TV Ratings for "Bulletproof"

[Routh]

Up or down from Legion? Discuss the television ratings for Bulletproof here!

[bizzaroboy9]

i have a feeling it may go up just a tad bit. my guess is 4.33

[F..l]

I think,the ratings will go down :( ... I am guessting 4,2 milions ;)

[Wicked Lois]

Lana without the Legion????? Hum....... I hope the ratings are better then in Abyss

[latingirl]

Lana without the Legion????? Hum....... I hope the ratings are better then in Abyss

4.34 mm

[davidbrenton]

I say 4.05. I won't be surprised if it does worse. I will be surprised if it does better.

[marcella]

I think ratings will go down.

My bet is 4.08

[Clana Kent]

I hope all Clana, Lana and Chun-Li fans will tune in :D :lol: And Tess and Lex fans of course :) Both Tess and "Lex" will have a pretty nice role in this one!
Oh, and the Martian Manhunter too :) *not much of a fan of him*

Oh, and I think ratings will be around 4.10/4.20 million! :) Hopefully even higher :)

[JAMHEXXX]

3.87 million.

[marcella]

If it goes up, Lana has a lot of fans.

If it goes down,well,you know why it went down:o

[tyson08]

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say 4.18 million.

[Jaderoyale]

I have a horrible fear it may go down.
But if it does go down, i hope it doesn't go down to the ratings Abyss had.

[Kreukie]

1.0 million! :D

[ClarkyBoy14]

I say 4.07 million.

[blink2matrix]

last week Smallville was against lots of reruns. Because of that i think this week will go down but hopefully not by much (or at all).

[ClarkyBoy14]

Here is how last week's "Legion" ranked in total viewership on the CW:

1. Smallville - 4.30 million viewers
2. One Tree Hill - 3.06
3. Supernatural - 2.98
4. Gossip Girl - 2.85
5. 90210 - 2.18
6. The Game - 1.59
7. 13: Fear Is Real - 1.44
8. Everybody Hates Chris - 1.41
9. Mr. Mom (movie) - 1.27
10. Privileged - 1.12
11. 13: Fear Is Real (R) - 0.74
t. Jericho (R) - 0.74
13. 90210 (R) - 0.67

Here are the total viewer averages for the season thus far:

1. Smallville (11 episodes) - 4.17 million viewers
2. America's Next Top Model (12) - 4.04
3. Supernatural (11) - 3.29
4. Gossip Girl (15) - 3.16
5. One Tree Hill (14) - 3.10
t. 90210 (13) - 3.10
7. 13: Fear Is Real (2) - 1.92
8. Privileged (14) - 1.90
9. Stylista (8) - 1.72
10. Everybody Hates Chris (12) - 1.71
11. The Game (11) - 1.68

[alejandrita439]

yay :D smallville is in first place :)

[Clana Kent]

1.0 million! :D
Please don't be too optimistic :lol:

[6-Super-Man -5]

Not sure, 4.15 mil.

[alejandrita439]

mmm they will go down...

i say ...

4.13 :/

[Kreukie]

Please don't be too optimistic :lol:

Sorry! 0.01.

:p

[SparkleforSmallville]

I think it may go down from "Legion", so keeping with the S8 trend
I'm going to say 4.16 mil. and always hope for higher:)

[davidbrenton]

I hope it stays up despite my initial 4.05 prediction. It is an awesome episode (50 minutes into it.)

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

I would predict 3.8-4.1 mill...lets see crossing my fingers for better

[costas22]

I also say that we should be happy with a rating between 4.05 and 4.1

[FlashInSV]

I predict 3.7 mil?

[mistaguitarmasta]

I think we'll definitely see a spike because of the amazingness that was "Legion". Though the ratings for "Legion" were slightly lower than I had expected, it did reach #3 on the iTunes Top 10 TV Episodes, so it's clear that people are excited about it. Hopefully we will see at least 4.5 mil for "Bulletproof."

[Timester]

I think we'll definitely see a spike because of the amazingness that was "Legion". Though the ratings for "Legion" were slightly lower than I had expected, it did reach #3 on the iTunes Top 10 TV Episodes, so it's clear that people are excited about it. Hopefully we will see at least 4.5 mil for "Bulletproof."

Legion suffered because the two months break, all the other episodes that come after a break.

[JAMHEXXX]

Ratings are down

Smallville (#5: 2.5/ 4)

Supernatural (#5: 2.1/ 3).

Compare that to the fast nationals for Legion
Smallville on the CW (3.0/ 5 from 8-9 p.m.)

Supernatural on the CW (#5: 2.1/ 3)

Clanarama, Bones and Lois missing is going to kill Smallville's ratings.

[Tiggers]

Wow! Would that be in the range of 3.8 or something?

[marcella]

That's not good,but I expected a drop of ratings

[costas22]

The rating will definitely drop.But rather than blame it on those who were part of the episode,it makes more sense to blame it on the absence of several cast members.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Ratings are down

Smallville (#5: 2.5/ 4)

Supernatural (#5: 2.1/ 3).

Compare that to the fast nationals for Legion
Smallville on the CW (3.0/ 5 from 8-9 p.m.)

Supernatural on the CW (#5: 2.1/ 3)

Clanarama, Bones and Lois missing is going to kill Smallville's ratings.

Uh-oh. That's not good.

ITA with your last statement. Can't blame Bones being there on it's own, all Bones does is give viewers the OPTION to switch channels.

[BadToad]

And I'm sad that I can't feel sad about this. :\ Well played PS3. Well played :rolleyes:

[Fallen One]

My avatar is the answer to why the ratings fell.

[myankskent]

I really think that the drop has more to do with the fact that this episode didn't continue the Doomsday plot and didn't have the Legion to draw in some new viewers. "Legion" had a lot of things working for it to get some good ratings.

[KryptonStones]

Man, I haven't watched a single episode of SV (except for Legion) since the return of Lana. My disdain for the woman is too epic.

[Timester]

I really think that the drop has more to do with the fact that this episode didn't continue the Doomsday plot and didn't have the Legion to draw in some new viewers. "Legion" had a lot of things working for it to get some good ratings.

Yeah. Legion was the surprise, not Bulletproof.

If anything, the ratings shows that people watched Legion because of Legion. The hype was around Legion, after all.

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Man, I haven't watched a single episode of SV (except for Legion) since the return of Lana. My disdain for the woman is too epic.

Not even Bride? Because Lana has been on 3 episodes only. :p

[costas22]

Personally,i always wonder if a Smallville fan will miss an episode on purpose because of Lana or Clana.I really hope that's not the case.

[davidbrenton]

Wahoo. I had guessed 4.05 but said I would NOT be surprised it was lower. I honestly am happy the ratings are lower so they can recognize what a collasol mistake bringing Lana back was. The part that really is a shame is that it was a great episode.

The Lana just should have been switched with Lois.

[Timester]

What this prove, once and for all, is that Lana Lang does NOT bring ratings.

I'm waiting for the Lana fans to twist the numbers again.

[davidbrenton]

[QUOTE=Timester;4369589]Yeah. Legion was the surprise, not Bulletproof.

If anything, the ratings shows that people watched Legion because of Legion. The hype was around Legion, after all.

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Actually Timester, I remember you saying ratings won't drop until Power. You were not on this "Just Legion" kick a few weeks ago.

[JAMHEXXX]

Personally,i always wonder if a Smallville fan will miss an episode on purpose because of Lana or Clana.I really hope that's not the case.

Well, Clana ruined a perfectly good episode last night. So, why wouldn't casual fans tune out if they don't like Lana/Clana.

I have no plans to watch next week. I get physically ill watching this Lana lovefest these writers are shoving down my throat.

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[QUOTE=Timester;4369589]Yeah. Legion was the surprise, not Bulletproof.

If anything, the ratings shows that people watched Legion because of Legion. The hype was around Legion, after all.

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Actually Timester, I remember you saying ratings won't drop until Power. You were not on this "Just Legion" kick a few weeks ago.

Yeah, I do remember that too. You were saying Clark/Superman will keep the ratings up and that Lois/Clois being gone would not bring the ratings down.

[Timester]

Actually Timester, I remember you saying ratings won't drop until Power. You were not on this "Just Legion" kick a few weeks ago.

Because normally and logically, the previous episodes affect the ratings of upcoming episodes. But now we know that Legion was an exception. The comic fans only turned on to see Legion.

[Kreukie]

What this prove, once and for all, is that Lana Lang does NOT bring ratings.

I'm waiting for the Lana fans to twist the numbers again.

Sorry, but I read more of "Lana brings the ratings down" on these forums as compared to "Lana brings the ratings up."

Whenever I responded to these thread I try to prove that there's been a lot of episodes that featured Lana and Clana that have done very well in the ratings and episodes that had hardly any that had bad ratings.

But if it helps people sleep at night thinking the ratings go down on Smallville because of Clana/Lana, then nothing that can disprove that will be taken to account.

Lana hasn't been on this series the first half of this season and the ratings for this series weren't better than season 6 or 7 or 5 or 4 or 3 or 2 or 1.

Nor did they go up every episode, they're been ups and down with the numbers.

Yet, if that can be accepted even though there's been no Lana/Clana in those episodes, then why once Lana/Clana enter the picture the blame game begins with those two elements if an episode rating goes down? :lol:

I can see if the ratings go up next week and the week after that, the praises will be put on anyone but Clana/Lana, it's just how it's always been! :lol:

[Timester]

Yeah, I do remember that too. You were saying Clark/Superman will keep the ratings up and that Lois/Clois being gone would not bring the ratings down.

I never, ever, related Clois to ratings. It was you guys, not me.

[costas22]

Well, Clana ruined a perfectly good episode last night. So, why wouldn't casual fans tune out if they don't like Lana/Clana

You are right in that sense.However the show primarily is about Clark becoming Superman.And trust me i am with you when it comes to Lana.All we can do is watch every episode and remember everything that was worth our time.Back at season 6,i felt the same way you did after every Lexana scene.What can i say?This kind of romantic overdose is the price we have to pay for the show to still be on the air.

[davidbrenton]

I never, ever, related Clois to ratings. It was you guys, not me.

Personally, I think a large part of the season's momentum in ratings was due to Clois. I think they deserve more weight then they get credit for. Next weeks number will go down even further. And they'll begin rising again with Infamous. But, the timing sucks, and I hope they already have S9 in the bag. I also hope the general audience didn't feel like suckers for coming back just to receive a bate & switch marketing tactic. It's really a cruel joke to be played on audiences.

--L&C original show did something similar with their wedding episode and ratings plummeted when they realized Clark married a clone. I really liked that plot though, but it's besides my point.

[Timester]

Sorry, but I read more of "Lana brings the ratings down" on these forums then "Lana brings the rattings up."

What you read more or less doesn't matter, what matters is that there ARE Lana = ratings posts. One that were just debunked.


Whenever I responded to these thread is to prove that there's been a lot of episodes that featured Lana and Clana that have done very well in the ratings and episodes that had hardly any that brought the ratings down.

But if you helps people sleep at night thinking the ratings go down on Smallville because of Clana/Lana, then nothing that can disprove that will be taken to account.

Lana hasn't been on this series the first half of this season and the ratings for this series weren't better than season 6 or 7 or 5 or 4 or 2 or 3.

Nor did they go up every episode, they're been a lot up and down with the numbers.

Yet, if that can be accepted even though there was no Lana/Clana in those episodes, why is the blame quickly put on Lana/Clana for the drop in this episode?

And if the ratings go up next week and the week after that, I can see the praises being put on anyone but Clana/Lana. It's just how it's always been, since season two when people start over analyzing the ratings. :lol:

But that's the point I'm trying to make. Having or not having this or other character is not what affects.

