Chloe regressing Clark, again.

[unfocused]

I made a recent post about Chloe's opinion of Clark and Lana and their relationship, but I have thought about it a little more and I now have something else to say about it.

Clark regretted the kiss in Bulletproof, and he finally saw the light. That Lana held him back, and when she left he left the barn, became pro-active in the fight for justice, and moved on.

But Chloe doesn't think so. She urged him to let himself feel the way he wanted to the week before he saw the truth about Lana holding him back. And now, we have another ending with a Clana kiss, although a beautifully shot Clana kiss I might add. It wasn't so long ago when Chloe was being cheered on for her having Lois' back and telling Clark not to hurt her. But now she is cheering Clana on herself. How sad and typical of Chloe to regress Clark this way.

Thanks, Chloe.

What's worse is that Chloe is still hanging around, giving people advice on love issues yet... Lois is the one taking care of her man. Geez, Lois needs to come back and fix all this mess.

[xrayvision]

Agree 100%. There is no damn consistency on this show. Especially when it comes to Lana and all things Lana.

[thehenry89]

couldnt agree more. this is yet another reason that this episode is just like promise. Martha Kent urging her son to run off with an engaged woman...uhg

[BadToad]

I can't hold anything against Chloe this week. The writing for her was terrible. The same way they used her in Promise, they did the same thing here. It didn't even feel like Chloe talking.

And what is with the complete non-mention of why she was in SV, what was going on with Jimmy, and why she left him with Lois again? That stuff just makes Chloe look bad.

[Diego*Chloe]

Yeeep if play station 3 are going to destroy Chloe.....again maybe she should stay with Lois and Jimmy O_o till.....well i dont know xD

[Khyla]

Agree 100%. There is no damn consistency on this show. Especially when it comes to Lana and all things Lana.

BINGO!



I can't hold anything against Chloe this week. The writing for her was terrible. The same way they used her in Promise, they did the same thing here. It didn't even feel like Chloe talking.
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I totally agree.

[lillie_poo_pod]

Oh please. Clark has a brain of his freaking own. She didn't hold a kryptonite bullet gun to his head and say "KISS LANA!" If he regressed, it's because of his choice. Not Chloe.

[unfocused]

She should at least call Lois to ask how Jimmy is doing :( Before or after regressing Clark, makes no matter to me.

[AndiGirl]

Chloe hasnt done anything.
She cant force Clark to see things her way. She voiced how she felt about the matter...and this time around she had anothers friends feelings on the line.

If anything clark has regressed....Chloe is now and will always be the mediator. Trying to make clark see there's always two sides to a story.

[unfocused]

Lol, I wonder if Chloe is going to feel "there are always two sides to a story" once she finds out Clark memory wiped her :lol:

Anyway, Clark confided in Chloe and welcomed her opinion. Even though she had a very unpopular opinion. A friend shouldn't be putting those things in someones head. Chloe should have just told him to move on from Lana. Instead she told him to go after her, that Lana wasn't a mistake all those years.

Chloe was wrong, and we're all going to see that very soon.

[Clana4Life]

I think Chloe is entitled to her opinion. I agree with you in that she jumped ships this week. Heck, Clark jumped ships a bit too, but he got back on track fast. In the end, Clark did what he wanted to. Chloe didn't make him. People can give you all of the advice in the world, but each person is responsible for his/her own actions. Maybe Chloe jumped on the Clana bandwagon because she knew deep down that her cousin was going to be hurt and that Clana is inevitable.

[AndiGirl]

Lol, I wonder if Chloe is going to feel "there are always two sides to a story" once she finds out Clark memory wiped her :lol:

Anyway, Clark confided in Chloe and welcomed her opinion. Even though she had a very unpopular opinion. A friend shouldn't be putting those things in someones head. Chloe should have just told him to move on from Lana. Instead she told him to go after her, that Lana wasn't a mistake all those years.

Chloe was wrong, and we're all going to see that very soon.

Hmm....true! :lol:
I still dont understand why she would be a better friend if she told Clark to move on from Lana?? She told him how she felt...and he obviously didnt care. If she kept drilling it into his head, he would stop talking to her about it all together.

Plus, Chloe has no idea if Clana could work this time or not (obviouslt WE know it wont) but say that she would be a better friend for telling him one way over another makes no sense. She just wants him happy...and he's a big boy now, time to put on his big boy pants and figure it out for himself. :lol:

[SGuthrie27]

I really think that Chloe is, as AndiGirl so accurately put it, the mediator of the show, always helping people to sort out their true feelings. I DO think the writers made her seem pretty ridiculously inconsistent, going from a Clois shipper to a Clana shipper (seemingly) in the span of 2 episodes, when I really don't think she needs to be EITHER shipper at this time. But I think Chloe was perfectly in her rights to say what she did. Clark does bottle his emotions a lot, and second guesses himself constantly. I don't think Chloe had anything to do with making him regress -- she just challenged him (as she always does) to THINK about what he THINKS and how he FEELS, to investigate all sides of an issue, and THEN make an informed decision. So, regardless of the way the writers portrayed her tonight, way to go, Chloe.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[paolinki25]

That was another big, WTF? moment for me too. An episode ago, we had Chloe telling Clark to be careful about Lois's feelings and now she's cheering for Clana?


I've come to the conclusion this episode was written while passing the bong in the writer's room.

[Brizzle]

Clark is pathetic. Why can't you guys see that no one is HOLDING him back but HIMSELF.

[unfocused]

That was another big, WTF? moment for me too. An episode ago, we had Chloe telling Clark to be careful about Lois's feelings and now she's cheering for Clana?


I've come to the conclusion this episode was written while passing the bong in the writer's room.

Lol.

Clark was well on his way over Clana until Chloe came and gave him "her opinion." What should Chloe have done? Kept her unpopular opinion to herself and just let Clark do what he was going to do, leave Lana behind, and she should have supported him. That would have been the right thing to do.

By the way, any word on Jimmy? Oh wait, Chloe wouldn't know...

