"We have never heard a thing about Chloe Sullivan"

[Tompouce]

To me the worrying thing is Chloe herself. She seems to feel something wrong will happen. She asked Clark to make the right decision if he will have to make this choice once again...
I don't know what the writers want to do with Chloe's character but if it is the end for her, it sucks...

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

I said it doesn't affect the 21st Century, which it doesn't.

It doesn't? Thats funny. What about LOSH saving Chloe, because Persuaders consequences of coming to the 21st Century was that Chloe couldn't be saved from Brainiac?

What about the things they tell Lana and Clark? They didn't mind wipe them afterwards you know.

What about the ring? He certainly didn't have that before they came did he?

And what about the removal of Brainiac back to the 31st. Im sure if he had of stayed he could have got up to something.


Uh, we do? It doesn't look like Chloe Sullivan. So, again, explain how there is a Lois Lane in the future that is not Chloe if the Chlois theory is true? The Chlois theory is that Chloe was ALWAYS Lois Lane, yet she is not the future per canon.

How do you know what she looks like. Shes got dark hair, errr.....Im running out of discriptions that set her apart from Chloe.

The dark hair sure is a real give away to Lois Lane alright!:lol:

I think your Chlois theory is off a bit.:)

[Timester]

It doesn't? Thats funny. What about LOSH saving Chloe, because Persuaders consequences of coming to the 21st Century was that Chloe couldn't be saved from Brainiac?

Persuader came to the 21st Century was to stop Clark from stopping Brainiac. So Clark and the LOSH fixed that by stopping Brainiac. What does that change in 21st Century? Absolutely nothing. It's not like the entire world knows about it.


What about the things they tell Lana and Clark? They didn't mind wipe them afterwards you know.

They talked about their importance, not about what is going to happen, the LOSH does that all the time in the comics. Time in DCU is not that fluid, especially with the LOSH and Linear Men around.


What about the ring? He certainly didn't have that before they came did he?

So Clark has a ring. And? The ring only can be used to go to 3009.


And what about the removal of Brainiac back to the 31st. Im sure if he had of stayed he could have got up to something.

No. The crystal that Persuader destroyed was the Phantom Zone crystal. Which was supposed to be used to send Brainiac to the PZ, a place where time doesn't matter.


How do you know what she looks like. Shes got dark hair, errr.....Im running out of discriptions that set her apart from Chloe.

:confused:

What differentiates Chloe from her cousin Lois is the hair color? That's like saying Lex is just like Clark, but without no hair. :rolleyes:

It doesn't even need to her cousin Lois, but someone else that will be Lois Lane. They have STATUES and HOLOGRAMS of Lois Lane, they know how she looks.

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I think your Chlois theory is off a bit.:)

It's not my theory, it's the theory by the Chloisers that was always defended, that Chloe was Lois Lane since day 1. We got the proof that there IS a Lois Lane that is not Chloe Sullivan.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

I don't think Im getting through to you so I'll give up.

You obviously didn't look up the butterfly effect.

[Bre723]

I thought that was very interesting, how they've heard of everyone else exept for chloe, which really ties in with her not being in the comic books.
It explains alot.

[Kal26]

Well, as was said earlier, someone wrote those history books, so Clark, or Chloe, or Lana would have had to leak the story to someone, because books don't write themselves. So, that said, here is one of two explanations for why Chloe's name could have been left out. Number 1. How many humans are on planet earth? Brainiac could have infected any number of them, or none of them as it can control inanimate objects like robot shells, or even create it's own shells. So, to know that Clark defeated Brainiac doesn't even mean that he had to remove him from a human shell. This isn't the first human it's infected. Can anyone remember the name of the female he infected before off the top of their heads? I can't, so why would the human race, and every other race bring up the name Chloe Sullivan in history lessons generations down the road? The human who was infected would be irrelevant unless the name was recorded purposely. Which brings me to reason number 2. Why was Chloe infected by Brainiac? Because she is so close to Clark that it knew Clark wouldn't destroy it in that shell. So, how is Clark, Chloe, or Lana going to explain that connection. They can't likely spill that Chloe knows the big secret without jeopardizing her safety with the many other Superman villains to come. My guess is that Clark would make sure that the person infected by Brainiac was purposely kept anonymous for her protection. Especially after this experience. Hell, later on down the road Clark is going to know that time travel is possible, and he's going to know that his rogues gallery will be able to go back in time to try and take him out before he becomes the man of steel. Even if she somehow made it to the history books, he may take the time to erase her from them, just to keep her safe in the past. It would have been just as easy for someone like the persuader to pop in and kill everyone he loves rather than just take out the crystal. One thing we have to remember is that history doesn't just write itself. Someone is physically responsible for doing it, and that person, whoever they may be, can't ever know everything about every person, unless they're Brainiac, but then the human race would have been anialated.:p

[Timester]

I don't think Im getting through to you so I'll give up.

You obviously didn't look up the butterfly effect.

There is no buttefly effect here that changes the present. It's not big enough. That's the point you are missing.

The butterfly effects on fiction depends on the writers and it's obvious that they don't want to do Chlois.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

It's not big enough.

:lol::lol:

[Firebunny]

What Geoff wrote is that Chloe is not known in the future, that's it. A hint to the comics. He wrote into the script that maybe Clark will have Chloe change her name in the future to protect her identity or that Chloe's death might inspire Clark to fly. How is that a hint to the comics?

[spotteddog]

I find the no history of Chloe - well, just very strange. It seems to me that the LOSH knew everything about Clark - not just Superman, Clark. Therefore for them to not know about Clark's best friend (even if just during high school and some years later) is absolutely absurd.

I absolutely think that "Legion" was used to set up the future for Chloe. I expect more toward the end of the season.

[pizzahead2490]

i just have a feeling that chole is going to change her name into something we all know in the comics.

[marcella]

It was a hint that Chloe will die before Clark becomes Superman,IMO

[pizzahead2490]

hopefully if chole dies it happens close to series end. we dont want all her fans to stop watching the show;)

[Timester]

He wrote into the script that maybe Clark will have Chloe change her name in the future to protect her identity or that Chloe's death might inspire Clark to fly. How is that a hint to the comics?

That there is no Chloe in the comics.

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:lol::lol:

Yes? Brainiac still ends up being defeated, Davis still ends up being Doomsday, where's the butterfly effect?

[LuthorKent90]

Hint Hint Hint at Chloes death.
Are they really expecting to surprise us with it, or completely throw us off by making us think they're going to kill her off? 0.o
Either way I am tired of it.

[AndiGirl]

Am I the only one sick of the "Chloe isnt in the comics" argument??
This is Smallvlle...and Chloes here.

I'm not saying people shouldnt give reasons why they think Chloes going to die.....but THAT....holds little water with me.

I dont think Chloe will make it...but I'm giving actual reasons, not just the old and tired argument of "she was never meant to be here!"

Just saying... :)

[Timester]

Am I the only one sick of the "Chloe isnt in the comics" argument??
This is Smallvlle...and Chloes here.

But "Chloe not being in the future" IS a comics hint. It was a comics episode.

[AndiGirl]

But "Chloe not being in the future" IS a comics hint. It was a comics episode.

True, but this point of argument has been going on long before the episod aired.
But I agree....it seemed apparent in this episode that Chloes' fate isnt sealed in stone like everyone else's.

[LuthorKent90]

Am I the only one sick of the "Chloe isnt in the comics" argument??
This is Smallvlle...and Chloes here.

I'm not saying people shouldnt give reasons why they think Chloes going to die.....but THAT....holds little water with me.

I dont think Chloe will make it...but I'm giving actual reasons, not just the old and tired argument of "she was never meant to be here!"

Just saying... :)

Oho yes. And I'm tired of the "so and so are meant to be, just cuz..." ;)

And I agree, I think Chloe will die in the end to make Clark become who he becomes. So in that way she is very important to the series and always has been.

[Dobson]

I think that it seems with every new episode, every single word, sentence, etc is torn apart for a deeper meaning, rather then it's just part of the scene. Not that some lines are meant to foreshadow. Just it seems the pendulum seems really skewered to the everything has hidden meaning side right now.

[Groundsplitter]

Persuader came to the 21st Century was to stop Clark from stopping Brainiac. So Clark and the LOSH fixed that by stopping Brainiac. What does that change in 21st Century? Absolutely nothing. It's not like the entire world knows about it.Maybe not in the 21st century, but there are another nine centuries before we reach 3009. And depending on how you interpret Rokk's and Imra's comments on the remains of Brainiac there is definitely one thing that has already changed.
Rokk: "I'm sure we'll be able to reprogram Brainiac into something useful."
Imra: "Let's hope Brainiac 5 is a little more friendly."

Several members of this board has taken this to mean that the Legionnaires intend to create Brainiac 5 from Brainiac's remains (maybe a robotic Brainiac like in the animated show?). Now, if this is the correct interpretation, how do the legionnaires even know what/who Brainiac 5 is? Did Brainiac 5 already exist in their time before they left, or did they already have plans to retrieve the original Brainiac from the Phantom Zone shortly after they returned to their own time?
Regardless of which this has now changed - they never have to retrieve Brainiac from the zone since he was never put there in the first place. So they (or the Persuader, more precisely) have in fact already changed the future.


I find the no history of Chloe - well, just very strange. It seems to me that the LOSH knew everything about Clark - not just Superman, Clark. Therefore for them to not know about Clark's best friend (even if just during high school and some years later) is absolutely absurd.I think this can only mean two things. Either the legionnaires, without realizing that they missed their target, come from a different timeline/dimension in which Chloe never existed, or someone will go to great lengths to hide Chloe's identity. It does not mean that she won't survive for much longer, because she has already played a too important role in Clark's life to be forgotten so easily. Even if she died tomorrow it wouldn't change her importance.

[supercatmom]

Their was another plothole.

Last time we saw Lana, she was in a hospital grown in the hospital with her leg bandaged.

At the beginning of Legion, she was in the barn dressed in the gown she had on at the wedding with no sign of a wound or bandage on her leg.

[BabyDee]

Do you really think they would have Lois Lane be the ex-wife of Jimmy Olsen?

Do you really think they would have Lois Lane be the [Mod Edit] of the Green Arrow?

Oh wait...:\

[Kal26]

I didn't notice the wound, but the dress is easily explained. When you go to the hospital, you are admitted, and put in a gown for sanitation reasons. When you leave, they take the gown back, and you have to wear out, what you wore in. She comes in wearing a dress, she leaves wearing a dress. Seeing as she traveled to the wedding with only her leather outfit, and her dress, and wore the dress to the hospital, I'd say she only had one option. There was no one to bring her a change of clothes. As for the wound. Don't forget, we are about to learn something very interesting about Lana, and I'd say that it has something to do with this. Check the ksite episode guide for info about upcoming episodes. You may find it very interesting.

[SpiritedDiva]

I think there are a lot of good points for Chlois in this epi, as well as Chloe's importance.
Braniac aknowledged that he chose Chloe because he knew how special she was to Clark and for that reason he would never hurt her.

Many seem to be ignoring the line about Chloe maybe having another identity/name which is why she is not in the history books. This doesn't necessarily mean Chlois, but it makes a person wonder. I think Chloe dying would be not only very upsetting, but boring. I think it would be much more interesting for Chloe to adopt a new name.

Their connection in the exorcism scene was very telling. I find it interesting that so many feel they have to insult Chloe to put Lois in a better light. Especially considering Lois is absent. Sounds like Cloisers are getting nervous. Those who have read my posts know I like Lois, and I'm not trying to insult her. I'm just making a point, why get so defensive if your not the least bit worried about Chlark (even Chlois)?

[eas]

It's beyond stupid that LOSH don't know who Chloe is in the future. In Smallville, the speech that SG gave to Lana should have been given to Chloe. Per Smallville canon, she's very important to Clark's life and should be remembered as such.

Chloe is the Canon Lana Lang of the story and it makes the more sense that Chloe is looked back in history books and that Chloe is the one who went through so much to help Clark become a hero. Not Lana. But Geoff Johns was so focused on canon, he gave a rats ass about SV-canon. (To be fair, once Lana is around, no character is allowed to glory that could be given to her.)

The whole "Legion" thing was, imo, a set-up to 2 possible endings for Chloe:

-- She goes into a "witness protection" program & deletes any reference to herself from every single database on the planet. Perhaps Clark time travels with her and leaves her the future or something.

-- She dies.

Out of the two, the former makes more sense, because if she dies at the hands of Doomsday or what-not, it still doesn't make sense that folks don't know about her. If she's so important that her death causes Clark to fly and makes him don the Superman costume, then you would think that her name would be plastered everywhere. If they even know that Clark once hit a baseball... they should know who Chloe is. Her dying shouldn't erase the legacy she leaves behind. (It's like Pa Kent being forgotten just 'cuz he died.)

So, really, the first one is the only one that makes sense. And we all know that Chloe has done this before and we all know that Chloe is a hacker who is capable of wiping all traces of herself from the universe. She says good-bye to Lois and Clark and Jimmy & all three have to pretend she never existed. All the stuff she did back in the day with Clark is given to Lana.... to protect Chloe. So, Lana Lang becomes the best friend to Clark who sacrificed so much for his secret. Lana pretty much "steals" all the Chlark moments, because that way the history books have it recorded, but it's Lana who is given credit.

This also explains why Saturn Girl went all fan-girl crazy about Lana & went on and on about how much was written about her. Let's face it, Chloe is much more of a hero than Lana has ever been. As much as a sidekick can be a hero (and I think they can).

Anyway... that's how I saw it.

For me, the only way the Chlois theory would work is if Chloe somehow ends up looking like Durance or someone else completely. The reason being that LOSH didn't recognize her when he almost killed her. The first thing out of their mouth would have been, "Oh wait, that's LOIS LANE!!!" IF Lois Lane looked like Allison Mack.

So for the Chlois theory to work here, one would still have to come to terms with the fact that Allison Mack persona will not be used for Lois Lane.

[ClumsyGRL]

it's not a plothole!!it will be explain, latter on... if not, well, it will be another mistery like davis wake up with is pants when he should be totally naked.

[supercatmom]

Wow I'm for a naked Davis. Actually I think we have seen a naked Davis a couple of times already this season.

[ekoo]

Maybe she's the last Cylon? Or maybe she heads to Gotham and makes out with Bruce Wayne a little.

[kal-el_Girl]

they didnt even recognize her, which kinda blows any speculation that she'll be traveling under a "different" Name in the future.

a girl can change her hair color and be irrecognizable ok?!?!?
she's the future Lois Lane IMHO

Chloe can't just fade in the background, if they did that, there goes 8 years of caring for her.

[ClumsyGRL]

Wow I'm for a naked Davis. Actually I think we have seen a naked Davis a couple of times already this season.

when doomsday turns into davis, he's suppose to be naked, right???i was so disappointed...

[ekoo]

Perhaps Clark time travels with her and leaves her the future or something.


Oh, I like this! I like this A LOT!!

I don't want to get into the Chlois theory because well, we all know what happens with that... but as a Chlarker I find this idea very appealing. If Chloe was in too deep or needed a way to get as far from Doomsday and his obsession with her, what better way than to send her into the future where Clark knows there will people there to protect her... BRILLIANT!

[kal-el_Girl]

All the stuff she did back in the day with Clark is given to Lana.... to protect Chloe. So, Lana Lang becomes the best friend to Clark who sacrificed so much for his secret. Lana pretty much "steals" all the Chlark moments, because that way the history books have it recorded, but it's Lana who is given credit.

This also explains why Saturn Girl went all fan-girl crazy about Lana & went on and on about how much was written about her. Let's face it, Chloe is much more of a hero than Lana has ever been. As much as a sidekick can be a hero (and I think they can).


makes sense but still hard to read :\

[Primal Slayer]

a girl can change her hair color and be irrecognizable ok?!?!?
she's the future Lois Lane IMHO

Chloe can't just fade in the background, if they did that, there goes 8 years of caring for her.

I think they can recongize difference in hair color. They obviously know what Lois Lane looks like and what charecteristics she has. Chloe doesnt have that.

If anything, it just makes things more interesting since something happens to Chloe to make her basically erased from history. There are so many things that arent in history that happened so its totally realistic that, that happened to Chloe. It doesnt make her any less important though.

Plus whose to say that whoever wrote the history books/holograms purposely left Chloe out? Or someone went in and tampered with them?

[Sunny8]

I said that about Lana when I first watched SV because they were putting so much emphasis on her character.

[biggkoz]

Eveyone asked why lana was in the show and not lois.

[Minamostaza]

More troubles.....

