark respects that about Lois, or at least respects that they've reached a place where they can trust each other. She never made it easy on him and that has taught Clark in a way that things in life just aren't. I'm looking forward to seeing how it plays out, starting on March 5th.

[Dominicus]

I don’t understand what you talking about here. What am I obviously against? What are you referring to?

Your previous posts denouncing speculation without proof, the same can be said for Lana who had her suspisions but no proof. No matter, you didn't get it.


No, Lana and Oliver were completely different cases. Clark thought the Green Arrow was in it for money, thrills etc which were never Lana Lang’s motives. The Luthors never clearly went after the Green Arrow until the robberies (no knowledge of the murder of his parents etc) happened where as Lex and Lionel Luthors initially went after Lana even thought she had no interest in them.

Nope. Clark found of Oliver's good intentions and he still told him to return the merchandise. And Lana did steal money.



Totally wrong.

The Luthors started it by going after Lana Lang and not the other way around.

Lex by using Simone to sabotaging her relationship, drugging her to trick her into marriage, physically and mentally abused her with a fake miscarriage etc.

Lionel by blackmailing her and directly threatening to kill the man she loves and then after she tried to go to the press with incriminating evidence Lionel hired a hitman to kill her.

Lana never went after the Luthors until they did all of the above to her.

A fact that the K-Site Lana bashers never seem to remember when they pull the usually politically correct, self righteous crying over Lana Lang attempting to take down Luthors.

Clark warned her of sleeping with devil, everyone did. Lana was not naive of Lex, she knew what she was getting into. Put yourself in hell and expect the devil not to bite, that's foolishly optimistic. However, I do agree she has the right to get angry, retribution even, but not the criminal-minded way she went about it. She turned into one of them. It's not wrong, it's what you find acceptable, justified, or tolerable. And yeah, you can keep that last remark to yourself, really pointless. Since I like Lana, not Clana, but Lana as a sole character, but don't care for any silly extensions, and the changing of the character's personality after wrath and season 8, well really mid season 4. But just because I like her, doesn't mean I excuse her Luthor like personality.


The only people that make statements like this have other people (who they despise) to do what is required for them to continue living in their little white toast suburb and enjoying their self righteous existence but they are the first ones to beg for violence of action to save them when they come under threat.

lol amusing since, I'm a mixxed mutt living in Detroit, I grew up around murderers, liars and thieves. Father was an addict, recently lost two cousin, both had just turned 20. I'm, sure this remark was intentional to rile a response, and it worked, I've been thrusted in the middle of many battles, physical, literal and mental. I've seen death first hand, violence at my doorstep, products of poverty and all that psycho drama and much, much, more. But I didn't let it effect me, only strengthen me. Don't talk of what you don't know, and assume. Believe me when I say I've been tested and stuck to my morals, even saving an enemy and the aftermath having to suffer the consequences for it. Just because I don’t whine about it or use it to justify a point doesn’t mean I haven’t experienced anything. But you forced my hand, it's because of those experiences, I follow this path.

Regarding your statement: This is also what people say when they have nothing to add, they result to frivolous depiction, accusations, and personalizations to ones character. It has nothing to do with the subject matter.

So, we can make this personal, but there's no need, nor reason to personalize over a TV show to this level. You have no authority to downgrade those for having ethics, morals and a sense of justice, regardless of what character is under scrutiny. it doesn't always mean they had a sugar-coated life. You take it too personal as if it were real life, and it was you being dissected.

But it is TV. As a show that appeals to the masses, it is a bad example to set for younger viewers to believe that vengeance in a criminal fashion is acceptable, it is not, at least on TV. TV must set the black and white example, that false hood, because if you do what she did, you go to jail, or get killed. Because in reality there is real-life circumstances, real consequences that require much more and can be fatal. You clearly relate to the Lana character on a personal passionate level. I suggest not showing that inclination.



That Lana Lang (like Clark) was very naïve and trusting and didn’t know Lex Luther was a mass murdering devil.

She had her suspicions, it's naive to believe she didn't have doubts. she was just being spiteful that Clark dumped her for what he thought would be for her own good.



I see that statement a lot but never with details, context etc.

So tell me exactly when episode and scene etc did Lana Lang commit murder and get away with it?????

End of season 4, the stabbing death of Genevieve Teague. Lionel helped her out of that one as I recall. A little overly assertive, aren't you? I really don't need to put down details, for you haven't. Just self-serving view points.



So how is Lana Lang addicted to power and for what reason?

Lana has a sixth sense, Jason's story was cover. Whitney was the popular guy, impressive by HS standards. Clark is where her sense comes into play, she knew he was hidding something, like Lex knew it was something big. Lex, for obvious reasons. this is how her character is written, it is no secret Lana is addicted to power in all forms, why do I need to explain what in painfully obvious? She literally had a thirst for power.

As for the reason, it makes the character more complicated, dramatic=story developement. It is interesting, interesting to a fault, it is ambition and weakness. The people she surrounded herself by pushed her into the dark corner, now there's no turning back. Yu can say that darkness was already swelling in her to begin with. And I actually liked it until this power-suit debacle nonsense. First Isabelle, thirst, wrath... :p It's the character assasination I was speaking about earlier, season 4 she developed this instinctive lust for power. It started with Clark.


BTW I do find it hilarious that everyone on the K-Site that has been bashing Lana Lang for years of being a victim and always needing Clark to rescue her suddenly start bashing Lana Lang for trying to protect herself and thus free Clark from worrying about her.

That's nice, now go take it up with them because I joined five-days ago and can really care less. CK is the hero, he's supposed to save people, it was never an issue with me. But I'll answer anyway. The problem with Lana having power for one, it was a trap set up by Lex knowing her desire. And unbelievable power-suit that's near equal to superman's speed and strength when he hasn't even become superman. What's the point of superman? It emasculated the man of steel to a sniveling puke-green babe. Also Lana was never meant to have such a major role on smallville let alone the superman mythos. It's too extreme, silly, and flat out stupid.

It would make more sense if it were Lemaris.


Huh? So Dominicus whose fault do you think that is?

I will give you a hint. I don’t know how you do it in the USA but out in the Sandbox we blame the guy that actually orders/builds/sets/explodes the bomb.

Because it isn't that simple, her desire for power lead to this, she played right into Lex's hands. Cause and effect, how can you learn form your mistakes if you do not acknowledge them? It was so obvious what he was up to. Also, Clark's stupidity didn't help as well.


Huh? Where do you get this stuff? Maybe you need to talk to someone that has had to do bad things for good reasons. That could be any policeman that had to take life to save someone else or anyone that had to stop a militia from ethnic cleansing a village in the Balkans. Anyone that thinks morality is black and white needs to get out of their white toast suburb or/and academic ivory tower and get some stamps in their passport.

No need, I have brother who was a cop and had to kill somone, someone I actually went to school with. I also come from a military family, so I'm no stranger to such things. I wouldn't run with assumptions because I don't see the world as you do. Again, I'm not white lol. I simply have discipline, not weak to listen of whines of the condoning of criminal behavior on TV. Yet, in life it is a different projection, it's not so black and white, I know this.

However, when I speak here, I seperate TV from reality. TV must set the example of morality, especially with a story about supes. Again, jumping to debate to personalizing, You're confusing real life, with fantasy. But your statement is flawed within itself, for this is vengeance vs the heat of the moment. Lana's actions were premeditated, meaning she had time to think, to go a different route of prosecution/retribution, but she chose a darker path, this cannot be ignored.

ivory tower, pshhh :lol: that's a good one.


Regarding “killing” on Smallville I wrote out in detail my opinion in the “Smallville Spoils and Speculation” forum in a thread called “Theories and Speculation on a better Smallville!” and it is number 27 “The “Superman never kills” rule is tossed into the dustbin of stupidity where it belongs.” in the set of original posts.

If you have the time Dominicus check in out and feel free to counter point me on it. I love fight club.


http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117940



Since you have taken the time to read my ramblings lets consider both of us forgiven.

All the best,

Cheers Mountain Sniper;) Perhaps I will as long as there is no personalizations and a full out debate, unless I agree with what you posted.

[mr lane]

Your previous posts denouncing speculation without proof, the same can be said for Lana who had her suspisions but no proof. No matter, you didn't get it.



Nope. Clark found of Oliver's good intentions and he still told him to return the merchandise. And Lana did steal money.




Clark warned her of sleeping with devil, everyone did. Lana was not naive of Lex, she knew what she was getting into. Put yourself in hell and expect the devil not to bite, that's foolishly optimistic. However, I do agree she has the right to get angry, retribution even, but not the criminal-minded way she went about it. She turned into one of them. It's not wrong, it's what you find acceptable, justified, or tolerable. And yeah, you can keep that last remark to yourself, really pointless. Since I like Lana, not Clana, but Lana as a sole character, but don't care for any silly extensions, and the changing of the character's personality after wrath and season 8, well really mid season 4. But just because I like her, doesn't mean I excuse her Luthor like personality.



lol amusing since, I'm a mixxed mutt living in detroit, I grew up around murderers, liars and thieves. Father was an addict, recently lost two cousin, both had just turned 20. I'm, sure this remark was intentional to rile a responce, and it worked, I've been thrusted in the middle of many battles, physcal, literal and mental. I've seen death first hand, violence, products of poverty and all that psycho drama and much, much, more. But I didn't let it effect me, only strengthing me. Don't talk of what you don't know, and assume. Believe me when I say I've been tested and stuck to my morals, even saving an enemy and the aftemath having to suffer the consequences for it.

So, we can make this personal, but there's no need, nor reason to personalize over a TV show to this level. You have no authority to downgrade those for having ethics, morals and a sense of justice, regardless of what character is under scrutiny. it doesn't always mean they had a sugar-coated life. You take it too personal as if it were real life, and it was you being dissected.

But it is TV. As a show that appeals to the masses, it is a bad example to set for younger viewers to believe that vengeance in a criminal fashion is acceptable, it is not, at least on TV. TV must set the balck and white example, that false hood, because do what hse did, you go to jail, or get killed. Because in reality there is real life circumstances, real consequences that require much more. You clearly relate to the Lana character on a personal passonate level. I suggest not showing that inclination.



She had her suspicions, it's naive to believe she didn't have doubts. she was just being spiteful that Clark dumped her for what he thought would be for her own good.



End of season 4, the stabbing death of Geneveive Teague. Lionel helped her out of that one as I recall. A little overly assertive, aren't you? I really don't need to put down details, for you haven't. Just self-serving view points.



Lana has a sixth sense, Jason's story was cover. Whitney was the popular guy, impressive by HS standards. Clark is where her sense comes into play, she knew he was hidding something, like Lex knew it was something big. Lex, for obvious reasons. this is how her character is written, it is no secret Lana is addicted to power in all forms, why do I need to explain what in painfully obvious? She literally had a thirst for power. The reason it makes the character more interesting, interesting to a fault, it is ambition and weakness. The people she surrounded herself by pushed her into the dark corner, now there's no turning back. And I actually liked it until this powersuit debacle nonsense. First Isabelle, thirst, wrath... :p It's the character assasination I was speaking about earlier, season 4 she developed this instinctive lust for power. It started with Clark.



That's nice, now go take it up with them because I joined five days ago and can really care less. CK is the hero, he's supposed to save people, it was never an issue with me. But I'll answer anyway. The problem with Lana having power for one, it was a trap set up by Lex knowing her desire. And unbelievable powersuit that's near equal to superman's speed and strenth when he hasn't even become superman. What's the point of superman? It emasculated the man of steel to a sniveling puke-green babe. Also Lana was never meant to have such a major role on smallville let alone the superman mythos. It's too extreme, silly, and flat out stupid.

It would make more ses if it were Lemaris.



Because it isn't that simple, her desire for power lead to this, she played right into Lex's hands. Cause and effect, how can you learn form your mistakes if you do not acknowledge them? It was so obvious what he was up to. Also Clark's stupidty didn't help as well.



No need, I have brother who was a cop and had to kill somone, someone I actually went to school with. I also come from a military family, so I'm no stranger to such things. I wouldn't run with assumptions because I don't see the world as you do. Again, I'm not white lol. I simply have discipline, not weak to listen of whines of the condoning of criminal behavior on TV. Yet, in life it is a different projection, it's not so black and white, I know this.

However, when I speak here, I seperate TV from reality. TV must set the example of morality, especially with a story about supes. Again, jumping to debate to personalizing, You're confusing real life, with fantasy. But this also vengeance vs the heat of the moment. Lana's is premeditated

ivory tower, pshhh :lol: that's a good one.

;) Perhaps I will as long as there is no personalizations and a full out debate, unless I agree with what you posted.

all of this is well put, ITA

[Heilige]

MR was tired of playing the same role, and he wanted to do other things. I also believe he had a personal issue with someone on the set, but I'm not sure. He gives off that vibe in his interviews. KK left because she wanted to do Street Fighter and other things as well. I'm not sure if there is anything else to why she left.

I don't have links to any interviews, but you can look on the newspage, scroll down to find her interviews. I think they are all there.


Thanks for the info!

Personally, do you feel they should have just weathered it out and stayed since it was just one more season(Season 8) or two maximum(Season 9)?

[Krpyto]

I challenge all the haters to go back and watch old episodes of Smallville starting from Season 1 and then say we did not deserve the Clana resolution that we finally received. We had to suffer through four seasons of teasing over Clana before they finally consumated their love (at the beginning of season 5) and then they both went through hell over the next couple of years. I think clark and lana deserved a goodbye. Personally I found the ending sad but a neccessary step for Clark to grow into what he is going to become.

[bor-el]

that was the worst way clark and lana could have ended the relationship.

[Jor-Fer]

After "requiem" I´ll find very hard to watch earlier seasons because every single clana scene will remember me their kryptonized break-up.

[margarita_salt]

Yeah it will be hard to watch the eppy's before this one because you know now how Clana ends. It was really sad!

[Mickey_Bickey]

I'm sad too! Sad for Clark's character who was put through the Clana gauntlet! Thank goodness it's finally over.

[skugers]

OMG! "kryptonized break-up"! That's the most hilarious description of Clana ending :D

[Dominicus]

I challenge all the haters to go back and watch old episodes of Smallville starting from Season 1 and then say we did not deserve the Clana resolution that we finally received. We had to suffer through four seasons of teasing over Clana before they finally consumated their love (at the beginning of season 5) and then they both went through hell over the next couple of years. I think clark and lana deserved a goodbye. Personally I found the ending sad but a neccessary step for Clark to grow into what he is going to become.Everyone has. We all simply view smallville differently. Everyone suffers, but the mythos suffered most of all due to Clana. Their end kept coming and going into a repetitive cycle to the point some called it the break-up show. After season three, Clana was redundant and beyond tolerable. There was no character developement for Clark because it was focused on such pettiness and trivialities. I just think it's taken too seriously and people personalize themselves, seeing themselves as that character. The end result is the same. It's done.

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OMG! "kryptonized break-up"! That's the most hilarious description of Clana ending :DAgreed, signifies their relationship was poison to begin with.

[Fly by guy]

While Clana was being Kryptonized, the fans were being sodo*****. Thank gawd and six little green men this arc is over. I was a Clana fan for a long time, but this drivel was way beyond stupid. Maybe my son should become a writer for SV, the bar is so low he could step over.

[skugers]

While Clana was being Kryptonized, the fans were being sodo*****. Thank gawd and six little green men this arc is over. I was a Clana fan for a long time, but this drivel was way beyond stupid. Maybe my son should become a writer for SV, the bar is so low he could step over.
:rotfl:

[KneelBeforeZod!]

I didn't mind the ending. it was emotional enough. but i think the huge difference between lois and lana will help clark grow.

he can't pine over lois the way he does with lana. Lois is a woman. Lana is a girl. Lois will will demand an adult relationship without all the drama.

Let him grieve over lana, and then get on with the business of being superman in future episodes.

[Dominicus]

I didn't mind the ending. it was emotional enough. but i think the huge difference between lois and lana will help clark grow.

he can't pine over lois the way he does with lana. Lois is a woman. Lana is a girl. Lois will will demand an adult relationship without all the drama.

Let him grieve over lana, and then get on with the business of being superman in future episodes.Very nicely put!:)

[skugers]

I didn't mind the ending. it was emotional enough. but i think the huge difference between lois and lana will help clark grow.

he can't pine over lois the way he does with lana. Lois is a woman. Lana is a girl. Lois will will demand an adult relationship without all the drama.

Let him grieve over lana, and then get on with the business of being superman in future episodes.
absolutely! :cool:

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

I challenge all the haters to go back and watch old episodes of Smallville starting from Season 1 and then say we did not deserve the Clana resolution that we finally received. We had to suffer through four seasons of teasing over Clana before they finally consumated their love (at the beginning of season 5) and then they both went through hell over the next couple of years. I think clark and lana deserved a goodbye. Personally I found the ending sad but a neccessary step for Clark to grow into what he is going to become.

Believe me I have watched all the episodes again and again. I'm sorry but I don't like to be called a hater. And yes Clark and Lana or Clana have been through a lot. However there was no proper resolution to the relationship. It's a show, and the ups and downs are part of what you call drama. And I think everyone had felt for the relationship at one time or another. But there were points in the show that made the relationship regress Clark from being the future superman. I think at this point many people dismissed it as dysfunctional and at the expense of the main character Clark Kent. The resolution or lets say lack of resolution IMO for the ending of Clana was bad and not necessary and it went to far.

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We have. We simply view it differently. Everyone suffers, but the mythos suffered most of all due to Clana. Their end kept coming and going into a repetitive cycle to the point some called it the break-up show. After season three, Clana was redundant and beyond tolerable. There was no character developement for Clark because it was focused on such pettiness and trivialities. I just think it's taken too seriously and people personalize themselves, seeing themselves as that character. The end result is the same. It's done.

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Agreed, signifies their relationship was poison to begin with.

Agreed it was a repetitive cycle,and it still has no closure. I hope you don't categorize yourself as a hater?:\

[Dominicus]

Agreed it was a repetitive cycle,and it still has no closure. I hope you don't categorize yourself as a hater?:\No not a hater at all. More so a defender of what I think is a narrowed view.:) Because I can understand why haters are frustrated with Lana, clana, and clark, oh my!:rotfl:

But after re-reading my own post, I can see how that can confuse, so edited it, thanks for bringing it up.

[Tinyeppy]

I’m no stranger in stating I really didn’t like the way they ended CLANA. That was no real closure after 8 yrs of this never meant to be relationship that was supposed to have ended in the ending of season 5. I just wanted some simple normal closure. I’m I asking for much.
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They just glorified CLANA to create some sort of emotional obstacle for CLOIS development. Reminisce will bound to be there in there progression to a relationship and CLANA ending on bad note was just tragically wrong and uncalled for.<O:p></O:p>
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For KK returns in the series finale I don’t have a problem with it as long as it’s a way of Lana Lang acknowledging that she’s lost Clark forever & sees him extremely determined to be utter faithfully, deeply honesty truly in love with his proclaim soul mate Lois Lane.<O:p></O:p>
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As well as Lana witnessing Clark transformation into Superman. “The Man of Steel” who finished his Kryptonian training and is no longer the boy she’s been in love with. CK is Superman & doesn’t need anyone to tell him what is right to do instead he’ll lead & tell you what to do.<O:p></O:p>
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Lana loved the boy but will never love the man. She doesn’t know his Kryptonian side.<O:p></O:p>
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Lois Joanne Lane Kent loves Clark Kent and Kal-el with no restrictions.<O:p></O:p>
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[Dominicus]

Lois Joanne Lane Kent loves Clark Kent and Kal-el with no restrictions.<O:p</O:p Surprised you didn't add Clark Jerome Kent :lol: But I agree with your entire in-depth post, very well said.

[jjsmallvillelvr]

I challenge all the haters to go back and watch old episodes of Smallville starting from Season 1 and then say we did not deserve the Clana resolution that we finally received. We had to suffer through four seasons of teasing over Clana before they finally consumated their love (at the beginning of season 5) and then they both went through hell over the next couple of years. I think clark and lana deserved a goodbye. Personally I found the ending sad but a neccessary step for Clark to grow into what he is going to become.touche!:)

[MountainSniper]

Hi Timester,


What? We are talking about Shovel Lana? She did ordered the torturing. She SHOVELED her kidnappee.
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ITA

In what scene in what episode did Lana order cabin lady to torture Lionel Luthor?

What evidence do you have for Lana Lang ordering cabin lady to torture Lionel Luthor?

BTW in what self righteous politically correct world is a shovel in the head torture?

