#2-11 "Chuck vs The Santa Claus"

[superhippie2000]

new episode tonight.

[STFanatic]

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Bad guys in the Buy More!!

The whole gang held hostage?
Plus, it is a Christmas episode :D

[DarkClone]

This episode is supposedly really good, according to those who have read the spoilers . . . I have not, but I'm excited for it!

[STFanatic]

This is great :lol:

I keep waiting for Chuck to say something like, "Let me hold the gun while you....."

[Superman's Princess]

So far it's been a pretty good episode.
I liked Chuck giving Sarah that special charm bracelet. So sweet.

[STFanatic]

WOW, will this change the way Chuck feels about Sarah?

[superhippie2000]

cant wait to see it tommorow. thank god for tivo :D so was it a good xmas episode?

[STFanatic]

Yes it was :D

[superhippie2000]

cool. i like xmas specials :D

[dunkman]

WOW, will this change the way Chuck feels about Sarah?

Chuck saw Sarah kill that guy, & then she lied to him about it! That's just how Bruce Wayne (Batman) felt when Diana (Wonder Woman) killed Maxwell Lord to protect Superman.

[Insight]

I never can quite get into this show, but I can't turn away from the romantic tension between Sarah and Chuck.

[closetclana]

Maybe I should start a new thread for this question but..

How is Chuck feeling?

Is he disgusted at Sarah because she murdered a man in cold blood? (didn't he see Sarah kill someone in his initial flash of her in the pilot episode?)

Is it that he truly understands what Sarah has to do to protect him for the first time?

Is he shocked because he realized that it was his own mistakes that caused Sarah to have to kill the man?

Do you think that Chuck thinks that Sarah's actions were justified and he is just shocked at the brutality of it or do you think that Chuck sees Sarah as some murdering monster?

I also wonder if this will be a major issue for the rest of the season, or if they will just sweep it under the rug like they did with the whole Jill thing.

[superhippie2000]

just watched the episode. it was great. and Officer Winslow :lol: where the hell was urkel lol.

a felt bad for both morgan and chuck they both saw something that really bothered them but didnt see the big picture of what was actually going on. i hope in the new episodes of chuck both of them learn the truth about what they saw and they can move on.

i liked when chuck gave sarah the bracelet. i just wish sarah would come out already and show chuck how she really feels.

[DarkClone]

I think Chuck will be torn . . .

because he's fallen hard for Sarah, he does love her, you don't give a bracelet like that to just anyone

but I think the killing was a strong reminder of why she's really there, and what she can really be like . . .


I think Sarah killed that man, not just to protect Chuck as part of her mission, but because of what he was saying, and the fact that she loves him. She, in her own twisted spy way, was willing to do whatever it takes to protect Chuck, including execute someone.

I think in the end, her lying to him about it will bother him more than her killing him.

[superhippie2000]

ya i think chuck wont be able to trust her for a while. im sure if she didnt love chuck she would of sent him to prision and that would of been it and delt with people coming after chuck later.

im wondering if at any point any of chucks friends or family will learn his secret. it would be funny if jeff found out :lol: i dont think elle or awesome should find out any time soon tho.

[closetclana]

a felt bad for both morgan and chuck they both saw something that really bothered them but didnt see the big picture of what was actually going on. i hope in the new episodes of chuck both of them learn the truth about what they saw and they can move on.


I thought that Chuck did hear the conversation between Sarah and the Fulcrum agent. The fulcrum agent made a very good case for why he should be killed. I think the writers wanted us as viewers to think agree that Sarah did the right thing.

If Chuck didn't hear anything that was said and just saw Sarah execute someone in cold blood, I can see why that would freak him out.

But Chuck was right there watching the whole thing, what makes you think he didn't hear the conversation?

[DarkClone]

I don't think he did . . . when he came up, he was looking around, and then spotted them just as he said he was ready to be taken in and then put his hands up. I don't think Chuck heard what was said.

It would be cool to see character development from this . . . so hopefully they don't write it off that she shot him, but he didn't actually die, and was in fact taken to prison

[superhippie2000]

I thought that Chuck did hear the conversation between Sarah and the Fulcrum agent. The fulcrum agent made a very good case for why he should be killed. I think the writers wanted us as viewers to think agree that Sarah did the right thing.

If Chuck didn't hear anything that was said and just saw Sarah execute someone in cold blood, I can see why that would freak him out.

