Is this the worst episode ever?/PS3 Destroyed Smallville Discussion

[galatians221]

Just anticipating a continuance of what we've seen the last four weeks.

[Demien]

I hope this will be better episode than the last one :-s

[thehenry89]

I'll reserve all judgment till I see the episode, but if it is as bad as last time I aint holding back.

[Jaderoyale]

I never thought anything could be as bad as Ageless. Then we had Sleeper. And last week Power.
I don't think this one will be as bad as those.
But i too like Britt won't hold back if its bad. I didn't last week.

[Cogito17]

Will it actually be the worst episode ever?

I'd be very surprised if it was.

Will there be fans screeching about how it is the worst episode ever?

I'd be very surpriesed if there weren't.

[SupesComicFan]

Can't be the worst episode ever, because Lana is gone for good. That alone elevates it to one of the BEST episodes ever.

[galatians221]

Can't be the worst episode ever, because Lana is gone for good. That alone elevates it to one of the BEST episodes ever.

Except that this episode is mostly about Lana and CK takes a back seat. At least that's my fear. We have a month wait until we see Lois again? That's a long time with the bad taste of Lana in our mouths.

[SupesComicFan]

When Lana is on it is ALL about Lana. What show have you been watching? :)

Lana is the bravest-and-strongest-mostloving-selfsacrificing person out there? Right? Isn't that what the show wants me to believe? Am I being brainwashed?

As for substance, I think this may be one of the worst, but as far as outcome, one of the BEST. :)

[galatians221]

Ok, two things.

1st, the thread title(s) make absolutely no sense. You post it every week, which defeats the purpose of the keyword 'ever'. Only one episode can be the worst 'ever', so if the possibility of a future episode being much more worse than tonight's episode or a prior episode exists, the thread title ought to read 'Worst Episode To Date/So Far'? - that would make a lot more sense.

2nd, if you hate/dislike the episodes so incredibly much, why even bother to watch it or post in a fansite forum more-or-less dedicated to the show? If you don't like it as much as it is coming across that you don't, then stop associating with all things relating to the show.

With those two things said, do I feel like tonight's episode will be the worst to date? No, not really. There have been plenty of 'doozies'. While it can easily be said by more than a handful of people that tonight's episode is never going to be voted as the best, it's my opinion it certainly can't and/or won't have been/will be the worst to air to date or to come.

If last week was the worst episode ever and this week is worse then it takes over as the worst episode ever. If you don't like my post why did you post on it?

[Fallen One]

Ha ha, starting it early, eh Galations.

I don't think it'll be worst than last weeks. It was like King Kong walked to Vancouver, took a crap, and out came Power.

Requiem can't possibly be worse than that. But I think it'll be pretty dang close.

[galatians221]

Ha ha, starting it early, eh Galations.

I don't think it'll be worst than last weeks. It was like King Kong walked to Vancouver, took a crap, and out came Power.

Requiem can't possibly be worse than that. But I think it'll be pretty dang close.

That was a good one. Could this week be a double dose by KK?

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I posted for two particular reasons - both listed; I then posted on the thread's topic. If you had read my post, and I presume, with you posting and replying on a text-based forum, that you can read, you wouldn't need to ask me why I posted in the thread since, again, the reasons are already posted.

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Oh, and that makes absolutely no sense. 'Ever' is the sense of finality. It means forever. Let me get you the definition...



So, if last week's episode was the worst ever, then this episode can't be the worst ever. If this episode is the worst ever, then last week's episode wasn't the worst ever, it was just the worst to date.

Hence, this episode can't be the worst ever unless no future episodes are ever going to be worse than this one. Can you make such a claim? Do you have the power of precognition and/or clairvoyance to make such a claim?

Whatever!!

[Tompouce]

After "power", we can NOT have worst lol

[RingzTerritory]

Any episode with lana this season is the worst for me =(
she even managed to kill Bride for me.

[rconner]

well since this is the last "lana" episode ..... thats a plus right there!

[Rizarro]

I thought Bride, Legion, and Bulletproof were GREAT. Power wasn't my favorite, but I kinda liked it.

[devilicus rebel]

Supes has a got a point. How can this be the worst episode ever when Lana is finally leaving? I hate the fact that we have to wait another month before we get to see Erica again.

[Alexander III]

Ha ha, starting it early, eh Galations.

I don't think it'll be worst than last weeks. It was like King Kong walked to Vancouver, took a crap, and out came Power.

Requiem can't possibly be worse than that. But I think it'll be pretty dang close.

Your avi ROCKS dude!! "Lana, say hello to my liddo frd!!!!!!!!" Duude, awesome dudee!!

[ClarkyBoy14]

Yes, it was absolutely horrible.

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I thought Bride, Legion, and Bulletproof were GREAT. Power wasn't my favorite, but I kinda liked it.

I agree.

[Clana Kent]

Any episode with lana this season is the worst for me =(
she even managed to kill Bride for me.

How's that possible? :eek: She was barely even in it!
Plus, she rescued Clark from the green Kryptonite!

I think this episode will have a hard time to beat Power (amazing episode :D), but I'm sure it'll be great :)

With other words: This won't be the worst episode ever! How on Earth can it be worse than Crimson? :eek:

[NIGHTRAVENXLR1]

going to watch it first but i hope it lives up to closing clana four good.
well then in a mount lois comes back and i will have forgotten thiq arc ever happend!
mind wipe please:D

[marcella]

I will wait to watch,but I say that it doesn't sound promising

[vikingjedi]

Congratulations to the writers for taking my favorite show and destroying it in one night.

