Ok, so answer this question PS3. . .

[ManOfSteel87]

How are they going to go from 5 episodes of Clark begging to be with Lana and multiple Clana kisses to showing "how hard Clark has fallen for Lois" just 4 episodes later. I don't see right now how it can be done without destroying the integrity of the iconic Clois relationship that should develop.

[Aries83]

I'm kind of wondering that too since all they've basically done since she's been back is drool over each other...if this is supposed to serve as her exit and she walks away with superhuman abilities, fine, but stop with the kisses.

[lovinredkclark]

I don't see right now how it can be done without destroying the integrity of the iconic Clois relationship that should develop.


after seeing tonights ep i honestly dont think they care about the icon myth that is superman.

[ManOfSteel87]

after seeing tonights ep i honestly dont think they care about the icon myth that is superman.

Sadly, I would agree. I defended bringing Lana back for these 5 episode originally b/c I thought a lot of good could come from it. After Lana's departure last season, it was PS3's chance to bring Clana to a proper end and set the stage for the future Clois relationship. The first several episodes this season were great, and I had a lot of faith in PS3. Now, that is pretty much gone and I'm just hoping they can salvage just some of the greatness they started with after Lana is gone.

[lovinredkclark]

tonight killed it for me and i wont see the rest of the season.
i just cant watch this anymore. which is such a shame because im a huge superman fan and have been for years, even before sv.

as much as i love lois - the character is brilliant - and i love to watch tom welling, it wont be enough to keep me watching.

after the extremely bad writing and totally disrespect for all things iconicly superman, ps3 destroyed it for me.

[curiosity]

Sadly, I would agree. I defended bringing Lana back for these 5 episode originally b/c I thought a lot of good could come from it. After Lana's departure last season, it was PS3's chance to bring Clana to a proper end and set the stage for the future Clois relationship. The first several episodes this season were great, and I had a lot of faith in PS3. Now, that is pretty much gone and I'm just hoping they can salvage just some of the greatness they started with after Lana is gone.

I think they explained that with Chloe saying "going to 1st base" from resurfacing feelings isn't a crime.

Clark aslo protested and said it wasn't going to be a happy ending. Meaning, it's not going to be a happy ending for Clana. What's going to happen next week? Something will happen, wonder what?

[myankskent]

How are they going to go from 5 episodes of Clark begging to be with Lana and multiple Clana kisses to showing "how hard Clark has fallen for Lois" just 4 episodes later. I don't see right now how it can be done without destroying the integrity of the iconic Clois relationship that should develop.

I think that the only thing that would make Clois believable at this point is if Clark had his memory wiped and forgot all about Lana and only remember that near kiss in "Bride". That might make things believable.

[Kid Collins]

How are they going to go from 5 episodes of Clark begging to be with Lana and multiple Clana kisses to showing "how hard Clark has fallen for Lois" just 4 episodes later. I don't see right now how it can be done without destroying the integrity of the iconic Clois relationship that should develop.

Lightswitch. That's how Clois has been written in this show before Lana came back.

And sorry, this show has always been written with Lana as Clark's one true love. Lois will just have to take a backseat in this rendition of the mythos.

[unfocused]

Ok, so answer this question PS3. . .
*waits for PS3 to post their answer*

[ManOfSteel87]

I'm not even arguing to see the full Clois relationship on SV. Hell, I really don't even care about the relationships as far as that goes. Its the writing that gets me. This looks like it will be a complete lightswitch, far more so than Clois was done at the start of the season. They go from one extreme to another, and then back again in absolutely no time at all.

Depending on what happens next week will determine a lot about where the show stands and the direction it will be heading for the end of this season and into Season 9 if it happens.

[moviefan2k4]

I think people generally place too much stock in the prior mythos, especially the hardcore fans. I like the Superman story very much myself, but I'm definitely no purist. I don't mind when events or characters are changed for the most part, unless such a change damages or tarnishes the moral stances which Superman's always been about. I can honestly say that of the 165 episodes aired so far, there's probably 10% of them I don't like...and many of those are due to the reason mentioned above.

I actually like what they've done with Lana this season, because it's a welcome relief from the "soap opera" type of romance that should've ended a lot sooner. This episode showed Lana as a mature woman with an iron-willed determination to change things for the better, and Clark finally coming to terms with his own approaching destiny. I don't see this episode as a "rehash" per se, but more of a continuation from where "Wrath" and "Arctic" left off.

Besides, why is it that so many fans can tolerate multiple instances from other characters, but it happens to Lana and everyone cries foul? I honestly don't understand that.

[Wicked Lois]

Its a spell duh or a AU... cleary this would never happen in SV, this is not Superman

[ClubXerxes]

You know, I read something interesting in Lana Lang's entry in Wikipedia:

"In Superman/Batman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman/Batman) #49, it is revealed that she sold Kryptonite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptonite) to the government to prevent Lexcorp from going under, and had caches of Kryptonite placed all over the planet, as a last-ditch defense if Superman should ever go rogue. When Superman and Batman come to remove the Kryptonite, Lana refuses to hand it over, and pushes a button which turns the caches into "dirty bombs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_bomb)" which spread Kryptonite molecules through the entire planet, forcing all Kryptonians to vacate. However, Toyman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyman#Hiro_Okamura) uses special nanobots to remove all of the Kryptonite molecules, undoing the damage. Superman meets with Lana again, with Lana telling him she was left with no choice. Superman responds by telling her the reason he is with Lois instead of her: because Lois would never have pushed the button. After Superman flies off, someone is shown watching Lana crying on a screen, saying to her "you did perfect"..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lana_Lang


See the part in bold above. I thought that since the Toyman is in the next installment, this angle was interesting. Could it be that this next episode might be their take on this story angle above? Could it be that Lana - with her new powers - does something that Clark just cannot accept? Could that be the lightbulb that goes off in his head which says "This is the reason Lana and I cannot be together" ?????

I know this is speculation, so I might get this post moved or deleted....

[Carolina87]

Lightswitch. That's how Clois has been written in this show before Lana came back.

And sorry, this show has always been written with Lana as Clark's one true love. Lois will just have to take a backseat in this rendition of the mythos.

I honestly think that what we saw tonight was just a horrific rendition of the mythos. How bad where the ratings while Clark and Lana where on that they had to bring oh wait his real true love interest Lois Lane in hopes of a rating boost.... and guess what... to no ones surprise she did just that, bring up the ratings for the show.

[ManOfSteel87]

I actually don't mind a little deviation from they mythos, especially if it is good for the show. The biggest example of this would be Chloe, but there are plenty of other things as well.

I disagree about Clark coming to terms with his approaching destiny. That was true for the first part of the season, until Bulletproof and [I]Power[I]. Clark has begun to revert back to his Lana first and the hell with everything and everyone else mentality.

[Deana]

Oh, man! This is quite easy! The Dallas Dream Season. Oliver wakes from being poisoned (he is still in a coma after all this time) and in his poisoned half dead state dreamed up a bunch of crap. Of course Lois, Chloe, Davis, and Clark is there.

