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galatians221
01-23-2009, 08:32 AM
The better way to have handled the situation in "Bulletproof" would be for Lana to come on to Clark and for Clark to have resisted her telling her that his heart lies elsewhere. The way it was written continues the weakness of character of Clark Kent and it's not the way it should be. I have no problem with Lana being screwed up in the head but little tolerance for The Man of Steel being screwed up in the head. The continued depiction of CK sitting in the barn staring longingly at Lana's picture or going to the Talon in the middle of the night hoping to smash mouth with Lana doesn't set well with me. Even if CK isn't sure about Lois he should be unsure enough about Lana to tell her he's moving on. This was done depicting Lana as the strong one and Clark as the weak one. We see it all the time; Chloe is strong, Lois is strong, Lana is kicking Tess' rear end and Tess is strong. Clark is timid, unsure, not clear about his direction in life. That was OK when he was a teenybopper at Smallville High but this has gone on too long. It makes me angry when they denigrate the character of Superman that way. In Superman Returns at least he had his priorities right. His love life plays a distant second fiddle to his destiny. The writers of Smallville had been doing a good job this season until they brought Lana back. This has been handled all wrong imho.

Timester
01-23-2009, 08:33 AM
Clark Kent: "Maybe it hasn't to be all or nothing."

This quote is so fitting to the fanbase right now. Because everyone is taking to the extreme.

Clark is thinking about balance, yet everyone misunderstand him.

Anu
01-23-2009, 08:36 AM
Clark wants to be a hero, but he still loves Lana. He also said that it's hard for someone who loved a person so long, to just forget him/her.

galatians221
01-23-2009, 08:38 AM
Clark Kent: "Maybe it hasn't to be all or nothing."

This quote is so fitting to the fanbase right now. Because everyone is taking to the extreme.

Clark is thinking about balance, yet everyone misunderstand him.

At the end he asked the officer at his home how he does his job and raises a family. It's obvious that he's trying to sort that all out but it's with Lana. What would it take for him to lose interest? I mean she married his arch enemy and slept with Bizzarro and is a chronic liar. Can't he see that? It's showing CK as having a character flaw and poor judgement and that shouldn't be done to the Man of Steel.

Timester
01-23-2009, 08:42 AM
At the end he asked the officer at his home how he does his job and raises a family. It's obvious that he's trying to sort that all out but it's with Lana. What would it take for him to lose interest? I mean she married his arch enemy and slept with Bizzarro and is a chronic liar. Can't he see that? It's showing CK as having a character flaw and poor judgement and that shouldn't be done to the Man of Steel.

Ghosts of the past has NOTHING to do with Clark's decisions. Clark just figured out that he can save the world and have a family at the same time.

Again, quoting Clark Kent: "Maybe it hasn't to be all or nothing."

galatians221
01-23-2009, 08:45 AM
Ghosts of the past has NOTHING to do with Clark's decisions. Clark just figured out that he can save the world and have a family at the same time.

Again, quoting Clark Kent: "Maybe it hasn't to be all or nothing."

In Superman Returns, CK would be walking into the DP in the morning while they were playing his exploits from around the world last night indicating that he didn't sleep and was on the job 24/7. He left Lois for five years because his work was more important than any family situation. I don't think Superman coming home for dinner at 5pm and having the neighbors over for barbecue will work. I know he marries Lois eventually but his life can never be normal or balanced. He has to save the world.

SnowBird
01-23-2009, 08:47 AM
Clark must find the balance of saving the world and having a personal life in the future as Lois becomes his wife. Where there is a way, there is a will.

Timester
01-23-2009, 08:49 AM
In Superman Returns, CK would be walking into the DP in the morning while they were playing his exploits from around the world last night indicating that he didn't sleep and was on the job 24/7. He left Lois for five years because his work was more important than any family situation. I don't think Superman coming home for dinner at 5pm and having the neighbors over for barbecue will work. I know he marries Lois eventually but his life can never be normal or balanced. He has to save the world.

