Clana/Lana Resolution - All Discussion

[mr lane]

She destroyed it too.
Yes, that's correct and her intentions were to use the suit to help people.

What do you mean she should have known the suit had alterior motives? What does that have to do with her being heroic for abosorbing the kryptontie (which seperates her form Clark forever) to save the people of metropolis?

I can't reason with you because you can't be objective about this, since you obvisouly loathe Lana whatever she does.


I dont loathe Lana I just feel she could have been written better

how am i not being objective? all of Lana's actions up to this lead us to believe her to be something other than the farm girl next door she used to be.

Since this was her last episode I would have like to see some sort of closure that's all

[Kid Collins]

It was a cop out seriously how is Lois supposed to live up to Lana's meaning to Clark?

Lois isn't suppose to in this rendition of the mythos.

Lana has been set up from the very beginning to be the love of Clark's life ...soulmate in SV!

Lex rightly called them "Star crossed lovers" in Requiem.

Clois just can't compete with 7 years of Lana being Clark's love. The only way Clois can do that is with lightswitches that make absolutely no sense and not believable at all.

[mr lane]

Lois isn't suppose to in this rendition of the mythos.

Lana has been set up from the very beginning to be the love of Clark's life ...soulmate in SV!

Lex rightly called them "Star crossed lovers" in Requiem.

Clois just can't compete with 7 years of Lana being Clark's love. The only way Clois can do that is with lightswitches that make absolutely no sense and believable at all.

If Lana was supposed to be the love of Clark's life and soulmate in SV they should have ended the series in season 4 but instead we see them off and on again

until now when Lana's character has left the show.

[thehenry89]

Lois isn't suppose to in this rendition of the mythos.

Lana has been set up from the very beginning to be the love of Clark's life ...soulmate in SV!

Lex rightly called them "Star crossed lovers" in Requiem.

Clois just can't compete with 7 years of Lana being Clark's love. The only way Clois can do that is with lightswitches that make absolutely no sense and believable at all.

good bring on the lightswitches, that way when clark forgets all about his precious lana clana will be as disrespected as clois was.

[mr lane]

good bring on the lightswitches, that way when clark forgets all about his precious lana clana will be as disrespected as clois was.


couldnt have put it better myself

when lois comes back the writers will make the last 5 episodes seem like an AU

and clark will forget 7 years when HEX airs

and everyone will be like

?

but its expected after all

[Coyote]

HA HA HA HA Clark can't touch Lana! Lex gave her cooties!

[mr lane]

HA HA HA HA Clark can't touch Lana! Lex gave her cooties!


:lol:

Lex would be the one to end Clark and Lana

[velocity]

Ahh, Amanda, we should run over to SWEET. :) Everyone is happy and sad. Happy about the Clana love, sad that Lana had to go.
In any event, I thought it was bittersweet. Who says you can't love your high school sweetheart for the rest of your life? Loving someone you loved in high school doesn't mean you are regressing. There are many people who marry their high school sweethearts, so I find his argument rather illogical. I also don't argue with characters. If Clark has told us once, he's told us a million times that he loves her, that he's always loved her, that he always will love her. Why do we argue with the writers and really Clark, when it comes to this by saying he is in love with the idea of her? Clark has seen all of the bad and ugly, and yet he still loves her. Why are we still living in the past, when Clark and Lana could care less about that? They don't care about the past. They want to be together. They've both grown and changed. And again, they want to be together. Let's look at the intent of the writers. Let's look at the intent of the writers per what the actors have said. What they say goes. I know there's nothing we can do about perception, but there's something to be said for intention.
I'm glad that their are comic aficionados, but - and I mean this with all respect, what is that to us? Why is that relevant to SV, when they have changed the story so much? They are obviously not using comics as source material, so why do we keep saying this is what happened in the comics? It is not Comic Smallville. It's a reinterpretation, a story with loose ties to another text.
Oh yeah, it's so refreshing and such a relief to go there :)

True. What is displayed and said on screen is what the writers want to tell us, but of course people choose to percept it otherwise. It just really gets on my nerves sometimes.

I Agree with everything you said about the comics / SV.
Smallville has never been soley based on the comics. Lois wouldn't even be here, if that was the case.

The show have focused on his youth, and gone deeper than any movie/series/book/comic (correct me if i'm wrong here) So the character interaction, storylines etc is something the TPTB have created. Yeah, a reinterpretation, like you said. :D

Some people act as if Clana is some kind of uninvited obstacle for Clois.. when in fact Clana has always been the central romance on this show since day one.
I think it's only natural that Lana has been a huge part of Clark's life, since this is a show about Clark's youth.

[Kid Collins]

good bring on the lightswitches, that way when clark forgets all about his precious lana clana will be as disrespected as clois was.

How was Clois disrespected? Lois wasn't written into these episodes for a reason. TPTB didn't want to bring in a love triangle.

Lois was never meant to be the love of Clark's life in this show. The only reason why your getting a sniff of Clois is because KK decided to not renew her contract for this season.

If she was here, it would be Clana all the way. And Clois totally non existent.

[Clana4Life]

Lois isn't suppose to in this rendition of the mythos.

Lana has been set up from the very beginning to be the love of Clark's life ...soulmate in SV!

Lex rightly called them "Star crossed lovers" in Requiem.

Clois just can't compete with 7 years of Lana being Clark's love. The only way Clois can do that is with lightswitches that make absolutely no sense and not believable at all.

Agree. Agree. Agree. I would only add that it's been 8 years now! :)

[mr lane]

How was Clois disrespected? Lois wasn't written into these episodes for a reason. TPTB didn't want to bring in a love triangle.

Lois was never meant to be the love of Clark's life in this show. The only reason why your getting a sniff of Clois is because KK decided to not renew her contract for this season.

If she was here, it would be Clana all the way. And Clois totally non existent.

I think were getting a sniff of Clois because the writers put the cheese in front of us to smell

not saying it's going to happen as we all know the show is known for giving and taking

[thehenry89]

How was Clois disrespected? Lois wasn't written into these episodes for a reason. TPTB didn't want to bring in a love triangle.

Lois was never meant to be the love of Clark's life in this show. The only reason why your getting a sniff of Clois is because KK decided to not renew her contract for this season.

If she was here, it would be Clana all the way. And Clois totally non existent.

I guess this conjecture is based on facts? cuz I belive we've been getting Clois hints since season 4. Not to mention clark and lana were moving apart at the end of season seven anyway, these four episodes were written without lois, because lois would be out of place in this horrible arc, and Erica had other commitments.

[netlynn]

cuz I belive we've been getting Clois hints since season 4. Not to mention clark and lana were moving apart at the end of season seven anyway, these four episodes were written without lois, because lois would be out of place in this horrible arc, and Erica had other commitments.

Are you referring to the brother/sisterly connection we've seen between Clark/Lois? Because until this season that is all I get from them. (And even when they did show it earlier this year, it was way too forced and rushed, he is still in love with Lana.) This Lois is too brash for Clark, too smart lipped and not enough brain power to become the Lois and Clark couple of the comics. Isn't she supposed to be an award winning (or at least world renowned) reporter?? You can't rely on the weight of your boobs to accomplish that. :lol:

[thehenry89]

Are you referring to the brother/sisterly connection we've seen between Clark/Lois? Because until this season that is all I get from them. (And even when they did show it earlier this year, it was way too forced and rushed, he is still in love with Lana.) This Lois is too brash for Clark, too smart lipped and not enough brain power to become the Lois and Clark couple of the comics. Isn't she supposed to be an award winning reporter?? You can't rely on the weight of your boobs to accomplish that. :lol:

:rotfl: seriously, you can't defend your position so you result to insulting lois's cup size. Erica durance the actress is well endowed, Lois Lane the fictional charachter on SV is a good reporter who at least has a defined personality and moral compas. Not to mention she isn't a power hungry melo-dramatic, insecure child hidding behind a super suit.

As for the chemistry between lois and clark, your personal views on how they have interacted are subjective I haven't seen a brother sister vibe between them since season four. And speaking of subjective view points I havent seen a reason for lana and clark to still be in love since season 2, others may disagree and it is their right to do so, but if they want to justify their postion they'd better bring more than "Lois is dumb becasue she has big boobs" to the table.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Clark and Lana's ending was not the route I had envisioned, but it makes sense.
In the Comics, the Villians always rip apart the Superheroes' life and loves. Should we expect anything less from our SV Lex?

I am glad, Clana got to be really happy before the end, and I'm glad it was Clark that made the decision to save Metropolis.

Having their last scene together, in the Loft, was fitting and well acted by TW and KK.
It was also left open for a possible return for Lana. It was sad, but she's still alive.
(They can Text.)

So, I am satisfied with the conclusion of Lana's storyline, and actually enjoyed Requiem. Especially all the references to earlier Seasons. This is the 1st time Lana has worn her necklace, since it got neutralized by Clark's Ship! Awesome!

That necklace was a Character itself. Clark 1st realized, from the necklace, that Green-K could harm him and that lead could protect him from it's effects. (Lex's lead Dragon Box)

Lana also made reference to the Graveyard scene in the "Pilot". Nice continuity.:)

I'm excited to see what happens next!

[amberdawn]

Lois isn't suppose to in this rendition of the mythos.

If you're gonna make that argument, Lex shouldn't be in it either. Neither should the Justice League, etc.

[mr lane]

:rotfl: seriously, you can't defend your position so you result to insulting lois's cup size. Erica durance the actress is well endowed, Lois Lane the fictional charachter on SV is a good reporter who at least has a defined personality and moral compas. Not to mention she isn't a power hungry melo-dramatic, insecure child hidding behind a super suit.

As for the chemistry between lois and clark, your personal views on how they have interacted are subjective I haven't seen a brother sister vibe between them since season four. And speaking of subjective view points I havent seen a reason for lana and clark to still be in love since season 2, others may disagree and it is their right to do so, but if they want to justify their postion they'd better bring more than "Lois is dumb becasue she has big boobs" to the table.

:lol: agreed opinions should be supported by more than by insulting the physical appearance of the character

And i sure was getting a brother/sister vibe in Hydro when Clark clearly enjoyed Lois kissing him

and what has Lana been doing while Lois has been working her way up as a reporter? other than chopping her hair like GI JANE and wearing a suite that makes Clark fall over

[netlynn]

Lois Lane the fictional charachter on SV is a good reporter who at least has a defined personality and moral compas.

Seriously?? That must be why she was writing for the tabloid magazine. Or it may be why she was hired with no experience at the DP, only as Julian's sex buddy. Or it could when she was totally clueless as to why Tess wanted to give her a raise. Yeah. This Lois is such a fine reporter. :rolleyes:

[thehenry89]

Seriously?? That must be why she was writing for the tabloid magazine. Or it may be why she was hired with no experience at the DP, only as Julian's sex buddy. Or it could when she was totally clueless as to why Tess wanted to give her a raise. Yeah. This Lois is such a fine reporter. :rolleyes:

Well if I'm expected to take an 14 year old coffee shop owner, turned paris art student who has an affair with a teacher, and then becomes an astronomy major only to break up with her boyfriend and continually kill herself like a cutter, then sleeps with lex luthour and marries him, then wants him dead, then kidnaps his father and beats him with a shovel, fakes her death and steals 10 million dollars, and sleeps with a clone of her boyfriend and prefers the clone to the real thng...then I don't find anything so far fetched about Lois's personality.

[llk6165]

From now on, Lois will be nothing but a substitute, because Clark cannot have Lana.

Were there spoilers to that effet? I haven't been checking that. Lois will only be a substitute if some AU depicts it that way. I'm not so much into AU, but perhaps some people enjoy it. Most people have other serious relationships before the final big soulmate one. So the last few weeks have not been a big deal to me. Clark felt bad after his other relationships, and he got over them. Clark felt bad after all his prior breakups with Lana, but he got over them. I think he will be able to get over Lana, because in Power he even admitted he moved on. I have not seen any hints in SV that this time will be any different than all the others. The only difference is that in the last couple eppys Lana has powers . Therefore, if Clark cannot move on, then the only reason would be because of that. If that is the reason, since that is the only difference from all the other breakups then he really did not love her as a soulmate, but just because she has powers and he fears being with a nonjuiced up human.

[myankskent]

Clark felt bad after all his prior breakups with Lana, but he got over them.


He got over the breakups, but he never got over Lana since he kept wanting to date her. With this situation, it's the same thing except for the fact that TPTB conveniently made it impossible for Clark to pursue Lana again and that is the main problem. It's not about what Clark wants or the choices he makes, it's about an outside force controlling him and I think that is despicable.

[zanaamen]

If Romeo and Juliet didnt exist, Clana would be the legend of Clark and Lana
even now its

[Dominicus]

If Romeo and Juliet didnt exist, Clana would be the legend of Clark and Lana
even now itsIt's not even close, Clark and Lana are not star crossed lovers that can only be together in death. They are not soulmates, misguided with a false idea is more like it. You confuse first love with soul mate.

[LoisL]

It's so weird. I hated last week's Clana; I spend this season bemoaning the quagmire that IMO S8 Clois is (I didn't like the 'lightswitches' even tho I personally have always felt Clois were on the precipice of falling in love almost since Day 1). Yet suddenly, with last night's episode, I am at peace with the world.

Everything makes sense! Beautifully, in both a convoluted comic-booky world view and in a specifically SmallvilleTV POV. It's like these darn confounding writers have finally revealed their last hand (wrt Clana) and boy is it an eye-opener! :) Good for them! I just hope the season finale is as satisfying wrt Superman.

For SV fans, Lana has now officially joined the ranks of Khyla (S2) and Alicia (S4) of Clark's past tragic 'super' romances, only more so larger-than-life. For comicbook fans (atleast those that appreciate the older ages), SV has placed Lana among the annals of Lori Lemaris, Lyla Lerrol, and Luma Lynai ---> the tantalizing super-powered beauties that gripped Superman in dramatic doomed romances, all passing on their separate ways to leave the Man of Steel believing that love was impossible for him.

This is the true beauty of Clois, in the Silver Age of comics and in SV. That here is this Superman who lives larger than life, who loves larger than life, who again and again loses larger than life (Krypton, Smallville, superhero girlfriends, etc), who's an orphaned alien etc. and committed to a lonely life of larger than life crime-fighting,.... This gilded golden lonely statue of a man was proved unreachable by glamorous adoring women......except for one unique, maddeningly human, ridiculous, inconvenient, often unromantic!, completely unsuperpowered woman that improbably amazingly sometimes annoyingly surmounted the unsurmountable and proved to Superman that he was not alone.

Sometimes she had to stalk him. :p Other times she had to throw things at his head. Usually she nagged at him. But she was incredible. She was there to stick by him as Clark Kent's coworker and Superman's #1 fan/special correspondent/Most Saved Civilian.

Lois Lane is the woman that could.

[ginnyfan]

If Romeo and Juliet didnt exist, Clana would be the legend of Clark and Lana
even now its

I actually agree with the comparison. The writers are trying to make Lana and Clark star crossed lovers. However, one key difference is that "Romeo and Juliet" didn't hide the faults of the lovers. Juliet was too young to envision living without the protection of her father... or see beyond the consequences of a fortnight. Romeo's mentor - the friar - told him how foolish and changeable he was in great detail. No one on Smallville seems to see or tell Lana about her faults. Everyone just praises her as a great hero. Well... not Oliver but... they'll fix that when Lana returns in Season 9.

Romeo and Juliet are not perfect. They have serious flaws that... if they had lived beyond the few weeks of the story Shakespeare wrote, would have probably made them unhappy. Shakespeare hints at their love being less than ideal throughout the play. A fitting name for Romeo and Juliet would be "The Gigolo and the Idealistic Virgin." I say this as a HUGE Romeo and Juliet fan. Another thing about Romeo and Juliet is that it happened fast. Dragging this kind of love out for 8 years just... LOL! It's stretching the genre. But I wonder... if there had been no objection to their love... if Romeo would have lost interest and Juliet had her heart broken like Rosaline. Seems that this type of love thrives on the obstacles.

For an eight year love... I would prefer a comparison more mature. A happiness more enduring... like the break up at the end of "The Way We Were." Much more romantic and mature than tortured love IMO. I'm not saying "Romeo and Juliet" isn't romantic. It's just that once you get past the teen years... it's just not... pretty. But hey... if I'd been watching Smallville at age 13 instead of Franco Zefferelli's Romeo and Juliet... I'd probably be a die hard Clana fan and compare Clana to Shakespeare more readily.

ETA: Beautiful post Sarah! :D

[LoveHurts38]

I dont care, I just want to get on with the rest of the season.

[Sunny8]

Good thing the writers didn't have clark invest in some blue kryptonite. If he had that he could negate the kryptonite coming from lana(making himself human) thus subjecting us to even more super lana

Maybe he wasn't willing to give up his powers for her.

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Did anyone else think that was a little gross? I really had to turn away, not because it was Clana kissing, but the fact that Clark's face was changing colors and about to fall off. It was just weird...
Maybe it was just me.

The kiss showed how toxic Lana is, and always has been to Clark. It was symbolic really. They should have named this episode, 'Toxic'.

[Dominicus]

Lois isn't suppose to in this rendition of the mythos.

Lana has been set up from the very beginning to be the love of Clark's life ...soulmate in SV!

Lex rightly called them "Star crossed lovers" in Requiem.

Clois just can't compete with 7 years of Lana being Clark's love. The only way Clois can do that is with lightswitches that make absolutely no sense and not believable at all.

I love how people conveniently turn a blind eye to what suits their purpose, rather personal wants. You clearly are infatuated with the Clana invented theme, which has blinded you from the teasing developing romance of Clark and Lois since season4. Lana isn't suppose to be in this rendition, rather adaptation of the mythos. that argument can go both ways. But since they working at the daily planet and are reporters that remark is invalid, and Clana no longer relevant.

7 years lol someone has high blinded hope. Really, I saw no soulmate. I did see Clark marry a girl who tried to kill Lana, goes to show how deep and strong their love was. Even after the effects of red kryptonite. Which is amusing within itself, because red kryptonite only brings out repressed feelings. I remember in Hypnotic, Clark making out with a Simone in front of Lana and dumped her without a thought. I also recall the same hypnotic tactic being used this season in instinct, however Lois broke the hold. The title instinct, as in natural, is what the direction has been trying to convey to the audience since season4.

Soulmates are drawn together no matter what, not separate once they meet, they would do anything to stay together, even die just for that purpose.
Lana and Clark were together briefly on and off. Every time when their love was put to the test, they buckled under the pressure, she couldn't withstand and gave up, just like in Requiem. Lana loved and married lex, Whitney, Teague, and cheated on Clark with a obvious copy Bizarro etc.
Their relation was not consistent of seven years, turning a bind eye to the obvious.
If we're going to bring in mythos, none of these relationships existed, especially Clana. Don't use mythos contradicting fashion or self-righteously.

Who says that was Lex? He said it oozing in mockery, and who honestly cares what a disgruntled Lex taunts? As if it's a creditable testimonial lol. It's a common poetic taunt, and simply bad writing because of its cliche’d ridiculous reference.

BTW: Chloe and Clark have the brother and sister relationship, she is more the character Lana is supposed to be. It was clear from season4's devoted that Lois and Clark were different from anything remotely like that, and Chloe's epiphanic envious expression revealed that fact.

You should really pay attention to the interaction, instead of using personal wants to dissect what was clearly put there for a purpose as to insight. reference and difference. Clark and Lois are bigger then that, Clark and Lois are bigger then Clana. There's a reason for seaon8's quotes in Bloodline. Clark clearly stated to Lois, but mainly to the skeptical and devoted viewers to rest assure that "No one's gonna mess with Lois and Clark." And Lois has the fan's response "They better not." That was to prepare for the Lana arc, in case anyone lost hope or doubted. This is typical of writers as to clues of what they're thinking and where they plan on going with the story. Lana and Clark are now history that leaves a bitter taste on purpose, if there’s a ninth-season, it will be resolved mutually. The onlt thing that wasn't believable was this last arc and the ratings proved it.

[Sunny8]

... I still don't understand why this show treats the Lana character the way it does. I really don't get it. They've turned her into a superhero who radiates kryptonite. That's just laughable to me. There's nothing in the entire eight years of SV to indicate that Lana wanted to be a superhero. So now all of a sudden, this is her life's dream?

On 11/27/08, I wrote this at http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4203118&postcount=87 in an analysis of Clark and Lana's relationship throughout the seasons. To me this also can explain Lana's character and why she acts like she does:


Season 8-Lana shows up in 'Bride'. She now seems to be fighting crime, I guess. It seems she always defined herself by the man she was with at the time (that is why she needed to know Clark's secret so badly because she needed to know the real him to be like him). Since the last man she was with (Clark) is a superhero she appears to have taken on that persona I suppose. Of course, I could be wrong since I have only seen her in the one episode this season.

What a shame I was right. She does define herself by the man she is with at the time.

From the same passage I wrote:


At least she seemed to have matured, though. Clark also. I don't think he is still stuck on her as much as before. I think he is still hurt about the way she just left him without talking with him face to face. Either way, he has to be able to find closure in his relationship with Lana.

Aside from the relationship between Clark and Lana, I am really hoping that since this season has been so well written that the writers do a good job with Lana. I have disliked her character in the past because she was written so horribly in past seasons. But I did kind of like her more in the 'Bride' episode, so hopefully she will be a much better Lana for the next few episodes that she is in.

What a shame I was wrong.

[globalbudd3]

As I posted in another topic, I thought they should have had a better resolution with the ending of this relationship that has been going on since the beginning. The reason provided was fine but probably will never be satisfactory.

My ending was to have Clark found out that the "real" Lana died and that this was her clone. Since this is not the real Lana, Clark would always love her but can not be together because she is technically not alive. Ofcourse, the clone Lana does not know that she is not real...and life goes on...

[Sunny8]

When Chloe told Clark about living in the past (Lex related) I couldn't help thinking it fitted so well to his relationship with Lana.

I believed that she was referring to the Clark/Lana relationship as well. Of course, she was afraid to say that to him though, because he would have verbally attacked her.

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As I've said on other threads, TPTB needed to make sure that the Clana breakup was about the feelings that they had for each other. Instead, TPTB chose another contrived way to keep Clana apart while they both still wanted to be together.

What makes matters worse is that this show has been very consistent with the Clana relationship over the years. They have broken up before, many times, and after every single breakup, they always found their way back to each other. This particular aspect of their relationship needed to be addressed and unfortunately, TPTB chose to make kryptonite the main reason why they won't be together again. It's not closure and it certainly raises the question about whether or not they will be together in the future if Lana were to get cured.

Lois will stop this nonsense. If Lana does have a cure, Clark will already be so in love with Lois that it would not make a difference.

[myankskent]

Lois will stop this nonsense. If Lana does have a cure, Clark will already be so in love with Lois that it would not make a difference.

It doesn't matter. The damage would already be done. Here's the facts of Smallville. Lois has been on this show now for five years and for most of that time, Clark has shown no interest in her, except for this season. Clark, obviously, has wanted Lana. This season, Clois have a near kiss and as soon as Lana comes back, Clark pays no attention to Lois and starts a relationship with Lana. The relationship plays out in such a way where Clark is in love with Lana and is forced to breakup with her because of kryptonite. Now, you tell me...how does it look for Clark to go from paying Lois no attention/starting up a relationship with Lana to falling in love with Lois only after Lana becomes kryptonite infected? Does that look like a convincing romance?

[Sunny8]

Now, you tell me...how does it look for Clark to go from paying Lois no attention/starting up a relationship with Lana to falling in love with Lois only after Lana becomes kryptonite infected? Does that look like a convincing romance?

The Lois/Clark stuff does not have to happen right away. At first I did not think so, but yes, I am convinced of their romance. Lois also has a first love she had to get over (Wes, I think), so she knows how difficult that is. Whether or not Clark wants to stay in love with Lana, the fact is, he won't. Out of sight, out of mind. Her coming back when he is so in love with Lois won't matter.

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It's so weird. I hated last week's Clana; I spend this season bemoaning the quagmire that IMO S8 Clois is (I didn't like the 'lightswitches' even tho I personally have always felt Clois were on the precipice of falling in love almost since Day 1). Yet suddenly, with last night's episode, I am at peace with the world.

Everything makes sense! Beautifully, in both a convoluted comic-booky world view and in a specifically SmallvilleTV POV. It's like these darn confounding writers have finally revealed their last hand (wrt Clana) and boy is it an eye-opener! :) Good for them! I just hope the season finale is as satisfying wrt Superman.

For SV fans, Lana has now officially joined the ranks of Khyla (S2) and Alicia (S4) of Clark's past tragic 'super' romances, only more so larger-than-life. For comicbook fans (atleast those that appreciate the older ages), SV has placed Lana among the annals of Lori Lemaris, Lyla Lerrol, and Luma Lynai ---> the tantalizing super-powered beauties that gripped Superman in dramatic doomed romances, all passing on their separate ways to leave the Man of Steel believing that love was impossible for him.

This is the true beauty of Clois, in the Silver Age of comics and in SV. That here is this Superman who lives larger than life, who loves larger than life, who again and again loses larger than life (Krypton, Smallville, superhero girlfriends, etc), who's an orphaned alien etc. and committed to a lonely life of larger than life crime-fighting,.... This gilded golden lonely statue of a man was proved unreachable by glamorous adoring women......except for one unique, maddeningly human, ridiculous, inconvenient, often unromantic!, completely unsuperpowered woman that improbably amazingly sometimes annoyingly surmounted the unsurmountable and proved to Superman that he was not alone.