Oliver: I had a dream that everyone was in love with Lana and she became a super hero. Everyone loved her except Lois that is. She loved you Clark but you was to obsessed with Lana to care. Lex is evil and needs to die! Where's my picture of my parents? Tess has a chip on her shoulder and in her brain. Am I secretly in love with Lana? Davis . . . he's a monster. Chloe . . . you're Brainiac. That dream sucked!

[dru-zod2501]

Lightswitch. That's how Clois has been written in this show before Lana came back.

And sorry, this show has always been written with Lana as Clark's one true love. Lois will just have to take a backseat in this rendition of the mythos.
good points

[minerva73]

I agree, I'm confused with how PS3 plans on handling Clois especially given that in Hex, Clark shows Chloe that he's deeply in love with Lois.

The whole button pushing arc in the comics won't work for me right now concerning Clana... I don't want Lana to be the hero in the episode. I want Clark to be the hero, break up with Lana, and they leave on peaceful terms. Lana being a hero won't prove any point because they already made her a hero by saving Tess. Now they need to redeem Clark and everything would be fine IMO...

[KryptonStones]

I'm seriously starting to believe that KK has somehow compromised the minds of the PS3. They were off to such a good start, and then....Lana comes into the picture and tarnishes ALL THAT potential. They never had to kill off Lana Lang, I could've enjoyed her as a character. There were so many times I tried to set aside my own personal quarrels to accept Lana. But after a while it becomes irritating. I mean, Able to take down the freakin' Green Arrow? Able to hack computers as well as Chloe Sullivan? Now, suddenly, has these "gifts" and wants to become a "Superwoman?" Are you kidding me? And now it makes it look like Lois Lane is nothing but a fluke, Clark's leftovers, it's ridiculous. I HONESTLY believe that this show never intended to portray Lois and Clark as soul mates anymore. And if Lana truly does DIE next week that means this show has depicted the entire time that Lana Lang was, without a doubt, Clark Kent's true soul mate. Man, the PS3 learned a little "too much" from AlMiles.

[Sunny8]

I think people generally place too much stock in the prior mythos, especially the hardcore fans. I like the Superman story very much myself, but I'm definitely no purist.

This is not the point. They made Clark (destined to be Superman) look like a complete ass. He is supposed to be in love with one woman when he attempts to kiss another woman. When the woman he is supposedly in love with comes back he kisses all over her and sleeps with her. When the woman he supposedly loves leaves again, he has no problem quickly (in about 3-4 episode's) showing that he has feelings for the other woman he was going to kiss which pretty much shows that he could not have possibly been that much in love in the first place.


I don't mind when events or characters are changed for the most part, unless such a change damages or tarnishes the moral stances which Superman's always been about.
That's exactly what they are doing. They are ruining Clark's character with this duplicitous behavior he is exhibiting.

----- Added 4 Minutes later -----


Could it be that this next episode might be their take on this story angle above? Could it be that Lana - with her new powers - does something that Clark just cannot accept? Could that be the lightbulb that goes off in his head which says "This is the reason Lana and I cannot be together" ?????

I know this is speculation, so I might get this post moved or deleted....

Intriguing. This would be great if this happened. This would make the mess that has been created worth it if they do something as good as this.

[moviefan2k4]

They made Clark (destined to be Superman) look like a complete ass. He is supposed to be in love with one woman when he attempts to kiss another woman. When the woman he is supposedly in love with comes back he kisses all over her and sleeps with her. When the woman he supposedly loves leaves again, he has no problem quickly (in about 3-4 episode's) showing that he has feelings for the other woman he was going to kiss which pretty much shows that he could not have possibly been that much in love in the first place.It might help the average reader to understand this better if you used their names instead of the "one woman, another woman" designations. From what I can tell, you're referring to the Clark / Lana / Lois triangle. Simply put, Clark was going to kiss Lois in "Bride", because he believed Lana was gone and he was developing honest feelings for Lois (especially after the whole "electric chair confession" bit). He never thought Lana would be coming back in a million years...and then she did. When that happened, he needed closure, but he also wanted answers, too.

As written and potrayed in this show, Clark & Lana will always love each other, in some deep regard. That will never change (no matter how many fans or Lana-haters want it to). This doesn't mean that Lois is Clark's "leftovers" or anything like that; it simply means that he will love Lana & Lois in different ways by the time it's all said and done. It's a progression, but some folks seem to want it all wrapped up immediately. It doesn't work that way.


That's exactly what they are doing. They are ruining Clark's character with this duplicitous behavior he is exhibiting.What' so duplicitous about it? He never promised Lois any kind of commitment (at least not yet). He's never even said whether he loves her or not. That near-kiss in "Bride" was more about being caught up in the moment (at least that's how I saw it), nothing more at this point.

[LuckyLois]

I'm seriously starting to believe that KK has somehow compromised the minds of the PS3. They were off to such a good start, and then....Lana comes into the picture and tarnishes ALL THAT potential. They never had to kill off Lana Lang, I could've enjoyed her as a character. There were so many times I tried to set aside my own personal quarrels to accept Lana. But after a while it becomes irritating. I mean, Able to take down the freakin' Green Arrow? Able to hack computers as well as Chloe Sullivan? Now, suddenly, has these "gifts" and wants to become a "Superwoman?" Are you kidding me? And now it makes it look like Lois Lane is nothing but a fluke, Clark's leftovers, it's ridiculous. I HONESTLY believe that this show never intended to portray Lois and Clark as soul mates anymore. And if Lana truly does DIE next week that means this show has depicted the entire time that Lana Lang was, without a doubt, Clark Kent's true soul mate. Man, the PS3 learned a little "too much" from AlMiles.

My feelings exactly. They are redeeming her character at the expense of everyone else's especially Clark's!:(

[Sunny8]

(no matter how many fans or Lana-haters want it to)
I am not a Lana-hater or a Clois lover


What' so duplicitous about it? He never promised Lois any kind of commitment (at least not yet).
This has nothing to do with Lois but with the way that Clark is acting. It is solely about his behavior which is deceptive (even to the audience).


That near-kiss in "Bride" was more about being caught up in the moment (at least that's how I saw it), nothing more at this point.
Still it does not make Clark look good.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

You know, I read something interesting in Lana Lang's entry in Wikipedia:

"In Superman/Batman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman/Batman) #49, it is revealed that she sold Kryptonite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptonite) to the government to prevent Lexcorp from going under, and had caches of Kryptonite placed all over the planet, as a last-ditch defense if Superman should ever go rogue. When Superman and Batman come to remove the Kryptonite, Lana refuses to hand it over, and pushes a button which turns the caches into "dirty bombs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_bomb)" which spread Kryptonite molecules through the entire planet, forcing all Kryptonians to vacate. However, Toyman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyman#Hiro_Okamura) uses special nanobots to remove all of the Kryptonite molecules, undoing the damage. Superman meets with Lana again, with Lana telling him she was left with no choice. Superman responds by telling her the reason he is with Lois instead of her: because Lois would never have pushed the button. After Superman flies off, someone is shown watching Lana crying on a screen, saying to her "you did perfect"..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lana_Lang


See the part in bold above. I thought that since the Toyman is in the next installment, this angle was interesting. Could it be that this next episode might be their take on this story angle above? Could it be that Lana - with her new powers - does something that Clark just cannot accept? Could that be the lightbulb that goes off in his head which says "This is the reason Lana and I cannot be together" ?????

