Peter change

[kp1984]

His powers seemed to change in this epoisde. Instead of absorbing everybody power in the plane he had to touch them to get the power. Guess the formula must have given him a diffrent power.

[Alexander III]

His powers seemed to change in this epoisde. Instead of absorbing everybody power in the plane he had to touch them to get the power. Guess the formula must have given him a diffrent power.

Just like his dad, he has to touch ppl to absorbe powers but he doesn't take their power away. Im glad Peter got 2 more abilities now, for sure healing power later on from Claire.

[Ginx]

I wonder if his power has evolved so he can control it so he just touches people or if it's a side effect that now he can't absorb from a distance and has to touch people. I would think that if he tried he could pull powers without touching people. I wonder how close Sylar and Peter's powers are to each other.

Still, I wonder why Peter didn't fly when he was in the plane with the giant hole in the side that he accidently caused? I think maybe it was due to lack of oxygen in there......

[Lexgirl33]

I am interested to see how he figured out how he could absorb by touch. More questions!

[superhippie2000]

i think he figured it out on the plane cause i dont think he was trying to touch anyone.

[warriorrenegade]

He could fly. But I think his desire to stay with the plane and help as many as he could out weighed his fight/flight response. He wanted to stay and fight. Make sense? No didn't think so LOL.

[exiledone1]

I wonder if it changed his abilities where he can only have own power at a time now. that might explain why he was getting beat up after touching tracy and why he was worried about flying out of the plane. I remember hearing how they were concearned he was becoming too powerful as well as sylar which was part of the reset of their abilities.


I really hope that he can have more than one at a time. Having just one might make me stop watching. Peter without mulitple powers is like smallville without clark kent.

[warriorrenegade]

Sylar's powers weren't reset. He still has the telekinesis, and invulnerablility, and electro shock beams. Peter's are the ones that are in question. I still believe he can use multiple powers at onces. He just didn't fly cause he wanted to stay and help, to continue the fight.

[exiledone1]

Ah, okay that makes sense about peter, but as far as reset I meant when sylar lost all his powers accept for being able to figure out other abilities and telekensis. You know, after he got the cure for the virus. Sorry for the spelling. Good point about Peter though. Can't wait to learn more next week.

[FLyxNERD]

you know there goin to explain it by having a flashback episode entitled "2 months ago" lol

[kalel5313]

I really hope that Peter can have more than one ability at a time. If he can't have multiple abilities that would totally suck, and while I would still watch the show... I wouldn't like it as much.

[warriorrenegade]

you know there goin to explain it by having a flashback episode entitled "2 months ago" lol


NOOOOO! Last thing this show needs is another flashback episode.:rotfl:

[exiledone1]

you know there goin to explain it by having a flashback episode entitled "2 months ago" lol

Funny because my wife just chimed in and said the same thing.

[Jun]

I really hope that Peter can have more than one ability at a time. If he can't have multiple abilities that would totally suck, and while I would still watch the show... I wouldn't like it as much.

Agree 100%, I get the impression they were saying in this EP he's only allowed one at a time, however that will ruin the show IMO, I understand they needed to "reset" him, because he was ridiculously powerful, however no one will be able to even "scratch" Sylar if they don't give peter multiple powers.

Let him have multiple powers, but make it touch based, before he really was way to powerful, the only thing I can think of is possibly they gimped his powers temporarily, explainable by the IV, for that scene so he wouldn't absorb a dozen powers at once making the reset useless.

[targis]

Peter has had 2 months to collect powers from other hereos. he should have been more ready. Peter also fell for the hug again he should have known what was going to happen.

[Level5]

I thought after seeing that and him becoming weak. Was that he lost his ability to have more then one power. And I was even more surprised to see that he actually has to touch the other person now, to get their power. All I can say is they better fix it! Because Peter is by far my most favorite character.

I'm starting to get really mad at the writers for making him so stupid. I can't believe he fell for the hug thing again. I mean come on!

[warriorrenegade]

I don't believe it's stupidity more so it is trusting and just getting a hug from your big brother. Sure Nathan tricked him. But Peter had no real way of knowing Nathan was going to trick let alone think someone else was in the apartment.

[targis]

lol Peter will never give someone a hug again ever

[pizzahead2490]

you know there goin to explain it by having a flashback episode entitled "2 months ago" lol

sooo true and if we are lucky it will be two episodes dedicated to it:lol:

[Level5]

I don't believe it's stupidity more so it is trusting and just getting a hug from your big brother. Sure Nathan tricked him. But Peter had no real way of knowing Nathan was going to trick let alone think someone else was in the apartment.

I don't know if I would give my big brother a hug after trying to destroy the world. Because from what I gathered, that was what was going to happen if he succeeded in giving out powers.

And Claire had just warned him that he was up to something and not to be trusted.

[warriorrenegade]

Even if that brother came to you under the guise of peace and wanting to make some sort of amends? Peter was suckered not because he was stupid. But because he cares for his brother. And maybe in the belief his brother could change.

[yanky820]

this is crazy ... he should have just stayed with all of his powers now ... you would figure like when the guy was training him how he said your body remembers your powers. But now they have him like his dad having to touch other people .... so back to square one for peter ... that sucks man LOL.

