TV Ratings for "Bulletproof"

[ClarkyBoy14]

Final Rating

Smallville
- 3.850 million viewers
- 2.3/4 HH
- 1.6/4 A18-49
- 1.4/4 A18-34

Well, at least it's better than 3.79.

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Oh so it just picked up 0.05.What can i say?Bad week.And it's fixing to get worse.Perhaps we will see some sort of ratings revival with Requiem.Andrew thanx for answering my questions.The Oliver-Lana thing wasn't a plothole.It was just an idea that they eventually wrote out of the episode.It happened again with the Clois kiss in Committed.About Tess knowing the whereabouts of Lex,it's just that the way she talked about Prometheus at the ISIS foundation it was like she had found him.Maybe i am wrong.

I'll have to rewatch the episode to see. Then again, we haven't seen Tess since "Bloodline," so she could have made contact with Lex since then. :\

[luvinChlark]

Are you prepared for Power?????? I am guessing less than 3mi


Most likely because of Lana. I couldn't even watch bulletproof b/c I can't stand Lana, many people do that. That doesn't mean I miss Lois any more. I'll probably tune in next week b/c AM is directing it though...

[joesmallville]

Oh so it just picked up 0.05.What can i say?Bad week.And it's fixing to get worse.Perhaps we will see some sort of ratings revival with Requiem.Andrew thanx for answering my questions.The Oliver-Lana thing wasn't a plothole.It was just an idea that they eventually wrote out of the episode.It happened again with the Clois kiss in Committed.About Tess knowing the whereabouts of Lex,it's just that the way she talked about Prometheus at the ISIS foundation it was like she had found him.Maybe i am wrong.

You are right , it might get worse.

But it has nothing to do with storylines, next week it goes up against "American Idol"

[bizzaroboy9]

Final Rating

Smallville
- 3.850 million viewers
- 2.3/4 HH
- 1.6/4 A18-49
- 1.4/4 A18-34

how about the number for last night supernatural?

[marcella]

4.85 final ratings is great:)

[6-Super-Man -5]

4.85? Thats the wrong number I think... :\
Hopefully, since Lois returns in "Infamous", the episode will make 5 million.

[joesmallville]

how about the number for last night supernatural?

3.064 million viewers

[ClarkyBoy14]

I like Oliver as Clark's friend. I like the scenes they share. I don't know why all of a sudden they decided not to work together though (In the beginning). That was odd. I don't remember them having a fight.

I don't think they had a fight, Ollie just said they don't do too well working together.

[bizzaroboy9]

3.064 million viewers
no i meant the final numbers

[joesmallville]

no i meant the final numbers

That was the final number

Supernatural
- 3.064 million viewers
- 1.8/3 HH
- 1.3/3 A18-49
- 1.2/3 A18-34

[bizzaroboy9]

not much improvement then

[SparkleforSmallville]

Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.16 mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil.

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil.

#12 Bulletproof ~ *3.85 mil.

[BadToad]

Will we still be getting the Live+7? Didn't Neilson make the decision to exclude the CW from these since it was considered to be too small a sampling to measure? I know something like that was decided.

[SparkleforSmallville]

I think we will still get Live+7. they've been posting CW shows. We'll see if Legion's comes out in a week or so.

[alejandrita439]

is there any page where are all the ratings of all the episodes, since the Pilot?
:confused:

[yvette/lois]

I have to admit I was one of those who didn't watch because of the Clana crap. When I read the spoilers and saw the pictures I suddenly found something to do last night. I don't wanna dis the Clana stuff but the whole thing, IMO, pushes Clark one step forward and three steps back. Clark's character is not even interesting anymore when Lana's around.

[JEWCY]

is there any page where are all the ratings of all the episodes, since the Pilot?
:confused:

someone did them, might have been best episode 321. check the previous episode threads from either 6 or 7 and they should be there, or search his name as he usually posts in the ratings.

[buffywill07]

only 3+ratings..
well.. episode was boring..
no fun w/out lois and clois

[bizzaroboy9]

Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.15 mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil.

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil.

#12 Bulletproof ~ *3.85 mil.


hey thanks again for the numbers! i noticed that a user found the live + 7 numbers for bride. check it out in the bride rating section! ;)

[curiosity]

Bulletproof numbers:

Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.79 million; A18-49: #5, 1.6/ 4)

Lana/Clana to the rescue!!!!!!!!

The show was advertised with a "Clana kiss", I think that did it, along with too much undue flattery for Lana in Legion. If they were bringing Lana back, they needed to tone her character down, not flatter her way too much, and no Clana kiss. IMO. The rejecting Clark, (because she's so great he could never have moved on from her), even for Lois, was just wrong also.

Lois needs to come back. Won't that be in March?

[Tiggers]

^^Well said! Couldn't agree more.

[Legendary Lois & Clark]

I have to admit I was one of those who didn't watch because of the Clana crap. When I read the spoilers and saw the pictures I suddenly found something to do last night. I don't wanna dis the Clana stuff but the whole thing, IMO, pushes Clark one step forward and three steps back. Clark's character is not even interesting anymore when Lana's around.
You're not the only one. I haven't watched the last two episodes and I won't be tuning in again until Lois comes back. I'd rather watch a repeat of CSI than Clana. I have a feeling the numbers will be dwindling more and more over the next few weeks (until maybe march).

[Bre723]

wow, that isn't a very high rating.

[tyson08]

Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.15 mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil. & Live+7=4.69 mil.

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil.

#12 Bulletproof ~ *3.85 mil.


Thanks to Marcella for cracking the Bride Live+7 code! ;)

[F..l]

thanks tyson08 .... :) live+7 for Bride at last ;) ... 4,7 it's not to bad :)
but for bulleproof it is miscreant ... I was hoping for 4 millions in the worst .... :(
I hope with Infamous ratings will go up over 5 000 000 :D

[marcella]

Let's wait now for the Live+7 for this episode

[Kid Collins]

Bulletproof's ratings have NOTHING to do with Clana.

I said here that Bones will take a chunk of SV's ratings. And I was right. Bones took first place in the 8:00 pm timeslot.

This show is lucky that Fox network didn't move Bones earlier like in the beginning of the tv season.

That said, according to Media Week :

Early Ratings


The CW capped off the evening with its combination of Smallville (#5: 2.5/ 4), which seems to have perked up in recent weeks, and the compatible Supernatural (#5: 2.1/ 3).

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_display/community/programming-insider/newsletters/e3i8e1f30d51da4f8e8ad1a63fd4a7a1649

Now why would Media Week praise SV's ratings when it's lower than last weeks?

It's probably because SV's desired demographic ratings have gone up! Younger viewers are tuning in lately which is good for the SV and CW.

[Smallvillefan025]

I blame poor ratings on the fact it was a boring episode. No Clois little Chloe and Clana. I hated the last few minutes of this episode.

[costas22]

I think Kid Collins might have a point.If a new show with high ratings suddenly appears at your timeslot it's only natural that they will take something away from your ratings.Smallvillefan025(good avatar choise!) is also right in the sense that the episode wasn't captivating.These are the reasons for the drop.Yet people debate whether Lana or Lois influence the ratings.

[Saturn Girl]

I'm in agreement with Kid Collins.

I suspect that "Smallville" is a niche market kind of thing anyways. I mean it deals with comic book stuff but to me it is really more of a romance series. So I think it draws a unique audience based solely on the disparity of concept and execution of the shows subjectmatter.

Plus, how accurate is Nielsen at ID'ing niche market audiences?

We know that Clark isn't destined for Lana but I'm "always" happier when they are expressing how they truly feel about one another. I've mentioned this elsewhere but I'll be happy when Clana settles down to a best pals relationship like Chlark.

[Mickey_Bickey]

I blame poor ratings on the fact it was a boring episode. No Clois little Chloe and Clana. I hated the last few minutes of this episode.


It's not a wonder people wanted to watch a new show instead of SV when they're revisiting the same old Clana drama!

[Kid Collins]

It's not a wonder people wanted to watch a new show instead of SV when they're revisiting the same old Clana drama!

Think what you want.

SV's lower ratings have NOTHING to do with Clana.


The demo ratings are actually going up compared to when Lana was gone from the show.

CW is probably glad that Lana came back. :D

[Mickey_Bickey]

Think what you want.

SV's lower ratings have NOTHING to do with Clana.


The demo ratings are actually going up compared to when Lana was gone from the show.

CW is probably glad that Lana came back. :D

Overall ratings are down, and that's what counts. It's not cholesterol where talking here!:lol:

Clana = Bad ratings.

[Kid Collins]

Overall ratings are down, and that's what counts. It's not cholesterol where talking here!:lol:

Clana = Bad ratings.

Bullcrap!

Overall ratings fell because of Bones.

And what's more important is that DEMO RATINGS are going up!

Trust me CW is happy that Lana is back. :lol:

[celita]

If Power its worst in ratings we can prove the thoery of the bad ratings....lets wait until next friday and then we can talk.

If it goes lowr its definelty no Bones foult..

I eman Smalvlille has been against Survivor.....SURVIVOR....and it hasn't been that bad like now

[davidbrenton]

Bullcrap!

Overall ratings fell because of Bones.

And what's more important is that DEMO RATINGS are going up!

Trust me CW is happy that Lana is back. :lol:

I hope you are correct for Bones sake. So, what are the demo ratings? (I mean the number, not a definition).

[Kid Collins]

If Power its worst in ratings we can prove the thoery of the bad ratings....lets wait until next friday and then we can talk.

If it goes lowr its definelty no Bones foult..

I eman Smalvlille has been against Survivor.....SURVIVOR....and it hasn't been that bad like now

Survivor isn't a competition for SV's ratings.

Bones OTH, IS competition.

You will realize that even after Lana leaves. Trust me.

SV's rising tv ratings ARE OVER!! Guaranteed.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Bullcrap!

Overall ratings fell because of Bones.

And what's more important is that DEMO RATINGS are going up!

Trust me CW is happy that Lana is back. :lol:

Right!! People would rather watch bones than Clana!:lol:

[Kid Collins]

Right!! People would rather watch bones than Clana!:lol:


AND they'll rather watch Bones than Clois!

I guess were even! :lol:

[Mickey_Bickey]

AND they'll rather watch Bones than Clois!

I guess were even! :lol:


Clois wasn't in this episode, remember?:lol:

Clana might as well be the grim reaper!;)

[davidbrenton]

AND they'll rather watch Bones than Clois!

I guess were even! :lol:

We'll see when Lois returns. Can't laugh till there's proof, bud.

[Kid Collins]

We'll see when Lois returns. Can't laugh till there's proof, bud.

I'll bet money the ratings for SV will definitely be lower.

Guaranteed.

It is OVER.

[ticker]

Wahoo. I had guessed 4.05 but said I would NOT be surprised it was lower. I honestly am happy the ratings are lower so they can recognize what a collasol mistake bringing Lana back was. The part that really is a shame is that it was a great episode.

The Lana just should have been switched with Lois.

I totally agree.

[myankskent]

SV's rising tv ratings ARE OVER!! Guaranteed.

That's not really a groundbreaking prediction since SV's ratings rarely increase during the second half of the season, whether Bones is up against it or not.

[celita]

Survivor isn't a competition for SV's ratings.

Bones OTH, IS competition.

You will realize that even after Lana leaves. Trust me.

SV's rising tv ratings ARE OVER!! Guaranteed.


Survivor HAS been Smallville competition before and they had been just fine and Survivor drives more viewers than Bones

"SV's rising tv ratings ARE OVER!! Guaranteed".....where I have heard this before......

Yes when MR and KK left......so no I don't trust you:rotfl:

[Kid Collins]

That's not really a groundbreaking prediction since SV's ratings rarely increase during the second half of the season, whether Bones is up against it or not.


That's what I said previously.

But obviously some people in here refuse to believe that.

[davidbrenton]

I'll bet money the ratings for SV will definitely be lower.

Guaranteed.

It is OVER.

Not interested in your money. I'll take u up on the bet that ratings will/won't be better upon Lois' return.

The winner must post "I see the Light" messages regarding which ship is better entertainment (The winner's ship).

If you accept my challenge, post "Accept" in your next message.

[Tatiana]

Survivor isn't a competition for SV's ratings.

Bones OTH, IS competition.

You will realize that even after Lana leaves. Trust me.

SV's rising tv ratings ARE OVER!! Guaranteed.


We'll see when Lois comes back and we get more Chloe too and more of the Supermanly Clark

[Mickey_Bickey]

They probably wouldn't be "as bad" though if Clana wasn't being revisited. It's so griding to watch, even though it was all but a couple of scenes. It's the whole been there seen that let's move on mantality.

I bet the ratings will go up from these numbers when the Infamous and Hex episodes air. TW is directing Hex, so no doubt it's going to be a really good episode, and Infamous is going to be "SUPER" with the spoilers we have for that, not to mention the one and only.....Lois Lane!

[celita]

Well I KNOW that at least Power and Requiem WILL be lower :P so tehcnically she is right

[davidbrenton]

That's not really a groundbreaking prediction since SV's ratings rarely increase during the second half of the season, whether Bones is up against it or not.

RIGHT, which explains Legion's high ratings relative to 1H S8, oh wait...no, it really doesn't.