That's why Superman Returns sucked, because it was based an old long gone idea of Pre-Crisis. That's why Lois and Clark never married in the Pre-Crisis.

Post-Crisis Clark does act like a normal guy, with a normal life.

loistickyfingerz
01-23-2009, 08:50 AM
Who wrote this episode? Was it Brian Peterson & Kelly Souders? It wouldn't surprise me. They generally adore Lana and Clana and hate Lois and Clois.

That whole conversation between Chloe and Clark was pathetic. "Lois is so...Lois." That's it! Chloe says "it's obvious" and Clark can't even elaborate on his feelings for Lois? He has to regress to his boyhood crush?

Lois is no second banana, and Lois is not the kind of character that is going to pine after Clark. Clark is supposed to pine after her and right now it looks as though he's already over it.

SnowBird
01-23-2009, 08:51 AM
That's why Superman Returns sucked, because it was based an old long gone idea of Pre-Crisis.

Post-Crisis Clark does act like a normal guy, with a normal life.

He has even found a way to have a normal job at the DP.

Timester
01-23-2009, 08:51 AM
That whole conversation between Chloe and Clark was pathetic. "Lois is so...Lois." That's it! Chloe says "it's obvious" and Clark can't even elaborate on his feelings for Lois? He has to regress to his boyhood crush?

Lois is so Lois is one of the typical comments of Post-Crisis Clark.

myankskent
01-23-2009, 08:53 AM
The big mistake that was made this season was to have Clois pushed as far as it was while TPTB knew that Clana was coming back in the middle of the season. TPTB, I'm sure, would say that they are not making this a full blown love triangle and that keeping Lois out of these episodes is proof of that, but the fact is that they have now sort of mixed Clana and Clois together.

galatians221
01-23-2009, 08:56 AM
Who wrote this episode? Was it Brian Peterson & Kelly Souders? It would surprise me. They generally adore Lana and Clana and hate Lois and Clois.

That whole conversation between Chloe and Clark was pathetic. "Lois is so...Lois." That's it! Chloe says "it's obvious" and Clark can't even elaborate on his feelings for Lois? He has to regress to his boyhood crush?

Lois is no second banana, and Lois is not the kind of character that is going to pine after Clark. Clark is supposed to pine after her and right now it looks as though he's already over it.

This is all because Erica Durance had other commitments and needed five weeks off so we get lame episodes with Lana at the center of it all. If there is to be a S9 they can't do this again. Durance has to commit. As you said, she's no second banana.

jimmyolsenblues
01-23-2009, 08:57 AM
for me the lexana over use killed...i would have preferred that lex constantly pursued lana and was spurned which continued his spiral to evil...
the consummation of marriage was just too much and if you plot ratings from episode 100 to today...we lost a of viewers...my assumption is lexana...

eas
01-23-2009, 08:58 AM
I'm just going to quote myself from another thread. (Man, there are a LOT of threads talking about the same thing. This is getting confusing.)

Overall, I really loved this episode.

As far as Clana vs. Clois is concerned: It's pointless.

I'm going to step back for a moment and say that Clark has a very different relationship with both women. And I think this is something that both Clana fans and Clois fans have to come to terms with, because it's good & bad for both groups.

He's been madly in love with Lana for years. Has that evolved to just plain love and not being "in" love? We don't know, yet. He has put Lana on a pedestal and refused to see things with her in a realistic way. Even when Lana asked him to and called him on it. Clark sees something in Lana that - perhaps - no one else sees, but that's HIS call to make. I can't look down on him for that. At this point, I felt that his reaction to Lana made sense. The episodes started with him avoiding her. He made Chloe come back from Star City to help him with research instead of asking Lana to do it. He brushed her off when she tried to have a coffee with him. And, then, at the very end, he chose to go Lana, because she broke up with him to save the world (so he thinks). His response, at the moment, was to say, "Why does it have to be that way?" He kissed her. Why wouldn't he kiss her? These two have had years of history and they've lived together, slept together.