[ibecj83]

Perhaps part of the *physical touch* has to do with his current state. He was drugged up and weak which could have left his powers momentarily weakened to the point he has to physically interact with others to gain their ability for the meantime. Besides that, after regaining his strength perhaps he didn't want to suck up all the powers of everyone on the plane carelessly and pull another *Bomb* situation. Which is what ended up by mistake when he gained Tracy's ability.

Think perhaps that's why touching is transferring powers. He gained Nathan's *wirelessly* again. But begs the question why he didn't copy Mohinder's power in the cab.

[superman07]

i think it's both a side effect from the formula, and maybe the writers not wanting Peter to be all powerful so they made it that he would have to touch the person instead of just being around them. Other than that i think his ability functions the same.

[Level5]

Even if that brother came to you under the guise of peace and wanting to make some sort of amends? Peter was suckered not because he was stupid. But because he cares for his brother. And maybe in the belief his brother could change.

I guess you didn't catch it. Nathan wasn't trying to say sorry to Peter. He was trying to get him go along with his plan. And when Peter says no, He gets this evil smile on his face. Then says come give your big brother a hug so I can let that guy behind you sneak of and knock you out. again come on! I was expecting something a bit more cool them him getting knocked out.

[warriorrenegade]

I guess you didn't catch it. Nathan wasn't trying to say sorry to Peter. He was trying to get him go along with his plan. And when Peter says no, He gets this evil smile on his face. Then says come give your big brother a hug so I can let that guy behind you sneak of and knock you out. again come on! I was expecting something a bit more cool them him getting knocked out.

:D I think you're right. I need to re-watch it again. Cause I just saw it a whole other way...(or maybe the way i wanted) I don't know :confused:

[yanky820]

I can understand the fact that they had to do that because in all honesty peter was becoming to powerful so they did the whole reset thing like with sylar, but they should have at least let him keep the telekinesis I think that was one of the good powers. I just hope he can keep more then one power with this now touching thing, they need to keep him with more then one because who's going to stop sylar now ... i think peter and him make the show awesome

[Level5]

I honesty don't like the fact that they keep taking away Peter's powers. I mean it's almost like taking away Clark Kent's powers. :)

[HurricaneSam2890]

I think Peter can still get powers without touching people, but I think in this situation it was the quickest way for him to connect to people. Remember when he saved Nathan at the end of Dual, he flew before he had touched Nathan. I really just think it was the only way he could get a feeling for the other 2 quickly, and wouldn't really have to think about using the powers, if he just connected with them automatically.

[Level5]

That's really good HurricaneSam2890 (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/member.php?u=47710). But that doesn't explain why he could only use one power at a time. And I don't think it was the drugs, because he seemed pretty up when he was hitting the guards.

unless I'm totally missing something here?

[HurricaneSam2890]

Haha, this is why I hate Heroes lol. Great show, but they mess with your mind so much lol. If Peter can only use one power at a time, that's going to just be aggravating. And it still seems like he was using Mohinder's super strength to hold onto the netting there. I mean seriously, the steel broke before his fingers let go. And Mohinder didn't touch him again until after.

[targis]

Peter should put nathan in one of those orange suits, drug him, fly him way up in the sky, and then he should drop him.

[Level5]

Haha, this is why I hate Heroes lol. Great show, but they mess with your mind so much lol. If Peter can only use one power at a time, that's going to just be aggravating. And it still seems like he was using Mohinder's super strength to hold onto the netting there. I mean seriously, the steel broke before his fingers let go. And Mohinder didn't touch him again until after.

lol, I think the air was getting sucked out a little too fast. I mean I don't know how strong the suction is when a hole gets punched in a compressed airplane, but that seemed a little extreme.

[j-kent]

could be secondary or evolved...but a little strange since he absorbed Nathan's flight from a distance. Either bad consistency or his powers evolved in only two months...

[BlueKryptoKalEl]

It seems more like a Rouge complex here, I really hope they don't screw with Peter, because if they keep changing the shows plots with characters its gonna screw up.

I did notice the whole, Peter, power power switch. Seems like it is a single power swap. I really don't like that change. All it seems like now is they are setting up Sylar to be an even bigger Baddie in a possible season 4!

I guess we will have to just wait until Next Monday! ... (sigh)

As for the hole in the plane, at a certain point the compression will equal out and there will be little suction, just the suction from running a tube with a hole in a wind tunnel would suck the insides out. But once they get close to the ground the suction would change and Peter should be on the floor of the plain again.

[the highlander]

It seems more like a Rouge complex here, I really hope they don't screw with Peter, because if they keep changing the shows plots with characters its gonna screw up.

I did notice the whole, Peter, power power switch. Seems like it is a single power swap. I really don't like that change. All it seems like now is they are setting up Sylar to be an even bigger Baddie in a possible season 4!

I guess we will have to just wait until Next Monday! ... (sigh)

As for the hole in the plane, at a certain point the compression will equal out and there will be little suction, just the suction from running a tube with a hole in a wind tunnel would suck the insides out. But once they get close to the ground the suction would change and Peter should be on the floor of the plain again.
No... ever heard of venturi???/

the air passing around the plane will create a super suction inside.

