"We have never heard a thing about Chloe Sullivan"

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Ooh! They've never heard of Chloe? :lol:

I'm sorry but that whole scene was awesome! I think that was foreshadowing that Chloe will never be important to history :D ;)

[melissan02]

Ooh! They've never heard of Chloe? :lol:

I'm sorry but that whole scene was awesome! I think that was foreshadowing that Chloe will never be important to history :D ;)

:(......nah, :lol:

[erikamichelle614]

I think they're trying to explain why they created her character.. She was one of the characters not heard of in the comics and this kind of explains why..

[Liquid-Prince]

This episode has been full of awesomeness.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Nah it's just them saying Chloe isn't important, and that they've heard of Lois, Lana & Jimmy as they should ;)

[thehenry89]

they didnt even recognize her, which kinda blows any speculation that she'll be traveling under a "different" Name in the future.

[Estro-gen X]

its been pressed so hard at the end it will be about how chloe is important and how from the 31st century on she will be remembered.

[ThatLaneGirl]

The whole thing seriously freaks me out. She's a huge part of Clark's life.

[Chlarkislove]

I'm sorry, but then they also said that maybe Clark had hid her or renamed her because she had helped him become who he was and had all the information on meteor freaks, so basically they get that Chloe had helped shaped Clark into who he'll become because they saw the connection with the Isis foundation and Lana.

[rebecavaldez]

But but...it's CHLOE!

[ktina]

What they did was speculate.
One idea was that she had changed her name.
THE OTHER was that her death pushes Clark to his destiny.

The only certainty is that "Chloe Sullivan" is not known in the future, doesn't mean Chloe's not important. We don't know what will happen to her yet.

[Antiyonder]

I'm wondering then if they know anything about Lionel?

[theotherJane]

If this episode wasn't proof enough that Chloe's a goner, than I don't know what is.

[morena]

do not forget CHLOIS

Chloe will be as iconic Lois Lane, then to the world there isnt Chloe, only Lois (pen name?)

[thehenry89]

The mentioned Lois, Jimmy, and Lana. Satun girl recognized lana so I'm assuming that they have a pictures or holographs in the future. None of them had heard of or even knew what chloe looked like.

[We're Luthors...]

Chloe and Clark will probably go there seperate ways. The legion knew Lana, Lois and Jimmy because they were close to Clark when he did his heroic things. Chloe probably moves to LA or something and does her own big thing, and thats why the Legion didn't know who she was

[SuperFan85]

I'm surprised the Legion didnt mention Lex Luthor at all

[Poyntz]

It's odd they never heard of her since she married Jimmy and they know jimmy. LOL

[shamville]

Something tell me rokk know about chloe. He look like liarer to me. I watch him with chloe he want kill her and something tell me know her.

[celita]

yes and Rokk was going to kill her either way...so much for being that important, if she was they would have definetly not touch her or find another way

[theotherJane]

do not forget CHLOIS
Chloe will be as iconic Lois Lane, then to the world there isnt Chloe, only Lois (pen name?)



If that was the case then I don't recall the Legion saying anything about how this Chloe really resembles Lois Lane.

I mean think about it. They now know what Chloe looks like and they also mentioned Lois Lane, which means that they also know what Lois looks like, yet they never said "gee, this Chloe Sullivan person really looks like Lois Lane."

[LuckyLois]

Maybe Clark wants to hide her from Brianiac.

[jimmyolsenblues]

either they changed history and now they do know who chloe is or chloe becomes someone else like oracle.

[celita]

but that's the thing IMO if Chloe was someone else in the future, with just see her they would go "awww that's 'Chloe'" but they were willing to kill here.....if they know about her under other name they would have find another way to release her from Brianiac and not kill her.....Grath was going to do it and Garth is like CK number one fan...he wouldn't have volunteer to kill her and he wasn't hesitant until the end that I think killing anybody its terrifying for any person

[Becc]

Maybe they're from an alternate future where Chloe doesn't exist. If they knew about Jimmy they would have known that he was married to Chloe. Perhaps in their reality there never was a Chloe Sullivan.

[davidbrenton]

No, it's evident they were foreshadowing the death of Chloe Sullivan. It's happening this season.

[nede]

ok we dnt know wats gunna happen but im NOT ruling out the fact that chloe is the real lois...if clark can wear glasses nd look like someone else completly in the eyes of others than chloe can easiily change her hair color and length in order 2 look like another..

even lighting lad was doubting who he was..nd for all we know the legion might of never seen how they look like.....correct me if im wrong..but she knew lana founded Isis..so she new to find her there and then she was like " Lana ?" so she knew if it was her

[myankskent]

Since Jimmy is known to the "Legion", you'd think that Chloe would at least be known as Jimmy's ex-wife or something. I don't know, but that last Chlark scene definitely gave me the impression that something is going to happen to Chloe. Chloe was saying that she hopes that Clark would do what's best for the world and not for her. I wonder if Clark will face something like this at season's end.

[Storm45]

Apparently the LOSH don't know much more about Clark's pre-Superman days than we did before watching Smallville.

LOSH's history books= Our world's comic books.

[deanropi]

They didn't know about Chloe, but they knew about a baseball?

[Becc]

No, it's evident they were foreshadowing the death of Chloe Sullivan. It's happening this season.

If they were simply foreshadowing her death then they would know about her, because she was such an important part of Clark's life. It's more likely that she never existed in their world.

[Kid Collins]

Maybe it's because Chloe changes her name to Lois Lane! :lol:

[JFalcon]

If Chloe Sullivan isn't in the future, then Clark/Kal-El never told them about her. Sometime in the near future, Chloe probably gets an identity change to protect her. So, in the future Clark/Kal-El is protecting her secret.

[morena]

either they changed history and now they do know who chloe is or chloe becomes someone else like oracle.

ya
Clark changed what was suppose to happen, he changed the future. So the future that the Legion came from no longer applies to Chloe anymore

[Becc]

If Chloe Sullivan isn't in the future, then Clark/Kal-El never told them about her. Sometime in the near future, Chloe probably gets an identity change to protect her. So, in the future Clark/Kal-El is protecting her secret.

That's also another distinct possibility, that Clark deliberately kept her hidden for some reason, the only reason I can think of for him doing that would be to protect her.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

do not forget CHLOIS

If only we could.



Chloe will be as iconic Lois Lane, then to the world there isnt Chloe, only Lois (pen name?)

Give me a break! :rolleyes:

[Estro-gen X]

Apparently the LOSH don't know much more about Clark's pre-Superman days than we did before watching Smallville.

LOSH's history books= Our world's comic books.

Sometimes. The first legion which we just saw had history books. then the series was rebooted and superman wasn't a part of it at all they looked up to Valor AKA M'onel. They rebooted again in 2005 and yes their history does come from comic books which is why they are stunned when supergirl appears because they think she's fictional.

[Polomontana]

The Legion were great and they put together the right actors and actress to play the parts.

The only thing that wasn't explained was why they didn't know Chloe. They knew of Lana, Jimmy and Lois but they didn't know about Chloe in the Annals of History.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Not a plothole, it's just yet to be explained, I think.

[davidbrenton]

Uhhh, hello? It was the big mystery set up for the second half of the season.


Expect to find out the answer in the season finale.

[Estro-gen X]

I think that is a massive hint that chloe won't make it out of this season.

[nede]

Sometimes. The first legion which we just saw had history books. then the series was rebooted and superman wasn't a part of it at all they looked up to Valor AKA M'onel. They rebooted again in 2005 and yes their history does come from comic books which is why they are stunned when supergirl appears because they think she's fictional.

exactly...things change...like lana said...they dont know everything..
and also things change..futures change..just by them going back in time prolly changed alot...just like chloe was new 2 us wen smallville came out..she's new 2 them.

i like how clark defended chloe...wen they said " we have never heard a thing about chloe sullivan"

Clark: Then you dont know me as well as you think

[Hopefulsuicide]

i dont think it's a plot hole... it's so obviously not explained that they must have a plan to explain it, and i find that intriguing

[dru-zod2501]

Maybe chloe got shifted even farther into the future than the 31st century, where she gets a real hero for herself instead of living in Clark's shadow for 1000 years. They wouldn't know about her in the past because she's in their future

[Iolanthe]

Actually, I thought that was a not-so-subtle nod to the actual show where Goughlar introduced Chloe as a character who was curious and investigated, sort of a proto-Lois Lane. My understanding is that they couldn't use the Lois name (at least not till Season Four -they must have worked out some sort of deal) so Chloe was the one who looks under rocks, finds things out of the ordinary, doesn't settle for Clark's lame excuses, etc.

Yes, Chloe has not been in any of the comic books or movies or TV series about Superman until, of course, this one.

I'm really wondering now what's going to become of Chloe. It's actually quite refreshing - a character who is free. We know what's going to happen to Clark, to Lana, to Lois, even to Jimmy Olsen. We know that they end up working at the Daily Planet or marrying Pete Ross or whatever. It's comic-book predestination.

But Chloe? She could go anywhere, be anything. What an opportunity!

[Hopefulsuicide]

I think that is a massive hint that chloe won't make it out of this season.

i dont think so... i mean if she simple died then they would still have heard of her... but maybe Clark has to get jor-el to sort of mystically hide her or something...

[ManOfSteel87]

The way I took it, in their original timeline Brainiac had taken over Chloe and only by killing her was Brainiac destroyed. Her "death" caused her to be forgotten in history. Now that they were able to defeat Brainiac without killing Chloe, she will now be remembered in history. Maybe I'm wrong though.

[Deana]

Actually that was a pretty loaded answer. Chloe could end up in the future like that baseball that nobody could find. She could end up in another dimension. She could die.

I kind of felt like they were using arguments from the internet and incoperating them into the show.

Chloe's name changing and she becoming someone else: Chlois theory(when pigs fly)!
Chloe not being important in Clark's future: Comic Book Fans Stance(me)!

[Kal26]

I don't think it's a plot hole at all. In the Legion of Superheroes cartoon, Braniac Five says that most of the factual documents about Supermans origin were lost in the great Crisis. It could be something along those lines. They may know a lot about Superman's past, but they can't know about everything, and everyone. If Chloe doesn't make a mark on society, hangs out in the background, changes her name, or dies later on, they would have no reason to know her name. They are only going to know the people who are directly in contact with Clark once he's established as Superman. They don't really know that much about him before he donned the cape. If they did, they wouldn't have been so shocked about how different he was. To me, a plot hole would be something that can't, or won't be explained logically. I think this has a number of explanations, and will eventually unfold in the story, as many things have on this show. To me, it was also a nod to the comics, because no one in the comics has any knowledge of Chloe Sullivan.

[Loisdragon]

I thought that was funny and messed up at the same time

[Polomontana]

It makes no sense, they know Clark hit a baseball across Smallville when he was little, but they don't know Chloe who played a major role in his life?

Edit: I mean Chloe

[ManOfSteel87]

It makes no sense, they know Clark hit a baseball across Smallville when he was little, but they don't know Lois who played a major role in his life?

They did know Lois, it was Chloe they had never heard of.

[thehenry89]

They didn't know about Chloe, but they knew about a baseball?