I know this is speculation, so I might get this post moved or deleted....

What you mentioned is quite appealing but I doubt that its going to happen. I actually hope something interesting like this does happen. Lana will once again leave Clark and me the martyr, this is what I'm guessing. Same old Same old stuff...:\

[ManOfSteel87]

It might help the average reader to understand this better if you used their names instead of the "one woman, another woman" designations. From what I can tell, you're referring to the Clark / Lana / Lois triangle. Simply put, Clark was going to kiss Lois in "Bride", because he believed Lana was gone and he was developing honest feelings for Lois (especially after the whole "electric chair confession" bit). He never thought Lana would be coming back in a million years...and then she did. When that happened, he needed closure, but he also wanted answers, too.

As written and potrayed in this show, Clark & Lana will always love each other, in some deep regard. That will never change (no matter how many fans or Lana-haters want it to). This doesn't mean that Lois is Clark's "leftovers" or anything like that; it simply means that he will love Lana & Lois in different ways by the time it's all said and done. It's a progression, but some folks seem to want it all wrapped up immediately. It doesn't work that way.
What' so duplicitous about it? He never promised Lois any kind of commitment (at least not yet). He's never even said whether he loves her or not. That near-kiss in "Bride" was more about being caught up in the moment (at least that's how I saw it), nothing more at this point.

The problem, and my original complaint in starting this thread is that after these last two episodes and with the trailers for next week, there isn't going to be any closure to Clana. Unless something changes, it looks like Clana won't work simply because they can't be together for some reason (she's dead, green K, etc. . . there is plenty of spec about that all over the forums).

Along with this point comes the next part of you post I highlighted. Clois has been progressing this season, up until the Lana arc. Now they have Clana in full-swing, and have one episode to wrap in up immediately. The thing you are blaming the Clois fans for wanting with Clark/Lois is exactly what is going to happen with Clana.

I have no problem with Lana, and like I stated in an earlier post, I actually thought this 5 episode arc could've been a good thing. It has nothing to do with no liking Lana, it has to do with the total change in the show since she came back. Pre-Lana season 8 was great. Clark was at the DP, saving Metropolis as the Red-Blue Blur, Clois was progressing, the Doomsday angle was going good, the mystery behind Lex, the buildup of Tess/Lex's supervillian team, etc. Enter Lana, and all of this ends. All of the storylines have seemingly come to an abrupt halt in place of Lana's search for power and Clark reverting back to his "I don't want to become Superman and save the world so we can be together" mentality. If you look at the spoilers for the Post-Lana season 8, it seems like this whole Lana arc will be over, and we have a jump right back to where Pre-Lana season 8 left off.

So comes my question and the reason for this post. You're wrong, I don't want everything wrapped up quickly. I want the progression, and that's exactly what we were getting before the Lana arc. With this arc, they really have no choice but to wrap everything up fast which is going to fill the show with plenty of lightswitch moments. I want the progression, but I just don't see at this point how that can really be done.

[rconner]

tonight killed it for me and i wont see the rest of the season.
i just cant watch this anymore. which is such a shame because im a huge superman fan and have been for years, even before sv.

as much as i love lois - the character is brilliant - and i love to watch tom welling, it wont be enough to keep me watching.

after the extremely bad writing and totally disrespect for all things iconicly superman, ps3 destroyed it for me.

It's sad to say it but Smallville literally "jumped the shark" last night!

[myankskent]

So comes my question and the reason for this post. You're wrong, I don't want everything wrapped up quickly. I want the progression, and that's exactly what we were getting before the Lana arc. With this arc, they really have no choice but to wrap everything up fast which is going to fill the show with plenty of lightswitch moments. I want the progression, but I just don't see at this point how that can really be done.

Yeah, there's pretty much no progression that will explain why Clark doesn't want to be with Lana and why he wants to be with Lois. If you ask me, the only progression that I have seen in season 8 so far is that Clark never stopped loving Lana and will never stop loving Lana.

[ManOfSteel87]

They've pretty much wrote themselves in a hole and I just don't see how they can dig themselves out of it without just ignoring this 5 episode arc or a complete and total lightswitch.

In another thread I said how PS3 have almost created two different Smallvilles in this one season. They started off with a bang, great storylines and progression towards Superman. With this 5 episode arc, the first Smallville was abandoned in favor of this new Smallville. Based on what we know for after Lana leaves, it seems like they are going to jump right back to the first Smallville.

Just to be clear though, I keep talking about this 5 episode arc. I liked Bride and Legion. I actually liked Bulletproof up until the last 5 minutes. Power wasn't very good even without all the Clana. Requiem could be a pretty good episode, it just all depends on how all this Clana business is wrapped up. That's my problem though, I just don't see how it can be wrapped up properly in one episode and then jump right back into what they had started pre-Lana.

But, like every Thursday at 8, I will still be in front of my t.v. to watch. I love this show and have been with it since day one and will be with it up until the very end.

[pjack]

Its funny that people think somene can't be in love with more than 1 person. It happens all the time in the REAL world so why can't he have feelings for Lana and Lois. He is not one directional and just because he still has feeling for Lana doesn't mean it will be awkard for him to get back to the near kiss they almost had.
Everyone is so stuck on it being like the mythos or its not Superman etc etc. It has not been like Superman/Superboy since Season 1 Episode 1. So why is there such a surprise now. Just enjoy it for what it is and this rendition of the the Superman story.
This wasn't the greatest episode but its not a deal breaker for me. I still like the overall show.
Some people take things too seriously and too hard. After all the complaining going around, you will be sorry if it gets better later on this season and when you're hoping for S9, CW yanks it for fear of low ratings next year. Keep watching, every season had a few bad ones.

[blink2matrix]

it took them one episode to undo clois... i'm pretty sure they can recover in 4 episodes :p.

It's kind of sad though. Seeing the previews for next week and how Power ended it makes me worried that they end up always being in love but just can be together or something. This would be a devastating way to go about this because then it seems like Lois is sloppy seconds and that's just sad.

Whatever, i just hope that when Lana departs it isn't like they have to stay away from each other and instead a mutual decision. I don't want them to develop this as Lois being sloppy seconds. It's fine if clark always loves Lana but they better not leave her as his #1.

[Iluvgreen]

I don't know how they are going to do it. Let's hope they do it great though.

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

after seeing tonights ep i honestly dont think they care about the icon myth that is superman.

Hang in there! You can do it! One more episode of Lana and then we are homefree!! You have to see what the heck PS3 is up to! You have to admit this season is sooooo much better than previous!

[tippership commander]

Yeah, there's pretty much no progression that will explain why Clark doesn't want to be with Lana and why he wants to be with Lois. If you ask me, the only progression that I have seen in season 8 so far is that Clark never stopped loving Lana and will never stop loving Lana.



Dob't doubt the writing powersof PS3, have faith like man of steel and i do.