Sometimes she had to stalk him. :p Other times she had to throw things at his head. Usually she nagged at him. But she was incredible. She was there to stick by him as Clark Kent's coworker and Superman's #1 fan/special correspondent/Most Saved Civilian.

Lois Lane is the woman that could.

Great post:) with good info.

[MozartRequiem]

"The Lois/Clark stuff does not have to happen right away. At first I did not think so, but yes, I am convinced of their romance. Lois also has a first love she had to get over (Wes, I think), so she knows how difficult that is. Whether or not Clark wants to stay in love with Lana, the fact is, he won't. Out of sight, out of mind. Her coming back when he is so in love with Lois won't matter."

Exactly! If someone loses their loved one to death or disease or anything else that physically separates them, and then that person finds another love, then that second love shouldn't be disregarded as "second best". Rather, it could be what fate had intended all along.

[L'or]

:rotfl: seriously, you can't defend your position so you result to insulting lois's cup size. Erica durance the actress is well endowed, Lois Lane the fictional charachter on SV is a good reporter who at least has a defined personality and moral compas. Not to mention she isn't a power hungry melo-dramatic, insecure child hidding behind a super suit.

As for the chemistry between lois and clark, your personal views on how they have interacted are subjective I haven't seen a brother sister vibe between them since season four. And speaking of subjective view points I havent seen a reason for lana and clark to still be in love since season 2, others may disagree and it is their right to do so, but if they want to justify their postion they'd better bring more than "Lois is dumb becasue she has big boobs" to the table.
THANK YOU.


Well if I'm expected to take an 14 year old coffee shop owner, turned paris art student who has an affair with a teacher, and then becomes an astronomy major only to break up with her boyfriend and continually kill herself like a cutter, then sleeps with lex luthour and marries him, then wants him dead, then kidnaps his father and beats him with a shovel, fakes her death and steals 10 million dollars, and sleeps with a clone of her boyfriend and prefers the clone to the real thng...then I don't find anything so far fetched about Lois's personality.
And THANK YOU.

[unfocused]

It wasn't good closure for either of them. They will die wondering "what could have been."

They're saying it's ironic that Lana has literally become Clark's Kryptonite. I say it's poetically tragic. And in it's own cruel way, beautiful.

It's a sad ending to their relationship. But I have to say, it was also perfect. Clark's greatest enemy, whom we may never see again, is responsible for this. In a way, Lex wins this battle. And it's a win that Lex will always have against Clark.

[Dominicus]

It wasn't good closure for either of them. They will die wondering "what could have been."

They're saying it's ironic that Lana has literally become Clark's Kryptonite. I say it's poetically tragic. And in it's own cruel way, beautiful.

It's a sad ending to their relationship. But I have to say, it was also perfect. Clark's greatest enemy, whom we may never see again, is responsible for this. In a way, Lex wins this battle. And it's a win that Lex will always have against Clark.Maybe lana will worry about what could've been. But Clark is destined to move on. :cool: Then again, Lana is also destined to move with Pete.

[velocity]

I love how people conveniently turn a blind eye to what suits their purpose, rather personal wants. You clearly are infatuated with the Clana invented theme, which has blinded you from the teasing developing romance of Clark and Lois since season4. Lana isn't suppose to be in this rendition, rather adaptation of the mythos. that argument can go both ways. But since they working at the daily planet and are reporters that remark is invalid, and Clana no longer relevant.

7 years lol someone has high blinded hope. Really, I saw no soulmate. I did see Clark marry a girl who tried to kill Lana, goes to show how deep and strong their love was. Even after the effects of red kryptonite. Which is amusing within itself, because red kryptonite only brings out repressed feelings. I remember in Hypnotic, Clark making out with a Simone in front of Lana and dumped her without a thought. I also recall the same hypnotic tactic being used this season in instinct, however Lois broke the hold. The title instinct, as in natural, is what the direction has been trying to convey to the audience since season4.

Soulmates are drawn together no matter what, not separate once they meet, they would do anything to stay together, even die just for that purpose.
Lana and Clark were together briefly on and off. Every time when their love was put to the test, they buckled under the pressure, she couldn't withstand and gave up, just like in Requiem. Lana loved and married lex, Whitney, Teague, and cheated on Clark with a obvious copy Bizarro etc.
Their relation was not consistent of seven years, turning a bind eye to the obvious.
If we're going to bring in mythos, none of these relationships existed, especially Clana. Don't use mythos contradicting fashion or self-righteously.

Who says that was Lex? He said it oozing in mockery, and who honestly cares what a disgruntled Lex taunts? As if it's a creditable testimonial lol. It's a common poetic taunt, and simply bad writing because of its cliche’d ridiculous reference.

BTW: Chloe and Clark have the brother and sister relationship, she is more the character Lana is supposed to be. It was clear from season4's devoted that Lois and Clark were different from anything remotely like that, and Chloe's epiphanic envious expression revealed that fact.

You should really pay attention to the interaction, instead of using personal wants to dissect what was clearly put there for a purpose as to insight. reference and difference. Clark and Lois are bigger then that, Clark and Lois are bigger then Clana. There's a reason for seaon8's quotes in Bloodline. Clark clearly stated to Lois, but mainly to the skeptical and devoted viewers to rest assure that "No one's gonna mess with Lois and Clark." And Lois has the fan's response "They better not." That was to prepare for the Lana arc, in case anyone lost hope or doubted. This is typical of writers as to clues of what they're thinking and where they plan on going with the story. Lana and Clark are now history that leaves a bitter taste on purpose, if there’s a ninth-season, it will be resolved mutually. The onlt thing that wasn't believable was this last arc and the ratings proved it.
I think it's called an opinion, and a matter of how you percept things, but if you insist on calling it "turning a blind eye" - Don't you realize you are doing the exact same thing here? Belittling Clana's importance on this show, because of your personal wants.
Comparing Clana and Clois on this show, at this point..is practically like comparing Martha's attraction / feelings for Lionel to the love she had/has for Jonathan.

All the things they have been through, and now this ending in Requiem.
They were forced apart, and Clark was risking his life to hold her and kiss her one last time. It can't be compared with the occasional Clois-wink to the future, especially when there has been close to nothing to show for it. There was the almost kiss, that Clark soon forgot when Lana came back..there was no sign whatsoever of him hesitating getting back together with Lana because of Lois. So, I don't understand how anyone can say that Clois is bigger than Clana on Smallville. This show is originally about his youth, and it's only natural that Lana plays a bigger part in his life. The comics yes.. Lana was his high school sweetheart, and not nearly as important to Clark romantically. But Lois wasn't even there during Clark's youth. However, for me.. the comics are on thing and Smallville is another..so I don't find it relevant to talk about the comics. I percept what i see, and don't think about how it's "supposed to be" originally.

What I love about Clark and Lana is that their romance is both magic and tragic.. it's devastating yet absolutely beautiful. How they always managed to find their way back to each other despite everything. The misunderstandings, the hesitations, the "betrayals".
I really do see them as star-crossed lovers, no matter how much they love and wanna be with eachother..it never seems to quite turn out right and there is always something tearing them apart - But it's never their love for one another that fails.

[hero`s passion]

I think it was not THAT bad, that I was expected, and without that Clark`s last "pain kiss", it was ok...I think if they REALLY wanted to be together they would find the way to do it, but they didn`t want to, so I guess that Clark finally let her go, so Clois now will be just fine for me, I don`t support the "second choice" theory, so I think they handled with that mess...))))))))))) IMO

[Kid Collins]

It wasn't good closure for either of them. They will die wondering "what could have been."

They're saying it's ironic that Lana has literally become Clark's Kryptonite. I say it's poetically tragic. And in it's own cruel way, beautiful.

It's a sad ending to their relationship. But I have to say, it was also perfect. Clark's greatest enemy, whom we may never see again, is responsible for this. In a way, Lex wins this battle. And it's a win that Lex will always have against Clark.

PS3 honored what MilesMillar had planned for how Clana would end in the final episode. A bittersweet ending is what Gough promised and that's what PS3 delivered.

And I said in the spoiler section that Lex would be responsible for the Clana breakup and that will be the reason why Clark hates Lex and they become mortal enemies.

That's how MilesMillar always planned for the Clark/Lana/Lex triangle. Everything came full circle in this episode for these 3 characters.

[darkone]

PS3 honored what MilesMillar had planned for how Clana would end in the final episode. A bittersweet ending is what Gough promised and that's what PS3 delivered.

And I said in the spoiler section that Lex would be responsible for the Clana breakup and that will be the reason why Clark hates Lex and they become mortal enemies.

That's how MilesMillar always planned for the Clark/Lana/Lex triangle. Everything came full circle in this episode for these 3 characters.

I agree 100%. They wanted each of one of them connected to each other by the end. There's something epic about this triangle.

[melissan02]

It doesn't matter. The damage would already be done. Here's the facts of Smallville. Lois has been on this show now for five years and for most of that time, Clark has shown no interest in her, except for this season. Clark, obviously, has wanted Lana. This season, Clois have a near kiss and as soon as Lana comes back, Clark pays no attention to Lois and starts a relationship with Lana. The relationship plays out in such a way where Clark is in love with Lana and is forced to breakup with her because of kryptonite. Now, you tell me...how does it look for Clark to go from paying Lois no attention/starting up a relationship with Lana to falling in love with Lois only after Lana becomes kryptonite infected? Does that look like a convincing romance?

From one Yankee fan to another;) (just judging by your avi)....

ICAM w/ this post! Doesn't seem like a convincing romance to me....and I'm not going to put faith in PS3 to do damage control on this mess!!!:rolleyes:

[unfocused]

Maybe lana will worry about what could've been. But Clark is destined to move on. :cool: Then again, Lana is also destined to move with Pete.
Apparently you don't know what the term "what could've been" means... it's the pondering of a time that has been moved on from. Also, please don't talk to me anymore.


PS3 honored what MilesMillar had planned for how Clana would end in the final episode. A bittersweet ending is what Gough promised and that's what PS3 delivered.

And I said in the spoiler section that Lex would be responsible for the Clana breakup and that will be the reason why Clark hates Lex and they become mortal enemies.

That's how MilesMillar always planned for the Clark/Lana/Lex triangle. Everything came full circle in this episode for these 3 characters.
I have to agree. And I think it was done very well. The creators of the show deserved this as much as the characters involved.


I agree 100%. They wanted each of one of them connected to each other by the end. There's something epic about this triangle.
There really is. And the fact that it's a Smallville exclusive, such as Davis, Chloe and Alicia, is quite awesome ;)


It doesn't matter. The damage would already be done. Here's the facts of Smallville. Lois has been on this show now for five years and for most of that time, Clark has shown no interest in her, except for this season. Clark, obviously, has wanted Lana. This season, Clois have a near kiss and as soon as Lana comes back, Clark pays no attention to Lois and starts a relationship with Lana. The relationship plays out in such a way where Clark is in love with Lana and is forced to breakup with her because of kryptonite. Now, you tell me...how does it look for Clark to go from paying Lois no attention/starting up a relationship with Lana to falling in love with Lois only after Lana becomes kryptonite infected? Does that look like a convincing romance?

This doesn't look like a convincing argument. I'm sorry but this statement pretty much means that no one can have a convincing romance after a love loss. And that isn't true.

However, I do agree with you that if Clark suddenly starts up a romance with Lois soon after, without allowing a little time to recover, then I wouldn't be convinced that his feelings for Lois are real. But if Clark moves on from Lana, and then starts having feelings for Lois afterward, then there is nothing wrong with that. Most people lose their first love, but find an even greater love after. The reason is because they move on from their love loss. And Clark will move on. He did in the comics.

[Bizarrolover]

Though I don't like how this episode portrayed Clark, I think Lana's story has a strong moral sense. You can't have everything, sometimes the price to pay for absolute power is too high. Weather Lex planned this outcome or not (I think he did), the instrument that Lana used to bring her closer to Clark is what finally separated her from him, forever. Very Icarus.

[Dominicus]

Apparently you don't know what the term "what could've been" means... it's the pondering of a time that has been moved on from. Also, please don't talk to me anymore.

:rolleyes: Talking to you? What an ego. Grow up it's a forum, I'm responded to a statement nothing more. Think I like reading your invented comments, no. But i don't tell you to stop writing them. You're entitled to write it as I'm entitled to respond to it.

[unfocused]

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[myankskent]

This doesn't look like a convincing argument. I'm sorry but this statement pretty much means that no one can have a convincing romance after a love loss. And that isn't true.


We're not talking about some random couple in the world here, we're talking about Clois.



However, I do agree with you that if Clark suddenly starts up a romance with Lois soon after, without allowing a little time to recover, then I wouldn't be convinced that his feelings for Lois are real. But if Clark moves on from Lana, and then starts having feelings for Lois afterward, then there is nothing wrong with that. Most people lose their first love, but find an even greater love after. The reason is because they move on from their love loss. And Clark will move on. He did in the comics.

And this is the problem right here. The comparisons to the comics is a major issue that I have as far as Clois is concerned on Smallville. In the comics, Clark wasn't forced to breakup with Lana because of kryptonite and their relationship didn't end with both of them wanting to be with each other. There wasn't a history of Lois being around where Clark went after Lana for years. There wasn't a near kiss between Clois followed by Clark starting up another relationship with Lana.

I understand the argument that a person can get over their love for someone and find a better love with someone else and if we weren't talking about the iconic Clois relationship here, I'd totally agree with it. But IMO, if we are going to talk about the iconic Clois relationship, I have to say that the setup on Smallville is not it and all you have to do is compare it to the comic books and the difference is fairly obvious, IMO.

[unfocused]

I don't think I'm quite understanding what you're saying. Clark can move on and have a convincing relationship with any other woman, but not Lois?

And you still don't think the Clois relationship will be convincing even if Clark moves on, and his feelings for Lana are gone? So in theory, Clark cannot have a convincing relationship with Lois fifty years from now, long after he has moved on from Lana?

I cannot disagree more.

[Cogito17]

I agree with unfocused.

No matter how deep the connection with Lana, it does not preclude him from someday having a deeper connection with Lois.

If there is one thing fans love more than watching Smallville... it's getting indignant about Smallville.

[unfocused]

Ain't it the truth? :)

[chlo-el]

This was a horrible way to end Clana finally. It's awful. They should have come to the conclusion on their own that they aren't right for eachother. This just keeps that whole pictur perfect image of her in Clark's mind. By forcing him to stay away it only makes him not to be able to get over her at all. How is he ever going to get over her when he was forced to stay away? He was forcced out of it. And his mind no girl could measure up. How could they? Lana left a martyr and without a choice.

[myankskent]

I don't think I'm quite understanding what you're saying. Clark can move on and have a convincing relationship with any other woman, but not Lois?

And you still don't think the Clois relationship will be convincing even if Clark moves on, and his feelings for Lana are gone? So in theory, Clark cannot have a convincing relationship with Lois fifty years from now, long after he has moved on from Lana?

I cannot disagree more.

No, what I'm saying is that the Clois relationship in the Smallville universe will forever be tainted based on the Clana breakup.

Let me put it another way so you can really understand where I am coming from here. I view "Requiem" as a series finale, in a way, because it features the final Clana breakup, or at least that is what we are led to believe right now. Let's say that in the series finale, Clark goes to the FOS to see Jor-El. What would you say if Jor-El told Clark to put on the Superman suit and become Superman and Clark was completely against it? And then when Clark refused to do it, Jor-El threatened to kill him with kryptonite if he didn't? Then, the final shot that we see is Clark flying out of the FOS with the Superman suit on while having a disgusted look on his face. This...is how I view the Clana breakup. There's no choice for Clark in both situations. If he decided to stay with Lana, he'd be dead and if he didn't put on the Superman suit, he'd be dead. In both situations, Clark's future as superman and Clark's future romantic life would be tainted for me. What about you?

[unfocused]

That's not a very good comparison. A better comparison would be to have Clark getting over his feelings about not wanting to become Superman, and then finally becoming Superman, on his own. Because he will get over Lana. And he will fall in love with Lois on his own.

I understand what you are trying to say now. But I completely disagree with it. Clark will not be forced to be with Lois because of his breakup with Lana. His relationship with Lois won't be tainted at all. No relationship can be tainted by a previous relationship as long as the person moves on from that previous relationship, iconic or random.

[myankskent]

That's not a very good comparison. A better comparison would be to have Clark getting over his feelings about not wanting to become Superman, and then finally becoming Superman, on his own. Because he will get over Lana. And he will fall in love with Lois on his own.


With the Superman example, he can't become Superman on his own because Jor-El would be forcing him to become Superman. He will be forced to adjust to a life of being superman even though it's not something that he wanted and he will be forced to adjust to a life without Lana even though that is not something that he wanted.



Clark will not be forced to be with Lois because of his breakup with Lana.


I never said that Clark will be forced to be with Lois. I said that Clark will be forced to move on from Lana, even though that is not something that he chose.

[SGuthrie27]

No, I'm not satisfied with the resolution of Clana. I do think they needed to bring Lana back, since there was no closure in their relationship in the way that Season 7 ended it. I do think there may have even been cause for the pair to reevaluate the possibility of a relationship, though I don't think it should've gone nearly as far as it did. A kiss or two between them to test the waters? Sure. Giving Lana super-powers and making her and Clark break the bed and basically having Clark declare his desire to spend the rest of his life with her once again when only four episodes ago he was developing feelings for Lois? Not so much. And the method in which they were "forever separated" was lame beyond words. I saw it coming a mile away after watching the preview last week. The two of them should have parted because it was their mutual decision, not a forced break-up, which is basically what happened in Season 7 as revealed in "Power." So, yay for there being a return of Lana and a reexamination of Clana, and a big whopping NAY to HOW they pulled it off.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[thehenry89]

With the Superman example, he can't become Superman on his own because Jor-El would be forcing him to become Superman. He will be forced to adjust to a life of being superman even though it's not something that he wanted and he will be forced to adjust to a life without Lana even though that is not something that he wanted.



I never said that Clark will be forced to be with Lois. I said that Clark will be forced to move on from Lana, even though that is not something that he chose.

The way I see it is that things happen for a reason. If we are to belive the fate angle the PS3 have given us then lana and clark were not meant to be together. So I have no problem with any future clois relationship, because if the "gods, goddesses" whatever don't want lana and clark together than that means that they want Lois and clark together. That's the universe the PTB have created for us, so i'm just gonna roll with it :).

[Clana4Life]

Dominicus, some first loves are soul mates. The two do not have to be mutually exclusive. Lana is the one whom Clark loved and wanted to be with but couldn't. It wasn't his choice not to be with her and it wasn't her choice not to be with him. For all the talk of a dysfunctional relationship - these two didn't see it that way. I don't see it that way. Clark said and I quote: "What we have is beautiful." From the Kryptonian's mouth. It's of little importance how fans choose to perceive this line or the Clana relationship (at least to me). Very little interpretation is needed when characters can speak for themselves. It's of great importance how the characters themselves perceive the relationship, because I believe they know how they feel better than anyone else. Lana is what she is to Clark. At this moment, the woman he loves - per his words. Will he date someone else in the future - maybe. I'm not talking about comics, I'm talking about SV where anything can happen. He may date Lois. Regardless, he will still love Lana and carry her in his heart and I do believe from time to time he will wonder what could have been. Especially when he hears about her saving the world in different places all over the world - he'll wonder what could have been. I don't judge him for that. It's only natural when the situation is what it is. If I were pulled apart from someone whom I loved due to let's just say a war - and he was forever stuck in another country, whether I moved on or not, I would wonder what might have been. That's Clana right now. The thing to wonder about is if she ever finds a way to expel the kryptonite from her suit, what might still be? Again, not referring to comics - but to Smallville and what does and can happen on this show.

[unfocused]

With the Superman example, he can't become Superman on his own because Jor-El would be forcing him to become Superman. He will be forced to adjust to a life of being superman even though it's not something that he wanted and he will be forced to adjust to a life without Lana even though that is not something that he wanted.
And so everything that Clark wants after that will be tainted because this isn't the life he wants? Sorry but that doesn't make sense to me.


I never said that Clark will be forced to be with Lois. I said that Clark will be forced to move on from Lana, even though that is not something that he chose.
But that doesn't taint Clois, because Clark will want to be with her.

[Tinyeppy]

This was a horrible way to end Clana finally. It's awful. They should have come to the conclusion on their own that they aren't right for eachother. This just keeps that whole pictur perfect image of her in Clark's mind. By forcing him to stay away it only makes him not to be able to get over her at all. How is he ever going to get over her when he was forced to stay away? He was forcced out of it. And his mind no girl could measure up. How could they? Lana left a martyr and without a choice.


I couldn't agree more. Its not the fact that Clark can't love again. It's more the fact how he's going to love again. And it's impossible after this breakup he's willing to jump into a relationship with Lois without it being believeable for the fans.

This issue is also more the fact how the breakup occured. There's too much remince of CLANA and being forced to leave someone as much as CK loved Lana & vise versa there's bound to be some nasty wounds that will affect his relationship with Lois. This wasn't never a Clois problem. Lana isn't no martyr she can't be. I'm very upset with Lana being out shined my Lois Lane.

Clana will be issue in Clois no matter how TPTB make it out to be. Clark Kent just adored Lana it's that simple. I don't know how in the world PS3 are gonna make me believe how Clark will ever love Lois more then Lana. I do see Lois as 2nd best, 2nd choice b/c Lana isn't no touchy bases and this really disapponited me.

This final breakup was a mess. I just wanted a faith it's over and I get this kryponite infected poo poo.

I really don't like the way Smallville is handling Clois at this point and I have doubts they can fix this mess in a short life span like 5 episodes and a possbile next season. It' s just to quick to start Clois for me. I don't even what Lois hugging CK much less kiss him. He don't deserve it and I will not believe him. CK will always love Lana in my book.

Disappointed Superman Fan :(

[myankskent]

And so everything that Clark wants after that will be tainted because this isn't the life he wants? Sorry but that doesn't make sense to me.


It's not the life that he wanted first. That's the issue. He doesn't get to make a choice here. He's forced to live without Lana, regardless of the feelings that he has. Once he realizes that he will never be able to act on his feelings for Lana again, obviously he will move on with his life but this doesn't change the fact that Clark didn't get to choose what life he wanted. If you don't agree that it's bad for Clark's character to be forced to give something up that he really wants, then we'll agree to disagree. IMO, it's an insult for Clark's character to be forced into doing anything and that is why I brought up the Superman example.




But that doesn't taint Clois, because Clark will want to be with her.

True, but then if I asked you if if he would want to be with her if Lana wasn't kryptonite infected, what's the answer going to be? That Clois is true love/iconic and that's it? I can throw canon out there right now that says that Lois has been in his life for five years and Clark has wanted Lana. I can throw canon out there right now that Clark almost kissed Lois and still wanted to be with Lana after that. Unfortunately for Clois, the canon that TPTB have setup here is that Clark will fall in love with Lois because Lana is no longer an option.

[Tinyeppy]

Dominicus, some first loves are soul mates. The two do not have to be mutually exclusive. Lana is the one whom Clark loved and wanted to be with but couldn't. It wasn't his choice not to be with her and it wasn't her choice not to be with him. For all the talk of a dysfunctional relationship - these two didn't see it that way. I don't see it that way. Clark said and I quote: "What we have is beautiful." From the Kryptonian's mouth. It's of little importance how fans choose to perceive this line or the Clana relationship (at least to me). Very little interpretation is needed when characters can speak for themselves. It's of great importance how the characters themselves perceive the relationship, because I believe they know how they feel better than anyone else. Lana is what she is to Clark. At this moment, the woman he loves - per his words. Will he date someone else in the future - maybe. I'm not talking about comics, I'm talking about SV where anything can happen. He may date Lois. Regardless, he will still love Lana and carry her in his heart and I do believe from time to time he will wonder what could have been. Especially when he hears about her saving the world in different places all over the world - he'll wonder what could have been. I don't judge him for that. It's only natural when the situation is what it is. If I were pulled apart from someone whom I loved due to let's just say a war - and he was forever stuck in another country, whether I moved on or not, I would wonder what might have been. That's Clana right now. The thing to wonder about is if she ever finds a way to expel the kryptonite from her suit, what might still be? Again, not referring to comics - but to Smallville and what does and can happen on this show.


I totally understand what you are saying here, but this is what I don't agree with. This is not part of Lois Lane & Clark Kent relationship. CK never had Lana issues because simply Lana married happily and had son & named him Clark & had a normal happy life. Lana remain in his heart as special friend not this Wonder Women, wounded desperately yearning horribly went wrong relationship that will scar him.

CK loved Lana yes his 1st love it was sweet innocent love and over at HS b/c CK went off to college. However TPTB have protrayed this love so deepley & very adult relationship with very serious issues that IMA it's really difficulty to see how CK will ever recover to truly really deeply love Lois and when push come to shove will he choose Lois for all the right reasons not because he can't have Lana. What if the Krypotnite in here body is cured? Will he drop Lois like a fly and run off to the sunset with Lana. That fear will always be there. I can't forget that Lois was present throughout CLANA she's not going into this relationship blinded. She know exactly how much CK loved Lana Lang. This is scary in any women postion.

CK has to love Lois much more then Lana it's that simple. It's PS3 & TPTB job to show me, prove to fans he does. CK has to become a man already I'm tired of him being so fickle with emotions. Smalliville is turning into a AU for me at this point. AU that Clois just doesn't seem as great as History b/c we have "The Ghost Of Lana Lang".