[Storm45]

There's a thread about that already with the same kind of OP laughing and taking comfort in that it means that Chloe is not important.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118043

The LOSH also added that maybe she'll die and that whats propels Clark to fly or that Chloe might have another name in the future as a protection. (Which is also the fans's speculations).

Also Clark replied that if they don't know who is Chloe Sullivan than it means that they don't know him very well.

[Jedimaster_TTBaby]

I agree with everyone so far! I admit I kinda laughed at that line (even though I love the character Chloe...but I just imagined how the expression of the Chlarkers faces were at that very moment.)

Yeah when I started watching Smallville...I asked if that was Lois and my friends said no that's Lana and I was like who the F*&^% is Lana?

[ms.c.]

It was bringing the issue to the attention of the audience. Who is Chloe Sullivan? Why have we not heard about her before? They heard about Lois Lane, Lana Lang and Jimmy Olsen, but not her and considering Chloe's major role in Clark's life, he told them they must not know him as well as they think they do if they don't know who she is.

I loved it that they brought up the question.

[devilneedsaride]

I was really worried by that line. For a decent while I honestly thought they were gonna kill Chloe :(


I said that about Lana when I first watched SV because they were putting so much emphasis on her character.

I'm ashamed to say I actually said that when Lois first came in season 4. I was completely naive to the Superman mythos, but I recognized that she was saying "Lois Lane" like it was really important, so I called my friend and was like "Who's Lois Lane?" and she was like "You're kidding, right? -_-"

[rowan sjet]

They obviously know what Lois Lane looks like and what charecteristics she has.
What makes you say that? Not that I believe Chlois will happen (as much as I wish it would) but you really shouldn't assume things like that. For all we know, the Legion only know the names of the key players in Clark's life, not what they looked like.

[rconner]

The Legion were great and they put together the right actors and actress to play the parts.

The only thing that wasn't explained was why they didn't know Chloe. They knew of Lana, Jimmy and Lois but they didn't know about Chloe in the Annals of History.

maybe in the orginal timeline before the punisher destroyed the crystal. As the legion said, Clark used it to defeat Brainiac. Maybe Chloe perished along with Brainiac?

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The way I took it, in their original timeline Brainiac had taken over Chloe and only by killing her was Brainiac destroyed. Her "death" caused her to be forgotten in history. Now that they were able to defeat Brainiac without killing Chloe, she will now be remembered in history. Maybe I'm wrong though.

I thought that too

[ekoo]

To try and veer this away from a Chlois debate thread...

Maybe they didn't know Chloe because she never died- maybe she's immortal because of her powers and just left without a trace. Clark never mentions her to keep her safe and Lois and Jimmy never mention her because she didn't tell them and they're angry at her.

[LuthorKent90]

Why are people suddenly seeing this as news? Chloe is a character create for Smallville.
We know she doesn't exist in his future, but she has still had a major role in his life and helped him become who he is destined to be.


The LOSH also added that maybe she'll die and that whats propels Clark to fly or that Chloe might have another name in the future as a protection. (Which is also the fans's speculations).What does LOSH mean?

[Storm45]

What does LOSH mean?

Its for Legion Of SuperHeroes

[rowan sjet]

LuthorKent90, I think this episode just highlighted the wealth of story potential inherent in placing a previously unheard of character into an Iconic hero's origin story and giving her the amount of importance she has. Where does she go from here?

[ekoo]

Why are people suddenly seeing this as news? Chloe is a character create for Smallville.
We know she doesn't exist in his future, but she has still had a major role in his life and helped him become who he is destined to be.
What does LOSH mean?

Because now people are attached to her and fine, she's not apart of his future but the amount of influence she's had on his past warrants some mention.

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I think this episode just highlighted the wealth of story potential inherent in placing a previously unheard of character into an Iconic hero's origin story and giving her the amount of importance she has. Where does she go from here?

This is a great point and I'm afraid that because the writers don't know what to do with her, they'll take the easy way out and kill her.

[Primal Slayer]

What makes you say that? Not that I believe Chlois will happen (as much as I wish it would) but you really shouldn't assume things like that. For all we know, the Legion only know the names of the key players in Clark's life, not what they looked like.

They know how teenage Clark looks. They have books and holograms on his and the rest of the 21st centurys lives. They knew what Lana looked like. Just like our history books have pictures of people in it, theirs do to.

[Sunny8]

They didn't mention Pete either and according to SV he and Clark used to play together as toddlers and he was Clark's best friend. They didn't mention Lex either so whether Chloe is mentioned as important or not in the future it is obvious that she is very important to Clark and to who he is and who he becomes. Clark tells her in the Bride episode when they are dancing,"You were always the best friend I ever could have had." Even when Clark has broken up with Lana so many times, Chloe has been his constant companion (though non-romantic). History is full of misinformation. It also has a lot of holes and lost info that never makes it into the history books. Chloe might fit in here.

When SV first started, Clark, Lois, Jimmy and Perry White I knew about but I didn't know who the heck Lana was since I never read the comics. I had to look Lana up to see why they made her have such importantance in SV. Frankly, I still don't see why she is that important. Chloe has been much more important to helping Clark than Lana ever has been.

[Timester]

Maybe not in the 21st century, but there are another nine centuries before we reach 3009. And depending on how you interpret Rokk's and Imra's comments on the remains of Brainiac there is definitely one thing that has already changed.
Rokk: "I'm sure we'll be able to reprogram Brainiac into something useful."
Imra: "Let's hope Brainiac 5 is a little more friendly."

But that I agree, which has nothing to do with what I was answering. I was answering to the idea that somehow Chloe will become the "new" Lois just because the LOSH stopped Brainiac.

[ginnyfan]

I think it was just a Chloe explanation that was meant for the fans. She wasn't in the mythos, and it's a question of whether or not she's in Superman's future. I don't think it meant that Chloe was not important. And I loved it when Clark said that they must not know him as well as they thought they did. They gave the two possible scenario's for Chloe not being known in the future, her dying or her identity changed. I think she'll either join the JL and thus be known by a different name, nickname, or hero name, or she may go into a witness protection type of situation, where Clark does it to keep her safe. Or of course, she could die. But, by them saying that if she died it's possible that her death was what lead to Clark's flying and Superman life, I think that points to the fact that she will remain important, whether or not the 31st century has heard of her.

As for why she wouldn't be known as Jimmy's wife, it sounded like they heard of Jimmy, but didn't know that much. They said something like "We've heard of Lois Lane, Lana Lang, and even Jimmy Olson". To me that suggests that they don't know too much about Jimmy, just the basics as to his photography career as a DP guy with Clark. I don't think they would know everything about his personal life.

It's not an AU, in my opinion. And I don't think the Legion changed the future in any way. Clark's feelings and conclusion that he would take his future in his own way didn't mean that he will do things differently from what the Legion knew. It just meant that he's not going to approach his future as living the life and experiencing the events just because the Legion said it was going to happen. He's just going to keep making judgement calls and choosing his actions, without a heavy importance on what the Legion said. I still think nothing changed the future, and it definitely wasn't meant to be an AU as to Smallville Clark's future.

Great post. You made a lot of interesting points. It's been 1000 years so... just because you know OF someone doesn't mean you know everything about their personal life and whose important to them.

[Timester]

It's beyond stupid that LOSH don't know who Chloe is in the future. In Smallville, the speech that SG gave to Lana should have been given to Chloe. Per Smallville canon, she's very important to Clark's life and should be remembered as such.

Chloe is the Canon Lana Lang of the story and it makes the more sense that Chloe is looked back in history books and that Chloe is the one who went through so much to help Clark become a hero. Not Lana. But Geoff Johns was so focused on canon, he gave a rats ass about SV-canon. (To be fair, once Lana is around, no character is allowed to glory that could be given to her.)

The whole "Legion" thing was, imo, a set-up to 2 possible endings for Chloe:

-- She goes into a "witness protection" program & deletes any reference to herself from every single database on the planet. Perhaps Clark time travels with her and leaves her the future or something.

-- She dies.



There's a third option, which is the one from the comics and animated series.

-- The Great Crisis.

[Primal Slayer]

Plus I think we shouldnt forget who wrote this episode (Geoff Jones). A lot of the charecters dialog were for the fans. Them not knowing Chloe was his way of saying "Hey she isnt in the comics so they dont know her".

[Timester]

a girl can change her hair color and be irrecognizable ok?!?!?
she's the future Lois Lane IMHO

No, she can't. Not with being on every single history hologram or museum.

[Super Maverick]

because she's not in the comics lol

[dotsie23]

In the comics Jimmy and Lana were married.

[WickedJenn]

I know Pete and Lana were married, but I don't recall Jimmy and Lana? I must've missed that one...

[Timester]

In the comics Jimmy and Lana were married.

Pete and Lana, not Jimmy.

[dotsie23]

I know Pete and Lana were married, but I don't recall Jimmy and Lana? I must've missed that one...


Pete and Lana, not Jimmy.

Oops my bad! Jimmy and Lucy.

[eas]

There's a third option, which is the one from the comics and animated series.

-- The Great Crisis.

What's that about?

[Vindellavon]

Well then, PS3's obviously going the mythos way. I shall insert the death foreshadowing hoola right here.

[Fugoukakusha]

Hello everyone. I'm new here but I would like to add in my two cents on what my speculation was for the Episode 11 ^^.
For me, it's really all about time travel instead of the whole CHLOIS/Chloe will die in the end of series speculations ^^. I'm gonna rehash what I saw in the episode. When LOSH arrived in the 21st century, I could see that either:

1.) They somehow didn't realize that The Persuader traveled too far back in time where Clark is still Clark Kent and not Superman yet.
2.) Or they knew that they were travelling in the 21st century but didn't expect that Clark is still not the Superman hero that they knew him to be. (Meaning that as far as they know, Clark supposed to have embraced his destiny by now as the Superman that the world knows about.)

If it's the former, then that would explain why they were surprised that he wasn't wearing his cape and also surprised that Clark can't fly yet (remember they they didn't know the whole truth as to why The Persuader traveled back in time. They thought he was only there to kill Superman, which is half-truth). They didn't expect to travel that far beyond of time. If it's the latter, then it means that somehow something held Clark back to don his alter-ego. As soon as The Persuader stepped into the 21st century, time has shifted. So when LOSH arrived, the timeline has changed therefore, the history they knew also changed. (This kind of theory is leaning more towards parallel universe instead of the Novikov self-consistency principle theory). My take on these two theories:

Parallel Universe: As soon as The Persuader stepped into the 21st century, time has shifted and opened up a new possibility (universe) that the LOSH timeline knew of. As soon as the LOSH stepped into the 21st century along with The Persuader, they immediately saw the difference between that time (Clark pre-Superman universe) and their time (LOSH pre-Superman universe). There were no differences between the two timelines up until they arrived. Look at it this way:

-> Before they time traveled, there was only one universe which is the LOSH pre-Superman universe. In this universe, we were aware (by LOSH words) that Clark defeated Brainiac with the MM crystal. But they did not say whether he defeated him while Brainiac was with a host or not. Let's speculate that he did defeat Brainiac with an MM crystal. One thing we weren't let on is that LOSH didn't say what timeline exactly where Superman defeated Brainiac with an MM crystal. Who knows, maybe Clark didn't have a choice but to kill Chloe while infected by Brainiac in order to kill Brainiac but even then, we know that Brainiac could get out of Chloe like he did when they were in Fortress. So Brainiac could have left Chloe's body before Clark killed her. Her death probably would have prompted him to embrace his desinty. Later on, Brainiac resurfaced and battled with Superman at which point he used the MM crystal to defeat him.

-> Then they time traveled. As soon as they stepped into the 21st century, the timeline has shifted and opened up a new universe where Chloe was saved because of their interference. Brainiac was defeated but Chloe was alive. (I'm not sure if any of you watched Dragonball Z at all back in the days, but they also did a time-travel episodes there. The Trunks episodes. ^^)

Novikov self-consistency principle theory: According to wikipedia, "The principle states that the timeline is totally fixed, and any actions taken by a time traveler were part of history all along, so it is impossible for the time traveler to "change" history in any way." So when The Persuader and LOSH stepped into the 21st century, the timeline did not shift and their own timeline did not change because it meant to happen. Chloe being alive or not weren't completely significant because Chloe were meant to live when they arrived but didn't mean to live after they left. Something must have happened between the 21st-31st century for Chloe for them not to remember her.

Now it's just a matter of time before the TPTB will tell us which of the two time-travel theory they went for. :)

[ekoo]

Well then, PS3's obviously going the mythos way. I shall insert the death foreshadowing hoola right here.

DUN-DUN-DUN!

Yes... it's been as obvious as a an elephant sitting on your lap. With all the Lois and Clark are meant-to-be-forever remarks by possibly everyone on SV, PS3's making it blatantly obvious, it's actually disappointing how much they're putting it on us. (This is my opinion, no need to bring out the fire.)

I keep hoping they're going to revel something big (not Chlois) about Chloe... but it's like waiting for my student loans to pay themselves off, it's just not going to happen.

[Timester]

What's that about?

A crisis that brings the universe to the brink of destruction, leading to a long period of reconstruction. In the comics, we are finally reading it (Final Crisis), but it's yet unknown how that influence the future, considering that we not know which the Legion will be the real one, if any of the 3.

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Hello everyone. I'm new here but I would like to add in my two cents on what my speculation was for the Episode 11 ^^.
For me, it's really all about time travel instead of the whole CHLOIS/Chloe will die in the end of series speculations ^^. I'm gonna rehash what I saw in the episode. When LOSH arrived in the 21st century, I could see that either:

1.) They somehow didn't realize that The Persuader traveled too far back in time where Clark is still Clark Kent and not Superman yet.
2.) Or they knew that they were travelling in the 21st century but didn't expect that Clark is still not the Superman hero that they knew him to be. (Meaning that as far as they know, Clark supposed to have embraced his destiny by now as the Superman that the world knows about.)

If it's the former, then that would explain why they were surprised that he wasn't wearing his cape and also surprised that Clark can't fly yet (remember they they didn't know the whole truth as to why The Persuader traveled back in time. They thought he was only there to kill Superman, which is half-truth). They didn't expect to travel that far beyond of time. If it's the latter, then it means that somehow something held Clark back to don his alter-ego. As soon as The Persuader stepped into the 21st century, time has shifted. So when LOSH arrived, the timeline has changed therefore, the history they knew also changed. (This kind of theory is leaning more towards parallel universe instead of the Novikov self-consistency principle theory). My take on these two theories:

Parallel Universe: As soon as The Persuader stepped into the 21st century, time has shifted and opened up a new possibility (universe) that the LOSH timeline knew of. As soon as the LOSH stepped into the 21st century along with The Persuader, they immediately saw the difference between that time (Clark pre-Superman universe) and their time (LOSH pre-Superman universe). There were no differences between the two timelines up until they arrived. Look at it this way:

-> Before they time traveled, there was only one universe which is the LOSH pre-Superman universe. In this universe, we were aware (by LOSH words) that Clark defeated Brainiac with the MM crystal. But they did not say whether he defeated him while Brainiac was with a host or not. Let's speculate that he did defeat Brainiac with an MM crystal. One thing we weren't let on is that LOSH didn't say what timeline exactly where Superman defeated Brainiac with an MM crystal. Who knows, maybe Clark didn't have a choice but to kill Chloe while infected by Brainiac in order to kill Brainiac but even then, we know that Brainiac could get out of Chloe like he did when they were in Fortress. So Brainiac could have left Chloe's body before Clark killed her. Her death probably would have prompted him to embrace his desinty. Later on, Brainiac resurfaced and battled with Superman at which point he used the MM crystal to defeat him.

-> Then they time traveled. As soon as they stepped into the 21st century, the timeline has shifted and opened up a new universe where Chloe was saved because of their interference. Brainiac was defeated but Chloe was alive. (I'm not sure if any of you watched Dragonball Z at all back in the days, but they also did a time-travel episodes there. The Trunks episodes. ^^)

Novikov self-consistency principle theory: According to wikipedia, "The principle states that the timeline is totally fixed, and any actions taken by a time traveler were part of history all along, so it is impossible for the time traveler to "change" history in any way." So when The Persuader and LOSH stepped into the 21st century, the timeline did not shift and their own timeline did not change because it meant to happen. Chloe being alive or not weren't completely significant because Chloe were meant to live when they arrived but didn't mean to live after they left. Something must have happened between the 21st-31st century for Chloe for them not to remember her.

Now it's just a matter of time before the TPTB will tell us which of the two time-travel theory they went for. :)

Not how DCU works. There are 52 fixed universes, with no paralel timelines. The writer that wrote this episode is the same that brought back the multiverse in the comics.