[Becc]

This is laughable- are you trying to say that Clark Kent is so weak willed that no one can give their opinion or play devil's advocate for fear that he'll change his mind. If so why don't we just cut off Clark from any and all interaction :D

[miks]

It's sad that people can't blame Clark for his own damn actions. Chloe did nothing wrong. She knows her best friend better than he knows himself sometimes. She was acting on how he was feeling. You could see it in his eyes that he didn't regret that kiss. He was looking for some sort of reason to prove him wrong and Chloe provided it for him. There is no inconsistency here; last week Chloe was looking out for her cousin. Clark told her that you can't just fall out of love with someone. She knew he was right. The best thing is to not ignore your feelings but to confront them. And that's what Chloe said he should do. But in the end, Clark made his decision. Nothing to do with Chloe. Chloe told him he grew up, not because of Lana but because he finally realized it was time to grow up. I'm sure in the next episode we'll still see Clark fighting evil and whatnot. But let me see what people can blame Chloe for this time! Or maybe she'll say something about Lois again and people will love her for that week!:rolleyes:

[Storm45]

I think Clark can make his decisions by himself.

Just like I think that if Lois wanted to return in Metropolis and Smallville she would. Chloe is not forcing her at gun point to stay with Jimmy.

[Becc]

It's sad that people can't blame Clark for his own damn actions. Chloe did nothing wrong. She knows her best friend better than he knows himself sometimes. She was acting on how he was feeling. You could see it in his eyes that he didn't regret that kiss. He was looking for some sort of reason to prove him wrong and Chloe provided it for him. There is no inconsistency here; last week Chloe was looking out for her cousin. Clark told her that you can't just fall out of love with someone. She knew he was right. The best thing is to not ignore your feelings but to confront them. And that's what Chloe said he should do. But in the end, Clark made his decision. Nothing to do with Chloe. Chloe told him he grew up, not because of Lana but because he finally realized it was time to grow up. I'm sure in the next episode we'll still see Clark fighting evil and whatnot. But let me see what people can blame Chloe for this time! Or maybe she'll say something about Lois again and people will love her for that week!:rolleyes:
I know talk about your double standard, if this wasn't about my fav character I'd have fallen off my ass laughing :eek:

[miks]

I am laughing! Well maybe not. But this is the 5th thread tonight about how it's all Chloe's fault or Chloe shouldn't have pimped Clana. Neither week has she pimped Clois or Clana. She told Clark to do what he felt was right. And apparently feeling Lana and not even remembering who Lois is is right to him. Chloe is providing two sides of the coin this week and she was warning him not to hurt her cousin last week. Plain and simple.

[pizzahead2490]

i was confused by chole as well :\ but above all i hated clark... well hate is a strong word more like i was beyond dissapointed. i am done :( ...... i cant say a thing because i am sooo sad

[unfocused]

I'm sure Jimmy is to. His own wife doesn't care that he's dying :(

[Becc]

I am laughing! Well maybe not. But this is the 5th thread tonight about how it's all Chloe's fault or Chloe shouldn't have pimped Clana. Neither week has she pimped Clois or Clana. She told Clark to do what he felt was right. And apparently feeling Lana and not even remembering who Lois is is right to him. Chloe is providing two sides of the coin this week and she was warning him not to hurt her cousin last week. Plain and simple.
I know- Chloe must have some super krypto-freak powers to be able to just give her opinion which then controls the other person's actions :D

[unfocused]

Yeah because friends should never take eachothers advice or influence them :rolleyes:

[Becc]

I'm sure Jimmy is to. His own wife doesn't care that he's dying :(
Well how can anyone talk about Jimmy's progress, it would have taken away from Lana's storyline- like everything else interesting that happens on this show it would have been spoken about offscreensville.

[miks]

I'm thinking her power has evolved into mind control! Controlling such a strong kryptonian like that takes mucho power! You go Chloe! Now control PS3 and make them give you your DP job back! :lol:

[NaYa]

It's sad that people can't blame Clark for his own damn actions. Chloe did nothing wrong. She knows her best friend better than he knows himself sometimes. She was acting on how he was feeling. You could see it in his eyes that he didn't regret that kiss. He was looking for some sort of reason to prove him wrong and Chloe provided it for him. There is no inconsistency here; last week Chloe was looking out for her cousin. Clark told her that you can't just fall out of love with someone. She knew he was right. The best thing is to not ignore your feelings but to confront them. And that's what Chloe said he should do. But in the end, Clark made his decision. Nothing to do with Chloe. Chloe told him he grew up, not because of Lana but because he finally realized it was time to grow up. I'm sure in the next episode we'll still see Clark fighting evil and whatnot. But let me see what people can blame Chloe for this time! Or maybe she'll say something about Lois again and people will love her for that week!:rolleyes:

Agreed!

And the only person regressing Clark, is himself. Don't blame Chloe for his immaturity.

[Becc]

Yeah because friends should never take eachothers advice or influence them :rolleyes:
Oh please there is a major difference between taking on board what someone has said to give it greater thought later, to immediately doing a complete 180 :rotfl:

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I'm thinking her power has evolved into mind control! Controlling such a strong kryptonian like that takes mucho power! You go Chloe! Now control PS3 and make them give you your DP job back! :lol:
ITA

[unfocused]

I don't, I blame her for her own immaturity.

RIP Jimmy :(

[miks]

That would totally be sweet if Jimmy died!

Who knows why Chloe isn't there? Oh yeah that's right, the writers! They refuse to divulge that information to us, until they do, it's not fair to say Chloe is being horrible because she's not there with him.

[unfocused]

Oh please there is a major difference between taking on board what someone has said to give it greater thought later, to immediately doing a complete 180 :rotfl:

Ehh, it wasn't immediate. The bulk of the episode came between Chloe's dumb opinion and the kiss. At the end, Lana helped Clark back into the Clana, while Chloe put it in his head.

[NaYa]

I don't, I blame her for her own immaturity.

RIP Jimmy :(

Chloe immature? Please, she is the most solid, mature character in Smallville!

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Ehh, it wasn't immediate. The bulk of the episode came between Chloe's dumb opinion and the kiss. At the end, Lana helped Clark back into the Clana, while Chloe put it in his head.

Whatever, get over it Cloiser :rolleyes: I hope you don't miss next weeks episode there will be a lot of Clana LOVIN for ya :rotfl:

[Becc]

I don't, I blame her for her own immaturity.

RIP Jimmy :(
You're clearly looking for any excuse to discredit Chloe. Um and I hate ti tell you this but Jimmy isn't going to die. Look from a personal account my grandfather died just over a year ago and before that he was diagnosed with cancer (it was terminal nothing could be done) and there were times when he went into hospital and we all visited him in fact when he was staying with my family and he had to be admitted I visited everyday, but we didn't stay there all day long.