:lol: my thoughts exactly.

[Storm45]

Sometimes. The first legion which we just saw had history books. then the series was rebooted and superman wasn't a part of it at all they looked up to Valor AKA M'onel. They rebooted again in 2005 and yes their history does come from comic books which is why they are stunned when supergirl appears because they think she's fictional.

Thanks for the infos.



like how clark defended chloe...wen they said " we have never heard a thing about chloe sullivan"

Clark: Then you dont know me as well as you think

That's very touching.

I don't want to romanticized Chlark but that quote above reminds me of the movie Titanic. The main character Rose DeWitt now 80 years-old tells the story of how a certain Jack Dawson had a huge impact in her life when she was 17 years-old. Others never heard of him and said he wasn't listed on the passenger's list. She never talked about him to anyone. She never had a single pciture of him. All the memories she had of him she kept him in her heart.
Still he was an important person in Rose's life. One of the persons she cherished the most.

So in answer to the OP, yes Chloe is already important in Superman's life. No matter if other people from another century will never hear about her.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

I think that is a massive hint that chloe won't make it out of this season.

Exactly what I was thinking! I think it pretty much says that Chloe isn't a part of Superman's life for one reason or another.

[Polomontana]

I don't think Chloe is going to die.

It will be a Plothole.

Lana said, the future can be changed and this will explain how they didn't know about Chloe.

If they knew about Clark hitting a baseball across Smallville, they will know about Chloe.

[Niad]

to bad they didint kill her other wise clark would fly

[xrayvision]

This episode made Chloe's future very ambiguous. But Clark's line at the end--about nothing happening to Chloe as long as he is around--is very ominous to me. It gives me a feeling that Clark will be taken out by Doomsday and when that happens is when Chloe will die.

I had the same feeling in Solitude after Martha was saved and Clark had that scene at the end with Jonathan in the barn talking about death and someone close to him dying as Jor-El said. That scene gave me a hint that it was Jonathan and it turned out to be true.

[Poyntz]

No ... Originally he defeated Brianiac by using the chrystal that the villian distroyed. Using the chystal made them able to get rid of brainiac without killing the Host. They pointed that out alot of times actually through the episode.

Edit : I was replying to ManOfSteel87 i forgot to put that in my post

[cbl1]

Ok Clark now has a Legion ring to allow him to transport to the future. We know that isn't going to happen on the show. Then they foreshadow that Chloe is going to die or disappear from history - and then Chloe makes you think she is going to die when she tells Clark that if it came to it he should sacrifice her for humanity.

Even if she tells him that Clark would never make that choice - and it is too easy a setup. What seems like to me is that it has really been setup that something happens to Chloe and the only way to save her is to send her to the future.

That explains what the ring can be used for and explains why Chloe is missing from history. The Legion doesn't know who she is since she hasn't yet arrived there.

And Clark can't tell people what happened to Chloe for the history books because that would then be him revealing future events and the future Legion so he can not tell that story.

[ManOfSteel87]

Yeah, I know that he was originally supposed to defeat Brainiac with the crystal, but here's my train of thought, just to try and keep it from being a plothole. . .

When Persuader destroyed the crystal, that would've changed the future into one where the host for Brainiac was killed to destroy him, which in turn could have also affected what the Legion remembered from history. However, Clark was able to change the timeline again when he came up with a way to destroy Brainiac without killing Chloe. Now, Chloe will be remembered in history.

And then it is quite possible that there will be more to it than we know, and will be reveal as the season continues.

[ChlarkRomance]

Okay, so let me spell it out...

Clark Kent - Chloe's BFF
Lios Lane - Chole's Cousin
Jimmy Olsen - Chole's Husband (still mad about that)
Lana Lang - Chole's Friend
Pete Ross - Chloe's is his first love/BFF from High School

Reguardless of what happens to Chloe in the future, she's still very close to those people now, I mean come on. She's a huge impact on Clark's life. She did the whole 'for the common good' speech. She's a huge part of what makes Clark Superman. She has to be somewhere in there. Maybe the Legion needs to open their eyes and ears. And, people can change so much that they are unrecognized...

I'm tellin' you Chlois all the way!

~A

[Polomontana]

Yeah, I know that he was originally supposed to defeat Brainiac with the crystal, but here's my train of thought, just to try and keep it from being a plothole. . .

When Persuader destroyed the crystal, that would've changed the future into one where the host for Brainiac was killed to destroy him, which in turn could have also affected what the Legion remembered from history. However, Clark was able to change the timeline again when he came up with a way to destroy Brainiac without killing Chloe. Now, Chloe will be remembered in history.

And then it is quite possible that there will be more to it than we know, and will be reveal as the season continues.

Exactly, and now they will add Chloe to the Annals of History.

[Poyntz]

i now offically have a headache LOL i alwys got confused by timelines :)

[superhippie2000]

not a plothole we may just find out later or maybe it was joking at how chloe has never been in the comics :lol:

[Batman/Superman#1]

It means she will die.

[Becc]

Once again if she simply dies, they would still know about her. I really think they're from an AU future.

[Moonshayde]

I think there is a lot of overthinking on this. The episode addressed the ambiguity over Chloe's fate. Since we never heard of Chloe in any other media before, they are showing us that something must happen in the past to address this. The Legion serves as the audience. We all don't know what will happen to Chloe. She could die. She could work behind the scenes and no one knows her. She could change her name and work under an alias. We just don't know.

Why isn't she mentioned? We'll learn by the series end.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I'm tellin' you Chlois all the way!

I think DC would have something to say about that.

[Blue Orange NY]

Good point.....now thinking about it....yea it's a mystery....perhaps it will turn out later on


It makes no sense, they know Clark hit a baseball across Smallville when he was little, but they don't know Chloe who played a major role in his life?

Edit: I mean Chloe

[JFalcon]

It means she will die.


Jimmy isn't married to her in the comics. So, some how that has to end. Killing here is the easiest way.

But, I like Chloe's character, and I hope they don't.

[biggkoz]

Shes a clone

[Iluvgreen]

I think it was showing how she's not in the comic book right now, but the future is gonna change... Maybe that's wishful thinking, but I don't want her to die. And she is already important in Clark's history.

[Kal26]

Only three people knew about the baseball. John, Martha, and Clark. So, it's a rather easy explanation. Later on in his life, Clark tells the story to other members of the League, and boom, it makes it's way to the history books. They end up passing the story down as a sort of blurb about the man of steel. However, if for Chloe's safety, no one ever speaks of her as knowing Superman, or she died as a result of Bainiac, she wouldn't be included in his history. They didn't say anything about Pete Ross, who was his best friend for many years, and the first one to know his secret. But, as you have stated, now Chloe will be known, so problem solved. It's still not a plot hole because it has an explanation that makes sense. There is a reason she wasn't known, but due to the change in the timeline, she is now known, and that reason has been changed. Now, if they had never heard of say, Martha, who was the earth mother of the man of steel, of if they hadn't heard of a version of Chloe, who ended up being a Superhero who fought beside Superman, and there was no explanation for this, I'd say it was a plot hole. But we had an explanation, she was supposed to die, or she was left out for another reason that may come later in the series. Either way, she's known now.

[Iluvgreen]

It's just not explained yet, that's all. They will answer the question one of these days... I think that Clark changed the future today.

[Becc]

You can't tell me that in the Smallville reality that Chloe dying wouldn't have a profound impact on Clark. It would change his world- and if that had happened the legion would have known about it.

That's why there must be several different realities. Didn't Geoff Johns himself state that he saw Smallville as an AU reality which goes a long way to explain how Lex knew Clark while he was a teenager. Lois meeting Clark before he had finished high school and created the Superman persona etc. Which means that I guess Smallville could do virtually what it wants to do- Chloe doesn't have to die for the so-called mythos, hell Clark doesn't even have to be with Lois he could end up with Lana instead.

[MsSullivan]

Chloe not being important in Clark's future: Comic Book Fans Stance(me)!

Speak for yourself. I love me my comics just as much as I love Chloe.

I think its adding fuel to the Chlois fire and I like it. I haven't watched this season as carefully but this comes hand in hand with her comment about pen names earlier in the season :)

[ManOfSteel87]

It's kind of like Back to the Future, when Marty goes back in time and gets involved with the first meeting of his parents. When that was messed up, he begins to be erased from history. This is sort of the same thing.

In the original timeline, Brainiac took over the host (Chloe) and was defeated by Clark using the crystal

Persuader shows up and destroys the crystal. The timeline is changed where the host (Chloe) was killed to defeat Brainiac which effectively erased her from history and therefore from the memories of the Legion.

Clark figures out a way to defeat Brainiac and still save Chloe, which restores her place in the timeline and allows her to take her place in history and therefore into the memories of the Legion.

This is the way I'm choosing to look at it anyways.

[Kal26]

That's a very good explanation.

[6-Super-Man -5]

Thats not a plothole, we'll have to wait and see.
Maybe Chloe does die...

[JFalcon]

A future Kal-El could be just protecting her identity.

[cksidekick]

has anyone entertained the idea that Chloe is a writer? perhaps she IS known in history under a pen name...perhaps she writes the first autobiography of Superman...perhaps she writes the "first" history book with all those little details...

[Becc]

MsSullivan I love your avatar

[Kal26]

Good point ck, if she writes it, she'd definitely leave herself out.

[Deana]

Speak for yourself. I love me my comics just as much as I love Chloe.

I think its adding fuel to the Chlois fire and I like it. I haven't watched this season as carefully but this comes hand in hand with her comment about pen names earlier in the season :)Then apparently I wasn't talking about you now was I? I meant the comic book fans who feel this way. Is this Sasame Street? Why do people just pick one piece of your post and run with it? I said that if felt like they were addressing the fans on the net who were comic book fans who felt that way about Chloe.

[Becc]

Sorry but if the comic book fans want the show to be like the comic books so much, why bother watching, why don't you just stick to the comic books. It's always refreshing to have something different.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I think its adding fuel to the Chlois fire and I like it.

Well, if that's adding fuel to the MTM (Mock the Mythos) fire, then I can't wait to see the fire put out when Hex airs. :lol:

[Polomontana]

has anyone entertained the idea that Chloe is a writer? perhaps she IS known in history under a pen name...perhaps she writes the first autobiography of Superman...perhaps she writes the "first" history book with all those little details...

Good point.

Maybe she's a writer who changes her name.

I don't think Chloe is going to die but there were some hints that pointed in both directions.

She told Clark that he might have to kill her in order to save humanity.

Also, the Legion talked about Chloe's death might be the reason that he flies. That was an odd comment as to the reason why he flies and maybe traces of Brainiac are still in Chloe and Clark will have to kill her and out of anger he flies for the first time.

[thehenry89]

Well, if that's adding fuel to the MTM (Mock the Mythos) fire, then I can't wait to see the fire put out when Hex airs. :lol:

can't wait for that.:D

[Deana]

Sorry but if the comic book fans want the show to be like the comic books so much, why bother watching, why don't you just stick to the comic books. It's always refreshing to have something different.Are you trying not to get my point? Who cares about the fans that feels that way(me)! I said it felt like they were addressing those particular fans thoughts.

