PS3: What was the point of starting Clois?

[eas]

I just don't get it... what was the point of starting up the Clark and Lois relationship if THIS is what you were going to do with Lana's arc?

I get that KK had to come back to fulfill her 5 episode contract for you. That's great.

I also get that you had to have closure for the Clark & Lana relationship because they ended in such an abrupt way. And I also get that Clark and Lana are the main ship of Smallville & that KK has been the female lead for 7+ years.

I also understand that you love Lana Lang, PS3. AlMiles did and it's been obvious that you guys do, too. So I get that you find it impossible to think about anyone else when Lana is around... as long as she shines, the rest of the show can go down the toilet.

Yes, that's just lovely and I get it. I've been watching since Episode 1, Season 1 & I've become accustomed to trying to just catch glimpes of the "Clark Kent Show" in the hours and hours of "Lanaville", after all. SEVEN years of training under the AlMiles regime, right?

UNTIL SEASON EIGHT.

We came into S8 and you guys had all these great ideas. You just swept through the media and Comic Con and gave these impassioned interviews about how awesome this season was going to be.... it was exciting to see you guys so excited. You went on and on about how we were going to see the "Lois and Clark" of it all. We kept hearing about how much you had planned for them and how Chloe was going to get this great arc and really come into her own. We also heard about how much you love Erica and love Lois....

And, for awhile there, it seemed like you were living up to your promises. I mean, we'd burned before... AlMiles would promise stuff, too, and then never deliver. But we watched, in amazement, as the quality of the series actually went up and you DELIVERED on your promises!!

Until "Bride"... then, we watched IN HORROR as Clark Kent almost kissed his future wife and then promptly forgot she existed as soon as Lana Lang entered the room. But we clung to hope that Clark hadn't completely forgotten about all the brains he developed this season and he'd come to his senses.

Today? You proved to us that having hope that this show would be about Clark Kent is pointless. This is the "Lana Lang Show" and god help us if we havent' gotten the memo by now.

So, why'd you bring in Lois Lane, then, huh? You believe that Clark and Lana have this great love story? Great, leave LOIS out of it! You can go ahead and write the "Untold Story of Clark and Lana Lang" and re-write 70 years of Superman canon to suit your own end.... but why the HELL did you have to bring in Lois Lane and then (to rub salt on the wounds) have Lois fall in love with Clark while he's busy worshipping Lana Lang?

It wasn't bad enough that Lois is treated like crap on this show? A side character who barely gets any decent development and is treated like a comic relief more often than not? It wasn't bad enough that Clark - repeatedly - has loved another woman more than the woman who is supposed to be his SOUL MATE?

No, it wasn't enough, was it? You had to rub it in and really be obvious about it... just in case people who care about Lois Lane/Superman weren't understanding it enough. You made damn sure that you didn't waste KK's last 2 episodes and you made damn sure that EVERY Lois Lane fan understood that she will always be second best, never to be better than YOUR favorite - Lana Lang.

So, great. Good job. If it wasn't bad enough, you also desecrated the ONE freakin' thing that you hadn't messed up with Clark/Lois: The DP roof scene.

You know what I wish? I wish that you hadn't given us episodes like "Committed" or gave us such an awesome first half... because you showed us what SV could be and then, immediately, pulled it away and ruined it all. You showed us that you're capable of so much more than what you choose to give us.

[Timester]

Teasing.

The point of any relationship on the TV drama.

And, to be fair with PS3, it was Lois-sided.

[thehenry89]

sadism, that's the ps3's reason behind everything.

[Kid Collins]

Welcome to what TPTB has done with Clana for the past 7 years!

Teased us with Clana getting together, and then we find out that Lana is with Jason and then we find out Lana is with Lex!

Suck it up. Clana's had to.


Teasing.

The point of any relationship on the TV drama.

And, to be fair with PS3, it was Lois-sided.

Exactly.

[dreamsofnever]

Well, said, Sana.

I am going to pretend this show was never about Superman and that the characters just happened to have similar names to the Superman legend.

It's not even about Lois and Clark for me so much as I'm upset about how they've completely missed the point of Superman and the Superman legend.

[Timester]

sadism, that's the ps3's reason behind everything.

Not sadism, tease. Clois was NEVER going to happen, I knew this all along.

[AndiGirl]

I Truly truly believe...they had every intention of going through with Clois. Until the stupid buzz of season 9 started up. Now they are buying time....thats all it is.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

I just don't get it... what was the point of starting up the Clark and Lois relationship if THIS is what you were going to do with Lana's arc?

I get that KK had to come back to fulfill her 5 episode contract for you. That's great.

I also get that you had to have closure for the Clark & Lana relationship because they ended in such an abrupt way. And I also get that Clark and Lana are the main ship of Smallville & that KK has been the female lead for 7+ years.

I also understand that you love Lana Lang, PS3. AlMiles did and it's been obvious that you guys do, too. So I get that you find it impossible to think about anyone else when Lana is around... as long as she shines, the rest of the show can go down the toilet.

Yes, that's just lovely and I get it. I've been watching since Episode 1, Season 1 & I've become accustomed to trying to just catch glimpes of the "Clark Kent Show" in the hours and hours of "Lanaville", after all. SEVEN years of training under the AlMiles regime, right?

UNTIL SEASON EIGHT.

We came into S8 and you guys had all these great ideas. You just swept through the media and Comic Con and gave these impassioned interviews about how awesome this season was going to be.... it was exciting to see you guys so excited. You went on and on about how we were going to see the "Lois and Clark" of it all. We kept hearing about how much you had planned for them and how Chloe was going to get this great arc and really come into her own. We also heard about how much you love Erica and love Lois....

And, for awhile there, it seemed like you were living up to your promises. I mean, we'd burned before... AlMiles would promise stuff, too, and then never deliver. But we watched, in amazement, as the quality of the series actually went up and you DELIVERED on your promises!!

Until "Bride"... then, we watched IN HORROR as Clark Kent almost kissed his future wife and then promptly forgot she existed as soon as Lana Lang entered the room. But we clung to hope that Clark hadn't completely forgotten about all the brains he developed this season and he'd come to his senses.

Today? You proved to us that having hope that this show would be about Clark Kent is pointless. This is the "Lana Lang Show" and god help us if we havent' gotten the memo by now.

So, why'd you bring in Lois Lane, then, huh? You believe that Clark and Lana have this great love story? Great, leave LOIS out of it! You can go ahead and write the "Untold Story of Clark and Lana Lang" and re-write 70 years of Superman canon to suit your own end.... but why the HELL did you have to bring in Lois Lane and then (to rub salt on the wounds) have Lois fall in love with Clark while he's busy worshipping Lana Lang?

It wasn't bad enough that Lois is treated like crap on this show? A side character who barely gets any decent development and is treated like a comic relief more often than not? It wasn't bad enough that Clark - repeatedly - has loved another woman more than the woman who is supposed to be his SOUL MATE?

No, it wasn't enough, was it? You had to rub it in and really be obvious about it... just in case people who care about Lois Lane/Superman weren't understanding it enough. You made damn sure that you didn't waste KK's last 2 episodes and you made damn sure that EVERY Lois Lane fan understood that she will always be second best, never to be better than YOUR favorite - Lana Lang.

So, great. Good job. If it wasn't bad enough, you also desecrated the ONE freakin' thing that you hadn't messed up with Clark/Lois: The DP roof scene.

You know what I wish? I wish that you hadn't given us episodes like "Committed" or gave us such an awesome first half... because you showed us what SV could be and then, immediately, pulled it away and ruined it all. You showed us that you're capable of so much more than what you choose to give us.

Passionately said I applaud you!:) And I agree with everything said. The roof scene is just ruined for me. I really expected better.:\

[thehenry89]

Not sadism, tease. Clois was NEVER going to happen, I knew this all along.

I know clois wasn't going to happen, not really anyway. But what's going on right now is just assinine.

[Timester]

I am going to pretend this show was never about Superman and that the characters just happened to have similar names to the Superman legend.

But what gave the idea that the show is about Superman? It's about Superman's past. They would never go to Clois, especially with the real PTB like DC Comics and Warner Bros hovering over them.

[paolinki25]

Unfortunately, I agree. It was mainly a tease. They always knew they couldn't develop full Clois because of all these "mysterious restrictions" or whatever they have from DC Comics. Nevertheless, it still upsets me to no end how this is damaging future Clois.

[zorasuperman]

i love your speech eas
it was beautiful :D

the point of starting clois was to break out hearts thats what! not only break it they ripped it out of our chest, clenched it in their fists, stomped it on the ground, and dragged it across the floor for miles and miles until it was bleeding tears thats what!

[dreamsofnever]

But what gave the idea that the show is about Superman? It's about Superman's past. They would never go to Clois, especially with the real PTB like DC Comics and Warner Bros hovering over them.

Yes, it's about Superman's past. This character named Clark Kent doesn't resemble anything from Superman's past.

I said above that it's not even about Clois for me. It's about how they are completely missing the point of what makes Clark Kent (i.e. the future Superman) so great-his strong moral compass.

And with this episode and how much he is willing to overlook with Lana, I don't see it.

[miks]

To get Cloisers to watch.

[curiosity]

I Truly truly believe...they had every intention of going through with Clois. Until the stupid buzz of season 9 started up. Now they are buying time....thats all it is.

If they had announced season 9 already, it would be almost ok. I think with Lana coming back it should have been clear that Clark moved on. And if Lana had troubles he could have helped her only as a friend, and no kissing, or relationship stuff. It should've been clear it was over.

I agree the whole standing on the roof thing was really bad. I guess they thought we would love it since it's 'Superman', only it couldn't have been farther from Superman.

And if that's not enough, they're making it so sad and emotional and dramatic, and crazy, like Lana is totally nuts, and just not fun or happy, like Lois.

[singingdove]

Not going to lie, I feel sick to my stomach just thinking about Power. They've done Lois and Clark a huge disservice, both together and apart, by doing Clana yet again. I remained optimistic through Bulletproof but now? I don't know what to think. How am I ever supposed to believe Lois is Clark's true love after this? I just don't get it. Not only that, but she is ALREADY IN LOVE WITH HIM, and he's still going back to Lana. That is inexcusable.

[amberdawn]

It should of never been started. I DON'T CARE if it was one-sided, Timester. They should have left it THE HELL alone (I'm not yelling at you Timester, just to be clear).

And now because of this, I'm done. Signing off. They didn't just ruin Clois, they ruined Clark.

[lovinredkclark]

eas, i stand up and applaud you.

i whole heartedly agree with EVERYTHING you said.
after tonights ep, ps3 have killed sv for me.

[eas]

Teasing.

The point of any relationship on the TV drama.

And, to be fair with PS3, it was Lois-sided.

And that helps me how?

*looks at avatar*

I'm a Lois fan, Timester. Not just SVLois, but Iconic Lois. They treat Lois like crap, I get mad. Simple as that.

In this case, though, Clark Kent also was treated like crap. Superman should not be pining after Lana Lang.

[myankskent]

IMO, TPTB started Clois because they had nowhere else to go. Since KK was leaving, they needed some sort of romance for Clark. Clois on Smallville has become the back-up plan, if you will.

[lisasstar]

I have never been so disappointed with a storyline as I am with this one. My husband and I have been comic book fans all our lives, and are serious Superman collectors. My wedding cake topper was Superman and Lois, my first dance was "Can You Read My Mind?" No, we are not crazed, we simply enjoy the Superman story and in a world where there is so much turmoil, it's wonderful to see a story like Lois and Clark's. I understand that Kristen Kreuk needed to resolve her storyline, and I even understand Clark and Lana may have had to revisit old feelings. That is fine. That is drama. But I ask you, was it really neccessary to have Clark and Lana kiss on the Daily Planet rooftop with the Globe iconically spinning behind them? That is not drama. That is not storytelling. That, my dear producers is tainting a love story much of the world has come to rely on for faith and trust in a time when this country is dark. There was no need to show that scene this evening. Clark and Lana could have kissed anywhere. I cannot even fathom why people who have been given a gift of telling a Superman story would do such a thing, but then again, I cannot fathom many of the things I have witnessed in my life. So much for my Fortress Of Solitude away from the real world on Thursday nights. I can assure you that the millions of fans who hold the Superman Saga and the Legendary Love Story of Lois and Clark will remember Smallville as the show that defined Clark Kent as a wishy-washy lovelorn sap. . .all for the sake of "drama". Tom Welling and Erica Durance deserve better. They have embodied Clark Kent and Lois Lane in a magical way. Please, for the sake of heroes everywhere, redeem this love story quickly, or I am afraid Smallville will hold a bitter place in Superman's history.

Sincerely Yours,

A Faithful Smallville Viewer From Day One
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[miks]

They didn't just ruin Clois, they ruined Clark.

I disagree. Clark was in the wrong to go in for that kiss but IMO it was because he was lonely and at a wedding where it makes you realize how alone you actually are. But he has never had feelings for Lois, nor has he ever, besides the almost kiss, showed her he's had feelings for her.

[luvinChlark]

I'm seriously thinking why would anyone trust these writers with their ship? All they do is tease. I surly know about all the teasing with Chlark for all the years... Clois pimp and tease, now look at Clana. I thought Al/miles were the ones who loved Clana. I was wrong. PS3 are pimping both Lana and Clana. I don't believe they can write a relationship without ruining it later on.

[amberdawn]

I disagree. Clark was in the wrong to go in for that kiss but IMO it was because he was lonely and at a wedding where it makes you realize how alone you actually are. But he has never had feelings for Lois, nor has he ever, besides the almost kiss, showed her he's had feelings for her.

That is your opinion, not mine.

[eas]

But what gave the idea that the show is about Superman? It's about Superman's past. They would never go to Clois, especially with the real PTB like DC Comics and Warner Bros hovering over them.

And so they shouldn't have started it. Lois shouldn't have had feelings for him.

Hell, Lois shouldn't even be there. Lex Luthor shouldn't be there. Doomsday, Zod, Brianiac... none of them should be there.

He should be sitting at the farm, doing his chores, and going on a date with the sweet and innocent Lana Lang to the movies.

But... wait... that's not the show we've been watching for the past five years.

That argument? Went out the window in S4. The second Lois Lane walked into Clark Kent's life, none of that matters anymore. Clark's past? Is his present.

And so I won't hear that as an "excuse" anymore. Either they keep his future stuff out of the story or the incorporate it in a way that doesn't ruin the original story.

Simple as that.

[theotherJane]

I agree, Sana. They should either have:

a) never introduced the Lois Lane character

or

b) left her at the end of Devoted in S4, when she said her goodbyes to Clark. Then maybe, they could have asked Erica to return for SV's final episode, where she runs into Clark again, but doesn't remember him because it's been such a long time and because he's in his full Clark Kent, mild-mannered reporter get-up.

[lovinredkclark]

It should of never been started. I DON'T CARE if it was one-sided, Timester. They should have left it THE HELL alone (I'm not yelling at you Timester, just to be clear).

And now because of this, I'm done. Signing off. They didn't just ruin Clois, they ruined Clark.

here here. exactly how i feel.

[kimmiss]

jump


shark

[myankskent]

I'm seriously thinking why would anyone trust these writers with their ship? All they do is tease. I surly know about all the teasing with Chlark for all the years... Clois pimp and tease, now look at Clana. I thought Al/miles were the ones who loved Clana. I was wrong. PS3 are pimping both Lana and Clana. I don't believe they can write a relationship without ruining it later on.

I think TPTB have certainly done a lot more than teasing Clana over the years. For the other ships, they have teased them continuously but at the end of the day, all of this Clana has really tainted any future relationship that Clark will have in the future.

[eas]

Not sadism, tease. Clois was NEVER going to happen, I knew this all along.

I never expected it to... that is WHY I'm pissed. I never wanted or expected them to pursue roma Clois on this show.

And now? To have them do it from Lois's side while Clark goes around pining and loving Lana???

It's the biggest insult they could give to Lois fans. It's just terrible.

[LucyK]

Smallville might be about a guy named Clark, but this is NOT about Superman. SM is not a fickle, childish and immature little guy who can't even see what's in front of him and it's not smart enough to realize what a freak Lana and her search for power was. That's Smallville, not Superman.

I could care less about Clois at this point. HE doesn't deserve the amazing Lois Lane. What worries me is how in the world are going to turn this pathetic little man into the most powerful man in the universe. Because it's not about powers only, Superman is insanely smart and has the purest heart ever. This dude? Not even worth the dirt in Darkseid's shoes.

[thehenry89]

This whole episode upsets me as a cloiser, and a superman fan. I knew the PS3 couldn't help themselves, they have to screw every aspect of the superman myth until it's unreconizable. No disrespect to KK because I really do like her, but I wish her charachter had stayed dead after season 6.

[Wicked Lois]

Lois was supposed to be only in 4 episodes, but ED was so great that they kept her until now. Why did they need her? Because its obvious that some Superman fans were hard to believe that Clana was such a high in the show... so they brought Lois and Clois... to fool us like.... but its clear that they were never meant to happen in this show... that seems to be a marvel joke on us.

[lovinredkclark]

I have never been so disappointed with a storyline as I am with this one. we simply enjoy the Superman story and in a world where there is so much turmoil, it's wonderful to see a story like Lois and Clark's. I understand that Kristen Kreuk needed to resolve her storyline, and I even understand Clark and Lana may have had to revisit old feelings. That is fine. That is drama. But I ask you, was it really neccessary to have Clark and Lana kiss on the Daily Planet rooftop with the Globe iconically spinning behind them? That is not drama. That is not storytelling. That, my dear producers is tainting a love story much of the world has come to rely on for faith and trust in a time when this country is dark. There was no need to show that scene this evening. Clark and Lana could have kissed anywhere. I cannot even fathom why people who have been given a gift of telling a Superman story would do such a thing, but then again, I cannot fathom many of the things I have witnessed in my life. So much for my Fortress Of Solitude away from the real world on Thursday nights. I can assure you that the millions of fans who hold the Superman Saga and the Legendary Love Story of Lois and Clark will remember Smallville as the show that defined Clark Kent as a wishy-washy lovelorn sap. . .all for the sake of "drama". Tom Welling and Erica Durance deserve better. They have embodied Clark Kent and Lois Lane in a magical way. Please, for the sake of heroes everywhere, redeem this love story quickly, or I am afraid Smallville will hold a bitter place in Superman's history.

Sincerely Yours,

A Faithful Smallville Viewer From Day One
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perfectly said and if i may, i second that.

the only difference for me is ps3 have killed it me. and now i dont have anything to watch on thursdays

[eas]

IMO, TPTB started Clois because they had nowhere else to go. Since KK was leaving, they needed some sort of romance for Clark. Clois on Smallville has become the back-up plan, if you will.

Um... they could have kept him SINGLE. Why did Lois have to fall for him?

[myankskent]

Um... they could have kept him SINGLE. Why did Lois have to fall for him?

I believe that the answer to that question is found when you check to see what channel Smallville is on every week.

[eas]

jump


shark

Yup.

[Alicia Chipy]

I have never been so disappointed with a storyline as I am with this one. My husband and I have been comic book fans all our lives, and are serious Superman collectors. My wedding cake topper was Superman and Lois, my first dance was "Can You Read My Mind?" No, we are not crazed, we simply enjoy the Superman story and in a world where there is so much turmoil, it's wonderful to see a story like Lois and Clark's. I understand that Kristen Kreuk needed to resolve her storyline, and I even understand Clark and Lana may have had to revisit old feelings. That is fine. That is drama. But I ask you, was it really neccessary to have Clark and Lana kiss on the Daily Planet rooftop with the Globe iconically spinning behind them? That is not drama. That is not storytelling. That, my dear producers is tainting a love story much of the world has come to rely on for faith and trust in a time when this country is dark. There was no need to show that scene this evening. Clark and Lana could have kissed anywhere. I cannot even fathom why people who have been given a gift of telling a Superman story would do such a thing, but then again, I cannot fathom many of the things I have witnessed in my life. So much for my Fortress Of Solitude away from the real world on Thursday nights. I can assure you that the millions of fans who hold the Superman Saga and the Legendary Love Story of Lois and Clark will remember Smallville as the show that defined Clark Kent as a wishy-washy lovelorn sap. . .all for the sake of "drama". Tom Welling and Erica Durance deserve better. They have embodied Clark Kent and Lois Lane in a magical way. Please, for the sake of heroes everywhere, redeem this love story quickly, or I am afraid Smallville will hold a bitter place in Superman's history.

Sincerely Yours,

A Faithful Smallville Viewer From Day One
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ITA
I had the Superman theme in MY wedding.I feelvery angry and betrayed.:mad::(

[Lilah]

But what gave the idea that the show is about Superman? It's about Superman's past. They would never go to Clois, especially with the real PTB like DC Comics and Warner Bros hovering over them.


Then if that's the case, the show should have ended a long time ago and Clark Kent should not be at the Daily Planet right now and he definitely shouldn't have been on the roof of the Daily Planet with Lana Lang tonight... He could have kissed her at the Isis Foundation or in the freakin' barn and I would have been okay... but what they've done... and how they did it... I bet Joe Shuster and Jerry Siegel are turning in their graves. And I'm glad their grandchildren are taking back the rights to Superman in 2013... tonight just proved that ANYONE can ruin a masterpiece, a classic and this iconic story (love story might I add... between LOIS and CLARK) doesn't belong in just any hands.... AlMiles and PS3 are apparently, the WRONG hands.... :mad:

[paolinki25]

Um... they could have kept him SINGLE. Why did Lois have to fall for him?

Exactly. That's the part I don't understand. How Clark is about to kiss her one day and the next he's "Oh, Lana! You are the awesomeness. Marry me!" It's just messed up not to mention damaging to Clark as a character. The guy doesn't know what the f*ck he wants.

[eas]

I believe that the answer to that question is found when you check to see what channel Smallville is on every week.

LOL... then they should have done Chlark.

Or, here's a thought... make him single for 4-5 episodes and THEN bring in Lana. Clana should have ended in the first half & then they could go do whatever they wanted with the concept of Clois.

Or... here's another thought: Don't write Clark Kent to be such a moron when Clana is going on!!!

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I agree, Sana. They should either have:

a) never introduced the Lois Lane character

or

b) left her at the end of Devoted in S4, when she said her goodbyes to Clark. Then maybe, they could have asked Erica to return for SV's final episode, where she runs into Clark again, but doesn't remember him because it's been such a long time and because he's in his full Clark Kent, mild-mannered reporter get-up.

Pretty much. There was no need to bring Lois Lane into the show if she was going to be treated like crap & they would just use her to tell the CLANA story.

[Alania]

I agree, Sana. They should either have:

a) never introduced the Lois Lane character

or

b) left her at the end of Devoted in S4, when she said her goodbyes to Clark. Then maybe, they could have asked Erica to return for SV's final episode, where she runs into Clark again, but doesn't remember him because it's been such a long time and because he's in his full Clark Kent, mild-mannered reporter get-up.

They kept her around Clark's life all this time, and for what??!!!??!?!?!?! Devoted should have been the last one and maybe, bring her back years ago, already at the DP, and not developing a relationship, a friendship and a love all of those years that was not suppose to happen. I am truly disaapointed at that and i am not watching next week, that is 100% sure. Lana, imo, is never saying goodbye to Clark, will be just words. And it's official, Lois IS a rebound, in Smallville POV.

[BadToad]

I have no clue at all why they even started things with Clois if this was the direction they were going to go. If the message they are sending is that Clark can never get over Lana, EVER, then just sail that ship. I absolutely loathe it for Clark, and I think it does him a horrible disservice, but at least it doesn't drag in any other characters. Why they choose to go this route? I simply cannot fathom the thinking.

[somegirl]

eas, i stand up and applaud you.

i whole heartedly agree with EVERYTHING you said.
after tonights ep, ps3 have killed sv for me.





Absolutely.

PS3 - You all are a HUGE disappointment. This show will always be remembered as the incarnation that turned Clark Kent into a plain, dumbass LOSER. The best he can hope to become here is SuperLoser. This is the journey of Clark Kent to SuperLoser. Not Superman. And LameLana, to SuperLana.

You all continue to slap your support in the face. You all continue to disrespect and insult your lead character.

I've been watching Lanaville all this bloody time. No more.

[myankskent]

LOL... then they should have done Chlark.

I guess when it comes to Chlark, TPTB feel that Clark being in a relationship with Chloe will create an awkward situation for his future relationship with Lois, which would then taint the Clois relationship. Apparently, TPTB are perfectly fine with having a near kiss between Clois followed up by some hardcore Clana where Clark forgets that Lois even exists. I guess that's not tainting the Clois relationship in TPTB's book.

[curiosity]

I have no clue at all why they even started things with Clois if this was the direction they were going to go. If the message they are sending is that Clark can never get over Lana, EVER, then just sail that ship. I absolutely loathe it for Clark, and I think it does him a horrible disservice, but at least it doesn't drag in any other characters. Why they choose to go this route? I simply cannot fathom the thinking.