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Ehh, it wasn't immediate. The bulk of the episode came between Chloe's dumb opinion and the kiss. At the end, Lana helped Clark back into the Clana, while Chloe put it in his head.
The idea has always been in his head, for god's sake he kissed her an episode ago, I'm sorry but no one's opinion could make me get back together with an ex if I didn;t want to.

[AndiGirl]

Ehh, it wasn't immediate. The bulk of the episode came between Chloe's dumb opinion and the kiss. At the end, Lana helped Clark back into the Clana, while Chloe put it in his head.

Wow....you give Chloe quite the ample amount of power! :lol:
She didnt say anything Clark wasnt already thinking. The truth of the matter is....Clark would have found out the tape was a fake any way, and that's what made him change his mind. Not Chloe.

I honestly dont understand how one moment everyone says Chloe is too intrusive...and needs to back off and let Clark live his own life. Then the next they say she didnt say enough??

I think people just want her to say what they want to hear....and thats about it. :lol:

[unfocused]

You're clearly looking for any excuse to defend Chloe.

Truth is, if Chloe was any bit the deserving woman people make her out to be, she'd be by Jimmy's side most of the day, every day. Instead, we see her running around Metropolis, happy as a button, not so much as even thinking about Jimmy, let alone talking about him. She seems oddly happy, considering her new husband is in a coma.

I just posted this in another thread, but since you mentioned a real life situation, let me mention mine. My brothers father-in-law had a stroke a week ago, and now he has pneumonia and will likely die. My brothers wife is with him EVERY day, ALL day. And when she can't be with him, my brother is with him. He is never alone, and the people that love him are making sure he will not die alone.

And trust me, neither my brother or his wife are out and about town, chipper and happy and neglecting the horrible fact that a good man, her father, is dying.

[RowdyEl]

heres the thing that cracks me up...when Lana does something that Chloe fans may not like in her written script they are all over her very quickly...but when its Chloes Character they support her and say its bad writing! I love the show and I know that it has to be tough for writers to add stories to keep the show ongoing so I give them a pass....I want this show to continue going strong and I look forward to each episode like I am going to open a gift...I say just roll with the flow and enjoy it while we still can.lets hope they can keep it going for another 2 seasons!

[unfocused]

That's so very true. I think people have just gotten used to Chloe being a mary sue that when she does something dumb, it can't possibly be her fault.

[AndiGirl]

You're clearly looking for any excuse to defend Chloe.

Truth is, if Chloe was any bit the deserving woman people make her out to be, she'd be by Jimmy's side most of the day, every day. Instead, we see her running around Metropolis, happy as a button, not so much as even thinking about Jimmy, let alone talking about him. She seems oddly happy, considering her new husband is in a coma.

I just posted this in another thread, but since you mentioned a real life situation, let me mention mine. My brothers father-in-law had a stroke a week ago, and now he has pneumonia and will likely die. My brothers wife is with him EVERY day, ALL day. And when she can't be with him, my brother is with him. He is never alone, and the people that love him are making sure he will not die alone.

And trust me, neither my brother or his wife are out and about town, chipper and happy and neglecting the horrible fact that a good man, her father, is dying.


I'm very sorry to hear about your brother in laws father. :(
I dont know if this post was meant for me....but if it is, I can see what you mean.

I would defend Chloe to the hilt, but I think if you look at some of my other posts...I tend to try and see reason when I can. I never say Chloe is perfect...far from it actually, and I can recognize her faults. But I honestly feel the fact that she isnt with Jimmy is just bad writing.

I mean, as soon as she wasnt brainiac...we see her packing cookies and on her way out there. Then through the entire episode we get no reasoning or excuse for her being home. It just didnt add up.

I just hate to see people being overly critical of my favorite character, I can admitt that. Just like people on here are fast to defend her....others are fast to throw her under the bus. :(

[Becc]

You're clearly looking for any excuse to defend Chloe.

Truth is, if Chloe was any bit the deserving woman people make her out to be, she'd be by Jimmy's side most of the day, every day. Instead, we see her running around Metropolis, happy as a button, not so much as even thinking about Jimmy, let alone talking about him. She seems oddly happy, considering her new husband is in a coma.

I just posted this in another thread, but since you mentioned a real life situation, let me mention mine. My brothers father-in-law had a stroke a week ago, and now he has pneumonia and will likely die. My brothers wife is with him EVERY day, ALL day. And when she can't be with him, my brother is with him. He is never alone, and the people that love him are making sure he will not die alone.

And trust me, neither my brother or his wife are out and about town, chipper and happy and neglecting the horrible fact that a good man, her father, is dying.
First off Jimmy isn't dying, and second I'm not sure where you live but over here (in Australia) we have something known as visiting hours, where you aren't allowed to be with a person all day. The only time was when it was right at the end and only my mother and her sister were allowed to stay all night and that was only because my aunt ran the hospital where pa was (that was a different hospital than the one I was talking about earlier).

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heres the thing that cracks me up...when Lana does something that Chloe fans may not like in her written script they are all over her very quickly...but when its Chloes Character they support her and say its bad writing! I love the show and I know that it has to be tough for writers to add stories to keep the show ongoing so I give them a pass....I want this show to continue going strong and I look forward to each episode like I am going to open a gift...I say just roll with the flow and enjoy it while we still can.lets hope they can keep it going for another 2 seasons!
Actually I'm one of the first to state that Lana has been written very badly, and I never say that Lana is regressing Clark because I don't believe another person can do that Clark is solely in control of his life and the decision he makes. I have to also say that this time around I'm not minding Lana so much, an unpopular opinion around here I know.

[unfocused]

I'm very sorry to hear about your brother in laws father. :(
I dont know if this post was meant for me....but if it is, I can see what you mean.

I would defend Chloe to the hilt, but I think if you look at some of my other posts...I tend to try and see reason when I can. I never say Chloe is perfect...far from it actually, and I can recognize her faults. But I honestly feel the fact that she isnt with Jimmy is just bad writing.

I mean, as soon as she wasnt brainiac...we see her packing cookies and on her way out there. Then through the entire episode we get no reasoning or excuse for her being home. It just didnt add up.