But Chuck was right there watching the whole thing, what makes you think he didn't hear the conversation?
i dont think he heard the whole thing cause it seemed like chuck peeked around the tree and started watching when the guy is like ok you can take me in and put his hands behind his head and sarah shot him. i dont think he heard the part about the guy going with sarah and saying it desnt matter cause the other fulkrum members will find him and he will tell them about chuck.

[HumanoidCorvin]

Spoilers, Fulcrum eventually finds out about Chuck's ability to absorb the intersect and survive. They give him their own intersect "The Dark Intersect"

But man, Sarah killed that guy to protect Chuck, that proves she loves him willing to kill someone to keep him safe.

[Violet-Shadow]

This episode was just incredible! Especially the ending. Sarah kills the agent but Chuck doesn't know why (he didn't hear what we did) and then she lies to him about it! I love how Morgan's relationship paralleled Chuck's but in a different way. On that note, I was severly disappointed when Anna didn't see Morgan's feat of heroism. IMO this was the best episode of the season. I'm guessing it was the last for awhile...I will miss it while it is on hiatus.

[jkashuba07]

he didnt hear it because he was too far away, all he could do is see. And when the agent put his hands up to be cuffed and taken away, then all of suden sarah shoots him, thats what freaked chuck out. you really think if chuck knew that his life and a lot others, including sarah and casey was at risk, he would be freaked out? Chuck knows that sometimes, the enemy need to be eliminated. This is one of those times, that freaked him out, because it looked like to him, sarah did it for no good reason. Even though she did do the right thing.

Sarah lied to him, because she loves him. And now that she knows for sure, he still loves her, she didnt want him to know what had to be done, because she was afraid he would have been freaked and a little disturbed at her hurting their relationship.

The ironic thing is that he saw the shooting, so lieing to him hurt that relationship. If he never saw it, things would have been just great. Because he saw it, it would have been better for sarah to tell the truth, and if she knew he saw, she would have.

She would have just explained the danger of keeping him alive, and why he had to be eliminated.

[closetclana]

Okay, I re-watched the episode and I agree that Chuck didn't hear the conversation. He wasn't far away during the whole fight scene so I'm not sure what took him so long to turn around and see what was happening. So in a way that helps the Chara relationship. It is just a matter of Chuck understanding why she did it and all will be forgiven (eventually). And where the heck was Casey? One minute he is hobbling behind Sarah, the next minute he is gone.

Watching a 2nd time a few new things stood out.

1) Casey was very funny in this episode. I loved the taped fingers - his injuries from the gift wrapping station.

2) One of the funniest scenes was Ellie watching Lester and Jeff talk about why Chuck released Emmit first. The look on Ellie's face was priceless.

So I think it basically stinks that we have 6 weeks to wait for the next episode. In many ways I hope they don't sweep this whole Chuck/Sarah thing under the rug the first episode. I'd like to see Chuck take his time to resolve it for himself once and for all. He needs to accept Sarah for what she is or not at all.

[DarkClone]

So I think it basically stinks that we have 6 weeks to wait for the next episode. In many ways I hope they don't sweep this whole Chuck/Sarah thing under the rug the first episode. I'd like to see Chuck take his time to resolve it for himself once and for all. He needs to accept Sarah for what she is or not at all.

Yeah, I want to see this resolved on air as well. I think Chuck will accept her when she explains what was going on and what the agent said, but I don't want to see it swept under the rug . . . might be nice to see some more scenes where Sarah has to actually confront her feelings about Chuck as well

[closetclana]

Yeah, I want to see this resolved on air as well. I think Chuck will accept her when she explains what was going on and what the agent said, but I don't want to see it swept under the rug . . . might be nice to see some more scenes where Sarah has to actually confront her feelings about Chuck as well

Sarah confront her feelings? More realistically we'll have Sarah run from her feelings. I think we might see Sarah justifying her actions to Chuck, but it would be ground breaking territory indeed if she talked about how she feels about her job and the things (shooting people) she has to do. I doubt we will see her talk about it. I would guess that Sarah hasn't admitted these feelings to herself. But what is great about the show is that they give us glimpses of Sarah's face and that tells us all we need to know.

[jkashuba07]

Sarah confront her feelings? More realistically we'll have Sarah run from her feelings. I think we might see Sarah justifying her actions to Chuck, but it would be ground breaking territory indeed if she talked about how she feels about her job and the things (shooting people) she has to do. I doubt we will see her talk about it. I would guess that Sarah hasn't admitted these feelings to herself. But what is great about the show is that they give us glimpses of Sarah's face and that tells us all we need to know.


