Clark has no chance against DD

[galatians221]

It was pretty pathetic; the Man of Steel approaches the beast with a right cross and is thrown across the barn like a helpless baby. Somehow Jor El or MM has to train him to use what he has and figure out how to get what he doesn't have or it won't be much of a battle.

[tras76]

but clark got strong enough to defeat him

[lm1212]

Maybe Clark had his guard down a little, he didn't expect Kryptonian strength from some random ugly beast that looked like it came straight out of the Forbidden Forest . And he never got the chance to strike a second time.

[superman_reboot]

true, don't forget DD threw Clark in the barn at night...we all know when he beat Bizzaro he used the sunlight as his strength to overpower him...he's obviously weaker at night without the sun...in either case it was good to see him thrown around a little...

[Mr.Magic]

It was pretty pathetic; the Man of Steel approaches the beast with a right cross and is thrown across the barn like a helpless baby. Somehow Jor El or MM has to train him to use what he has and figure out how to get what he doesn't have or it won't be much of a battle.

Clark always pulls his punches, otherwise it would be messy. He strikes gradually harder if necessary.

[superman_reboot]

lets not forget, everyone has thrown Clark around at first...Zod, Kara, the phantoms, Bizarro, Faora, Maxima, even Lana when she got his powers...he'll come back and defeat DD...if he doesn't, lets see, that means DD defeats Clark, shows over

[Ray Man]

I hope they (tptb) don't make defeating DD as easy as beating the other super-villans we have seen so far. 2 episodes isn't gonna be enough to bring down DD and tell us more about his background. Heck, 2 episodes wasn't even enough to get to know the WHOLE stories behind ZOD, and Bizzy and they couldn't have been as easy to beat as DD!

[DAISHI]

Um not exactly what happened in the comics.

[imaginaryhero]

The writers don't allow Clark to really fight it out. Something's always disabling him in some way, either his emotions get in the way or some kryptonite is nearby or there's a quick fix. I guess they don't want him appearing too heroic too soon but I do hope he beats Doomsday in a Superman-ish way.

[migo]

I hope they (tptb) don't make defeating DD as easy as beating the other super-villans we have seen so far. 2 episodes isn't gonna be enough to bring down DD and tell us more about his background. Heck, 2 episodes wasn't even enough to get to know the WHOLE stories behind ZOD, and Bizzy and they couldn't have been as easy to beat as DD!

They can't make it like DBZ.

"How many Dragon Ball Z characters does it take to screw in a light bulb?"

"Only one, but it takes him 4 episodes to do it."

[galatians221]

They can't make it like DBZ.

"How many Dragon Ball Z characters does it take to screw in a light bulb?"

"Only one, but it takes him 4 episodes to do it."

He can't fight him as CK or the whole world will see who he is. He will have to be outfitted with some kind of disguise that doesn't come off as he's thrown against skyscrapers and smashed into the street. If he would learn to fly he could grab DD and take him to the moon and leave him there. Why don't the writers ever ask my opinions? I'll figure it all out.

[6-Super-Man -5]

but clark got strong enough to defeat him

This is what will happen with DD.

[galatians221]

This is what will happen with DD.

It really will bother me if Clark is expected to fight DD without the ability to fly. Anyone who has seen the cartoon would agree that he could barely hold his own with all of his abilities. I don't like this whole DD stuff on Smallville but if they're going to do it then do it right.

[6-Super-Man -5]

I'm still thinking he'll have the ability by the Season Finale.

[Bizarrolover]

I think Clark thought he was facing someone like Titan or just another meteor freak and found himself in front of a much bigger enemy. he was totally unprepared. Anyway, Doomsday is much stronger than Superman so it will take much more than superstrength to bring him down and Clark will also have to learn to fight with his brain. I think he'll die, like in the comics and, just like Doomsday, he'll come back stronger and able to defeat him.

[galatians221]

I think Clark thought he was facing someone like Titan or just another meteor freak and found himself in front of a much bigger enemy. he was totally unprepared. Anyway, Doomsday is much stronger than Superman so it will take much more than superstrength to bring him down and Clark will also have to learn to fight with his brain. I think he'll die, like in the comics and, just like Doomsday, he'll come back stronger and able to defeat him.

Somehow Clark has to first free Jor El of Brainiac. Remember the last thing Jor El said to CK after they had their first civil conversation; CK said that he would handle DD and Jor El said something like "I'm here to assist you my son", and immediately he was not available and that has to be rectified. Jor El has to play a role in CK defeating DD.

[vikingjedi]

I think Clark thought he was facing someone like Titan or just another meteor freak and found himself in front of a much bigger enemy. he was totally unprepared. Anyway, Doomsday is much stronger than Superman so it will take much more than superstrength to bring him down and Clark will also have to learn to fight with his brain. I think he'll die, like in the comics and, just like Doomsday, he'll come back stronger and able to defeat him.

Maybe he'll die, Jor-El will bring him back to life, and then train him while he heals up.