Yet in Hex, just a few episodes away, Chloe sees how hard Clark has fallen for L**s. Is Clark going to tell Lana he's fallen for Lois next episode? How will they transition this?

[myankskent]

If the message they are sending is that Clark can never get over Lana, EVER, then just sail that ship.

IA. There are three possible scenarios that I would prefer at this point for Clark and I'll give them to you in order of what I want most....

1. Clark ends up alone.
2. Clark meets some random girl and marries her.
3. Clark ends up with Lana.

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Yet in Hex, just a few episodes away, Chloe sees how hard Clark has fallen for L**s. So go figure. Is Clark going to tell Lana he's fallen for Lois next episode? How will they transition this?

Forget about everything that happened in these five episodes, unless of course KK returns to the show at some point, and hope that the audience has forgotten as well.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

I guess when it comes to Chlark, TPTB feel that Clark being in a relationship with Chloe will create an awkward situation for his future relationship with Lois, which would then taint the Clois relationship.

And having Clark and Lana kiss on the roof of the DP like they did DOESN'T?

It's the one thing above all else that amid my disappointment is fuelling my rage. Teasing is one thing. Throwing bones at different fanbases another. But NEVER that I'm aware of in the history of this show have they taken something so intrinsically tied to the mythos and crapped all over it.

Until - lord help me - I watch this mess a second time with a more clinical eye I won't comment on anything else. But THAT I really can't forgive. I may be slightly calmer tomorrow, but right now I'm really not a happy viewer.

[eas]

I have no clue at all why they even started things with Clois if this was the direction they were going to go. If the message they are sending is that Clark can never get over Lana, EVER, then just sail that ship. I absolutely loathe it for Clark, and I think it does him a horrible disservice, but at least it doesn't drag in any other characters. Why they choose to go this route? I simply cannot fathom the thinking.

Thank you!!

And... let the record show... you are CLARK KENT fan that is saying this. No vested interest for Lois or shipping!!

The fact is that the Clana relationship is destructive for Clark and even HE noticed it in the first part of this episode. But, as things go, he quickly brushed his concerns aside when he got a chance to be with Lana.

I have no problem with them deciding to milk the Clana-gravy-train for as long as possible.

I have issues with them dragging Lois into it... to what purpose? First of all, they've sent the message that he'll never love a person more than Lana Lang. Then, on top of that, they give us a Lois Lane who has fallen for Clark Kent and is destined to love him while he loves another one more.

This show is based on an existing story. An existing legend. And the Clark Kent/Lois Lane love story is legendary. To turn it into this crap-fest to play up the Lana Lang character is nothing short of moronic.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Yet in Hex, just a few episodes away, Chloe sees how hard Clark has fallen for L**s. So go figure. Is Clark going to tell Lana he's fallen for Lois next episode? How will they transition this?

IMO They CAN'T. Not in one episode with Lana and an episode Lois won't even remember.

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Thank you!!

And... let the record show... you are CLARK KENT fan that is saying this. No vested interest for Lois or shipping!!

The fact is that the Clana relationship is destructive for Clark and even HE noticed it in the first part of this episode. But, as things go, he quickly brushed his concerns aside when he got a chance to be with Lana.

I have no problem with them deciding to milk the Clana-gravy-train for as long as possible.

I have issues with them dragging Lois into it... to what purpose? First of all, they've sent the message that he'll never love a person more than Lana Lang. Then, on top of that, they give us a Lois Lane who has fallen for Clark Kent and is destined to love him while he loves another one more.

This show is based on an existing story. An existing legend. And the Clark Kent/Lois Lane love story is legendary. To turn it into this crap-fest to play up the Lana Lang character is nothing short of moronic.

Couldn't agree more!

[eas]

I guess when it comes to Chlark, TPTB feel that Clark being in a relationship with Chloe will create an awkward situation for his future relationship with Lois, which would then taint the Clois relationship. Apparently, TPTB are perfectly fine with having a near kiss between Clois followed up by some hardcore Clana where Clark forgets that Lois even exists. I guess that's not tainting the Clois relationship in TPTB's book.


.... which explains my anger... and that explains the point of this thread.

To...um... explain to them that their logic is illogical. ;)

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IA. There are three possible scenarios that I would prefer at this point for Clark and I'll give them to you in order of what I want most....

1. Clark ends up alone.
2. Clark meets some random girl and marries her.
3. Clark ends up with Lana.

Actually, I want him to end up with Lana. I mean, he is the hero of the story and if THAT is what's going to make him the most happy, then so be it.

Any other option is just a cop-out, because we all know that he's in love with Lana, anyway.

[curiosity]

.... which explains my anger... and that explains the point of this thread.

To...um... explain to them that their logic is illogical. ;)

Maybe he's going to tell Lana he's fallen for Lois and it just isn't right?

How else will Chloe see how hard Clark has fallen for L**s, in Hex?

[AndiGirl]

I posted this in the Clois thread...and I'm going to re-post it here.


I honestly think Lois will not only not be clarks second choice, but their epic love cant be tainted. Right now...I can fully admitt, the love Clark has for Lana is stronger then that he has for Lois. But that's to be expected...how long has he loved Lana? And the feelings between Clark and Lois are just beginning to boil to the surface.

So after a few episodes Clark will realize it's been over for a long time...and he's just been holding on to a dream. He so badly wants to share his life with someone. Lana already knows his secret...and at this point she's actually the easier choice.

Clarks holding on to something that was gone along time ago...and I dont want him to be with Lois until he's completely over Lana. Which will happen before she leaves...I'm sure of it.

Then, we can make room for the iconic love that is Lois and Clark! Will it be second best...absolutely not. It will be things Clana could never dream of.

[SmallvilleMan]

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The fact is that the Clana relationship is destructive for Clark and even HE noticed it in the first part of this episode. But, as things go, he quickly brushed his concerns aside when he got a chance to be with Lana.

No, It was Chloe that changed his mind........And he was acting out of frustration, because for some reason he kept watching the goodbye video......

[zorasuperman]

how they are going to show how hard clark has fallen for lois in hex is a load of ... i dont curse lol. but i am thinking it. that transition is impossible. there is just no way!

[Deana]

For ratings, because they potentially knew going in this would be their last season so the new guys decided to go out with a bang. They knew the promise of Clois would pull in some high ratings but were they actually going to deliever . . . NO. I just went through this in another fandom where the producers actually dissed the fans that they tricked when the show was over. That experience is actually the reason why I kept my guard up with Clois even if I let it charm me a bit.

Maybe they want the show to be canceled. You guys did say that the woman over the CW wants Smallville gone so maybe that was a part of their contract. Conspiracy Theory!

[curiosity]

how they are going to show how hard clark has fallen for lois in hex is a load of ... i dont curse lol. but i am thinking it. that transition is impossible. there is just no way!

This is the question.:p

[myankskent]

Actually, I want him to end up with Lana. I mean, he is the hero of the story and if THAT is what's going to make him the most happy, then so be it.

Any other option is just a cop-out, because we all know that he's in love with Lana, anyway.

At this point, Clana should be the endpoint. The latest trailer pretty much put the nail in that coffin for me.

[eas]

I posted this in the Clois thread...and I'm going to re-post it here.


I honestly think Lois will not only not be clarks second choice, but their epic love cant be tainted. Right now...I can fully admitt, the love Clark has for Lana is stronger then that he has for Lois. But that's to be expected...how long has he loved Lana? And the feelings between Clark and Lois are just beginning to boil to the surface.

So after a few episodes Clark will realize it's been over for a long time...and he's just been holding on to a dream. He so badly wants to share his life with someone. Lana already knows his secret...and at this point she's actually the easier choice.

Clarks holding on to something that was gone along time ago...and I dont want him to be with Lois until he's completely over Lana. Which will happen before she leaves...I'm sure of it.

Then, we can make room for the iconic love that is Lois and Clark! Will it be second best...absolutely not. It will be things Clana could never dream of.


OK, here's the thing:

- Clana ends next week and, so far, they've sucked face in two episodes in a row. Clark enjoyed it and seems to not want to stop. Perhaps, next week, he has some epiphany that Lana sucks? I think not, since KK was HAPPY with the ending that Lana got. I'm thinking, "Lana, you suck" was not part of the scenes she had with Clark.

- Lois is in barely any of the episodes in the 2nd half of the season. Kind of hard to see an "epic love story" build up when 1/2 of the couple is gone.

- Clark has been in love with Lana for most of his life... are we really supposed to believe that he magically got over her and in love with Lois over the course of the gap between "Requiem" and "Infamous"?

- The "epic love story" is not one that has been played out in Smallville as being between Clark & Lois... it's between Lana/Clark. I am not one to look towards the mythos to get fill in the holes for "SV". There is regular Superman canon & then there's SV-canon. In SV-canon, SVClark is madly in love with SVLana. SVLois has a crush on SVClark, but he could care less about her, because he's too busy sucking face with SVLana.

[curiosity]

At this point, Clana should be the endpoint. The latest trailer pretty much put the nail in that coffin for me.

It can't be, she's gone after next week.

[eas]

Maybe he's going to tell Lana he's fallen for Lois and it just isn't right?

How else will Chloe see how hard Clark has fallen for L**s, in Hex?

No, KK has confirmed that she & Clark don't have a convo about Lois.

[curiosity]

I posted this in the Clois thread...and I'm going to re-post it here.


I honestly think Lois will not only not be clarks second choice, but their epic love cant be tainted. Right now...I can fully admitt, the love Clark has for Lana is stronger then that he has for Lois. But that's to be expected...how long has he loved Lana? And the feelings between Clark and Lois are just beginning to boil to the surface.

So after a few episodes Clark will realize it's been over for a long time...and he's just been holding on to a dream. He so badly wants to share his life with someone. Lana already knows his secret...and at this point she's actually the easier choice.

Clarks holding on to something that was gone along time ago...and I dont want him to be with Lois until he's completely over Lana. Which will happen before she leaves...I'm sure of it.

Then, we can make room for the iconic love that is Lois and Clark! Will it be second best...absolutely not. It will be things Clana could never dream of.


I agree with you. Clois hadn't really started yet. They haven't even kissed, they "almost" kissed. Almost any guy would talk to the ex, but I don't like the romance and the kissing like it's not over. I don't like how they interrupted Clois to bring in Lana. If we don't get a season 9, I'll be really upset. We've seen reports saying it's coming and others saying it's not. If it is, that would be great. If we don't get a Clois season 9, maybe we watched but we don't have to buy the dvds!

[SmallvilleMan]

Maybe they want the show to be canceled. You guys did say that the woman over the CW wants Smallville gone so maybe that was a part of their contract. Conspiracy Theory!

LOL

[myankskent]

It can't be, she's gone after next week.

It won't be, but it should be. From the looks of things, something major will happen so that Clark and Lana simply can't be together, despite their feelings for each other. It smells like "Reckoning part 2" to me.

[curiosity]

No, KK has confirmed that she & Clark don't have a convo about Lois.

This isn't good. Maybe then, he tells her THEIR relationship just isn't right.:) I don't see how else they can do it, considering H*x.

[AndiGirl]

OK, here's the thing:

- Clana ends next week and, so far, they've sucked face in two episodes in a row. Clark enjoyed it and seems to not want to stop. Perhaps, next week, he has some epiphany that Lana sucks? I think not, since KK was HAPPY with the ending that Lana got. I'm thinking, "Lana, you suck" was not part of the scenes she had with Clark.

- Lois is in barely any of the episodes in the 2nd half of the season. Kind of hard to see an "epic love story" build up when 1/2 of the couple is gone.

- Clark has been in love with Lana for most of his life... are we really supposed to believe that he magically got over her and in love with Lois over the course of the gap between "Requiem" and "Infamous"?

- The "epic love story" is not one that has been played out in Smallville as being between Clark & Lois... it's between Lana/Clark. I am not one to look towards the mythos to get fill in the holes for "SV". There is regular Superman canon & then there's SV-canon. In SV-canon, SVClark is madly in love with SVLana. SVLois has a crush on SVClark, but he could care less about her, because he's too busy sucking face with SVLana.

I understand where you're coming from...but what I personally saw was:

A man not sure of anything...especially his feelings. Didnt he even confess to Chloe that when he and Lana kissed it felt off....and not right?

He knows deep down that yes....he had an intense love for Lana at one point, but it's not like that any more. I believe he just wants to share his life with someone so badly, he's willing to once again attempt to rekindle a flame that died long ago.

The end scene just clarified that for me. They are "equals" now. Lana knows his secret...and not only that, has powers to match! That's all he's ever wanted, to be able to share everything with the woman he loves.

Right now.....do his feelings for Lana over take those he has for Lois? Yes...of course. Clois was just getting started, and there were years of Clana. It's not going to be an overnight process.

I dont think Kristens time on the show has to end with either Clana or everyone cheering as Lana goes. I think her time with super powers will show her that she STILL isnt ready for them. Of course she isnt, they arent meant for humans! :lol: Once again reinstating her poor judgement.

I think Lana will some how save Clark, lose her powers....and then they both realize it's always circumstancial things bringing them together....and the love they have for eachother will always be there (its his first love...that will always hold a special place) but it's not a good enough reason for them to stay together

The end of Clana.....
Next, Clois builds....and builds....and builds. Until they become the epic love I KNOW they will be. :)

If you all dont agree, thats perfectly fine. Cant say that I blame you. I still think it's going to happen though. Because like I said....Clana is one kind of love, and Clois is something entirely out of this world that cant be touched.

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I agree with you. Clois hadn't really started yet. They haven't even kissed, they "almost" kissed. Almost any guy would talk to the ex, but I don't like the romance and the kissing like it's not over. I don't like how they interrupted Clois to bring in Lana. If we don't get a season 9, I'll be really upset. We've seen reports saying it's coming and others saying it's not. If it is, that would be great. If we don't get a Clois season 9, maybe we watched but we don't have to buy the dvds!

Exactly! :)

[eas]

I agree with you. Clois hadn't really started yet. They haven't even kissed, they "almost" kissed. Since when does a guy ignore his ex, because he almost kissed a new girl. Never, almost any guy would talk to the ex. I don't like how the interupted Clois to bring in Lan. I'm pretty upset over Clana. If we don't get a season 9, I'll be really upset. We've seen reports saying it's coming and others saying it's not. If it is, that would be great. If we don't get a Clois season 9, maybe we watched but we don't have to buy the dvds!

The point isn't whether or not they'll explore Clois after Lana leaves.

I'm certain they will, given the spoilers we've gotten and the way they handle the first half of season 8.

The PROBLEM is the WAY they handled Clois in S8. They wrapped it up in the Clana-drama & they made it so obvious that Clark is in love with Lana (and that - no matter what - he'll always be hers) that by the time they get around to focusing on Lois again, it'll be a joke.

They handled things HORRIBLY. First, they make sure that Lois falls hard. Then, Clark realizes that Lois has fallen hard. Then, Lana comes back in and Lois just - convenientally - disappears from the show. They didn't even have the grace to overlap Lana/Lois in ONE episode to show Clark having a conflict. Nope... just "out of sight, out of mind".

Where was Lois during this episode? No one mentioned her... it was like she didn't even exist. And, for all intents and purposes, she doesn't. Has Clark even TALKED to her since the wedding? Even called her to say "hi"? Have Clark and Lois even talked about their almost kiss or anything? Resolved anything?

We don't know!! Why? Because they don't think it's IMPORTANT for us to know that or to show it onscreen... not when we can see Lana flashbacks of her video being tapped or Lana-fu with Tess. THAT, to them, is more important than explaining where Lois fits into this all.

So, really, how can I be overjoyed that Clark will deign to notice Lois when Lana leaves for good? Am I supposed to be happy about that?

My hope is that they keep Clark the hell away from Lois, she treats him like crap, and they pay KK a truck-load of money to come back for the series finale & the last scene is Clark/Lana hugging at the Kent farm.

Because, really? THAT'S what this show has been leading up to the whole series and it's time we came to terms with it.

[doodie8808]

the best relationship done on this show was lollie!

[Carolina87]

Welcome to what TPTB has done with Clana for the past 7 years!

Teased us with Clana getting together, and then we find out that Lana is with Jason and then we find out Lana is with Lex!

Suck it up. Clana's had to.



Exactly.

Those who where on board with the Clana knew that it was sooner or later coming to an end so please don't tell us to suck it up because Lois and Clark are not a side story like Clana is. Our indignation is with the writers of the show and their treatment of Lois Lane's character.

BTW SANA GREAT POST!!!

[MrZeppo]

Okay, I've tried to be fair to Clois shippers and Clana shippers. I think all fans of the show should get some sort of payoff. I am not a shipper but I am a fan of the show and Clark and try to stay honest with what I am seeing.

But this episode pissed me off.

I know where this is heading. The preview for next week spoiled it for me. Lex or Toyman or someone is going to setup a dirty Kryptonite bomb in Metropolis and Lana is going to get irradiated disarming it because Clark can't. She won't die, but she'll emit kryptonite radiation which will weaken Clark, thus allowing them never to be together. She'll leave to be a hero in her own right and Clark will have to move on with his life.

This is not great closure IMHO.

I'll be honest, half the time Clana killed me. It was actually painful to watch sometimes. But I accepted it was part of the story. And truthfully, I haven't minded the Clana since KK came back, because it was less annoying before tonight. But tonight the writing and storyline infuriated me.

Okay, so Lana leaves and comes back. Fine. She tells Clark she doesn't want to be with him and that maybe they aren't meant to be together. Fine. She came back just to get powers. Fine.

But when she gets that power, now she wants to be together with Clark? Because she is on the same footing and they are equals now?

What the bloody hell?

I am sorry. When Lana came back she seemed much more mature and I liked that. She wasn't like, "OMG, I need Clark!". Even in "Bulletproof", she didn't initiate any of that at the end. That was Clark. But now that she's on "equal footing" as Clark, now they can be together? Now she wants to be with him. Is it just me or is there something so wrong about that? It was a complete 360 from the last episode. Gone is the independent Lana Lang I had hoped for. No, she still has the same hang up as she did before, Clark. I know she plans to use her powers with Clark to help people, and that is admirable, but it's sad, you know? I hoped KK was coming back to show a more independent Lana, and tonight's episode makes her sound like she was envious of Clark's abilities and wanted to be an equal. And to be an equal she needs super-powers.

I'm sorry, I've waited for years to see a mature and adult Lana Lang, and this blows. I don't think you need super-powers to be someone's equal.

And to make matters worse, Lana is leaving in the next episode and it seems Clana will go into full effect until the end of "Requiem". And then going on from "Infamous" it's business as usual and Clois is coming back?

I dunno, this makes me a little annoyed. It makes Clark sound like a jerk. I know I'm jumping the gun a little, but I hope they give a few episodes for Clark to deal with what happens in "Requiem" so it doesn't make him sound like such a player. I think both ships deserve better. In fact, I'm prefer they just do small teases for Clois the rest of the season, show their friendship grow more, and then really address it next season. Because it's screwed up to jump to Clois right after tonight and what I suspect will happen next week.

Just my two cents.

End rant.

[skylar]

All of Cloiser needs to go Rehab so we can deal with sucky situation. I'll start bright and early.

[theotherJane]

I have no clue at all why they even started things with Clois if this was the direction they were going to go. If the message they are sending is that Clark can never get over Lana, EVER, then just sail that ship. I absolutely loathe it for Clark, and I think it does him a horrible disservice, but at least it doesn't drag in any other characters. Why they choose to go this route? I simply cannot fathom the thinking.

This wouldn't be the first time they've dragged other characters into worthless story lines. Remember that horrible nightmare of the sixth season aka Clexana? It was mind boggling to see how a show can make its 3 lead characters look so bad.

If I was DC, I would have cried FOUL! a long time ago, before it lead to this. And Before you fork away your intellectual property, you wanna make sure it's developed right? I mean we can go back through the years and use Lana as a primary example since they've done a pretty good job of butchering her character with the fake pregnancy storylines, the endless stalker storylines, and then to top it all off, they managed to turn her into a vindictive, power hungry super-freak.

[Larel]

This isn't good. Maybe then, he tells her THEIR relationship just isn't right.:) I don't see how else they can do it, considering H*x.



Exactly how can Clark in "Hex" be ............... looking loving at Lois" if he has just had Lana leave again?:rolleyes:

We do have a spoiler that says........ Chloe realizes how HARD CLARK HAS FALLEN FOR LOIS" oh really when the hell did this happen?:\

[thehenry89]

Okay, I've tried to be fair to Clois shippers and Clana shippers. I think all fans of the show should get some sort of payoff. I am not a shipper but I am a fan of the show and Clark and try to stay honest with what I am seeing.

But this episode pissed me off.

I know where this is heading. The preview for next week spoiled it for me. Lex or Toyman or someone is going to setup a dirty Kryptonite bomb in Metropolis and Lana is going to get irradiated disarming it because Clark can't. She won't die, but she'll emit kryptonite radiation which will weaken Clark, thus allowing them never to be together. She'll leave to be a hero in her own right and Clark will have to move on with his life.

This is not great closure IMHO.

I'll be honest, half the time Clana killed me. It was actually painful to watch sometimes. But I accepted it was part of the story. And truthfully, I haven't minded the Clana since KK came back, because it was less annoying before tonight. But tonight the writing and storyline infuriated me.

Okay, so Lana leaves and comes back. Fine. She tells Clark she doesn't want to be with him and that maybe they aren't meant to be together. Fine. She came back just to get powers. Fine.

But when she gets that power, now she wants to be together with Clark? Because she is on the same footing and they are equals now?

What the bloody hell?

I am sorry. When Lana came back she seemed much more mature and I liked that. She wasn't like, "OMG, I need Clark!". Even in "Bulletproof", she didn't initiate any of that at the end. That was Clark. But now that she's on "equal footing" as Clark, now they can be together? Now she wants to be with him. Is it just me or is there something so wrong about that? It was a complete 360 from the last episode. Gone is the independent Lana Lang I had hoped for. No, she still has the same hang up as she did before, Clark. I know she plans to use her powers with Clark to help people, and that is admirable, but it's sad, you know? I hoped KK was coming back to show a more independent Lana, and tonight's episode makes her sound like she was envious of Clark's abilities and wanted to be an equal. And to be an equal she needs super-powers.

I'm sorry, I've waited for years to see a mature and adult Lana Lang, and this blows. I don't think you need super-powers to be someone's equal.

And to make matters worse, Lana is leaving in the next episode and it seems Clana will go into full effect until the end of "Requiem". And then going on from "Infamous" it's business as usual and Clois is coming back?

I dunno, this makes me a little annoyed. It makes Clark sound like a jerk. I know I'm jumping the gun a little, but I hope they give a few episodes for Clark to deal with what happens in "Requiem" so it doesn't make him sound like such a player. I think both ships deserve better. In fact, I'm prefer they just do small teases for Clois the rest of the season, show their friendship grow more, and then really address it next season. Because it's screwed up to jump to Clois right after tonight and what I suspect will happen next week.

Just my two cents.

End rant.


ITA with everything your just said.

[eas]

Okay, I've tried to be fair to Clois shippers and Clana shippers. I think all fans of the show should get some sort of payoff. I am not a shipper but I am a fan of the show and Clark and try to stay honest with what I am seeing.

But this episode pissed me off.

I know where this is heading. The preview for next week spoiled it for me. Lex or Toyman or someone is going to setup a dirty Kryptonite bomb in Metropolis and Lana is going to get irradiated disarming it because Clark can't. She won't die, but she'll emit kryptonite radiation which will weaken Clark, thus allowing them never to be together. She'll leave to be a hero in her own right and Clark will have to move on with his life.

This is not great closure IMHO.

I'll be honest, half the time Clana killed me. It was actually painful to watch sometimes. But I accepted it was part of the story. And truthfully, I haven't minded the Clana since KK came back, because it was less annoying before tonight. But tonight the writing and storyline infuriated me.

Okay, so Lana leaves and comes back. Fine. She tells Clark she doesn't want to be with him and that maybe they aren't meant to be together. Fine. She came back just to get powers. Fine.

But when she gets that power, now she wants to be together with Clark? Because she is on the same footing and they are equals now?

What the bloody hell?

I am sorry. When Lana came back she seemed much more mature and I liked that. She wasn't like, "OMG, I need Clark!". Even in "Bulletproof", she didn't initiate any of that at the end. That was Clark. But now that she's on "equal footing" as Clark, now they can be together? Now she wants to be with him. Is it just me or is there something so wrong about that? It was a complete 360 from the last episode. Gone is the independent Lana Lang I had hoped for. No, she still has the same hang up as she did before, Clark. I know she plans to use her powers with Clark to help people, and that is admirable, but it's sad, you know? I hoped KK was coming back to show a more independent Lana, and tonight's episode makes her sound like she was envious of Clark's abilities and wanted to be an equal. And to be an equal she needs super-powers.

I'm sorry, I've waited for years to see a mature and adult Lana Lang, and this blows. I don't think you need super-powers to be someone's equal.

And to make matters worse, Lana is leaving in the next episode and it seems Clana will go into full effect until the end of "Requiem". And then going on from "Infamous" it's business as usual and Clois is coming back?