I just hate to see people being overly critical of my favorite character, I can admitt that. Just like people on here are fast to defend her....others are fast to throw her under the bus. :(
Thanks for the condolence. And I think it's really great of you to understand why some people are disappointed in Chloe. I know it's hard taking so many hits for your favorite character. Hell, my fave is Clark and he takes the most hits, so I do understand why it's hard when people keep jumping on Chloe like this.

Truth is, I've defended Chloe to. As much as you are now. But it makes it hard when her fans are jumping on Clark like this. I have to defend Clark, and it isn't fun.

[CLanaF23]

i loved what Chloe said to clark. i think chloe knows its not just closure...she knows clark and lana still love each other. and FINALLY chloe wasnt being a blocker. its about time.

[unfocused]

First off Jimmy isn't dying, and second I'm not sure where you live but over here (in Australia) we have something known as visiting hours, where you aren't allowed to be with a person all day. The only time was when it was right at the end and only my mother and her sister were allowed to stay all night and that was only because my aunt ran the hospital where pa was (that was a different hospital than the one I was talking about earlier).

Visiting hours... that would be around the time Chloe was happily running around Metropolis.

[AndiGirl]

Thanks for the condolence. And I think it's really great of you to understand why some people are disappointed in Chloe. I know it's hard taking so many hits for your favorite character. Hell, my fave is Clark and he takes the most hits, so I do understand why it's hard when people keep jumping on Chloe like this.

Truth is, I've defended Chloe to. As much as you are now. But it makes it hard when her fans are jumping on Clark like this. I have to defend Clark, and it isn't fun.

Very true!
I havent been cutting Clark a lot of slack...but I'm willing to. ;)
I just hope everything he's going through will get him to the place where he needs to be...Superman!! :D

[WildGoatTamer]

wait, you guys rather have season 1-7 with Clark thinking, "Oh what if...." instead of Clark finally figuring out which girl he wants to be with and not floating back and forth between them? Clana kissed and Clark can't smother his feelings because there is a side of him that is human.

Chloe hasn't been pimping Clana or Clois, she's been trying to get Clark to stick with one girl until thier relationship comes to a natural ending. Since when is it a bad thing to encourage people to remain comitted?

Of course Chloe could be a bit more pushy when it comes Clois since she's been reading Superman comics for the past 70 years.

[Becc]

Thanks for the condolence. And I think it's really great of you to understand why some people are disappointed in Chloe. I know it's hard taking so many hits for your favorite character. Hell, my fave is Clark and he takes the most hits, so I do understand why it's hard when people keep jumping on Chloe like this.

Truth is, I've defended Chloe to. As much as you are now. But it makes it hard when her fans are jumping on Clark like this. I have to defend Clark, and it isn't fun.
I'm not jumping on Clark at all- I'm just saying it's his decision I don't ship clana or clois so it doesn't worry me too much either way. Though with the way clana has been written I could see this coming a mile off. People want to pigeon hole Clark into clois saying that it's mythos it must therefore happen, I believe that Smallville is an AU so anything goes. Besides the mythos has been screwed with enough that it seems ridiculous to ignore that, but then say that such and such must happen because of the mythos. I understand that you want to defend Clark but the way to do that isn't to attack another character, his choices still have to rest with him whether you agree with it or not. Also froma devil's advocate perspective can I point out that being with Lana now doesn't necessarily mean that he has regressed.

[Kalista]

i loved what Chloe said to clark. i think chloe knows its not just closure...she knows clark and lana still love each other. and FINALLY chloe wasnt being a blocker. its about time.

Chloe has NEVER interfered with Clana. She has always supported the relationship, providing sage advice for Lana and Clark.

[Becc]

Visiting hours... that would be around the time Chloe was happily running around Metropolis.
Why can't Clark be superspeeding her from Star City to Metropolis and back again? I'm just saying we don't know what's happening like a lot of the show this too is happening offscreenville.

[unfocused]

Very true!
I havent been cutting Clark a lot of slack...but I'm willing to. ;)
I just hope everything he's going through will get him to the place where he needs to be...Superman!! :D

Now there's a common ground I love to be on with you :)

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Why can't Clark be superspeeding her from Star City to Metropolis and back again? I'm just saying we don't know what's happening like a lot of the show this too is happening offscreenville.

Clark superspeeds Chloe back and forth to Star City to see Jimmy? Doubtful.

When Clark didn't mention Kara or look for her until the eighth episode of the season, I cried "offscreenville." While others jumped on Clark for not even saying her name all that time. Did you blame Clark for not so much as mentioning her name? Or did you think it all happened in offscreenville? Looking back, I still favor offscreenville, but I can also blame Clark for not even mentioning her.

Chloe still hasn't mentioned Jimmy.

[Becc]

Now there's a common ground I love to be on with you :)

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Clark superspeeds Chloe back and forth to Star City to see Jimmy? Doubtful.

When Clark didn't mention Kara or look for her until the eighth episode of the season, I cried "offscreenville." While others jumped on Clark for not even saying her name all that time. Did you blame Clark for not so much as mentioning her name? Or did you think it all happened in offscreenville? Looking back, I still favor offscreenville, but I can also blame Clark for not even mentioning her.

Chloe still hasn't mentioned Jimmy.
To me it doesn't sound right that Clark wouldn't have mentioned Kara at all or tried to help her, so to me it sounds like another case of offscreenville

[kyl-el]

I think the blame can go all around on this one. Yes, Chloe gives him all this "advice"...but Clark is the one who obviously can't think for himself.

[unfocused]

But he was thinking for himself. He was thinking the right way, to move past Lana. Until his closest advisor suggested he was wrong and should go after Lana.

Heaven forbid Clark not take Chloe's advice into consideration. Because if Chloe had told him to leave Lana behind, yet he didn't... you would all say Chloe was right and Clark was wrong. But you're saying that anyway, even though now it's Chloe that wants Clark to go after Lana :lol:

[zHeN_zHeN]

It was all Clark.

[kentfamily]

All Chloe is doing is just standing by her best friend Clark. She cannot really tell him what to do. He has to decide for himself on what he wants. Chloe merely said, not to hurt Lois because she doesnt want to see Lois hurt. She didnt say anything about sticking with Lois or else.
Does anyone have a friend who was confused about 2 people they liked?
All you can do is stand by them and NOT make critical Judgement. They wouldnt listen anyway.