Rather than me wasting my time typing out a detailed definition of torture for you why don’t you google “Tuol Svay Prey High School” and you find out what torture really is but fair warning, such a lesson isn’t for the squeamish.

As an aside I really don’t end the endless tears and gashing of teeth over EVOL Lana Lang going after Lionel Luther. Lionel Luther is a mass murder who has killed and tortured dozens of people, personally went after Lana Lang by blackmailing her into marrying his psychopath son, forced her to spy for him and when she tried to go public with the dirt Lionel Luther tried to murder her.

If someone would have done such to me I wouldn’t have hit them in the face with a shovel but instead used a battle axe.

All the best,

Cheers Mountain Sniper





Hi Dominicus,

Maybe I am being thick which happens more often than I wish but I still am missing your reference/point/etc

I said this: Mountain Sniper Quote: “Which tells Lionel that when he blackmails Lana into marrying his mass murder of a son he shouldn't expect love and understanding. Also Lionel hiring a hitman to kill Lana confirms that Lana was dead on regarding her opinion of Lionel Luther.”


Then you wrote the following to counter point my above quote:
But she speculated, suspecting initially, something you're obviously against. :D;)


And I asked you what you are referring to me being against etc which you followed up with the following:
Your previous posts denouncing speculation without proof, the same can be said for Lana who had her suspisions but no proof. No matter, you didn't get it. .


I don’t see the reference or connection you are referring to as a counter point.

Lana didn’t speculate that Lionel blackmailed her into marry Lex since she has the direct experience of him doing it to her face? Thus Lana knows Lionel is a bad guy. She is not speculating but instead using direct experience. Later when Lana decides to take the information that Lionel is blackmailing her into getting to the Daily Planet instead of handing it over to Lionel and the hitman shoots her that is not speculation but the direct experience of having to bullet go into her body courtesy of Lionel Luther.

Thus Lana has the direct experience from a bullet wound and being witness to blackmail etc that Lionel Luther is a bad guy.

I don’t think she is speculating at all.



Clark warned her of sleeping with devil, everyone did.

Really? So when did Clark (and/or Chloe) do this? In what scene and what episode?

Now before you post just think about the timeline and in later episodes what he (and/or Chloe) said to Lana regarding her relationship with Lex.

That whole Clark and Chloe tried their best etc to save Lana from being tricked into a relationship with the devil is simply a Lana Lang bashing myth.

Really look at the sequence of the episodes, what is said and what is known as truth and not speculation and it is obvious that Clark and Chloe could have stopped Lana but for the sake of dramatics and leaving huge freaking plot holes they ignored their duty to tell their friend Lana what she was going into.

However that doesn’t excuse the powers that be on how they made Lexana development look as contrived as Chloe’s sudden decision to sell out Clark to Lionel Luther at the end of Season 2.

There thought there should have been a more logical progression into Lexana which I whine about in the following thread which explains my position in more detail:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117940

Check out Number 17. Chloe has some realistic motivation for selling out Clark to Lionel & 28 which is about Lexana.



Lana was not naive of Lex, she knew what she was getting into.

Wrong and proof is if Lana Lang knew the truth about Lex Luthor ie fake babies, physical and mental abuse, murder, torture etc she would have never married him.

However Lana Lang was written to be naïve to the point of stupidity which was done by the powers that be for dramatic effect etc but that does not change the fact that she was not aware of what she was getting into.



but not the criminal-minded way she went about it. She turned into one of them.

Lana Lang did not turn into a Luthor. This is another K-site Lana bashing myth which no one ever seems to examine with any detail, evidence etc.

The critical difference is the Luthors will go after anyone with violence of action ie ordinary people, meteor freaks, business rivals, doctors, high school kids etc while Lana Lang only goes after the Luthors.

This is a huge difference which the Lana bashings always conveniently ignore.



However, I do agree she has the right to get angry, retribution even, it’s not wrong, it's what you find acceptable, justified, or tolerable.

What do you find acceptable when they sabotage your relationship, drug and trick you into marriage, fake a miscarriage, physically and emotionally abuse you, blackmail you by threatening to kill the love of your life, hire a hitman who puts a bullet into you and never forget the Luthors have proved time after time to be above the law?

So what do you think is acceptable?



You take it too personal as if it were real life, and it was you being dissected.

Naaaaa, I don’t take anything personally since I have the skin of a Rhino. It’s just the inborn aggression of my nature brought on by the forced idleness of watching the sun set over the Rub al Khali when I want to be out in the Gulf putting a spear into a tasty tuna.



But it is TV. As a show that appeals to the masses, it is a bad example to set for younger viewers to believe that vengeance in a criminal fashion is acceptable, it is not, at least on TV. TV must set the black and white example, that false hood, because if you do what she did, you go to jail, or get killed. Because in reality there is real-life circumstances, real consequences that require much more and can be fatal.


In that case about 80% of the plots of action moves/TV series are detrimental to the masses and must be censored to protect the innocent etc.

Hey, it’s TV which is just entertainment and not a classical Greek text on ethics.



End of season 4, the stabbing death of Genevieve Teague. Lionel helped her out of that one as I recall. A little overly assertive, aren't you? I really don't need to put down details, for you haven't. Just self-serving view points.


Oh look this old chestnut!

Isobel not Lana Lang committed that killing and seeing there was a gun in Genevieve’s hands there is a strong case that Isobel didn’t commit murder but instead it was self defense.

So again in what episode or scene did Lana Lang commit murder?



Lana has a sixth sense, Jason's story was cover. Whitney was the popular guy, impressive by HS standards. Clark is where her sense comes into play, she knew he was hiding something, like Lex knew it was something big. Lex, for obvious reasons. this is how her character is written, it is no secret Lana is addicted to power in all forms, why do I need to explain what in painfully obvious? She literally had a thirst for power.

You can’t back up your statement that “Lana is addicted to power in all forms” which is why you have to explain it and back up it up with evidence.

Many people date high school athletes and in doing so it does not prove they are addicted to power. Even if such a thing was true (which it is not) why does Lana (being addicted to power) develop feelings for a nice, shy farm boy and is ready to leave the popular jock for the shy farm boy until circumstances out of her control i.e. Whitneys father’s heart attack intervene?

As for Jason again many people date guys that have to work their way through collage but that doesn’t make them addicted to power so again in such an example you have no evidence for Lana being addicted to power.

As for Clark Lana doesn’t know the nature of his secret. She doesn’t know if it is physical or physiological or part of Clark or maybe part of his family etc. For she knows it could be dark and disturbing or even a weakness rather than powerful abilities.

Lana has no idea that Clark is an alien with Allah like powers.

Regarding Lex he is the only one of her four serious relationships what can be labeled easily and directly as powerful.

So one out of four doesn’t prove that Lana Lang is addicted to power and when you put in the fact that she wants to do good ie charity work, cornea transplants etc with the power she has in her marriage to Lex Luther it shows she is no megalomaniac.

So do you have anything else as evidence? Please post it.



The problem with Lana having power for one, it was a trap set up by Lex knowing her desire. And unbelievable power-suit that's near equal to superman's speed and strength when he hasn't even become superman. What's the point of superman? It emasculated the man of steel to a sniveling puke-green babe. Also Lana was never meant to have such a major role on smallville let alone the superman mythos. It's too extreme, silly, and flat out stupid.

I don’t know if the above is part of your evidence that Lana Lang is addicted to power or just general comments/observations.

If it is evidence my counter point is that Lana Lang directly and unambiguously stated her reasons for putting on the power suit which are logical etc she can be with the man she loves and he doesn’t have to worry about her etc.

If it is a general comment I agree with you but will qualify it by saying I don’t like anyone having superpowers or being like Clark. I like my Superman as totally unique with no other Kryptons, Martian Manhunter etc. The odd meteor freak is ok as long as they only have one power and in the end lose their powers to become ordinary (but crazy) people.

Which is why I never would have given Lana powers but would have killed her (& Chloe my two favorite characters) in a heroic exit in the last episode of the series.




Because it isn't that simple, her desire for power lead to this, she played right into Lex's hands. Cause and effect, how can you learn form your mistakes if you do not acknowledge them? It was so obvious what he was up to.

No it was not Lana Lang’s addiction to power that LEAD TO THIS since it was not Lana that went after Lex but Lex that went after Lana ie break up plan with Simone etc.

It was Lana’s being naïve, vulnerable due to Clark dumping in a fairly brutal way, being drugged and general stupidity that caused her to fall for Lex’s charms and not any addiction to power.



Lana's actions were premeditated, meaning she had time to think, to go a different route of prosecution/retribution, but she chose a darker path, this cannot be ignored.

Same question as I asked you above.

So what should Lana do (or what would you do) to the Luthors if they sabotage your relationship, drug and trick you into marriage, fake a miscarriage, physically and emotionally abuse you, blackmail you by threatening to kill the love of your life, hire a hitman who puts a bullet into you and there is no running to the Law since the Luthors have time and time proven they live out side the rule of law?

So what should Lana do?

Warmest Regards, Mountain Sniper

[zanaamen]

I'm sad too! Sad for Clark's character who was put through the Clana gauntlet! Thank goodness it's finally over.

yeh, but if you were never heard the story of Superman did you saying that??

[Timester]

In what scene in what episode did Lana order cabin lady to torture Lionel Luthor?

What evidence do you have for Lana Lang ordering cabin lady to torture Lionel Luthor?

BTW in what self righteous politically correct world is a shovel in the head torture?

Wasn't the cabin lady torturing Lionel? Didn't Lana shoveled Lionel and deliver Lionel back to his torturer?

It's a TV show, you also have to read between the lines.

[Mickey_Bickey]

yeh, but if you were never heard the story of Superman did you saying that??


I wouldn't even be watching this show if I never heard the story of Superman! LOL!

Regardless, it doesn't take a knowledge of the Superman lore to see when your favorite character looks like a bafoon, and that's exactly what Clark Kent ended up looking like so that Lana Lang could be the "end all be all" of this show. Very sad that the writers and KK didn't consider his character in all this.:(

[zanaamen]

I wouldn't even be watching this show if I never heard the story of Superman! LOL!

Regardless, it doesn't take a knowledge of the Superman lore to see when your favorite character looks like a bafoon, and that's exactly what Clark Kent ended up looking like so that Lana Lang could be the "end all be all" of this show. Very sad that the writers and KK didn't consider his character in all this.:(


then you have to know this show is never been about Clois
beside, I’ve no doubt in my mind if that superman you’re talking about it created as SV you’ll agreed that Lois is not the right girl for superman :)

[suzieQ]

Hi Timester,




Lana Lang did not turn into a Luthor. This is another K-site Lana bashing myth which no one ever seems to examine with any detail, evidence etc.

The critical difference is the Luthors will go after anyone with violence of action ie ordinary people, meteor freaks, business rivals, doctors, high school kids etc while Lana Lang only goes after the Luthors.

This is a huge difference which the Lana bashings always conveniently ignore.




What do you find acceptable when they sabotage your relationship, drug and trick you into marriage, fake a miscarriage, physically and emotionally abuse you, blackmail you by threatening to kill the love of your life, hire a hitman who puts a bullet into you and never forget the Luthors have proved time after time to be above the law?

So what do you think is acceptable?





Isobel not Lana Lang committed that killing and seeing there was a gun in Genevieve’s hands there is a strong case that Isobel didn’t commit murder but instead it was self defense.

So again in what episode or scene did Lana Lang commit murder?




You can’t back up your statement that “Lana is addicted to power in all forms” which is why you have to explain it and back up it up with evidence.

Many people date high school athletes and in doing so it does not prove they are addicted to power. Even if such a thing was true (which it is not) why does Lana (being addicted to power) develop feelings for a nice, shy farm boy and is ready to leave the popular jock for the shy farm boy until circumstances out of her control i.e. Whitneys father’s heart attack intervene?

As for Jason again many people date guys that have to work their way through collage but that doesn’t make them addicted to power so again in such an example you have no evidence for Lana being addicted to power.

As for Clark Lana doesn’t know the nature of his secret. She doesn’t know if it is physical or physiological or part of Clark or maybe part of his family etc. For she knows it could be dark and disturbing or even a weakness rather than powerful abilities.

Lana has no idea that Clark is an alien with Allah like powers.

Regarding Lex he is the only one of her four serious relationships what can be labeled easily and directly as powerful.

So one out of four doesn’t prove that Lana Lang is addicted to power and when you put in the fact that she wants to do good ie charity work, cornea transplants etc with the power she has in her marriage to Lex Luther it shows she is no megalomaniac.

So do you have anything else as evidence? Please post it.




I don’t know if the above is part of your evidence that Lana Lang is addicted to power or just general comments/observations.

If it is evidence my counter point is that Lana Lang directly and unambiguously stated her reasons for putting on the power suit which are logical etc she can be with the man she loves and he doesn’t have to worry about her etc.

If it is a general comment I agree with you but will qualify it by saying I don’t like anyone having superpowers or being like Clark. I like my Superman as totally unique with no other Kryptons, Martian Manhunter etc. The odd meteor freak is ok as long as they only have one power and in the end lose their powers to become ordinary (but crazy) people.

Which is why I never would have given Lana powers but would have killed her (& Chloe my two favorite characters) in a heroic exit in the last episode of the series.


So what should Lana do (or what would you do) to the Luthors if they sabotage your relationship, drug and trick you into marriage, fake a miscarriage, physically and emotionally abuse you, blackmail you by threatening to kill the love of your life, hire a hitman who puts a bullet into you and there is no running to the Law since the Luthors have time and time proven they live out side the rule of law?

So what should Lana do?

Warmest Regards, Mountain Sniper


There you are, Sandman............

Love all your responses.......

I would like to hear your rationale on the bolded part of your quote! Share your thoughts with US......you know where!

The Lana bashing will still be here when you get back. ;)

[gem65]

what exactly has he learned? "Love conquers all" dont make me laugh. You know I've never bought into that whole "you never get over your first love" bull, the point is you do get over them, and more often then not you look back at your behavior with that person and wonder what made them SO wonderful to begin with.

I was in love with someone last year. Now I look back and I wonder WHAT THE HECK DID I EVER SEE IN HIM? So I absolutely agree with you.

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When I heard that Lana was coming back for a few episodes, I hoped (naively) that Clark would realize he was no longer in love with Lana and that they would have closure. But after "Requiem", I just don't know. If anything, it set back the Clois relationship. I find it hard to believe that in a few episodes Clark will be gaga over Lois.

[Mickey_Bickey]

then you have to know this show is never been about Clois
beside, I’ve no doubt in my mind if that superman you’re talking about it created as SV you’ll agreed that Lois is not the right girl for superman :)

No, that's an incorrect assumption. I actually routed for Chloe in the first couple of seasons, because Clark wasn't a bafoon around her character like he was around Lana's. The fact that Clark is more confident, intelligent, secure, funny, sarcastic and charming around Lois I would have wanted to see them together regardless of any prior knowledge of the Superman mythology. They're just much more fun to watch.

Clana is boring for me. Too much angst, drama, forced feelings, zero chemistry, and just the way Clark's character acts around Lana (as evident in these last few episodes) that's turned me off of this couple. Lana brings Clark down on many levels. She's always been nothing but a distraction to him becoming Superman as well as maturing into a self thinker.

This show has been about Clois as well as other relationships, especially this season. Regardless, Clark is going to move on finally. I'm looking forward to seeing Clark's character act like Superman again come March 5th.

[skugers]

No, that's an incorrect assumption. I actually routed for Chloe in the first couple of seasons, because Clark wasn't a bafoon around her character like he was Lana's. The fact that Clark is more confident, intelligent, secure, funny, sarcastic and charming around Lois I would have wanted to see them together regardless of any prior knowledge of the Superman mythology. They're just much more fun to watch.

Clana is boring for me. Too much angst, drama, forced feelings, zero chemistry, and just the way Clark's character acts around Lana (as evident in these last few episodes) that's turned me off of this couple. Lana brings Clark down on many levels. She's always been nothing but a distraction to him becoming Superman as well as maturing into a self thinker.

This show has been about Clois as well as other relationships, especially this season. Regardless, Clark is going to move on finally. I'm looking forward to seeing Clark's character act like Superman again come March 5th.
Of course I agree and I couldn't have said it better myself :cool:

[Mickey_Bickey]

Of course I agree and I couldn't have said it better myself :cool:

Thank you!:)

[red_sun1938]

I have said it before and here I go again. This Lana arc was a complete waste of screen time and lends no credibility to anything that has transpired so far in season 08 and gives no credibility whatsoever to any of Clark's future relationships on this show.

If anything, they have forced a star-crossed lover arc down our throats for 8 years. Why even introduce Lois on this show if she is only used as a flirtation for Clark and glorified comic relief?

Ugh, this was an insult.

[Dresden]

No, that's an incorrect assumption. I actually routed for Chloe in the first couple of seasons, because Clark wasn't a bafoon around her character like he was around Lana's. The fact that Clark is more confident, intelligent, secure, funny, sarcastic and charming around Lois I would have wanted to see them together regardless of any prior knowledge of the Superman mythology. They're just much more fun to watch.

Clana is boring for me. Too much angst, drama, forced feelings, zero chemistry, and just the way Clark's character acts around Lana (as evident in these last few episodes) that's turned me off of this couple. Lana brings Clark down on many levels. She's always been nothing but a distraction to him becoming Superman as well as maturing into a self thinker.

This show has been about Clois as well as other relationships, especially this season. Regardless, Clark is going to move on finally. I'm looking forward to seeing Clark's character act like Superman again come March 5th.

What a great post! I agree completely.

[jjsmallvillelvr]

lana...we nvr saw order the toryuring of lionel luthor...one could assume that if they please...but its all about perspective...who knows maybe lana didnt know he was being totrtured...naive much...but maybe she didnt...maybe she did...think what you will!

[Tinyeppy]

I didn't mind the ending. it was emotional enough. but i think the huge difference between lois and lana will help clark grow.

he can't pine over lois the way he does with lana. Lois is a woman. Lana is a girl. Lois will will demand an adult relationship without all the drama.

Let him grieve over lana, and then get on with the business of being superman in future episodes.


It emotional indeed. As ITA with that Clois relationship will be very different and difficult because Lois is not Lana. She's also has been in relationships & she will not put up with all Clarks drama with Clana if it affect herself emotionally. Lois doesn't like constant suffering like Lana. Lois has walls she will not deal with it she'll cut CK off.

Lois unlike Lana is a women willing to compromise & try it out if it doen't work she try something else. I just don't see Lois with all the Clana drama. Lois doesn't play all this games that Lana does. She what you see is what you get, you don't like then then move off. And she won't have a problem in continuing her life without CK she b/c one the best reporters in Metropolis without CK. This is what make Lois emotionally is way much more mature then Lana Lang & at this point Clark Kent.

I also see Lois as a Women & Lana as a Girl. CK has to admitted the failure of Clana. TPTB have to distinguish the difference and importance of the "greatest love story in DC comics".

Lana was a Fluke and I Puked all the way.

I'm going to throw a party the episode when Lana Lang notices that Clark Kent has fallen extremely in Love with Lois Lane and there's just nothing she can do about it. :)

[skugers]

It emotional indeed. As ITA with that Clois relationship will be very different and difficult because Lois is not Lana. She's also has been in relationships & she will not put up with all Clarks drama with Clana if it affect herself emotionally. Lois doesn't like constant suffering like Lana. Lois has walls she will not deal with it she'll cut CK off.

Lois unlike Lana is a women willing to compromise & try it out if it doen't work she try something else. I just don't see Lois with all the Clana drama. Lois doesn't play all this games that Lana does. She what you see is what you get, you don't like then then move off. And she won't have a problem in continuing her life without CK she b/c one the best reporters in Metropolis without CK. This is what make Lois emotionally is way much more mature then Lana Lang & at this point Clark Kent.

I also see Lois as a Women & Lana as a Girl. CK has to admitted the failure of Clana. TPTB have to distinguish the difference and importance of the "greatest love story in DC comics".

Lana was a Fluke and I Puked all the way.