I watch it for Lois Lane who they brought in for Season Four. I also watch it because of Clark Kent, Oliver Queen, and Shelby.

[xrayvision]

Sorry but if the comic book fans want the show to be like the comic books so much, why bother watching, why don't you just stick to the comic books. It's always refreshing to have something different.

Mainly because we'd like to watch what we read in the comics on our TV screen in the way the true creators of the characters intended them to be.

I like a lot of the freedoms the show is taking and don't have a problem with Chloe as long as her role is not take the destructive toll it did on Clark's role in seasons 5-7.

[Becc]

Mainly because we'd like to watch what we read in the comics on our TV screen in the way the true creators of the characters intended them to be.

I like a lot of the freedoms the show is taking and don't have a problem with Chloe as long as her role is not take the destructive toll it did on Clark's role in seasons 5-7.

I do understand that but wouldn't that essentially just make Smallville a rehash of the cartoon etc. I really like the idea that Smallville is an AU, things can be familiar but don't have to follow this set in stone theory of what must happen.

[Firebunny]

I think what's important is that Chloe's future is unknown. She's the wildcard on Smallville and TPTB are basically acknowledging that. We know how everything turns out except for Chloe.

They gave up two options here 1.) a name change (which would suggest she is known in the future, just not as Chloe Sullivan. 2.) she dies but her death has a profound influence on Clark and propels him to become Superman.

Neither option suggests she isn't important.

[Becc]

I think what's important is that Chloe's future is unknown. She's the wildcard on Smallville and TPTB are basically acknowledging that. We know how everything turns out except for Chloe.

They gave up two options here 1.) a name change (which would suggest she is known in the future, just not as Chloe Sullivan. 2.) she dies but her death has a profound influence on Clark and propels him to become Superman.

Neither option suggests she isn't important.

What I'm trying to point out is that is it's option 2 she would have been known to the legion.

[celita]

Yes Chloe is Lois taht's why Garth who hasnt take a book or seeing a photo or an hologram was going to kill her without second thought....give me a break

[thehenry89]

Yes Chloe is Lois taht's why Garth who hasnt take a book or seeing a photo or an hologram was going to kill her without second thought....give me a break

Exactly! Lois, Lana, Jimmy and Clark are in the history holograms, books archives W/E, and the legion of superhero's, who idolize everything superman, don't recognize Lois Lane and try to kill her. That makes no sense, and unless chloe undergoes massive plastic surgery and makes herself look like Lois, this adds no credibility to the chlois theory at all.

[double L]

Well as most have mentioned, it certainly makes you think she is going to die.

[Nibiru]

Chloe's departure from Kal El's life will act as a cataclysm, another huge step in his ultimate destiny. When Chloe leaves him, be it by death or otherwise, it will be as great a loss for him as any he's ever faced. It will "steel" him so to speak, and get Clark just a little closer to becoming Superman.

[Deana]

^^But Season 8 Clark is close to being Superman without a death to be a reason for him to do it. All he was missing before Legion was the suit and the ability to fly.

[celita]

Exactly! Lois, Lana, Jimmy and Clark are in the history holograms, books archives W/E, and the legion of superhero's, who idolize everything superman, don't recognize Lois Lane and try to kill her. That makes no sense, and unless chloe undergoes massive plastic surgery and makes herself look like Lois, this adds no credibility to the chlois theory at all.

Exactly if Chloe is alive then she has more plastic surgery than Michael Jackson...they didn't even blink when they saw her and you keep think and saying it ADDS fuel to the Chlois'??

Lois freaking Lane is infront of you being the biggest fan boy don't blink at all?? and are willing to kill your HERO'S wife without second thought?

Yeah righttttttt

[I_am_LEX]

She' prly the one that writes all about "Superman's" (Clark's) past and if she has her ability back, she can live forever like Clark can so she'll always be around. Her name prly gets changed... any ideas as to what the change could be though?

Another thing, they mentioned Lois Lane... interesting that Clark doesn't ask about her or how they know about those other people besides him, like why are they important. That would have been a good question.

[Nibiru]

I would agree that Chloe may not die if not for her absence from the Superman mythos in other media..comics,movies,etc. I hope they don't kill her. After this years events for her though I have to say the writing is on the wall. RIP Chloe 2009

[fuchsiaRose]

It was obvious. PS3 was taking another blow at Chloe fans again. First they mention that she doesn't exist and then they mention the rename thing as a way of poking fun at the CHLOIS theorists. Rude, but funny.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Well as most have mentioned, it certainly makes you think she is going to die.

Of natural causes, when she's older.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Since Jimmy is known to the "Legion", you'd think that Chloe would at least be known as Jimmy's ex-wife or something. I don't know, but that last Chlark scene definitely gave me the impression that something is going to happen to Chloe. Chloe was saying that she hopes that Clark would do what's best for the world and not for her. I wonder if Clark will face something like this at season's end.

There's been a lot of forshadowing this season, and especially in this episode.

Clark erasing Chloe's memory was forshadowed in "Identity," Ollie's comment about Clark's "island" is, I think, a reference to his fight with Doomsday, Garth hinted at bad things to come in his farewell to Clark, the possibility of Chloe's death propelling Clark to fly or even become Superman, and what you said.

[EternalTwilight]

I'm pretty sure she's going to die at the end of the series.

[Becc]

I'm pretty sure she's going to die at the end of the series.

That would be really cruel to all the Chloe fans :(

[morena]

see, Clark put glasses and people do not recognize him as a superman. is ridiculous, but that happens, that glasses would throw people off, then Chloe hair color change and name change, so they do not recognize, this is the premise.

for exemple :http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3982176&postcount=491
it could have been easily resolved if Edlois was in the episode, because they could see her and to say: legendary Lois Lane, but she convenient wasn't around


They spoke about Lex? I did not see the ep

[Nibiru]

I wonder if Tess' Injustice Gang will battle Ollie and company while Clark fights Doomsday? EPIC!!! How will Chloe be involved if this happens??

[thehenry89]

see, Clark put glasses and people do not recognize him as a superman. is ridiculous, but that happens, that glasses would throw people off, then Chloe hair color change and name change, so they do not recognize, this is the premise.
it could have been easily resolved if Edlois was in the episode, because they could see her and to say: legendary Lois Lane, but she convenient wasn't around

And yet they were going to kill the "Real Lois" without batting an eyelash :rolleyes:

last time i checked Lois was in star city watching over jimmy because chloe went missing and couldn't be there for him.

[Wicked Lois]

LOL Fake Lois Real Lois... this is SO funny.

[Iluvgreen]

Well, if that's adding fuel to the MTM (Mock the Mythos) fire, then I can't wait to see the fire put out when Hex airs.


Exactly!!!!!

[Becc]

And yet they were going to kill the "Real Lois" without batting an eyelash :rolleyes:

last time i checked Lois was in star city watching over jimmy because chloe went missing and couldn't be there for him.

I don't subscribe to the chlois theory at all but they probably would have if they believed there was no other option. Being a "superhero"is about making tough choices like that- simply being Lois wouldn't have saved her.

[celita]

the grasping strws is getting unbelievable

Chloe does change her name...to Michael Jackson

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I don't subscribe to the chlois theory at all but they probably would have if they believed there was no other option. Being a "superhero"is about making tough choices like that- simply being Lois wouldn't have saved her.

ehh killing Lois Lane is killing Superman's heart and you don't have to be a comic fan to know that:rolleyes:...whi knows and Clark never gets to be Superman or have the same morals

[thehenry89]

I don't subscribe to the chlois theory at all but they probably would have if they believed there was no other option. Being a "superhero"is about making tough choices like that- simply being Lois wouldn't have saved her.

My point is they didn't recognize her name or he face, so the probability that she's lois is less the half of one tenth of a percent.

I was replying specifcally to several arguments made by chloisers.

[Becc]

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ehh killing Lois Lane is killing Superman's heart and you don't have to be a comic fan to know that:rolleyes:...whi knows and Clark never gets to be Superman or have the same morals

Clark would still become Superman without Lois Lane there. Besides people lose their partners ( whether they be married or whatever) all the time and they go on to find other loves and continue with their lives.

[celita]

You don't know that you don't know if Clark become Superman (wait Superman the name won't exists. no Lois no name) Clark could just be a tyran.

Lois is his soulmate the one that keeps him on his feet. You can kill Lois that's killing Superman

[harryandginnyfanatic]

it could have been easily resolved if Edlois was in the episode

The Legion didn't care if Amchloe lived or died.

[Krypto~Luan]

they maybe changed the future people, does that not seem like a possibility, that was the day Braniac dies, perhaps the day chloe died, but now that she's alive, she may play a larger role in history.

[Becc]

You don't know that you don't know if Clark become Superman (wait Superman the name won't exists. no Lois no name) Clark could just be a tyran.

Lois is his soulmate the one that keeps him on his feet. You can kill Lois that's killing Superman

That's being very melodramatic and not at all realistic. Didn;t you state earlier that you were a comic book fan? If so then you would know that Clark becomes Superman before meeting Lois.

And yay this is my 100th post:rotfl:

[Crouching Lurker]

Ooh! They've never heard of Chloe? :lol:

I'm sorry but that whole scene was awesome! I think that was foreshadowing that Chloe will never be important to history :D ;)

She probably uses a different name in later in life for protection (no, not Lois Lane :rolleyes:). When they first said it I spent 3 minutes straight minutes fist pumping and laughing out loud! :rotfl:

[thehenry89]

That's being very melodramatic and not at all realistic. Didn;t you state earlier that you were a comic book fan? If so then you would know that Clark becomes Superman before meeting Lois.

And yay this is my 100th post:rotfl:

This is true in some story lines, but there are others where he becomes superman shortly after joining the daily planet staff. This was also an idea embraced in LnC.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

then you would know that Clark becomes Superman before meeting Lois.

Actually, he decides to become Superman after meeting Lois.

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That would be really cruel to all the Chloe fans :(

And killing Lionel (the non mytho MB) wasn't cruel to his fans?

If the story calls for it any non mytho character can be killed off.

[Becc]

This is true in some story lines, but there are others where he becomes superman shortly after joining the daily planet staff. This was also an idea embraced in LnC.

I am aware of that being a huge LnC fan (I loved that show and am rewatching the DVDs now). My point was his decision to become Superman never hinged solely on meeting Lois Lane, it was about making a difference while protecting his identity- Lois is not necessary for Clark's evolution to Superman.

[Gan-EL: the last son]

Ooh! They've never heard of Chloe? :lol:

I'm sorry but that whole scene was awesome! I think that was foreshadowing that Chloe will never be important to history :D ;)

I have to admit I loved that line, fantastic writing :D

[celita]

That's being very melodramatic and not at all realistic. Didn;t you state earlier that you were a comic book fan? If so then you would know that Clark becomes Superman before meeting Lois.

And yay this is my 100th post:rotfl:

I didn't say I was a comic fan I say that you don't need to be a comic fan t know that Lois is Clark's heart, yes he might become an hero before he meets her but he is not "Superman" without her. WIthout her Clark will be alone of his life his releationship with her its a big part of the hero he is.