I agree, I don't think either one of them will ever openly admit how they feel, all though it obvious. Instead we will just continue to see the facial expressions, the gifts, the conversations, the dates where they kiss, and they know that the kiss was more than cover, etc.

I think that until, they get together, (if they do, which I think they will) thats all t will ever be. If they do get together, it will prolly be secret just as a cover to CIA and NSA, along with all bad guys they come into contact. Obviously they dont need to keep it a secret around everyone else, since they think its real already, they would just make sure that cover isnt blown when casey is around. Series finale will end with Sarah and Chuck giving up everything and running off together my guess, but they will definately get together before even the last season.

[closetclana]

Series finale will end with Sarah and Chuck giving up everything and running off together my guess, but they will definately get together before even the last season.

Do you think? Perhaps we are getting off topic here and should move our conversation to the "speculation" area.

[jkashuba07]

Do you think? Perhaps we are getting off topic here and should move our conversation to the "speculation" area.

haha sry, just finishing my idea on how this whole lie thing would come together, wont happen again!

[closetclana]

No apologies. I just thought this was a good topic of conversation that all us Chuck board regulars would like to discuss during the long break. I posted a thread in the speculation area.

[jkashuba07]

ok awesome, I'll check it out!

[CallMeClark]

So, I finally got to see it. I am in love with Chuck and Sarah. Awww...

That episode was so great. This show just keeps getting better and better. Seriously. The depth of character development this show brings is amazing. This is definetly the breakout hit of the year, creatively.

I was a bit shocked on what Sarah did, but it just shows how much she really cares for him.

[HumanoidCorvin]

Sarah proved that she truly loves Chuck by killing the Fulcrum agent.

[jkashuba07]

Sarah proved that she truly loves Chuck by killing the Fulcrum agent.


Personally I think the lie more than the shooting proves her love. Yes obviously she probably wouldnt have killed the agent if she didnt loved Chuck, but killing him was the right thing to do, even Casey would agree. I think the lie morw than anything showed how much she loves him, and would do anything to get closer to him. Thats why its kind of ironic, the lie is probably going to split them apart a little bit now since he already knows what happened. If he didnt know, things would have probably been awesome between them, who knows maybe they would have made out if Chuck wasn't a tad disturbed at her. Personally I have a feelin this will end like the Bryce lie ended, with Chuck doing something stupid because she lied to him, then at the end of the show both of them apologizing to one another. Or Casey is gunna find out somehow, and force Sarah to tell him the truth and get that behind them so it doesn't effect their mission to protect him!

[DarkClone]

One thing I'm liking about Casey is that he doesn't like that Sarah has fallen for Chuck, but he's supportive of it to an extent. I mean, he pokes fun at her, he let her go rescue Chuck from being stashed in an underground bunker, etc. He realizes that it has had an effect on Sarah's judgment, but also on Chucks, and often makes him more useful, since he's willing to do what it takes to keep her safe as well.

[HumanoidCorvin]

Casey would have shot the guy but I think he's going to find out and it won't sit well with him.

[closetclana]

I think Casey will go along with the taking-the-Fulcrum-Agent to jail lie but not because he is promoting the Chara relationship. Casey would do it because it would be the best way to handle "the asset." While I do believe that Casey has a soft side when it comes to Chuck, don't forget that he was hiding in Chuck's apartment in 2.1 ready to kill him. As far as Casey goes, I'm sure he feels that Chuck shouldn't know anything more then he has to.

Casey did let Sarah go after Chuck in that one episode but I think that was because he likes Chuck. I haven't seen any evidence from the show that Casey approves in any way of Chara.

[HumanoidCorvin]

I think Casey will go along with the taking-the-Fulcrum-Agent to jail lie but not because he is promoting the Chara relationship. Casey would do it because it would be the best way to handle "the asset." While I do believe that Casey has a soft side when it comes to Chuck, don't forget that he was hiding in Chuck's apartment in 2.1 ready to kill him. As far as Casey goes, I'm sure he feels that Chuck shouldn't know anything more then he has to.

Casey did let Sarah go after Chuck in that one episode but I think that was because he likes Chuck. I haven't seen any evidence from the show that Casey approves in any way of Chara.

Chuck knows and will probably bring it up. As for the Casey situation, I'll be suprised that Chuck knows about the hit on him and is been acting like nothing is wrong. :)

[jkashuba07]

I agree that Casey would have shot him and lied about it, that is what was probably the best thing to do in the interest of the intersect. What I'm saying tho, is if Casey found out Chuck knows what really happened, He knows that that will make a real effect on how these missions go especially between Chuck and Sarah. I think he would force Sarah to be honest with him, so they can put it behind them, and work together like they should be!