[ManOfSteel87]

Everyones posts have given me a headache:\



I may be thinking about this way too much, but I have to ask. So originally if Clark defeated Brainiac by using the crystal, Chloe should be known cause she was the one infected by Brainiac. So it's like they never put in the history books who Brainiac infected. And didn't Garth say something along the lines of "I may have failed history, but even I know today is the day you destroy Brainiac." If that day is so well known shouldn't they know a little detail about oh, I don't know Chloe's existence!

I think I just gave myself a bigger headache:\:confused:

Here's what I'm thinkin. . .

In the original timeline, Brainiac was defeated with the crystal and yes, Chloe was remembered in history.

Persuader enters and destroys the crystal. . . the original timeline no longer exists, and the new timeline shows the "host" was killed to stop Brainiac. This, in turn, would cause Chloe to be forgotten over time.

The Legion shows up to stop Persuader. The crystal had already been destroyed and the new timeline put into motion, so with Chloe basically erased from the orginal timeline, she was also erased from the Legionaires' memories at this time.

Clark figures out a way to stop Brainiac without killing Chloe, and with the help of the Legion, she will now be remembered in history.

Basically, the original timeline had been erased, changing the future and the memories of all those who should know their history. . . like 3 heroes from the 31st century.

Of course, this is all speculation or my own interpretation or whatever you want to call it.

[Vindellavon]

I keep hoping they're going to revel something big (not Chlois) about Chloe... but it's like waiting for my student loans to pay themselves off, it's just not going to happen.

I agree. I'd rather not try. I won't be tuning in till Hex, so may the obviousness continue while I drown my sorrows in fanfiction.

[Dustmite]

It's beyond stupid that LOSH don't know who Chloe is in the future. In Smallville, the speech that SG gave to Lana should have been given to Chloe. Per Smallville canon, she's very important to Clark's life and should be remembered as such.

...and it makes the more sense that Chloe is looked back in history books and that Chloe is the one who went through so much to help Clark become a hero. Not Lana. But Geoff Johns was so focused on canon, he gave a rats ass about SV-canon. (To be fair, once Lana is around, no character is allowed to glory that could be given to her.)

The whole "Legion" thing was, imo, a set-up to 2 possible endings for Chloe:

-- She goes into a "witness protection" program & deletes any reference to herself from every single database on the planet. Perhaps Clark time travels with her and leaves her the future or something.

-- She dies.

Out of the two, the former makes more sense, because if she dies at the hands of Doomsday or what-not, it still doesn't make sense that folks don't know about her. If she's so important that her death causes Clark to fly and makes him don the Superman costume, then you would think that her name would be plastered everywhere. If they even know that Clark once hit a baseball... they should know who Chloe is. Her dying shouldn't erase the legacy she leaves behind. (It's like Pa Kent being forgotten just 'cuz he died.)


This also explains why Saturn Girl went all fan-girl crazy about Lana & went on and on about how much was written about her. Let's face it, Chloe is much more of a hero than Lana has ever been. As much as a sidekick can be a hero (and I think they can).

You make a lot of good points and also as I keep bringing up she's connected to almost every single person in Clark's future. It makes no sense that there's no mention of her at all.


but it's like waiting for my student loans to pay themselves off, it's just not going to happen.

You mean they don't just go away if you pretend they don't exist. Ah well, I've accepted that I'm pretty much going to be in debt for the next hundred years or so. I'm not sure my degree was worth it.

[ekoo]

Me, I don't do sorrow? I'll be drinking beer and watching Superman: The Animated Series (I got it for Christmas, woo!)

[Jedimaster_TTBaby]

Well then, PS3's obviously going the mythos way. I shall insert the death foreshadowing hoola right here.

ITA :( It looks like the end for poor Chloe.

[umm]

The Legion were great and they put together the right actors and actress to play the parts.

The only thing that wasn't explained was why they didn't know Chloe. They knew of Lana, Jimmy and Lois but they didn't know about Chloe in the Annals of History.

It's pretty simply really! Before they made the travel back to Smallville 2009, they never heard of Chloe because she was killed and the history made no records of her existence, no the history has been rewriten since Clark has found a way to save Chloe and prevent Braniac to destroy the world at the same time! Got to give him props for that one, eeven if he was a tad bit wavery at one point!
And now she probably will be mentioned in the history books!

[bychance]

The Legion were great and they put together the right actors and actress to play the parts.

The only thing that wasn't explained was why they didn't know Chloe. They knew of Lana, Jimmy and Lois but they didn't know about Chloe in the Annals of History.

Cause they know the writers of Smallville don't have a clue who this made up character of 'Chloe' is. It wasn't in their textbooks! :rotfl:

hmm...I swore I remember Lana being a redhead.


I don't think it's a plot hole at all. In the Legion of Superheroes cartoon, Braniac Five says that most of the factual documents about Supermans origin were lost in the great Crisis. It could be something along those lines. They may know a lot about Superman's past, but they can't know about everything, and everyone. If Chloe doesn't make a mark on society, hangs out in the background, changes her name, or dies later on, they would have no reason to know her name. They are only going to know the people who are directly in contact with Clark once he's established as Superman. They don't really know that much about him before he donned the cape. If they did, they wouldn't have been so shocked about how different he was. To me, a plot hole would be something that can't, or won't be explained logically. I think this has a number of explanations, and will eventually unfold in the story, as many things have on this show. To me, it was also a nod to the comics, because no one in the comics has any knowledge of Chloe Sullivan.

Very well said.

[umm]

ITA :( It looks like the end for poor Chloe.


OK, hold on to your guns there, or at least wait until you actually see her being killed off, erased from the memories of everyone etc....:):\

[sarcami]

Who is Chloe?

Since they have a real Lois and Lana now acting like how she is supposed to be a friend and confidante of Superman, who is Chloe really? The mythos characters have all now gotten their characteristics back from Chloe and what did I see, a bubbly married young woman. Chloe is fast becoming irrelevant.

[Fugoukakusha]

A crisis that brings the universe to the brink of destruction, leading to a long period of reconstruction. In the comics, we are finally reading it (Final Crisis), but it's yet unknown how that influence the future, considering that we not know which the Legion will be the real one, if any of the 3.

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Not how DCU works. There are 52 fixed universes, with no paralel timelines. The writer that wrote this episode is the same that brought back the multiverse in the comics.

Yes, but was it mentioned in any interview that he was following protocol? I mean, this is Smallville. They've twisted a lot of plots to make it their own. And in order to make another one more plot to the Smallville-verse, they have to twist this episode in order to make it work in Smallville from the original comics. But then again, I have the feeling that this issue (with Chloe being not important or not remembered in history) won't be brought up again ever :rolleyes:

[umm]

Who is Chloe?

Since they have a real Lois and Lana now acting like how she is supposed to be a friend and confidante of Superman, who is Chloe really? The mythos characters have all now gotten their characteristics back from Chloe and what did I see, a bubbly married young woman. Chloe is fast becoming irrelevant.

You are partly right, but also partly wrong! First of all, Lana will be in Smallville for three more episodes, and then she will be gone! Secondly Chloe still has her powers and she still has her normal hacking skille and a wish to help people and support Clark towards his war to being Superman! She just needs to find her way back on track! So that fut lady hasn't sung yet, and as far as her involvment with Clark stopping, the fat lady won't sing just yet!!!

[DontCha]

I think this is smallville's way of giving us an explanation as to why chloe is not in the mythos, quite literally.

By the end of Smallville, I think she will be in a position where she cannot be in the history books or in clark's future.

[superhippie2000]

ya i think it was a wink at the comics.

[SVrnFAN]

not really. The LOS told Clark that in the original timeline (the timeline in which either the Persuader or them didn't arrive in), Clark defeated Brainiac by using MM crystal which also ended up saving Chloe as well and thus not having been force to think about killing Chloe. What happens onwards from this event with Brainiac is anyone's guess and in the LOS knowledge I guess.

In truth though, if the LOS did kill Chloe then they'd be changing history right there.

Are we not assuming that Chloe would have lived after Clark defeated Brainiac by using MM crystal. I do not remember them saying, you defeated Brainiac on this day and saved a human. So, we don't know if Chloe would have died or not - the timeline is changed just by the Legion being there.

Having said that, I am curious how Chloe Sullivan is not known in the future when, as someone mentioned, she is Lana's friend, Lois's cousin and Jimmy's wife - makes no sense.

To me this was not a way for tptb to say Chloe is not important in the Superman universe - it was a way to say, Chloe is very important in the Smallville universe.

One other thought concerning some of the comments - if Lois was to die on Smallville right now, it would not affect Clark becoming Superman - Lana or Chloe, you bet!!
As much as Lois is Superman's soulmate in the comic books - it is not that way right now - maybe sometime in the future but not now.

[neoblackdragon]

We dont even have a clear history of the past 200 years. The further from the point in time the more the history gets lost or distorted. Its possible that Chloe doesnt interact with Clark like she does now in the future(he's got batman and co) and Chloe name doesnt make it the biographic movie. Im sure they cant name all of Clarks friends.

[alejandrita439]

agree.. it was a wink to the comics.... :o

[La Donna]

eas wrote:

It's beyond stupid that LOSH don't know who Chloe is in the future. In Smallville, the speech that SG gave to Lana should have been given to Chloe. Per Smallville canon, she's very important to Clark's life and should be remembered as such.

Chloe is the Canon Lana Lang of the story and it makes the more sense that Chloe is looked back in history books and that Chloe is the one who went through so much to help Clark become a hero. Not Lana. But Geoff Johns was so focused on canon, he gave a rats ass about SV-canon. (To be fair, once Lana is around, no character is allowed to glory that could be given to her.)


Actually, now that I think about it, if they had replaced Chloe's role with Lana's role in this episode, everything would have made sense. They said of Lana that she is a good person, she has an incredible future, she's sacrificed so much for Clark, and she's going to go on and do great things and be know for them. That sounds like Chloe. Since the beginning, Chloe has seemed like the Lana Lang of the mythos to me, but I know she's not meant to be in that regard. She is a new character with a new storyline. But, everything they told Lana sounds as if they were talking about Chloe. I don't think Chloe is in any way going to be revealed as the "Lana Lang" in the future, but it would make a lot of sense if they went that route. They could have Lana die, and because of some threat, make a situation where she has to take on a new identity and remove any historical records of Chloe Sullivan. However, I know they won't take this route. To avoid making Lana irrelevant, they could just historically have Lana and Chloe's history and events mixed, so that anything positive that Lana's done is remembered. Too bad.

I still think that the episode was written from the audience point of view. They addressed the point that many fans have had regarding Clark not seeming like the hero, and how it's possible that this Clark could ever become Superman. We saw the argument (including the many things that we've pointed out, such as not flying, his attitude, etc.) , and the show's answer, when he made the choice to save every life and how the Legion walked away knowing that he was indeed Superman.

It's the same thing with Chloe. The audience wants to know who Chloe is when it comes to the future and the story. They presented us with the argument, who is Chloe and why haven't we heard of her, and then they gave us their options as to where they can go with her. We got Clark acknowledging how important Chloe is to him (so that we know for a fact she will remain important to him), we got speculation on her future, and we finally saw Lana acknowledge her friendship with Chloe and how important she is. As for her future, there are three options that I think are viable, and they gave us those three options in this episode, so that we have an idea of where they might be headed, without revealing which one they are going to take.

She could die, which would follow her being in the middle of Clark and Doomsday. They suggested that this could be what propels Clark to take the last step to being Superman, and what could finally get him in the air. That would be a great tribute to Chloe, in my opinion, if they have Clark's flight tied to Chloe when she dies.

She could become a member of the Justice League, and decide to discontinue being known as Chloe Sullivan and instead go by a code name. We don't really know how much the Legion knows about the JL though, since they weren't mentioned so we don't know if they would be familiar with the JL and how they look as to whether or not they would recognize Chloe. This is my favorite idea for Chloe's future.

She could be in danger and thus have to hide her identity forever. Since the Doomsday arc seems to be centered around Chloe, I'm thinking that perhaps Doomsday always has a connection to Chloe Sullivan, even if it changes from "love" to a mere biological force. In order to protect Chloe from Doomsday, since we know he's going to be around for the future, Clark and Chloe decide that the best way to keep her safe is to erase Chloe Sullivan and create an entirely new life. We saw her create a past for Kara, so we know she is able to create a new identity, and it would make sense that she isn't in the history books in the 31st century if Chloe, Clark and maybe the JL erase Chloe Sullivan's records. She could then take her new identity, and either go into hiding or still keep in contact with the others but not living in the same area. While it seems like erasing Chloe Sullivan's records of her life would be unbelievable, it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. One, realism is not the center of this show, and two, we know that Chloe and the JL have the money and ability to do it. They could erase her completely, from her high school records, her birth record, everything. That prevents Doomsday from tracking her down in any way, and it also would perfectly explain why the Legion had never heard of Chloe Sullivan even though they knew so much about Clark's past.

[luvinChlark]

Having said that, I am curious how Chloe Sullivan is not known in the future when, as someone mentioned, she is Lana's friend, Lois's cousin and Jimmy's wife - makes no sense.


IA. How can she be considered so unknown when everyone is connected to Chloe in some way..

On a side not I loved Clark's line after the Legion not knowing Chloe
"Then you don't know me as well as you thought." You tell em' Clark. ;)

[AndiGirl]

It's beyond stupid that LOSH don't know who Chloe is in the future. In Smallville, the speech that SG gave to Lana should have been given to Chloe. Per Smallville canon, she's very important to Clark's life and should be remembered as such.

Chloe is the Canon Lana Lang of the story and it makes the more sense that Chloe is looked back in history books and that Chloe is the one who went through so much to help Clark become a hero. Not Lana. But Geoff Johns was so focused on canon, he gave a rats ass about SV-canon. (To be fair, once Lana is around, no character is allowed to glory that could be given to her.)

The whole "Legion" thing was, imo, a set-up to 2 possible endings for Chloe:

-- She goes into a "witness protection" program & deletes any reference to herself from every single database on the planet. Perhaps Clark time travels with her and leaves her the future or something.

-- She dies.

Out of the two, the former makes more sense, because if she dies at the hands of Doomsday or what-not, it still doesn't make sense that folks don't know about her. If she's so important that her death causes Clark to fly and makes him don the Superman costume, then you would think that her name would be plastered everywhere. If they even know that Clark once hit a baseball... they should know who Chloe is. Her dying shouldn't erase the legacy she leaves behind. (It's like Pa Kent being forgotten just 'cuz he died.)

So, really, the first one is the only one that makes sense. And we all know that Chloe has done this before and we all know that Chloe is a hacker who is capable of wiping all traces of herself from the universe. She says good-bye to Lois and Clark and Jimmy & all three have to pretend she never existed. All the stuff she did back in the day with Clark is given to Lana.... to protect Chloe. So, Lana Lang becomes the best friend to Clark who sacrificed so much for his secret. Lana pretty much "steals" all the Chlark moments, because that way the history books have it recorded, but it's Lana who is given credit.

This also explains why Saturn Girl went all fan-girl crazy about Lana & went on and on about how much was written about her. Let's face it, Chloe is much more of a hero than Lana has ever been. As much as a sidekick can be a hero (and I think they can).

Anyway... that's how I saw it.

For me, the only way the Chlois theory would work is if Chloe somehow ends up looking like Durance or someone else completely. The reason being that LOSH didn't recognize her when he almost killed her. The first thing out of their mouth would have been, "Oh wait, that's LOIS LANE!!!" IF Lois Lane looked like Allison Mack.

So for the Chlois theory to work here, one would still have to come to terms with the fact that Allison Mack persona will not be used for Lois Lane.

Beautiful post Sana. I couldnt agree more. :)

[ginnyfan]

eas wrote:

Actually, now that I think about it, if they had replaced Chloe's role with Lana's role in this episode, everything would have made sense. They said of Lana that she is a good person, she has an incredible future, she's sacrificed so much for Clark, and she's going to go on and do great things and be know for them. That sounds like Chloe. Since the beginning, Chloe has seemed like the Lana Lang of the mythos to me, but I know she's not meant to be in that regard. She is a new character with a new storyline. But, everything they told Lana sounds as if they were talking about Chloe.

I agree. I don't want Chloe Sullivan to be anyone but herself. If she takes a new name it should be one she made up and not the name/life of a close friend or relative. I think it would have been better if this episode had been used to assure fans that Chloe has a great destiny apart from Lois, Clark, Lana etc. They wouldn't have to not know Clana, the surprise would have been that they know of Chloe.