SO, the truth comes out, it's not lana with super powers, or clar kand lana kissing. TThat's actually good to know, because i agree ,i do enjoy watchign Clana, even knowing that CLark does have feelings for Lois.

How they're going to finish it off? THey've got somethign planned...


And, they'll give it a proper farewell
Look at Kara

She DIDN't end abruptly, by going off to travel, instead of going with the legion


Nah, she went off on her own, which helps her character a LOT, the after-smallville era.


So, i applaud allthose who have faith , enjoyed power, and still love smallville simply because it's SMALLVILLE.

[moviefan2k4]

Clois has been progressing this season, up until the Lana arc. Now they have Clana in full-swing, and have one episode to wrap in up immediately. The thing you are blaming the Clois fans for wanting with Clark/Lois is exactly what is going to happen with Clana.The main difference that you seem to be forgetting is the fact that Clark & Lana's romance has been building steadily for over 7 years, while his feelings for Lois didn't fully manifest until the middle of Season 6 (at the earliest). Provided that Kristin doesn't return before the end, next week's episode will be the finale for a very long and complicated emotional journey.

Lois represents the kind of companion Clark will need later on in his life, after he dons the cape full-time. But for now, Lana is that person for him. Unless she dies, he will always be wrestling with his feelings towards her; they even have him do that on occasion in the comic books.

[ManOfSteel87]

The main difference that you seem to be forgetting is the fact that Clark & Lana's romance has been building steadily for over 7 years, while his feelings for Lois didn't fully manifest until the middle of Season 6 (at the earliest). Provided that Kristin doesn't return before the end, next week's episode will be the finale for a very long and complicated emotional journey.

Lois represents the kind of companion Clark will need later on in his life, after he dons the cape full-time. But for now, Lana is that person for him. Unless she dies, he will always be wrestling with his feelings towards her; they even have him do that on occasion in the comic books.

I know Clana has been built over 7 seasons, although I don't think it's been steady. Its been more of an up and down ride with relationships with Lana/Adam, Lana/Jason, Lana/Lex, and Clark/Alicia adding to the rollercoaster. It came to an abrupt end with the DVD at the end of season 7, and this arc should've been an excellent chance for PS3 to give Lana the proper sendoff and give Clana closure. Now they have backed themselves into a corner and will have to end Clana in one episode, only to have Clois back in swing by Hex according to the spoilers. I'm really not arguing the ships, more of how they are both being handled. My major "complaint" is the lightswitch jumps between Clois and Clana that we have seen this year, and how they've handled the progression and closure of each.

[Hopefulsuicide]

i just had a vision of what Smallville would be like if Lana had died in reckoning instead of jonathon... and it was beautiful

and i'm not saying that out of Lana hate. Lana may not have been the one holding Clark back, but she has been holding the show back. she's been holding back clois for a start.

[ManOfSteel87]

i just had a vision of what Smallville would be like if Lana had died in reckoning instead of jonathon... and it was beautiful

and i'm not saying that out of Lana hate. Lana may not have been the one holding Clark back, but she has been holding the show back. she's been holding back clois for a start.

I was so upset after that episode b/c at that point, Lexana was starting which really annoyed me. Plus, I really loved Johnathan and John Schneider is one of my favorite actors (loved Dukes of Hazzard and that new show he is in isn't too bad either, just not one really my speed). I was upset b/c JK was still alive in the comics at that time (although he has just died recently), but they were keeping with the movie cannon where he did die. Still, I cry just about every time I watch that episode.

[moviefan2k4]

When will the Cloisers realize that the relationship they so desire to see doesn't fully belong in the mythos until after Clark becomes Superman? For 71 years, Lana has always been Clark's love in his younger years. Lois was the one he wound up with later on.

[susangail]

I have not been all that thrilled by the KK arc (they could have done so much more with it), but the fact that we're all talking about it means that at some level, PS3 has done their job. Ironic, eh?

I also wanted to comment about the clana-now vs clois-later issue. If clois was never going to exist in SV, why introduce Lois Lane at all? It makes no sense.

[HalJordan4184]

When will the Cloisers realize that the relationship they so desire to see doesn't fully belong in the mythos until after Clark becomes Superman? For 71 years, Lana has always been Clark's love in his younger years. Lois was the one he wound up with later on.

Lana was not his love in his younger years. In fact, there is no canonical story, where they EVER were together in his youngers, until after Smallville came on the scene. Clark and Lana, for the first roughly 65 years, were never a couple.

[Mr.Magic]

Lana was not his love in his younger years. In fact, there is no canonical story, where they EVER were together in his youngers, until after Smallville came on the scene. Clark and Lana, for the first roughly 65 years, were never a couple.

Weren't they a former couple in Superman TAS?

[scifigirl]

This is in response to Susangail's post on the previous page. I think that they brought Lois on because they knew that it would make the superman/mythos fans go squee. I think that they thought that as time went on they could have fun dropping some anvils/hints at the future relationship and make said fans happier. I think that they have run into issues because they can't show a full-fledged relationship and Erica isn't in every episode.


When will the Cloisers realize that the relationship they so desire to see doesn't fully belong in the mythos until after Clark becomes Superman? For 71 years, Lana has always been Clark's love in his younger years. Lois was the one he wound up with later on.

I agree with you movie fan.

I guess I should respond to the original post. They still may still make Lana make some bad choice that shows her lack of morals or that the power has corrupted her. One other way I can see this being rectified is if Clark comes to some realizations in heinsight. I think that when he looks back, or possibly in discussing her demise/departure with Chloe, Clark may see how disturbed and power hungry Lana became. He will grow to love and appreciate Lois because she is the polar opposite. It will feel like going from ship on a storm tossed sea to a ship sailing into a peaceful safe harbor on a beautiful sunny day.

[Alania]

How are they going to go from 5 episodes of Clark begging to be with Lana and multiple Clana kisses to showing "how hard Clark has fallen for Lois" just 4 episodes later. I don't see right now how it can be done without destroying the integrity of the iconic Clois relationship that should develop.

I fear those episodes with Lois are going to be the same joke we're seeing now, cause honestly, i can't see Clark Kent having feelings for Lois after all that Clana hard-core love fest! It is just ridiculous and Clark Kent needs to be very far away from Lois!


When will the Cloisers realize that the relationship they so desire to see doesn't fully belong in the mythos until after Clark becomes Superman? For 71 years, Lana has always been Clark's love in his younger years. Lois was the one he wound up with later on.

You mean, doesn't belong in Smallville, right? He has fallen for Lois before becoming Superman (at least that's what indicated in Bride, but i'm not so sure anymore). So, nothing in SV makes sense, just look at those episodes we're seeing now. I have no idea whether he's actually going to hook up with Lois someday and thruth be told, i could care less anymore. And this is from a real cloiser.

[ManOfSteel87]

When will the Cloisers realize that the relationship they so desire to see doesn't fully belong in the mythos until after Clark becomes Superman? For 71 years, Lana has always been Clark's love in his younger years. Lois was the one he wound up with later on.