I dunno, this makes me a little annoyed. It makes Clark sound like a jerk. I know I'm jumping the gun a little, but I hope they give a few episodes for Clark to deal with what happens in "Requiem" so it doesn't make him sound like such a player. I think both ships deserve better. In fact, I'm prefer they just do small teases for Clois the rest of the season, show their friendship grow more, and then really address it next season. Because it's screwed up to jump to Clois right after tonight and what I suspect will happen next week.

Just my two cents.

End rant.

Thank you... I agree with your rant.

Well... I was never sitting around and waiting for a more mature and cool Lana. I could do without her completely, to be honest. But, yes, I was OK with who Lana was since she came back. In "Bulletproof" I had no problems with her.

But this Lana? THIS is the girl that Clark Kent is madly in love with? A girl who couldn't be with him until or unless she had superpower and was his EQUAL? She had to run, hide, lie and fake him out until she could be on an equal footing and had all the powers he does? Give me a break.

And then for them to expect us to just go along with it when Clark is forced to break up with her & ends up loving Lois? Whatever... she's just... there... so he loves her.

How did a Clana fan put it to me? "If you can't be with the one you love, then love the one you're with."

Yeah, I happen to love SVLois and I don't think she deserves that particular sentiment... she'd be better off alone.

[SmallvilleMan]

I am sorry. When Lana came back she seemed much more mature and I liked that. She wasn't like, "OMG, I need Clark!". Even in "Bulletproof", she didn't initiate any of that at the end. That was Clark. But now that she's on "equal footing" as Clark, now they can be together? Now she wants to be with him. Is it just me or is there something so wrong about that? It was a complete 360 from the last episode. Gone is the independent Lana Lang I had hoped for. No, she still has the same hang up as she did before, Clark. I know she plans to use her powers with Clark to help people, and that is admirable, but it's sad, you know? I hoped KK was coming back to show a more independent Lana, and tonight's episode makes her sound like she was envious of Clark's abilities and wanted to be an equal. And to be an equal she needs super-powers.

She always wanted to be with Clark and even though she didn't "initiate" anything, she did want to be with him..........I don't see the problem with that..........And I don't see as envious of Clark's powers, but wanting to be equal with him........Just as Clark wanted to be human, its kind of reverse.

[eas]

Exactly how can Clark in "Hex" be ............... looking loving at Lois" if he has just had Lana leave again?:rolleyes:

We do have a spoiler that says........ Chloe realizes how HARD CLARK HAS FALLEN FOR LOIS" oh really when the hell did this happen?:\

Apparently, in "Offscreensville" where most of Clark and Lois's development takes place. It's also, incidentally, a better show than the one we're watching.

[Larel]

Okay, I've tried to be fair to Clois shippers and Clana shippers. I think all fans of the show should get some sort of payoff. I am not a shipper but I am a fan of the show and Clark and try to stay honest with what I am seeing.

But this episode pissed me off.

I know where this is heading. The preview for next week spoiled it for me. Lex or Toyman or someone is going to setup a dirty Kryptonite bomb in Metropolis and Lana is going to get irradiated disarming it because Clark can't. She won't die, but she'll emit kryptonite radiation which will weaken Clark, thus allowing them never to be together. She'll leave to be a hero in her own right and Clark will have to move on with his life.

This is not great closure IMHO.

I'll be honest, half the time Clana killed me. It was actually painful to watch sometimes. But I accepted it was part of the story. And truthfully, I haven't minded the Clana since KK came back, because it was less annoying before tonight. But tonight the writing and storyline infuriated me.

Okay, so Lana leaves and comes back. Fine. She tells Clark she doesn't want to be with him and that maybe they aren't meant to be together. Fine. She came back just to get powers. Fine.

But when she gets that power, now she wants to be together with Clark? Because she is on the same footing and they are equals now?

What the bloody hell?

I am sorry. When Lana came back she seemed much more mature and I liked that. She wasn't like, "OMG, I need Clark!". Even in "Bulletproof", she didn't initiate any of that at the end. That was Clark. But now that she's on "equal footing" as Clark, now they can be together? Now she wants to be with him. Is it just me or is there something so wrong about that? It was a complete 360 from the last episode. Gone is the independent Lana Lang I had hoped for. No, she still has the same hang up as she did before, Clark. I know she plans to use her powers with Clark to help people, and that is admirable, but it's sad, you know? I hoped KK was coming back to show a more independent Lana, and tonight's episode makes her sound like she was envious of Clark's abilities and wanted to be an equal. And to be an equal she needs super-powers.

I'm sorry, I've waited for years to see a mature and adult Lana Lang, and this blows. I don't think you need super-powers to be someone's equal.

And to make matters worse, Lana is leaving in the next episode and it seems Clana will go into full effect until the end of "Requiem". And then going on from "Infamous" it's business as usual and Clois is coming back?

I dunno, this makes me a little annoyed. It makes Clark sound like a jerk. I know I'm jumping the gun a little, but I hope they give a few episodes for Clark to deal with what happens in "Requiem" so it doesn't make him sound like such a player. I think both ships deserve better. In fact, I'm prefer they just do small teases for Clois the rest of the season, show their friendship grow more, and then really address it next season. Because it's screwed up to jump to Clois right after tonight and what I suspect will happen next week.

Just my two cents.

End rant.




Right it cannot end this way because that gives NO closure to Clana at all!
It only makes Lois look like the consolation prize when we all know she ends up the love of Clark's life for god sake!:rolleyes:

Ugh they so better show Clana as realizing they don't belong together & that as much as they loved each other it's time for them to move on without one another!

[SmallvilleMan]

But this Lana? THIS is the girl that Clark Kent is madly in love with? A girl who couldn't be with him until or unless she had superpower and was his EQUAL? She had to run, hide, lie and fake him out until she could be on an equal footing and had all the powers he does? Give me a break.


Or she was someone who saw it just wasn't working the way things were in season 7, so she needed a change.

[paolinki25]

Okay, I've tried to be fair to Clois shippers and Clana shippers. I think all fans of the show should get some sort of payoff. I am not a shipper but I am a fan of the show and Clark and try to stay honest with what I am seeing.

But this episode pissed me off.

I know where this is heading. The preview for next week spoiled it for me. Lex or Toyman or someone is going to setup a dirty Kryptonite bomb in Metropolis and Lana is going to get irradiated disarming it because Clark can't. She won't die, but she'll emit kryptonite radiation which will weaken Clark, thus allowing them never to be together. She'll leave to be a hero in her own right and Clark will have to move on with his life.

This is not great closure IMHO.

Exactly. This is the typical Lana Lang being portrayed as a martyr, sacrificing her life for the man she loves. In addition, this also, of course, will leave Clark feeling like crap, guilt-ridden and wondering for the rest of his life what could've been if Lana never got infected by Kryptonite. Like you said, this ain't closure AT ALL.

[Wicked Lois]

the best relationship done on this show was lollie!

Agree

[AndiGirl]

So....question to all Cloisers who are giving up.
This is a permanent thing for you all right??

Next week...or the week after that...or the week after that, I'm not going to see any of you gushing and back on board. Is that what you're saying??

[SmallvilleMan]

:lol:
Next week...or the week after that...or the week after that, I'm not going to see any of you gushing and back on board. Is that what you're saying??

Are you taking bets?

[myankskent]

So....question to all Cloisers who are giving up.
This is a permanent thing for you all right??

Next week...or the week after that...or the week after that, I'm not going to see any of you gushing and back on board. Is that what you're saying??

I'm not a Cloiser, but as someone who wouldn't have minded seeing that ship, barring a miracle next week with "Requiem", I will sound off every single week at how much I hate Clois if it happens after this latest Clana stint.

[theotherJane]

So....question to all Cloisers who are giving up.
This is a permanent thing for you all right??

Next week...or the week after that...or the week after that, I'm not going to see any of you gushing and back on board. Is that what you're saying??

I think you have to ask yourself the question, gushing about what exactly? Lois isn't gonna be around that much anyway.

[eas]

Exactly. This is the typical Lana Lang being portrayed as a martyr, sacrificing her life for the man she loves. In addition, this also, of course, will leave Clark feeling like crap, guilt-ridden and wondering for the rest of his life what could've been if Lana never got infected by Kryptonite. Like you said, this ain't closure AT ALL.

Yup... I hadn't even thought about his guilt issues. He'll never be able to get over her, anyway, because he'll always think her life sucks because of him.

Lovely. Just lovely.

[AndiGirl]

I'm not a Cloiser, but as someone who wouldn't have minded seeing that ship, barring a miracle next week with "Requiem", I will sound off every single week at how much I hate Clois if it happens after this latest Clana stint.

Really???
I guess I can understand that....just wanted to make sure we didnt just have a lot of angry cloisers taking over the boards. Who will instantly flip flop once something good comes along.

It would make cheering everyone up a lot easier! :lol:

[thehenry89]

Yup... I hadn't even thought about his guilt issues. He'll never be able to get over her, anyway, because he'll always think her life sucks because of him.

Lovely. Just lovely.

Or maybe it'll be like how he got over alicia in one episode :rolleyes: like we the viewers could be that lucky.

[BriannaWithridge]

I have no clue at all why they even started things with Clois if this was the direction they were going to go. If the message they are sending is that Clark can never get over Lana, EVER, then just sail that ship. I absolutely loathe it for Clark, and I think it does him a horrible disservice, but at least it doesn't drag in any other characters. Why they choose to go this route? I simply cannot fathom the thinking.


Yes, if they don't know how to do it with respect, so don't do it.

If they want to show that Clana is the story in SMALLVILLE, fine. But why drag Lois into this? Why make her fall? Why make Bride for god's sake?
I never liked Clana, but they kept far from Lois so I could watch without fell disrepected.
But tonight? I don't even have a excuse for that. I don't even have a word to say...

I just fell so sad for what they did with Clark. I love Lois, but a Love Clark deadly too and this Clark is so far from that Clark Kent that I love.:(

[Larel]

Yup... I hadn't even thought about his guilt issues. He'll never be able to get over her, anyway, because he'll always think her life sucks because of him.

Lovely. Just lovely.



I am starting to believe that this Clark Kent will never grow a backbone & if we are put through more Clark guilt over what may happen to Lana when she leaves then I may have to say so long to SV alltogether!

[eas]

So....question to all Cloisers who are giving up.
This is a permanent thing for you all right??

Next week...or the week after that...or the week after that, I'm not going to see any of you gushing and back on board. Is that what you're saying??

Well, I pretty much stopped being an SVCloiser after "Legion" aired and I've been pretty consistent about my anger over it all since.

So chances are pretty high that I will not be gushing if SVClois happens. I really have no reason to... because they killed it. I'm not one of those shippers that gets bones thrown my way and takes what I get. If the narrative doesn't make sense, then I don't go with it.

I love SVLois Lane. For the most part, I love SVClark Kent (having some issues with that today). But together? No, I don't think I ship them anymore because it doesn't make sense for Lois's character to take this "second hand Clark" from Lana.

[thehenry89]

I'm still a cloiser, an extremly irate pissed off cloiser...but a cloiser non the less.

[eas]

I never liked Clana, but they kept far from Lois so I could watch without fell disrepected.

BINGO.

I never enjoyed Clana (hated it, actually, from S4 onwards) but I could handle it, knowing that Lois was merrily off doing her own thing and Lois wasn't affected by it.

But now? They go out of the way to make Lois fall for Clark, have him acknowledge it, and then shove CLANA down our throats? And, in the process, they don't even have the decency to give us a Lois Lane episode that deals with the story from her side & have Clark need to deal with Lois, as well as Lana?

Give me a break.

[Wicked Lois]

IM not giving uo in clois... I am on Sv.

requiem smallville

[eas]

Or maybe it'll be like how he got over alicia in one episode :rolleyes: like we the viewers could be that lucky.

I hated that Clark did that. It made him look like a jerk.

If they make him fall in love with Lois by "Infamous" that's not real. It'll just serve to make him look like a jerk.

How is that good for anyone, least of all Lois or Clois?

[AndiGirl]

Well, I pretty much stopped being an SVCloiser after "Legion" aired and I've been pretty consistent about my anger over it all since.

So chances are pretty high that I will not be gushing if SVClois happens. I really have no reason to... because they killed it. I'm not one of those shippers that gets bones thrown my way and takes what I get. If the narrative doesn't make sense, then I don't go with it.

I love SVLois Lane. For the most part, I love SVClark Kent (having some issues with that today). But together? No, I don't think I ship them anymore because it doesn't make sense for Lois's character to take this "second hand Clark" from Lana.

Yea...I'm sorry Sana honey. :(
I wonder if the PS3 knows just how badly they messed up with this episodes?? They took it a few steps too far, and I think they lost a good portion of their Clois shippers.

[Fugoukakusha]

How much do y'all wanna bet that when Lois comes back she'll still be going over ga-ga towards Clark? Hahahaha. After this episode, I'm pretty sure that the PS3 will still add salts to the injury by making Lois that way. :mad:

[luvck]

A whole arc for Lana should not have been written in the first place. The characters were all written around her. I would have been fine if they had incorporated her into the current arcs and then they could have closed this chapter for both of the characters in an adult way.

PS3 took the easy way out in my opinion. They didn't have the guts to do it. That's why we are seeing what we are seeing. I think Lana will leave because they can't be together because of the Kryptonite as the post said above. It's sad really that they didn't take the chance and end it with respect to all of the characters and the future of the show. How is Clark going to move on from this? I just don't see it. Way to go PS3.

[theotherJane]

Well, I pretty much stopped being an SVCloiser after "Legion" aired and I've been pretty consistent about my anger over it all since.

So chances are pretty high that I will not be gushing if SVClois happens. I really have no reason to... because they killed it. I'm not one of those shippers that gets bones thrown my way and takes what I get. If the narrative doesn't make sense, then I don't go with it.

I love SVLois Lane. For the most part, I love SVClark Kent (having some issues with that today). But together? No, I don't think I ship them anymore because it doesn't make sense for Lois's character to take this "second hand Clark" from Lana.

I always thought that Clana was going to end on Clark's terms, like it rightfully should. But after watching next week's previews, my worst fears about this show were confirmed because it's very clear that's not gonna happen.

So I'm pretty much through with Clois. I'm not one of those Cloisers who blindly gushes over Clois, regardless of what happened before. Like most people on this board, I like to see consistency and solid writing. I just don't see how they can get back on track after this.

[borednow]

I just don't get it... what was the point of starting up the Clark and Lois relationship if THIS is what you were going to do with Lana's arc?

I get that KK had to come back to fulfill her 5 episode contract for you. That's great.

I also get that you had to have closure for the Clark & Lana relationship because they ended in such an abrupt way. And I also get that Clark and Lana are the main ship of Smallville & that KK has been the female lead for 7+ years.

I also understand that you love Lana Lang, PS3. AlMiles did and it's been obvious that you guys do, too. So I get that you find it impossible to think about anyone else when Lana is around... as long as she shines, the rest of the show can go down the toilet.

Yes, that's just lovely and I get it. I've been watching since Episode 1, Season 1 & I've become accustomed to trying to just catch glimpes of the "Clark Kent Show" in the hours and hours of "Lanaville", after all. SEVEN years of training under the AlMiles regime, right?

UNTIL SEASON EIGHT.

We came into S8 and you guys had all these great ideas. You just swept through the media and Comic Con and gave these impassioned interviews about how awesome this season was going to be.... it was exciting to see you guys so excited. You went on and on about how we were going to see the "Lois and Clark" of it all. We kept hearing about how much you had planned for them and how Chloe was going to get this great arc and really come into her own. We also heard about how much you love Erica and love Lois....

And, for awhile there, it seemed like you were living up to your promises. I mean, we'd burned before... AlMiles would promise stuff, too, and then never deliver. But we watched, in amazement, as the quality of the series actually went up and you DELIVERED on your promises!!

Until "Bride"... then, we watched IN HORROR as Clark Kent almost kissed his future wife and then promptly forgot she existed as soon as Lana Lang entered the room. But we clung to hope that Clark hadn't completely forgotten about all the brains he developed this season and he'd come to his senses.

Today? You proved to us that having hope that this show would be about Clark Kent is pointless. This is the "Lana Lang Show" and god help us if we havent' gotten the memo by now.

So, why'd you bring in Lois Lane, then, huh? You believe that Clark and Lana have this great love story? Great, leave LOIS out of it! You can go ahead and write the "Untold Story of Clark and Lana Lang" and re-write 70 years of Superman canon to suit your own end.... but why the HELL did you have to bring in Lois Lane and then (to rub salt on the wounds) have Lois fall in love with Clark while he's busy worshipping Lana Lang?

It wasn't bad enough that Lois is treated like crap on this show? A side character who barely gets any decent development and is treated like a comic relief more often than not? It wasn't bad enough that Clark - repeatedly - has loved another woman more than the woman who is supposed to be his SOUL MATE?

No, it wasn't enough, was it? You had to rub it in and really be obvious about it... just in case people who care about Lois Lane/Superman weren't understanding it enough. You made damn sure that you didn't waste KK's last 2 episodes and you made damn sure that EVERY Lois Lane fan understood that she will always be second best, never to be better than YOUR favorite - Lana Lang.

So, great. Good job. If it wasn't bad enough, you also desecrated the ONE freakin' thing that you hadn't messed up with Clark/Lois: The DP roof scene.

You know what I wish? I wish that you hadn't given us episodes like "Committed" or gave us such an awesome first half... because you showed us what SV could be and then, immediately, pulled it away and ruined it all. You showed us that you're capable of so much more than what you choose to give us.

Wow... yeah... this show took a dive in quality... I'm trying to watch power at the moment... but I cannot for the life of me care about any of it...

[eas]

How much do y'all wanna bet that when Lois comes back she'll still be going over ga-ga towards Clark? Hahahaha. After this episode, I'm pretty sure that the PS3 will still add salts to the injury by making Lois that way. :mad:

Yes, they will.... looks like Clana are going all the way & Lois won't be any the wiser... she'll probably be handed some crap like, "It didn't work out..." and she'll never know the extent of their relationship.

They'll show Lois pining away & Clark will either have forgotten all about Lana (which makes him a jerk) or he'll pine over her, but settle for Lois.

[TayLaneBloom]

for me, the hole Clana thing was easy to take. I couldn't understand, but a could take it. Could wach, believing in a better future.
when Lana was finally gone, a get really happy, imagine the perfect Clois moments that whare ahead of me.
and they came! with Committed, Bloodline, Instinct..
and then, they decided to bring Lana back, in th most stupid moment!
Clois wa hapening, and it was great, but they should never started it, if they inteant to bring Lana back and do all this 4 crapy episodes.

now, Clana is unberable to me.
because it's just desrespecting Lois's icon, that exist for 70 years.

[Deana]

So....question to all Cloisers who are giving up.
This is a permanent thing for you all right??

Next week...or the week after that...or the week after that, I'm not going to see any of you gushing and back on board. Is that what you're saying??I had made a decision to stop watching until Lois comes back after seeing the trailer for Power. My brother being off tonight was a surprise. He is the one who is fateful to Smallville. We had not watched it together in a long time because of his job so I decided to bite the bullet for nostalgia stake.

I can give up a show cold turkey though. It took just four episodes of Heroes this season for me to abandon it forever and I started watching that show from the beginning. I only started watching Smallville in Season Four because that introduced Lois and if I feel that the reason I am watching is being neglected or dissed I can and will stop watching.

[thehenry89]

I nearly retched when they kissed on the daily planet roof. I don't care if people say "I'm a hater" it was an absolute kick in the face to all cloisers.

[clana4everfan2]

Clana rules! :)

[amberdawn]

Clana rules! :)

Seriously? Why post that in here?

[minerva73]

I agree with Timester about Clois (from this season) all being from Lois' perspective. I mean, if we saw Clark pushing just as hard like Lois was in episodes like Identity or Bride, then it wouldn't seem so foolish to start it up. But Clark only reacted to what Lois did in those episodes and that's what got them in those situations... He didn't turn around quickly because Lois was there or he didn't smile to himself when Lois touched his chest...

At least AlMiles made Clark go and comfort Lois from the bottom of his heart and then have her reject him (like in Zod). :\

[Bizzaro Kyle]

They kept mentioning PS3 in the first few posts. what does it mean?

[dreamsofnever]

They kept mentioning PS3 in the first few posts. what does it mean?

Welcome to K-site, Kyle!

PS3=Peterson, Souders, Slavkin, Swimmer=the producers of Smallville. Let me know if you have any other questions :)

[Bizzaro Kyle]

Welcome to K-site, Kyle!

PS3=Peterson, Souders, Slavkin, Swimmer=the producers of Smallville. Let me know if you have any other questions :)

oh, clever :lol:

[mayumi]

i am going to continue watching because of ED as an actress not because of clois. i think its unfair that ED doesn't get treated well in the show especiall since she is a good actress and makes the show fun.

[Scrios]

This show is about Superman. Clark Kent is Superman. At least he's supposed to be. It doesn't matter that he's not there yet. He's taking the steps. SV's Clark Has been making horrendous mistakes throughout his past. Mistakes that, it seems, he never learns from. How are we supposed to believe this indecisive, irresponsible, and immature boy who pouts like a helpless two year old whenever the vision of his first love appears before him, will one day become the man worthy of the title Super. Lana Lang has held him back for so long. He fought against his destiny every single year, and all times were because of her.

How can we believe he will ever be the moral Superman when he can't distinguish morality beyond "Out of sight, out of mind"... and that's not just about women.

He conveniently forgets everything from the past that doesn't immediately pertain to his wants in the moment he wants them. And yet he "has a memory like a steel trap"?

I felt offended. I understand if PS3 had no intention of completely forwarding Lois and Clark's relationship. I mean, we all know that they end up together, but it is disgusting that he would start to feel something, only to regress, thereby disrespecting the love for his future wife, to have a fling with his past? And, yes, I call it a fling, because she will be leaving in the next episode.

If the only reason he doesn't stay with Lana is because of Kryptonite, than It would be completely offensive to the last 70 years of Lois and Clark's marriage in the Comics from which this series derives.

Superman loves Lois, and yet here? He is willing to kiss her, and forget about her the moment she's out of his line of sight. Amazing. It is a travesty. Clark Kent is supposed to be Superman, and yet he acts like a playboy. Lusting over Lois, and confused about Lana. It saddens me terribly.

I tell my children he's Superman, when I watch the show. I say I am watching Superman, when I am watching Clark. They are to be one and the same, and to me, it doesn't matter that it is the past.

Some people say he is not Superman yet, and we shouldn't expect mythos attributes, but that's just it. This is the show of Superman's past, not Clark Kent who will never be Superman. He is one and the same, not one or the other.

I am hurt, that Superman is displayed this way. This Clark Kent? He should be so lucky to have the love of Lois Lane. I hope she doesn't allow him to weasel his way back into her heart so easily, when she reappears, because a man who can be so fickle as to go back and forth between women is no Superman, he's a rat. Lois Lane is no ones consolation prize, and if he tries to use her as a crutch because he can't have his first love, then the rat is not worthy to be the Superman we all love and have adored for years.

It hurts me that a character I have loved since I was a very young child could be butchered so catastrophically. It pains me so.

[LOvInLoiSLaNe]

Agreed. I really wish someone on the smallville staff would read this.

[Jade4813]

So....question to all Cloisers who are giving up.
This is a permanent thing for you all right??

Next week...or the week after that...or the week after that, I'm not going to see any of you gushing and back on board. Is that what you're saying??

:lol: Well, to be fair, some people will. Law of averages works in that favor, I suppose.

But for me? No, I'm afraid not. Barring something insanely outlandish in the next episode - like this five-episode arc was all a bad dream Chloe had when she got her memories mucked with in "Abyss" (I didn't dislike all the episodes, but this is the only possible outlandish thing I could think of - and while it's outlandish, it's not very probable, is it?), I'm really not an SVClois shipper any longer. I wish I were, because I loved it while it lasted. And I adore ED.

But my thing is that I can't ship a couple if I don't like one half of it - either as a person or as a half in that couple. The latter is why I stopped shipping Chlark. I hit the point where I thought, "This is doing too much of a disservice to Chloe's character. I want her to move on and find someone who loves her as his number one, not as his fallback girl." I walked away from Chlark and I haven't looked back.

I don't like SVClark right now. Maybe I'll come to like him as a character again, but as a half of Clois? I'm afraid that's probably shot. Particularly if what seems to be the plot in "Requiem" ends up being the plot in truth.

So for some, I do think that some people will come back to Clois when Lois gets back. I'm sure all it takes is just forgetting these few episodes. But I can't, and I won't. Lois deserves better than this, and while I'd normally wish better for Clark, as well, than what he's setting himself up for...the fact of the matter is that he IS setting himself up for it. So he deserves the situation he puts himself in.