[doomvskal86]

NOOOOO! Last thing this show needs is another flashback episode.:rotfl:

I agree I don't want another flashback episode but I think that's inevitable. And about peter it seemed to me that he lost mohinders strength when he got Tracy's ability. It should be interesting how this is all going to play out

[Shwimmis]

haha I like how the discussion shifted to air pressure inside of planes...lol
I personally think peter can still absorb without touching, its just that the writers might have wanted to SHOW it (special effects) for anyone who didn't know he could do it!
As for multiple abilities, I think he is able to and just because the guy was punching him doesn't mean he lost super strength!

[the highlander]

I want peter to be peter and be able to use all powers at the same time... I mean... not only for being super unstoppable, but for being interesting on his choice of powers... Its a chess game.. you have all abilities when you begin.

[targis]

when Peter touched Mohinder in the plane the power could be seen transfering to Peter. I would like Peter to be able to remove peoples power if he wanted to or he could just copy it if he wanted to let them keep it.

[Crosis]

Even if he has to absorb powers by touching, what would happen if say he touched Ando, that enhances others powers, does he just get Ando's super charger powers or does it super charge is absorbtion power for the next time he uses it. And what if he touches Sylar himself now, will he GET all of sylars collected powers or just sylars ability to store powers by reading their brain?

[Level5]

No... ever heard of venturi???/

the air passing around the plane will create a super suction inside.

I actually haven't heard of the venturi effect, but I don't know if it applies to this. This is a big cargo plane it can't fly at really high attitudes and I believe people can persecute out of them, but I could be totally wrong.

[the highlander]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venturi_effect

The faster the flow.. the more vacuum it creates

[Level5]

It's sucking air out of the plane, so wouldn't that air run out? because it can't bring air in the same hole while sucking it out, can it?

[the highlander]

well.. yes... its creating vacuum. but it will not run out.. having perfect vacuum is near impossible inside the atmosphere... besides I am not sure how high they were anyways...

[Mini Wolfsbane]

lol Peter will never give someone a hug again ever
:rotfl:
If we had siggy's, that would be my new siggy.

It was a little annoying that now his power is almost exactly like Rogue's from X-Men, minus the memory/phsyche absorbtion. I almost thought they had veins coming out of
everyone's hands he touched, until I realized it was more like a physical manifestation of powers from person to person.

I'm gonna try and watch the episode again soon.
(Hopefully. I just remembered that I didn't get around to watching The Last Unicorn like I planned today. Whoops!)

Nice he's got new powers again and that they're starting from scratch. Plus he looked hot being an EMT. Hehehe.

[Level5]

well.. yes... its creating vacuum. but it will not run out.. having perfect vacuum is near impossible inside the atmosphere... besides I am not sure how high they were anyways...

I happen to think you're wrong. I think this is a good example of how Heroes just made it way too extreme: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines_Flight_243

[targis]

Is peters scar still a posibility? I watched a interview with one of the writers online once and he said that Peter's scar was inevetible no matter what story changes were made. I don't remember who the writer was though.

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Peter could still get the scar during the crash. or maybe not if claire heals him

[HumanoidCorvin]

Peter doesn't have a different power, its the same but rewired to another frequency.

[shiner421]

I dont understand why people think peter was so powerful in previous seasons. He was pretty much a perfect match for sylar in previous seasons, if he ever sees sylar now, he is dead. Not all of sylars powers were shown / explained, such as the shadow step ability they hinted at in season 1, and the fact that even before claire, he could survive gunshots and 50 foot falls onto concrete.

I am amazed at how stupid the producers / writers are, they took without a doubt most peoples favorite character (peter) and due to a few people whining made him a stupid whimp. I think chapter 4 is going to be the mass exodus of viewers. Then again, maybe my estimation of the general populations imagination is far too high. Anyone who would argue that this show is a great show doesnt know much about writing, plot developement, continuity, character developement, Ill stop here.

[Yoshua]

i think he can only have one at a time now. As soon as he took Tracy's power he started getting pumelled. Looked like he lost his strength.

[STFanatic]

Unless it was a "Super Soldier" that was pummeling him.

[loistickyfingerz]

I got the impression that Peter could only use one ability at a time, and it depended on him absorbing that ability from someone. So, the last ability he absorbed would be his only ability at any one time.

I don't like that. It's interesting if that is the case temporarily, but not permanently. It doesn't seem right if Sylar managed to get all his powers back that Peter didn't get his back.

If they are going to make him re-learn to use his ability to make all the abilities permanent then I'll buy it for now, but otherwise that is a very lame development not to mention highly disappointing.

I do like that he isn't whinny about his powers now. I like that nobody (except maybe Parkman) whined about their abilities. That's a refreshing change.

[Yoshua]

I got the impression that Peter could only use one ability at a time, and it depended on him absorbing that ability from someone. So, the last ability he absorbed would be his only ability at any one time.

I don't like that. It's interesting if that is the case temporarily, but not permanently. It doesn't seem right if Sylar managed to get all his powers back that Peter didn't get his back.

If they are going to make him re-learn to use his ability to make all the abilities permanent then I'll buy it for now, but otherwise that is a very lame development not to mention highly disappointing.

I do like that he isn't whinny about his powers now. I like that nobody (except maybe Parkman) whined about their abilities. That's a refreshing change.