So I really hope that the events of "Legion" changed the future and Chloe WILL be known now. However, I don't know. You're right that they've presented the long asked fan question, "What will happen to Chloe" in the context of the show. I can only hope that they will answer it this season or in season 9 if they get it. I'm glad it's being addressed, whatever the outcome.

[Black Panda]

They said of Lana that she is a good person, she has an incredible future, she's sacrificed so much for Clark, and she's going to go on and do great things and be know for them. That sounds like Chloe.
I think it's another case of what's said on screen not matching what we've been shown of the character. So it emphasizes the injustice to Chloe. I don't think that's accidental.


They could have Lana die, and because of some threat, make a situation where she has to take on a new identity and remove any historical records of Chloe Sullivan.
Well, they did seem to be strongly suggesting Chloe might take on an alternate identity, I'm with you that far.


We saw her create a past for Kara, so we know she is able to create a new identity, and it would make sense that she isn't in the history books in the 31st century if Chloe, Clark and maybe the JL erase Chloe Sullivan's records. She could then take her new identity, and either go into hiding or still keep in contact with the others
Sort of like season 4 when she went into hiding and was using a false name. I think I've hear this speculations somewhere before...



To me this was not a way for tptb to say Chloe is not important in the Superman universe - it was a way to say, Chloe is very important in the Smallville universe.

One other thought concerning some of the comments - if Lois was to die on Smallville right now, it would not affect Clark becoming Superman - Lana or Chloe, you bet!!
As much as Lois is Superman's soulmate in the comic books - it is not that way right now - maybe sometime in the future but not now.
Bingo. Lois has been advanced just enough to give Clark reason to be sad when she goes, and Chloe a reason to honor her.



I mean, this is Smallville. They've twisted a lot of plots to make it their own. And in order to make another one more plot to the Smallville-verse, they have to twist this episode in order to make it work in Smallville from the original comics. But then again, I have the feeling that this issue (with Chloe being not important or not remembered in history) won't be brought up again ever :rolleyes:
Right. At least until the next SWF moment.

[herolee10]

Are we not assuming that Chloe would have lived after Clark defeated Brainiac by using MM crystal. I do not remember them saying, you defeated Brainiac on this day and saved a human. So, we don't know if Chloe would have died or not - the timeline is changed just by the Legion being there.

Having said that, I am curious how Chloe Sullivan is not known in the future when, as someone mentioned, she is Lana's friend, Lois's cousin and Jimmy's wife - makes no sense.

To me this was not a way for tptb to say Chloe is not important in the Superman universe - it was a way to say, Chloe is very important in the Smallville universe.

One other thought concerning some of the comments - if Lois was to die on Smallville right now, it would not affect Clark becoming Superman - Lana or Chloe, you bet!!
As much as Lois is Superman's soulmate in the comic books - it is not that way right now - maybe sometime in the future but not now.


Well as I remember, the LOS told Clark that using MM's crystal was the only way to stop brainiac without killing his human host, so what would have meant that he was able to save Chloe in the original timeline.

The LOS's lack of knowledge when it concerns Chloe, someone did mention that it's possible with Chloe's hacking skills, that she may have erased all knowledge of herself and went under hiding for reasons unknown as of yet.

And with Lois's importance to creation of Superman, well the series hasn't ended yet so it's impossible to tell what role she may serve in that aspect of Clark's life, but Lois has been there for Clark many times when he needed her. And she was the one that gave him the idea of joining the DP

[hellnback]

the whole thing with chloe not existing is obviously a wink at the comics. i picked that up right away. i almost got the feeling that when the LOH said that history might not have gotten everything right about the past they were talking about the stuff in the comics. like the comics were where they got their history. we all know that the stuff in most history books have been changed around a bit. nothing is accurate. the only thing i can think of with chloe not being known in the future is that she was erased from existance. not that she was never born, but that something was done to make sure she was never known of. it's possible that something happens that her own life is put at stake. what if clark makes a deal with jor-el to change time and make sure that chloe is somewhat altered or made into someone else. everyone else that knew her will forget who she is. jimmy's marriage to chloe never happened. that's why nothing is mentioned of jimmy being married to chloe. all sorts of crazy things can be done to make sure chloe is protected for some reason. lana knows about clark's secret but there's a reason she's still around. what lana's reason for still knowing clark and being let on her own, well who knows. but there has to be a really big and serious reason why chloe is erased from existence and it's not just for the whole superman mythos stating that that is why she doesn't exist in the comics or is not well known to superman fans.

[celita]

I think it's another case of what's said on screen not matching what we've been shown of the character. So it emphasizes the injustice to Chloe. I don't think that's accidental.


Well, they did seem to be strongly suggesting Chloe might take on an alternate identity, I'm with you that far.


Sort of like season 4 when she went into hiding and was using a false name. I think I've hear this speculations somewhere before...



Bingo. Lois has been advanced just enough to give Clark reason to be sad when she goes, and Chloe a reason to honor her.t.

:rolleyes:somehow I am not suprised.....amazed to a what degree of.......well lets said the level has been reached, the strwas are incrdibly strong....that I didn't see ot coming? I would be lying

I guess thins thing will never die...I'll put the Chlois next to Lana in: Things I will never get ride of even before Smallville ends

[mlauenstein]

It's pretty simply really! Before they made the travel back to Smallville 2009, they never heard of Chloe because she was killed and the history made no records of her existence, no the history has been rewriten since Clark has found a way to save Chloe and prevent Braniac to destroy the world at the same time! Got to give him props for that one, eeven if he was a tad bit wavery at one point!
And now she probably will be mentioned in the history books!

Everyone knows that the person who goes back in time doesn't have his memory changed when they change history. :)

Proof: they still knew about the original way that Braniac was defeated. You can't have them forget Chloe but still remember the crystal. They'd have to have forgotten both.

[SVrnFAN]

Chlois will not "die" until the last episode of Smallville; as it is an opinion of fans of the show. And if they do not do Chlois (as we will not know until the last episode) it will continue on in the fans who feel that Chloe Sullivan is Clark/Superman's soulmate.

I was Chlois before I knew it had a name. :D

As opinions are allowed on this forum, Chlois for Season 9 ;)

[Sue Denim]

Clark says, "Chloe Sullivan doesn't die." I think that answers it right there. The vibe I get is that Clark worries so much for her, he'll send her to the future to keep her safe, and reunite with her there. That's why we got that little baseball story. That's why Chloe's name is linked with the phrase, "To the future" --twice.

She's could die, I don't deny that, but Clark's scary certainty and almost brutal reaction to that suggestion tells me that if she were to die, he'd be completely defeated.

[vikingjedi]

But "Chloe not being in the future" IS a comics hint. It was a comics episode.

What you're missing is that Lana said that no matter what was supposed to happen in the future it's NOT set in stone and can change. A lot of people are overlooking this. That could be a hint that Smallville will change the canon. Chlois would definitely fit then.

[La Donna]

I wouldn't mind if in the end, Clark and Chloe decide to send Chloe to the future, so she can live the rest of her life with the Legion. But a thought just occurred to me. If they send Chloe to the future for the end, it would certainly leave open the Chlark possibility. Lois is not alive in the 31st century. If Chloe is alive and well, and Lois has been dead for hundred's of years, it's possible that a romance in that future could be implied. He did try and date Wonder Woman one time, but it didn't end up working out and he realized no one could replace Lois. I just think if they end this way, it could be interpreted as a nod to both romances. We would know that Lois and Clark end up together and get married, but we would also be left with a possibility that Chloe and Clark could have a relationship in the future.

I'm not for this idea, but I think it could end up happening. We definitely got an open ended closure for the Legion, in case they decide to bring them back if they do a season 9. He got the ring that could bring him to the 31st century. It seems to me a plausible ending for Chloe, as it would keep her safe from whatever threat she was under, and it may further explain why up until the 31st century Chloe was unknown. If they take Chloe and hide her, in the future or current timeline, they could erase her records from the time of her birth through to the present in order to protect her for whatever reason. She has the capabilities. And of course it would explain everything, from her not being known as part of Clark's past, to where she ends up when the series ends.

I still hope she goes the way of the JL, using her code name and keeping the "Chloe Sullivan" identity a secret.

Although, they did have some pretty big hints that seem to point to Chloe's death, especially with Chloe telling Clark that she would want him to sacrifice her to safe the world if it came to that. I hope she doesn't die. I would be so sad. If they end up killing her, I liked that they suggest it might propel Clark further along into becoming Superman, and it could also lead to his flying. That would be a great tribute to Chloe and her relationship with Clark.

I've always thought that if his flying happens because of the need to save someone, it should be Lois (his soulmate), Chloe (his best friend), or Martha (his only family member left). I mean, it could be anyone and it would be heroic, I just think having it be one of those three women would be more meaningful.

----- Added 2 Minutes later -----

I guess I should clarify that I am 100% sure that Chlois will never happen, was never going to happen, and has never been hinted at as happening. I was never a fan of the theory, even though I had really hoped Clark and Chloe would date for at least a little bit of time in the earlier seasons. I don't think sending her into the future would in any way go along with a Chlois theory.

[ginnyfan]

I really enjoy your posts La Donna. Great thoughts.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

The episode was written by a DC writer. He stayed true to the comics by not mentioning non canon Chloe in the future.

It's got nothing to do with the MTM Theory.

Canon wins over fanon every time. :)

[La Donna]

I really enjoy your posts La Donna. Great thoughts.

Thanks! That's a very nice thing to say. And, I will say I enjoy reading your posts as well!

[Black Panda]

The episode was written by a DC writer. He stayed true to the comics by not mentioning non canon Chloe in the future.
OK, where in cannon does Brainiac Five come from extracting present day Brainiac out of a human host?

That was one of those hints that the future was plastic, and what you expected to be the case might have come about in an unexpected way.


What you're missing is that Lana said that no matter what was supposed to happen in the future it's NOT set in stone and can change. A lot of people are overlooking this. That could be a hint that Smallville will change the canon. Chlois would definitely fit then.
And that was another.

[Xanusus]

The producers have already shot down Chlois. Besides what does this theory REALLY say about Chloe?

1)She doesn't have enough merit to stand on her own so she has to steal someone else's identity. Another person on this site put it best. She's "single white femaling" Lois.

2)And the people around her have psychological issues by going along with it.

Can you really imagine how Sam Lane would feel or Jimmy or Lucy if the person they think is their daughter, sister, or wife(exwife) is really someone else? How disingenuous to them. Imagine them being LIED to by Chloe when really their beloved daughter, sister, or wife is dead or gone somehow. That isn't a good lie to protect them it's just malicious and selfish. OR if they DO know the truth how psychologically messed up is that. OH let's just step all over the memory of our loved one and pretend she's still around!

This theory is junk and will not happen. Swimmer has already said that Chlois IS NOT the direction the show is heading in.

----- Added 50 Minutes later -----

I'm the writer eh? Oh you shouldn't have went there! I choose death then.

Chloe Sullivan ends up being the "White Lie". She finally realizes that Clark will always regard her as second choice. She has an epiphany in "Hex" over this frustration and decides to take charge of her life and to hell with Clark and being good anymore. She takes a dump on her marriage vows to Jimmy and runs to Davis in frustration.

In the end she dies trying to protect Doomsday/Davis from Clark. EVERYONE would regard her as a traitor. Clark/Lois/Jimmy and others don't want her going down in history known as a traitor because they still cherish the memories of her being their good association. So, they go and erase her past and take her out of the history books while keeping her GOOD memories alive in their hearts.

Chloe ultimately fades from history's view but is kept alive in their hearts.

The END

I'm awful!

[alwaysyouclark]

chlois will not "die" until the last episode of smallville; as it is an opinion of fans of the show. And if they do not do chlois (as we will not know until the last episode) it will continue on in the fans who feel that chloe sullivan is clark/superman's soulmate.

I was chlois before i knew it had a name. :d

as opinions are allowed on this forum, chlois for season 9 ;)


yessssssssss...chlois for season 9!!!:d

[celita]

"chlois for season 9"

Where have I heard this before?

Oh yeah; chlois for season 8, chlois for season 7, chlois for season 6, chlois for season 5

[Timester]

What you're missing is that Lana said that no matter what was supposed to happen in the future it's NOT set in stone and can change. A lot of people are overlooking this. That could be a hint that Smallville will change the canon. Chlois would definitely fit then.

That's a common saying on time travelling stories. The thing is the future IS set in stone, or else the LOSH would fix it again. We now know the original timeline, the one that was supposed to be with Persuader changing it.

Chlois does not fit for the simple fact that THERE IS a Lois Lane in the Smallville's future that doesn't look like Chloe. LOSH came from the Smallville future, not some other future. They knew about the day Brainiac was defeated, they knew about the crystal, they knew Lana, they knew about the jacket and the ball.

Chloisers still miss to explain that, but as always on a Chlois talk, things that contradict Chlois are ignored.

[celita]

The producers have already shot down Chlois. Besides what does this theory REALLY say about Chloe?

1)She doesn't have enough merit to stand on her own so she has to steal someone else's identity. Another person on this site put it best. She's "single white femaling" Lois.

2)And the people around her have psychological issues by going along with it.

Can you really imagine how Sam Lane would feel or Jimmy or Lucy if the person they think is their daughter, sister, or wife(exwife) is really someone else? How disingenuous to them. Imagine them being LIED to by Chloe when really their beloved daughter, sister, or wife is dead or gone somehow. That isn't a good lie to protect them it's just malicious and selfish. OR if they DO know the truth how psychologically messed up is that. OH let's just step all over the memory of our loved one and pretend she's still around!

This theory is junk and will not happen. Swimmer has already said that Chlois IS NOT the direction the show is heading in.

----- Added 50 Minutes later -----

I'm the writer eh? Oh you shouldn't have went there! I choose death then.

Chloe Sullivan ends up being the "White Lie". She finally realizes that Clark will always regard her as second choice. She has an epiphany in "Hex" over this frustration and decides to take charge of her life and to hell with Clark and being good anymore. She takes a dump on her marriage vows to Jimmy and runs to Davis in frustration.

In the end she dies trying to protect Doomsday/Davis from Clark. EVERYONE would regard her as a traitor. Clark/Lois/Jimmy and others don't want her going down in history known as a traitor because they still cherish the memories of her being their good association. So, they go and erase her past and take her out of the history books while keeping her GOOD memories alive in their hearts.

Chloe ultimately fades from history's view but is kept alive in their hearts.

The END

I'm awful!

Oh no you are not :p I can get behind that. In fact that has been my theory from sometime that Chloe is not part of the future cause she doesn't want to, I mean choosing Davis over her friends means that she is not being in the future its totally her foult

[JFalcon]

Why would Clark, Lois, Lana, or Jimmy not mention Chloe? It seems to me that in the future they are intentionally keeping her existence a secret. It seems that if she were killed, it would be unnecessary to do that. Maybe sometime in the future, Chloe will have to hide from a really bad villain by changing her identity causing the rest of her friends to not discuss her existence.

So, the people in the future may know her but not by the name Chloe Sullivan.

[shamville]

Rokk know about her, watch again look at his face everytime they said chloe.

[JFalcon]

Do you think they were lying?

[Radioflyer]

Eveyone asked why lana was in the show and not lois.
Do you also wonder why only three legion members showed up? Cost and a limited available screen time for each charactor may have somthing to do with that.

[La Donna]

Rokk know about her, watch again look at his face everytime they said chloe.

But, SG can read minds. Wouldn't she have known simply because Rokk would have been thinking about her (if he really knew about Chloe). I don't think Rokk would have gone to Chloe's house or suggested killing her if he really knew who she was all along and what her future held.

[Vindellavon]

Do you think they were lying?

Imra's the one with the mental abilities, so I would have to assume you would have to be the liar. But then again, she seemed pretty straight about not knowing Chloe Sullivan, but the Rokk kid looked skeptic enough. I can't say that he's lying though, wouldn't Imra have caught it?

Or they're all lying and Chloe's future is up for grabs.

[JFalcon]

Why would I lie?

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

It's kind of like Back to the Future, when Marty goes back in time and gets involved with the first meeting of his parents. When that was messed up, he begins to be erased from history. This is sort of the same thing.

In the original timeline, Brainiac took over the host (Chloe) and was defeated by Clark using the crystal

Persuader shows up and destroys the crystal. The timeline is changed where the host (Chloe) was killed to defeat Brainiac which effectively erased her from history and therefore from the memories of the Legion.

Clark figures out a way to defeat Brainiac and still save Chloe, which restores her place in the timeline and allows her to take her place in history and therefore into the memories of the Legion.