I'm going to throw a party the episode when Lana Lang notices that Clark Kent has fallen extremely in Love with Lois Lane and there's just nothing she can do about it. :)
I love you for that post!:rotfl:(in a friendly way, sure thing:D)

[Marc_MLarCk]

I don't know from where you get this interpretation... because I don't find it in previous seasons

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I’m no stranger in stating I really didn’t like the way they ended CLANA. That was no real closure after 8 yrs of this never meant to be relationship that was supposed to have ended in the ending of season 5. I just wanted some simple normal closure. I’m I asking for much.
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They just glorified CLANA to create some sort of emotional obstacle for CLOIS development. Reminisce will bound to be there in there progression to a relationship and CLANA ending on bad note was just tragically wrong and uncalled for.<O:p></O:p>
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For KK returns in the series finale I don’t have a problem with it as long as it’s a way of Lana Lang acknowledging that she’s lost Clark forever & sees him extremely determined to be utter faithfully, deeply honesty truly in love with his proclaim soul mate Lois Lane.<O:p></O:p>
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As well as Lana witnessing Clark transformation into Superman. “The Man of Steel” who finished his Kryptonian training and is no longer the boy she’s been in love with. CK is Superman & doesn’t need anyone to tell him what is right to do instead he’ll lead & tell you what to do.<O:p></O:p>
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Lana loved the boy but will never love the man. She doesn’t know his Kryptonian side.<O:p></O:p>
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Lois Joanne Lane Kent loves Clark Kent and Kal-el with no restrictions.<O:p></O:p>
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I don't know from where you get this interpretation... because I don't find it in previous seasons

[Mickey_Bickey]

What a great post! I agree completely.

Thank you, Dresden!!:D:o

[Marc_MLarCk]

Why adulating or hating Lana or Lois ? They are two persons, different each with their own personality! It seems to me more interesting to try to understand why Clark is attracted by the one or by the other one and what the one as the other one brings to the history of Superman...

[MountainSniper]

Hi Timester,


Wasn't the cabin lady torturing Lionel?

So what? Do you think the cabin lady is Lana Lang in disguise?

Did you see the cabin lady taking calls from Lana Lang where she is asking if cabin lady has managed to torture the information out of Lionel?

Did you see the cabin lady even once interrogate Lionel asking for answers to questions that Lana would want to know?

Did you see the cabin lady passing on the results of her torture interrogation to Lana Lang?

Did you see Lana Lang even enter the cabin and check out on how the cabin ladies torture sessions were going?

We have seen scenes where Lionel and Lex are both on site or calling in to happily check on the results of working on some poor sod strapped down on a slab in the lab.

So tell us again Timester in what episode and scene was Lana Lang torturing anyone?

BTW Just to preempt the obvious counter point attempt I don’t count Lana is a torturer just because the fact that she is breathing on screen is unbearable to the K-Site Lana bashers. She actually has to be torturing someone on the show and not just the Lana bashers in the audience.



Didn't Lana shoveled Lionel and deliver Lionel back to his torturer?

And how is this proof that Lana is a torturer?

The fact is Lana Lang wouldn’t even go into the cabin because she doesn’t want Lionel to see her and know she is behind the original kidnapping.

Lionel Luther is a mass murderer that blackmailed Lana into marrying his psycho son by threatening to kill the man she loves. Lana in her marriage was drugged to believe she lost a baby, physically and mentally abused and when she tried to go to the Daily Planet with the information she had been forced in her marriage to collect for Lionel Luther he tried to have her murdered.

I don’t know what the deal is these days stateside but if someone is responsible for putting a bullet into you or one of your buddies out here in the Sandbox a shovel in the face is getting off pretty easy.


It's a TV show, you also have to read between the lines.

Which is fine if you are just playing around in the fantasy world of your imagination where Lana Lang is this EVOL wicked witch of the West character but if you present your opinion in public on a message board for debate then you need to provide some evidence from the actual show that is on your TV screen rather than the imaginary version playing in your head.

All the best,

Warmest Regards, Mountain Sniper

[Dominicus]

Hi Dominicus,

Maybe I am being thick which happens more often than I wish but I still am missing your reference/point/etc It had nothing to do with that statement, it was another previous statement with Lana suspecting/speculating, forget it, I berely remember what it is now. it wasn't a big deal.


Really? So when did Clark (and/or Chloe) do this? In what scene and what episode?

Clark as Kal-El. And her mistrust of Lex was evident at that point when she wasn’t forthcoming, withheld information from him, and started eavesdropping. She also started to lie to Lex (before) they were married. She was not that naive or stupid. It's the extent to what Lex would go to she didn't know.


That whole Clark and Chloe tried their best etc to save Lana from being tricked into a relationship with the devil is simply a Lana Lang bashing myth.

As I said, you take these forums too seriously. I have never, until requiem, been interested in looking or joining a forum on this subject matter, so it's all new to me. I don't know of past common theories or beliefs, it is what it is. And have no biased or ill will towards her character.


Really look at the sequence of the episodes, what is said and what is known as truth and not speculation and it is obvious that Clark and Chloe could have stopped Lana but for the sake of dramatics and leaving huge freaking plot holes they ignored their duty to tell their friend Lana what she was going into.

Lana had doubts herself. I recall her not wanting to marry Lex, until Lionel intervened holding Clark's weakness over her head as leverage. She also wanted to stay by Lex's side for a reason. I give a hint, it was not for love. But you know this, so there's no reason to deny, or put a blindfold over what is common knowledge.

Clark and Chloe had no proof on Lexm just strong intuition, rumors and belief. If they did, they would’ve exposed him to the public, and turned Lex into the authorities. That is why all they can say is: "you don’t know Lex like I do", yet not formulate a detailed explanation as to why. Clark can only say that Lex was spying on him, for the same reason Lana knew he was hiding something. Because he was, and Lex had a legitimate interest in that mystery, as did Lana.

The only difference between the two, was that Lex felt it was his right to know everyone’s secrets. They didn't trust Lex, he was suspect. Same with Lana, she had the same mistrusts of, Luthor, but ignored those precautions and ventured into unmarked territory. She was always cautious of him, but because of her anger at Clark, blinded her of the danger.


Wrong and proof is if Lana Lang knew the truth about Lex Luthor ie fake babies, physical and mental abuse, murder, torture etc she would have never married him.

Wrong. She was forced to marry him. We both know this to be true. And where's your proof of that, because that statement alone is a belief of what you think she would do. That is not a fact. You should stick to your own rhetoric.


Lana Lang did not turn into a Luthor. This is another K-site Lana bashing myth which no one ever seems to examine with any detail, evidence etc.

Oh yes she did, and there's a reason for it.


The critical difference is the Luthors will go after anyone with violence of action ie ordinary people, meteor freaks, business rivals, doctors, high school kids etc while Lana Lang only goes after the Luthors.

That's not a difference, that an extension of how far they will go to get what they want indiscriminately. That's part of the Luthor's ruthlessness. But there were several dirty methods used Lana incorporated, tather inherited through the marriage. Stealing, kidnaping, spying, deceit, falsehoods ect, the only difference was that she was used their own methods against them.

It was clever, and I do recall Lex and Lionel complimenting the Luthor trade, as it was stated. She was like them, and she certainly didn't deny it, rather embraced it to destroy the Luthors. To kill your enemy, you must become your enemy. I'm sure you already know this.

Bashing? Utter nonsense, this isn't near bashing, it's character assessment. Pointing out faults, or characteristics, does not constitute as bashing. It calling it for what it is, even if it is a less then favorable view. The difference is, if you believe those faults are justifiable. To me, some of them are, but not all. There were times I felt she was too extreme and crossing the line. That's an opinion, everyone is entitled the assessment. The writers made the character flaw, it is divided by how people interpreted it.

As I said, I like Lana Lang and her faults. That's why I like her, because she isn't perfect. But I don't like the fact she gets excused for it. Vs Oliver and Chloe getting lectures from Clark constantly.


What do you find acceptable when they sabotage your relationship, drug and trick you into marriage, fake a miscarriage, physically and emotionally abuse you, blackmail you by threatening to kill the love of your life, hire a hitman who puts a bullet into you and never forget the Luthors have proved time after time to be above the law?

Clearly you misunderstood. I said she had the right to be angry, to take retribution. Everything done to Lex was deserved, Lionel, it was deserved but to a point. On a ethical scale, it was dirty and Lana knew it as well. Eventually in season 8 she showed a more matured Lana, able to honorably take action, instead of being like the enemy.

Like spying on Lex, holding Lionel, preventing medical assitance. Which is a classic luthor trait. Don't say they didn't rub off on her, otherwise this debate will be over and I know exactly what I'm dealing with, a bleeding heart who sees no fault, when even the characters themselve admit their faults. The proof of that is throughout 6, 7, 8 seasons.


Naaaaa, I don’t take anything personally since I have the skin of a Rhino. It’s just the inborn aggression of my nature brought on by the forced idleness of watching the sun set over the Rub al Khali when I want to be out in the Gulf putting a spear into a tasty tuna.

:lol: i can relate to that, whatever keeps you busy I suppose.


In that case about 80% of the plots of action moves/TV series are detrimental to the masses and must be censored to protect the innocent etc.

Very true, but that wasn’t what I was talking about. Rarely does the good guy misdeeds go unpunished. I said, set a redeeming example, not censor it. This only concerning "good guy" characters. Usually, when the good guy crosses the line, to the point of no return; they end up paying for that desertion, this is always the case.

Except, for mobster type shows like the Supranos were the criminal-minded get away with it, because this is more of a real-life factor show. No, wait, the good guys turn bad usually got killed in that too. But, I'm mainly referring to shows like smallville that have more appeal to younger viewers, a hero theme, so to not show the contrast is questionable. So I state it, can't change it, but I state it nonetheless.


Oh look this old chestnut!

Isobel not Lana Lang committed that killing and seeing there was a gun in Genevieve’s hands there is a strong case that Isobel didn’t commit murder but instead it was self defense.

So again in what episode or scene did Lana Lang commit murder?

lol I didn't know it was old. :lol: But it's the nature of the death, Izzi, maybe, but why only then? For a moment, not Izzy's style. Where's the magic? And self-defense come now, it's an excusable technicality for those who didn't see it, but it was Teague on the defense. I agree to an extent, but why run around like a criminal when the evidence was there to support that? Because it was obsessive, the nature of the death, overkill, as they say. And come on, what was Lana going to say in court. "It wasn't me, it was Isabelle, she went all crazy, she was tripping!" Izzy is part of Lana's dark personality then, her driving force for power, meaning she has possibly two-sides. They are related in a way.


You can’t back up your statement that “Lana is addicted to power in all forms” which is why you have to explain it and back up it up with evidence.

Sure I can, it's psychology. Anyway, wrath pretty much shows that everything is up to interpretation, but this follows a distinct psychological and also PTS pattern. It doesn't excuse it, but it explains it.


Many people date high school athletes and in doing so it does not prove they are addicted to power. Even if such a thing was true (which it is not) why does Lana (being addicted to power) develop feelings for a nice, shy farm boy and is ready to leave the popular jock for the shy farm boy until circumstances out of her control i.e. Whitneys father’s heart attack intervene?

Hmn, interesting, but we're not talking about real people, or other characters for that matter. We're talking about Ms. Lana Lang. It's the mystery of Clark, just about all the main characters felt he was hiding something, intuition, and/or instinct. As I said, Lana had a sixth-sense, a deep connection with Clark. Nice farm boy eh, a facade. In addition, the same can be said for Lex befriending a shy, nice farm boy. Lana and Lex got together in the first place over the same connection, Clark.


As for Jason again many people date guys that have to work their way through collage but that doesn’t make them addicted to power so again in such an example you have no evidence for Lana being addicted to power.

Sure I do, all the entities that used her as vessel covet power, Izzy for the best example. It's in her blood, not to mention Lara-El making a reference to Lana's dark insecurities. These are issues that have been addressed on the show itself. It is up to the viewer/ie you to make your own assessment of the information given. It's has support. That's really the whole point to the episode "power". Lana has always wanted power, but never had the discipline of Clark to control it, and use it justifiably.


As for Clark Lana doesn’t know the nature of his secret. She doesn’t know if it is physical or physiological or part of Clark or maybe part of his family etc. For she knows it could be dark and disturbing or even a weakness rather than powerful abilities.

Where's the proof of that? Ah, speculation, theoretical assessment, with no genuine proof to support it.

But there are things like dialog/action to suggest the opposite. She knows he's different, like the phantom zone travelers that she met up with in season 5. The Kryptonite effect used on them and Clark. She knows what the power-suit is made with alien DNA that powered her up like Clark. She had Clark’s power once. She'd have to be pretty stupid to not figure it out by now, no, I wouldn't discredit her like that. But on the surface, she hasn't officially connected the dots to him being an alien, but she knows he's different then a meteor freak. He also told her as much before she faked her death using that copy (which some say she she was murdered by Lana) Again, that's up to interpretations.

If I misunderstood your post, disregard.


So one out of four doesn’t prove that Lana Lang is addicted to power and when you put in the fact that she wants to do good ie charity work, cornea transplants etc with the power she has in her marriage to Lex Luther it shows she is no megalomaniac.

Who says the pattern is just reserved for relationships? That's only part of it. :lol: There's darkness, Teague, Lex. Influence, Whitney, Lex. and there's power, Lex and Clark. It's the keen attraction to power, influence and/or darkness. You didn't disprove anything, just gave me your assessment. And charity work we all know was Janus-faced.

In other words, it was a cover to hide what was beneath the surface, to spy on Lex.
Lex and Lionel also had charities, I suppose that makes them saints. Or devils that do things on the surface to hide their dark deeds, dual identities.


I don’t know if the above is part of your evidence that Lana Lang is addicted to power or just general comments/observations.

If it is evidence my counter point is that Lana Lang directly and unambiguously stated her reasons for putting on the power suit which are logical etc she can be with the man she loves and he doesn’t have to worry about her etc.

That was part of it, not all of it, otherwise she would have not parted ways with Clark. Seems like neither wanted to give up their powers for each other. So myth debunked. Lana wanted more then just Clark, she didn't even plan on returning to smallville.


If it is a general comment I agree with you but will qualify it by saying I don’t like anyone having superpowers or being like Clark. I like my Superman as totally unique with no other Kryptons, Martian Manhunter etc. The odd meteor freak is ok as long as they only have one power and in the end lose their powers to become ordinary (but crazy) people. Which is why I never would have given Lana powers but would have killed her (& Chloe my two favorite characters) in a heroic exit in the last episode of the series.

And yes, it was a general comment, and I agree with your personal opinion on the matter. I too like Chloe, well I favor all the girls lol ;) But Lois being most, Lana second and last Chloe.


No it was not Lana Lang’s addiction to power that LEAD TO THIS since it was not Lana that went after Lex but Lex that went after Lana ie break up plan with Simone etc.

It was Lana’s being naïve, vulnerable due to Clark dumping in a fairly brutal way, being drugged and general stupidity that caused her to fall for Lex’s charms and not any addiction to power.

That I agree with to a degree, because it wasn't addiction to power that drew her to Lex, it was Clark on the surface. However the magnetism always existed between the two. Basically, the writers turned Lana into Lois of LnC new adventures in the 90's who was magnetize by Lex's dark/charisma. The general personal magnetism of Luthor's power is what kept her interested after Clark. Why Lex in the first place, one would have to ask those questions to understand.

Her need for power goes deep, the same need that drove her to kill herself to see her parents, it was to feel secure. What makes anyone feel most secure, power, whether it's physical, influential, money, weapons, ect it is to instill power. Clark is power i.e. security. Lex in influentially powerful i.e. security, Whitney and Teague.

She has always unconsciously sought out these strengths, the weapon just got keener as her life progressed, unto she became the weapon herself. She just didn't want to be a victim anymore. And that's when Lana changed, when she started to truly grow stronger and less dependent.



So what should Lana do (or what would you do) to the Luthors if they sabotage your relationship, drug and trick you into marriage, fake a miscarriage, physically and emotionally abuse you, blackmail you by threatening to kill the love of your life, hire a hitman who puts a bullet into you and there is no running to the Law since the Luthors have time and time proven they live out side the rule of law?

So what should Lana do?

Since I'm a dude x the miscarriages. But what I would do is irrelevant. Because this is not a real life scenario. And if it were, I would've never allow myself to get in that situation, I know devils when I them. As you stated previously, Lana was incredibly naive. I am not. I would never allow anyone to influence who I am and would never alter myself for vengeance.

But if someone I knew got themselves into that situation. the odds are greater on people like Lex's side, money, influence and power. Chances in real life, they would be dead, or silenced.

Though the scenario unlikely, if I ever faced anything like this, it is kill, or be killed. And I would find a way for the law to support it. Rarely would I act before thinking of the consequence.

More practical solution without recourse would be a law suit, and filing a police report is about the best legal way out if it. Illegally, or dirty methods I will not disclose. Am I capable of them, of course, everyone is. But I would try the right thing first and see how it goes. Unfavorable methods as a last and final resort.

However, this is smallville, a fictional world, where it's good verses evil, right and wrong. In the world of superman, Lana is tainted because of the route she went about it, exacting her own vengeance without trying it the legal way, because she had the means to get proof on Lex's illegal endeavors, but chose to take matter into her own hands. She should of exposed and exploited his illegal operations. Chloe was a reporter, she could’ve ran a story on it. The point is, she never sought any other option, didn't talk to her friends ect: If she had tried, then, I think most would be more forgiven and understanding.

But that's interesting question you brought up.

Smallville has to hold up that standard the morality and ethics. I think it makes the characters more human and real. She has to take responsibility, and she has to be better then the Luthors

Here's a personal note: If you think about it anyway, victims are always victimized again by judicial system and public scrutiny. It's probably the most realistic part about smallville is the fact Lana was Lex's and Lionel's victim, but because of her actions, she is seen as the monster, same with Oliver killing Lex... supposedly. Even though these people deserved to die, to exact punishment is what demigod would do. Doesn’t make you better, or worse? Would Lana have even tried to kill anyone before? It shows that Lex wins, Lex succeeded in altering her entire personality, to turning her into a would be killer. She almost consciously killed in spite.

[targis]

Lana is a torturer. even if she didn't do it with her own hands the woman at the cabin was taking orders from Lana so Lana might as well had been there doing the torture herself.

[melissan02]

Lana is a torturer. even if she didn't do it with her own hands the woman at the cabin was taking orders from Lana so Lana might as well had been there doing the torture herself.
Yep, that's a fact....because she just put me through torture during that arc of hers!:p

[zanaamen]

If Lana back and saw Lois and Clark together and Clark fall in love with lois instead of searching a cure for Lana, what did you call them?? supercheaters?

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Lana is a torturer. even if she didn't do it with her own hands the woman at the cabin was taking orders from Lana so Lana might as well had been there doing the torture herself.

I hope Lois not,

[Dominicus]

If Lana back and saw Lois and Clark together and Clark fall in love with lois instead of searching a cure for Lana, what did you call them?? supercheaters?

No offense but that post barely made sense. But if you're refering to a future return of Lana, then no. Lana did break it off for obviously reasons, it has hard break up, but that signified the end. They can't be together. If anything it makes for an interesting story.

[stenochick]

Yep, that's a fact....because she just put me through torture during that arc of hers!:p

:rotfl:

I've been tortured by Clana going on eight years now.

[MountainSniper]

Hi to you to SuzieQ,


There you are, Sandman............

Love all your responses.......

I would like to hear your rationale on the bolded part of your quote! Share your thoughts with US......you know where! ;)


Ok I guess you want to know why in my version of Smallville in the final episode I would have Lana and Chloe, my two favorite characters killed.

There are a couple reasons; first is to line up the end of Smallville with the traditional mythos of the appearance of Superman in Metropolus. To do so everyone that knows Clark’s secret has to die. Secondly Clark must choose to be Superman, I hate that destiny mantra. So it is the examples of sacrifice and heroics by everyone in Smallville from Whitney going to war to Kyle Tibbit deciding to use his meteor powers for good, his parents raising him right, to the heroic death of Chloe, Lana & Pete, to Lex choosing the dark side that propels Clark to choose to become Superman rather than a Supervillian.

Also in my version Lois Lane does not appear on the show but instead Erica plays Lucy Lane, Lois Lane’s drunk, party animal, slutty sister for chuckles and giggles. See Clark can’t meet Lois Lane until long after Smallville ends ie the day he joins the Daily Planet and falls in love with her on first sight while she falls for Superman at first sight so the whole classic mythos triangle kicks off. But I still love Erica and want her on Smallville so Lucy Lane it is for her.

I wrote this last episode synopsis on another thread so will just copy it over here.

In Mountain Sniper’s version of the final episode to be true to the spirit of Smallville; the main theme of the Clark/Lana/Lex triangle as to be finally settled so Lex Luther has to come back for the last episode.

So Lex returns from hiding with an evil plan of revenge against Clark, Clark's family, friends etc.