[celita]

We'll see when Lois comes back and we get more Chloe too and more of the Supermanly Clark
And we have 4 weeks for damage control....Bullletproof - Requiem = Promise

So CW should learn from the past and make damage control bofero this stupid arc drags all the season and a posible next with it to the holw

[Tatiana]

I think it does matter when people know it is all Lana, Clana oriented, most people knew this episode was gonna have Lana Clark kiss or something similar, and the majority of the fans are kinda tired of it, I personally have never hated Lana like some people do, but I have tired of the Clana emotional rollecoaster, and it was getting much fun when there was a sexual romantic tension between Lois and Clark, and I really hated the way he reacted when Chloe mentioned Lois and said not to hurt her, what a jerk

[myankskent]

RIGHT, which explains Legion's high ratings relative to 1H S8, oh wait...no, it really doesn't.

"Legion" was still technically the first half of the season. The ratings generally go down after episodes 12-14, somewhere in there.

[Tatiana]

And we have 4 weeks for damage control....Bullletproof - Requiem = Promise

So CW should learn from the past and make damage control bofero this stupid arc drags all the season and a posible next with it to the holw


I doubt they will leave because they keep bringing stupid shows like 90210 and apparently now they want Melrose, yuck

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"Legion" was still technically the first half of the season. The ratings generally go down after episodes 12-14, somewhere in there.


and it was Clark being superman in the future oriented, with a lot of Chloe playing Brainiac and of course Legion, and people knew it'd be good and they were curious

[celita]

RIGHT, which explains Legion's high ratings relative to 1H S8, oh wait...no, it really doesn't.

Really Legion was actually up and it was steady for the ratings that we were having on the 1st Half, it did better that some....and suddenly the ratings drop like 500,000 just like that? and it was not preempted in any market?

With Survivor as competition this never happened I doubt that its Bones foult

[Tatiana]

I agree, i guess we will have to see how the ratings behave next episode, at least we'll have in our favor that Allison is the director no?

[davidbrenton]

Not interested in your money. I'll take u up on the bet that ratings will/won't be better upon Lois' return.

The winner must post "I see the Light" messages regarding which ship is better entertainment (The winner's ship).

If you accept my challenge, post "Accept" in your next message.

Kid Collins,

If you accept my challenge, I propose the following rules: For me to win, the first three episodes with Lois in them must have 1) consistently increasing ratings AND 2) all of their ratings have to beat the average ratings for Bullet Proof and Power combined. In any other scenario, you win.

Do you accept my challenge?

[celita]

"Legion" was still technically the first half of the season. The ratings generally go down after episodes 12-14, somewhere in there.
I don't think its issue of 1H or 2H its most about time period by this time in other seasons the 1st episode after the hiatus usually drops no mattering of its part or not of an arc. Its about time, fisrt epsiode on January usually gets hurt because of the hiatus with cliffhanger from the previous one included- Legion didn't

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I agree, i guess we will have to see how the ratings behave next episode, at least we'll have in our favor that Allison is the director no?

well that's relative if you ask me cause a actor becoming director is never that adversited.

[myankskent]

Kid Collins,

If you accept my challenge, I propose the following rules: For me to win, the first three episodes with Lois in them must have 1) consistently increasing ratings AND 2) all of their ratings have to beat the average ratings for Bullet Proof and Power combined. In any other scenario, you win.

Do you accept my challenge?

I wouldn't make that challenge and here's why. After Lana's final episode, this show is going to have another hiatus of about three weeks. Then in the four episodes that will air in the next run, Lois is only in two of them. It's hard to make an argument about Lois being the reason for the ratings when she's only in every other episode. Also, let's say for the sake of argument that this Clana arc is annoying people. That could also cause people to not watch when Smallville returns in March. JMHO.

[Tatiana]

well that's relative if you ask me cause a actor becoming director is never that adversited.[/quote]


True I guess the fans that come here, or maybe that really follow the show will know this :) well I do hope the ratings don't drop too much

[davidbrenton]

I wouldn't make that challenge and here's why. After Lana's final episode, this show is going to have another hiatus of about three weeks. Then in the four episodes that will air in the next run, Lois is only in two of them. It's hard to make an argument about Lois being the reason for the ratings when she's only in every other episode. Also, let's say for the sake of argument that this Clana arc is annoying people. That could also cause people to not watch when Smallville returns in March. JMHO.

I know that Lois' makes "every other episode" appearances, but I'm knowingly banking on the fact the her "general return" will increase ratings, and only counting the episodes she is in against the average ratings for Bullet Proof and Power. I know it won;t be until the end of March/early april for this challenge to be over, however, I strongly believe in my case, and I'm looking for a sure fire way to prove it. If this occurs, given it's inherent liabilities, I'm hoping to be proven correct.

I have no issue posting "I see the light" messages, btw,:)

[myankskent]

I don't think its issue of 1H or 2H its most about time period by this time in other seasons the 1st episode after the hiatus usually drops no mattering of its part or not of an arc. Its about time, fisrt epsiode on January usually gets hurt because of the hiatus with cliffhanger from the previous one included- Legion didn't


Well, I think that there are a few reasons why "Legion" didn't drop. The first is that "Abyss" really killed the ratings back in November. Then "Bride" wasn't really able to recover from there. Also, "Legion" had the continuation of the Doomsday plot and Chloiac plot along with the introduction of the LOSH. The episode also had a decent amount of promotion.

[celita]

I wouldn't make that challenge and here's why. After Lana's final episode, this show is going to have another hiatus of about three weeks. Then in the four episodes that will air in the next run, Lois is only in two of them. It's hard to make an argument about Lois being the reason for the ratings when she's only in every other episode. Also, let's say for the sake of argument that this Clana arc is annoying people. That could also cause people to not watch when Smallville returns in March. JMHO.
all depends in how The CW approach the promtion and I hate to admitt it but for better or for worse Tori Spelling will bring once again some spotlight to SV and Infamous without bringing spoilers here has all those elements of Superman that are definetly bizz worthy

[davidbrenton]

all depends in how The CW approach the promtion and I hate to admitt it but for better or for worse Tori Spelling will bring once again some spotlight to SV and Infamous without bringing spoilers here has all those elements of Superman that are definetly bizz worthy

Exactly, Tori Spelling will bring in viewers (Just like Legion promotion, comic writer), but Lois will keep them throughout the next string of episodes. UNLIKE BulletProof.

[celita]

Well, I think that there are a few reasons why "Legion" didn't drop. The first is that "Abyss" really killed the ratings back in November. Then "Bride" wasn't really able to recover from there. Also, "Legion" had the continuation of the Doomsday plot and Chloiac plot along with the introduction of the LOSH. The episode also had a decent amount of promotion.

Ok I know but even though Legion coiuld mantain the "good" word of the season 1st half thing that not all the episodes that debute on January could do and bringing a cliffhager behind them as "sponsor" as well

[myankskent]

all depends in how The CW approach the promtion and I hate to admitt it but for better or for worse Tori Spelling will bring once again some spotlight to SV and Infamous without bringing spoilers here has all those elements of Superman that are definetly bizz worthy

Maybe. I'm just always very hesitant to say that the ratings will increase during the second half of any Smallville season. I look back to just last year with "Descent". The episode had a good trailer showing the Lex/Lionel scenes. Lex killing Lionel was one of the biggest moments of this series and it didn't break 4 million. It was kind of sad.

[davidbrenton]

Maybe. I'm just always very hesitant to say that the ratings will increase during the second half of any Smallville season. I look back to just last year with "Descent". The episode had a good trailer showing the Lex/Lionel scenes. Lex killing Lionel was one of the biggest moments of this series and it didn't break 4 million. It was kind of sad.

I think mostly it occurred because people had been exhausted by the whole Lex/Clark/Lana/Lionel thing. It's done, we're over it. S7 decline proved that. We are over Smallville as it had been constructed for 7 years. We want Superman mythos, Clark/Lois/Crime fighting - the payoff, if you will, for actually watching all the years prior.

[celita]

For me last year was a total atipic case, we had some many stuff against like the WGA and Smallvilel wasn't the only show that suffered so i am willing to forgive anything ratings wise that happened last season

[davidbrenton]

For me last year was a total atipic case, we had some many stuff against like the WGA and Smallvilel wasn't the only show that suffered so i am willing to forgive anything ratings wise that happened last season

However, Smallville doesn't really fit into the whole WGA problem. It was the longest running show (New episodes-wise) that kept going well into the strike (It actually completed 20 of the initially planned 22 episodes). It was showing new shows up until the strike was over.

But, yes, overall, the strike induced a lower total amount of viewers on nearly every show.

[Mickey_Bickey]

This is all part of Dawn's Master Plan to sabotage Smallville!!

It's well known that Dawn hates this show, because it wasn't part of her trashy line up of shows.

So, of course she's happy to have Clana back, because she knows that the ratings will go down hill with that old stale storyline that no one wants to watch. That gives her all the amunition she needs to cancel the show based on the fact it's not doing well!! It's perfect! Drive the viewers away with the Clana arc, get them interested in another show in the process so that they don't return ever again! Bravo Dawn! You pulled one out of the hat!

[ClarkyBoy14]

The demo ratings are actually going up compared to when Lana was gone from the show.

Actually, the 18-34 (1.4) and 18-49 (1.6) y/o demo ratings were down slightly for "Bulletproof." Do you have any of the demo ratings besides those so we can compare them?

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If Power its worst in ratings we can prove the thoery of the bad ratings....lets wait until next friday and then we can talk.

If it goes lowr its definelty no Bones foult..

Won't be Bones, but it could be American Idol's fault. Remember, television's number one show will be up against Smallville next week. We'll also have to take into account the fact that CW's trailer at the end of "Bulletproof" was the same as the one at the end of "Legion," which could cause people to think Smallville will be a repeat.

[petitemimi]

This is all part of Dawn's Master Plan to sabotage Smallville!!

It's well known that Dawn hates this show, because it wasn't part of her trashy line up of shows.

So, of course she's happy to have Clana back, because she knows that the ratings will go down hill with that old stale storyline that no one wants to watch. That gives her all the amunition she needs to cancel the show based on the fact it's not doing well!! It's perfect! Drive the viewers away with the Clana arc, get them interested in another show in the process so that they don't return ever again! Bravo Dawn! You pulled one out of the hat!

:lol: I think you got it right! Since they're looking so hard for a spin-off, they could do the Lana show. Oh, wait, it's called Smallville! Obviously, the title is misleading. :rolleyes:

[Mickey_Bickey]

:lol: I think you got it right! Since they're looking so hard for a spin-off, they could do the Lana show. Oh, wait, it's called Smallville! Obviously, the title is misleading. :rolleyes:

Yeah, even with a catchy name like Lana-Fu it wouldn't draw much in the way of viewers.:(:lol:

[celita]

Actually, the 18-34 (1.4) and 18-49 (1.6) y/o demo ratings were down slightly for "Bulletproof." Do you have any of the demo ratings besides those so we can compare them?

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Won't be Bones, but it could be American Idol's fault. Remember, television's number one show will be up against Smallville next week. We'll also have to take into account the fact that CW's trailer at the end of "Bulletproof" was the same as the one at the end of "Legion," which could cause people to think Smallville will be a repeat.
Hadn't been Smallville against AI before?

[JAMHEXXX]

I wouldn't make that challenge and here's why. After Lana's final episode, this show is going to have another hiatus of about three weeks. Then in the four episodes that will air in the next run, Lois is only in two of them. It's hard to make an argument about Lois being the reason for the ratings when she's only in every other episode. Also, let's say for the sake of argument that this Clana arc is annoying people. That could also cause people to not watch when Smallville returns in March. JMHO.

I would take the challenge. People want Lois/Clois and they will return when she comes back. Don't listen to the naysayers.

Season 8 has attracted many new viewers this year and I guarantee that most of them were attracted due to Clois.

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Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.15 mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil. & Live+7=4.69 mil.

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil.

#12 Bulletproof ~ *3.85 mil.


Thanks to Marcella for cracking the Bride Live+7 code! ;)

Those are not the Live +7 numbers for Bride!

Those are season to date numbers.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Those are not the Live +7 numbers for Bride!

Those are season to date numbers.
You're right, thanks for checking. this is what was said:

"I still haven’t seen weekly Live+7 program numbers for either November 17-23 or November 24-30 from Nielsen, but strangely we do have season to date (STD) numbers through November 30, so this post is different than most of our DVR posts in that it contains season to date DVR viewing data not weekly viewing data. Regular readers will note the “Most Current” column instead of the typical “Live+7″ column. “Most Current” DVR data includes all the available weeks of Live+7 data plus the more recent weeks Live+SD data."

So, lets take it off of my Chart:)

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Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.15 mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil.

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil.

#12 Bulletproof ~ *3.85 mil.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Hadn't been Smallville against AI before?

Not since Smallville has been airing on the CW. I don't know whether it has or not when Smallville was on the WB.

[curiosity]

Bulletproof's ratings have NOTHING to do with Clana.

I said here that Bones will take a chunk of SV's ratings. And I was right. Bones took first place in the 8:00 pm timeslot.

This show is lucky that Fox network didn't move Bones earlier like in the beginning of the tv season.

That said, according to Media Week :

Early Ratings


The CW capped off the evening with its combination of Smallville (#5: 2.5/ 4), which seems to have perked up in recent weeks, and the compatible Supernatural (#5: 2.1/ 3).

