View Full Version : Lois will have to chase CK; he's not interested
galatians221
01-23-2009, 07:30 AM
I hated what happened in Bulletproof and am sure that Chloe will be making some noise telling Lois to back off from Clark. There is no way the writers can have him smashing face with Lana and then just jumping into Lois' arms when she returns. Lois has confessed her feelings for Clark to Oliver but Clark seems uncomfortable with his feelings towards Lois. This is going to take a while so maybe that's a sign that there will be a S9. I'm so sick of Lana that I could just scream. (I just did).
hero`s passion
01-23-2009, 08:01 AM
I`m sick of Lana too!!!!!!
Timester
01-23-2009, 08:13 AM
I hated what happened in Bulletproof and am sure that Chloe will be making some noise telling Lois to back off from Clark. There is no way the writers can have him smashing face with Lana and then just jumping into Lois' arms when she returns. Lois has confessed her feelings for Clark to Oliver but Clark seems uncomfortable with his feelings towards Lois. This is going to take a while so maybe that's a sign that there will be a S9. I'm so sick of Lana that I could just scream. (I just did).
As far as I remember, Lois was also not interested in the beginning of the season. We all know how that moved on.
galatians221
01-23-2009, 08:17 AM
As far as I remember, Lois was also not interested in the beginning of the season. We all know how that moved on.
Lois has flitted from Oliver to her boss and now to Clark. I have no interest in Clark being like Lois. Lois can cool her heels for a while. Clark is not ready until he can exorcise the spirit of Lana. That will take some time if it is done right. That's why I consider "Bulletproof" such a major step backwards.
Timester
01-23-2009, 08:19 AM
Lois has flitted from Oliver to her boss and now to Clark. I have no interest in Clark being like Lois. Lois can cool her heels for a while. Clark is not ready until he can exorcise the spirit of Lana. That will take some time if it is done right. That's why I consider "Bulletproof" such a major step backwards.
If he has to exorcise the spirit of Lana, then it's because he never moved on from her in the first place. Therefore, there is not backwards. He is still on the same place, romance-wise.
HowardFilms
01-23-2009, 08:23 AM
Shoo Lana.
galatians221
01-23-2009, 08:25 AM
If he has to exorcise the spirit of Lana, then it's because he never moved on from her in the first place. Therefore, there is not backwards. He is still on the same place, romance-wise.
Agreed but the best part of this season is seeing the progression of Clois. Jimmy, Chloe and Oliver have all mentioned it to Lois and Clark seems interested but still distant. He can't be kissing Lana in one episode and then all hot to trot with Lois in the next episode. That's why "Bulletproof" was so screwed up. It would have been better if Lana came on to Clark and CK told her that he had feelings for someone else. I'm ok with Lana being screwed up in the head but I'm not OK with CK being screwed up in the head. This is the Man of Steel and he needs to get his head on right. It's way overdue.
Yoshua
01-23-2009, 08:26 AM
Lois has to lose interest in Clark before they can become a couple.
She becomes enamored with Superman. Not Clark Kent.
And by that time the window for Clark will be closed and he will be in love with Lois but unable to do anything about it because she will have lost interest in him.
They can't put Lois and Clark together before they put Superman and Lois together. That isn't the way it happened.
I didn't mind Clana so much. Superman however has regressed since Legion.
galatians221
01-23-2009, 08:35 AM
Lois has to lose interest in Clark before they can become a couple.
She becomes enamored with Superman. Not Clark Kent.
And by that time the window for Clark will be closed and he will be in love with Lois but unable to do anything about it because she will have lost interest in him.
They can't put Lois and Clark together before they put Superman and Lois together. That isn't the way it happened.
Smallville departed from that storyline when they introduced Lois to the show. She now knows CK and actually got him the job. He could still become Superman but I don't think we're going to see that on this show.
LuckyLois
01-23-2009, 08:40 AM
Lois is gonna bury her feelings like she told Clark in TOXIC. When you feel those feelings start to surface, you just stop and remember why things didn't work out right the first time. Hopefully the writers get it right and make Clark work for Lois's trust and Love.
llk6165
01-23-2009, 08:46 AM
I hated what happened in Bulletproof and am sure that Chloe will be making some noise telling Lois to back off from Clark. There is no way the writers can have him smashing face with Lana and then just jumping into Lois' arms when she returns. Lois has confessed her feelings for Clark to Oliver but Clark seems uncomfortable with his feelings towards Lois. This is going to take a while so maybe that's a sign that there will be a S9. I'm so sick of Lana that I could just scream. (I just did).
I would like to respectfully disagree. I have started a top ten list of reasons posted in the LnC section. If anything, I think that Clark will have to chase Lois because it will be difficult for her to have faith in him with the kissy Lana thing. I agree that Clark is uncomfortable with his feelings, but I feel it is becaue he is still uncomfortable with himself. I also agree that this is a sign for S9. Usually I don't care for Lana, because she her history with Clark, but I felt that even she sees it is time to move on. Clark just wants to be 14 again. When he realizes it ain't so great, he will be ready. He is hanging on to a memory, but that is all it is. He needs this time to realize his feelings have changed. Just my view
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Lois is gonna bury her feelings like she told Clark in TOXIC. When you feel those feelings start to surface, you just stop and remember why things didn't work out right the first time. Hopefully the writers get it right and make Clark work for Lois's trust and Love.
They are writing that exact scenario as we speak.
galatians221
01-23-2009, 08:49 AM
Lois is gonna bury her feelings like she told Clark in TOXIC. When you feel those feelings start to surface, you just stop and remember why things didn't work out right the first time. Hopefully the writers get it right and make Clark work for Lois's trust and Love.
The answer is for him to become Superman and for Lois to fall in love with Supes and lose interest in CK. That could work for many more seasons but it's not likely to happen. If they came out in S9 with a new title "Superman: the Beginning" the ratings would jump as all generations love the story of Superman. As it is, even if there is a S9 a Superman who can't fly and hangs around the barn staring at pictures of Lana isn't the Superman that everyone wants to see.
Alexander III
01-23-2009, 08:59 AM
Relax, Clois will happen again rite after Lana disappears.
Relax, Clois will happen again rite after Lana disappears.
I hope not.
davidbrenton
01-23-2009, 09:26 AM
As far as I remember, Lois was also not interested in the beginning of the season. We all know how that moved on.
Lois was interested in the beginning of the season. Since day 1 when she learned Clark would be sharing a desk with her. Remember, it closed on her smile. She has been interested the entire season, with elevating degrees.
galatians221
01-23-2009, 09:30 AM
Lois was interested in the beginning of the season. Since day 1 when she learned Clark would be sharing a desk with her. Remember, it closed on her smile. She has been interested the entire season, with elevating degrees.
Agreed. The writers are lazy imho and so they bring back Lana as a freak of the week. That's what they used as a crutch for about six seasons and now they need something else to fall back on so they have Lex hooked up to tubes and hoses and they can't let go. Next we'll see Lionel reappearing and will marry Martha. Just as I thought the writing was becoming much better they are regressing.
Timester
01-23-2009, 09:32 AM
Lois was interested in the beginning of the season. Since day 1 when she learned Clark would be sharing a desk with her. Remember, it closed on her smile. She has been interested the entire season, with elevating degrees.
But she was ignoring it. Correction, she didn't even knew until Maxima.
costas22
01-23-2009, 09:35 AM
davisbrenton is right.Timester is also right.They never told us Clark was completely over Lana.Clark hasn't really taken a step back in my eyes romantically.The absence of Lana forced him to move on without exploring his love life.When the Clois started to pick up steam,you saw that even though he felt an attraction,he was also kind of passive.He didn't know if he was ready to move on.When Bride came along,you felt that he was willing to find out if he was over Lana.No one needs to worry.Just like i felt that the Chloe mindwipe wouldn't last long i have the similar feeling here.The true concern for Smallville fans was his admission that he wanted to put what he wanted before what the world wants.That is more alarming than Clark chosing Lana over Lois.
Iluvgreen
01-23-2009, 09:50 AM
I'm sick of Lana... but I think Clark will chase Lois.
Estro-gen X
01-23-2009, 10:13 AM
Clark is uncomfortable. He's known this woman and lived with her for years. Now he has feelings for her that he doesn't know she reciprocates. (and her teasing may make him believe she has no interest at all.) Of course he's confused about it but it doesn't mean he isn't interested
Minamostaza
01-23-2009, 10:18 AM
I think Clark won't ever forget or stop loving Lana......first love, remember? You just can't stop loving someone you loved so much in the past, you just can't do that, even if you want to, because the feelings will always be there no matter if that person is gone. Some of you are right. Clark is gonna have to chase Lois, because to become a couple,(clois) Lois will have to be in love with Superman, and there is no superman in Smallville YET, so I think that if there is a season 9, the producers will have to put Superman after all, because Lois is going to fall in love with Supe, and then Clark is gonna finally in love with lois, but too late Clarki, Lois is in love with the hero you hide in you.