Lets be honest about Bulletproof. Who knew, outside the spoilers group, that Dan Turpin would be here? Who knew that Clark would infiltrate the cops? Bulletproof promotion sucked balls. The only promotion we got was Clark Kent being arrested for Jones' shooting.

[myankskent]

I really don't see the point in blaming a relationship or character on this decline because then I could very easily turn everything around and say that Clark's undercover story was the reason for the decline, the A plot in this episode and something that was mentioned in the official description. Would that make sense? Not IMO. For this episode, it just can't be compared to "Legion". "Legion" had Doomsday, Brainiac and the LOSH. It also had a lot of promotion with interviews and magazine articles written about it. You can't expect an episode like "Bulletproof" to match that, I don't care how many members of the cast are in the episode or what relationship the episode was going to feature. JMHO.

[Kreukie]

Interesting:

Early Ratings


The CW capped off the evening with its combination of Smallville (#5: 2.5/ 4), which seems to have perked up in recent weeks, and the compatible Supernatural (#5: 2.1/ 3).

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_display/community/programming-insider/newsletters/e3i8e1f30d51da4f8e8ad1a63fd4a7a1649

[Mickey_Bickey]

Well apparently character/storyline regression isn't the only thing Lana-Fu is influencing here!

Looks like we have ratings regression as well.

[JAMHEXXX]

I really don't see the point in blaming a relationship or character on this decline because then I could very easily turn everything around and say that Clark's undercover story was the reason for the decline, the A plot in this episode and something that was mentioned in the official description. Would that make sense? Not IMO. For this episode, it just can't be compared to "Legion". "Legion" had Doomsday, Brainiac and the LOSH. It also had a lot of promotion with interviews and magazine articles written about it. You can't expect an episode like "Bulletproof" to match that, I don't care how many members of the cast are in the episode or what relationship the episode was going to feature.

Really, so you are saying that Bloodline had the promotion that Legion did?

Well it didn't and it had better ratings.

[Mickey_Bickey]

What this prove, once and for all, is that Lana Lang does NOT bring ratings.

I'm waiting for the Lana fans to twist the numbers again.

Just as you predicted, Bruno!:lol:

[Timester]

I really don't see the point in blaming a relationship or character on this decline because then I could very easily turn everything around and say that Clark's undercover story was the reason for the decline, the A plot in this episode and something that was mentioned in the official description. Would that make sense? Not IMO. For this episode, it just can't be compared to "Legion". "Legion" had Doomsday, Brainiac and the LOSH. It also had a lot of promotion with interviews and magazine articles written about it. You can't expect an episode like "Bulletproof" to match that, I don't care how many members of the cast are in the episode or what relationship the episode was going to feature. JMHO.

That's why I always feared about the upcoming Power. I mean, only today I figured out what it might be about Lex's Power Armor, and even that it had to come from hints from Bulletproof.

[davidbrenton]

Okay, does anyone know what a 2.5/4 is in millions of viewers?

[JAMHEXXX]

I never, ever, related Clois to ratings. It was you guys, not me.

HHHMMMM.....


Quote:
Originally Posted by JAMHEXXX View Post
All is not lost, but I do think the departure of Lois for the first Four episodes after the hiatus as well as the hiatus itself is going to kill the rest of the season.


Not really. The show have proven that all these years as been ALL ABOUT CLARK. Clark = ratings, ratings = Clark.

I know it, I have been on these ratings thread for years now.

[myankskent]

Really, so you are saying that Bloodline had the promotion that Legion did?

Well it didn't and it had better ratings.

"Bloodline" aired during the first half of the season. The ratings on Smallville always decrease in the second half. That's just the way it is. IMO, that's why "Legion" didn't do as well, that and the fact that it was the first episode right out of the gate after a hiatus.

[Timester]

HHHMMMM.....

Where do I talk about Clois on that quote? :confused:

[davidbrenton]

That's why I always feared about the upcoming Power. I mean, only today I figured out what it might be about Lex's Power Armor, and even that it had to come from hints from Bulletproof.

That would be cool. So, they can have Lex on the show in Armor, thus not needing the actor?

[costas22]

Matt is right.For me the general structure of the season is unstable and that's what's causing these ratings.What is a viewer supposed to do when on one week he sees the LOS,Brainiac and Doomsday and the next week they are all gone?How is a viewer supposed to care about Tess when he sees her once every 3 or 4 episodes?Truth be told,Smallville raises it's ratings only through guest stars or new DC characters.That however is a weekly solution and doesn't help longterm.It's not Lana's fault or Lois' absence.Smallville had big ratings in the past with Lana present and with Lois absent.You know how?Same characters and same storylines every week.

[Timester]

Okay, does anyone know what a 2.5/4 is in millions of viewers?

3.8-4 million.

[Kreukie]

Let me ask this, if the rating is bad why did media week say this:

The CW capped off the evening with its combination of Smallville (#5: 2.5/ 4), which seems to have perked up in recent weeks, and the compatible Supernatural (#5: 2.1/ 3).

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_...1a63fd4a7a1649

What does that mean, sorry if I take their word over some of your posts!

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Does anyone have the updated graph from last week?

[Timester]

Let me ask this, if the rating is bad why did media week say this:

The CW capped off the evening with its combination of Smallville (#5: 2.5/ 4), which seems to have perked up in recent weeks, and the compatible Supernatural (#5: 2.1/ 3).

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_...1a63fd4a7a1649

What does that mean, sorry if I take their word over some of your posts!

Means that someone sucks at math. 2.5/4 < 3.0/5

[davidbrenton]

Let me ask this, if the rating is bad why did media week say this:

The CW capped off the evening with its combination of Smallville (#5: 2.5/ 4), which seems to have perked up in recent weeks, and the compatible Supernatural (#5: 2.1/ 3).

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_...1a63fd4a7a1649

^What does that mean, sorry but I'll take their word over some of your posts! :lol:

If it got 3.8-4.0, it said that because it's mis-informed. You can't believe all the add-hoc things people write after the ratings. This stands to be the second lowest rated episode of the season.

[myankskent]

Let me ask this, if the rating is bad why did media week say this:


I wouldn't trust what media week says. It took them weeks to come to the conclusion that the ratings on Smallville were starting to increase during the first run of episodes. They kept calling Smallville an aging show, like it wasn't doing well, even though it continually posted the best ratings out of all CW shows and actually competed with some of the garbage that FOX put out in the 8pm hour.

[JAMHEXXX]

Does anyone have the updated graph from last week?



http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3409/3208076861_202fabba65_o.jpg

[hero`s passion]

They`ve got, what they deserved...Lana- Fu sucks...she always destroys the show, bringing her back and moreover without ED in the episode was A HUGE mistake!!!!

[Diego*Chloe]

Woooow people really hate Lana/Clana.....how lame!!

Poor Allison i fear for "Power" D:

[DGirlLois4Clark]

Let me ask this, if the rating is bad why did media week say this:

The CW capped off the evening with its combination of Smallville (#5: 2.5/ 4), which seems to have perked up in recent weeks, and the compatible Supernatural (#5: 2.1/ 3).

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_...1a63fd4a7a1649

What does that mean, sorry if I take their word over some of your posts!

Because repeats have been on in recent weeks.

[Kreukie]

I wouldn't trust what media week says. It took them weeks to come to the conclusion that the ratings on Smallville were starting to increase during the first run of episodes. They kept calling Smallville an aging show, like it wasn't doing well, even though it continually posted the best ratings out of all CW shows and actually competed with some of the garbage that FOX put out in the 8pm hour.

I have to agree with them that Smallville is an aging show and really, doing better than all the CW shows isn't impressive, have you seen the garbage TheCW airs these days?

Nothing like TheWB, at least back then Smallville was going up against shows that were worth watching.

But if what you guys say that media week is wrong, then I'll wait for Craig's take on the ratings if he posts anything up.

I just hate seeing the blame being put on Lana/Clana even though the ratings for this season haven't been all that great to begin with and the ratings around this time always go down, been like that every season since season 1.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3409/3208076861_202fabba65_o.jpg

Thanks for this JAMHEXXX! So that puts Bulletproof above Abyss but possibly below Toxic? I wonder of the Live+ will show a larger gap...

I probably shouldn't be as fascinated by this as I am :p

[Kreukie]

They`ve got, what they deserved...Lana- Fu sucks...she always destroys the show, bringing her back and moreover without ED in the episode was A HUGE mistake!!!!

Do you realize the lowest episode of this season is one where there was no Lana and there was Lois and it was shown during a time when ratings are normally high? :confused:

Who got the blame for Abyss?

[JAMHEXXX]

Because repeats have been on in recent weeks.

No, Marc just compares the shows to how it did on this week this year compared to last year.


Well, Smallville was on reruns this time last year, so Smallville looks like its perking up.

[DGirlLois4Clark]

I just hate seeing the blame being put on Lana/Clana even though the ratings for this season haven't been all that great to begin with and the ratings around this time always go down, been like that every season since season 1.

What that tells me is Clana brings down the ratings. Season 7 was full of it and it is the worst season IMO.
Clana was on for 7 years and as the years progressed, people got sick of the rollercoster..hence the continual ratings drop.lol

[Mickey_Bickey]

They`ve got, what they deserved...Lana- Fu sucks...she always destroys the show, bringing her back and moreover without ED in the episode was A HUGE mistake!!!!

Maybe ratings would be better if they introduced Lana-Fu-Fang instead of Lana-Fu:lol:


http://www.smallvillededication.com/gallery/albums/93/thirst573.jpg

:rotfl:

[DGirlLois4Clark]

Do you realize the lowest episode of this season is one where there was no Lana and there was Lois and it was shown during a time when ratings are normally high? :confused:

Who got the blame for Abyss?

Last time I checked, Lois wasnt in Abyss

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Maybe ratings would be better if they introduced Lana-Fu-Fang instead of Lana-Fu:lol:


http://www.smallvillededication.com/gallery/albums/93/thirst573.jpg

:rotfl:

:rotfl:

[JAMHEXXX]

Do you realize the lowest episode of this season is one where there was no Lana and there was Lois and it was shown during a time when ratings are normally high? :confused:

Who got the blame for Abyss?

Lois wasn't in Abyss.:confused:

[tyson08]

2.5/4 is about 4 million, I believe.

[Kreukie]

What that tells me is Clana brings down the ratings. Season 7 was full of it and it is the worst season IMO.
Clana was on for 7 years and as the years progressed, people got sick of the rollercoster..hence the continual ratings drop.lol

That makes no sense, because the ratings for this season haven't been better. So if people really tuned out for Clana and tune in for Clois or whatever, wouldn't had the first half of this season been better then season 7?

Why haven't the ratings picked up for Smallville if what you say is true?

Once Lana leaves and the ratings are still low, will Lana still be the blame for it? I believe so, it's just how it's always been. :lol:

[myankskent]

But if what you guy say is that media week is wrong, then I'll wait for Craig's take on the ratings if he posts anything up.


The numbers don't lie. Those fast nationals are lower than they have been for recent episodes. The only question is...will the final numbers increase slightly or decrease slightly?



I just hate seeing the blame being put on Lana/Clana even though the ratings for this season haven't been all that great to begin with and the ratings around this time always go down, been like that every season since season 1.

I can totally understand that you hate the blame being put on Lana/Clana for the ratings, but I'm sure there are others who hate all of the arguments about how Lana/Clana means great ratings. This works both ways here and since both sides continue with their arguments, these debates will likely never end, IMO.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Who got the blame for Abyss?

Abyss that Lois wasn't in - that Abyss?

[Estro-gen X]

interesting that the highest rated of the the season so far are
1)Bloodline- The return of Supergirl
2)Odyssey- The Justice League
3)Identity- Which had a man in flowing red cape and blue leather in the trailer
4)Legion- The Legion of Superheroes

It will be interesting to see Hex's numbers. To me it doesn't look like shipping has much effect at all.

