TV Ratings for Legion

[ClarkyBoy14]

Post/discuss/predict Nielsen ratings for "Legion" here.

I'm going to say between 3.91-4.10 million viewers for right now.

In the pros we have:
- Several comic book characters including the first ever live action appearances of the Legion of Super-Heroes and the Persuader and the returns of Brainiac and Doomsday.
- It's writtten by popular comic book writer Geoff Johns.
- The CW actually did a decent job of promoting the episode.
- CBS is airing a repeat of CSI.

However, in the cons we have:
- There hasn't been a new episode for eight weeks.
- Bones also premieres Thursday, bringing some heavier competish.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

However, in the cons we have:
- There hasn't been a new episode for eight weeks.


How can that be a con? And if its a con then is also has to be a pro.

This has got to top all previous ratings so far this season.

[Jaderoyale]

I am hoping it stays within the 4mil ratings.
This episode deserves a high rating IMO.

[skylar]

I love Bones too.. but I will be watching Legion so the rating will stay higher than Bones.

[ClarkyBoy14]

How can that be a con? And if its a con then is also has to be a pro.

This has got to top all previous ratings so far this season.

Ratings usually dip when the show's been in repeats for awhile. Usually, the only exception is for a season premiere.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Ratings usually dip when the show's been in repeats for awhile. Usually, the only exception is for a season premiere.

I know. But this isn't your usual 'show in repeat' is it, so people have to be busting the gut to watch this one.

I don't know about everybody else but im nearly as hyped up about it as a premiere.:)

[ClarkyBoy14]

I know. But this isn't your usual 'show in repeat' is it, so people have to be busting the gut to watch this one.

I don't know about everybody else but im nearly as hyped up about it as a premiere.:)

Yah. I think they usually dip because people forget/lose interest, but I hope this episode's plot is exciting enough that a lot of people will come back from the break and watch. :)

[bizzaroboy9]

well i believe it could get 6 millions or so because this episode was promoted heavily online with various websites and it has been featured in Tv Guide mag. and other mag. Also The CW promoted it well. We have the loyal fans who watch it daily and thern legion's fans also john geoff's fan. put that together which equal 6 millions

[skylar]

well i believe it could get 6 millions or so because this episode was promoted heavily online with various websites and it has been featured in Tv Guide mag. and other mag. Also The CW promoted it well. We have the loyal fans who watch it daily and thern legion's fans also john geoff's fan. put that together which equal 6 millions

6 million would nice but I see it being around 4.2 million

[tyson08]

The repeat of 'Bride' last week got 2.5 million or something, which means people are interested. I think this episode should bring in comic buffs and the usual Smallville army. I think it should at least be somewhere in the 4 millions.

[Jaderoyale]

However, in the cons we have:
- There hasn't been a new episode for eight weeks.
- Bones also premieres tonight, bringing some heavier competish.

Tonight or tomorrow?
Its Wednesday right now ;)

[superhippie2000]

airs tommorow.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Tonight or tomorrow?
Its Wednesday right now ;)

Oops! I guess my anticipation for new Smallville messed with my memory. :p

[rconner]

Post/discuss/predict Nielsen ratings for "Legion" here.

I'm going to say between 3.91-4.10 million viewers for right now.

In the pros we have:
- Several comic book characters including the first ever live action appearances of the Legion of Super-Heroes and the Persuader and the returns of Brainiac and Doomsday.
- It's writtten by popular comic book writer Geoff Johns.
- The CW actually did a decent job of promoting the episode.
- CBS is airing a repeat of CSI.

However, in the cons we have:
- There hasn't been a new episode for eight weeks.
- Bones also premieres Thursday, bringing some heavier competish.

Did I hear something about the President farewell address? I better not come home, and find him on Tivo instead of Smallville!!!

[6-Super-Man -5]

5 million for sure.

[Tompouce]

I know. But this isn't your usual 'show in repeat' is it, so people have to be busting the gut to watch this one.

I don't know about everybody else but im nearly as hyped up about it as a premiere.:)
I think it is the case for MANY people:)I have a song in mind I can't stop I am sure it is because of tomorrow (friday for me but I like thursday night when everybody is excited) it is "I feel like dancing, dancing..."...:D

[ClarkyBoy14]

Did I hear something about the President farewell address? I better not come home, and find him on Tivo instead of Smallville!!!

The request only went out to the Big Four (NBC, ABC, FOX, CBS), and if it airs, it will likely be at 9:00 EST.

[krpto]

im guessing 5.4 mill

[luvinChlark]

well i believe it could get 6 millions or so because this episode was promoted heavily online with various websites and it has been featured in Tv Guide mag. and other mag. Also The CW promoted it well. We have the loyal fans who watch it daily and thern legion's fans also john geoff's fan. put that together which equal 6 millions

That would be awesome if it reached 6 million. But I'm thinking 4.6. Also I'll take your word for the CW promoting Legion because I watched Privileged last night, not one commercial for smallville. I'm thinking about watching CW tonight for that new show Fear is Real just to see if there are any commercials for SV. ;)

[alejandrita439]

i think maybe between 4.0-5.0 million

[ColdPlay3r]

4.00-4.35m

[ClarkyBoy14]

That would be awesome if it reached 6 million. But I'm thinking 4.6. Also I'll take your word for the CW promoting Legion because I watched Privileged last night, not one commercial for smallville. I'm thinking about watching CW tonight for that new show Fear is Real just to see if there are any commercials for SV. ;)

I watched (well, didn't watch, but recorded and fast-forwarded through them) 90210 and Privileged and I saw a promo during 90210 and a short one during Privileged (most of that one was covered up by an advertisement from my local CW affiliate, though), and I saw some on-screen reminders. That's basically how it was during GG/OTH :)

I hope enough people saw them.

Also, it seems like Smallville has been getting a nice amount of media attention for this episode. TV Guide, NY Times and NY Post have all had articles. I've also seen mentions in magazines like Wizard and the sort.

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

I can guarantee it will get a lot of new viewers and it will probably be the highest rated S8 episode.

[luvinChlark]

I watched (well, didn't watch, but recorded and fast-forwarded through them) 90210 and Privileged and I saw a promo during 90210 and a short one during Privileged (most of that one was covered up by an advertisement from my local CW affiliate, though), and I saw some on-screen reminders. That's basically how it was during GG/OTH :)

I hope enough people saw them.

Also, it seems like Smallville has been getting a nice amount of media attention for this episode. TV Guide, NY Times and NY Post have all had articles. I've also seen mentions in magazines like Wizard and the sort.

Oh ok that's good then. :) ( Hm, I must have missed it during Privileged weird. :lol: ) Wow, love all the media attention Legion's getting. I'm sure it's bound to peak some interests then. ;)

[ClarkyBoy14]

The request only went out to the Big Four (NBC, ABC, FOX, CBS), and if it airs, it will likely be at 9:00 EST.

I was wrong on the time, but isn't this awesome?!


[01.13.09 - 06:05 PM]
NETWORKS CONFIRM BUSH ADDRESS PLANS FOR THURSDAY
By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- The major broadcast networks have confirmed their lineups for Thursday as each will carry President Bush's farewell addresses to the nation.

ABC, FOX and NBC have opted to join various repeat programming in progress while CBS will air its schedule in its entirety after the planned 15-minute speech.

Said disruption however will only affect the Eastern and Central time zones. Here's a breakdown of each networks' plans:

ABC - Thursday, January 15
8:00/7:00c - "Presidential Address"
8:15/7:15c - "Scrubs" (Repeat, Joined in Progress)*
8:30/7:30c - "Scrubs" (Repeat)
9:00/8:00c - "Grey's Anatomy"
10:00/9:00c - "Private Practice"

CBS - Thursday, January 15
8:00/7:00c - "Presidential Address"
8:15/7:15c - "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation" (Repeat)
9:15/8:15c - "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation"
10:15/9:15c - "Eleventh Hour"

FOX - Thursday, January 15
8:00/7:00c - "Presidential Address"
8:15/7:15c - "Kitchen Nightmares" (Repeat, Joined in Progress)*
9:00/8:00c - "Kitchen Nightmares" (Season Finale)

NBC - Thursday, January 15
8:00/7:00c - "Presidential Address"
8:15/7:15c - "My Name Is Earl" (Repeat, Joined in Progress)*
8:30/7:30c - "My Name Is Earl" (Special Time)
9:00/8:00c - "The Office"
9:30/8:30c - "30 Rock"
10:00/9:00c - "ER"

* Eastern/Central time zones only; Mountain/Pacific time zones will see the programs in their entirety beginning at 8:00 p.m. Pacific and 7:00 p.m. Mountain with the address airing live at 5:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m., respectively.

http://thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=7917

"Legion" will air against the President for fifteen minutes (at the most) in the ET and CT times, and then it will just have to face repeats of My Name Is Earl, Kitchen Nightmares, CSI and Scrubs. In the other half of the country, Smallville won't even have to face the President, just repeats.

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Oh ok that's good then. :) ( Hm, I must have missed it during Privileged weird. :lol: ) Wow, love all the media attention Legion's getting. I'm sure it's bound to peak some interests then. ;)

I really hope so. :)

[davidbrenton]

Hmmm...we need a major "Switch network" factor here. I hope it does well. My guess is 3.3 million. I really don't see this as a big episode despite all the hooplah.

Oops. I meant to say 4.3m. I forgot that this season is averaging in the 4m's and not the 3m's. Okay, my final estimate it to earn 4.2-4.3m.

[alejandrita439]

oww.. i hope the ratings higher than 4.3 :)

[ClarkyBoy14]

Hmmm...we need a major "Switch network" factor here. I hope it does well. My guess is 3.3 million. I really don't see this as a big episode despite all the hooplah.

"Switch network factor" as in people are watching something on one network and get bored with it so they switch over to Smallville? If that's what you mean, then I agree. That's my one worry with everything in the timeslot being a repeat. However, maybe people, after watching the President, will not want to watch a re-run and switch over to "Legion."