My guess is this is permanant. However if Ando figures out a way to permanantly super charge someone I could see that as a viable solution for peter's lack of power.


I like that he is limited. I think Peter was too powerful. no one else was ever nessesary in his story lines. Now they have to work as a team, and this set up, this volume definately lays the platform for them to form up a real team and work together.


Nathan is screwed.

[IzzyX]

I don't think Peter's powers have changed at all. We gotta remember, they were stuck in an airplane wearing suits that block their abilities. Maybe the suits and gadgets were prohibiting Peter from randomly absorbing powers. Direct touch was the only way at the time. Perhaps Peter just knows how to use and control his ability now. No random absorbing of powers and almost blowing up cities.

[MrZeppo]

I think Peter can still get powers without touching people, but I think in this situation it was the quickest way for him to connect to people. Remember when he saved Nathan at the end of Dual, he flew before he had touched Nathan. I really just think it was the only way he could get a feeling for the other 2 quickly, and wouldn't really have to think about using the powers, if he just connected with them automatically.


Actually this pissed me off last night.

I understand resetting Peter's powers, he was very powerful, but completely changing how they work is BS to me. My roommate and a few friends I spoke to feel exactly the same way. Hurricane, you nailed it right on the head. Peter was able to get Nathan's powers without touching him, but now he needs to touch people to gain their ability?

Sorry, I think TPTB actually changed his powers in the two months because when they wrote the plane scene they realized that Peter would get to be too powerful again just by being around all those people. If that's the case, it completely insults the viewers intelligence because we knew Peter's powers were based on empathy before, now they are not?

That was what made Peter so cool, because his empathy is what made him powerful.

I think I remember from last season Mohinder saying that the formula will give powers based on each person's DNA. So if that is the case it should give Peter his old abilities back, not some wierd new one.

Sorry, I'm very annoyed by this. I'm really hoping that they explain this, like maybe in the two months that past, something happened to Peter to mutate his ability. I don't want to just have his powers suddenly change and have us suspend all disbelief and accept it.

We're not that dumb.

[homebuyer718]

Perhaps part of the *physical touch* has to do with his current state. He was drugged up and weak which could have left his powers momentarily weakened to the point he has to physically interact with others to gain their ability for the meantime. Besides that, after regaining his strength perhaps he didn't want to suck up all the powers of everyone on the plane carelessly and pull another *Bomb* situation. Which is what ended up by mistake when he gained Tracy's ability.

Think perhaps that's why touching is transferring powers. He gained Nathan's *wirelessly* again. But begs the question why he didn't copy Mohinder's power in the cab.


I agree with you completely. I think the IV did weaken Peter so he had to physically touch people to absorb their powers. You are right, he didnt have to touch Nathan to reabsorb his power of flight... Good Stuff !! I think he may have absorbed Mohinder's strength in the car. He can absorb abilities and doesn't even know he has them. Unless it is life or death where his adrenaline is pumping he wouldn't use a power he didn't know he absorbed. When he was on the plane, he absorbed Tracy's and accidentally set off her power making the gaping hole in the plane.

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Actually this pissed me off last night.

I understand resetting Peter's powers, he was very powerful, but completely changing how they work is BS to me. My roommate and a few friends I spoke to feel exactly the same way. Hurricane, you nailed it right on the head. Peter was able to get Nathan's powers without touching him, but now he needs to touch people to gain their ability?

Sorry, I think TPTB actually changed his powers in the two months because when they wrote the plane scene they realized that Peter would get to be too powerful again just by being around all those people. If that's the case, it completely insults the viewers intelligence because we knew Peter's powers were based on empathy before, now they are not?

That was what made Peter so cool, because his empathy is what made him powerful.

I think I remember from last season Mohinder saying that the formula will give powers based on each person's DNA. So if that is the case it should give Peter his old abilities back, not some wierd new one.

Sorry, I'm very annoyed by this. I'm really hoping that they explain this, like maybe in the two months that past, something happened to Peter to mutate his ability. I don't want to just have his powers suddenly change and have us suspend all disbelief and accept it.

We're not that dumb.


I am as mad as you about Peter's powers. Make no sense. When they do the 2 months ago flashback episode, they better make sense of his powers.

[Level5]

Actually, from going back and watching that part where he flew Nathan out of the burning building. It looks like he didn't actually fly until after he touched Nathan, but I could be wrong.

[homebuyer718]

Actually, from going back and watching that part where he flew Nathan out of the burning building. It looks like he didn't actually fly until after he touched Nathan, but I could be wrong.



Your right. I watched it again on NetFlix. Peter runs threw the fire and grabs Nathan and flies off. He most likely absorbed Nathans powers by touching him.

[Level5]

But I didn't want to be right. Because if I am, then that means Peter's power really has changed.

[homebuyer718]

But I didn't want to be right. Because if I am, then that means Peter's power really has changed.


Well, I still like the show, but the continuity changes are getting on my nerves. I didn't like that Peter is at square 1 but it is what it is. I just can't believe that TPTB change how powers work.

[Yoshua]

ok let me put it this way. Basically at the beginning of every volume Peter has to be reset because he is too powerful.


Either he loses abilities, he has a mind wipe and doesnt know how to use his abilities, he is locked up given a drug to suppress his abilities. It gets redundant.