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_display/community/programming-insider/newsletters/e3i8e1f30d51da4f8e8ad1a63fd4a7a1649

Now why would Media Week praise SV's ratings when it's lower than last weeks?

It's probably because SV's desired demographic ratings have gone up! Younger viewers are tuning in lately which is good for the SV and CW.


There are several people on this thread saying they didn't watch because of Clana and one of them is me. I watched Bulletproof, but forget to watch Smallville for the first time ever for Legion, I just didn't want to watch Clana, I thought that was the "kiss" episode, just haven't kept up on it. And the Superman home page review, spends half the review ranting about not being able to stomach Lana. So, yes, a lot of it is Lana. There are other reviews also, saying things like hold on, Lana's boring character will be back out the door soon. Or something very similiar. We're not the only ones.

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And why is Lois only in 2 episodes when it comes back in March?

[SparkleforSmallville]

If people aren't watching the episodes, because of a few scenes of Clana, then they are missing some really good scenes and really cool Superhero stuff. Even if I don't like some aspects of an episode, I don't scrap the whole thing, what a waste! IMHO:)

The look, Clark gave the cop that was about to shoot him, was priceless!

[ClarkyBoy14]

The look, Clark gave the cop that was about to shoot him, was priceless!

He was like, "Are you sure you wanna do that, pal?" :lol:

[SparkleforSmallville]

He was like, "Are you sure you wanna do that, pal?" :lol:

Exactly! :lol:

[Timester]

People, lets all focused on the REAL problem. It's not about characters or ships. It's about PROMOTION.

Face it, Bulletproof promotion sucked balls. Where was it? It was ONE small trailer, with Clark arrested for John's shooting.

This is a CW problem (or non-problem, considering their attitude towards the show), no one else.

[costas22]

Timester,with all due respect,there wasn't anything else for them to promote.That's what happens when your episodes aren't captivating.And they did show a trailer all right.Apart from the 10 second trailer of Clark getting arrested,they had a 20 second trailer with scenes from Bulletproof,Power and maybe Requiem.These episodes are not good enough to be promoted on their own.Last night they did the same thing with Power.A 10 second trailer.

[Timester]

Timester,with all due respect,there wasn't anything else for them to promote.That's what happens when your episodes aren't captivating.And they did show a trailer all right.Apart from the 10 second trailer of Clark getting arrested,they had a 20 second trailer with scenes from Bulletproof,Power and maybe Requiem.These episodes are not good enough to be promoted on their own.Last night they did the same thing with Power.A 10 second trailer.

There was alot to promote. The car chasing, Dan Turpin, the corrupt cops, Green Arrow and Clark's action.

[costas22]

Definitely there was a lot of action.However it didn't feature anything to keep Superman fans interested.Not all fans are as patient as you and me.They want Clois,Clark flying and other Superman referrences each and every week.

[davidbrenton]

You guys, we can't start building in excuses because Smallville has competition. Come on! That's the name of the game. Let's keep the competition out of the equation, and just focus on Smallville and what it's doing.

[costas22]

That's what i am saying David.The show will always have competition.I think some years ago it had Survivor against it and it did well.That's why i am saying that the ratings have dropped primarily because Bulletproof was a major letdown after Legion.

[kaam]

You're right, thanks for checking. this is what was said:

"I still haven’t seen weekly Live+7 program numbers for either November 17-23 or November 24-30 from Nielsen, but strangely we do have season to date (STD) numbers through November 30, so this post is different than most of our DVR posts in that it contains season to date DVR viewing data not weekly viewing data. Regular readers will note the “Most Current” column instead of the typical “Live+7″ column. “Most Current” DVR data includes all the available weeks of Live+7 data plus the more recent weeks Live+SD data."

So, lets take it off of my Chart:)

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Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.15 mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil.

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil.

#12 Bulletproof ~ *3.85 mil.


Oooh! That's bad. The second lowest rating episode!! :(:(

[alejandrita439]

i hope they dont get lower next week :S

[doodie8808]

i do to get sluttyana away!i hope ratings drop bad!

[smallvillerocks45]

Smallville is my favorite show on television, I'm sticking with it to the end. I hope that ratings do go up next week, but with all the Clana hate I have seen lately, I won't be surprised if the numbers stay the same.

Lois is coming back, Lana is leaving - this show isn't just about Clark's love life, so why try to hurt the ratings by not watching when we know what's going to happen? To each his/her own - it's your prerogative... I just try to enjoy the ride - but I don't own a TiVo or a Neilson's TV, so I don't know that my vote counts anyway. All I know is that I love this show, and through thick and thin, I'm sticking with it.

[Tatiana]

well said, same here

[Cage]

My avatar is the answer to why the ratings fell.

Great avitar - great sentiment :rotfl::lol::eek:

[LoveHurts38]

Bloodline is still the highest rated episode so far for S8.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Bloodline is still the highest rated episode so far for S8.


No surprise there! It was a great episode! "No one messes with Lois and Clark"!

[ClarkyBoy14]

You guys, we can't start building in excuses because Smallville has competition. Come on! That's the name of the game. Let's keep the competition out of the equation, and just focus on Smallville and what it's doing.

I think it would be a mistake on our part to not recognize the fact that SV went up against heavier competition this week than it did last week--including a show it has never faced before--and that last week's episode had much more hype.

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C/Lana could have been a contributing factor to the drop; however, there are more factors to take into account.

[tyson08]

Bloodline is still the highest rated episode so far for S8.

Re-watching that and Commited have made me realize, I miss Lois. She's so witty and brings some amusement that's much needed right now.

[Kreukie]

"SV's rising tv ratings ARE OVER!! Guaranteed".....where I have heard this before......

Yes when MR and KK left......so no I don't trust you:rotfl:

Smallville's ratings, before episode 8.10 of this season were lower than last season's ratings at the same time. Smallville didn't manage to do better than season 7 in those episodes, the rating did NOT raise, Smallville did NOT bring in more viewers as compared to last season in the episodes before 8.10. So that quote you quoted and poked fun at, was right when it came to the episodes before 8.10.

Now from episode 8.10 and on, all those episodes have done better than season 7, Smallville's ratings raised! Take a look...

Season 7:

1. Bizzaro- Viewers: 5.1 million - HIGHER
2. Kara - Viewers: 4.6 million - HIGHER
3. Fierce - Viewers: 4.8 million - HIGHER
4. Cure - Viewers: 5.1 million - HIGHER
5. Action - Viewers: 4.7 million - HIGHER
6. Lara - Viewers: 4.3 million - HIGHER
7. Wrath - Viewers: 4.6 million - HIGHER
8. Blue - Viewers: 4.5 million - SAME
9. Gemini - Viewers: 3.8 million - HIGHER
10. Persona - Viewers: 3.8 million - LOWER
11. Siren - Viewers: 4.0 million - LOWER
12. Fracture - Viewers: 3.7 million - LOWER

Season 8:

1. Odyssey - Viewers: 4.4 million - LOWER
2. Plastique - Viewers: 4.1 million - LOWER
3. Toxic - Viewers: 4.0 million - LOWER
4. Instinct - Viewers: 4.1 million - LOWER
5. Commitment - Viewers: 4.2 million - LOWER
6. Prey - Viewers: 4.2 million - LOWER
7. Identity - Viewers: 4.2 million - LOWER
8. Bloodline - Viewers: 4.5 million - SAME
9. Abyss - Viewers: 3.6 million - LOWER
10. Bride - Viewers: 4.2 million - HIGHER
11. Legion - Viewers: 4.3 million - HIGHER
12. Bulletproof - Viewers: 3.8 million - HIGHER

Now as it's been said countless times in this thread and it continues to be overlooked, it's a normal trend for the second half for the numbers to drop from the first half.

Look at the numbers for shows on other networks.

"My Name Is Earl" and "CSI" both on different networks:

"My Name is Earl" did 7.18 million with a REPEAT on Jan/15 and did 6.50 million on Jan/22

"CSI" did 15.78 on Jan/15 with a REPEAT and 8.60 on Jan/22.

The numbers are on the main page of K-Site.

Now again, what makes these past three episodes of Smallville ratings impressive is there the ONLY episodes in this season that have done better than last season's episodes around the same time.

And if it's true that the demos have risen in these past episodes as compared to the episodes before 8.10 (I haven't looked), then that's also good because better demos means more advertisers buying spots for Smallville, meaning more money for CW and Smallville.

[curiosity]

I'll be watching. But I don't like no Lois...grrrrr.

[Ellsbury]

As a true Smallville fan I am sad ratings are going down...

But that being said, I just can't help smiling at the simultaneity between Lana's return and ratings' weakness.

[Kreukie]

But that being said, I just can't help smiling at the simultaneity between Lana's return and ratings' weakness.

The ratings have been weak all season, it wasn't until these past three episodes that the ratings have picked up as compared to last season's episode from around this time...look at my above post.

Ratings normally fall around this time for every show, look at the numbers for "My Name is Earl" and "CSI" that I posted above.

Also I looked and the demo for these episodes are high, Smallville came at #4 with Bulletproof, that's something that'll make CW smile, because they're seeing dollar signs.

[zHeN_zHeN]

Bloodline is still the highest rated episode so far for S8.
Interesting. I guess we need LV to come back! That would be cool. :)

Anyway, I hope the ratings go up. I can see it getting better for the next 2 episodes, especially for KK's last episode.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Also I looked and the demo for these episodes are high, Smallville came at #1 with Bulletproof, that's something that'll make CW smile, because they're seeing dollar signs.

Do you have a link? Which demo are you talking about? Smallville came in last in the 18-49 demo and came in fourth in the 18-34 demo. That's about normal for Smallville, nothing special.

[tyson08]

The reason why the ratings took a hit are because this storyline/arc has nothing to do with the first 10 episodes. I'm re-watching the beginning of Season 8 and it's terrific and it connects each episode and has continuity. It seems like 'Bulletproof-Requiem' just doesn't really have anything to do with what they were bringing to the picture for the first ten episodes. It's like episodes 12-14 will just be closing out Season 7 and not continuing the amazing season 8 storylines. I'm hoping that once Lois comes back for 'Infamous' the feel and arcs from the beginning of the season will be back.

[Timester]

The reason why the ratings took a hit are because this storyline/arc has nothing to do with the first 10 episodes. I'm re-watching the beginning of Season 8 and it's terrific and it connects each episode and has continuity. It seems like 'Bulletproof-Requiem' just doesn't really have anything to do with what they were bringing to the picture for the first ten episodes. It's like episodes 12-14 will just be closing out Season 7 and not continuing the amazing season 8 storylines. I'm hoping that once Lois comes back for 'Infamous' the feel and arcs from the beginning of the season will be back.

Nothing? John Jones without powers, the Red-Blue Blur? Isn't the Red-Blue Blur a main arc this season?

[tyson08]

Nothing? John Jones without powers, the Red-Blue Blur? Isn't the Red-Blue Blur a main arc this season?

I should have corrected myself. I meant that everything connected with Lana is making this part of the season different from earlier. They have dropped Clark and Lois' story, Lana is now going to have super-powers, Clark is back in love with Lana, Jimmy is missing (we know why but it's weird he's gone for 5 episodes), no mention of 'X'.

Clark's storyline in 'Bulletproof' seemed to have the beginning of Season 8 feel but I'm more worried about what they are going to do with him regarding Lana. I just feel differently about it, no big deal if you disagree with me.

[LoveHurts38]

Smallville's ratings, before episode 8.10 of this season were lower than last season's ratings at the same time. Smallville didn't manage to do better than season 7 in those episodes, the rating did NOT raise, Smallville did NOT bring in more viewers as compared to last season in the episodes before 8.10. So that quote you quoted and poked fun at, was right when it came to the episodes before 8.10.

Now from episode 8.10 and on, all those episodes have done better than season 7, Smallville's ratings raised! Take a look...

Season 7:

1. Bizzaro- Viewers: 5.1 million - HIGHER
2. Kara - Viewers: 4.6 million - HIGHER
3. Fierce - Viewers: 4.8 million - HIGHER
4. Cure - Viewers: 5.1 million - HIGHER
5. Action - Viewers: 4.7 million - HIGHER
6. Lara - Viewers: 4.3 million - HIGHER
7. Wrath - Viewers: 4.6 million - HIGHER
8. Blue - Viewers: 4.5 million - SAME
9. Gemini - Viewers: 3.8 million - HIGHER
10. Persona - Viewers: 3.8 million - LOWER
11. Siren - Viewers: 4.0 million - LOWER
12. Fracture - Viewers: 3.7 million - LOWER

Season 8:

1. Odyssey - Viewers: 4.4 million - LOWER
2. Plastique - Viewers: 4.1 million - LOWER
3. Toxic - Viewers: 4.0 million - LOWER
4. Instinct - Viewers: 4.1 million - LOWER
5. Commitment - Viewers: 4.2 million - LOWER
6. Prey - Viewers: 4.2 million - LOWER
7. Identity - Viewers: 4.2 million - LOWER
8. Bloodline - Viewers: 4.5 million - SAME
9. Abyss - Viewers: 3.6 million - LOWER
10. Bride - Viewers: 4.2 million - HIGHER
11. Legion - Viewers: 4.3 million - HIGHER
12. Bulletproof - Viewers: 3.8 million - HIGHER

Now as it's been said countless times in this thread and it continues to be overlooked, it's a normal trend for the second half for the numbers to drop from the first half.