First Clark doesn't make the decision to become Superman on his own and leave Lana. No instead he's forced to become Superman because he can't be with her.

The founder of the Justice League - the Green Arrow is now a cold blooded murderer.

Not only is Chloe now a liar she is a murderer as well and even agreed that murdering Lex was the right thing to do.

Lana is now a superhero. WTF.

PS3 sucks. Not only did Smallville just jump the shark they killed it and ate it.

[unfocused]

Congratulations to the writers for making an awesome episode!

[paolinki25]

I'm just sad about what they've done to Clark. They sacrificed the incredible growth he's experienced this season to please a group of shipper fans.

[6-Super-Man -5]

Oh come on, they did not jump the shark, maybe some of the story was disappointing, but they didn't jump the shark...

[green_arrow_girl358]

I'm just sad about what they've done to Clark. They sacrificed the incredible growth he's experienced this season to please a group of shipper fans.

diddo. lana already had her send off. so now it's time to go back to china

[Mickey_Bickey]

It was bad altogether. Clark looked like nothing short of a bafoon tonight. It was painful to watch actually.

The writing collaboration should put bags over their heads for this one. Embarrassing.

[nede]

Congratulations to the writers for taking my favorite show and destroying it in one night.

First Clark doesn't make the decision to become Superman on his own and leave Lana. No instead he's forced to become Superman because he can't be with her.

The founder of the Justice League - the Green Arrow is now a cold blooded murderer.

Not only is Chloe now a liar she is a murderer as well and even agreed that murdering Lex was the right thing to do.

Lana is now a superhero. WTF.

PS3 sucks. Not only did Smallville just jump the shark they killed it and ate it.


ITA...i feel like i just got crapped on......:\


but i still think tat there was sum influential control on the whole chloe killing sebastian thing...she looked really confused still...like she doesnt really know wat the heck happened

[ManOfSteel87]

The story itself was great. Really could've been a great episode IMO with Toyman and Lex return, etc. However, like I feared, it was overshadowed by the Clana action. Wouldn't say worst ever and wouldn't say PS3 destroyed the show, but a major setback none the less. But it's over now and they can get back to the SV they created before the Lana arc. Here's to a great season 8 ending, hopefully they can get back on track now!

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

Congratulations to the writers for making an awesome episode!

Heck yeah!

To the OP: Lana is actually a superhero in the comics....

[devilicus rebel]

Lana needed to lose her powers and have Clark realize that he is not in love with her. The Oliver as a killer angle I didn't mind so much..

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

I'm just sad about what they've done to Clark. They sacrificed the incredible growth he's experienced this season to please a group of shipper fans.


Exactly and this is just disgraceful. As much as I want a relationship with Lois and Clark. I would never want Lois in a position where she has to make Clark realize he is Superman.
Now Lana is a super hero and Clark well...he's just Clark...:\

[Night_Hawk90]

honestly this was not the biggest wtf moment on smallville, smallville jumped the shark back in season 5 this episode was quite good.

[xrayvision]

Congratulations to the writers for making an awesome episode!

It would have been awesome IMO had they handled Lana's character and Clark's character in an intelligent way. But they ruined those 2 characters, especially Clark in this episode.

The stuff with Toyman, Lex, and Ollie was really cool. I actually think Lex was Oliver in this episode, but I created a seperate thread for that.

[tippership commander]

Congratulations to the writers for taking my favorite show and destroying it in one night.

First Clark doesn't make the decision to become Superman on his own and leave Lana. No instead he's forced to become Superman because he can't be with her.

The founder of the Justice League - the Green Arrow is now a cold blooded murderer.

Not only is Chloe now a liar she is a murderer as well and even agreed that murdering Lex was the right thing to do.

Lana is now a superhero. WTF.

PS3 sucks. Not only did Smallville just jump the shark they killed it and ate it.



.....

you do realize, that

1. Clark LEARNED ANOTHER DECISION that superman knows when he's come to, that NO MATTER what happns, KILLING is never an option(i'll give you a hint: it's what season 8 is ABOUT, clark learning superman skills, and this is ONE of them)

2. Green Arrow is learning the SAME lesson-which is whu the league will have the no kill rule( hint: even the legion didnt have it)

he'll come arounnd, ITS NOT OVER YET< so ....you're jumping the gun, OBVIOUSLY

donlt lose faith in what hasnt even occured!!!!!

the fat lady did NOT sing, and won,t for a WHILE




3. Chloe is feeling remorse, which negates all of that, because she's a good person, and though she agreed with oliver, because his argument seemed perfect at the time, and her guilt got her for a sec.....d oyou realy think that?\\\


4. er, Imra never said she'd become a superhero...she'll go on to do ISIS-like things...

she'll settle down, she won't stay a superhero, i feel..
nothing indicates she's a superhero for life...

SHE's likely to hang up the 'cape' and do more down-to-earth work

5. Not YET

you're jumping the gun..

i mean, if you had the MAJORITY of smallville fans agreeing, then you might be onto something ,at best..

but, take some time, then realize smallville is a LEGEND, and..

Clark is STILL becoming superman..

remember, uperman and relationships aren't connected...

AND, all that has YET to come anyway

so cheer UP,quit sayign the episode sucked, and enjoy Smallville!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i sure am, and i've been watching since season 4


i guess ,i'm a TRUE SV fan, ..

just as i KNOW you are, despite all that you say that might seem contrary

WHY? because i have hope,

just like SUPERMAN always finds the right way to solve problems, and NEVER GIVES UP, .....you really think i'd quit on smallville?

and you wont either

-who's with me?