Moving on to Clois... he's never idealized her, that's for sure. :lol: He doesn't put her on a pedestal and he has no problem being rude or sarcastic to her. But he cares for her and they're very good friends. I see a healthy amount of mutual respect and friendship between them. There's a lot about Clark that Lois doesn't know. But I think there's a lot about Lois that Clark doesn't know, too. She still surprises him and I think that's the biggest difference between Lana & Lois, in Clark's eyes. Maybe it's because he met Lois late in life or what-not, but he doesn't pigeon-hole Lois & try to get her to behave the way he believes she SHOULD be... and that makes their friendship easier to digest. He's also phyisically attracted to her, but I think that he would hesitate (and he is) in anything going deeper between them, because I think that he is scared. She's very different than any woman he has ever been with. And he's still unsure of where things stand with Lana, so he probably thinks "no action" is better than trying to move forward with Lois and ending up hurting her more down the road.

Anyway... the fact is that Clark loves Lana & I think he's in the process of falling in love with Lois. I think it's not ideal that they overlapped these two relationships & it makes Clark look confused and a bit out of it. But, hey, that's life. "SV" is the "Clark, Lex, and Lana" show, after all.


If anything Lois looked more like a rebound girl earlier in the season. I don't understand why people are so concerned that she will look like the "rebound girl" now.

Earlier in the season, Clark was coming off being dumped in a rather harsh manner, and had admitted that he still had some lingering feelings about Lana. But people are okay with him progressing his relationship to Lois at that point, without it seeming like Clark is on the rebound?

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I actually don't have a problem with how the first half played out, for the most part. Between "Odyssey" and "Abyss", I think they handled it well. Clark and Lois had a deepening friendship... Lois fell in love with him. (Who can blame her?) Clark, for his part, enjoyed hanging out with Lois, was a good friend to her, and flirted/bantered with her. But when it came down to it, he was still mourning the loss of his relationship with Lana & trying to come to terms with how the whole "saving the world" thing was going to wreck havoc on his personal life.

I think the part where they dropped the ball and hurt BOTH Lois and Clark's characters was "Bride". My anger and frustration stems from the events of "Bride" only. They took things too far with Lois's feelings & then they really crossed the line by having Clark realize the depth of Lois's feelings & trying to kiss her.

THAT'S the point where I feel frustrated. All the stuff going down in Clana's arc? I would have been cool with it, if Clark hadn't leaned in to kiss Lois in "Bride" and if he hadn't seen her reaction to him reading Jimmy's vows.

I think that Clois is cheapened, somehow, by having Clark give Clana another shot when he knows that he might be able to move on from Lana & end up being with Lois. Before, Lois wasn't a possibility for him, so Clana never annoyed me. But now? He's opened that door and it's hard not see him walk through it because of Lana.

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She'll look like a rebound no matter a season 9 or not at this point.

I don't know, Melissa, I think I can't agree with that. I'm not happy, by any means, in how this is playing out. (It's at Lois's expense and that saddens me.)

But, honestly, a year from now, Clark has every right to move on to someone else & for people to not see it as a rebound. If Clana end up breaking up because "the world needs Clark more" and then - a year later - he can't help but chase after Lois and try to make it work with her? She's still his first choice, because this is Superman. He can chase after Lana from one end of the earth to the other, if he wants. But, instead, he chooses to love Lois and make it work with her in a way he never did with Lana.

That's not a rebound... that's love.

However, if he chooses to go after Lois about... oh... one episode after Lana leaves, that makes him look bad & the whole thing is suspect to me.

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Bravo. I couldn't agree more.



Again, I couldn't agree more. Thanks for a very well thought out post Sana

Thanks!! For the record, you can't say "I told you so" yet. You'll have to wait until after "Requiem". ;)


This is exactly how I saw this too. He mentions times when they were 14. 14!! He's looking backwards, afraid to let go.