Anyway Clois is going to happen, and if it doesn't happen this season just wait to see 9 season(of course if there is one)
Dyanara
01-23-2009, 10:37 AM
Relax, Clois will happen again rite after Lana disappears.
I can't possibly be the only person who sees how sick this scenario is?
svtwamedfan05
01-23-2009, 01:17 PM
Lois is gonna bury her feelings like she told Clark in TOXIC. When you feel those feelings start to surface, you just stop and remember why things didn't work out right the first time. Hopefully the writers get it right and make Clark work for Lois's trust and Love.
They better
davidbrenton
01-23-2009, 01:18 PM
Or...in typical mid-season arc fashion, the season/series finale will be named "He's just not that into you"
skye4376
01-23-2009, 01:25 PM
I hated what happened in Bulletproof and am sure that Chloe will be making some noise telling Lois to back off from Clark. There is no way the writers can have him smashing face with Lana and then just jumping into Lois' arms when she returns. Lois has confessed her feelings for Clark to Oliver but Clark seems uncomfortable with his feelings towards Lois. This is going to take a while so maybe that's a sign that there will be a S9. I'm so sick of Lana that I could just scream. (I just did).
maybe clark is uncomfortable with his feelings for lois because he doesn't believe that she could ever really feel that way about him.
galatians221
01-23-2009, 02:04 PM
I can't possibly be the only person who sees how sick this scenario is?
You're not.
Fish1941
01-23-2009, 02:10 PM
I think Clark won't ever forget or stop loving Lana......first love, remember? You just can't stop loving someone you loved so much in the past, you just can't do that, even if you want to, because the feelings will always be there no matter if that person is gone. Some of you are right. Clark is gonna have to chase Lois, because to become a couple,(clois) Lois will have to be in love with Superman, and there is no superman in Smallville YET, so I think that if there is a season 9, the producers will have to put Superman after all, because Lois is going to fall in love with Supe, and then Clark is gonna finally in love with lois, but too late Clarki, Lois is in love with the hero you hide in you.
This doesn't make sense . . . especially in the SMALLVILLE universe. Why? :Lois is already in love with Clark and he isn't Superman yet. Also, Clark already has feelings for Lois, even if he isn't ready to let go of Lana, yet. And I suspect that in this universe, Lois is going to find out about Clark's powers before he officially becomes Superman.
zHeN_zHeN
01-23-2009, 02:22 PM
Wha?? Lois chase after Clark? Yeah, no thanks. He had his chance. Now, he'll have to move heaven and earth to get her love back.
h-rob
01-23-2009, 03:10 PM
Although I dont like the Lana/Clark relationship, it really needs closure. Clark still talks about Lana, all of the time. I just think that her last episode will cool him off. I also think that Lois is not going to be as open with her feelings when she returns and Clark will begin to show his emotion a little more. But I hope that when Lois comes back that Clark will have "grown up" from his high school emotions. As far as Lois falling for Superman before Lois an Clark are together, because this is Smallville and they have already introduced Lois to Clark in high school, their relationship will form before he is even Superman.
galatians221
01-23-2009, 03:36 PM
Although I dont like the Lana/Clark relationship, it really needs closure. Clark still talks about Lana, all of the time. I just think that her last episode will cool him off. I also think that Lois is not going to be as open with her feelings when she returns and Clark will begin to show his emotion a little more. But I hope that when Lois comes back that Clark will have "grown up" from his high school emotions. As far as Lois falling for Superman before Lois an Clark are together, because this is Smallville and they have already introduced Lois to Clark in high school, their relationship will form before he is even Superman.
They can make it work. I hope they do so but Lana has to go.
Alicia Chipy
01-23-2009, 04:28 PM
I hope Lois puts him thru the same emotional wringer he has caused her!
Go work on that Pulitzer Lane, Mr.Kent has a lot of maturing to do before he can be on your good graces again.
LoveHurts38
01-23-2009, 04:31 PM
I'm sick of Lana... but I think Clark will chase Lois.
That's what I think too:)
marcella
01-23-2009, 04:40 PM
He will need to chase her,because I'm sure her walls will be up when she returns
Oh, she won't chase, cos he hurt her feelings to say the least, and she feels she got burned again and left out in the cold by yet another person in her life, so she will return the her even more brasen, tactless self and she will put her protecting iron walls up, and Clark will have to chase her by braking those walls! I hope she makes him work for it! If she has any respect for her self she will!
Tatiana
01-23-2009, 04:49 PM
If he has to exorcise the spirit of Lana, then it's because he never moved on from her in the first place. Therefore, there is not backwards. He is still on the same place, romance-wise.
I agree, after all he has been in love with her forever, for some people it is hard to forget their first love and i think he feels somehow he HAS to love her cuz she has been thru so much because of him, I have the theory he feels guilty for having any feelings for Lois so he forces the thought of loving Lana, whether he realizes it or not.
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Oh, she won't chase, cos he hurt her feelings to say the least, and she feels she got burned again and left out in the cold by yet another person in her life, so she will return the her even more brasen, tactless self and she will put her protecting iron walls up, and Clark will have to chase her by braking those walls! I hope she makes him work for it! If she has any respect for her self she will!
I think you're right and as you said, I hope so too. Plus it will be more fun that way I think :)
Dyanara
01-23-2009, 07:31 PM
After that guy last season whose name I cant remember but was kinda sorta Lex's brother...I thought Lois would halt the relationship roller coaster she is on and build up her famous walls that prevents every man from getting close to her. But she didnt and once again she is the dumped girl and it drives me crazy. I would understand and hope that Lois will eventually become her oblivious to everything but the story self and not realize or care that Clark Kent is in love with her.
As for the Superman, Clark, Lois love triangle that is going to be really hard to accomplish in a Smallville world because this Clark isn't putting on any fronts or masks.
buffywill07
01-23-2009, 08:32 PM
i hope it's the other way around
CK will chase LoisLane
paolinki25
01-23-2009, 08:51 PM
As much as I like Lois and good, ol' Superman mythos, I do not want Clois to happen right now, especially after the debacle of latest episodes. Nevertheless, if they are taking this route, I hope that once Lois comes back, we won't see her drooling and all angsty over Clark.
susangail
01-23-2009, 09:22 PM
As much as I like Lois and good, ol' Superman mythos, I do not want Clois to happen right now, especially after the debacle of latest episodes. Nevertheless, if they are taking this route, I hope that once Lois comes back, we won't see her drooling and all angsty over Clark.
Agreed. After Clark has his heart-to-heart with Chloe-as-Lois in Hex, though, I wonder if Clark will finally have a grip on his feelings, however unrequited.
amberdawn
01-23-2009, 09:37 PM
I'm sure her walls will be up when she returns
Good, I hope so. I hope she doesn't give him the time of day when it comes to the change in their relationship. Clark needs to concentrate on other things anyway.
I don't want Clois at all anymore.
Super
01-23-2009, 09:40 PM
I hate Lana and so sick of the whole Clana. Lois will definately have her walls up, Clark blew it, that fool! He'll be chasing her for sure.
ClubXerxes
01-23-2009, 10:14 PM
Lois is still waiting to hear from Clark. She nearly said as much, though she slipped in Chloe's name at the last minute at the end of Bride. She obviously meant she would wait to hear from Clark. Clark has not even given any indication he is thinking about her.
I initially thought the kiss at the end of bulletproof showed there was nothing there, but clearly it looks as if Clark is still hanging on to a figment of the past. I think there are indications now that he will never be able to reclaim that past...I predict we will see Clark come to that realization in the next few episodes.
This still won't explain how he will suddenly be "into" Lois...unless it happens to him the same way it happened to her - he was just going along then all of the sudden, it happened, and no matter how much he tried to deny it, there were moments that just clarified things for him.
Clana was always forced - it was NEVER a smooth ride - no matter how hard they tried to make it work, something always got in the way
Clois by comparison has ALWAYS been smooth (in spite of appearances to the contrary) - she always broke down his barriers like no one else could, and they slowly became closer and closer over time, in spite of their best efforts to hate each other.
Say what you will about Smallville, but these relationships have been diametrically opposed since day one.
I'm confident we'll see a transition soon...why build it up for so long if there isn't going to be a pay off?
galatians221
01-23-2009, 10:29 PM
After that guy last season whose name I cant remember but was kinda sorta Lex's brother...I thought Lois would halt the relationship roller coaster she is on and build up her famous walls that prevents every man from getting close to her. But she didnt and once again she is the dumped girl and it drives me crazy. I would understand and hope that Lois will eventually become her oblivious to everything but the story self and not realize or care that Clark Kent is in love with her.
As for the Superman, Clark, Lois love triangle that is going to be really hard to accomplish in a Smallville world because this Clark isn't putting on any fronts or masks.
Grant. Can't remember his last name. It wasn't Luthor.
Grant Gabriel. Just remembered.
Nitrous
01-23-2009, 10:37 PM
I hope that once Lois comes back, we won't see her drooling and all angsty over Clark.
Agreed.