Disappointed Superman Fan :(

[unfocused]

It's not the life that he wanted first. That's the issue. He doesn't get to make a choice here. He's forced to live without Lana, regardless of the feelings that he has. Once he realizes that he will never be able to act on his feelings for Lana again, obviously he will move on with his life but this doesn't change the fact that Clark didn't get to choose what life he wanted. If you don't agree that it's bad for Clark's character to be forced to give something up that he really wants, then we'll agree to disagree. IMO, it's an insult for Clark's character to be forced into doing anything and that is why I brought up the Superman example.
I really can't agree that any choice made after a life has been changed would be a tainted choice for the simple fact that a person couldn't have made that choice during the life he or she wanted. Clark's life has changed, he didn't want it to but it has. That doesn't mean that everything new that comes into his life afterward would NOT be something he wants.


True, but then if I asked you if if he would want to be with her if Lana wasn't kryptonite infected, what's the answer going to be? That Clois is true love/iconic and that's it? I can throw canon out there right now that says that Lois has been in his life for five years and Clark has wanted Lana. I can throw canon out there right now that Clark almost kissed Lois and still wanted to be with Lana after that. Unfortunately for Clois, the canon that TPTB have setup here is that Clark will fall in love with Lois because Lana is no longer an option.
But that's just an assumption. And assumptions don't quite work. You can assume that Clark and Lana would live happily ever after together had she been cured of the Kryptonite, but I surely won't. You seem to believe in Clois, hopefully, so I wonder why you think Clana would have been together forever. Why couldn't Clark have fallen out of love with Lana, for some reason or another, and move on? As long as we're assuming things, I'll just assume that Clark and Lana would not have lasted much longer. And I'll assume that Lois would step in, after Lana has already gone and Clark has already moved on, and sweep him off his feet. I won't assume Clark and Lana would have stayed together.

[tbird4u]

As much as I didnt like the way they ended it... I dont think it puts a damper on clois at all. Everyone has a first love at some point in there life...and most of the time when circumstances are right they will always hold them in a special place in their heart. Does that mean they cant love or love more because of that? NO Does that mean they cant carry on and move on? NO!! I honestly believe that when lois comes back and clark actually does FALL for her..because their is not question it is going to happen and it will happen in smallville as much as clana fans dont want it.... He will realize that yes he does love lana and always will but he can have love with lois and really be in love with her and it IS okay for him to move on and be with her. He will realize that lois is his soul mate.. that has been what the season is all about afterall. I have no doubt that the writers will fix this...its just a waiting game...I will never give up on clois in smallville or anywhere else cause they are END GAME period!! People can deny that and say blah blah blah but this is smallville...It doesnt matter... THEY are CLOIS PERIOD!!! Oh Yeah IMO!! ;)

[Timester]

Dominicus, some first loves are soul mates. The two do not have to be mutually exclusive. Lana is the one whom Clark loved and wanted to be with but couldn't.

Yes, some first loves are soulmates, which is not the case here.

I wished that people stop using the term wrongly for personal bias. Soulmates are fated to be together, not separated at every single little problem.

[Heilige]

On a side note, does anyone know if Kristin Kreuk is going to be in any more episodes; or was that is her final episode? Even, if there is a Season 9, will she be gone for good??

[myankskent]

But that's just an assumption. And assumptions don't quite work. You can assume that Clark and Lana would live happily ever after together had she been cured of the Kryptonite, but I surely won't.


I never assumed that Clark and Lana would live happily ever after, but in the Smallville universe, I can't assume that Clark would move on to someone else unless he actually realizes that he doesn't want to be with Lana. That never happened in "Requiem", hence the problem that I have with the episode.



Why couldn't Clark have fallen out of love with Lana, for some reason or another, and move on?


So on a show that spent 8 years drilling into our heads that Clark loved Lana even after all of the stuff that happened between them, I now have to basically leave it up to my imagination that Clark will fall out of love with her? I'm sorry, but that's not acceptable to me. It's TPTB's job of making that clear and they failed to do so. Instead, they introduced another contrivance to make sure that Clark stayed away from Lana forever.

[Timester]

But that's just an assumption. And assumptions don't quite work. You can assume that Clark and Lana would live happily ever after together had she been cured of the Kryptonite, but I surely won't. You seem to believe in Clois, hopefully, so I wonder why you think Clana would have been together forever. Why couldn't Clark have fallen out of love with Lana, for some reason or another, and move on? As long as we're assuming things, I'll just assume that Clark and Lana would not have lasted much longer. And I'll assume that Lois would step in, after Lana has already gone and Clark has already moved on, and sweep him off his feet. I won't assume Clark and Lana would have stayed together.

Actually, myankskent assumes right, because all depends on the writers. If they wanted Clana to be forever, for them Clana would be forever, and honestly, that's what they shown to us, with the lack of closure.

The thing is the end of the story is not Clana and they are not the soulmates of the story, that's what everyone keeps missing, including the writers. The end is written, everyone knows what it is, so they should stop giving hopes to something that is not bound to happen.

Right now, Clois WILL happen because of a lightswitch, and for me, bad story is bad story. After all, it's all that matters, the story.

[Heilige]

I never assumed that Clark and Lana would live happily ever after, but in the Smallville universe, I can't assume that Clark would move on to someone else unless he actually realizes that he doesn't want to be with Lana. That never happened in "Requiem", hence the problem that I have with the episode.



So on a show that spent 8 years drilling into our heads that Clark loved Lana even after all of the stuff that happened between them, I now have to basically leave it up to my imagination that Clark will fall out of love with her? I'm sorry, but that's not acceptable to me. It's TPTB's job of making that clear and they failed to do so. Instead, they introduced another contrivance to make sure that Clark stayed away from Lana forever.



myankskent, do you think Lana will be mentioned at all in the upcoming episode/s? I remember reading that someone thought that Clark wouldn't mention her at all and everyone on the show would act liek nothing happened. What do you think will happen?

[Timester]

I never assumed that Clark and Lana would live happily ever after, but in the Smallville universe, I can't assume that Clark would move on to someone else unless he actually realizes that he doesn't want to be with Lana. That never happened in "Requiem", hence the problem that I have with the episode.



So on a show that spent 8 years drilling into our heads that Clark loved Lana even after all of the stuff that happened between them, I now have to basically leave it up to my imagination that Clark will fall out of love with her? I'm sorry, but that's not acceptable to me. It's TPTB's job of making that clear and they failed to do so. Instead, they introduced another contrivance to make sure that Clark stayed away from Lana forever.

ITA

[Alicia Chipy]

I don't think becoming a female Kryptonite Kid (see Superboy Comics circa 1965) has brought any Clana closure.Mutual friendly separation due to irreconsiliable differences would have been more believable.

[myankskent]

Right now, Clois WILL happen because of a lightswitch, and for me, bad story is bad story. After all, it's all that matters, the story.


Right. If I'm going to start justifying everything that happens on Smallville by looking at a comic book, then why should I even care about the show or the stories that are told? The comics say that Clark and Lois belong together. Great, but don't TPTB owe me a convincing explanation as to why Clark and Lana won't work? Right now, all they have given me is kryptonite. They love each other very deeply...their relationship is beautiful(Clark's words)...but because of kryptonite, they physically can't be together. Forget about any resolution to the feelings that they have for each other, just throw some kryptonite into Lana so Clark has to stay away from her and the storyline is complete.:rolleyes: Are you kidding me?

Then to top it off, we have to watch Clark Kent struggle to get near Lana one last time so that he can kiss her, with the scene ending as he is on his knees saying that he loves her. Resolution to the relationship? I think not.

[clarkbunny]

IMO this ending to Clana was very bad and it didn't resolve anything. It left me feeling just as sad as when Clark watched Lana drive away with Lex after their wedding.

I would much rather they hadn't brought Lana back at all or that she'd come back just long enough to give Clark a proper goodbye and gone away forever.

The way they left it now, it showed that they do still have feelings for each other and love each other. It dug up all of Clark's feelings that he was just starting to come to terms with and then crapped on Clark from a great height YET AGAIN :mad: I was well annoyed last week with Lana having super powers but this week I actually liked them together and it was nice to see Clark happy. So annoying that his happiness was short lived. WHY put them back together just to create a heart wrenching reason for them to be apart??? That's not resolution that's just cruel and I didn't like it one bit.

Going forwards from this it means that Clark will ALWAYS love Lana and the only reason he can't be with her is 'cos he physically can't and NOT because he and Lana reached an adult decision that the two of them would never work out. It leaves the door open that no matter who Clark is with, should the opportunity arise he would drop that person to be with the love of his life - Lana Lang :rolleyes:

[Heilige]

IMO this ending to Clana was very bad and it didn't resolve anything. It left me feeling just as sad as when Clark watched Lana drive away with Lex after their wedding.

I would much rather they hadn't brought Lana back at all or that she'd come back just long enough to give Clark a proper goodbye and gone away forever.

The way they left it now, it showed that they do still have feelings for each other and love each other. It dug up all of Clark's feelings that he was just starting to come to terms with and then crapped on Clark from a great height YET AGAIN :mad: I was well annoyed last week with Lana having super powers but this week I actually liked them together and it was nice to see Clark happy. So annoying that his happiness was short lived. WHY put them back together just to create a heart wrenching reason for them to be apart??? That's not resolution that's just cruel and I didn't like it one bit.

Going forwards from this it means that Clark will ALWAYS love Lana and the only reason he can't be with her is 'cos he physically can't and NOT because he and Lana reached an adult decision that the two of them would never work out. It leaves the door open that no matter who Clark is with, should the opportunity arise he would drop that person to be with the love of his life - Lana Lang :rolleyes:



Good points! :)

On a side note, do you know if Kristin Kreuk is going to be in any more episodes; or was that is her final episode? Even, if there is a Season 9, will she be gone for good??

[SparkleforSmallville]

Good points! :)

On a side note, do you know if Kristin Kreuk is going to be in any more episodes; or was that is her final episode? Even, if there is a Season 9, will she be gone for good??

At first KK said she wouldn't be back, then in a more recent Article, she said she is open to guest starring in a future episode, maybe the Series finale.. So, she's not closing any doors.

[Clana4Life]

HEILIGE Kristin Kruek has said she would come back for a few eps close to the series finale if she has some good material. This season may be the last season, so hopefully she'll be back rather soon.

----- Added 6 Minutes later -----


Right. If I'm going to start justifying everything that happens on Smallville by looking at a comic book, then why should I even care about the show or the stories that are told? The comics say that Clark and Lois belong together. Great, but don't TPTB owe me a convincing explanation as to why Clark and Lana won't work? Right now, all they have given me is kryptonite. They love each other very deeply...their relationship is beautiful(Clark's words)...but because of kryptonite, they physically can't be together. Forget about any resolution to the feelings that they have for each other, just throw some kryptonite into Lana so Clark has to stay away from her and the storyline is complete.:rolleyes: Are you kidding me?

Then to top it off, we have to watch Clark Kent struggle to get near Lana one last time so that he can kiss her, with the scene ending as he is on his knees saying that he loves her. Resolution to the relationship? I think not.

No there was no real resolution. And a door is left open. Even if Clark does pursue a relationship with Lois, what will happen if Lana is cured? See to me this does not bode well for Lois or any woman. Some are banking on the fact that he may love Lois more by then. Possibly, but there are no guarantees. He may not. I know this is the point where someone will say, "but in the comics" :rolleyes:. I can only speak of Smallville, not comics. This is the fundamental problem with Clana's "closure." We have none. We have two lovers who can't be together because of kryptonite. No perception or interpretation needed here. Kryptonite. Because this is the reason, there is always the possibility of a cure. With this scenario, TPTB set up a possible scenario that Lois or whomever he dates after this might possibly get their heartbroken the moment Lana comes back smiling and saying, "Clark I found a cure. Now we can be together just like you and I always wanted."

[mr lane]

^^^

Lana is never coming back

thats resolution enough :cool:

Issue #209 of Wizard magazine hit comic book shops and newsstands last week, and in it, Kristin Kreuk did an interview where she discussed her new film, Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li, and also answered some questions about the future of Smallville
and the future of her own career.

Here are some highlights from Kristin's interview with Jake Rossen:


- "It depends. I think there are so many stories
within Smallville that they couild draw it out for as long as they wanted to," Kristin said when asked about the future of the show. "It depends on Tom [Welling, who plays Clark Kent] as well, and whether he's passionate about it. I think they could do a spinoff, but there's something to Clark. I think people see a part of themselves in Clark - kind and heroic. There's so much hope in that character."

the end of clana!- Kristin would not rule out a return to television in her future. "What I've learned from Smallville is, if I go back to TV, I want there to be a clear vision for the show and character. I watch a lot of HBO on DVD. They're beautiful. They go for five or six seasons, if not less. I love that. It seems you can delve into it deeper," she says. "I'm not opposed to doing TV. I just want it to have a sense of the story it's trying to tell, and the intent behind it. Working on TV for eight seasons is - sometimes it's a really great storyline, and sometimes it isn't."

- Kristin says that "Requiem" (airing on Feb. 5) "closes up Lana's storyline."

To find out what Kristin had to say about Street Fighter - and also see her fielding a question about Tom Welling's age - in issue #209 of Wizard, now available.

[Clana4Life]

^^^

Lana is never coming back

thats resolution enough :cool:

Issue #209 of Wizard magazine hit comic book shops and newsstands last week, and in it, Kristin Kreuk did an interview where she discussed her new film, Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li, and also answered some questions about the future of Smallville
and the future of her own career.

Here are some highlights from Kristin's interview with Jake Rossen:


- "It depends. I think there are so many stories
within Smallville that they couild draw it out for as long as they wanted to," Kristin said when asked about the future of the show. "It depends on Tom [Welling, who plays Clark Kent] as well, and whether he's passionate about it. I think they could do a spinoff, but there's something to Clark. I think people see a part of themselves in Clark - kind and heroic. There's so much hope in that character."

the end of clana!- Kristin would not rule out a return to television in her future. "What I've learned from Smallville is, if I go back to TV, I want there to be a clear vision for the show and character. I watch a lot of HBO on DVD. They're beautiful. They go for five or six seasons, if not less. I love that. It seems you can delve into it deeper," she says. "I'm not opposed to doing TV. I just want it to have a sense of the story it's trying to tell, and the intent behind it. Working on TV for eight seasons is - sometimes it's a really great storyline, and sometimes it isn't."

- Kristin says that "Requiem" (airing on Feb. 5) "closes up Lana's storyline."

To find out what Kristin had to say about Street Fighter - and also see her fielding a question about Tom Welling's age - in issue #209 of Wizard, now available.

Um, maybe you missed the two previous posts, but KK said she was open to coming back.

[mr lane]

Um, maybe you missed the two previous posts, but KK said she was open to coming back.

is there proof of this?

[Clana4Life]

is there proof of this?

Here you go. It's her most recent interview.

http://scifiwire.com/2009/01/kristin-kreuk-talks-about-returning-to-smallville.php

[ClanaDestinyObsession]

The only thing imho that could "resolve" Clana is death of BOTH characters. as long as either one lives, so will the love of Clana.

[mr lane]

Last time we spoke, you said you were happy about how they brought Lana back and how she's going to exit. I know Michael Rosenbaum [Lex Luthor] said he'd be willing to come back for the series finale. Would you be willing to do that?

Kreuk: I told them I'd be willing to come back. Well, I told someone that I'd be willing to come back for little bit if there was something interesting to do. That's still possible. I'm not opposed to coming back. ...

who is someone?

and that answer was toward the question of the series finale

which is already looking like this season since

two of the writers are leaving at the end of the season and TW hasn't renewed his contract

[zHeN_zHeN]

Okay, so... it happened. It was sad. There were tears. Blah, blah blah... but, the thing that got me was why didn't Clark say, "I love you" to Lana at least once during that scene or at least before she left? Come to think of it, did he say it at all during that episode? Or, anytime during Lana's entire arc? Hmm... maybe I'm forgetting. :confused: Anyway, J/W.

[ClanaDestinyObsession]

Okay, so... it happened. It was sad. There were tears. Blah, blah blah... but, the thing that got me was why didn't Clark say, "I love you" to Lana at least once during that scene or at least before she left? Come to think of it, did he say it at all during that episode? Or, anytime during Lana's entire arc? Hmm... maybe I'm forgetting. :confused: Anyway, J/W.

He whispered it after she left the loft when he's on his knees next to tears. She could have heard it though because she has super-hearing too now. They should have showed that.

[Dominicus]

I think it's called an opinion, and a matter of how you percept things, but if you insist on calling it "turning a blind eye" - Don't you realize you are doing the exact same thing here? Belittling Clana's importance on this show, because of your personal wants.

Presumptive conclusion, because I have no personal wants at all. But I do take issue with certain repetitious elements, and mind-boggling situations that simply are misplaced, twisted of the superman mythos. I'm not like Clana/Cloisers. I can truly careless of the relationships of SV, but that doesn't mean I haven't absorbed and observed what has been said and done in SV. Nor can I ignore it. Clana, is a life experience as I see it, Clark's test to prepare and mold his future. The episode instinct pretty much explained how this was going to go down.

And since my response was never to you, no offense, it's completely taken out context. I predicted I'd get a rebuttal like this feeling the need to express, or justify never considered the whole picture. I'm not turning a blind eye just because I'm not praising Clana here and now. It doesn't mean I don't acknowledge the existence, or preexistence of it, or that was never interested in it. Turning a blind eye means I intentionally ignored detail of Clana out of petty spite. I have not. However, I will defend if someone is cheapening the true mythos and twisting the truth to suit an agenda.


Comparing Clana and Clois on this show, at this point..is practically like comparing Martha's attraction / feelings for Lionel to the love she had/has for Jonathan.

No it's not, that's how you interpret it.


All the things they have been through, and now this ending in Requiem.

Everything they have been through was caused by their own insecurities, distrusts, desires and indecisions leading to requiem. Fate never stepped in the way of these two, fate never split them up, though I know there's some that want to believe that idea. But they did this to themselves with decisions after bad decisions, their own actions sealed their fate. Both keep making the wrong choices to what they thought was the better choice, spite, or greater good.


They were forced apart, and Clark was risking his life to hold her and kiss her one last time. It can't be compared with the occasional Clois-wink to the future, especially when there has been close to nothing to show for it. There was the almost kiss, that Clark soon forgot when Lana came back..there was no sign whatsoever of him hesitating getting back together with Lana because of Lois.

lol You just lambasted with down playing the "Clana" relationship. Yet you don't hesitate to do it in the same sentence with a couple you care less about. I'll respond anyway.

Did Lois ever try to stop Clark? Has Lois ever stood in the way of Clana? Has Lois ever told Clark how she felt? Nope, never, she didn not give him that option. In fact, she has done the opposite. Try giving it a little more credit, then come talk to me when you acknowledge with a fair balance of what the direction/writer's were conveying in just about every Lois episode, instead of lustful encounters. It is deeper then that, bloodline is a good example.

There's more to a relationship then just physical reaction. It's also goes to what a person is willing to give up and go through. This last ordeal was just too much for Clana. I'm sure Lana realized this and wanted to end the heartache. That within itself is a test, a test of endurance, of which they failed.

However, you can't compare what has not happened yet. They haven't even begun the Lois and Clark arc, so any comparison to that is invalid and reckless disregard, which is why I won't use two particular season6 liplock encounters as testimony. Because the are invalid to me.


So, I don't understand how anyone can say that Clois is bigger than Clana on Smallville. This show is originally about his youth, and it's only natural that Lana plays a bigger part in his life. The comics yes.. Lana was his high school sweetheart, and not nearly as important to Clark romantically.[/ quote]

Of course you can't see it, because you have blinded yourself to that philosophy seeing Clana as grand and only, refusing to see what has been building since day 1 season 4. Lois has always had feelings for Clark, but brushed those feelings aside because of his love for Lana. She instinctively wants him to be happy, even if it is not with her. She instinctly protects him, especially at his lowest. Look at it from her perceptive. If you can't see it, well you get the drift.

And smallville is based on the comic. DC comics doesn't just let anyone take their works without staying true to the mythos. They are allowed certain freedoms. However, it is the story of young superman, it is relevant, very, it is only your opinion that is isn't because it doesn't suit your view, and discredits Clana. But I bet if there was something in the comics to justify the relationship, you would certainly use it, would you not? Honestly?

Moreover, Lois not being in smallville, okay, and? Clark left smallville at 18, to bring up Lois's time-line is moot. Because Lana ended when Clark was done with High School. And Lori Lemaris should be in the picture. Of course, that didn't happen in SV. Also, once Clark becomes a reporter at the daily planet, all bets are off and Lois is valid, regardless of age, because that's the mythos.

The writers however, are taking a new direction on the mythos, not wanting to be like LnC, instead having Lois be the first to fall for Clark and have him be clueless, soul searching and heartbroken. Also, having Lana as his first, dare I say true love without misconstruing it as his only true love?

The stars as they say are aligning. With that analogy in mind, I'll give you Lana and Clark being aligned, rather intertwined with fate, destiny, or time. However, they shape their destiny, and write their own future. Lois is also in that alignment and is his soulmate, which is why Clana could never work.

[quote]But Lois wasn't even there during Clark's youth. However, for me.. the comics are on thing and Smallville is another..so I don't find it relevant to talk about the comics. I percept what I see, and don't think about how it's "supposed to be" originally.

Forgive me for being cynical, but if you really felt it was irrelevant you would've never brought it up. But you figured it would serve as a credible point, I presume, no fault in trying. As I said smallville ended once Clark was done with Highschool. So, I can add, well Lana wasn't there after such and such. See, pointless.


What I love about Clark and Lana is that their romance is both magic and tragic.. it's devastating yet absolutely beautiful. How they always managed to find their way back to each other despite everything. The misunderstandings, the hesitations, the "betrayals"

Nicely said, but if you feel that way, you don't need to convince me of it. What you see as beautiful, I see as dysfunctional, passionate, but dysfunctional. Both, are not false, just two different interpretations, or perception/aspects of the same thing. I liked Clana up till graduation 4th season, and it was over to me at that point, not because of Lois, but because it was time and everything after seemed like a maelstrom of confusion, especially season 5 when she went crazy after Clark dumped her.

And do they really find their way back to each other, or is convenience, circumstance like a place called smallville. Clark is the one that has always pushed for the relationship no matter what Lana did in SV without consequence, even unwittingly sacrificing Jonathan. However, I never seen Lana try as hard as him, always felt she had a hidden agenda and she did have an ulterior motive. Wanting Clark, but also, have the insatiable desire for power.

On anther note, it seems to be taboo for a human to yield extraordinary power in SV, which is why meteor freaks lives usually end in tragedy. Anyway, I think if Clark cheated on Lana with a female clone of her would she be so forgiven? She would question it, and him for ever believing a clone was her. If you know and respect her character, you know that she would. Their relationship always had the issue of trust, and commitment.

It was always an unhealthy relationship from the start , which why ended the way it did. They love each other, but they make each other sick, literally, Clark physically, Lana mentally. Both, of them emotional wrecks.


I really do see them as star-crossed lovers, no matter how much they love and wanna be with each other it never seems to quite turn out right and there is always something tearing them apart - But it's never their love for one another that fails.

I don‘t see them as star-crossed lovers per say, for the simple fact neither is dead, and the situation can be rectified. In order to have that title, one must enviably die, willing to sacrifice themselves to be together, or withstand any pain just to be by the other. Because they can’t live without the other. If they were star crossed lovers, when Clark thought that Lana had died, he would have tried, no he would have killed himself to join her in death, which is pathetic IMO. So in that regard, I'm glad their love was less selfish in that level.

They loved each other enough to let each other go. They were a passionate love, they are a great love, they were a first love, but they are not soul mates.

[Cogito17]

One thing I find interesting is all the talk about how Lois will be Clark's second choice given the circumstantial break up of Clark/Lana, no one made the same comments about Lois when she broke up with Ollie.

Her break up was every bit as circumstantial. I forget what episode it was in season 6, but I do remember lines about them "regretting it for the rest of their lives" and the break up being about Ollie having to go away, and not a lack of love between the two. This was then followed up by romance in season 7 (Siren), and an admission from Lois that she has lingering feelings in Season 8 (Toxic).

Now, I don't mean to insinuate that Clark is Lois' second choice, but I find it interesting that nowhere, ANYWHERE, did I see such allegations levelled at Lois for a comparable break up (at least in terms of it being circumstantial, not for a lack of love between the two).

Obviously, Clark and Lana's relationship had greater focus (Clark is the star of the show after all). But if you look at it, they are similar in that both couples were forced apart, and have showed lingering feelings. Why is it okay for Lois to move on, but not Clark?

[Timester]

One thing I find interesting is all the talk about how Lois will be Clark's second choice given the circumstantial break up of Clark/Lana, no one made the same comments about Lois when she broke up with Ollie.

Her break up was every bit as circumstantial. I forget what episode it was in season 6, but I do remember lines about them "regretting it for the rest of their lives" and the break up being about Ollie having to go away, and not a lack of love between the two. This was then followed up by romance in season 7 (Siren), and an admission from Lois that she has lingering feelings in Season 8 (Toxic).

Now, I don't mean to insinuate that Clark is Lois' second choice, but I find it interesting that nowhere, ANYWHERE, did I see such allegations levelled at Lois for a comparable break up (at least in terms of it being circumstantial, not for a lack of love between the two).

Obviously, Clark and Lana's relationship had greater focus (Clark is the star of the show after all). But if you look at it, they are similar in that both couples were forced apart, and have showed lingering feelings. Why is it okay for Lois to move on, but not Clark?

Lois moved on because Ollie choosed to break up with her. He didn't wanted to be with her, he wanted to fight crime. That's a closure.