The first 10 episodes not only set up Lois's feelings, they showed us a conflicted Clark. He was unable to tell Jimmy people ever get over their first love in Instinct, because he hadn't.

The scene with Chloe in this episode had him wondering just that. The "can you" was not a rhetorical question asked in confidence, it was self-reflection looking for reassurance that he can't fall out of love like that.

It's scary to fall out of love, just as scary as falling in love.

I think for Clark it's even scarier than more people, because 'being in love with Lana Lang' has been a huge part of who he was when he was growing up. It was part of his identity. The second he acknowledges (to himself and others) that he's no longer in love with her, he loses a huge part of his youth and what he was.

I saw the moment where he kissed her as being well played. It was on the Talon set, in a location where they used to meet as kids. I think it's very telling that this scene didn't happen in the loft, her old apartment, or his kitchen. Those were places they had bad memories.... the coffee house hearkened back to their nice days, when Lana first started falling in love with him.

I think it was the beginning of the end and their relationship was coming full circle. Clark saw her, remembered their good times, and he's trying to hold onto that. But, I think, the next episodes will show him coming to terms with the fact that it's gone. What he's trying to hold onto just doesn't exist anymore.

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This is all because Erica Durance had other commitments and needed five weeks off so we get lame episodes with Lana at the center of it all. If there is to be a S9 they can't do this again. Durance has to commit. As you said, she's no second banana.

That's not true... they didn't give Durance the episodes, so she used her time off to do a movie. She WANTS to do "SV" full time, and they won't give her that.

So, really, this whole Clana arc is not Durance's fault.

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Lois is so Lois is one of the typical comments of Post-Crisis Clark.

I had a feeling this is something I would expect Superman to say. LOL

I didn't mind that convo... to me, it was a huge leap from when Clark would be ready to bust out with denials, laughter, sarcasm, and a running list of all of Lois's flaw as soon as someone would even hint that he was interested in her.

Big difference in this convo... he looks at Chloe, sighs, and acknowledges what Chloe is saying is true. And, then, he can't find the words to describe how he feels about her. Chloe gives him an out...

I thought it was a sweet moment. It showed his confusion well.

galatians221
01-23-2009, 09:32 AM
That's why Superman Returns sucked, because it was based an old long gone idea of Pre-Crisis. That's why Lois and Clark never married in the Pre-Crisis.

Post-Crisis Clark does act like a normal guy, with a normal life.

And you're left with Lois and Clark. Please. L&C sitting around the house making out and eating popcorn just doesn't do it for me.

Iluvgreen
01-23-2009, 09:56 AM
How about we give this thing a little chance... see how he handles it next week.

galatians221
01-23-2009, 10:11 AM
for me the lexana over use killed...i would have preferred that lex constantly pursued lana and was spurned which continued his spiral to evil...
the consummation of marriage was just too much and if you plot ratings from episode 100 to today...we lost a of viewers...my assumption is lexana...

I agree and as posted on this thread, CK should resist Lana. I hate it when they depict Clark as weak. He's grown enough to have received compliments from Jor El and then the writers constantly bring him back down.

Timester
01-23-2009, 10:12 AM
And you're left with Lois and Clark. Please. L&C sitting around the house making out and eating popcorn just doesn't do it for me.

:confused:

But that's how they work. If otherwise, why would they marry at all?

galatians221
01-23-2009, 10:17 AM
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That's not true... they didn't give Durance the episodes, so she used her time off to do a movie. She WANTS to do "SV" full time, and they won't give her that.

So, really, this whole Clana arc is not Durance's fault.

Thanks for straightening me out. That makes me more upset as there was no point in this. It was wrong and the ratings will suffer and perhaps even put S9 in jeopardy. That was a stupid move.

LuckyLois
01-23-2009, 10:45 AM
Thanks Sana for your post. I feel a little better, but the end still got to me. Clark just looked so desperate to hold on. It seemed a bit pathetic to me, but maybe because Lane left him is why he is holding on now. I have seen many people not be able to let go of relationships and hold on because they feel it was their fault the person left them.