I usually try and avoid these discussions because I'm not into the whole "romance/angst" thing, but I finally have to throw in my two cents here.
How can anyone take this Clark/Lois relationship seriously? It has been written in a way that makes all the drama on those shows like The OC and Laguna Beach seem believable. Seriously, as a previous poster said, there was absolutely ZERO implication that Lois had any interest at all in Clark in the first episode of the season. Go back and watch it and see for youself if you don't remember. She calls him Smallville and they banter as usual, nothing special. Yet a few episodes later Lois is all of a sudden is "in love" with him in Committed.
Sadly, Bride was even worse. How many over-the-top, corny moments can you have in one episode? When Lois walks down the stairs and sees Clark in his tux, pauses and stares for what seems like an eternity, and then says something like "Well, I guess you're ready," in a lusty voice, I busted out laughing. It was ridiculously cheezy and if that scene ever happened in real life it would be extremely awkward. If someone looked at you and stared at you silently for ten seconds like that I'm pretty sure most people would be thinking, "What the hell"? The "almost kiss" scene was just as bad. Lois stepped back, paused, and stared at him for so long while moving in so slowly that I could have gotten up and grabbed a bag of chips and been back before the scene was over. Seriously, I know that we are watching a show that isn't exactly based on realism, but the human interaction could at least be written in a realistic manner.
Finally, it seems like Lois has been written entirely out of character. In the other relationships she's had on the show, she has never acted anything like the way she is acting now. She was always the strong woman while maintaining the relationship. Yet all of a sudden, she is acting like a stereotypical fourteen year-old school girl who is love sick over the cute guy next to her in chem class. I always thought she would tell herself to get a grip and say to herself that she can't believe she has feelings for "Smallville," (especially considering that they obviously didn't exist just at the start of the season). Instead, the writers have chosen to amp up the angst/drama (most likely in an attempt to appeal to the younger, teenage crowd), but in doing so have made Lois seem like a weak, gushing, helpless little girl.
I expected the building of their relationship to be done in a more entertaining and humorous manner (not to mention realistic), with Lois always trying not to give into her feelings. A good example is the Leia/Han Solo relationship in Star Wars, where they always deny the way they feel and humorously insult each other, yet you can tell they have feelings for one another in serious moments (I admit I'm not really a Star Wars fan but it was the best example I could think of). This insanely corny, teenage, drama/angst filled love story is just too out of character to believe in my opinion.
My guess would be that the writers decided to heavily pour on the angst in an attempt to boost ratings, and figured that everyone else would buy it just because it's Lois and Clark. Sadly, it looks like many people did. I know I will probably get attacked for this, but remember they're just my opinions. I'm just curious to see if others agree.
susangail
01-23-2009, 10:45 PM
On a rational level, you're absolutely right. It's too soon for Lois and Clark -- at least that's what I thought when she showed up in Season 4. At this point, I'm having fun with the Lois & Clark banter, though I could do without the clois-style angst.
I don't get what you see about Lois as out of character, though. There's the public Lois and the private one. Her duality has origins much different than Clark's, but they share that nature.
galatians221
01-24-2009, 01:43 PM
On a rational level, you're absolutely right. It's too soon for Lois and Clark -- at least that's what I thought when she showed up in Season 4. At this point, I'm having fun with the Lois & Clark banter, though I could do without the clois-style angst.
I don't get what you see about Lois as out of character, though. There's the public Lois and the private one. Her duality has origins much different than Clark's, but they share that nature.
CLois is the future and CLana is the past. We're tired of the past and we want to see things progress. I also could care less about Clark having to deal with a giant lizard from outer space. Silliness. The blob may be next.
ZODisGOD
01-24-2009, 01:51 PM
Clark shouldn't be involve in any sort of relationship period, except for the father son relationship with jor-el.
jasmin28
01-24-2009, 02:11 PM
I still can't believe they brought Lana back this season. She ruins the show, GO LOIS!
kg1507
01-24-2009, 02:58 PM
If anything, I think that Clark will have to chase Lois because it will be difficult for her to have faith in him with the kissy Lana thing. I agree that Clark is uncomfortable with his feelings, but I feel it is becaue he is still uncomfortable with himself. I also agree that this is a sign for S9. Usually I don't care for Lana, because she her history with Clark, but I felt that even she sees it is time to move on. Clark just wants to be 14 again. When he realizes it ain't so great, he will be ready. He is hanging on to a memory, but that is all it is. He needs this time to realize his feelings have changed.
I agree. Clark needs to chase Lois. I honestly don't think Lois is going to chase him because she's too stubborn and chasing isn't her style. I'm anxious for the next few episodes now.
starflower69
01-24-2009, 03:03 PM
Lois won't chase Clark. For the superman story to emerge Clark has to fall in love with her. Lois is completely oblivious to his love for her because she's so involved in getting a story and ultimately her Pulitzer. Go Lois!!!! Then she can fall in love with Superman.
kg1507
01-24-2009, 03:04 PM
As far as Lois falling for Superman before Lois an Clark are together, because this is Smallville and they have already introduced Lois to Clark in high school, their relationship will form before he is even Superman.
That's one of the things I love about Smallville. It's a completely different universe, and if they want to make Lois and Clark fall in love with each other before Clark becomes Superman, then it can happen.
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Clois by comparison has ALWAYS been smooth (in spite of appearances to the contrary) - she always broke down his barriers like no one else could, and they slowly became closer and closer over time, in spite of their best efforts to hate each other.
Say what you will about Smallville, but these relationships have been diametrically opposed since day one.
I'm confident we'll see a transition soon...why build it up for so long if there isn't going to be a pay off?
True. I'm confident we're gonna get the Clois we've been waiting 4 seasons for. Not even the Smallville writers would disappoint us like that.
galatians221
01-24-2009, 03:14 PM
Agreed.
I usually try and avoid these discussions because I'm not into the whole "romance/angst" thing, but I finally have to throw in my two cents here.
How can anyone take this Clark/Lois relationship seriously? It has been written in a way that makes all the drama on those shows like The OC and Laguna Beach seem believable. Seriously, as a previous poster said, there was absolutely ZERO implication that Lois had any interest at all in Clark in the first episode of the season. Go back and watch it and see for youself if you don't remember. She calls him Smallville and they banter as usual, nothing special. Yet a few episodes later Lois is all of a sudden is "in love" with him in Committed.
Sadly, Bride was even worse. How many over-the-top, corny moments can you have in one episode? When Lois walks down the stairs and sees Clark in his tux, pauses and stares for what seems like an eternity, and then says something like "Well, I guess you're ready," in a lusty voice, I busted out laughing. It was ridiculously cheezy and if that scene ever happened in real life it would be extremely awkward. If someone looked at you and stared at you silently for ten seconds like that I'm pretty sure most people would be thinking, "What the hell"? The "almost kiss" scene was just as bad. Lois stepped back, paused, and stared at him for so long while moving in so slowly that I could have gotten up and grabbed a bag of chips and been back before the scene was over. Seriously, I know that we are watching a show that isn't exactly based on realism, but the human interaction could at least be written in a realistic manner.
Finally, it seems like Lois has been written entirely out of character. In the other relationships she's had on the show, she has never acted anything like the way she is acting now. She was always the strong woman while maintaining the relationship. Yet all of a sudden, she is acting like a stereotypical fourteen year-old school girl who is love sick over the cute guy next to her in chem class. I always thought she would tell herself to get a grip and say to herself that she can't believe she has feelings for "Smallville," (especially considering that they obviously didn't exist just at the start of the season). Instead, the writers have chosen to amp up the angst/drama (most likely in an attempt to appeal to the younger, teenage crowd), but in doing so have made Lois seem like a weak, gushing, helpless little girl.
I expected the building of their relationship to be done in a more entertaining and humorous manner (not to mention realistic), with Lois always trying not to give into her feelings. A good example is the Leia/Han Solo relationship in Star Wars, where they always deny the way they feel and humorously insult each other, yet you can tell they have feelings for one another in serious moments (I admit I'm not really a Star Wars fan but it was the best example I could think of). This insanely corny, teenage, drama/angst filled love story is just too out of character to believe in my opinion.
My guess would be that the writers decided to heavily pour on the angst in an attempt to boost ratings, and figured that everyone else would buy it just because it's Lois and Clark. Sadly, it looks like many people did. I know I will probably get attacked for this, but remember they're just my opinions. I'm just curious to see if others agree.
I think the indecision on S9 may be part of the problem. How far do they advance the relationship? If S8 is the end then they want to end the series with them together and if there is a S9 they have to back off a bit. Perhaps that's why Lana was brought back but she was contracted before they knew what would happen so it's hard to understand what is exactly going on.
susangail
01-24-2009, 03:33 PM
Lana was brought back to film five episodes that she missed last spring to make that movie. They've known since about this time last year.
Deana
01-24-2009, 03:43 PM
Will she consider him worth chasing? Hopefully not.