Look, I understand what you're saying, but like I've said, I'm not really arguing for Clois or against Clana. My concern is how PS3 has handled both relationships this season. They built up Clois for the first half, albeit mainly from Lois' POV. Lana comes in for her 5 episode arc to supposedly give her a proper sendoff and proper closure to Clana instead of the bs DVD that AlMiles left us with. Instead, with only 1 episode to to, Clana is back in full swing. Now, according to spoilers By Hex, we will see Clois back, as the spoilers talk about how Chloe sees "how hard Clark has fallen for Lois. From the buildup of Clois, to Clana, the seemingly back to Clois, there seems to me to be too many lightswitch moments.

As far as Clois not belonging in the mythos until after Clark becomes Superman, that ship sailed season 4, episode 1 Crusade, when Lois was brought into SV. And like Alania pointed out, it has been implied that Clark has already fallen for Lois in Bride. Even Chloe called Clark out in Bulletproof about his feelings for Lois, saying that "it is that obvious". So, the Clois relationship has already been brought to SV, only to jump to Clana, and looks like back to Clois later on.
Also, as it was already pointed out, the relationship between Lana and Clark in the comics is opposite of what it is on SV. In the comics, it is Lana who is left pining for Clark and wanting a relationship with him. In SV, it is Clark who is left pining for Lana and at times seems to not care about becoming Superman because it interferes with his relationship with Lana.

[moviefan2k4]

Then explain why Lana was presented as Clark's main love interest in the Superboy comics from 1950 on, as well as other screen incarnations like Stacy Haiduk and Annette O'Toole in "Superman III".

[ManOfSteel87]

Then explain why Lana was presented as Clark's main love interest in the Superboy comics from 1950 on, as well as other screen incarnations like Stacy Haiduk and Annette O'Toole in "Superman III".

I don't know if you're replying to me or HalJordan4184, but I will say that I did think that in some incarnations, Clark and Lana were together early on. However, like I said, it is Lana who is left pining for Clark, unlike SV where it is Clark who is constantly left pining for Lana.

As far as the movies go, Clark and Lana were not together in Superman I, which would be along the same timeline as SV. It is not until Superman III that they get together, and that is well after Clark has become Superman. However, Superman III and IV have been pretty much erased from the movie cannon with Superman Returns. SR takes place 5 years after Superman II. However, with the negative reactions to SR, the Superman movie franchise is looking to be rebooted anyways, so none of the movie cannon will really matter when that happens.

Like I said, the original intent of my post was not to argue for Clois or against Clana. The original intent was to get some discussion going about how PS3 is going to avoid more lightswitch moments that appear to be heading our way this season.

[moviefan2k4]

I don't know if you're replying to me or HalJordan4184, but I will say that I did think that in some incarnations, Clark and Lana were together early on. However, like I said, it is Lana who is left pining for Clark, unlike SV where it is Clark who is constantly left pining for Lana.Well, it could be considered as simply a different take on the same material, like the "no flights, no tights" policy that Al & Miles instigated back in 2001.

[ManOfSteel87]

Well, it could be considered as simply a different take on the same material, like the "no flights, no tights" policy that Al & Miles instigated back in 2001.

True enough, but there comes a point when Clark needs to get over it and continue on his path towards Superman. That's the thing there. The start of this season had Clark getting over Lana and becoming more Superman-like than we've probably ever really seen him on the show. In the last 2 episodes, we've seen Clark seemingly fall back into his former self, wanting to be with Lana instead of saving the world and it has been Lana who keeps reminding him that the world needs him more than she does (until she got her new powers in Power)

I will say that I wasn't very happy about the DVD sendoff that Lana got in season 7, and thought this arc would be perfect to fix that and give Lana/KK the sendoff she deserved (after all, she had been a regular for 7 seasons). Instead, we're back to square one as PS3 have one episode to wrap it up, and I don't see yet how it will be any better than the DVD. It's really a question that can't be answered until we see each episode, and trust me, I will still be there to watch. I haven't missed an episode since day 1, and I'm not starting now.

[malft]

Clark and Lana will realize that they are not destined to be together. That is what Lana has been telling him since She got back. Now with her Wonder Woman mods She says they can fight the good fight together as equals. She will always need to be protected as Clark sees it and there the friction starts. Lana is no quivering waif now. She's bad to the bone and what will she do to get Clark to admit it.

[amberdawn]

Clark and Lana will realize that hey are not destined to be together.
No they won't. Just watch.

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i just had a vision of what Smallville would be like if Lana had died in reckoning instead of jonathon... and it was beautiful


I'm sure it was :lol:

[CLanaF23]

i mean why cant they do it. its just going to prove that lois is clark's second choice. and lois and clark is the most forced relationship on smallville ever. they are better as friends they have no romantic chemistry. seriously clois is a joke on smallville. if you want to see clois so badly go watch a Superman movie and stop hating on the most legit love on smallville CLANA <3

[ManOfSteel87]

i mean why cant they do it. its just going to prove that lois is clark's second choice. and lois and clark is the most forced relationship on smallville ever. they are better as friends they have no romantic chemistry. seriously clois is a joke on smallville. if you want to see clois so badly go watch a Superman movie and stop hating on the most legit love on smallville CLANA <3

No offense, but IMO Clana has become the biggest joke on Smallville, and has been since probably season 5. It has now been forced far more than Clois, being pushed through Lana/Adam, Lana/Jason, Lexana, Clark/Alicia, Lana's Lex obession, the DVD farewell, and now her quest for power to be Clark's equal.

Again, if you go back and read what I've posted in this thread, I'm not overly concerned with seeing full Clois or just hating on Clana. I'm arguing about the way each has been handled this season with the jumping back on forth. Clana was OK and relevant through high school and even into season 5. Anything after that has been overkill, and it's time to move on. I would say if you want to see Clana so badly, go back and pull out the past seasons on DVD :) (Hope this doesn't sound too much like hating lol, it's all in good fun. Don't take it too serious, but you can never tell how people are going to take things on message boards lol)

[SSJConan]

I agree with ManOfSteel87, the Clana has been in serious overkill, which it pretty much got into from Season 6's "Promise" to the end of Season 7. Granted in Season 7's case, there were at least signs given for why the relationship couldn't work out, such as Lana's near-monstrous character change and Clark gradually not seeing her as the woman he loved anymore. Then comes these 5 episodes, yeah, far too ridiculous to say the least. Although, Clark's last scene in "Bulletproof" notwithstanding, he has seemed hesitant and weary about starting back up a relationship with Lana again and hence the far less passionate kisses he's given her.

So in any case, even if we only have one episode left to wrap this all up, I guess we'll see how it goes. But yeah, probably the most infamously annoying thing about Smallville is how torturously long the Clana relationship has been dragged all the way through. Joss Whedon knew when to put a close to the Buffy/Angel relationship in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, not an easy task considering they're arguably soul mates on par to Clark/Lois, but Al/Miles (and apparently "PS3") refused to learn their lesson to the point of Clark falling for Lois calling for suspension of disbelief. It's truly sad.

[CLanaF23]

No offense, but IMO Clana has become the biggest joke on Smallville, and has been since probably season 5. It has now been forced far more than Clois, being pushed through Lana/Adam, Lana/Jason, Lexana, Clark/Alicia, Lana's Lex obession, the DVD farewell, and now her quest for power to be Clark's equal.