This is the way I'm choosing to look at it anyways.

That makes sense, I like that...however what bugs me is that they remember that the "host" of BrainIAC dies but they dont know who the host was...

[chlo-el]

IT's a disgrace that Chloe's not in the history but a freakin baseball is. I'm sure now Clark knows he'll rectify the situation.

[vezz801]

I'm hoping (NO CHLOIS THEORY, ED IS LOIS, NUFF SAID) that when clark comes out as the Man of Steel, Chloe will go under a different name "writers have been going under pen names for years etc" chloe changes her name, NOT TO LOIS but either that or... Chloe dies defending Clark from Doomsday...

[JFalcon]

Chloe may still be alive in 3009. She becomes Wonder Woman and lives as long as Clark.

Jor-El adopts her, changes her into a true Kryptonian under the name Clo-El.:)

[dpcoltsfan]

Chloe could be in sort of an Iris Allen situation; she gets taken to the future for her protection or to save her life. There she just fades into the background under a new identity.

Or, she does something so great that someone might send another Persuader type back to kill her, so all information about her is erased to protect her.

[Hopefulsuicide]

can someone please give me a reason why her death would mean she wouldnt be in the history books

sometimes deaths are more famous than lives, i fail to see how Clark's best friends death would get lost...

not to mention she is also lois' cousin and jimmy's wife... it'd be a huge event! it'd be something they would all talk about for a long time... it's not like they would just forget about it

[llk6165]

Here's my second theory about why Legion never heard of Chloe Sullivan: The martian man hunter found out she killed Sebastian and she spent the rest of her live in prison....

(my first theory was that her name is now really Chloe Olsen)..;)

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Chloe dies defending Clark from Doomsday...

What an epic battle that will be. :lol:

Nothing against Chloe, but if she couldn't put up a fight against Dooms when he crashed her wedding what chance does she have defending Clark against him?

[Hopefulsuicide]

well in fairness, she's supposedly connected to Davis... i'm not sure how far into the whole 'doomsday has feelings' thing smallville is willing to go, but it's percievable that doomsday would be reluctant to hurt Chloe

plus she isn't quite the normal human... even if she doesnt have her powers, her heart and stuff are still different cause of the meteor infection

[La Donna]

If she's not in the history books, it's because she was erased from history for some reason, whether to protect her because she's going into hiding to keep her safe and taking on a new identity, or because she's being sent to the future and needed to have her life's records erased, or because she's joining the JL and continuing her life under a codename and in order to keep her loved ones safe the records of "Chloe Sullivan" are erased, or because she died and for some unknown reason Clark doesn't want anyone to have access to the life of Chloe (in order to protect her in the future from time-travelers who come back in time to hurt Clark and his loved ones?).

She's not there for a significant reason, and it's not because her importance was forgotten. Something was done to make sure Chloe Sullivan wasn't in the recorded history of Superman's life. There's only two reasons why that would be: to protect her or to erase Clark Kent's memory of Chloe Sullivan. Obviously, I think it will be one of the reasons in my top paragraph, and it will be done to protect her for whatever reason. What I would not like is for Chloe to decide that she wants Clark (and perhaps Lana, Lois, and Jimmy) to forget she ever existed (in order to protect them from????), and so she goes to Jor-El or someone else to erase their memories of her. Perhaps she knows she's going to die and doesn't want Clark, Jimmy, and Lois to be enveloped in grief. When the Legion said that her death could have been what got him flying in the first place, that leads me to the other bad option that would involve erasing Chloe from those she loved: Chloe dies, Clark is so distraught he wants to give up being a Superhero or starts to lose his powers as he wallows in grief, and so Jor-El steps in and erases Chloe's memory and life records from existence in order to get Clark to continue his journey to hero. I would hate that, just as I would hate if Chloe decides to make them forget.

If Chloe has to die, than I wouldn't mind the flying coming from trying to save her, or for some reason connected to her death. But, I don't think the writers should kill her, and I'll be pretty mad if they take that route. Clark's where he is partly because he's had Chloe as a friend, and her death or her being erased from his memory would not pay tribute to their partnership and friendship. So, I hope hope hope and really do think that Clark and Chloe, with perhaps Lois and Jimmy as well, decide that the best way to protect Chloe is to send her into hiding and erase her records from existence so she can't be traced or found, which leads to her spending the rest of her life with the JL using a codename (my first choice), in the future with the Legion (my second choice), or living a happy normal life under a new identity (the only other choice that wouldn't suck, but I wouldn't be super duper happy about it either).

[morena]

can someone please give me a reason why her death would mean she wouldnt be in the history books

sometimes deaths are more famous than lives, i fail to see how Clark's best friends death would get lost...

not to mention she is also lois' cousin and jimmy's wife... it'd be a huge event! it'd be something they would all talk about for a long time... it's not like they would just forget about it


I thouth she has not really died

I thought in her power, the cure,so maybe she die, but not really die. then assuming that she had "died" saving Clark or another person, hours before because her power she would be back to life again. she "died" and many see as dead, Clark knows that she is not really dead.Chloe does not want to be seen as an infected, then Clark go to her for the future (the ring), and then she takes another name and change the color of the hair (remember Clark glasses = superman without glasses) and Siren (Diana and BC)

Clark would not she died to save him. not speak anything about the existence of Chloe. then not know about Chloe

well, is the principle of this idea

[Myrddin]

It is either:

1) The writers explaining why there is this important character in SV that is not in the rest of the comics (she was lost to history)

2) Forshadowing - compounded by Chloe's comments to Clark at the end

[SacredK]

Ooh! They've never heard of Chloe? :lol:

I'm sorry but that whole scene was awesome! I think that was foreshadowing that Chloe will never be important to history :D ;)

:rolleyes:

Anyhow, when they said that, it was a very sad moment. Confirms my suspicions that they will eventually get rid of my favourite character.

[RedKRules]

I don´t care if she is going to be remembered or not, the important thing that I will ... yes .... as the intrepid reporter/CK´s bestfriend/confident/first kiss/partner ... the one that pushed him to the man .... the World will know one day....

and like Clark said: They obviously didn´t know him very well, if they didn´t know who Chloe Sullivan was ..... Thank you Clark for saying that ..... :D

[SVrnFAN]

I don´t care if she is going to be remembered or not, the important thing that I will ... yes .... as the intrepid reporter/CK´s bestfriend/confident/first kiss/partner ... the one that pushed him to the man .... the World will know one day....

and like Clark said: They obviously didn´t know him very well, if they didn´t know who Chloe Sullivan was ..... Thank you Clark for saying that ..... :D

Yes thank you Clark! :D

[susangail]

People like Chloe get left behind historically for all kinds of reasons. I'm willing to let the rest of the season tell the tale... Perhaps Chloe is involved in Clark's heartbreaking decision.

[ColdPlay3r]

or she was transferred to a dimension were u fall down a lot of stairs for all of eternity

[ashleydoll1975]

Its obviously a plot to make Chloe's existence that more complex as well as wink to the fans that she never did existed other then this series. Makes me wonder if that was the main reason her comicbook character was suppose to have come out last year but had some "creative conflicts" from DC comics. But then this is one of the many realities to the Superman Universe. Whose to say that when legion traveled to the past it was just one of many alternate realities? Look at it this way Pete Ross wasnt black in the Superman comics, Lex and Clark were not even friends when they were younger, Lois didn't even meet Clark when they were both in high school. Get my meaning?

[Serynarpc]

I'm sorry, but then they also said that maybe Clark had hid her or renamed her because she had helped him become who he was and had all the information on meteor freaks, so basically they get that Chloe had helped shaped Clark into who he'll become because they saw the connection with the Isis foundation and Lana.

Post for the win. One can't just say 'Ha! They said they don't know about her, so she doesn't exist!"

The entire plot for the episode was based off misinformation about a crystal- causing Clark to have to reinvent history. Perhaps Brainiac's words 'thats why I chose her' make Clark decide to have a talk with Chloe about protecting her (and Jimmy's) futures a bit better.

After all, what's said once isn't always true. After all, Lana said she was never happy with Lex, but seduced him the first time he said he was tired of being room mates. No cheap motels for that girl ;)

[wolverine316]

I love that people are coming up with wild theories to the line that Cosmic boy made. How about Chloe made no impact at all?

[optinox]

chloe isn't in the comics, smallville may keep that consistency. If anything chloe would be the biggest inspiration for clark to become superman. There bond with respects to clarks secret and all the years they've been sidekicks, she's definately the closest to clark. Lana use to be, but i think clark is not attached to her like he once was. In 'legion' they took the time to figure out who chloe sullivan was, and reasons why she wasn't in the history books.....why do that, why take the time to have the legion discuss that, as if to point it out purposely. The also said 'maybe chloes death is what makes him fly'....so my speculation was chloe dies, or in her dying moments, is what gives clark the WILL to fly and save or defeat whoever. Where as lana will be the one to be the last to see clark before he goes to fortress to train, maybe her last words before she leaves smallville to go back doing what she's doing (maybe after she tells clark her secret or if clark finds out), might make clark realize hes destined to be the hero.

[Vindellavon]

I love that people are coming up with wild theories to the line that Cosmic boy made. How about Chloe made no impact at all?

How about, how much of this show have you watched? If you saw the ep, you saw how distressed Clark was just to get the girl back, much less not know why she wasn't in the future. AlMiles made a booboo; they created a non mythos character whom, whether we like it or not, is actually shaping future Superman.

[shamville]

Rokk did not learn eventhing about chloe. He must not have time to he must not find a enough info on her.

[RedKRules]

Rokk did not learn eventhing about chloe. He must not have time to he must not find a enough info on her.

That Harry Potter (Ron Weasley) version of Lad Lightining loves to get his foot on his mouth when he talks :lol: .... he was almost smashed by CK :lol:

[lovinredkclark]

The whole thing seriously freaks me out. She's a huge part of Clark's life.

but only in sv, as her character wasn't in any comics.
chloe has no relevance to supermans life. she was only created for sv

and as geoff johns wrote this ep, to me it makes perfect sense that he would put that line in.

just my opinion

[pfrocker18]

But they r putting her in the comics now arent they wihich miht change the mythos

[actaeon]

They opened a can of worms by inserting that line!

Chloe dies? Chloe is insignificant? She lives out the rest of her life following her own destiny, apart from Clark? She switches her identity (to guess-who)?

The only one I rule out is the last. These people from the future must know what "their" Lois looks like. And they did not recognize Chloe as Lois Lane. I think that pretty much rules out Chlois.

Of course Chloe Sullivan could still change her name. Just not to Lois Lane.

[celita]

^^^^Thank you.....

But you know some ignore the big pink elephant on the corner, looking for small deateils to keep a theory living and ignoring a big clue like how Chloe looks like

Agin they wouldn't try to kill Lois Lane, they were like: mehhh who is the chik anyway lets kill her and save the rest of the world.

They didn't even blink when they saw her, not even the biggest fanboy out there: Garth

Woo coincidentialy was the one offereing to kill her

[Sue Denim]

People like Chloe get left behind historically for all kinds of reasons. I'm willing to let the rest of the season tell the tale... Perhaps Chloe is involved in Clark's heartbreaking decision.

I don't see left behind, I see deliberately erased. Even today Chloe is in the yearbooks with Clark as "Best Buds" captioned on it. Regardless of the why Chloe's unknown to the Legion, there had to be an additional effort to remove her common documents that would put Chloe into association with Clark up to 2009.

I like your approach though, it's hard to be wrong with a wait and see point of view.

[Vindellavon]

The only way I think they could effectively get Chloe out of future books is if they delete her permanently from the current world, and I mean straight up erase her with no evidence that she ever existed. And the only way that could ever take place, in my opinion, is if Chloe's in that much of danger, that Clark goes to dire lengths to keep her out of history and send her to the future; major mindwipe? And this is in relation to a post La Donna made, it would be interesting to see a future DC comic that ties in with Smallville with the intro of Chloe, and the girl from the past that shipped to the future. Other than that, all other options still opt her to be remembered for something.

As one of Lana Lang's best friends.
Clark's best friend since 8th grade.
Pete's first love.
Jimmy's first wife.
Lex's "enemy."
Doomsday's first love.
Brainiac's host.
The Legion's first meeting with a blonde they thought never existed.

[Sue Denim]

Chloe's too important to Clark for her not to have a trail under normal circumstances. Of course, nothing about Clark is 100% normal, so I do think that there's evidence showing Chloe was erased from history, at least from the parts of Clark's youth.

I don't think it would take a major mindwipe, as Chloe's sphere of influence is limited still somewhat limited to Smallville and Metropolis. But a mindwipe could be an answer, that is true.

I personally see this more along the lines of Chloe goes off into the future and Clark spends his days re-writing history so that more prominent things Chloe did to either go to Lana or Lois.

I really don't know what to think, as I've read very thoughtful responses in favor of and against the off to the future scenerio now. The main thing to take home is that Chloe is important to Clark. Not to think so means we don't know Clark very well, per his sayso.

[bychance]

^^^^Thank you.....

But you know some ignore the big pink elephant on the corner, looking for small deateils to keep a theory living and ignoring a big clue like how Chloe looks like

Agin they wouldn't try to kill Lois Lane, they were like: mehhh who is the chik anyway lets kill her and save the rest of the world.

They didn't even blink when they saw her, not even the biggest fanboy out there: Garth

Woo coincidentialy was the one offereing to kill her

LOL :rotfl::rotfl:


Who is Chloe?

Since they have a real Lois and Lana now acting like how she is supposed to be a friend and confidante of Superman, who is Chloe really? The mythos characters have all now gotten their characteristics back from Chloe and what did I see, a bubbly married young woman. Chloe is fast becoming irrelevant.

She was always irrelevant to me, to be honest.

[zHeN_zHeN]

Yup, me neither, not until I started watching Smallville back in '01. ;)

[alejandrita439]

hahahahahah agree :) ^

[Vindellavon]

Chloe's too important to Clark for her not to have a trail under normal circumstances. Of course, nothing about Clark is 100% normal, so I do think that there's evidence showing Chloe was erased from history, at least from the parts of Clark's youth.

I don't think it would take a major mindwipe, as Chloe's sphere of influence is limited still somewhat limited to Smallville and Metropolis. But a mindwipe could be an answer, that is true.

I personally see this more along the lines of Chloe goes off into the future and Clark spends his days re-writing history so that more prominent things Chloe did to either go to Lana or Lois.

I really don't know what to think, as I've read very thoughtful responses in favor of and against the off to the future scenerio now. The main thing to take home is that Chloe is important to Clark. Not to think so means we don't know Clark very well, per his sayso.

Honestly, I think Legion was a love letter to DC from Smallville asking Chloe to enter comic-realm. This ep opened a huge can of worms I'm willing not to chase. :D

[Xanusus]

Chloe Sullivan starts writing under the pen name Catherine Grant and assumes this yet to be introduced identity. Or she gets booted to the future. Or she just dies.

I like her taking on Cat's place as at least it lets her continue to pursue journalistic aspirations in the DP without robbing the identity of an already established character or dying. And it solves the problem of her not being known in the future.

I know Cat is kinda not like Chloe's personality but since when has this show really portrayed the characters exactly true to the mythos?

[llk6165]

I got it!! Legion never heard of Chloe because they skipped that day of history class!:rolleyes:

[JFalcon]

I could be as simple as a name change.

[RedKRules]

Honestly, I think Legion was a love letter to DC from Smallville asking Chloe to enter comic-realm. This ep opened a huge can of worms I'm willing not to chase. :D

Where there is smoke ....... there is fire :p

[Vindellavon]

I could be as simple as a name change.

I am thinking name change too, and as much as I hope Chlois, it's not going to happen. I'm also hoping it's not Cat Grant, please no. Anyone but Cat.

EDIT: I agree RedK!

[harryandginnyfanatic]

How about, how much of this show have you watched? If you saw the ep, you saw how distressed Clark was just to get the girl back, much less not know why she wasn't in the future. AlMiles made a booboo; they created a non mythos character whom, whether we like it or not, is actually shaping future Superman.

I can see that.

Kinda like Lionel, the non mytho MB shaping the future Lex.

[Vindellavon]

Like Lionel the non mytho MB shaping the future Lex.

Exactly. The problem with some comic/book based shows/movies are that they end up creating non mythos characters that even though sound like they don't shape canon characters, actually do end up shaping them. Lionel is an excellent example. Lexmas anyone? How about last season's ep when Clark met young Alexander in Lex's mind? Lionel shaped who Lex will become one day, and this is Smallville canon, but canon nonetheless.