In fact, when she comes back, I hope that she is cured of her Clark attraction and he is stuck with his feelings for her. That is the next Clois storyline I want to see.
susangail
01-24-2009, 03:47 PM
Will she consider him worth chasing? Hopefully not.
In fact, when she comes back, I hope that she is cured of her Clark attraction and he is stuck with his feelings for her. That is the next Clois storyline I want to see.
Heh heh. I don't think she'll be cured, but she'll act as though she is.
geminis
01-24-2009, 04:00 PM
I can't believe no one has said this. Lois has ALWAYS chased Clark Kent; she just doesn't know that she is chasing him as Superman. This version proves that Lois loves Clark. Not just his bonus features.
Lana has repeatedly dumped Clark and he, Mr. Invulnerable to everything except his emotions, keeps coming back for more. He doesn't give up but he knows how to end a battle. He and Lana will show that they just aren't that into each other any more. No videos needed; it'll be in glorious high-definition. And the signs are subtle at times, but if you put on his glasses, you'll see that Clark is absolutely showing signs of interest in Lois.
Lois has shown signs of interest and Clark is still caught up in the past of Lana. When he realizes that she truly is his future, exactly like she told him at Lex and Lana's engagement party, she is going to be on the offensive and he's going to have to use everything he's got to win her back.
So: Lois chases Clark who chases her right back.
Ilutvar
01-24-2009, 04:12 PM
I agree that the Clark should get over Lana, but maybe the kiss was necessary. After all we didn't see what happened after the kiss. Maybe Lana will give Clark the boot and make him get over her.
Lets face it, Clark and Lana need to sort their **** out before Lois & Clark can happen. Maybe the beginning of next episode will give them that oppertunity....
susangail
01-24-2009, 04:42 PM
I can't believe no one has said this. Lois has ALWAYS chased Clark Kent; she just doesn't know that she is chasing him as Superman. This version proves that Lois loves Clark. Not just his bonus features.
Lana has repeatedly dumped Clark and he, Mr. Invulnerable to everything except his emotions, keeps coming back for more. He doesn't give up but he knows how to end a battle. He and Lana will show that they just aren't that into each other any more. No videos needed; it'll be in glorious high-definition. And the signs are subtle at times, but if you put on his glasses, you'll see that Clark is absolutely showing signs of interest in Lois.
Lois has shown signs of interest and Clark is still caught up in the past of Lana. When he realizes that she truly is his future, exactly like she told him at Lex and Lana's engagement party, she is going to be on the offensive and he's going to have to use everything he's got to win her back.
So: Lois chases Clark who chases her right back.
Yes, you can sift through the decades and find variations of Superman-chasing Lois all over the place. Until the 90s, though, she barely had room for Clark. Theirs was a tough professional rivalry as long ago as the 40s. And Clark was a different guy -- he was just as anxious to scoop Lois as she was to show him up. So fast-forward to SV: not much runway left to really set that dynamic up the way it needs to be.
galatians221
01-24-2009, 04:50 PM
Yes, you can sift through the decades and find variations of Superman-chasing Lois all over the place. Until the 90s, though, she barely had room for Clark. Theirs was a tough professional rivalry as long ago as the 40s. And Clark was a different guy -- he was just as anxious to scoop Lois as she was to show him up. So fast-forward to SV: not much runway left to really set that dynamic up the way it needs to be.
Which makes setbacks like Bulletproof all the more frustrating. They need to get moving on getting things right. Lana Lang was CK's high school sweetheart. That's over. It should have been over about three seasons ago. They've denigrated CK by going back to it over and over and over.
geminis
01-24-2009, 04:58 PM
Good, I hope so. I hope she doesn't give him the time of day when it comes to the change in their relationship. Clark needs to concentrate on other things anyway.
I don't want Clois at all anymore.
:eek:
Clark definitely needs to concentrate on some things *flying, cough, cough* but I think he is one of those very rare guys who can multitask like a woman.
But I'm sure you're probably right in that Lois will have a hard time giving Clark the time of day, in particular when it comes to their relationship. :lol: Clark is realizing that he likes challenges, including in relationships. Because he's always been interested in Lois (just not aware that he is); he's in for quite a chase.
galatians221
01-24-2009, 05:04 PM
I finally figured this out just now as I'm kind of dense about this stuff sometimes. It's clear to me that Lois has irritated Clark for so long that he can't get close to her even though he thinks she's attractive. The relationship is so different from the one with Lana in that Lana wanted to be close to him and he wanted to protect her and I suppose he wanted to marry her and saw her as his future. Lois on the other hand is great to look at but hard to be around. I was trying to figure out how CK could be wanting to dance with Lois and ready to kiss Lois and flustered a bit whenever he was around her and now I see that he's falling for her physically but doesn't like who she is. Why would anyone want to marry a competitive, abrasive, hard charging ball buster like Lois?
I think that Lois is sensing that and we see her deferring more to him. Even the cufflink scene where she brought up the "Farmer John" putdown was less abrasive and a bit more palatable. I suppose even in that Clark is noticing the change in Lois but isn't trusting it. Lois has her work cut out for her. That's why I think CK said "Lois is so.........Lois". He doesn't like her but he loves her. He was genuinely shocked when she said to the lie detector that she loved CK. He was grimacing and awaiting a jolt of electricity that never came.
This may be obvious for most on this board but it was news for me. He's attracted to part of her and repelled by the rest of her. Unfortunately, one has to take the whole package. What's interesting I suppose is that Lois is in love with him physically it would seem but not impressed with his being a farmboy and she is constantly goading him to get off the farm and do something with his life. Both are attracted to each other but Lois doesn't think CK has anything on the ball and he doesn't like her even though she's gorgeous. The question is; who will change first and how will they see through their perceived objections to the other. Meanwhile, we have to watch Clark and Lana for the zillionth time and wait for the story we all want to see.
galatians221
01-24-2009, 05:09 PM
:eek:
Clark definitely needs to concentrate on some things *flying, cough, cough* but I think he is one of those very rare guys who can multitask like a woman.
But I'm sure you're probably right in that Lois will have a hard time giving Clark the time of day, in particular when it comes to their relationship. :lol: Clark is realizing that he likes challenges, including in relationships. Because he's always been interested in Lois (just not aware that he is); he's in for quite a chase.
It could be very interesting when they return to the Planet if Lois is peeved at him and Chloe is as well. He may go back to bouncing the ball in the barn. He will have Lana gone, his Mom and Dad gone, Chloe is married and can't hang out with him anymore and Lex, Pete and everyone else is gone except Oliver and they aren't getting along well either. CK will feel isolated and yet he has to work with Lois. I still think she'll interview the Blur and he will have a disguise on and she won't know it's Clark. She'll become obsessed with the Blur just like she would be with Superman and may end up with contempt for Clark while she's obsessing. Meanwhile Clark is falling in love with her but not ready to reveal to her that he's the Blur. I can live with this. It's more like the mythos than this Lana nonsense.
zHeN_zHeN
01-24-2009, 05:20 PM
It could be very interesting when they return to the Planet if Lois is peeved at him and Chloe is as well. He may go back to bouncing the ball in the barn. He will have Lana gone, his Mom and Dad gone, Chloe is married and can't hang out with him anymore and Lex, Pete and everyone else is gone except Oliver and they aren't getting along well either. CK will feel isolated and yet he has to work with Lois. I still think she'll interview the Blur and he will have a disguise on and she won't know it's Clark. She'll become obsessed with the Blur just like she would be with Superman and may end up with contempt for Clark while she's obsessing. Meanwhile Clark is falling in love with her but not ready to reveal to her that he's the Blur. I can live with this. It's more like the mythos than this Lana nonsense.
God, no! Not Mopey Clark! That part of him should be dead and gone.
I hope Lois acts like nothing happened, ignores him and goes after "The Blur". I think that would be the best thing for her.
And, he should try to forget about his issues with women for a while and bury himself in his work... *ahem* ...like saving the world. That SHOULD be at the top of his "to do list". :\
obsessedwithsv
01-24-2009, 05:30 PM
Lois will not be chasing Clark when she returns. If anything I hope she doesn't give him the time of day and I hope Chloe's off with him too because he was a complete twonk in Bulletproof (um, who's Lois?).
She should concentrate on getting the red/blue blur story and he should be the one trying (subtly) to make it up to her. At the moment Clark doesn't deserve Lois.
galatians221
01-24-2009, 06:19 PM
God, no! Not Mopey Clark! That part of him should be dead and gone.
I hope Lois acts like nothing happened, ignores him and goes after "The Blur". I think that would be the best thing for her.
And, he should try to forget about his issues with women for a while and bury himself in his work... *ahem* ...like saving the world. That SHOULD be at the top of his "to do list". :\
Agreed. Let Lois have the hots for the Blur and continue to put down CK and that would be more closely aligned with the mythos. All we lack is tights and flights.
Timester
01-24-2009, 06:23 PM
Agreed. Let Lois have the hots for the Blur and continue to put down CK and that would be more closely aligned with the mythos. All we lack is tights and flights.