It's sad. In truth, they're doing Clana no favors, either. Because in a couple of episodes, Lana will be gone and they'll no doubt have Clark moving on to Lois with no problems, not pausing to grieve for the supposed "love of his life." *shrugs*

For me? Barring a partial lobotomy, I think I'm out for good. If I end up being wrong about that, though, feel free to hold it over my head and tease me mercilessly about it, Andi! :lol: ;)

[Mythosgirl]

I stayed away from the Lana arc until tonight. I won't be going back because Clark will be ruined for me (I think he might already be). Clark not Lois. So many of you have put into words my complete frustration with this. I really wish they had left Lois alone. It is such a kick in the teeth to have had her put so much on the line and he is pinning over his high school sweetheart..who broke his heart, lied etc...

[aBR]

I can't believe that this is going to be the mood of my first post.

I've lurked on this site for years as my post-Smallville fix after each episode, and I've enjoyed reading about how others felt after it airs.

I purposefully and carefully stay away from spoilers and have no idea where this is going, or going to be redeemed for that matter.

And so all I have to say now is ... sacrilege.

[__jb]

No need to ever watch this episode again...

[Mythosgirl]

WELCOME ABBY....thanks for posting. It has been a tough night for a lot of Clark fans. I just started posting and it was due to my frustration with this story arc. Some I have skipped and next week for the sake of my blood pressure I may skip again. Thanks for coming out even if it wasn't for fun....

[decaf]

I cant even find the words to describe this episode - great, wonderful ?? No I have got it The WORST EPISODE EVER _ forget Clois PS3 are CLueless when it comes to story lines.
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Timester]

And so they shouldn't have started it. Lois shouldn't have had feelings for him.

Hell, Lois shouldn't even be there. Lex Luthor shouldn't be there. Doomsday, Zod, Brianiac... none of them should be there.

Lex, Zod and Brainiac were part of the Superboy's comics. But it's just a nitpicking.


He should be sitting at the farm, doing his chores, and going on a date with the sweet and innocent Lana Lang to the movies.

But... wait... that's not the show we've been watching for the past five years.

That argument? Went out the window in S4. The second Lois Lane walked into Clark Kent's life, none of that matters anymore. Clark's past? Is his present.

And so I won't hear that as an "excuse" anymore. Either they keep his future stuff out of the story or the incorporate it in a way that doesn't ruin the original story.

Simple as that.

You know as well as me that it doesn't work that way. It simply doesn't. We have 7 years of show to prove that.

It's about being pragmatic. All that you said, I already said, back in season 4. Now? I just don't care anymore.

And people think I'm crazy for wanting the end of the show. People took granted what PS3 were doing this season. I never did, I tried to warn you all. Yet, I praise them at the same time. Beside this Lana arc (I barely call it Clana, since kisses I saw alot in the past), they gave EVERYTHING that people wanted.

[you_smell_terrific]

Wow. I only caught the last half an hour of tonight's episode and I'm not sure if I even want to watch the first half. I was so disgusted by what they have turned this show into. I have been an obsessive smallville fan for a few years now (not since the beginning, but long enough) and it has gone completely down hill. I've honest to god completely blanked out season 7 from my memory. I just pretend that never happened. Apparently I'm going to have to do the same thing with these damn Lana episodes as well.

Closure my mother effing ass! If I were Tom I would give up on the show here and now. It is pathetic and disrespectful what they have done with his character. Up until now I've given many excuses in defense of this show. "Smallville has it's own set of mythos", etc. But these past few episodes have shown that this show is about Lana ******* Lang and that the writers idea of 'closure' is completely warped.

I think we send thousands of letters to ps3 that just have the definition of closure in them. Maybe they would get the picture -.-

Think of the Clana relationship as a scab. Every time they get back together the scab is scratched off again. Clana goes away for a good part of the season and the scab begins to heal up. Just when it would be believable that the scab would be almost completely healed and ready to leave a faint scar, they backtrack and are once again madly in love with each other and the scab is ripped open once again. It's now going to take the rest of the season for it to be believable that the scab could ever heal again.

I literally want to punch something right now. They've essentially ruined the rest of the season by backtracking to this drama ********. We had something going and it actually seemed like Clark was moving on. Now we're back to the same lovesick crying Clark that we had at the end of Lana's Dear John video. And of course when she leaves, she'll go out looking like a saint because they decided to make her this hero martyr that gives up her man for her selfless goal of saving the world. BS

If this ends up being the last season I will be thoroughly disgusted that I wasted this many years of my life on a show that was only going to **** on me in the end.

I'll still watch the show because I'm a loyal fan, but seriously, **** you ps3

/rant

[Kal-ed]

I disagree. Clark was in the wrong to go in for that kiss but IMO it was because he was lonely and at a wedding where it makes you realize how alone you actually are. But he has never had feelings for Lois, nor has he ever, besides the almost kiss, showed her he's had feelings for her.

Guess you missed Comitment and Instict, as much as people who ship Clark with someone else want to believe it, the fact is that it was shown that Clark was starting to see Lois in a nother light, maybe not in love like Lois but to say he has never felt anything or that he has never showed, is simply wrong. Believe me, I wish he hadnt, I wish Commited and Instict and Bride (or at least the Clois parts of them) never happened but unfortunately it did.

[Dustmite]

I agree with Timester about Clois (from this season) all being from Lois' perspective. I mean, if we saw Clark pushing just as hard like Lois was in episodes like Identity or Bride, then it wouldn't seem so foolish to start it up. But Clark only reacted to what Lois did in those episodes and that's what got them in those situations... He didn't turn around quickly because Lois was there or he didn't smile to himself when Lois touched his chest...

I agree.

And the reason we're in the situation that we are is because PS3 couldn't keep romance out of it. They knew by their own admission what they were going to do with Clana when Lana came back so they shouldn't have started anything with anyone until she had come and gone. Nothing at all. They should have left alone but it seems they are incapable of doing that.

Not that it matters anyway. This episode proved that Lana is the love of Clark's life. No one else can or will match up :rolleyes:

[Scribe]

I don't know....

Initially - I was feeling just as much vitriol as the rest of the fans but having watched the whole thing now - I still think we're on track for their eventual breakup next episode. Some saw it as Clark regressing but I'm not entirely convinced. Clark does love Lana and there's just too much history between them for him to just discard the relationship, when he isn't sure what he feels for Lois yet. Look I love Mad Dog Lane like any other shipper but the difference between Lois and Lana is Lois doesn't like to show weakness and to her detriment, has given Clark no reason to think that she is deeply infatuated with him. All there are as far as he is concerned is embers and he's not had proper closure with Lana. Yes, this episode muddied the water a bit and knowing that she didn't willingly run out on him has thrown Clark's opinion of Lana off kilter a bit. He knows now just what she's willing to do to be with him but I think (or rather hope), that by next episode he's going to see how different she is than the girl he's imagined to be. Lana has evolved into something extremely different and that might be what finally tells Clark that this isn't going to work between them. She's made morally ambigious choices that he's trying to live with because he knows he is part of the reason for them but I dont' think he'll be able to live them in the long run.

[Farm_Girl]

Dear PS3

I have been a fan of Smallville since Episode 1 season 1. I’ve never felt more cheated, more disappointed and more aggravated with this show than I have in this four episode horror Assassinate Clark Kent’s characters and morals arc.

Was this to mock the Superman fans? Was this to ridicule the Clark Kent fans? Or was this to slam the door on Lois Lane fans? Can you please tell me? And we thought that Al & Miles were worst when it came to Lana worship.

Season 8 started on a high note. Episodes like Odyssey, Prey and Identity were great milestones in Clark Kent’s development as a hero that we assumed he will become. Then there were other episodes like Instinct, Committed and Bloodline that marked the beginnings of his epic romance with Lois Joanne Lane, a romance that has been loved and cherished for 70 years, because it is a tale of love and devotion between two completely different characters from two different worlds. Welling and Durance are the most beautiful people to ever play Clark and Lois and their chemistry is just so sparkling and flawless that every scene with these two in it always has been a joy to watch since Crusade. We fans have been dreaming how wonderful it would be when the iconic romance will finally begin between these two characters.

Last year, we had lost all hope of Lois and Clark’s relationship ever getting touched in Smallville and Clark ever becoming anything remotely close to Superman. But S8 gave us hope. You people gave us hope, so you could finally do more damage than Al Miles ever could have done, because they never started the romance between Lois and Clark. At least they had that much respect for Lois and Clark that while they could not get over their Lana worship, they did not involve Lois in the mess and left it to the viewers’ imagination that someday this ‘teenage boy’ will grow up and love the woman that Superman is supposed to fall for.

We thought that S8 will be the season for Superman fans, for Lois fans, but alas, we were in for more disappointment and pain than Al Miles could ever manage to give us. First the mythos got twisted around by Lois falling for Clark first, then, just when we saw the glimpses that Clark is finally falling for the right woman, the disaster that sank the ratings and alienated the viewers from this show makes a return. Why did you touch the Lois and Clark romance if you had to shred not only the epic romance into pieces but to kill Clark’s dignity and morals completely in the process? Will this guy become Superman? He’s not even a man! He’s just a whiny teenage girl. Yes, that’s what he is. He doesn’t deserve Lois.

Why should he? He gave false hopes to her, and while she’s gone, he’s kissing and sleeping with his ex, the woman who left him to marry his arch enemy, the woman who could not even tell the difference between him and his evil clone, the woman who loves no one but herself. And this super power crap? Do you honestly think you can shove See how wonderful Lana Lang is down our throats and we’ll believe you?

Why did Clark show interest in having a relationship with Lois when he had to dump her for his ex the moment she walked in? And are we to believe that this man will ever be sincere with Lois? He’s not even sincere and honest to himself.

What did Lois do to deserve this from Clark? Can you tell us? Why did you treat this legendary character like crap? Lois is a second best to whom? Lana Lang who’s made up of nothing but lies? Sorry, I disagree to take it anymore. Lois Lane is second to no one.

In every incarnation of Superman, where Clark Kent actually is Superman and has morals, sense of right and wrong, ethics and principals, he falls madly in love with Lois. There is no past history with a great love of his life who could not be with him because she’s covered in Kryptonite. NO!! Clark Kent falls for Lois Lane because he wants to love her, to be with her. Lois Lane falls for Clark because she loves him for his principles and his simplicity.

This Lois has fallen for Clark for all the right reasons but this Clark? Does not deserve Lois!! He does not deserve any great woman. He deserves Lana only. Because he has no morals. He has no qualms about breaking Lois’s heart.

So dear PS3, please keep this Clark away from Lois. I am not interested in Clark or his journey anymore. I can never believe that this man can stand for truth and justice because he does not even know the meaning of these words. He wants to be lied to, how can he love truth? He wants to be with a woman who has no sense of right and wrong, how can he love justice?

Forget even Lois and Clark for a moment, just how pathetic have you made Clark? You’ve regressed his character to a point from where he can never recover.

I will watch the episodes with Erica Durance because I simply love and adore her. I will watch for Lois Lane but please, don’t further the relationship between Lois and Clark anymore. I don’t want that fickle man and a failure of a character and disaster of a hero to be anywhere near Lois. Because the only reason Lois and Clark end up together in all incarnations of Superman is that they sincerely and deeply fall in love with each other. YOU can never make that believable with the joke that you’ve created with Clark Kent, so please don’t even bother.

Thanks a lot.

PS: Will not watch Requiem. Cannot digest any more massacres of Clark’s character and morals.

[Timester]

I'm not a Cloiser, but as someone who wouldn't have minded seeing that ship, barring a miracle next week with "Requiem", I will sound off every single week at how much I hate Clois if it happens after this latest Clana stint.

I'll join you.

Down with the ships, matey! Yarr! :p

[Kton4]

Are you serious???!!! This season has been great, and the writers know that. Just wait until next weeks episode. The Lana story needs to have an awesome ending, and thats what they are setting up for her. Stop being crazy over one episode.

[LoveHurts38]

To get Cloisers to watch.

Well, this Cloiser is not going to watch the next episode.

[Mythosgirl]

Well, this Cloiser is not going to watch the next episode.

Neither is this one. Last night was the one I watched of this arc and it was 1 too many. See you on the sidelines.

[eas]

Guess you missed Comitment and Instict, as much as people who ship Clark with someone else want to believe it, the fact is that it was shown that Clark was starting to see Lois in a nother light, maybe not in love like Lois but to say he has never felt anything or that he has never showed, is simply wrong. Believe me, I wish he hadnt, I wish Commited and Instict and Bride (or at least the Clois parts of them) never happened but unfortunately it did.

Yes, unfortunately, I have to agree with you.

Not only that, in "Bride", HE'S the one who went after her when she walking off the dance floor. He's the one who asked her to come closer to him and help him with his cufflinks (clearly flirting) when he saw her and got attracted to her. And he was leaning in for the kiss as much as she was. :(

And - then - in "Bulletproof" he doesn't deny Chloe's words about Lois. Usually, he denies, denies, denies, that anything could happen between them. He didn't do that in "Bulletproof", so that further shows that he's put Lois in a different category now.

I so wish that wasn't the case! I wish Lois was still dating Ollie & she was away from all this Clana crap.

Let Clark have Lana. Let Lana be the Lois Lane of "Smallville"... just keep the real Lois Lane out of it!!!!

[myankskent]

One of the things that really bothers me is that Clark was the one who started this latest Clana stint. I don't think that Lana would've behaved the way she did in "Power" had Clark not kissed her in "Bulletproof". The kiss pretty much gave Lana the impression that Clark still loved Lana so that is why she took the suit and wanted to be with Clark at the end of "Power". Had Clark not kissed her, Lana probably would've just made sure that Lex never got his hands on the suit, put Tess in her place and left Smallville thinking that it was over between her and Clark.

[devilicus rebel]

I agree with most everyone here in that I think they are taking some huge steps backward with these last few episodes. I do not understand what the point of setting up Clois for the first half of the season was if they are just going to destroy it all in 2-3 episodes. I am a huge Clois fan and I really liked where they were taking the show. Now, I am just hoping that from "Infamous" onward will be so amazing that I won't even remember this Clana horror.

[zar33n]

I'm so disappointed with where this show is heading now. I won't be satisfied with any kind of Clois until Clark is presented with Lois and Lana, and he is able to choose Lois without a second thought. That's never going to happen in SV, is it? Lois is not some rebound girl and she certainly isn't someone who's going to be with Clark if he's still hung up on Lana. She doesn't pine. They better not have her return like that.

[eas]

This show is about Superman. Clark Kent is Superman. At least he's supposed to be. It doesn't matter that he's not there yet. He's taking the steps.

[...]

Superman loves Lois, and yet here? He is willing to kiss her, and forget about her the moment she's out of his line of sight. Amazing. It is a travesty. Clark Kent is supposed to be Superman, and yet he acts like a playboy. Lusting over Lois, and confused about Lana. It saddens me terribly.

I tell my children he's Superman, when I watch the show. I say I am watching Superman, when I am watching Clark. They are to be one and the same, and to me, it doesn't matter that it is the past.

Some people say he is not Superman yet, and we shouldn't expect mythos attributes, but that's just it. This is the show of Superman's past, not Clark Kent who will never be Superman. He is one and the same, not one or the other.

I am hurt, that Superman is displayed this way. This Clark Kent? He should be so lucky to have the love of Lois Lane. I hope she doesn't allow him to weasel his way back into her heart so easily, when she reappears, because a man who can be so fickle as to go back and forth between women is no Superman, he's a rat. Lois Lane is no ones consolation prize, and if he tries to use her as a crutch because he can't have his first love, then the rat is not worthy to be the Superman we all love and have adored for years.

It hurts me that a character I have loved since I was a very young child could be butchered so catastrophically. It pains me so.

Thank you!!! So well put.

People keeping saying that this is Clark's past & that he's not Superman, yet. And I just don't get it. Being Superman is not a "lightswitch" for Clark Kent. Superman is more than just some tights and flights.

It's the moral CORE of Clark Kent that makes him such an awesome Superman. You screw that up, then there's not point in telling us that this man will become Superman in the future.

It's the same with the Lois/Clark relationship: If you screw it up in the PRESENT, then it's impossible to believe that it'll be ok in the FUTURE.

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I can't believe that this is going to be the mood of my first post.

I've lurked on this site for years as my post-Smallville fix after each episode, and I've enjoyed reading about how others felt after it airs.

I purposefully and carefully stay away from spoilers and have no idea where this is going, or going to be redeemed for that matter.

And so all I have to say now is ... sacrilege.

Welcome to K-Site and I'm also sorry that your first post was in response to this horrible episode.

[miks]

Guess you missed Comitment and Instict, as much as people who ship Clark with someone else want to believe it, the fact is that it was shown that Clark was starting to see Lois in a nother light, maybe not in love like Lois but to say he has never felt anything or that he has never showed, is simply wrong. Believe me, I wish he hadnt, I wish Commited and Instict and Bride (or at least the Clois parts of them) never happened but unfortunately it did.

I didn't miss anything. It's your POV that Clark was starting to feel something. A lot of people believe it was one sided, INCLUDING Cloisers. Don't state your opinion as fact. Unless you can read the minds of Clark and PS3 then it was one sided. With this ship I only believe what I see on the screen; I don't delve further in and fanwank that Clark was really thinking this or that. Clark hasn't been clear on anything; but it's been clear that he hasn't said one thing about him liking Lois like that. And that has nothing to do with who I ship.

[justme_007]

Welcome to what TPTB has done with Clana for the past 7 years!

Teased us with Clana getting together, and then we find out that Lana is with Jason and then we find out Lana is with Lex!

Suck it up. Clana's had to.



Exactly.

Exactly,. Cloisers only had went through this situation once and they are complaning about that. What about us... Clana fans? This show is supposed to be about smallville not metropolis. about lana and clark and not lois and clark.

[miks]

You guys think you have it bad? Chlark has never even been given a real shot because of one person or another! We've had to endure that for 7+ years.

[eas]

You know as well as me that it doesn't work that way. It simply doesn't. We have 7 years of show to prove that.

It's about being pragmatic. All that you said, I already said, back in season 4. Now? I just don't care anymore.

And people think I'm crazy for wanting the end of the show. People took granted what PS3 were doing this season. I never did, I tried to warn you all. Yet, I praise them at the same time. Beside this Lana arc (I barely call it Clana, since kisses I saw alot in the past), they gave EVERYTHING that people wanted.

It should work that way -- and that's why I'm posting my frustration and anger. They do Clark a disservice to pander to Lana's character.

I loved this show even before it aired. I was driving down the 405 in Los Angeles and I saw a billboard with Welling hanging from the posts in a Kansas cornfield. The word "Smallville" was plastered across the board and he had an "S" on his chest. I immediately knew - with that image alone - that this show was about a young Clark Kent, growing up in hometown. I didn't know who Welling was, I didn't know who Kruek was... I had a vague notion that Clark once dated a girl named Lana Lang. But I knew that his destiny was with Lois Lane and, ironically, I was confused when I realized that Lois wasn't in the Pilot. But I still loved the show because it was about a young Clark Kent.

They played me. They really did. That billboard should have had Kruek's image plastered on it and it should have said, "Lanaville". Because that's what we've been watching all these years.

Everything they the first half of the season was a lie, because they had no choice but to do with when KK wasn't there. The second she walked back on set, they threw out all the stories, all the build-up, and everything that they'd worked so hard to establish. Why? To focus on Lana's character and make sure that HER story was taken care of...

And that's wrong. Why should we make excuses for them and say, "That's just how it is"???

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Exactly,. Cloisers only had went through this situation once and they are complaning about that. What about us... Clana fans? This show is supposed to be about smallville not metropolis. about lana and clark and not lois and clark.

No, this show is supposed to be about CLARK KENT. Metropolis, Lois Lane, and Superman are a huge part of who is....

This is not a show that exists on its own, with an original plot (like "Melrose Place" or "Charmed"). It is an ADAPTATION of an existing story. And source material doesn't place Lana Lang as that important of a character.

This show? It makes Lana the most important character in the story. I don't understand why any Lana fan would be unhappy with this.

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I don't know....

Initially - I was feeling just as much vitriol as the rest of the fans but having watched the whole thing now - I still think we're on track for their eventual breakup next episode. Some saw it as Clark regressing but I'm not entirely convinced. Clark does love Lana and there's just too much history between them for him to just discard the relationship, when he isn't sure what he feels for Lois yet. Look I love Mad Dog Lane like any other shipper but the difference between Lois and Lana is Lois doesn't like to show weakness and to her detriment, has given Clark no reason to think that she is deeply infatuated with him. All there are as far as he is concerned is embers and he's not had proper closure with Lana. Yes, this episode muddied the water a bit and knowing that she didn't willingly run out on him has thrown Clark's opinion of Lana off kilter a bit. He knows now just what she's willing to do to be with him but I think (or rather hope), that by next episode he's going to see how different she is than the girl he's imagined to be. Lana has evolved into something extremely different and that might be what finally tells Clark that this isn't going to work between them. She's made morally ambigious choices that he's trying to live with because he knows he is part of the reason for them but I dont' think he'll be able to live them in the long run.

If it goes down the way that "Requiem" trailer suggests, then Clark won't be given the CHOICE to not live with them in the long run. That choice will be taken away from him and Lana will always be the girl "that got away".

Which means that whenever he chooses Lois as his wife and partner, it's soiled by the fact that he would rather have been with Lana, if he was given a chance.

[Nerwen Aldarion]

I hated this episode as much as the next person and too agree that it was ridiculous to spend the first half of the season getting Clark over Lana only back track like this. I thought he would realize once and for all she wasn't for him but alas sadly I didn't get what I wished for.

Unfortunatley I would like to adress some Clois shippers about their treatment of Clois this season. I don't understand why Clois fans are upset that they are having Lois first have feelings for Clark, in some incarnations of the comics it has worked that way. Lois has feeling for Clark first and he doesn't notice.

Sure the famous version is Lois falling for Superman and dorky Clark being gaga in love, as much as I love Christopher Reeves and the Supman Mythos I do prefer having a manly Clark as opposed to the buffoon he was portrayed in them movies.

This show is showing a new side to the mythos that I love, now Clark is in Metropolis, working at the Planet. This is in every incarnation, the time when he falls for Lois, when he starts to realize his destiny to be a hero, by having Lois fall for him first makes this show a bit more modern which in my opnion makes it that much better.

[chumpy]

The episode "Power" last night was a joke plain and simple. Everything that was built up this year has been cheapened beyond belief. If they had pulled this **** last year it would have been the status quo and we would have cringed but rolled with it. But with the new direction of the show we had faith that the new showrunners were finally going to move behind the high school melodrama and give us the young Superman series that we had all signed on for. Last night was just regression run amok. You claim to have many more stories to tell that justify a season 9 for Smallville. Really? Because if last night's episode was any inclination of what you had in mind...I'll pass. Been there - done that for 8 years.

How can the producers justify having dropped a main character that played an important role in the initial arc of the season; backtrack and create an entirely new arc that completely undoes all that was accomplished? Is there any other show that would randomly have a main character disappear for 5 episodes? No.

Once Lois Lane became a viable love interest as a storyline and once there were feelings that apparently EVERYONE is aware of, this **** is no longer acceptable in any fashion. It wasn't good enough that the former showrunners had Clark kidnap a pregnant and married Lana Lang? Or that the supposed love of his life, Lana Lang, has the most skewed moral compass ever? You guys have ruined Superman for an entire generation. Good job. Your ratings improved this year because you fooled us into thinking there would be a change. You gave countless interviews about how the new season was going to be fresh and new, but after the fifth episode you all disappeared because you no doubt expected this **** storm.

As one of your loyal fans of the past 8 years, I deserved better...we all deserved better than this piss poor incarnation that you like to call Clark Kent.

Shame on you.

[myankskent]

If it goes down the way that "Requiem" trailer suggests, then Clark won't be given the CHOICE to not live with them in the long run. That choice will be taken away from him and Lana will always be the girl "that got away".


And if it does play out this way, which I'm pretty certain it will, TPTB should pay KK whatever she wants and have her return next season to end up with Clark. See, the problem is that as bad as Clark looks now, if he moves on to another girl, especially Lois, he'll look ten times worse. That's where we're at right now with this show after watching 8 seasons of Clana and it doesn't surprise me because when you spend so much time concentrating on one couple, you have to live and die with that couple. You can't introduce another couple and try to convince everyone that the original couple that got all of the attention never existed. 160+ episodes proves that to be false.

[supes0]

And if it does play out this way, which I'm pretty certain it will, TPTB should pay KK whatever she wants and have her return next season to end up with Clark.

I agree. The multiverse is back, why not just let Clark & Lana live happily ever after? It makes the most sense after what we saw in Power.

I was one of those optimistic Clark & Lana would find dignified closure. I was wrong. Leave Lois out of this mess, let her move forward and find her own destiny, not chained to this fickle boy.

[Sunny8]

If it goes down the way that "Requiem" trailer suggests, then Clark won't be given the CHOICE to not live with them in the long run. That choice will be taken away from him and Lana will always be the girl "that got away".

