How long Clark lives

[hemmy]

What I took from this episode was that Clark was not alive in the 31st century

Does he have just very slow aging ???

I remember in the episode "Hereafter" that kid that could see how people died when he touched them never seen an end to Clark (not that SV is known for connecting its episodes perfectly :o )

What are your thoughts? Does he live forever, or since they (the Legion) had obviously never met him does he eventually die?

[HowardFilms]

No, I think he dies well before the 31st century.

[Liquid-Prince]

Actually he forms the Legion, so he should be around for a very long time. I think he eventually might go missing or something.

[TECHWON]

yeah Kal-El is suppsoed to live for a long time

[HowardFilms]

When did they say he forms the Legion?

I'm pretty sure they just did it led by his example. Those three on tonight created the Legion in other incarnations of it (Comics, cartoons, etc.)

[Krypton935]

yeah i'm pretty sure hes not immortal and he can just liive for a long time

[Jephael]

It is possible for him to live that long, though I'm sure by the time he's 1,000 he'll look like an average 80 year-old.

[Estro-gen X]

Actually he forms the Legion, so he should be around for a very long time. I think he eventually might go missing or something.

Cosmic Boy, Lightning Lad and Saturn Girl form the legion after saving a wealthy man called RJ Brande from being killed.

[ally_kat90]

I took from it that he was still alive.

Did they not say that he was their friend?

[harold1701]

I wish they weren't called the legion of superheroes it's too close to sounding like the legion of doom. They could have been called the league of superheroes. That sounds better too.

[HalJordan4184]

They were also an early form of the Legion. They probably haven't been heroes long. They didn't have the Code fully in place yet.

Superman in some incarnations is still alive in Legion time. Just not necessarily on Earth. There were even periods of lost history due to wars, alien invasions, and all that. Simply because the Legion, at that point, hadn't actually met Superman, doesn't mean that Clark is dead by then. Quite the contrary, he could very well still be alive, just somewhere else.

[roccanater]

They were also an early form of the Legion. They probably haven't been heroes long. They didn't have the Code fully in place yet.

Superman in some incarnations is still alive in Legion time. Just not necessarily on Earth. There were even periods of lost history due to wars, alien invasions, and all that. Simply because the Legion, at that point, hadn't actually met Superman, doesn't mean that Clark is dead by then. Quite the contrary, he could very well still be alive, just somewhere else.

That's what I thought.

[Blue Orange NY]

I though of the same....I thought SM lived for ever....so I kinda of checked out all of the LOSH cartoons and in every version it seems like SM isn't around....like if he had passed.....


They were also an early form of the Legion. They probably haven't been heroes long. They didn't have the Code fully in place yet.

Superman in some incarnations is still alive in Legion time. Just not necessarily on Earth. There were even periods of lost history due to wars, alien invasions, and all that. Simply because the Legion, at that point, hadn't actually met Superman, doesn't mean that Clark is dead by then. Quite the contrary, he could very well still be alive, just somewhere else.

[Iluvgreen]

He dies before the 31st century.

[Blue Orange NY]

the epi did kind of showed that the LOSH were just beginning in my opinion because at the end when SG had Brainiac, she said hopefully Brainiac 5 would be better....and B5 is in the LOSH...please correct me if i'm wrong

[cma_454]

In at least one version (not sure it's the current one) Superman (who is immortal) leaves Earth for hundreds of years following the death of Lois Lane. He returns only when he has developed a means to bring her back to life, and make her also immortal.
In this version he’s been gone from Earth for centuries at the time of the Legion.

[REebee52]

Isn't Clark supposed to live for a very, very long time? Why did the legion only know him through history books?

[llk6165]

different universe

[dru-zod2501]

numerous possible answers. Maybe he does die before the age of the Legion, or maybe he moves on from Earth at some point

[cksidekick]

maybe he does leave Earth in the future...like in 2075...but he can still travel to the future before then to go on all sorts of adventures with the Legion...

[Orbital2]

different universe

I thought it was rather interesting as its been suggested in several episodes of the series that Clark will live forever

[pizzahead2490]

Isn't Clark supposed to live for a very, very long time? Why did the legion only know him through history books?

i swear to god i told my bro the same damn thing. i was like why do they not know him personally!!!! i always thought superman was part of the friggin legion:confused:

[Black Panda]

In the Legion comics I read the most of he was a historical figure. I miss my Marc Waid reboot pre Kara... I miss my Brainiac V. Just goes to show there is more than one way to tell a tale.

[Estro-gen X]

i swear to god i told my bro the same damn thing. i was like why do they not know him personally!!!! i always thought superman was part of the friggin legion:confused:

Yes but he time travels to be a part of the legion


In the Legion comics I read the most of he was a historical figure. I miss my Marc Waid reboot pre Kara... I miss my Brainiac V. Just goes to show there is more than one way to tell a tale.

I miss my Mark Waid reboot with Kitson art. Once Kitson left the whole thing didn't get better until manapul and shooter joined. Besides I have no idea why Waid left so soon when he had loads of plot stands loose.

[pizzahead2490]

Yes but he time travels to be a part of the legion





so he dosent live to the 31st cent??? how long is his lifespan anyways??