----------------------The Tippership Commander

[ManOfSteel87]

It would have been awesome IMO had they handled Lana's character and Clark's character in an intelligent way. But they ruined those 2 characters, especially Clark in this episode.

The stuff with Toyman, Lex, and Ollie was really cool. I actually think Lex was Oliver in this episode, but I created a seperate thread for that.

I agree, could've been awesome if they had handled Clana better. It overshadowed a great story with Toyman, Lex, etc.

[VisionGirl]

Heck yeah!

To the OP: Lana is actually a superhero in the comics....

She's the Insect Queen...

[Jedimaster_TTBaby]

This was not the worst epi...it was a good epi! I think Power was the worst!

[DontCha]

I'l say it again


This arc is not the end of the season its the middle

its the DISRUPTION...disruption, disruption, disruption DISRUPTION lol

its the act that comes between act 1(Equilibrium) and act 3(New Equilibrium)

the thing that shakes up/changes/threatenes but does not completely destroy the correct balance.

[Lilah]

My bestfriend sat with me throughout this crapfest even though she's not a fan (she's watched a few episodes cause of me in the past, but that's it). When it ended, she was like wow, that sucked. I had to apologize for making her endure that one hour she'll never get back. If I ever doubted her friendship before, I sure can't now....

[WalterK]

I've give the writers credit for trying something really different, some really different angles. Hey, it's their show, I guess they want to see how far they can go past the traditional Superman mythos before the viewers turn off their TV sets. Time will tell.

I did find the concept of necessary murder interesting. Let's face it, if Lex knows Clark's secret and really wants to kill him, he will. It strains credibility for Lex to remain alive and not be able to finish Clark. I don't know what point the writers were trying to make. I mean, we all know that Clark represents an ideal, and that in his fictional world, he always finds an answer. Do they mean that Clark gets to be an idealistic because his friends are pragmatic when it comes to protecting him? It's sort of like Europe, insisting that diplomacy is always sufficient, but this ideal is only made possible by the U.S., which is willling to abandon diplomacy when surival is at stake.

[JTShiro]

There were elements I liked in the story such as Lex coming back (though I know not the same), the irony of Clana ending the way it did (seeing that Clark and Lana in S1 were separated by K chain, now by K body), and the final scene was good, the so so elements: Toyman could have been better, Oliver becoming evil slowly, Chloe's killing issue, and some downright dumb elements: Clana till the final scene, Lex possibly getting killed (I don't buy it)

[CK&CK]

Congratulations to the writers for taking my favorite show and destroying it in one night.

First Clark doesn't make the decision to become Superman on his own and leave Lana. No instead he's forced to become Superman because he can't be with her.

The founder of the Justice League - the Green Arrow is now a cold blooded murderer.

Not only is Chloe now a liar she is a murderer as well and even agreed that murdering Lex was the right thing to do.

Lana is now a superhero. WTF.

PS3 sucks. Not only did Smallville just jump the shark they killed it and ate it.

When fans of the raven haired, but bone thin beauty...say that she was awesome in a Smallville episode....I tend to cringe....because I know it almost always means that everything else in Smallville is going to look more ridiculous......some friends of mine at work laughed at this show the other day.....they called it somewhat cheesey from what they remember (not really die hard fans you know)....but now that I despise Smallville's overall take on Superman (and don't even get me started on the laughable Lana Fu Fang).......they ask how bad can it be if even I despise it completely now.......I was a little more than embarrased at saying I once watched this show with a die hard vengence (which is weird since they've known forever that I have been watching this show....or maybe it just that I've reached a new embarassment low with regards to Smallville)......and okay....when the show was better (although, there right...it's always had a little bit of cheese to it)....it didn't bother me so much.....but now....embarassed or not.....I kind of laughed when they were laughing there butts off at this show.....because IT'S TRUE.......THIS SHOW IS RIDICULOUS...The little boy with the red jacket who never learns....and who will never grow up....his actions very often do not follow his pretentious, grandiose...and supposedly iconic statements...(he's a big hypocrite)......And seriously....Is this show "The Legend of Cheung Li "or is it "The Chronicles of Lana Fu Fang"?....Super heroine...pfft!.......Oh yeah, there's plenty of chuckles to go around.....not just from these friends of mine.

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PS3 sucks. Not only did Smallville just jump the shark they killed it and ate it.

I hear the writters contemplated a script were a certain someone jumps into the water...swims and chases down it's kill....and then spears it with her canine fangs....only to drag it on to the shore....where she Filets & Cooks this great catch with her Super Powers. One guess who.

[galatians221]

I will wait to watch,but I say that it doesn't sound promising

Well I believe it was worse than last week making it the worst of the season.

[thehenry89]

I would have rather walked over hot coals and broken glass then watch this episode. I coulda been out with friends or playing my new wii, but no I thought to myself "The PS3 will surely fix the mess they began in power" god I was a fool.

[Dresden]

Yes, it's the worst ever. I didn't see it. But it's the worst ever. Hahaha! :)

[celita]

Requiem can't possibly be worse than that. But I think it'll be pretty dang close.

Poor Cedric

[Fish1941]

This is such a stupid episode. Honestly.

[Jack-El49]

The arc was the worst of the series but the episode was not the worst. It was the sappiest and didn't do what it should have done but it wasn't near the worst ever in the series.

[BadToad]

I think this one, and the last one, are sort of a package deal. Were they the worst acted? No The worst directed? No. But in terms of what they did to the storyline overall, and to Clark? Yes, I think they'd have to be right up there. IMO

[Alicia Chipy]

It was like a black hole sucking all positive thoughts about Clark and Clois right out of my head leaving an empty void .