[HumanoidCorvin]

Casey will be outsmarted by Chuck in one episode, I know it.

[jkashuba07]

Casey will be outsmarted by Chuck in one episode, I know it.

lol I don't doubt it!

[superhippie2000]

would be funny to see chuck get the best of casey :lol:

[HumanoidCorvin]

lol I don't doubt it!

Come on, Casey is formidable but he ain't exactly the sharpest tool in the box. I bet, he tries to carry out the hit or something and Chuck outwits him. :lol:

Chuck might outsmart Sarah too. :cool:

[jkashuba07]

Come on, Casey is formidable but he ain't exactly the sharpest tool in the box. I bet, he tries to carry out the hit or something and Chuck outwits him. :lol:

Chuck might outsmart Sarah too. :cool:

i was agreeing with you lol

[HumanoidCorvin]

i was agreeing with you lol

I know. I'm just saying that Chuck is smarter than Casey.

[maryjanewatson]

Okay, I re-watched the episode and I agree that Chuck didn't hear the conversation. He wasn't far away during the whole fight scene so I'm not sure what took him so long to turn around and see what was happening. So in a way that helps the Chara relationship. It is just a matter of Chuck understanding why she did it and all will be forgiven (eventually). And where the heck was Casey? One minute he is hobbling behind Sarah, the next minute he is gone.

Watching a 2nd time a few new things stood out.

1) Casey was very funny in this episode. I loved the taped fingers - his injuries from the gift wrapping station.

2) One of the funniest scenes was Ellie watching Lester and Jeff talk about why Chuck released Emmit first. The look on Ellie's face was priceless.

So I think it basically stinks that we have 6 weeks to wait for the next episode. In many ways I hope they don't sweep this whole Chuck/Sarah thing under the rug the first episode. I'd like to see Chuck take his time to resolve it for himself once and for all. He needs to accept Sarah for what she is or not at all.
Six weeks?!?!?!! I can't go that long without chuck!!!!

what day is the next episode supposed to air?

[DarkClone]

Feb. 2

[HumanoidCorvin]

Yep, its about to be a month from now on Friday.

[jkashuba07]

well maybe things can change, like timeslots, if that happens it can very well come bak a week earlier, I just saw that they just changes "Bones" timeslot, ad that's comin bak mid Jan.

[closetclana]

I've been reading a lot of Chuck fanfiction to get me through the break. The fact that Lost and American Idol will be starting up, as well as Smallville will help. Though Chuck is truly at the top of my list these days.

[Welling_is_pretty]

Where to start? I think with I loved this episode!

It had everything--action, romance, intrigue, humor, it had it all. This was Chuck at it's best.

The guy who played the gunman was very convincing as a loser and then creepy as Fulcrum.

Loved Casey's taped fingers (and him buying a gun for himself--classic Casey) and the General's reaction.

How many secret passageways in and out of the Buy More are there now? :D

Awesome wanting to take the guy down, Chuck talking him out of it.

Al Powell (what a great homage to Die Hard--they even had the same actor!) as Big Mike's cousin! LOL (kept waiting for someone to say "welcome to the party, pal!"--seeing as how they couldn't say the other famous line.)

The negotiator being Fulcrum was a trick I didn't see coming. Very nice twist.

And then Sarah shooting him to keep Chuck safe and Chuck's reaction. All great, great stuff.

One small thing though--in the Season 1 Christmas episode Lester basically is Jewish (cons people with dreidel, says he's going to make latkas [and I apologize if I'm misspelling any of this!], etc.). This year, he's obviously not. Did he convert? Admit it was a con? Something? (this was bad continuity, to me. It kinda bugged me that in both this and the Thanksgiving episodes there was no reference made to the previous year's holiday episodes.)

But that's a small nitpick.

Mostly, loved, loved, loved it! (best episode of the Series to date, IMO. Course, I've only seen up to this one now.)

Oh and if I hadn't seen the spoilers for the upcoming episodes I would have (and actually kinda did a little) been expecting Bryce to come out of the trees in the Xmas tree lot and take the Fulcrum guy down. Even though I knew he wasn't going to show up, since he doesn't for several episodes from this one, I still was sorta waiting for it. Or maybe hoping for it is the better term.

[targis]

The cop from Die Hard. I saw him