Why do people think that Lois will be with this SV Clark Kent if he really wants to be with Lana? If SV can make Lana "the girl that got away" (when we know that isn't true) then why can't Lois be like the real Lois would be and choose not to be with this SV Clark Kent? There are other men and super hero's out there that would love Lois and that would not just want her by default. Only a desperate women would take this Clark Kent if he really does not want her but wants Lana instead. Lois does not strike me as a desperate woman. Though it would hurt her to do so, Lois Lane would cut her losses and move on just like she did with Oliver Queen. Unless, of course, SV is trying to damage Lois' character (like they did with Clark) and totally changed her into someone else who would accept the crumbs left behind by Lana.

[Cloisfantastic]

Why? WHY is my question? IF it was meant to happen, if you want to send Lana off as a hero, do it as much as you want, everyone will applaud and wave her good bye, because she has been the important part of Clark's life, especially as it's been shown on SV, we all got it. The last seasons, it was made clear, several times, that this relationship DOESN'T work. Clark didn't even acknowledged loving her, Lana has shown her "many" sided personality when even Clark looked at her like she was a complete stranger to him. She was married to his enemy, preferred him to Bizarro and so on. He realized that. Some moments almost made everyone believe he'd have enough. So again - WHY? It was making perfect sense, they didn't work. You've shown Lois LANE, falling in love with her future husband. You have shown the glimpses of Clark's feelings towards Lois, who is brought to the show in the first place...why?
To completely erase it in this episode. Back to my question.
WHY? Did you do that for?
Miss a perfect opportunity to have a loving closure, of two people who aren't meant to be, but willing to be friends. That Clark FOR a CHANGE tells her he'd moved on, because that's what he did, in the eyes of the fans, this season.
This doesn't make any sense, at all.
WHY did you choose this way, can you tell me?

[EricaIsGr8t]

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mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-qformat:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; mso-para-margin-top:0cm; mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> I have been an avid viewer of Smallville for 8 years, Thursdays being the highlight of my week solely because of this show. Yet all that was dashed with just one episode. I have never been stuck completely speechless upon watching an episode but this episode rendered me completely thunderstruck. I would really like an explanation as to how I am supposed to believe that this incarnation of Clark Kent is going to become Superman.
The fist half of the season showed glimpses of the man who would one day dawn the The suit. It got me excited again for Smallville like I haven’t for a very long time, but all that progress was erased the moment Lana returned. Clark has gone back to being an insecure teenage who only wants one thing, Lana Lang. This in itself would not be an issue if the woman in question had not been painted as selfish, power hungry and insecure and then retconed to be a paragon of virtue the next minute. You would think that he would realise after 7 years of this rubbish that their relationship is dysfunctional and the only way she can be with any man is if she is his equal. Simply pathetic!
Yet I am supposed to believe that this boy (I can no longer call him a man) who was about to kiss Lois Lane one moment and then jumps into Lana’s bed (as seen in the trailer for Requiem) the next is a hero. Please do us all a favour and keep him far away from Lois from now on. I don’t want to see the legendary love of Lois and Clark to be tainted any more than it already has, although what you have already done is inconceivable and utterly unforgivable.
Congratulations PS3!

[Sunny8]

And if it does play out this way, which I'm pretty certain it will, TPTB should pay KK whatever she wants and have her return next season to end up with Clark. See, the problem is that as bad as Clark looks now, if he moves on to another girl, especially Lois, he'll look ten times worse. That's where we're at right now with this show after watching 8 seasons of Clana and it doesn't surprise me because when you spend so much time concentrating on one couple, you have to live and die with that couple. You can't introduce another couple and try to convince everyone that the original couple that got all of the attention never existed. 160+ episodes proves that to be false.

But we got Lana and Clark together in season 7 and it just did not work. They could not make it work. All we would get, if the series continued, is a repeat of the Clana rollarcoaster that has been played for 8 years. Except now they are adults. What is different this time that would make them stay together?

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I agree. The multiverse is back, why not just let Clark & Lana live happily ever after? It makes the most sense after what we saw in Power.

I was one of those optimistic Clark & Lana would find dignified closure. I was wrong. Leave Lois out of this mess, let her move forward and find her own destiny, not chained to this fickle boy.

I agree. How sad. I don't want Lois with this Clark Kent. At least not the way he is now. And the thing about is that he never really seemed, to me, that happy with Lana. There relationship is clouded with sadness. It's like Clark was going to make that happen no matter what. Also, he hasn't been anywhere except Smallville so he knows nothing except Lana and his small little world. His tastes are still those of a teenager. Lois needs a man. Let Lana have the mentally stunted teen. Anyway, I couldn't even see this Clark with Lois if he remains that same as he is in 'Power'.

[Mythosgirl]

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The fist half of the season showed glimpses of the man who would one day dawn the The suit. It got me excited again for Smallville like I haven’t for a very long time, but all that progress was erased the moment Lana returned. Clark has gone back to being an insecure teenage who only wants one thing, Lana Lang. This in itself would not be an issue if the woman in question had not been painted as selfish, power hungry and insecure and then retconed to be a paragon of virtue the next minute. You would think that he would realise after 7 years of this rubbish that their relationship is dysfunctional and the only way she can be with any man is if she is his equal. Simply pathetic!
Yet I am supposed to believe that this boy (I can no longer call him a man) who was about to kiss Lois Lane one moment and then jumps into Lana’s bed (as seen in the trailer for Requiem) the next is a hero. Please do us all a favour and keep him far away from Lois from now on. I don’t want to see the legendary love of Lois and Clark to be tainted any more than it already has, although what you have already done is inconceivable and utterly unforgivable.
Congratulations PS3!

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[pjack]

I posted this in another thread but..



Its funny that people think somene can't be in love with more than 1 person. It happens all the time in the REAL world so why can't he have feelings for Lana and Lois. He is not one directional and just because he still has feeling for Lana doesn't mean it will be awkard for him to get back to the near kiss they almost had.
Everyone is so stuck on it being like the mythos or its not Superman etc etc. It has not been like Superman/Superboy since Season 1 Episode 1. So why is there such a surprise now. Just enjoy it for what it is and this rendition of the the Superman story.
This wasn't the greatest episode but its not a deal breaker for me. I still like the overall show.
Some people take things too seriously and too hard. After all the complaining going around, you will be sorry if it gets better later on this season and when you're hoping for S9, CW yanks it for fear of low ratings next year. Keep watching, every season had a few bad ones.

[myankskent]

But we got Lana and Clark together in season 7 and it just did not work. They could not make it work.


I'm going to have to disagree with that. In season 7, rather than having Clana breakup as a result of everything that went on in the first half of the season, they decided to stay together because it was something that they wanted to do. Then came Brainiac who interfered with that plan. My point is, TPTB have come back to Clana so many times on this show that it's really hard to argue against the fact that these two people really want to be together. I mean really, how much more evidence is needed to support the idea that they both love each other? What they did in season 8 sealed it for me. I will not be happy if Clark decides to be with someone else because he can't have Lana.

[RedKRules]

To tease Cloisers ?? :confused:

[davidbrenton]

Not sadism, tease. Clois was NEVER going to happen, I knew this all along.

My eyes! My eyes!!!!

Please tell me he's joking.

[Bizarrolover]

I think it was done for a reason. They built up the Clois, a place where Clark feels happy and angst free after Lana superhero wannabe stuff ends and Lois comes back, Clark will say, 'wow, at last someone who is normal'.

[Guidron]

I'm finding it hard to put into words how I've been feeling about this season. On one hand, for the episodes up until the end of Bride, I was feeling that this was the best season yet. Clark was finally maturing into someone that I could believe would one day be the man of steel.

I was tentative about the idea of bringing Lana back from the first time I heard of it, yet I also held out hope that the new team behind Smallville could bring her back and do it right. There could finally be proper closure to the Clana relationship and they could go their separate ways happily.

Clark wanted to discuss things with her. OK. Clark has the old feelings stirring up again after seeing Lana. OK. Clark gets a bashing from Chloe and openly admits to knowing that there's something between him and Lois. GOOD. Then Clark goes and chases after Lana again claiming 'what if the world didn't have to come first?' W.T.F? Okay... perhaps he's just confused... He Kisses Lana... W.T.F? Then Clark is right back in Lana's personal bodyguard mode... I can protect her, I could save her, I want to be with her. W.T.F? How can someone fall so far in such a short time? I have nothing against Kristen or really Lana's character, but the way that these past few episodes have been written has been questionable to put it nicely (perhaps too nicely). As many have said before me in this thread, it's like Clark has regressed 3 years in the past 3 episodes. Lana walks back on the scene and we have the whiny, selfish, lovesick version of Clark walking around the streets of Metropolis again... oh wait, no we don't... he's actually back on the farm... does he even still work at the DP? What happened to the man that was finally striking out on his own? That was making a real difference in Metropolis and looking like a real hero?

I've invested too much time to completely give up on the show now, but man... how they are going to 'BELIEVABLY' fix this mess I have no idea. How are Lois and Clark supposed to be believable after this. There was soo much potential to do this mini arc right and it's like they decided to throw a giant middle finger at us.(Speaking for those that share my viewpoint. I'm sure there are some that liked the Lana arc.) In my eyes, I'm not sure what they can do that's not going to cheapen the end result of who Clark becomes.

[dobby]

We know he's not Superman yet but he's still Clark Kent. He's still the person who will be Superman. So when he finally figures out how to fly, will he find his moral compass, too? You know, the one that makes him one of the most beloved superhero? No. That's not right. Superman's morality, his sense of honour, is something that he's learnt from infancy, from Jonathon and Martha Kent, not something he finds when he pulls on the tights.

This Lana arc has made Clark a jerk. End of story. And we all know it's going to be circumstance thats going to make Clana end. Not choice and no closure for Clark. And to add insult to injury, he's going to be hitting on Lois the instant she comes back? He's going to look "lovingly" into her eyes in Hex? WTF?! That's not character development. That's being a shi*head. Something Superman is NOT.

This Lana arc means he's going to drop Lois like a hot potato if Lana swings back into his life. We can't change that, now. Nothing the writers can do will make us believe that Lois means more to him than Lana. Nothing can make us believe that Clark would ever put his wants and needs before saving the world, WILLING. His constant whining about how he has to "sacrifice" his love has taken care of that.

The sad fact is that Smallville has made Clark Kent into a superhero who RESENTS the fact he has abilities. Who resents the fact he can help people all over the world. Who basically resents becoming the superhero, Superman, because he can't stay at home with the TRUE love of his life, Lana Luther, sorry I mean, Lana Lang.

Thanks PS3 for spitting and pis*ing all over the Superman mythos. Thanks a lot.

[Sunny8]

I have been an avid viewer of Smallville for 8 years, Thursdays being the highlight of my week solely because of this show. Yet all that was dashed with just one episode. I have never been stuck completely speechless upon watching an episode but this episode rendered me completely thunderstruck. I would really like an explanation as to how I am supposed to believe that this incarnation of Clark Kent is going to become Superman.

People say that one episode cannot take down a series but I disagree. 'Power' is the Hurricane Katrina of season 8 and might even be for the series. Like the hurricane, no one knew how powerful or damaging it could be but it totally destroyed a lot of peoples faith in the writer's of this show and the image of Clark Kent as future Superman. It's going to take a lot to rebuild that faith, but I hope they can do it and are willing and able to do so.

[BadToad]

And if it does play out this way, which I'm pretty certain it will, TPTB should pay KK whatever she wants and have her return next season to end up with Clark. See, the problem is that as bad as Clark looks now, if he moves on to another girl, especially Lois, he'll look ten times worse.

I disagree with this entirely. What they should do is have Clark be SINGLE. Totally SINGLE. Until the end of the show. If they want to introduce some romance in his life, bring back Maxima, or some guest star. Someone the audience isn't invested in.

Compounding the Clana problem by bringing KK back is not the answer at all. They may have ruined Clark for any future relationship, but that doesn't change how toxic Clana was and is to the show overall. No need to bring it back. It did its damage. Just let it lie, like the Clois, and move onto something else. For Clark's sake, something very, very hero-ly. IMO

[Sunny8]

I'm going to have to disagree with that. In season 7, rather than having Clana breakup as a result of everything that went on in the first half of the season, they decided to stay together because it was something that they wanted to do. Then came Brainiac who interfered with that plan. My point is, TPTB have come back to Clana so many times on this show that it's really hard to argue against the fact that these two people really want to be together. I mean really, how much more evidence is needed to support the idea that they both love each other? What they did in season 8 sealed it for me. I will not be happy if Clark decides to be with someone else because he can't have Lana.


I think I see what you mean about TPTB. Only thing is that the relationship was not really working. Lana was lying to Clark the whole time they were together and he seemed desperate to keep the relationship going despite seeing who she really was just because he did not want to be alone. It remind's me of when he asked Lois to move in with him in 'Instinct' because he just did not want to be alone. I never saw Lana and Clark really enjoying the relationship or each other. They just seemed stuck in a place where they could not see past being with each other out of fear. At least Clark did. Maybe Lana saw more clearly than Clark because she had a bad marriage to a horrible person to compare their relationship to. Maybe that is why Lana tells Clark in 'Siren' that she is still committed to them but she did not think Clark believed she was the person that he was going to end up with.

It just seemed to me that when all was said and done and they were finally together they did not really fit for some reason except for TPTB insisting that they belong. They just felt awkward living together to me. Martha and Jonathan were natural and you could tell they were meant for each other. I could not see that with Lana and Clark. But you see something different, so maybe I am wrong.

[Alania]

People say that one episode cannot take down a series but I disagree. 'Power' is the Hurricane Katrina of season 8 and might even be for the series. Like the hurricane, no one knew how powerful or damaging it could be but it totally destroyed a lot of peoples faith in the writer's of this show and the image of Clark Kent as future Superman. It's going to take a lot to rebuild that faith, but I hope they can do it and are willing and able to do so.

If that one is hurricane katrina, i'm thinking Requiem is the tsunami. Watching the trailer, the thing is ten times worse. Clois has no chance anymore and right now, all i want know is who is going to stop that madness, for the sake of Clark Kent, the man who is going to become Superman.

[eas]

I disagree with this entirely. What they should do is have Clark be SINGLE. Totally SINGLE. Until the end of the show. If they want to introduce some romance in his life, bring back Maxima, or some guest star. Someone the audience isn't invested in.

Compounding the Clana problem by bringing KK back is not the answer at all. They may have ruined Clark for any future relationship, but that doesn't change how toxic Clana was and is to the show overall. No need to bring it back. It did its damage. Just let it lie, like the Clois, and move onto something else. For Clark's sake, something very, very hero-ly. IMO

But, it's done, BT. The damage it done. Even if they make Clark single, his heart and soul still belongs to Clana.

It used to be that I imagined Clark's future and I saw a free man. One who had broken from the shackles of Clana & what it does to him. But, now?

The biggest problem I have with this ending is that it makes it seem like 20 years from now or even 1000 years from now (is Lana the new Wonder Woman - is she immortal, too?) we're going to see Clark sitting on the moon & pining for Lana, while Lana sits on Mars and pines for him.... all while an emo Lifehouse ballad plays in the background.

I mean, it's like they've locked Clark into an eternity of the pining crap he went through in high school. We all thought that - at one point - Clana would end on a mature note & Clark would be set free. But now that hope is gone. He's been sentenced to a lifetime of Clana angst.

So, might as well end the damn show on a happy note & give him and Lana real closure. Give him the girl of his dreams. Clark Kent is not one who spends an eternity pining after a woman he's not allowed to touch (well, unless you're Bryan Singer and the brains behind "Smallville") and so let's just let him get together with the love of his life already.

[BadToad]

So, might as well end the damn show on a happy note & give him and Lana real closure. Give him the girl of his dreams. Clark Kent is not one who spends an eternity pining after a woman he's not allowed to touch (well, unless you're Bryan Singer and the brains behind "Smallville") and so let's just let him get together with the love of his life already.

I just have to disagree with that. I would rather have a lifetime of pining for Clark, where I still think he can be a worthwhile hero, then some relationship which I think would ultimately destroy him. Which is what I think Clana is, because thats what the show has shown me.

I'll take alone for $1000 Alex ;)

Yes, I agree with you that the damage is already done. But a Clana ending would convince me without a shadow of a doubt that Clark would never really become Superman. And thats pretty much all I'm holding on for at this point. Happiness is not in the stars for Clark, whether he's with Lana or not. So, I'll take the not option. YMMV

[Indira Kal]

this has GOT to be the most cheasiest eppie in Smallville. during the first half of the eppie I thought i was watching the movie, "Kill Bill", and then by eppie's end i figured great! Lana now is a superhero. what cheese is that? all i kept thinking, "please bring Lois back for crying out loud!" IF this is the last season, tptb just can't shove this Lana arc with Clark drooling after her down our throats and drag it out this long, when clark and lois are supposed to realize their love for each other by series end...

[Dresden]

I agree. I am sick and tired of Smallville and I am not watching next week. I can't believed I watched Bulletproof and Power only to be spit on the face! PS3, I hope you have the guts to come in here and explain yourself!

[eas]

I just have to disagree with that. I would rather have a lifetime of pining for Clark, where I still think he can be a worthwhile hero, then some relationship which I think would ultimately destroy him. Which is what I think Clana is, because thats what the show has shown me.

I'll take alone for $1000 Alex ;)

Yes, I agree with you that the damage is already done. But a Clana ending would convince me without a shadow of a doubt that Clark would never really become Superman. And thats pretty much all I'm holding on for at this point. Happiness is not in the stars for Clark, whether he's with Lana or not. So, I'll take the not option. YMMV

I just see no point in keeping him alone. What does it do? Keep him focused on being Superman and unhappy while he's at it? That's not Superman.

Superman is a happy character and thrives on the personal relationships he has with those around him. He's not Batman.

So, give this Clark Kent (this Superman, I guess) his soul mate. Give him the love of his life. Sure, I think it's a destructive relationship and it makes Clark a moron.

But Clark - for whatever reason - loves this woman & thinks that she makes his life better. He thinks he can balance the destructive nature of Clana/Lana & still be Superman. So... let him go do it. That's what the writers believe and let them end it that way.

Have him be alone for the rest of the series & then pay KK a truck-load of money for the series finale. Have her walk in, cured of her Green K problem, and then have Clark fly off into the sunset with her. The series is over and we'll just assume that they lived dysfunctionally ever after.

Just, for the LOVE OF GOD, keep Lois Lane out of it.

[Jade4813]

I just see no point in keeping him alone. What does it do? Keep him focused on being Superman and unhappy while he's at it? That's not Superman.

Superman is a happy character and thrives on the personal relationships he has with those around him. He's not Batman.

So, give this Clark Kent (this Superman, I guess) his soul mate. Give him the love of his life. Sure, I think it's a destructive relationship and it makes Clark a moron.

But Clark - for whatever reason - loves this woman & thinks that she makes his life better. He thinks he can balance the destructive nature of Clana/Lana & still be Superman. So... let him go do it. That's what the writers believe and let them end it that way.

Have him be alone for the rest of the series & then pay KK a truck-load of money for the series finale. Have her walk in, cured of her Green K problem, and then have Clark fly off into the sunset with her. The series is over and we'll just assume that they lived dysfunctionally ever after.

Just, for the LOVE OF GOD, keep Lois Lane out of it.

My problem with this is that he hasn't been shown to be particularly happy WITH Lana, either. They keep WANTING to make each other happy and making each other miserable instead. Being alone might make Clark sad, but it at least wouldn't be self-destructive...and Clark has been self-destructive in his relationship with Lana.

[Kalic]

I think you feel like the Chlarkers have felt since almost the start of Smallville. anyways I think Ps3 has done a great job Ive really enjoyed this season much for then the otherones, and not to state the obvious but TV-Drama alwas sells and what sells more then Lois Lane's heart on the line? I mean no disrespect im a 100% Clois fan and ive never really been into the other Ships but this show is still about Clark and his Main love intresst has been Lana sure it's annoying but Clark simply just doesn't give up that easily and he wouldn't be him self if he didn't give it a 100%.

anyways my answer is Yes there was a point, we've seen the possibilitys and their looking pretty good(not talking about the current state but about the eairlier episode) :)

[BadToad]

I just see no point in keeping him alone. What does it do? Keep him focused on being Superman and unhappy while he's at it? That's not Superman.

But, IMO, thats as close as this show is going to come. I can believe in Clark being a heroic Superman, but not if he's with Lana. I will never believe it if he's with her. So, I'm hanging on to all I have left.

He's unhappy without her, as we've seen on the show, they aren't exactly a barrel of monkies when they're together either. I just watched an episode which convinced me, 100%, that Lana is borderline insane and very dangerous. Thanks but, I'm still choosing alone.


Superman is a happy character and thrives on the personal relationships he has with those around him. He's not Batman.

I'm sure Clark will still have friends. He'll have Chloe, and Jimmy, and maybe he can even be friends with Lois sometime in the future. His mom is still alive. I still believe he can have personal relationships. Just not a romantic relationship that will be able to sustain.

[PokaPlaya]

It's fitting that lana is contaminated by kryptonite in "requiem" thus effectively ending CLANA forever. The one woman that makes him weak and unlike himself is contaminated by the one thing that can cause him physical weakness. How's that for contrived irony. That aside, I think they've done a good job actually. A steady predictable progression to a full blown Lois/ Clark relationship this season would have pretty much meant the end as no real compelling storyline would be left unless you want a repeat of "freak o the week " as in season 1. Consumating that relationship now would be "jumping the shark" thus I feel they are writing in anticipation of a season 9. While I didn't completely enjoy "power" in the context of Clois it was not that bad as a stand alone episode/ reveal of Lana's side story/ future. Plus, it provides a permanent reason for Clana to be over. He never really got a chance to say goodbye last year. While I agree that its seems like difficult a undertaking for the writers to go from this storyline to Clark apparently shifting his romantic attention back to Lois in Ep. 17 Hex, so far he has not really expressed how much he likes lois up to this point and therfeore I don't see this "flipflop" as an indictment of Clark's character as others have stated in recent threads. Remember also this is really the first time we see an expressed/explicit romantic relationship b/t clark and lois. what would it say about him then if he just jumped right into a new relationship without even knowing what happened to the love of his life up to this point? Smallville's got another year and it will be then that lois and clark really develop their relationship.
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[KrissO]

But what gave the idea that the show is about Superman? It's about Superman's past. They would never go to Clois, especially with the real PTB like DC Comics and Warner Bros hovering over them.

+1. Forget about Clois already

[myankskent]

I just see no point in keeping him alone. What does it do? Keep him focused on being Superman and unhappy while he's at it? That's not Superman.

Superman is a happy character and thrives on the personal relationships he has with those around him. He's not Batman.

So, give this Clark Kent (this Superman, I guess) his soul mate. Give him the love of his life. Sure, I think it's a destructive relationship and it makes Clark a moron.

But Clark - for whatever reason - loves this woman & thinks that she makes his life better. He thinks he can balance the destructive nature of Clana/Lana & still be Superman. So... let him go do it. That's what the writers believe and let them end it that way.

Have him be alone for the rest of the series & then pay KK a truck-load of money for the series finale. Have her walk in, cured of her Green K problem, and then have Clark fly off into the sunset with her. The series is over and we'll just assume that they lived dysfunctionally ever after.

Just, for the LOVE OF GOD, keep Lois Lane out of it.

I couldn't agree more with this. I'm not sure what good it does for Clark to simply give up on Lana at this point because of a green K problem. Since it's been proven that he loves her and will do anything so that he can be with her, then TPTB should just go all the way and have him try to cure her while moving forward with his DP and red/blue blur storyline. As for Lois, let her finish out her DP arc while working with Clark. There's no romance, but at least her journalism storyline will mean something when all is said and done. While we're at it, let Chloe be the Oracle, this way her friendship with Clark doesn't end and she will be a player in the future as well.

This show is torturous to watch for so many fans and I think that the above scenario will at least please fans to a degree. The alternative could really destroy every single character on this show and make "Power" look like an academy award winning episode. JMHO.

[eas]

My problem with this is that he hasn't been shown to be particularly happy WITH Lana, either. They keep WANTING to make each other happy and making each other miserable instead. Being alone might make Clark sad, but it at least wouldn't be self-destructive...and Clark has been self-destructive in his relationship with Lana.

Yes, that's how WE see it.

But Clark clearly doesn't see it that way. Just as some look at Iconic Lois Lane and think that she's not good enough for Clark & he should go off and marry Wonder Woman. But, really, it's Iconic Clark Kent's decision who to love and, for all her flaws, he chooses to love Lois Lane.

It's the same with SVLana Lang. WE don't like her and thinks she's a terrible influence on SVClark. But, for some bizarre reason, he doesn't agree with us. The writers make it seem like he's happier being unhappy WITH Lana than he is being a happy & good person WITHOUT Lana.

So... give him Lana. Make him be unhappy with her for the rest of his life and - for some bizarre reason - he'll find peace in that.

It's much better than him being alone & pining over her. OR WORSE, playing Lois Lane and using her love for him to 'settle' for her, while his heart is still with Lana.