[Dominicus]

The entire lana arc should be grouped as one. The worst arc ever.:mad:

[spotteddog]

Worst ever? Nope, the exploding baby episode will always hold that award, at least for me.

In terms of how Lana would leave, well, I think it was all a little far fetched - ok, really far fetched. There had to be a better way.

But the acting, specifically KK and TW (mainly TW)? Fantastic. I am glad I watched the episode if only for that reason.

[lovinredkclark]

I would have rather walked over hot coals and broken glass then watch this episode. I coulda been out with friends or playing my new wii, but no I thought to myself "The PS3 will surely fix the mess they began in power" god I was a fool.

hey i was on my wii fit. i actually got the high score for the ski jump.
i think i got the better end of the deal.

so i didn't watch it, but from what i've read, sorry you had to sit through that.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

I think this one, and the last one, are sort of a package deal. Were they the worst acted? No The worst directed? No. But in terms of what they did to the storyline overall, and to Clark? Yes, I think they'd have to be right up there. IMO

You nailed it BadToad, my feelings exactly!

[tippership commander]

i liked it a lot, ....
but of course, sadly, im te only one who realized this was aepisode that actually had clar k advance, and made the plot interesting(ollie)



:(

worst episode?

well, im happy to say NO

---------------------Sincerely, the Tippership Commander

[Supes4Ever]

Wait... you mean the same Lana Lang who has gotten powers many times before in the comics, even becoming a hero called the Insect Queen? Or the Lana that gets an honorary induction into the Legion? Listen, I HATE Lana and I am only here to watch for Clark and his story, but the stories are THERE in the comics. Just like in the comics Clark loved and tried to marry Lori Lemaris BEFORE meeting Lois (and was heartbroken for years over losing her), and Lois loved other men before meeting Clark (even dating Lex Luthor for a bit...oh yes, she did). Sorry, not trying to break the rules, but all I have heard during the Lana-arc (especially tonight is) "THE MYTHOS, THE MYTHOS, THEY DESTROYED THE MYTHOS AND THE SHOW!!" Really, it's not true at ALL.

[bizzaroboy9]

this is not the worst episode

[eas]

No, "Power" was worse than this one. This had an interesting storyline with Toyman and Ollie. (Although it sucks that they have Ollie being a cold blooded killer, now.)

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Worst ever? Nope, the exploding baby episode will always hold that award, at least for me.

I'll take "Ageless" over these two episodes ANY day. At least that episode made sense in the context of the season and within the narrative arc that Clark & Lana were in at that time. They didn't have to jump through hoops to push that episode in and they didn't have to write both characters as being completely OOC (as well as ruining all other characters on the show) to be able to pull off the episode.

Did that ep have a stupid premise? Yes. But it also made SENSE.

These episodes don't make sense and only served to regress and ruin Clark's character.

[tippership commander]

Wait... you mean the same Lana Lang who has gotten powers many times before in the comics, even becoming a hero called the Insect Queen? Or the Lana that gets an honorary induction into the Legion? Listen, I HATE Lana and I am only here to watch for Clark and his story, but the stories are THERE in the comics. Just like in the comics Clark loved and tried to marry Lori Lemaris BEFORE meeting Lois (and was heartbroken for years over losing her), and Lois loved other men before meeting Clark (even dating Lex Luthor for a bit...oh yes, she did). Sorry, not trying to break the rules, but all I have heard during the Lana-arc (especially tonight is) "THE MYTHOS, THE MYTHOS, THEY DESTROYED THE MYTHOS AND THE SHOW!!" Really, it's not true at ALL.

one diff betwee nme and you

i actually like lana, and am a SMALL fan of clana, but...

the rest, is solid GOLD..

true

[MAN-of-STEEL]

No, "Power" was worse than this one. This had an interesting storyline with Toyman and Ollie. (Although it sucks that they have Ollie being a cold blooded killer, now.)

Yup. I think Toyman and Oliver were what salvaged this episode from being as bad as "Power"

[dru-zod2501]

no, again it was not

[galatians221]

The entire lana arc should be grouped as one. The worst arc ever.:mad:

I can't disagree with you. Can SV survive this debacle?

[Supes4Ever]

Sleeper was and still is the worst, that and the one where the three girls became witches (can't remember the name). God...those were SOOO bad.

[Jack-El49]

This arc didn't destroy SV and this episode was far from the worst. The way the closure was handled was pathetic though, that's all.

It was entertaining and brought up some good issues of good versus evil and what must be done when you face evil. It was well acted. Toyman was creepy so that was good.

This didn't ruin mythos either. Nor does it cheapen Clois. Nor did it show Clark in a very good light. To me, there was simply a little too much Lana worship but after 7+ years, I guess they deserved to focus on it.

I would have preferred that Lana did not achieve some super powers to "be Clark's equal" in order to have him love her. I would have preferred that Clark shut the door to romance with Lana when she returned in Bride and these other four episodes center on showing how Clark has gotten over his first love and is ready to move on. I think that would be more in line with the first 10 eps.

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Sleeper was and still is the worst, that and the one where the three girls became witches (can't remember the name). God...those were SOOO bad.

Don't forget Subterranean. Al/Miles take on illegal immigration.

[Saturn Girl]

The only thing about this episode that I didn't really like was Lana telling Clark not to kill. Clark's the one always annoying his friends with his amazing resolve for mercy when they're chomping at the bit to do Lionel or Lex in.