Again, if you go back and read what I've posted in this thread, I'm not overly concerned with seeing full Clois or just hating on Clana. I'm arguing about the way each has been handled this season with the jumping back on forth. Clana was OK and relevant through high school and even into season 5. Anything after that has been overkill, and it's time to move on. I would say if you want to see Clana so badly, go back and pull out the past seasons on DVD :) (Hope this doesn't sound too much like hating lol, it's all in good fun. Don't take it too serious, but you can never tell how people are going to take things on message boards lol)





over kill seriously? na i think clark and lois is just a kill. clark and lana make sense. sorry i guess everyone is used to seeing a relationship or love just end after a couple seasons. but if it was clark and lois everyone would love if they were still in love after all this time..and when you say lana/adam, lana/jason, clark/alicia or watever its called a realistic relationship. what couple doesnt break up and move on a little bit? they had to switch it up i mean hey i would have rather them not breaj up at all but watever. like i said lois and clark really dont make sense on SMALLVILLE. that is what its called right? not "superman boring and predictable lead up to the movies" but thats what its starting to get like to me. clois sucks. period.

[zHeN_zHeN]

i just had a vision of what Smallville would be like if Lana had died in reckoning instead of jonathon... and it was beautiful

:rotfl:

Could you please describe your vision? 'Cause it sounds absolutely divine! :D

No offense, Clanaers! I just happen to like stories. ;)

[La Donna]

moviefan2k4 wrote:

When will the Cloisers realize that the relationship they so desire to see doesn't fully belong in the mythos until after Clark becomes Superman? For 71 years, Lana has always been Clark's love in his younger years. Lois was the one he wound up with later on.

In the mythos, Lois and Clark may not be a couple until Clark becomes Superman, so some say that Clois fans need to get over their desire to see Clois on Smallville, and accept Lana and Clark as being Smallville's couple till the end. However, in the mythos, Lana was in love and obsessed with Clark, while Clark only had feelings for her off and on. So, if we must stick to the mythos in order to keep Clois apart, then we must switch Clana next episode in order to stick to the mythos and have Lana remain in love with Clark, while Clark shows he no longer wants to be with her.

If we are making an argument that Smallville isn't the mythos, that it's a pre-Superman show and they can do whatever they want, then they can give us Clois anytime they want just as they have given us Clana with an obsessed Clark.

For all the shouts of lightswitch some fans yell, I can't believe that they would be in support of Clana happening when they know Clark will flip right back to Lois when she returns.


Well, it could be considered as simply a different take on the same material, like the "no flights, no tights" policy that Al & Miles instigated back in 2001.

Just as Clois happening before Clark becomes Superman could be considered a different take. Honestly, the biggest way this show differs from the mythos is Clark and who he is as a person. The relationships come in a distant second. I count the way Clark acts and lives his life even because of a relationship (Clana) as his own personal self and, as I said, it's the number one way this show differs from the mythos.


CLanaF23 wrote:

i mean why cant they do it. its just going to prove that lois is clark's second choice. and lois and clark is the most forced relationship on smallville ever. they are better as friends they have no romantic chemistry. seriously clois is a joke on smallville. if you want to see clois so badly go watch a Superman movie and stop hating on the most legit love on smallville CLANA <3

I usually don't respond to posts about one ship being so great and the other sucking, just because people are fans of a ship. They are fine to express the opinion of the poster, but I just don't usually consider it necessary to post an opposing argument. This time I am, though, but please don't take offense at what I'm going to say. I don't mean it personally against you, CLanaF23, just the idea of a couple of your posts.

Well, there is a reason why Clana is almost universally unpopular. I know there are still a few fans out there, but it is by far the most unpopular couple that Smallville has produced. I don't see how statements such as "Clark and Lois have no chemistry" or "Lana and Clark have no chemistry" can really be stated, as it's just a feeling that people get from watching them on TV. It's different for everyone. Some see chemistry where others see boredom. But, again, Clois is popular enough, especially since season 8, that I think there is ample evidence to show that a lot of fans see chemistry between the characters.


over kill seriously? na i think clark and lois is just a kill. clark and lana make sense. sorry i guess everyone is used to seeing a relationship or love just end after a couple seasons. but if it was clark and lois everyone would love if they were still in love after all this time..and when you say lana/adam, lana/jason, clark/alicia or watever its called a realistic relationship. what couple doesnt break up and move on a little bit? they had to switch it up i mean hey i would have rather them not breaj up at all but watever. like i said lois and clark really dont make sense on SMALLVILLE. that is what its called right? not "superman boring and predictable lead up to the movies" but thats what its starting to get like to me. clois sucks. period.

As far as Clark and Lana making sense, I think most people, including the characters themselves, would disagree. Clark and Lana have stated on several occasions why they don't work as a couple, and why they have problems. This isn't just something that Clois or Chlark fans like to shout out with no basis. Their dysfunction has driven the angst of this show for at least 7 years, and angst doesn't usually go hand in hand with a couple that makes complete sense. The vast majority of the audience is against Clana happening right now, and have been against Clana since at least season 6/7. They lost fans of the ship left and right for awhile, but it's at it's highest unpopularity peak right now. While this isn't evidence as to whether the couple really works or not (as it would be far to complicated to discern on these boards), it does show that what a majority of viewers have seen is dysfunction. I can say without a doubt that the intent must have been to convey this. That's a fact, otherwise Lana and Clark wouldn't have said it themselves many times over, and the writers and showrunners wouldn't have continually brought it up.

If it was Clark and Lois, and the story was the exact same as it's been for Clana, there is no way Clois would be as popular as it is right now. I'd wager there are only a few people who really feel that Lois should be with Clark only because that's how it is in the comics, no matter what type of person Lois is on this show or how the story goes about getting them together. Most people who like Clois have come to that decision over the time she's been on the show, and the type of relationship she's had with Clark. If Clois had Clana's story, you would see vast numbers running for the hills at how the mythos was destroyed.

Clois is continually gaining fans and supporters because of the story and the actors portrayals. It's not that people who didn't support them before suddenly decided to become strict mythos fans and so swung their support over to Clois. There are many new Clois fans simply because of the Clois story on Smallville. If you're saying the writers didn't intend to make Lois and Clark are a couple that makes sense, and they were trying to show how Clois doesn't work and Clana does, then the writers have failed completely, since most of the audience recognize the dysfunction in the Clark and Lana relationship, and Clois is gaining more and more fans every episode.

I'm not making a post that says "Clois is great because I love it" or "Clois is great because it's mythos" or "Clana sucks because I hate it" or "Clana sucks because it's not mythos". I'm trying to present an unbiased audience opinion driven argument as to why most fans are against Clana, and why Clois has more fans right now than ever.