Unlike Clark and Lana, that were FORCED to be separated. There was no break up, quite the opposite. Lana went way because not that she wanted, but because she had to. There was no closure there.

[mr lane]

One thing I find interesting is all the talk about how Lois will be Clark's second choice given the circumstantial break up of Clark/Lana, no one made the same comments about Lois when she broke up with Ollie.

Her break up was every bit as circumstantial. I forget what episode it was in season 6, but I do remember lines about them "regretting it for the rest of their lives" and the break up being about Ollie having to go away, and not a lack of love between the two. This was then followed up by romance in season 7 (Siren), and an admission from Lois that she has lingering feelings in Season 8 (Toxic).

Now, I don't mean to insinuate that Clark is Lois' second choice, but I find it interesting that nowhere, ANYWHERE, did I see such allegations levelled at Lois for a comparable break up (at least in terms of it being circumstantial, not for a lack of love between the two).

Obviously, Clark and Lana's relationship had greater focus (Clark is the star of the show after all). But if you look at it, they are similar in that both couples were forced apart, and have showed lingering feelings. Why is it okay for Lois to move on, but not Clark?

Lois actually ended things they werent forced apart, she could have been with Ollie if she really wanted but she decided she couldnt be apart of his world

she wasnt going to put her feelings before the fact that Ollie was a hero and had a duty

in a way Lois was being selfish because she even told Ollie she couldn't share him with the world

she knew what she wanted and wasn't going to try over and over to change her feelings about it so instead she ended things

[myankskent]

Last time we spoke, you said you were happy about how they brought Lana back and how she's going to exit. I know Michael Rosenbaum [Lex Luthor] said he'd be willing to come back for the series finale. Would you be willing to do that?

Kreuk: I told them I'd be willing to come back. Well, I told someone that I'd be willing to come back for little bit if there was something interesting to do. That's still possible. I'm not opposed to coming back. ...

who is someone?



That's a good question. Perhaps somebody asked KK if she would come back because they plan on going further with this kryptonite storyline?

[Timester]

Lois actually ended things they werent forced apart, she could have been with Ollie if she really wanted but she decided she couldnt be apart of his world

she wasnt going to put her feelings before the fact that Ollie was a hero and had a duty

in a way Lois was being selfish because she even told Ollie she couldn't share him with the world

she knew what she wanted and wasn't going to try over and over to change her feelings about it so instead she ended things

Exactly. Ollie wanted to go fight crime more than he wanted to be with Lois.

[myankskent]

Okay, so... it happened. It was sad. There were tears. Blah, blah blah... but, the thing that got me was why didn't Clark say, "I love you" to Lana at least once during that scene or at least before she left? Come to think of it, did he say it at all during that episode? Or, anytime during Lana's entire arc? Hmm... maybe I'm forgetting. :confused: Anyway, J/W.

I got the impression that the only reason why he didn't tell her in that final scene was because he was still recovering from the kryptonite. In any case, I don't think that Clark needed to say a word in this episode after all he went through just to kiss her. In "Requiem", actions speak louder than words for Clark.

[unfocused]

I never assumed that Clark and Lana would live happily ever after, but in the Smallville universe, I can't assume that Clark would move on to someone else unless he actually realizes that he doesn't want to be with Lana. That never happened in "Requiem", hence the problem that I have with the episode.
You're assuming that Clark would never choose Lois over Lana, just because he didn't willingly leave her in Requiem. As many times as they have broken apart, I have no reason to believe they would have stayed together forever had she been cured.


So on a show that spent 8 years drilling into our heads that Clark loved Lana even after all of the stuff that happened between them, I now have to basically leave it up to my imagination that Clark will fall out of love with her? I'm sorry, but that's not acceptable to me. It's TPTB's job of making that clear and they failed to do so. Instead, they introduced another contrivance to make sure that Clark stayed away from Lana forever.
I think you kind of missed the point of those 8 years. They showed us more that Clark and Lana were not meant to stay together. Watching these two be miserable for most of their time together doesn't convince me that Clark would have stayed with her, or she with him. Speaking of the writers intentions... they pretty much shoved their intentions in our faces in Requiem. Their intentions were to close the Clana relationship once and for all. And they did that without tainting anything Clois.

TPTB made it perfectly clear to me that Clana is over. They didn't fail at anything. Failing to see that is the actual failure here.

[Dominicus]

Dominicus, some first loves are soul mates. The two do not have to be mutually exclusive. Lana is the one whom Clark loved and wanted to be with but couldn't. It wasn't his choice not to be with her and it wasn't her choice not to be with him. For all the talk of a dysfunctional relationship - these two didn't see it that way. I don't see it that way. Clark said and I quote: "What we have is beautiful.". All true, I don't deny it. But I think you're cutting the Lois and Clark future a little short. PS3 has hinted at this relationship for awhile. I'm interested to see where this goes. I don't believe this was the closure episode that was needed, well it wasn't good enough, and not fair to all those involved. I most likely see Lana coming back to close it if there's a season 9, officially, and maturely. I would like to see her grow from the exprience, same with Clark. I don't think they should punish the characters in such away either.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

Last time we spoke, you said you were happy about how they brought Lana back and how she's going to exit. I know Michael Rosenbaum [Lex Luthor] said he'd be willing to come back for the series finale. Would you be willing to do that?

Kreuk: I told them I'd be willing to come back. Well, I told someone that I'd be willing to come back for little bit if there was something interesting to do. That's still possible. I'm not opposed to coming back. ...

who is someone?

and that answer was toward the question of the series finale

which is already looking like this season since

two of the writers are leaving at the end of the season and TW hasn't renewed his contract

Really is this true KK want's to come back! Please....I really don't want this to happen
an extension of this Lana arc would not be good IMO. When was this said by KK?

[myankskent]

Lois moved on because Ollie choosed to break up with her. He didn't wanted to be with her, he wanted to fight crime. That's a closure.

Unlike Clark and Lana, that were FORCED to be separated. There was no break up, quite the opposite. Lana went way because not that she wanted, but because she had to. There was no closure there.

Plus, Ollie and Lois had two additional episodes that explored this closure for their relationship..."Siren" and "Toxic". Clana, a relationship that has been going on for almost 8 years now, had one 5 minute scene that led to no closure.

[Timester]

I think you kind of missed the point of those 8 years. They showed us more that Clark and Lana were not meant to stay together. Watching these two be miserable for most of their time together doesn't convince me that Clark would have stayed with her, or she with him. Speaking of the writers intentions... they pretty much shoved their intentions in our faces in Requiem. Their intentions were to close the Clana relationship once and for all. And they did that without tainting anything Clois.

Yes, they did shown. But Requiem completely cleaned those 8 years of story. We saw that they aren't together because they are meant to stay like that, but because they can't stay together, literally, just like Pilot. They didn't came to the conclusion themselves, the conclusion was forced upon them and Clark even ignored it.

[Dominicus]

Really is this true KK want's to come back! Please....I really don't want this to happen
an extension of this Lana arc would not be good IMO. When was this said by KK?She said it in a interview. Only if TW signs on for a ninth-season, there is a possibility of a return. I have mixed feeings on this as well. If she returns, then it must be to advance the storyline, not take us back to the beginning living in the past. The audience needs to see that Clark and Lana moved on from each other after Requiem. But I don't think it should be an sort of arc. 1-episode deal.

[myankskent]

You're assuming that Clark would never choose Lois over Lana, just because he didn't willingly leave her in Requiem.


Well, let me ask you a question. Why do you believe that on this show, after everything that we have seen, that Clark would choose Lois over Lana? See, IMO, this is where the old comic book excuse comes in and that's something that I don't agree with. On Smallville, it is a proven fact that Clark would choose to be with Lana given the opportunity over any other girl, IMO.




TPTB made it perfectly clear to me that Clana is over. They didn't fail at anything. Failing to see that is the actual failure here.


So you think that if Lana was cured, Clana would not try to still be together at this point?

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Yes, they did shown. But Requiem completely cleaned those 8 years of story. We saw that they aren't together because they are meant to stay, but because they can't stay together, literally, just like Pilot.



Exactly. This breakup was not about their dysfunctional relationship. It was only about the kryptonite infection.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

She said it in a interview. Only if TW signs on for a ninth-season, there is a possibility of a return. I have mixed feeings on this as well. If she returns, then it must be to advance the storyline, not take us back to the beginning living in the past. The audience needs to see that Clark and Lana moved on from each other after Requiem. But I don't think it should be an sort of arc. 1-episode deal.

Thanks Dominicus for the info, Yeah I'm just crossing by fingers that Infamous will prove that season 8 is worth the watch. Because right now I'm not happy with Power and Requiem, they were not handled well at all IMO. There was no closure it was a open book ending. Thanks again keep the discussion alive!:)

[mr lane]

Really is this true KK want's to come back! Please....I really don't want this to happen
an extension of this Lana arc would not be good IMO. When was this said by KK?

that is a real interview with KK and im not sure shes been giving mixed interviews

in a recent interview about Requiem she said that episode was closing Lana's storyline

you can find where i posted that a page or so back or on the home page of the K-site

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

that is a real interview with KK and im not sure shes been giving mixed interviews

in a recent interview about Requiem she said that episode was closing Lana's storyline

you can find where i posted that a page or so back or on the home page of the K-site


Thanks I'll check it out...:)

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Yes, they did shown. But Requiem completely cleaned those 8 years of story. We saw that they aren't together because they are meant to stay like that, but because they can't stay together, literally, just like Pilot. They didn't came to the conclusion themselves, the conclusion was forced upon them and Clark even ignored it.

ITA and this is one thing that upsets me.

[Dominicus]

Thanks Dominicus for the info, Yeah I'm just crossing by fingers that Infamous will prove that season 8 is worth the watch. Because right now I'm not happy with Power and Requiem, they were not handled well at all IMO. There was no closure it was a open book ending. Thanks again keep the discussion alive!:)You're welcome and exactly! That was no closure, it like a parent seperating a relationship, it has to be on their own terms.

[unfocused]

Well, let me ask you a question. Why do you believe that on this show, after everything that we have seen, that Clark would choose Lois over Lana? See, IMO, this is where the old comic book excuse comes in and that's something that I don't agree with. On Smallville, it is a proven fact that Clark would choose to be with Lana given the opportunity over any other girl, IMO.
Well, IMO, Clark has already been on the verge of letting Lana go this season. See, these 8 years proved that they were not meant to be together forever, no matter what.

Now let me ask you a question. Since no one had any problems about Clois at the beginning of this season, why are some people having problems now? The circumstances of their breakup in Arctic are the same as their breakup in Requiem. Lana leaves Clark, even though that isn't what he wants.

Were you arguing these same points after Committed aired? I don't think so, but correct me if I'm wrong.


So you think that if Lana was cured, Clana would not try to still be together at this point?
At this point? This point doesn't matter, since Clark isn't developing a relationship with Lois right now. Lois isn't even around. But do I believe Clana would be separated soon? Yes. And I think Clark would be very capable of moving on, he's already been close to that point during these 5 episodes with Lana. So I strongly feel that Clark could move on from Lana, and develop a healthy, convincing relationship with Lois.

One last question. It would help me to know if you are a shipper. And if so, which ship do you root for. Because I was under the impression that you were a loyal Cloiser that didn't want his ship to be tainted. But now I'm afraid you may be a disgruntled Clana shipper. I mean no disrespect, honestly, and anyone attempting to make this out to be disrespectful will be ignored. There is nothing wrong with being a shipper, any kind of shipper. I just want to know.

[Cogito17]

Exactly. Ollie wanted to go fight crime more than he wanted to be with Lois.

If that is so, why did Oliver refer to it as a "moment I'll regret for the rest of my life". That implies an obligation to leave, not a desire to break up. They were forced apart in a different way, and maybe not as strongly, but it was clear their break up wasn't about a lack of feeling between the two. How do you explain the resurgance of romance in Siren? Or the reference to lingering feelings in Toxic if they didn't have feelings for one another?

You could say Ollie didn't have to leave in the same way Lana did. But the point is that it was because he HAD to do something, not because he WANTED to do something. I just looked up a quick quote from Justice, where they broke up:

Oliver: Ever since my parents died... I've jumped around from city to city, from continent to continent. And... in all those years... not once have I regretted leaving anyone. But then I met you.
Lois: Then stay.

He regrets that he has to go. It's clear that they were forced apart by his obligation to do other things, not that he WANTED to go.

I'm not saying this makes Clark Lois' second choice, but I'm saying that if Lois is allowed to move on to Clark, why isn't Clark allowed to move onto Lois after similar break ups?

Edit: Here is the break up on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZD5eOB1E5U&feature=related. Certainly doesn't seem like a break up where they have closure, and are over each other.

[Kevin24]

For Lois not to be viewed as second choice I believe a lot of time, like months, should pass by before they start or Clark starts to develop extremely strong feelings for her. He has to have moved on and closed that chapter in his life before he purses a relationship with Lois.

Of course Lana will always hold a special place in his heart but once he falls in love with Lois I believe he will find his true love.

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If that is so, why did Oliver refer to it as a "moment I'll regret for the rest of my life". That implies an obligation to leave, not a desire to break up. They were forced apart in a different way, and maybe not as strongly, but it was clear their break up wasn't about a lack of feeling between the two. How do you explain the resurgance of romance in Siren? Or the reference to lingering feelings in Toxic if they didn't have feelings for one another?

You could say Ollie didn't have to leave in the same way Lana did. But the point is that it was because he HAD to do something, not because he WANTED to do something. I just looked up a quick quote from Justice, where they broke up:

Oliver: Ever since my parents died... I've jumped around from city to city, from continent to continent. And... in all those years... not once have I regretted leaving anyone. But then I met you.
Lois: Then stay.

He regrets that he has to go. It's clear that they were forced apart by his obligation to do other things, not that he WANTED to go.

I'm not saying this makes Clark Lois' second choice, but I'm saying that if Lois is allowed to move on to Clark, why isn't Clark allowed to move onto Lois after similar break ups?

Edit: Here is the break up on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZD5eOB1E5U&feature=related. Certainly doesn't seem like a break up where they have closure, and are over each other.

Actually, during Season Six that scene pissed me off because I thought Clark was supposed to be her one and only. It kept bothering me considering the fact that she actually said she loved him and he was the one who ended it. It also annoyed me how she got with Grant Gabriel and then Oliver came back and she still loved him.

I got over it though and now I see him as her one true love.

[myankskent]

Now let me ask you a question. Since no one had any problems about Clois at the beginning of this season, why are some people having problems now? The circumstances of their breakup in Arctic are the same as their breakup in Requiem. Lana leaves Clark, even though that isn't what he wants.


There are two main reasons why I find the "Arctic" breakup different. First, there was no Clois development and near kiss prior to the "Arctic" breakup where Clark basically blew off Lois, like there is here prior to the "Requiem" breakup. Second, had I known at the time of "Arctic" that Lana only broke up with Clark because she was being forced to, I would certainly say that there was no real closure there either to the relationship. This being said, I don't think that the "Arctic" breakup was great closure either. The funny thing is that I think the "Hypnotic" breakup was actually much better than these two breakups because while it was a copout for Clark to lie to Lana about the way he really felt, at least it was his decision to lie. Nobody was forcing him to. I can live with Clark making decisions, even if they are not the smart decisions or the "right" decisions, but I cannot live with Clark basically having his back up against a wall and being forced to do something. That's wrong.





At this point? This point doesn't matter, since Clark isn't developing a relationship with Lois right now. Lois isn't even around.


She's coming back in the next episode.



But do I believe Clana would be separated soon? Yes. And I think Clark would be very capable of moving on, he's already been close to that point during these 5 episodes with Lana. So I strongly feel that Clark could move on from Lana, and develop a healthy, convincing relationship with Lois.


See, I think that Lana returning this season pretty much proved the point that Clark didn't move on in season 8. I think that it was an out of sight, out of mind kind of thing. There's no way that I can believe that Clark was moving on when he made the decision to kiss Lana in "Bulletproof". It wasn't like Lana was twisting his arm to do that. When she came back, she never gave him the impression that she came back for a relationship. That was all on Clark. This is why I felt that it was absolutely vital that no romantic relationship start again between these two given past history.



One last question. It would help me to know if you are a shipper. And if so, which ship do you root for. Because I was under the impression that you were a loyal Cloiser that didn't want his ship to be tainted. But now I'm afraid you may be a disgruntled Clana shipper.


I really don't consider myself a shipper at all. What I have done for years is defend Lois on the Chlois debate thread, even when it came to Clana. I was one of the ones who made points against Chloe because Clark chose Lana over her in the past so it would be very hypocritical of me to ignore all of this Clois/Clana stuff in season 8, since a near kiss between Clois didn't really do a lot to stop Clark from going back to Lana. But what I want most? I want Clark to look good and IMO, he can't look worse in this situation. He is being forced to breakup with Lana and now falling in love with Lois just doesn't seem right to me at this point. In all honesty, while this is certainly not the ideal situation, I would probably consider it to be better if Clark had actually had a relationship with Lois prior to this Clana mess because then I can at least have some canon that would place Lois on Clark's romantic radar. It bothers me that TPTB have put Clark into a situation where he has no option and can't come to any conclusions or realizations on his own.

Now it's your turn. Are you a shipper?





I mean no disrespect, honestly, and anyone attempting to make this out to be disrespectful will be ignored. There is nothing wrong with being a shipper, any kind of shipper. I just want to know.

There's no disrespect, so don't worry.:)

[unfocused]

If that is so, why did Oliver refer to it as a "moment I'll regret for the rest of my life". That implies an obligation to leave, not a desire to break up. They were forced apart in a different way, and maybe not as strongly, but it was clear their break up wasn't about a lack of feeling between the two. How do you explain the resurgance of romance in Siren? Or the reference to lingering feelings in Toxic if they didn't have feelings for one another?

You could say Ollie didn't have to leave in the same way Lana did. But the point is that it was because he HAD to do something, not because he WANTED to do something. I just looked up a quick quote from Justice, where they broke up:

Oliver: Ever since my parents died... I've jumped around from city to city, from continent to continent. And... in all those years... not once have I regretted leaving anyone. But then I met you.
Lois: Then stay.

He regrets that he has to go. It's clear that they were forced apart by his obligation to do other things, not that he WANTED to go.

I'm not saying this makes Clark Lois' second choice, but I'm saying that if Lois is allowed to move on to Clark, why isn't Clark allowed to move onto Lois after similar break ups?

Edit: Here is the break up on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZD5eOB1E5U&feature=related. Certainly doesn't seem like a break up where they have closure, and are over each other.
You've made some strong points. Oliver and Lois did not part in agreement, it was forced. It wasn't a force as strong as Clark and Lana's, but it still wasn't something either of them wanted. Does this mean the green Arrow and the Black Canary cannot have a convincing relationship? It absolutely does NOT mean that.


There are two main reasons why I find the "Arctic" breakup different. First, there was no Clois development and near kiss prior to the "Arctic" breakup where Clark basically blew off Lois, like there is here prior to the "Requiem" breakup. Second, had I known at the time of "Arctic" that Lana only broke up with Clark because she was being forced to, I would certainly say that there was no real closure there either to the relationship. This being said, I don't think that the "Arctic" breakup was great closure either. The funny thing is that I think the "Hypnotic" breakup was actually much better than these two breakups because while it was a copout for Clark to lie to Lana about the way he really felt, at least it was his decision to lie. Nobody was forcing him to. I can live with Clark making decisions, even if they are not the smart decisions or the "right" decisions, but I cannot live with Clark basically having his back up against a wall and being forced to do something. That's wrong.

Actually, there has been Clois development for years now. It's kind of the reason we have such a large Clois fanbase here. The subtle hints at attraction all these years haven't been for mere entertainment. And Crimson wasn't just a coincidence. The level of affection Clark has had for Lois prior to season 8 wasn't much softer than his level of affection for her now. And whether Lana was forced to break up with Clark in Arctic or not, there was still no closure.

Basically, there is no connection between Clark being forced to live without Lana, and Clark developing feelings for Lois after he has moved on from Lana. The truest way to look at what I mean is to wonder, what would Clark tell you if you asked him, 10 years from now when he and Lois are together and in love, "would you want things to have been different? is Lana still the choice you would make?"

What would he say?

Because really, the best way to look at this, is to wonder how Clark would feel after he has fallen in love with Lois. We already know he would tell you the truth. And the truth is he would love Lois like no other woman.

Clark's love for Lois would be unquestionable, he would tell you. And that right there, my friend, is convincing.


See, I think that Lana returning this season pretty much proved the point that Clark didn't move on in season 8. I think that it was an out of sight, out of mind kind of thing. There's no way that I can believe that Clark was moving on when he made the decision to kiss Lana in "Bulletproof". It wasn't like Lana was twisting his arm to do that. When she came back, she never gave him the impression that she came back for a relationship. That was all on Clark. This is why I felt that it was absolutely vital that no romantic relationship start again between these two given past history.

It was all about closure. Or lack thereof. I see what you mean, and I really do want to agree with it. But I can't quite get over the Clois we've had in S8 before Lana's return. It was too real not to believe Clark wasn't over Lana. Sure, he went doe eyed once she returned, but before that, the budding relationship between Clark and Lois was great. It was not fake at all. I do wish it had blossomed into something much greater than what it was, but I'm still not going to ignore the electricity between the two in Committed and Bride.


I really don't consider myself a shipper at all. What I have done for years is defend Lois on the Chlois debate thread, even when it came to Clana. I was one of the ones who made points against Chloe because Clark chose Lana over her in the past so it would be very hypocritical of me to ignore all of this Clois/Clana stuff in season 8, since a near kiss between Clois didn't really do a lot to stop Clark from going back to Lana. But what I want most? I want Clark to look good and IMO, he can't look worse in this situation. He is being forced to breakup with Lana and now falling in love with Lois just doesn't seem right to me at this point. In all honesty, while this is certainly not the ideal situation, I would probably consider it to be better if Clark had actually had a relationship with Lois prior to this Clana mess because then I can at least have some canon that would place Lois on Clark's romantic radar. It bothers me that TPTB have put Clark into a situation where he has no option and can't come to any conclusions or realizations on his own.

Now it's your turn. Are you a shipper?
Thanks, and had I been interested in the Chlois debate, I would have been right there along side with you, defending Lois.

As for me, I refuse to consider myself a shipper. I rooted for Clana when Clark and Lana were together, I rooted for Loliver when Lois and Oliver were together, I even root for Chimmy. I want my couples happy, even if they aren't meant to last forever. So I don't root for one ship, while denying another. I hate how Chimmy and Clana get so much hate around here. But what I hate the most, is how anyone could so cruelly insist that Lois be defaced and replaced by another character to serve for a ship that has not, should not, and will never happen.

All I want is for the stars to align. If that means Lois and Clark falling in love, then I guess that's the relationship I root for :)

[myankskent]

You could say Ollie didn't have to leave in the same way Lana did. But the point is that it was because he HAD to do something, not because he WANTED to do something. I just looked up a quick quote from Justice, where they broke up:

Oliver: Ever since my parents died... I've jumped around from city to city, from continent to continent. And... in all those years... not once have I regretted leaving anyone. But then I met you.
Lois: Then stay.

I'm not saying this makes Clark Lois' second choice, but I'm saying that if Lois is allowed to move on to Clark, why isn't Clark allowed to move onto Lois after similar break ups?


Lois could've chosen to stay with Oliver. It wasn't like he was going away forever. I believe that she even stated that she'd only be able to see him on weekends. For Lois, that wasn't enough and she chose to let him go. So I really can't put Lois in the same league as Clark here.





Actually, there has been Clois development for years now. It's kind of the reason we have such a large Clois fanbase here. The subtle hints at attraction all these years haven't been for mere entertainment. And Crimson wasn't just a coincidence. The level of affection Clark has had for Lois prior to season 8 wasn't much softer than his level of affection for her now.


I agree that there has been Clois development over the years and that is why I hate the fact that as soon as they have a near kiss, it ends up meaning nothing to Clark for 4 straight episodes as he concentrates on Lana. With Clois on Smallville, I always felt that it was a mistake to begin with because of how many episodes that have been dedicated to Clana. However, if TPTB were going to do it, they needed to do it flawlessly and this arc is anything but flawless, IMO.




Basically, there is no connection between Clark being forced to live without Lana, and Clark developing feelings for Lois after he has moved on from Lana. The truest way to look at what I mean is to wonder, what would Clark tell you if you asked him, 10 years from now when he and Lois are together and in love, "would you want things to have been different? is Lana still the choice you would make?"

What would he say?


Honestly? I don't know. I know what he would say in the comic books because in the comic books, the Clana relationship was never this important and it didn't end with Clark still wanting to be with Lana. His hatred for Lex Luthor in the comic books had nothing to do with Lana Lang but in the Smallville mythology, Lex Luthor is going to be a constant reminder of how his relationship with Lana ended. Of course, Lex Luthor may very well be dead right now and that is another story I suppose.




Clark's love for Lois would be unquestionable, he would tell you. And that right there, my friend, is convincing.


How is it convincing when it's not based on anything that we have seen on this show? The only thing that I have seen on Smallville is Clark's love for Lana. So I can't really say for sure what is going to be convincing, especially considering the drastic differences mentioned above between Smallville and other versions of the Superman mythology.




It was all about closure. Or lack thereof. I see what you mean, and I really do want to agree with it. But I can't quite get over the Clois we've had in S8 before Lana's return. It was too real not to believe Clark wasn't over Lana. Sure, he went doe eyed once she returned, but before that, the budding relationship between Clark and Lois was great.