I felt it was out of character for Clark.

I still got teary eyed when Clark moved towards Lana (end scene) despite the physical pain he was enduring. That worked for me.

The writers need Lois to sweep Clark off his super feet now. Lois has to slowly build an intensity for/from Clark that rivals and ultimately supersedes the love he had for Lana or their romance will only ever be 2nd best.

[galatians221]

Yup. I think Toyman and Oliver were what salvaged this episode from being as bad as "Power"

As always it's Lana who negates all of the good stuff.

[Jawth]

Just when I thought the show could not get any worse, they put out another steaming pile of crap and tried to spoonfeed it to us.

Lex without Rosenbaum? That isn't fair to the fans, and Rosenbaum said as much. As to him being dead, it's another recycled plot point in the series. He cannot die because he is pivitol in Clark's future. Please.

Ollie as killer? He's the IDEALIST. I can deal with not following the comics, but to piss on the character and his entire history......it's inexcusable.

Clark being talked down yet AGAIN by Lana? Yes, because the one who kidnapped Lionel and tortured him, tried to kill Lex, had sex with Clark's archnemesis repeatedly, she is sure the moral compass of the show. The sendoff was another problem in itself. It completely destroys the Clark/Lois relationship, as he'll be complaining and crying over Lana for the next seven or eight episodes. Why couldn't they just kill her off?

[galatians221]

Just when I thought the show could not get any worse, they put out another steaming pile of crap and tried to spoonfeed it to us.

Lex without Rosenbaum? That isn't fair to the fans, and Rosenbaum said as much. As to him being dead, it's another recycled plot point in the series. He cannot die because he is pivitol in Clark's future. Please.

Ollie as killer? He's the IDEALIST. I can deal with not following the comics, but to piss on the character and his entire history......it's inexcusable.

Clark being talked down yet AGAIN by Lana? Yes, because the one who kidnapped Lionel and tortured him, tried to kill Lex, had sex with Clark's archnemesis repeatedly, she is sure the moral compass of the show. The sendoff was another problem in itself. It completely destroys the Clark/Lois relationship, as he'll be complaining and crying over Lana for the next seven or eight episodes. Why couldn't they just kill her off?

Well put. It's a crying shame.

[doomvskal86]

Sleeper was and still is the worst, that and the one where the three girls became witches (can't remember the name). God...those were SOOO bad.

The one your thinking of is "Thirst" and those are some of the worst in smallville

[Bre723]

No way this was the worst!

[Dominicus]

I can't disagree with you. Can SV survive this debacle?Depends on the chemistry and how the next episodes are written, Dialog is key. If they're smart (which after this arc i have no faith) they'll give it time, saying infamous takes place six-months into the future. But yeah, clark has always put himself in harms way, even for an enemy, that's classic superman. So I wasn't really moved by this Clana performance rather stunt, because it's repetitive and nothing new, like the video when Clark got dumped.

I think back to Alicia and how heartbroken he was over her death, and how he chose her, over Lana, nearly choking to death her murderer.

Lois is the next, and final stage of Clark finally growing the hell up and becoming superman. Accepting and embracing his destiny, instead of hiding in the past, ie holding onto Lana's necklace, which has been returned to its owner, signifying they were not meant for each other, and their love was in the past. He has nothing of her to hold him back any longer.

I'm hoping for a season 9, because I want them to properly develope the superman mythos and his transending love for Lois. this mess needs to be cleaned up! Then, I hope lana comes back for 1 episode, so that she, and Clark can have true closure. She needs to see how much Clark matured, and deeply loves lois only then, can it truly be corrected. They both will realize they no longer have those feelings for each other. And lana needs to lose that power suit and wig.:rotfl:

[Mrs. Superman]

Congratulations to the writers for taking my favorite show and destroying it in one night.

First Clark doesn't make the decision to become Superman on his own and leave Lana. No instead he's forced to become Superman because he can't be with her.

The founder of the Justice League - the Green Arrow is now a cold blooded murderer.

Not only is Chloe now a liar she is a murderer as well and even agreed that murdering Lex was the right thing to do.

Lana is now a superhero. WTF.

PS3 sucks. Not only did Smallville just jump the shark they killed it and ate it.
EXACTLY! WTF indeed....

This wasn't the worse episode, that IMO still goes to Power, but it comes close behind for the horrible ending. Closure was all I asked, but alas, it was too much for SV.

[amberdawn]

PS3 sucks. Not only did Smallville just jump the shark they killed it and ate it.

Well put. :lol:

[galatians221]

Depends on the chemistry and how the next episodes are written, Dialog is key. If they're smart (which after this arc i have no faith) they'll give it time, saying infamous takes place six-months into the future. But yeah, clark has always put himself in harms way, even for an enemy, that's classic superman. So I wasn't really moved by this Clana performance rather stunt, because it's repetitive and nothing new, like the video when Clark got dumped.

I think back to Alicia and how heartbroken he was over her death, and how he chose her, over Lana, nearly choking to death her murderer.

Lois is the next, and final stage of Clark finally growing the hell up and becoming superman. Accepting and embracing his destiny, instead of hiding in the past, ie holding onto Lana's necklace, which has been returned to its owner, signifying they were not meant for each other, and their love was in the past. He has nothing of her to hold him back any longer.