Peter was too powerful. The whole point of having Heroes that overcome insurmountable odds is that they have to come together to figure it out, and solve the problem, and defeat the ultimate bad guy.


Sylar is one man. One man instead of a team of bad guys. It SHOULD take a team to take him out. Just as it should take a team to go against an army. Either they had to find a way to remove his powers altogether and get rid of him, or they had to find a viable story line to reduce them.


I am glad they reduced them. Peter Patrelli was too powerful. No one hero should be as powerful as the villain they go against in a show devoted to multiple heroes.



If this was Spiderman? Sure. But it's not. It is X-Men. X-Men kick ass because their villains can be so powerful. If Spiderman had to go up against Magneto he would have his web spinners crushed in 2 seconds and hundreds of cars from the streets of new york thrown at him.

Wouldn't be a fight that lasted long.

Sylar got the crap kicked out of him at the end of volume one. But it was just against Peter for the most part and then I have to ask. What was the point of all the other heroes there at the same time?


None, they were there to give peter powers. No thanks. Lets make Peter the Anti-Clark and instead of just relying on brute force at the last minute lets make him think and try to figure out how to beat the nemesis like he did in season 1. Well right up to the end of volume 1 anyways.

[DarkClone]

Yoshua . . . you fail.

Peter is supposed to be the opposite of Sylar . . . there is always one good and one bad, remember. At some point there will be an epic battle between Sylar and Peter when both are extremely powerful . . . in the end, there will be teamwork by the heroes, but Peter will be the leader, the most powerful

I'm sick of seeing such a pansy in Peter's character, he always gets manipulated and tricked, made to look helpless. A 3 year old learns from what happens to them, but with these writers, apparently Peter is incapable of learning anything.

It's old, boring, and not fun to watch.

[Yoshua]

Yoshua . . . you fail.

Peter is supposed to be the opposite of Sylar . . . there is always one good and one bad, remember. At some point there will be an epic battle between Sylar and Peter when both are extremely powerful . . . in the end, there will be teamwork by the heroes, but Peter will be the leader, the most powerful

I'm sick of seeing such a pansy in Peter's character, he always gets manipulated and tricked, made to look helpless. A 3 year old learns from what happens to them, but with these writers, apparently Peter is incapable of learning anything.

It's old, boring, and not fun to watch.

Darkclone. you fail.

Having an all powerful super hero defeats the purpose of having a group of super heros.

Yes Peter was supposed to be his equal, and yet he failed, miserably, continually. Why? because he didnt use his brain. The epic battle at the end of volume 1 was a failure. Why? Well if you have to ask you are twice a failure. Peter will lead regardless of his abilities.

Who would you rather have leading you. Clark Kent or Batman? Personally I'd take Batman. Least he can rub 2 brain cells together and find solutions to problems instead of blindly running in at the last second and squashing bugs.


If Peter was always meant to be all powerful then the writers never would have reset his abilities. And I am not talking about this time. I am talking about at the beginning of basically every Volume so far. The story has continually been 'how will Peter get his abilities back this time and squash the bug?'


That story sucks. and those who enjoy it fail at plot progession.

[Level5]

I hate how they keep reseting Peter's abilities it drives me crazy.

The last chapter was great up until the point he got his powers sucked out of him. I was really expecting him to have absorbed Arthur's power and had it take no affect on him.

[prairiefire]

Peter, Parkman, Hiro, and Sylar. The 4 strongest characters on the show. Notice how it's always them getting mind wiped, powers taken, stuck in time, resetted, etc. It's because they are so strong that they could stop the plot in no time, thus the writers must find ways to make them not a factor at times. Annoying indeed.

As for Peter I am not sure if his power gaining can only be done by touch or he has just learned more control. Either way there is absolutely no way that anyone can infer or speculate that he can only use one at a time thus far, as some have done.

Remember how Peter got Tracy's power? When he got rifle butted. When he was using super strength. Many people seem to forget that and are thinking that only after he got her power was he getting hit/hurt. Even Nikki got hit and hurt with her super strength. In this show, never ever has super strength been the same as invulnerability as Haitian's brother had.

[Level5]

I think it was obvious that he lost his super strength after touching Tracy. Because when he turned around and punched the guy, he then grabbed his hand like it hurt to hit him. Which it would for a normal person. I don't know if he just lost focus of the power after touching Tracy though. Because I think for him to use an ability he has to focus on it.

[LILVILLE]

yea but alot was goin opn at that time..when he touched tracy he lost his balance..when the guard hit him it cauught him off guard and then all hell broke loose..i really dont think that he has 2 touch 2 absorb the writers used that 2 show another way pete can gain powers

[Level5]

That my be true, but it doesn't make since why the writers would do that. If Peter could still absorb powers by just being around other people with powers. Then he would of already had Mohinder's power. Peter has never been able to control whose power he absorb before. And to add that in without letting the viewers know is a plot hole.

I know you all think I'm just expecting too much, but I do expect more, the first season was awesome. I need to go back and watch it again, but I don't think there was a single plot hole in it. They set the bar really high for this show in the first season. And at this point, I don't think they're cutting it. And the ratings obviously show that.

Don't get me wrong though, I'd watch this show even if bombs were falling outside. I just think they need to get back on track and stop throwing plot holes at the viewers.