Killing Lois changes the future changes Clark changes everything they wouldn't kill Lois even less a such cold blood when Lois is also a hero on her own she is also a legend she will be fomous she at leats would have earn some heisitation after KILLING HER

[Becc]

Actually, he decides to become Superman after meeting Lois.

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That was in LnC- I don't believe that's true of the comics.

And killing Lionel was cruel to his fans- though there was a certain irony to him being killed by his son when he was seeking redemption for all of his evil acts. Personally of that's the way the writers will deal with all the non mythos characters it would be pretty pathetic storytelling.

[thehenry89]

I am aware of that being a huge LnC fan (I loved that show and am rewatching the DVDs now). My point was his decision to become Superman never hinged solely on meeting Lois Lane, it was about making a difference while protecting his identity- Lois is not necessary for Clark's evolution to Superman.

no but it does make a difference. No one is arguing that lois is his reason for being superman, but there is an argument to be made that he wouldnt be the same man without her.

as we are referencing LNC at the moment, I would like to point out in the season three episode "Tempus, anyone?" alt clark had not developed the identity of superman, and did not until Lois literally pushed him to do so. Later in season four we discover that alt clark (who still hasn't found his lois lane) is a lonely and generally unhappy guy.

[Becc]

I didn't say I was a comic fan I say that you don't need to be a comic fan t know that Lois is Clark's heart, yes he might become an hero before he meets her but he is not "Superman" without her. WIthout her Clark will be alone of his life his releationship with her its a big part of the hero he is.


Killing Lois changes the future changes Clark changes everything they wouldn't kill Lois even less a such cold blood when Lois is also a hero on her own she is also a legend she will be fomous she at leats would have earn some heisitation after KILLING HER

It might be a big part but you do Clark a severe injustice by suggesting that he couldn't continue without Lois and without Lois he can't be Superman. Like I stated previously many people lose those who they love and continue on with other relationships and their lives, what makes Clark different?

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I don't believe that's true of the comics.

It is.

He saves a plane (Lois is one of the passengers) as Clark, wearing plain clothes. Flies away, comes back with two identities. Reporter for the Daily Planet and Superman.

[pizzahead2490]

that was funny in the episoded i laughed. but to me chole is important

[Becc]

no but it does make a difference. No one is arguing that lois is his reason for being superman, but there is an argument to be made that he wouldnt be the same man without her.

as we are referencing LNC at the moment, I would like to point out in the season three episode "Tempus, anyone?" alt clark had not developed the identity of superman, and did not until Lois literally pushed him to do so. Later in season four we discover that alt clark (who still hasn't found his lois lane) is a lonely and generally unhappy guy.

And could I just point out that version of Clark didn't have Jonathon and Martha Kent to raise him and spent his entire childhood in foster care.

I'm not saying Clark wouldn't be different without Lois, losing someone does change people but I believe Celita was arguing he couldn't be Superman without her.

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It is.

He saves a plane (Lois is one of the passengers) as Clark, wearing plain clothes. Flies away, comes back with two identities. Reporter for the Daily Planet and Superman.

Well then I stand corrected, but isn't it not meeting Lois but his need to protect his identity as Clark Kent?

[llk6165]

do not forget CHLOIS


Chloe will be as iconic Lois Lane, then to the world there isnt Chloe, only Lois (pen name?)


Nah, I was afraid of that at first, but someone in the "Do you miss Lois thread" promised me that would not happen.

[thehenry89]

And could I just point out that version of Clark didn't have Jonathon and Martha Kent to raise him and spent his entire childhood in foster care.

I'm not saying Clark wouldn't be different without Lois, losing someone does change people but I believe Celita was arguing he couldn't be Superman without her.




I see your point. But it was still Lois who pushed him to become superman. Lana was holding him back, and Lois stepped in and showed him that he could make a difference in a corrupt soceity.

even in the real time LnC timeline, clark goes to his parents with the idea of being superman after lois makes a comment about him bringing a spare suit to work.

[Becc]

I see your point. But it was still Lois who pushed him to become superman. Lana was holding him back, and Lois stepped in and showed him that he could make a difference in a corrupt soceity.

even in the real time LnC timeline, clark goes to his parents with the idea of being superman after lois makes a comment about him bringing a spare suit to work.

I see your point to, I just think that Clark doesn't need Lois to become Superman, she helps him but he would have gotten there on his own- mainly I think because of the values his parents raised him with and his inherent need to help out in the world.

[thehenry89]

I see your point to, I just think that Clark doesn't need Lois to become Superman, she helps him but he would have gotten there on his own- mainly I think because of the values his parents raised him with and his inherent need to help out in the world.

That's something we can both agree on. The Kent's are a big reason clark becomes the man he does in the future.

[Becc]

That's something we can both agree on. The Kent's are a big reason clark becomes the man he does in the future.

Absolutely :D

[celita]

But either way he woyuldn't be the same he would be alone and miserable for me Lois does has an impact in Clakr and in the world that's why killing her its not an option.

Clark it incomplete without Lois, Superman its incomplete without Lois. The love of his parnets it obviously different to the one from Lois

Lois is as impoortant as Superman she is an icon she wouldn't be killed without a blink of an eye. That's the point

[Becc]

But either way he woyuldn't be the same he would be alone and miserable for me Lois does has an impact in Clakr and in the world that's why killing her its not an option.

Clark it incomplete without Lois, Superman its incomplete without Lois. The love of his parnets it obviously different to the one from Lois

I'm not saying it replaces it I'm saying that no one needs another person to complete themselves- and if/when clark loses lois (it must happen because he has a longer life span) he will grieve, be sad, and miss her terribly but eventually he will move on and probably love again. People can and are capable of having more than one love in their lives. And I don't think Clark needs anyone to complete him. Have you watched Jerry Maguire too many times?

[thehenry89]

But either way he woyuldn't be the same he would be alone and miserable for me Lois does has an impact in Clakr and in the world that's why killing her its not an option.

Clark it incomplete without Lois, Superman its incomplete without Lois. The love of his parnets it obviously different to the one from Lois

Lois is as impoortant as Superman she is an icon she wouldn't be killed without a blink of an eye. That's the point

Very true.

I think the point of the alternate universe story line in LNC was to show us what clark would be like if he didn't have lois in his life. He was still saving lives and he was still superman (after Tempus, Anyone?), but it was obvious he was pretty lonely and extremely depressed, not to mention love lorne.

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I'm not saying it replaces it I'm saying that no one needs another person to complete themselves- and if/when clark loses lois (it must happen because he has a longer life span) he will grieve, be sad, and miss her terribly but eventually he will move on and probably love again. People can and are capable of having more than one love in their lives. And I don't think Clark needs anyone to complete him. Have you watched Jerry Maguire too many times?

I'm not trying to spark more debate, but there is a story line in the comics where Lois dies and Clark flys into the sun for a really long time out of depression.

[llk6165]

These are the facts: Clark gets his physical strength from the sun. He gets his spiritual strength from Lois.

[celita]

I'm not saying it replaces it I'm saying that no one needs another person to complete themselves- and if/when clark loses lois (it must happen because he has a longer life span) he will grieve, be sad, and miss her terribly but eventually he will move on and probably love again. People can and are capable of having more than one love in their lives. And I don't think Clark needs anyone to complete him. Have you watched Jerry Maguire too many times?
Not exactly truth Superman does clone Lois and he tires and fails in a relationship with Diana.

"Its Lois it will be always Lois"

And agree in disagree about the complet me, I am firmly believe, not only in the tv,movie, comic world, in soulmates and someone that fullfills your life and makes you better and of course happier.

That's Clois, Clark its not the same without Lois and Lois is not the same without him

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These are the facts: Clark gets his physical strength from the sun. He gets his spiritual strength from Lois.
that's a beautiful way to put it:D

Kill Lois, kill Superman, that's his weakness

[Becc]

Not exactly truth Superman does clone Lois and he tires and fails in a relationship with Diana.

"Its Lois it will be always Lois"

And agree in disagree about the complet me, I am firmly believe, not only in the tv,movie, comic world, in soulmates and someone that fullfills your life and makes you better and of course happier.

That's Clois, Clark its not the same without Lois and Lois is not the same without him

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that's a beautiful way to put it:D

See I personally don't believe in the soulmates theory. I think there are a number of people in the world who you can fit with.

[dru-zod2501]

I didn't say I was a comic fan I say that you don't need to be a comic fan t know that Lois is Clark's heart, yes he might become an hero before he meets her but he is not "Superman" without her. WIthout her Clark will be alone of his life his releationship with her its a big part of the hero he is.


Killing Lois changes the future changes Clark changes everything they wouldn't kill Lois even less a such cold blood when Lois is also a hero on her own she is also a legend she will be fomous she at leats would have earn some heisitation after KILLING HER
In most versions, Clark became Superman BEFORE he met Lois, and without Lois he would still be Superman. I guess fans and readers might find it jarring and unusal without her, but there's no in-story reason that Lois is so darned Crucial to Clark building up all that makes him Superman.

It took decades (and a full reboot of the universe) for Lois & Clark to get together proper. Most of the time before that Clark would never let himself take time to get that intimate with someone else, he thought it was a distraction from his real duties.

Clark is what makes Clark Superman. period.

[Krypto~Luan]

0_0<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<my reaction to those words

[Becc]

Very true.


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I'm not trying to spark more debate, but there is a story line in the comics where Lois dies and Clark flys into the sun for a really long time out of depression.

Which to me is his way of grieving.

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In most versions, Clark became Superman BEFORE he met Lois, and without Lois he would still be Superman. I guess fans and readers might find it jarring and unusal without her, but there's no in-story reason that Lois is so darned Crucial to Clark building up all that makes him Superman.

It took decades for Lois & Clark to get together proper, Most of the time Clark would never let himself get that close to someone else, he thought it was a distraction from his real duties.

Clark is what makes Clark Superman. period.

Thankyou I needed someones help to debate with all these romantics :)

[llk6165]

We seem to be off the Chloe thing and back into Clois and LnC. That works for me, so I'll remind you of an episode of LnC where they are stranded on a supposedly deserted island. Clark looks into Lois's eyes and says something like, "Us together is stronger than me alone"

We need an icon for "heavy sigh" and an icon for "sizzles"

[thehenry89]

Which to me is his way of grieving.

He pretty much gave up being superman. That's a big indication that Lois is an intragal part of his being superman, and his happiness.

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We seem to be off the Chloe thing and back into Clois and LnC. That works for me, so I'll remind you of an episode of LnC where they are stranded on a supposedly deserted island. Clark looks into Lois's eyes and says something like, "Us together is stronger than me alone"

We need an icon for "heavy sigh" and an icon for "sizzles"

:lol: yes we do

that was season three's "Ordinary People" it was one of the best lines in the series.

[Becc]

We seem ti be off the Chloe thing and back into Clois and LnC. That works for me so I'll remind you of an episode of LnC where they are stranded on a supposedly deserted island. Clark looks into Lois's eyes and says something like, "Us together is stronger than me alone"

We need an icon for "heavy sigh" and an icon for "sizzles"

I know but that was LnC which I loved as I've mentioned before they were my first ship ever. But LnC was all about the relationship between those 2 in many episodes Superman hardly makes an appearance- so that series to me is like an AU of Smallville cause I definitely don't see that chemistry between Smallville's Lois and Clark- and Smallville is an AU version of the comics.