[Blue Orange NY]

I'm hoping people will turn out, TVO the Prez, let's get 4.9

[smallvillerocks45]

I'm thinking that if we maintain the typical loyal viewer ratings, we'll have 4 million plus viewers (probably 4.5 mil), but, due to the special comic book link (i.e. the Legion), and the slight hype that the show has received (a little more than usual, but no where near the level of GG or 90210, of course), I'd be happy and pleasantly surprised to see the show get 5 million viewers. That's my hope. I know we can do it!

[FlashInSV]

Although I am a fan of Bones, I had grown quite fond of "Smallville-Supernatural Thursdays" all this time. I AM STICKING WITH SMALLVILLE!!

I am hoping for 5 million, so the CW would keep it up for a S9. hahahaha

[sconte66]

Post/discuss/predict Nielsen ratings for "Legion" here.

I'm going to say between 3.91-4.10 million viewers for right now.

In the pros we have:
- Several comic book characters including the first ever live action appearances of the Legion of Super-Heroes and the Persuader and the returns of Brainiac and Doomsday.
- It's writtten by popular comic book writer Geoff Johns.
- The CW actually did a decent job of promoting the episode.
- CBS is airing a repeat of CSI.

However, in the cons we have:
- There hasn't been a new episode for eight weeks.
- Bones also premieres Thursday, bringing some heavier competish.


Actually, Bones is getting 2 new episodes on Jan 22 instead, so no Bones tonight...Thank God...I love both shows and now don't have to choose!

[skylar]

Thank God I won't miss SV tonight for some Pre. Bush speech. And I will get to see Bones next week 2 episode that good.

[latingirl]

I say 5.1 M

[alejandrita439]

i think it will be the highest rated episode of the season :)

[davidbrenton]

"Switch network factor" as in people are watching something on one network and get bored with it so they switch over to Smallville? If that's what you mean, then I agree. That's my one worry with everything in the timeslot being a repeat. However, maybe people, after watching the President, will not want to watch a re-run and switch over to "Legion."

Yeah, that was the concern. Because I think most people will watch the president thing, and we need something to make them want to switch channels. Hopefully, the fact everything is a repeat will do it.

[SparkleforSmallville]

It's so exciting! I'm guessing, 4.65 mil. I know "Legion" will get alot of viewers, just not sure if they will be Nielsen's watchers.

[davidbrenton]

It's so exciting! I'm guessing, 4.65 mil. I know "Legion" will get alot of viewers, just not sure if they will be Nielsen's watchers.

I know. They really need to upgrade the television ratings system. I'm sure all the cable networks can more accurately report on what people actually watch, and what they record.

--The only way our watching counts is if we watch in on cw.com and/or download from itunes. It's bs.

[marcella]

I guess 4.55 million

[KSiteTV]

The repeat of "Bride" last week got 2.5 million? LOL. That was higher than this week's 90210. ;)

I say... 4.6 million. It's not huge but with the time it's been since the last episode it'll take a hit - but not as big as usual.

I would have expected higher considering the buzz around "Bride" but considering TV Guide isn't even running CW listings anymore some people might not realize that it is on.

I still think, as I said on the main page of the site, that good ratings are VERY important for this episode as far as the show's survival goes. The CW needs to make a decision SOON and they could not turn it down if the show pulls 5+ million viewers. Also, who knows - maybe they'll consider doing a Legion project (though it'd have to happen in the 21st century... considering SV can only afford one street, I can't imagine them doing the future)

[marcella]

Bride's repeat got more than 90210?
LOL

[doodie8808]

I SAY 4.5 BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE ME AND THIS DTV CONVERTER STUFF THE STATION IS OUT SO I CAN'T WATCH MY SHOWS I HOPE YOU GUYS WILL BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TONIGHT SO I CAN GET AN UPDATE! (sighs un happy)yhis is the only episode i was looking forward to until march when lois comes back!

[6-Super-Man -5]

4.85 million.

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

Bride's repeat got more than 90210?
LOL

Seriously? :lol: :lol:

[alejandrita439]

I would have expected higher considering the buzz around "Bride" but considering TV Guide isn't even running CW listings anymore some people might not realize that it is on.



why tv guide is not running CW listings anymore? :confused::confused:

[6-Super-Man -5]

Bride's repeat got more than 90210?
LOL

Is it hard to believe?

[monel49]

Prediction: 5.1 million and possibly 5.5.

[6-Super-Man -5]

why tv guide is not running CW listings anymore? :confused::confused:

Thats pretty surprising...

[badwolf]

Well, since Bones and every other show will not be on tonight. do to the "President's speech", I'm pretty sure that people will FLOCK to watch something other then a doofus talk about how he 'changed the united states'. So I expect 5.1 million maybe even more.

[6-Super-Man -5]

Well, since Bones and every other show will not be on tonight. do to the "President's speech", I'm pretty sure that people will FLOCK to watch something other then a doofus talk about how he 'changed the united states'. So I expect 5.1 million maybe even more.

Not sure about that, a lot of people are probably going to watch that.

[alejandrita439]

Not sure about that, a lot of people are probably going to watch that.

i hope not... :(

smallville needs high ratings for another season :)

[6-Super-Man -5]

i hope not... :(

smallville need high ratings for another season :)

I think another season is going to happen. :D

[melissan02]

I think another season is going to happen. :D

I waivered on that tonight though. :\ Not that watching one episode is going to give us a good indication one way or another, but, eh, I just don't know.:confused:
This episode at times seemed to point to Clark being on the precipuce of Superman, and at other times, he seemed more not-ready (if you will) to take that step.
It's a toss up right now w/ S9 IMO.

[hyped4lnc]

I say 4.4-4.5

[ClarkyBoy14]

I hope the freezing temps and the snow storms that a lot of the nation has been experiencing helped with keeping people inside so they could realize the important things in life--the recliner, a bowl of popcorn and Smallville. :p

I'm anxious to see the ratings tomorrow. I'm hoping they're good, but at the same time, I'm scared.

[KSiteTV]

I don't know if site traffic relates to ratings at all, but there were a lot more people on here the night of "Bride" than they were for "Legion." But who knows...

[6-Super-Man -5]

This episode was amazing, 5 million.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

Great episode my prediction somewhere around 4-4.5 mil.

[6-Super-Man -5]

Yeah, somewhere around there.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I don't know if site traffic relates to ratings at all, but there were a lot more people on here the night of "Bride" than they were for "Legion." But who knows...

Well, "Odyssey," "Identity" and "Bloodline" had more viewers than "Bride," so I think there's still a chance that "Legion" could have outperformed it in the Nielsens.

[Legendary Lois & Clark]

No way will Legion get 5 million or even 4.5. Not even the slightest chance. Maybe a tad over 3 million, if they are really lucky. As usual it will still probably be ranked dead last or next to last as has been the case for most of the last two seasons. Not meaning to be negative, just realistic. No point in getting our hopes up too high. Thursday night is an extremely tough night for TV ratings and almost all of the shows are having new episodes this week.

[6-Super-Man -5]

Well, "Odyssey," "Identity" and "Bloodline" had more viewers than "Bride," so I think there's still a chance that "Legion" could have outperformed it in the Nielsens.

Maybe... just maybe...

[ClarkyBoy14]

No way will Legion get 5 million or even 4.5. Not even the slightest chance. Maybe a tad over 3 million, if they are really lucky. As usual it will still probably be ranked dead last or next to last as has been the case for most of the last two seasons. Not meaning to be negative, just realistic. No point in getting our hopes up too high. Thursday night is an extremely tough night for TV ratings and almost all of the shows are having new episodes this week.

Doesn't really matter if Smallville comes in last against the other networks, because CW series always do. It just matters how it does against other CW series. :\

[bizzaroboy9]

No more negative!
Smallville always fare well in rating! Mark my words, it will do excellent in rating!

[6-Super-Man -5]

No more negative!
Smallville always fare well in rating! Mark my words, it will do excellent in rating!

Yup.

[davidbrenton]

The ratings are going to go down big time. If this episode brought them in, it will definitely be having them leaving in floods. The regression was exactly what fans feared in my opinion. There's not much hope in the writing for smallville based on the character regression we've seen.

[6-Super-Man -5]

The ratings are going to go down big time. If this episode brought them in, it will definitely be having them leaving in floods. The regression was exactly what fans feared in my opinion. There's not much hope in the writing for smallville based on the character regression we've seen.

You do know this is only half of the season?
And Season Nine will be awesome. ;)

[davidbrenton]

You do know this is only half of the season?
And Season Nine will be awesome. ;)

I hope so. Three steps forward, two steps back. I'm with it till the end.

[batfinx]

No way will Legion get 5 million or even 4.5. Not even the slightest chance. Maybe a tad over 3 million, if they are really lucky.

I think a lot of factors can contribute to give it good ratings. The networks carried the prez's farewell thing and that made delays. Smallville would be the only game in town for some people and add to that the fact that it also got a lot of publicity, TV Guide, NY Post, NY Times, interviews, it should do really well. Maybe not 5 million, but wouldn't that be cool? Don't be so negative. Remember if Smallville gets low ratings Osterof might see that as an excuse to end it this year.

[skylar]

Like I said before it aired it will be around 4.2 million

[DGirlLois4Clark]

I hope it does well. I want my season 9.lol. :)

[costas22]

I think skylar's estimation is close to what we might get.I hope the Bush speech didn't affect the rating.Between Lois' absence and the long breaks i think we have seen Smallville's season 8 hit it's rating peak with Bloodline.4,2 will be very good.

[SupermanRox]

I have no idea but I think it will do well.

[JAMHEXXX]

Early numbers for Legion.

Smallville on the CW (3.0/ 5 from 8-9 p.m.)


Supernatural on the CW (#5: 2.1/ 3)

[costas22]

3.0 sounds good at first.But lets not hold our breath.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Early numbers for Legion.

Smallville on the CW (3.0/ 5 from 8-9 p.m.)


Supernatural on the CW (#5: 2.1/ 3)

Do you have the overnights from previous episodes for comparison?

Btw, thanks for posting these!


The ratings are going to go down big time. If this episode brought them in, it will definitely be having them leaving in floods. The regression was exactly what fans feared in my opinion. There's not much hope in the writing for smallville based on the character regression we've seen.

There really wasn't any regression. :\

[marcella]

I'm afraid regarding next episode's ratings,because will be against a two hour Bones episode

[JAMHEXXX]

I'm afraid regarding next episode's ratings,because will be against a two hour Bones episode


One episode at a time, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Besides, what does Bones being Two hours have to do with anything? Smallville is still just One hour.