[Kreukie]

Lois wasn't in Abyss.:confused:

I didn't see the episode, but just read the summary on the main page and it had Erica's name. :confused:

[hero`s passion]

Do you realize the lowest episode of this season is one where there was no Lana and there was Lois and it was shown during a time when ratings are normally high? :confused:

Who got the blame for Abyss?
Have you ever seen Abyss? I guess not, there was NO Lois in this episode!!!...And the epi was not very good, but not the worst...and there was a football match, as fdar as I know...

[Timester]

Do you realize the lowest episode of this season is one where there was no Lana and there was Lois and it was shown during a time when ratings are normally high? :confused:

Who got the blame for Abyss?

The lack of NY viewers. It's on the Abyss rating thread.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Abyss was all about Chloe and Clark.

Lois I don't believe was even mentioned in it.

[DGirlLois4Clark]

I didn't see the episode, but just read the summary on the main page and it had Erica's name. :confused:

So does every episode. I know people that have given up altogether on the show because of the dreadful season 7. Season 8 or no season 8. Maybe once we know Lana is gone for good, we can go back to where we left off.

2 Episodes and counting..I CANT WAIT:D

[celita]

Personally,i always wonder if a Smallville fan will miss an episode on purpose because of Lana or Clana.I really hope that's not the case.


Well I was a Charmed fan for six years, I started to dislike Phoebe in season 3 but I loved the others that much that I remained watching the show another 3 seasons. But It came a day when enjoying the rest of the cast wasn't worthy enough because I disliked Phoebe that much that she ruined the fun for me. So I missed two whole seasons just because of a character I couldn't stand. It's a TV-show, I watch it if they give me something worthy, torturing myself with crap It's not something I must to do, it's tptb fault if they didn't make their viewers happy, because... that's their job!, they create a product (in this case a TV-show and I'm just a costumer they have to satisfice if they want me watching it and wasting my money in their DVD sets). Would you think that I'm not a true fan or a loyal costumer of a restaurant if I don't want to eat there anymore because I found a flee in my soap?

I feel the same about clana (I don't mind that much about Lana, but the way Clark's behave when she is arround make me hate Clark which I don't stand since I grew up loving Clark Kent/Superman). The only reason why I'm still watching this series (after the big crap that was season 7th) is because of the fun I get with my "fandom mates" and because of Lois and Jimmy (this year I like Tess and Davis too, and I like Ollie most of the time, Chloe?... it depens of the episode but I like her more this season).

Right now I don't think I'll be watching "Power", I don't care about Lana being experimented, she is a person whom tortured people and she didn't show regret not even once, so... she is not a victim in my book and PS3 are wasting their time trying to make me see her like that. Lana wanted to change, that's true, but why?, did she realize that what she did was wrong? nope, she wanted to change so she would't lose Clark. She isn't a saint, she is a grew character just like Lionel was, but Lionel were reckoned as the villain he was.

About "Power" all I feel is sorry about poor Allison Mack whom was given what it seems like the stinker of the season to her directorial debut.


About "Bulletproof" ratings... they are not good, I just hope it gets more than 4 millions at least. I can't say I'm surprised really.

[Kreukie]

I can totally understand that you hate the blame being put on Lana/Clana for the ratings, but I'm sure there are others who hate all of the arguments about how Lana/Clana means great ratings. This works both ways here and since both sides continue with their arguments, these debates will likely never end, IMO.

Hardly, if you looked around you'll see a bunch of Lois/Clois brings in ratings then Lana/Clana. Donno where some of you get that Lana/Clana fans come in here saying that Lana/Clana bring ratings.

Only if you guys lurk over at Sweet. :eek::lol:

[JAMHEXXX]

Bulletproof numbers:

Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.79 million; A18-49: #5, 1.6/ 4)

Lana/Clana to the rescue!!!!!!!!

[jimmyolsenblues]

The CW capped off the evening with its combination of Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.79 million; A18-49: #5, 1.6/ 4), which seems to have perked up in recent weeks, and the compatible Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 3.04 million; A18-49: #5, 1.3/ 3).

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/328103581

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5th place is very very disappointing to me.....

[hero`s passion]

Maybe ratings would be better if they introduced Lana-Fu-Fang instead of Lana-Fu:lol:


http://www.smallvillededication.com/gallery/albums/93/thirst573.jpg

:rotfl:
:rotfl::lol: maybe)))))).....and the 7th season was the worst...I agree with that))))..I feel distressed that they spoiles such a good begining of the 8th season...fools...

[myankskent]

Hardly, if you looked around you'll see a bunch of Lois/Clois brings in ratings then Lana/Clana. Donno where some of you get that Lana/Clana fans come in here saying that Lana/Clana bring ratings.

Only if you guys lurk over at Sweet. :eek::lol:

Yeah, this season Clois has been talked about in relation to the show's ratings. I've been on this site for a long time and I know that in past seasons, there was plenty of talk about how Clana brought in the ratings, so let's not make it like Clana has never been talked about ever in a positive manner as far as the ratings on Smallville are concerned.

[DGirlLois4Clark]

Well, well well..What do we have here. All hail Lana...the wonderful princess that:rolleyes:

[Timester]

Right now I don't think I'll be watching "Power", I don't care about Lana being experimented, she it's a person whom tortured people and she didn't show regret not even once, so... she is not a victim in my book and PS3 are wasting their time trying to make me see her like that. Lana wanted to change, that's true, but why?, did she realize that what she did was wrong? nope, she wanted to change so she would't lose Clark. She isn't a saint, she is a grew character just like Lionel was, but Lionel were reckoned as the villain he was.

This is the reason why I'm concerned about Power. They are promoting it so badly.

[celita]

Let me ask this, if the rating is bad why did media week say this:

The CW capped off the evening with its combination of Smallville (#5: 2.5/ 4), which seems to have perked up in recent weeks, and the compatible Supernatural (#5: 2.1/ 3).

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_...1a63fd4a7a1649

What does that mean, sorry if I take their word over some of your posts!

Let me explain this. What Marc Bernan does is compare this week's rating with the rating the show had the same week last year, it means for instance:

(this week - the same week but a year before)/the same week but a year before

I don't like this ratio he uses to say who made a good night and who didn't because for instance, last year by this time smallville aired a repeat, so of course a new episode did so better than a repeat!

[Timester]

Guess I got it right, 3.8-4 millions.

[myankskent]

This is the reason why I'm concerned about Power. They are promoting it so badly.

Yeah, they didn't even give a trailer for it. The trailer that they are using seems to be a combination of "Bulletproof", "Power" and "Requiem". Why can't they have a separate trailer for each? Very lazy on the part of the CW.

[joesmallville]

As I had anticipated. Going up against "Bones" is going to have a negative effect on the ratings from now on.

[tyson08]

Maybe in some lucky way, it can improve for the final ratings and hit 4 million.

[BadToad]

Actually, I do expect what happens during these Lana eps to impact the ratings, and general interest, for SV for the rest of the season. Its a momentum killer. It shifts focus back on a character thats been gone for a while (without much evidence of it hurting the ratings). It shifts focus off characters that were in the beginning of the season. Couple that with hiatus interruptions, and the spotty cast appearances in the back half of the season, and I wouldn't be surprised if we saw our last 4m with Legion. JMO

[JAMHEXXX]

Maybe in some lucky way, it can improve for the final ratings and hit 4 million.


No way they go up that much.

[costas22]

You just about got ir right Timester.A bad rating that will no doubt kick off a fresh debate.I was really wondering what would have happened had this episode fetaured Lois instead of Lana.I don't think it would have made that big a difference.I think the ratings will pick up in Infamous but not because of Lois.They will rise because it will be an episode featuring Clark revealing his secret to the world.Captivating stories bring you ratings,not characters.

[Lnc4Ever]

Wow. We didn't even get 4 million?

[celita]

Yeah, they didn't even give a trailer for it. The trailer that they are using seems to be a combination of "Bulletproof", "Power" and "Requiem". Why can't they have a separate trailer for each? Very lazy on the part of the CW.

Honestly?, I think that they don't want to show how bad will that episode be. They need 20 seconds of apelling items to show in the trailer and "Lana is a victim" it's even worst that the tipical "Lana has a stalker" because it comes with "It's my fault Clark" :(

[Kreukie]

Bulletproof numbers:

Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.79 million; A18-49: #5, 1.6/ 4)

WOW do you guys realize this is the only episode in season 7 that has done better then an episode from last season?

These are Fracture's numbers:

CW's Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.67 million; A18-49: #4, 1.5/ 4).

It was an Lois episode, with no Lana or Clana from what I remember.


Lana/Clana to the rescue!!!!!!!!

Seems like it.

[Timester]

WOW do you guys realize this is the only episode in season 7 that has done better then an episode from last season?

These are Fracture's numbers:

[i]CW's Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.67 million; A18-49: #4, 1.5/ 4). [i]

It was an Lois episode, with no Lana or Clana.

Seems like it.

What? Fracture was a Lex episode.

But let the twisting continue.

[celita]

As I had anticipated. Going up against "Bones" is going to have a negative effect on the ratings from now on.

"Legion" got 4.290 and it was against repeats and featuring a special guess star (KK), 3 guess stars playing heroes from DC comics (the legion of course), Doomsday, a new villian from the future, and Braniac in Chloe's body.

[myankskent]

WOW do you guys realize this is the only episode in season 7 that has done better then an episode from last season?

These are Fracture's numbers:

CW's Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.67 million; A18-49: #4, 1.5/ 4).

It was an Lois episode, with no Lana or Clana from what I remember.


Lana was in "Fracture" and I wouldn't call "Fracture" a Lois episode. It was a Lex episode. Also, there was one Clana scene in "Fracture" prior to Clark going inside of Lex's mind.

[hero`s passion]

You just about got ir right Timester.A bad rating that will no doubt kick off a fresh debate.I was really wondering what would have happened had this episode fetaured Lois instead of Lana.I don't think it would have made that big a difference.I think the ratings will pick up in Infamous but not because of Lois.They will rise because it will be an episode featuring Clark revealing his secret to the world.Captivating stories bring you ratings,not characters.
I think that if there was Lois it would be more funny and interesting...Lois is Lois and Lana is sucks!!

[Kreukie]

What? Fracture was a Lex episode.

But let the twisting continue.

Really?

Just looked it up:

Lois (Erica Durance) follows Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) to Detroit and discovers he has found Kara (Laura Vandervoort), who has amnesia. Finley (guest star Corey Sevier), a busboy who is obsessed with Kara, fears Lex will take her away, so he shoots Lex and holds Kara and Lois captive. After Lex's comatose body is found, Chloe (Allison Mack) offers to heal him, but Clark (Tom Welling) refuses to let her.

Seems like Lois played a big role, I guess I didn't see the episode now that I remember, most likely because Lana wasn't in it.

Regardless if was Lois, Lana, Lex, Clark, Bulletproof is the only episode in this season that has done better then an episode in season 7 so far.

[joesmallville]

Again, the rating has little to do with Lana or any other storyline development.

"Bones" is a type of show that appeals to people who also watch "Smallville", the ratings were going to take a hit no matter what.

Trust me. if Bones had aired last week "Legion" would have barely gotten 4 million viewers.

[Timester]

Really?

Just looked it up:

Lois (Erica Durance) follows Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) to Detroit and discovers he has found Kara (Laura Vandervoort), who has amnesia. Finley (guest star Corey Sevier), a busboy who is obsessed with Kara, fears Lex will take her away, so he shoots Lex and holds Kara and Lois captive. After Lex's comatose body is found, Chloe (Allison Mack) offers to heal him, but Clark (Tom Welling) refuses to let her.

Seems like Lois played a big role, I didn't see the episode now that I remember, most likely because Lana wasn't in it.

What? Lois was barely a major player on it.