I guess I feel that TPTB had a chance to really respect and sell the Clois relationship on Smallville and with the situation in "Bride", they ruined it for me. Would it have been too much to ask for a Clark scene where he expresses just a little bit of interest in what Lois was doing or going through in these four episodes? I don't know. Like I said above, I went into these episodes hoping that Clana was going to end properly and when I saw it go from a kiss to another kiss to sex and more love between the two, I just feel that it went too far yet again.

[zHeN_zHeN]

I got the impression that the only reason why he didn't tell her in that final scene was because he was still recovering from the kryptonite. In any case, I don't think that Clark needed to say a word in this episode after all he went through just to kiss her. In "Requiem", actions speak louder than words for Clark.
Hmm... okay. Well, I still find it a bit odd that he didn't say it at all. Yet, Lana did.

Oh, well.

--EDIT--

I actually watched the scene again and he does say it! I wonder how I could have missed it the first time? Silly me.

[mr lane]

If that is so, why did Oliver refer to it as a "moment I'll regret for the rest of my life". That implies an obligation to leave, not a desire to break up. They were forced apart in a different way, and maybe not as strongly, but it was clear their break up wasn't about a lack of feeling between the two. How do you explain the resurgance of romance in Siren? Or the reference to lingering feelings in Toxic if they didn't have feelings for one another?

You could say Ollie didn't have to leave in the same way Lana did. But the point is that it was because he HAD to do something, not because he WANTED to do something. I just looked up a quick quote from Justice, where they broke up:

Oliver: Ever since my parents died... I've jumped around from city to city, from continent to continent. And... in all those years... not once have I regretted leaving anyone. But then I met you.
Lois: Then stay.

He regrets that he has to go. It's clear that they were forced apart by his obligation to do other things, not that he WANTED to go.

I'm not saying this makes Clark Lois' second choice, but I'm saying that if Lois is allowed to move on to Clark, why isn't Clark allowed to move onto Lois after similar break ups?

Edit: Here is the break up on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZD5eOB1E5U&feature=related. Certainly doesn't seem like a break up where they have closure, and are over each other.

their situation wasn't as complicated

but again Oliver still knew he had duties outside of himself and relationships he chose his duties over that

Lois "Then stay"

Oliver "I can't because there are more important things in this world than what i want or what i love someday i can explain why"

which is something Clark should have told Lana a long time ago instead of trying to continuously have a forced relationship

All in all there was more closure to their relationship Oliver told Lois he wasnt coming back so that gives Lois time to heal and move on instead of hoping and waiting.

If there was no closure then in this season they would continuously try to rekindle their relationship but they dont Oliver goes on to show feelings for Tess and Lois for Clark

In Clark and Lana's situation they were forced apart because Lana was over taken by kryptonite that doesnt give either time to heal or move on

in the back of their minds they'll always love each other and know they werent able to be together not because of choices either of them made on their own to end things in a reasonable way.

this is what both of them will always be thinking

"if i can just find a cure..."

All in all I belive you are able to move on from someone when you are able to see that person and really think and mean "i really do wish them all the best in life"

Clark and Lana have never had that.

[Cogito17]

their situation wasn't as complicated

but again Oliver still knew he had duties outside of himself and relationships he chose his duties over that

Lois "Then stay"

Oliver "I can't because there are more important things in this world than what i want or what i love someday i can explain why"

which is something Clark should have told Lana a long time ago instead of trying to continuously have a forced relationship

All in all there was more closure to their relationship Oliver told Lois he wasnt coming back so that gives Lois time to heal and move on instead of hoping and waiting.

If there was no closure then in this season they would continuously try to rekindle their relationship but they dont Oliver goes on to show feelings for Tess and Lois for Clark

In Clark and Lana's situation they were forced apart because Lana was over taken by kryptonite that doesnt give either time to heal or move on

in the back of their minds they'll always love each other and know they werent able to be together not because of choices either of them made on their own to end things in a reasonable way.

this is what both of them will always be thinking

"if i can just find a cure..."

All in all I belive you are able to move on from someone when you are able to see that person and really think and mean "i really do wish them all the best in life"

Clark and Lana have never had that.

I respectfully disagree. As you quoted in your post, Ollie says that he "wants" Lois and "loves" her, to me at least, that doesn't sound like very strong closure. Also, in terms of Ollie "not coming back", that didn't exactly work out either. There were sparks when he came back in Siren (Season 7, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXmAksQec80). And Lois certainly seemed to second guess herself in Toxic (Season 8, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPQF07pXRvQ&feature=related). I really don't see such a strong sense of closure here, but to each their own I suppose.

The point that I am really trying to make, is that at the very least, the two situations are comparable (I see them both as being forced apart by circumstance), yet people were perfectly accepting of Lois moving on from Oliver to Clark. But, without strong closure betwen Clark and Lana, people seem to think Clark moving on won't be acceptable.

[Serynarpc]

I just hope they wrap it for GOOD! I don't want Clark whining about her forever. I want them to put a good solid believible ending to this maddness!

Seconded. If I see more than three scenes of Clark going 'Waaa Lana', I will fast forward until something better comes along. If I skip half of an episode, so be it. I tune in to watch Clark -and his allies Chloe and Oliver (and yes, i a more oblivious regarding his powers, Lois- not Lana and the tear brigade.

[unfocused]

I agree that there has been Clois development over the years and that is why I hate the fact that as soon as they have a near kiss, it ends up meaning nothing to Clark for 4 straight episodes as he concentrates on Lana. With Clois on Smallville, I always felt that it was a mistake to begin with because of how many episodes that have been dedicated to Clana. However, if TPTB were going to do it, they needed to do it flawlessly and this arc is anything but flawless, IMO.
I find the Clois flawless in Smallville. It has never been easy for these two to begin the iconic relationship, and TPTB have respected that. And they haven't made it easy.

I don't understand why you're taking the season 8 Clois so seriously, I'd like to say "it was only a kiss" but it literally wasn't even THAT. It was only a mere attraction on Clark's end. He was barely questioning his feelings for Lois when Lana came back, whatever he felt for Lois wasn't even established in his heart yet, so it's not like Clark kicked her to the curb. And falling back in love with Lana is NOT a sin against Lois. I admit, I have loved the Clois through these few years, it's been awesome, but nothing had been set in stone. There was not any exclusiveness in their relationship at the time, and there still isn't.


Honestly? I don't know. I know what he would say in the comic books because in the comic books, the Clana relationship was never this important and it didn't end with Clark still wanting to be with Lana. His hatred for Lex Luthor in the comic books had nothing to do with Lana Lang but in the Smallville mythology, Lex Luthor is going to be a constant reminder of how his relationship with Lana ended. Of course, Lex Luthor may very well be dead right now and that is another story I suppose.

In the comics, Clark's love for Lois is deep, it's iconic and it's legend. That's how it will be portrayed in the Smallville universe. So the question of how strongly will Clark love Lois is already answered. There's no doubt that he will love Lois like no other. But you aren't convinced because he loves Lana this much right now and he didn't choose to leave her at this time? I don't buy it, it seems like just another way to downplay the Clois relationship. And that makes it kind of hard to agree with.

It doesn't matter that Clark wanted to be with Lana when it ended. As he moves on, he will want to be with Lois. And he will not want Lana anymore. And when this happens, he will obviously admit that he would choose Lois. So I don't see the problem.


How is it convincing when it's not based on anything that we have seen on this show? The only thing that I have seen on Smallville is Clark's love for Lana. So I can't really say for sure what is going to be convincing, especially considering the drastic differences mentioned above between Smallville and other versions of the Superman mythology.
It's based on canon. Clark and Lois WILL be together in the Smallville universe. And you really want to tell me he won't love her as much or even more than Lana? Do you really find these 8 years of whining, breaking up, making up, fighting and hating, among other things, a good relationship that will last forever? Because I don't. And it gives me more than enough reason to believe Clois will be so much better than Clana. Actually, the Clois has already been so much better than Clana, IMO, if you think about it. It's a more trusting, equal relationship.


I guess I feel that TPTB had a chance to really respect and sell the Clois relationship on Smallville and with the situation in "Bride", they ruined it for me. Would it have been too much to ask for a Clark scene where he expresses just a little bit of interest in what Lois was doing or going through in these four episodes? I don't know. Like I said above, I went into these episodes hoping that Clana was going to end properly and when I saw it go from a kiss to another kiss to sex and more love between the two, I just feel that it went too far yet again.
I'll just say again, the Clois relationship has been real, although underdeveloped if you ask me :lol: They are great teammates, and their friendship mirrors the classic friendship between them perfectly. I don't find anything fake in what Clark and Lois have right now :)

[Timester]

I respectfully disagree. As you quoted in your post, Ollie says that he "wants" Lois and "loves" her, to me at least, that doesn't sound like very strong closure. Also, in terms of Ollie "not coming back", that didn't exactly work out either. There were sparks when he came back in Siren (Season 7, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXmAksQec80). And Lois certainly seemed to second guess herself in Toxic (Season 8, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPQF07pXRvQ&feature=related). I really don't see such a strong sense of closure here, but to each their own I suppose.

The point that I am really trying to make, is that at the very least, the two situations are comparable (I see them both as being forced apart by circumstance), yet people were perfectly accepting of Lois moving on from Oliver to Clark. But, without strong closure betwen Clark and Lana, people seem to think Clark moving on won't be acceptable.

Apples and Oranges.

Lois and Ollie didn't stayed together because they choosed not to. Lana and Clark CAN'T stay together, they didn't choosed not to be together.

Far from comparable, because Lois and Ollie's circumstance is completely different from Lana and Clark's.

[unfocused]

Clark and Lana didn't choose to separate? It looked like Lana made the choice to leave, and Clark made the choice to let her leave... So yeah, they chose not to be together.

[Timester]

Clark and Lana didn't choose to separate? It looked like Lana made the choice to leave, and Clark made the choice to let her leave... So yeah, they chose not to be together.

So, the part that Lana KILLS Clark if they stay together doesn't matter? Heck, Clark even wanted her to stay in Smallville. Even if Clark runned after her, he would die.

If there was a closure, people wouldn't be discussing about the cure.

[unfocused]

No, that doesn't matter. Because they both made the choice to let the relationship end, just as Lois and Oliver did. Clark and Lana could have continued to search for a cure, and they could have stayed close enough to maintain a non physical relationship until a cure was found, as Clark suggested when he told her she could still stay.

[Drasix]

Clark and Lana didn't choose to separate? It looked like Lana made the choice to leave, and Clark made the choice to let her leave... So yeah, they chose not to be together.
She made the choice to leave because she couldnt live with seeing clark everday and not be able to touch him and Clark didnt "let" her leave.He didnt have a say in the matter

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Clark said he would find a way for them to be together and just because she left doesnt mean he will won't try to find it on his on

[Timester]

No, that doesn't matter. Because they both made the choice to let the relationship end, just as Lois and Oliver did. Clark and Lana could have continued to search for a cure, and they could have stayed close enough to maintain a non physical relationship until a cure was found, as Clark suggested when he told her she could still stay.

What? :confused:

They didn't made any choice, Lana did, all alone. Clark wanted Lana to stay. Clark couldn't stop Lana from leaving for the simple fact that he couldn't.

[Drasix]

in the comics he might have "loved lois like no other".But this isnt the comics..no where near.Theyve developed the clana relationship so much and so far thats theres no way he could ever love lois like he does lana.And if he does..thats just an epic fail on the writer's part.If the writers wanted clark to end up with lois they should have ended the clana relationship 4 seasons ago when lois first came into the picture

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What? :confused:

They didn't made any choice, Lana did, all alone. Clark wanted Lana to stay. Clark couldn't stop Lana from leaving for the simple fact that he couldn't.i agree

[Cogito17]

What? :confused:

They didn't made any choice, Lana did, all alone. Clark wanted Lana to stay. Clark couldn't stop Lana from leaving for the simple fact that he couldn't.

And Lois wanted Ollie to stay. It's pretty clear that the two didn't WANT to part ways, they decided that the HAD to part ways.



Oliver: Ever since my parents died... I've jumped around from city to city, from continent to continent. And... in all those years... not once have I regretted leaving anyone. But then I met you.
Lois: Then stay.

I think that's pretty cut and dry right there. I don't know how else you could interpret Lois saying "Then stay". If you go back and watch the scenes I posted earlier, it's clear that there is still romance between the two.

Clark wanted Lana to stay as well. But, again, its pretty clear that the two didn't WANT to part ways, the decided that they HAD to part ways.

Lana's case certainly presents a stronger necessity for the two to seperate. But the truth is (as they discussed in the episode), she still could have stayed around and just kept her distance from Clark.

Lana felt she HAD to leave, because she was infected with Kryptonite.
Oliver felt he HAD to leave, because he felt he needed to fight crime.

Lana technically could have stayed. Ollie technically could have stayed.

Again, I can't make this point enough... but why are the membrs of one relationship without strong closure allowed to move on, while the others aren't?

[Timester]

And Lois wanted Ollie to stay. It's pretty clear that the two didn't WANT to part ways, they decided that the HAD to part ways.

Yes, they decided together. Besides Ollie's wish to move on, there was nothing separating them.

Clark and Lana decided nothing. They wanted both to stay together, but the fact that Lana was KRYPTONITE GIRL didn't let that happen.

It's completely different. Ollie went away because he wanted to, Lana went away because she was forced to. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Let me put this way:

For Ollie, Justice > Lois.
For Lana, Kryptonite != Clark.

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Lana felt she HAD to leave, because she was infected with Kryptonite.
Oliver felt he HAD to leave, because he felt he needed to fight crime.

That's the problem right there, you are comparing a feeling with a need. Ollie didn't need to fight crime, he felt it strongly than he felt being with Lois. Lana NEEDED to be away from Clark for the fact that she would kill him otherwise.

[mr lane]

Yes, they decided together. Besides Ollie's wish to move on, there was nothing separating them.

Clark and Lana decided nothing. They wanted both to stay together, but the fact that Lana was KRYPTONITE GIRL didn't let that happen.

It's completely different. Ollie went away because he wanted to, Lana went away because she was forced to. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Let me put this way:

For Ollie, Justice > Lois.
For Lana, Kryptonite != Clark.

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That's the problem right there, you are comparing a feeling with a need. Ollie didn't need to fight crime, he felt it strongly than he felt being with Lois. Lana NEEDED to be away from Clark for the fact that she would kill him otherwise.

i agree

to put it more simply

even though they didnt want to Oliver and Lois made their decisions to be apart

Clark and Lana didnt make a decision circumstances forced them apart.

[Drasix]

i agree and think clark and lana will remedy their situation somehow...kristin has already said that shes open to come back for the series finale so its looking pretty good

[mr lane]

i agree and think clark and lana will remedy their situation somehow...kristin has already said that shes open to come back for the series finale so its looking pretty good


i dont know the series finale seems to be this finale

and when she said she was open to come back for it she still seemed iffy

but in another interview i posted a couple of pages back she states that requiem closed Lana's storyline

and its fact that KK had a lot of input in Lana's arc these past episodes so Im thinking shes pretty happy with how her character left it would take a big big storyline to get her to come back

i think if theres a season 9 then maybe there might be a return

[myankskent]

I don't understand why you're taking the season 8 Clois so seriously, I'd like to say "it was only a kiss" but it literally wasn't even THAT.


So now Clois is not serious in season 8? IMO, the Clois that we have received in season 8 has been much deeper than in any other season. Now it sounds like Clois in season 8 is being downplayed so that it doesn't look bad when Lana returned. I don't agree with that.




In the comics, Clark's love for Lois is deep, it's iconic and it's legend. That's how it will be portrayed in the Smallville universe.


And when Clark's love for Lana is extremely deep and unresolved, that right there puts the Clois relationship in a tough spot.



So the question of how strongly will Clark love Lois is already answered. There's no doubt that he will love Lois like no other. But you aren't convinced because he loves Lana this much right now and he didn't choose to leave her at this time? I don't buy it, it seems like just another way to downplay the Clois relationship. And that makes it kind of hard to agree with.


What I don't buy is the assumption that Clark is going to love Lois like no other. There is nothing on this show to this point that indicates that and the only reason this argument is being made is because of the comic books. You even said above that Clois in season 8 was not that serious and now you're telling me that Clark is going to love Lois like no other? Again, I'm not saying that TPTB won't do this. What I am saying is that I just don't see it being a realistic storyline on this particular show.



It doesn't matter that Clark wanted to be with Lana when it ended. As he moves on, he will want to be with Lois.


And here, I use season 8 as an example. You said earlier that Clark was moving on from Lana in season 8 and then as soon as Lana came back, he decided to get back together with her. Therefore, the sentence that you just typed above doesn't make any sense, IMO, because if it was true that as Clark moves on, he'll want to be with Lois, why did this not happen in season 8?




Actually, the Clois has already been so much better than Clana, IMO, if you think about it. It's a more trusting, equal relationship.


It's not a relationship yet. Do I think that Clois will be a better relationship than Clana? Honestly, I'm not convinced that TPTB can create any relationship on this show and handle it properly, which is why I never wanted Clois on Smallville. These writers are just not that good anymore.

[Drasix]

yeah i think if there is another season she'll make a return..at least for the 2 hour finale maybe

[Cogito17]

Yes, they decided together. Besides Ollie's wish to move on, there was nothing separating them.

Clark and Lana decided nothing. They wanted both to stay together, but the fact that Lana was KRYPTONITE GIRL didn't let that happen.

It's completely different. Ollie went away because he wanted to, Lana went away because she was forced to. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Let me put this way:

For Ollie, Justice > Lois.
For Lana, Kryptonite != Clark.

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That's the problem right there, you are comparing a feeling with a need. Ollie didn't need to fight crime, he felt it strongly than he felt being with Lois. Lana NEEDED to be away from Clark for the fact that she would kill him otherwise.

OK, let me try to spell it out like this then. There are two things which can end here.

1. The actual relationship, the status as a couple.
2. The feelings of affection/love between the two.

In both cases, I think it's fairly obvious that #1 ended between both Lana/Clark and Oliver/Lois. However, in both cases, if you go back and look at the quotes I posted and the scenes, the emotional attachment was not given clear closure. If it is perfectly acceptable to show Lois falling for Clark when #2 (the emotional attachment) has not been given clear closure, why is it not okay for Clark to do the same?

The ending of the relationship does not equal the ending of the feelings.


i agree

to put it more simply

even though they didnt want to Oliver and Lois made their decisions to be apart

Clark and Lana didnt make a decision circumstances forced them apart.

You could also say the circumstance of Oliver needing to help people/save the world/etc forced Lois and Oliver apart. If this is not the case, please point me to the scene where they both decided it was best for them to be apart, that it wasn't something done out of necessity. At what point in the show did they show Lois and Oliver saying that they WANT to break up, not that they NEED to break up because of Ollie's circumstances? I have provided quotes and videoclips showing the opposite. So, again, I ask for some proof, in the show, that the two WANTED to break up, not that they HAD to break up because Oliver was doing other things.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

Comparing the Oliver and Lois break up and the Clark and Lana Break up is exactly like comparing apples and oranges. I know people have said this before but I just want to reiterate this. Sorry if it's being dragged on.

Anyways Oliver and Lois had a mutual break up where they both understood that it wasn't going to work out for them. Oliver felt his duty of fighting crime was more important than staying with Lois. Lois felt that she was being side stepped for Oliver not always being there for her. Yes she wanted him to stay, but he said no as hard as it was for him. And she excepted that it was all or nothing for her and she left. This a mature breakup by two adults.

Now let me refer to the Toxic scene. Of coarse Lois is going to be devastated if something happens to Oliver, they were a couple together and they a strong relationship. Lois still loves him maybe not in a romantic way but she still loves him.
And if Lois still had strong romantic feelings for Oliver after Toxic then TPTB would have built on it but it didn't happen. And they were just friends as seen in Bride.

The Clark and Lana breakup is so different. These two were literally and figuratively forced apart by Kryptonite. If Lana did not absorb the Kryptonite and the situation was resolved in some other way. There is no doubt in my mind that this couple would still be together. The fact here is that Lana had no choice but to leave because if she stayed she would be a immense danger to Clark. She could eventually kill Clark slowly by Kryptonite radiation. And how sad would it be for Clark and Lana to be around each other and not even hold hands because it would possible kill Clark. Clark wanted Lana to stay and Lana also wanted to stay but it was basically the Kryptonite that forced them apart. They still love each other. So this relationship has no true closure because it was something physical that made them stay apart. It wasn't that they both believed it wouldn't work out like Oliver and Lois. It was forced and left as a open book.

[InAFlash]

I was definitely satisfied with the ending to Clana. For 7+ season I have bought into the idea that Lana and Clark were meant for each other. Although they often ended apart because of their own bad choices I believe that true love can do that. Most people are so afraid of true love that they will sabotage the experience of being happy and in love because of deep seated fears and beliefs. However, during this five episode arc the writers seem to be showing us that both Clark and Lana had matured past the dysfunctional stage of their relationship and were ready to make a commitment to loving one another and finally being together. They had gotten rid of all obstacles to their love. Unfortunatley Lex's devious plan will now keep them apart possibly forever.

This was one of my favorite episodes. I loved the ending. It was beautiful and tragic at the same time. What a wonderful moment the writers gave to us Clana fans showing how much these two truly love each other and how they will always hold a special place in each other's hearts. IMO a fitting end to Clana.

Smallville never had to follow Superman canon to satisfy or entertain me. I love all versions of Superman: comics, movies, cartoons, and TV shows. If the writers want to show me that Clark loves Lana Lang in this version of the story I'm all for it. The biggest reason I'm a fan of Clana is the chemistry between Tom and Kristin. Kristin could've played Lois Lane and I would have felt the same way. The point is those two did a great job playing off of each other for 7+ years and deserved an ending like this. Bravo to Tom and Kristin. I will surely miss seeing the two of them together.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

Yes, they decided together. Besides Ollie's wish to move on, there was nothing separating them.

Clark and Lana decided nothing. They wanted both to stay together, but the fact that Lana was KRYPTONITE GIRL didn't let that happen.

It's completely different. Ollie went away because he wanted to, Lana went away because she was forced to. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Let me put this way:

For Ollie, Justice > Lois.
For Lana, Kryptonite != Clark.

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That's the problem right there, you are comparing a feeling with a need. Ollie didn't need to fight crime, he felt it strongly than he felt being with Lois. Lana NEEDED to be away from Clark for the fact that she would kill him otherwise.

Exactly!

[myankskent]

The Clark and Lana breakup is so different. These two were literally and figuratively forced apart by Kryptonite. If Lana did not absorb the Kryptonite and the situation was resolved in some other way. There is no doubt in my mind that this couple would still be together.


Right, and I just want to touch on another point here. I've read arguments saying that even if Lana didn't become kryptonite infected, Clana still would've broken up again down the road. Well that might be true, but I can very easily say that if they did break up again, they would get back together again after that. Why? Because that's what the history of this show has taught me to believe. Until TPTB have the guts to change the feelings that Clark and Lana have for each other, they would always come back to each other in a romantic sense. That's the problem with this kryptonite breakup. TPTB are forcing them apart so that even if they want to be together, they physically cannot be.

TPTB are not going to the root of the problem with Clana and fixing it. The root of the problem is that they love each other and continue to come back to each other no matter what happens. Instead of stopping this from happening, TPTB are simply repairing the problem with some tape in the form of kryptonite. Therefore, the problem is still kind of up in the air and when the problem is up in the air, it makes it very difficult to buy into any future relationships that these two characters will have down the road.

[mr lane]

OK, let me try to spell it out like this then. There are two things which can end here.

1. The actual relationship, the status as a couple.
2. The feelings of affection/love between the two.

In both cases, I think it's fairly obvious that #1 ended between both Lana/Clark and Oliver/Lois. However, in both cases, if you go back and look at the quotes I posted and the scenes, the emotional attachment was not given clear closure. If it is perfectly acceptable to show Lois falling for Clark when #2 (the emotional attachment) has not been given clear closure, why is it not okay for Clark to do the same?

The ending of the relationship does not != the ending of the feelings.

thats exactly what were looking at

of course Lois and Ollie were still going to having feelings but since their department wasn't forced because of circumstances beyond their control they have room to move on

again as ive stated we see where Ollie and Lois have run into each other plenty of times this season but they dont see the need to rekindle what they had. Yes Lois said somethings in Toxic but Ollie was dying its only natural that a person would want to talk about feelings they have put away when someone is dying and ollie was unconscious so he didnt even hear what she said and she never brought it up later.

Oliver even gives Lois advice that Clark needs her. could someone with no closer do that?

Now if Lana were to come back cured or with a cure Clark would immediately jump

could you see Lana or Clark giving the other advice about moving onto someone else with the circumstances of how they were forced apart? No

[Drasix]

Now if Lana were to come back cured or with a cure Clark would immediately jump

could you see Lana or Clark giving the other advice about moving onto someone else with the circumstances of how they were forced apart? No
words never rang truer

[Dobson]

You know the sad thing is the writers could be sitting there saying amongst themsleves " we literaly showed that Lana was poison to Clark", and not understand why some people are upset

[Drasix]

Comparing the Oliver and Lois break up and the Clark and Lana Break up is exactly like comparing apples and oranges. I know people have said this before but I just want to reiterate this. Sorry if it's being dragged on.

Anyways Oliver and Lois had a mutual break up where they both understood that it wasn't going to work out for them. Oliver felt his duty of fighting crime was more important than staying with Lois. Lois felt that she was being side stepped for Oliver not always being there for her. Yes she wanted him to stay, but he said no as hard as it was for him. And she excepted that it was all or nothing for her and she left. This a mature breakup by two adults.