I know what happens in the end, but this just didn't sit right with me, or my 2 kids.

eas
01-23-2009, 12:38 PM
Thanks Sana for your post. I feel a little better, but the end still got to me. Clark just looked so desperate to hold on. It seemed a bit pathetic to me, but maybe because Lane left him is why he is holding on now. I have seen many people not be able to let go of relationships and hold on because they feel it was their fault the person left them.

I know what happens in the end, but this just didn't sit right with me, or my 2 kids.

I guess I didn't see him as begging. I saw him as questioning her motives and reasons.

In the DVD she told him that she was leaving him, because "I need you, but the world needs you more...".

That's the reason she gave him.

Then, he tells her they should get back together & her response is - again - "The world needs you, Clark...".

He had just had an intense experience where he saw a guy put his life on the line everyday to save the world. And the guy was married to his high school sweetheart. And when he questioned how the guy did this to his wife and kid everyday, Turpin's response was that he reminds himself that he's doing it to make the world a better place for them. And then Clark looks over and he sees a brave woman and little boy & he thinks, "Why not? Why can't this be me? Why can't that woman be Lana and why can't we be together?"

The fact is that Clark has now come to the point where he thinks Lana is wrong. That excuse, for him, is not cutting it anymore. He thinks that if Lana wants to walk away, she has to give him a better reason than that.

At least, that's how I saw it. He's not begging her to be with him. He's questioning her REASONS for not being with him.

And I like Clark doing that. It's something he should have done a long time ago.

galatians221
01-23-2009, 02:08 PM
I guess I didn't see him as begging. I saw him as questioning her motives and reasons.

In the DVD she told him that she was leaving him, because "I need you, but the world needs you more...".

That's the reason she gave him.

Then, he tells her they should get back together & her response is - again - "The world needs you, Clark...".

He had just had an intense experience where he saw a guy put his life on the line everyday to save the world. And the guy was married to his high school sweetheart. And when he questioned how the guy did this to his wife and kid everyday, Turpin's response was that he reminds himself that he's doing it to make the world a better place for them. And then Clark looks over and he sees a brave woman and little boy & he thinks, "Why not? Why can't this be me? Why can't that woman be Lana and why can't we be together?"

The fact is that Clark has now come to the point where he thinks Lana is wrong. That excuse, for him, is not cutting it anymore. He thinks that if Lana wants to walk away, she has to give him a better reason than that.

At least, that's how I saw it. He's not begging her to be with him. He's questioning her REASONS for not being with him.

And I like Clark doing that. It's something he should have done a long time ago.

The problem to me is that every other member of the cast is strong and resolute and CK is depicted as this tormented soul who won't confront his destiny and is afraid of heights and wants to sit in the barn looking at Lana's picture. The teenage stuff is over with and we need to see The Man of Steel. This CK could be an interior decorator or wedding planner. He needs to figure it out. Tess is taking over Luthorcorp and Lana is trying to take over the world and Oliver is saving the world while Lois wants to expose the evils of the world through print and CK is tortured and conflicted. Sheesh.

eas
01-23-2009, 02:33 PM
The problem to me is that every other member of the cast is strong and resolute and CK is depicted as this tormented soul who won't confront his destiny and is afraid of heights and wants to sit in the barn looking at Lana's picture. The teenage stuff is over with and we need to see The Man of Steel. This CK could be an interior decorator or wedding planner. He needs to figure it out. Tess is taking over Luthorcorp and Lana is trying to take over the world and Oliver is saving the world while Lois wants to expose the evils of the world through print and CK is tortured and conflicted. Sheesh.

S5-7, I would have agreed with you. But S8? I can't agree. Lana left him and he proactively chose to go to Metrpolis and save the world everyday. He became the "red/blue blur" and did what needed to be done on a daily basis. Was he sad about Lana? Sure. Did he miss her or miss having someone to love? Sure. But he didn't let it cripple him.