Look at the numbers for shows on other networks.

"My Name Is Earl" and "CSI" both on different networks:

"My Name is Earl" did 7.18 million with a REPEAT on Jan/15 and did 6.50 million on Jan/22

"CSI" did 15.78 on Jan/15 with a REPEAT and 8.60 on Jan/22.

The numbers are on the main page of K-Site.

Now again, what makes these past three episodes of Smallville ratings impressive is there the ONLY episodes in this season that have done better than last season's episodes around the same time.

And if it's true that the demos have risen in these past episodes as compared to the episodes before 8.10 (I haven't looked), then that's also good because better demos means more advertisers buying spots for Smallville, meaning more money for CW and Smallville.

Thanks for breakdown but, S7 is over with it's S8 why live in the past;)

[Timester]

They have dropped Clark and Lois' story, Lana is now going to have super-powers, Clark is back in love with Lana, Jimmy is missing (we know why but it's weird he's gone for 5 episodes), no mention of 'X'.

They haven't dropped the Clark and Lois' story (Chloe talked about it), Lana is not going to have super-powers, we don't know if Clark is "in love" with Lana, Jimmy is in a coma and the season is still on its half, so X plot still have time to be resolved.

That's the problem with this episode, everything is being exagerated and overlooked, without what really happened being focused.

[tyson08]

They haven't dropped the Clark and Lois' story (Chloe talked about it), Lana is not going to have super-powers, we don't know if Clark is "in love" with Lana, Jimmy is in a coma and the season is still on its half, so X plot still have time to be resolved.

That's the problem with this episode, everything is being exagerated and overlooked, without what really happened being focused.

That's your opinion and I have my own. I don't see why you feel the need to argue with me about it? I just have a lot of questions up in the air about what's going on in the upcoming episodes. ;)

[Timester]

That's your opinion and I have my own. I don't see why you feel the need to argue with me about it? I just have a lot of questions up in the air about what's going on in the upcoming episodes. ;)

Opinion? :confused:

I was stating facts.

[Clana Kent]

Opinion? :confused:

I was stating facts.
It's not true what you said about Lana not having superpowers, because it is shown in de DC that she does have strength and speed (might be temporary)

[Timester]

It's not true what you said about Lana not having superpowers, because it is shown in de DC that she does have strength and speed (might be temporary)

Lana doesn't have powers, it's the Power Suit that gives them.

[Clana Kent]

I KNOW, but you said literally: "Lana is not going to have superpowers"... But she will! If it's caused by the suit or not, she WILL have superpowers!

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I think mostly it occurred because people had been exhausted by the whole Lex/Clark/Lana/Lionel thing. It's done, we're over it. S7 decline proved that. We are over Smallville as it had been constructed for 7 years. We want Superman mythos, Clark/Lois/Crime fighting - the payoff, if you will, for actually watching all the years prior.
You say "we", but that doesn't include all of us ;)

Season 8 has been great so far and it seems like it's going to be great for the rest of the season. :D But I've liked Smallville VERY much the first 7 seasons! :) I'm not really into the mythos, but I'd hate to see L&C being repeated on Smallville! It's been great so far, but I'm a little bit frightened that a possible season 9 would be too much like that.. ;)
Also, I wasn't exhausted by the Lex/Clark/Lana Lionel triangle at all! :)

Where do you get your information from that people didn't like that? ;) I doesn't include me and I think there are many more like me that do not agree with you ;)

[Kreukie]

Thanks for breakdown but, S7 is over with it's S8 why live in the past;)

If one can't compare past seasons with the ratings of this season, then how can anyone say the ratings in the first half were good or that people want to watch plot A over plot B or character A over character B or ship A over ship B, which I'm reading A LOT of in this thread, when there's no comparing being done with past seasons of the series? :confused:

The overlooking of the rating drop around this time is very overwhelming in this thread. Only a few seems to want to admit it. Again look at the numbers for both "My Name Is Earl" and "CSI", both on different networks:

"My Name is Earl" did 7.18 million with a REPEAT on Jan/15 and did 6.50 million on Jan/22

"CSI" did 15.78 on Jan/15 with a REPEAT and 8.60 on Jan/22.

Their numbers dropped as well for those series. Not just Smallville.

[Timester]

MR and KK left the show. Lionel was killed and Kara was sent to the PZ. We can't compare season 8 with past seasons, because two of the main players and two other loved characters are gone.

[Kreukie]

MR and KK left the show. Lionel was killed and Kara was sent to the PZ. We can't compare season 8 with past seasons, because two of the main players and two other loved characters are gone.

Ironic the episode that did almost as well as season 7 in the first half is the episode where Kara returned. ;)

I won't bring up season 7, if others wouldn't either... I've read enough members say Clois or Lois or whatever helped bring up the ratings for the first half of this season after the rating declined from season 7. Funny how that's not corrected or overlooked, it's actually celebrated. :lol:

Anyway still doesn't change the fact that the ratings dropped for other series as well on other networks, not just Smallville's last week.

[tyson08]

It's not true what you said about Lana not having superpowers, because it is shown in de DC that she does have strength and speed (might be temporary)

Thank you for that information. :)

[Timester]

I won't bring up season 7, if others wouldn't either... I've read enough members say Clois or Lois or whatever helped bring up the ratings for the first half of this season after the rating declined from season 7. Funny how that's not corrected or overlooked, it's actually celebrated. :lol:

But I already did said that, back in Odyssey. I'm just not going to repeat myself every week.

[battlecat403@yahoo.com]

Ratings are down. I'm not surprised, but I hope this won't affect season 9.

[davidbrenton]

I KNOW, but you said literally: "Lana is not going to have superpowers"... But she will! If it's caused by the suit or not, she WILL have superpowers!

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You say "we", but that doesn't include all of us ;)

Season 8 has been great so far and it seems like it's going to be great for the rest of the season. :D But I've liked Smallville VERY much the first 7 seasons! :) I'm not really into the mythos, but I'd hate to see L&C being repeated on Smallville! It's been great so far, but I'm a little bit frightened that a possible season 9 would be too much like that.. ;)
Also, I wasn't exhausted by the Lex/Clark/Lana Lionel triangle at all! :)

Where do you get your information from that people didn't like that? ;) I doesn't include me and I think there are many more like me that do not agree with you ;)

Okay. I was definitely speaking for myself then. I've watched SV from day one, and have thought it get's better with each passing season. I really don't even have an isue with season 7, except I was shocked to see them do the Clana thing, but felt, I guess it makes a little sense for them finally to delve into their relationship for what it is (With actually being together vs apart). That 7th season really killed clana for me because it just felt like "AGAIN!!!!", but all in all, I liked the 7th season. It began with it's weekly "cliff-hangers" are thought were cool.

In response to your L&C fear:
From my perspective, SV Lois and SV Clark are very different from their L&C counterparts. L&C was campy. SV is a full scale drama with comedic elements. Beyond that, this show actually has storylines for all of the supporting cast, which L&C did not. Therefore, I don't think this SV will be too much like L&C for those very reasons. It just wouldn't abandon everything else that is Smallville.

Your Last point:
Of course not everyone agrees with me. I don't care. Posting on these boards is fun and interesting. I don't have a golden post button which declares all of my posts true for everyone else as well.

[JAMHEXXX]

The ratings have been weak all season, it wasn't until these past three episodes that the ratings have picked up as compared to last season's episode from around this time...look at my above post.

Ratings normally fall around this time for every show, look at the numbers for "My Name is Earl" and "CSI" that I posted above.

Also I looked and the demo for these episodes are high, Smallville came at #1 with Bulletproof, that's something that'll make CW smile, because they're seeing dollar signs.


You're demo numbers are wrong. Like most of your other posts.

Here is an updated finals graph.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3501/3226557927_9a63f89671_o.jpg

[Timester]

L&C was campy.

L&C was far from campy. Its Superman part, yes, but not the rest of it. It was a very well written show romance/drama-wise, which was the main focus of it.

[llk6165]

I think mostly it occurred because people had been exhausted by the whole Lex/Clark/Lana/Lionel thing. It's done, we're over it. S7 decline proved that. We are over Smallville as it had been constructed for 7 years. We want Superman mythos, Clark/Lois/Crime fighting - the payoff, if you will, for actually watching all the years prior.


for me, I watch in support of a season 9, other than that I am one that agrees with you. Maybe I'm dense, but I found those story lines drawn out. With Lex, they did a good job of showing the inner struggle between good and evil with evil eventually winning out in lex. However, with Lionel and Lana characters, I could never figure out where they were headed or why. It's a pity, because I would have enjoyed the characters a lot more if I knew what was going on with them. I kind of just gave up for a while, and when the shift turned to Metropolis I sparked my interest that perhaps the new writers would take a shift. It is taking longer than I thought, and is perhaps due to behind the scene goings on that we are not privy to. However, I agree it contributes to ratings playing out those prior scenarios get old - at least for me.

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Where do you get your information from that people didn't like that? ;) I doesn't include me and I think there are many more like me that do not agree with you ;)[/quote]

He will have to speak for himself of course, but I did not take people to mean literally everyone who watched the show. I took it as more like a figure of speech to mean "some people." But that's just my interpretation of his post.

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I They have dropped Clark and Lois' story

I did not realized the drop the Clark-Lois story. I know thought it was just a break that would resume to some degree later this season. I must of missed that spoiler:\

[Timester]

I did not realized the drop the Clark-Lois story. I know thought it was just a break that would resume to some degree later this season. I must of missed that spoiler:\

Don't worry, you thought right.

[tyson08]

:lol:

[Supsfan]

I think the true test for how Lana effects the ratings is the next 2 episodes, if the ratings stay in the 3.7-4M range it's hard really to get an idea how she effects the ratings(I guess you would have to compare it to how the show does without her, although by time it comes back in March it will be up against Survivor as well as Bones). I do think it sort of unfair at this point to blame her for the drop in ratings, especially with Bones moving to thursdays(that being said I think it's hard to argue the positive effects of Lana because even I thought she would pull in a higher rating in her return(Bride, Legion and Bulletproof ratings have all been dissapointing to what I thought they would get, especially after the forward momentium from Toxic-> Bloodline)

If both episodes get progressively worse(and drops below 3.7M) I think it could be argued that Lana has a negative effect on the show, the same can be said if it gets progressively better(going over 4M) then that a good sign for Lana.

My guess is Power gets a worse rating but Requiem will probably jump up close to Bulletproof numbers 3.8-4M).

[galatians221]

L&C was far from campy. Its Superman part, yes, but not the rest of it. It was a very well written show romance/drama-wise, which was the main focus of it.

It was campy. The villain who locked CK's parents in a tank and threatened to reveal CK as Superman was about the campiest character there could be and he was typical. It was a horrible show. Hatcher was great but the rest of it was silly.

[llk6165]

LnC? - I vote for fun. I loved it because it was not too serious (just in case anyone asks)

[Kreukie]

You're demo numbers are wrong. Like most of your other posts.

If they're wrong, please correct me. I'm reading things and relaying them here. Information even found on this site. So if I'm wrong, correct me and show me proof why I'm wrong. Don't just say I'm wrong for the sake of it. I have no problems admitting to being wrong or correcting myself. So please stop saying that most of my posts are wrong when they aren't.

You continue to go on saying people want to watch Lois/Clark with no proof to back up those statements. Why is that okay? :lol:


Here is an updated finals graph.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3501/3226557927_9a63f89671_o.jpg

Look at those numbers, these past three episode are going up as compared to season 7.

Question, why is season 7 even on that graphic anyway? :confused:

[Night-Wolf]

I also loved L&C. It was a completly different show but it was definately far from campy. It had many great qualities, it was funny, romantic, sometimes dramatic and told us a different story of Superman that we were usually used to from comics, movies and other shows.

As for "Bulletproof"'s ratings, after watching the episode I knew that it was going to come down, but I was still hoping for at least near 4 million. I really hope that ratings get back on track or else it may compromise the future for season 9. But believe that "Power" will get a little better, it seems a very interesting episode although many seem to disagree.

[Kreukie]

I also loved L&C. It was a completly different show but it was definately far from campy. It had many great qualities, it was funny, romantic, sometimes dramatic and told us a different story of Superman that we were usually used to from comics, movies and other shows.

It's funny, back in the day I never saw Lois & Clark as being campy, but now when watching some of the episodes I can see how people can say the series was campy!

There was some really corny storylines, that back then it didn't seem corny but nowadays it does. It's just the change of time I guess?

For example if Wrath had Lana running around in a hot pink/purple suit with two big U's on it, with a mask on, calling herself Ultrawoman most of us here would had just died from the cheesiness of it all!

Yet when watching Lois & Clark, I remember loving it and thinking it was one of the greatest storyline of the series! Then again I was about 9 at the time. :lol:

[JAMHEXXX]

If they're wrong, please correct me. I'm reading things and relaying them here. Information even found on this site. So if I'm wrong, correct me and show me proof why I'm wrong. Don't just say I'm wrong for the sake of it. I have no problems admitting to being wrong or correcting myself. So please stop saying that most of my posts are wrong when they aren't.