[Doomsday911]

Why dont they just expose DD to Green K? He is Kryptonian too. It may have a less effect to him than CK but it should work

[BULLITT]

It was pretty pathetic; the Man of Steel approaches the beast with a right cross and is thrown across the barn like a helpless baby. Somehow Jor El or MM has to train him to use what he has and figure out how to get what he doesn't have or it won't be much of a battle.

So, I guess your done. Heroes is on Mondays.

[optinox]

Clark doesn't lose his power at night, he's constantly replenished with energy from the yellow sun. Bazzaro was a phantom zoner that had clarks dna, he was already abit stronger than clark. Then he supercharged himself with a bunch of green K. Clark will bleed if someone as strong or stronger hits him. Zod, Faora, phantom zoner (bautista), these characters were stronger than clark. The whole sunlight healing clark thing, is to remind him where his power comes from, and by luring Bizzaro into the sunlight so he doesn't have quite the edge. DD probably is stronger than clark, but clark and superman for that matter always holds back. Remember clark isn't at his peak yet, if he was he wouldn't of struggled with Zod, or Faora. Clark always holds back cause hes afraid of hurting someone, in the barn he couldn't do much because someone could've seen him use his abilities, so naturally he's gonna be careful. Clark will take a beating before he stops holding back, just like he did with Titan. If he can't beat DD on his own now, he'll probably get help from MM or some of the JL members.

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Why dont they just expose DD to Green K? He is Kryptonian too. It may have a less effect to him than CK but it should work

DD is not kryptonian, he was genetically created by an alien scientist named Bertron, he was made from a infant specie on an early Krypton, and this happened before the humanoid kryptonians inhabited the planet. So green K wouldn't do anything to him, DD has superstrength, superspeed, accelerated healing, and if killed he'll adapt and be immune to the attack that killed him.

[kryptonhero25]

when Clark and DD have their battle it will most likely be in his barn or possibly in the street though i doubt it. I'm hoping for a battle at the Fortress but who knows. The writers definitely need to have Clark die and come back one way or another. Maybe Doomsday will kill him in the episode before the finale and in the finale have him come back and win but if there is a 9th season then the cliffhanger they use should definitely be Doomsday killing Clark in the finale of this season and have that hang over until Season 9. Season 9 then opens with everyone thinking Clark is dead and then BAM! Clark is resurrected and beats Doomsday.

[SnowBird]

I don't think Clark was prepared to know how strong DD was or he would have used his heat vision or super breath instead of a punch so he could stay back from getting thrown. I don't think he was worried about anyone seeing him fight DD as his friends are more important than his secret. Clark never got the chance to try to defeat DD and it probably wouldn't have looked so one sided if he had that chance. I know what kind of battle it will be and I hope we will get to see a good fight when it happens. Titan was the best fight for Clark so far and what was surprising to me is Clark didn't use any other powers like he was trying to make it a fair fight. Anyway, I hope the next confrontation between Clark and DD will not disappoint

[galatians221]

I don't think Clark was prepared to know how strong DD was or he would have used his heat vision or super breath instead of a punch so he could stay back from getting thrown. I don't think he was worried about anyone seeing him fight DD as his friends are more important than his secret. Clark never got the chance to try to defeat DD and it probably wouldn't have looked so one sided if he had that chance. I know what kind of battle it will be and I hope we will get to see a good fight when it happens. Titan was the best fight for Clark so far and what was surprising to me is Clark didn't use any other powers like he was trying to make it a fair fight. Anyway, I hope the next confrontation between Clark and DD will not disappoint

I would expect that the fight would blow the entire season budget for SPFX

[krpto]

the monster that kills superman shouldn't be defeated by clark kent in only one episode let alone with only one punch wich is all clark got it should take a minimum of 5 fights between clark and doomie till clark finds a way to temporarily stop him perhaps buy caging him far under ground, the pz, or some other place in space maybe he leaves doomie on pluto since he cannot destory him but doesn't want doomsday to come back easily either and clark needs to fly at least once in the fight with doomsday locked in his arms.

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and the final fight even with clark flying should last more than 5 minutes its freaking doomsday for a reason it shgouldn't be easy even for a clark kent who is almost superman.

[galatians221]

the monster that kills superman shouldn't be defeated by clark kent in only one episode let alone with only one punch wich is all clark got it should take a minimum of 5 fights between clark and doomie till clark finds a way to temporarily stop him perhaps buy caging him far under ground, the pz, or some other place in space maybe he leaves doomie on pluto since he cannot destory him but doesn't want doomsday to come back easily either and clark needs to fly at least once in the fight with doomsday locked in his arms.

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and the final fight even with clark flying should last more than 5 minutes its freaking doomsday for a reason it shgouldn't be easy even for a clark kent who is almost superman.

I hope DD has a heart attack and dies and we can go back to Clark and Lois.

[Kid Collins]

I just hope when Clark catches up with Doomsday that their fight lasts more than 30 seconds.

I hope SV has the budget for it.