[tyson08]

I'm guessing it'll be around 4.2-4.4 with those numbers. :/

[marcella]

One episode at a time, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Besides, what does Bones being Two hours have to do with anything? Smallville is still just One hour.


Now SV is going against Bones,that's what I meant.Another show to confront

[halvor311]

The ratings are going to go down big time. If this episode brought them in, it will definitely be having them leaving in floods. The regression was exactly what fans feared in my opinion. There's not much hope in the writing for smallville based on the character regression we've seen.

What do you mean character regression? I thought this episode was INCREDIBLE!!! I think after people talk about how awesome this episode was, people will tune in more. I think they'll be highest with the Linda Lake episode, though I'm not that educated in the ratings business.

[jimmyolsenblues]

ratings are not out yet...but i am keeping a close eye out for them :D

[ClarkyBoy14]

Fast nationals should be out within the next twenty minutes or so...

[costas22]

I know i am getting ahead of myself but since there was no game last night the finals will probably rise yes?

[ClarkyBoy14]

I forgot to do this...

Here's how the repeat of "Bride" ranked in total viewership on the CW for the week of Monday, January 6 - Sunday, January 11.

1. Gossip Girl - 2.96 million viewers
2. 90210 - 2.80
3. One Tree Hill - 2.66
4. 13: Fear Is Real (series premiere) - 2.40
5. Smallville (R) - 2.24
6. Supernatural (R) - 1.89
7. Privileged - 1.67
8. Everybody Hates Chris - 1.38
9. The Game - 1.37
10. Carrie (movie) - 1.33
11. 90210 (R) - 1.05
12. 13: Fear Is Real (R) - 0.87
13. Jericho (R) - 0.78

Wow, that's kinda pathetic. A repeat of Smallville can get more viewers than new episodes of Privileged, Everybody Hates Chris and The Game. It also came very close to the series premiere of 13: Fear Is Real.

Here's the season averages (in total viewers) for CW series. Repeats and recap shows are not counted, and the averages include episodes that have aired up to last week (so episodes that have aired this week haven't been factored in yet).

1. Smallville - 4.16 million viewers (10 episodes)
2. America's Next Top Model - 4.04 (12)
3. Supernatural - 3.32 (10)
4. Gossip Girl - 3.18 (14)
t. 90210 - 3.18 (12)
6. One Tree Hill - 3.10 (13)
7. 13: Fear Is Real - 2.40 (1)
8. Privileged - 1.96 (13)
9. Everybody Hates Chris - 1.73 (11)
10. Stylista - 1.72 (8)
11. The Game - 1.69 (10)

Already, four series are averaging under two million. I expect 13: Fear Is Real to soon join that list as well.

[JAMHEXXX]

CW’s veteran Smallville rose to 4.27 million viewers (#4) and a 1.8/ 5 among adults 18-49 (#3t) from 8-9 p.m. -- its best performance this season.

Supernatural on the CW (Viewers: #5, 2.96 million; A18-49: #5, 1.2/ 3)

[SparkleforSmallville]

4.27 mil. Good for Smallville! Finally, Berman didn't slam it :)

[ClarkyBoy14]

4.27 million is good, best since "Bloodline." I'm not sure why he said best performance of the season, though, since three others did better. Maybe he means in terms of beating the competition.

It would be really cool if SV could go up in the finals.

Ouch for Supernatural.

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Finally, Berman didn't slam it :)

I know. That's a definate plus.

[Timester]

It's the best Smallville return, as far as I remember.

[marcella]

That's good:D

[SparkleforSmallville]

Maybe MB means compared to last year. I'll have to check what was on last year. i know the ratings started to drop in S7 after the new year.

Ha ha! Andrew, you and I posted at exactly the same time:p

[batfinx]

w00t, I was right :D That number should go up. I think what's disappointing is that it was up against reruns on every network.


Thursday 8-8:30 p.m.
CBS - Presidential Address/CSI (R)
Viewers: 11.56 million (#1), A18-49: 2.6/ 7 (#1)

NBC – Presidential Address/My Name is Earl (R)
Viewers: 7.18 million (#2), A18-49: 2.4/ 7 (#2)

ABC – Presidential Address Address/Scrubs (R)
Viewers: 6.63 million (#3), A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (#3)

Fox – Presidential Address/Kitchen Nightmares (R)
Viewers: 4.60 million (#4), A18-49: 1.7/ 5 (#5)

The first half hour is all reruns (R).


The 8:30 p.m. half-hour featured CBS’ CSI encore (Viewers: #1, 15.78 million; A18-49: #1, 3.7/10), another repeat of NBC’s My Name is Earl (Viewers: #2, 5.99 million; A18-49: #2, 2.4/ 6), another repeat of ABC’s Scrubs (Viewers: #3, 4.77 million; A18-49: #3, 1.8/ 5), and the remaining 30-minutes of the Kitchen Nightmares encore on Fox (Viewers: #5, 3.66 million; A18-49: #5, 1.5/ 4)

And the second half hour all reruns. In a way it's a little disappointing it couldn't hit 5 million with only reruns as competition, but in any case it did well.

[marcella]

It's much better than last year's return.Persona had less than 4 million

[Channelsurfer531]

Yay! Those are great numbers... do you think I'd be jumping the gun here then by buying tickets for this year's Comic-Con with the hopes of a Smallville panel for Season 9?? That would be awesome...

[geminis]

Best performance this season?! Yay! Would have liked even better numbers, but I'm not going to argue, even though, as was pointed out, it is technically incorrect. Best this year would have been more correct. And hooray for Supernatural, too. I'd forgotten about Helen Slater, she was an extra bonus.

I'm also loving the season averages. Wheee!!! Smallville is head and shoulders above Gossip Girl and 90210, who are ironically enough tied and also Supernatural has a better average than them. LOVE IT!!!

[tyson08]

I predicted correctly! :)

[JAMHEXXX]

[QUOTE=ClarkyBoy14;4337934]4.27 million is good, best since "Bloodline." I'm not sure why he said best performance of the season, though, since three others did better. Maybe he means in terms of beating the competition.


I think he means the Demo numbers. Not overall viewers.

Finals will go up.

[costas22]

I asked it earlier because i am not from the US and i don't know how the ratings work.Sinnce there was no game yesterday will the finals go up?Will the Bush speech have an affect?

[JAMHEXXX]

I predicted correctly! :)

Uhhhhh..... you picked somewhere in the 4 millions. Not a very specific guess.

[tyson08]

[quote]

I think he means the Demo numbers. Not overall viewers.

Finals will go up.

Really? When do the finals come out?

[ClarkyBoy14]

It's the best Smallville return, as far as I remember.

I'm pretty sure it's the first time that a winter premiere has risen from its fall finale.

For comparative purposes, here are the numbers for last year's return:

"Persona"
Viewers: 3.81 million ("Legion" was up 460,000 viewers) /A18-49: 1.6/4 (+.2)

and last year's eleventh episode:

"Siren"
Viewers: 4.01 (+260,000)/A18-49: 1.8/6 (same)


Ha ha! Andrew, you and I posted at exactly the same time:p

That's cool. :) We were both super-excited about the ratings. :p

[tyson08]

Uhhhhh..... you picked somewhere in the 4 millions. Not a very specific guess.


I'm guessing it'll be around 4.2-4.4 with those numbers. :/

You must not have spotted that. ;)

[ClarkyBoy14]

Really? When do the finals come out?

Probably 5 or 6 PM EST.

[SparkleforSmallville]

yeah, Persona aired on 1/31/08 after the Winter hiatus. it's Final was 3.81mil. We blamed it on the Writer's Strike :lol:

So at 4.27mil. "Legion" did better, probably what Marc Berman meant.
Hope the Final goes up :)

[Clana Kent]

Probably 5 or 6 PM EST.

And how many hours from now would that be? :o

[tyson08]

And how many hours from now would that be? :o

4-5 hours. :)

[costas22]

Notice something?In the previous episode ratings they always compared them to last season emphasizing that the show was losing viewers.Now for a strange reason they made no comparisons at all.Legion was always going to get good ratings.Bulletproof will have a tough act to follow.I hope the presence of MM will help.

[marcella]

5 or 6 hours,I think

[SparkleforSmallville]

I predicted correctly! :)

You were alot closer than I was :)

[geminis]

And how many hours from now would that be? :o

To answer your question, 4 or 5 hours. :)

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4-5 hours. :)

Oops, you beat me. :o Forgive the blind. :lol:

[psyko69]

Damn solid ratings.

That's a big improvement.

Bulletproof should be even higher with such as strong return. And it has MM in it.

I'd be willing to bet some Greenbacks (even though I'm in Canada) that we'll get a season 9. The CW would be unable to justify its survival if Tom re-signs but the cancel anyways. With ratings like this, they are very likely to give him whatever he wants.

And I'd love to see the legion again in season 9!!!

[tyson08]

You were alot closer than I was :)

You never know, imagine if it went up. I'd like for it to match you guess, 4.65 would have been kick ass.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Notice something?In the previous episode ratings they always compared them to last season emphasizing that the show was losing viewers.Now for a strange reason they made no comparisons at all.Legion was always going to get good ratings.Bulletproof will have a tough act to follow.I hope the presence of MM will help.

I guess, Berman just couldn't be that complimentary LOL!
I'm surprised we got what we did.
I think MM's presence will definitely help!

[geminis]

Notice something?In the previous episode ratings they always compared them to last season emphasizing that the show was losing viewers.Now for a strange reason they made no comparisons at all.Legion was always going to get good ratings.Bulletproof will have a tough act to follow.I hope the presence of MM will help.

You are so right, and very good observation! As a MM fan, for Bulletproof's sake, I hope so too.

[FlashInSV]

any news on ratings yet?

[Timester]

Notice something?In the previous episode ratings they always compared them to last season emphasizing that the show was losing viewers.Now for a strange reason they made no comparisons at all.Legion was always going to get good ratings.Bulletproof will have a tough act to follow.I hope the presence of MM will help.

It has Dan Turpin and Dr. Hamilton. More than enough to help.