Same thing with Chloe. As much as we all deny that she will never shape Superman because she' non mythos or not canon; I beg to differ. Many fans say the Kents shaped the future Supes. Yes, they did. But now they're gone, and some others have to take the place. Chloe, Lana, and SV!Lex took those promised positions.

It's not happening, it already happened. Non mythos characters have indeed shaped mythos.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I'll say this. Chloe is the reason why Clark met Lois and later Jimmy. And she encouraged Lois to try her hand at reporting.

So she's helped in her role as catalyst for other characters.

[Vindellavon]

I'll say this. Chloe is the reason why Clark met Lois and later Jimmy. And she encouraged Lois to try her hand at reporting.

So she's helped in her role as catalyst for other characters.

And also this, she plays the catalyst role! Sometimes, it gets absolutely frustrating when the "she has no meaning", "she isn't going to make it in the history books" hoopla comes up. Huh?! Are we even watching the same show!? :lol:

[ginnyfan]

I'll say this. Chloe is the reason why Clark met Lois and later Jimmy. And she encouraged Lois to try her hand at reporting.

So she's helped in her role as catalyst for other characters.

Catalyst. I like that. It reminds me of Robin Hobb. She's a fantasy author and wrote a whole book series from the perspective of "the catalyst". He's a person who is instrumental in many major events in history but is not included in any of the songs/history. Only the major players themselves know about him and love/care about him. It's not a pity party though, its really... meat and potatoes. You just feel that he's an essential part in the way events in history unfold. He sort of works with this prophet/oracle character to save the world behind the scenes. Great word: catalyst. :D

[Vindellavon]

Catalyst. I like that. It reminds me of Robin Hobb. She's a fantasy author and wrote a whole book series from the perspective of "the catalyst". He's a person who is instrumental in many major events in history but is not included in any of the songs/history. Only the major players themselves know about him and love/care about him. It's not a pity party though, its really... meat and potatoes. You just feel that he's an essential part in the way events in history unfold. He sort of works with this prophet/oracle character to save the world behind the scenes. Great word: catalyst. :D

I agree, an excellent word indeed. People should use it more often! :D

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I'll admit, that with Clark's parents and Pete gone the plot requires that Clark have one secret keeper, so we the audience know what's going on when he needs to talk about his secret.

[Vindellavon]

I'll admit, that with Clark's parents and Pete gone the plot requires that Clark have one secret keeper, so we the audience know what's going on when he needs to talk about his secret.

And in my opinion, Chloe was a pretty good keeper. Heck, even if she is a plot device, she's still there!

[Cogito17]

Well, just because Chloe isn't mentioned in the initial timeline that the Legion came from, doesn't mean that she won't exist in the future because now the "past" (to the legion at least) has been changed.

Initially, Clark was supposed to defeat Brainiac using the crystal that got smashed at the beginning of the episode. Obviously, in the episode they used alternative methods to defeat Brainiac. So, history has been rewritten in a way that could somehow now allow for Chloe to live/help continue to shape Clark's future.

The future where Clark defeated brainiac using the Crystal may not include Chloe Sullivan, but we know nothing about the future wherein Brainiac was defeated by Clark/the Legion. In changing the way they defeated Brainiac, it could allow for history to be re-written to allow for Chloe to be a major player. It's like in Apocalypse last season, the world was drastically changed when Clark didn't come to earth in the AU, the world can also be drastically changed now that Brainiac has been defeated by another method than what was initially dictated by the Legion.

[JFalcon]

Well, just because Chloe isn't mentioned in the initial timeline that the Legion came from, doesn't mean that she won't exist in the future because now the "past" (to the legion at least) has been changed

You might be right. The crystal that was broken may have malfunction killing Chloe and Brainiac. Now, we know she survived the Brainiac removal. The future may have been changed and when they return, Chloe is loved by everyone just as she is here.

[umm]

And also this, she plays the catalyst role! Sometimes, it gets absolutely frustrating when the "she has no meaning", "she isn't going to make it in the history books" hoopla comes up. Huh?! Are we even watching the same show!? :lol:

Exactly, I mean if anyone has shaped Clark and many others it has been Chloe, and the canon universe needs to wake up and find a way to introduce her in the universe in a believable way, meaning in cooperation with the writers of Smallville! Find a way for Chloe to live past Smallville as her self doing what she loves the most! helping people and heros! Whether by reporting and outing ilegal happenings to the world, helping meteor infected control their powers and reach their full potential, healing people with her powers without harming her own health etc.. Lets face it after eight years, for a human being, Chloe has come close to being a hero herself as much as she possibly can! Why not continue that development in some form or another! Forget the killing and the Clois theory because that would mean throwing out the window and into the gutter eight years of character development! And what would be the point then? Just so to propel Clark into Superman status or save the world? Well that's not god enough! After eight years Chloe deserves a better fate!

[Storm45]

Well, just because Chloe isn't mentioned in the initial timeline that the Legion came from, doesn't mean that she won't exist in the future because now the "past" (to the legion at least) has been changed.

Initially, Clark was supposed to defeat Brainiac using the crystal that got smashed at the beginning of the episode. Obviously, in the episode they used alternative methods to defeat Brainiac. So, history has been rewritten in a way that could somehow now allow for Chloe to live/help continue to shape Clark's future.

The future where Clark defeated brainiac using the Crystal may not include Chloe Sullivan, but we know nothing about the future wherein Brainiac was defeated by Clark/the Legion. In changing the way they defeated Brainiac, it could allow for history to be re-written to allow for Chloe to be a major player. It's like in Apocalypse last season, the world was drastically changed when Clark didn't come to earth in the AU, the world can also be drastically changed now that Brainiac has been defeated by another method than what was initially dictated by the Legion.

True. I watched the episode today and I saw that element known in the future were already changed by the beginning of the episode.

[bychance]

IT's a disgrace that Chloe's not in the history but a freakin baseball is. I'm sure now Clark knows he'll rectify the situation.

Actually, many Superman fans can point out the famous reenactment of the train chasing scene in the Smallville pilot to Superman: The Movie.


Chloe Sullivan starts writing under the pen name Catherine Grant and assumes this yet to be introduced identity. Or she gets booted to the future. Or she just dies.

I like her taking on Cat's place as at least it lets her continue to pursue journalistic aspirations in the DP without robbing the identity of an already established character or dying. And it solves the problem of her not being known in the future.

I know Cat is kinda not like Chloe's personality but since when has this show really portrayed the characters exactly true to the mythos?

Yes, but Chloe and Cat are REALLY two extremes! LOL.

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[jimmyolsenblues]

i think chloe has been since the beginning of the series a whipping post for the writers...
they writers constantly hurt her and they know chloe has a lot of fans.
so to add fuel to big fire...they add this...we don't know who you are stuff..
now you can say that clark changed history, or you can say chloe becomes something else... but either way.... i know the writers are someplace...giggling...look how mad we make our loyal fans.... do you know what i mean? its like tease...

[fan of the man]

History was changed with the method in which Brainac was destroyed, he supposed to have been destroyed by a kyrtonian crystal instead he was destroyed by the team work of the Legion and Clark. We learned in season three in episode 12 "Hereafter", that Clark could change destiny by rescuing people whose time had come to past, such as the track coach who wanted to commit sucide because of the lost of his daughter. He rescue him and the destiny of Lana changes because of Clarks heroic.

I beleive because history was changed in "legion" that Chloe will be known in the life history of Superman.

[eas]

I'll admit, that with Clark's parents and Pete gone the plot requires that Clark have one secret keeper, so we the audience know what's going on when he needs to talk about his secret.

Yes. Which is why I don't think she's going to die or disappear until an episode or two from the series finale or the series finale.

[RedKRules]

I still think Chloe is not going to die or disappear....what for ??? ....

[zHeN_zHeN]

Yes, but Chloe and Cat are REALLY two extremes! LOL.

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:rotfl:

[sarcami]

Why do people want Chloe to become an iconic Superman character. She is not in the Superman mythos but in the Smallville one. Something is going to happen to the character before Clark Kent becomes Superman. Death? No, that's too easy. Living is harder and makes a better story.

[PepsiMax]

Why do people want Chloe to become an iconic Superman character. She is not in the Superman mythos but in the Smallville one. Something is going to happen to the character before Clark Kent becomes Superman. Death? No, that's too easy. Living is harder and makes a better story.

Yeah I agree somewhat.

Also with the hints of Chloe either changing her name or dying it seems like neither of these will happen. It's too obvious from the writers then because we speculated so long before the episode. So what exactly is going to happen to her? :(

[topping82]

To be honest, this whole thread starts on a negative note. That said, I don't think it was Geoff Johns or the other writers at that to make it about how Chloe isn't important; hardly.

After watching the episode a couple of times, I've come to the conclusion that Geoff Johns was going for the Possession approach. Meaning the Legion are the history detectives of the episode. For the most part, we start to see the characters from their perspective. But at the same time, we know more than they do. We know Chloe is important and that she exists. We know she has a huge part in Clark becoming Superman, and that she has made sacrifices just as much as Lana has. We were meant to see them discover her importance. It was a surprise for them. They were DISCOVERING not that she wasn’t important, but that she was.

In the book Possession as well as the film (starring Aaron Eckhart and Gwyneth Paltrow), the two characters discover a connection in the past between two famous writers. It was always believed that the poet was "happily" married and that all of these love letters and poems he had written were about his wife.

But one of the main characters discovers a connection that proves that perhaps these letters weren't about his wife after all. Maybe history was wrong. Maybe they were about another woman.

So the two characters (the literary sleuths; aka history detectives) go on a quest to prove that this romantic connection that no one knew happened before DID in fact happen. Did it mean their romance didn’t exist because history didn’t know about it? Did it mean what happened between them wasn’t important? No.

I think Geoff Johns was saying that the future (what history knows) is a representation of what is in the comics now (hence why they’ve heard of Lois, Lana and Jimmy). AKA, she doesn’t exist, and therefore wouldn’t be known. But what will happen in the future isn’t certain. Could she be added to the comics? Or will Smallville remain some kind of alternate universe? Perhaps the comics are meant to be our history books, but Smallville is the real story. (And I don’t mean this literally, I’m merely just commenting on Geoff Johns writing approach). In fact, it really has been Chloe who has been the eyes of Smallville (as Sam Witwer so nicely put in one of his interviews).

But back to the episode, the events of history become slightly altered. Yes, Clark still defeats Brainiac. But he is defeated in a different way, so whatever happened before, will now be different no matter what. The slightest change will create a butterfly effect. For all we know when the Legion returns everyone will know who Chloe is.

OR she will die (which I actually think is unlikely because Clark would make sure she was known; dying for the cause and all; Clark even said [and I think in some ways his voice was representing the writers,] “Chloe Sullivan does not die.”), or she will take on a different name, or something else will happen that we don’t know yet. The point is, is that the future isn’t written in stone. They left it open to many possibilities. Heck, Chloe and Clark (with the help of Oliver’s resources) in the future could destroy all evidence of her existence for a reason we don’t know about yet that would have nothing to do with her not being important.

Or she could actually become a part of the Superman comics in the future. Jimmy was first introduced on a radio show (the thirties equivalent to a tv show now) and was then later added to the comics. The same could be done for Chloe. But even if she isn’t added, Smallville could still remain an AU where Chloe can become or do anything.

Geoff Johns made the episode all about Chloe, and how she was important. Does anyone else find it interesting that it was the guest comic book writer who made it all about Chloe? So, it seems to be an odd interpretation that Chloe isn’t important. That wasn’t the point.

In fact, Johns had Clark say, “Well then you don’t know me as well as you think you do.” Perhaps, the writers were trying to tell us, that if you think Chloe isn’t important to us, then you don’t know us either.

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Why do people want Chloe to become an iconic Superman character. She is not in the Superman mythos but in the Smallville one. Something is going to happen to the character before Clark Kent becomes Superman. Death? No, that's too easy. Living is harder and makes a better story.

Because Chloe is a fantastic character. Many of the characters now iconic in the Superman universe weren't there in the beginning. In fact some appeared in other things like radio shows for example, and were then later added. AKA Jimmy Olsen. Even Perry White.

So in today's world, a tv show would be equivalent to a radio show back in the day. So if they could add people like Perry White and Jimmy Olsen, why not Chloe Sullivan?

[RedKRules]

To be honest, this whole thread starts on a negative note. That said, I don't think it was Geoff Johns or the other writers at that to make it about how Chloe isn't important; hardly.

After watching the episode a couple of times, I've come to the conclusion that Geoff Johns was going for the Possession approach. Meaning the Legion are the history detectives of the episode. For the most part, we start to see the characters from their perspective. But at the same time, we know more than they do. We know Chloe is important and that she exists. We know she has a huge part in Clark becoming Superman, and that she has made sacrifices just as much as Lana has. We were meant to see them discover her importance. It was a surprise for them. They were DISCOVERING not that she wasn’t important, but that she was.

In the book Possession as well as the film (starring Aaron Eckhart and Gwyneth Paltrow), the two characters discover a connection in the past between two famous writers. It was always believed that the poet was "happily" married and that all of these love letters and poems he had written were about his wife.

But one of the main characters discovers a connection that proves that perhaps these letters weren't about his wife after all. Maybe history was wrong. Maybe they were about another woman.

So the two characters (the literary sleuths; aka history detectives) go on a quest to prove that this romantic connection that no one knew happened before DID in fact happen. Did it mean their romance didn’t exist because history didn’t know about it? Did it mean what happened between them wasn’t important? No.

I think Geoff Johns was saying that the future (what history knows) is a representation of what is in the comics now (hence why they’ve heard of Lois, Lana and Jimmy). AKA, she doesn’t exist, and therefore wouldn’t be known. But what will happen in the future isn’t certain. Could she be added to the comics? Or will Smallville remain some kind of alternate universe? Perhaps the comics are meant to be our history books, but Smallville is the real story. (And I don’t mean this literally, I’m merely just commenting on Geoff Johns writing approach). In fact, it really has been Chloe who has been the eyes of Smallville (as Sam Witwer so nicely put in one of his interviews).

But back to the episode, the events of history become slightly altered. Yes, Clark still defeats Brainiac. But he is defeated in a different way, so whatever happened before, will now be different no matter what. The slightest change will create a butterfly effect. For all we know when the Legion returns everyone will know who Chloe is.

OR she will die (which I actually think is unlikely because Clark would make sure she was known; dying for the cause and all; Clark even said [and I think in some ways his voice was representing the writers,] “Chloe Sullivan does not die.”), or she will take on a different name, or something else will happen that we don’t know yet. The point is, is that the future isn’t written in stone. They left it open to many possibilities. Heck, Chloe and Clark (with the help of Oliver’s resources) in the future could destroy all evidence of her existence for a reason we don’t know about yet that would have nothing to do with her not being important.

Or she could actually become a part of the Superman comics in the future. Jimmy was first introduced on a radio show (the thirties equivalent to a tv show now) and was then later added to the comics. The same could be done for Chloe. But even if she isn’t added, Smallville could still remain an AU where Chloe can become or do anything.

Geoff Johns made the episode all about Chloe, and how she was important. Does anyone else find it interesting that it was the guest comic book writer who made it all about Chloe? So, it seems to be an odd interpretation that Chloe isn’t important. That wasn’t the point.

In fact, Johns had Clark say, “Well then you don’t know me as well as you think you do.” Perhaps, the writers were trying to tell us, that if you think Chloe isn’t important to us, then you don’t know us either.


This is soooooo true ... BIG FAT WORD on everything you said .....

Geoff wasn´t questioning Chloe´s importance .... but only made sure to the Legion through Clark´s words and actions (he never gave up on her) that Chloe is a huge part of Superman will be, if they didn´t know who she was, they didn´t Superman very well ....... how great is that ??!! seriously ...:D:D

[topping82]

This is soooooo true ... BIG FAT WORD on everything you said .....

Geoff wasn´t questioning Chloe´s importance .... but only made sure to the Legion through Clark´s words and actions (he never gave up on her) that Chloe is a huge part of Superman will be, if they didn´t know who she was, they didn´t Superman very well ....... how great is that ??!! seriously ...:D:D

Yeah, I really don't think Geoff was questioning Chloe's importance at all. In fact, I think it was definitely the opposite. I really loved how he brought in the history aspect; that Clark, Lois, Jimmy and Lana were all a part of history from where they came from. But somehow the story of Chloe Sullivan had been lost over time. How many times in history are great people forgotten? Their part never known? More than we could possibly know. I'm really into literature and history, so I was really excited to see Geoff Johns bring this type of sleuthing into Smallville.