Now let me refer to the Toxic scene. Of coarse Lois is going to be devastated if something happens to Oliver, they were a couple together and they a strong relationship. Lois still loves him maybe not in a romantic way but she still loves him.
And if Lois still had strong romantic feelings for Oliver after Toxic then TPTB would have built on it but it didn't happen. And they were just friends as seen in Bride.

The Clark and Lana breakup is so different. These two were literally and figuratively forced apart by Kryptonite. If Lana did not absorb the Kryptonite and the situation was resolved in some other way. There is no doubt in my mind that this couple would still be together. The fact here is that Lana had no choice but to leave because if she stayed she would be a immense danger to Clark. She could eventually kill Clark slowly by Kryptonite radiation. And how sad would it be for Clark and Lana to be around each other and not even hold hands because it would possible kill Clark. Clark wanted Lana to stay and Lana also wanted to stay but it was basically the Kryptonite that forced them apart. They still love each other. So this relationship has no true closure because it was something physical that made them stay apart. It wasn't that they both believed it wouldn't work out like Oliver and Lois. It was forced and left as a open book.
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[quote=InAFlash;4446480]I was definitely satisfied with the ending to Clana. For 7+ season I have bought into the idea that Lana and Clark were meant for each other. Although they often ended apart because of their own bad choices I believe that true love can do that. Most people are so afraid of true love that they will sabotage the experience of being happy and in love because of deep seated fears and beliefs. However, during this five episode arc the writers seem to be showing us that both Clark and Lana had matured past the dysfunctional stage of their relationship and were ready to make a commitment to loving one another and finally being together. They had gotten rid of all obstacles to their love. Unfortunatley Lex's devious plan will now keep them apart possibly forever.

This was one of my favorite episodes. I loved the ending. It was beautiful and tragic at the same time. What a wonderful moment the writers gave to us Clana fans showing how much these two truly love each other and how they will always hold a special place in each other's hearts. IMO a fitting end to Clana.

Smallville never had to follow Superman canon to satisfy or entertain me. I love all versions of Superman: comics, movies, cartoons, and TV shows. If the writers want to show me that Clark loves Lana Lang in this version of the story I'm all for it. The biggest reason I'm a fan of Clana is the chemistry between Tom and Kristin. Kristin could've played Lois Lane and I would have felt the same way. The point is those two did a great job playing off of each other for 7+ years and deserved an ending like this. Bravo to Tom and Kristin. I will surely miss seeing the two of them together.i agree but hope she comes back for series finale

[myankskent]

You know the sad thing is the writers could be sitting there saying amongst themsleves " we literaly showed that Lana was poison to Clark", and not understand why some people are upset

That's not good enough for me because it doesn't address the real issue with Clana, which is the feelings that they have for each other. If the feelings that they have for each other weren't strong, that would be a different story but saying that Lana was poison to Clark after TPTB made her go out a hero and just created another round of serious romantic Clana doesn't sit well with me.

[Timester]

words never rang truer

Believe me, people are not defending Clana here, quite the opposite.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

Right, and I just want to touch on another point here. I've read arguments saying that even if Lana didn't become kryptonite infected, Clana still would've broken up again down the road. Well that might be true, but I can very easily say that if they did break up again, they would get back together again after that. Why? Because that's what the history of this show has taught me to believe. Until TPTB have the guts to change the feelings that Clark and Lana have for each other, they would always come back to each other in a romantic sense. That's the problem with this kryptonite breakup. TPTB are forcing them apart so that even if they want to be together, they physically cannot be.

TPTB are not going to the root of the problem with Clana and fixing it. The root of the problem is that they love each other and continue to come back to each other no matter what happens. Instead of stopping this from happening, TPTB are simply repairing the problem with some tape in the form of kryptonite. Therefore, the problem is still kind of up in the air and when the problem is up in the air, it makes it very difficult to buy into any future relationships that these two characters will have down the road.

ITA and this is why if a Lois and Clark relationship is attempted it would just be wrong.
Because in the end there will always be the lingering cloud of Lana...for Clark. The what if... scenario would always come up. And the true hatred for Lex would be mostly because he devised a plan to separate Lana from him! Lois will not be considered as Clarks true love because the Lana Cloud will always be in the air.

[Drasix]

You know the sad thing is the writers could be sitting there saying amongst themsleves " we literaly showed that Lana was poison to Clark", and not understand why some people are upset
im upset because they built up the clana relationship so much over 7 1/2 seasons thats its impossible for me to believe that they dont belong together.IMO If they wanted him to be with someone else they should have booted lana off the show years ago

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ITA and this is why if a Lois and Clark relationship is attempted it would just be wrong.
Because in the end there will always be the lingering cloud of Lana...for Clark. The what if... scenario would always come up. And the true hatred for Lex would be mostly because he devised a plan to separate Lana from him! Lois will not be considered as Clarks true love because the Lana Cloud will always be in the air.thank you!! im so glad someone else thinks that clois would be a mistake

[Dobson]

That's not good enough for me because it doesn't address the real issue with Clana, which is the feelings that they have for each other. If the feelings that they have for each other weren't strong, that would be a different story but saying that Lana was poison to Clark after TPTB made her go out a hero and just created another round of serious romantic Clana doesn't sit well with me.

Oh I'm with you on that, i was just commenting that they probably didn't get it.

[Timester]

thank you!! im so glad someone else thinks that clois would be a mistake

Again, people aren't defending Clana and attacking Clois.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

That's not good enough for me because it doesn't address the real issue with Clana, which is the feelings that they have for each other. If the feelings that they have for each other weren't strong, that would be a different story but saying that Lana was poison to Clark after TPTB made her go out a hero and just created another round of serious romantic Clana doesn't sit well with me.

Same feelings here by friend.

[mr lane]

ITA and this is why if a Lois and Clark relationship is attempted it would just be wrong.
Because in the end there will always be the lingering cloud of Lana...for Clark. The what if... scenario would always come up. And the true hatred for Lex would be mostly because he devised a plan to separate Lana from him! Lois will not be considered as Clarks true love because the Lana Cloud will always be in the air.

ITA even though I am a Cloiser to see their relationship develop so fast in a short amount after time especially after these past five episodes would just be ludicrous

[Kid Collins]

I was definitely satisfied with the ending to Clana. For 7+ season I have bought into the idea that Lana and Clark were meant for each other. Although they often ended apart because of their own bad choices I believe that true love can do that. Most people are so afraid of true love that they will sabotage the experience of being happy and in love because of deep seated fears and beliefs. However, during this five episode arc the writers seem to be showing us that both Clark and Lana had matured past the dysfunctional stage of their relationship and were ready to make a commitment to loving one another and finally being together. They had gotten rid of all obstacles to their love. Unfortunatley Lex's devious plan will now keep them apart possibly forever.

This was one of my favorite episodes. I loved the ending. It was beautiful and tragic at the same time. What a wonderful moment the writers gave to us Clana fans showing how much these two truly love each other and how they will always hold a special place in each other's hearts. IMO a fitting end to Clana.


I agree with your entire post. Clana fans didn't get screwed over. And I'm grateful that TPTB had the courage to follow through with the bittersweet ending.

And not go with some members here who wanted Lana to just be Clark's friend and have Clark discuss his feelings for Lois and have Lana be the cheerleader for Clark's new feelings for her. :rolleyes:


Smallville never had to follow Superman canon to satisfy or entertain me. I love all versions of Superman: comics, movies, cartoons, and TV shows. If the writers want to show me that Clark loves Lana Lang in this version of the story I'm all for it. The biggest reason I'm a fan of Clana is the chemistry between Tom and Kristin. Kristin could've played Lois Lane and I would have felt the same way. The point is those two did a great job playing off of each other for 7+ years and deserved an ending like this. Bravo to Tom and Kristin. I will surely miss seeing the two of them together.

I feel the same way. It's all about the chemistry for me. How believable are the couple? And KK and TW sold Clana for me.

I'm also not a blind shipper. I watched some Lois & Clark DVD's and I liked Clois! But not in SV. They just don't have that chemistry, imho.

And your right, if KK played Lois in SV, I probably would've started shipping Clois because I think the Clois chemistry would've been so much sparkier with KK in the role. No disrespect to ED intended.

[mr lane]

im upset because they built up the clana relationship so much over 7 1/2 seasons thats its impossible for me to believe that they dont belong together.IMO If they wanted him to be with someone else they should have booted lana off the show years ago

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thank you!! im so glad someone else thinks that clois would be a mistake

ITA

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

im upset because they built up the clana relationship so much over 7 1/2 seasons thats its impossible for me to believe that they dont belong together.IMO If they wanted him to be with someone else they should have booted lana off the show years ago

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thank you!! im so glad someone else thinks that clois would be a mistake

You are welcome. :)

[myankskent]

thank you!! im so glad someone else thinks that clois would be a mistake

Believe me, you're not alone. I think that the Smallville writing team should realize that they have screwed up here when you have plenty of Cloisers who are now against the romance.

[Timester]

And not go with some members here who wanted Lana to just be Clark's friend and have Clark discuss his feelings for Lois and have Lana be the cheerleader for Clark's new feelings for her. :rolleyes:

Pst, it's going to be like that, like it or not. That's why this closure sucked.

Again, this is about the story, not the ships.

[Cogito17]

thats exactly what were looking at

of course Lois and Ollie were still going to having feelings but since their department wasn't forced because of circumstances beyond their control they have room to move on

again as ive stated we see where Ollie and Lois have run into each other plenty of times this season but they dont see the need to rekindle what they had. Yes Lois said somethings in Toxic but Ollie was dying its only natural that a person would want to talk about feelings they have put away when someone is dying and ollie was unconscious so he didnt even hear what she said and she never brought it up later.

Oliver even gives Lois advice that Clark needs her. could someone with no closer do that?

Now if Lana were to come back cured or with a cure Clark would immediately jump

could you see Lana or Clark giving the other advice about moving onto someone else with the circumstances of how they were forced apart? No

OK, I'll ask again... where is the scene/line/statement where Oliver and Lois stated that they wanted to be apart, not that they HAD to be apart? If it is not something that they WANTED to do, then there was something else influencing them to break apart. Show me a scene/quote some kind of proof that the two WANTED to be apart, not that they HAD to be apart.

The scene in Bride which you refer to is already well AFTER Lois has fallen for Clark. If she can fall for Clark without strong closure, why can't Clark fall for her under the same circumstances.

Also, you are assuming that Clark would go back to Lana, which could develop to be untrue. I think up until Bride, it was certainly possible that Lois would have gone back to Oliver given the chance. (See my earlier posts with scenes from Siren/Toxic)

I am not trying to cheapen Lois' feelings for Clark, just the opposite. I am saying that I am perfectly accepting of her moving on to develop feelings for Clark, in the same way that Clark can develop feelings for her without it being "tainted" by their prior relationships.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

This whole shipper idea saddens me. I'm happy for all the Clana fans who got what they wanted. But it is just sad that TPTB have to alienate one group of fandom for the other to be happy. What is more sad is the fact that Clark's character and integrity have been weakened for Lana to be heightened in character. This doesn't seem right. I don't want to start any flame wars or anything. I just want to state my opinion. And yes I am happy for the Clana fans, I do mean it. I just wish that there was proper closure to the relationship between Clark and Lana.

[Timester]

OK, I'll ask again... where is the scene/line/statement where Oliver and Lois stated that they wanted to be apart, not that they HAD to be apart? If it is not something that they WANTED to do, then there was something else influencing them to break apart. Show me a scene/quote some kind of proof that the two WANTED to be apart, not that they HAD to be apart.

Ollie needed to go to the other side of the world to blow up LuthorCorp bases? Since when?

[supes0]

Believe me, you're not alone. I think that the Smallville writing team should realize that they have screwed up here when you have plenty of Cloisers who are now against the romance.

Not only that, but when some canon fans are rooting for a Clana ending. DC brought back the multiverse, let SV exist on a 'different' earth if you will.

What I'm worried about is if it's convenient to the story, Lana will be cured offscreen, I don't want to see that. But I wouldn't put it past this crew.

[myankskent]

OK, I'll ask again... where is the scene/line/statement where Oliver and Lois stated that they wanted to be apart, not that they HAD to be apart?


Lois stated that she didn't WANT to be in a relationship with a guy who she would only get to see on the weekends. What she wanted was to see him everyday and she couldn't have that. Therefore, she broke up with him. This is not something that she had to do or was forced to do.

[thehenry89]

OK, I'll ask again... where is the scene/line/statement where Oliver and Lois stated that they wanted to be apart, not that they HAD to be apart? If it is not something that they WANTED to do, then there was something else influencing them to break apart. Show me a scene/quote some kind of proof that the two WANTED to be apart, not that they HAD to be apart.

The scene in Bride which you refer to is already well AFTER Lois has fallen for Clark. If she can fall for Clark without strong closure, why can't Clark fall for her under the same circumstances.

Also, you are assuming that Clark would go back to Lana, which could develop to be untrue. I think up until Bride, it was certainly possible that Lois would have gone back to Oliver given the chance. (See my earlier posts with scenes from Siren/Toxic)

I am not trying to cheapen Lois' feelings for Clark, just the opposite. I am saying that I am perfectly accepting of her moving on to develop feelings for Clark, in the same way that Clark can develop feelings for her without it being "tainted" by their prior relationships.

Lois and ollie did have strong closure, Lois realized that she didn't want to come second to ollie's superhero activities so she broke it off for good.

[mr lane]

OK, I'll ask again... where is the scene/line/statement where Oliver and Lois stated that they wanted to be apart, not that they HAD to be apart? If it is not something that they WANTED to do, then there was something else influencing them to break apart. Show me a scene/quote some kind of proof that the two WANTED to be apart, not that they HAD to be apart.

The scene in Bride which you refer to is already well AFTER Lois has fallen for Clark. If she can fall for Clark without strong closure, why can't Clark fall for her under the same circumstances.

Also, you are assuming that Clark would go back to Lana, which could develop to be untrue. I think up until Bride, it was certainly possible that Lois would have gone back to Oliver given the chance. (See my earlier posts with scenes from Siren/Toxic)

I am not trying to cheapen Lois' feelings for Clark, just the opposite. I am saying that I am perfectly accepting of her moving on to develop feelings for Clark, in the same way that Clark can develop feelings for her without it being "tainted" by their prior relationships.

Oliver left because he wanted to not because he had to

he wasnt forced to leave because he couldn't physically be near Lois

even though it would have been selfish he could have dropped his act as the green arrow and stayed with Lois

there was nothing getting in the way of that decision, physically.

Lois was given the chance to go back to Oliver IN SIREN and she told him she didn't want to come second to his super hero act

so if Lois had already told him NO in siren why would there still be a chance of them getting together up until bride?

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Lois stated that she didn't WANT to be in a relationship with a guy who she would only get to see on the weekends. What she wanted was to see him everyday and she couldn't have that. Therefore, she broke up with him. This is not something that she had to do or was forced to do.

agreed

[bigblueplanet]

Believe me, you're not alone. I think that the Smallville writing team should realize that they have screwed up here when you have plenty of Cloisers who are now against the romance.

I think they knew when they wrote this arc. (Otherwise I would doubt their sense of logic.)

It’s not only Clois fans. They screwed Superman fans big time by tarnishing Clark’s character like this. Many of us thinks this show is disrespectful for the name of Superman. I really hope they will be able to redeem Clark by the end of the series.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

OK, I'll ask again... where is the scene/line/statement where Oliver and Lois stated that they wanted to be apart, not that they HAD to be apart? If it is not something that they WANTED to do, then there was something else influencing them to break apart. Show me a scene/quote some kind of proof that the two WANTED to be apart, not that they HAD to be apart.

The scene in Bride which you refer to is already well AFTER Lois has fallen for Clark. If she can fall for Clark without strong closure, why can't Clark fall for her under the same circumstances.

Also, you are assuming that Clark would go back to Lana, which could develop to be untrue. I think up until Bride, it was certainly possible that Lois would have gone back to Oliver given the chance. (See my earlier posts with scenes from Siren/Toxic)

I am not trying to cheapen Lois' feelings for Clark, just the opposite. I am saying that I am perfectly accepting of her moving on to develop feelings for Clark, in the same way that Clark can develop feelings for her without it being "tainted" by their prior relationships.

Both Ollie and Lois had a mature breakup I already stated this before. If you look back at siren I don't remember the exact dialogue between Lois and Clark, but Lois states that she doesn't want to be second best. She says this might be selfish of her to think like this, but she doesn't want to be second best etc... This hear clearly shows that they both had made a mature decision to stay apart.

Why do you believe that after Bride Lois would have gone back to Oliver? There is no indication of this. She even states that its awkward for her to discuss her feelings with a ex-boyfriend.

If there was a cure Clark and Lana would be back together, Just put yourself in Clarks shoes.

[myankskent]

I think they knew when they wrote this arc. (Otherwise I would doubt their sense of logic.)

It’s not only Clois fans. They screwed Superman fans big time by tarnishing Clark’s character like this. Many of us thinks this show is disrespectful for the name of Superman. I really hope they will be able to redeem Clark by the end of the series.

I totally agree and that is why I am scared to death of these remaining episodes because I don't see how Clark's character is going to end up looking better. If he doesn't look for a cure, he looks bad. If he forgets about Lana and falls in love with Lois, he looks bad. TPTB have put Clark into a situation where whatever he does, he's not going to gain any points from me, IMO.

[mr lane]

Both Ollie and Lois had a mature breakup I already stated this before. If you look back at siren I don't remember the exact dialogue between Lois and Clark, but Lois states that she doesn't want to be second best. She says this might be selfish of her to think like this, but she doesn't want to be second best etc... This hear clearly shows that they both had made a mature decision to stay apart.

Why do you believe that after Bride Lois would have gone back to Oliver? There is no indication of this. She even states that its awkward for her to discuss her feelings with a ex-boyfriend.

If there was a cure Clark and Lana would be back together, Just put yourself in Clarks shoes.

agreed

Lois isnt insecure about her feelings line Lana to go back on her decisions.

[supes0]

I totally agree and that is why I am scared to death of these remaining episodes because I don't see how Clark's character is going to end up looking better.

It's all going to be utterly illogical and make no sense. Make no mistake, at some point Clark is going to say to somebody Lois is his soulmate. Will the audience buy it? I don't think the writers care.

And as I said in another post, if there is a season 9, I wouldn't put it past them to cure Lana off screen, and have Clark tell Chloe they both realized they are over each other. Saves them money and cleans this up on the cheap. Again, will the audience buy it? I don't think the writers care.

I do not want to see clois, but I fear it's coming, and I'm betting it's going to be one sided on Clark's end this time.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

I totally agree and that is why I am scared to death of these remaining episodes because I don't see how Clark's character is going to end up looking better. If he doesn't look for a cure, he looks bad. If he forgets about Lana and falls in love with Lois, he looks bad. TPTB have put Clark into a situation where whatever he does, he's not going to gain any points from me, IMO.

This is the main dilemma he is going to look bad in whatever direction they attempt to drive his character towards. If he doesn't look for a cure he, looks weak...look how much he did to save Chloe in Legion. How can you just forget about Lana when they were tragically forced apart? If he movies on to Lois it's just for the sake of pleasing a few fans, but there is always the what if scenario with Lana...

[myankskent]

She says this might be selfish of her to think like this, but she doesn't want to be second best etc...

And this is something that breaks my heart for Lois on Smallville. If she ever were to find out exactly what happened between Clana in season 8, there's just no way that she would ever want to be with Clark. That's why I'm afraid TPTB will have Clark lie to her and sweep everything under the rug.

[thehenry89]

It's all going to be utterly illogical and make no sense. Make no mistake, at some point Clark is going to say to somebody Lois is his soulmate. Will the audience buy it? I don't think they care.

And as I said in another post, if there is a season 9, I wouldn't put it past them to cure Lana off screen, and have Clark tell Chloe they both realized they are over each other. Saves them money and cleans this up on the cheap. Again, will the audience buy it? I don't think they care.

I do not want to see clois, but I fear it's coming, and I'm betting it's going to be one sided on Clark's end this time.

ITA, but the question is not weither the general audience will buy it, it's will the people who analyse every detail and know this show by heart backwards and forwards buy it. about four million people watch this show every week, not all of them are k-site members :lol:.

[Cogito17]

You misinterpreted me, I meant before Bride, I think there is evidence she would have gone back.

It's this simple.

1. Provide me with proof that Oliver and Lois broke up because they did not feel affection/love towards one another.

2. If there is no such proof, why did they break up?

If it is anything other than a lack of affection between the two, then it is an outside influence.

[thehenry89]

You misinterpreted me, I meant before Bride, I think there is evidence she would have gone back.

It's this simple.

1. Provide me with proof that Oliver and Lois broke up because they did not feel affection/love towards one another.

2. If there is no such proof, why did they break up?

If it is anything other than a lack of affection between the two, then it is an outside influence.

The only way for the oliiver/lois break up to be compared to the clark/lana break up is if some nut job grafted chainsaws to lois' skin and she had to leave town foever.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

And this is something that breaks my heart for Lois on Smallville. If she ever were to find out exactly what happened between Clana in season 8, there's just no way that she would ever want to be with Clark. That's why I'm afraid TPTB will have Clark lie to her and sweep everything under the rug.

I'm a Lois fan and it stings just to think that TPTB will just sweep this under the rug. Poor Lois she deserves more then this. She has been a pivotal part of this show and to have her degraded is just sad.

[supes0]

ITA, but the question is not weither the general audience will buy it, it's will the people who analyse every detail and know this show by heart backwards and forwards buy it. about four million people watch this show every week, not all of them are k-site members :lol:.

:lol:

I should have said I don't think the writers care. I'll edit appropriately!

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

You misinterpreted me, I meant before Bride, I think there is evidence she would have gone back.

It's this simple.

1. Provide me with proof that Oliver and Lois broke up because they did not feel affection/love towards one another.

2. If there is no such proof, why did they break up?

If it is anything other than a lack of affection between the two, then it is an outside influence.


I'm sorry and I'm not trying to be mean in anyway towards you but I really don't understand your reasoning. I think many of us have posted the logical difference between the Lois and Ollie relationship and the Clark and Lana relationship. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Maybe someone else can clarify your doubts because I don't understand. I'm sorry and I again I am not trying to put down your opinion, I just don't agree with it.

[Timester]

You misinterpreted me, I meant before Bride, I think there is evidence she would have gone back.

It's this simple.

1. Provide me with proof that Oliver and Lois broke up because they did not feel affection/love towards one another.

2. If there is no such proof, why did they break up?

If it is anything other than a lack of affection between the two, then it is an outside influence.

Ollie wanted to blow up stuff, Lois wanted a permanent boyfriend. Incompatible wishes and feelings.

Clark wanted Lana, Lana wanted Clark. Same wishes and feelings, thought impossible.

It's this simple.

[zanaamen]

before I knew about clana I loved clois in Superman believe me loved so much, but when I saw SV my opinion has changed you cont blame me for that cuz from I see clark and lana love each other so much no matter what happen they always have fellings for each other even they are far faraway from each other
and I dont think Lois can fill lana’s love in Clarks heart and if clark loved lois I’ll say clark is not a superman TPTB force him to be Superman

[mr lane]

You misinterpreted me, I meant before Bride, I think there is evidence she would have gone back.

It's this simple.

1. Provide me with proof that Oliver and Lois broke up because they did not feel affection/love towards one another.

2. If there is no such proof, why did they break up?

If it is anything other than a lack of affection between the two, then it is an outside influence.

Again Siren WAS before bride and Lois made her decision not to be with oliver, again why would that be a topic in season 8 if she had already told him no.

and what evidence in season 8 do you see where she would have gone back?

because all ive seen up until bride is Oliver and Tess, Lois and Clark

[Bizarrolover]

Both Ollie and Lois had a mature breakup I already stated this before. If you look back at siren I don't remember the exact dialogue between Lois and Clark, but Lois states that she doesn't want to be second best. She says this might be selfish of her to think like this, but she doesn't want to be second best etc... This hear clearly shows that they both had made a mature decision to stay apart.

Why do you believe that after Bride Lois would have gone back to Oliver? There is no indication of this. She even states that its awkward for her to discuss her feelings with a ex-boyfriend.

I agree with you. I don't think Lois wants to go back with Oliver. She really cares about him, I think the feeling is mutual, but she knows it's never going to work. Ollie may be hot, but he is also selfish and arrogant and puts himself above everything and everyone else, including the women he dates. Oliver doesn't respect women. He proved that to her in season 6 and Lois knows that he will ALWAYS put her in a second of third place in his life. That's him, she accepts it, and doesn't want that kind of life for herself. Their break up in Siren was of mutual accordance and done in a very mature way.

[mr lane]

before I knew about clana I loved clois in Superman believe me loved so much, but when I saw SV my opinion has changed you cont blame me for that cuz from I see clark and lana love each other so much no matter what happen they always have fellings for each other even they are far faraway from each other
and I dont think Lois can fill lana’s love in Clarks heart and if clark loved lois I’ll say clark is not a superman TPTB force him to be Superman


I can understand where you are coming from the show did make Lana and Clark bigger than Lois and Clark

but you say you loved clois in the superman mythos?

So can you see where this logic is ludicrous that the show DID make Lana bigger than Lois.

In movies, comics, cartoons. Superman is Superman in a BIG part because of Lois

so you say if the show makes Lois and Clark's lover Bigger than Lana and Clark then he's not superman, he's a forced superman (which i agree)

but it shouldn't have been that way that is where the show went wrong

[Cogito17]

Ollie wanted to blow up stuff, Lois wanted a permanent boyfriend. Incompatible wishes and feelings.