[JAMHEXXX]

You must not have spotted that. ;)

No, I spotted your initial prediction of "somewhere in the 4 millions".

After seeing the early numbers and saying 4.2-4.4 is not a prediction.

[Clana Kent]

Thanks everyone for answering my question :lol:
That's a long wait :( it would be 11 or 12 o'clock in my country by that time :D) I'll read al about it tomorrow :D
I hope it has very high ratings!

[davidbrenton]

Damn solid ratings.

That's a big improvement.

Bulletproof should be even higher with such as strong return. And it has MM in it.

I'd be willing to bet some Greenbacks (even though I'm in Canada) that we'll get a season 9. The CW would be unable to justify its survival if Tom re-signs but the cancel anyways. With ratings like this, they are very likely to give him whatever he wants.

And I'd love to see the legion again in season 9!!!

I guessed 4.10 (So, they did better than I expected). I think ratings will start going down next week. I'm a prophet of doom.

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Good news. Snippet from zap2it.com regarding smallville beating out fox last night:

"The CW drew a 2.6/4 (and led FOX by a little in total viewers) with 'Smallville.'"

[suzieQ]

I guess people tuned in........Lana didn't hurt the ratings as much as others bemoaned!

[Kreukie]

I guess people tuned in........Lana didn't hurt the ratings as much as others bemoaned!

What?! Lana didn't hurt the ratings?! Not possible! :rotfl:

[JAMHEXXX]

What?! Lana didn't hurt the ratings?! Not possible! :rotfl:

Give me a break, Legion brought in the ratings.

Next week Lana will bring the ratings down to Abyssmal levels.

[marcella]

Of course it didn't hurt,LOSH was coming to the show

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Give me a break, Legion brought in the ratings.

Next week Lana will bring the ratings down to Abyssmal levels.

I think it will happen too

[davidbrenton]

I guess people tuned in........Lana didn't hurt the ratings as much as others bemoaned!

NOBODY was concerned about the ratings for LEGION. It was every episode after we foresaw the ratings slide and YES because of Lana, her character history, and the impact on the character of Clark.

People are sick of it.

[Kreukie]

Next week Lana will bring the ratings down to Abyssmal levels.

I'll remember this quote. *prints it out*

FYI, never said Lana was the one that brought in the ratings for this episode, just poking fun at people who love saying Lana is the end all of Smallville. :lol:

Even though ratings in the past have never proven that theory. :rotfl:

[ClarkyBoy14]

Maybe a tad over 3 million, if they are really lucky.

I guess they were really, really lucky. 1.27 million is slightly more than a tad. ;) :D

[marcella]

I hope that next few episodes have great ratings,but I don't have them so high

[davidbrenton]

I'll remember this quote. *prints it out*

FYI, never said Lana was the one that brought in the ratings for this episode, just poking fun at people who love saying Lana is the end all of Smallville. :lol:

Even though ratings in the past have never proven that theory. :rotfl:

People began exiting in season 6 & 7, a time which most felt the lana card was overly used and her character should have made an exit.

You cannot prove that Lana's character arcs were responsible for the ratings decline, but you can't prove it wasn't. It's not just Lana, it is the writing around her as if she's the end-all-be-all when we all know she is not.

[ClarkyBoy14]

You were alot closer than I was :)

I'm glad I was wrong (3.91-4.10). :)

[JAMHEXXX]

[QUOTE]
Even though ratings in the past have never proven that theory. :rotfl:


I suggest you look at Season 7.:rolleyes:

[marcella]

Season 6 ratings dropped after Promise,that was,let me guess,a Lana heavy episode

[tbird4u]

I'll remember this quote. *prints it out*

FYI, never said Lana was the one that brought in the ratings for this episode, just poking fun at people who love saying Lana is the end all of Smallville. :lol:

Even though ratings in the past have never proven that theory. :rotfl:

Umm why do you think they are using Lois in the trailer?? They are bringing Clois fans back to watch it..ya know the ones who dont actually go to sites and know spoilers ;) Either way ratings will go down a little, not alot though!

[ClarkyBoy14]

Bulletproof should be even higher with such as strong return. And it has MM in it.

I think there will be a drop since this episode had the Legion and was hyped a lot, unlike "Bulletproof," but I agree the MM should help. As should the CW's kick-butt trailer.

[davidbrenton]

Season 6 ratings dropped after Promise,that was,let me guess,a Lana heavy episode

It was also the episode that let everyone know Clark & Lana were still a "go" even though she married Lex. Not even a marriage to a Luther could make the PTB call a spade a spade and move ON.

I fear this episode and the look at the end between Clark and Lana has the power to do the exact same thing that "Promise" did. Have people leaving in hoards. --Mainly, I mean the casual viewers who pop in because of good reviews about "Superman" and get more Clana.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Since this is the ratings thread, I couldn't wait till the Final:) {I'll just re-do it later}
Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.15 mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil.

#11 Legion ~ 4.27 mil.(not the Final rating)

[marcella]

Waiting for the finals

[davidbrenton]

The average rating for season 8 YTD is 4.165 (with "not-final rating for ep 11)

Abyss and the football games really hurt us.

[Karafan1]

Atleast it hit higher ratings than Dawn's baby, 90210..

[SparkleforSmallville]

Yeah, but CW has to be happy with "Legion's" ratings,
and they know some of the Episodes were pre-empted.

They would be CRAZY not to give us a S9.

[davidbrenton]

Thank god this show is on the CW. It's because it's on this type of network where the ratings it gets are good. It can actually capture all of it's niche audience and do well because of it. I hope the CW isn't cataclismically stupid by taking it off the air.

[Timester]

I'm not concerned about next week's ratings, I'm concerned about Power ratings thought.

[tbird4u]

If it was a network like abc, I could definitly see it getting higher ratings though, cause they promote more and I believe everyone can get abc when they cant get the cw

[Kreukie]

People began exiting in season 6 & 7, a time which most felt the lana card was overly used and her character should have made an exit.



But that's an opinion, this season's numbers over-all aren't higher then past seasons of Smallville.... Just compare them.

So for anyone to say people are returning to this series because Lana is gone or that Lana brings down the show and makes people tune away isn't true.

Let's just compare the numbers of season 6 and 7 vs. this season's:

season6

1. Zod - 3.8/ 6; Viewers: 5.0 million; A18-49: 2.2/ 6 MORE
2. Sneeze - 3.6/ 6; Viewers: 4.6 million; A18-49: 2.0/ 6 MORE
3. Wither-3.6/ 6; Viewers: 4.9 million; A18-49: 2.2/ 6 MORE
4. Arrow - 3.5/ 5; Viewers: 4.7 million; A18-49: 2.0/ 5 MORE
5. Reunion - 3.7/ 6; Viewers: 4.8 million; A18-49 2.2/ 6 MORE
6. Fallout - 3.5/ 5; Viewers: 4.9 million; A18-49: 2.1/ 5 MORE
7. Rage - 3.5/5; Viewers 4.5 million; A18-49 1.9/ 5 MORE
8. Static - 3.6/6; Viewers 4.8 million MORE
9. Subterranean - 3.3/5; Viewers: 4.3 million; MORE
10. Hydro - 3.6/5; Viewers: 4.6 million; A18-49 2.0/5 MORE

season7
1. Bizzaro- 3.6/6; Viewers: 5.1 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 MORE
2. Kara- Viewers: 4.6 million; A18-49: 1.8/ 5 MORE
3. Fierce - Viewers: 4.8 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 MORE
4. Cure- 3.4/5 - Viewers: 5.1 million; A18-49: 2.0/ 6 MORE
5. Action- Viewers: 4.7 million; A18-49: 1.8/ 4 MORE
6. Lara- Viewers: 4.3 million; A18-49: 1.8/5 MORE
7. Wrath - 3.5/5; Viewers: 4.6 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 MORE
8. Blue Viewers: 4.5 million; A18-49: 1.9/ 5 SAME
9. Gemini- Viewers: 3.8 million; A18-49: 1.5/ 4 MORE
10. Persona- Viewers: 3.8 million LESS

season8
1. Odyssey- 2.9/5; Viewers: 4.4 million; A18-49 1.8/6; A18-34: 1.8/6 LESS
2. Plastique- 2.8/4; Viewers: 4.1 million; A18-49 1.7/5; A18-34: 1.7/5 LESS
3. Toxic-2.7/4; Viewers: 4.0 million; A18-49: 1.6/ 4; A18-34: 1.4/4 LESS
4. Instinct- 2.9/ 5 (or 2.6/4); Viewers: 4.1 million; A18-49: 1.6/ 4; A18-34 1.5/5 LESS
5. Commitment- 2.8/ 5; Viewers: 4.2 million; A18-49: 1.7/ 5; A18-34: 1.7/6 LESS
6. Prey- 2.6/4 Viewers: 4.2 million; A18-49: 1.7/4; A18-34 1.7/5 LESS
7. Identity- Viewers: 4.2 million; A18-49 1.7/ 5; 18-34: 1.8/6 LESS
8. Bloodline- Viewers: 4.5 million; A18-49: 1.9/5; A 18-34: 1.9/6 SAME - KARA's Returns.
9. Abyss-2.8/ 4; Viewers: 3.6 million; A18-49: 1.4/ 4 LESS
10. Bride- Viewers: 4.2 million MORE

Again, NOT saying Lana brings ratings, but nothing above proves (like you said) that Smallville without her brings ratings UP. I mean, if you go by the Bride ratings, one can say Lana brings ratings up, but there were a lot things that factor into that episode that really helped. outside from Lana's return, Doomday, Chloe's wedding, Clois almost kiss...ect.