You continue to go on saying people want to watch Lois/Clark with no proof to back up those statements. Why is that okay? :lol:



Look at those numbers, these past three episode are going up as compared to season 7.

Question, why is season 7 even on that graphic anyway? :confused:


Ok, first off, you shouldn't post things if they aren't correct. I shouldn't have to correct YOUR mistakes. Do a little FACT CHECKING if you feel the need to post FACTS.

The Demo numbers for Bulletproof are some of the lowest of Season 8 yet you say they were Number ONE for the night. Did you really believe that?:\

Here are the final numbers for Bulletproof:

- 3.850 million viewers
- 2.3/4 HH
- 1.6/4 A18-49
- 1.4/4 A18-34

Those are not the Number One demos for the night!

You have posted incorrect data continually and I have corrected you before.

[celita]

Jam which episode has had the better demos this season?

Committed?

[JAMHEXXX]

Jam which episode has had the better demos this season?

Committed?

18-49 or 18-34?

[battlecat403@yahoo.com]

Hello - I am confused by the mixed data here. Some people are saying that Bulletproof did very well. Others are saying it did not.

What are the *official* ratings and are the numbers subjective? If not, why the misinformation? Or is it about certain target groups? If it is the latter, did Bulletproof excel in *any* area or for any target group.

Thank you. I'm not at all good with numbers or ratings.

[celita]

18-49 or 18-34?

in both. I know that Committed and Odyssey had season highs oin demos especially males and Committed in women but I can't be sure (in fact I kn ow that bothe had special mentions by the WB because the excellet performances)

[battlecat403@yahoo.com]

in both. I know that Committed and Odyssey had season highs oin demos especially males and Committed in women but I can't be sure (in fact I kn ow that bothe had special mentions by the WB because the excellet performances)
It wouldn't surprise me if Committed did very well with women. That episode was very well done, from start to finish. I haven't seen such a quality episode in a long time.

Does anyone know who wrote/directed the episode?

I apologize in advance if this is a bit off topic, but I'd appreciate an answer. Thank you.

[Kreukie]

Ok, first off, you shouldn't post things if they aren't correct. I shouldn't have to correct YOUR mistakes. Do a little FACT CHECKING if you feel the need to post FACTS.

You've been posting things as though they're FACTS on this thread when they aren't, have you read your own posts?

Did you not see all the posting of you stating what people want to watch or don't want to watch? You've been posting posts like that with no proof to back any of it up.

Yet you want to get on my case for being wrong ONCE, something I correctly spoke about in another thread, believe the Legion thread. Which was the first half not doing better than season 7 and the past latest episodes actually doing better than season 7.

I spoke out incorrectly because I wasn't thinking correctly. It's was an honest mistake that I admitted to it and corrected myself in... yet you continue to dwell on it, even though you continue to speak incorrectly about what people want to watch or don't want to watch.

And not once admitted that ratings normally fall around this time or that ratings from other networks have also fallen last week, you just continue to spread your ideals of what people want or don't want to watch, even though you have no proof to back up what you're saying.


The Demo numbers for Bulletproof are some of the lowest of Season 8 yet you say they were Number ONE for the night. Did you really believe that?:\

I meant to say #4, not #1 in the 18-34 year grouo. See, I corrected myself.

It was #4, it was higher than Legion #5 and Bloodline #6.

So my point with all that, correct or not... is that even though the rating was low, the 18-34 demo was higher than the episode before it and the highest episode of the season.

18-34 demo is the most important demographic when it comes to getting advertisers cash out the dollar signs.


You have posted incorrect data continually

The pot calling the kettle black. :\

[celita]

Glen Witer direct it and Brian Miller wrote it, and yes the same Miller that worte Bulletproof

I still think he is the ebst writter Smallville has this year, great addition this epsidoe was really good if you take away the last 2 mintes 55 secs (cause the first 38 minutes and the last 4 seconds were really good)

[battlecat403@yahoo.com]

Glen Witer direct it and Brian Miller wrote it, and yes the same Miller that worte Bulletproof

I still think he is the ebst writter Smallville has this year, great addition this epsidoe was really good if you take away the last 2 mintes 55 secs (cause the first 38 minutes and the last 4 seconds were really good)
Oh thank you so much for answering my question, Celita!

[llk6165]

Is it time for a group hug?

[battlecat403@yahoo.com]

L&C was far from campy. Its Superman part, yes, but not the rest of it. It was a very well written show romance/drama-wise, which was the main focus of it.
I agree. LnC was far from campy. It had it's cheesy moments, but so has just about every science fiction based show, and for a show that aired in the 90s it didn't pretty well.

I mean look at Smallville with an episode like Thirst. That was not only cheesy but such a Buffy the Vampire Slayer ripoff.

I think most shows that run long enough have at least one or two episodes that just make people roll their eyes.

But as far as LnC goes, overall it was a very well written show. Of course, the clones storyline I could have done without. *shudders*

[JAMHEXXX]

I meant to say #4, not #1 in the 18-34 year grouo. See, I corrected myself.

It was #4, it was higher than Legion #5 and Bloodline #6.

So my point with all that, correct or not... is that even though the rating was low, the 18-34 demo was higher than the episode before it and the highest episode of the season.

18-34 demo is the most important demographic when it comes to getting advertisers cash out the dollar signs.



The pot calling the kettle black. :\

I now understand why you keep posting nonsense. You don't know what the numbers mean!:confused:

Legion wasn't #4 in the 18-34 group! That was its share :lol:!

So that MEANS that Legion only had a 4share of the 18-34 Demo, while Committed(6 share) and Bloodline (6 share) had a larger percentage of the 18-34 Demo!!


Oh man, I can't breath right now! Laughing too hard!

Oh yeah,
Bloodline had the best Demos for the year so far.

1.9/5 18-49
1.9/6 18-34

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Does anyone know who wrote/directed the episode?

I apologize in advance if this is a bit off topic, but I'd appreciate an answer. Thank you.

Bryan Miller- Writer
Glen Winter- Director

[llk6165]

You guys are too smart for me? Can someone help me balance my checkbook?:o
How 'bout that hug?

[suzieQ]

Kreukie, for those of us who have followed the ratings for years.....you have been absolutely correct. So, you made one mistake. I checked and the demo you are referring to is correct for the Smallville episodes not the Networks as a whole.....so are we all correct now? Anyway, we know all the ratings for all the episodes....the trends are evident. Things may have changed over the years in terms of collecting some of the data, but you can still make comparisons that are relevant.

Those who wish to ignore this data and the trends do so because they choose to.

[llk6165]

can someone translate for me please?

[Kreukie]

I
Legion wasn't #4 in the 18-34 group! That was its share :lol:!


I never said Legion was #4 in it's demo group! :lol:

For someone who seems all about correcting others, you sure misspeak yourself! :eek:

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Kreukie, for those of us who have followed the ratings for years.....you have been absolutely correct. So, you made one mistake. I checked and the demo you are referring to is correct for the Smallville episodes not the Networks as a whole.....so are we all correct now? Anyway, we know all the ratings for all the episodes....the trends are evident. Things may have changed over the years in terms of collecting some of the data, but you can still make comparisons that are relevant.

Those who wish to ignore this data and the trends do so because they choose to.

Thank you. :)

[JAMHEXXX]

.



I meant to say #4, not #1 in the 18-34 year grouo. See, I corrected myself.

It was #4, it was higher than Legion #5 and Bloodline #6.







What does that say?!?

You think that Bulletproof with a 4 share is higher then Legion and Bloodline which both received higher shares.

You are incorrect again!

[Kreukie]

What does that say?!?

I was talking about Bulletproof, not Legion. :p

Are we now even when it comes to correcting each other? :lol:

[suzieQ]

can someone translate for me please?

FYI:

http://tvbythenumbers.com/numbers-102

http://tvbythenumbers.com/demystifying-the-s

Some explanation of ratings and Demos.

[battlecat403@yahoo.com]

Guys, this is so confusing for us mere mortals! I'm so lost.

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FYI:

http://tvbythenumbers.com/numbers-102

http://tvbythenumbers.com/demystifying-the-s

Some explanation of ratings and Demos.
This wasn't directed at me, but thank you so much! :)

*goes off to read*

[llk6165]

FYI:

http://tvbythenumbers.com/numbers-102

http://tvbythenumbers.com/demystifying-the-s

Some explanation of ratings and Demos.

Thanks.
You can think I am stupid if you want to, but I am going to ask, because I really don't watch TV. I've seen Smallville via DVDs and online, and just now got it on my satelite.
On Thursday, if I tune in will they rating people know it, or do I need some special gizmo hooked up to my TV?

[JAMHEXXX]

I was talking about Bulletproof, not Legion. :p

Are we now even when it comes to correcting each other? :lol:

I know, you think that Bulletproof with a 4 share in the demos is better than Legion which received a 5 share in the demos.

You are incorrect YET again.

Legions numbers

- 4.299 million viewers
- 2.6/4 HH
- 1.8/5 A18-49
- 1.8/5 A18-34

Bulletproofs numbers

- 3.850 million viewers
- 2.3/4 HH
- 1.6/4 A18-49
- 1.4/4 A18-34
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Thanks.
You can think I am stupid if you want to, but I am going to ask, because I really don't watch TV. I've seen Smallville via DVDs and online, and just now got it on my satelite.
On Thursday, if I tune in will they rating people know it, or do I need some special gizmo hooked up to my TV?

You need to be a Nielsens family.

[origin]

If people aren't watching the episodes, because of a few scenes of Clana, then they are missing some really good scenes and really cool Superhero stuff. Even if I don't like some aspects of an episode, I don't scrap the whole thing, what a waste!IMHO:)

The look, Clark gave the cop that was about to shoot him, was priceless!

I completely agree with everything in this post:D

[battlecat403@yahoo.com]

I know, you think that Bulletproof with a 4 share in the demos is better than Legion which received a 5 share in the demos.

You are incorrect YET again.

Legions numbers

- 4.299 million viewers
- 2.6/4 HH
- 1.8/5 A18-49
- 1.8/5 A18-34

Bulletproofs numbers

- 3.850 million viewers
- 2.3/4 HH
- 1.6/4 A18-49
- 1.4/4 A18-34
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You need to be a Nielsens family.

Thanks Jamhexxx for all your information! You really know your stuff! I'm very impressed! :)

[Kreukie]

I know, you think that Bulletproof with a 4 share in the demos is better than Legion which received a 5 share in the demos.

You are incorrect YET again.

Legions numbers

- 4.299 million viewers
- 2.6/4 HH
- 1.8/5 A18-49
- 1.8/5 A18-34

Bulletproofs numbers

- 3.850 million viewers
- 2.3/4 HH
- 1.6/4 A18-49
- 1.4/4 A18-34


Let me correct you here.

Yes, Legion's ratings/demo are higher, but Legion's demo didn't place higher than Bulletproof's for it's week which what's important.

Networks don't care if the demo numbers themselves are higher/lower than the episode the following week, they care where the demo places as compared to other networks with series air date! Bulletproof being #4, means it ahead of one more network than Legion's demos were. Again, the viewership were down for other series/networks as well last week, not just Smallville.

I don't think it's important, I KNOW that it is. That's what advertisers look for, which is why networks are obsessed with demographics. It means more money for the network.

[JAMHEXXX]

Let me correct you here.

Yes, Legion's ratings/demo are higher, but Legion's demo didn't place higher than Bulletproof's for it's week which what's important.

Networks don't care if the demo numbers themselves are higher/lower than the episode the following week, they care where the demo places as compared to other networks with series air date! Bulletproof being #4, means it ahead of one more network than Legion's demos were. Again, the viewership were down for other series/networks as well last week, not just Smallville.

I don't think it's important, I KNOW that it is. That's what advertisers look for, which is why networks are obsessed with demographics. It means more money for the network.

That isn't its place among the networks.

THAT 4 IS THE SHARE OF THAT PARTICULAR DEMO IT RECEIVED!!!!!!!

How can you not understand this.

1.4/4 18-34

The 1.4 represents its RATING in the demo
Rating: Estimated percentage of the universe of TV households (or other specified group) tuned to a program in the average minute. Ratings are expressed as a percent.

The 4 right behind it represents its SHARE in the Demo
Share (of Audience): The percent of households (or persons) using television who are tuned to a specific program, station or network in a specific area at a specific time. (See also, Rating, which represents tuning or viewing as a percent of the entire population being measured.)

If you still don't get it.........I don't know what else to say.

[llk6165]

I have one more question, then I promise I will go to the bookstore and buy my very own copy of "Ratings 101"

Again, bottomline for me: I am pretty sure I am not a Nielson's family. I never signed up for that. If I don't watch SV thursday, does it matter to ratings. I want to help the ratings, but if it doesn't matter I usually catch it online the next day over lunch hour.

[JAMHEXXX]

I have one more question, then I promise I will go to the bookstore and buy my very own copy of "Ratings 101"

Again, bottomline for me: I am pretty sure I am not a Nielson's family. I never signed up for that. If I don't watch SV thursday, does it matter to ratings. I want to help the ratings, but if it doesn't matter I usually catch it online the next day over lunch hour.

No, you really don't affect the ratings unless you have a Nielsen's box.
You can affect the DVR numbers if you own a DVR.

[battlecat403@yahoo.com]

That isn't its place among the networks.