Lex starts his evil plan off by putting a bomb on a corporate jet with passenger Martha Kent. After after hearing the news of her death Lex announces he will seek election to Martha Kent’s vacant Senate seat.

After seven years being brain dead Lex FINALLY puts 2 + 2 together and goes after Clark with Kryptonite. Lex corners Clark in the loft and then after taunting him over the death of Martha Kent etc Lex stabs Clark with a kryptonite knife thus killing him.

Lana and Chloe hearing about Martha Kent’s death immediately go to the Kent farm to inform and comfort Clark but instead find his body in the loft.

Chloe in a classic act of supreme sacrifice uses her meteor healing power to bring Clark back to life and thus playing the plucky heroic blond sidekick to the end she dies.

Lana is emotionally devastated with guilt at the death of surrogate mother Martha Kent and surrogate sister Chloe and almost successful murder of the love of her life by her ex husband Lex Luther.

Clark is crushed by Chloe’s sacrifice and Lana does a heart breaking tearful goodbye (I will always love you) to Clark while he holds Chloe’s body in his arms. Clark in his grief doesn’t realize Lana is saying her final goodbye to him but instead thinks she is going into town to inform the authorities of Chloe’s death etc.

Lana has to leave Clark in the loft and go it alone because she knows Clark will try to stop her from doing what she should have done for all of them and the world a long time ago ie bullet in the brain in Shanghai.

Lana is sobbing as she gets into her Jeep but by the time she gets to the Luther Mansion she is in a state of crystal clear purpose driven by her guilt over the deaths of Martha and Chloe all because she didn’t blow away Lex Luther in Shanghai.

Lana takes a Korth .357 Combat Magnum (Lana’s into wheel guns not autos) out of the glove department of her Jeep. It is a five thousand dollar handgun, handmade and superbly tooled. Just to help with the poetic justice the Korth revolver was a Valentines Day present from Lex to Lana during the time they were dating. Lana got to keep it due to the divorce settlement.

Lana goes into the mansion and confronts the super villain of the story Lex Luther.

In Lex’s study/office (backdrop to so many classic scenes in Smallville) the two of them have the usual super villain vs James Bond standoff conversation. Lex gloats to Lana about killing Martha Kent and how he discovered kryptonite can kill Clark and with Clark dead now he is going to take over the world.

Lana knows that there is no way she can leave Lex alive because he knows how to kill Clark. Lana knows that when Lex finds out Chloe has saved Clark’s life he will again use Kryptonite to kill Clark for good. In order to give the world Superman Lana knows she has no choice but to kill Lex Luther.

Lana starts to make a move but this time instead of just punching Lana in the face Lex pulls his Walter P88 automatic pistol and puts a round through her left lung. Lana drops her purse and crumples to the floor.

Lex in his “I murdered Clark Kent” raving insane power trip asks Lana if she has any regrets about their relationship. Lana in her last moments thinking like the hero she is says she will always have regrets about her marriage to Lex Luther (like not killing him in Shanghai but of course that is her inner voice talking).

Lex is visibly touched and offers Lana her life if she will just come back to him. After all Lana Lang is the love of Lex’s life and who does she have now that Clark is dead?

Lana going for the “change of heart” Oscar performance asks Lex to call an ambulance and then bend over so she can kiss him and make up.

Lana tells Lex she wants to rule the world by his side as his dark queen. Lex calls the ambulance and then closes his phone and bends over to kiss the love of his life. Then Lana with a little trickle of oxygen rich lung blood running from the corner of her pouty red lips pulls her Korth .357 out of her purse that fell beside her and shoots Lex in the head.

Lana dies believing she has killed Lex Luther and thus avenged Martha and Chloe and protected Clark so he can go on to save the world as Superman.

But of course Lex having his usual bullet proof head survives but ironically Lana’s bullet has done its work in his brain and Lex has lost all his memory of Clark Kent.

Thus at the end of Smallville Pete, Jonathan & Martha, Chloe and Lana are all dead (along with Lionel but who really cares about him, after all he killed his own parents and murdered a whole bunch more people along with the standard villain crimes of blackmail, arson, torture etc).

Everyone that knows Clark’s secret is dead and Lex has lost his memory of Clark Kent due to being shot in the head by Lana.

Lex's final scene in Smallville is Lex getting out of his limousine outside of the Smallville mansion. His head is bandaged and he is walking with a cane. Clark is standing at the side entrance getting an invoice signed by one of the kitchen staff. Clark then walks over and gets into a truck that has sign “Kent Organic Produce” on the side. Lex gives Clark a puzzled look and then turns to ask his body guard flunky who is that guy in the truck? The body guard flunky says it is just the delivery guy from the farm that supplies the mansion with fresh organic produce. Lex just nods and walks into the mansion never giving Clark another thought.

Final Smallville Scene of the TV series is the gravestones of Lana, Chloe and Martha beside Jonathan in the Smallville cemetery. The camera pans up from the gravestones of Clark's love of his life, his best friend and heroic sidekick and the smalltown parents that shaped Clark into the future Superman rather than a future supervillin to finally fade into a long shot of an Arctic scene where you can see a figure in a red jacket walking across the glacier toward the Fortress of Solitude.

The End (of Smallville)

And that is the way I would do it.



The Lana bashing will still be here when you get back.


Ain’t that the truth, like death and taxes the K-site never lets go the Lana Lang/Kristin Kreuk bashing.

I feel like one of the the luckiest viewers of Smallville because I am one of the few that love all three of Smallville’s babes!

All the best.

Cheeers, Mountain Sniper

PS I go into a lot more detail regarding my version of Smallville in the following thread:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117940

[Dominicus]

Hi to you to SuzieQ,




Ok I guess you want to know why in my version of Smallville in the final episode I would have Lana and Chloe, my two favorite characters killed.

There are a couple reasons; first is to line up the end of Smallville with the traditional mythos of the appearance of Superman in Metropolus. To do so everyone that knows Clark’s secret has to die. Secondly Clark must choose to be Superman, I hate that destiny mantra. So it is the examples of sacrifice and heroics by everyone in Smallville from Whitney going to war to Kyle Tibbit deciding to use his meteor powers for good, his parents raising him right, to the heroic death of Chloe, Lana & Pete, to Lex choosing the dark side that propels Clark to choose to become Superman rather than a Supervillian.

Also in my version Lois Lane does not appear on the show but instead Erica plays Lucy Lane, Lois Lane’s drunk, party animal, slutty sister for chuckles and giggles. See Clark can’t meet Lois Lane until long after Smallville ends ie the day he joins the Daily Planet and falls in love with her on first sight while she falls for Superman at first sight so the whole classic mythos triangle kicks off. But I still love Erica and want her on Smallville so Lucy Lane it is for her.

I wrote this last episode synopsis on another thread so will just copy it over here.

In Mountain Sniper’s version of the final episode to be true to the spirit of Smallville; the main theme of the Clark/Lana/Lex triangle as to be finally settled so Lex Luther has to come back for the last episode.

So Lex returns from hiding with an evil plan of revenge against Clark, Clark's family, friends etc.

Lex starts his evil plan off by putting a bomb on a corporate jet with passenger Martha Kent. After after hearing the news of her death Lex announces he will seek election to Martha Kent’s vacant Senate seat.

After seven years being brain dead Lex FINALLY puts 2 + 2 together and goes after Clark with Kryptonite. Lex corners Clark in the loft and then after taunting him over the death of Martha Kent etc Lex stabs Clark with a kryptonite knife thus killing him.

Lana and Chloe hearing about Martha Kent’s death immediately go to the Kent farm to inform and comfort Clark but instead find his body in the loft.

Chloe in a classic act of supreme sacrifice uses her meteor healing power to bring Clark back to life and thus playing the plucky heroic blond sidekick to the end she dies.

Lana is emotionally devastated with guilt at the death of surrogate mother Martha Kent and surrogate sister Chloe and almost successful murder of the love of her life by her ex husband Lex Luther.

Clark is crushed by Chloe’s sacrifice and Lana does a heart breaking tearful goodbye (I will always love you) to Clark while he holds Chloe’s body in his arms. Clark in his grief doesn’t realize Lana is saying her final goodbye to him but instead thinks she is going into town to inform the authorities of Chloe’s death etc.

Lana has to leave Clark in the loft and go it alone because she knows Clark will try to stop her from doing what she should have done for all of them and the world a long time ago ie bullet in the brain in Shanghai.

Lana is sobbing as she gets into her Jeep but by the time she gets to the Luther Mansion she is in a state of crystal clear purpose driven by her guilt over the deaths of Martha and Chloe all because she didn’t blow away Lex Luther in Shanghai.

Lana takes a Korth .357 Combat Magnum (Lana’s into wheel guns not autos) out of the glove department of her Jeep. It is a five thousand dollar handgun, handmade and superbly tooled. Just to help with the poetic justice the Korth revolver was a Valentines Day present from Lex to Lana during the time they were dating. Lana got to keep it due to the divorce settlement.

Lana goes into the mansion and confronts the super villain of the story Lex Luther.

In Lex’s study/office (backdrop to so many classic scenes in Smallville) the two of them have the usual super villain vs James Bond standoff conversation. Lex gloats to Lana about killing Martha Kent and how he discovered kryptonite can kill Clark and with Clark dead now he is going to take over the world.

Lana knows that there is no way she can leave Lex alive because he knows how to kill Clark. Lana knows that when Lex finds out Chloe has saved Clark’s life he will again use Kryptonite to kill Clark for good. In order to give the world Superman Lana knows she has no choice but to kill Lex Luther.

Lana starts to make a move but this time instead of just punching Lana in the face Lex pulls his Walter P88 automatic pistol and puts a round through her left lung. Lana drops her purse and crumples to the floor.

Lex in his “I murdered Clark Kent” raving insane power trip asks Lana if she has any regrets about their relationship. Lana in her last moments thinking like the hero she is says she will always have regrets about her marriage to Lex Luther (like not killing him in Shanghai but of course that is her inner voice talking).

Lex is visibly touched and offers Lana her life if she will just come back to him. After all Lana Lang is the love of Lex’s life and who does she have now that Clark is dead?

Lana going for the “change of heart” Oscar performance asks Lex to call an ambulance and then bend over so she can kiss him and make up.

Lana tells Lex she wants to rule the world by his side as his dark queen. Lex calls the ambulance and then closes his phone and bends over to kiss the love of his life. Then Lana with a little trickle of oxygen rich lung blood running from the corner of her pouty red lips pulls her Korth .357 out of her purse that fell beside her and shoots Lex in the head.

Lana dies believing she has killed Lex Luther and thus avenged Martha and Chloe and protected Clark so he can go on to save the world as Superman.

But of course Lex having his usual bullet proof head survives but ironically Lana’s bullet has done its work in his brain and Lex has lost all his memory of Clark Kent.

Thus at the end of Smallville Pete, Jonathan & Martha, Chloe and Lana are all dead (along with Lionel but who really cares about him, after all he killed his own parents and murdered a whole bunch more people along with the standard villain crimes of blackmail, arson, torture etc).

Everyone that knows Clark’s secret is dead and Lex has lost his memory of Clark Kent due to being shot in the head by Lana.

Lex's final scene in Smallville is Lex getting out of his limousine outside of the Smallville mansion. His head is bandaged and he is walking with a cane. Clark is standing at the side entrance getting an invoice signed by one of the kitchen staff. Clark then walks over and gets into a truck that has sign “Kent Organic Produce” on the side. Lex gives Clark a puzzled look and then turns to ask his body guard flunky who is that guy in the truck? The body guard flunky says it is just the delivery guy from the farm that supplies the mansion with fresh organic produce. Lex just nods and walks into the mansion never giving Clark another thought.

Final Smallville Scene of the TV series is the gravestones of Lana, Chloe and Martha beside Jonathan in the Smallville cemetery. The camera pans up from the gravestones of Clark's love of his life, his best friend and heroic sidekick and the smalltown parents that shaped Clark into the future Superman rather than a future supervillin to finally fade into a long shot of an Arctic scene where you can see a figure in a red jacket walking across the glacier toward the Fortress of Solitude.

The End (of Smallville)

And that is the way I would do it.
Very good, but how would you do it now? How you factor in all the recent changes, because you can't take out what's already been estabished. For example, ED is already Lois? Other then that, excellent version!

[zanaamen]

No offense but that post barely made sense. But if you're refering to a future return of Lana, then no. Lana did break it off for obviously reasons, it has hard break up, but that signified the end. They can't be together. If anything it makes for an interesting story.

yah, didnt make scene to you, They didn't break up by choice they forced to and they were broken up by a technicality. you have to know that their relationship is not over, Shes still alive! that made scene or not? and the only reason clark will be with Lois is because he Can't have lana and lana is not around :) we saw that before, when Lana came back Lois was gone

[tbird4u]

Theres only one thing wrong with your scenario, now that clark and lana are forced to be apart, clark can actually open his eyes to lois... he was just blinded by lana, and when he does you dont have to worry about the only reason... cause clark will love lois MORE than anyone. Weather that happens in smallville is remain to be seen, regardless in mythos it does happen!

[Dominicus]

yah, didnt make scene to you, They didn't break up by choice they forced to and they were broken up by a technicality. you have to know that their relationship is not over, Shes still alive! that made scene or not? and the only reason clark will be with Lois is because he Can't have lana and lana is not around :) we saw that before, when Lana came back Lois was gone

Right, I said for obvious reasons. However, they were not forced apart, that was a decision Lana made. they were thrown an obstacle and simply refuse to explore together a possible cure. Which there are several.

And correction, Lois stepped aside, of her volition, each and everytime since season 4. She has taken herself out of the equation.;)

There is no only reason with Lois, because it's already been shown, and established that he does have feelings for her, it's a lot deeper then that. I will say, because of the break up, he is free to explore the possibility. I don't discount either relationship, he does love Lana, but has yet faced, rather recognize a new love like Lois. Because he has already sold himself on the idea of Lana, blinding him from future prospects. So, I will like to see how the future episodes pan out.:D

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Theres only one thing wrong with your scenario, now that clark and lana are forced to be apart, clark can actually open his eyes to lois... he was just blinded by lana, and when he does you dont have to worry about the only reason... cause clark will love lois MORE than anyone. Weather that happens in smallville is remain to be seen, regardless in mythos it does happen! Agreed 100%:D

[Mickey_Bickey]

Yep, that's a fact....because she just put me through torture during that arc of hers!:p


Not to mention Clark Kent!! The torture was seeing his character look so bad in these episodes and for what? So KK and PS3 could write the story that Lana Lang is the "end all be all"? I wish TW had the input instead of KK, then maybe these episodes would have made sense and not sacraficed the main character.

Oh well! What can you do? What doesn't kill us makes us stronger!:lol:

[skugers]

:rotfl:

I've been tortured by Clana going on eight years now.
Hell yeah!:rotfl:

[zanaamen]

Theres only one thing wrong with your scenario, now that clark and lana are forced to be apart, clark can actually open his eyes to lois... he was just blinded by lana, and when he does you dont have to worry about the only reason... cause clark will love lois MORE than anyone. Weather that happens in smallville is remain to be seen, regardless in mythos it does happen!

yeh, you’r right love is blinded also his love for Lois If that happen
and if you remember in season for when Clark lost his memory even lois was around he went to lana
even he didnt remember her

[mr lane]

Right, I said for obvious reasons. However, they were not forced apart, that was a decision Lana made. they were thrown obstacle and simply refuse to explore together a possible cure. Which there are several.

And correction, Lois stepped aside, of her volition, each and everytime since season 4. She has taken herself out of the equation.;)

There is no only reason with Lois, because it's already been shown, and established that he does have feelings for her, it's a lot deeper then that. I will say, because of the break up, he is free to explore the possibility. I don't discount either relationship, he does love Lana, but has yet faced, rather recognize a new love like Lois. Because he has already sold himself on the idea of Lana, blinding him from future prospects. So, I will like to see how the future episodes pan out.:D

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Agreed 100%:D


agreed

i like you're way of thinking :cool:

[netlynn]

... cause clark will love lois MORE than anyone. Weather that happens in smallville is remain to be seen, regardless in mythos it does happen!

I don't see it ever happening on Smallville, the latest storyline pretty much sealed that destiny up. If Clark is ever pushed to 'get over' Lana and have this great love story with Lois as we all know from the comics, it will be something I could never buy. Especially not on Smallville because they've made Lois to always be Clark's 2nd choice. He would choose to be with Lana if there were a way. He didn't choose to not be with her, that choice was taken away from them both and will always be something they can never really move past, imo.

[Tinyeppy]

I don't see it ever happening on Smallville, the latest storyline pretty much sealed that destiny up. If Clark is ever pushed to 'get over' Lana and have this great love story with Lois as we all know from the comics, it will be something I could never buy. Especially not on Smallville because they've made Lois to always be Clark's 2nd choice. He would choose to be with Lana if there were a way. He didn't choose to not be with her, that choice was taken away from them both and will always be something they can never really move past, imo.

I'll say something the writers have 2 paths with Smallville.

1) If Lana is made to be more important than Lois and Lois as 2nd best then they have rewritten the myth and SV will be a Alternate Universe and Superman can't be the same Superman we all love b/c he's simply not the same man & therefore not the same hero. His character is very different and not something Superman fans like very much. I can accept that with the fact that the writers realize they got the story all wrong & DC comic admitting it was just story on a different path that CK goes on with him being in love with the WRONG women. Doesn’t change the fact that Lana is a power hungry crazy girl who has a lot of learning to do and Clark has difference morals & not the same "man of steel" we all look up too. He's to immature & unstable when it comes to Lana and the caring for the people of earth.

2) TPTB can fix this mess with something I mention on other thread. Tying the only portion of the Naman prophecy to Lois Lane. Remember S2 “Skin walkers” Naman is suppose to fine his “soulmate” the women his destined to be with on earth bearing the symbol (the bracelet Kala was wearing and the symbol carved on the cave walls for thousands of years). <O:p></O:p>
TPTB have used every part of this prophecy with Lex Luthor but have completely ignored the other half of it. What about all the constant foreshadowing of “soulmate” with Lois. Clark has been searching for her ever since this episode thinking it’s Lana. There’s been concrete to tie Lana with this prophecy. She wore another symbol on her back and wore a Kryptonite necklace. She’s not the soulmate. She’s not the one.CK eyes can & will open with this topic and hopefully during his agreement to start Kryptonian training. Once CK accept's that Lana was a childish infatuation & Lois just can't compare. He can't & will be unable to even turn back.

Clana in the pass it wasn't great or the best and certainly not destined too much drama I did love you at the time but now I realized it wasn't what I wanted or thought it will be. I have what I'm looking for in Lois Lane.

BYE LANA, SO LONG, DON'T COME BACK.

[zanaamen]

as Clana fan I’ll say what we have is beautiful

[Mickey_Bickey]

I don't see it ever happening on Smallville, the latest storyline pretty much sealed that destiny up. If Clark is ever pushed to 'get over' Lana and have this great love story with Lois as we all know from the comics, it will be something I could never buy. Especially not on Smallville because they've made Lois to always be Clark's 2nd choice. He would choose to be with Lana if there were a way. He didn't choose to not be with her, that choice was taken away from them both and will always be something they can never really move past, imo.

Well considering Clark how hard Clark has fallen for Lois in Hex or that lust and emotions are flying after an almost kiss I'd say that it won't take Clark long to move on!;):lol:

The latest storyline confirmed once again even in SV that Clark and Lana don't end up together. It was never meant to be because there is a greater love out there for Superman, and that's the one with Lois Lane!:D

It's like Timester said earlier :Soulmates are bound to be together, not separated from each other.

[Dominicus]

as Clana fan I’ll say what we have is beautiful Correction my friend, it should be; What We Had Was Beautiful (past-tense zinger!) :rotfl::lol:Sorry, but you walked right into that one, just couldn't resist.:D

[netlynn]

Well considering Clark how hard Clark has fallen for Lois in Hex or that lust and emotions are flying after an almost kiss I'd say that it won't take Clark long to move on!;):lol:

Too bad it involves magic and switching of bodies to accomplish this. :rolleyes:

[Bizarrolover]

Right, I said for obvious reasons. However, they were not forced apart, that was a decision Lana made. they were thrown an obstacle and simply refuse to explore together a possible cure. Which there are several.