I have a friend who is cheating on his spouse, and guess what? I met his spouse who is a really nice person, and then there is his girlfriend whom I also met. Another nice person.
I gave my opinion and I dont expect him to take it. All I can do is STANDBY my FRIEND and let him decide what he wants...

[kyl-el]

But he was thinking for himself. He was thinking the right way, to move past Lana. Until his closest advisor suggested he was wrong and should go after Lana.

Heaven forbid Clark not take Chloe's advice into consideration. Because if Chloe had told him to leave Lana behind, yet he didn't... you would all say Chloe was right and Clark was wrong. But you're saying that anyway, even though now it's Chloe that wants Clark to go after Lana :lol:

Its the fact of the matter that bothers me because Clark almost always needs someone's advice because if he doesn't he jumps to conclusions every time, its demeaning to his character as a whole. He should be smarter than this by now.

[Becc]

But he was thinking for himself. He was thinking the right way, to move past Lana. Until his closest advisor suggested he was wrong and should go after Lana.

Heaven forbid Clark not take Chloe's advice into consideration. Because if Chloe had told him to leave Lana behind, yet he didn't... you would all say Chloe was right and Clark was wrong. But you're saying that anyway, even though now it's Chloe that wants Clark to go after Lana :lol:
I think the issue here is that originally he was thinking your way and he simply changed his mind (which was gonna happen anyway) but as Clark the the character you always defend (you said it in an earlier post) you have to blame someone else for a decision you don't agree with. I mean Chloe's my fav character and she's made what I think are questionable decisions, but hey their her decisions and I'm not going to blame anyone else.

[unfocused]

Of course you do. You blame the writers, not Chloe. I've been seeing it from all Chloe fans all night.

[Becc]

Of course you do. You blame the writers, not Chloe. I've been seeing it from all Chloe fans all night.
I blame how all the characters are written, but I am saying that Clark make's his own decisions all the characters do, and you are doing Clark a disservice by practically portraying him as a puppet- are you sure you like Clark?

[unfocused]

Doesn't seem you know what a puppet is...

But anyway. I'm not the one blaming the writers and not the characters, You are. I can blame both if I wanted to, even Clark. But you can't blame Chloe for this obvious mistake. I mean seriously, Chloe suggests Clark to go back to Lana, that she wasn't holding him back for seven years. I'd figure even her fans would see right through her and understand how ridiculous she was being. But it's like I said already, Chloe's a mary sue that cannot possibly make a mistake right?

At least be honest with yourself and acknowledge her fault, you don't even have to admit it to me.

Hey Jimmy, wanna play cards? Oh wait you're in a coma while Chloe is having a jolly time not thinking or talking about you, of course you don't wanna play cards :(

[Becc]

Doesn't seem you know what a puppet is...

But anyway. I'm not the one blaming the writers and not the characters, You are. I can blame both if I wanted to, even Clark. But you can't blame Chloe for this obvious mistake. I mean seriously, Chloe suggests Clark to go back to Lana, that she wasn't holding him back for seven years. I'd figure even her fans would see right through her and understand how ridiculous she was being. But it's like I said already, Chloe's a mary sue that cannot possibly make a mistake right?

At least be honest with yourself and acknowledge her fault, you don't even have to admit it to me.

Hey Jimmy, wanna play cards? Oh wait you're in a coma while Chloe is having a jolly time not thinking or talking about you, of course you don't wanna play cards :(
Oh please if Chloe thinks Clark belongs with Lana fine (I don't really care who he ends up with) but that has no bearing on Clark's decisions, I'll say it again even if my best friend told me I belonged with my ex I wouldn't get back together with unless I wanted to. It's a concept called free will- do you need me to define it?

According to your reasoning Chloe is either an incredibly powerful kryptofreak who can make people do what she wants them to or Clark has no free will. Your arguments are absurd and I hope this doesn't apply to your real world outlook on things.

[unfocused]

You can insult me all you want, but you're still missing the point. Chloe can have her own opiniona, but that doesn't mean she's right. That just means she has dumb opinions.

And as I said before, if the tables were turned and Chloe told Clark to stay away from Lana but Clark didn't listen to her, people would be mad. Not surprisingly, people are mad even though he did listen to her this time :rolleyes:

Thanks for proving my point that Chloe is a mary sue that can't do anything wrong :)

[Becc]

You can insult me all you want, but you're still missing the point. Chloe can have her own opiniona, but that doesn't mean she's right. That just means she has dumb opinions.

And as I said before, if the tables were turned and Chloe told Clark to stay away from Lana but Clark didn't listen to her, people would be mad. Not surprisingly, people are mad even though he did listen to her this time :rolleyes:

Thanks for proving my point that Chloe is a mary sue that can't do anything wrong :)
She can do wrong- I'm not saying her opinion is right- I don't know yet I have to see how the relationship pans out. Personally if Chloe told Clark to stay away from Lana and he ignored well then again it's his decision. I'm not judging Chloe's opinion, I'm saying it didn't make Clark get back with Lana. And yes Chloe has made some bad choices, I personally think it was wrong for her to marry Jimmy, but hey once again her decision and it looks like they'll head for the divorce courts. It doesn't mean I don't still love her character, I do, but that's part of human nature we make our own decisions and if they are wrong there are usually consequences.

I want to reiterate again because your not comprehending what I'm saying- I don't know if Chloe's opinion on Clark's relationship is right or not I'm saying that if Clark truly didn't want to be with Lana then no one's opinion on the matter would have made a difference.

[the highlander]

You can't always tell your friends the right things.. Sometimes they have to find them out. So you need to encourage them to find them out... She did the right thing...

[Becc]

O.K. I was just watching the scene- and your position makes even less sense then it did before. Chloe wasn't advocating Clark get back with Lana, she was suggesting that maybe he didn't have all the facts and that they should talk to each other, you know have an adult conversation.

Where did she say Clark I think you land should get back together or Clark you and Lana belong together. I think we're watching 2 different shows.

[Lazy Boy]

I'm sure Jimmy is to. His own wife doesn't care that he's dying :(

Neither do most of us to be honest...

[Kalista]

Neither do most of us to be honest...

:rotfl:

[Becc]

Neither do most of us to be honest...
Isn't that the truth and the writer's don't care either because there is no mention of him, just like they don't care about Lois, she's not being talked about either.