I could just be totally wrong about all of this. And I guess we'll see in about 6 days.

[HurricaneSam2890]

Level5, sadly, I think you're right. I watched it again too, and he only flew when he'd touched Nathan. The ONLY thing that I think doesn't make sense about it, was that he only got Mohinder's power when he touched Mohinder's skin, same story with Tracy. He doesn't touch Nathan's skin, which is my only hope that he still has his total power absorption ability. Because Sylar having the ability to have multiple powers, and Peter not, not only messes with the balances the series tries to provide, but along with what MrZeppo said, DNA does not change. It wouldn't make sense to have him with a different ability. Also too, when his hand hurt, he did punch the guy in the helmet, he's got superstrength, not invincibity.

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And also too, remember how he had to kind of think about how the person made him feel when he would try to use their powers. What better way to remove the grogginess and remind him of his ability to feel what Mohinder works like than to touch him.

[Level5]

Right, his DNA shouldn't have changed, thus he would have the same ability.

You might be right, but I think Mohinder's ability is more then just super strength. Because remember Mohinder was able to take quiet a bit before he went down. And Peter seemed to have no trouble before he had touched Tracy.

You mean by touching Mohinder it made him able to get in touch with his power faster?

[Level5]

OK, I'm reading Beeman's Blog and found this:

"Tim was looking to re-direct the show in several ways with this new story arc. First, the goal was to re-set our HEROES in a way that is more human and earthbound. He sets the episode 6 weeks into the future since the last time we saw them. Each of them has returned to a version of their "normal" life - even though we may not know how they got there. This mystery is part of the fun. Tim also wanted to separate them from each other. He wanted to diminish their powers, especially as regards our two most powerful characters Hiro and Peter. And he then wanted to rip them away from their newfound normalcy and put them into continuous jeopardy by having them pursued and hunted by a new threat which uses tactics that are more aggressive and less forgiving than those imposed by the former “Company.”"

Diminish their Power? No! don't do that, bad go back now, please! Please tell me I'm dreaming all of this!?!? :(

[targis]

Peter's power's have been diminished for what seems like forever to me already.

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why do they have to continue to mess with him?

[Level5]

Yeah, but that has always been wiping his memory or something. This is really taking away his ability to have more then one power.

I pray I'm wrong, but I don't know after what I've seen so far.

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Peter's power's have been diminished for what seems like forever to me already.

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why do they have to continue to mess with him?


Exactly! why do they have to change everything? I liked it the way it was. the whole last chapter was a little boring to me after Peter lost all of his power. I mean come on, the opening scene of the show stated with him. He is the most powerful of them all. How can they change that?

[targis]

I think peter absorbed flight before he touched Nathan and he didn't want to fly until after he grabed hold of Nathan so he could make sure that he rescued Nathan from the building.

[Level5]

You could be right, but from what we've seen so far. It looks more like he has to actually touch someone with powers to get them.

But in all the episodes of Heroes I've seen, I've never seen the whole touch thing from Peter. So maybe we just missed something in the last few months and he actually has a power that lets him figure out how the other persons power works. Kinda like how Sylar has to eat their brain. But that doesn't really make sense, since, he learned how to call out the powers he picks up, in season one.

[targis]

having to touch people to get their power would let him choose which powers he wants instead of just absorbing them automaticly. As long as he is still able to retain multiple powers the change would be ok with me.

[Level5]

I might be ok with that. But what makes him so powerful, is the fact that he can match anybody with an ability, by just adsorbing it. And for me, that's what makes him the coolest of all the Heroes.

[BYtheSEA]

I'm so glad I found this thread. The other message board I visit has very few Peter fans.

My first impression was that he didn't keep the ability. How else did the soldier get the best of him? On the other hand, maybe there is a time where he has to adjust to a new power and that makes him briefly vulnerable.

Here are my thoughts on Peter's ability:

I've read a lot of complaints elsewhere about Peter being too powerful and making the others unnecessary. I figure that is why they changed his power, which is unfortunate. I never saw him as too powerful. Sure he had a lot of powers, but how I saw it was that his basic empathic power kept him from being the all-powerful, god-like person he could become. For me, it was his basic nature, the empathy, that would keep him grounded and always reaching out to help or include others. Heck, that was how he picked up other's powers, right? The emotional part of him reaching out and understanding what the others were going through and manifesting their power. Now that seems gone.

The complaints about Peter making the others unnecessary are unwarranted, in my opinion. If Peter's power is changed to the point of him being powerless UNLESS he touches someone else, that now makes it look like Peter is unnecessary. And I would not be happy about that. :mad:

I'm in wait-and-see mode right now. Let's see what happens next episode to find out for sure what his ability is now. :)

[HurricaneSam2890]

Haha, Level5, it's sucky isn't it haha? If you're going to diminish Peter, than you have to diminish Sylar. It woulda been perfect if they would have just made Peter start to gather powers up again. This way he can pick and choose better. And my only theory with the touch thing, is that it's more personal than just being around someone. Peter waving to somebody and taking their powers, and then touching them and getting their powers, are two different things. One is just kinda in passing, he doesn't always know he has them, and the other is more directly invovled, and he directly knows he has them.