THAT 4 IS THE SHARE OF THAT PARTICULAR DEMO IT RECEIVED!!!!!!!

How can you not understand this.

1.4/4 18-34

The 1.4 represents its RATING in the demo
Rating: Estimated percentage of the universe of TV households (or other specified group) tuned to a program in the average minute. Ratings are expressed as a percent.

The 4 right behind it represents its SHARE in the Demo
Share (of Audience): The percent of households (or persons) using television who are tuned to a specific program, station or network in a specific area at a specific time. (See also, Rating, which represents tuning or viewing as a percent of the entire population being measured.)

If you still don't get it.........I don't know what else to say.
See, this is what I needed. Color coded just like in grammar school! Now I finally know the difference between the numbers!! And it makes sense. They give you a number for the ratings and one for the shares. I see how it can be easy for someone to get confused.

Thank you so much for taking the time to simplify things. I appreciate the information and clarification! :)

[llk6165]

Ok, no pressure than. Sorry to interrupt. I'll check back later to when you guys settle on the ratings thing. Thanks :)

[JAMHEXXX]

See, this is what I needed. Color coded just like in grammar school! Now I finally know the difference between the numbers!! And it makes sense. They give you a number for the ratings and one for the shares. I see how it can be easy for someone to get confused.

Thank you so much for taking the time to simplify things. I appreciate the information and clarification! :)


No problem, I just wished that someone else around here could it through their skull.:)

[Kreukie]

No problem, I just wished that someone else around here could it through their skull.:)

I was just responding to your post, until I read this... If you need to belittle me just to make your point more valid, that said a lot more about your character than mine. :lol:

[JAMHEXXX]

I was just responding to your post, until I read this... If you need to belittle me just to make your point more valid, that said a lot more about your character than mine. :lol:

No, the validity in my post made my post valid.

This has nothing to do with character issues,it's about raw, cold, imperical numbers and many of your posts in regard to those numbers were not accurate.

[davidbrenton]

It's funny, back in the day I never saw Lois & Clark as being campy, but now when watching some of the episodes I can see how people can say the series was campy!

There was some really corny storylines, that back then it didn't seem corny but nowadays it does. It's just the change of time I guess?

For example if Wrath had Lana running around in a hot pink/purple suit with two big U's on it, with a mask on, calling herself Ultrawoman most of us here would had just died from the cheesiness of it all!

Yet when watching Lois & Clark did it, I remember loving it and thinking it was one of the greatest storyline of the series! Then again I was about 9 at the time. :lol:

I was about the same age. I can't communicate a strong feeling about the series until I re-watch it. But, my general sense was that it was less "dramatic"/melodrama and more action/cartoony on a whole. I do remember the times they had compelling plots like Clark falling for the other reporter, with her always wondering what came between them, and she died in his arms reveleaing his "S" symbol. I loved those moments of L&C, and think SV caputures more of those types of moments than L&C capitalized on..


I don't know what I'm arguing here. Honestly, I loved them both.

[Kal-ed]

I am not going to enter on the debate that "Lana brings down ratings" or "Lana brings ratings up" or Lois...whatever, but Lois wasn't in Abyss.

The only point I want to make about all this is that the show suffer from the fact that we only have two characters appearing in all episodes. Half the cast is always missing, so the stories suffer continuity breaks all the time. In the past, we did have some characters as part time regulars, but most cast was usually there. We had 7 regulars that were present in all episodes or missing one or two at most from season 1-3. The only part time regular was John Glover.

Then, the number of full regulars started decreasing since season 4: 6, then 5 (season 5-7) with 3 part time regulars, and now 5. My point is that the story suffer when most of the cast is missing from at least half a season. How are you supposed to maintain a decent story arc for any character like that?

Let's take look at Clark and Chloe, the only two full regulars. Chloe's arc is linked with both Jimmy and Davis, however they are absent from half of the episodes she is around. That means that her arc only advances in half episodes she is in. Clark's arc are the super hero arc and the journalist, however his main nemesis is not around for half season, his boss and his co-workers are missing as well, and you never got to advance the whole story.

Is it really surprising that people don't tune in to watch yet another episode where 3 regulars are missing? I am not saying that we should have all regulars in all episodes, but the truth is that when most of the show cast is only present for 13 episodes, is it that much of a surprise that people are not invested in the show?

In one sense I think that Lois being absent contributed to it: she had been in a lot of episodes in the first half of the season. A lot of fans (not all) warmed up to her as soon as she started falling for Clark, and most episodes she was in were really very good, and ED had the chance to shine (in Bloodline she was amazing). Then, suddenly she is absent, and the network promotes the show using old clips of other episodes, making quite clear to viewers that she wouldn't be around (I mean, no one really believes that she would be around, when there are new clips from anyone else but her).

The point is that, is not ED or KK, but the fact that an arc was started, some viewers became invested on it, and it was suddenly interrupted for 4 episodes. The same is true for Davis: when Doomsday plot was put in motion (Bloodline, Abyss, Bride and Legion), and in the next 3 episodes, Davis is going to cease to exist until Infamous.

Is really that surprising that it hurts the show? :(


Amen, awsome post, its exactly what´s wrong with the show, not Lana perse but the nonexisting flow of the story since there are only 2 full time regulars.

[llk6165]

Liana-
I think you are very wise. That has between my struggle with the show overall. I never seem to get a sense of where the show is headed. There seems to be no overall plan. It's like the writers/producers, whoever decides this stuff, go week to week without tying anything in - or by the time they drag it out I lose interest. I can watch any storyline they develop if they just gave it some context. For me, that is what is missing.
Anyway, did we ever figure out the ratings. I saw something 'bout ratings posted in the news section. Bulletproof was down from Legion.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Definitely there was a lot of action.However it didn't feature anything to keep Superman fans interested.Not all fans are as patient as you and me.They want Clois,Clark flying and other Superman referrences each and every week.

Maybe we watched the episode with different eyes, I thought it was very Superman-ish. Clark catching a speeding bullet, superspeeding around, using his Xray vision, imparting his morals on the Cops, realizations about working with other Superheroes, Green Arrow, Martian Manhunter, and trying to work out a balance in his personal and Hero life. Oh yeah, and.... A bullet bounced off of his chest at point blank range! Awesome! Did I miss any? :lol:

[Tompouce]

Maybe we watched the episode with different eyes, I thought it was very Superman-ish. Clark catching a speeding bullet, superspeeding around, using his Xray vision, imparting his morals on the Cops, realizations about working with other Superheroes, Green Arrow, Martian Manhunter, and trying to work out a balance in his personal and Hero life. Oh yeah, and.... A bullet bounced off of his chest at point blank range! Awesome! Did I miss any? :lol:
ITA and with your other post too. Clark was a true hero in this epi:)CLARK FOREVER (I have a "Clark crisis since "légion", sorry):D

[ClarkyBoy14]

Let me correct you here.

Yes, Legion's ratings/demo are higher, but Legion's demo didn't place higher than Bulletproof's for it's week which what's important.

Networks don't care if the demo numbers themselves are higher/lower than the episode the following week, they care where the demo places as compared to other networks with series air date! Bulletproof being #4, means it ahead of one more network than Legion's demos were. Again, the viewership were down for other series/networks as well last week, not just Smallville.

I don't think it's important, I KNOW that it is. That's what advertisers look for, which is why networks are obsessed with demographics. It means more money for the network.

According to TVByTheNumbers, yes, "Bulletproof" did beat a repeat of CSI in the 18-34 demo.

However, I would think the actual rating is more important than who they did or didn't beat.

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Maybe we watched the episode with different eyes, I thought it was very Superman-ish. Clark catching a speeding bullet, superspeeding around, using his Xray vision, imparting his morals on the Cops, realizations about working with other Superheroes, Green Arrow, Martian Manhunter, and trying to work out a balance in his personal and Hero life. Oh yeah, and.... A bullet bounced off of his chest at point blank range! Awesome! :lol:

Very true. :)

[SacredK]

Bulletproof only got those ratings 'cuz Legion generally sucked IMO. Lost quite a bit of viewers after that poor episode.

[JAMHEXXX]

Here are the women's demo age 18-34 for Bulletproof.

Smallville women 18-34 rating
8:00: 1.0 rating
8:30 1.1

Gossip Girl had
2.0 rating for it latest showing in this demo, which happens to be the demo that Dawn goes crazy for.

[DontCha]

bwaa hahahaha so buletproof did worse? the first eppy to drop below 4 million this season???? hmmmmmm I do wonder why..

I hope the writers freaking REALIZE why too and make some CHANGES

LOIS LANE IN ALL EPISODES

[marikology]

I am not going to enter on the debate that "Lana brings down ratings" or "Lana brings ratings up" or Lois...whatever, but Lois wasn't in Abyss.

The only point I want to make about all this is that the show suffer from the fact that we only have two characters appearing in all episodes. Half the cast is always missing, so the stories suffer continuity breaks all the time. In the past, we did have some characters as part time regulars, but most cast was usually there. We had 7 regulars that were present in all episodes or missing one or two at most from season 1-3. The only part time regular was John Glover.

Then, the number of full regulars started decreasing since season 4: 6, then 5 (season 5-7) with 3 part time regulars, and now 5. My point is that the story suffer when most of the cast is missing from at least half a season. How are you supposed to maintain a decent story arc for any character like that?

Let's take look at Clark and Chloe, the only two full regulars. Chloe's arc is linked with both Jimmy and Davis, however they are absent from half of the episodes she is around. That means that her arc only advances in half episodes she is in. Clark's arc are the super hero arc and the journalist, however his main nemesis is not around for half season, his boss and his co-workers are missing as well, and you never got to advance the whole story.

Is it really surprising that people don't tune in to watch yet another episode where 3 regulars are missing? I am not saying that we should have all regulars in all episodes, but the truth is that when most of the show cast is only present for 13 episodes, is it that much of a surprise that people are not invested in the show?

In one sense I think that Lois being absent contributed to it: she had been in a lot of episodes in the first half of the season. A lot of fans (not all) warmed up to her as soon as she started falling for Clark, and most episodes she was in were really very good, and ED had the chance to shine (in Bloodline she was amazing). Then, suddenly she is absent, and the network promotes the show using old clips of other episodes, making quite clear to viewers that she wouldn't be around (I mean, no one really believes that she would be around, when there are new clips from anyone else but her).

The point is that, is not ED or KK, but the fact that an arc was started, some viewers became invested on it, and it was suddenly interrupted for 4 episodes. The same is true for Davis: when Doomsday plot was put in motion (Bloodline, Abyss, Bride and Legion), and in the next 3 episodes, Davis is going to cease to exist until Infamous.

Is really that surprising that it hurts the show? :(


The problem with this logic is that only diehard, hardcore, online fans keep up with who is and isn't in the episodes. The handful of online fans on this site do not make up the average viewer. The average viewer doesn't go online to see, they just sit in front of the TV and watch, and if a particular character isn't in it, then it has no effect on ratings cos they've already watched it. Especially if you consider that in episode descriptions, everyone is usually listed, and like you pointed out, they even use Lois in promos where she doesn't appear.

There's a million factors to do with why episodes are highly or lowly rated, but I think it's stretching it to point fingers at one particular character. SV's ratings go up and down a little from week to week, but they are basically steady, which says to me that most of the few million people will watch whatever's on the screen.

[Cyn]

I keep mentioning this, but no one seems to care. The TV Guide isn't listing the CW in its daily list guide. They still do have articles about the CW's shows, but that's it. Personally, if I was only a casual viewer, I would probably check out TV Guide and notice nothing. Then, I would probably watch some other channel because apparently the CW isn't showing this week. I think this is hurting Smallville & other shows on the CW. It might not impact a huge number of people, but Smallville & Supernatural need all the viewers they can get. It's time to complain to TV Guide. I emailed them, but it seems I'm about the only one that cares.

[6-Super-Man -5]

bwaa hahahaha so buletproof did worse? the first eppy to drop below 4 million this season???? hmmmmmm I do wonder why..

I hope the writers freaking REALIZE why too and make some CHANGES

LOIS LANE IN ALL EPISODES

Yeah...

FOR SEASON NINE! :D

[luvinChlark]

The problem with this logic is that only diehard, hardcore, online fans keep up with who is and isn't in the episodes. The handful of online fans on this site do not make up the average viewer. The average viewer doesn't go online to see, they just sit in front of the TV and watch, and if a particular character isn't in it, then it has no effect on ratings cos they've already watched it. Especially if you consider that in episode descriptions, everyone is usually listed, and like you pointed out, they even use Lois in promos where she doesn't appear.

There's a million factors to do with why episodes are highly or lowly rated, but I think it's stretching it to point fingers at one particular character. SV's ratings go up and down a little from week to week, but they are basically steady, which says to me that most of the few million people will watch whatever's on the screen.

Great post marikology. This makes complete sense.

[JAMHEXXX]

The problem with this logic is that only diehard, hardcore, online fans keep up with who is and isn't in the episodes. The handful of online fans on this site do not make up the average viewer. The average viewer doesn't go online to see, they just sit in front of the TV and watch, and if a particular character isn't in it, then it has no effect on ratings cos they've already watched it. Especially if you consider that in episode descriptions, everyone is usually listed, and like you pointed out, they even use Lois in promos where she doesn't appear.