I'm hoping for a season 9, because I want them to properly develope the superman mythos and his transending love for Lois. this mess needs to be cleaned up! Then, I hope lana comes back for 1 episode, so that she, and Clark can have true closure. She needs to see how much Clark matured, and deeply loves lois only then, can it truly be corrected. They both will realize they no longer have those feelings for each other. And lana needs to lose that power suit and wig.:rotfl:

You're right, "this mess needs to be cleaned up" and we thought it would be with Gough/Millar off the scene but now I have no confidence in these writers. Someone else needs to be brought in to clean up the mess. DC and WB should step in and be more involved imho.

[ClubXerxes]

This was a dark and depressing episode. Characters who were the show's moral compass have undergone a pole shift, and Clark's humanity has just gotten in the way one too many times. He has to realize at some point that exposing himself this way to love is just going to cause too much pain - I am not sure how they will go about bringing Clark and Lois together after this. The only way they can differentiate Lois from the others is that life with Lois is just easier - things just fit right. Lois has to be the one that helps Clark heal after Lana. She will be his support, and as a result, they will grow closer.

This is the ONLY way now - anything else would be contrived and forced. The question remains - do they have time to do this? If not, the whole thing might just end with no resolution - and that would be an utter waste.


As for Chloe, her descent into darkness seems all but sure - she will either completely descend or she will descend to a point then redeem herself in one final act of love for Clark.

Ollie is another story - he's out of control.

Clark - Clark must circle the wagons and stop acting the fool. He needs to step up big time, and I think he will - throw himself into the work of saving others, and increasing his legend. This thing will eventually be good for him...the problem I have with the way they ended things however is that we have to believe Clark simply gives up on saving Lana. He NEVER gives up...right? How am I now to believe that Clark will just roll over and move on?

Lana should have at least died. He would be FORCED to move on...now, moving on seems to betray his nature as one who NEVER abandons a lost cause.

Powerful episode in terms of theater, and dreadful in terms of exposition and closure...I don't really know what to rate it - I may just have to see how this plays out...maybe then I can determine it's true worth.

Overall, I was disappointed and saddened.

[galatians221]

This was a dark and depressing episode. Characters who were the show's moral compass have undergone a pole shift, and Clark's humanity has just gotten in the way one too many times. He has to realize at some point that exposing himself this way to love is just going to cause too much pain - I am not sure how they will go about bringing Clark and Lois together after this. The only way they can differentiate Lois from the others is that life with Lois is just easier - things just fit right. Lois has to be the one that helps Clark heal after Lana. She will be his support, and as a result, they will grow closer.

This is the ONLY way now - anything else would be contrived and forced. The question remains - do they have time to do this? If not, the whole thing might just end with no resolution - and that would be an utter waste.


As for Chloe, her descent into darkness seems all but sure - she will either completely descend or she will descend to a point then redeem herself in one final act of love for Clark.

Ollie is another story - he's out of control.

Clark - Clark must circle the wagons and stop acting the fool. He needs to step up big time, and I think he will - throw himself into the work of saving others, and increasing his legend. This thing will eventually be good for him...the problem I have with the way they ended things however is that we have to believe Clark simply gives up on saving Lana. He NEVER gives up...right? How am I now to believe that Clark will just roll over and move on?

Lana should have at least died. He would be FORCED to move on...now, moving on seems to betray his nature as one who NEVER abandons a lost cause.

Powerful episode in terms of theater, and dreadful in terms of exposition and closure...I don't really know what to rate it - I may just have to see how this plays out...maybe then I can determine it's true worth.

Overall, I was disappointed and saddened.

Great post. If they're smart CK will find out something about Lana that showed her dark side and turn Clark against her. As it is, he's going to spend the rest of his life staring at her picture in the barn. Nothing good ever happens in that blasted barn.

[galatians221]

Oh come on, they did not jump the shark, maybe some of the story was disappointing, but they didn't jump the shark...

Time will tell. They have eight episodes to turn it around. Maybe less if the ratings tumble.

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I'l say it again


This arc is not the end of the season its the middle

its the DISRUPTION...disruption, disruption, disruption DISRUPTION lol

its the act that comes between act 1(Equilibrium) and act 3(New Equilibrium)

the thing that shakes up/changes/threatenes but does not completely destroy the correct balance.

I hope you're right but the fact remains that these writers just don't get it. I thought they did but they seem burned out. I don't know if they have it in them.

[galatians221]

My bestfriend sat with me throughout this crapfest even though she's not a fan (she's watched a few episodes cause of me in the past, but that's it). When it ended, she was like wow, that sucked. I had to apologize for making her endure that one hour she'll never get back. If I ever doubted her friendship before, I sure can't now....

My best friend (my 7 year old daughter) will be disappointed when I tell her I erased it from the DVR before letting her see it. She doesn't need to see that garbage. Clark screws Lana and Oliver kills Lex and Chloe continues to ignore her husband. What's worth showing her?

[vyperman7]

I think the writers suffer from being indecisive on what they want to do. The first half of the show and the last handful of episodes felt like two different shows to me. The writers needed to come up with one game plan in the off season and see it through to the end. When they took two completely different routes, it hurt the season as a whole because both storylines conflict with each other.

The first half was all about Clois starting at the DP and feelings developing between them, in tandem with the Red-Blue Blur/Clark developing a secret identity and the sub-plot with Doomsday. Now personally these are all the things that made me want to come back for more. Lana was a thing of the past, and Clark was all about moving forward in both his personal life and his destiny.

Then the last handful of episodes deal with Clana coming back in full force, Lana trying to discover her heroic side, and Clark willing to give up everything to be with her including his life and principles. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the first half of the season and it wreaks of regression. I have a hard time believing that the same writers that wrote the first half are responsible for these last bit of episodes. It almost seems like AlMiles wrote these episodes and just handed them the scripts.