It reminds me of a quote from George Eliot's Middlemarch:
"for the growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts, and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life and rest in unhidden tombs."

But whether or not Chloe will become known in the Superman comics, or if she will be remembered in the future, or something else, it will never take away her importance.

They've opened the door to many possibilities, but again I really think the point was, that she is important.

[Firebunny]

Excellent post topping82


I think Geoff Johns was saying that the future (what history knows) is a representation of what is in the comics now (hence why they’ve heard of Lois, Lana and Jimmy). AKA, she doesn’t exist, and therefore wouldn’t be known. I agree wholeheartedly. Johns writes for the comics, but he understands that Smallville is its own story. Bringing up that Chloe isn't in the comics/history books and then having the characters speculate about her history highlights how important she is. The question isn't 'Why isn't Chloe Sullivan important?' The question is 'Why isn't she known when she's so obviously important?'

[topping82]

Excellent post topping82

I agree wholeheartedly. Johns writes for the comics, but he understands that Smallville is its own story. Bringing up that Chloe isn't in the comics/history books and then having the characters speculate about her history highlights how important she is. The question isn't 'Why isn't Chloe Sullivan important?' The question is 'Why isn't she known when she's so obviously important?'

Thank you. :) And I think the question you ask is exactly it. Why isn't she known? Perhaps she will be now that they've slightly altered history, or perhaps there is a reason she isn't known that we aren't familiar with yet. They've really thrown the door wide open. It will be interesting to see where it leads. One thing's for certain, they can never back track and say Chloe isn't important when 8 seasons have proven to us that she is.

[AChloeChick]

Why do people want Chloe to become an iconic Superman character. She is not in the Superman mythos but in the Smallville one. Something is going to happen to the character before Clark Kent becomes Superman. Death? No, that's too easy. Living is harder and makes a better story.

Why do people want her to become an iconic SM character? It's because SO many like her and want her story to continue. After all, JO wasn't always a part of the mythos, but is now. Perry White wasn't either, but is now.

So, why not Chloe? Her popularity is something that should not be overlooked, but taken advantage of. However, NOT the water-downed version (younger than Clark, doesn't know his secret, babycub reporter). Most want to see the REAL Chloe, the SV version of her and feel she can fit into the SM mythos without any problem.

I think they hit on several options for Chloe and 'why' she's not in the history books and not all of them were death. Chloe's ending is unknown and that makes it exciting because we get to see how her story is going to unfold.

IDK if she'll EVER actually make it into the SM mythos, but she darn sure has made it into the SV mythos!

As Clark stated two times: Chloe Sullivan does not die. I say, "Here's to the future!"

[dru-zod2501]

Why do people want Chloe to become an iconic Superman character. She is not in the Superman mythos but in the Smallville one. Something is going to happen to the character before Clark Kent becomes Superman. Death? No, that's too easy. Living is harder and makes a better story.
Why wouldn't we want Chloe in the mythos? she's arguably the most dynamic and engaging character to come out of this show, and for better or worse this show is intimately connected to the Superman mythos. Lionel Luthor has already been incorporated, Chloe has to as well

[AChloeChick]

^^^Are you serious? Lionel is now in the comics.

Wow, and they say SV is just and AU!

[RedKRules]

I agree with you AChloeChick, Legion opened a door with many possibilities to work out ... I really hope Chloe is introduced as well .... if not ... doesn´t matter, she made history in Smallville :D

[geminis]

Chloe has proved her value so much that now in any future incarnation of Superman, I will be waiting to hear her name mentioned, read about her, see her face...

The Legion might not have known anything about her before meeting Clark, but it is certain sure they know she is important to Clark now. The Legion didn't know about Clark's philosphy on not killing, either. Obviously a lot of information has been lost; while it is sad that Chloe somehow slipped through the cracks, it can be safely said that the Legion has been corrected in the error of their ways by their visit.

[F..l]

I really hope Chloe is introduced as well .... if not ... doesn´t matter, she made history in Smallville :D

yes !! she will make her own history and clark will protect her :)
I hope,she will not die :( She has been in show since season one and she should be to end! ;)

[sarcami]

I think that Chloe's personality is too similar to comic book Lana for her to be included in the mythos. Most likely if the comic writers start writing Lana as she is portrayed in SV then they can include a Chloe character.

[Supsfan]

Why do people want her to become an iconic SM character? It's because SO many like her and want her story to continue. After all, JO wasn't always a part of the mythos, but is now. Perry White wasn't either, but is now.


Here is the problem with the character of Chloe Sullivan. Chloe seems to have taken a lot of characteristics of other characters already in the comics. Going by Clark’s younger life, Chloe seemed to get a lot of the Comic Book Lana and Comic Book Pete purposes on the show, so she would be stepping over already established characters and become redundant.

Beyond that, Clark Kent in the comics doesn’t need a “sidekick” so that aspect of her character would have to be scrapped as well. The only way they could incorporate Chloe into the comics would be to water down her character so she doesn’t step over other established characters. The only 2 way I can see this is if they go with the way they originally were going to use her(a much Younger cousin of Lois who interns at the DP but has no real relation to Clark, with this we could explore the Chimmy aspect of her SV character, but even then that is usually a Lucy Lane storyline) or have her work at Clark’s school newspaper but not be as involved in Clark life as she is on Smallville(we already have Pete and Lana for those purposes in the comics).

Personally I think making her Clark’s high school editor would be a great idea, it would give Clark a link to Lois Lane in his younger life. I would make her like she was the first 3 seasons when she wasn’t involved in the storylines so much and just there if you want to do a Clark being a journalist storyline in his younger years. I would also not have her finding out the secret(Lana storyline) or being Clark’s BFF(Pete or Lana) be part of her storyline in the comics.

[sarcami]

here is the problem with the character of chloe sullivan. Chloe seems to have taken a lot of characteristics of other characters already in the comics. Going by clark’s younger life, chloe seemed to get a lot of the comic book lana and comic book pete purposes on the show, so she would be stepping over already established characters and become redundant.

Beyond that, clark kent in the comics doesn’t need a “sidekick” so that aspect of her character would have to be scrapped as well. The only way they could incorporate chloe into the comics would be to water down her character so she doesn’t step over other established characters. The only 2 way i can see this is if they go with the way they originally were going to use her(a much younger cousin of lois who interns at the dp but has no real relation to clark, with this we could explore the chimmy aspect of her sv character, but even then that is usually a lucy lane storyline) or have her work at clark’s school newspaper but not be as involved in clark life as she is on smallville(we already have pete and lana for those purposes in the comics).

Personally i think making her clark’s high school editor would be a great idea, it would give clark a link to lois lane in his younger life. I would make her like she was the first 3 seasons when she wasn’t involved in the storylines so much and just there if you want to do a clark being a journalist storyline in his younger years. I would also not have her finding out the secret(lana storyline) or being clark’s bff(pete or lana) be part of her storyline in the comics.

She is just to similar to other characters and they would have to give her a new personality.

[bigblueplanet]

Here is the problem with the character of Chloe Sullivan. Chloe seems to have taken a lot of characteristics of other characters already in the comics. Going by Clark’s younger life, Chloe seemed to get a lot of the Comic Book Lana and Comic Book Pete purposes on the show, so she would be stepping over already established characters and become redundant.

Beyond that, Clark Kent in the comics doesn’t need a “sidekick” so that aspect of her character would have to be scrapped as well. The only way they could incorporate Chloe into the comics would be to water down her character so she doesn’t step over other established characters. The only 2 way I can see this is if they go with the way they originally were going to use her(a much Younger cousin of Lois who interns at the DP but has no real relation to Clark, with this we could explore the Chimmy aspect of her SV character, but even then that is usually a Lucy Lane storyline) or have her work at Clark’s school newspaper but not be as involved in Clark life as she is on Smallville(we already have Pete and Lana for those purposes in the comics).

Personally I think making her Clark’s high school editor would be a great idea, it would give Clark a link to Lois Lane in his younger life. I would make her like she was the first 3 seasons when she wasn’t involved in the storylines so much and just there if you want to do a Clark being a journalist storyline in his younger years. I would also not have her finding out the secret(Lana storyline) or being Clark’s BFF(Pete or Lana) be part of her storyline in the comics.

ITA.

This is what Kurt Busiek (Superman comic writer at the time) had to say.

"The problem we'd have faced if we brought her in with the same background as the TV show is that she'd fill two basic roles -- the Girl from Back Home and the Reporter -- and those roles are both pretty solidly filled in the adult Superman cast, by Lana and Lois. So she's got to have a different spin, one that lets her occupy a different role from either of them.
She's the younger sister of someone Clark went to school with, not a classmate of Clark 's herself. As a result, she's the new intern at the Daily Planet, fresh out of journalism school and itching to make a name for herself. That'll make her clearly different from Lois and Lana, and at the same time more familiar to watchers of the show."

I'm not sure if Chloe's fan thought this comic-version of Chloe to be "more familiar to watchers of the show", though.

But I think the fact that LoSH NOT knowing Chloe opend the door for her to be the part of Superman mythos in the future IMO.
Well....just a hunch.


Oh and .....welcome to K-site! Supsfan. :)

[Dustmite]

To be honest, this whole thread starts on a negative note. That said, I don't think it was Geoff Johns or the other writers at that to make it about how Chloe isn't important; hardly.

After watching the episode a couple of times, I've come to the conclusion that Geoff Johns was going for the Possession approach. Meaning the Legion are the history detectives of the episode. For the most part, we start to see the characters from their perspective. But at the same time, we know more than they do. We know Chloe is important and that she exists. We know she has a huge part in Clark becoming Superman, and that she has made sacrifices just as much as Lana has. We were meant to see them discover her importance. It was a surprise for them. They were DISCOVERING not that she wasn’t important, but that she was.

In the book Possession as well as the film (starring Aaron Eckhart and Gwyneth Paltrow), the two characters discover a connection in the past between two famous writers. It was always believed that the poet was "happily" married and that all of these love letters and poems he had written were about his wife.

But one of the main characters discovers a connection that proves that perhaps these letters weren't about his wife after all. Maybe history was wrong. Maybe they were about another woman.

So the two characters (the literary sleuths; aka history detectives) go on a quest to prove that this romantic connection that no one knew happened before DID in fact happen. Did it mean their romance didn’t exist because history didn’t know about it? Did it mean what happened between them wasn’t important? No.

I think Geoff Johns was saying that the future (what history knows) is a representation of what is in the comics now (hence why they’ve heard of Lois, Lana and Jimmy). AKA, she doesn’t exist, and therefore wouldn’t be known. But what will happen in the future isn’t certain. Could she be added to the comics? Or will Smallville remain some kind of alternate universe? Perhaps the comics are meant to be our history books, but Smallville is the real story. (And I don’t mean this literally, I’m merely just commenting on Geoff Johns writing approach). In fact, it really has been Chloe who has been the eyes of Smallville (as Sam Witwer so nicely put in one of his interviews).

But back to the episode, the events of history become slightly altered. Yes, Clark still defeats Brainiac. But he is defeated in a different way, so whatever happened before, will now be different no matter what. The slightest change will create a butterfly effect. For all we know when the Legion returns everyone will know who Chloe is.

OR she will die (which I actually think is unlikely because Clark would make sure she was known; dying for the cause and all; Clark even said [and I think in some ways his voice was representing the writers,] “Chloe Sullivan does not die.”), or she will take on a different name, or something else will happen that we don’t know yet. The point is, is that the future isn’t written in stone. They left it open to many possibilities. Heck, Chloe and Clark (with the help of Oliver’s resources) in the future could destroy all evidence of her existence for a reason we don’t know about yet that would have nothing to do with her not being important.

Or she could actually become a part of the Superman comics in the future. Jimmy was first introduced on a radio show (the thirties equivalent to a tv show now) and was then later added to the comics. The same could be done for Chloe. But even if she isn’t added, Smallville could still remain an AU where Chloe can become or do anything.

Geoff Johns made the episode all about Chloe, and how she was important. Does anyone else find it interesting that it was the guest comic book writer who made it all about Chloe? So, it seems to be an odd interpretation that Chloe isn’t important. That wasn’t the point.

In fact, Johns had Clark say, “Well then you don’t know me as well as you think you do.” Perhaps, the writers were trying to tell us, that if you think Chloe isn’t important to us, then you don’t know us either

Brilliant post :)

As for Chloe appearing in the comics, I don't care if it never happens. I know some want her there so she won't be forgotten but I'm pretty happy with her being unique to Smallville and being unique to Tom Welling's Clark Kent. It works for me.

[Firebunny]

As for Chloe appearing in the comics, I don't care if it never happens. I know some want her there so she won't be forgotten but I'm pretty happy with her being unique to Smallville and being unique to Tom Welling's Clark Kent. It works for me. I agree.

I know that some people want her in the comics because it'll somehow make her "real." But none of these characters are real, whether they've been around for 8 years or 70 years. I'm content to have her character stay on Smallville and be important only to the Smallville universe.

[Dustmite]

I agree.

I know that some people want her in the comics because it'll somehow make her "real." But none of these characters are real, whether they've been around for 8 years or 70 years. I'm content to have her character stay on Smallville and be important only to the Smallville universe.

It always confounds me when people dismiss her role on the show as not being important because she's not real as she's not in the comics and therefore not iconic. We're talking about fictional characters. None of them are real but Chloe Sullivan is real enough to Smallville's Clark Kent and to the Smallville canon and that's all I care about.

I know some people celebrated when the Legion revealed they'd never heard of her because that made her even more unreal but hey, Clark said it best when he responded to them by saying, "then you don't know me as well as you think you do."

[Vindellavon]

Why do people want her to become an iconic SM character? It's because SO many like her and want her story to continue. After all, JO wasn't always a part of the mythos, but is now. Perry White wasn't either, but is now.

So, why not Chloe? Her popularity is something that should not be overlooked, but taken advantage of. However, NOT the water-downed version (younger than Clark, doesn't know his secret, babycub reporter). Most want to see the REAL Chloe, the SV version of her and feel she can fit into the SM mythos without any problem.

I think they hit on several options for Chloe and 'why' she's not in the history books and not all of them were death. Chloe's ending is unknown and that makes it exciting because we get to see how her story is going to unfold.

IDK if she'll EVER actually make it into the SM mythos, but she darn sure has made it into the SV mythos!

As Clark stated two times: Chloe Sullivan does not die. I say, "Here's to the future!"

I'll drink to that! *raises champagne flute*


I agree with you AChloeChick, Legion opened a door with many possibilities to work out ... I really hope Chloe is introduced as well .... if not ... doesn´t matter, she made history in Smallville :D

Yup, and the way Geoff executed the episode was beyond brilliant. And speaking Supes wise, it was a pretty good move.


It always confounds me when people dismiss her role on the show as not being important because she's not real as she's not in the comics and therefore not iconic. We're talking about fictional characters. None of them are real but Chloe Sullivan is real enough to Smallville's Clark Kent and to the Smallville canon and that's all I care about.

I know some people celebrated when the Legion revealed they'd never heard of her because that made her even more unreal but hey, Clark said it best when he responded to them by saying, "then you don't know me as well as you think you do."

And that tells me one thing only. History is about to get a rewrite, Smallville style!

[RedKRules]

Totally agree with you Firebunny and Dustmite :) .... we will always how much Chloe meant to CK ... :) that is something unforgottable

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Yup, and the way Geoff executed the episode was beyond brilliant. And speaking Supes wise, it was a pretty good move.


True, even if he is a comic writer, he made justice to Chloe Sullivan :) and kept everything on Smallville style which made it even more fun to watch :)

[Vindellavon]

True, even if he is a comic writer, he made justice to Chloe Sullivan :) and kept everything on Smallville style which made it even more fun to watch :)

What I'm really thankful for is the way Geoff gave justice to the character. He didn't play, he didn't screw, he sent a message to DC. It was clear, it was concise, and it went straight to the point. And to top it off, we had Tom's most brilliant act sequences of the season, and of course, AM nailed her role perfectly.

[oqllcksmallville]

I don't thisnk it's that she's never mentioned ,
Just to keep her safe ,
Clark never let her come out about her HUGE involvment ,
And they have kept it a scret .
So that's why they have not heard .

[Pantalaimon]

gotta hand it to the producers, they play really well on the concerns of the fans about Chloe's future. This is what makes prequels so much fun. By and large we know what will happen. But the things we don't know about are all the more intriguing for it.

[Vindellavon]

gotta hand it to the producers, they play really well on the concerns of the fans about Chloe's future. This is what makes prequels so much fun. By and large we know what will happen. But the things we don't know about are all the more intriguing for it.

I agree!