Which is exactly what I said how the story would go for the rest of the season, more than two months ago.
unfocused
01-24-2009, 06:33 PM
And just like Bulletproof, your post starts off fantastic, but the ending ruined it :p
JK, of course.
I really like the way you summed up their relationship. Such an iconic relationship throughout all these years shouldn't come so easily. That's why I love and respect Smallville's take on that iconic relationship because it's not easy, and it hasn't been quick. It's been a slow, sometimes painful, progress that needs the time and effort that such a relationship should sometimes have.
The Clana relationship was quick to happen. Those two were crazy for each other yet they didn't fit together well. There were only a few moments of happiness between them, and that isn't how a relationship should be, regardless how much you love the person. The Clois relationship is harder, it's going to be a test of proof. It needs to be, to be a believable Clark/Lois relationship in the Superman mythology. I wouldn't change their relationship at all. When they learn that they balance each other with their differences, when Clark learns that he can actually handle Lois, and when Lois learns that she has an equal in Clark, then that relationship will start to become the iconic relationship of Superman mythology.
borednow
01-24-2009, 06:35 PM
I sincerely doubt Lois will chase Clark. Her pride would get in the way.
llk6165
01-24-2009, 06:38 PM
I think it is unfortunate the show decided to portray her so brassy. Independent and assertive yes, but I think they went overboard and made her obnoxious instead. I think and hope they soften her character up but still keep the fire and passion. I think it will blend better with the actress and make for better Clois.
galatians221
01-24-2009, 08:20 PM
I think it is unfortunate the show decided to portray her so brassy. Independent and assertive yes, but I think they went overboard and made her obnoxious instead. I think and hope they soften her character up but still keep the fire and passion. I think it will blend better with the actress and make for better Clois.
I know it's no longer politically correct for a wife to be submissive to her husband any longer but Superman won't work with a bossy, nagging wife who competes with him and wants to be in charge. You hit the nail on the head in that they need to soften Lois up before CK will accept her and before she would be a suitable mate for the Man of Steel. She can still be strong, assertive and make her own mark on journalism and of course partner with him and be a strong helpmate but as it stands now she's too extreme.
I will say however that she does seem to be more respectful lately and let's hope that continues. It's clear to me that CK may be attractive to Lois' physical beauty but as he said......."Lois is too...........Lois".
Sweetie
01-24-2009, 08:33 PM
On the contrary,CK will have to chase after Lois.She decided to go to give him sometime to choose between Lana & her...When she'll return it won't be so easy.Trust me...CK will have to seduce her all over again...may be become a new person :D
galatians221
01-24-2009, 08:36 PM
On the contrary,CK will have to chase after Lois.She decided to go to gave him so time to choose between Lana & her...When she'll return it won't be so easy.Trust me...CK will have to seduce her all over again...may be become a new person :D
That's a good point. I never connected the fact that she took off to take care of Jimmy in part because of Lana being there. Good point.
Bizarrolover
01-24-2009, 08:51 PM
That's a good point. I never connected the fact that she took off to take care of Jimmy in part because of Lana being there. Good point.
ED commented about that on an interview. She said Bride was a rough moment for Lois, but she's strong and patient and knows when to put things on hold and wait for the right time.
I think Lois left to preserve her feelings and let Clark deal with his own issues with Lana. If he closes that chapter of his life, good, if he doesn't then she'll go on with her life.
I don't agree with your vision of Lois. She's not an easy person to deal with, she's bossy and rude, but she's not disrespectful or mean. Clark seems to like to be taunted by her and usually fires back. Also, I think she changed a lot this season, she's less 'rough around the edges' and more mature. I really like her interaction with Clark, he seems more alive when he's around her.
galatians221
01-24-2009, 10:16 PM
ED commented about that on an interview. She said Bride was a rough moment for Lois, but she's strong and patient and knows when to put things on hold and wait for the right time.
I think Lois left to preserve her feelings and let Clark deal with his own issues with Lana. If he closes that chapter of his life, good, if he doesn't then she'll go on with her life.
I don't agree with your vision of Lois. She's not an easy person to deal with, she's bossy and rude, but she's not disrespectful or mean. Clark seems to like to be taunted by her and usually fires back. Also, I think she changed a lot this season, she's less 'rough around the edges' and more mature. I really like her interaction with Clark, he seems more alive when he's around her.
I agree but my point is that it's not enough time yet for Clark to agree. He's seeing a difference in her and was shocked (or not shocked) when she told the lie detector that she did love Clark. He doesn't know how to deal with that because he's never thought of her that way. I certainly agree though that she has been softer and less obnoxious. The chemistry potential is there also. I think almost everyone wants to see it happen and almost everyone wants to see Lana leave forever. TPTB don't get it however and to save money they brought Kreuk back and really, really messed up.
geminis
01-24-2009, 10:21 PM
I finally figured this out just now as I'm kind of dense about this stuff sometimes. It's clear to me that Lois has irritated Clark for so long that he can't get close to her even though he thinks she's attractive. The relationship is so different from the one with Lana in that Lana wanted to be close to him and he wanted to protect her and I suppose he wanted to marry her and saw her as his future. Lois on the other hand is great to look at but hard to be around. I was trying to figure out how CK could be wanting to dance with Lois and ready to kiss Lois and flustered a bit whenever he was around her and now I see that he's falling for her physically but doesn't like who she is. Why would anyone want to marry a competitive, abrasive, hard charging ball buster like Lois?
I think that Lois is sensing that and we see her deferring more to him. Even the cufflink scene where she brought up the "Farmer John" putdown was less abrasive and a bit more palatable. I suppose even in that Clark is noticing the change in Lois but isn't trusting it. Lois has her work cut out for her. That's why I think CK said "Lois is so.........Lois". He doesn't like her but he loves her. He was genuinely shocked when she said to the lie detector that she loved CK. He was grimacing and awaiting a jolt of electricity that never came.
This may be obvious for most on this board but it was news for me. He's attracted to part of her and repelled by the rest of her. Unfortunately, one has to take the whole package. What's interesting I suppose is that Lois is in love with him physically it would seem but not impressed with his being a farmboy and she is constantly goading him to get off the farm and do something with his life. Both are attracted to each other but Lois doesn't think CK has anything on the ball and he doesn't like her even though she's gorgeous. The question is; who will change first and how will they see through their perceived objections to the other. Meanwhile, we have to watch Clark and Lana for the zillionth time and wait for the story we all want to see.
I understand your feeling about being dense and empathize too. Relationships can be very confusing. For me Lois and Clark are not confusing at all.
Lois irritated Clark in the beginning just as he irritated her but it was all a cover up. She treats him like a normal person and despite "being hard to be around", they still spend time together. I would definitely have to disagree that he doesn't like who she is; her brassy, abrasive personality mislead him but he soon learned that it is a front for a tender heart that has been let down by the people most important to her, in particular, her father. To answer your question: "Why would anyone want to marry a competitive, abrasive, hard charging ballbuster like Lois? Because she is a competitive, abrasive, hard charging ball buster named Lois. ;)
I would also say that Lois doesn't defer to Clark; she challenges him, she teases him, she calls him out when he's being Mr. Morality, she knows he has some sort of secret but doesn't hound him. Hmm, who hounded him? Let me think... She is very different from the Lana ideal he has had since the tender, naive age of 14. But she has shown that she is likeable: she takes risks, she means well, she is understanding and compassionate and loyal, she loves her family even though they are far from perfect. He's attracted to her and by no means is he repelled by any part of her, no siree Bob. He's just had the ideal of a perfect pink princess on a pedestal as the person he loves even though that's really not at all what he wants or needs. He'll find that he's been grasping at straws with Lana and she was never his ideal. What Clark needs is someone who can accept his differences as an endearing quirk, who understands him better than anyone, who loves family and is looking for a soul mate, someone he can protect but who will protect him right back.
Lois has a hard shell, true, but you'll find that she's a steel marshmallow. She may have dissed Clark here or there in the past (self protective measure for what she has admitted to liking: geeky farm boys, and in front of no less than Martha as well) but that's a front and even Jimmy recently teased her about complimenting Clark. And re Clark: remember Oliver saying something along the lines of hiding behind sarcasm when living with a beautiful woman (Lois). I would also hazard a guess and say Lana has goaded Clark about getting out there "to save the world" much more than Lois.
I would also say it's not Lois that has the work cut out, it's Clark. In Committed Lois had the drunken but honest speech about waiting for her soul mate. She has worried about missing him but she is also willing to commit to work until she recognizes her Jonathan.
And despite her feelings being caught up and hurt in a Cloisana triangle, she is willing to step aside if that is what Clark truly wants. And she again shows her dedication to family by going with Jimmy, someone she wasn't completely sold on as being right for Chloe.