[Estro-gen X]

so he dosent live to the 31st cent??? how long is his lifespan anyways??

Its really never been stated. In All Star Superman he goes and lives in the sun after he considers his job to be done. In Kingdom Come he is an 80 year old man when the legion are around. To be honest we will never have superman get old and retire in the main DCU for any length of time so its never really been explored.

[defga]

I don't think he's intended to live forever, but people can say he'll live forever when compared to a human lifespan. The point is, he'll outlive everybody he knows by a long shot, but probably not a full millenium.

[pizzahead2490]

didnt he marry maxima when lois died of old age or something like that??

[Estro-gen X]

didnt he marry maxima when lois died of old age or something like that??

In Kingdom Come he married wonder woman whe Lois was bludgeoned to death by the Joker.

[Viper2369]

They actually never say he isn't around anymore. If you rewatch the episode (as I am now because of this thread, lol) in the beginning of the episode, they are talking to him as if he is there with them in the future.

Take the one line for example, they came from all over the universe to work together with him.

I admit it does get confusing later on, when they are talking about learning stuff from history. But you have to take into account, they weren't with Superman from the beginning, so they have to learn about all he has done and his influences before their arrival from history records. Also, when they are talking about learning from history, they are usually talking about people associated with Clarke, who obviously will not be around anymore to tell the story.

[ForzaItalia]

In the cartoon the Legion time travels back to Smallville and say they've never met Clark before
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Huplpa_wEOc

[herolee10]

You know, I could have swore that one of the producers said in a interview that it was Superman himself that sent the LOS back in time to fix a problem. I guess they must have changed their minds about that one.

[lordroy]

Here is another thing, in the comics, did not Superman help CREATE "The Legion", therefor he would have made the number one rule "Preserve Life"... but these guys seem to "add" it as their number one rule AFTER they meet CK in the past. Bad writing IMHO.

-=R=-

[Kii]

In DC One Million, Superman spent 15,000 years in the Sun.

[REebee52]

When in Kingdom Come does it ever show or say anything about the Legion? It never shows an 80 year old Clark, as I recall. Though the fact that he aged at all is my only complaint about that story line. He should still look in his prime, like Wonder Woman did. he shouldn't have had that grey hair. Especially since he was in the "peak of his invulnerability."

Anyway, in Smallville it was established Clark lives for a long time. The meteor freak who saw how people died saw Clark's cape flapping over Eart hand said "It seemed like you go on forever." (though, maybe he should have seen Doomsday and then a rebirth? Eh, whatever).
And then Clark's future showed him in a massive Graveyard surrounded by tombstones as far as he could see. (i.e. everyone dead but him).

[dru-zod2501]

When in Kingdom Come does it ever show or say anything about the Legion? It never shows an 80 year old Clark, as I recall. Though the fact that he aged at all is my only complaint about that story line. He should still look in his prime, like Wonder Woman did. he shouldn't have had that grey hair. Especially since he was in the "peak of his invulnerability."
the Legion is shown in one panel in the original story.

In the final issue of the companion story that's been running through JSA for the last few months, KC Kal is shown as he ages through the centuries since the end of KC. The last shot is of Kal looking well into his 80s or 90s as the Legion flies overhead (the same shot from the original story, just from a different angle).

So the KC Kal is alive at least for a millenium. If he has descendents (like in KC), then it's wholly possible they could carry on the Super-name long after he's retired

[nipvillesmlltuk]

Here is another thing, in the comics, did not Superman help CREATE "The Legion", therefor he would have made the number one rule "Preserve Life"... but these guys seem to "add" it as their number one rule AFTER they meet CK in the past. Bad writing IMHO.

-=R=-

I don't quite understand that. I was wondering and still am, WHY would the Legion's first instinct be to kill Braniac/Chloe? Their 'code' was to kill the host in order to rid of Braniac but then when Clark was talking to Lana in the end, he said that it was basically him being raised by humans that made him who he is today...you know that preserve life thing.

So why did the Legion at first go against that or didn't even understand the concept of it? If Clark IS in the future (3009) wouldn't it make sense for everyone from that time to follow his codes?

I'm asking because I'm not a comic book reader really so that just flew right over me. :confused:


Also, I'm not understanding about the Chloe/Legion thing. Is she NOW in the future because they came back and sort of changed history? And not only that, but now that they know who she is, won't they know her in the future?

Sorry, I'm really confused... :(

[mark08201981]

Superman is theoretically immortal. Currently, he's lived to the 853rd century(well past the Legion). I forget the year he left, but he left Earth some time before the Legion and traveled beyond the edge of the universe. When he returned, he went into the sun, made it a supersun and powered the Supermen for thousands of years until he finally returned.

[axisoftime]

The Legion traveled back in time to recruit superboy to join them.They were already established.Clark had a signal device in his room that was activated when they needed him.He was able to time travel on his own.Saturn Girl put him on a post-hypnotic spell that when he returned to the 20th century he would forget anything of a personal nature.1 time he met Supergirl but forgot when he came back.He wasnt still alive in the 30th century.In the Legion TV show he went into the future as Clark and became Superman there-even going to a Superman museum to get his costume.