Now if you guys wanna blame Promise/Lana for the rating drop for season 6, also blame Cyborg for the rating drops in season 5:

15. Cyborg....Final Number 6.2 million Viewers.
16. Hypnotic...Final Number 4.8 million viewers.
17.Void...Final Number 4.2 million viewers.
18. Fragile......Final Number 3.9 million viewers
19. Mercy........ Final Number 4.4 million viewers
20 Fade........Final number 4.3 million viewers.
21 Oracle........Final number 4.8 million viewers

Rosetta for the rating drop in Season 2, the season never went back into the 8million mark after the episode, even though 10 episodes before it managed it:

Rosetta (2.17) (25/02/03) - 8.7 million viewers
Visitor (2.18) (15/04/03) - 5.9 million viewers
Precipice (2.19) (22/04/03) - 6.7 million viewers
Witness (2.20) (29/04/03) - 6.5 million viewers
Accelerate (2.21) (06/05/03) - 7.0 million viewers
Calling (2.22) (13/05/03) - 7.1 million viewers
Exodus (2.23) (20/05/03) - 7.5 million viewers

[marcella]

I hope CW isn't so idiot to cancel the show

[Timester]

If it was a network like abc, I could definitly see it getting higher ratings though, cause they promote more and I believe everyone can get abc when they cant get the cw

If it was a network like ABC, it would have been canceled long time ago, just like they did with L&C.

[JAMHEXXX]

The average rating for season 8 YTD is 4.165 (with "not-final rating for ep 11)

Abyss and the football games really hurt us.

Season 7 averaged 4.15 mil. and from here on out it never had an episode to reach 4 million.

If Season 8 stays above 4 million it will have better numbers than Season 7.

[Timester]

Again, NOT saying Lana brings ratings, but nothing above proves (like you said) that Smallville without her brings ratings UP. I mean, if you go by the Bride ratings, one can say Lana brings ratings up, but there were a lot things that factor into that episode that really helped. outside from Lana's return, Doomdays, Chloe's wedding, Clois almost kiss...ect.

Your maths kinda sucks or did you missed that the show lost 2 regulars and yet it keeps going up every single week despite of that?

[Kreukie]

If it was a network like ABC, it would have been canceled long time ago, just like they did with L&C.

Exactly, Smallville would had been canned around season season three or four if this series was on a different network. :lol:

[tbird4u]

^ Maybe, I dont really care, I just hope ratings stay up so they give us our final season 9

[6-Super-Man -5]

Rating is good, good enough for a Season Nine.

[JAMHEXXX]

Exactly, Smallville would had been canned around season season three or four if this series was on a different network. :lol:

You have no idea how many viewers Smallville would had have if it was on a larger network. Your statement is incorrect.

[Timester]

You have no idea how many viewers Smallville would had have if it was on a larger network. Your statement is incorrect.

That's not the problem. A larger network could easily kill Smallville, just like ABC did with L&C. They moved it to a sucky schedule first, then they started not showing all episodes and then, after they promised a 5th season, they cancelled the show, not even showing the last 3 episodes.

[davidbrenton]

C:\Documents and Settings\dking\My Documents\My Pictures\Smallville S6-8 Ratings.jpg

Darn. How do I post a graph?

[Kreukie]

Your maths kinda sucks or did you missed that the show lost 2 regulars and yet it keeps going up every single week despite of that?

Wait, so do I take away or add on two to count for Micheal and Kristin? :confused: :lol:

I guess my math does suck, because I wouldn't count this as the numbers going up every single week:

1. Odyssey- 2.9/5; Viewers: 4.4 million; A18-49 1.8/6; A18-34: 1.8/6
2. Plastique- 2.8/4; Viewers: 4.1 million; A18-49 1.7/5; A18-34: 1.7/5 DOWN
3. Toxic-2.7/4; Viewers: 4.0 million; A18-49: 1.6/ 4; A18-34: 1.4/4 DOWN
4. Instinct- 2.9/ 5 (or 2.6/4); Viewers: 4.1 million; A18-49: 1.6/ 4; A18-34 1.5/5 UP
5. Commitment- 2.8/ 5; Viewers: 4.2 million; A18-49: 1.7/ 5; A18-34: 1.7/6 SAME
6. Prey- 2.6/4 Viewers: 4.2 million; A18-49: 1.7/4; A18-34 1.7/5 SAME
7. Identity- Viewers: 4.2 million; A18-49 1.7/ 5; 18-34: 1.8/6 SAME
8. Bloodline- Viewers: 4.5 million; A18-49: 1.9/5; A 18-34: 1.9/6 UP
9. Abyss-2.8/ 4; Viewers: 3.6 million; A18-49: 1.4/ 4 DOWN
10. Bride- Viewers: 4.2 million UP

:confused:

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You have no idea how many viewers Smallville would had have if it was on a larger network. Your statement is incorrect.

No it's not... if it was on a different network it would be going up against series that are taken much more seriously then shows like Gossip Girl and 90210. :lol:

Have you seen the shows TheCW has lined up and compared it to other networks? :eek:

[JAMHEXXX]

C:\Documents and Settings\dking\My Documents\My Pictures\Smallville S6-8 Ratings.jpg

Darn. How do I post a graph?

Like this.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3495/3201397061_7ed7693c7a_o.jpg

[Timester]

Wait, so do I take away or add on two to count for Micheal and Kristin? :confused: :lol:

I guess my math does suck, because I wouldn't count this as the numbers going up every single week:

1. Odyssey- 2.9/5; Viewers: 4.4 million; A18-49 1.8/6; A18-34: 1.8/6
2. Plastique- 2.8/4; Viewers: 4.1 million; A18-49 1.7/5; A18-34: 1.7/5 DOWN
3. Toxic-2.7/4; Viewers: 4.0 million; A18-49: 1.6/ 4; A18-34: 1.4/4 DOWN
4. Instinct- 2.9/ 5 (or 2.6/4); Viewers: 4.1 million; A18-49: 1.6/ 4; A18-34 1.5/5 UP
5. Commitment- 2.8/ 5; Viewers: 4.2 million; A18-49: 1.7/ 5; A18-34: 1.7/6 SAME
6. Prey- 2.6/4 Viewers: 4.2 million; A18-49: 1.7/4; A18-34 1.7/5 SAME
7. Identity- Viewers: 4.2 million; A18-49 1.7/ 5; 18-34: 1.8/6 SAME
8. Bloodline- Viewers: 4.5 million; A18-49: 1.9/5; A 18-34: 1.9/6 UP
9. Abyss-2.8/ 4; Viewers: 3.6 million; A18-49: 1.4/ 4 DOWN
10. Bride- Viewers: 4.2 million UP

Because the numbers are incomplete. 4.21 is better than 4.20.

[suzieQ]

Thanks for the info Kreukie! One fact that is consistent in almost all of the last 3 seasons is that ratings start to plummet in the second half of the year. Good news is that this episode after the hiatus did well.

Nowadays people want to factor in the other numbers DVR or Live + 7 numbers. That makes the numbers go up and thus look more favorable. I have read that this does "not" hold as much value because of the way the advertising emphasis is on the live numbers. People tape and fast forward through commercials, therefore negating the value of the advertisement aspect. Some would disagree, I suppose.

[ClarkyBoy14]

If it was a network like ABC, it would have been canceled long time ago, just like they did with L&C.

Smallville could have ten million+ viewers with a broader reach and more advertisements, or it may not have brought in enough viewers to satisfy one of the Big Four.

We'll never know, though, so there's really no point in debating it.

[Timester]

Like this.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3495/3201397061_7ed7693c7a_o.jpg

Season 7 graph is scary. :eek:

[ClarkyBoy14]

I'm not concerned about next week's ratings, I'm concerned about Power ratings thought.

I think if "Bulletproof" is good, then it could bring people back for "Power." If it's not, then I see another dip w/ a rise for the final episode of the arc.

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Yeah, but CW has to be happy with "Legion's" ratings,
and they know some of the Episodes were pre-empted.

They would be CRAZY not to give us a S9.

The CW will be in a lot of trouble once SV ends, so they had better order a S9.

[Jaderoyale]

Rating is GOOD.

[DGirlLois4Clark]

I want my season 9, cw. please:D
Hope the ratings for next week is good too.

[Jaderoyale]

^^ I dunno. Not worried about next week. Definetly worried about Power though.

[halvor311]

I've heard that season 9 is practically a go, and that the only issue (actor availability of Tom Welling) has been basically resolved. I think a season 9 would be so awesome. Anyone think Chloe will die at the end of the series? btw what is MM?

[geminis]

I'm only going to say Tom's availability for season 9 is resolved for absolute certain sure when Craig posts it here and season 9 starts but I have to agree that it would be awesome. Despite some misgivings Chloe will not die imho. At least I hope not.

MM is Martian Manhunter aka J'onn J'onzz/John Jones.

I'm looking forward to the final numbers and the Live + 7 numbers (especially because we'll be seeing and discussing Bulletproof). Man that was a long, hard, and difficult hiatus.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3495/3201397061_7ed7693c7a_o.jpg

A gal could go cross-eyed studying that :eek:

But looking at season seven it really did tank didn't it? Started off strong, flew up for the appearance of Dean Cain as Curtis Knox, dipped at episode nine with Gemini (got a bit of a problem with our episode nines by the look of things... or is there a football game we clash with EVERY year?) and pulled up a tad with Siren. (interesting two years in a row we've come back with new Superheroes :))

It's all over the place. But season eight (apart from Abyss) is pretty steady in comparison. Be interesting to see this graph as the season continues!

If they renewed after an erratic season seven and they can get Tom for a season nine then I have to say if I was an exec looking at this graph I'd say season eight was more of a sure fire renewal for the CW than season seven going into eight was... JMO.

ETA: Hell of a difference in the Live+ this year. What did that?

[F..l]

4,27 is quite good ... I hope the final ratings grow up :) ....



Give me a break, Legion brought in the ratings.
Next week Lana will bring the ratings down to Abyssmal levels.

I think so ... ;)
btw: thanx for graph ;)

[biggkoz]

Im not sure the ratings are that great considering it got 8th place behind all reruns.

[kaam]

S8 is still suffering from the aftereffects of S7 debacle. It so clear how S7 started with such as potential and then bit the dust mid-season.

Thanks for the graph, JAMHEXXX.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Im not sure the ratings are that great considering it got 8th place behind all reruns.

As I said earlier, it doesn't matter how Smallville does against other networks, it matters how it does against other CW shows.

[Tompouce]

Thank you. Good news, yes !:D

[Fallen One]

4.27? Good ratings! That destroys any returning show for the CW.

[davidbrenton]

Im not sure the ratings are that great considering it got 8th place behind all reruns.

It actual beat fox in the second half hour.

[bizzaroboy9]

final #?