There's a million factors to do with why episodes are highly or lowly rated, but I think it's stretching it to point fingers at one particular character. SV's ratings go up and down a little from week to week, but they are basically steady, which says to me that most of the few million people will watch whatever's on the screen.


Bulletproof was the only episode this year to go DOWN in the half hour ratings.

That in itself is HUGE in my opinion.

Every other episode this year has risen from the first to the second half hour, except for Bulletproof.

I take that as proof that Clana/Lana/Clanarama drives off viewers, especially this year.

Bulletproof
8:00 p.m. V: 3.80 m
8:30 p.m. V: 3.78 m

[EternalTwilight]

I keep mentioning this, but no one seems to care. The TV Guide isn't listing the CW in its daily list guide. They still do have articles about the CW's shows, but that's it. Personally, if I was only a casual viewer, I would probably check out TV Guide and notice nothing. Then, I would probably watch some other channel because apparently the CW isn't showing this week. I think this is hurting Smallville & other shows on the CW. It might not impact a huge number of people, but Smallville & Supernatural need all the viewers they can get. It's time to complain to TV Guide. I emailed them, but it seems I'm about the only one that cares.

Any reason why the CW is being excluded? :confused:

I'll email them as well, if it helps at all.

[JDS2930]

Wow...this episode really dropped. It's the first to go under 4 million this season, right? Bring Kara back. :) Her episode had the highest ratings (so far)!!

[ClarkyBoy14]

Wow...this episode really dropped. It's the first to go under 4 million this season, right? Bring Kara back. :) Her episode had the highest ratings (so far)!!

Second. "Abyss" also went below.

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Here are the women's demo age 18-34 for Bulletproof.

Smallville women 18-34 rating
8:00: 1.0 rating
8:30 1.1

Gossip Girl had
2.0 rating for it latest showing in this demo, which happens to be the demo that Dawn goes crazy for.

Smallville doesn't do so hot there. :\

Where were you able to find that rating, and the half-hour viewer breakdown?

[SparkleforSmallville]

I keep mentioning this, but no one seems to care. The TV Guide isn't listing the CW in its daily list guide. They still do have articles about the CW's shows, but that's it. Personally, if I was only a casual viewer, I would probably check out TV Guide and notice nothing. Then, I would probably watch some other channel because apparently the CW isn't showing this week. I think this is hurting Smallville & other shows on the CW. It might not impact a huge number of people, but Smallville & Supernatural need all the viewers they can get. It's time to complain to TV Guide. I emailed them, but it seems I'm about the only one that cares.

I read, that TVGuide was sold to some other Company, and they are trying to cut costs. That was their reason, but it doesn't make much sense. CW's grid doesn't take up that much room:/

[marikology]

Bulletproof was the only episode this year to go DOWN in the half hour ratings.

That in itself is HUGE in my opinion.

Every other episode this year has risen from the first to the second half hour, except for Bulletproof.

I take that as proof that Clana/Lana/Clanarama drives off viewers, especially this year.

Bulletproof
8:00 p.m. V: 3.80 m
8:30 p.m. V: 3.78 m

That may be true, but it might also be because people thought Bulletproof's plot was boring and didn't care to see how the A-plot (dirty cops) was going to conclude, so they switched the channel. They couldn't have known that Clana would get back together and kiss in the last 2 minutes, IMO.

I believe that Clexana was the reason for the ratings dip after Promise, because it's been more than a whole season and those viewers never came back. But IMO, you need more than one episode to establish a theory or pattern. I guess we'll see.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Bulletproof was the only episode this year to go DOWN in the half hour ratings.

That in itself is HUGE in my opinion.

Every other episode this year has risen from the first to the second half hour, except for Bulletproof.

I take that as proof that Clana/Lana/Clanarama drives off viewers, especially this year.

Bulletproof
8:00 p.m. V: 3.80 m
8:30 p.m. V: 3.78 m


I couldn't agree more with your theory. Most people I know either hit the "info" button on their remote to get details on an episode airing during the week or look up the information on the web. I find it very hard to believe with today's technology that people just turn on the TV not knowing what they'll be watching. So, with that said I think you'll see a spike in the ratings come March.

[alejandrita439]

Originally Posted by JAMHEXXX
Bulletproof was the only episode this year to go DOWN in the half hour ratings.

That in itself is HUGE in my opinion.

Every other episode this year has risen from the first to the second half hour, except for Bulletproof.

I take that as proof that Clana/Lana/Clanarama drives off viewers, especially this year.

Bulletproof
8:00 p.m. V: 3.80 m
8:30 p.m. V: 3.78 m


oooo :eek:
thats bad :S

[ClarkyBoy14]

I couldn't agree more with your theory. Most people I know either hit the "info" button on their remote to get details on an episode airing during the week or look up the information on the web. I find it very hard to believe with today's technology that people just turn on the TV not knowing what they'll be watching. So, with that said I think you'll see a spike in the ratings come March.

I did just that last night with Knight Rider. :p

[Mickey_Bickey]

I did just that last night with Knight Rider. :p

And I did just the opposite of that while I was watching TV.:p;)

[ClarkyBoy14]

And I did just the opposite of that while I was watching TV.:p;)

Nice. :)

[Timester]

It was campy. The villain who locked CK's parents in a tank and threatened to reveal CK as Superman was about the campiest character there could be and he was typical. It was a horrible show. Hatcher was great but the rest of it was silly.

Again, it was far from campy, the show was about the romantic part and that was far from campy.

[jack1487]

I keep mentioning this, but no one seems to care. The TV Guide isn't listing the CW in its daily list guide. They still do have articles about the CW's shows, but that's it. Personally, if I was only a casual viewer, I would probably check out TV Guide and notice nothing. Then, I would probably watch some other channel because apparently the CW isn't showing this week. I think this is hurting Smallville & other shows on the CW. It might not impact a huge number of people, but Smallville & Supernatural need all the viewers they can get. It's time to complain to TV Guide. I emailed them, but it seems I'm about the only one that cares.

I called the CW about this and all they said was what the TV Guide did (take a station off the listing from time to time) and that they were not worried about it at this time.

They The CW needs to get off their Collective A***'s and get some advertisement going on in other publications which I noticed they are doing for 90210 (I think this is the correct show) and Gossip Girl which figures. I have also noticed that I am seeing pictures of Smallville with the WB logo on them along with the CW's with some of the on-line photo's sites.

Just my 2cents,

Take Care,

Jack :mad:

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Thanks.
You can think I am stupid if you want to, but I am going to ask, because I really don't watch TV. I've seen Smallville via DVDs and online, and just now got it on my satelite.
On Thursday, if I tune in will they rating people know it, or do I need some special gizmo hooked up to my TV?

No! If you have a satellite link the numbers are not counted, I wish that they were because I have this service for the last 20 + years (love it). I do have some family that has the rating system in their home and they watch on a least one TV both SV and SN, and and I do have a TiVo unit just to make sure that I am counted for what little do watch.

But in my mind it's The CW who needs to start advertise these show's and not only on their know channel, more like USA, TNT, Life, ScFi, etc.

I have been watching, listening, or reading about Superman since the early 40's and I can say the Smallville has been on TV the longest with all but the comics. Still first and the greatest hero of all of them!

Anyhow have a great day!

Jack :lol:

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Does anyone know what the Live+7 numbers were for this show! Also if we watch it on-line at Apple do these numbers count???

Hope that some one can answer this question!


Take Care,

Jack

[jack1487]

Just got my TV Guide for next week and the CW is now being listed once again.

Take Care,

Jack

[SparkleforSmallville]

That's good news!

[tyson08]

Just got my TV Guide for next week and the CW is now being listed once again.

Take Care,

Jack

Of course, now that 'Smallville' is going on a break for three weeks! :lol:

[marcella]

No Live+7 yet?

[Luiz Fernando]

Unfortunately not yet, Marcela. They are very late as always :D

Nice to see you here, my fellow countrygirl :D

[Luiz Fernando]

Greatest % Of DVR Viewing for Broadcast TV Shows, January 19-25, 2009:
<table width="599" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><!--StartFragment--> <col width="33"> <col width="144"> <col width="32"> <col width="52"> <col width="60"> <col width="54"> <col width="57"> <col width="56"> <col width="54"> <col width="65"> <tbody></tbody> <tbody></tbody> <tbody></tbody> <tbody></tbody> <tbody></tbody> <tbody></tbody> <tbody> <tr height="39"> <td class="xl24" width="33" height="39">Rank</td> <td class="xl24" width="144">Programs</td> <td class="xl24" style="text-align: center;" width="32">Net</td> <td class="xl34" style="text-align: center;" width="52">Persons Live+7 (000s)</td> <td class="xl34" style="text-align: center;" width="60">Persons Live+SD (000s)</td> <td class="xl34" style="text-align: center;" width="54">Persons Live (000s)</td> <td class="xl28" style="text-align: center;" width="57">Same Day DVR Viewers (000s)</td> <td class="xl28" style="text-align: center;" width="56">Live+7 DVR Viewers (000s)</td> <td class="xl25" style="text-align: center;" width="54">% of All Viewing By DVR</td> <td class="xl24" style="text-align: center;" width="65">% of DVR Viewing On Airdate</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">1</td> <td class="xl33">90210</td> <td class="xl33">CW</td> <td class="xl35"> 2,910</td> <td class="xl35"> 2,342</td> <td class="xl35"> 1,851</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 491</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,059</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">36.4%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">46.4%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">2</td> <td class="xl33">OFFICE</td> <td class="xl33">NBC</td> <td class="xl35"> 10,390</td> <td class="xl35"> 8,825</td> <td class="xl35"> 7,206</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,619</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 3,184</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">30.6%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">50.8%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">3</td> <td class="xl33">GOSSIP GIRL-MLK(S)-01/19</td> <td class="xl33">CW</td> <td class="xl35"> 2,661</td> <td class="xl35"> 2,224</td> <td class="xl35"> 1,850</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 374</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 811</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">30.5%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">46.1%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">4</td> <td class="xl33">PRIVILEGED</td> <td class="xl33">CW</td> <td class="xl35"> 1,951</td> <td class="xl35"> 1,617</td> <td class="xl35"> 1,453</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 164</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 498</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">25.5%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">32.9%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">5</td> <td class="xl33">ONE TREE HILL-MLK(S)-01/19</td> <td class="xl33">CW</td> <td class="xl35"> 3,097</td> <td class="xl35"> 2,627</td> <td class="xl35"> 2,323</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 304</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 774</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">25.0%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">39.3%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">6</td> <td class="xl33">LOST</td> <td class="xl33">ABC</td> <td class="xl35"> 13,316</td> <td class="xl35"> 11,465</td> <td class="xl35"> 10,060</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,405</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 3,256</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">24.5%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">43.2%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">7</td> <td class="xl33">BONES 9P(S)-01/22</td> <td class="xl33">FOX</td> <td class="xl35"> 9,218</td> <td class="xl35"> 7,626</td> <td class="xl35"> 6,969</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 657</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 2,249</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">24.4%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">29.2%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">8</td> <td class="xl33">GREY’S ANATOMY</td> <td class="xl33">ABC</td> <td class="xl35"> 17,030</td> <td class="xl35"> 14,514</td> <td class="xl35"> 12,908</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,606</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 4,122</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">24.2%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">39.0%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">9</td> <td class="xl33">SMALLVILLE</td> <td class="xl33">CW</td> <td class="xl35"> 4,536</td> <td class="xl35"> 3,855</td> <td class="xl35"> 3,472</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 383</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,064</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">23.5%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">36.0%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">10</td> <td class="xl33">30 ROCK</td> <td class="xl33">NBC</td> <td class="xl35"> 7,464</td> <td class="xl35"> 6,447</td> <td class="xl35"> 5,716</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 731</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,748</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">23.4%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">41.8%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">11</td> <td class="xl33">SUPERNATURAL</td> <td class="xl33">CW</td> <td class="xl35"> 3,747</td> <td class="xl35"> 3,092</td> <td class="xl35"> 2,883</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 209</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 864</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">23.1%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">24.2%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">12</td> <td class="xl33">HOUSE</td> <td class="xl33">FOX</td> <td class="xl35"> 17,040</td> <td class="xl35"> 15,137</td> <td class="xl35"> 13,159</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,978</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 3,881</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">22.8%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">51.0%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">13</td> <td class="xl33">24</td> <td class="xl33">FOX</td> <td class="xl35"> 13,660</td> <td class="xl35"> 12,179</td> <td class="xl35"> 10,615</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,564</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 3,045</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">22.3%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">51.4%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">14</td> <td class="xl33">FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS</td> <td class="xl33">NBC</td> <td class="xl35"> 4,688</td> <td class="xl35"> 3,948</td> <td class="xl35"> 3,657</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 291</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,031</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">22.0%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">28.2%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">15</td> <td class="xl33">FRINGE</td> <td class="xl33">FOX</td> <td class="xl35"> 13,812</td> <td class="xl35"> 12,036</td> <td class="xl35"> 10,860</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,176</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 2,952</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">21.4%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">39.8%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">16</td> <td class="xl33">BONES</td> <td class="xl33">FOX</td> <td class="xl35"> 11,481</td> <td class="xl35"> 10,032</td> <td class="xl35"> 9,077</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 955</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 2,404</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">20.9%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">39.7%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">17</td> <td class="xl33">LOST: DESTINY CALLS(S)-01/21</td> <td class="xl33">ABC</td> <td class="xl35"> 9,379</td> <td class="xl35"> 8,530</td> <td class="xl35"> 7,557</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 973</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,822</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">19.4%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">53.4%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">18</td> <td class="xl33">PRIVATE PRACTICE</td> <td class="xl33">ABC</td> <td class="xl35"> 10,968</td> <td class="xl35"> 9,547</td> <td class="xl35"> 8,893</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 654</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 2,075</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">18.9%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">31.5%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">19</td> <td class="xl33">E.R.</td> <td class="xl33">NBC</td> <td class="xl35"> 8,818</td> <td class="xl35"> 7,684</td> <td class="xl35"> 7,178</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 506</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,640</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">18.6%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">30.9%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">20</td> <td class="xl33">MY NAME IS EARL</td> <td class="xl33">NBC</td> <td class="xl35"> 7,361</td> <td class="xl35"> 6,626</td> <td class="xl35"> 6,001</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 625</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,360</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">18.5%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">46.0%</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
The % of Total viewing by DVR table ranks which of the Top 150 broadcast shows [by Live+7 viewers] had the largest % of viewing by DVR in their Live+7 audience numbers from viewers watching shows later on their digital video recorders (DVRs).