In "Bulletproof", the episode starts out with him working. Whatever he's working on is not the MM case, at that time. He's actually working so hard, he completely forgot about Lana. And, then, when he sees MM, he's immediately in, "I must save him and get to the bottom of this mystery" mode. The whole episode, his WHOLE focus is on saving MM and figuring out what's going on with the cops. And he has issues to work through with Ollie. He needs research and he calls Chloe. He didn't just go to Lana for help. He's not the one who brought up Lana with Chloe... she did. And when he does acknowledge that things are weird, he voices confusion and says, "You don't just fall out of love with someone, right?"

The only time he actually focused on Lana, on his own accord, was AFTER everything was taken care of with MM, Ollie, and Turpin. And then Turpin makes that statement, so he goes, "OK, so, I have a hero telling me that you can do both -- have a life and be a hero. Can Lana and I do this?"

To me, I saw no regression. I really didn't.

galatians221
01-23-2009, 03:38 PM
S5-7, I would have agreed with you. But S8? I can't agree. Lana left him and he proactively chose to go to Metrpolis and save the world everyday. He became the "red/blue blur" and did what needed to be done on a daily basis. Was he sad about Lana? Sure. Did he miss her or miss having someone to love? Sure. But he didn't let it cripple him.

In "Bulletproof", the episode starts out with him working. Whatever he's working on is not the MM case, at that time. He's actually working so hard, he completely forgot about Lana. And, then, when he sees MM, he's immediately in, "I must save him and get to the bottom of this mystery" mode. The whole episode, his WHOLE focus is on saving MM and figuring out what's going on with the cops. And he has issues to work through with Ollie. He needs research and he calls Chloe. He didn't just go to Lana for help. He's not the one who brought up Lana with Chloe... she did. And when he does acknowledge that things are weird, he voices confusion and says, "You don't just fall out of love with someone, right?"

The only time he actually focused on Lana, on his own accord, was AFTER everything was taken care of with MM, Ollie, and Turpin. And then Turpin makes that statement, so he goes, "OK, so, I have a hero telling me that you can do both -- have a life and be a hero. Can Lana and I do this?"

To me, I saw no regression. I really didn't.

Lana IS regression.

Timester
01-23-2009, 03:44 PM
S5-7, I would have agreed with you. But S8? I can't agree. Lana left him and he proactively chose to go to Metrpolis and save the world everyday. He became the "red/blue blur" and did what needed to be done on a daily basis. Was he sad about Lana? Sure. Did he miss her or miss having someone to love? Sure. But he didn't let it cripple him.

In "Bulletproof", the episode starts out with him working. Whatever he's working on is not the MM case, at that time. He's actually working so hard, he completely forgot about Lana. And, then, when he sees MM, he's immediately in, "I must save him and get to the bottom of this mystery" mode. The whole episode, his WHOLE focus is on saving MM and figuring out what's going on with the cops. And he has issues to work through with Ollie. He needs research and he calls Chloe. He didn't just go to Lana for help. He's not the one who brought up Lana with Chloe... she did. And when he does acknowledge that things are weird, he voices confusion and says, "You don't just fall out of love with someone, right?"

The only time he actually focused on Lana, on his own accord, was AFTER everything was taken care of with MM, Ollie, and Turpin. And then Turpin makes that statement, so he goes, "OK, so, I have a hero telling me that you can do both -- have a life and be a hero. Can Lana and I do this?"

To me, I saw no regression. I really didn't.

Good to see you joined the good fight. :p

Seriously now, I couldn't agree more.

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Lana IS regression.

Why? Because she is Lana?

myankskent
01-23-2009, 03:45 PM
To me, I saw no regression. I really didn't.