And correction, Lois stepped aside, of her volition, each and everytime since season 4. She has taken herself out of the equation.;)

There is no only reason with Lois, because it's already been shown, and established that he does have feelings for her, it's a lot deeper then that. I will say, because of the break up, he is free to explore the possibility. I don't discount either relationship, he does love Lana, but has yet faced, rather recognize a new love like Lois. Because he has already sold himself on the idea of Lana, blinding him from future prospects. So, I will like to see how the future episodes pan out.:D

Good post! You are right. Lana left for the upteenth time and this time Clark understood that she doesn't want to be with him. It was her choice and she refused to explore the possibility of staying and work things out. He was willing to try and make the effort and she wasn't. He'll learn to live with that reality and he'll finally move on.

I think Clark will outgrow Lana sooner or later, and when he's ready to face a new, healthy relationship with someone he can actually be happy with, then he'll fall for Lois. Right now, it's not the case. He'll mourn the loss of a relationship that never really worked until he realizes that love is not about angst and pain. Only then he'll see that Lois is the one. I'm not sure this will happen in Smallville, but in the meantime, Lois and Clark will give us at least some interesting TV..

[vyperman7]

In the first half of the season, Clark was finally moving towards his destiny. The Red Blue blur was created to show Clark caring about the world and wanting to help on a grander scale. He was finally starting to resemble the hero we all know and love. Then it was all undone in 3 episodes. Lana fans and hardcore Clana shippers may be happy with how it was handled, but if they ever watched the show for Clark or the overall Superman story, I don't see how they can be happy about what the arc did to Clark. The fact is that even though Lana was given a heroic send off and made to look good in the end, she is gone from the show now. However, the damage to Clark's character is still left behind for the rest of the show's duration.

The problem with Lana's exit, is that even though it makes her look more heroic, it was done at the expense of the show's main character. Lana comes off looking like a female version of Superman, while Clark is regressed back to a 14 year old who ends up on his knees beggining in the end and living in the past. Clark did not get to keep any dignity. He comes of looking terrible because he was willing to abadon his principles to kill Lex, and he even risked his own life to make out with Lana one last time. Superman puts the interests of the world and the people in it above all else. How can this Clark Kent ever become Superman, when Lana is able to tear him away from it so easily? Lana's return should have been used to make Clark look good overall, and all it did was offer us a heroic looking Lana Lang and a Clark Kent who comes off looking like he shouldn't be Superman.

In my opinion, Lana's return should have accomplished the following things :

- Clana is given closure by keeping things platonic and making Clark realize his feelings for Lois. This is what the first half of the season set up. With only five episodes to work with, it makes no sense to bring Clana back romantically only to end it so soon after it started. It also completely conflicts with the season's first half and really messes up future episodes that are Clois heavy. There is no way that Clark could move on that fast believeably.

- Lana's character is given closure by revealing why she left and she reveals her training that she received to make her more powerful and capable on a human level. No super powers.

- Lana helps Clark to finally accept his destiny as a whole being a positive force that re-empahizes the importance of what he has been doing.

[Kevin24]

^I did not see Clark regress during the arc with Lana. He was still out there patrolling the streets and we know this because Lana asks to go with him on his patrols. He also learned that it isn't all over nothing but it's all about balance.

He stopped Brainiac and taught the legion that killing is wrong. He also saved a man from losing his way and lead him back on the right path. He proved to Oliver that to truly save someone you have to set them on the right path.

He gave up his love to save all those people in the Daily Planet and he did it without hesitation.

He had moments of weakness during Legion and Requiem but Lana was there to remind him of who he is and he came to his senses.

He showed compassion over the death of Lex Luthor, even though they were enemies.

So, I did not see him regress at all during this arc.

[BadToad]

Well said Ryan. You'd think Clark would be a bigger priority then Lana. A bigger priority then any other character. If not to the fans, at least to the writers and showrunners. Its so depressing as a Clark fan to know that isn't the case. Not here, and not in the SV writers room either.

[Fallen One]

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[myankskent]

In the first half of the season, Clark was finally moving towards his destiny. The Red Blue blur was created to show Clark caring about the world and wanting to help on a grander scale. He was finally starting to resemble the hero we all know and love. Then it was all undone in 3 episodes.


Well, I don't know if Clark being a hero was undone. I mean, he doesn't come off looking well by trying to kill Lex and accepting everything that Lana had done, but he is still out there trying to help people. Even in "Requiem", a garbage episode, he was out patrolling the streets. I've come down really hard on Clark these days and I am at the very least going to give him credit for doing that. The problem for me is that this latest arc has caused me to not take Clark's romantic life seriously anymore. If TPTB cannot show that he has chosen to move on from Lana, I really don't care who he dates in the future, whether that means this season or next season(hopefully there won't be a season 9).

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He had moments of weakness during Legion and Requiem but Lana was there to remind him of who he is and he came to his senses.


This is what was unnecessary for me. I don't think that Clark should need anyone to remind him who he is or not to kill. From this standpoint, Clark did regress and Lana was made out to be a hero.

[vyperman7]

^I did not see Clark regress during the arc with Lana. He was still out there patrolling the streets and we know this because Lana asks to go with him on his patrols. He also learned that it isn't all over nothing but it's all about balance.

He stopped Brainiac and taught the legion that killing is wrong. He also saved a man from losing his way and lead him back on the right path. He proved to Oliver that to truly save someone you have to set them on the right path.

He gave up his love to save all those people in the Daily Planet and he did it without hesitation.

He had moments of weakness during Legion and Requiem but Lana was there to remind him of who he is and he came to his senses.

He showed compassion over the death of Lex Luthor, even though they were enemies.

So, I did not see him regress at all during this arc.

Well even though Lex tells Clark and Lana that the Kryptonite would keep them apart, Clark still didn't have a fim grasp on the consequences. For me, it came off being more about Clark's survival then sacrifice. He can't diffuse the bomb and Lana can.

You act like Lana having to remind Clark is a good thing. After this many years and everything Clark has been through, he shouldn't need Lana or anyone else as a crutch. It has always bothered me how everyone else from Lana and Chloe to Oliver have to repeatedly tell Clark how to be a hero. Based on who Clark is, and how he was raised, he shouldn't need others to remind him of how he should already be. The suit doesn't make Superman. The man inside of it does. That is why I get shocked when so many people act pissed off when people express doubt about this version of Clark becoming Superman. He needs others to tell him how to be a hero, and cares more about his relationship with Lana then he does his own destiny. If the writers had ended romantic Clana in S3 like they were supposed to, they could have taken the show on such a different route. Can you imagine a 5th and 6th season that was free of Clana/Lexana/Clexana that focused solely on Clark and Lex's development?

I guess it depends on how you view the show. But for me, all I saw was regression. In the span of three episodes, Clark went back to his old ways of not being able to see past his relationship with Lana for the bigger picture. With lines like "What if the world didn't have to come first" it reaks of regression to me.

[jjsmallvillelvr]

nice boat picture lol. ^^^

[Dominicus]

In the first half of the season, Clark was finally moving towards his destiny. The Red Blue blur was created to show Clark caring about the world and wanting to help on a grander scale. He was finally starting to resemble the hero we all know and love. Then it was all undone in 3 episodes. Lana fans and hardcore Clana shippers may be happy with how it was handled, but if they ever watched the show for Clark or the overall Superman story, I don't see how they can be happy about what the arc did to Clark. The fact is that even though Lana was given a heroic send off and made to look good in the end, she is gone from the show now. However, the damage to Clark's character is still left behind for the rest of the show's duration. I agree 100% with that post! But here's how I think it can be corrected. Because Clark did look pretty pathetic.

Speaking of the blue/red blur, you noticed how Clark before avoided public scrutiny, wanting to keep his powers incognito. However, after seeing the public reaction in identity, he had a change of heart. Before, he saw too blinded by his stifling philosophy of a farm-boy, refusing to be the man of steel, and never saw the possibility. Until it was forced upon him. I think it will be somewhat the same recognition he will have in Lois. Something he had all along but was to blinded by previous convictions to see it.

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^I did not see Clark regress during the arc with Lana. He was still out there patrolling the streets and we know this because Lana asks to go with him on his patrols. He also learned that it isn't all over nothing but it's all about balance.

He stopped Brainiac and taught the legion that killing is wrong. He also saved a man from losing his way and lead him back on the right path. He proved to Oliver that to truly save someone you have to set them on the right path.

He gave up his love to save all those people in the Daily Planet and he did it without hesitation.

He had moments of weakness during Legion and Requiem but Lana was there to remind him of who he is and he came to his senses.

He showed compassion over the death of Lex Luthor, even though they were enemies.

So, I did not see him regress at all during this arc.Good post, but the fact that someone had to remind him of his own ethics shows regression. I seen him struggle with himself and tried desperately to hold onto that past. He's being forced to grow up, to find out if he truly regressed we have to see how he handles himself in the next episodes. But, he did regress in Requiem, and completely contradicted himself for personal indignation. But was it a temporary backset? That's the question.

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http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3716/failboat1ac7.jpg Pure genius!:p:lol:

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I think Clark will outgrow Lana sooner or later, and when he's ready to face a new, healthy relationship with someone he can actually be happy with, then he'll fall for Lois. Right now, it's not the case. He'll mourn the loss of a relationship that never really worked until he realizes that love is not about angst and pain. Only then he'll see that Lois is the one. I'm not sure this will happen in Smallville, but in the meantime, Lois and Clark will give us at least some interesting TV..Absolutely! I'm sure this is just a setback, to make for a good future story. At least I want that to be the case.:)

[Clana4Life]

Wow, I've been gone for a little while but I see that the Clana hate is still alive and strong. I think my last post was on page 10, so umm, I'm not sure where the discussion is at this point. Clark loves Lana and won't be able to move on easily with someone else. And if he should move on, what if Lana is cured? Then what? It puts a big "What IF" over the head of the next relationship - that is if new technology is designed to fix Lana's suit. Lana's got millions. Maybe she can hire scientists to work on this while she continues to save the world. Have we answered the "What If" question yet. Sorry, don't want to ask people to re-answer, I just wasn't sure.

[jjsmallvillelvr]

lol theres been alot of wat ifs Clana4life i think my fav is what if she uses blue kryptonite to reverse the effects or wat if clark wears the blue k ring to be human if not always at least while he gets some lol. no one knows what will happen and everyone needs to chill lol. the clana hate is definately evident in the air here lol! :) i like clana tho...so just spread the clana love...:D

[Clana4Life]

lol theres been alot of wat ifs Clana4life i think my fav is what if she uses blue kryptonite to reverse the effects or wat if clark wears the blue k ring to be human if not always at least while he gets some lol. no one knows what will happen and everyone needs to chill lol. the clana hate is definately evident in the air here lol! :) i like clana tho...so just spread the clana love...:D

I know. I'm just hoping they do Clana justice. It will be in poor taste, indeed, if they have Clark and Lois flirting and getting together by next episode. There are a lot of Clana fans - I mean tons, (did you hear about the cakes and irises (1,000) they sent to the studio), and I'm sure that the writers will get several thousand letters if they act like the past five episodes never happened.

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

I think any Clana fan should go to my Clana Relationship Thread. It is pretty quiet right now. But, I know all the Clanaer's are out there, somewhere!

[jjsmallvillelvr]

I know. I'm just hoping they do Clana justice. It will be in poor taste, indeed, if they have Clark and Lois flirting and getting together by next episode. There are a lot of Clana fans - I mean tons, (did you hear about the cakes and irises (1,000) they sent to the studio), and I'm sure that the writers will get several thousand letters if they act like the past five episodes never happened.
yea Clana4Life i heard about that. very interesting. Clana is awesome. we as Clanians needed some closure. Now the Cloisers will get what they want. I don't see why everyone has to hate on Clana's final moments together so much. and i do hope that kk comes back for the finale and im not ashamed to say it! lol! :D and RedKryptoniteistheBest, i'm pretty sure that I've frequented that thread of your haven't I? :P LOL!

[MountainSniper]

Hi Dominicus,


Very good, but how would you do it now? How you factor in all the recent changes, because you can't take out what's already been estabished. For example, ED is already Lois? Other then that, excellent version!

I wouldn’t change Smallville simply because there is no freaking way in a billion years to set the traditional mythos of Clark Kent being in love with Lois Lane while she is in love with Superman and treats his unrequited love like crap.

You had a chance of pulling that off if you killed Lana Lang and then after 10 years in the fortress training Clark returns to live among the humans and first day on the job meets Lois Lane and falls in love with her.

However in the Smallville universe you don’t have a freaking chance of doing anything to the Clana ship. That sucker is bullet proof and there is no way around it. Even on the K-site which is a mecca for Lana Lang bashers you have hardcore Lana bashers finally facing the reality and running up the white flag over their dreams of Clois.

The above photograph of the ship sinking is ironic because that ship is not Clana but Clois.

The only option open to you is to go watch your Lois and Clark DVDs because in Smallville it is never going to be believable.

I really have to wonder if “Clana forever” was the goal of the “powers that be” when Smallville was first conceived or after putting Tom Welling and Kristin Kruek together on the screen they just went WOW and did a 180 on their original plan.

Anyway if they didn’t introduce Lois at all and killed Lana then you would have a chance of lining up Smallville to the original mythos but now that ship has sailed.

Who ever heard of Lois Lane having feelings for an indifferent Clark Kent who is in love with someone else?

Lois Lane is supposed to love Superman and look at Clark Kent in his horn rimed glasses all puppy dog eyes over her like something she found on the bottom of her shoe. That triangle was the basis for Superman for decades and even now it is as funny as it was the first day.

The idea of the brilliant reporter being unable to recognize that the mild mannered nerd in front of her face hiding behind a set of horn rimed glasses is the super hero she is in love with is hilarious.

Also the fact that the hayseed she has no respect for keeps scooping her on the Superman stories over and over just adds spice to the whole mix.

Well how do you get to that when on Smallville Clark is in different to Lois, Lois has romantic feelings for Clark and Lana Lang the star crossed love of Clark’s life that sacrificed everything for others is still alive out in the world saving people?

You are just as cornered as “Lois and Clark” TV show was when Lois found out Clark was Superman and the show lost all it’s zip and died. I remember they even did a segment episodes where Lois has amnesia and forgets that Clark is Superman to try to save that sucker but to no avail it still died.

Lois just looks like a poor second choice and that is all the “powers that be” wrote on the Smallville version of the Superman story.

I haven’t forgotten but will counter point your earlier response post sometime today but right now it is time to sharpen my spear heads and go hunting.

Fish fear me!

Cheers Mountain Sniper

[jjsmallvillelvr]

you spear hunt fish? :S thats different...but kinda cool...or am i retarded and u were joking? ^^^

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p.s. go to this thread and help make clana a soundtrack if your a clana fan! http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120422

[MountainSniper]

you spear hunt fish? :S thats different...but kinda cool...or am i retarded and u were joking? ^^^

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p.s. go to this thread and help make clana a soundtrack if your a clana fan! http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120422

Hi jj,

Spear fishing is never a joke! Its my passion but only blue water no reef stuff.

But no Spear fishing for today. The wind picked up over night off the Empty Quarter and there is tons of sand flying around so it is going to be a quiet day in doors in Abu Dhabi.

cheers, Mountain Sniper

[jjsmallvillelvr]

hmm interesting, i cant even catch fish with a pole i would love to see someone actually spear one! Lol. thats so cool! srry the wind picked up that blows! lol get it the wind blows. lol. its late here. i may not be thinking straight! :)

[Dominicus]

The idea of the brilliant reporter being unable to recognize that the mild mannered nerd in front of her face hiding behind a set of horn rimed glasses is the super hero she is in love with is hilarious.
:lol:
I remember them joking about that in Tempus Fugitive on LnC being galactically stupid, for not being able to figure superman was actually Clark, later they said she was blind. Classic naivete. Like everyone else at the Daily planet who worked with Clark Kent.

But, in truth, back to the comic origins, since the early 1940's Lois suspected Clark of being superman, and she attempted to catch him in the act to prove it, but time and time again superman beat her to the punch. At one point, she did chase after Clark, similar to what she is doing now. Another early arc. She did ogle superman, but got over the fantasy and married Clark, later he told her he was superman that's been true throughout.


Also the fact that the hayseed she has no respect for keeps scooping her on the Superman stories over and over just adds spice to the whole mix.

Agreed.


Well how do you get to that when on Smallville Clark is in different to Lois, Lois has romantic feelings for Clark and Lana Lang the star crossed love of Clark’s life that sacrificed everything for others is still alive out in the world saving people?

Because they've established a connection, you can say a beginning that really picked up end of season 7, and most of 8, but has been hinted since Lois's arrival, and subtle hint before that, but you'd have to be a comicon to spot it. It just how will they go about it after Requiem, it does have some challenges. But, I think they need to start with Clark rather then Lois. I would prefer a ninth-season to actually pace the time thoughtfully, and believably. I don't think anything should happen until he is officially the man of steel, his Kal-El personality will kick in at that point, probably the side that truly loves Lois, while his other side is emotionally conflicted. We shall see.


You are just as cornered as “Lois and Clark” TV show was when Lois found out Clark was Superman and the show lost all it’s zip and died. I remember they even did a segment episodes where Lois has amnesia and forgets that Clark is Superman to try to save that sucker but to no avail it still died.

That's not entirely true. Because the storyline changed dramatically and just got stupid in some cases, Teri Hatcher cut her hair, which effected fans, killed off Lex. The romance was the only thing keeping the show alive to be honest. Then the X-files was a monster hit, attracting LnC's viewers, including me :Dfrom time to time. But, the show was still doing fairly well, ratings wise, even though ratings did drop, but not enough to not go for a 5th season, which they did have plans for, even announced it.

However, new ABC direction cancelled it prematurely, which is why LnC had an odd ending. Because they had a kryptonian arc planned for the 5th season, similar to the comic book plot, whereas the adopt the boy as a son.

It's not uncommon for these types of premature cancellations even with sufficient ratings, same thing happened with the Incredible Hulk who also had plans for an additional season, but was cancelled after mid 5th season, which was a shame because they had some pretty decent experimental storylines for that season. Business and politics, what can I say.


Lois just looks like a poor second choice and that is all the “powers that be” wrote on the Smallville version of the Superman story.

Depends on how it is written really, and if KK will return, which she said she was open to do, pending Welling's decision. I can write around this latest arc, question is. can the writers in charge do it justice? If people respect them so much for Clana, why doesn't anyone have faith they make anything else believable? Originally, most of know that Lana's comic book persona was ordinary and Clark only saw as a good friend, a sister he is quoted as saying, like Chloe. She was jealous, and repeatedly tried to interfere Superman's relationship to Lois.

Yet, in smallville they made a true romance out of it, albeit a continuous temporary situation, but what's to say they can't pull it off again? I mean there is plenty of room for this starting from season 4. And because it worked with Alicia, who reminded me of that crappy Matrix/Linda Danvers alteration.

And for Lana, it worked with Lex... for some, I was pretty disgusted by it, but at the same time, I thought it was an interesting plot And Teague, I never believed in the Whitney relationship and knew he was a stepping stone.

I don't know, just never the type to give into negative hype, submitting to another's view. Especially, when I can see possible potential ways to make it work and believable. It's smallville, barely anything makes sense, or is consistent. I'll know more in the next episode infamous, I think we all will and judge fro that.


I haven’t forgotten but will counter point your earlier response post sometime today but right now it is time to sharpen my spear heads and go hunting.

Fish fear me!

Cheers Mountain Sniper The fish are frozen solid here. You're lucky!

Fish fear me :lol: you sound like my uncle! Happy hunting!

[MountainSniper]

Hi Dominicus,

You got up pretty early today.



It had nothing to do with that statement, it was another previous statement with Lana suspecting/speculating, forget it, I berely remember what it is now. it wasn't a big deal. e.

Don’t give up so easy; I love fight club so if you have something to nail me on; post it.



Clark as Kal-El. And her mistrust of Lex was evident at that point when she wasn’t forthcoming, withheld information from him, and started eavesdropping. She also started to lie to Lex (before) they were married. She was not that naive or stupid. It's the extent to what Lex would go to she didn't know..

What does this have to do with Clark/Chloe warning Lana about getting romantically involved and marrying Lex?

It what episode and scene did Clark as Kal-el warn Lana about Lex?



Lana had doubts herself. I recall her not wanting to marry Lex, until Lionel intervened holding Clark's weakness over her head as leverage. She also wanted to stay by Lex's side for a reason. I give a hint, it was not for love. But you know this, so there's no reason to deny, or put a blindfold over what is common knowledge.

Again you are not addressing the point.

It is clear that Clark/Chloe could have told Lana about Lex and stopped the relationship long before marriage day.