Now we are assuming episodes per its description? No wonder I'm talking about "twisting".

[myankskent]

Really?

Just looked it up:

Lois (Erica Durance) follows Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) to Detroit and discovers he has found Kara (Laura Vandervoort), who has amnesia. Finley (guest star Corey Sevier), a busboy who is obsessed with Kara, fears Lex will take her away, so he shoots Lex and holds Kara and Lois captive. After Lex's comatose body is found, Chloe (Allison Mack) offers to heal him, but Clark (Tom Welling) refuses to let her.

Seems like Lois played a big role, I didn't see the episode now that I remember, most likely because Lana wasn't in it.

Regardless if was Lois, Lana, Lex, Clark, Bulletproof is the only episode in this season that has done better then an episode in season 7 so far.


Lana was in it. You don't remember her giving Clark a kiss prior to him going inside of Lex's mind? I figured that no Clana fan would forget that but I'm sure they would want to forget the Lana/Lex scene that was in this episode. Lois played a role in "Fracture", but this was not a Lois episode.

[Kreukie]

Lana was in "Fracture" and I wouldn't call "Fracture" a Lois episode. It was a Lex episode. Also, there was one Clana scene in "Fracture" prior to Clark going inside of Lex's mind.

Now I remember, she was in it for like a second. :lol:

Still doesn't change the fact this is the only episode in season 8 that has done better then an episode from season 7.

[hero`s passion]

Really?

Just looked it up:

Lois (Erica Durance) follows Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) to Detroit and discovers he has found Kara (Laura Vandervoort), who has amnesia. Finley (guest star Corey Sevier), a busboy who is obsessed with Kara, fears Lex will take her away, so he shoots Lex and holds Kara and Lois captive. After Lex's comatose body is found, Chloe (Allison Mack) offers to heal him, but Clark (Tom Welling) refuses to let her.

Seems like Lois played a big role, I didn't see the episode now that I remember, most likely because Lana wasn't in it.

Regardless if was Lois, Lana, Lex, Clark, Bulletproof is the only episode in this season that has done better then an episode in season 7 so far.
Why are you talking about episodes that you haven`t seen?????!!!! Lois was there for 1 min! it was about Kara and Lex...Please stop talking about the thigs that you don`t know....

[JAMHEXXX]

Really?


Regardless if was Lois, Lana, Lex, Clark, Bulletproof is the only episode in this season that has done better then an episode in season 7 so far.


Take a look at the ratings graph a few pages back. You are wrong.

[myankskent]

Now I remember, she was in it for like a second. :lol:

Still doesn't change the fact this is the only episode in season 8 that has done better then an episode from season 7.


And that's wrong too. "Bride" did much better than "Persona".

[Kreukie]

Take a look at the ratings graph a few pages back. You are wrong.

How am I wrong? I've compared all the numbers before in another thread and none of the episodes this season have done better then past episodes in season 7, there was only one episode that had the same number as an episode from last season, that's it.

Bulletproof looks to be thus far the only episode in this season that has done better then an episode from season 7.

[AChloeChick]

Uh-oh. That's not good.

ITA with your last statement. Can't blame Bones being there on it's own, all Bones does is give viewers the OPTION to switch channels.

Which I did for the first time EVER since SV has been on. I have NO qualms whatsoever watching Bones over SV. In fact, it seems to me that I did not miss anything, and I didn't go into the 9:00 feeling so darn frustrated and outraged that I wanted to punch someone on screen or throw the TV out the window!

I have SV recorded, but after reading about it, I'm REALLY not sure if I want to waste my time. It kind of felt good being 'free' of SV for a change.

Sorry to say that, but it's true. I may and may not tune in during their regular time again. I'll record it, read the responses to the epi, and then decide if I want to watch the epi or not.

Fallen One, I like your avi!

[hero`s passion]

And guess who spoiled the "Bride"?))))))))

[costas22]

Lana didn't appear much in Fracture.Guys it's not about Lois or Lana.If you look at the highest rated episodes you will see that they are those that focus mostly on Superman and are not romance heavy.By pointing the finger at Lana we are missing the big picture.The show has not been well promoted has a run of 3-4 episodes which are mostly fillers.

[hero`s passion]

I don`t say that is ALL because of Lana, but as for me it is a huge argument

[JAMHEXXX]

How am I wrong? I've compared all the numbers before in another thread and none of the episodes this season have done better then past episodes in season 7, there was only one episode that had the same number as an episode from last season, that's it.

Bulletproof looks to be thus far the only episode in this season that has done better then an episode from season 7.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3409/3208076861_202fabba65_o.jpg

Look at the graph Bride and Legion both had better numbers than Persona and Siren.

[costas22]

And something else.The writing is getting kind of sloppy and that doesn't help in bringing new viewers.In another thread i asked 3 questions that i felt haven't been explained properly:

1)Since when does Tess know the whereabouts of Lex?Otherwise how would she know about that he needs Prometheus?

2)Have they dropped the X storyline?Or are we to believe it was Lex?

3)The spoilers hinted that Oliver and Lana hid something from Clark.They didn't even have a scene together,What's up with that?

How is a viewer supposed to care for a show with plotholes? <!-- / message -->

[JAMHEXXX]

And something else.The writing is getting kind of sloppy and that doesn't help in bringing new viewers.In another thread i asked 3 questions that i felt haven't been explained properly:

1)Since when does Tess know the whereabouts of Lex?Otherwise how would she know about that he needs Prometheus?

2)Have they dropped the X storyline?Or are we to believe it was Lex?

3)The spoilers hinted that Oliver and Lana hid something from Clark.They didn't even have a scene together,What's up with that?

How is a viewer supposed to care for a show with plotholes? <!-- / message -->

Are you new to Smallville?

Smallville has always been full of potholes.:)

[Timester]

3)The spoilers hinted that Oliver and Lana hid something from Clark.They didn't even have a scene together,What's up with that?

Not everything on the spoilers comes to the show.

[Kreukie]

And that's wrong too. "Bride" did much better than "Persona".

You're right, so thus far these past three episodes, have been doing better then the episodes from last season.

Even though the first half of season 8 didn't manage to do the same. Now I remember, when I did the comparing it was comparing the first half of this season with the first half of season 7.

My bad! :lol:

[Clana Kent]

Bulletproof didn't have very well promotion IMO and the scenes including that cop-guy didn't really appeal to me... The only thing that kept me watching was the Clana kiss at the end... I knew it was going to happen somewhere in the episode...
And what was up with the fact that there weren't any promo pics at all for this episode?? That's for the first time this season!
3.79 is low... Is this really because of Bones? damn...

[halvor311]

I think ratings will eventually pick up. In the beginning of the season they seemed to be dropping until one particular episode (I don't remember which). The fact is (as I understand it) that Smallville is one of the CW's most successful shows, and that they have looked at the ratings and are saying that they want to do a season 9. I think this season has been even better than season 6 which is my favorite. I'd like to see them bring back AC, Bart, Victor, and the Black Canary for an episode or two. Maybe it could be the season finale, as a series finale they should have the full justice league team up with the Legion. Might be a little over the top, but if you don't go over the top you can't see what's on the other side (quote from Jim Steinman)

[costas22]

Of course i am not new to Smallville.I know all about it's legendary plotholes.And that's why i believe that the ratings drop over the course of the season.It is more about loose ends in the stories and less about Lois,Lana or Chloe.

[Seeya'round Smallville]

As long as this doesn't torpedo the chances of a Season 9, I think this is a blessing in disguise for them. Obviously the promo department doesn't think much of this 4 episode stretch. Why? I believe we have had 3 trailers for 3 of the episodes now airing at the end of the episode the week prior, and NONE of them were episode specific trailers. They all covered multiple episodes and they all included false advertising (showing Lois inferring that she was involved).

Legion scored high because it had a lot of hype and a gimmick. While you can't make any definitive statement off of one episode, if the next two follow the trend of this one I think the message will be loud and clear. Don't throw off main cast members for multiple episodes at a time, and don't drop storylines that people were following just to do something completely different. While obviously increased competition has a negative effect, does it have a negative effect of half a million viewers? I don't think so.

I think it gets worse next week, maybe like 3.5, because that looks like the weakest episode of the bunch. But the final one will probably go up due to it being Lana's last episode. The only problem is recovering from this. If it follows past trends and this storyline is an arc that really turns people off of the show? No matter how good it is "Infamous" is gonna have a hell of a time getting the viewers back. BUT, as long as this doesn't derail a Season 9, and if this is what it takes for the showrunners to finally get it through their thick skulls that they need more than 2 full-time regulars? So be it.

[JAMHEXXX]

As long as this doesn't torpedo the chances of a Season 9, I think this is a blessing in disguise for them. Obviously the promo department doesn't think much of this 4 episode stretch. Why? I believe we have had 3 trailers for 3 of the episodes now airing at the end of the episode the week prior, and NONE of them were episode specific trailers. They all covered multiple episodes and they all included false advertising (showing Lois inferring that she was involved).

Legion scored high because it had a lot of hype and a gimmick. While you can't make any definitive statement off of one episode, if the next two follow the trend of this one I think the message will be loud and clear. Don't throw off main cast members for multiple episodes at a time, and don't drop storylines that people were following just to do something completely different. While obviously increased competition has a negative effect, does it have a negative effect of half a million viewers? I don't think so.

I think it gets worse next week, maybe like 3.5, because that looks like the weakest episode of the bunch. But the final one will probably go up due to it being Lana's last episode. The only problem is recovering from this. If it follows past trends and this storyline is an arc that really turns people off of the show? No matter how good it is "Infamous" is gonna have a hell of a time getting the viewers back. BUT, as long as this doesn't derail a Season 9, and if this is what it takes for the showrunners to finally get it through their thick skulls that they need more than 2 full-time regulars? So be it.

Bones won't be on the air next week.

[vyperman7]

It cracks me up that so many people worry about the ratings when the show always gets renewed regardless. If TW agrees to do a S9, then it will happen. It won't matter what the ratings are.

Most people by now want to see at least one or both of these - Superman mythos related episodes and/or episodes where Clois is a factor. Most people with the acception of a few Lana/Kristin fans here/there don't really care about Lana anymore. Especially since she was gone from the show, and is only back for 5 episodes. As others have said, Lana being back takes the show back to what it used to be, and prevents progress and moving forward. Once Lana is gone and Clark can back to focusing on his destiny and Lois, the ratings will most likely increase again.

The ratings for Infamous (the episode after Lana's exit) that is heavy in both mythos and Clois should probably score pretty decent ratings.

[hero`s passion]

season 7th ratings were higher because it was 7th, not 8th, if there were season 8`s episodes instead season`s 7 so ratings would be MUCH better..

[Kreukie]

Most people with the acception of a few Lana/Kristin fans here/there don't really care about Lana anymore.

Why do you guys keep saying that, even when these past three episodes, even this one which didn't have a big hype to it, did better then the same number episode from last season.

Again, no episode from the first half of this season which had ZERO Lana, managed to do better as compared to last season.

Yet three episodes with Lana do, not saying Lana is the factor, but it sure as heck doesn't prove Lana brings ratings down and people don't care for her.

Because those episode last season did lower as compare these past three episodes and they hardly had Lana in it, besides Persona, which still managed a 4.0.

Again, regardless of all that, Lana still gets blamed for ratings!:eek:

[costas22]

That is true.Season 7 was out of fresh ideas.However as these episodes are passing by you get the sense that PS3 put all of their eggs in the first 10 episodes of the season and now they are struggling.

[Kreukie]

season 7th ratings were higher because it was 7th, not 8th, if there were season 8`s episodes instead season`s 7 so ratings would be MUCH better..

So far these past three episodes have been better then season 7, while as the first half of this season haven't.

My issue here and always has been is putting the blame on Lana for low ratings, when the ratings the same numbered episode from last season, even ones with hardly any Lana in them have done worse!