[Level5]

I agree with you BYtheSEA, I don't get why people think Peter's too powerful. The why I see it, and I think they've said this in the show before too. Is that Peter is supposed to be the most powerful of them all. He was the only guy who could save the world in the last volume, but they pretty much killed the whole awesomeness of that, after taking away his abilities.

And Claire taking down Sylar in the last episode of the last volume was dumb. How can anyone sneak up on Sylar? I mean Syler can feel peoples presence, or at least he could. They really lost me in the last volume. It also makes it so pretty much anyone can stop Syler. I mean if a little teenage girl can do it, then anyone pretty much can. And again that takes away from the awesomeness of this show.

And it's good to know I'm not the only Peter fan out there, BYtheSEA. :)


Haha, Level5, it's sucky isn't it haha? If you're going to diminish Peter, than you have to diminish Sylar. It woulda been perfect if they would have just made Peter start to gather powers up again. This way he can pick and choose better. And my only theory with the touch thing, is that it's more personal than just being around someone. Peter waving to somebody and taking their powers, and then touching them and getting their powers, are two different things. One is just kinda in passing, he doesn't always know he has them, and the other is more directly invovled, and he directly knows he has them.

Yeah, it sucks. The thing about the whole touch thing is, is that I've never seen it before. He's always only been able to absorb their powers before by being near them, never by touching them. They've either got me really confused or I'm right, and his power has changed.

[Vasser]

Perhaps part of the *physical touch* has to do with his current state. He was drugged up and weak which could have left his powers momentarily weakened to the point he has to physically interact with others to gain their ability for the meantime. Besides that, after regaining his strength perhaps he didn't want to suck up all the powers of everyone on the plane carelessly and pull another *Bomb* situation. Which is what ended up by mistake when he gained Tracy's ability.

Think perhaps that's why touching is transferring powers. He gained Nathan's *wirelessly* again. But begs the question why he didn't copy Mohinder's power in the cab.

I agree 100% with your post. If anybody remembers the last
Episode in fugitives when Peter injected himself he was able to
Absorb Nathans power without touching him.

[Level5]

I've said this before. He didn't actually fly until after grabbing Nathan. So he could of gotten his power by touch.

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Whoever runs this agrees with me: http://heroeswiki.com/Peter%27s_ability

[LILVILLE]

level five i wish u were wrong about pete flying b4 he touched nathan..he also next 2 flint and i havent seen him use the blue flame...mayb he does but doesnt know it...i really beleve touched mohnder cause he knew all the heroes powers were weakend by the suit so the best way 4 him 2 get it was by touch..when he touched tracys hand on accident he was in the middle of a tussle he dint hav control and thats why the guard got 2 him

[Level5]

If you read that wiki page it pretty much totally agrees with everything I've been saying. I hate that it does though, I went there looking for something to tell me I'm wrong.

[LILVILLE]

just read the wiki..2 me it seems they r speculating unless they have inside knowledge that we dont have

[Level5]

Well, right now we all are speculating, but from what I've seen. I'm leaning more towards this being true. I really hope it's not though. They can't do this to Peter.

[STFanatic]

I think the "touch to get the power" is really better than just being around someone.

Imagine if Peter passed by someone with a really freaky power like they have horns that shoot skunk juice or something.
This way he can avoid powers that he wouldn't want like for instance, "Ted the exploding man", if from the first he could only get powers via touching, he would never exploded.

[Level5]

I thought he had to actually get on some emotional level with the person he's absorbing the power from before he could actually absorb it. Like when he took Ted's power, he looked at him for a little while and then seemed to absorb his power.

like the definition to the word empathy is: understanding and entering into another's feelings.

Can he do that by just passing by them?

[targis]

I guess he could level 5. Both Peter and Sylar have the empathy power. I guess Sylar was born with 2 powers intuitive aptitude and empathic mimicry. But Sylar didn't know about the empathic one for a long time so I think this will allow the writers to just give people new powers whenever they want to. Like they can say that Nathan all the sudden has mimicry also. the possibilites are endless on adding powers to characters.

[STFanatic]

I thought he had to actually get on some emotional level with the person he's absorbing the power from before he could actually absorb it. Like when he took Ted's power, he looked at him for a little while and then seemed to absorb his power.

like the definition to the word empathy is: understanding and entering into another's feelings.

Can he do that by just passing by them?

He did with Ted (Radioactive Man), he didn't get emotionally attached with him before getting his power.

Nor was he thinking of Hiro when he went to the future to see the devastated New York.

[Level5]

I guess he could level 5. Both Peter and Sylar have the empathy power. I guess Sylar was born with 2 powers intuitive aptitude and empathic mimicry. But Sylar didn't know about the empathic one for a long time so I think this will allow the writers to just give people new powers whenever they want to. Like they can say that Nathan all the sudden has mimicry also. the possibilites are endless on adding powers to characters.

Well that says it right there. Remember for Sylar to absorb Elle's power he had to connect with her emotionally. But then that begs the question. How can Peter walk into a room and pick up everyones power? Because I just don't know, this show doesn't have enough consistency. It's always flip flopping around, making it almost impossible to follow.


He did with Ted (Radioactive Man), he didn't get emotionally attached with him before getting his power.

Nor was he thinking of Hiro when he went to the future to see the devastated New York.