[Jade4813]

^ The problem is that they've shown that he would do ANYTHING to be with Lana, including giving up on being Superman. And, in fact, they've shown that Lana would be okay with this - she'd be perfectly happy to have Clark's life be about his love for her above all else.

Clark CAN be Superman and be in love at the same time in other media, but in Smallville, they've always presented it as a matter of having one or the other...and in that contest, being a hero comes in a distant second for Clark.

So you can have a world with a shadow of a Superman who does try to help people, even if he's fundamentally sad.

Or you could have a world with a man who gives up on any pretense of trying to help people and lives in misery with the girl he's always wanted, even though they don't really make each other happy.

If they ended the show with Clana, I'd still think in the back of my mind that, if a day ever came where Lana said, "Clark, I'm sick of you running off all the time. If you want to be with me, give up the heroics." And he'd say, "Okay" and do just that. He'd let the world burn if it meant being able to be next to Lana. And that's not terribly heroic to me.

Granted, being a hero because you lack other options isn't exactly the epitome of heroism, either, but at least he'd be out there helping people...and presumably thinking about other people every once and a while. Not just himself, his desires, and his obsession with obtaining Lana at all costs.

[eas]

But, IMO, thats as close as this show is going to come. I can believe in Clark being a heroic Superman, but not if he's with Lana. I will never believe it if he's with her. So, I'm hanging on to all I have left.

He's unhappy without her, as we've seen on the show, they aren't exactly a barrel of monkies when they're together either. I just watched an episode which convinced me, 100%, that Lana is borderline insane and very dangerous. Thanks but, I'm still choosing alone.

Superman... a real Superman... should be able to be a hero whether or not he's alone. And the woman he loves more than life should be one who helps make him a better Superman.

So, already, your dream is shot to hell. If your contingency on Clark actually being Superman is that he must be alone, then he's never going to be a real Superman in your eyes.

This Clark Kent can't survive alone. One of the biggest themes of SV has been Clark's quest to find a girlfriend. He worries about that more than whether or not the world will be blown up or something.


I'm sure Clark will still have friends. He'll have Chloe, and Jimmy, and maybe he can even be friends with Lois sometime in the future. His mom is still alive. I still believe he can have personal relationships. Just not a romantic relationship that will be able to sustain.

That's what makes Superman/Clark Kent a unique superhero. He is not just defined by his powers, his alien heritage, or his villians. His romantic relationship with Lois Lane (in this case, Lana Lang) also helps define who he is.

Brandon Routh once described Lois Lane as being Superman's link to humanity.

I believe that.... in this case, I guess, Lana Lang is his link to humanity. That matters. It helps define Superman and seperates him from other heroes.

[umm]

I just don't get it... what was the point of starting up the Clark and Lois relationship if THIS is what you were going to do with Lana's arc?
I get that KK had to come back to fulfill her 5 episode contract for you. That's great.
I also get that you had to have closure for the Clark & Lana relationship because they ended in such an abrupt way....AlMiles regime, right? UNTIL SEASON EIGHT. ....So, why'd you bring in Lois Lane, then, huh? You believe that Clark and Lana have this great love story? Great, leave LOIS out of it! You can go ahead and write the "Untold Story of Clark and Lana Lang" and re-write 70 years of Superman canon to suit your own end.... but why the HELL did you have to bring in Lois Lane and then (to rub salt on the wounds) have Lois fall in love with Clark while he's busy worshipping Lana Lang? ....


I have no idea, I am really confused as to their motives!

[eas]

^ The problem is that they've shown that he would do ANYTHING to be with Lana, including giving up on being Superman. And, in fact, they've shown that Lana would be okay with this - she'd be perfectly happy to have Clark's life be about his love for her above all else.

Clark CAN be Superman and be in love at the same time in other media, but in Smallville, they've always presented it as a matter of having one or the other...and in that contest, being a hero comes in a distant second for Clark.

So you can have a world with a shadow of a Superman who does try to help people, even if he's fundamentally sad.

Or you could have a world with a man who gives up on any pretense of trying to help people and lives in misery with the girl he's always wanted, even though they don't really make each other happy.

If they ended the show with Clana, I'd still think in the back of my mind that, if a day ever came where Lana said, "Clark, I'm sick of you running off all the time. If you want to be with me, give up the heroics." And he'd say, "Okay" and do just that. He'd let the world burn if it meant being able to be next to Lana. And that's not terribly heroic to me.

Granted, being a hero because you lack other options isn't exactly the epitome of heroism, either, but at least he'd be out there helping people...and presumably thinking about other people every once and a while. Not just himself, his desires, and his obsession with obtaining Lana at all costs.

And isn't that why Lana got the powers? So that she wouldn't have those issues?

Lana Lang solved his problem for him. (Yay for Clark not having to use his own brain at all.)

Now, he doesn't have to choose! Aren't PS3 just brilliant?!?! They turned Lana Lang into a combo of Wonder Woman and Lois Lane, so he can have his cake and eat it, too.

[borednow]

And isn't that why Lana got the powers? So that she wouldn't have those issues?

Lana Lang solved his problem for him. (Yay for Clark not having to use his own brain at all.)

Now, he doesn't have to choose! Aren't PS3 just brilliant?!?! They turned Lana Lang into a combo of Wonder Woman and Lois Lane, so he can have his cake and eat it, too.

Eas... I think I just threw up a little...

[myankskent]

^ The problem is that they've shown that he would do ANYTHING to be with Lana, including giving up on being Superman. And, in fact, they've shown that Lana would be okay with this - she'd be perfectly happy to have Clark's life be about his love for her above all else.


Well, Clark gave up on being Superman in Superman 2 for Lois Lane and once he realized that the earth was in trouble, he went back and became Superman again. I guess I can give him the benefit of the doubt that he would do the same with Lana in his life if the world was under attack.

[Alexander III]

Awww, all those sweet CLOIS moments the pumpkin the muffin names calling are RUINED by this episode :lol: :lol:

[eas]

Eas... I think I just threw up a little...

Welcome to my life... I've been doing that every five minutes since I saw this episode.

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Well, Clark gave up on being Superman in Superman 2 for Lois Lane and once he realized that the earth was in trouble, he went back and became Superman again. I guess I can give him the benefit of the doubt that he would do the same with Lana in his life if the world was under attack.

Yeah.

He seems to think he can go around saving the world with her around & she seems to think that she can support him in it (especially now that she's his equal and has powers of her own).

They can go create their own little Justice League. Lana and Wonder Woman can be BFFs. Bruce Wayne could meet Lana and fall in love with her & realize that Lana is more brilliant that he'll ever be.

Really, at this point, ANYTHING is possible for this AU.

[thehenry89]

Welcome to my life... I've been doing that every five minutes since I saw this episode.

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Yeah.

He seems to think he can go around saving the world with her around & she seems to think that she can support him in it (especially now that she's his equal and has powers of her own).

They can go create their own little Justice League. Lana and Wonder Woman can be BFFs. Bruce Wayne could meet Lana and fall in love with her & realize that Lana is more brilliant that he'll ever be.

Really, at this point, ANYTHING is possible for this AU.


Maybe next week they'll have her turning water into wine, or they'll have a suprise reveal stating that it was really lana and not Tolstoy who wrote "War and Peace".:rolleyes:

at times I wonder how i ever fell in love with this show

[myankskent]

Maybe next week they'll have her turning water into wine, or they'll have a suprise reveal stating that it was really lana and not Tolstoy who wrote "War and Peace".:rolleyes:

at times I wonder how i ever fell in love with this show

I guess we all just assumed that when the time came, TPTB would be able to move this show into the Superman years and everything would line up and make enough sense for everyone to be satisfied. That's where I was dead wrong because this show is going to become a disaster if it follows the mythologies at this point, IMO.

[starflower69]

I really miss the Lois and Clark banter. However, I may insult a lot of fans here but....Clark is nowhere near to being Superman yet. And as a fan of Superman I know that Clark Kent is supposed to be a bumbling, nerdy reporter when he meet my MKLois in the films. I am not a comic fan but I am I Superman film fan.

My Clark Kent from the movies was totally into Lois and I think that the writers of Smallville are trying to keep with this story arc.

If they put Lois and Clark together now it just makes a total mockery of all that's gone before.

As far as the hsitory of the films and tv series, the stories have always kept them apart why should Smallville be any different. Maybe I just liked the episode too much but Lana rocked IMO( finally we get to see what she really wants). I' was sick of her being portrayed as a victim. Lois never acts like a victim and if I take anything away from this episode it will be that Clark is more than a bird, more than a plane, he's Superman in the making. Don't lose faith. Clark is Superman. Just keep focused. Lana is just a blip in the Superman landscape.

[Clois4eva89]

I hate the Clana crap just as much as everybody else but I don't have much to complain about this. The way I see if the PS3 have set up this deal where Clark & Lana have a big connection. So just thinking about it this way if their connection and chemistry is that big,then think how Clois will be in the future.

The bond and feelings Clark and Lois will share in the future,will blow clana out of the water. The way I see it they have Clark conflicting his feelings betwen Lois and Lana right now. My guess is lana will get in contact with the green k next week and die from it.Lana's death seems to be the only way for Clark to completely move on from her.And focus on Lois because we know Clana won't happen anymore,because of the future spoilers *coughs* HEX *coughs*

With the preview for next week and what we learned from Legion. I think the reason why Imra didn't say anything to Lana about her future.Is because she knew lana was destined to die,and she thought by telling her the truth. She would be altering history by risking lana to avoid that future.Because we all know the last thing we want to know,is when we'll die. Lana giving up her life to likely keep Clark alive could be what inspires Clark to become the hero.

We've all seen Clark be selfish wanting to be with lana,instead of putting the needs of the world first.With lana out of the way there will be nothing holding Clark back from moving forward. I just hope that Clark has moved on from lana long before Lois' return to Metropolis.

[borednow]

Welcome to my life... I've been doing that every five minutes since I saw this episode.

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Yeah.

He seems to think he can go around saving the world with her around & she seems to think that she can support him in it (especially now that she's his equal and has powers of her own).

They can go create their own little Justice League. Lana and Wonder Woman can be BFFs. Bruce Wayne could meet Lana and fall in love with her & realize that Lana is more brilliant that he'll ever be.

Really, at this point, ANYTHING is possible for this AU.

Oh Hera! Please stop! http://www.clipartof.com/images/thumbnail/1892.gif

[Loulou26]

i just have to say that i'm very disappointed. i was loving the whole clois thing going on up until lana came back. its totally ruined everything and i totally understand the need for clark to have some closure but if next weeks' spoilers are right then i'm assuming he sleeps with lana. what? so now she has superpowers suddenly they can have sex?? its not right. I always thought that clark had very strong morals and to want to get back with lana after everything she's done is just.......

plus i just have to say that i think that Lois deserves better, i know in the mythology they're not supposed to be together yet but would it really hurt to have them together a little in smallville or at least let us know that Clark really wants Lois. After this episode i was left feeling that even if Clark did fall for Lois, would we or she really know that she's the one he wants? or would she just be a substitute for lana? Lois is Clark's destiny but SV has made it seem that Clark and Lana are the soulmates and Lois will never compare. I'm just very saddened by this :( It just seems to me that they have put too much on the character of Lana.

[eas]

A poster at DI asked me to post this for her. She doesn't have an account, so she asked that I put her thoughts here.


Originally quoted by D.D.:

How the hell could you do this to us? You have spat on 70 years of an Iconic love between Lois and Clark and the mythology of Clark Kent. The Clark Kent that I have grown to love has morals and cares about his destiny but the Clark you have written has none. It makes me wonder if Jonathan Kent is rolling in his grave at how his son has turned out.

Sad thing is season 8 was going fantastic. We had Lois and Clark working together at the Daily Planet being their iconic reporter selves and Clark was moving towards his destiny. He was going out saving lives as the Red and Blue Blur and he and Lois Lane were growing closer, growing towards that iconic love. You could clearly see they both had feelings for one another. Then in Bride, they grew even closer. So close that they almost kissed but then it went downhill from there.

As soon as Lana returned, the same old stupid, immature, Lana obsessed Clark returned. In four episodes you have destroyed everything that had happened between Lois and Clark, as if it was simply erased and we were sucked back into the Clark and Lana vortex. I understand they needed closure but you could have written it a lot better then you did. You didn’t need to rehash Clark and Lana getting back together or sleeping together, but no, you wanted the Clana fans to be happy, so you screwed the Clois and Superman mythologists over instead. You gave an Iconic Clois moment to Clana. The DP rooftop kiss, is a Clois moment but you’ve tainted it.

I can’t believe what you have all done and if your show goes to hell, it’s your fault not the fans. Do I still want a season 9? Hell yes but, LOIS LANE/ ERICA DURANCE must be in all episodes, not her usual 13 and your Clark must work his ass off to earn the respect back from us fans because at the present time, I cannot see how this Clark Kent can have any feelings whatsoever for Lois or become the iconic hero Superman.

If you want me back as a Smallville fan, fix what you have so royally screwed up.

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I guess we all just assumed that when the time came, TPTB would be able to move this show into the Superman years and everything would line up and make enough sense for everyone to be satisfied. That's where I was dead wrong because this show is going to become a disaster if it follows the mythologies at this point, IMO.

I agree. I kept waiting for the show to sync up with the mythos...

I guess I never thought about what would happen if they ruined the story so bad that I wouldn't even WANT it to sync up with the mythos.

[Sunny8]

Every time I see this thread I ponder this question too: "What was the point of starting Clois?" but why ask PS3? they don't have a clue as to why they started Clois either :lol:. You know how Clark looks at Lana with that total blank look he gets on his face when he sees her?...that is how PS3 is around KK. They don't have a clue as to how they got here and they probably are asking themselves, " What the heck happened?!?!? We were doing so well?!?! If this is the way we act around KK then its good she is not coming back! Don't talk with the fan's. We don't want them to know that we don't know what the heck we are doing anymore and where we are going. Man or we on a sinking ship or what? I bet Al&Miles are laughing at us right now for being so arrogant over the success of the first half of the season. Man we should have listened to them when they said that KK's beauty causes men to blank out when she is around. We didn't believe them when they said that the only reason we've been able to sell that Lana character to so many fans all these years is because she is so pretty. We should have been paying attention. Man! Go read the Kryptosite forums. Maybe some fans might have a clue as to how we can get out of this mess. When they say that we stole their ideas we can just lie and say that we never read the boards.":D

[geminis]

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I agree. I kept waiting for the show to sync up with the mythos...

I guess I never thought about what would happen if they ruined the story so bad that I wouldn't even WANT it to sync up with the mythos.

Thanks for posting that insightful and well written commentary, Sana.

I totally and 100% agree that the DP Clana kiss was an abomination that will still have me spinning when I'm in my grave but I'm going to be positive and say the point to starting Clois even when Clark is so focused on Lana is that WE can see how truly great Lois and Clark are and their suitability highlights exactly how wrong Clana are together.

I will always be grateful that the risk of bringing Lois on to Smallville early was taken. Smallville was never going to have openly mutually romantic Clois on an equal basis; what they have given us regarding the two of them is amazing. I am still waiting for the show to sync up to the mythos and all of this naysaying is not making me change my mind.

[ClanaDestinyObsession]

the point of "starting" clois... hmmm.... well I can't think of any reason (it was THAT bad of an idea) except to show how GREAT Clana is and to make Cloisers happy for a bit.

[Jade4813]

the point of "starting" clois... hmmm.... well I can't think of any reason (it was THAT bad of an idea) except to show how GREAT Clana is and to make Cloisers happy for a bit.

I don't think it goes to show how great Clana is. If they'd wanted to do that, they'd have made Clark not seem interested in anyone else until Lana came back. Now he just seems fickle. "If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with." After all, he went from Lana to Lois, then back to Lana, and in two episodes, it'll be back to Lois again. Hardly showing how great HE is in ANY relationship, is it?

[eas]

the point of "starting" clois... hmmm.... well I can't think of any reason (it was THAT bad of an idea) except to show how GREAT Clana is and to make Cloisers happy for a bit.

Well... except Clana sucked for about 7 1/2 years and even 10 episodes of Clois rocked...

So, if that WAS their goal, they clearly failed. The joke's on them, because we've been through so much crap with Clana that 10 episodes of Clois made Clana look worse.

And most of us wouldn't have even thought that was POSSIBLE.

[ClanaDestinyObsession]

oh, well if that's the case, I suppose "Clois" was just a whim. I don't think there could possibly be any other reason for Clois cause it was just bleh... =\

[aBR]

Thanks for the warm welcome Mythosgirl and Sana!

I also don't buy the "this still isn't Superman", "this is Smallville" argument. It's the "making of" Superman ... not the story untold --- surprise! :rolleyes:

Superman-in-the-making's romance is with Lang at the loft ... but at the Daily Planet rooftop? :(

[Jade4813]

oh, well if that's the case, I suppose "Clois" was just a whim. I don't think there could possibly be any other reason for Clois cause it was just bleh... =\

In your opinion, which you're certainly entitled to. I tend to think they did Clois because for a while, they thought they'd focus on a ship that consisted of two wonderful characters who were actually good for each other. Alas, their interest in telling Clark Kent's story was overshadowed by their fetishization of Lana...but that's Smallville for you. :lol:

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Well... except Clana sucked for about 7 1/2 years and even 10 episodes of Clois rocked...

So, if that WAS their goal, they clearly failed. The joke's on them, because we've been through so much crap with Clana that 10 episodes of Clois made Clana look worse.

And most of us wouldn't have even thought that was POSSIBLE.

Oh, it's possible. Stick around a little longer. ;)

[ClanaDestinyObsession]

Well I can't stand Clois because CLana is IMO unbeatable.

But I guess we have to agree to disagree. I just wish you could see what I see in Clana, because really, it's so beautiful.

[Rival X The Great]

i wish you could see what we see in Clana its a trainwreck. no offense. I use to be clana fan to til i realize destiny

[eas]

Thanks for the warm welcome Mythosgirl and Sana!

I also don't buy the "this still isn't Superman", "this is Smallville" argument. It's the "making of" Superman ... not the story untold --- surprise! :rolleyes:

Superman-in-the-making's romance is with Lang at the loft ... but at the Daily Planet rooftop? :(

:lol:

You mean you never saw the story of "pre-Superman" where he made out with a super-powered Lana Lang on the roof of the DP, while he was a journalist and was moonlighting as a red/blue blur that saved the world on a daily basis?

What "PRE-Superman" stories have you been reading? Everyone knows that this is the JOURNEY of Clark Kent to Superman.... before he can be Superman, he has to make out with Lana Lang (who is stronger than Wonder Woman) on the DP roof for his journey to be complete.

[Clana4Life]

I don't know why they did what they did with Clois. It would have been better to start this in Season 9, way after KK left. Now, who would welcome a Clois relationship after all that's happened with Clana these past few eps? I don't know what the agenda was in this. Bad timing, I say.

[eas]

Well I can't stand Clois because CLana is IMO unbeatable.

But I guess we have to agree to disagree. I just wish you could see what I see in Clana, because really, it's so beautiful.

Honestly? At this moment, I wish I could see what you see in it, too. Because I would be a hell of a lot happier with this show if I knew what the hell made Clana so great.

All I see is a woman who lies, cheats, steals, kidnaps, tortures, and -now - becomes super-powerful so she can "save" the world & believe she's strong enough (conceited, really) that she can do it when others haven't.

But, yeah, I'd love to see YOUR version of it, because that's the clearly the version that PS3 and the ones in control of "SV" see....

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I don't know why they did what they did with Clois. It would have been better to start this in Season 9, way after KK left. Now, who would welcome a Clois relationship after all that's happened with Clana these past few eps? I don't know what the agenda was in this. Bad timing, I say.

And that's EXACTLY what we're all saying. We have no problems with Clana getting closure. Hell, I don't even have a problem with "SV" setting Clana up as an epic, tortured, love story & creating a 'grand sacrifice' situation between Clark & Lana. I always suspected it would go down that route, anyway.

What I have a problem with is them dragging Lois into it. I never thought I'd say this, but this whole thing makes Grois look like Shakespeare. I'd rather have Grant back.

*shudder*

[Jade4813]

Well I can't stand Clois because CLana is IMO unbeatable.

But I guess we have to agree to disagree. I just wish you could see what I see in Clana, because really, it's so beautiful.

TBH, I always wished I saw that in the relationship. I tried, for a long time, to see it because I knew that was what they were trying to sell me. The only problem was, I just couldn't get over how bad Clana made BOTH characters look, in my eyes. I couldn't ship them because, fundamentally, all I've ever seen is two people who are extremely unhealthy for each other trying to make it work even when they should walk away.

Some day, I hope YOU'LL see how amazing Clois has always been and why it's a legendary love affair that's lasted for 70 years. Why it's a relationship to which other couples aspire. You may never come to see this, but if you don't, IMO, it'll be too bad. Still, if you never come to see Clois as the amazing ship that it is, you'll still have 7 years and 5 episodes of Smallville to enjoy. As I've got 70 years and counting of stuff to cherish, I can hardly begrudge someone else their enjoyment of 7.

[ClanaDestinyObsession]

I don't know why they did what they did with Clois. It would have been better to start this in Season 9, way after KK left. Now, who would welcome a Clois relationship after all that's happened with Clana these past few eps? I don't know what the agenda was in this. Bad timing, I say.Bad timing for a bad plot. IMHO there's no "good" timing for Clois...=\


i wish you could see what we see in Clana its a trainwreck. no offense. I use to be clana fan to til i realize destiny
I see Clana as PART of Clark's destiny. I see Clois, if anything, as more of a sidetrack.
It's not about the name of the person he falls in love w/ in the legend, but the compatibility and passion of them. Clana has more of both imo.

[aBR]

:lol:

You mean you never saw the story of "pre-Superman" where he made out with a super-powered Lana Lang on the roof of the DP, while he was a journalist and was moonlighting as a red/blue blur that saved the world on a daily basis?

What "PRE-Superman" stories have you been reading? Everyone knows that this is the JOURNEY of Clark Kent to Superman.... before he can be Superman, he has to make out with Lana Lang (who is stronger than Wonder Woman) on the DP roof for his journey to be complete.

Oh! Was that the one that "was lost in the annals of history"? :lol:

[Jade4813]

Honestly? At this moment, I wish I could see what you see in it, too. Because I would be a hell of a lot happier with this show if I knew what the hell made Clana so great.

All I see is a woman who lies, cheats, steals, kidnaps, tortures, and -now - becomes super-powerful so she can "save" the world & believe she's strong enough (conceited, really) that she can do it when others haven't.

But, yeah, I'd love to see YOUR version of it, because that's the clearly the version that PS3 and the ones in control of "SV" see....

Indeed. That's where I am. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of the things that stand in the way of me understanding why people could even LIKE Lana, let alone love her enough to ship her. *shrugs* But to each his own, I suppose.


And that's EXACTLY what we're all saying. We have no problems with Clana getting closure. Hell, I don't even have a problem with "SV" setting Clana up as an epic, tortured, love story & creating a 'grand sacrifice' situation between Clark & Lana. I always suspected it would go down that route, anyway.

What I have a problem with is them dragging Lois into it. I never thought I'd say this, but this whole thing makes Grois look like Shakespeare. I'd rather have Grant back.

*shudder*

I was happy to hear Lana was coming back for 5, and I was hopeful for her story. I had thought they could do it without throwing Clark under a bus. Hell, I even expected the two of them to get back together for a couple of the episodes and that they'd do it without throwing Clark under a bus. But it's Smallville, so to serve Lana's story..."Clark, move a little closer to the edge of the platform, will you?"

[eas]

I see Clana as PART of Clark's destiny. I see Clois, if anything, as more of a sidetrack.
It's not about the name of the person he falls in love w/ in the legend, but the compatibility and passion of them. Clana has more of both imo.

And that is how you SHOULD see it, I guess, based on what I saw in this episode.

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But it's Smallville, so to serve Lana's story..."Clark, move a little closer to the edge of the platform, will you?"

Clark? It's also, "Lois, Chloe, Jimmy, random extra walking by....". EVERYONE gets shoved onto the tracks to serve Lana's story.

I'm telling you: If Bruce Wayne DID come onto the show, the first line out of his mouth would be how brilliant Lana Lang is.

[Jade4813]

Bad timing for a bad plot. IMHO there's no "good" timing for Clois...=\

I see Clana as PART of Clark's destiny. I see Clois, if anything, as more of a sidetrack.
It's not about the name of the person he falls in love w/ in the legend, but the compatibility and passion of them. Clana has more of both imo.

I don't think the name matters, either, and I DEFINITELY think that compatibility and passion are what should matter. So why they choose to put Clark with a woman with whom he is so fundamentally INCOMPATIBLE is beyond me. She was happier with his evil clone than with him - she admitted as much - and yet we're to believe that this is a great love story?!? Hmmm...

Anyway, perhaps we should get back on point. IMO, we're veering a little closer to "Which ship is better: Clana or Clois." And I'm sure there are threads for that. THIS thread is to discuss why PS3 decided to open the door on Clois when they did.