[RedKRules]

you are so right Pantalaimon, I am really intrigued to know what will happen to her

[Vindellavon]

you are so right Pantalaimon, I am really intrigued to know what will happen to her

I think half the Chlark/Chlois/Chloelover population's waiting for that answer! :p

[RedKRules]

:lol: True !

[Vindellavon]

:lol: True !

And I truly am waiting for the answer. Hopefully it's a good one!

[rehana/chole]

i think wen writer creat chole s as part of sv they were try 2 make a lois type charter forunatley allison made chole charater in 2 a person we love she breath life into a charater who wAS unnone. so the write hav problem now cause the lois they created those not meke u belive in LoisNClark (they have 2 charater on sv that seen fake.) chloe/AM is just great she seem as someone who is not up tight, or alway geting guy , or guys fallin at ur feet type of girl ,like lois who in sv been use as show she is moe body then brain they made her dum.chole is speical that y alot of ppl like her she great as as chole an as her slef . i think AM made her charater chole spo creat it better then the orginal lois ( she seen so stuck up now lois that is form orginal )
i love lois n clark wen series was on but even they did stick 2 the orginal superman storyline so y do sv writer have 2 so far they have not and i read some were on sv site allison say DC bought the rite 2 her charater which mean they thinking abt gteing her charater in the comics.secoundly in superman return movie lois lane is married 2 someone other then super man so story can chanage i belive if dc stop try 2 control sv , maybe these writer can creat a new team/story abt superman y not let show become a superman series i mean it almost like superman series rite now is .a all they need is smallville superman return and ban u gpot fan going crazy cause u show the story count;d from the story of the fram boy to the man of steel an jhis adventure as a man . any chole is great and if u kill her off of well we chole fan still win cause IF CHOLE DID NOT DIETHEN U CLOIS FAN WOULD NOT HAVE SUPERMAN CAUSE like rokk siad maybe she make him into super man whose better the person who makes him into superman (chole) or the lady who fall for him wen he turn into superman who now nothing excect what she wants (lois):eek:

[ginnyfan]

^Why should Lois Lane create Superman? I'd rather she live her own life and Superman create himself. Support and love and encouragement are great but... I don't want anyone to make Clark into Superman. *sigh*

Honestly if DC hadn't tried to control things I doubt there ever would have been a character called Chloe Sullivan. If they wanted Lois Lane they would have just had Lois Lane on the show. But because the COULDN'T have Lois Lane they created a different character to hold down the journalism side of the story. That's the impression I got.

But welcome rehana/chloe. You certainly aren't alone in your hopes and opinions.

ETA: I'm starting to think somethings up with the Legion never hearing of Chloe. I actually hope they were just yanking the fans' chains and not really limiting Chloe's future to two crappy (IMO) options. However, I just read a recap/review of Legion and it made me wonder: how is it that they know about a baseball Clark hit once and not Chloe? Even if she died/changed her name... it seems like her identity was erased.

[Watching Smallville]

Yeah, I know that he was originally supposed to defeat Brainiac with the crystal, but here's my train of thought, just to try and keep it from being a plothole. . .

When Persuader destroyed the crystal, that would've changed the future into one where the host for Brainiac was killed to destroy him, which in turn could have also affected what the Legion remembered from history. However, Clark was able to change the timeline again when he came up with a way to destroy Brainiac without killing Chloe. Now, Chloe will be remembered in history.

And then it is quite possible that there will be more to it than we know, and will be reveal as the season continues.

That's exactly what I thought. I also thought it shows how history leaves out a lot of important people. Chloe has saved Clark's hide more than once. If she weren't around, there's a good chance they never would have heard of Clark Kent either!

[Firebunny]

I just read a recap/review of Legion and it made me wonder: how is it that they know about a baseball Clark hit once and not Chloe? Even if she died/changed her name... it seems like her identity was erased. The baseball, IMO, is proof that the timeline never changed. In the future the Legion comes from, the baseball is known about but never found. We know why it was never found. Clark gave the ball to Garth who then took it to the 31st century with him. For 1000 years it doesn't exist in time to be found.

If the baseball always goes into the future that means the Legion always came back and helped Clark to defeat Brainiac. The crystal was always destroyed before it could be used. But history records that the crystal was used while at the same time losing the name of the person Brainiac possessed.

If history says the crystal was used when it wasn't that means someone had to lie to the historians. There are only three people who even know Brainiac possessed someone, Clark, Lana and Chloe. There's only one person in the present who knows the crystal was supposed to extract Brainiac, Clark. It all suggests that Clark lies about how Brainiac was defeated and leaves Chloe's name out of it on purpose.

The question is, why does Clark want history to get the story wrong and why does he want Chloe to be forgotten?

[DontCha]

Good post firebunny. Thats sort of how I've been thinking but I also get this creeping feeling of dread because it was hinted at various times in this episode that something bad may happen to chloe in order for clark to become superman. Death or dissapearence or name change/hiding.

and then chloe says at the end that if it really boils down to it if he had to save the world or her (IMO a situation where there is ansolutely no other choice), she would want him to save the world and she would be OK with him making that choice.

all very odd in an episode where we learn that she is not known in the future nor is she still in clark's life

i feel thats the most important thing, the legion didnt even bat an eyelid when they saw her so she's most likely not in clark's life at all when he's superman.

but why?

Is he keping her safe from something, or is she dead/dissapeared/run away and changed her name so he cannot find her?

[RedKRules]

Wowwww Firebunny, that is some really interesting question .... the only reason I can think of as why Clark would had lied about it is because he wanted to protect Chloe, but to me it still doesn´t feel right.

[Kalista]

The Legion certainly batted their eyes when they saw how Chloe and Clark were looking at each other after her techno-exorcism. Even the Legion could sense something was up with Chlark. Their expression read, "Maybe we should give them a moment."

[RedKRules]

That is true, now I am sure they went home wondering why Chloe Sullivan was not part of history and if that is going to change :p

[Dustmite]

The baseball, IMO, is proof that the timeline never changed. In the future the Legion comes from, the baseball is known about but never found. We know why it was never found. Clark gave the ball to Garth who then took it to the 31st century with him. For 1000 years it doesn't exist in time to be found.

If the baseball always goes into the future that means the Legion always came back and helped Clark to defeat Brainiac. The crystal was always destroyed before it could be used. But history records that the crystal was used while at the same time losing the name of the person Brainiac possessed.

If history says the crystal was used when it wasn't that means someone had to lie to the historians. There are only three people who even know Brainiac possessed someone, Clark, Lana and Chloe. There's only one person in the present who knows the crystal was supposed to extract Brainiac, Clark. It all suggests that Clark lies about how Brainiac was defeated and leaves Chloe's name out of it on purpose.

The question is, why does Clark want history to get the story wrong and why does he want Chloe to be forgotten?

Great post :)

Your last question is one that I hope will be answered on the show.

[Bringitback]

It's odd they never heard of her since she married Jimmy and they know jimmy. LOL


Maybe they thought she was a random, or maybe they get a annoulment so it never accually happened? and maybe then, Chloe moves far far away from smallville and Metropolis. (wishfull thinking)

[Firebunny]

Your last question is one that I hope will be answered on the show. Well, I think the episode set up why Clark will want history to forget Chloe Sullivan. He'll do it to protect her. Why does she need protection when Lois, Lana and Jimmy don't? It can only be that she has a connection to Superman that makes her a target for his enemies. And what is that connection?




She's Clark's Baby Mama.

[miks]

Has to be!
Man would they have some gorgeous, hunky, brainy babies! lol

[Dustmite]

Well, I think the episode set up why Clark will want history to forget Chloe Sullivan. He'll do it to protect her. Why does she need protection when Lois, Lana and Jimmy don't? It can only be that she has a connection to Superman that makes her a target for his enemies. And what is that connection?




She's Clark's Baby Mama.

:lol:

Of course. How could I miss that?!

[RedKRules]

Well, I think the episode set up why Clark will want history to forget Chloe Sullivan. He'll do it to protect her. Why does she need protection when Lois, Lana and Jimmy don't? It can only be that she has a connection to Superman that makes her a target for his enemies. And what is that connection?




She's Clark's Baby Mama.

Lovely :D

[Sue Denim]

The baseball, IMO, is proof that the timeline never changed. In the future the Legion comes from, the baseball is known about but never found. We know why it was never found. Clark gave the ball to Garth who then took it to the 31st century with him. For 1000 years it doesn't exist in time to be found.

If the baseball always goes into the future that means the Legion always came back and helped Clark to defeat Brainiac. The crystal was always destroyed before it could be used. But history records that the crystal was used while at the same time losing the name of the person Brainiac possessed.

If history says the crystal was used when it wasn't that means someone had to lie to the historians. There are only three people who even know Brainiac possessed someone, Clark, Lana and Chloe. There's only one person in the present who knows the crystal was supposed to extract Brainiac, Clark. It all suggests that Clark lies about how Brainiac was defeated and leaves Chloe's name out of it on purpose.

The question is, why does Clark want history to get the story wrong and why does he want Chloe to be forgotten?
Excellent deduction. I think you've turned me on this one. Of course, for me the reason is that Chloe has to be protected, for whatever reason. Thank you for reposting this idea.

[Vindellavon]

well, i think the episode set up why clark will want history to forget chloe sullivan. He'll do it to protect her. Why does she need protection when lois, lana and jimmy don't? It can only be that she has a connection to superman that makes her a target for his enemies. And what is that connection?




She's clark's baby mama.

Amen! :D

[Firebunny]

Excellent deduction. I think you've turned me on this one. Of course, for me the reason is that Chloe has to be protected, for whatever reason. Thank you for reposting this idea. Someone else pointed out the importance of the baseball to me and how it means the timeline was never changed. I don't want to take credit for that.

Lying to the historians doesn't make any sense unless it's to protect Chloe. If she's dead there's no reason to protect her. Lying about the crystal does make some sense since it insures that The Persuader will come back in time to destroy it and the Legion will follow. Clark needs the Legion's help. But leaving Chloe's name out and making sure history forgets about her (when Clark was so clearly distressed by that idea) only make sense if it's to protect her. Why does she need protection when Lois, Lana and Jimmy don't?

[MeKa]

The Legion certainly batted their eyes when they saw how Chloe and Clark were looking at each other after her techno-exorcism. Even the Legion could sense something was up with Chlark. Their expression read, "Maybe we should give them a moment."

I thought they sorta exchanged "job well done" glances but Garth looked giddy. Then again, Imra reads people's minds, I'd say she's more than aware of the Chlark connection. It's too bad the Legion couldn't interact with Chloe. I would've thought that Rokk might have questions about Chloe's Wall of Weird.

[Mr. Clark Kent27]

I thought that was a pretty interesting scene. The fact that there is no "Chloe Sulivan" heard ever in the future or in the Superman mythologey. Chloe was just an invented character on Smallville.

As sad as it sounds, since Chloe isn't supposed to have anything to do with the Superman mytholgey as far as Smallville is concerned with Clark's destiny, her character may have to be killed off by the time the series ends. As long as it will be until the series will end.

After all, the Legion confirmed (only in Smallville) that Chloe's death is what inspires Clark to fly. So we know she will die sometime.

[Black Panda]

After all, the Legion confirmed (only in Smallville) that Chloe's death is what inspires Clark to fly. So we know she will die sometime.
Yeah, about that. If that piece, and dozens upon dozens of others, can be different on Smallville, why not the quirk about the name change?


The fact that there is no "Chloe Sulivan" heard ever in the future or in the Superman mythologey.
This is the prequel to a comic book series you have never read. You've never seen Smallville's future. Never. It takes place in present day. It is not the current comic books past. All you've been told is that the Smallville's future history doesn't mention Chloe. Characters get added into cannon all the time. Future history should logically mention Chloe, especially if she died some noble sacrificing death, unless something strange is afoot.

[ginnyfan]

The baseball, IMO, is proof that the timeline never changed. In the future the Legion comes from, the baseball is known about but never found. We know why it was never found. Clark gave the ball to Garth who then took it to the 31st century with him. For 1000 years it doesn't exist in time to be found.

If the baseball always goes into the future that means the Legion always came back and helped Clark to defeat Brainiac. The crystal was always destroyed before it could be used. But history records that the crystal was used while at the same time losing the name of the person Brainiac possessed.

If history says the crystal was used when it wasn't that means someone had to lie to the historians. There are only three people who even know Brainiac possessed someone, Clark, Lana and Chloe. There's only one person in the present who knows the crystal was supposed to extract Brainiac, Clark. It all suggests that Clark lies about how Brainiac was defeated and leaves Chloe's name out of it on purpose.

The question is, why does Clark want history to get the story wrong and why does he want Chloe to be forgotten?

Hmm... Great post.

Maybe Clark knows that the Legion can't know how it happened. The Legion has to think that the crystal destroyed Brainiac when they go back in time. If he tells the truth of how Brainiac was removed, it will change time for the Legion BEFORE they go back in time. Just as people in the future somehow know about the baseball Clark hit without knowing he gave it away to a teenage time traveler.

As far as Chloe's identity goes, time will tell why Clark keeps mum about Chloe and why no one connects her to Superman/Clark Kent. For one thing, there are many years when Clark Kent is a Joe Shmo and Superman is the famous hero. Clark Kent's childhood friends will be unremarkable until Superman outs himself as Clark.

As far as records go, what hard evidence is there that Clark and Chloe know each other past high school? There's no record of them working together at the DP. There's no record of them really since high school. There you could find Clark and Chloe in yearbooks and working at the Torch. Beyond that... there's no record.

It could be that when Clark was ready to out himself as Superman, Chloe requested not to be mentioned so the limelight wouldn't fall on her. It could be something as simple as that. For it's only when Clark and Superman are known as the same person, that his childhood associations would be revered and preserved in museums etc.

I'm not saying it won't be some dramatic attempt on Clark's part to protect his alias bearing baby mama. But now that I think it over, it doesn't have to be as dramatic as I originally thought. :D

We'll see.

[Vindellavon]

Hmm... Great post.

Maybe Clark knows that the Legion can't know how it happened. The Legion has to think that the crystal destroyed Brainiac when they go back in time. If he tells the truth of how Brainiac was removed, it will change time for the Legion BEFORE they go back in time. Just as people in the future somehow know about the baseball Clark hit without knowing he gave it away to a teenage time traveler.

As far as Chloe's identity goes, time will tell why Clark keeps mum about Chloe and why no one connects her to Superman/Clark Kent. For one thing, there are many years when Clark Kent is a Joe Shmo and Superman is the famous hero. Clark Kent's childhood friends will be unremarkable until Superman outs himself as Clark.

As far as records go, what hard evidence is there that Clark and Chloe know each other past high school? There's no record of them working together at the DP. There's no record of them really since high school. There you could find Clark and Chloe in yearbooks and working at the Torch. Beyond that... there's no record.

It could be that when Clark was ready to out himself as Superman, Chloe requested not to be mentioned so the limelight wouldn't fall on her. It could be something as simple as that. For it's only when Clark and Superman are known as the same person, that his childhood associations would be revered and preserved in museums etc.

I'm not saying it won't be some dramatic attempt on Clark's part to protect his alias bearing baby mama. But now that I think it over, it doesn't have to be as dramatic as I originally thought. :D

We'll see.


Nice theory, and I see where you're going with this one.

[mizchloe]

wouldn't she be chloe olsen??

[ginnyfan]

She kept her name. She's still Chloe Sullivan.

[SGuthrie27]

I don't know what to think about that quote from "Legion," but it was really ominous. I'd still like to think that it's simply a matter of her being protected by Clark in the future or going by a pseudonym... anything to keep Chloe from having to die, even if it is as some "noble sacrifice," though her comments to Clark at the end of the episode sure seem to feel like some heavy foreshadowing...

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[Pantalaimon]

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced this question is part of the Brainiac and memory loss plot. I'm excited!

However, another question is how will a possible season 9 affect this story?

[Black Panda]

However, another question is how will a possible season 9 affect this story?
Poorly. Just as season 9 is likely to affect any story. Season 9 means more stalling, more regression, more shipper baiting.

The story has currently has lots of momentum for Chloe to take her life and her place back, they have emphasized how important she is in the story of Smallville repeatedly by the SWF, the bad guy trying to unmake the Chlark partnership and overwrite her memories, they have rejected the notion that the good guy should wipe her history of partnership away, they have pointed out in Legion that something very significant must occur for her not to feature large in the future. The time to cut the baiting is now. This is the time to move forward on this story or flounder in more teases about if Chloe will be supplanted by another girl. How many years of teases do we need? Personally, I could have done with about 3 less.