Also you conveniently forget that Lana on her wedding day found out on her own (wine cellar) that first; Clark still loves her and second; he has super powers. She decided not to marry Lex not because she found out he is a psychotic monster but because she loves Clark more.

It is funny how that always slips the mind of so many Lana Lang bashers.



Clark and Chloe had no proof on Lexm just strong intuition, rumors and belief. If they did, they would’ve exposed him to the public, and turned Lex into the authorities. That is why all they can say is: "you don’t know Lex like I do", yet not formulate a detailed explanation as to why. Clark can only say that Lex was spying on him, for the same reason Lana knew he was hiding something. Because he was, and Lex had a legitimate interest in that mystery, as did Lana.


Give me a freaking break. Clark and Chloe have everything they need to prove to Lana that Lex is a monster.

You really need to go back and watch the season 6 episodes and pay attention to the timeline.

At the end of Static when Jimmy, Chloe and Lana are checking out of the now deserted 33.1 Lana counters Chloe by saying she can’t prove anything was here etc but by Justice, five episodes before the wedding day “Promise” Clark and Chloe have everything they need to prove to Lana that Lex is a monster.

They have Arthur Curry, Victor Stone and Bart Allan as witnesses/survivors that can directly testify to being tortured/worked over/ran to death etc by Lex Luther in his labs.

Chloe as watch tower on her own has tons of evidence, video etc on her computer on Lex’s 33.1 facilities and access to lots more from Oliver Queen .

Lana has even personally met Arthur Curry and Victor Stone before but Clark and Chloe instead of presenting Lana with the witnesses and a ton of evidence decide to give up, hope for the best, decide to be the bridesmaid etc?

A huge screw up and the only reason I can think for it was the both of them decided instead of doing the obvious and save Lana it would be more dramatic to let Lana be tricked into marriage, drugged, abused so finally Lana all by her lonesome figures out an escape route from that hell hold by faking her death.

Clark might be a big dumb alien but Chloe in this debacle was a small dumb human.




Wrong. She was forced to marry him. We both know this to be true. And where's your proof of that, because that statement alone is a belief of what you think she would do. That is not a fact. You should stick to your own rhetoric.

No, you are wrong and you don’t have a counter point.

Lana was not going to marry Lex not because she knew he was a monster but because she found out in the wine cellar that Clark still loved her and his secret (the super powers).

At the time of the wedding Lana still believed Lex was a good man but simply didn’t love him as much as she loved Clark and marrying him wouldn’t be fair to Lex yada yada yada.

The irony for Lex is if he hadn’t faked the baby and miscarriage etc Lana would have most likely accepted her fate since she did love him so there is a good chance she would have settled for second place ie marriage to Lex. For sure if Lex got her preggers for real.

He really shouldn’t have pulled out and done the money shot in front for the fireplace at the end of Wither.



That's not a difference, that an extension of how far they will go to get what they want indiscriminately. That's part of the Luthor's ruthlessness. But there were several dirty methods used Lana incorporated, tather inherited through the marriage. Stealing, kidnaping, spying, deceit, falsehoods ect, the only difference was that she was used their own methods against them.

It is a huge difference and it’s recognized in law as the difference between murder and self defense.

In the military it is the difference between shooting the paramilitary group that is ethnic cleansing a village in the Balkans and being part of the paramilitary group doing the ethnic cleansing.

The Luthors have and will kill torture etc anyone while Lana Lang has only gone after the Luthors and only after they drugged, blackmailed, tried to murder her etc.



It was clever, and I do recall Lex and Lionel complimenting the Luthor trade, as it was stated. She was like them, and she certainly didn't deny it, rather embraced it to destroy the Luthors.

They talked about her ability to plan, execute, play the angles etc but not that Lana only used these “Luthor” skills attack only them and not the innocents of the world.

Huge difference.



To kill your enemy, you must become your enemy. I'm sure you already know this.

No, that is some silly cliché from the academic, fictional, entertainment world.

In the real world when you kill paramilitary ethnic cleansers you don’t become paramilitary ethnic cleansers.



On an ethical scale, it was dirty and Lana knew it as well.

Lex and Lionel Luther abused her physically and mentally, drugged her, blackmailed her, hired a hitman to kill her etc.

So again what would you find acceptable for Lana do to take down the Luthors.

BTW just to preempt the obvious counter point don’t forget that the Luthors have proven time and time again to be above the law.



lol I didn't know it was old. But it's the nature of the death, Izzi, maybe, but why only then? For a moment, not Izzy's style. Where's the magic? And self-defense come now, it's an excusable technicality for those who didn't see it, but it was Teague on the defense. I agree to an extent, but why run around like a criminal when the evidence was there to support that? Because it was obsessive, the nature of the death, overkill, as they say. And come on, what was Lana going to say in court. "It wasn't me, it was Isabelle, she went all crazy, she was tripping!" Izzy is part of Lana's dark personality then, her driving force for power, meaning she has possibly two-sides. They are related in a way.

The above paragraph from you is not a counter point but a ramble.

Again I repeat: Lana Lang did not murder Genevieve Teague.

If fact, there is an argument that Isabel didn’t murder Genevieve Teague but instead it was self defense since Genevieve Teague pointed a gun at her.

So again if Lana Lang is a murderer in what episode or scene did she commit this murder?



Sure I can, it's psychology. Anyway, wrath pretty much shows that everything is up to interpretation, but this follows a distinct psychological and also PTS pattern. It doesn't excuse it, but it explains it.

So all you have is your opinion and a vague reference to some “psychology” but no evidence or arguments from the show.

If you can back up your statement that “Lana is addicted to power in all forms” then explain it and back up it up with evidence.



Hmn, interesting, but we're not talking about real people, or other characters for that matter. We're talking about Ms. Lana Lang. It's the mystery of Clark, just about all the main characters felt he was hiding something, intuition, and/or instinct. As I said, Lana had a sixth-sense, a deep connection with Clark. Nice farm boy eh, a facade. In addition, the same can be said for Lex befriending a shy, nice farm boy. Lana and Lex got together in the first place over the same connection, Clark.

The above is not a counter point but just a ramble.

How does the above paragraph from you prove your statement that “Lana is addicted to power in all forms”?



Sure I do, all the entities that used her as vessel covet power, Izzy for the best example. It's in her blood, not to mention Lara-El making a reference to Lana's dark insecurities. These are issues that have been addressed on the show itself. It is up to the viewer/ie you to make your own assessment of the information given. It's has support. That's really the whole point to the episode "power". Lana has always wanted power, but never had the discipline of Clark to control it, and use it justifiably.

Again you have no counter point or evidence so are just posting an unsubstantiated opinion.

Also Isabel is not Lana Lang. They are two different people/entities.



Where's the proof of that? Ah, speculation, theoretical assessment, with no genuine proof to support it.

Huh? Are you really going to try that as a counter point?

The proof that Lana doesn’t know the nature of Clark’s secret is she keeps asking him about it in general terms and not specifics in Smallville.

Lana doesn’t know if Clark’s secret is something about his adoption, heritage, physical or psychological or if it is a power or a weakness.

Every time she thinks she is getting an idea what it is such as “Clark is bulletproof” Clark pulls off a lead vest and shows she is wrong. The closest she ever got before the wine cellar was after six seasons in Freak when she talked with cornea transplant boy.

The first season Lana didn’t suspect Clark was anything other than a shy farm boy and not a super being with Allah like powers but she still developed feelings for him.

So it was not “Lana is addicted to power in all forms” that attracted Lana to Clark but simply ordinary birds and bees love.



Who says the pattern is just reserved for relationships? That's only part of it. There's darkness, Teague, Lex. Influence, Whitney, Lex. and there's power, Lex and Clark. It's the keen attraction to power, influence and/or darkness. You didn't disprove anything, just gave me your assessment. And charity work we all know was Janus-faced.

What pattern? Where is your counter point?



And charity work we all know was Janus-faced.


How do you know this?

Where is your evidence?

How is her charity work evidence that: “Lana is addicted to power in all forms”?

Is Lana being involved in the blood drive in Season 1 evidence that: “Lana is addicted to power in all forms”?



That was part of it, not all of it, otherwise she would have not parted ways with Clark.

No, Lana Lang directly and unambiguously stated her reasons for putting on the power suit which are logical etc she can be with the man she loves, he doesn’t have to worry about her, she can help people etc.

She parted ways with Clark because she was infected with green Kryptonite which was made very clear.

If you have a counter point to the above reason she and Clark went separate ways in “Requiem” then post it.



Seems like neither wanted to give up their powers for each other.

In what episode or scene did Lana or Clark choose having powers over being together?

Clark easily accepted losing his powers in season five so he could be with Lana in a romantic/sexual etc relationship.

Lana put on the power suit for reasons she directly and unambiguously stated ie she can be with the man she loves, he doesn’t have to worry about her, she can help people etc.



So myth debunked. Lana wanted more then just Clark, she didn't even plan on returning to smallville.

don’t see your point. What myth? What did Lana want more than Clark?

What and when en are you talking about: “she didn't even plan on returning to smallville.”

When she faked her own death? She wasn’t planning on returning to Smallville because after she shot Lex in Shanghai she wouldn’t be able to. However Lex saved his neck by making her an offer she couldn’t refuse: Being able to return to Smallville and see if Clark would accept her back after her marriage to Lex.



. The general personal magnetism of Luthor's power is what kept her interested after Clark. Why Lex in the first place, one would have to ask those questions to understand.

No it was that Lex over and over as he played her stressing he was honest with her while Clarks was hiding secrets.

Lex baited the trap with honesty not power. Just check the dialogue and you hear that over and over.



Her need for power goes deep, the same need that drove her to kill herself to see her parents, it was to feel secure.

Actually it was being lonely and broken hearted after being dumped by Clark along with wanting to see her parents.

BTW How does an orphan wanting to see her parents provide evidence that: “Lana is addicted to power in all forms”?


Since I'm a dude x the miscarriages. But what I would do is irrelevant. Because this is not a real life scenario. And if it were, I would've never allow myself to get in that situation, I know devils when I them. As you stated previously, Lana was incredibly naive. I am not. I would never allow anyone to influence who I am and would never alter myself for vengeance.

But if someone I knew got themselves into that situation. the odds are greater on people like Lex's side, money, influence and power. Chances in real life, they would be dead, or silenced.

Though the scenario unlikely, if I ever faced anything like this, it is kill, or be killed. And I would find a way for the law to support it. Rarely would I act before thinking of the consequence.

More practical solution without recourse would be a law suit, and filing a police report is about the best legal way out if it.

The obvious counter point is the Luthors have proved time and time again to be above the law so going to the Law is not an option. Another problem is Lana can’t go to the law since she is still being blackmailed by Lionel who told her he would kill Clark if she tells anyone about their conversation etc.

Lana by the end of season seven knows what Lex is capable of and she has a bullet wound scar to remind her what Lionel is capable of so faking her own death and disappearing is the best choice of some bad options.



In the world of superman, Lana is tainted because of the route she went about it, exacting her own vengeance without trying it the legal way, because she had the means to get proof on Lex's illegal endeavors, but chose to take matter into her own hands. She should of exposed and exploited his illegal operations. Chloe was a reporter, she could’ve ran a story on it. The point is, she never sought any other option, didn't talk to her friends ect: If she had tried, then, I think most would be more forgiven and understanding.

Huh? Do you even watch the show????

In the episode Noir Lana Lang tried to go to the Daily Planet with the evidence Lionel was forcing her to collect on Lex and she ended up with a bullet in her and the reporter she was supposed to turn the evidence over to ended up dead.

I am not making the above up. Really, go get your DVDs and watch the episode Noir or read the Noir script on the internet.



Even though these people deserved to die, to exact punishment is what demigod would do. Doesn’t make you better, or worse?

Maybe in your ivory tower you can get all high and mighty and self righteous but Lana Lang is being drugged, blackmailed, shot etc so her going after those that mean to do her and hers harm ie the Luthors is justified.

Forget Smallville and try real life; if that deaf guy with the blank look in his eyes that tells you he is already in the next world with his right hand under his dishdash is walking towards you, your buddies and those innocent bystanders around you are justified in shooting him in the face. That doesn’t make you a demigod but simply someone that had to do a bad thing for good reasons.



Would Lana have even tried to kill anyone before?


Actually she didn’t just try but killed an Intergang goon that was going after the Kents by kicking him onto a pitchfork so your answer is unless someone was trying to hurt her or hers she would leave them alone.

This is the critical difference between dark Lana and the everyday Luthors. Lana only goes after the Luthors where as the Luthors go after anyone and everyone in their way.



It shows that Lex wins, Lex succeeded in altering her entire personality, to turning her into a would be killer. She almost consciously killed in spite.

No she won. Lana got out of the marriage with a psychotic monster and got to return to Smallville to be with the love of her life, well at least until Brainiac got her.

All the best,

Cheers Mountain Sniper

[llk6165]

For me, this is not about hating a character, but I did not care for the way the handled the arc. If they did a Clois arc like this I would feel the same way. After seeing what they did with Clana over the years, I am nervous about what they will do with Clois. I do not think they have done a very good job with either.

This probably doesn't make you feel better, but I just want you to know that every criticism of the arc is not motivated by hate

[MountainSniper]

Hi jj,


hmm interesting, i cant even catch fish with a pole i would love to see someone actually spear one! Lol. thats so cool! srry the wind picked up that blows! lol get it the wind blows. lol. its late here. i may not be thinking straight! :)

I free (& scuba) dived for years but started spear fishing when I was stationed in the Balkans. Those crazy Croatians love soccer, tennis, ethnic cleansing Serbs and spear fishing.

Just google Riffe spear guns (the elephant guns of spear fishing) and check out the photo album or check out the dozens of other sites for videos. I am sure there are spear fishing videos on youtube.

Cheers Mountain Sniper

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Hi llk,


For me, this is not about hating a character, but I did not care for the way the handled the arc. If they did a Clois arc like this I would feel the same way. After seeing what they did with Clana over the years, I am nervous about what they will do with Clois. I do not think they have done a very good job with either.

This probably doesn't make you feel better, but I just want you to know that every criticism of the arc is not motivated by hate


Why should they do anything with Clois but put in on ice?

There should never be Clois because Slois (Superman & Lois) is so much fun. Don't you love it when Lois would be totally dismissive of Clark and then Superman appears and she turns into a crushing 15 year old. Then Superman flies off and Clark appears and Lois just blows him off as she gets all puppy dog eyes looking out the window of the Daily Planet for Superman.

The horn rimed glasses hiding Superman in front of Lois's nose just never gets old.

Smallville has had enough romance with Clana. Now is the time to go for action and adventure.

Clana was the big one and it's finally dead and having Lois interested in Clark with no Superman in sight is just weird.

How it is going to look when Superman appears and Smallville's Lois suddenly loses interest in Clark and falls in love with Superman at first sight?

I say go with the classic set up and that means Clark is alone. Smallville (if they killed Lana) could have had Clark fall for Lois but she is indifferent to him but even that won't work since on Smallville the powers that be have Lois developing romantic feelings first.

The best Superman/Clark is always when he is alone. Or when some girl he is not interested in throws herself at him like Mayson Drake in "Lois & Clark" that hated Superman but loves Clark. Mayson Drake was great and they should have kept her on L&C for at least a full season.

You can never make the hero happy and content or the story dies so keep Clark alone and somehow change it so Smallville's Lois is emotionally free and clear to fall in love with Superman when he shows up.

just my 2 dirhams worth.

Cheers Mountain Sniper

[zanaamen]

Correction my friend, it should be; What We Had Was Beautiful (past-tense zinger!) :rotfl::lol:Sorry, but you walked right into that one, just couldn't resist.:D

Exactly, what we have and what we had is so beautiful, we have every thing with Clana in 8 season (I mean every thing) you named, It just so bad you’re watting 8 years for barely kiss while still Clark in love with Lana I hope Clois deserve 8 years watting for and what more intrestting me is Lois witnessed the love that Clark and Lana have for each other thats enough for me, and Clana TO BE CONTINUED...:D

[Mickey_Bickey]

Well, with the new spoiler And I'm told it will have Lois and Clark fans forgetting Lana appeared in any episodes at all this season.
I think it's fair to say that Clark is moving on pretty fast, and maybe forgetting about Lana altogether.:lol:

[Dominicus]

Hi Dominicus,

You got up pretty early today.

Don’t give up so easy; I love fight club so if you have something to nail me on; post it.

Giving up, it's a thought, but not because of your post. You write too much of the same arugment however.:p It's becoming overly repetitive. Seems like you're repeating yourself, and you are. And I'm repeating myself. However, your are partial to Lana, and I said before if you showed that bias then the convo was over, and I meant it. You see no wrong in Lana even though she has admitted to these character flaws in power/requiem. Nothing seems to be getting accomplished but you incessantly throwing covert lana bashing insinuations.

You're the type, no matter what I say, you will go out your way no matter how unbelievable to find a new angle, but look at it like this and I will still shake my head, no sir, not moved in the slightest. I promise you, this is how the writers intended the characters to be seen, whether you feel empathy or antipathy is up to the viewer.

Or when a character, Lana admits to her faults. I will counter some things in a bit, because they're just out there. But you ignore, contradict, disregard and justify these addressed faults.

And just for the record, I coined the addiction to power phrase as a means of explaining her behaviorism in a pattern, you don't agree that's fine. But this is my character assessment, my opinion is based on observations, memory, character interaction actions and facts ect; that formulate into a distinct pattern. Behaviorism/profiling/psychology is my passion, as spearing fish is yours.

Counter, correction respond, later. I have work to do, and I'm already behind playing around with this thread on my insomniac hours.

This isn't a debate, not even close. :lol:

[Drasix]

Well, with the new spoiler And I'm told it will have Lois and Clark fans forgetting Lana appeared in any episodes at all this season.
I think it's fair to say that Clark is moving on pretty fast, and maybe forgetting about Lana altogether.:lol:
highly doubt it

[Bizarrolover]

Actually she didn’t just try but killed an Intergang goon that was going after the Kents by kicking him onto a pitchfork so your answer is unless someone was trying to hurt her or hers she would leave them alone.


Lana vaporized Buffy Sanders in Thirst, season 5, when she turned into a vampire after becoming infected by a rare type of rabies. She bit Clark, and obtained his powers. When Buffy tried to eat Clark, Lana fulminated her with a shot of heat vision. Some may say Lana was not herself, that it was the rabies, that Buffy was going to kill Clark and that the murder is justified. In a conversation with Clark after the incident, Lana only recalls the good part, and that's the warmth and strength she felt when she bit him. So, I guess, intentional or not, Lana has three deaths in her record.

[Dominicus]

Exactly, what we have and what we had is so beautiful, we have every thing with Clana in 8 season (I mean every thing) you named, It just so bad you’re watting 8 years for barely kiss while still Clark in love with Lana I hope Clois deserve 8 years watting for and what more intrestting me is Lois witnessed the love that Clark and Lana have for each other thats enough for me, and Clana TO BE CONTINUED...:DNice! :lol: But what do I care? I'm not a Cloiser or shipper in-general. I'm, more so a fan of the comic. Which means, I support anything the pays respect to the superman mythos. But I think it's insanely funny how serious you guys take it, jumping to conclusions. Like for one, anyone disagreeing or not shipping clana is automatically a Cloiser and hater. :confused::lol: Just for the record I like both clois and Clana, howver I see it as past and future.

[Heilige]

highly doubt it



Could you elaborate Drasix??

[Mickey_Bickey]

highly doubt it

You can doubt it all you want, but it's right on the spoiler page in dark blue and white.:D

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

Nice! :lol: But what do I care? I'm not a Cloiser or shipper in-general. I'm, more so a fan of the comic. Which means, I support anything the pays respect to the superman mythos. But I think it's insanely funny how serious you guys take it, jumping to conclusions. Like for one, anyone disagreeing or not shipping clana is automatically a Cloiser and hater. :confused::lol: Just for the record I like both clois and Clana, howver I see it as past and future.

ITA. Great Post! I've mentioned this before. Some shippers feel that if you don't ship their ship or disagree with the content of a ship you automatically become a hater or basher. I personally think this is just foolish. Yeah I will admit I like Clois, but that doesn't mean I have a vengeance against Clana or Chlark etc... I will repeat if I don't like Lana's actions that doesn't mean I'm a hater of her. This same rule applies to Lois and Chloe. People should not just throw out words and be extremely defensive calling some one a hater. This just shows immaturity IMO :\

[jjsmallvillelvr]

Lana vaporized Buffy Sanders in Thirst, season 5, when she turned into a vampire after becoming infected by a rare type of rabies. She bit Clark, and obtained his powers. When Buffy tried to eat Clark, Lana fulminated her with a shot of heat vision. Some may say Lana was not herself, that it was the rabies, that Buffy was going to kill Clark and that the murder is justified. In a conversation with Clark after the incident, Lana only recalls the good part, and that's the warmth and strength she felt when she bit him. So, I guess, intentional or not, Lana has three deaths in her record.buffy and the intergang member. who is death # 3?