IMO, on-topic, I think it's because they just don't realize what this arc is doing to Clark's character. Nor do they care. They wrote this, I think, to try to give Lana an epic goodbye and they didn't worry about what Clark would look like in the aftermath. The problem is, of course, that Lana's leaving. It's Clark who's sticking around, and he's the one who's been the most damaged by the last few episodes.

[eas]

Oh! Was that the one that "was lost in the annals of history"? :lol:

Must have been... don't worry... the geniuses behind "Smallville" have found the lost archives and are bringing you the "TRUE" story that you've never gotten before.

[Clana4Life]

Honestly? At this moment, I wish I could see what you see in it, too. Because I would be a hell of a lot happier with this show if I knew what the hell made Clana so great.

All I see is a woman who lies, cheats, steals, kidnaps, tortures, and -now - becomes super-powerful so she can "save" the world & believe she's strong enough (conceited, really) that she can do it when others haven't.

But, yeah, I'd love to see YOUR version of it, because that's the clearly the version that PS3 and the ones in control of "SV" see....

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And that's EXACTLY what we're all saying. We have no problems with Clana getting closure. Hell, I don't even have a problem with "SV" setting Clana up as an epic, tortured, love story & creating a 'grand sacrifice' situation between Clark & Lana. I always suspected it would go down that route, anyway.

What I have a problem with is them dragging Lois into it. I never thought I'd say this, but this whole thing makes Grois look like Shakespeare. I'd rather have Grant back.

*shudder*

Well, Grant's having a grand old time on the new show "Privileged" which is actually a cute show. I'd rather Clark and Lois become good friends for a while. I honestly would like to see Lois intercept what I'm sure will be Clark's upcoming speech...

Clark: Lois, about what almost happened at Chloe's wedding.

Lois: Clark, let's just forget it. Chloe filled me in on what happened with you and Lana. I understand. You and I, we are friends. Besides we'd drive each other crazy.

(forced laugh to kill the awkward moment)

Lois: I know I railed on you before about the Clark and Lana rollercoaster, but I'm really sorry to hear about what happened with you and Lana. And if you need to talk, I'm hear for you. And I won't give you a hard time.

(Gives him a hard punch in the arm) (Shakes her hand in pain)

Lois: Ouch Smallville. You been working out?

Clark: (laughs to himself) Thanks Lois. Thanks for understanding.

Lois: Not a problem.

Clark walks away. Lois gives him a forlorn look and starts typing on her computer.

And they should not go down the Clois road until next season. Give them time to be friends. Please don't lightswitch a Clois relationship in the next episode. I know Clanaers won't like it, but I suspect some Cloiser won't either.

[ClanaDestinyObsession]

I'm telling you: If Bruce Wayne DID come onto the show, the first line out of his mouth would be how brilliant Lana Lang is.

If he says so, it MUST be true...

anyways on topic, I really don't know WHY they would have started to start Clois up.

[eas]

IMO, on-topic, I think it's because they just don't realize what this arc is doing to Clark's character. Nor do they care. They wrote this, I think, to try to give Lana an epic goodbye and they didn't worry about what Clark would look like in the aftermath. The problem is, of course, that Lana's leaving. It's Clark who's sticking around, and he's the one who's been the most damaged by the last few episodes.

They could have written a decent Lana-arc without making it this way. And, also, they could have stuck Lana's arc in episodes 5-10, instead of derailing a whole season's worth of narrative story to pay homage to her character.

It was all about ratings. They sold S8 to everyone using 'Lois and Clark' and it worked. Ratings were up and folks actually lined up to watch the show. Then, they threw a little "triangle that not's really a triangle" in there to keep Lois fans hanging around while Clark sucked face with Lana.

They fully expect us to just forget about this little "sidetrack" in S8 when Lois comes back. And, in fact, I've heard this very sentiment from several Cloisers... that they'll just pretend that these episodes never happened & all will be right with the world when Lois comes back.

Sadly, I don't work that way. Once it airs, it's SV-canon for me. And, right now, SV-canon tells me that I'm fool and I've been played.

----- Added 2 Minutes later -----


Well, Grant's having a grand old time on the new show "Privileged" which is actually a cute show. I'd rather Clark and Lois become good friends for a while. I honestly would like to see Lois intercept what I'm sure will be Clark's upcoming speech...

Actually, he got laid off of that show. I think it was budget issues or something, but the actor has been laid off and the character may not come back at all.


Clark: Lois, about what almost happened at Chloe's wedding.

Lois: Clark, let's just forget it. Chloe filled me in on what happened with you and Lana. I understand. You and I, we are friends. Besides we'd drive each other crazy.

(forced laugh to kill the awkward moment)

Lois: I know I railed on you before about the Clark and Lana rollercoaster, but I'm really sorry to hear about what happened with you and Lana. And if you need to talk, I'm hear for you. And I won't give you a hard time.

(Gives him a hard punch in the arm) (Shakes her hand in pain)

Lois: Ouch Smallville. You been working out?

Clark: (laughs to himself) Thanks Lois. Thanks for understanding.

Lois: Not a problem.

Clark walks away. Lois gives him a forlorn look and starts typing on her computer.

And they should not go down the Clois road until next season. Give them time to be friends. Please don't lightswitch a Clois relationship in the next episode. I know Clanaers won't like it, but I suspect some Cloiser won't either.

Thank you. :) This actually means a lot. I appreciate it. I feel like you understand where I'm coming from, even if we completely disagree.

And, yes, I think that it's disrespectful to both Clana and Clois for him to just suddenly be in love with Lois this season. I agree with you on that.

[Rival X The Great]

Bad timing for a bad plot. IMHO there's no "good" timing for Clois...=\


I see Clana as PART of Clark's destiny. I see Clois, if anything, as more of a sidetrack.
It's not about the name of the person he falls in love w/ in the legend, but the compatibility and passion of them. Clana has more of both imo.

Lana was the girl left behind and Lois is his soulmate. She was created before Lana ever existed. It started Superman and Lois. It legendary. What you see on Smallville is not how Lana and Clark are for real in the comics. This show dishonored the comics when they allowed the iconic superman and Lois kiss on the daily planet with Lana and Clark. Ashame they should be.

[Kal-ed]

I didn't miss anything. It's your POV that Clark was starting to feel something. A lot of people believe it was one sided, INCLUDING Cloisers. Don't state your opinion as fact. Unless you can read the minds of Clark and PS3 then it was one sided. With this ship I only believe what I see on the screen; I don't delve further in and fanwank that Clark was really thinking this or that. Clark hasn't been clear on anything; but it's been clear that he hasn't said one thing about him liking Lois like that. And that has nothing to do with who I ship.


Then I guess asuming that when Clark pulled Lois to dance and went in for a kiss it was only because "he was feeling lonely, weddings tend to do that" is not fanwanking :rotfl: seriously???

I think perhaps the last scene in Commited when Clark looked disapointed Lois had taken off the sensor can be taken both ways, or that Maxima noticing that the only way Clark could have pulled away was if he had strong feelings for Lois can be fanwanked into oblivion but Clark going going after her when she was avoiding him, pulling her in for a dance and going in for a kiss is defintively NOT something I would consider ambiguous on Clark´s part, we know he´s not a player, the only girls Clark iniciates kisses with are girls he actually likes.

But yeah, he pulls her in, he´s about to kiss her and its me who´s fanwanking:rolleyes:

The fact that you hate Clois and that I like it (used to) doesnt make what happened any less true.

[skugers]

I think Lana Lang is a true machiavellic woman... her character describes perfectly the quote "the end justifies the means". What else can I imagine if she steals, lies, manipulates, tortures and so on just to get a stupid suit that can make her "EQUAL" to CK??!!!
Wahen she talked to Chloe she told her that she couldn't "reveal" to Clark just yet what she was doing, coz it wasn't the time. And on the DP rooftop she said to BDA CK that when she came back to Metropolis it wasn't even in her intentions to get back with him.
After "Power" I got to the conclusion that, maybe, deep down inside she thought that only that suit would make work her relationship with Clark. I think, in her subconscious, she was frustrated and envious on Clark's abilities. That's why she wanted to get the suit. And be with Clark only after that.
Also, how can a man who is supposed to have one of the purest hearts in the world of heroes forget and forgive in a second that even the way Lana Lang got the suit is truly immoral? I mean, she practically STOLE it from Lex, for god's sake! Maybe she wants to use it for moral purpouses (or claims to), but the way she obtained it (even if it's from a devil like Lex) is immoral.
As for Clark Kent's character.... He will get closure only if he will initiate it. I mean, you move on beacuse you feel eliberated and ready to go on, not because she left you to sacrifice herself for the greater good an so you are obligated to. I will apreciate this "Lana Lang" arc only if Clark will learn something from it and become, finally, a MAN.
Just my opinions, sorry if I bothered someone.

[myankskent]

Also, how can a man who is supposed to have one of the purest hearts in the world of heroes forget and forgive in a second that even the way Lana Lang got the suit is truly immoral? I mean, she practically STOLE it from Lex, for god's sake!


To be honest, I would have a hard time siding with Clark if he felt that stealing was wrong given that he has done it a whole bunch of times on this show. Now, if Lana took the suit and started taking things to the extreme like she did in "Wrath", then that's clearly something that Clark should have a problem with. Unfortunately, this was a storyline that pretty much didn't lead to anything last season between Clark and Lana.




As for Clark Kent's character.... He will get closure only if he will initiate it. I mean, you move on beacuse you feel eliberated and ready to go on, not because she left you to sacrifice herself for the greater good an so you are obligated to. I will apreciate this "Lana Lang" arc only if Clark will learn something from it and become, finally, a MAN.


I think this is an excellent point. The question that I am going to ask myself going into next week's episode is what did Clark learn? Did he come to some realization about his relationship with Lana because he was forced into it or was it something that was based on his choice and his choice alone? The answer to this question is going to be what will ultimately help me decide whether or not I like Clois in the Smallville future.

[Iluvgreen]

This i s exactly what I was thinking. Clark can just go and forget that he was about to kiss Lois, just because of an exgirlfriend. He just forgot about everything he went through in the first half of this season.

[Anu]

Smallville's Clark kent is the worst boyfriend ever. I wouldn't never treat a woman like that. What a shame!

[superboyx]

i totally agree with you, esp wtf bring lois to smallville when
they were supposed to meet in metropolis:mad: he didnt even
learn to fly yet and you give lana all these powers that she
never had and never was supposed to have like ever, and

doomsday looks amazing and it is the biggest leap any
superman show or movie has ever made, i give them props for
that but now that you have your doomsday, what do you intend
to do with him, trash him? because clark obviously cant beat
him and if he does we all know thats BS! because he cant even
fly, and this show has soooo many gaps to fill i dont know how
they will when we only have few episodes remaining then

smallville is gone forever, that means No more episodes of our
favorite show..:(
there needs to be a decent clark/doomsday fight before the end
of the episode at least because i think that plus a lios & clark
kiss is the most antisipated, i would say lex returning but thats
def not gonna happen.

I feel so bad for lios its like he doesnt even give a crap about her and all that they have been through.. thats why they brought her in too early, this show is a what if show like
"What if Lois came to smallville before Clark ever considered putting on a cape"

i love lana but this is a superman show not about lana getting her powers and reaching beyond clarks level, it pisses me off
that SMALLVILLE is suposed to be everything that happens before clark matures and leaves smallville, if you wanted to move on to more superman aspects you should make another show maybe named metropolis or something and continue their.
i hope they think of something after this show is over maybe about superboy and then you can do whatever you want with him because nobody really knows about him.. it be pretty cool esp because im a superboy fan

[dreamsofnever]

Smallville's Clark kent is the worst boyfriend ever. I wouldn't never treat a woman like that. What a shame!

Aww, sounds like you're a keeper, Anu!

So, I'm still upset at them for starting Clois, especially for putting Lois out there, but I think Lois will come back with her walls sky high and we'll see the more iconic interaction between them, with Lois keeping him at arm's length and ignoring him/overlooking him/being snarky with him.

At least they're giving us reason for how Lois is to CK.

I think the hopes with this is that they're making Lois a sympathetic character even while she becomes pretty distant to Clark.

On the one hand, I hope we get another season so they don't try to rush to have Clois fr the finale and so Lois keeps him at arm's length.

On the other, I'm not sure I want PS3 messing with their love story any more. Leave our wonderful 70 year long romance alone-don't turn it into teen drama fodder. :)

[shase]

Yeah I like Lana and I wouldn't mide to see both kissing and whatever,but after showing us Clois It is just wrong...and the DP scene was just what the %$&#

[LuckyLois]

Do any of you guys think the writers are going to hear how downright appalled we are or do you think they will stay in LA LA LAnd?

[Sunny8]

This show dishonored the comics when they allowed the iconic superman and Lois kiss on the daily planet with Lana and Clark. Ashame they should be.

Actually, I was thinking about this and really all this showed is that Lana and Clark do not have any history together outside of SV. They don't have a place where they kissed unless they go to that oak tree that TW french kissed KK under in season 2 towards the end. It really showed how lacking the Clark and Lana relationship is. They have no 'our place' like Lois and Clark.

[Jade4813]

Do any of you guys think the writers are going to hear how downright appalled we are or do you think they will stay in LA LA LAnd?

I'm afraid they won't. Or if they do, they just won't get it. I think that's their fundamental problem. They don't get what makes Superman the greatest hero who ever lived. They don't get what makes Clois the most enduring love story of our time. I don't think they get that this story - or why this story - means so much to so many. I don't even know that they get what makes a healthy romance.

Even if they see it, I think it's quite clear they just don't get it.

[borednow]

Clark: Lois, about what almost happened at Chloe's wedding.

Lois: Clark, let's just forget it. Chloe filled me in on what happened with you and Lana. I understand. You and I, we are friends. Besides we'd drive each other crazy.

(forced laugh to kill the awkward moment)

Lois: I know I railed on you before about the Clark and Lana rollercoaster, but I'm really sorry to hear about what happened with you and Lana. And if you need to talk, I'm hear for you. And I won't give you a hard time.

(Gives him a hard punch in the arm) (Shakes her hand in pain)

Lois: Ouch Smallville. You been working out?

Clark: (laughs to himself) Thanks Lois. Thanks for understanding.

Lois: Not a problem.

Clark walks away. Lois gives him a forlorn look and starts typing on her computer.

And they should not go down the Clois road until next season. Give them time to be friends. Please don't lightswitch a Clois relationship in the next episode. I know Clanaers won't like it, but I suspect some Cloiser won't either.

I see it going more like this:

Clark: Lois, about what almost happened at Chloe's wedding...

Lois: Yeah I haven't got any leads on the giant monster, but I've been working on it...

Clark: No I mean we-

Lois: Danced? Yeah you're a terrible dancer but I'll get over it, I have work to do.

Clark: Lois... I'd really like to talk about this!

Lois: *looking at her computer screen* Then I suggest you hire a psychiatrist, they are paid to listen to that type of crap... hey what do we have here.

Clark: I mean with you...

Lois *grabs her coat*: Uh-huh- *heads to the elevator*

Clark: Wait Lois! *elevator door closes in his face*

[Bizarrolover]

Actually, I was thinking about this and really all this showed is that Lana and Clark do not have any history together outside of SV. They don't have a place where they kissed unless they go to that oak tree that TW french kissed KK under in season 2 towards the end. It really showed how lacking the Clark and Lana relationship is. They have no 'our place' like Lois and Clark.

Usually the loft/barn is their place, that's where most of their romantic moments and breakups took place. Also Smallville's hospital, they went there a lot, mostly Lana.

[individuall]

i see it going more like this:

Clark: Lois, about what almost happened at chloe's wedding...

Lois: Yeah i haven't got any leads on the giant monster, but i've been working on it...

Clark: No i mean we-

lois: Danced? Yeah you're a terrible dancer but i'll get over it, i have work to do.

Clark: Lois... I'd really like to talk about this!

Lois: *looking at her computer screen* then i suggest you hire a psychiatrist, they are paid to listen to that type of crap... Hey what do we have here.

Clark: I mean with you...

Lois *grabs her coat*: Uh-huh- *heads to the elevator*

clark: Wait lois! *elevator door closes in his face*

Yes! :D

[supes0]

Usually the loft/barn is their place, that's where most of their romantic moments and breakups took place. Also Smallville's hospital, they went there a lot, mostly Lana.

:rotfl:

[borednow]

Yes! :D

:D I just don't see Lois being all wishy washy and supportive after all that...

[bigblueplanet]

Dear PS3

I have been a fan of Smallville since Episode 1 season 1. I’ve never felt more cheated, more disappointed and more aggravated with this show than I have in this four episode horror Assassinate Clark Kent’s characters and morals arc.

Was this to mock the Superman fans? Was this to ridicule the Clark Kent fans? Or was this to slam the door on Lois Lane fans? Can you please tell me? And we thought that Al & Miles were worst when it came to Lana worship.

Season 8 started on a high note. Episodes like Odyssey, Prey and Identity were great milestones in Clark Kent’s development as a hero that we assumed he will become. Then there were other episodes like Instinct, Committed and Bloodline that marked the beginnings of his epic romance with Lois Joanne Lane, a romance that has been loved and cherished for 70 years, because it is a tale of love and devotion between two completely different characters from two different worlds. Welling and Durance are the most beautiful people to ever play Clark and Lois and their chemistry is just so sparkling and flawless that every scene with these two in it always has been a joy to watch since Crusade. We fans have been dreaming how wonderful it would be when the iconic romance will finally begin between these two characters.

Last year, we had lost all hope of Lois and Clark’s relationship ever getting touched in Smallville and Clark ever becoming anything remotely close to Superman. But S8 gave us hope. You people gave us hope, so you could finally do more damage than Al Miles ever could have done, because they never started the romance between Lois and Clark. At least they had that much respect for Lois and Clark that while they could not get over their Lana worship, they did not involve Lois in the mess and left it to the viewers’ imagination that someday this ‘teenage boy’ will grow up and love the woman that Superman is supposed to fall for.

We thought that S8 will be the season for Superman fans, for Lois fans, but alas, we were in for more disappointment and pain than Al Miles could ever manage to give us. First the mythos got twisted around by Lois falling for Clark first, then, just when we saw the glimpses that Clark is finally falling for the right woman, the disaster that sank the ratings and alienated the viewers from this show makes a return. Why did you touch the Lois and Clark romance if you had to shred not only the epic romance into pieces but to kill Clark’s dignity and morals completely in the process? Will this guy become Superman? He’s not even a man! He’s just a whiny teenage girl. Yes, that’s what he is. He doesn’t deserve Lois.

Why should he? He gave false hopes to her, and while she’s gone, he’s kissing and sleeping with his ex, the woman who left him to marry his arch enemy, the woman who could not even tell the difference between him and his evil clone, the woman who loves no one but herself. And this super power crap? Do you honestly think you can shove See how wonderful Lana Lang is down our throats and we’ll believe you?

Why did Clark show interest in having a relationship with Lois when he had to dump her for his ex the moment she walked in? And are we to believe that this man will ever be sincere with Lois? He’s not even sincere and honest to himself.

What did Lois do to deserve this from Clark? Can you tell us? Why did you treat this legendary character like crap? Lois is a second best to whom? Lana Lang who’s made up of nothing but lies? Sorry, I disagree to take it anymore. Lois Lane is second to no one.

In every incarnation of Superman, where Clark Kent actually is Superman and has morals, sense of right and wrong, ethics and principals, he falls madly in love with Lois. There is no past history with a great love of his life who could not be with him because she’s covered in Kryptonite. NO!! Clark Kent falls for Lois Lane because he wants to love her, to be with her. Lois Lane falls for Clark because she loves him for his principles and his simplicity.

This Lois has fallen for Clark for all the right reasons but this Clark? Does not deserve Lois!! He does not deserve any great woman. He deserves Lana only. Because he has no morals. He has no qualms about breaking Lois’s heart.

So dear PS3, please keep this Clark away from Lois. I am not interested in Clark or his journey anymore. I can never believe that this man can stand for truth and justice because he does not even know the meaning of these words. He wants to be lied to, how can he love truth? He wants to be with a woman who has no sense of right and wrong, how can he love justice?

Forget even Lois and Clark for a moment, just how pathetic have you made Clark? You’ve regressed his character to a point from where he can never recover.

I will watch the episodes with Erica Durance because I simply love and adore her. I will watch for Lois Lane but please, don’t further the relationship between Lois and Clark anymore. I don’t want that fickle man and a failure of a character and disaster of a hero to be anywhere near Lois. Because the only reason Lois and Clark end up together in all incarnations of Superman is that they sincerely and deeply fall in love with each other. YOU can never make that believable with the joke that you’ve created with Clark Kent, so please don’t even bother.

Thanks a lot.

PS: Will not watch Requiem. Cannot digest any more massacres of Clark’s character and morals.

SO. MUCH. WORD.

Why PS3 starts Clois?
Certainly ' tease' is one way to discribe it. But in this case? They did much more than that IMO.
The post I quoted said it all.

-Assassinate Clark Kent’s characters and morals
-Shred not only the epic romance into pieces but to kill Clark’s dignity
-Totally mock the Superman Mythos. (Thus Superman fans, too)

And yes. I think SVClark deserves SVLana only.

[individuall]

:D I just don't see Lois being all wishy washy and supportive after all that...

I agree. Bring on dismissive Lois Lane. I've missed her, so. :)

[Sunny8]

Usually the loft/barn is their place, that's where most of their romantic moments and breakups took place. Also Smallville's hospital, they went there a lot, mostly Lana.

The loft does not remind of Lana and Clark. It is more Clark's place to me. She just happened to be there sometimes like Pete, Chloe, his father or his mom.

[skugers]

SO. MUCH. WORD.

Why PS3 starts Clois?
Certainly ' tease' is one way to discribe it. But in this case? They did much more than that IMO.
The post I quoted said it all.

-Assassinate Clark Kent’s characters and morals
-Shred not only the epic romance into pieces but to kill Clark’s dignity
-Totally mock the Superman Mythos. (Thus Superman fans, too)

And yes. I think SVClark deserves SVLana only.

i couldn't agree more. thank you

[tippership commander]

I posted this in the Clois thread...and I'm going to re-post it here.


I honestly think Lois will not only not be clarks second choice, but their epic love cant be tainted. Right now...I can fully admitt, the love Clark has for Lana is stronger then that he has for Lois. But that's to be expected...how long has he loved Lana? And the feelings between Clark and Lois are just beginning to boil to the surface.

So after a few episodes Clark will realize it's been over for a long time...and he's just been holding on to a dream. He so badly wants to share his life with someone. Lana already knows his secret...and at this point she's actually the easier choice.

Clarks holding on to something that was gone along time ago...and I dont want him to be with Lois until he's completely over Lana. Which will happen before she leaves...I'm sure of it.

Then, we can make room for the iconic love that is Lois and Clark! Will it be second best...absolutely not. It will be things Clana could never dream of.


HECK yea


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oh, i'd better address the first post, first..
PS3 , thanks for bringing Lana back ,and making use of the feelings that Clark has for Lana

We all know you'e setting up for a grand Entrance to CLOIS, and Saturn Girl DID sai that Lana 's destiny was to help make him suprman

SO, you gave Lana powers way earlier than you did in the comics? that's allright. YOu've made so many other things work by introducing them earlier, such as the Flash , the Justive league begennngs....it's all good.

And, it sets it up fun.


But, You really pulled one this time. YOu've got most CLOIS fans thnking Clark can't be redeemed...
And then, before we know it, Clark's feelings for Lois will burn through, and CLOIS will live on...
Clark's growing up, and it's the most controversial way...

i applaud you for having the master plan, and hope you send Lana off well, in a way that shows that Clark does have feelings for Lana, but destiny calls...


Season after season, you've given a roller coaster ride...Yet, as you proved, Clark is becoming Superman one way or the oher...a Nice learning curve you've given him too..it's really bumpy..

Oh, wait, in the comics TODAY, and animated shows ,Clark's just the same......with his decisions...

so, you're not off base ,AT ALL.

i will watch this o the very end, knowin that Superman is coming, and that all former story arcs and intrests (including love intrests) will fall into their place in history like a puzzle. It's a shame that the way you put the puzzle pieces together, made many watchers stop watching because they lost faith .....even though they gave Almiles way more seasons to advance superman than they've given you..
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[LovelyLoisLane]

I have no clue at all why they even started things with Clois if this was the direction they were going to go. If the message they are sending is that Clark can never get over Lana, EVER, then just sail that ship. I absolutely loathe it for Clark, and I think it does him a horrible disservice, but at least it doesn't drag in any other characters. Why they choose to go this route? I simply cannot fathom the thinking.

You bring up a good point.

Ya know, I'm not nearly as mad as the lot of you, but I am disappointed in the writers. Not because of Clana but because of the extreme Mary Sue writing in the episode. Jr. High kids (and sometimes people who aren’t teeny boppers, but instead people who are old enough to know better) on fan fiction.net that have zero clue what a good story is, and often don't have very many literary skills, would have written something with this plot. Believe me, I've read such stories. When I'm feeling down in the doldrums and have writers block, I read crap so I can remind myself of why a good writer, like myself, needs to keep going.