I believe what Clark said actually said to Chloe was just "Lois is..." and he said it softly, with a gleam in his eye. The light is dawning that not only is he attracted to Lois, but that he likes her and loving her is not completely out of the question. Chloe finished his sentence for him "Lois" but it would have been very interesting to hear what Clark had to say. Unfortunately, he still is hung up on the Clana rollercoaster and can't quite believe that his youthful romance can come to an end but that bumpy ride is going to come to a screeching halt. Called by both of them equally.
And that will free Clark from the hang ups of his past to recognize Lois for who she is: a stand up, stand out woman who is committed to work and family and love. He won't be moping, bouncing balls in the loft, anymore, he's going to be too busy running after Lois.
People have a hard time getting past Lois' defenses to see her for who she is and Clark is going to have to take risks in his chase of Lois like nothing he's done before to break through them.
----- Added 17 Minutes later -----
ED commented about that on an interview. She said Bride was a rough moment for Lois, but she's strong and patient and knows when to put things on hold and wait for the right time.
I think Lois left to preserve her feelings and let Clark deal with his own issues with Lana. If he closes that chapter of his life, good, if he doesn't then she'll go on with her life.
I don't agree with your vision of Lois. She's not an easy person to deal with, she's bossy and rude, but she's not disrespectful or mean. Clark seems to like to be taunted by her and usually fires back. Also, I think she changed a lot this season, she's less 'rough around the edges' and more mature. I really like her interaction with Clark, he seems more alive when he's around her.
Precisely, Belen! (I love your name, by the way)
Lois is bossy and rude and brassy but that comes from not having a mother to guide her, an absentee father, growing up on military bases amongst mostly young men, and being expected to be mother and father to her younger sister when she was still a child herself. Clark hasn't had her kind of teasing, it's something new for him but he allows himself to dish it right back at her. And when she listed her rules of journalism, he didn't quote them perfectly, but he still quoted them. I think Clark and Lois even each other out; he smoothes out her rough edges and she allows him to relax and not be so serious.
Lois and Clark are still young; they're still figuring things out. Maturity comes with age and experience. They both desperately want to be wanted for themselves and they'll figure it out eventually. But it's going to be a great chase in the meantime.
galatians221
01-25-2009, 02:14 PM
I understand your feeling about being dense and empathize too. Relationships can be very confusing. For me Lois and Clark are not confusing at all.
Lois irritated Clark in the beginning just as he irritated her but it was all a cover up. She treats him like a normal person and despite "being hard to be around", they still spend time together. I would definitely have to disagree that he doesn't like who she is; her brassy, abrasive personality mislead him but he soon learned that it is a front for a tender heart that has been let down by the people most important to her, in particular, her father. To answer your question: "Why would anyone want to marry a competitive, abrasive, hard charging ballbuster like Lois? Because she is a competitive, abrasive, hard charging ball buster named Lois. ;)
I would also say that Lois doesn't defer to Clark; she challenges him, she teases him, she calls him out when he's being Mr. Morality, she knows he has some sort of secret but doesn't hound him. Hmm, who hounded him? Let me think... She is very different from the Lana ideal he has had since the tender, naive age of 14. But she has shown that she is likeable: she takes risks, she means well, she is understanding and compassionate and loyal, she loves her family even though they are far from perfect. He's attracted to her and by no means is he repelled by any part of her, no siree Bob. He's just had the ideal of a perfect pink princess on a pedestal as the person he loves even though that's really not at all what he wants or needs. He'll find that he's been grasping at straws with Lana and she was never his ideal. What Clark needs is someone who can accept his differences as an endearing quirk, who understands him better than anyone, who loves family and is looking for a soul mate, someone he can protect but who will protect him right back.
Lois has a hard shell, true, but you'll find that she's a steel marshmallow. She may have dissed Clark here or there in the past (self protective measure for what she has admitted to liking: geeky farm boys, and in front of no less than Martha as well) but that's a front and even Jimmy recently teased her about complimenting Clark. And re Clark: remember Oliver saying something along the lines of hiding behind sarcasm when living with a beautiful woman (Lois). I would also hazard a guess and say Lana has goaded Clark about getting out there "to save the world" much more than Lois.
I would also say it's not Lois that has the work cut out, it's Clark. In Committed Lois had the drunken but honest speech about waiting for her soul mate. She has worried about missing him but she is also willing to commit to work until she recognizes her Jonathan.
And despite her feelings being caught up and hurt in a Cloisana triangle, she is willing to step aside if that is what Clark truly wants. And she again shows her dedication to family by going with Jimmy, someone she wasn't completely sold on as being right for Chloe.
I believe what Clark said actually said to Chloe was just "Lois is..." and he said it softly, with a gleam in his eye. The light is dawning that not only is he attracted to Lois, but that he likes her and loving her is not completely out of the question. Chloe finished his sentence for him "Lois" but it would have been very interesting to hear what Clark had to say. Unfortunately, he still is hung up on the Clana rollercoaster and can't quite believe that his youthful romance can come to an end but that bumpy ride is going to come to a screeching halt. Called by both of them equally.
And that will free Clark from the hang ups of his past to recognize Lois for who she is: a stand up, stand out woman who is committed to work and family and love. He won't be moping, bouncing balls in the loft, anymore, he's going to be too busy running after Lois.
People have a hard time getting past Lois' defenses to see her for who she is and Clark is going to have to take risks in his chase of Lois like nothing he's done before to break through them.
----- Added 17 Minutes later -----
Precisely, Belen! (I love your name, by the way)
Lois is bossy and rude and brassy but that comes from not having a mother to guide her, an absentee father, growing up on military bases amongst mostly young men, and being expected to be mother and father to her younger sister when she was still a child herself. Clark hasn't had her kind of teasing, it's something new for him but he allows himself to dish it right back at her. And when she listed her rules of journalism, he didn't quote them perfectly, but he still quoted them. I think Clark and Lois even each other out; he smoothes out her rough edges and she allows him to relax and not be so serious.
Lois and Clark are still young; they're still figuring things out. Maturity comes with age and experience. They both desperately want to be wanted for themselves and they'll figure it out eventually. But it's going to be a great chase in the meantime.
Good points. I enjoyed reading your post and also want Clois to happen but am sick to death of Clana and very upset by the writing in the last few episodes. I hope all that you point out comes to fruition very soon.
jimmyolsenblues
01-25-2009, 02:25 PM
i like the old comics where lois loved superman but never noticed clark....hope they end the show in that directions...and yes I would love flights and tights.....
marikology
01-25-2009, 02:44 PM
I finally figured this out just now as I'm kind of dense about this stuff sometimes. It's clear to me that Lois has irritated Clark for so long that he can't get close to her even though he thinks she's attractive. [snip] He's attracted to part of her and repelled by the rest of her. Unfortunately, one has to take the whole package. What's interesting I suppose is that Lois is in love with him physically it would seem but not impressed with his being a farmboy and she is constantly goading him to get off the farm and do something with his life. Both are attracted to each other but Lois doesn't think CK has anything on the ball and he doesn't like her even though she's gorgeous. The question is; who will change first and how will they see through their perceived objections to the other. Meanwhile, we have to watch Clark and Lana for the zillionth time and wait for the story we all want to see.
I agree with your post except for that last line. I'm pretty sure "all" of us are not waiting to see Clois. I simply do not see how in this season, Clois will connect on any sort of emotional level in order to sell them as a couple. Clark's actions in Bulletproof show that his priority is making it work with Lana. Even if Clark chases after Lois when she comes back, up until now, they haven't sold his feelings on her (besides occasional physical attraction) as anything but ambiguous. Of course this could clearly change with 8.14 and 8.15, but IMO, it will be like he just said, "Oh, Lana's gone, let's try with Lois!"
They also haven't had time to show how Lois will get over her issues of being put first and "I can't date a hero," or how Clark will resolve whether or not he's going to enter a relationship with someone who doesn't know his secret. I just think these things need to be dealt with, they won't just go away the minute they decide to do Clois.
kyl-el
01-25-2009, 05:18 PM
As much as I like Lois and good, ol' Superman mythos, I do not want Clois to happen right now, especially after the debacle of latest episodes. Nevertheless, if they are taking this route, I hope that once Lois comes back, we won't see her drooling and all angsty over Clark.
I agree with you. It'd be nice to see the proud and independent Lois Lane from the past seasons who wouldn't let her guard down so easily. But before this can happen Clark needs to let go of Lana for good, which we know takes quit awhile for the BDA.
I could see a couple of the 5 stages of grief/loss in the past couple episodes while Lana has been back. Clark has been in denial because he wouldn't accept the fact that Lana has told him that things are different and that they couldn't be together. And then in this episode we see Clark trying to bargain with her...which would have been great if she would have shut him down...but no, we're back where we started.
As much as I dislike what the writers are doing to us by bringing her character back over and over, there is a little bit of justice. They've turned a character (Lana) who everyone seemed to like in the first season and they've made us hate her. And in the meantime they're take another character (Lois), who wasn't greatly accepted at first, and they made us like her instead...all while staying someone within the bounds of mythos. You've got to hand it to them for that. Now if they'd just realize that we're past Lana and ready for Lois...
galatians221
01-25-2009, 07:36 PM
I agree with you. It'd be nice to see the proud and independent Lois Lane from the past seasons who wouldn't let her guard down so easily. But before this can happen Clark needs to let go of Lana for good, which we know takes quit awhile for the BDA.