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Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.16 mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil. & Live+7= 4.67 mil. :P

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil. & Live+7= 4.89 mil.

#12 Bulletproof ~ *3.85 mil. & Live+7= 4.54 mil

#13 Power ~ *4.21 mil.

#14 Requiem ~ *3.93 mil

[SparkleforSmallville]

^^You think you are funny huh? *sigh* If Bulletproof Live+7 is 4.536mil
it would rounded off to 4.54 mil. So you have once again
put incorrect info no my Chart! :eek: You could make your own Chart,
and put whatever you like on it:) Also Prey's final is 4.16, you must be copying
one I made the mistake on.
If you are going to be my Apprentice, you must be more careful :lol:

Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.16mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil.

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil. & Live+7= 4.89 mil.

#12 Bulletproof ~ *3.85 mil. & Live+7= 4.54 mil.

#13 Power ~ *4.21 mil.

#14 Requiem ~ *3.93 mil.


Smallville is still very consistent in it's dvr viewers.

[JAMHEXXX]

Yeah, that is pretty screwed up! Taking someone's graph and messing with it, start your own!! If you did that crap with me I would put you under the mat! I think you need to be banned.

[tyson08]

SparkleforSmallville, thanks once again for the great chart. But I still don't like seeing the blank space for "Bride", I say give it 4.8 million, we have already done the calculations and it seems like an accurate guess. ;)

[JAMHEXXX]

Greatest % Of DVR Viewing for Broadcast TV Shows, January 19-25, 2009:
<table width="599" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><!--StartFragment--> <col width="33"> <col width="144"> <col width="32"> <col width="52"> <col width="60"> <col width="54"> <col width="57"> <col width="56"> <col width="54"> <col width="65"> <tbody></tbody> <tbody></tbody> <tbody></tbody> <tbody></tbody> <tbody></tbody> <tbody></tbody> <tbody> <tr height="39"> <td class="xl24" width="33" height="39">Rank</td> <td class="xl24" width="144">Programs</td> <td class="xl24" style="text-align: center;" width="32">Net</td> <td class="xl34" style="text-align: center;" width="52">Persons Live+7 (000s)</td> <td class="xl34" style="text-align: center;" width="60">Persons Live+SD (000s)</td> <td class="xl34" style="text-align: center;" width="54">Persons Live (000s)</td> <td class="xl28" style="text-align: center;" width="57">Same Day DVR Viewers (000s)</td> <td class="xl28" style="text-align: center;" width="56">Live+7 DVR Viewers (000s)</td> <td class="xl25" style="text-align: center;" width="54">% of All Viewing By DVR</td> <td class="xl24" style="text-align: center;" width="65">% of DVR Viewing On Airdate</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">1</td> <td class="xl33">90210</td> <td class="xl33">CW</td> <td class="xl35"> 2,910</td> <td class="xl35"> 2,342</td> <td class="xl35"> 1,851</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 491</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,059</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">36.4%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">46.4%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">2</td> <td class="xl33">OFFICE</td> <td class="xl33">NBC</td> <td class="xl35"> 10,390</td> <td class="xl35"> 8,825</td> <td class="xl35"> 7,206</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,619</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 3,184</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">30.6%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">50.8%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">3</td> <td class="xl33">GOSSIP GIRL-MLK(S)-01/19</td> <td class="xl33">CW</td> <td class="xl35"> 2,661</td> <td class="xl35"> 2,224</td> <td class="xl35"> 1,850</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 374</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 811</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">30.5%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">46.1%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">4</td> <td class="xl33">PRIVILEGED</td> <td class="xl33">CW</td> <td class="xl35"> 1,951</td> <td class="xl35"> 1,617</td> <td class="xl35"> 1,453</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 164</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 498</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">25.5%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">32.9%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">5</td> <td class="xl33">ONE TREE HILL-MLK(S)-01/19</td> <td class="xl33">CW</td> <td class="xl35"> 3,097</td> <td class="xl35"> 2,627</td> <td class="xl35"> 2,323</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 304</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 774</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">25.0%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">39.3%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">6</td> <td class="xl33">LOST</td> <td class="xl33">ABC</td> <td class="xl35"> 13,316</td> <td class="xl35"> 11,465</td> <td class="xl35"> 10,060</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,405</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 3,256</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">24.5%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">43.2%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">7</td> <td class="xl33">BONES 9P(S)-01/22</td> <td class="xl33">FOX</td> <td class="xl35"> 9,218</td> <td class="xl35"> 7,626</td> <td class="xl35"> 6,969</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 657</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 2,249</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">24.4%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">29.2%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">8</td> <td class="xl33">GREY’S ANATOMY</td> <td class="xl33">ABC</td> <td class="xl35"> 17,030</td> <td class="xl35"> 14,514</td> <td class="xl35"> 12,908</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,606</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 4,122</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">24.2%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">39.0%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">9</td> <td class="xl33">SMALLVILLE</td> <td class="xl33">CW</td> <td class="xl35"> 4,536</td> <td class="xl35"> 3,855</td> <td class="xl35"> 3,472</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 383</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,064</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">23.5%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">36.0%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">10</td> <td class="xl33">30 ROCK</td> <td class="xl33">NBC</td> <td class="xl35"> 7,464</td> <td class="xl35"> 6,447</td> <td class="xl35"> 5,716</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 731</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,748</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">23.4%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">41.8%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">11</td> <td class="xl33">SUPERNATURAL</td> <td class="xl33">CW</td> <td class="xl35"> 3,747</td> <td class="xl35"> 3,092</td> <td class="xl35"> 2,883</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 209</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 864</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">23.1%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">24.2%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">12</td> <td class="xl33">HOUSE</td> <td class="xl33">FOX</td> <td class="xl35"> 17,040</td> <td class="xl35"> 15,137</td> <td class="xl35"> 13,159</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,978</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 3,881</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">22.8%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">51.0%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">13</td> <td class="xl33">24</td> <td class="xl33">FOX</td> <td class="xl35"> 13,660</td> <td class="xl35"> 12,179</td> <td class="xl35"> 10,615</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,564</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 3,045</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">22.3%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">51.4%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">14</td> <td class="xl33">FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS</td> <td class="xl33">NBC</td> <td class="xl35"> 4,688</td> <td class="xl35"> 3,948</td> <td class="xl35"> 3,657</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 291</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,031</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">22.0%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">28.2%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">15</td> <td class="xl33">FRINGE</td> <td class="xl33">FOX</td> <td class="xl35"> 13,812</td> <td class="xl35"> 12,036</td> <td class="xl35"> 10,860</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,176</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 2,952</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">21.4%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">39.8%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">16</td> <td class="xl33">BONES</td> <td class="xl33">FOX</td> <td class="xl35"> 11,481</td> <td class="xl35"> 10,032</td> <td class="xl35"> 9,077</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 955</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 2,404</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">20.9%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">39.7%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">17</td> <td class="xl33">LOST: DESTINY CALLS(S)-01/21</td> <td class="xl33">ABC</td> <td class="xl35"> 9,379</td> <td class="xl35"> 8,530</td> <td class="xl35"> 7,557</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 973</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,822</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">19.4%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">53.4%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">18</td> <td class="xl33">PRIVATE PRACTICE</td> <td class="xl33">ABC</td> <td class="xl35"> 10,968</td> <td class="xl35"> 9,547</td> <td class="xl35"> 8,893</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 654</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 2,075</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">18.9%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">31.5%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">19</td> <td class="xl33">E.R.</td> <td class="xl33">NBC</td> <td class="xl35"> 8,818</td> <td class="xl35"> 7,684</td> <td class="xl35"> 7,178</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 506</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,640</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">18.6%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">30.9%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl26" height="16">20</td> <td class="xl33">MY NAME IS EARL</td> <td class="xl33">NBC</td> <td class="xl35"> 7,361</td> <td class="xl35"> 6,626</td> <td class="xl35"> 6,001</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 625</td> <td class="xl28" align="right"> 1,360</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">18.5%</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">46.0%</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
The % of Total viewing by DVR table ranks which of the Top 150 broadcast shows [by Live+7 viewers] had the largest % of viewing by DVR in their Live+7 audience numbers from viewers watching shows later on their digital video recorders (DVRs).

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Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.16 mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil. & Live+7= 4.67 mil. :P

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil. & Live+7= 4.89 mil.

#12 Bulletproof ~ *3.85 mil. & Live+7= 4.54 mil

#13 Power ~ *4.21 mil.

#14 Requiem ~ *3.93 mil

Those aren't the correct Live+7 numbers for Bride.

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SparkleforSmallville, thanks once again for the great chart. But I still don't like seeing the blank space for "Bride", I say give it 4.8 million, we have already done the calculations and it seems like an accurate guess. ;)

There is no guessing in regards to ratings. There are raw numbers and nothing else.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Those aren't the correct Live+7 numbers for Bride.

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There is no guessing in regards to ratings. There are raw numbers and nothing else.

I've told him, and showed him the Article, that is a Season average not Live+7.

Yeah, I know you are right about guessing. That's probably why I can't put up an estimate for Bride, it doesn't feel right.
I was just looking for some closure.:/

[tyson08]

Those aren't the correct Live+7 numbers for Bride.

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There is no guessing in regards to ratings. There are raw numbers and nothing else.

Then I suggest you get up on Neilsen and get those Live+7's out for the week of "Bride". :p

[SparkleforSmallville]

Then I suggest you get up on Neilsen and get those Live+7's out for the week of "Bride". :p

If anyone could do it, I would put my money on JAMHEXXX!:lol:

[tyson08]

It's such a mystery how they can't/haven't released the numbers for that week. :rolleyes:

[Luiz Fernando]

But i said that is impossible that 4.67 was the Season Average, becouse the Season Average of 10 first episodes was 4.72, and the Season Average of the 9 first episodes was 4.75.

And if we know that Smallville always up almost 0.6 in the DVR Ratings and Bride had 4.18 in the "normal" ratings. So, is perfectly posible that the DVR Ratings of Bride had be 4.67.

If 4.67 is not the DVR rating of Bride, so I dont know what it is, because it isnt the Season Average...

But, the Thread here is Bulletproof, so lets go speak about Bulletproof ratings :D

[tyson08]

Maybe someone could e-mail tvbythenumbers and get some conformation.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Maybe someone could e-mail tvbythenumbers and get some conformation.

I nominate...........tyson! :lol:

[tyson08]

I have sent an e-mail asking if the DVR Live+7 ratings will ever be released for that week. Now we wait for the answer. ;)

[JAMHEXXX]

When TVbythenumbers finally started posting the Live+7 data again I asked them if they could provide me with the numbers for the Bride episode. Their reply was, "don't push your luck", so I hope you have better luck than I.

Abyss was preempted and it's Live+7 numbers were larger than the usual DVR numbers. It had 820,00 Live+7 viewers.

Bride was also preempted so its Live+7 numbers could also be larger then the average increase. IF Bride had the same level that Abyss had its Live+7 numbers would be around 5.01 million. But we can't know for sure unless someone can find those DAMN numbers.

Here is a little fact that I thought was pretty cool.

Requiem was downloaded 445,000 times on Bittorrent this week, making it the Fifth most downloaded show for the week.

[tyson08]

I hope I do have better luck but I'm guessing they probably won't help us out.

I saw that chart too about the downloading on Bittorrent, it's always nice to see Smallville getting the viewers.

[SparkleforSmallville]

"Requiem" is #33 today, on iTunes. I forgot to check after it aired.

[marcella]

Unfortunately not yet, Marcela. They are very late as always :D

Nice to see you here, my fellow countrygirl :D

Nice to see you too. Many braziilian lurkers are showing up:D



Here is a little fact that I thought was pretty cool.

Requiem was downloaded 445,000 times on Bittorrent this week, making it the Fifth most downloaded show for the week.

That's really nice
:)

[AgentChaos]

"Requiem" is #33 today, on iTunes. I forgot to check after it aired.

Last time I checked the iTunes store, can't remember exactly when, it was #10.