You may be right about Ted, I don't know, but I know you're right about Hiro. When Hiro stopped time when Peter was on the train he probably wasn't even thinking about Hiro. So how could he possibly of absorbed Hiro's Power. Unless he had meant Hiro before?

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OK, doing a little reading about this and, I think, I understand it. He gets the power instantly, but can't use it unless he thinks about the person or the original source of the power. As stated here: http://heroeswiki.com/Empathic_mimicry

So that means when he met Ted, he would of only needed to think of him to use his power, Right?

[Jun]

Lets look at the facts, sad as they are. :(

1. As someone already said, re-watching the part when peter injects himself, the writers covered their base, he is DEFINITELY NOT flying before he touches Nathan, I have the ep in HD and just watched the part 3 times, he basically tackles Nathan, still on ground, in fact it doesn't show him flying at all while they are still in the building, only after it switches to the outside shot.

2. After Claire removes his constraints on the plane, he notices Suresh next to him, and makes a conscious effort to touch him, so I would say obviously he knows his power has changed, why touch him otherwise.

3. We can over analyze the part where he falls into Tracy, but I think the facts are there, he touches her, you see the power transfer and he reacts to pain after decking the guard, IMHO these two things taken together mean he lost the super strength power.

I understand making Peter less powerful, however him losing the ability multiple powers is a HUGE nerf, changing his ability to touch based rather than proximity would have been MORE than enough, that would mean powers would almost have to be "given" to him rather than "taken", that would put him kinda in line with Sylar also, since his powers are "touch based" in a sense ;)

Lots of questions on Peters ability, hope they don't drag out the answers.

[Level5]

I don't see why they had to make him less powerful at all. I also don't like it, they shouldn't be messing with his character like that if you ask me.

I guess all we can hope for now is that his ability somehow gets stronger. Until it's back to the way it was before the 3rd volume happened. Probably not going to happen though. :(

[GoldenD]

i noticed that you didn't see the others use their powers after peter touched them. What if he has some weird power swapping thing now?
He touches Nathan, Nathan has no power, Peter can fly.
Peter touches mohinder, gets super strength loses flight, mohinder can now fly (that's how they escape falling out of the plane)
Tracey gets super strength and peter can freeze.

just speculation but its like musical chairs with powers. seems like the kind of twist the crummy season three writers would go for

[HurricaneSam2890]

Hey, I just thought of something. If Sylar can empathically take powers, if Peter touches Sylar... wouldn't he get his empathic mimicry back?? And then we wouldn't have to debate anymore haha.

[Level5]

I guess that might work if he touched Sylar and took it from him, but how is he going to even get close to Sylar now? I mean, he might as well be powerless if all he can have is one power at a time.

[kp1984]

I guess he could always touch Hiro go back to when he could absrobed powers from a distance. He could touch himself and get his orignal powers back. Oh forgot Hiro don't have his powers no more. I guess he would have to touch speed girl and get Ando to charge his powers so he could time travel

[prairiefire]

Again. Super strength does NOT make you invulnerable. Many of you on this page seem to think that Peter got hit/hurt after touching Tracy. The guard hit him with the rifle. That knocked him down. He then touched Tracy. Now maybe he then couldn't use super strength then. I don't know, neither do you.

However. Nikki had super strength and could still get hit and hurt. The Haitian's brother has invulnerability and not super strength. Why pray tell do you assume that Super Strength gives invulnerability as well when Nikki and Suresh never displayed it once?

[Level5]

If you read Heroes wiki you'll see that Mohinder's power isn't just super strength. It's more like strength, senses, flexibility, and stamina. I assume his increased stamina makes him stronger. Like when the black op guys, or whatever you call them, tried to take him down. It took serval tasers just to the ground.

You may be right though, but the way he was holding his hand in pain after punching one of them. That kinda says that he lost Mohinder's power.

[prairiefire]

Well then that info on Heroeswiki is incorrect. Thus far we have only seen Mohinder display super strength. We have seen him with those other side abilities but that was when he was bug/lizard man due to his imperfect formula. After he was exposed to the perfect formula, all the other side affects disappeard and we have only seen MO' with super strength. And untill we see him display anything else, then we are to assume that he only has super strength now, no matter what heroeswiki says.

When they got Mo' they nailed him with a taser on the shoulder and he ran away to HRG, who then took him out with one taser shot. More durable than normal perhaps, but not by much.

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Also when Peter took his ability, we did not see Peter display anything other than super strength. And Mo' got hurt with his ability, as did Pete before acquiring Tracy's.

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Exposure to a version of the formula enhanced with the catalyst caused his lesions to disappear, but Mohinder retained some other aspects from the ability. His strength remained enhanced enough for him to easily rip a taxi door off it's hinges, hit another person with it, then hold it up as a shield to block tasers being fired at him. Whether or not he has retained the other aspects of his ability remains unclear. (A Clear and Present Danger)

Taken from heroeswiki. SO he may have retained the other side abilities, but as it stated we haven't seen it in either Mo' or Pete when he borrowed Mo's ability.

[Level5]

Well, nobody really knows what abilities Mohinder has right now, but it would seem that he still has super strength and increased stamina. The stamina would probably come with the super strength, though.

I'm looking forward to Monday so we can finally figure all of this out. :)