I could see a couple of the 5 stages of grief/loss in the past couple episodes while Lana has been back. Clark has been in denial because he wouldn't accept the fact that Lana has told him that things are different and that they couldn't be together. And then in this episode we see Clark trying to bargain with her...which would have been great if she would have shut him down...but no, we're back where we started.
As much as I dislike what the writers are doing to us by bringing her character back over and over, there is a little bit of justice. They've turned a character (Lana) who everyone seemed to like in the first season and they've made us hate her. And in the meantime they're take another character (Lois), who wasn't greatly accepted at first, and they made us like her instead...all while staying someone within the bounds of mythos. You've got to hand it to them for that. Now if they'd just realize that we're past Lana and ready for Lois...
Agreed. I also think that Chloe has run her course. Having her marry Jimmy eliminates her from being CK's sidekick and therefore she has no function any longer. I suppose Lois is still at his bedside while Chloe is working the computers for Clark who can't seem to figure things out without her. I hate that.
susangail
01-25-2009, 09:23 PM
Agreed. I also think that Chloe has run her course. Having her marry Jimmy eliminates her from being CK's sidekick and therefore she has no function any longer. I suppose Lois is still at his bedside while Chloe is working the computers for Clark who can't seem to figure things out without her. I hate that.
You bring up an interesting point: maybe Jimmy wakes up to Lois and wonders why the heck Chloe is off playing computer for Clark. But that's another thread...
galatians221
01-26-2009, 06:19 PM
You bring up an interesting point: maybe Jimmy wakes up to Lois and wonders why the heck Chloe is off playing computer for Clark. But that's another thread...
The relevance to the thread is that it's time for Lois to step up and Chloe and Lana to exit stage right. Lois needs to become his sidekick and he can't be running off meeting with Jimmy's wife. The writers probably screwed up here unless they're going to have the two divorce. Chloe's time is past. Lana's time is past, now it's time for Lois.
Sunny8
01-26-2009, 07:00 PM
Lois will have to chase CK; he's not interested
I hated what happened in Bulletproof and am sure that Chloe will be making some noise telling Lois to back off from Clark. There is no way the writers can have him smashing face with Lana and then just jumping into Lois' arms when she returns. Lois has confessed her feelings for Clark to Oliver but Clark seems uncomfortable with his feelings towards Lois. This is going to take a while so maybe that's a sign that there will be a S9. I'm so sick of Lana that I could just scream. (I just did).
I was upset about the kiss at the end too, but now I think it will work towards making Clark realize that he has feelings for Lois. After CK kissed Lana he looked like something was not quite right, like he didn't feel the spark like he used to. I think before Lana leaves he kisses her again. This second kiss will definitely show him that his feelings have changed towards Lana. He'll start thinking about it and realize that Lois has made more of an impression than he thought. Then he will start chasing her.
Let's face it. Unless they change Lois' character, I cannot see her running after a CK that she thinks has feelings for someone else. No, CK is going to have to do the running and he will have to convince her that he wants her and not Lana. Sigh...back on track. Whew! I thought PS3 lost it there for a sec. :)
Clana4Life
01-26-2009, 08:16 PM
I was upset about the kiss at the end too, but now I think it will work towards making Clark realize that he has feelings for Lois. After CK kissed Lana he looked like something was not quite right, like he didn't feel the spark like he used to. I think before Lana leaves he kisses her again. This second kiss will definitely show him that his feelings have changed towards Lana. He'll start thinking about it and realize that Lois has made more of an impression than he thought. Then he will start chasing her.
Let's face it. Unless they change Lois' character, I cannot see her running after a CK that she thinks has feelings for someone else. No, CK is going to have to do the running and he will have to convince her that he wants her and not Lana. Sigh...back on track. Whew! I thought PS3 lost it there for a sec. :)
Yes, and then the third kiss will be used to show that he just wanted to make sure one last time...you know for sure. Honestly, if it wasn't good the first time, why would he even attempt a second kiss?
tbird4u
01-26-2009, 08:20 PM
I guess we shall see... I hope they can end it with making both ships happy, I just dont think they can do that.. one has to go down, and since lois is still on the show and legendary I just see it going for the cloisers! But I am glad they are adhering to clana fan base.
SacredK
01-26-2009, 08:37 PM
In the end Clark will be the one that will be doing the 'chasing'. I can understand Clark feelings though. You can't just forget about your first love like that. Even when you think you have moved on, you see that person again, your head just spins.
Clana4Life
01-26-2009, 08:44 PM
I guess we shall see... I hope they can end it with making both ships happy, I just dont think they can do that.. one has to go down, and since lois is still on the show and legendary I just see it going for the cloisers! But I am glad they are adhering to clana fan base.
That was really sweet. As a Clana fan, I appreciate that. :)
Sunny8
01-26-2009, 08:57 PM
Yes, and then the third kiss will be used to show that he just wanted to make sure one last time...you know for sure. Honestly, if it wasn't good the first time, why would he even attempt a second kiss?
It doesn't mean the kiss wasn't good. It just means he did not feel like he felt before when they kissed in the past. The second kiss is to make sure that what he felt the first time--no sparks, maybe? or that old feeling?--was actually what he felt and wasn't just a fluke. If there is a third kiss it might be just a goodbye kiss.
tbird4u
01-26-2009, 09:01 PM
That was really sweet. As a Clana fan, I appreciate that. :)
Your welcome:D ! I really do hope they make the clana fans happy, I just wanna be happy too ya know ;)
tyson08
01-26-2009, 09:25 PM
I agree with you. It'd be nice to see the proud and independent Lois Lane from the past seasons who wouldn't let her guard down so easily. But before this can happen Clark needs to let go of Lana for good, which we know takes quit awhile for the BDA.
I agree, it would be fun to see Clark chasing after Lois as she has her guard up and being the Lois from earlier seasons. I loved her sarcastic comments from when she first appeared. :lol:
galatians221
01-27-2009, 08:31 AM
Yes, and then the third kiss will be used to show that he just wanted to make sure one last time...you know for sure. Honestly, if it wasn't good the first time, why would he even attempt a second kiss?
I can just see the previews for S9; "Will this be the last kiss between Clark and Lana?" They run that every other episode while they sit around the barn and make hay.
Isabel14
01-27-2009, 08:41 AM
I don't think Lois will chase Clark. She's not that kind of woman. I think that Clark WILL actually have to chase Lois. I'm pretty sure that when Lois will be back she will have her walls up, and doesn't want to hear from Clark.
Mickey_Bickey
01-27-2009, 08:46 AM
I don't think Lois will chase Clark. She's not that kind of woman. I think that Clark WILL actually have to chase Lois. I'm pretty sure that when Lois will be back she will have her walls up, and doesn't want to hear from Clark.
I agree with this. Lois Lane's character is too strong inside and out. She has too much pride. The tables will turn starting in Infamous. In the comics and movies Clark Kent was always the one chasing Lois, not the other way around, and the second half of the season will probably touch on this aspect I suspect.
zanaamen
01-27-2009, 09:58 AM
I allways thought that Lois deserve to be Superman’s wife but this show...
this show showed as how bad Lois’s are, I just dont ge it what did she won’t from Clark. she knew Clark will allways loved Lana and allways will, so what is her plan
"stolen Clark" or waiting to Clana‘s break up and make her move
marikology
01-27-2009, 10:05 AM
The relevance to the thread is that it's time for Lois to step up and Chloe and Lana to exit stage right. Lois needs to become his sidekick and he can't be running off meeting with Jimmy's wife. The writers probably screwed up here unless they're going to have the two divorce. Chloe's time is past. Lana's time is past, now it's time for Lois.
Chloe's time hasn't ever come. Every time she has a chance, she takes herself out of the race and goes for the sure, safe thing. Like me, she's waiting to see if and when Clark will ever get over Lana and isn't willing to put her heart on the line until she knows for sure. It's always ever been about his two types of girls.
I don't think Lois will chase Clark. She's not that kind of woman. I think that Clark WILL actually have to chase Lois. I'm pretty sure that when Lois will be back she will have her walls up, and doesn't want to hear from Clark.
I agree, which is why I don't understand their approach to Clois this year. IMO, Lois is acting OOC with the games and the pining. I would have liked it 100% better if Lois had just gone up and asked him out, like she took him out for a beer in Apocalypse. It would have been in character, mature, and a lot less cringe-worthy than "zip up my dress!" and "He's reading me wedding vows!"
I guess we shall see... I hope they can end it with making both ships happy, I just dont think they can do that.. one has to go down, and since lois is still on the show and legendary I just see it going for the cloisers! But I am glad they are adhering to clana fan base.