[Primal Slayer]

Isn't Clark supposed to live for a very, very long time? Why did the legion only know him through history books?

While he does live longer than your average human, he doesnt live all the way until the Legion era. I dont think there has been any mention of the current Superman living until the Legions era. Plus he could be killed before then or choose to die with Lois.

But its obvious that Superman is not in this Legions era. He is dead by then. He did not create them, he just inspired them to come together and they formed a lot of their rules based on what they knew of him. Plus since Brainic 5 is just now joining the Legion, it just comes to show how different things are for them. Since Brainic is totally different in SV.

[HalJordan4184]

While he does live longer than your average human, he doesnt live all the way until the Legion era. I dont think there has been any mention of the current Superman living until the Legions era. Plus he could be killed before then or choose to die with Lois.

But its obvious that Superman is not in this Legions era. He is dead by then. He did not create them, he just inspired them to come together and they formed a lot of their rules based on what they knew of him. Plus since Brainic 5 is just now joining the Legion, it just comes to show how different things are for them. Since Brainic is totally different in SV.

Since current Superman is currently in flux, the most we have to go on is the Kingdom Come Superman storyline from JSA, or the DC One Million storyline, both of which have Superman alive in the Legion's time.

[alejandrita439]

i think he died :o:(

[Primal Slayer]

Clark isnt immortal, not in current DC and most likely not in Smallville. He just ages slower than your average human when he hits his prime. Plus he can always be killed...

[alejandrita439]

maybe he used blue kryptonite :o

[Primal Slayer]

Even though the KC Superman lived to see the Legion rise, he was still an old man which would mean he will die one day of natural causes.

[Black Panda]

I miss my Mark Waid reboot with Kitson art. Once Kitson left the whole thing didn't get better until manapul and shooter joined. Besides I have no idea why Waid left so soon when he had loads of plot stands loose.
Could it have anything to do with that One Year Later thing where they forced Poochie - I mean Kara - in and she totally derailed his plotlines? I know she's iconic and all and traditionally the League works with Superman, but that was really an unwelcome left turn for me at least.


While he does live longer than your average human, he doesnt live all the way until the Legion era. I dont think there has been any mention of the current Superman living until the Legions era.
I don't think so either, but I've dropped the book from my pull list a while back.


Plus since Brainic 5 is just now joining the Legion, it just comes to show how different things are for them. Since Brainic is totally different in SV.
Yeah, that doesn't fit anything I know about, but with Smallville it will turn out to be some Silver Age origin that everyone has forgotten about.

[susangail]

What little I remember from the Silver Age comics is that Clark worked with the Legion several times as Superboy, not as Superman, through time travel.

[Jlvsclrk]

To put it kindly, DC continuity is very fluid. There's no way to answer this question since they rebooted the entire multi-verse in Infinite Crisis and haven't addressed the question since. In the Smallville AU, Hereafter shows that he could potentially be immortal, but he also has the power to change the future.

[badraven]

As JV posted- can't really answer that question. Superman in the comics has been rebooted several times. After all he was introduced around World War II and fought during the war in the comic books at that time. Obviously the current Superman/Clark Kent in the comic books wasn't around and fighting during WWII. Also his power levels have changed drastically over the decades, going up and down. During the '70's Superman could blow out Suns like a person can blow out a candle. It also depends on the writer. I've read stories where Superman is essentially immortal and others where he ages just like a human.

That said Smallville itself has made some comments on Clark aging. In "Hourglass" (season 1, ep.6) Clark meets a seer. Being season 1 of course her powers come from contact with kryptonite. Clark touches the seer, which activates her power and she receives a vision of Clark's future. Clark, in what the seer says is very different from everyone else she has touched, also "sees" the vision. Basically Clark is shown alive in a graveyard surronded by headstones with the names of everyone he knows and loves (his parents, Chole, Pete, Lana, etc.) My take was/is that Clark is going to out live everyone he knows.

Also in "Hereafter" (season 3, ep.12) Clark meets another kryto-powered guy who, when he touches someone, can see when they are going to die. The boy (I think he was supposed to be a little younger than Clark at the time) accidentally touches Clark. His vision, which Clark doesn't "see," shows a red cape waving. To me it looked like an above shot of Clark flying to some kind of star looking object far off in the distance with his cape flowing behind him (also making it so we couldn't really see him.) BTW- if I remember correctly that F/X shot won for best Superman momment on the Kryptonsite awards for season 3...yep I've been watching SV and looking at K-Site for along time :). At the end of the episode, after Clark helps the boy, he tells Clark that he touched Clark too and his 'death' vision was unlike anything he had ever seen. He said it was like Clark was never going to die. Clark of course tries to blow the whole thing off, telling him that he must have gotten it wrong as he (Clark) is just like everyone else.

Judging from those two episodes it seems that SV shows that, at the very least, Clark/Superman is going to live for a LONG time. Of course that presupposes that the show runners on SV remember those 2 episodes and what happened in them. Never their strong suit. :)

[Kid Collins]

Long enough to have multiple harem of wives!!