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He pretty much gave up being superman. That's a big indication that Lois is an intragal part of his being superman, and his happiness.

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:lol: yes we do

that was season three's "Ordinary People" it was one of the best lines in the series.

Did he give up or just take a break for a while to grieve?

And yes that was one of the best lines in the series :)

[Alicia Chipy]

Chloe doesn't need to die to be forgotten.
Perhaps due to the numerous tamperings with her memory and IQ,she develops permanent amnesia or a severe personality disorder.This could lead to permanent hospitalization and an annulment of her marriage to Jimmy.
Thus she would become another forgoten statistic in a mental institution like her poor mother.
Harsh but possible scenario.

[celita]

In most versions, Clark became Superman BEFORE he met Lois, and without Lois he would still be Superman. I guess fans and readers might find it jarring and unusal without her, but there's no in-story reason that Lois is so darned Crucial to Clark building up all that makes him Superman.

It took decades (and a full reboot of the universe) for Lois & Clark to get together proper. Most of the time before that Clark would never let himself take time to get that intimate with someone else, he thought it was a distraction from his real duties.

Clark is what makes Clark Superman. period.

First without Lois there is no "Superman" the name wouldn't exist, second I don't doubt Clark would have still being an hero what I am saying is that his relationship with Lois has an impact of him she is not his LI she is part of his strength,. Clark would never be in his full potential without Lois.

And thanks btw for dissmiss us for being "romantic".

For me Clark its an Hero but Lois makes him a SuperHero. She is the one who holds him at night when he can't save someone, she is the one that is waiting for him at home, the one who listen him, the one he banters with. SHe makes Clark more human, its not only his parents its his wife also. She keeps his feet on the gorund

[Kal26]

I think by "take flight" they meant that Chloe dying may be what pushes Clark to go ahead and take on the role of the hero as Superman. So, they meant physically fly yes, but more as in taking off as a true hero. That's the way I understood it anyway.

[thehenry89]

Did he give up or just take a break for a while to grieve?



He was laying dormant in the sun for more then 100 years, I havent dusted off that comic in a while, but he was away from earth for a long time.

In another comic Lois dies in child birth and clark really does give up being superman. He flys into space somewhere and starts an esacpist realaitonship with maxima. Even then he's still deeply in love with Lois.

[Liquid-Prince]

That wasn't a plot hole. It was just a nod, because Chloe is a Smallville original character.

[Becc]

First without Lois there is no "Superman" the name wouldn't exist, second I don't doubt Clark would have still being an hero what I am saying is that his relationship with Lois has an impact of him she is not his LI she is part of his strength,. Clark would never be in his full potential without Lois.

And thanks btw for dissmiss us for being "romantic".

For me Clark its an Hero but Lois makes him a SuperHero. She is the one who holds him at night when he can't save someone, she is the one that is waiting for him at home, the one who listen him, the one he banters with. SHe makes Clark more human, its not only his parents its his wife also. She keeps his feet on the gorund

No the name Superman wouldn't exist it would be some other incarnation- but the premise of Superman would be the same.

I wasn't dismissing you as romantic, it's just that you have this very romantic outlook and the show isn't all about that. Besides being a romantic isn't necessarily a bad thing, I wasn't aware that being called a romantic was an insult- so I'm sorry if you felt slighted in any way.

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He was laying dormant in the sun for more then 100 years, I havent dusted off that comic in a while, but he was away from earth for a long time.

In another comic Lois dies in child birth and clark really does give up being superman. He flys into space somewhere and starts an esacpist realaitonship with maxima. Even then he's still deeply in love with Lois.

Interesting- but isn't a 100 years to him a relative time for us anyway. And Maxima all I can say to that is eew!

[SnowBird]

About Chloe...I think it was just a way of saying that Chloe isn't in the comic books and that was their way of letting the viewers know. Not everyone knows who is in the Superman comics. I don't believe they were trying to say Chloe was going to die in Smallville. I'm more interested in what they said about Chloe being the reason Clark flies. Is that telling us something that is going to happen? Or were the Legion just speculating...Interesting.

[thehenry89]

Interesting- but isn't a 100 years to him a relative time for us anyway. And Maxima all I can say to that is eew!

As I said I havent read that comic in a while, but it was a really long time. And even a hundred years, that's a long time for someone to just give up on life.

[AndiGirl]

I dont know if she dies...but whatever happens I dont think it will be good.

Why else would Clark/superman not takl about her? I think even if she died he would credit her for helping to make him into the man he is to day.....but if she just disappears and completely forgets Clark (another memory wipe) maybe thats why nobody has heard of her??

I kind of think the writers brought this up because it seems to be the typical concern for mytho fans. Chloe shouldnt be this involved....and Clark saying "Chloe Sullivan does not die" is kind of proving that just because she wasnt involved...or apart of the comics doesnt mean she wont serve a part. And the whole issue of people writing their own destinies....Clark seems more determined then ever to keep Chloe aorund.

[Black Panda]

I would like to point out in the season three episode "Tempus, anyone?" alt clark had not developed the identity of superman, and did not until Lois literally pushed him to do so.
And yet it's always been a counter argument to Chlois that Lois doesn't help inspire Clark to become Superman.


If so then you would know that Clark becomes Superman before meeting Lois.
I'm pretty sure that's the point of all the Superboy comics. There is more than one way to tell the story.


I would agree that Chloe may not die if not for her absence from the Superman mythos in other media..comics,movies,etc.
They made a pretty definate point in the episode that though "she must die" is the first conclusion people jump to, adopting a different name would explain it too.

I thought it was very interesting that they made a huge deal about Chloe's importance to Clark and how history wasn't quite what the Legion expected it to be. If that's not reminder enough about the message we got in Action about the writers telling their own story, they actually have Clark and Lana spell it out about talking about how they will choose to write their future.

Hmmm... I seem to be confused about what thread I'm in.

[TheAmazingApe]

It was obvious. PS3 was taking another blow at Chloe fans again. First they mention that she doesn't exist and then they mention the rename thing as a way of poking fun at the CHLOIS theorists. Rude, but funny.

Funny to you, possibly, but not to those of us that actually like Chloe. Whatever their intent was, I seriously doubt they intend to alienate a large part of the fanbase. And Chloe fans are a large part of the fanbase. Chloe has been on this show for eight seasons and is second in screentime only to Clark. It's not out there to think that, during that time, the character has gained a very large following. To say that Chloe fans are unimportant to the showrunners and deserve to be mocked is absolutely untrue. If anything, this episode (as well as Abyss) only solidified how important Chloe is to this version of the story.


I kind of think the writers brought this up because it seems to be the typical concern for mytho fans. Chloe shouldnt be this involved....and Clark saying "Chloe Sullivan does not die" is kind of proving that just because she wasnt involved...or apart of the comics doesnt mean she wont serve a part. And the whole issue of people writing their own destinies....Clark seems more determined then ever to keep Chloe aorund.

That line just gave me happy tingles.


I thought it was very interesting that they made a huge deal about Chloe's importance to Clark and how history wasn't quite what the Legion expected it to be. If that's not reminder enough about the message we got in Action about the writers telling their own story, they actually have Clark and Lana spell it out about talking about how they will choose to write their future.

Exactly! I think they pretty much hit us over the head with that line. Chloe still remains the only wild card in this entire story. She's the only one whose fate is up in the air. They could have killed Chloe off years ago, but they didn't. They could have fazed her out, but they've made her arguably the most integral person to Clark's journey on this show. This episode only hammered home that nothing is set in stone.

With all the people rejoicing and saying "Yay! Chloe's not important! Take that, Chloe fans," I wonder what show they've been watching.

[CK&CK]

Nah it's just them saying Chloe isn't important, and that they've heard of Lois, Lana & Jimmy as they should ;)

You can't say that as an absolute.......it would be like me saying history never showed Bruce Wayne to be anything other than a spoiled, playboy of a rich kid.........where as History shows his alter ego to be everything he's not........and oh yeah, please explain to me the earth shattering contribution that Jimmy Olsen makes to the world that makes him a significant piece of the Superman lore.....other than simply being Supes' Pal. Cuz Lois and Lana I can see......but Jimmy?

But maybe you're right.....any wife of Jimmy Olsen's deserves to be forgotten.......it was this way in the comics....wasn't it?

[davidbrenton]

It makes me want to see Lois and Clark's relationship as she turns into an old woman and he watches her die.

Everyone's always telling us about the beginning but nobody wants to tell us how it ends.

[ginnyfan]

Thanks for the infos.

That's very touching.

I don't want to romanticized Chlark but that quote above reminds me of the movie Titanic. The main character Rose DeWitt now 80 years-old tells the story of how a certain Jack Dawson had a huge impact in her life when she was 17 years-old. Others never heard of him and said he wasn't listed on the passenger's list. She never talked about him to anyone. She never had a single pciture of him. All the memories she had of him she kept him in her heart.
Still he was an important person in Rose's life. One of the persons she cherished the most.

So in answer to the OP, yes Chloe is already important in Sueprman's life. No matter if other people from another century will never hear about her.

Great post. I agree. Chloe is important to THIS Superman's life whether her name is in a museum or not. I'm sure there are many people who lived 1000 years ago who's names have faded who did great things. I'll bet there are people we remember who in reality probably weren't that great. LOL! She's also important to Lois and Jimmy... whether the Legion knows of her or not.

I like the idea that Clark changed that future though.

[Becc]

It makes me want to see Lois and Clark's relationship as she turns into an old woman and he watches her die.

Everyone's always telling us about the beginning but nobody wants to tell us how it ends.

I know because when you think about it isn't really a very happy story at all is it. Personally I would much rather grow old with someone then to grow old by myself while watching them stay the same. Maybe Lana is better off ;)

[LightSeeker]

Everyones posts have given me a headache:\


It's kind of like Back to the Future, when Marty goes back in time and gets involved with the first meeting of his parents. When that was messed up, he begins to be erased from history. This is sort of the same thing.

In the original timeline, Brainiac took over the host (Chloe) and was defeated by Clark using the crystal

Persuader shows up and destroys the crystal. The timeline is changed where the host (Chloe) was killed to defeat Brainiac which effectively erased her from history and therefore from the memories of the Legion.

Clark figures out a way to defeat Brainiac and still save Chloe, which restores her place in the timeline and allows her to take her place in history and therefore into the memories of the Legion.

This is the way I'm choosing to look at it anyways.

I may be thinking about this way too much, but I have to ask. So originally if Clark defeated Brainiac by using the crystal, Chloe should be known cause she was the one infected by Brainiac. So it's like they never put in the history books who Brainiac infected. And didn't Garth say something along the lines of "I may have failed history, but even I know today is the day you destroy Brainiac." If that day is so well known shouldn't they know a little detail about oh, I don't know Chloe's existence!