[Loisdragon]

compared to cw other ratings it's great

[Superman's Girl]

The rating for SV this season are great for the CW...season 9 should definitely be happening...IMO.

[joesmallville]

Final Rating is in.

Smallville
- 4.299 million viewers
- 2.6/4 HH
- 1.8/5 A18-49
- 1.8/5 A18-34

[tyson08]

Pretty much 4.3 that's great. I hope that it keeps going up from here.

Any way to find out how it did by the half-hours?

[Aries83]

not bad, thanks joesmallville :)

[Luiz Fernando]

Final ratings: Smallville new debut with 4.30 millions

Smallville
- 4.299 million viewers
- 2.6/4 HH
- 1.8/5 A18-49
- 1.8/5 A18-34
Supernatural
- 2.982 million viewers
- 1.8/3 HH
- 1.2/3 A18-49
- 1.3/3 A18-34

[jimmyolsenblues]

Opposite the Presidential Address, the CW’s veteran Smallville rose to 4.27 million viewers (#4) and a 1.8/ 5 among adults 18-49 (#3t) from 8-9 p.m. -- its best performance this season.
http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/489107381

bush should speak against smallville more often....
4.2 is a let down.....
i was hoping for at least 5 plus

[ledzepfan23]

i expected more viewers this episode. closer to 5 mil.

[marcella]

4.3 millions is good

[Aries83]

especially after a long break like this...Maybe The CW will learn something from scheduling the show like it has...

[Wicked Lois]

I think the ratings are good, specially for the cw. Smallville is by far the most watched show on the channel

[Timester]

especially after a long break like this...Maybe The CW will learn something from scheduling the show like it has...

It's the first time that a returning Smallville episodes ratings higher than the previous one.

[vyperman7]

Why do people continue to care so much about ratings? The CW has shown that the keep renewing Smallville regardless of ratings. As long as the show is still on the air and we continue to get new episodes, I could care less about them. The other thing I am always suprised by is the fact that people always seem suprised by the numbers when they happen. Smallville hasn't gotten truly high numbers since the beginning of S3. Since then, the ratings always range from the high 3's to low 5's.

[skylar]

4.3 is damn good. Not worried that it was behind other network as long as it beat out GG and 90210 I'm happy.

[geminis]

4.3 is damn good. Not worried that it was behind other network as long as it beat out GG and 90210 I'm happy.

Ditto. :D

[ClarkyBoy14]

4.30 is really good. I'm glad there was a rise in the finals.


Why do people continue to care so much about ratings? The CW has shown that the keep renewing Smallville regardless of ratings. As long as the show is still on the air and we continue to get new episodes, I could care less about them. The other thing I am always suprised by is the fact that people always seem suprised by the numbers when they happen. Smallville hasn't gotten truly high numbers since the beginning of S3. Since then, the ratings always range from the high 3's to low 5's.

I care because 1) numbers just interest me and 2) higher ratings improve the chances of Tom being offered more money to sign on for another season, which improves the chances of him signing. :)

[vyperman7]

I care because 1) numbers just interest me and 2) higher ratings improve the chances of Tom being offered more money to sign on for another season, which improves the chances of him signing. :)

Yeah but the CW has shown that they always renew Smallville regardless of the numbers. There are plenty of articles online that already talk about TW being in talks and apparently they are going well. I personally think that S8 should be the last season myself. If S9 happens, the only real purpose will be to pimp Clois. There was already a L&C tv show. I would rather have Clark learn to fly this season and get a definitive series finale that offers closure and gives a preview of the future. I mean, we will never get to see Superman, and there is only so much you can do before Clark has to become Superman.

[geminis]

Why do people continue to care so much about ratings? The CW has shown that the keep renewing Smallville regardless of ratings. As long as the show is still on the air and we continue to get new episodes, I could care less about them. The other thing I am always suprised by is the fact that people always seem suprised by the numbers when they happen. Smallville hasn't gotten truly high numbers since the beginning of S3. Since then, the ratings always range from the high 3's to low 5's.

People have to show their superiority and thumb their noses at the lesser masses. I'm just as guilty of that crime. :o As for the numbers, since ageism also exists, the fact that Smallville is still garnering some kind of rating is surprising for some. I think the CW might just be vaguely realizing that, despite Smallville's age, it is one of the few shows that is keeping the network afloat.

Ratings are one of the few truly objective ways to measure a show's popularity; it has some problems too, but is not as subjective as say, award nominations.

[josue_can]

Season 9 here we come!!!

[geminis]

Yeah but the CW has shown that they always renew Smallville regardless of the numbers. There are plenty of articles online that already talk about TW being in talks and apparently they are going well. I personally think that S8 should be the last season myself. If S9 happens, the only real purpose will be to pimp Clois. There was already a L&C tv show. I would rather have Clark learn to fly this season and get a definitive series finale that offers closure and gives a preview of the future. I mean, we will never get to see Superman, and there is only so much you can do before Clark has to become Superman.

Again, Smallville is arguably their top show, despite the powers that be's misconception that it isn't, so of course, they are going to renew. It won't last too much longer (sob) because people do eventually want to move on and do other projects and nigh on a decade is a very long time, but I don't think that season 9 will just be to pimp Clois; I'm sure there are a lot of other things to be explored, after all, the Superman and DC world is pretty rich. We'll see, though.

[mistaguitarmasta]

I had hoped for larger numbers, but hopefully after such an amazing episode as Legion, we'll see a spike in next week's numbers.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Yay! 4.30 mil. It went up!:)
Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.16 mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil.

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil.


I hope we get a Live+7, for Legion, in a couple of weeks.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Yeah but the CW has shown that they always renew Smallville regardless of the numbers. There are plenty of articles online that already talk about TW being in talks and apparently they are going well. I personally think that S8 should be the last season myself. If S9 happens, the only real purpose will be to pimp Clois. There was already a L&C tv show. I would rather have Clark learn to fly this season and get a definitive series finale that offers closure and gives a preview of the future. I mean, we will never get to see Superman, and there is only so much you can do before Clark has to become Superman.

I'm about to risk life, limb and K-Site access by having a different opinion from a Mod. Just remember how much I love your youtube work - k? :o

I follow the numbers cos I find them fascinating. I don't think there's anyone who doesn't think the CW will do whatever in hell the CW is gonna do. How do you still have a job Dawn Ostroff? If you were a doctor I'd take up alternative therapies for life. And surely they look at the numbers - if no-one else does the showrunners should imo. A trough like that at the ninth episode would be worrying to me if I were them. I'd want to know what's going on and I'd want to do something to improve it. Or are we saying the numbers don't matter and should be ignored by everyone?

I'm one of the ones who is up for a season nine. And here's where I go out on a limb - the whole LnC reference is getting old to me. Real old. A nineties TV show, and as cute as it is and as much as I enjoyed it at the time, it's a camp and dated one and nothing like Smallville. It didn't follow Clark through his formative years, it didn't have the characterization Smallville does and the dynamic between DC and TH was nothing like the one between TW and ED. Like it or not Clois is a big, big part of Superman lore. If we're saying it shouldn't be done cos it's been done before then let's say LnC shouldn't have been done cos there was a TV series with GR and NN. Or let's say there shouldn't have been a SR because there were all those CR movies. (tho they could have gone with that last rule as far as I'm concerned :p) Every generation has a Clark Kent and Lois Lane and Smallville has their's. Different storylines, a different 'meet' before we even got started, different tone, more villains, a slew of DC bad guys, the first ever Doomsday, different portrayals by TW and ED - and if they carry more bad guys and more storylines into a season nine and just happen to have more Lois and Clark in it, it's still Smallville's version and therefore not LnC.

So I respectfully disagree. :o Please don't ban me :(

[geminis]

Opposite the Presidential Address, the CW’s veteran Smallville rose to 4.27 million viewers (#4) and a 1.8/ 5 among adults 18-49 (#3t) from 8-9 p.m. -- its best performance this season.
http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/489107381

bush should speak against smallville more often....
4.2 is a let down.....
i was hoping for at least 5 plus

Amen! Except, fortunately, Bush is going bye-bye next week. Unfortunately, I wasn't counting on 5 plus. I had my suspicions and they turned out right.

[costas22]

I think that was as close as an episode will come to beating Bloodline.Except of course from the season finale.Despite that,fantastic rating.Lets hope Bulletproof stays above 4mil

[marcella]

I am interested in ratings because i have a curiosity about these numbers.It's really interesting

[6-Super-Man -5]

Cool, awesome enought to get Season Nine confirmed early.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Yeah but the CW has shown that they always renew Smallville regardless of the numbers. There are plenty of articles online that already talk about TW being in talks and apparently they are going well.

I still find the ratings trends interesting. :)


I'm about to risk life, limb and K-Site access by having a different opinion from a Mod. Just remember how much I love your youtube work - k? :o

I follow the numbers cos I find them fascinating. I don't think there's anyone who doesn't think the CW will do whatever in hell the CW is gonna do. How do you still have a job Dawn Ostroff? If you were a doctor I'd take up alternative therapies for life. And surely they look at the numbers - if no-one else does the showrunners should imo. A trough like that at the ninth episode would be worrying to me if I were them. I'd want to know what's going on and I'd want to do something to improve it. Or are we saying the numbers don't matter and should be ignored by everyone?

I'm one of the ones who is up for a season nine. And here's where I go out on a limb - the whole LnC reference is getting old to me. Real old. A nineties TV show, and as cute as it is and as much as I enjoyed it at the time, it's a camp and dated one and nothing like Smallville. It didn't follow Clark through his formative years, it didn't have the characterization Smallville does and the dynamic between DC and TH was nothing like the one between TW and ED. Like it or not Clois is a big, big part of Superman lore. If we're saying it shouldn't be done cos it's been done before then let's say LnC shouldn't have been done cos there was a TV series with GR and NN. Or let's say there shouldn't have been a SR because there were all those CR movies. (tho they could have gone with that last rule as far as I'm concerned :p) Every generation has a Clark Kent and Lois Lane and Smallville has their's. Different storylines, a different 'meet' before we even got started, different tone, more villains, a slew of DC bad guys, the first ever Doomsday, different portrayals by TW and ED - and if they carry more bad guys and more storylines into a season nine and just happen to have more Lois and Clark in it, it's still Smallville's version and therefore not LnC.