As to how PS3 intended this arc to go, and how they will reconcile this with the Clois spoilers we have, that's impossible to figure out right now. We'll know more after the next episode, but we won't know the full extent of their plan and intent until they speak up. My guess is they won't. But, perhaps after the season is over, or the show, they'll explain themselves. They can't fix the problems they've set up right now with this arc in a way that makes sense. There's no believable way they can show us Clark suddenly fell out of love with Lana and so can instantly fall in love with Lois upon her return. It's a lightswitch. They may, I fear, give us what a lot of people are afraid of, a situation where Clark is not over Lana in any way, and they are forced apart causing Clois to happen by default.

Separating Clark from his relationship woes and hopes, this is centered on Clark. I don't think any Clark fan, of which I am one, wants to see a man becoming Superman who is accepting of his relationship with Lana as it has been and is now, for one. And for another, they don't want to see a Superman emerge who behaves the same way he has continually behaved with Lana. If the Clana had been shown to truly change, instead of giving tiny hints that maybe it's matured a little as this arc has shown, than Clana wouldn't anger as many Clark fans as it has.

Clark hasn't yet said in season 8 he's done being the blur and wants Lana to move with him to the farm where they can live the rest of their lives in Smallville. However, he has said in the past that his dream is to live on the farm with Lana, focus on Lana, and ignore whatever destiny others had wanted for him. We saw him act in an immature manner that correlates with that statement and declaration of Clark. In season 8, he seemed to have moved past that dream or desire, and made up his mind to follow a greater destiny and engage in the world at large. Clark fans everywhere were thrilled. When Lana rolled in to town, and Clark had a chance, he tried once again to obtain Lana. While he didn't directly say that he wants only Lana and he is willing to give up anything that keeps them apart (although he says something similar in the trailer for next week), by his actions he has given us enough reason to fear that his point of view is reverting back to his "Lana is all that matters" views.

That is what makes Clark fans against Lana, and hoping that Clana is over for good next week. It's not because of Clois necessarily, but because Clark himself doesn't obey a Superman mantra when he's obsessed with Lana. That's the problem. Now, you can add to that the way his behavior is around Lois in comparison to Lana, and you'd have a a good chunk of reasoning for Clark or Clois fans to hope that PS3 have a route that leads them to the end of Clana, and a sensible way to approach Clois.

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I'm so sorry for the long post, I didn't realize it was so long as I was writing it! If you skipped to the bottom, I understand!

[La Donna]

I'd like to add that I don't blame Lana for any of Clark's behavior. It's on Clark. I've liked Lana off and on at certain times, but I've never been a real fan of Clana, because of Clana's effects on Clark. But, I do want to make clear that I'm not a Lana hater, and I wish that the end of their relationship could be mutually realizing the love is gone, and both deciding to be friends. That would set up the future nicely, and end it with grace and dignity.

If they had wanted Lana to come across as heroic, though, what they should have done, in my opinion, is had Lana "complete" her training, that way it looks like she followed through and wouldn't show that she quit to take the easy route. Then, I would of had her seeking the technology in order to destroy it, as that would show she wants to stop Lex or anyone from obtaining powers humans weren't meant to have. Then, if they really wanted her to have superpowers, I would have had her discover the location of the technology, and show up with the intent to bomb the empty building. When she gets to the building, however, the "bad guys" grab her and either on purpose or accidently do the procedure on her, either as a way to test the suit thinking it will have a negative reaction or make the technology something that could happen because Lana accidentally fell into the water, so to speak. Then, she would come off looking like someone who didn't choose invincibility and wasn't desperate to gain power, but rather she would seem like someone who had this power thrust upon her, and decides to use it to do good in the world. That would have put Lana in a much better light. There's a chance they really did intend to put her in a negative light because of where the story is headed, but I don't think that's necessarily a given. It's quite possible that they think she is noble for her power hungry behavior.

[ManOfSteel87]

over kill seriously? na i think clark and lois is just a kill. clark and lana make sense. sorry i guess everyone is used to seeing a relationship or love just end after a couple seasons. but if it was clark and lois everyone would love if they were still in love after all this time..and when you say lana/adam, lana/jason, clark/alicia or watever its called a realistic relationship. what couple doesnt break up and move on a little bit? they had to switch it up i mean hey i would have rather them not breaj up at all but watever. like i said lois and clark really dont make sense on SMALLVILLE. that is what its called right? not "superman boring and predictable lead up to the movies" but thats what its starting to get like to me. clois sucks. period.

Yeah, 7+ seasons of on again, off again Clana is overkill. Going from "we're destined to be together" to "Clark all you do it lie and keep secrets from me", back to "we're destined to be together", back to "secrets and lies", to "Clark I'm dating your former best friends who is now your enemy", to "Clark, I'm pregnant with your enemy's baby", to "I'm marrying your enemy", to "I'm not marrying your enemy b/c I still love you", to "Sorry Clark, but I still have to marry your enemy", to "I'm going to fake my own death to get away from Lex, and I'm just going to have to make Clark think I'm dead to protect him", to "Hey Clark, I'm back in Smallville and I'm moving in with you and your cousin so we can be together", to "Sorry Clark, I'm leaving again b/c I hold you back", to "I'm back in town, but not staying long b/c I still hold you back, we're not destined to be together, and I have my own secrets now", to "I have powers like you Clark, and now we can be together and save the world together", to yet another sendoff since Lana only has one more episode. . . yeah I would definatly call that overkill.

Clana made since through high school, and I would say even into season 5. After she left Clark for Lex and the whole Lexana thing from season 6, that should have been it for Clana. After that, they should've had them eventually make up, become friends and Lana become one of Clark's confidants, but no more Clana.

If Clois doesn't make sense on SV, then they should not have brought her into the show. The moment Lois stepped foot in SV is the moment that Clois on SV makes sense. Definately nothing that should happen right away, in fact I liked how Lois came in as sort of a pain to Clark. From that, season 4, we should then see more focus on the development Clark/Lois relationship (not necessarily romantic relationship) and how they progressed from being pains in each other's sides to friends, and eventually the Clois relationship everyone knows. And Clois can't be overkill b/c we haven't actually seen Clois on SV, just hints at it.

The Superman "story" is set, and has been for 77 years. Yes, there have been different variations of how the story unfolds and SV definately has it's own take, but the basic story and elements are and should all be the same. However, it seems that sometimes, and especially when it comes to Clana and how Clark acts when it comes to Lana, SV takes a huge detour from the story that has been set for years.

Now see, I've said that I wasn't trying to argue for Clois or against Clana in this thread, just question how PS3 is going to address the lightswitch jumps between the two this season. Now you've got me into and Clana vs. Clois debate! :lol:

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moviefan2k4 wrote:


In the mythos, Lois and Clark may not be a couple until Clark becomes Superman, so some say that Clois fans need to get over their desire to see Clois on Smallville, and accept Lana and Clark as being Smallville's couple till the end. However, in the mythos, Lana was in love and obsessed with Clark, while Clark only had feelings for her off and on. So, if we must stick to the mythos in order to keep Clois apart, then we must switch Clana next episode in order to stick to the mythos and have Lana remain in love with Clark, while Clark shows he no longer wants to be with her.

If we are making an argument that Smallville isn't the mythos, that it's a pre-Superman show and they can do whatever they want, then they can give us Clois anytime they want just as they have given us Clana with an obsessed Clark.