[snarkycole]

Chloe still hasn't mentioned Jimmy.

Yes she has! One of the last scenes in Legion was of her packing her bags to go be with him. She said, "I'll feel even better once I get to Star City to see my husband. I'm gonna relieve Lois of her nursing duties[...] I'm just glad he's okay. From what I hear he was lucky to make it past that creature alive." Call me crazy, but that's Chloe mentioning Jimmy.



Hey Jimmy, wanna play cards? Oh wait you're in a coma while Chloe is having a jolly time not thinking or talking about you, of course you don't wanna play cards :(

Okay, now you're just being ridiculous. I feel like you really just want to paint Chloe as this horrible person, when there is nothing to back up what you're saying. All the scenes that she's been given in this and the last episode were not about her, therefore she was not given an opportunity to talk about Jimmy...I mean Clark or Lana aren't exactly taking the two seconds it takes to ask her how her husband's recovering as that would require them to think about people other than themselves.

And because Chloe cracked a smile in a couple scenes, suddenly that translates to her being an unfeeling biznitch who could give a damn about her injured husband? It's not like her scenes with Clark took place with him interrupting her partying it up at the Ace of Clubs...she was at Isis where she works, visiting her friend Clark at his farm, and grabbing a cup of coffee probably before or after work. For all we know she's happy because Jimmy's almost fully recovered and she's setting up his transfer back to Metropolis General. All we've heard about his condition since he's been at Star City was Chloe saying "I'm just glad he's okay", which is extremely vague. The word "coma" has never been mentioned, and he's obviously not on his deathbed. The last mention of Lois being at Jimmy's side was in aforementioned Legion scene when Chloe said she was going to relieve Lois of her "nursing duties", so it's just as possible that Lois is back in Metropolis working on a story for the Daily Planet since Chloe is no longer missing. We don't know for sure because there hasn't been any mention of it one way or the other.

Just like I didn't assume that Clark was just the biggest Jerkface in the world because the writers' never had him mention Kara when she was missing, you can't assume that Chloe is the biggest Jerkface in the world just because the writers' haven't informed us on why Chloe's not at Jimmy's side 24/7 (other than the obvious fact that she wouldn't have been around to be Clark's sounding board).

[Becc]

Has everyone missed the obvious point that with Jimmy being sick Chloe would probably have to keep working so she can pay for those pesky things called bills, not to mention Jimmy's medical expenses/

[unfocused]

Now I know what Lex was talking about when he said Chloe couldn't keep a boyfriend. I mean, look at how she treats the only boyfriend she's ever had :\

[Becc]

Now I know what Lex was talking about when he said Chloe couldn't keep a boyfriend. I mean, look at how she treats the only boyfriend she's ever had :\
Once again you don't know what's going on. Would you like it if I started ranting that Clark didn't even care about his own flesh and blood whether they were dead or alive, or how about how he never even bothers to visit his own mother. I mean how ungrateful they took him in when they could've left him alone in a field, and he doesn't even visit her. What a horrible son :rotfl:

In fact maybe I should start a thread on Clark and how he neglects everyone once they're out of sight, so then we can all bash Clark because of the poor writing.

[unfocused]

Be sure to mention how Chloe couldn't even ask her father to give her away at her wedding :)

[Becc]

Be sure to mention how Chloe couldn't even ask her father to give her away at her wedding :)
Or about how Clark's dog has vanished. My point being that I don't criticise the characters for this, it's the writing I just sit and chant offscreenville (which would probably be an interesting show). The decisions the characters make onscreen that I don't agree with I consider fair game but there is so much that has to be relegated to conjecture because of the lack of a cohesive storyline. But hey I've known this for years and I still continue to watch.

[unfocused]

Allison directed the episode, she could have added one short line in there about Jimmy. You can blame the writers all you want about it, but ultimately, Allison had ever right and opportunity to add a line about Jimmy. But she didn't. So it isn't only the writers' fault, she's as much to blame as they are.

[Becc]

Allison directed the episode, she could have added one short line in there about Jimmy. You can blame the writers all you want about it, but ultimately, Allison had ever right and opportunity to add a line about Jimmy. But she didn't. So it isn't only the writers' fault, she's as much to blame as they are.
Now your blaming the actress. The director can't add lines without the writer and producer's approval anyway. Besides I'm sure she had more on her mind for this ep than the direction her character was headed to.

[unfocused]

I'm blaming the director, along with the writers. And yes, directors have a little leeway in the script, as do actors. But directors are the boss, the only people they can't boss around are the leads. If Allison did want to add a short line, she could have. If she wanted a scene in Star City, she probably could have had that to, being the lead actress AND director.

[Becc]

I'm blaming the director, along with the writers. And yes, directors have a little leeway in the script, as do actors. But directors are the boss, the only people they can't boss around are the leads. If Allison did want to add a short line, she could have. If she wanted a scene in Star City, she probably could have had that to, being the lead actress AND director.
No she couldn't. The director is only responsible for how the show is played out, meaning the look of the particular ep, the direction the acting goes in, keeping to a certain time etc. The director can't just add in new scenes, dialogue could be slightly changed or cleaned up if it was necessary, but you can't just add in something about Jimmy out of left field in an ep specifically designed about Lana.

[unfocused]

Allison could have added a few words, one of which should have been "Jimmy."

But she didn't.

[Becc]

Allison could have added a few words, one of which should have been "Jimmy."

But she didn't.
O.K. so you've gone from blaming the character to the actor- do you know how ridiculous you sound and do you know anything about directing at all, because I do, and unfortunately Jimmy's condition had nothing to do with the ep. And unless I'm mistaken the episode didn't run under time so there would have been no place to have such a conversation anyway.

[unfocused]

So, it's alright to blame the writers, but not the director? Well, not when the director plays your favorite character huh? :rolleyes:

Wow, you're all kinds of bias. This is what sucks about trying to have an intelligent conversation with someone so biased. They're blinded by their infatuation with a character that they just refuse to see any wrong in them, from any angle.

The best part about watching bias people have a discussion is how hypocritical they can be. You can blame a director, writer, or actor for any episode you hate, but when your favorite person is in question, you throw the blinders over your eyes.

Anyway, Allison has a long way to go if she wants to become a good director. A good director imposes their will onto an episode. Allison couldn't even impose one line...