[Clark_Camp]

I know everyone gets mad at the revolving story line here...
but I just saw the episode last night and though the closure was perfect... They started off where Clark couldn't go near here because of the necklace... and now... well. The use of the necklace as foreshadowing and the closing lines from the grave yard as they parted... all perfect... just let it be and enjoy what is happening... I like the ideas in here people came up with about Bizzaro taking the kryponite out of her... lets hope for a season nine arch. She isn't super in the comics... so moving forward maybe that will be removed and the relationship lost to Lois. They will be the good friends the story has always depicted.

The Lex's wedge was also perfect... "star-crossed lovers" sounded like one of his learned lessons from Lionel (There was always some kind of history lesson in all Lionel did to Lex). "star-crossed lovers" is a phrase describing a pair of lovers whose relationship is said to be doomed from the start. His hate was perfectly executed to push them apart and move Clark forward.

As far as Lois and Clark... we know there is a spark... and she'll might be a bit guarded now when it comes to her feelings towards him for the rest of the season... but we all know that the red-blue-blur is who she will fall for... she gets both in the end.

All I know is this is the best TV show ever about Superman story... pray for season nine!

[Dominicus]

buffy and the intergang member. who is death # 3?Genevieve Teague

[jjsmallvillelvr]

Genevieve Teague
aw, yes...but really that was isobel

[red_sun1938]

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nuff' said :rotfl:

[Tinyeppy]

All I have to say is this strory line between Clana, Clois, Superman, Chole it's not the present storyline of DC universe.

SV is an A/U within DC's Muliverse. I'm totally convinced after having a conversion with a friend of mine who's a crazy DC comic fan.


The present time line (New Earth) if I remember of Superman has Lana & Lori being Lois bridemaids with all 3 women in love with CK but only Lois marrying him b/c both Lana & Lori realize how much more deeply CK love Lois.

I mean even Lana was trying to convice Lois that CK was in deeply in love with her b/c she didn't believe him and Lois was confused between her relationship with CK and Superman. When she found out they were the same person they got engaged evenually marry & he even bulids a buliding with a penthouse for her. COME ONE People.....

The bond is there. I mean even the comics have Lois do some Kyprtontian training with out of body experiences with CK. The spirtual bond.

The currently comic even had a furture Superman come warn a current Superman about a devastating future with Lois dying & he want's to prevent this b/c it's not good.

Lana remains the sweet girl marrying Pete the only thing Lois is angry about her with is the fact she took away Lois name sake by naming her son Clark.


All this crap on SV with Clana is just protrayed to strongly with CK emotions with Lana b/c if he behaves so childish & immature with Lana how in hell he's going to behave when he has this bond with Lois. More childish & crazy. CK on SV is trying to bond with the WRONG GIRL. We get Super Kryptonite Crazy Lana.

And in all these muli universe we see how Superman life changes dramatic when Lois isnt' around or a diffrenent path is chosen and vise versa with Lois.

Yes Pre Crisis Superman marries and has a daughter with Linda Davers (PostCrisis) but again it's an A/U and ends with Linda Davers changing the timeline by waking Supergirl up to early in the timeline. Linda Dies in Pre Crisis so Kara could Live. Lindas extistance erased (CK doesn't remember her) and there daughter roaming the earth alone not doing very heroic acts. Tragic.

They even have Lois when Superman is around like marrying Lex Luther and having son. It end up wrong and tragic too.

I'm conviced thanks to my friend that Smallville is an Alternate Universe at this point in the series.

Clois & Superman are just very different in this time line on Smallville.

[Bizarrolover]

buffy and the intergang member. who is death # 3?

Genevieve teague. So we have one unintentional murder, one under the influence of rabies and one while possessed by Isobel. I understand that Lana was not 'herself' when she stabbed genevieve, but she asked the Luthors to clean that mess for her and that, in my opinion at least, lessens her innocence a little. She could have tried it the legal way.

I'm not adding to this list the lab technician that died while under her care in season 7 because Lana didn't cause her condition. But she didn't take her to the hospital and 'treated' her at Isis, and that, I think, is not right.

[jjsmallvillelvr]

Genevieve teague. So we have one unintentional murder, one under the influence of rabies and one while possessed by Isobel. I understand that Lana was not 'herself' when she stabbed genevieve, but she asked the Luthors to clean that mess for her and that, in my opinion at least, lessens her innocence a little. She could have tried it the legal way.

I'm not adding to this list the lab technician that died while under her care in season 7 because Lana didn't cause her condition. But she didn't take her to the hospital and 'treated' her at Isis, and that, I think, is not right.
i dont want to start an argument or anything, but lanas first reaction when she/isobel kille genevieve was to go to the police...lex told her no and made her come to the mansion with him and while they were gone unbeknowst to lana lionel cleaned up the mess...she was a scared 18 year old girl who was convinced by a rich older man that she shouldnt go to the police... so its ify, i mean i know she didnt go to the police, but she was gunna thats gotta count for something right?:)

[lana 9]

Genevieve teague. So we have one unintentional murder, one under the influence of rabies and one while possessed by Isobel. I understand that Lana was not 'herself' when she stabbed genevieve, but she asked the Luthors to clean that mess for her and that, in my opinion at least, lessens her innocence a little. She could have tried it the legal way.

I'm not adding to this list the lab technician that died while under her care in season 7 because Lana didn't cause her condition. But she didn't take her to the hospital and 'treated' her at Isis, and that, I think, is not right.

i did not see lana ask the luthors to clean up the mess can you tell me were the scene is

[jjsmallvillelvr]

read MY post....i dont think she asked them either...my post is a couple b4 urs. jjsmallvillelvr!

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i dont want to start an argument or anything, but lanas first reaction when she/isobel kille genevieve was to go to the police...lex told her no and made her come to the mansion with him and while they were gone unbeknowst to lana lionel cleaned up the mess...she was a scared 18 year old girl who was convinced by a rich older man that she shouldnt go to the police... so its ify, i mean i know she didnt go to the police, but she was gunna thats gotta count for something right?:)
here it is lol

[Bizarrolover]

i did not see lana ask the luthors to clean up the mess can you tell me were the scene is

She went to the mansion, to see Lex, with her hands covered in blood and washed them in a basin. Lex asked Lionel to clean the apartment and Lionel even made a joke about Genevieve, saying that for such a petite woman, Genevieve shed a lot of blood, or something along those lines. I don't remember if it was in Commencement (S4) or in the previous episode. In Arrival (S5), when Lana is at the hospital after the meteor shower, she's reading an article about the death of Jason and Genevieve, and there is a note from Lex that said 'You owe me one'.


i dont want to start an argument or anything, but lanas first reaction when she/isobel kille genevieve was to go to the police...lex told her no and made her come to the mansion with him and while they were gone unbeknowst to lana lionel cleaned up the mess...she was a scared 18 year old girl who was convinced by a rich older man that she shouldnt go to the police... so its ify, i mean i know she didnt go to the police, but she was gunna thats gotta count for something right?:)

I understand what you mean, and I really understand why Lana accepted Lex's help, but usually, when you make a pact with the devil, you have to live with the consequences. To me, taking someone else's life is a serious crime, so usually I don't take murder as lightly as the showrunners do. But I guess in Smallville the law doesn't always apply. I wish the could take it more seriously, though.

[jjsmallvillelvr]

She went to the mansion, to see Lex, with her hands covered in blood and washed them in a basin. Lex asked Lionel to clean the apartment and Lionel even made a joke about Genevieve, saying that for such a petite woman, Genevieve shed a lot of blood, or something along those lines. I don't remember if it was in Commencement (S4) or in the previous episode. In Arrival (S5), when Lana is at the hospital after the meteor shower, she's reading an article about the death of Jason and Genevieve, and there is a note from Lex that said 'You owe me one'.


I understand what you mean, and I really understand why Lana accepted Lex's help, but usually, when you make a pact with the devil, you have to live with the consequences. To me, taking someone else's life is a serious crime, so usually I don't take murder as lightly as the showrunners do. But I guess in Smallville the law doesn't always apply. I wish the could take it more seriously, though.i understand what you mean...i dont take murders lightly either....if it wasnt just a show i would think differently lol. but since it is a show she was possesed so i felt a lil differently. lol. if it was real life she wouldnt have been possessed lol!:)

[InAFlash]

She went to the mansion, to see Lex, with her hands covered in blood and washed them in a basin. Lex asked Lionel to clean the apartment and Lionel even made a joke about Genevieve, saying that for such a petite woman, Genevieve shed a lot of blood, or something along those lines. I don't remember if it was in Commencement (S4) or in the previous episode. In Arrival (S5), when Lana is at the hospital after the meteor shower, she's reading an article about the death of Jason and Genevieve, and there is a note from Lex that said 'You owe me one'.

Actually Lionel cleaned up the mess on his own. When Lex arrived he said something like, "for a woman without a heart Genevieve Teague sure had a lot of blood". He then suggested that Lana would end up in prison if Lex did'nt give him the stone she had.




I understand what you mean, and I really understand why Lana accepted Lex's help, but usually, when you make a pact with the devil, you have to live with the consequences. To me, taking someone else's life is a serious crime, so usually I don't take murder as lightly as the showrunners do. But I guess in Smallville the law doesn't always apply. I wish the could take it more seriously, though.

There really is'nt much Lana could do in this situation. As jjsmallvillelvr stated Lana's intention was to go to the police. She was convinced by Lex that this would be a bad idea because Edward Teague was a lawyer and even though it was clearly self-defense, he would make sure a jury did'nt see it that way. He then demanded that she give him the stone which was the murder weapon or what he referred to as the "smoking gun". She refused and instead gave the stone to Clark because she somehow knew it was meant for him.

I think at this point Lana was in such a predicament she had to accept Lex's help. When she opens up the newspaper and reads the article I think she realizes that the meteor shower has covered up her crime almost perfectly. Should she go to the police at this point? Maybe but what would she tell them? I killed Genevieve Teague in self-defense while possessed by a witch from the 16th century. I have know idea where the body went and I gave the murder weapon to a friend and I have know idea what he did with it. At this point do you think she has much of a case to keep her out of prison. And I think the audience believes that she's innocent. That's what's important.

[jjsmallvillelvr]

holla^^^

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that was my point! i just didnt say it quite as gracefully!

[lana 9]

Actually Lionel cleaned up the mess on his own. When Lex arrived he said something like, "for a woman without a heart Genevieve Teague sure had a lot of blood". He then suggested that Lana would end up in prison if Lex did'nt give him the stone she had.




There really is'nt much Lana could do in this situation. As jjsmallvillelvr stated Lana's intention was to go to the police. She was convinced by Lex that this would be a bad idea because Edward Teague was a lawyer and even though it was clearly self-defense, he would make sure a jury did'nt see it that way. He then demanded that she give him the stone which was the murder weapon or what he referred to as the "smoking gun". She refused and instead gave the stone to Clark because she somehow knew it was meant for him.

I think at this point Lana was in such a predicament she had to accept Lex's help. When she opens up the newspaper and reads the article I think she realizes that the meteor shower has covered up her crime almost perfectly. Should she go to the police at this point? Maybe but what would she tell them? I killed Genevieve Teague in self-defense while possessed by a witch from the 16th century. I have know idea where the body went and I gave the murder weapon to a friend and I have know idea what he did with it. At this point do you think she has much of a case to keep her out of prison. And I think the audience believes that she's innocent. That's what's important.

good post that how i see the scene

[Clana4Life]

Hi Dominicus,

I wouldn’t change Smallville simply because there is no freaking way in a billion years to set the traditional mythos of Clark Kent being in love with Lois Lane while she is in love with Superman and treats his unrequited love like crap.

You had a chance of pulling that off if you killed Lana Lang and then after 10 years in the fortress training Clark returns to live among the humans and first day on the job meets Lois Lane and falls in love with her.

I agree with this. I like Clana, but would have no problems embracing Clois if it was done well and believably. I have every Superman movie and am a big fan of Clois per the movies. But after 8 years of Clana, there's no believable way to pull off Clark being head over heals in love with Lois at this point. Honestly based on the end scene in Requiem, it would be more believable that Clark would spend most of his free time (when not saving the world) talking with Dr. Grouhl or researching ways to fix Lana's suit. I don't think he'd give up on this. Also, ED will only be in 4 or 5 more episodes this season, and if this is the last season then TPTB have failed in their Clois endeavor. I'd rather see them not do it at all then rush to do it just to say they did.


However in the Smallville universe you don’t have a freaking chance of doing anything to the Clana ship. That sucker is bullet proof and there is no way around it. Even on the K-site which is a mecca for Lana Lang bashers you have hardcore Lana bashers finally facing the reality and running up the white flag over their dreams of Clois.

The above photograph of the ship sinking is ironic because that ship is not Clana but Clois.

Exactly. No matter what type of lightswitching may occur in these last 7 episodes, one need only wonder, "What if Lana came back". What would happen then? Well, the Clois stack of cards may fall down. A lack of love was not what ended Clana and because of this, there is always a chance of reconciliation (at least on Smallville), if Lana can find a way to cleanse her suit of kryptonite.



I really have to wonder if “Clana forever” was the goal of the “powers that be” when Smallville was first conceived or after putting Tom Welling and Kristin Kruek together on the screen they just went WOW and did a 180 on their original plan.

The writers said that Clana was the heart of the show. So based on that, I believe it was their goal. I think that became rather cemented when they saw how well received the relationship was. I'm a fan of the relationship, but I've only recently found out how huge the fan-base is. I don't think any other fan-base rivals it - in terms of the gifts they send, the money collected for all things Clana, the websites created and the calls/letters made to the writers/producers. The dedication is amazing - sending 1,000 irises to the writers/producers in support of a ship is no small (nor inexpensive) task. They collected quite a fortune on behalf of this venture. The only other fan-base that I'm aware of that comes close to this is Beauty and the Beast (Linda Hamilton/Ron Pearlman). So all things considered, the writers went with what worked and kept the viewers coming back for 8 years - even those who hated the "heart of the show."


Well how do you get to that when on Smallville Clark is in different to Lois, Lois has romantic feelings for Clark and Lana Lang the star crossed love of Clark’s life that sacrificed everything for others is still alive out in the world saving people?

You don't or at least you don't do it well. Are there really fans who want Clois just for the sake of wanting Clois no matter how poorly its done, no matter if it goes against everything mythos, comic-books and movie-Clois stood for? Is this storyline where Clark will only be with Lois because it's impossible for him to be with Lana due to the suit, really please true Clois fans?


Lois just looks like a poor second choice and that is all the “powers that be” wrote on the Smallville version of the Superman story.

She certainly looks like the one he can be with since the one he wants to be with is no longer an option. If Lois knew this, I doubt she would even want to pursue a relationship with Clark. Yet I'm surprised by this "take what you can get Lois" sentiment that's now abounding.

[MountainSniper]

Hi Dominicus,


Giving up, it's a thought, but not because of your post. You write too much of the same arugment however.:p It's becoming overly repetitive. Seems like you're repeating yourself, and you are.....................This isn't a debate, not even close. :lol:

Now this is a hoot!

Actually the reason my arguments all sound the same to you is I am using the exact same technique to counter point you.

I will explain it to you.

My counter points consist of are direct references to the Smallville TV show as evidence/back up/examples rather than using feelings/speculation etc.

Here is an example:


In the world of superman, Lana is tainted because of the route she went about it, exacting her own vengeance without trying it the legal way, because she had the means to get proof on Lex's illegal endeavors, but chose to take matter into her own hands. She should of exposed and exploited his illegal operations. Chloe was a reporter, she could’ve ran a story on it. The point is, she never sought any other option, didn't talk to her friends ect: If she had tried, then, I think most would be more forgiven and understanding.

In the above you try to imply that EVOL Lana never tried any other option than the “Dark/Tainted/Luthor Style” option.

It was easy to counter point because wearing Lana bashing blinders causes memory loss about what Lana Lang actually does on the show.

All I had to do is go to the show and directly lift the example of what Lana actually did in Noir.

And here it is:


In the episode Noir Lana Lang tried to go to the Daily Planet with the evidence Lionel was forcing her to collect on Lex and she ended up with a bullet in her and the reporter she was supposed to turn the evidence over to ended up dead.

I am not making the above up. Really, go get your DVDs and watch the episode Noir or read the Noir script on the internet.

If you have the facts on your side as above just present the facts. If you don’t have the facts then argue intent.

It’s not rocket science but just debate 101.

All the best,

Warmest Regards, Mountain Sniper



Hi Bizarrolover,


Genevieve teague. So we have one unintentional murder, one under the influence of rabies and one while possessed by Isobel. I understand that Lana was not 'herself' when she stabbed genevieve, but she asked the Luthors to clean that mess for her and that, in my opinion at least, lessens her innocence a little. She could have tried it the legal way.

Lana Lang killed Buffy the Vampire Leader, she did not murder her.

Buffy was coming at Lana Lang with intent to harm but simply didn’t know that due to biting Clark Lana was more than just an “ordinary” vampire.

And again Lana Lang did not murder Genevieve Teague. Isabel killed her and there is an argument that Isabel is not guilt of murder but self defense since Genevieve Teague pointed a gun at her.

When Lana Lang kicked Morgan Edge’s henchman onto the pitchfork in the Kent’s barn she was also innocent of murder. The henchman was armed and coming at her so that is self defense and defense of innocents ie the Kents.

If Lana Lang is guilty of murder due to the above then just about everyone on Smallville is a murderer.

For example: Lois and Clark together killed (barbecued & electrocuted) Trent the kid with the metal blades for arms. In the pilot episode Clark dropped a ton of metal on bug boy and later in the first season “kills?” Sean Kelvin in the episode Cool by throwing him into the lake which freezes.

Clark kills sentient beings like Gloria in Wither when using heat vision he makes a sprinkler burst over the lights in the greenhouse and thus electrocuting Gloria and causing her to vaporize.

Then in Combat in a direct hand to hand fight Clark kills Titan. And no it is not an accident (no matter what Mommy Kent says) when Clark seeks out Titan and willingly with intent to do harm steps into a ring to fight. It is not murder but neither can it be labeled an accident.

Also the powers that be sometimes use someone else killing to save Clark as a “get out of jail free card” for Clark killing. The Martian Manhunter twice had to kill sentient beings ie Aliens/Zoners to save Clark’s life. Then Lana had to kill Bizzaro in order to save Clark.

Even Chloe has killed on the show when she shoots Gabriel in the missile silo in an attempt to stop the launch of the nuclear missile and thus save Smallville.

Considering the body count on Smallville I am sure there are several other examples.

All the best,

Cheers, Mountain Sniper


Hi Tinyeppy,


All I have to say is this strory line between Clana, Clois, Superman, Chole it's not the present storyline of DC universe.

SV is an A/U within DC's Muliverse. I'm totally convinced after having a conversion with a friend of mine who's a crazy DC comic fan.

I'm conviced thanks to my friend that Smallville is an Alternate Universe at this point in the series.

Clois & Superman are just very different in this time line on Smallville.

I agree, at the end of the day just accept that Smallville is an alternative universe and it is not the "Lois and Clark" universe. That is what my Lois and Clark DVDs are for.

It really is the best way to enjoy good mental health, stop throwing stuff at your TV and enjoy the show as it is portrayed on the screen.

Cheers, Mountain Sniper

[MountainSniper]

Hi Clana4Life,


I really have to wonder if “Clana forever” was the goal of the “powers that be” when Smallville was first conceived or after putting Tom Welling and Kristin Kruek together on the screen they just went WOW and did a 180 on their original plan.


The writers said that Clana was the heart of the show. So based on that, I believe it was their goal. I think that became rather cemented when they saw how well received the relationship was. I'm a fan of the relationship, but I've only recently found out how huge the fan-base is. I don't think any other fan-base rivals it - in terms of the gifts they send, the money collected for all things Clana, the websites created and the calls/letters made to the writers/producers. The dedication is amazing - sending 1,000 irises to the writers/producers in support of a ship is no small (nor inexpensive) task. They collected quite a fortune on behalf of this venture. The only other fan-base that I'm aware of that comes close to this is Beauty and the Beast (Linda Hamilton/Ron Pearlman). So all things considered, the writers went with what worked and kept the viewers coming back for 8 years - even those who hated the "heart of the show."