For all the shouts of lightswitch some fans yell, I can't believe that they would be in support of Clana happening when they know Clark will flip right back to Lois when she returns.


Just as Clois happening before Clark becomes Superman could be considered a different take. Honestly, the biggest way this show differs from the mythos is Clark and who he is as a person. The relationships come in a distant second. I count the way Clark acts and lives his life even because of a relationship (Clana) as his own personal self and, as I said, it's the number one way this show differs from the mythos.


CLanaF23 wrote:


I usually don't respond to posts about one ship being so great and the other sucking, just because people are fans of a ship. They are fine to express the opinion of the poster, but I just don't usually consider it necessary to post an opposing argument. This time I am, though, but please don't take offense at what I'm going to say. I don't mean it personally against you, CLanaF23, just the idea of a couple of your posts.

Well, there is a reason why Clana is almost universally unpopular. I know there are still a few fans out there, but it is by far the most unpopular couple that Smallville has produced. I don't see how statements such as "Clark and Lois have no chemistry" or "Lana and Clark have no chemistry" can really be stated, as it's just a feeling that people get from watching them on TV. It's different for everyone. Some see chemistry where others see boredom. But, again, Clois is popular enough, especially since season 8, that I think there is ample evidence to show that a lot of fans see chemistry between the characters.



As far as Clark and Lana making sense, I think most people, including the characters themselves, would disagree. Clark and Lana have stated on several occasions why they don't work as a couple, and why they have problems. This isn't just something that Clois or Chlark fans like to shout out with no basis. Their dysfunction has driven the angst of this show for at least 7 years, and angst doesn't usually go hand in hand with a couple that makes complete sense. The vast majority of the audience is against Clana happening right now, and have been against Clana since at least season 6/7. They lost fans of the ship left and right for awhile, but it's at it's highest unpopularity peak right now. While this isn't evidence as to whether the couple really works or not (as it would be far to complicated to discern on these boards), it does show that what a majority of viewers have seen is dysfunction. I can say without a doubt that the intent must have been to convey this. That's a fact, otherwise Lana and Clark wouldn't have said it themselves many times over, and the writers and showrunners wouldn't have continually brought it up.

If it was Clark and Lois, and the story was the exact same as it's been for Clana, there is no way Clois would be as popular as it is right now. I'd wager there are only a few people who really feel that Lois should be with Clark only because that's how it is in the comics, no matter what type of person Lois is on this show or how the story goes about getting them together. Most people who like Clois have come to that decision over the time she's been on the show, and the type of relationship she's had with Clark. If Clois had Clana's story, you would see vast numbers running for the hills at how the mythos was destroyed.

Clois is continually gaining fans and supporters because of the story and the actors portrayals. It's not that people who didn't support them before suddenly decided to become strict mythos fans and so swung their support over to Clois. There are many new Clois fans simply because of the Clois story on Smallville. If you're saying the writers didn't intend to make Lois and Clark are a couple that makes sense, and they were trying to show how Clois doesn't work and Clana does, then the writers have failed completely, since most of the audience recognize the dysfunction in the Clark and Lana relationship, and Clois is gaining more and more fans every episode.

I'm not making a post that says "Clois is great because I love it" or "Clois is great because it's mythos" or "Clana sucks because I hate it" or "Clana sucks because it's not mythos". I'm trying to present an unbiased audience opinion driven argument as to why most fans are against Clana, and why Clois has more fans right now than ever.

As to how PS3 intended this arc to go, and how they will reconcile this with the Clois spoilers we have, that's impossible to figure out right now. We'll know more after the next episode, but we won't know the full extent of their plan and intent until they speak up. My guess is they won't. But, perhaps after the season is over, or the show, they'll explain themselves. They can't fix the problems they've set up right now with this arc in a way that makes sense. There's no believable way they can show us Clark suddenly fell out of love with Lana and so can instantly fall in love with Lois upon her return. It's a lightswitch. They may, I fear, give us what a lot of people are afraid of, a situation where Clark is not over Lana in any way, and they are forced apart causing Clois to happen by default.
Separating Clark from his relationship woes and hopes, this is centered on Clark. I don't think any Clark fan, of which I am one, wants to see a man becoming Superman who is accepting of his relationship with Lana as it has been and is now, for one. And for another, they don't want to see a Superman emerge who behaves the same way he has continually behaved with Lana. If the Clana had been shown to truly change, instead of giving tiny hints that maybe it's matured a little as this arc has shown, than Clana wouldn't anger as many Clark fans as it has.

Clark hasn't yet said in season 8 he's done being the blur and wants Lana to move with him to the farm where they can live the rest of their lives in Smallville. However, he has said in the past that his dream is to live on the farm with Lana, focus on Lana, and ignore whatever destiny others had wanted for him. We saw him act in an immature manner that correlates with that statement and declaration of Clark. In season 8, he seemed to have moved past that dream or desire, and made up his mind to follow a greater destiny and engage in the world at large. Clark fans everywhere were thrilled. When Lana rolled in to town, and Clark had a chance, he tried once again to obtain Lana. While he didn't directly say that he wants only Lana and he is willing to give up anything that keeps them apart (although he says something similar in the trailer for next week), by his actions he has given us enough reason to fear that his point of view is reverting back to his "Lana is all that matters" views.

That is what makes Clark fans against Lana, and hoping that Clana is over for good next week. It's not because of Clois necessarily, but because Clark himself doesn't obey a Superman mantra when he's obsessed with Lana. That's the problem. Now, you can add to that the way his behavior is around Lois in comparison to Lana, and you'd have a a good chunk of reasoning for Clark or Clois fans to hope that PS3 have a route that leads them to the end of Clana, and a sensible way to approach Clois.
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I'm so sorry for the long post, I didn't realize it was so long as I was writing it! If you skipped to the bottom, I understand!

ITA with your post La Donna, especially what I highlighted. I've been saying throughout this whole thread that I wasn't arguing for Clois or against Clana. I have been talking about the lightswitches, but like you said, they somewhat built up Clois to start to jump into Clana, and according to spoilers we will jump right back into Clois. Unfortunately, I too have gotten into a bit of a Clana vs. Clois debate. But yeah, great post. . . I couldn't have said it better myself!:)

[ClarksGal]

Sadly, I would agree. I defended bringing Lana back for these 5 episode originally b/c I thought a lot of good could come from it. After Lana's departure last season, it was PS3's chance to bring Clana to a proper end and set the stage for the future Clois relationship. The first several episodes this season were great, and I had a lot of faith in PS3. Now, that is pretty much gone and I'm just hoping they can salvage just some of the greatness they started with after Lana is gone.

I feel the same, but you sound more optimistic about it than I feel. :mad:

[gem65]

I agree, I'm confused with how PS3 plans on handling Clois especially given that in Hex, Clark shows Chloe that he's deeply in love with Lois.

The whole button pushing arc in the comics won't work for me right now concerning Clana... I don't want Lana to be the hero in the episode. I want Clark to be the hero, break up with Lana, and they leave on peaceful terms. Lana being a hero won't prove any point because they already made her a hero by saving Tess. Now they need to redeem Clark and everything would be fine IMO...

I agree with you.