I think I just gave myself a bigger headache:\:confused:

[vikingjedi]

see, Clark put glasses and people do not recognize him as a superman. is ridiculous, but that happens, that glasses would throw people off, then Chloe hair color change and name change, so they do not recognize, this is the premise.

for exemple :http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3982176&postcount=491
it could have been easily resolved if Edlois was in the episode, because they could see her and to say: legendary Lois Lane, but she convenient wasn't around


They spoke about Lex? I did not see the ep

Yeah maybe thats why Lois was no where to be found when they were there. They would have said "this isn't Lois Lane". Interesting thought.

[imaginaryhero]

I took it as either Chloe dies somehow OR she just goes her own way, eventually.

[Wicked Lois]

PS3 are funny sometimes... GJ is funny sometimes.

[Timester]

Yeah maybe thats why Lois was no where to be found when they were there. They would have said "this isn't Lois Lane". Interesting thought.

So, they have a fricking huge museum (The Levitz Museum), not even counting about the history books, in Smallville with every single bit about Superman and they wouldn't recognize Chloe as Lois?

This was OBVIOUSLY to shot down the Chlois theory. But the answer is pretty simple for them not knowing Chloe. Legion of 3 Worlds. There are 3 LOSH in the comics right now, all from different timelines.

[Clark/Lois-fan]

I can't believe that people STILL think that Chloe will change her name to Lois Lane, when we already have Lois Lane on the show....:lol:

Honestly- I hope that Chloe just leaves. It will be awful is she died

[herolee10]

seeing as how in the original timeline, Clark was supposedly able to save Chloe without killing her by having used the device that MM gave him, it's not like the LOS changed the timeline drastically by saving Chloe's life. If anything they helped keep it in check as much as they could since Chloe had come out of the ordeal alive in the original timeline.


However, even if Chloe came out of alive from this ordeal, but she was never heard of from LOS, then something must have happened to her. I mean they even knew about Jimmy Olsen, and it's safe to say that Chloe is more important to Clark than Jimmy is.

I doubt that Clark would have hided Chloe and possibly change her name to protect her once he became superman, otherwise he would have to do the same thing with Lois, who is his wife in the future, and known for taking interviews with Superman in the public.

And even if Chloe were renamed and relocated, I doubt that it would have stopped her from helping Clark and still making a impact, and the LOS would still have some information on her even if she was going through a different Alias, which just proves that unless the PS3 feels otherwise that Chloe's days are numbered.

[vyperman7]

do not forget CHLOIS

Chloe will be as iconic Lois Lane, then to the world there isnt Chloe, only Lois (pen name?)

I used to subscribe to the Chlois theory for years. But I had enough sense to stop believing in it, once Lois started to gain noteriety at the DP, Chloe moved out of journalism, and married Jimmy Olsen. There is just no way in hell that Lois Lane would ever turn out to be the ex-wife of Jimmy Olsen. It just wouldn't happen.

[kiariclois]

do not forget CHLOIS

Chloe will be as iconic Lois Lane, then to the world there isnt Chloe, only Lois (pen name?)

This CH bulls*** isn't gonna happen.

Obviously, they know Lois Lane. and when they saw Chloe, they didn't say stuff like "hey, you look like Lois." or even calling her Lois when they saw her.

So it's either Chloe's gonna die, or she got sick of the whole thing and leave SV :p

[La Donna]

I think it was just a Chloe explanation that was meant for the fans. She wasn't in the mythos, and it's a question of whether or not she's in Superman's future. I don't think it meant that Chloe was not important. And I loved it when Clark said that they must not know him as well as they thought they did. They gave the two possible scenario's for Chloe not being known in the future, her dying or her identity changed. I think she'll either join the JL and thus be known by a different name, nickname, or hero name, or she may go into a witness protection type of situation, where Clark does it to keep her safe. Or of course, she could die. But, by them saying that if she died it's possible that her death was what lead to Clark's flying and Superman life, I think that points to the fact that she will remain important, whether or not the 31st century has heard of her.

As for why she wouldn't be known as Jimmy's wife, it sounded like they heard of Jimmy, but didn't know that much. They said something like "We've heard of Lois Lane, Lana Lang, and even Jimmy Olson". To me that suggests that they don't know too much about Jimmy, just the basics as to his photography career as a DP guy with Clark. I don't think they would know everything about his personal life.

It's not an AU, in my opinion. And I don't think the Legion changed the future in any way. Clark's feelings and conclusion that he would take his future in his own way didn't mean that he will do things differently from what the Legion knew. It just meant that he's not going to approach his future as living the life and experiencing the events just because the Legion said it was going to happen. He's just going to keep making judgement calls and choosing his actions, without a heavy importance on what the Legion said. I still think nothing changed the future, and it definitely wasn't meant to be an AU as to Smallville Clark's future.

[MeKa]

Don't the Legion change the time line by helping Clark now? Maybe in the new future, Chloe is alive and well.

[herolee10]

Don't the Legion change the time line by helping Clark now? Maybe in the new future, Chloe is alive and well.

not really. The LOS told Clark that in the original timeline (the timeline in which either the Persuader or them didn't arrive in), Clark defeated Brainiac by using MM crystal which also ended up saving Chloe as well and thus not having been force to think about killing Chloe. What happens onwards from this event with Brainiac is anyone's guess and in the LOS knowledge I guess.

In truth though, if the LOS did kill Chloe then they'd be changing history right there.

[Timester]

Don't the Legion change the time line by helping Clark now? Maybe in the new future, Chloe is alive and well.

The Persuader attack changed the timeline, since Clark was supposed to go to John Jones and ask for the crystal. Instead, he was attacked and hurt by the Persuader. LOSH fixed that part.

[Mr.Magic]

do not forget CHLOIS

Chloe will be as iconic Lois Lane, then to the world there isnt Chloe, only Lois (pen name?)

You can forget about Chlois. They (usually) have Lois Lane statues right at the side of the Superman statues.

[Alania]

You can forget about Chlois. They (usually) have Lois Lane statues right at the side of the Superman statues.


That was nice, mr. Magic! :) I know Chloe is not part of the mythos, but, imo, Chloe means a lot more to Clark than Lana. She is a Lois Lane in his life, without the man-woman love part with the plus that she knows Clark's secret.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Just when I thought Chlois was dead and buried. Wooohooo Im now reshipping Chlois. This could be the saviour of the season fro me:lol::lol::lol:

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I don't want to romanticized Chlark but that quote above reminds me of the movie Titanic. The main character Rose DeWitt now 80 years-old tells the story of how a certain Jack Dawson had a huge impact in her life when she was 17 years-old. Others never heard of him and said he wasn't listed on the passenger's list. She never talked about him to anyone. She never had a single pciture of him. All the memories she had of him she kept him in her heart.
Still he was an important person in Rose's life. One of the persons she cherished the most.

So in answer to the OP, yes Chloe is already important in Superman's life. No matter if other people from another century will never hear about her.


That nearly brought me to tears. There is a similarity there. Thank you:)

[vyperman7]

Just when I thought Chlois was dead and buried. Wooohooo Im now reshipping Chlois. This could be the saviour of the season fro me:lol::lol::lol:

Do you really think they would have Lois Lane be the ex-wife of Jimmy Olsen? There is no possible way that would ever happen. When Chloe was working at the DP, and Lois had no interest in being a reporter, I would say anything is possible. However, as soon as Lois Lane gained noteriety at the DP, and Chloe backed out of journalism and into a marriage with Jimmy Olsen, there is no way that she would turn out to be Lois.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Don't the Legion change the time line by helping Clark now? Maybe in the new future, Chloe is alive and well.

Yes, Chloe was not known, because Clark had to kill her that day. Now that the Legion helped to save Chloe what now?:lol:

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Oh, how to explain the paradox's, fix and flux of Time Travel, in an easy and non confusing way.....?

Here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY_Ry8J_jdw

[Fallen One]

Yes, Chloe was not known, because Clark had to kill her that day. Now that the Legion helped to save Chloe what now?:lol:
Wrong.

The Legion clearly stated that according to history Brainiac was going to be sucked into the crystal and into the PZ if the Persuader had not interrupted the timeline and destroyed the crystal. Chloe was not going to die that day regardless. And Clark saw to it that it stayed that way, even if the crystal was destroyed. History was perserved and the timeline was set right again.

Before the Persuader interrupted the timeline and after he interrupted the timeline.. it ends the same way. Chloe was still going to be alive and.. still be unknown throughout history.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Wrong.

The Legion clearly stated that according to history Brainiac was going to be sucked into the crystal and into the PZ if the Persuader had not interrupted the timeline and destroyed the crystal. Chloe was not going to die that day regardless. And Clark saw to it that it stayed that way, even if the crystal was destroyed. History was perserved and the timeline was set right again.

Before the Persuader interrupted the timeline and after he interrupted the timeline.. it ends the same way. Chloe was still going to be alive and.. still be unknown throughout history.

No you're wrong!

You're history is all wrong, because you say that Brainiac would be sucked into the crystal.

Well that obviously didn't happen, did it?

As soon as Persuader shows up and breaks the shield that 'future' history has been modified to Chloe dying, because thats the only way to kill Brainiac.

This was later changed by the Legion doing their wee trick and saving Chloe while still extracting Brainiac.

So the Legion directly took part in saving Chloes life.


You cant just ignore Persuader to suit want you want to believe. You have to count him because he changed history.

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Oh, how to explain the paradox's, fix and flux of Time Travel, in an easy and non confusing way.....?

Here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY_Ry8J_jdw


Thanks, that was a great help!:D

[llk6165]

You don't know that you don't know if Clark become Superman (wait Superman the name won't exists. no Lois no name) Clark could just be a tyran.

Lois is his soulmate the one that keeps him on his feet. You can kill Lois that's killing Superman


You tell 'em Celita. -
Besides if Chloe assumed Lois's name it would have been revealed by the 31st century. Maybe Legion didn't recognize "Chloe Sullivan" because she is now "Chloe Olsen" That is way more believeable that having Chloe assumne Lois's name. Besides in spoilers show Clark falling for our Lois. Chloe can change her name, maybe dye her her, but she can't grow three inches and turn into Lois forever (just for the Hex episode). So no way Lois is going anywhere except straight into Clark's arms.
So to all those who want to kill Lois...:p

[DontCha]

sorry but LOL

I haven't seen the entire eppy yet but I just love that line..Bit of a hint to where Chloe actually stands in the grand scheme of things.

she does not exist in his future.

[DontCha]

LOL these lines were FANTASTIC

Chloe Sullivan is NOT in clark's future

I dont think she will die but it was a strong enough indication that she and clark will never be an item and will go their seperate ways, never to speak to one another ever again muhahahaha BWAHAHAHAHAHA

It will probably be to protect her, i think Abyss was a hint of what will come later buit on a larger scale

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Just when I thought Chlois was dead and buried. Wooohooo Im now reshipping Chlois. This could be the saviour of the season fro me:lol::lol::lol:

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That nearly brought me to tears. There is a similarity there. Thank you:)

wow really you think this is pro-chlois?

It destroys the theory, because if she was Lois Lane,

1. The legion would know that she was once Chloe Sullivan

2. The Legion would have recognized her as The "real" Lois lane when they saw her.

[Dustmite]

As Lana clarified at the end, they write their own history. Chloe Sullivan is writing hers and it will be pretty and glory filled and rather lovely. Bring it baby!!