I'm EXTREMELY disappointed in them.

But, looking at Clana, and well still liking Lolliepop better than Clois, I can still see why going this SuperLana/Clana route is bad.

It makes Clark look immature, indecisive and self serving. All things that I KNOW he isn't, that are none of the things that embody Superman. Clark IS Superman, that persona is a part of who he is at his core, so anyone that says 'but this is still a pre-story' as a way to excuse un-supermanly behavior, you are wrong. The suit and the name don't make the man, the man makes the man. Superman is what Clark is inside. Heroic, decent, intelligent and compassionate.

Having Clana rekindle so soon before Clois starts up again . . . it makes it look like he leaned in to kiss Lois because it was convenient and as soon as Lana shows up and Lois disappears, Clark can't do anything but 'live in the moment' instead of thinking about how it affects the rest of his life and then when Lana is gone he makes goo-goo eyes at Lois in such a way that Chloe can clearly see that he has fallen hard for Lois (Hex), implies that he didn't care that much about Lana to begin with by jumping into love with another woman when Lana is gone. Out of sight out of mind with both girls.

And we had Superman this season, we had a very masculine Clark who was positive and heroic, had inner strength, compassion, maturity, decisiveness, and selflessness. Now it seems as if the reins have been handed to Lana and she took Clark's maturity, decision making ability and self strength. The episode ended and it STILL wasn't clear what Clark was thinking. Especially after his less-than-pleased attitude about her having her powers. Which I don't blame him for; that was ridiculous. More on that later.

It seems that in the past, with all due respect to fans of the relationship, Clana frequently had upsets that ended with Lana looking like a victim that came out of the toilet smelling like a rose. While those many occasions ended with Clark looking like a chump that came out of the toilet smelling like a turd. I’m totally fine with Lana being empowered, but turning her into Wonder Woman and having her be a martyr, or a super heroine or any thing like that, well it isn’t necessary and I hate how they have taken away from Clark to accomplish that goal. This episode makes me very fearful that Lana will indeed go out with a bang but Clark will be left whimpering. She will be gone after ‘Requiem’ but Clark will still be here, and turning him into a sap instead of a super man? It is totally unacceptable. They could have made Lana the hero they wanted, they could end Clana on a good note that doesn’t disrespect either Lana or Clark (or Lois and Clois for that matter), and all that without damaging Clark and the rest of his life because of it. Propping up Lana while kicking Clark into the gutter is just wrong. Wrong and not needed. This episode unfortunately propped Lana up so high, that all Clark can do is stare after her when she is gone, instead of just looking ahead brightly to his own future. It is also plain wrong to not let Clark move on, to make any relationship he has after Lana look like second best. Clark deserves to be really happy, and he can’t be if he is never allowed to move on in a healthy way. The woman that he is with, be it Lois, Chloe, Lori (mermaid fiancé from the comics) or whoever also deserves to be in a good relationship, because NO woman deserves to be sloppy seconds. Maybe they, the powers that be, the writers, the producers, Willy Wonka, whomever, can fix this in the next episode . . . but I just don’t know if I really believe that. I’m going to at least try and keep the faith, but doing so doesn’t curb my utter disappointment of this episode.

On the note of ‘powers’ . . .

There are plenty of characters that can kick butt and 'really help people' without having super powers. Green Arrow and Batman for a start. Not to mention real-life heroes like the Fire Department and the Police Force. Clark's abilities he has finally learned to use the right way but they remain a side dressing to who he is, they aren't the main course. Without them, he'd still be a hero because a hero is what you are at the heart of your being, not your abilities.

Villains are the ones that have powers trips and seem to think they always need to be a god among men to get things done, and some of them had 'the best intentions' but because of their skewed view those intentions led straight to Hell. Clark needed to have years to be able to accept, deal with, and properly use his abilities. Like they said in 'Spiderman' "With great strength, comes great responsibility." A person needs to acclimate to that. Lana slips into some suit and suddenly has everything under control, has the perfect idea of what to do? I doubt it very much, in fact a lot of her rationalizing sounded like it was coming from a female version of a mentally unstable Lex, back when he still thought he was the good guy. Maybe he still does, who knows.

It was unnecessary for them to turn Lana into a hero by making her dependant on a nano-suit and turning her into a vanilla version of Wonder Woman. Making Lana into a heroine without turning her into Mary Sue Extraordinaire wouldn't have been that hard. They could have, for instance, had Lana realize how dangerous that suit was and destroy it so no one could use it. Something that Tess, a character that was one of the ‘villains’ for this season wanted to do. There’s irony for you. That would have been heroic, decent writing and wouldn't have made her nearly as much of a Mary Sue. She should never eclipse Clark as the hero and in trying to be his ‘equal’ she only makes him less important to the story.

I want Clana fans to be happy, I want Lana fans to be happy, but not at the expense of Clark fans, Lois fans, Chloe fans or anyone else.


OH, and it just hit me that some people might not give a fig about fan created fiction, or even know much about the terms that have become common in such fan groups. So for everybody seeing me talking about Mary Sues and not knowing what in the heck I’m talking about . . . It’s definition time!

AestheticWriter defines the term quite well in this quote.


Mary Sue - A term probably originating in the Star Trek fandom. A female character embodying a set of stereotypical perfections who is inserted arbitrarily into a fan universe where she becomes the focus of everyone's love, admiration and interest. Wise, understanding, talented, mysterious, sexual, enchanting, you name it. More recently you can add - having super human abilities - to the list, as that trait has become common in fantasy/science fiction stories. Some argue that MSs are idealized versions of the writer, which sometimes happens in stories coined ’self-inserts’ but the generic sameness of the MS character suggests she's more the kind of person the writer(s) would like to be. These days MSs are serene survivors of terrible events who have acquired Deep Wisdom. One might see a connection between the changing character and the aging of the fan base.

In closing I'd like to say that the writers dropped the ball with this episode, but it hasn't left the court, and if they were going to push Clois they way they did that maybe now they will take their time with it and make it something worth working for. I hope so for both Clark and Lois' sake.

[borednow]

I agree. Bring on dismissive Lois Lane. I've missed her, so. :)

I hope she makes Clark cry! :lol:

Clark: Lois, I really want things to be like they were before...
Lois *shrugs*: and people in hell want ice-water. Now if you'll excuse me I have a red blue blur to catch...

[ClarksGal]

You know what I wish? I wish that you hadn't given us episodes like "Committed" or gave us such an awesome first half... because you showed us what SV could be and then, immediately, pulled it away and ruined it all. You showed us that you're capable of so much more than what you choose to give us.

That's exactly how I feel.

[Clana4Life]

Then I guess asuming that when Clark pulled Lois to dance and went in for a kiss it was only because "he was feeling lonely, weddings tend to do that" is not fanwanking :rotfl: seriously???

I think perhaps the last scene in Commited when Clark looked disapointed Lois had taken off the sensor can be taken both ways, or that Maxima noticing that the only way Clark could have pulled away was if he had strong feelings for Lois can be fanwanked into oblivion but Clark going going after her when she was avoiding him, pulling her in for a dance and going in for a kiss is defintively NOT something I would consider ambiguous on Clark´s part, we know he´s not a player, the only girls Clark iniciates kisses with are girls he actually likes.

But yeah, he pulls her in, he´s about to kiss her and its me who´s fanwanking:rolleyes:

The fact that you hate Clois and that I like it (used to) doesnt make what happened any less true.

I think he likes Lois. I think there's an attraction, but at this point I don't think he's in love with her. Right now the feelings he has for Lois don't compare to what he feels for Lana and has felt for her all his life. Right now Clois hasn't had enough time to develop something deep and meaningful. I think that comes with being in an actual relationship. This is why I think the almost kiss was forgotten. I don't think he's a player or wishy-washy (we'll have this conversation again after Hex), but I think he has a lot of history with Lana and a deep love for her that nothing else can rival right now. I think if the writers pursue Lois in Season 9 (I hope they don't start it this year), and Lana comes back at the end of Season 9, Clark really will be torn and rightly so. By this time I think he will probably love both deeply.

[dezperado]

The show has never been about the Superman legend...although it was told to us that it was. We haven't seen how he comes up with the glasses gimmick or his true training with Jor-El. Also, Clark is an adult already and no freaking flying?!?!? Gimmie a break. If the original writers didn't want to include the tights or flying, fine, but they shouldn't have stated it. I think letting us believe it was possible would have made the show that more appealing. The over-all potential for a Superman show based on his coming to be Superman is huge, and the past and current writers have barely even tapped into that potential! I'm stating the obvious, but venting sure feels good.

[eas]

I see it going more like this:

Clark: Lois, about what almost happened at Chloe's wedding...

Lois: Yeah I haven't got any leads on the giant monster, but I've been working on it...

Clark: No I mean we-

Lois: Danced? Yeah you're a terrible dancer but I'll get over it, I have work to do.

Clark: Lois... I'd really like to talk about this!

Lois: *looking at her computer screen* Then I suggest you hire a psychiatrist, they are paid to listen to that type of crap... hey what do we have here.

Clark: I mean with you...

Lois *grabs her coat*: Uh-huh- *heads to the elevator*

Clark: Wait Lois! *elevator door closes in his face*

Could she also drop a K-nite brick on his foot, too?

Please?

[Wicked Lois]

I want Clark away from Lois.

[Mr.White35]

The show has never been about the Superman legend...although it was told to us that it was. We haven't seen how he comes up with the glasses gimmick or his true training with Jor-El. Also, Clark is an adult already and no freaking flying?!?!? Gimmie a break. If the original writers didn't want to include the tights or flying, fine, but they shouldn't have stated it. I think letting us believe it was possible would have made the show that more appealing. The over-all potential for a Superman show based on his coming to be Superman is huge, and the past and current writers have barely even tapped into that potential! I'm stating the obvious, but venting sure feels good.


Agreed 110% :)

[aBR]

In closing I'd like to say that the writers dropped the ball with this episode, but it hasn't left the court, and if they were going to push Clois they way they did that maybe now they will take their time with it and make it something worth working for. I hope so for both Clark and Lois' sake.

You know what I was thinking was ... Does the Lana Lang character really lack that much depth that they've had to resort to jeopardizing the rest of the characters and the story itself? But your post doesn't make me think so as you point out how many different directions they could have gone. Now I'm just at a loss at to "why"?

I'm obviously disappointed in this episode, but like you, I am still hoping (I hope not in denial) that I will still be able to enjoy what is to come of this Superman and Lois and Clark story.

Right now, I feel like I've just been Rick 'rolled on You Tube! :\

[borednow]

Could she also drop a K-nite brick on his foot, too?

Please?

*Clark looks at Lois across the desk from him. Lois is busy*
Clark: Look Lois...
*Lois circles something with her pen*
Clark: I miss us...
*Lois still doesn't seem to be listening*
Clark: Look I just wish we could talk... I know things didn't exactly go as either of us planned and everything was so unexpected but... Lois could you just listen to me!
Lois *As she's typing*: I'm listening, whine whine, something, Lana... whine, whine...

[Vergon6]

*Clark looks at Lois across the desk from him. Lois is busy*
Clark: Look Lois...
*Lois circles something with her pen*
Clark: I miss us...
*Lois still doesn't seem to be listening*
Clark: Look I just wish we could talk... I know things didn't exactly go as either of us planned and everything was so unexpected but... Lois could you just listen to me!
Lois *As she's typing*: I'm listening, whine whine, something, Lana... whine, whine...
:lol:

[Lazy Boy]

*Clark looks at Lois across the desk from him. Lois is busy*
Clark: Look Lois...
*Lois circles something with her pen*
Clark: I miss us...
*Lois still doesn't seem to be listening*
Clark: Look I just wish we could talk... I know things didn't exactly go as either of us planned and everything was so unexpected but... Lois could you just listen to me!
Lois *As she's typing*: I'm listening, whine whine, something, Lana... whine, whine...

:rotfl:

[dreamsofnever]

*Clark looks at Lois across the desk from him. Lois is busy*
Clark: Look Lois...
*Lois circles something with her pen*
Clark: I miss us...
*Lois still doesn't seem to be listening*
Clark: Look I just wish we could talk... I know things didn't exactly go as either of us planned and everything was so unexpected but... Lois could you just listen to me!
Lois *As she's typing*: I'm listening, whine whine, something, Lana... whine, whine...

:lol:

That was brilliant!!!

[llk6165]

Those who where on board with the Clana knew that it was sooner or later coming to an end so please don't tell us to suck it up because Lois and Clark are not a side story like Clana is. Our indignation is with the writers of the show and their treatment of Lois Lane's character.




I agree with you. Actually I think all the ships have gotten scre... a raw deal. I feel bad for everyone. It was poor planning and vision.

[borednow]

:lol:

That was brilliant!!!

Happy I could make so many people laugh. :D

[llk6165]

Exactly,. Cloisers only had went through this situation once and they are complaning about that. What about us... Clana fans? This show is supposed to be about smallville not metropolis. about lana and clark and not lois and clark.


You make a good point. Clana in Smallville and Clois in Metropolis. My problem with the writers is they put Clark in Metropolis. An earlier post said something to the effect that they needed something for Clark to do with KK leaving. I wish they could have come up with something better than messing both Clana and Clois ships. Say for example, Clark finishing up with college, doing his training with Jor El. One episode he told Lois he"s going away up north (for training) then the next epi his at the farm milking cows (not quite, but you get the point). Part of the problem they were too focused on the women. The show was supposed to be about Superman's past and how he became Superman, not the story of Superman's past women. All messed up for everyone. It's too bad because there was something to offer in every ship. Even I could have appreciated a Clana in Smallville ship. I liked the Clana idea when I first saw it years ago, (except for Clark spying on her with a telescope). I tried to stick with the show. but the writing and place where the story ended up was too redundant and goofy for me. I tuned out, and only came back because of the strong Clois tease. Then I got more of the the part of Clana that did not work for me. I agree with those who think they had no business bringing Lois into this series (at least not way back in Season 4). I feel duped. I feel all the ships got duped.

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----


*Clark looks at Lois across the desk from him. Lois is busy*
Clark: Look Lois...
*Lois circles something with her pen*
Clark: I miss us...
*Lois still doesn't seem to be listening*
Clark: Look I just wish we could talk... I know things didn't exactly go as either of us planned and everything was so unexpected but... Lois could you just listen to me!
Lois *As she's typing*: I'm listening, whine whine, something, Lana... whine, whine...


That is classic Iconic Lois Lane!! Love it. Send it in to SV before she comes back. Maybe there is time to reshoot the scene.. Good work!!!

----- Added 5 Minutes later -----


Thanks for the warm welcome Mythosgirl and Sana!

I also don't buy the "this still isn't Superman", "this is Smallville" argument. It's the "making of" Superman ... not the story untold --- surprise! :rolleyes:

Superman-in-the-making's romance is with Lang at the loft ... but at the Daily Planet rooftop? :(

You are right. It would be like writing a series about how Kris Kringle became Santa Claus, and surprise, surprise, the love of his life his one soulmate that he could never get over was ... someone other than Mrs. Claus.

[mistigirl]

Hope this is the place to put this....
_______________________________

Dear Smallville producers,

Thank you ever so much for ruining 70 years of history by defiling one of the bastions in Superman history, the DP rooftop.

It wasn't enough that in an effort to praise your Almighty Lana you had to step on any character you could (is there ever a need for that?) you decided to also spit at Superman fans's faces - esp. the audience that could sustain your precious ratings and future DVD sales (because make no mistake your Lana [wor]shippers will drop you like old socks if they even bothered to watch your drivel of Lana-arc) - using one of the symbols they hold dear and represents the quintessential sanctum of the future Superman and Lois Lane's. Do what you will with your barn/loft/FOS, use and abuse it all you want, but do not mess with the DP rooftop. We already acknowledged Clark Kent is not Superman yet, thanks to you we now also trust he will not become Superman under your pen.

You built this season with a Clark getting stronger and more assertive, you get him to get closer and closer to Lois (when there was no real need to do so and so early - another character you felt no qualms stepping on) only to have him regress to a docile, hormon-driven, puppy with no freewill or will to think AT ALL. Show me Clark/Lana closure, show me adult and honest confrontation of their past or even recent "relationship" or do not show me any Clark/Lana interaction at all. This blind thoughtless jumping into old habits and bed with no resolution in sight is tiresome and reflects badly on your "writing skills". So this is what you have been concocting all summer for Lana's return? This is the event that would have us go 'wow', the "truly monumental thing taking place that [you] don't think any fan is going to want to miss"? Do you think us all fools or Lana worshippers? Because I am sorry I didn't get to unpack the Lana blinders you cared to pack in the DVD sets, silly me! Or am I simply immune to the uninteresting and frankly boring worship hammering you attempt every chance you get to have her onscreen? The Lana conversion attempts were tiresome until s7, this season, when interrupting a good refreshing angst-free season, they're plain insulting!

Clark basically spent the whole of Power discovering how ruthless in her quest for power Lana really is, how eager she is to be his "equal" (as futile as Clark's to be normal) only to end up getting back together with her without *anything* being addressed or resolved (and don't give us a "Requiem" has not been aired yet and will answer questions, because we know it won't!). What you showed while spitting on us is how those two will never get any closure because 'fate kept apart' via kryptonite and bad writing in a preposterous supposedly "star-crossed lovers" manner.

But really what am I thinking, even now trying to reason with you and make you understand how you defiled Superman history, you don't even show the slightest respect for the main character, Clark Kent (yeah I feel compelled to name him to avoid confusion on who becomes Superman in the end or at least should be the protagonist...).

You can rest assured this will not be forgotten and whichever way you attempt to fix the wrong made with this "Lana" arc of yours, you have forever spoiled, tainted the history of Superman. Yes, I ashamedly admit I was naive enough to trust in you at the beginning, spreading the good word among people who had lost faith in any redeemable Smallville. I had been getting people to start watching the show again. I still had some hope for a redeeming writing for this iconic character, or the iconic persona he could be. How wrong was I, how very naive indeed of me to ever assume people who openly stated that they "still hear Gough&Millar's voices in their head" could make up for the damage perpetrated in the recent seasons (S7 being the most appalling example). Really this is not hearing Gough&Millar, this is playing out their twisted (Lana4ever) playbook.

Power made no sense and I could label it the worst episode ever but I heard you hatched another one even worse yet to air.

So to return the favor, this new baby of yours will go unsupported by fans you don't seem to give a damn about. This fan of Smallville's will reverse the engine and apologize to all and any person she misled into putting faith into you again.

Thanking you again, for nothing but disheartening trust abuse.

_______________________________


I mean no disrespect to Clana shippers (deep down) and apologize for the way my letter to the Producers sounds with their regards. This is just the expression of my personal frustration at the recent (and anticipated) events and I thought it more honest to post the letter here in its entirety as I sent it, uncensored.
I just feel I should share how Power made me feel in all honesty.

I have also found I agreed with things several people from all ships have expressed in this thread. Looking forward to reading more. Biggest wish is to have some semblance of explanation from the producers - ideally before or upon Requiem airing.

[LovelyLoisLane]

You are right. It would be like writing a series about how Kris Kringle became Santa Claus, and surprise, surprise, the love of his life his one soulmate that he could never get over was ... someone other than Mrs. Claus.

Or making a King Arthur show where the good king married someone other than Guinevere. ;) I don't have a problem with exploring options, especially in pre-stories where it essentially a given, but when the pre-made end result of the story you are telling has been that much of a part of the legend you should respect the place that end has in the future, not make it look like something less than stellar and definitely not something that would make the main character who becomes a great person into not such a great person.

This storyline in Power just did nothing for Clark OR Lana.

I mean, in the comics what Clark admires most about his loved ones is that they are mortal, they are human and far more fragile than he is, but they still go head long into danger, KNOWING it is dangerous, but they have no super powers to speak of, just flesh and bone between them and death. Which makes them even more admirable because of that.

And that also seems to be the case in SV. Even as far back as the second season where Clark grudgingly had to admit his admiration for Whitney, who didn't have any abilties but still became a hero by enlisting in the marines. And again with the cops in Bulletproof, though there were no statement made blankly about it you could tell he still admired the decent cops greatly, because they put their life on the line day after day, without any super abilties to keep them safe. Nothing but a bulletproof vest and their skills and they still went out there, even those that had wives and children at home. He seemed amazed and in deep admiration that men like Danny could keep going.

It is something that he openly admires about Lois in the DC verse. How human she is, with her flaws and her mistakes but for all that is a good person inside.

Also in SV Clark did not seemed pleased that Lana had abilties, and that would be in character from what we have seen. How long did he see his abilties as a burden? It has only been recently that he really started welcoming some of them, but even then it still reamins clear that he thinks much of humanity, and Lana is a human. It would seem he would like her more for being a heroine without abilties because it represent one of things he admires most about Earthlings. Their strength even though their bodies are fragile.

[bigblueplanet]

Hope this is the place to put this....
_______________________________

Dear Smallville producers,

Thank you ever so much for ruining 70 years of history by defiling one of the bastions in Superman history, the DP rooftop.

It wasn't enough that in an effort to praise your Almighty Lana you had to step on any character you could (is there ever a need for that?) you decided to also spit at Superman fans's faces - esp. the audience that could sustain your precious ratings and future DVD sales (because make no mistake your Lana [wor]shippers will drop you like old socks if they even bothered to watch your drivel of Lana-arc) - using one of the symbols they hold dear and represents the quintessential sanctum of the future Superman and Lois Lane's. Do what you will with your barn/loft/FOS, use and abuse it all you want, but do not mess with the DP rooftop. We already acknowledged Clark Kent is not Superman yet, thanks to you we now also trust he will not become Superman under your pen.

You built this season with a Clark getting stronger and more assertive, you get him to get closer and closer to Lois (when there was no real need to do so and so early - another character you felt no qualms stepping on) only to have him regress to a docile, hormon-driven, puppy with no freewill or will to think AT ALL. Show me Clark/Lana closure, show me adult and honest confrontation of their past or even recent "relationship" or do not show me any Clark/Lana interaction at all. This blind thoughtless jumping into old habits and bed with no resolution in sight is tiresome and reflects badly on your "writing skills". So this is what you have been concocting all summer for Lana's return? This is the event that would have us go 'wow', the "truly monumental thing taking place that [you] don't think any fan is going to want to miss"? Do you think us all fools or Lana worshippers? Because I am sorry I didn't get to unpack the Lana blinders you cared to pack in the DVD sets, silly me! Or am I simply immune to the uninteresting and frankly boring worship hammering you attempt every chance you get to have her onscreen? The Lana conversion attempts were tiresome until s7, this season, when interrupting a good refreshing angst-free season, they're plain insulting!

Clark basically spent the whole of Power discovering how ruthless in her quest for power Lana really is, how eager she is to be his "equal" (as futile as Clark's to be normal) only to end up getting back together with her without *anything* being addressed or resolved (and don't give us a "Requiem" has not been aired yet and will answer questions, because we know it won't!). What you showed while spitting on us is how those two will never get any closure because 'fate kept apart' via kryptonite and bad writing in a preposterous supposedly "star-crossed lovers" manner.

But really what am I thinking, even now trying to reason with you and make you understand how you defiled Superman history, you don't even show the slightest respect for the main character, Clark Kent (yeah I feel compelled to name him to avoid confusion on who becomes Superman in the end or at least should be the protagonist...).

You can rest assured this will not be forgotten and whichever way you attempt to fix the wrong made with this "Lana" arc of yours, you have forever spoiled, tainted the history of Superman. Yes, I ashamedly admit I was naive enough to trust in you at the beginning, spreading the good word among people who had lost faith in any redeemable Smallville. I had been getting people to start watching the show again. I still had some hope for a redeeming writing for this iconic character, or the iconic persona he could be. How wrong was I, how very naive indeed of me to ever assume people who openly stated that they "still hear Gough&Millar's voices in their head" could make up for the damage perpetrated in the recent seasons (S7 being the most appalling example). Really this is not hearing Gough&Millar, this is playing out their twisted (Lana4ever) playbook.

Power made no sense and I could label it the worst episode ever but I heard you hatched another one even worse yet to air.

So to return the favor, this new baby of yours will go unsupported by fans you don't seem to give a damn about. This fan of Smallville's will reverse the engine and apologize to all and any person she misled into putting faith into you again.

Thanking you again, for nothing but disheartening trust abuse.



Welcome on board, mistigirl. :)

I wholeheartedly and completely agree with everything that you said.

I love your avi. This precise moments moved me greatly.
It was THE moment what Clark means to Lois and what Lois means to Clark.
Masterful storytelling (with such a few lines) of Geoff Johns and masterful art by Gary Frank.
The most beautiful icon I've ever seen at K-site!!!

[mistigirl]

Thanks for the warm wlcm and compliments Tomo! :)
I had to tweak it a bit to fit into a nice square avi but I do love the end result and source material. :D