[davidbrenton]

Do you realize the lowest episode of this season is one where there was no Lana and there was Lois and it was shown during a time when ratings are normally high? :confused:

Who got the blame for Abyss?

Abyss didn't include NY Metro which is THE LARGEST Area when ratings are taken into account because of the Football game that pre-empted the show in NYC, NJ, PA, etc.

[costas22]

Lana so far has been in 3 episodes.This was the first one that did badly in the ratings.Why is that?Well the previous 2 had Brainiac,Doomsday and the LOS and this one didn't.Lana has never been a ratings draw.And neither has Lois.Of course POwer won't do well.Just go and look at the promo on the CW website.Where is Clark?Nowhere.

[Kreukie]

Abyss didn't include NY Metro which is THE LARGEST Area when ratings are taken into account because of the Football game that pre-empted the show in NYC, NJ, PA, etc.

And if Abyss did get those number, would had it been better then last season's Gemini? Just wondering. :confused:

[vyperman7]

Why do you guys keep saying that, even when these past three episodes, even this one which didn't have a big hype to it, did better then the same number episode from last season.

Again, no episode from the first half of this season which had ZERO Lana, managed to do better as compared to last season.

Yet three episodes with Lana do, not saying Lana is the factor, but it sure as heck doesn't prove Lana brings ratings down and people don't care for her.

Because those episode last season did lower as compare these past three episodes and they hardly had Lana in it, besides Persona, which still managed a 4.0.

Again, regardless of all that, Lana still gets blamed for ratings!:eek:

It managed to beat the S7 episode, but only because the S7 episode you are comparing it to scored 3.6 million viewers. Instead of comparing to S7, you should take into consideration that Bulletproof's 3.8 million viewers caused it to be the lowest rated episode of THIS season. That is what matters.

[Kreukie]

Lana so far has been in 3 episodes.This was the first one that did badly in the ratings.Why is that?Well the previous 2 had Brainiac,Doomsday and the LOS and this one didn't.Lana has never been a ratings draw.And neither has Lois.Of course POwer won't do well.Just go and look at the promo on the CW website.Where is Clark?Nowhere.

As compared to last season, this episode did well.

As compared to the full season, it didn't.

But ratings always fall around this time and again, so far these past three episodes have been doing better than the first half when comparing to season 7.

Just want to defend that Lana doesn't bring ratings down... that is all. :eek:

[Seeya'round Smallville]

Bones won't be on the air next week.

Ah, well that well help some then. In that case I'd figure Power to do around a 3.75-3.8. I'm guessing about half the loss is the competition and half of it is what people think about the show.

[davidbrenton]

And if Abyss did get those number, would had it been better then last season's Gemini? Just wondering. :confused:

Nobody is arguing that the first half of season 7 did well. This season, however, has been attempting, and achieved, an increase from the second half of last season. We stopped the decline, and began to increase back up to hopefully reach a steady 5m mark by season end. However, this mid-season arc and Clana is potentially damaging to that.

Had Lois been in this episode or Legion, the same fan-group would have been with it. PS3 are attempting to pander disjointedly to different fan-group niches, which is horribly inconsistent way to plan out a season.

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Ah, well that well help some then. In that case I'd figure Power to do around a 3.75-3.8. I'm guessing about half the loss is the competition and half of it is what people think about the show.

I think it will do 3.6m. The worst rated episode of the season.

[tyson08]

What the hell is up with this Lana fan trying to make it seem like Lana is the greatest thing ever? :lol:

[skylar]

Bones won't be on the air next week.

I watched Bones the 9 o'clock hour and they had a look at was coming next week.

[hero`s passion]

So far these past three episodes have been better then season 7, while as the first half of this season haven't.

My issue here and always has been is putting the blame on Lana for low ratings, when the ratings the same numbered episode from last season, even ones with hardly any Lana in them have done worse!
So you see that all blames Lana and her tears and other stuff...so you should think that it is means something))))))))))

[marcella]

What the hell is up with this Lana fan trying to make it seem like Lana is the greatest thing ever? :lol:

:rotfl:

[hero`s passion]

What the hell is up with this Lana fan trying to make it seem like Lana is the greatest thing ever? :lol:
agree with you:lol:

[JAMHEXXX]

I watched Bones the 9 o'clock hour and they had a look at was coming next week.

I guess you didn't notice they said in TWO weeks.

[Kreukie]

Nobody is arguing that the first half of season 7 did well. This season, however, has been attempting, and achieved, an increase from the second half of last season. We stopped the decline, and began to increase back up to hopefully reach a steady 5m mark by season end. However, this mid-season arc and Clana is potentially damaging to that.

Every season the first half ratings are better then the second half, now the trust test if they're better then the season before it.

So fair, this season's first half didn't managed it, yet the second half, which normally does worst then the first half, and for sure worst then the second from the season before it (most of the time), has so far managed to air three episodes which have managed to do better then the episodes in the season before it.

Yet that's being competely overlooked and these three episode's ratings are being looked as being bad because of Lana, will mainly this episode. :lol:

[JAMHEXXX]

I think it will do 3.6m. The worst rated episode of the season.

Abyss did 3.56

[joesmallville]

I guess you didn't notice they said in TWO weeks.

Yeah, next week Fox is showing the final audition round of "American Idol" at 8 pm.

[Kreukie]

What the hell is up with this Lana fan trying to make it seem like Lana is the greatest thing ever? :lol:

Have you been reading what I've been saying, I'm trying to disprove that Lana isn't the end all of bad ratings like most of you love to believe.

Don't make fun of me because I have a point! :p

[JAMHEXXX]

Have you been reading what I've been saying, I'm trying to disprove that Lana isn't the end all of bad ratings like most of you love to believe.

Don't make fun of me because I have a point! :p

You have no point you just keep on posting incorrect statements.

[Kreukie]

You have no point you just keep on posting incorrect statements.

Right, hence why you yourself said Legion and Bride have done better then the same numbered episodes from last season.

I'm just echoing the same thing you said pages before it.

So I guess what you're saying is incorrect? :confused:

[Mickey_Bickey]

It's futile to argue and speculate about Abyss. The numbers are the numbers, plain and simple.


Even this butt kicking, gun slinging, wig baring, computer extraordinaire couldn't bring the ratings up for Bulletproof!

Lana-Fu!:lol:

[Firebunny]

Just want to defend that Lana doesn't bring ratings down... that is all. :eek: I agree, Lana doesn't bring ratings down. Neither does she boost ratings. I would say the same for Lois and Chloe and Jimmy for that matter (although I think there's evidence Chimmy kills ratings faster than rat poison).

The one character who has any effects on the ratings is (surprisingly) Clark. If the casual viewer is interested in his story they'll tune in. If not, they won't. Clark Kent battling Doomsday and Brainiac and meeting heroes from the future interests people. Clark Kent in a lame undercover cop story does not.

[JAMHEXXX]

Right, hence why you yourself said Legion and Bride have done better then the same numbered episodes from last season.

I'm just echoing the same thing you said pages before it.

So I guess what you're saying is incorrect? :confused:

I was just CORRECTING one of your INCORRECT posts.

Just as everyone has been correcting your incorrect posts.

[Kreukie]

Even this butt kicking, gun slinging, wig baring, computer extraordinaire couldn't bring the ratings up!:lol:

As compared to last season, these past three episodes have done better then the first half of this season.

If you guys want to dismiss that as not being impressive or important, then that's fine. Still doesn't change that fact and also doesn't prove Lana brings ratings down, because every season ratings go down around this time.

Just go and compare every season, again what matters is if these episodes do better then the season before it.


I was just CORRECTING one of your INCORRECT posts.

Just as everyone has been correcting your incorrect posts.

And I realized by mistake and admitted to it, so why are you still dwelling on it?

What I'm saying so far in these last posts after I realized my error, have they been incorrect?

Have these three episodes not done better than the last season's episodes with the same number?

Is it not true the first half of this season didn't manage to do the same as compared to season 7?

Please show me the errors of my ways.:lol:

[Tompouce]

[quote=vyperman7;4370029]If TW agrees to do a S9, then it will happen. It won't matter what the ratings are.
quote]
Thanks, I have heard many crap today (not from here, I clarify lol)but what you are saying make my day;)

[Mickey_Bickey]

As compared to last season, these past three episodes have done better then the first half of this season.

If you guys want to dismiss that as not being impressive or important, then that's fine. Still doesn't change that fact and also doesn't prove Lana brings ratings down, because every season ratings go down around this time.

Just go and compare every season, again what matters is if these episodes do better then the season before it.:lol:

You're fighting a losing battle, much like Lana-Fu fighting for Clark's love. Numbers don't lie!:lol:

[Kreukie]

Clark Kent in a lame undercover cop story does not.

I thought I was the only one that thought that storyline was pretty lame... most people here seemed to like it. :lol:

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You're fighting a losing battle, much like Lana-Fu fighting for Clark's love. Numbers don't lie!:lol:

Exactly numbers don't lie.

These past three episodes have done better then the same numbered three episodes from last season in ratings.

First half of this season, with NO Lana didn't managed to do better in numbers as compared to season 7.

My point, Lana doesn't bring ratings down. Something yourself and others keep saying... :lol:

[davidbrenton]

Every season the first half ratings are better then the second half, now the trust test if they're better then the season before it.

So fair, this season's first half didn't managed it, yet the second half, which normally does worst then the first half, and for sure worst then the second from the season before it (most of the time), has so far managed to air three episodes which have managed to do better then the episodes in the season before it.

Yet that's being competely overlooked and these three episode's ratings are being looked as being bad because of Lana, will mainly this episode. :lol:

I disagree with your "what's past is prelude" statement regarding that "because the second half of past seasons went down, that means this season must experience the same trend" It doesn't automatically mean that. They started the momentum with the first ten and now they are majorly fumbling the ball. It took an entire 10 episodes to generate genuine goodwill from reports and reviewers regarding the turn-around the show pulled off. They could be taking another large step in the ratings had they not had Lana here. The proof in this will be with the increased ratings when Lois returns. It should be on a slow upward trend throughout the end of the season, but it won't reach as I as it would have with consistency in Clois throughout the year.


BTW, it's not Lana per se. It's that she represents the same storyline BS viewers got sick of in season 6 and season 7. The two seasons they beat the audience to death with this Clana Non-sense. I strongly believe it's a HUGE reason why many fans left the show in the first place. Clois REPRESENTS the new Smallville. Something fresh that we haven't seen before.

[Kevin24]

3.79 is pretty low and I think it has to do with the lack of promotion more then anything. For one, after Legion I had no idea what the next episode was going to be about with that mutli episode trailer. Not until the day before the episode air did I finally see a trailer for the actual up coming episode. In my opinion, it's alot about how they do the previews because so far when the previews have looked week the ratings have suffered.

[costas22]

People you have to realize that this is not about Clois vs Clana.Kristin didn't ask to be in Season 8 and didn't ask to have such a disappointing goodbye arc.I am not a Lana fan but this whole debate is pointless.There are far more serious reasons as to why the ratings drop.And if these reasons are not dealt with there might not be a Season 9.

[Mickey_Bickey]

I thought I was the only one that thought that storyline was pretty lame... most people here seemed to like it. :lol:

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Exactly numbers don't lie.

These past three episodes have done better then the same numbered three episodes from last season in ratings.

First half of this season, with NO Lana didn't managed to do better in numbers as compared to season 7.

My point, Lana doesn't bring ratings down. Something yourself and others keep saying... :lol:

Was Lois in those episodes last season around this time of year?:rotfl:

[hero`s passion]

I begin to love Lana- Fu!!! she makes me laugh...May be she is not so bad? maybe she is just a loser...