[Super Maverick]

insect queen is earth-2 lana lang

[Firebunny]

I was thinking about this last night as I was falling asleep.

The LoSh know so much about Clark's history (the jacket he wore, the first baseball he ever hit, etc.) They even know that Brainiac possessed someone and Clark was able to defeat Brainiac without killing that person. BUT they don't know the name of the person who Brainiac possessed.

Only three people in the Smallville timeline know Brainiac possessed someone, Clark, Lana and Chloe. So, for it to be known about in the future one of them has to spill. It seems pretty obvious that whoever tells about this in the future kept Chloe's name out of it on purpose. Which would suggest that Chloe's identity is being protected for some reason. (It might even be Chloe protecting herself.)

Of course that's applying logic to Smallville, which is a frustrating thing to do.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

It destroys the theory, because if she was Lois Lane,

1. The legion would know that she was once Chloe Sullivan

2. The Legion would have recognized her as The "real" Lois lane when they saw her.

1. Hows that, its not as if they would have her birth certificate.

2. Not necessarily.

[Dustmite]

I was thinking about this last night as I was falling asleep.

The LoSh know so much about Clark's history (the jacket he wore, the first baseball he ever hit, etc.) They even know that Brainiac possessed someone and Clark was able to defeat Brainiac without killing that person. BUT they don't know the name of the person who Brainiac possessed.

Only three people in the Smallville timeline know Brainiac possessed someone, Clark, Lana and Chloe. So, for it to be known about in the future one of them has to spill. It seems pretty obvious that whoever tells about this in the future kept Chloe's name out of it on purpose. Which would suggest that Chloe's identity is being protected for some reason. (It might even be Chloe protecting herself.)

Of course that's applying logic to Smallville, which is a frustrating thing to do.

It makes sense because let's think about it seriously for a moment.

Clark's best friend.
Lana's best friend.
Lois Lane's cousin.
Pete Ross' friend.
Jimmy Olsen's wife (felt kinda sick writing that)
Known to and has worked with most of the JL.
Grew up in the same town, worked together, worked against, hated Lex Luthor.
Testified against Lionel Luthor.

No one had heard of her. Nothing. Bullcrap!

[DontCha]

of course its necessary for her to look like Lois lane that i'm sure they have millions of pohotographs, paintings and statues and all sorts dedicated to her so the fact they DONt recognize her face at all indicates that she is NOT Lois lane of the future.


Or If whatever they did changed the course of future and she "is Lois lane", then they (legion) would, by the end of it, know she was Lois lane because the course of history would be changed and so would the future they came from but they dont recognize her.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I thought Lois Lane worked at the Daily Planet as a reporter? ;)

I really need to dust off my comics. :lol:

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Or If whatever they did changed the course of future and she "is Lois lane", then they (legion) would, by the end of it, know she was Lois lane because the course of history would be changed and so would the future they came from but they dont recognize her.

What if the Legion went back to the 31st Century and all the statues had changed to statues that looked like Chloe Sullivan!:lol::lol:

Now that would be funny:lol:

[DontCha]

Also, its rather obvious that they have no recollection of her because as so many have said for about 8 years. Chloe Sullivan is not a mythos character and was made up for Smallville and Smallville alone. NOT Superman. She was a creation for Smallville. Not Superman.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

It makes sense because let's think about it seriously for a moment.

Clark's best friend.
Lana's best friend.
Lois Lane's cousin.
Pete Ross' friend.
Jimmy Olsen's wife (felt kinda sick writing that)
Known to and has worked with most of the JL.
Grew up in the same town, worked together, worked against, hated Lex Luthor.
Testified against Lionel Luthor.

No one had heard of her. Nothing. Bullcrap!

The only way to explain that would be with Chlois:lol:

[DontCha]

What if the Legion went back to the 31st Century and all the statues had changed to statues that looked like Chloe Sullivan!:lol::lol:

Now that would be funny:lol:


No, thats not how it works. They would know because the future they come from doesnt change. So if she was Lois It would be in their knowledge. BTW never undertood the chlois theory. Does chloe Sullivan as her own character suck so damn much that you want her to be someone else?

lmfao

[Dor el]

If Chloe Sullivan isn't in the future, then Clark/Kal-El never told them about her. Sometime in the near future, Chloe probably gets an identity change to protect her. So, in the future Clark/Kal-El is protecting her secret.

May be the only way she can get away from Jimmy. :\ I so do not like that pairing.

[Dustmite]

Also, its rather obvious that they have no recollection of her because as so many have said for about 8 years. Chloe Sullivan is not a mythos character and was made up for Smallville and Smallville alone. NOT Superman. She was a creation for Smallville. Not Superman.

And Smallville has nothing at all to do with Superman. Right! Gotcha! Thanks for clearing that up.

[miks]

I think someone has mentioned it before; but clearly it's not hard to fool these idiots in the comics i.e. Clark with glasses can't be Superman! A change of hair color is like the new technology to these guys! I think it's funny how soo many people don't believe in the theory, yet come in her to beat it down continually! :lol: I don't believe in Clois and I'm not in the Clois thread complaining about the so many things wrong with Clois or how "stupid" it is.:rolleyes:

[harryandginnyfanatic]

At the moment Chloe has written herself to go to Star City and see her "husband". And with her memory of Clark's secret back she won't be able to make time for any kind of career, because she'll be too busy sidekicking for him.

Oddly enough, this loyalty does not prompt Clark in anyway to offer his exclusive interview to Chloe, but to her cousin Lois Lane.

Yeah, you bring it baby! ;)

[DontCha]

Smallville does, but Smallville is the present, I'm talking about the future here and everyone knows there is NO CHLOE SULLIVAN in Clark AKA Superman's future. That is why they have NEVER heard of her.

[Timester]

No you're wrong!

You're history is all wrong, because you say that Brainiac would be sucked into the crystal.

Well that obviously didn't happen, did it?

As soon as Persuader shows up and breaks the shield that 'future' history has been modified to Chloe dying, because thats the only way to kill Brainiac.

This was later changed by the Legion doing their wee trick and saving Chloe while still extracting Brainiac.

So the Legion directly took part in saving Chloes life.


You cant just ignore Persuader to suit want you want to believe. You have to count him because he changed history.

LOSH fixed the story, didn't changed it. The Persuader attack is what changed the events of that day, that Clark would go to J'onz, ask for the crystal and defeat Brainiac. Doesn't matter how Brainiac is defeated, it matters that he IS defeated.

[DontCha]

I think someone has mentioned it before; but clearly it's not hard to fool these idiots in the comics i.e. Clark with glasses can't be Superman! A change of hair color is like the new technology to these guys! I think it's funny how soo many people don't believe in the theory, yet come in her to beat it down continually! :lol: I don't believe in Clois and I'm not in the Clois thread complaining about the so many things wrong with Clois or how "stupid" it is.:rolleyes:

Yes but dark hair or nay. Her face obviously does not look like Lois Lane because they do not recognize her

[Dustmite]

Smallville does, but Smallville is the present, I'm talking about the future here and everyone knows there is NO CHLOE SULLIVAN in Clark AKA Superman's future. That is why they have NEVER heard of her.

I've heard of people from the past. People that aren't in my future. Hhmm!!

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

No, thats not how it works. They would know because the future they come from doesnt change. So if she was Lois It would be in their knowledge.

Yeah, just like they said the shield was used to extract Brainiac from Chloe? You can change the fututr by altering the past.


Does chloe Sullivan as her own character suck so damn much that you want her to be someone else?

lmfao

I shouldn't really comment on that, but its the actually the other way round. Chlois is when Chloe takes on Lois' name not her character or personality. Heaven forbid.:)

I understand why you say you never really understood Chlois.:)

[Timester]

Just when I thought Chlois was dead and buried. Wooohooo Im now reshipping Chlois. This could be the saviour of the season fro me:lol::lol::lol:

So extreme plastic surgery is now part of the Chlois theory? It's no longer a hair question, it's the fact that THERE IS a Lois Lane working on the DP and that is part of the museum story.

[DontCha]

Its so damn obvious to me that they are implying That Chloe does have some importance to him becoming Superman but that very act is also the point where she dissapears from his life.

Its so clear what they are doing. They are writing her out of it, thats why they have her right in the centre of the new promo pics, she stands out among everyone with her bright clothes whilst they are all in very dark clothes as if it is a funeral/mourning her passing because its paying tribute to her on her last year of the show.

bye bye chloe

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I don't believe in Clois

Doesn't matter if you do or don't. It's canon.

Whereas the MTM Theory is complete fanon.

[Timester]

Yes but dark hair or nay. Her face obviously does not look like Lois Lane because they do not recognize her

Face and build. The LOSH had to be completely dumb to not see the future's icon that is Lois Lane on Chloe.

So, again, the simplest answer is the correct one, Chloe is not Lois. Period.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

LOSH fixed the story, didn't changed it. The Persuader attack is what changed the events of that day, that Clark would go to J'onz, ask for the crystal and defeat Brainiac. Doesn't matter how Brainiac is defeated, it matters that he IS defeated.

They did change it beceause LOSH said that in their history the shield was supposed to be used against Brainiac. But it wasn't.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

So, again, the simplest answer is the correct one, Chloe is not Lois. Period.

You would think Chloe getting fired from the DP and marrying Jimmy would've made that clear by now.

[DontCha]

Also, no one else is smiling

Only she is

[Timester]

They did change it beceause LOSH said that in their history the shield was supposed to be used against Brainiac. But it wasn't.

It doesn't matter. The events are still the same. They fixed the events, not changed.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Face and build. The LOSH had to be completely dumb to not see the future's icon that is Lois Lane on Chloe.

So, again, the simplest answer is the correct one, Chloe is not Lois. Period.


Back to my original theory. LOSH will go back to the future and the history of the present events will have changed. History will change to 'Superman and LOSH extracted Brainiac' It will not mention the shield.

So whats stopping the future image of the Lois Lane statues changing to the image of Chloe Sullivan as long as you believe in Chlois.

[Timester]

You would think Chloe getting fired from the DP and marrying Jimmy would've made that clear by now.

Seeing that the LOSH doesn't know her and people still believe on Chlois, makes me wonder if ever it will be clear... :\

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

It doesn't matter. The events are still the same. They fixed the events, not changed.

I still don't understand how they are the same. They defeated Brainiac by two completely different methods.

[Timester]

Back to my original theory. LOSH will go back to the future and the history of the present events will have changed. History will change to 'Superman and LOSH extracted Brainiac' It will not mention the shield.

...

Time... Didn't... Changed... We are talking about an event that ONLY Clark knows about. That doesn't transform Chloe into Lois. Heck, even what you just goes against the Chlois theory, because it assumes that THERE is a Lois Lane that is not Chloe Sullivan.

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I still don't understand how they are the same. They defeated Brainiac by two completely different methods.

There are no butterflies changing the rest of the history. Only Clark knows about it.

Time Travel 101.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

How does being alive after Legion result Jimmy's wife stealing Lois's identity?