Clark wanted Lana, Lana wanted Clark. Same wishes and feelings, thought impossible.

It's this simple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZD5eOB1E5U&feature=related

Does it really look like the don't WANT to be together? Honestly? Is Ollie saying he WANTS to go off and do those things, I believe he says he will regret leaving, for the rest of his life in fact. Where is it made clear that Oliver and Lois simply don't WANT to be together, for lack of love between the two, not because they have other things pulling them apart? (ie. Ollie blowing stuff up)


I'm sorry and I'm not trying to be mean in anyway towards you but I really don't understand your reasoning. I think many of us have posted the logical difference between the Lois and Ollie relationship and the Clark and Lana relationship. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Maybe someone else can clarify your doubts because I don't understand. I'm sorry and I again I am not trying to put down your opinion, I just don't agree with it.

Lois breaks up with Oliver, though the two clearly have lingering romantic feelings for each other. It is perfectly acceptable for Lois to move on to Clark.

Clark breaks up with Lana, though the two clearly have lingering romantic feelings for each other. Now, Clark's future affection for Lois is somehow tainted.

Why?


Again Siren WAS before bride and Lois made her decision not to be with oliver, again why would that be a topic in season 8 if she had already told him no.

and what evidence in season 8 do you see where she would have gone back?

because all ive seen up until bride is Oliver and Tess, Lois and Clark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPQF07pXRvQ&feature=related

Do you really get the sense that she WANTED to let him go? No, she had to.

"Look at us, the noble couple"
"Maybe we got it all wrong"
"Sometimes I wonder if I should have ever let you go"

[mr lane]

I agree with you. I don't think Lois wants to go back with Oliver. She really cares about him, I think the feeling is mutual, but she knows it's never going to work. Ollie may be hot, but he is also selfish and arrogant and puts himself above everything and everyone else, including the women he dates. Oliver doesn't respect women. He proved that to her in season 6 and Lois knows that he will ALWAYS put her in a second of third place in his life. That's him, she accepts it, and doesn't want that kind of life for herself. Their break up in Siren was of mutual accordance and done in a very mature way.

ITA and i love your avatar :cool:

mine comes from the same comic ;)

[bigblueplanet]

I totally agree and that is why I am scared to death of these remaining episodes because I don't see how Clark's character is going to end up looking better. If he doesn't look for a cure, he looks bad. If he forgets about Lana and falls in love with Lois, he looks bad. TPTB have put Clark into a situation where whatever he does, he's not going to gain any points from me, IMO.

ITA. Now I’m really worry about spoilers of future episodes which, by the way, was something I’ve been very much looking forward to before.

If they’ve done this arc right, it was totally a win-win situation. They could please all the fan bases (includes Clana fans) by giving us a proper closure. This was one of the touchstones they had to make in order to complete this young Clark Kent ‘journey’. Now they took that chance away from him.

All I can hope for now is that they won’t take last piece of his integrity away by pushing roma Clois. I’m terrified about this idea. I hope they keep these two as good friends & co-workers, and develop their characters separately from now on. Clark needs to stay single for the rest of the series, especially if this is the last season.

But like many other posters said, I don’t know if PS3 give a damn.

[Timester]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZD5eOB1E5U&feature=related

Does it really look like the don't WANT to be together? Honestly? Is Ollie saying he WANTS to go off and do those things, I believe he says he will regret leaving, for the rest of his life in fact. Where is it made clear that Oliver and Lois simply don't WANT to be together, for lack of love between the two, not because they have other things pulling them apart? (ie. Ollie blowing stuff up)

Then way he didn't stayed? There was nothing stopping him. No "Kryptonite barrier" between them.

No, he left the same way many boyfriends leave their girlfriends to join the Army. Because he felt he needed to.

Clark and Lana were forced to.

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Clark breaks up with Lana, though the two clearly have lingering romantic feelings for each other. Now, Clark's future affection for Lois is somehow tainted.

Clark broke up with Lana? When?

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

You misinterpreted me, I meant before Bride, I think there is evidence she would have gone back.

It's this simple.

1. Provide me with proof that Oliver and Lois broke up because they did not feel affection/love towards one another.

2. If there is no such proof, why did they break up?

If it is anything other than a lack of affection between the two, then it is an outside influence.


Ok let me attempt to explain this in my view point...

1. Oliver and Lois did feel affection towards one another but they both decided that their love and affection was not worth having a relationship. They both made this decision and had proper closure.

2. Again, they Broke up because Oliver wanted to fight crime that was his top priority and Lois didn't want to be a second in Olivers priority list.

3. It wasn't a lack of affection between both Oliver and Lois, so it is not an outside influence.
Unlike the Kryptonite that separated both Clark and Lana.

[mr lane]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZD5eOB1E5U&feature=related

Does it really look like the don't WANT to be together? Honestly? Is Ollie saying he WANTS to go off and do those things, I believe he says he will regret leaving, for the rest of his life in fact. Where is it made clear that Oliver and Lois simply don't WANT to be together, for lack of love between the two, not because they have other things pulling them apart? (ie. Ollie blowing stuff up)



Lois breaks up with Oliver, though the two clearly have lingering romantic feelings for each other. It is perfectly acceptable for Lois to move on to Clark.

Clark breaks up with Lana, though the two clearly have lingering romantic feelings for each other. Now, Clark's future affection for Lois is somehow tainted.

Why?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPQF07pXRvQ&feature=related

"Maybe we got it all wrong".

and ive already addressed what happened in Toxic

Oliver was DIEING of course Lois is going to say things from the back of her heart, the poor guy is dieing.

but since he was unconscious he never heard what she said and when Lois found out he wasn't going to die and he was going to live she never made an attempt to un-hatch what she said or what she felt (when he was dying.)

When you see someone on their death bed you're always going to wonder what could have been.

If she really meant what she said (when he was dieing.) she would have tried afterwards to be with him.

[Drasix]

i would like to know as well

[mr lane]

Do you really get the sense that she WANTED to let him go? No, she had to.

"Look at us, the noble couple"
"Maybe we got it all wrong"
"Sometimes I wonder if I should have ever let you go"

Again she did not HAVE to let him go

Oliver gave her another chance in Siren to be with him and she made a decision not to be with him because she didn't WANT to.

there is no force here

and if you notice Lois says "Let you go" which implies a decision made of free will not
"if you were taken from me" or "if we weren't forced apart"

[myankskent]

I'm a Lois fan and it stings just to think that TPTB will just sweep this under the rug. Poor Lois she deserves more then this. She has been a pivotal part of this show and to have her degraded is just sad.

And that's not even the worst of it. In "Bride", Lois got jealous of a look that Clark gave Lana when she returned, which made her leave Smallville. It bothers me to no end that TPTB are never going to have Lois find out about all of the big moments between Clana over the years. If I look at Lois on Smallville, am I to believe that she would not be bothered by Clark turning back time to save Lana after he proposed to her? What about Clark trying to stop lexana's marriage even while knowing that Lana was pregnant with Lex's child? After a near kiss with Lois, Clark turns around and makes love to Lana and breaks up with her because of kryptonite, but not before he goes through tremendous pain just to kiss her one last time. All of these unbelievable moments are going to be covered up and never told to Lois because we all know that these moments would forever make her believe that Clark Kent is just not worth it. This is how TPTB are going to set the stage for the iconic Clois relationship on Smallville. Just forget about the 7 and a half years...out of sight, out of mind, and just buy into the fact that Lois and Clark will share something special in the Smallville future.:rolleyes:

I have a question...how does this not make the Clois relationship built on a series of lies told by Clark?

[Drasix]

And that's not even the worst of it. In "Bride", Lois got jealous of a look that Clark gave Lana when she returned, which made her leave Smallville. It bothers me to no end that TPTB are never going to have Lois find out about all of the big moments between Clana over the years. If I look at Lois on Smallville, am I to believe that she would not be bothered by Clark turning back time to save Lana after he proposed to her? What about Clark trying to stop lexana's marriage even while knowing that Lana was pregnant with Lex's child? After a near kiss with Lois, Clark turns around and makes love to Lana and breaks up with her because of kryptonite, but not before he goes through tremendous pain just to kiss her one last time. All of these unbelievable moments are going to be covered up and never told to Lois because we all know that these moments would forever make her believe that Clark Kent is just not worth it. This is how TPTB are going to set the stage for the iconic Clois relationship on Smallville. Just forget about the 7 and a half years...out of sight, out of mind, and just buy into the fact that Lois and Clark will share something special in the Smallville future.:rolleyes:
problem is they have no where near enough time to develop any kind of relationship that even comes close to clana.Clana has ruined any kind of believeable chance for clois on sv

[mr lane]

problem is they have no where near enough time to develop any kind of relationship that even comes close to clana.Clana has ruined any kind of believeable chance for clois on sv

agreed

the only thing I can see

is Lois and Clark noticing they have some sort of feelings toward the end of the season

and if it is the last season the rest of their relationship is left up to our imagination

[Timester]

I will say this very simple.

If it wasn't the Kryptonite, Clark and Lana would had humped like bunnies and literally rocked the barn that the Kents built for generations to the ground and THEN they would had done the same thing right on top of Lex's grave.

Yep, that's what the show teached me. Then why should I believe that Kryptonite = closure?

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

and ive already addressed what happened in Toxic

Oliver was DIEING of course Lois is going to say things from the back of her heart, the poor guy is dieing.

but since he was unconscious he never heard what she said and when Lois found out he wasn't going to die and he was going to live she never made an attempt to un-hatch what she said or what she felt (when he was dying.)

When you see someone on their death bed you're always going to wonder what could have been.

If she really meant what she said (when he was dieing.) she would have tried afterwards to be with him.

Exactly this is what I also commented on but you put it into better words.

[supes0]

Just forget about the 7 and a half years...out of sight, out of mind, and just buy into the fact that Lois and Clark will share something special in the Smallville future.:rolleyes:

Exactly. Clark is going to say the words "the one" or "soulmate" in reference to Lois, and we're going to be expected to forget everything that came before.

It's incredibly damaging to Clark. I'm betting Lana will be cured by the end of the series, either onscreen or offscreen. It's magic!! :rolleyes:

[unfocused]

Too much to read and reply to.

The bare bottom line is, neither couple wanted to part ways. But both couples accepted to. The truest words to say are: all four of these people will grow and mature from their past relationships, and move on to the relationships they were meant to be in.

I just feel bad that some people are going to look at Clark and Lois' relationship a year from now, when they're together in love and showing us that iconic, legendary relationship, and not believe it is real. I really am sorry for these people.

At least I know I'll be enjoying the Clois with every fiber of my being. And I hope as many people as possible will share my enjoyment.

[mr lane]

I will say this very simple.

If it wasn't the Kryptonite, Clark and Lana would had humped like bunnies and literally rocked the barn that the Kents built for generations to the ground and THEN they would had done the same thing right on top of Lex's grave.

Yep, that's what the show teached me. Then why should I believe that Kryptonite = closure?

ITA!

couldn't have put it better myself

side note: Was that Martha and Johnathan's bed they were in? Before Lana and Clark got together in season 7 Clark had a smaller room with a twin size bed

:lol:

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And that's not even the worst of it. In "Bride", Lois got jealous of a look that Clark gave Lana when she returned, which made her leave Smallville. It bothers me to no end that TPTB are never going to have Lois find out about all of the big moments between Clana over the years. If I look at Lois on Smallville, am I to believe that she would not be bothered by Clark turning back time to save Lana after he proposed to her? What about Clark trying to stop lexana's marriage even while knowing that Lana was pregnant with Lex's child? After a near kiss with Lois, Clark turns around and makes love to Lana and breaks up with her because of kryptonite, but not before he goes through tremendous pain just to kiss her one last time. All of these unbelievable moments are going to be covered up and never told to Lois because we all know that these moments would forever make her believe that Clark Kent is just not worth it. This is how TPTB are going to set the stage for the iconic Clois relationship on Smallville. Just forget about the 7 and a half years...out of sight, out of mind, and just buy into the fact that Lois and Clark will share something special in the Smallville future.:rolleyes:

I have a question...how does this not make the Clois relationship built on a series of lies told by Clark?

Agreed

in the mythos Superman always lies to Lois to hide the fact that he's clark

but when he told her she was the one he always truely loved it was the only true thing he meant

but on SV EVERYTHING will be lies

which just damages Clark's character

[Cogito17]

Then way he didn't stayed? There was nothing stopping him. No "Kryptonite barrier" between them.

No, he left the same way many boyfriends leave their girlfriends to join the Army. Because he felt he needed to.

Clark and Lana were forced to.

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Clark broke up with Lana? When?

It was a forced end to their relationship, because he had to other things, the point is, their affection for one another did not end, yet it was acceptable for Lois to move on and develop feelings for Clark.

And... Clark and Lana broke up in the end of Requiem... are we watching the same show?


Ok let me attempt to explain this in my view point...

1. Oliver and Lois did feel affection towards one another but they both decided that their love and affection was not worth having a relationship. They both made this decision and had proper closure.

2. Again, they Broke up because Oliver wanted to fight crime that was his top priority and Lois didn't want to be a second in Olivers priority list.

3. It wasn't a lack of affection between both Oliver and Lois, so it is not an outside influence.
Unlike the Kryptonite that separated both Clark and Lana.

So, as per your statement in #2, I agree. It was not a lack of affection between the two, it was that Oliver felt he had to do other things.

The question I have to ask is this. When did Lois' affection for Oliver end? I think the only clear closure to those feelings was in Bride, and that was AFTER she had fallen for Clark (See video posted earlier from Toxic). If Lois can move on and fall for Clark before giving clear closure to her feelings for Oliver, why can't Clark do the same?

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I can't keep up with debating with three posters, so I'll probably just call it quits here. I don't see myself getting anywhere by debating further. :lol: (We'll see how well I hold to that though haha)

If anyone else out there can read my posts/look at the clips/evidence I presented and tell me I'm not crazy, I would greatly appreciate it. I think the parallels between Lois/Oliver and Clark/Lana are pretty clear, but apparently I'm not getting through.

[Drasix]

ITA!

couldn't have put it better myself

side note: Was that Martha and Johnathan's bed they were in? Before Lana and Clark got together in season 7 Clark had a smaller room with a twin side bed

:lol:

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Agreed

in the mythos Superman always lies to Lois to hide the fact that he's clark

but when he told her she was the one he always truely loved it was the only true thing he meant

but on SV EVERYTHING will be lies

which just damages Clark's character
agreed clois shouldnt happen

[melissan02]

problem is they have no where near enough time to develop any kind of relationship that even comes close to clana.Clana has ruined any kind of believeable chance for clois on sv

You know....normally I would vehemently disagree with you on this statement, but the way this Lana/Clana arc just played out, I have to agree.:\ I'm personally going to have a hard time believing and/or enjoying any kind of Clois on SV from here on out.
Maybe the writers will surprise me though and fix this mess in a good way....but, I'm not holding out hope for that---given the fact that they had a great thing going the first half of this season, then threw it all away....along w/ 70 years of Superman mythos!:(:mad:

[Drasix]

they didnt "break up" she walked out of the barn cuz she couldnt stand seeing clark and not be able to touch him.At least they didnt say "its over"
"

[unfocused]

It was a forced end to their relationship, because he had to other things, the point is, their affection for one another did not end, yet it was acceptable for Lois to move on and develop feelings for Clark.

And... Clark and Lana broke up in the end of Requiem... are we watching the same show?



So, as per your statement in #2, I agree. It was not a lack of affection between the two, it was that Oliver felt he had to do other things.

The question I have to ask is this. When did Lois' affection for Oliver end? I think the only clear closure to those feelings was in Bride, and that was AFTER she had fallen for Clark (See video posted earlier from Toxic). If Lois can move on and fall for Clark before giving clear closure to her feelings for Oliver, why can't Clark do the same?

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I can't keep up with debating with three posters, so I'll probably just call it quits here. I don't see myself getting anywhere by debating further. :lol: (We'll see how well I hold to that though haha)

If anyone else out there can read my posts/look at the clips/evidence I presented and tell me I'm not crazy, I would greatly appreciate it. I think the parallels between Lois/Oliver and Clark/Lana are pretty clear, but apparently I'm not getting through.Oh don't worry, what you're saying is clear. The truth just isn't always easy to accept :)

[myankskent]

It was a forced end to their relationship, because he had to other things, the point is, their affection for one another did not end, yet it was acceptable for Lois to move on and develop feelings for Clark.


Their affection for each other did not end, but you know what? Lois and Oliver can give into that affection if they wanted to and they haven't. With Clark and Lana, they are madly in love with each other and would like nothing more than to be together forever and yet they can't act on their feelings because of kryptonite.

[Drasix]

Oh don't worry, what you're saying is clear. The truth just isn't always easy to accept :)guess so

[mr lane]

It was a forced end to their relationship, because he had to other things, the point is, their affection for one another did not end, yet it was acceptable for Lois to move on and develop feelings for Clark.

And... Clark and Lana broke up in the end of Requiem... are we watching the same show?


Debating is good for your health :lol:

clark and lana did NOT break up they were forced apart

again if it wouldn't have been for the kryptonite they would have stayed together

that is the WHOLE issue at hand is if the 2 parties were forced or not forced

Oliver was NOT forced to end his relationship with Lois he CHOSE to in Justice

the same with Lois in regards to Oliver in siren, she was not FORCED to make her decision she CHOSE to.

Oliver offered for Lois to be with him and she CHOSE not to.

Answer me this question

If it hadn't been for the kryptonite infected Lana do you think Clark and Lana would still be together?

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

And that's not even the worst of it. In "Bride", Lois got jealous of a look that Clark gave Lana when she returned, which made her leave Smallville. It bothers me to no end that TPTB are never going to have Lois find out about all of the big moments between Clana over the years. If I look at Lois on Smallville, am I to believe that she would not be bothered by Clark turning back time to save Lana after he proposed to her? What about Clark trying to stop lexana's marriage even while knowing that Lana was pregnant with Lex's child? After a near kiss with Lois, Clark turns around and makes love to Lana and breaks up with her because of kryptonite, but not before he goes through tremendous pain just to kiss her one last time. All of these unbelievable moments are going to be covered up and never told to Lois because we all know that these moments would forever make her believe that Clark Kent is just not worth it. This is how TPTB are going to set the stage for the iconic Clois relationship on Smallville. Just forget about the 7 and a half years...out of sight, out of mind, and just buy into the fact that Lois and Clark will share something special in the Smallville future.:rolleyes:

I have a question...how does this not make the Clois relationship built on a series of lies told by Clark?

Well...I can't agree with you more, well said. TPTB have certainly made the future relationship of Lois and Clark a farce. The fact that the Lana will never truly be addressed by Clark to Lois just breaks my heart out. It shows that Lois will be the rebound girl. I agree that Clark and Lana have something special but to make it into a Casablanca, or a Romeo and Juliet tale in these last few episodes is ridiculous.

And with a Cherry on the top we all have to believe that Lois will be Clarks epic love in the future. Why don't we just have Lex come back alive and repent for all his misdeeds and become a saint. :rolleyes: Would fans be able to digest Lex becoming good all of a sudden? If this is the logic they have it is utterly flawed IMO.

[Drasix]

Their affection for each other did not end, but you know what? Lois and Oliver can give into that affection if they wanted to and they haven't. With Clark and Lana, they are madly in love with each other and would like nothing more than to be together forever and yet they can't act on their feelings because of kryptonite.true but the writers could easily bring up a cure if there is another season

[Timester]

It was a forced end to their relationship, because he had to other things, the point is, their affection for one another did not end, yet it was acceptable for Lois to move on and develop feelings for Clark.

He didn't had, he chosen to. And Lois didn't had to break up with him, she also choosed to.


And... Clark and Lana broke up in the end of Requiem... are we watching the same show?


I'm watching Smallville and most certainly I didn't saw any break-up. All I saw was Lana telling that she can't be next to him and Clark pathetically kneeling on the floor, full of pain, saying "I love you.". The PS3 names right after it.

[supes0]

I'm watching Smallville and most certainly I didn't saw any break-up.

I didn't see any break up either.

[SGuthrie27]

This is one time that I can agree with you, unfocused, and with Cogito17. You guys are exactly right on this front. It's totally believable that Clark will one day be with Lois and that they can share a perfectly wonderful romance, in spite of how long and how deeply he cared for Lana. Lots of people who have been in a relationship that has gone down the tubes (and they didn't want it to) and later fell for someone else knows this to be the case. I know it's different in any situation, but I don't see how it's "impossible" for Clark to be with Lois simply because of the way they ended Clana (however lame and contrived a plot element it may have been). They WILL be together again someday, and that's what's truly important. They will both have moved on by that point.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[Cogito17]

Debating is good for your health :lol:

clark and lana did NOT break up they were forced apart

again if it wouldn't have been for the kryptonite they would have stayed together

that is the WHOLE issue at hand is if the 2 parties were forced or not forced

Oliver was NOT forced to end his relationship with Lois he CHOSE to in Justice

the same with Lois in regards to Oliver in siren, she was not FORCED to make her decision she CHOSE to.

Oliver offered for Lois to be with him and she CHOSE not to.

Answer me this question

If it hadn't been for the kryptonite infected Lana do you think her and Clark and Lana would still be together?

Yes, but by that same token. If Ollie hadn't gone off to fight 33.1 in season 6, do you think Oliver and Lois would still be together?

My personal opinion is whether they were forced or chose to be apart, the relationships did not end because neither Lois/Ollie nor Clark/Lana did not have romantic feelings for one another.

By the way, I appreciate the relatively civil debate with everyone so far, I'm trying to wriggle my way free here, too hard to keep up with all these posts.

[Drasix]

Well...I can't agree with you more, well said. TPTB have certainly made the future relationship of Lois and Clark a farce. The fact that the Lana will never truly be addressed by Clark to Lois just breaks my heart out. It shows that Lois will be the rebound girl. I agree that Clark and Lana have something special but to make it into a Casablanca, or a Romeo and Juliet tale in these last few episodes is ridiculous.

And with a Cherry on the top we all have to believe that Lois will be Clarks epic love in the future. Why don't we just have Lex come back alive and repent for all his misdeeds and become a saint. :rolleyes: Would fans be able to digest Lex becoming good all of a sudden? If this is the logic they have it is utterly flawed IMO.lois wont be anything but the rebound girl in my eyes

[Timester]

Yes, but by that same token. If Ollie hadn't gone off to fight 33.1 in season 6, do you think Oliver and Lois would still be together?

But he chosen to go fight 33.1. It wasn't forced upon them.

[myankskent]

I'm watching Smallville and most certainly I didn't saw any break-up.


Same here. There was no breakup...only a contrived scenario to make sure that Clark and Lana can never act on their feelings for each other again.



All I saw was Lana telling that she can't be next to him and Clark pathetically kneeling on the floor, full of pain, saying "I love you.". The PS3 names right after it.

:lol: Hysterical, yet completely true.

[supes0]

true but the writers could easily bring up a cure if there is another season

And I expect them to do this if there is a season 9. With or without KK on the show.

[mr lane]

Yes, but by that same token. If Ollie hadn't gone off to fight 33.1 in season 6, do you think Oliver and Lois would still be together?

By the way, I appreciate the relatively civil debate with everyone so far, I'm trying to wriggle my way free here, too hard to keep up with all these posts.

again it was Oliver's CHOICE to go fight 33.1

and im going to be honest here i hope you can do the same

if he had chose not to then yes they would have still been together up until the point Lois found out he was the green arrow and she still would have made the same CHOICE not to be second to the world.

honestly now you can't say that Oliver or Lois were forced to do anything.

the whole end to their relationship was made on choices

[Tatiana]

Though I don't like how this episode portrayed Clark, I think Lana's story has a strong moral sense. You can't have everything, sometimes the price to pay for absolute power is too high. Weather Lex planned this outcome or not (I think he did), the instrument that Lana used to bring her closer to Clark is what finally separated her from him, forever. Very Icarus.


I agree, it is the same thing I got from it. I didn't like too much how they portrayed Clark either, but I definitely thought Lana's was a powerful story that backfired on her for sure. I wish Clark would realize that she got too greedy

[kimber1961]

I thought "Requiem" was awesome! TW and KK absolutely rocked the last scene. Emmy voters should take a long look. It showed what great acting talent the show has, and gave us great drama. Lana was Clark's first true love, the one he dreamed about, the one he gazed through the telescope at lol. Circumstances and misunderstandings continually got in their way throughout the series, frustrating their fans, yet leaving them screaming for more. Will all of this cast a pall over Clois? Not for me. Just because you lose your great love doesn't mean you'll never heal and find another love just as wonderful, yet different in its own right. This show has been about Superman's early years, and would not have been as good without the beauty that is Clana. TW and KK have incredible chemistry. TW and ED do also. No, they won't have 7 1/2 years of on and off love, but once again, this show is about the early years of the superhero.

[myankskent]

I agree, it is the same thing I got from it. I didn't like too much how they portrayed Clark either, but I definitely thought Lana's was a powerful story that backfired on her for sure. I wish Clark would realize that she got too greedy

It definitely backfired on Lana...however, what TPTB want us to believe is that had Lana not taken the suit, Lex would've had it and killed Clark as a result. Hence, Lana is the hero.

[Timester]

Same here. There was no breakup...only a contrived scenario to make sure that Clark and Lana can never act on their feelings for each other again.