There's a third ship, which I believe will be happy. And before people start on the "just friends" mantra, I'll say-- Mulder and Scully were just friends too... until they wern't.;)
galatians221
01-27-2009, 11:38 AM
Chloe's time hasn't ever come. Every time she has a chance, she takes herself out of the race and goes for the sure, safe thing. Like me, she's waiting to see if and when Clark will ever get over Lana and isn't willing to put her heart on the line until she knows for sure. It's always ever been about his two types of girls.
I agree, which is why I don't understand their approach to Clois this year. IMO, Lois is acting OOC with the games and the pining. I would have liked it 100% better if Lois had just gone up and asked him out, like she took him out for a beer in Apocalypse. It would have been in character, mature, and a lot less cringe-worthy than "zip up my dress!" and "He's reading me wedding vows!"
There's a third ship, which I believe will be happy. And before people start on the "just friends" mantra, I'll say-- Mulder and Scully were just friends too... until they wern't.;)
I'm allowed a ship also...........burn down the barn!
The relevance to the thread is that it's time for Lois to step up and Chloe and Lana to exit stage right. Lois needs to become his sidekick and he can't be running off meeting with Jimmy's wife. The writers probably screwed up here unless they're going to have the two divorce. Chloe's time is past. Lana's time is past, now it's time for Lois.
I have to say it's these types of clois fans that really get my back up.
galatians221
01-28-2009, 08:05 AM
I have to say it's these types of clois fans that really get my back up.
The common theme is that we want Superman. Superman's love interest is Lois Lane; not Chloe, not Lana and high school is over. Smallville should have stopped the show after high school graduation if they weren't going to bring us up to the Man of Steel. They have perpetuated CK as an adolescent who wants to mope around the barn and feel his pain over Lana and it's sickening. Lana was a cheerleader in High School who got his attention. He meets Lois Lane at the DP and that's his love life interest. He's at the DP and is working with Lois Lane so what's up with the Lana stuff? That was over a long time ago but TPTB can't or won't advance the character of CK beyond being a conflicted, somewhat feeble character who has to run to Chloe for advice and help. It's way, way, way overdue for him to embrace his destiny. He is supposed to contain all of the knowledge of the 28 known galaxies and have a supercomputer mind that far outpaces anything that this world knows. He has to run to Chloe to decipher a prescription. Either show us Superman or shut down the series. Also, burn down the barn.
RedKRules
01-28-2009, 11:09 AM
The common theme is that we want Superman. Superman's love interest is Lois Lane; not Chloe, not Lana and high school is over. .
Oh if I were watching Superman movies, cartoons or even LnC .. I would agree with you .... but as long as the show is called Smallville anything can happen.
Clark Kent is still the farm boy, like Garth said ... he is nothing like the Man of Steel, not yet.
marikology
01-28-2009, 12:35 PM
TPTB can't or won't advance the character of CK beyond being a conflicted, somewhat feeble character who has to run to Chloe for advice and help. It's way, way, way overdue for him to embrace his destiny. He is supposed to contain all of the knowledge of the 28 known galaxies and have a supercomputer mind that far outpaces anything that this world knows. He has to run to Chloe to decipher a prescription.
This is somewhat OT, but I think you are selling both Clark and Chloe short. He doesn't *have* to run to Chloe, he chooses to. We saw him in action without Chloe in Apocalypse, Plastique, and Legion. Not to mention that Chloe has proven that she's better at information-gathering than any joe blow off the street, regardless of how smart they are. She hacks cell phone records, (Justice), police records, fakes identity (Kara and Bulletproof) researches obscure stuff, etc. Whether this is belieable or not is a moot point-- but it's definitely not something every one can do-- it's plot exposition and Chloe's role in the show. THIS Clark Kent doesn't have intergalactic knowledge, he's just a 21-year-old kid. He's NOT Superman, who is married to Lois Lane, so it's not a given that he's going to be romantically attached to Lois on the show.
Tommy'sGirl
01-28-2009, 12:50 PM
This is somewhat OT, but I think you are selling both Clark and Chloe short. He doesn't *have* to run to Chloe, he chooses to. We saw him in action without Chloe in Apocalypse, Plastique, and Legion. Not to mention that Chloe has proven that she's better at information-gathering than any joe blow off the street, regardless of how smart they are. She hacks cell phone records, (Justice), police records, fakes identity (Kara and Bulletproof) researches obscure stuff, etc. Whether this is belieable or not is a moot point-- but it's definitely not something every one can do-- it's plot exposition and Chloe's role in the show. THIS Clark Kent doesn't have intergalactic knowledge, he's just a 21-year-old kid. He's NOT Superman, who is married to Lois Lane, so it's not a given that he's going to be romantically attached to Lois on the show.
This is so true. They have said from the beginning, "no flights/no tights," and everyone who knows canon knows that Clark doesn't meet/fall in love with Lois until AFTER he is Supes flying around in the suit. Since this is Smallville, and they don't intend on showing us full-fledged Supes, then I don't see how people can get so upset about him not falling in love with Lois.
And not to get off track, but I heard that in in comic realm, Lois Lane is not her real name. (I don't read comics, I just heard this) Chlois, anyone? Could this be why the LoSH doesn't know a Chloe Sullivan? I would guess yes. But that's just my opinion.
MrZeppo
01-28-2009, 01:16 PM
Actually I'm not taking canon into consideration anymore. I mean, if you look at "Legion", it can bite you in the butt. The Legionaires were looking at their own canon, similiar to us, and we found out just because we know things are a certain way from the Superman mythos, it doesn't mean Smallville will turn out the same way.
So who know? Clark could very well fall in love with Lois before the suit. Heck, they may never really be a suit and that can be something that future generations just add to the mythos of Superman. Smallville seems to have a mythos all it's own, seperate yet mildly connected to the canon of comics. But just because the comics turn out a certain way that doesn't mean that the show has to follow the same formula.
galatians221
01-28-2009, 02:19 PM
This is somewhat OT, but I think you are selling both Clark and Chloe short. He doesn't *have* to run to Chloe, he chooses to. We saw him in action without Chloe in Apocalypse, Plastique, and Legion. Not to mention that Chloe has proven that she's better at information-gathering than any joe blow off the street, regardless of how smart they are. She hacks cell phone records, (Justice), police records, fakes identity (Kara and Bulletproof) researches obscure stuff, etc. Whether this is belieable or not is a moot point-- but it's definitely not something every one can do-- it's plot exposition and Chloe's role in the show. THIS Clark Kent doesn't have intergalactic knowledge, he's just a 21-year-old kid. He's NOT Superman, who is married to Lois Lane, so it's not a given that he's going to be romantically attached to Lois on the show.
Good points but the bigger point is that the show has run it's course. They tease us with CK dispatching Bizarro and saving a dad and his son from a raging torrent with his eyes evaporating the water and we see him dispatching a nuclear missile into outer space and then walking into the kitchen for dinner and then we get stuck with all of the stuff that he can't do. He doesn't have the knowledge, can't fly, needs Chloe and others and after eight seasons it's enough of a partial Superman. You just can't keep him running fast and limited in his abilities because he is about to tackle his most formidable opponent who in fact kills him at one point. They advance part of the story and keep CK hanging around the barn with Lana. I'm at the point where if they keep it up I'd just as soon they shut down the series. We see Clana finally getting together and working together at the DP and solving crimes in Metropolis and Lois intrigued by "the Blur" and then they interrupt the whole arc to go back to the barn. It's driving me nuts. Burn down the blasted barn and bring on the Man of Steel. Right now we have the Man of Aluminum. It just doesn't get it done.
unfocused
01-28-2009, 03:39 PM
Clois*
The common theme is that we want Superman. Superman's love interest is Lois Lane; not Chloe, not Lana and high school is over. Smallville should have stopped the show after high school graduation if they weren't going to bring us up to the Man of Steel. They have perpetuated CK as an adolescent who wants to mope around the barn and feel his pain over Lana and it's sickening. Lana was a cheerleader in High School who got his attention. He meets Lois Lane at the DP and that's his love life interest. He's at the DP and is working with Lois Lane so what's up with the Lana stuff? That was over a long time ago but TPTB can't or won't advance the character of CK beyond being a conflicted, somewhat feeble character who has to run to Chloe for advice and help. It's way, way, way overdue for him to embrace his destiny. He is supposed to contain all of the knowledge of the 28 known galaxies and have a supercomputer mind that far outpaces anything that this world knows. He has to run to Chloe to decipher a prescription. Either show us Superman or shut down the series. Also, burn down the barn.
So if Clark's being written like that getting rid of any number of characters won't make a difference, he'll just use someone else as a crutch. It's incredibly unfair for you to want to get rid of a popular and much loved character because Clark's being written in a certain way. The good thing about Smallville is that it's entirely different and not derivative on other shows/movies/comic books- if you want the same story that's been shown numerous times go and read a comic or watch one of the movies. What bemuses me half the time and annoys me the other half is that there are these mythos puritan posts that scream to remove anything (I mean characters ie Chloe) that goes against the mythos but don't have a problem with Lois being introduced so early into the Superman tale.
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