So I respectfully disagree. :o Please don't ban me :(

Nice post. I agree.

[geminis]

I'm about to risk life, limb and K-Site access by having a different opinion from a Mod. Just remember how much I love your youtube work - k? :o

I follow the numbers cos I find them fascinating. I don't think there's anyone who doesn't think the CW will do whatever in hell the CW is gonna do. How do you still have a job Dawn Ostroff? If you were a doctor I'd take up alternative therapies for life. And surely they look at the numbers - if no-one else does the showrunners should imo. A trough like that at the ninth episode would be worrying to me if I were them. I'd want to know what's going on and I'd want to do something to improve it. Or are we saying the numbers don't matter and should be ignored by everyone?

I'm one of the ones who is up for a season nine. And here's where I go out on a limb - the whole LnC reference is getting old to me. Real old. A nineties TV show, and as cute as it is and as much as I enjoyed it at the time, it's a camp and dated one and nothing like Smallville. It didn't follow Clark through his formative years, it didn't have the characterization Smallville does and the dynamic between DC and TH was nothing like the one between TW and ED. Like it or not Clois is a big, big part of Superman lore. If we're saying it shouldn't be done cos it's been done before then let's say LnC shouldn't have been done cos there was a TV series with GR and NN. Or let's say there shouldn't have been a SR because there were all those CR movies. (tho they could have gone with that last rule as far as I'm concerned :p) Every generation has a Clark Kent and Lois Lane and Smallville has their's. Different storylines, a different 'meet' before we even got started, different tone, more villains, a slew of DC bad guys, the first ever Doomsday, different portrayals by TW and ED - and if they carry more bad guys and more storylines into a season nine and just happen to have more Lois and Clark in it, it's still Smallville's version and therefore not LnC.

So I respectfully disagree. :o Please don't ban me :(

Annie, I don't think I've said it recently, but I love you. And it's not just the similar name thing either.

While I love L&C for what it is, you are exactly right, it is dated. You have to love a show for it's similarities and it's differences and allow for some change. The little things may change, but they also keep things alive and new and fresh. Look at Latin: no change = death. Smallville will NEVER be Lois and Clark; they are two completely different things despite their commonalities.

Despite my failures with math, the numbers are admittedly fascinating. Will they go up or down? People psychoanalyze and make determinations; it's like Wall Street for the media. Will Dawn keep her job? As my esteemed colleague has said, if she were a doctor, her patients would have one appointment, they would flee in terror, and she would be out of a job and denounced as a quack.

Plus, with the ratings, I can go naner naner to Dawn when Smallville trounces her fav shows.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

I still find the ratings trends interesting. :)

Nice post. I agree.

Me too - I thought that graph was fascinating a few pages back. And thanks :o


Annie, I don't think I've said it recently, but I love you. And it's not just the similar name thing either.

Aw thanks. I'm feeling the love :D


AnnieWhile I love L&C for what it is, you are exactly right, it is dated. You have to love a show for it's similarities and it's differences and allow for some change. The little things may change, but they also keep things alive and new and fresh. Look at Latin: no change = death. Smallville will NEVER be Lois and Clark; they are two completely different things despite their commonalities.

Yup. And look at it this way - if we never sought change or a retelling or different perspectives of stories that were already told then we would never have had the Batman franchise we've got now. Anyone wish that hadn't been done? No. Me neither.


Despite my failures with math, the numbers are admittedly fascinating. Will they go up or down? People psychoanalyze and make determinations; it's like Wall Street for the media. Will Dawn keep her job? As my esteemed colleague has said, if she were a doctor, her patients would have one appointment, they would flee in terror, and she would be out of a job and denounced as a quack.

I bolded part cos that's another big part of my fascination. In my work I live or die by the numbers. Sales figures are studied, focus groups are listened to, we get what we call rankings and how I'm editorialized is based on those figures. A plot or story that didn't work a couple of times and was reflected in the sales figures isn't used again because the readers have said it's not what they're looking for. And as I have pride in my work I take all of that into consideration. So to suggest that the numbers don't matter to the PS3 at the very least is incredible to me. Why stay in a job if you don't want to improve and be stretched and challenge yourself? They check in on fan opinion from time to time, would they do that if they didn't give a rats ass? Not that it changes too much but there are frequently shout outs on screen to what a particular fanbase has been saying so they do pay attention. All of that adds to my fascination with the ratings.

And to me, Season Eight is sailing a steadier course than season seven.

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Plus, with the ratings, I can go naner naner to Dawn when Smallville trounces her fav shows.

And there's the added bonus of that :p

[kaam]

Yay! 4.30 mil. It went up!:)
Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.15 mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil.

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil.


I hope we get a Live+7, for Legion, in a couple of weeks.

Great! Thanks for updating, sparkle. 4.30 is great! Pretty consistent

[fuchsiaRose]

I'm about to risk life, limb and K-Site access by having a different opinion from a Mod. Just remember how much I love your youtube work - k? :o

I follow the numbers cos I find them fascinating. I don't think there's anyone who doesn't think the CW will do whatever in hell the CW is gonna do. How do you still have a job Dawn Ostroff? If you were a doctor I'd take up alternative therapies for life. And surely they look at the numbers - if no-one else does the showrunners should imo. A trough like that at the ninth episode would be worrying to me if I were them. I'd want to know what's going on and I'd want to do something to improve it. Or are we saying the numbers don't matter and should be ignored by everyone?

I'm one of the ones who is up for a season nine. And here's where I go out on a limb - the whole LnC reference is getting old to me. Real old. A nineties TV show, and as cute as it is and as much as I enjoyed it at the time, it's a camp and dated one and nothing like Smallville. It didn't follow Clark through his formative years, it didn't have the characterization Smallville does and the dynamic between DC and TH was nothing like the one between TW and ED. Like it or not Clois is a big, big part of Superman lore. If we're saying it shouldn't be done cos it's been done before then let's say LnC shouldn't have been done cos there was a TV series with GR and NN. Or let's say there shouldn't have been a SR because there were all those CR movies. (tho they could have gone with that last rule as far as I'm concerned :p) Every generation has a Clark Kent and Lois Lane and Smallville has their's. Different storylines, a different 'meet' before we even got started, different tone, more villains, a slew of DC bad guys, the first ever Doomsday, different portrayals by TW and ED - and if they carry more bad guys and more storylines into a season nine and just happen to have more Lois and Clark in it, it's still Smallville's version and therefore not LnC.

So I respectfully disagree. :o Please don't ban me :(

Wow! Great post!!! *applauds* :D

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

No way will Legion get 5 million or even 4.5. Not even the slightest chance. Maybe a tad over 3 million, if they are really lucky. As usual it will still probably be ranked dead last or next to last as has been the case for most of the last two seasons. Not meaning to be negative, just realistic. No point in getting our hopes up too high. Thursday night is an extremely tough night for TV ratings and almost all of the shows are having new episodes this week.

Well... I guess some of us proved you wrong I said Legion would be between 4.0-4.5 mill in rating and others also did speculate. I don't wanna put it in your face but just confirming that SV still rocks baby! Even with a Clana factor! I'm happy!!!:D

[ClarkyBoy14]

Any way to find out how it did by the half-hours?

TVByTheNumbers.com has the preliminary half-hour breakdowns:

Time Net Show Viewers Live+SD (Millons) 18-49 Rating/ Share 18-34 Rating/ Share
8:00 CW Smallville 4.147 1.8/5 1.8/5
8:30 CW Smallville 4.398 1.9/5 1.9/5

[tyson08]

TVByTheNumbers.com has the preliminary half-hour breakdowns:

Time Net Show Viewers Live+SD (Millons) 18-49 Rating/ Share 18-34 Rating/ Share
8:00 CW Smallville 4.147 1.8/5 1.8/5
8:30 CW Smallville 4.398 1.9/5 1.9/5

Thanks, I guess it was pretty consisten then!

[alejandrita439]

so.. the ratings were good, werent they? :)

[halvor311]

TVByTheNumbers.com has the preliminary half-hour breakdowns:

Time Net Show Viewers Live+SD (Millons) 18-49 Rating/ Share 18-34 Rating/ Share
8:00 CW Smallville 4.147 1.8/5 1.8/5
8:30 CW Smallville 4.398 1.9/5 1.9/5

So wait, doesn't that mean that in the end we got almost 4.4 million viewers for this episode? That's pretty amazing. I think Season 9 is on a fast track to becoming a reality.

[smallvillerocks45]

I was so hoping we'd get five million - but 4.29 is still a good number, and fairly consistent in the whole scheme of things (plus, from what I've read it was still number one for the CW).

Overall, I can't say I'm disappointed. Due to the fact that the CW did a fairly poor job of advertising the show - aside from the small surge of online hype caused by the immediate comic book link - I didn't see many promos for this episode. Because of this lack of promotion, I am happy to see that Smallville performed as well as it did.

[F..l]

4,3 mil. ... It's not so bad,but I hoped for 4,5 ... :)
thanks for news guys ;)

[FlashInSV]

4.3 mil is great. I knew Legion would bring in viewers!

[6-Super-Man -5]

TVByTheNumbers.com has the preliminary half-hour breakdowns:

Time Net Show Viewers Live+SD (Millons) 18-49 Rating/ Share 18-34 Rating/ Share
8:00 CW Smallville 4.147 1.8/5 1.8/5
8:30 CW Smallville 4.398 1.9/5 1.9/5

Cool, it increased!

[Alicia Chipy]

There is hope for season 9 with these numbers!

[Wicked Lois]

They dont consider the ratings only... merchandising its pretty much what sells the show.

[Tompouce]

I have a question : does CW make money when other countries buy SV or other series ?
I wonder because I think there is the production and many others people involve so I really don't know how it works...

[shase]

I'm about to risk life, limb and K-Site access by having a different opinion from a Mod. Just remember how much I love your youtube work - k? :o

I follow the numbers cos I find them fascinating. I don't think there's anyone who doesn't think the CW will do whatever in hell the CW is gonna do. How do you still have a job Dawn Ostroff? If you were a doctor I'd take up alternative therapies for life. And surely they look at the numbers - if no-one else does the showrunners should imo. A trough like that at the ninth episode would be worrying to me if I were them. I'd want to know what's going on and I'd want to do something to improve it. Or are we saying the numbers don't matter and should be ignored by everyone?