[davidbrenton]

People you have to realize that this is not about Clois vs Clana.Kristin didn't ask to be in Season 8 and didn't ask to have such a disappointing goodbye arc.I am not a Lana fan but this whole debate is pointless.There are far more serious reasons as to why the ratings drop.And if these reasons are not dealt with there might not be a Season 9.

What are those other reasons for the drop?

[Mickey_Bickey]

I begin to love Lana- Fu!!! she makes me laugh...May be she is not so bad? maybe she is just a loser...


I think I like Lana-Fu-Fang better!!:lol:

[tyson08]

I just think the writers made a huge mistake with dismissing Lois for these 4 episodes. She should have appeared at least in two of them. The fans that were tuning in the first half of the season want to see Clark and Lois' relationship, they don't want to see this Clana rubbish.

[Tompouce]

I begin to love Lana- Fu!!! she makes me laugh...May be she is not so bad? maybe she is just a loser...
Thanks, I agree with you, when I saw the trailer with Lana Fu, I found it ridiculous and to see it with the whole epi doesn't change my mind:D

[JAMHEXXX]

People you have to realize that this is not about Clois vs Clana.Kristin didn't ask to be in Season 8 and didn't ask to have such a disappointing goodbye arc.I am not a Lana fan but this whole debate is pointless.There are far more serious reasons as to why the ratings drop.And if these reasons are not dealt with there might not be a Season 9.

I disagree. Taking a character that was very prominent for the first half of the season (Lois) out of the show and replacing them with a character that the majority of the fans don't like(Lana) was a stupid mistake by PS3.

[davidbrenton]

3.79 is pretty low and I think it has to do with the lack of promotion more then anything. For one, after Legion I had no idea what the next episode was going to be about with that mutli episode trailer. Not until the day before the episode air did I finally see a trailer for the actual up coming episode. In my opinion, it's alot about how they do the previews because so far when the previews have looked week the ratings have suffered.

Practically the only episode that was promoted in the first half of the season was Bride and Odyssey. Beyond that, there was very LITTLE promotion. They've made the choice to not spend on promotion and that's been evident the entire season. You can't blame low promotion on ratings that fell 1/2 million viewers from last week.

[Kevin24]

I think trailers have alot to do with the drop in ratings. I mean if you don't read spoilers , like I don't, I had really no idea what to expect in this episode.

The past few weeks of trailers have been garbage and I don't feel any excitement about the next episodes because of how they have them edited and Lana voiceover saying they can't be.

I am a long time fan and I love this show but those don't exicte me in the lease bit and the only reason I'm going to watch is because I am a loyal fan but if I was a casual fan I'd definately skip the next few epsiodes.

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Practically the only episode that was promoted in the first half of the season was Bride and Odyssey. Beyond that, there was very LITTLE promotion. They've made the choice to not spend on promotion and that's been evident the entire season. You can't blame low promotion on ratings that fell 1/2 million viewers from last week.

I think it has more to do with trailers and previews then anything else. The story has to look good for the upcoming episode. The same goes for Movies because that gives us a first impression and creates buzz and these trailers so far have been wack.

[Kreukie]

I disagree with your "what's past is prelude" statement regarding that "because the second half of past seasons went down, that means this season must experience the same trend" It doesn't automatically mean that. They started the momentum with the first ten and now they are majorly fumbling the ball. It took an entire 10 episodes to generate genuine goodwill from reports and reviewers regarding the turn-around the show pulled off. They could be taking another large step in the ratings had they not had Lana here. The proof in this will be with the increased ratings when Lois returns. It should be on a slow upward trend throughout the end of the season, but it won't reach as I as it would have with consistency in Clois throughout the year.

Again, you're blaming Lana as the failure of ratings and praising Lois/Clois as the winner of ratings. Nothing proves that!

[Jack-El49]

I think it has little to do with KK being back, frankly. I think it has more to do with the absence of any real excitement/hype for the episode. Loyal comic book fans know of Danny Turpin but the casual viewer doesn't. It sort of looked like a rehash of old plots with KK there. That's not KK's fault though.

It was actually a good episode, I thought, until the final scene. Then, it resembled a Season 6 or Season 7 plot with a "conflicted Clark" once again.

It's not Lana's fault, it's not KK's fault - it's the writer's fault.

[petitemimi]

The one character who has any effects on the ratings is (surprisingly) Clark. If the casual viewer is interested in his story they'll tune in. If not, they won't. Clark Kent battling Doomsday and Brainiac and meeting heroes from the future interests people. Clark Kent in a lame undercover cop story does not.

I'm not surprised at all and I agree. People seems to forget that there are more non-online viewers than online viewers and those people will watch based on the trailer for the week after. They see Clark do cool things, they watch. If they don't see him, they figure the episode will be boring. I think we can predict that Power will tank in the ratings.

[costas22]

What are those other reasons for the drop? <!-- / message -->


I already went over them here.Anyway,i will make it quick.For one thing the writing is becoming sloppy.We have still to get an answer on X and we might never get one.Tess apparently found Lex but it was never explained on the show.In Legion you had the LOS,Doomsday and Brainiac and by Bulletproof they are all gone.Finally it's difficult to keep viewers interested in your characters when you show them once every 3-4 episodes(Tess for example).

[hero`s passion]

I think I like Lana-Fu-Fang better!!:lol:
Yes, I like that too...so nice and suits her:lol::rotfl:

[marcella]

I just think the writers made a huge mistake with dismissing Lois for these 4 episodes. She should have appeared at least in two of them. The fans that were tuning in the first half of the season want to see Clark and Lois' relationship, they don't want to see this Clana rubbish.

ITA

[davidbrenton]

Again, you're blaming Lana as the failure of ratings and praising Lois/Clois as the winner of ratings. Nothing proves that!

Look at the ratings this season darlin'.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Yes, I like that too...so nice and suits her:lol::rotfl:


If the gun didn't work last night, Lana-Fu-Fang had backup:

http://www.smallvillededication.com/gallery/albums/93/thirst583.jpg


Not to mention the ultimate weapon......the element of suprise!!:lol:

[eas]

Yeah, they didn't even give a trailer for it. The trailer that they are using seems to be a combination of "Bulletproof", "Power" and "Requiem". Why can't they have a separate trailer for each? Very lazy on the part of the CW.

Yeah, I think this definitely makes a difference. In the first half, they went out of the way to promote the specific episode. It made the audience know exactly what they had to look forward to...

Now, they use clips from episodes past (how many times can they show the Lois walking away clip until people wise up that she's not coming back?) and the same quick shots.

They don't do this for "GG" or "90210"... it's almost like the CW could care less if people know it's a new episode or not.

[Timester]

I think it has little to do with KK being back, frankly. I think it has more to do with the absence of any real excitement/hype for the episode. Loyal comic book fans know of Danny Turpin but the casual viewer doesn't. It sort of looked like a rehash of old plots with KK there. That's not KK's fault though.

I would say more, Dan Turpin wasn't promoted AT ALL. Even the comic book fans, that doesn't read spoilers, wouldn't know about it.

[costas22]

Fellows this is Smallville.It's not Lana-ville or Lois-ville.If the ratings drop or rise it's due to more serious reasons than who is Clark's love interest.

[hero`s passion]

Look at the ratings this season darlin'.
ITA... ratings prove that)))))) you`ll see:p

[Kevin24]

I think it doesn't have anything to do with Lana and more to do with the terrible trailers. Bride had Lana and that episode did well and so did Legion so we see that good trailers make a big difference on who will tune in.

Abyss, remember that trailer? It did not look good at all but it turned out to be a great episode but the ratings dip big time. Then the trailer for bride looked great! Then we got a big boost in ratings.

Even with these Lana episodes if they had good trailers I would have expected them all to be in the 4 mils.

[Kreukie]

Look at the ratings this season darlin'.

Yeah, the second half is doing better then the first half as compared to last season.

Every season the ratings drop around this time, it's been a known tend for years now.

[davidbrenton]

I already went over them here.Anyway,i will make it quick.For one thing the writing is becoming sloppy.We have still to get an answer on X and we might never get one.Tess apparently found Lex but it was never explained on the show.In Legion you had the LOS,Doomsday and Brainiac and by Bulletproof they are all gone.Finally it's difficult to keep viewers interested in your characters when you show them once every 3-4 episodes(Tess for example).

It was a typical filler episode. These issues aren't a problem. People had an issue with Legion, which had everything but Clois, and didn't return for BulletProof.

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Yeah, the second half is doing better then the first half as compared to last season.

Every season the ratings drop around this time, it's been a known tend for years now.

I'll repeat. look at the ratings for this season. Stop looking for protection with other seasons. Just focus on this season alone.

However, since you are obviously hellbent on using passed season examples. No other season has actually risen in the ratings from the season before it except for season 8 (No Lana). Now, the ratings are suffering (LANA).

[JAMHEXXX]

Yeah, the second half is doing better then the first half as compared to last season.

Every season the ratings drop around this time, it's been a known tend for years now.

They've had exactly one episode for the second half of the season and it had terrible ratings compared to Season 8 as a whole.

[costas22]

It was a typical filler episode. These issues aren't a problem. People had an issue with Legion, which had everything but Clois, and didn't return for BulletProof.


If you remember Prey also didn't have Clois but it did 4.15 and Identity did 4.32.My point is that if there is a good story(without plotholes) to be to told viewers will tune in.The show would be in trouble if it's ratings depended on whether there was Clois or not.You are right though.We should only focus on this season's ratings.

[JAMHEXXX]

Fellows this is Smallville.It's not Lana-ville or Lois-ville.If the ratings drop or rise it's due to more serious reasons than who is Clark's love interest.

Lois being gone will be a contributing factor in the ratings decline.

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If you remember Prey also didn't have Clois but it did 4.15 and Identity did 4.32.My point is that if there is a good story(without plotholes) to be to told viewers will tune in.The show would be in trouble if it's ratings depended on whether there was Clois or not.You are right though.We should only focus on this season's ratings.

UHHHHHHHH......Lois was in Identity.

[costas22]

JAMHEXXX i agree with you on one thing.Lana's return was untimely.She should have appeared at the start of the season,get it over with and then focus on Clois.But despite that,they should have let Lois at least be a part of some of Lana's episodes.I always felt that they should have done a passing of the torch scene between Lois and Lana.The way they handled the casting was disrespectful to the fans of Lois.It's as if she didn't matter.However i still feel that the ratings dropping has more to do with the episode being a filler.

[Kreukie]

I'll repeat. look at the ratings for this season. Stop looking for protection with other seasons. Just focus on this season alone.

And I'll repeat that it's a known trend that ratings drop around this time. If Clois really did brings ratings like you say, then why didn't the first half of this season do better then last season's? Like back in season five vs. four. Season five had Clana in the beginning and season four had no Clana, yet had Lois living with the Kent's.

Season Five:

1. Arrival.......final number 5.9 million viewers. - Lower
2. Mortal.......final number 5.9 million viewers - Higher
3. Hidden.......final number 5.9 million viewers. - Higher
4. Aqua.......final number 6.4 million viewers. - Higher
5. Thirst.....Final Number 5.8 million viewers - Higher
6. Exposed......Final Number 5.4 Million Viewers - Lower
7. Splinter.....Final Number 5.5 Million Viewers - Higher
8. Solitude......Final Number 6.0 Million Viewers - Higher
9. Lexmas........Final Number 5.4 Million Vewiers - Higher
10. Fanatic.......Final Number 5.5 Million Viewers - Higher

Season Four:

1. Crusade...............final number 6.1 million viewers. - Higher
2.Gone................final number 5.7 million viewers. - Lower
3.Facade........final number 5.5 million viewers. - Lower
4.Devoted........final number 6.2 million viewers. - Lower
5.Run............final number 5.4 million viewers. - Lower
6.Transference......final number 5.7million viewers. - Lower
7.Jinx...............final number 5.0 million viewers. - Lower
8. Spell............final number 5.5 million viewers. - Lower
9. Bound.......... final number 5.1 million viewers. - Lower
10. Scare ............final number 4.9 million viewers - Lower

[Alicia Chipy]

They should have developed the Martian Manhunter/Dan Turpin angle more.
Chloe basically was just there to bring up Lois and too much screen time was wasted on Clana.Poor pacing over all.