Heck, Lana was even selfish on her speech. She didn't said "Clark, can't be near you because I fear that I might kill you." No, she had to go to the "Clark, can't be near you because I can't stand the idea of not touching you."

Silly girl, when you rip-out a guy's heart, don't say that is because of YOU...

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

It was a forced end to their relationship, because he had to other things, the point is, their affection for one another did not end, yet it was acceptable for Lois to move on and develop feelings for Clark.

And... Clark and Lana broke up in the end of Requiem... are we watching the same show?



So, as per your statement in #2, I agree. It was not a lack of affection between the two, it was that Oliver felt he had to do other things.

The question I have to ask is this. When did Lois' affection for Oliver end? I think the only clear closure to those feelings was in Bride, and that was AFTER she had fallen for Clark (See video posted earlier from Toxic). If Lois can move on and fall for Clark before giving clear closure to her feelings for Oliver, why can't Clark do the same?

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I can't keep up with debating with three posters, so I'll probably just call it quits here. I don't see myself getting anywhere by debating further. :lol: (We'll see how well I hold to that though haha)

If anyone else out there can read my posts/look at the clips/evidence I presented and tell me I'm not crazy, I would greatly appreciate it. I think the parallels between Lois/Oliver and Clark/Lana are pretty clear, but apparently I'm not getting through.


Debate is good but sometimes it ends up as a stale mate. As long as we are all civil and respect each others opinions, whether we agree or disagree. Regarding the relationships between Oliver and Lois and Clark and Lana I have to agree to disagree.:)

[zanaamen]

I thought "Requiem" was awesome! TW and KK absolutely rocked the last scene. Emmy voters should take a long look. It showed what great acting talent the show has, and gave us great drama. Lana was Clark's first true love, the one he dreamed about, the one he gazed through the telescope at lol. Circumstances and misunderstandings continually got in their way throughout the series, frustrating their fans, yet leaving them screaming for more. Will all of this cast a pall over Clois? Not for me. Just because you lose your great love doesn't mean you'll never heal and find another love just as wonderful, yet different in its own right. This show has been about Superman's early years, and would not have been as good without the beauty that is Clana. TW and KK have incredible chemistry. TW and ED do also. No, they won't have 7 1/2 years of on and off love, but once again, this show is about the early years of the superhero.


I agree with your first post;)

[mr lane]

Debate is good but sometimes it ends up as a stale mate. As long as we are all civil and respect each others opinions, whether we agree or disagree. Regarding the relationships between Oliver and Lois and Clark and Lana I have to agree to disagree.:)

i totally agree to disagree :lol:

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

It definitely backfired on Lana...however, what TPTB want us to believe is that had Lana not taken the suit, Lex would've had it and killed Clark as a result. Hence, Lana is the hero.

Exactly so, the whole concept of the show is lost. It is unbelievable and pure blasphemy to Clark Kent. Smallville is Clark's Journey, but in some absurd and twisted way they seemed to have made Lana the true hero.

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Heck, Lana was even selfish on her speech. She didn't said "Clark, can't be near you because I fear that I might kill you." No, she had to go to the "Clark, can't be near you because I can't stand the idea of not touching you."

Silly girl, when you rip-out a guy's heart, don't say that is because of YOU...

ITA :lol:

[Cogito17]

Debate is good but sometimes it ends up as a stale mate. As long as we are all civil and respect each others opinions, whether we agree or disagree. Regarding the relationships between Oliver and Lois and Clark and Lana I have to agree to disagree.:)


i totally agree to disagree :lol:

Fair enough. :p

[myankskent]

Exactly so, the whole concept of the show is lost. It is unbelievable and pure blasphemy to Clark Kent. Smallville is Clark's Journey, but in some absurd and twisted way they seemed to have made Lana the true hero.


Yup, and in the process, they screwed up the Clana breakup. PS3 basically took a big bite out of everything in this episode and now they will have to pretend it never happened in order to fix it, while hoping that the viewers are able to just let it all slide. Well not this viewer. I tune into Smallville every week to see a story that continues to build on itself and I will have no respect for it if the ending makes no sense, whether it matches the mythologies or not.

[Mickey_Bickey]

I am reading a lot of posts saying that Clois just isn't going to be believable.

The first half of this season was exciting and believable. We had Clark and Lois working at the DP together, growing closer and developing feelings for one another. We saw Clark's progression in finally embracing his destiny and doing something about it! We saw Clark making decisions, being mature, acting more like a man and being independent.

Then episodes 11 - 14 hit. We see that Clark stop saving lives, cowtailing to Lana Lang, not thinking for himself, focussing solely on searching the streets for Lana, Lana becoming some sort of superpowered diva and finally the end of their relationship and Clark Kent as we've known him prior to this arc..

These episodes were upsurd to the point where they didn't even connect to the prior episodes or the episodes that are going to follow them. They were so far off track that it seemed we were watching a different show altogether. The only thing not believable was this arc that KK and PS3 came up with. It was disrespectful to the Superman mythology and the real fans of Superman. It was so ridiculous that a lot of it was laughable at best. Lana Lang shouldn't even be on the show at this point. Clark's at the DP and is a more much interesting character without her to "distract" or "bring him down" which is another thing this arc served to do.

Tom Welling's acting was completely off in Power and Requiem, and I think it was because his heart wasn't in it. He said he was happy with the Committed script and the way his character was being written in the beginning of the season. I cringed for him in these episodes. I'm sure he's looking forward to seeing quality scripts again.

Not only is Clois one of the only believable things on this show, it's also one of the few things that is recognizable to the Superman lore.

I'm looking forward to picking up where they left off in Bride. I'm sure most Superman fans are as well. Believe it not, there's a lot of us out there.;)

[Drasix]

Yup, and in the process, they screwed up the Clana breakup. PS3 basically took a big bite out of everything in this episode and now they will have to pretend it never happened in order to fix it, while hoping that the viewers are able to just let it all slide. Well not this viewer. I tune into Smallville every week to see a story that continues to build on itself and I will have no respect for it if the ending makes no sense, whether it matches the mythologies or not.
agreed

[supes0]

Yup, and in the process, they screwed up the Clana breakup. PS3 basically took a big bite out of everything in this episode and now they will have to pretend it never happened in order to fix it, while hoping that the viewers are able to just let it all slide. Well not this viewer.

Not me either. But clearly the writers do not care.

[Drasix]

I am reading a lot of posts saying that Clois just isn't going to be believable.

The first half of this season was exciting and believable. We had Clark and Lois working at the DP together, growing closer and developing feelings for one another. We saw Clark's progression in finally embracing his destiny and doing something about it! We saw Clark making decisions, being mature, acting more like a man and being independent.

Then episodes 11 - 14 hit. We see that Clark stop saving lives, cowtailing to Lana Lang, not thinking for himself, focussing solely on searching the streets for Lana, Lana becoming some sort of superpowered diva and finally the end of their relationship and Clark Kent as we've known him prior to this arc..

These episodes were upsurd to the point where they didn't even connect to the prior episodes or the episodes that are going to follow them. They were so far off track that it seemed we were watching a different show altogether. The only thing not believable was this arc that KK and PS3 came up with. It was disrespectful to the Superman mythology and the real fans of Superman. It was so ridiculous that a lot of it was laughable at best. Lana Lang shouldn't even be on the show at this point. Clark's at the DP and is a more much interesting character without her to "distract" or "bring him down" which is another thing this arc served to do.

Tom Welling's acting was completely off in Power and Requiem, and I think it was because his heart wasn't in it. He said he was happy with the Committed script and the way his character was being written in the beginning of the season. I cringed for him in these episodes. I'm sure he's looking forward to seeing quality scripts again.

Not only is Clois one of the only believable things on this show, it's also one of the few things that is recognizable to the Superman lore.

I'm looking forward to picking up where they left off in Bride. I'm sure most Superman fans are as well. Believe it not, there's a lot of us out there.;)sorry but clois cannot or will not be believable for me

[Mickey_Bickey]

sorry but clois cannot or will not be believable for me

That's okay. Not everyone is a Superman/Lois Lane fan out there.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

Yup, and in the process, they screwed up the Clana breakup. PS3 basically took a big bite out of everything in this episode and now they will have to pretend it never happened in order to fix it, while hoping that the viewers are able to just let it all slide. Well not this viewer. I tune into Smallville every week to see a story that continues to build on itself and I will have no respect for it if the ending makes no sense, whether it matches the mythologies or not.

I will not let this slide and I'm not even a mythos junky and there is nothing wrong with being one so no offense. They took the Super away from the Man and how they will attempt to fix this is beyond my comprehension. I will still watch but I have a feeling I'm not going to be happy with the out come. What drove me to watch Smallville was the great cinematic affect they had, how the dynamic was purely Clark-Centric, but even showed the development of other vital characters in his life. In the end it was always about the decisons that Clark makes from the experiences in his life. The concept was perfect a show that shows how Clark Kent grows to become the future Superman. But TPTB will have to redeem themselves, but how is the question?

[Drasix]

That's okay. Not everyone is a Superman/Lois Lane fan out there.
well after 7 1/2 years of non stop lana-lusting its kinda hard for me to believe that he will fall for lois before the season is up or ever really.Smallville has always been the clana show.just the way it is

[bigblueplanet]

Heck, Lana was even selfish on her speech. She didn't said "Clark, can't be near you because I fear that I might kill you." No, she had to go to the "Clark, can't be near you because I can't stand the idea of not touching you."

Silly girl, when you rip-out a guy's heart, don't say that is because of YOU...

Tell me about it. It was almost unwatchable for me.
That last scene adds insult to injury. JMO

[myankskent]

Lana Lang shouldn't even be on the show at this point.


Believe me, if KK decided to return in season 8, she would've been in every single episode. The only reason why she is not on this show is because she wanted out, not because TPTB didn't want her.




Not only is Clois one of the only believable things on this show, it's also one of the few things that is recognizable to the Superman lore.


So when it comes down to it, you're willing to erase this arc and 7 seasons of Clana in order to make Clois look acceptable. I wish I felt the same way but unfortunately, I just can't do that. Unfortunately for me, this is not a spin-off show. It's still Smallville and every episode matters, IMO.

[supes0]

sorry but clois cannot or will not be believable for me

For me either. But that isn't going to stop the writers.

A poster in their Power review compared the episode to a Star Trek Voyager episode "Threshold". It was awful, so bad that the writers threw out all the events and treated it as it never happened.

I thought that was an excellent comparison.

The Smallville writers can't throw out this arc completely, but I expect them to do something akin to what happened at the end of Voyager's Threshold episode. Wave a magic wand and reset everybody to where they need to be.

Is Lana going to be permanently infected with Kryptonite? If the writers feel they need her cured to help their story forward, she will be. KK doesn't even need to be there.

Does it matter if the ending is contrived to some of the audience? I am convinced the writers do not care. Otherwise the last 2 episodes would've been very different.

[Drasix]

well kk said she is open to coming back at some point so maybe something good will come out of it

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Believe me, if KK decided to return in season 8, she would've been in every single episode. The only reason why she is not on this show is because she wanted out, not because TPTB didn't want her.




So when it comes down to it, you're willing to erase this arc and 7 seasons of Clana in order to make Clois look acceptable. I wish I felt the same way but unfortunately, I just can't do that. Unfortunately for me, this is not a spin-off show. It's still Smallville and every episode matters, IMO.
ITA

[Mickey_Bickey]

well after 7 1/2 years of non stop lana-lusting its kinda hard for me to believe that he will fall for lois before the season is up or ever really.Smallville has always been the clana show.just the way it is

No, it hasn't been 7.5 years of non-stop lusting after Lana.

Lana slept and dated Lex, Bizarro and Jason during her 7.5 years on Smallville. She also married Lex. She wasn't with Clark the whole time, and he wasn't lusting after her the whole time.

Clark also loved another woman, Alicia and lusted after her. Remember? It was very believable I think. Don't forget that he also had feelings for Chloe during the first season. Don't forget the countless other women he's lusted over like Simone, Maxima, his teacher in Heat, the girl who answered the door in Thirst and the list goes on. He's also had feelings for Lois, especially seen in this season, so it hasn't been non-stop Lana. If it were I would have tuned out long ago!

The Clana relationship has been built on mistrust, insecurities, jealousy, angst and doubt. They broke up so many times, that I lost count. Even Martha told him to leave Lana alone in Crimson, because it never seemed to work.

That's not a solid, loving relationship in my book. So, I will look forward to seeing Clark build that sort of relationship with Lois Lane, the one he's supposed to be with.

[Drasix]

No, it hasn't been 7.5 years of non-stop lusting after Lana.

Lana slept and dated Lex, Bizarro and Jason during her 7.5 years on Smallville. She also married Lex. She wasn't with Clark the whole time, and he wasn't lusting after her the whole time.

Clark also loved another woman, Alicia and lusted after her. Remember? It was very believable I think. Don't forget that he also had feelings for Chloe during the first season. Don't forget the countless other women he's lusted over like Simone, Maxima, his teacher in Heat, the girl who answered the door in Thirst and the list goes on. He's also had feelings for Lois, especially seen in this season, so it hasn't been non-stop Lana. If it were I would have tuned out long ago!

The Clana relationship has been built on mistrust, insecurities, jealousy, angst and doubt. They broke up so many times, that I lost count. Even Martha told him to leave Lana alone in Crimson, because it never seemed to work.

That's not a solid, loving relationship in my book. So, I will look forward to seeing Clark build that sort of relationship with Lois Lane, the one he's supposed to be with.
the alicia thing lasted 3 episodes and even when lana was with jason and lex..all he did was pine over her...theres no mistaking it.there hasnt been 1 episode where he hasnt wanted be with her throughout all the seasons.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Believe me, if KK decided to return in season 8, she would've been in every single episode. The only reason why she is not on this show is because she wanted out, not because TPTB didn't want her.

Thankfully she made that choice to leave. The episodes without her have been so much better IMO. Lana Lang's character only has served to bring my favorite character down, and that's Clark Kent as was evident in this arc.





So when it comes down to it, you're willing to erase this arc and 7 seasons of Clana in order to make Clois look acceptable. I wish I felt the same way but unfortunately, I just can't do that. Unfortunately for me, this is not a spin-off show. It's still Smallville and every episode matters, IMO.


That's your opinion. I already erased these episodes off my DVR to make way for more quality episodes that show Clark being Superman again and actually doing what Superman does and that's saving the day. I put my explanation about the past 7 seasons in another response.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

No, it hasn't been 7.5 years of non-stop lusting after Lana.

Lana slept and dated Lex, Bizarro and Jason during her 7.5 years on Smallville. She also married Lex. She wasn't with Clark the whole time, and he wasn't lusting after her the whole time.

Clark also loved another woman, Alicia and lusted after her. Remember? It was very believable I think. Don't forget that he also had feelings for Chloe during the first season. Don't forget the countless other women he's lusted over like Simone, Maxima, his teacher in Heat, the girl who answered the door in Thirst and the list goes on. He's also had feelings for Lois, especially seen in this season, so it hasn't been non-stop Lana. If it were I would have tuned out long ago!

The Clana relationship has been built on mistrust, insecurities, jealousy, angst and doubt. They broke up so many times, that I lost count. Even Martha told him to leave Lana alone in Crimson, because it never seemed to work.

That's not a solid, loving relationship in my book. So, I will look forward to seeing Clark build that sort of relationship with Lois Lane, the one he's supposed to be with.


I agree it wasn't exactly 7.5 years, but how do you expect to see a true Clark and Lois relationship develop after this mockery of episodes that PS3 decided to throw at us. I just can't see it...I wish I could:\

[myankskent]

That's not a solid, loving relationship in my book. So, I will look forward to seeing Clark build that sort of relationship with Lois Lane, the one he's supposed to be with.

I hope that you are enjoying the start of it. You know, Clark almost kissing Lois and then running off to be with Lana after that.

[Alania]

well after 7 1/2 years of non stop lana-lusting its kinda hard for me to believe that he will fall for lois before the season is up or ever really.Smallville has always been the clana show.just the way it is

Clois is all for me, but i've decided not to judge that Clana resolution till i see the rest of the season or, at least, till episode 19. Episodes 12-14 showed me that these writers can REALLY surprise us. Clana has been going on for 8 years, but Lois and Clark have been having a growing a relationship for four years now. Love that derivates from friendship hardly doesn't work.

[tbird4u]

I agree with everything you said michele, If they had shown clana in an actual loving way with out all the drama the whole time I could say lois cant happen but from day one they have shown that clark and lana do not belong together!!

[Mickey_Bickey]

the alicia thing lasted 3 episodes and even when lana was with jason and lex..all he did was pine over her...theres no mistaking it.there hasnt been 1 episode where he hasnt wanted be with her throughout all the seasons.


Of course there have! Did you see him kissing Lois in Hydro? Not one Lana pining scene whatsoever, and oddly enough it was TW who directed that! All of the episodes with Alicia Clark was solely interested in her and her only. Sorry, and he did like Chloe as well.

This whole entire season up until Legion Clark didn't "pine" for Lana. She was mentioned, but it was very casual and showed him moving on actually. I'm looking forward to seeing that Clark again.

[myankskent]

Thankfully she made that choice to leave. The episodes without her have been so much better IMO. Lana Lang's character only has served to bring my favorite character down, and that's Clark Kent as was evident in this arc.


And if Clark Kent lies to Lois about what really happened with Lana, does that not take his character down?

[Mickey_Bickey]

I agree it wasn't exactly 7.5 years, but how do you expect to see a true Clark and Lois relationship develop after this mockery of episodes that PS3 decided to throw at us. I just can't see it...I wish I could:\

I'm dismissing the mockery as episodes just like I did with Thirst and Spell. Actually, Spell was sort of fun but didn't serve anything real purpose.

Once we see TW and ED in Infamous this arc will be a faint memory. They will make it believable for a lot of people because they simply are that good together.

Hey, rewatch that almost kiss. No words necessary, just pure chemistry and passion! You'll see what I mean come March!;)

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And if Clark Kent lies to Lois about what really happened with Lana, does that not take his character down?

Superman never lies. Remember?

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I agree with everything you said michele, If they had shown clana in an actual loving way with out all the drama the whole time I could say lois cant happen but from day one they have shown that clark and lana do not belong together!!


So true! If there weren't so many restrictions Clois would have happened sooner.

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I hope that you are enjoying the start of it. You know, Clark almost kissing Lois and then running off to be with Lana after that.

I'm going to enjoy every second of Clark Kent and Lois Lane together! I always do!:D

[Drasix]

Of course there have! Did you see him kissing Lois in Hydro? Not one Lana pining scene whatsoever, and oddly enough it was TW who directed that! All of the episodes with Alicia Clark was solely interested in her and her only. Sorry, and he did like Chloe as well.

This whole entire season up until Legion Clark didn't "pine" for Lana. She was mentioned, but it was very casual and showed him moving on actually. I'm looking forward to seeing that Clark again.he always "liked" chloe but nothing more.Season 5 episode 2 when clark tells lana hes a virgin he tells her that shes the ONLY one hes ever loved and wanted to be with

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

And if Clark Kent lies to Lois about what really happened with Lana, does that not take his character down?

Of course it does and thats the dilemma you can't have an honest true relationship if your going to lie to them or with hold secrets. Like Lois says in one episode forgot which one... "The whole keeping secrets thing is just a loop hole for the thou shall not lie clause" I'm just paraphrasing here. But the fact is that I want Lois to know about the Clana situation and not have it hidden from her. We know that Smallville can't show a true romantic relationship between Lois and Clark because it is pre-supes.

But for Clark to suddenly forget about Lana and attempt to sweep Lois off her feet wouldn't be believable. I'm happy Lois is coming back but I want proper execution with out reckless writing. I'm crossing my fingers. ;)

[Mickey_Bickey]

he always "liked" chloe but nothing more.Season 5 episode 2 when clark tells lana hes a virgin he tells her that shes the ONLY one hes ever loved and wanted to be with

More inconsistencies in the writing, because he stated that he loved Alicia too! He did like Chloe, and my point in bringing that up was that he has never solely focussed on Lana alone.

Thank goodness for that, because I think I would have stopped watching long ago!:lol:

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Of course it does and thats the dilemma you can't have an honest true relationship if your going to lie to them or with hold secrets. Like Lois says in one episode forgot which one... "The whole keeping secrets thing is just a loop who for the thou shall not lie clause" I'm just paraphrasing here. But the fact is that I want Lois to know about the Clana situation and not have it hidden from her.


We'll see how PS3 without the influence of KK handle the damage control. After watching what they did up until Bride, I have faith that they'll get this show on the road and have the episodes make sense again.:)

[Drasix]

More inconsistencies in the writing, because he stated that he loved Alicia too! He did like Chloe, and my point in bringing that up was that he has never solely focussed on Lana alone.

Thank goodness for that, because I think I would have stopped watching long ago!:lol:

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We'll see how PS3 without the influence of KK handle the damage control. After watching what they did up until Bride, I have faith that they'll get this show on the road and have the episodes make sense again.:)he didnt get with chloe cuz he wanted to be with lana.the only reason he got with kyla or alicia was becuz lana had a boyfriend at both times.and in hydro he only kisses lois because hes protecting oliver's secret of being green arrow.sorry but there has never really been any time when he hasnt wanted to be with lana.kyla lasted an episode.alicia lasted 3 but he had already forgotten about both the following episodes

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

More inconsistencies in the writing, because he stated that he loved Alicia too! He did like Chloe, and my point in bringing that up was that he has never solely focussed on Lana alone.

Thank goodness for that, because I think I would have stopped watching long ago!:lol:

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We'll see how PS3 without the influence of KK handle the damage control. After watching what they did up until Bride, I have faith that they'll get this show on the road and have the episodes make sense again.:)


Thanks for the optimism!:D I think we need major damage control and yes every time I see the Bride Scene I have butterflies in my stomach...I know I'm sappy :lol:

[Mickey_Bickey]

Clois is all for me, but i've decided not to judge that Clana resolution till i see the rest of the season or, at least, till episode 19. Episodes 12-14 showed me that these writers can REALLY surprise us. Clana has been going on for 8 years, but Lois and Clark have been having a growing a relationship for four years now. Love that derivates from friendship hardly doesn't work.

Clark and Lois' relationship will be based on trust, confidence, loyalty, friendship and a deep love that won't compare to anything they're experienced before with anyone else. I'm looking forward to seeing their journey continue in March!:D;)

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Thanks for the optimism!:D I think we need major damage control and yes every time I see the Bride Scene I have butterflies in my stomach...I know I'm sappy :lol:

Exactly! That was the most romantic moment I've ever seen on this show! The acting, directing, lighting and music was beautiful! That's Lois (ED) and Clark (TW) for you, chemistry that sizzles on screen!:D

[bigblueplanet]

That's okay. Not everyone is a Superman/Lois Lane fan out there.

Michele. The thing is, I’m a Superman/Lois Lane fan, too. And I can’t believe Clois can happen neither in a believable way. Not within the time we’re given (even if there’s S9) anyway. But this isn’t the part which saddened me.

I’m sad because I had to see Clark begging on his knees for a woman he was barely happy with. PS3 tells us our hero could never move on from this woman by his own free will after everything she’s done. They made HER a hero at the end which is fine because I don’t give a damn about her, but at the high expense of Clark Kent.
I felt so insulted as a Superman fan.

I thought I’ve been watching his *journey* as in transition, progress, glowing up.
What PS3 showed me is that he can never glow up emotionally as long as his first love is around and probably never will if she ever comes back. Because after all, she is his weakness, right? The message was loud and clear.

What I saw was not a resolution. It was an ‘open end’.
You can’t build a solid future relationship on this foundation. YMMV

[Drasix]

Clark and Lois' relationship will be based on trust, confidence, loyalty, friendship and a deep love that won't compare to anything they're experienced before with anyone else. I'm looking forward to seeing their journey continue in March!:D;)

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Exactly! That was the most romantic moment I've ever seen on this show! The acting, directing, lighting and music was beautiful! That's Lois (ED) and Clark (TW) for you, chemistry that sizzles on screen!:Dtheres no way it will that clark and lois's relationship will come anywhere near clana's bcuz of the simple fact that there isn't enough time.This is possibly the last season and and theres now way that the clois relationship can match clana's in 8 episodes

[unfocused]

I agree with everything you said michele, If they had shown clana in an actual loving way with out all the drama the whole time I could say lois cant happen but from day one they have shown that clark and lana do not belong together!!

Exactly. Nicely put. This is what I said earlier. Clana was shown to be a relationship that couldn't last, I don't even remember how many times they've broken up.

Had they actually shown Clana as something that could last, then I'd fear that Clois couldn't happen. But, thankfully, this isn't the case, and Clois will be everything I expect it to be.

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theres no way it will that clark and lois's relationship will come anywhere near clana's bcuz of the simple fact that there isn't enough time.This is possibly the last season and and theres now way that the clois relationship can match clana's in 8 episodes

Oh now you're just grasping at straws :rolleyes:

[zanaamen]

I never heard Clark said I love you alicia or chloe or Lois thats a point
clark said I love you Lana I cant even counted

[supes0]

Superman never lies. Remember?

LOL. I disagree. He does. All the time. He lied to Lois even after they were engaged and he hadn't told her he was Superman. He says it makes him feel like a jerk.

http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp108.JPG
http://www.redboots.net/loislane/loisp107.JPG

And to this day he lies to protect his identity. Except now, Lois also lies for him.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/909/s65412kq.jpg




I'm going to enjoy every second of Clark Kent and Lois Lane together! I always do!:D

I wish I could say the same. But this last arc has made me hope for no Clois, even though I am bracing myself for it. :p