I'm one of the ones who is up for a season nine. And here's where I go out on a limb - the whole LnC reference is getting old to me. Real old. A nineties TV show, and as cute as it is and as much as I enjoyed it at the time, it's a camp and dated one and nothing like Smallville. It didn't follow Clark through his formative years, it didn't have the characterization Smallville does and the dynamic between DC and TH was nothing like the one between TW and ED. Like it or not Clois is a big, big part of Superman lore. If we're saying it shouldn't be done cos it's been done before then let's say LnC shouldn't have been done cos there was a TV series with GR and NN. Or let's say there shouldn't have been a SR because there were all those CR movies. (tho they could have gone with that last rule as far as I'm concerned :p) Every generation has a Clark Kent and Lois Lane and Smallville has their's. Different storylines, a different 'meet' before we even got started, different tone, more villains, a slew of DC bad guys, the first ever Doomsday, different portrayals by TW and ED - and if they carry more bad guys and more storylines into a season nine and just happen to have more Lois and Clark in it, it's still Smallville's version and therefore not LnC.

So I respectfully disagree. :o Please don't ban me :(

Very well said

[kiariclois]

I thought Bride gets over 4.5 mil, no?

[Wicked Lois]

I have a question : does CW make money when other countries buy SV or other series ?
I wonder because I think there is the production and many others people involve so I really don't know how it works...

I think the WB does. I dunno if there's any difference... but if people buy dvds they get good money

[skully]

Seems the show now draws a stable 4 to 4.5 million US viewers. Surely this is money in the bank for Asstroff? She would be crazy not to give the show another season, given it is easily the network's no. 1 rater.

Knowing she is a girly shipper type, just crank up the Clois, and Asstroff will have her requirements of a teeny drama feel, and we will have our show for another season. :)

[Tompouce]

Thanks Clara:)

[SparkleforSmallville]

Seems the show now draws a stable 4 to 4.5 million US viewers. Surely this is money in the bank for Asstroff? She would be crazy not to give the show another season, given it is easily the network's no. 1 rater.

Knowing she is a girly shipper type, just crank up the Clois, and Asstroff will have her requirements of a teeny drama feel, and we will have our show for another season. :)

Besides the good ratings, Season 8's first 11 episodes have had 6 female guest Stars. That should appease Ostroff.
Black Canary, Plastique, Maxima, Kara, Lana, and Imra/Saturn Girl .

Hi skully! :)

[ClarkyBoy14]

This thread has some interesting data for "Legion."

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=239491

Not only do they have the final info that we already have, but they also have Smallville's rating in the A25-54 demo, 15-minute breakdown with HH and 18-49 ratings, and what percent of Smallville's audience was in the 18-49 y/o demo.

They say that having 45% and up of your audience consisting of 18-49 y/os is acceptable, and Smallville has over 69%--the only other programs that aired that night to do that are The Office, 30 Rock and the second Kitchen Nightmares.

[SparkleforSmallville]

This thread has some interesting data for "Legion."

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=239491

Not only do they have the final info that we already have, but they also have Smallville's rating in the A25-54 demo, 15-minute breakdown with HH and 18-49 ratings, and what percent of Smallville's audience was in the 18-49 y/o demo.

They say that having 45% and up of your audience consisting of 18-49 y/os is acceptable, and Smallville has over 69%--the only other programs that aired that night to do that are The Office, 30 Rock and the second Kitchen Nightmares.

I couldn't find the right thread:/ But I found this quote. "A new Smallville got a 4.3mil. rating..... And they want to cancel Smallville? It's their saving Grace!"

They are so right:)

[geminis]

This thread has some interesting data for "Legion."

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=239491

Not only do they have the final info that we already have, but they also have Smallville's rating in the A25-54 demo, 15-minute breakdown with HH and 18-49 ratings, and what percent of Smallville's audience was in the 18-49 y/o demo.

They say that having 45% and up of your audience consisting of 18-49 y/os is acceptable, and Smallville has over 69%--the only other programs that aired that night to do that are The Office, 30 Rock and the second Kitchen Nightmares.

Thanks for the info, especially when it is interesting and great news like this. :)

[wolverine316]

The problem with Dawn Ostroff is that in her mind CW should be driven by women viewers. Thus heavy advertisement for crap like 90210 and Gossip Girl. If she doesn't bring back Smallville and the CW goes in the tank, I hope she is blacklisted from the industry.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I couldn't find the right thread:/

Really? It should take you right there. :confused:


But I found this quote. "A new Smallville got a 4.3mil. rating..... And they want to cancel Smallville? It's their saving Grace!"

They are so right:)

That's great. I was also happy to see several posts on PIFeedback commenting on Smallville's good ratings. :)

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Thanks for the info, especially when it is interesting and great news like this. :)

No problem. Happy to share the good info. :)

[JAMHEXXX]

Final Numbers Graph:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3409/3208076861_202fabba65_o.jpg

Season 7 ratings average after Eleven episodes: 4.49 million
Season 8 ratings average after Eleven episodes: 4.17 million

[Routh]

Hah. Thanks JAMHEXXX.

Abyss is literally an abyss. :P

[alejandrita439]

hahahahahahah :lol: :lol: ^

[skully]

Hah. Thanks JAMHEXXX.

Abyss is literally an abyss. :P
Seems to be an episode 9 thing. How odd.

[LuckyLois]

I think Abyss did so poorly because it was prempted due to a football game on the east coast and was aired instead on Sunday at 6:00. Believe me I would have much rather watched SV, but the amazing CW stuck it in no-waresville. Alas, if she only had a brain!

[Jaderoyale]

Whoa i'm really happy with the ratings.
4.3mil is good. Especially as its come back after a hiatus, as i remember S7 went downhill after the hiatus straight away.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I wonder why last season had so many more viewers?

[Kid Collins]

I wonder why last season had so many more viewers?

I attribute higher ratings last season to Lana and Lex still in the show.

And last season had stiffer competition from the Fox Network. Last season SV was going against Are You Smarter than a Fifth Grader which had excellent ratings.

This season Fox Network is airing Kitchen Confidential opposite SV. And SV is actually getting higher ratings than that show.

So SV is actually lucky that the first half of the season they had Kitchen Confidential as their competition instead of AYSTA 5th Grader. Ratings would probably be even lower.

[jimmyolsenblues]

what a shame...i love lex too...but i would not stop watching the show just cause he left....

[Firebunny]

I wonder why last season had so many more viewers? It's an old show. That's what happens. People lose interest and move on to the shiney new shows.

Also, the show is catering more to comic book fans than ever before, and most people in this country aren't comic book fans.

[Timester]

Also, the show is catering more to comic book fans than ever before, and most people in this country aren't comic book fans.

Oddly you say that, because the "catering of the comic book fans" is working, considering the show being praised by everyone and its ratings being stable, something that doesn't happen since season 2.

I guess that there are more comic book fans than you thing, according to your logic.

[JAMHEXXX]

I wonder why last season had so many more viewers?

If the current ratings trend hold, Season 8 will start averaging more viewers then Season 7 in a week or two.

Season 7 didn't have an episode reach Four Million for the rest of the season.

[Kid Collins]

If the current ratings trend hold, Season 8 will start averaging more viewers then Season 7 in a week or two.

Season 7 didn't have an episode reach Four Million for the rest of the season.

Not so fast. The latter half of the season usually has the lowest ratings for the season.

Not only that, but Fox Network is moving Bones opposite SV starting next week.

Bones will be competition for this show.

[JAMHEXXX]

Not so fast. The latter half of the season usually has the lowest ratings for the season.

Not only that, but Fox Network is moving Bones opposite SV starting next week.

Bones will be competition for this show.

I am well aware of Bones moving to Thursdays. I also know about the annual rating dive, but so far this year is different from the past years.

The ratings have been rock solid this year besides Abyss and I expect for this trend to continue.

If Smallville averages 4.2 mil. an episode from here on out Season 8 will beat Season 7.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Really? It should take you right there. :confused:

You're right it's there! What is the matter with my brain! LOL

[Kid Collins]

I am well aware of Bones moving to Thursdays. I also know about the annual rating dive, but so far this year is different from the past years.

The ratings have been rock solid this year besides Abyss and I expect for this trend to continue.

If Smallville averages 4.2 mil. an episode from here on out Season 8 will beat Season 7.

I don't think your right. But time will tell.

[ClarkyBoy14]

You're right it's there! What is the matter with my brain! LOL

Good, glad you found it! :)

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I am well aware of Bones moving to Thursdays. I also know about the annual rating dive, but so far this year is different from the past years.

The ratings have been rock solid this year besides Abyss and I expect for this trend to continue.

If Smallville averages 4.2 mil. an episode from here on out Season 8 will beat Season 7.

I will be quite hard for Smallville to keep that up since things usually go south after the second break (which happens after just a few more episodes), but I hope things go differently this year too!

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I wonder why last season had so many more viewers?

1. Because last season SV didn't lose half of its cast and its producers.
2. Because the first half of the season didn't have to deal with the after effects of the writers' strike (which broadacast television is still suffering from).
3. Because Smallville isn't getting younger.

[Night-Wolf]

I really hope Smallville can get better ratings on the next episodes. Season 9 may depend on those ratings.
Can anyone tell me which was the lowest rated episode ever on Smallville and what was the score?

[ClarkyBoy14]

S6's "Prototype" at 3.43 million viewers. Last year's "Traveler" came close at 3.44.

[alejandrita439]

I really hope Smallville can get better ratings on the next episodes. Season 9 may depend on those ratings.
Can anyone tell me which was the lowest rated episode ever on Smallville and what was the score?


i hope that too :D:D

[Night-Wolf]

S6's "Prototype" at 3.43 million viewers. Last year's "Traveler" came close at 3.44.

Yikes :eek:
I never thought that season 6 had such low ratings! I know that many people started losing interest since that season but even still... Who would have thought at that time that a tv show in it's 6th season with poor ratings would keep going for more two seasons and now with much better ratings? Congratulations PS3 for the great work;)
I hope these numbers mean something when they decide to make a 9th season.