[Timester]

And I'll repeat that it's a known trend that ratings drop around this time. If Clois really did brings ratings like you say, then why didn't the first half of this season do better then last season's? Like back in season five vs. four. Season five had Clana in the beginning and season four had no Clana, yet had Lois living with the Kent's.

Season Five:

1. Arrival.......final number 5.9 million viewers. - Lower
2. Mortal.......final number 5.9 million viewers - Higher
3. Hidden.......final number 5.9 million viewers. - Higher
4. Aqua.......final number 6.4 million viewers. - Higher
5. Thirst.....Final Number 5.8 million viewers - Higher
6. Exposed......Final Number 5.4 Million Viewers - Lower
7. Splinter.....Final Number 5.5 Million Viewers - Higher
8. Solitude......Final Number 6.0 Million Viewers - Higher
9. Lexmas........Final Number 5.4 Million Vewiers - Higher
10. Fanatic.......Final Number 5.5 Million Viewers - Higher

Season Four:

1. Crusade...............final number 6.1 million viewers. - Higher
2.Gone................final number 5.7 million viewers. - Lower
3.Facade........final number 5.5 million viewers. - Lower
4.Devoted........final number 6.2 million viewers. - Lower
5.Run............final number 5.4 million viewers. - Lower
6.Transference......final number 5.7million viewers. - Lower
7.Jinx...............final number 5.0 million viewers. - Lower
8. Spell............final number 5.5 million viewers. - Lower
9. Bound.......... final number 5.1 million viewers. - Lower
10. Scare ............final number 4.9 million viewers - Lower

Season 5 had no Lana importance, unlike a season 4 (the witches arc).

Am I right on it affecting the ratings? No, I'm just pulling theories out of my a** as valid as yours. No one really knows.

[batfinx]

If the ratings don't go any lower than Bulletproof, that's not so bad. It's clear Lana/Clana doesn't bring in viewers, but if Power doesn't go lower than Bulletproof, it's clear that Lana/Clana doesn't completely run them off either. I'm a little worried since they decided to end Bulletproof with a kiss, but I think people in general who want to see shipper stuff will probably watch Bones anyway. It got the highest ratings for the hour and is angst free for the most part.

Though I did look back at the Fracture trailer, all it showed was Lex and Clark and said "the only thing more dangerous than entering a madman's mind is being trapped there forever" and it showed Lex pushing Clark around saying "let me give you the grand tour". No one else was shown in the preview, not Lois, Kara, Chloe, Lana or Lionel, who were all in the episode. So trying to blame Fracture's ratings on any of them is ridiculous. Traditionally Lex-centric episodes have rated poorly and Fracture was no exception.

[pizzahead2490]

no big suprise the rating was low... i wanted to turn the tv off myself

[Mickey_Bickey]

no big suprise the rating was low... i wanted to turn the tv off myself



:rotfl:

[davidbrenton]

Lois being gone will be a contributing factor in the ratings decline.

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UHHHHHHHH......Lois was in Identity.

Also, Prey was the episode AFTER COMMITTED. The arguably best Clois episode of the series.

-- I'm stated above as an on to JAMEEXX's defense of costas22's initial statement which was this:
START QUAOTE:
If you remember Prey also didn't have Clois but it did 4.15 and Identity did 4.32.My point is that if there is a good story(without plotholes) to be to told viewers will tune in.The show would be in trouble if it's ratings depended on whether there was Clois or not.You are right though.We should only focus on this season's ratings.
End Quote

Nonetheless, Costas, I agree with you. Good story's are necessary. S8 overall has done a pretty good job of that I think. I hope the stories are enough to keep viewers.

[mr lane]

what WERE the finally ratings for this ep?

[6-Super-Man -5]

I'm not sure.

[davidbrenton]

what were the finally ratings for this ep?

3.791

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[QUOTE=batfinx;4370512]If the ratings don't go any lower than Bulletproof, that's not so bad. It's clear Lana/Clana doesn't bring in viewers, but if Power doesn't go lower than Bulletproof, it's clear that Lana/Clana doesn't completely run them off either. QUOTE]

EXACTLY. I hope everyone can read this and can agree on it so next week we have a full agreement on the conclusion to draw from the ratings results. I still kind of feel that 3.791 is SO much lower than s8 average that it drives them off. But, I'll silence this belief for sake of argument if the ratings are the same next week.

[JAMHEXXX]

3.791


The Finals come out around 3:30 pm (cst)

[DGirlLois4Clark]

If the gun didn't work last night, Lana-Fu-Fang had backup:

http://www.smallvillededication.com/gallery/albums/93/thirst583.jpg


Not to mention the ultimate weapon......the element of suprise!!:lol:


:rotfl::lol:

[costas22]

A good ondication of the ratings is the traffic on Kryptonsite the day after.Last week(with Lana and without Lois) by now we had 6 pages for Legion.Right now we have 3-4.So something else must have gone wrong.At the same time i remember that you couldn't get into Kryptonsite the day after Commited.So brenton is right about Committed.

[JAMHEXXX]

A good ondication of the ratings is the traffic on Kryptonsite the day after.Last week(with Lana and without Lois) by now we had 6 pages for Legion.Right now we have 3-4.So something else must have gone wrong.At the same time i remember that you couldn't get into Kryptonsite the day after Commited.So brenton is right about Committed.

The most visitors ever at Ksite was during Bride right before it looked like Lois and Clark were going to kiss.

So, you really can't go by Ksite traffic.

Here are the exact figures
Most users ever online was 1,788, 11-20-2008 at 08:32 PM

[Clana Kent]

It was a typical filler episode. These issues aren't a problem. People had an issue with Legion, which had everything but Clois, and didn't return for BulletProof.

However, since you are obviously hellbent on using passed season examples. No other season has actually risen in the ratings from the season before it except for season 8 (No Lana). Now, the ratings are suffering (LANA).

You're just trying to bash Lana.. One of the main reasons the ratings were so poor, is because there was barely any promotion (10-seconds trailer, No promo pics) and MM was barely in it..
It also just didn't feel like Smallville the first few minutes.. I might've stopped watching if I wasn't such a great SV-fan! The clana-kiss was the one thing that kept me watching, since I knew it was going to be in it!

Still, Smallville was CW's top show.. again... It beated SPN again...

Please stop bashing Lana! There's nothing wrong with her.. especially not this season...

[Tompouce]

And for Bride, it was the same. Many people were there...

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The most visitors ever at Ksite was during Bride right before it looked like Lois and Clark were going to kiss.

So, you really can't go by Ksite traffic.
Lol, we agree (I have post the same thing just after you:D)

[davidbrenton]

The Finals come out around 3:30 pm (cst)

Oh. Okay.

[liana]

Do you realize the lowest episode of this season is one where there was no Lana and there was Lois and it was shown during a time when ratings are normally high? :confused:

Who got the blame for Abyss?

I am not going to enter on the debate that "Lana brings down ratings" or "Lana brings ratings up" or Lois...whatever, but Lois wasn't in Abyss.

The only point I want to make about all this is that the show suffer from the fact that we only have two characters appearing in all episodes. Half the cast is always missing, so the stories suffer continuity breaks all the time. In the past, we did have some characters as part time regulars, but most cast was usually there. We had 7 regulars that were present in all episodes or missing one or two at most from season 1-3. The only part time regular was John Glover.

Then, the number of full regulars started decreasing since season 4: 6, then 5 (season 5-7) with 3 part time regulars, and now 5. My point is that the story suffer when most of the cast is missing from at least half a season. How are you supposed to maintain a decent story arc for any character like that?

Let's take look at Clark and Chloe, the only two full regulars. Chloe's arc is linked with both Jimmy and Davis, however they are absent from half of the episodes she is around. That means that her arc only advances in half episodes she is in. Clark's arc are the super hero arc and the journalist, however his main nemesis is not around for half season, his boss and his co-workers are missing as well, and you never got to advance the whole story.

Is it really surprising that people don't tune in to watch yet another episode where 3 regulars are missing? I am not saying that we should have all regulars in all episodes, but the truth is that when most of the show cast is only present for 13 episodes, is it that much of a surprise that people are not invested in the show?

In one sense I think that Lois being absent contributed to it: she had been in a lot of episodes in the first half of the season. A lot of fans (not all) warmed up to her as soon as she started falling for Clark, and most episodes she was in were really very good, and ED had the chance to shine (in Bloodline she was amazing). Then, suddenly she is absent, and the network promotes the show using old clips of other episodes, making quite clear to viewers that she wouldn't be around (I mean, no one really believes that she would be around, when there are new clips from anyone else but her).

The point is that, is not ED or KK, but the fact that an arc was started, some viewers became invested on it, and it was suddenly interrupted for 4 episodes. The same is true for Davis: when Doomsday plot was put in motion (Bloodline, Abyss, Bride and Legion), and in the next 3 episodes, Davis is going to cease to exist until Infamous.

Is really that surprising that it hurts the show? :(

[Kreukie]

Season 5 had no Lana importance, unlike a season 4 (the witches arc).

Am I right on it affecting the ratings? No, I'm just pulling theories out of my a** as valid as yours. No one really knows.

Funny how you jump on me when I'm responding to someone who flat out said Clois/Lois brings ratings, when I not once said Lana/Clana bring in ratings.

My who was point that nothing that anyone is saying here proves Lana brings the ratings down.

If what the person who I was responding to was saying was true, season four would had better rating then season five. My point. Yet you choose to over look that and say I pulling theories out of my butt!

[costas22]

Liana thank you!Finally someone else is saying what i have been saying.And i must say you have analyzed it much better than me.Tess is having the same problem that Davis has.She was supposed to be the main villain but then she starts to appear once every 3 episodes.It'a like the viewers watch a different show with different characters each week.I will add something to all of this.They are creating some plotholes with the identity of X and the revelation that Tess found Lex being the most significant ones.

[davidbrenton]

Funny how you jump on me when I'm responding to someone who flat out said Clois/Lois brings ratings, when I not once said Lana/Clana bring in ratings.

My who was point that nothing that anyone is saying here proves Lana brings the ratings down.

If what the person who I was responding was saying was true, season four would had better rating then season five. My point. Yet you choose to over look that! :rotfl:

Take the season averages of THE ENTIRE SEASON. Then, restate your point. You can't keep arguing with this partial season evidence.

[Alania]

You're just trying to bash Lana.. One of the main reasons the ratings were so poor, is because there was barely any promotion (10-seconds trailer, No promo pics) and MM was barely in it..
It also just didn't feel like Smallville the first few minutes.. I might've stopped watching if I wasn't such a great SV-fan! The clana-kiss was the one thing that kept me watching, since I knew it was going to be in it!

Still, Smallville was CW's top show.. again... It beated SPN again...

Please stop bashing Lana! There's nothing wrong with her.. especially not this season...

Oh, and the "Lois is old" bit and "Lois is rebound" bit, "Lois does not belong in Smallville" bit, is ok? All the names and pejoratives words ED had to put up with when she started out in SV and still puts up with are ok? Bashing does not come from cloisers only, i can assure you. I won't blame Lana for ratings going down, but truth is, up until Bride they were stabilized and now, with no Lois around, they are down again. It can also be due to lack of promos, but i'm not in US, so i can't say much about that. You don't miss Lois, we don't miss Lana, that simple. ;)

[Timester]

Funny how you jump on me when I'm responding to someone who flat out said Clois/Lois brings ratings, when I not once said Lana/Clana bring in ratings.