Now we are left at a stand-still for the rest of the season. Clark isn't believeable in the hero role, because of how easily he sacrifices his principles and all the people that he was meant to save. He didn't give the world a second thought at all before he almost killed himself. Superman is supposed to put the wellfare of people and the world in general, above all else. Including his own personal desires. That is what makes him the hero we all know and love. How can a man who is willing to sacrifice everything for a selfish reason ever be Superman? Clois is screwed is because there won't be enough time to have Clark move on convincingly and any feelings he develops now will seem forced, rushed, and completely unbelieveable.

So I think the writers inability to make decisions and stick with one plan has ruined the rest of the season. Have they ruined the show for good? Only time will tell. Personally though I don't see how Clark can ever recover from the character assisination he suffered in Requiem.

[amberdawn]

Well put, Ryan.

[KneelBeforeZod!]

this was in no way the worst episode! I think that our dislike of the Lana arc through the years is clouding our judgment.

I like that the writers are taking a chance with the mythos, the Clana star-crossed lovers thingy, Ollie pushing the moral boundaries, luvable Chloe not so luvable anymore.

We all got comfortable, but hey, this is Smallville!

Remember how dark the show was in the early seasons. We were heading comfortably into comic book/big screen/Lois & Clark, New Adventures of Supes, and I guess the writers decided to end the nostalgia and gives all a swift kick in the you-know-what.

It's the 21st Century. Time for shake up in the old mythos.

[Skaterpen357]

I think the writers suffer from being indecisive on what they want to do. The first half of the show and the last handful of episodes felt like two different shows to me. The writers needed to come up with one game plan in the off season and see it through to the end. When they took two completely different routes, it hurt the season as a whole because both storylines conflict with each other.

The first half was all about Clois starting at the DP and feelings developing between them, in tandem with the Red-Blue Blur/Clark developing a secret identity and the sub-plot with Doomsday. Now personally these are all the things that made me want to come back for more. Lana was a thing of the past, and Clark was all about moving forward in both his personal life and his destiny.

Then the last handful of episodes deal with Clana coming back in full force, Lana trying to discover her heroic side, and Clark willing to give up everything to be with her including his life and principles. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the first half of the season and it wreaks of regression. I have a hard time believing that the same writers that wrote the first half are responsible for these last bit of episodes. It almost seems like AlMiles wrote these episodes and just handed them the scripts.

Now we are left at a stand-still for the rest of the season. Clark isn't believeable in the hero role, because of how easily he sacrifices his principles and all the people that he was meant to save. He didn't give the world a second thought at all before he almost killed himself. Superman is supposed to put the wellfare of people and the world in general, above all else. Including his own personal desires. That is what makes him the hero we all know and love. How can a man who is willing to sacrifice everything for a selfish reason ever be Superman? Clois is screwed is because there won't be enough time to have Clark move on convincingly and any feelings he develops now will seem forced, rushed, and completely unbelieveable.

So I think the writers inability to make decisions and stick with one plan has ruined the rest of the season. Have they ruined the show for good? Only time will tell. Personally though I don't see how Clark can ever recover from the character assisination he suffered in Requiem.
Extremely well put. That being said, Clana is the least of my worries now. I think Green Arrow's killed a couple times in the comics, under very urgent and life-threatening circumstances, but placing a bomb under the truck of a man who poses no immediate threat is simply out of character and wrong, even if he was trying to "protect" Clark. And digging up Sebastian Kane's perverbial skeleton? A little out-of-line, I think.

And having Clark attempt to kill Lex is, in my opinion, just as bad, story-wise. Sure, you have Batman strangling the Joker as an empty threat, and superheroes inspiring fear and awe and all that, but Clark wasn't messing around. He was actually about to murder a cripple for breaking up his relationship with Lana, who (IMHO) isn't worth it anyway. That last part's just me (and half the internet), but having Clark legitimately attempt to kill a man over anyone, be it Lana, Jonathan, Chloe, or even Lois Lane herself is simply insulting to the legendary hero that is Superman.

(And yes, I realize this isn't a Superman show; it's Smallville, but they're the same person. It's like if Jesus were to steal something and lie about it when he was a teenager. Dramatic example, I guess, but you know what I mean.)

So I guess the three main problems with this episode were Clana (always bad, but I thought it bearable in this one, admittedly), Clark trying to become a cold-blooded killer, and Oliver going ahead and becoming a cold-blooded killer. I guess I'm with everyone who says Lex probably isn't dead, but then again, no one thought he would ever learn Clark's secret without a memory wipe, until we got "Arctic." So, Lex's fate is not certain in any way for me.

[galatians221]

Extremely well put. That being said, Clana is the least of my worries now. I think Green Arrow's killed a couple times in the comics, under very urgent and life-threatening circumstances, but placing a bomb under the truck of a man who poses no immediate threat is simply out of character and wrong, even if he was trying to "protect" Clark. And digging up Sebastian Kane's perverbial skeleton? A little out-of-line, I think.

And having Clark attempt to kill Lex is, in my opinion, just as bad, story-wise. Sure, you have Batman strangling the Joker as an empty threat, and superheroes inspiring fear and awe and all that, but Clark wasn't messing around. He was actually about to murder a cripple for breaking up his relationship with Lana, who (IMHO) isn't worth it anyway. That last part's just me (and half the internet), but having Clark legitimately attempt to kill a man over anyone, be it Lana, Jonathan, Chloe, or even Lois Lane herself is simply insulting to the legendary hero that is Superman.