[Timester]

How does being alive after Legion result Jimmy's wife stealing Lois's identity?

No idea.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

...

Time... Didn't... Changed... We are talking about an event that ONLY Clark knows about. That doesn't transform Chloe into Lois. Heck, even what you just goes against the Chlois theory, because it assumes that THERE is a Lois Lane that is not Chloe Sullivan.

I cant make sense of any of that.

Its obvious they changed history. I'll explain again.

1. Before LOSH came to 2009 they said Brainiac was defeated with the shield.

2. They went on to extract Brainiac a completely different way.

So when they go back to 3009 history will have changed and say 'LOSH and Supes defeated Brainiac'

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How does being alive after Legion result Jimmy's wife stealing Lois's identity?


Its all about the line from Lightning Lad saying she could take on another identity.

[Dobson]

So to protect Chloe, as in keep her away from danger, there will be a name change for her. Clark is going to let Cloe become a famous person, Lois Lane, who is constantly getting into danger.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

So to protect Chloe, as in keep her away from danger, there will be a name change for her. Clark is going to let Cloe become a famous person, Lois Lane, who is constantly getting into danger.

Well not as much as Chloe anyway.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

It's all about the line from Lightning Lad saying she could take on another identity.

But unless I'm very much mistaken, Lois Lane is a reporter in Superman's future.

Not to mention the fact that DC go through every script of the show and have to approve everything first.

[WildGoatTamer]

I really hope they clear this problem on Smallville and make it part of the storyline.

If Chloe died for Clark or her death propelled him to become Superman you'd think people would know more about her then the first baseball Clark hit.

If Chloe doesn't die and fades into the background, well she still did help found the Justice League, sidekicked for Clark and had a plot with pretty much every important character e.g Lois, Lana, CLARK, Jimmy, Lionel, Doomsday and Lex.

I'm rooting for the fact someone is protecting her identity.

[SupermanRox]

Lois Lane is in Superman's future. Always has been and always will be.

[Timester]

I cant make sense of any of that.

Its obvious they changed history. I'll explain again.

1. Before LOSH came to 2009 they said Brainiac was defeated with the shield.

2. They went on to extract Brainiac a completely different way.

So when they go back to 3009 history will have changed and say 'LOSH and Supes defeated Brainiac'

Because you are seeing the 31st Century of an event that only Clark knows on the 21st Century. An event that affects the 21st Century in absolutely nothing.


Its all about the line from Lightning Lad saying she could take on another identity.

Yet, there is a Lois Lane that looks nothing like Chloe in the 31st Century. Explain that.

[Dustmite]

Oddly enough, this loyalty does not prompt Clark in anyway to offer his exclusive interview to Chloe, but to her cousin Lois Lane.

Yeah, you bring it baby! ;)

Yeah because if there's one thing that this episode proved is that Clark doesn't give a damn about Chloe. Not at all.

Chloe is connected to almost everyone in Clark's future and yet the Legion haven't heard of her. But of course everone keeps ignoring the point I'm making because debating Chlois in so much more fun :rolleyes:

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

But unless I'm very much mistaken, Lois Lane is a reporter in Superman's future.

I don't want to be arguing the basics of Chlois with you. I just believe that Lightning Lads line reignited Chlois and there is stil no 100% (which I stress) way to completely disregard it.

Why would the writers have put that line in? Eh. I don't believe they will take on Chlois but why bother writing that?

[Timester]

Chloe is connected to almost everyone in Clark's future and yet the Legion haven't heard of her. But of course everone keeps ignoring the point I'm making because debating Chlois in so much more fun :rolleyes:

The Great Crisis, aka Final Crisis.

The answers for this episode are all in the comics.

[Dustmite]

The Great Crisis, aka Final Crisis.

I'm sorry but that means nothing to me. Care to explain :)

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Because you are seeing the 31st Century of an event that only Clark knows on the 21st Century. An event that affects the 21st Century in absolutely nothing..

What!!! How does the events of the 21st Century has no affect on the 31st Century? It comes before it:lol: so it obviously has an affect.




Yet, there is a Lois Lane that looks nothing like Chloe in the 31st Century. Explain that.

And how do you know what Lois Lane looks like in the 31st Century. Especially know you have changed the past and not revisited the future yet.

Ever heard of the butterfly affect as well?? Anythings possible even Chlois!!:lol:

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Chloe is connected to almost everyone in Clark's future

She's actually more responsible for connecting Clark with the people in his future.

So she does play her part.

[LoveHurts38]

The mentioned Lois, Jimmy, and Lana. Satun girl recognized lana so I'm assuming that they have a pictures or holographs in the future. None of them had heard of or even knew what chloe looked like.


I loved that scene of the iconic characters being known in the future.

[smallvillefreak24]

ok there is no way chloe is lois because we have the real lois the show never would have brought lois in if they were not going to use her as lois

[Timester]

I'm sorry but that means nothing to me. Care to explain :)

Basically, the Legion always knew about three crisis that happened in the past, that lead to the destruction of universe and the lost of many information. The first crisis was the Crisis on the Infinite Earths. Before the second crisis started, the LOSH did appeared and talked about a "middle crisis" (this was written by Geoff), that crisis was the Infinite Crisis (also written by Geoff). Now, the Final Crisis, also warned by the LOSH to Superman, to the point of Brainiac-5 helping him, is just happening.

We still don't know the end of it though (Darkseid and Batman just killed each other and the Evil Monitor is about to appear).

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What!!! How does the events of the 21st Century has no affect on the 31st Century? It comes before it:lol: so it obviously has an affect.

Who said doesn't affect the 31st Century? I said it doesn't affect the 21st Century, which it doesn't.


And how do you know what Lois Lane looks like in the 31st Century. Especially know you have changed the past and not revisited the future yet.

Uh, we do? It doesn't look like Chloe Sullivan. So, again, explain how there is a Lois Lane in the future that is not Chloe if the Chlois theory is true? The Chlois theory is that Chloe was ALWAYS Lois Lane, yet she is not the future per canon.

[myankskent]

Uh, we do? It doesn't look like Chloe Sullivan. So, again, explain how there is a Lois Lane in the future that is not Chloe if the Chlois theory is true? The Chlois theory is that Chloe was ALWAYS Lois Lane, yet she is not the future per canon.

Exactly, and now this theory has become a scenario where plastic surgery is needed in order for Chloe to become Lois. It just gets worse and worse as canon continues to refute it.

[Becc]

its so damn obvious to me that they are implying that chloe does have some importance to him becoming superman but that very act is also the point where she dissapears from his life.

Its so clear what they are doing. They are writing her out of it, thats why they have her right in the centre of the new promo pics, she stands out among everyone with her bright clothes whilst they are all in very dark clothes as if it is a funeral/mourning her passing because its paying tribute to her on her last year of the show.

Bye bye chloe

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[Firebunny]

Why would the writers have put that line in? Eh. I don't believe they will take on Chlois but why bother writing that? The writers love the Chlois theory. It gets people talking/dabating on the boards. It makes Lois Lanes' future questionable. That's why they keep putting stuff in to hint at it. Whether or not they're going that route, they are purposefully perpetuating it.

[wb-superman]

I think it better for the history to be reinvent which they didn't know about Chloe. But "The Legion" will add more information about Chloe in their century. I hope, since they watch Clark feel so glad when Chloe woke up. They have a strong bond.

[MeKa]

According to the Legion, Chloe is not in their future. But now at least they know that Clark was not ready to sacrifice her even with billions of lives on the line.

Firebunny, you're right about why the writers enjoy Chlois. It's the same reason this thread's received so many hits.

[Timester]

The writers love the Chlois theory. It gets people talking/dabating on the boards. It makes Lois Lanes' future questionable. That's why they keep putting stuff in to hint at it. Whether or not they're going that route, they are purposefully perpetuating it.

It's not the writers that love the Chlois theory, it's the Chlois theorists that see Chlois on EVERY SINGLE THING.

What Geoff wrote is that Chloe is not known in the future, that's it. A hint to the comics.

[woolanayu]

This Chlois theory arises because many of her fans wants to know the future of their beloved character since according to DC comic and LOSH's Smallville history there's no chloe sullivan. IMO why keep on arguing who she is and what will she be, she will have her own destiny, and please lets just start enjoy her performance coz this might be the last season of SV. ENJOY while u can guys...then we all can get on with our lives

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It's not the writers that love the Chlois theory, it's the Chlois theorists that see Chlois on EVERY SINGLE THING.

What Geoff wrote is that Chloe is not known in the future, that's it. A hint to the comics.


I agree!

[Radioflyer]

Thanks for the infos.




That's very touching.

I don't want to romanticized Chlark but that quote above reminds me of the movie Titanic. The main character Rose DeWitt now 80 years-old tells the story of how a certain Jack Dawson had a huge impact in her life when she was 17 years-old. Others never heard of him and said he wasn't listed on the passenger's list. She never talked about him to anyone. She never had a single pciture of him. All the memories she had of him she kept him in her heart.
Still he was an important person in Rose's life. One of the persons she cherished the most.

So in answer to the OP, yes Chloe is already important in Superman's life. No matter if other people from another century will never hear about her.Excellentpoint. But another possibility is that these Legionnaires are from a parallel earth and just took a wrong turn somewhere in their time travel. They just may have corrected the wrong timeline and when they get back to where they came from they might find that nothing in their time is fixed.

[SandyV]

I would like if Chloe could become Lois Lane, but I think that ship has already sailed. EDLois seems to be thier choice. I took the quote of Chloe going by another name differently. Maybe she is part of the Justice League as Watchtower and they do not know her alter-ego since she is not the focus of the JL but still helps.

[Minamostaza]

Maybe DC had to do anything with this, they couldn't mention Chloe because she's not part of the comics so why name her? Besides is this topic about laughing about Chloe's future isn't important???? Oh come one! This is Smallville, no comic books or superman movies, ANYTHING can happen, and since Clark and the LOSH saved Chloe from Brainiac then it means that somehow they changed the future by doing that.......

[Radioflyer]

Ok Clark now has a Legion ring to allow him to transport to the future. We know that isn't going to happen on the show.
How do we know that? I think there's a possibility and an even better one if there's another season.

[Crouching Lurker]

I posted this on another thread, but I think it goes along with the topic here.

Last night the purging of Brainiac seemed to restore her memory. I hoping that her ability to heal has been restored, as well.

I think she will at some point decide that she wants to join the JLA and use her abilities to fight crime. She's also still a really good sidekick even though she won't have her Brainiac abilities anymore. She will get her code name. It will be a new super hero name we haven't heard of yet. The Legion are unfamiliar with the name Chloe Sullivan; because unbeknownst to them they already know her from history by her super hero name.

I like this speculation better than all others, because there's already a Lois and a Lana, and to add her to comic books as similar to them wouldn't cut it. They already fill those roles. I think turning her into a super hero creates a unique niche all her own and really honors the hard work AM has done.

I think this is the revelation she has in Hex. She thinks about the direction she wants her life to go and decides to join the JLA. This will also put a tremendous strain on her marriage to Jimmy because she'll be back to keeping Clark's secret again after last night.