It was you that posted the numbers, who was I supposed to quote?

Heck, a Cloiser accused me of exact same thing on this same thread. Clearly shows that I'm not biased to any ship.

[tyson08]

Liana, I agree. I wish Smallville had a bigger budget so they could have Lois/Tess/Davis in more episodes.

[liana]

Liana thank you!Finally someone else is saying what i have been saying.And i must say you have analyzed it much better than me.Tess is having the same problem that Davis has.She was supposed to be the main villain but then she starts to appear once every 3 episodes.It'a like the viewers watch a different show with different characters each week.I will add something to all of this.They are creating some plotholes with the identity of X and the revelation that Tess found Lex being the most significant ones.

You are welcome. I am amazed there isn't more people understanding that this is the real problem. I am a clois fan and Lois fan, and yet I don't think that things are that simple as saying 'ratings are down this episode because Lois isn't around'. I believe that ratings are down because two arcs have been put in motion (Clois and Doosmday) and they have been interrupted. Ratings are down, because the other supposed villain (Tess) is not around enough to make viewers invested in her as a villain. Ratings are down because two of Clark's main arcs are put on ice, as well as Chloe's for 3-4 episodes, while another arc is being introduced as a place holder, and what makes this arc bad is the fact that is not linked to the first part of the season, and it will be dropped in the next two weeks.

[Kreukie]

Take the season averages of THE ENTIRE SEASON. Then, restate your point. You can't keep arguing with this partial season evidence.

Well you can't compare the first half with the second half, because the first half of about every season has better ratings than the second half.

Reason why I used past season as examples. Even TPTB have compared the ratings from one season to another, which you can read in their interviews from seasons past.

Now I ask again, if what you're saying is true that Clois brings ratings, what happened from season four to five? Why was one of the lowest rated episodes in the first half of season five an episode where Lois does a lap dance for Clark, why haven't the ratings in the first half of this season been better then the first half of season seven? :confused:

Again you're the one that's saying Lois/Clois brings ratings, yet you don't want to compare this season to past seasons and just want to compare the first half to these last three episodes.

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It was you that posted the numbers, who was I supposed to quote?

Heck, a Cloiser accused me of exact same thing on this same thread. Clearly shows that I'm not biased to any ship.

Well it seemed like you were jumping on my case, I'm sorry if I misunderstand you.

[liana]

Liana, I agree. I wish Smallville had a bigger budget so they could have Lois/Tess/Davis in more episodes.

I am not so sure if the problem is only budget. I think they are so obssessed with guest stars that they forget about the cast that they do have. All those actors have the option to do more than the 13 episodes, and I am positive that having each one of those for at least 16-17 wouldn't be much more expensive than paying the amount of guest stars they are hiring for new episodes. If they can't afford two villains, they should have only one appearing more, or if they absolutely have to have two, they should have one for the first half, and another for the second half. It is really very bad writing to start an arc, and put it on hold for a huge amount of episodes, as they are doing with Doomsday and Lois. *shrugs* I really hope they start to understand it, and, if there is a season 9, they do it better next time.

[davidbrenton]

Well you can't compare the first half with the second half, because the first half of about every season has better ratings than the second half.

Reason why I used past season as examples. Even TPTB have compared the ratings from one season to another, which you can read in their interviews from seasons past.

Now I ask again, if what you're saying is true that Clois brings ratings, what happened from season four to five? Why was one of the lowest rated episodes in the first half of season five an episode where Lois does a lap dance for Clark, why haven't the ratings in the first half of this season been better then the first half of season seven? :confused:
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Clois did not occur until season 8, btw. I am comparing where last season left off (2H of S7) with where this season began (1H S8), because I believe it more accurately reflects audience growth over time. Because of the huge ratings slide in 2H S7, we were obivously going to have lower ratings than 1H 07 because of where S7 LEFT US. We have to build from where S7 LEFT US--This leave off point is more clearly demonstrated by 2H S7 than 1H S7, which you keep harping about. It was not a given that the audience would shrink in 2H S8, as evidenced from Legion, which had a gain from the last episode. The second episode in easily could have continued this trend.

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[QUOTE=liana;4370987]I am not so sure if the problem is only budget. I think they are so obssessed with guest stars that they forget about the cast that they do have.

I love your point. I WISH they would cut back on guest stars next season as opposed to the regulars (Errr....semi's).

[Tompouce]

Is it the worse ratings for this season or not ?

[costas22]

Liana let me ask you something.Do you think that Oliver was necessary?If they hadn't brought him in maybe they could have afforded to have the other cast members appear more often.Then the storylines would have been more consistent.So we would have had only 6 season regulars.So?

[alejandrita439]

you know what i think...

shelby=ratings.. :lol:

so bring shelby to the rest of the episodes of this season :D

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so whats the final number? :confused: :)

[Alania]

Is it the worse ratings for this season or not ?

Not for the season, Karine, just Bulletproof, i believe Legion was 4.3 million, don't remebember, but yesterday was 3.7. And the first half of the season 8 was also higher than this.

[Timester]

Is it the worse ratings for this season or not ?

Abyss was the worst.

[marcella]

The worse ratings were for Abyss,but I don't remember the numbers

What Timester said

[liana]

Liana let me ask you something.Do you think that Oliver was necessary?If they hadn't brought him in maybe they could have afforded to have the other cast members appear more often.Then the storylines would have been more consistent.So we would have had only 6 season regulars.So?

No, I don't think he was necessary. I do believe that Clark needs a male friend, and Oliver could have worked as one, but so could Jimmy. In the end of the day, neither is being the male friend Clark needs, and none of them is decently used. Oliver works best as a guest than a regular, IMO. The moment they brought Oliver into the show as a regular, they had to regress a character that was already fully developped into whom he is supposed to be. It did no service to Oliver's character, and it didn't add anything significant to the show. And believe me, I do like Oliver most of the time, and I thought he did great in season 6.

But I don't blame the producers for Oliver being in the show. CW wanted to put him in one of their shows, because they had a 'talent hold' deal with him. His pilot was cancelled, so they put him in SV, because if they had to pay him, at least he would be working. :\

[sarcami]

It's the fault of the writers for not writing tighter arcs that will keep not only the dedicated viewer but interest the casual viewer.

[Tompouce]

Thanks Alania, Bruno and Marcella:)

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you know what i think...

shelby=ratings.. :lol:

so bring shelby to the rest of the episodes of this season :D

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so whats the final number? :confused: :)
That is what I said yesterday. The Shelby's topic doesn't exist anymore. It is a true problem...Look at the ratings, it is obvious:D

[costas22]

Thanx Liana.I didn't know about his talent hold deal.So basically he isn't taking anything away from the budget.I think the finals should be here in about 45 minutes so then we will have a better picture.

[bizzaroboy9]

is the final number out yet?

[davidbrenton]

I found an awesome graph which shows all eight seasons. How do I post it?

--I only see where I enter a url. Do I have to have a webpage to post it, i don't get it.

[liana]

Thanx Liana.I didn't know about his talent hold deal.So basically he isn't taking anything away from the budget.I think the finals should be here in about 45 minutes so then we will have a better picture.

I am not so sure if he is taking something from the budget or not. I have seen it mentioned, more than once, that CW would be responsible for at least half his salary, but I have yet to see any official mention about it. His presence might or not impact on the budget. As far as I know, they might have reduced the budget because he was joining the cast, for example, assuming that the show didn't need that much money for cast, considering that his salary was already payed for.

But all this is just speculation. We don't know how much someone impacts on the budget or not. What is a fact is that SV has had a great amount of guests this season, even more than usual, and they made a clear option to bet on guest's appearance, instead of using more their regulars. There is no way this option didn't impact on an already reduced budget.

[Cogito17]

There are many factors which can influence ratings, making a blanket statement such as "Lana = ratngs" or "Lana = bad ratings" is pretty unfair and inaccurate.

There where, what? Maybe 5 minutes total of shared screentime for Clark and Lana this episode? The focus of this episode was on Tess and Clark. Tess discovered what was going on with Lex watching her, and Clark is the main character. Developments regarding Lana's character didn't come to the forefront until the last 2 minutes (though reading through the forums one might think the episode was one long Clana make out session). It was not a Lana centered episode, only the "teaser / whats gonna happen next?" moment to get you interested in the next episode focused on Lana.

[costas22]

You are right about the guests.Maxima for example,no matter how hot she looked,we could have done without.Talking about friends of Clark,the only one who really bonds well with him for me is John Jones.If there was ever a choice i would have liked to have seen him more often.

[davidbrenton]

I like Oliver as Clark's friend. I like the scenes they share. I don't know why all of a sudden they decided not to work together though (In the beginning). That was odd. I don't remember them having a fight.

[Tompouce]

I like Oliver as Clark's friend. I like the scenes they share. I don't know why all of a sudden they decided not to work together though (In the beginning). That was odd. I don't remember them having a fight.
Well, Clark and Oliver are always fighting. I can understand why some people like the way Oliver is trying to shake Clark but personally, I don't. I have always the feeling Oliver treats Clark as a *****(in french lol)even if it is not the real intention. Each time I hate Oliver when he does it...

[Wicked Lois]

Lois = Ratings?

I bet the most viewed scene was the Cho-lo mention.

[luvinChlark]

^ Well Legion did great, even without Lois appearing. They even promote Lois in the the bulletproof promos too.

I'm sure it's because a lot of people are not interested in Lana and her problems... which cause the ratings to drop.

[costas22]

Does anyone have any news on the finals?

[ClarkyBoy14]

There are many factors which can influence ratings, making a blanket statement such as "Lana = ratngs" or "Lana = bad ratings" is pretty unfair and inaccurate.

That's very true. The presence of Lana could have had something to do with the drop, but it would make much more sense to look at all of the factors. For starters, Smallville was up against almost all repeats (except for 15 minutes for Bush). This week, everything was new and Bones premiered in the timeslot, which gave FOX its highest ratings in the timeslot all season. Also, last week's episode had a lot of hype and a lot of reasons to tune in. This week, there was just MM and not good promotion at all.

I'm really not sure how next week will do. Moronically, the CW aired the same trailer, which might make people think Smallville is a repeat next week and FOX will air American Idol; however, everything else will be in repeats. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

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1)Since when does Tess know the whereabouts of Lex?Otherwise how would she know about that he needs Prometheus?

I forget. Did Tess mention that she knew where Lex is? If she did, then that would be a plothole. But if she didn't, then she's making the suit for him when she eventually finds him.


2)Have they dropped the X storyline?Or are we to believe it was Lex?

I've been wondering about that too. I hope they didn't drop it.


3)The spoilers hinted that Oliver and Lana hid something from Clark.They didn't even have a scene together,What's up with that?

Don't see how that one's a plot hole.

[Wicked Lois]

^ Well Legion did great, even without Lois appearing. They even promote Lois in the the bulletproof promos too.

I'm sure it's because a lot of people are not interested in Lana and her problems... which cause the ratings to drop.


It was THE LEGION. Come on... that epi would have sky rocked without Clark.

Are you prepared for Power?????? I am guessing less than 3mi

[joesmallville]

Final Rating

Smallville
- 3.850 million viewers
- 2.3/4 HH
- 1.6/4 A18-49
- 1.4/4 A18-34

[tyson08]

It went up! :)

[costas22]

Oh so it just picked up 0.05.What can i say?Bad week.And it's fixing to get worse.Perhaps we will see some sort of ratings revival with Requiem.Andrew thanx for answering my questions.The Oliver-Lana thing wasn't a plothole.It was just an idea that they eventually wrote out of the episode.It happened again with the Clois kiss in Committed.About Tess knowing the whereabouts of Lex,it's just that the way she talked about Prometheus at the ISIS foundation it was like she had found him.Maybe i am wrong.