[Becc]

So, it's alright to blame the writers, but not the director? Well, not when the director plays your favorite character huh? :rolleyes:

Wow, you're all kinds of bias. This is what sucks about trying to have an intelligent conversation with someone so biased. They're blinded by their infatuation with a character that they just refuse to see any wrong in them, from any angle.

The best part about watching bias people have a discussion is how hypocritical they can be. You can blame a director, writer, or actor for any episode you hate, but when your favorite person is in question, you throw the blinders over your eyes.

Anyway, Allison has a long way to go if she wants to become a good director. A good director imposes their will onto an episode. Allison couldn't even impose one line...
I would blame Allison if the acting was off or if I didn't like how something was shot, mostly I've never once blamed a director for anything. It's interesting though how I've read many of your posts and you've never blamed a director before until now. Your also disregarding a little something called continuity, Allison would have only had that script in front of her and none of the others that passed that ep. WHat if she slipped a line in there and it directly opposed an upcoming storyline? What's wrong is that you have no idea of the director's role in the process and are clearly showing your bias at every turn.

Another hypothetical AM may have wanted to add a line in there but was shot down by the producers. Your conducting scenarios that you have no basis in fact for. Besides I would love to see the shakespeare play where the director addedd whatever lines they felt like :rotfl:

[unfocused]

You obviously haven't read many of my posts :rolleyes:

And you can keep coming up with lousy excuses for your favorite character. Fact is, no line about Jimmy was added. After blaming the writers, I'm going to blame Allison for that.

Again, any good director could have done better than that. AM has a lot to learn.

[Dustmite]

Anyway, Allison has a long way to go if she wants to become a good director. A good director imposes their will onto an episode. Allison couldn't even impose one line...

Right. Let's get this straight. It's not only Chloe's fault. It's also Allison's fault. I forgot that she wrote and produced as well as directing the episode. The script said Clana kiss on the roof but it's Allison's fault for not having Clark push Lana off the roof.

I'm hoping Jimmy dies and Chloe doesn't attend his funeral but cheerleads Clark into Lana's bed to really earn the title of Master Regressor.

[Becc]

And I'll ask again do you know what the job of a director does, because you don't seem to at all. Like I said no one would like it if a director started adding lines in one of Shakespeare's plays.

[unfocused]

I know what a director does. You obviously have no clue. Allison could have added ONE SINGLE LINE. I'm not asking for an entire episode. I am talking about a few words about someone. This isn't Shakespeare for crying out loud :rotfl:

I think you should probably do a google search about directing. Everything you've said about it so far implies that you think directors wear square hats and pull on the chords that make the loud choo choo sound.

[Sunny8]

I made a recent post about Chloe's opinion of Clark and Lana and their relationship, but I have thought about it a little more and I now have something else to say about it.

Clark regretted the kiss in Bulletproof, and he finally saw the light. That Lana held him back, and when she left he left the barn, became pro-active in the fight for justice, and moved on.

But Chloe doesn't think so. She urged him to let himself feel the way he wanted to the week before he saw the truth about Lana holding him back. And now, we have another ending with a Clana kiss, although a beautifully shot Clana kiss I might add. It wasn't so long ago when Chloe was being cheered on for her having Lois' back and telling Clark not to hurt her. But now she is cheering Clana on herself. How sad and typical of Chloe to regress Clark this way.

Thanks, Chloe.

What's worse is that Chloe is still hanging around, giving people advice on love issues yet... Lois is the one taking care of her man. Geez, Lois needs to come back and fix all this mess.

Can we really blame Chloe for this? or is it that Clark is just a weak minded fool that really is not what a fan of the future Superman would expect? Is he so easily led?

[unfocused]

No you're right. People shouldn't listen to their friends and consider their advice. Clark is so wrong for even being friends with someone that gives such terrible advice. He was wrong for thinking Lana held him back for so many years. Chloe was right for correcting him on that one :)

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I think you should probably do a google search about directing. Everything you've said about it so far implies that you think directors wear square hats and pull on the chords that make the loud choo choo sound.

Please don't tell me you actually did go and do a google search :lol:

[MeKa]

I'm hoping Jimmy dies and Chloe doesn't attend his funeral but cheerleads Clark into Lana's bed to really earn the title of Master Regressor.

Yeah. And why didn't director Mack add something to the effect? I mean how hard can it be?

[SGuthrie27]

Good grief, no need to get hateful here. Come on... Look, EVERY character has given bad advice at some point on the show. I DO think that Chloe shouldn't have been rooting for Clana, or any other ship for that matter, but the more I reflect on and analyze that scene, the more I realize that wasn't really the point in the things she said to Clark. She finds Clark rewatching that stupid breakup video for the nth time, berates him for beating himself up for stupid stuff (which he does constantly anyway) and then encourages him to find out what Lana DOES think so he can make an INFORMED decision about where to go from here. What's wrong with that? Clark was obviously considering getting back together with Lana. Chloe's just been saying (not only in this episode but in Bulletproof as well) that he really just needs to think things through.

Y'know, someone would really be helping people out on this thread if they had a transcript of that conversation so we could have the characters' actual words to work with and not be putting words so much in each other's mouths, which is aggravating to the extreme.

In my mind, there are characters who have always pushed Clark to move FORWARD and embrace his destiny, and when I think of that list, Chloe almost always rises to the top of it, as do his parents. She's been his best friend since the beginning of the show (except when Pete held that title) and has had TONS of conversations about not only moving on with his life, but with accepting and embracing the hero she knows he'll eventually become. So, I don't think that this one conversation shows that Chloe always doles out bad advice. You want to prove otherwise? Give a few more examples of previous conversations she's had with Clark that seem to show this -- I can rewatch the DVDs myself, need be.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

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But the point is, why would she need to (throw in a Jimmy reference)? The only scene where it would've even made SENSE for a brief Chimmy mention would be that first scene where she's just hanging out with Clark. In the rest of the scenes she's involved with, she's trying to help Clark figure out where Lana is (since they both believe she's been kidnapped). There'd be no reason for her to talk about him then when they're in full-crisis-mode.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[unfocused]

Chloe wanted Clark to kill Lex last season, Quest.

[RedKRules]

I don´t get it .... when Chloe pimps Clois she is awsome but when she talks about Clana, she is regressing him ... seriously :lol:

[unfocused]

What's wrong with pimping Clois? Clois is for the cool kids.