(And yes, I realize this isn't a Superman show; it's Smallville, but they're the same person. It's like if Jesus were to steal something and lie about it when he was a teenager. Dramatic example, I guess, but you know what I mean.)

So I guess the three main problems with this episode were Clana (always bad, but I thought it bearable in this one, admittedly), Clark trying to become a cold-blooded killer, and Oliver going ahead and becoming a cold-blooded killer. I guess I'm with everyone who says Lex probably isn't dead, but then again, no one thought he would ever learn Clark's secret without a memory wipe, until we got "Arctic." So, Lex's fate is not certain in any way for me.

Please don't forget heartless Chloe who is not the least concerned with Jimmy and just goes on as usual. Maybe they left Lois out of these last few so that she would not be tainted by all of the trash that went on. From Clark on down the characters have been sullied. One of my criteria for whether or not I like a movie is that there must be at least one character that I like. Right now I don't like any of these characters on SV.

[Night_Hawk90]

how many worst episodes ever can there be in a season, first its bulletproof, then power now requiem? there can only be one period. No way this episode is worse than toxic or instinct.

[Mrs. Superman]

how many worst episodes ever can there be in a season, first its bulletproof, then power now requiem? there can only be one period. No way this episode is worse than toxic or instinct.

Hey I thought Power was the worst, but that was before I saw Requiem. Still think story wise Power outsucked Requiem but it was close and I cant blame anyone if they feel Requiem is the worst episode ever. It certainly is in the running for that title.

[galatians221]

Hey I thought Power was the worst, but that was before I saw Requiem. Still think story wise Power outsucked Requiem but it was close and I cant blame anyone if they feel Requiem is the worst episode ever. It certainly is in the running for that title.

The way they ended things with Lana is intolerable. She now roams the earth saving people and we're supposed to believe that she's out of CK's life? This is the same screwed up logic that ignores Jimmy laying in a hospital bed near death and Chloe never visits him and his condition isn't even mentioned. This is pitiful writing and the longer it goes on the worse it gets.

[galatians221]

Sleeper was and still is the worst, that and the one where the three girls became witches (can't remember the name). God...those were SOOO bad.

We have to draw a distinction between the Freak of the Week shows and this latest round of events. Ultimately I suppose Lana is the #1 freak of the week but I can't compare Amy Adams trying to eat Pete and the look on his face on their date when her stomach started growling and SuperLana. It just seems that after 8 seasons things would get better.

[justme_007]

COME on... whenever Clana is ;) i am happy

[SupermanRox]

So I think the writers inability to make decisions and stick with one plan has ruined the rest of the season. Have they ruined the show for good? Only time will tell. Personally though I don't see how Clark can ever recover from the character assisination he suffered in Requiem. <!-- / message --><!-- edit note -->

Well said. I certainly hope that they've not ruined the show for good. I honestly believe that once they bring Lois back in the picture the show will start shaping up and moving forward. Once it starts gaining ground again I think the viewers will see nothing but forward momentum. The writers just need to dust the cobwebs off their brains and get down to business.

[Tinyeppy]

Now we are left at a stand-still for the rest of the season. Clark isn't believeable in the hero role, because of how easily he sacrifices his principles and all the people that he was meant to save. He didn't give the world a second thought at all before he almost killed himself. Superman is supposed to put the wellfare of people and the world in general, above all else. Including his own personal desires. That is what makes him the hero we all know and love. How can a man who is willing to sacrifice everything for a selfish reason ever be Superman?

So I think the writers inability to make decisions and stick with one plan has ruined the rest of the season. Have they ruined the show for good? Only time will tell. Personally though I don't see how Clark can ever recover from the character assisination he suffered in Requiem.


ITA! I also have a problem with CK's dignity and integrity. You suppose to see Superman & respect him. At this point I want to knock him in the head for being such a emotionally unstable idiot. I'm really having problems with Clark Kent behavior and
attitude on Smallville.
This is an A/U reality for me. This isn't Superman "Man of Steel" it's Superman "Man the Abater".


Clois is screwed is because there won't be enough time to have Clark move on convincingly and any feelings he develops now will seem forced, rushed, and completely unbelieveable.

ITA with this too but like I said Smallville is A/U for me. There's no way Clois will ever be the same as the myth there's not enough time. It's just to unreal after all this Clana shoved in my face for 8yrs and CK being such dumpa**. I will never believe that CK honeslty loves Lois more then Lana on Smallville. I will never believe any word that comes out of is mouth to Lois. It's to soon to fall in love the way Clois shown fall in love. Healing takes time & the bonding takes time.

We don't Time on Smallville.

Smallville to me is Superman gone Wrong. I'll see it when i want too and if I feel like it b/c it's not the real "Man of Steel". I didn't see season 7 and I've already miss 2 episodes this season. I refuse to see CK behave like this.

[galatians221]

how many worst episodes ever can there be in a season, first its bulletproof, then power now requiem? there can only be one period. No way this episode is worse than toxic or instinct.

I just deleted all of them from my DVR tonight. I think it's the first time in the two or three years of having a DVR that I've done something like that.

[bigblueplanet]

I think this one, and the last one, are sort of a package deal. Were they the worst acted? No The worst directed? No. But in terms of what they did to the storyline overall, and to Clark? Yes, I think they'd have to be right up there. IMO

Agreed.

Both 'Power' and 'Requiem' did the trick. IMO

[galatians221]

Agreed.

Both 'Power' and 'Requiem' did the trick. IMO

And to top it off the next episode had been pushed back another week so we have these episodes engrained in our minds for even longer and Durance will not have appeared in over 2 months. Great job guys.