I have to agree. Regression would be if Clark had to go to work and decided not to because he wanted to spend the day with Lana or ignoring an emergency on the streets of Metropolis because of Lana. As I read through a lot of these arguments, I'm starting to think that if Clark doesn't sit at his DP desk 24/7 or walk the streets of Metropolis 24/7 and instead goes to have a talk with Lana that leads to a kiss, that means that Clark is regressing. I just don't get it, especially since there are plenty of times when Clark is focused on Lois in the future when he is not working at the DP or saving lives. Should he get butchered as a character during those occasions as well?

Yoshua
01-23-2009, 03:47 PM
In Superman Returns, CK would be walking into the DP in the morning while they were playing his exploits from around the world last night indicating that he didn't sleep and was on the job 24/7. He left Lois for five years because his work was more important than any family situation. I don't think Superman coming home for dinner at 5pm and having the neighbors over for barbecue will work. I know he marries Lois eventually but his life can never be normal or balanced. He has to save the world.

And then he has adulterous thoughts and breaks into kids bedrooms late at night.

davidbrenton
01-23-2009, 03:48 PM
This episode was awesome and there wasn't any regression for Clark in it. I hate that Lana's in the episode, but that's another issue.

Timester
01-23-2009, 03:49 PM
And then he has adulterous thoughts and breaks into kids bedrooms late at night.

:rotfl:

So sad, and yet so funny at the same time.

Alicia Chipy
01-23-2009, 05:07 PM
OK maybe not regression, but a resession for sure.
Don't mind me, gratuitous Clana always makes me temporarily incoherent...

galatians221
01-23-2009, 10:36 PM
Good to see you joined the good fight. :p

Seriously now, I couldn't agree more.

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Why? Because she is Lana?

Yep. It's an overdone plot line that ran its course about three seasons ago. The whole thing portrays CK as a weak, conflicted boy who doesn't want to grow up and can't make decisions. SV generally plays Clark as a bit silly and weak and Chloe, Oliver and Lana are used to give him direction. He runs to Chloe whenever he needs information and he's supposed to have a computer like mind and super cognitive skills but he needed Chloe to read a prescription in one episode. The Lana thing is part of keeping him just a little bit stupid, weak and indecisive.

dancinqt21
01-23-2009, 10:58 PM
This is all because Erica Durance had other commitments and needed five weeks off so we get lame episodes with Lana at the center of it all. If there is to be a S9 they can't do this again. Durance has to commit. As you said, she's no second banana.


lol I totally agree these are lame episodes.

This isn't a matter of Erica's commitment to the show, it's about what sort of contract they offer her. In some recent interviews while they were filming the beginning of S8, Erica said she would love to do as many episodes as possible. SV just needs to offer to sign her for a full season.

susangail
01-23-2009, 11:07 PM
Clark will never achieve a perfect balance between his work and a home life, not in a sitcom-family kind of way. So what? As long as he and his wife are on the same page, who cares? "Bulletproof" gave us a glimpse of Suzie Turpin's life and how she coped.

Legendary Lois & Clark
01-23-2009, 11:30 PM
lol I totally agree these are lame episodes.

This isn't a matter of Erica's commitment to the show, it's about what sort of contract they offer her. In some recent interviews while they were filming the beginning of S8, Erica said she would love to do as many episodes as possible. SV just needs to offer to sign her for a full season.

After three solid seasons of her as a "regular" (Isn't that a laugh?) and the same old bull of "she's available to do more if we need her to do more" coming from the producers, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what's being shoveled. There's no way that she's ever getting a full season.:cool:

supercatmom
01-23-2009, 11:54 PM
The pink goddess is back. She is stunning and beautiful and in 3 episodes, Clark is back to being a fourteen year old schoolboy under her spell. I could vomit.

I had expected better than this from ps3. Clark is acting like a love sick fool and Lana will sacrifice her love for him so he can save the world. Didn't we have enough of this last season. PS3 - the first part of season 8 was so great and now you have gone and ruined it.

This is the big problem I have always had with Clana. You are continuing to make Lana the Love of Clark's Life. And this makes Lois, the rebound girl, second best. If he can't have Lana, He will settle for Lois.