You know Clana4Life I think they said that “heart of the show” quote during the episode commentary on the DVDs so that would be after they shot the first season.

So my curiosity was more if the Clana relationship had been for seen as “the heart of the show” when Smallville as a concept was first being pitched?

Or did Clana become ‘the heart of the show” after they put Tom Welling and Kristin Kreuk together and saw the phenomena that Clana became after airing the pilot etc.

BTW I was sure from the second episode that Lexana was on the way as soon as Lana became legal. The big hint was in the opening scene of the Metamorphosis at the country fair Lex complementing Clark on his taste in women. Then Lex checking out Lana while taking a big bit out of that apple ie the old “apple of his eye” anvil.

Also it is standard in Superman (in fact with super heroes in general ) that the love interest is seduced/tricked etc into a relationship with the super villain. They did the exact same thing in the first season of Lois and Clark.

I know it drove the Clana fans crazy but I really believe Smallville was successful because they never put Clark and Lana together for any length of time but always busted them up pronto over some misunderstanding etc.

Once the viewers get the romantic tension/triangle resolved in a story they lose interest. The simple truth is happy couples are not interesting entertainment. It was the death kiss for Lois and Clark when Lois found out Clark was Superman and they got married where as the first two seasons rocked.

So as a Clana fan you can find comfort in the reality that in Smallville’s universe Lana and Clark will always be the top dog and Clana will never get old & boring.

I wouldn’t want to live it in real life but in fiction star crossed lovers rule forever.

All the best,

Cheers Mountain Sniper

[InAFlash]

The writers said that Clana was the heart of the show. So based on that, I believe it was their goal. I think that became rather cemented when they saw how well received the relationship was. I'm a fan of the relationship, but I've only recently found out how huge the fan-base is. I don't think any other fan-base rivals it - in terms of the gifts they send, the money collected for all things Clana, the websites created and the calls/letters made to the writers/producers. The dedication is amazing - sending 1,000 irises to the writers/producers in support of a ship is no small (nor inexpensive) task. They collected quite a fortune on behalf of this venture. The only other fan-base that I'm aware of that comes close to this is Beauty and the Beast (Linda Hamilton/Ron Pearlman). So all things considered, the writers went with what worked and kept the viewers coming back for 8 years - even those who hated the "heart of the show."

I had no idea the fanbase for Clana was that big. I come here and see a great deal of dislike for Lana and Clana so it's surprising to hear that many fans of the show appreciate what TPTB have given us with Clana.


I agree, at the end of the day just accept that Smallville is an alternative universe and it is not the "Lois and Clark" universe. That is what my Lois and Clark DVDs are for.

It really is the best way to enjoy good mental health, stop throwing stuff at your TV and enjoy the show as it is portrayed on the screen.

Cheers, Mountain Sniper

I like this. Being a big fan of Superman, I had an idea of how I thought the show should be written when I first started watching. It was frustrating to see TPTB do certain things. Then I realized that it's their version of the Superman story not mine. It's really a great show if you enjoy it for what it is and not get frustrated over what you think it should be. I don't think the show is any less entertaining because Clark loves Lana more than Lois.

[MountainSniper]

Hi InAFlash,


I like this. Being a big fan of Superman, I had an idea of how I thought the show should be written when I first started watching. It was frustrating to see TPTB do certain things. Then I realized that it's their version of the Superman story not mine. It's really a great show if you enjoy it for what it is and not get frustrated over what you think it should be. I don't think the show is any less entertaining because Clark loves Lana more than Lois.


Personally I could handle Chloe or Lois as the love interest if the writers wrote it that way from the first giving the couple proper history and don’t light switch it.

I am lucky because I love all of Smallville’s girls.

The only thing I don’t like about the girls is SV’s Lois is not enough like the iconic Lois due to sleeping with her boss, drinking, drop out etc. But because I love Erica I would have still cast her on the show but made her character Lucy Lane (Lois’s screwed up younger sister that is always getting into trouble).

As a guy I think the best thing Smallville ever did was cast the three girls. They really covered the basis with Alison as the fresh faced all American blond girl next door, Erica as the glamorous busty sex bomb and Kristin as the petite exotic dark beauty.

Clark could have fallen for anyone of them and I would have been happy. The writers just happened to pick Lana and the chemistry clicked and now with all the history etc there is no looking back.

As long as Clark makes the individual choice to be Superman (i.e. none of that stupid destiny crap) and in doing so he loses the love of his life “insert whoever” because the definitive characteristic of heroism is sacrifice I will be happy with Smallville’s Superman.

There is a reason that he is called the LAST son of Krypton and in the end Superman has to be alone suffering the unrequited love blues but still going out and saving the world every single day.

And that is just my 2 dirhams worth.

Cheers Mountain Sniper

[batfinx]

What does this have to do with Clark/Chloe warning Lana about getting romantically involved and marrying Lex?

It what episode and scene did Clark as Kal-el warn Lana about Lex?

You do recall in Fragile that Chloe confronted Lex because she felt something was going on between him and Lana romantically, right? Then Lex told Lana bout the confrontation and Lana was pissed, but Chloe said "Lex Luthor is nothing more than a predator." You do not take into account that at the time Lana was falling for Lex, she and Chloe were not on the best of terms, but Chloe wanted to help her and warn her despite their differences. Lana was having none of it and she wasn't going to listen to Clark at that point either because he dumped her in hypnotic.


Also you conveniently forget that Lana on her wedding day found out on her own (wine cellar) that first; Clark still loves her and second; he has super powers. She decided not to marry Lex not because she found out he is a psychotic monster but because she loves Clark more.

She started to leave Lex a "dear john" note on his wedding day. Isn't that a tad cruel to do to a man she loved, but didn't love as much as Clark? You say she did it because she loved Clark more, not because Lex was a monster to her knowledge. That gutless maneuver is what got her caught by Lionel. Maybe she should've been like Lois on LnC who said "I can't" instead of "I do" at the altar. It would be just as cruel, if not more humiliating for Lex, but at least there'd be a lot of witnesses and no chance to blackmail her into going through with it and she'd be saying it to his face.


At the end of Static when Jimmy, Chloe and Lana are checking out of the now deserted 33.1 Lana counters Chloe by saying she can’t prove anything was here etc but by Justice, five episodes before the wedding day “Promise” Clark and Chloe have everything they need to prove to Lana that Lex is a monster.

Dr. Groll warned her in Fallout and then in the very next episode Chloe tried to warn her. "I think there's some stuff you should know about, Lana. About Lex."

"I don't want to hear anything more about Lex, I can't."

She found out she was "pregnant" and because of that she didn't want to hear anything about Lex. Though I'd think she'd want to know more about Lex so that she'd know whether or not the man helping to raise the child is a good man or a monster. So your defense using Justice doesn't work. Lana said in Rage that she didn't want to know anymore about Lex.


At the time of the wedding Lana still believed Lex was a good man but simply didn’t love him as much as she loved Clark and marrying him wouldn’t be fair to Lex yada yada yada.

But leaving Lex a dear john letter on his wedding day was fair to Lex? :lol:


The irony for Lex is if he hadn’t faked the baby and miscarriage etc Lana would have most likely accepted her fate since she did love him so there is a good chance she would have settled for second place ie marriage to Lex

No, if she hadn't found out she was pregnant, she probably would've left Lex in Rage after hearing what Chloe was going to tell her, but Lana decided she didn't want to hear it. You're also leaving out Lana sniffing back around Clark in Hydro. He rebuffed her because of the pregnancy and so had no fake pregnancy happened, her and Clark would probably have hooked back up in that episode and she'd have left Lex.


They talked about her ability to plan, execute, play the angles etc but not that Lana only used these “Luthor” skills attack only them and not the innocents of the world.

Huge difference.

There's no "huge" difference at all. Lana was doing terrible things, criminal things. You want to justify it by saying she was doing it to the Luthors. It was terrible no matter who she was doing it to.


In the real world when you kill paramilitary ethnic cleansers you don’t become paramilitary ethnic cleansers.

Do you mean the United Nations deciding to take military action against this theoretical paramilitary ethnic cleansing group? If so, it's about that group breaking international laws. It's about justice, not vengeance or vigilantism.


The first season Lana didn’t suspect Clark was anything other than a shy farm boy and not a super being with Allah like powers but she still developed feelings for him.

She was in a relationship with Whitney. She's not a loyal girlfriend by any means, but she was in a relationship with Whitney nonetheless.


The only thing I don’t like about the girls is SV’s Lois is not enough like the iconic Lois due to sleeping with her boss, drinking, drop out etc.

Lois got sloshed on champagne on LnC when she lost her bid to go on a date with Superman. When Clark showed up she said "barn dance let out early?" :D Clark had to get her a cab. How many Clark Kents do you know who dropped out of college? The truth is the only character who went back to college, at least night courses, was Chloe. Lana's a dropout too. Obviously she has a lot of free time on her hands and could've gone back long ago, but chose not to apparently. Not that going to college is "iconic" for Lois Lane. In the 70 years of the myth I can only name two versions of Lois Lane who even went to college, much less graduated. Actually Smallville's Lois is a third Lois who has gone to college. Lois slept with the editor of the paper in Earth 2 continuity, of course Clark was the boss ;)

When someone ascribes "iconic" elements to Lois Lane that are not iconic, that's when I ask the person ... who is your favorite Lois Lane? Looking forward to your answer.

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[amberdawn]

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[skugers]

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[Timester]

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Come on, the other Picard Facepalm is more epic.

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[Alania]

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Come on, the other Picard Facepalm is more epic.

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[jjsmallvillelvr]

hey whered those cool little emoticons come from? ^^^

[Kal26]

MR was tired of playing the same role, and he wanted to do other things. I also believe he had a personal issue with someone on the set, but I'm not sure. He gives off that vibe in his interviews. KK left because she wanted to do Street Fighter and other things as well. I'm not sure if there is anything else to why she left.

I don't have links to any interviews, but you can look on the newspage, scroll down to find her interviews. I think they are all there. In his latest interview, when MR was asked if he missed the show, he actually said something like "the show, well, I miss the people." I get the idea that he didn't like the direction the show was taking. Also, I'm sure being so in to comedy, and doing so much voice over work for dcu cartoons, he was ready to have more free time to do those things. KK, well, remember a while back it was stated that she had a problem with the direction her character was taking. If she needed time off to work on street fighter, it seems funny that she'd be on the show while she was working on it, and that her story arc would end after it's filming was over. I personally think she had a lot to do with this current story arc, as the producers wanted her on the show, and she wanted Lana to be seen more as a hero.

[Supsfan]

I just wish they would have given an ending that let Clark Kent move on. The big problem with the ending they went with is there is so many easy ways they could fix the problem at hand yet both of them gave up. If Clark Kent doesn't try find a cure what exactly does it say about him?

But simple solutions to fix the issue

1. Blue K
2. Jor El
3. Get Ollie's help(he might have the resources)
4. Lead Suit for Lana
5. Resurrect Bizzaro somehow, he can drain the kryptonite out of Lana

Now what does it tell me as a viewer about the relationship If i can come up with 5 ideas that could potentially fix the situation, yet both of them give up so easily?

1. Clark and Lana really don't care and just gave up
2. Clark and Lana are idiots

[scifigirl]

^^^It says that the writers dropped the entire plot like a red hot skillet because there was no way to resolve it without KK there.

[Clana4Life]

^^^It says that the writers dropped the entire plot like a red hot skillet because there was no way to resolve it without KK there.

Exactly. Let's be real Supsfan, if KK is not coming back then they can't do any of the things you listed. But all of those ideas will be great when she comes back for her guest appearances in S9.

[jjsmallvillelvr]

lol wishful thinking C4L lol, IF she comes back for season 9 at all if there is even a season lol! we can only hope!!! :D

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

I can't wait for her return in Season 9! :D I hope she is an two episodes - the return of Lana and the Series Finale.

[jjsmallvillelvr]

i would have to agree with you on that one redk i mean if she just wanted to come back for the whole season and go out with clark that would work for me too! hehe! :D

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

That would be awesome! I definitely wouldn't mind that, lol.

[jjsmallvillelvr]

lol so clanalicious!

[Supsfan]

Exactly. Let's be real Supsfan, if KK is not coming back then they can't do any of the things you listed. But all of those ideas will be great when she comes back for her guest appearances in S9.

Problem is they knew she was leaving yet wrote her 5 episode storyarc full of holes(well the last 2 at least). Superman from the comics would go to the end of the universe to find a cure, Smallville's version doesn't hold to that standard.

I personally could care less what it means to the Clana relationship but I do take offense that the writers wrote an ending without taking Clark Kent's character's best interest into consideration. Instead they wrote this tragic ending for Clana(that made no sense if you watched the previous 2 seasons because so much was retconned) that in all reality shouldn't be tragic because there is logical easy ways that it could be fixed.

I think that sums up the entire run of Clana though, constant drama for the sake of having drama, although many times there would be easy solutions to prevent it, but the producers seemed to love those angsty storylines. Everytime I could think up something Clark Kent could do to make things easier in his life, he comes off looking like an idiot because he can't think of it himself. And we are to believe this version of Clark Kent will someday become the Man of Steel?

[Clana4Life]

Problem is they knew she was leaving yet wrote her 5 episode storyarc full of holes(well the last 2 at least). Superman from the comics would go to the end of the universe to find a cure, Smallville's version doesn't hold to that standard.

I personally could care less what it means to the Clana relationship but I do take offense that the writers wrote an ending without taking Clark Kent's character's best interest into consideration. Instead they wrote this tragic ending for Clana(that made no sense if you watched the previous 2 seasons because so much was retconned) that in all reality shouldn't be tragic because there is logical easy ways that it could be fixed.

I think that sums up the entire run of Clana though, constant drama for the sake of having drama, although many times there would be easy solutions to prevent it, but the producers seemed to love those angsty storylines. Everytime I could think up something Clark Kent could do to make things easier in his life, he comes off looking like an idiot because he can't think of it himself. And we are to believe this version of Clark Kent will someday become the Man of Steel?

I agree that Superman would go to the ends of the earth to find a cure. I honestly think that this Clark Kent would do so too. So if it's not even mentioned in "Infamous" I will be dumbfounded. Because given his great love for Lana, I can't see him realistically saying, "Oh well, she's infected with kryptonite. That's that. I guess I'll just move on." Based on the last 8 years, I can't see Clark doing that with anyone he loves. I expect that if it were Chloe, Lois or Oliver, he'd keep working on finding a cure. You know "never give up" that has been his motto, so it will be strange to see him just "take it in stride and give up". As I see it, this break up was far harder on him emotionally and physically than the "dear John video" from last season. I would expect that to at least be addressed.

[CarissaJoi]

While I do agree with Supsfan and Clana4Life that Clark would do whatever possible to find a cure for Lana--I think that perhaps Clark is starting to learn that he can't save everyone and I don't know if I believe that Lana really wants to BE saved. I think that leaving Smallville at the end of Season 7 and living her life apart from Clark enabled her to realize that she is capable of really great things. Now, with the Prometheus suit--virtually anything is possible.
It just seemed to me, that underneath it all, Clark and Lana knew that they were holding on to a relationship that had run it's course. Clark's life has taken a new direction, new job, new responsibilites and Lana (symbolically speaking) is part of the old life that he is trying to get away from. They're both starting to realize their potential and they know that it's taking them in different directions. And with new feelings beginning to arise between Clark and Lois----how could he really justify staying in a relationship with Lana while being obviously attracted to Lois?
I mean, in terms of a send-off episode......the writers have to work with what they're given and that doesn't always mean that there is sufficent closure between the characters. But, I think they did a good job. It was believable for me.

[mr lane]

While I do agree with Supsfan and Clana4Life that Clark would do whatever possible to find a cure for Lana--I think that perhaps Clark is starting to learn that he can't save everyone and I don't know if I believe that Lana really wants to BE saved. I think that leaving Smallville at the end of Season 7 and living her life apart from Clark enabled her to realize that she is capable of really great things. Now, with the Prometheus suit--virtually anything is possible.
It just seemed to me, that underneath it all, Clark and Lana knew that they were holding on to a relationship that had run it's course. Clark's life has taken a new direction, new job, new responsibilites and Lana (symbolically speaking) is part of the old life that he is trying to get away from. They're both starting to realize their potential and they know that it's taking them in different directions. And with new feelings beginning to arise between Clark and Lois----how could he really justify staying in a relationship with Lana while being obviously attracted to Lois?
I mean, in terms of a send-off episode......the writers have to work with what they're given and that doesn't always mean that there is sufficent closure between the characters. But, I think they did a good job. It was believable for me.

nice first post

and i agree that they both were holding onto a relationship that had ended long ago

as in the comics Lana was smallville and clark had to leave that part of his life to be superman so i also agree with Lana having a life that Clark is moving on from

I still think there could have been another form of closure though

[Starfire]

Clana and Lana deserved a decent send off but I thought giving Lana super powers was too extreme. I think it should have been their mutual decision to break up to. Clark should have made the choice to separate from Lana. Now Lois will look like second choice. I just can't see any way for it not to look like that.

[Wicked Lois]

=x

Thats a big ship, Cedric.

[Fallen One]

Clana/Lana's resolution was a big fail, Clara. ;)

[Wicked Lois]

You should respect the ship, Cedric.

[dcmarriott]

Haven't the writers created a probelm for themselves with this resolution, namely, how are they going to explain SuperLana's failure to come help the Justice League with her new superpowers? While she may not be able to be with Clark, what's stopping her from helping Green Arrow, or Aquaman, or the others?

Furthermore, this season's main villian is supposed to be Doomsday, who in SV continuity, is a kryptonian. So why doesn't SuperLana fight him? Presumably, her kryptonite suit would weaken him, just as it weakens other kryptonians. So isn't she the logical one to tackle him?

My problem with this 'resiolution' is that it leaves too much unresolved.

[__jb]

Furthermore, this season's main villian is supposed to be Doomsday, who in SV continuity, is a kryptonian. So why doesn't SuperLana fight him? Presumably, her kryptonite suit would weaken him, just as it weakens other kryptonians. So isn't she the logical one to tackle him? Great question!

[Clana4Life]

Haven't the writers created a probelm for themselves with this resolution, namely, how are they going to explain SuperLana's failure to come help the Justice League with her new superpowers? While she may not be able to be with Clark, what's stopping her from helping Green Arrow, or Aquaman, or the others?

Furthermore, this season's main villian is supposed to be Doomsday, who in SV continuity, is a kryptonian. So why doesn't SuperLana fight him? Presumably, her kryptonite suit would weaken him, just as it weakens other kryptonians. So isn't she the logical one to tackle him?

My problem with this 'resiolution' is that it leaves too much unresolved.


I don't think Doomsday is Kryptonian. I can't remember the exact verbiage, maybe someone else can quote it, but didn't his mother (Feora, or something like that) say that he was created, like in a test tube? He's a created destroyer, so I don't think that kryptonite has any affect on him. Bizarro was a created Kryptonian thing as well, and kryptonite only made him stronger. I don't think Lana's superspeed and superstrength would help in fighting Bizarro (Clark was no match for him while using his superstrength). As for helping the Justice League. Does she know about them? I don't remember anyone onscreen ever talking to her about the Justice League, but there are superheroes who don't work with the JL, right? Just look at all of the Marvel comic ones.

[mr lane]

I don't think Doomsday is Kryptonian. I can't remember the exact verbiage, maybe someone else can quote it, but didn't his mother (Feora, or something like that) say that he was created, like in a test tube? He's a created destroyer, so I don't think that kryptonite has any affect on him. Bizarro was a created Kryptonian thing as well, and kryptonite only made him stronger. I don't think Lana's superspeed and superstrength would help in fighting Bizarro (Clark was no match for him while using his superstrength). As for helping the Justice League. Does she know about them? I don't remember anyone onscreen ever talking to her about the Justice League, but there are superheroes who don't work with the JL, right? Just look at all of the Marvel comic ones.


Well Marvel comics are a whole other story

but she knows Oliver is the Green Arrow and she knows about Victor

it would only make sense that the JL would approach Lana about joining or at least make reference to it. Lana wants to supposedly help the world, why wouldn't she along side others?

Even though Lana may lack in the fight of fighting Doomsday again its only logical that her help would be show cased or acknowledged