[RedKRules]

Right. Let's get this straight. It's not only Chloe's fault. It's also Allison's fault. I forgot that she wrote and produced as well as directing the episode. The script said Clana kiss on the roof but it's Allison's fault for not having Clark push Lana off the roof.

I'm hoping Jimmy dies and Chloe doesn't attend his funeral but cheerleads Clark into Lana's bed to really earn the title of Master Regressor.

:rotfl::rotfl: Ditto!

[snarkycole]

I'm blaming the director, along with the writers. And yes, directors have a little leeway in the script, as do actors. But directors are the boss, the only people they can't boss around are the leads. If Allison did want to add a short line, she could have. If she wanted a scene in Star City, she probably could have had that to, being the lead actress AND director.

Actually, it's in movies where the director is the boss. In television the director's job is to execute the script exactly how the writers want her or him to execute it. The writers are in charge in the television world, which is why more screenwriters are preferring to write for the small screen than let their scripts get torn to pieces on the big screen. A director is usually only allowed to make script changes if the writers give them they okay.

[miks]

Guys just ignore this thread. Obviously the OP just wants a rise out of people. Don't give him the courtesy.

[WildGoatTamer]

The entire scene.

CS:Clark you know your bored when you resort to watching a repeat of your break up.

CK:I needed to remind myself that Lana left for a reason.

CS: Did something happen that suddenly made you forget?

CK:Last night we kinda kissed. I know it was a mistake. I don't know what I was thinking.

CS:Clark you're acting like you comitted a crime. Now Im not a lawyer but I really don't think a little trip to first base is a felony.

CK: Digging up feelings from the past that need to stay buried. For both our sakes.

CS:you know you have a arsenal of abilities at your disposal but suffocating feelings that want to come up for air definatley isn't one of them.

CK:Lana thought she was holding me back and you know what, she was right. Look what happen after she left: I got off the farm, got a job. Started using my abilities to help people when they needed it the most.

CS: Did you do that because Lana left or because you simply grew up and realize what you wanted to do with your life? Clark maybe she isn't the liability you making her out to be. How does she feel about it?

CK:It's on that disk. She doesn't want to be together.

CS:She made that disk seven months ago. People change, you certainly did. Look stop playing the guessing game and talk to her. She's probably at my apartment, right now.

And Clark runs off to the talon.

Is it just me or his Clark blaming all the good deeds he did on the fact that his girlfriend left and he had nothing better to do with his time?

[miks]

Not just you.

Chloe is defending Lana. Saying that you finally got off your ass not because Lana was holding you back.

[morena]

I don´t get it .... when Chloe pimps Clois she is awsome but when she talks about Clana, she is regressing him ... seriously :lol:

ITA


is really fun to see how things change

[Dustmite]

The entire scene.

CS:Clark you know your bored when you resort to watching a repeat of your break up.

CK:I needed to remind myself that Lana left for a reason.

CS: Did something happen that suddenly made you forget?

CK:Last night we kinda kissed. I know it was a mistake. I don't know what I was thinking.

CS:Clark you're acting like you comitted a crime. Now Im not a lawyer but I really don't think a little trip to first base is a felony.

CK: Digging up feelings from the past that need to stay buried. For both our sakes.

CS:you know you have a arsenal of abilities at your disposal but suffocating feelings that want to come up for air definatley isn't one of them.

CK:Lana thought she was holding me back and you know what, she was right. Look what happen after she left: I got off the farm, got a job. Started using my abilities to help people when they needed it the most.

CS: Did you do that because Lana left or because you simply grew up and realize what you wanted to do with your life? Clark maybe she isn't the liability you making her out to be. How does she feel about it?

CK:It's on that disk. She doesn't want to be together.

CS:She made that disk seven months ago. People change, you certainly did. Look stop playing the guessing game and talk to her. She's probably at my apartment, right now.

And Clark runs off to the talon.

Is it just me or his Clark blaming all the good deeds he did on the fact that his girlfriend left and he had nothing better to do with his time?

I love Chloe. You guys know that. Adore her.

But that whole scene. That was there for one reason and one reason only. It was the writers way to say f*uck you to those of us who have complained about Lana and Clana in the past. That's the message they were getting across. Lana is not bad for Clark. She does not hold him back and HA you've just been told.

I don't blame Chloe for this at all. Not one iota. They used her as a tool. It could have been any character saying it. They just wanted it said.

Just like they wanted Jimmy to advocate Clois. Just like they wanted Kara to advocate Clois. Just like they wanted Maxima...get my drift?

This show likes TELLING you things rather then SHOWING you a story.

[Vindellavon]

Inconsistent writing. That's all there is to it.

[sarcami]

Clark regressed Clark. Chloe is not to blame.

[HeartChakraBabe]

I can't hold anything against Chloe this week. The writing for her was terrible. The same way they used her in Promise, they did the same thing here. It didn't even feel like Chloe talking.

And what is with the complete non-mention of why she was in SV, what was going on with Jimmy, and why she left him with Lois again? That stuff just makes Chloe look bad.

It wasn't just me!! :D I was wondering who had taken over Chloe's body! The writing of her was very strange, like they were just using her to give Clark an excuse to run back to Lana. It didn't feel like Chloe. :mad::mad::mad: I want REAL!Chloe back!

I was laughing about the Jimmy thing. I don't like the pair AT ALL, and this is just further proof that they don't belong together, when Chloe is cities away helping Clark instead of by her ...*vomits*... husband's side.

[smallvillereporter27]

But that whole scene. That was there for one reason and one reason only. It was the writers way to say f*uck you to those of us who have complained about Lana and Clana in the past. That's the message they were getting across. Lana is not bad for Clark. She does not hold him back and HA you've just been told.

I don't blame Chloe for this at all. Not one iota. They used her as a tool. It could have been any character saying it. They just wanted it said.

Just like they wanted Jimmy to advocate Clois. Just like they wanted Kara to advocate Clois. Just like they wanted Maxima...get my drift?

This show likes TELLING you things rather then SHOWING you a story.

I totally agree. It was a plot device to get Clark to go and find Lana. I think people are blowing this WAY out of proportion, just like many things done on Smallville. We read into every little detail on this show when sometimes its simply the writers trying to progress the story along (they just did it poorly in this case). I think the writers have made far worse mistakes than this... :\