It goes against Superman Mythos and diminishes the grandeur of the Lois and Clark love story.

Legendary Lois & Clark
01-24-2009, 12:00 AM
The pink goddess is back. She is stunning and beautiful and in 3 episodes, Clark is back to being a fourteen year old schoolboy under her spell. I could vomit.

I had expected better than this from ps3. Clark is acting like a love sick fool and Lana will sacrifice her love for him so he can save the world. Didn't we have enough of this last season. PS3 - the first part of season 8 was so great and now you have g(one and ruined it.

This is the big problem I have always had with Clana. You are continuing to make Lana the Love of Clark's Life. And this makes Lois, the rebound girl, second best. If he can't have Lana, He will settle for Lois.

It goes against Superman Mythos and diminishes the grandeur of the Lois and Clark love story.
That's why the Superman comics (from any era) will always be the quintessential telling of the Man of Steel. The original Clark in all his 40's and 50's goofiness was still never this weak (and I don't mean powers either). Al/Miles and the PS3 have taken it to a whole sickening level were not even roaches can survive.

galatians221
01-24-2009, 01:37 PM
The pink goddess is back. She is stunning and beautiful and in 3 episodes, Clark is back to being a fourteen year old schoolboy under her spell. I could vomit.

I had expected better than this from ps3. Clark is acting like a love sick fool and Lana will sacrifice her love for him so he can save the world. Didn't we have enough of this last season. PS3 - the first part of season 8 was so great and now you have gone and ruined it.

This is the big problem I have always had with Clana. You are continuing to make Lana the Love of Clark's Life. And this makes Lois, the rebound girl, second best. If he can't have Lana, He will settle for Lois.

It goes against Superman Mythos and diminishes the grandeur of the Lois and Clark love story.

Great post. That just about says it all.

Alicia Chipy
01-24-2009, 03:01 PM
Its like turning Romeo and Juliet into A Midsummer's Night Dream.

Clark's indecision has tarnished SV Clois for me. Only supergroveling at Lois feet will make me believe again.

galatians221
01-24-2009, 03:24 PM
Its like turning Romeo and Juliet into A Midsummer's Night Dream.

Clark's indecision has tarnished SV Clois for me. Only supergroveling at Lois feet will make me believe again.

Lois needs to see The Man of Steel also and fall in love with that person rather than "Flannelboy" "Farmer John" or "Smallville". We all need to see Superman. If they can't do that then end the show and forget about a ninth season. They've gone too far to turn back and Bulletproof was a major turning back.

kimmiss
01-24-2009, 03:46 PM
Who wrote this episode? Was it Brian Peterson & Kelly Souders? It would surprise me. They generally adore Lana and Clana and hate Lois and Clois.

That whole conversation between Chloe and Clark was pathetic. "Lois is so...Lois." That's it! Chloe says "it's obvious" and Clark can't even elaborate on his feelings for Lois? He has to regress to his boyhood crush?

Lois is no second banana, and Lois is not the kind of character that is going to pine after Clark. Clark is supposed to pine after her and right now it looks as though he's already over it.

I agree. That was some lame dialogue. What is he really wanted to say was ," Lois is sexy as hell but I'm not sure if I'm in love with her".
It wou;d have been better for Oliver to strike up the conversation regarding Lois.

Mr.Magic
01-24-2009, 03:56 PM
And you're left with Lois and Clark. Please. L&C sitting around the house making out and eating popcorn just doesn't do it for me.


:confused:

But that's how they work. If otherwise, why would they marry at all?

It's Lane and Kent. The hottest team in town. You know, working together, having adventures...
Even on their quiet evenings at home someone is likely to shout "Help! Superman!".

galatians221
01-24-2009, 04:53 PM
It's Lane and Kent. The hottest team in town. You know, working together, having adventures...
Even on their quiet evenings at home someone is likely to shout "Help! Superman!".

I'll settle for seeing that soon on Smallville. I don't think it will work but it has to be better than this. I just hope they don't live in the barn.