[kalel0607]

I think that the reason clarks punch had no effect on doomsday because of the way clark lives his life. He barely uses his strength and when he does its to do simple tasks. I think that it would take him a while in a fight with doomsday to waken up his potential as he is so use to being normal. I never was very sure about the whole doomsday being unstoppable, adapts to any attack. I mean he was created, by an alien of some kind and no alien not kryptonian or other are perfect. There must be a flaw and with a flaw an means to kill the monster. And also about doomsday being as strong as superman or stronger. I seriously doubt that doomsday could have lifted a rock that was growing into a planet and carry it into space like superman did in superman returns. Superman lifted a mass of that size and it was kryptonite, so he wasn't at full strength. Doomsday kicked superman's butt in superman doomsday because in all of the cartoons superman's strength and ability to be hurt was greatly reduced. He is invulnerable, which seems to be forgotten these days. The strength that sups has should easily put doomsday on his butt and a swift throw into outer space, no problem

[galatians221]

I think that the reason clarks punch had no effect on doomsday because of the way clark lives his life. He barely uses his strength and when he does its to do simple tasks. I think that it would take him a while in a fight with doomsday to waken up his potential as he is so use to being normal. I never was very sure about the whole doomsday being unstoppable, adapts to any attack. I mean he was created, by an alien of some kind and no alien not kryptonian or other are perfect. There must be a flaw and with a flaw an means to kill the monster. And also about doomsday being as strong as superman or stronger. I seriously doubt that doomsday could have lifted a rock that was growing into a planet and carry it into space like superman did in superman returns. Superman lifted a mass of that size and it was kryptonite, so he wasn't at full strength. Doomsday kicked superman's butt in superman doomsday because in all of the cartoons superman's strength and ability to be hurt was greatly reduced. He is invulnerable, which seems to be forgotten these days. The strength that sups has should easily put doomsday on his butt and a swift throw into outer space, no problem

Perhaps so but the bigger problem is how to fight DD and rescue Chloe without having his identity exposed. Just putting on a hood like GA won't hold up to the whuppin he's gonna get from DD if it's anything like what I saw on the DVD.

[scifigirl]

I would expect that the fight would blow the entire season budget for SPFX

This is what worries me. I am afraid that the fight that we saw in Bride may be an indication that DD was too ambitious for SV to take on. Let us hope that I am proven wrong as the season progresses. We are owed a good fight.

[Kevin24]

Clark will own Doomsday with his fist of fury! He will bash his ugly little face in with ease.

He got lucky in round one with the kryptonite slowing down Clark. Clark wasn't even going all out on Doomsday he was just testing the waters and was not impressed with his punch.

That punch didn't even hurt him, he was just down because of the kryptonite. In a rematch Clark will destroy him.

[galatians221]

Clark will own Doomsday with his fist of fury! He will bash his ugly little face in with ease.

He got lucky in round one with the kryptonite slowing down Clark. Clark wasn't even going all out on Doomsday he was just testing the waters and was not impressed with his punch.

That punch didn't even hurt him, he was just down because of the kryptonite. In a rematch Clark will destroy him.

Yes, but you are a Rams fan so your judgement is questionable!! (I am too just not proud of it)

[Kevin24]

Yes, but you are a Rams fan so your judgement is questionable!! (I am too just not proud of it)

Yes, my judgment is questionable!:lol:

We did better this week! We only lost by 24 points this time! We are improving :)

[RPintorO]

Clark Kent has the potential of using all of his unlimited might & power to stop an opponent but he always holds back because how he was brought up by his adoptive parents and fearing he will unintentionally kill a person.

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

Right now, Clark has no chance of beating Doomsday. Absolutely no chance. But, with training later this season, the classic DD vs Supes fight could happen.

[amberdawn]

If he fights DD at the end of the season, I expect him to "die".

[baltazor]

I don't think Clark realized until it was too late who that creature was. And that it why he didn't give 100% of himself in the fight. Remember the moment when Clark goes to punch him and DD caught his fist ?? Clark looked VERY surprised at that moment.

Anyway DD is one of the toughest villains (if not THE toughest) superman will ever go up against so, i don't think Clark has realized that stopping DD will claim his life...

[optinox]

Clark proably won't die, they've had him die or almost die too many times already, that direction has gotten stale in my book. The problem is, Smallville may or may not use the comics or animated cartoon as reference. If they use the comics, then superman dies, so whats the point of DD killing young CK now??? That would be stupid. If they go with the animated movie, then superman doesn't die, he just goes into a coma like state, then comes back. if smallville goes with that route, then maybe they'll incoporate that into a DD vs clark battle. Or they may go with there own twist, maybe forcing clark to have to fly closer to sun to charge himself up after being beaten really bad, then clark will turn around and win the fight somehow. But flight will probably be used in a life or death situation, clarks or someone clark cares about. Clark always holds back, just like he did with Titan, clark will take a beating before he turns the notch up like he did with Titan. My theory is DD is stronger than clark, even when he turns the notch up, this being said they could kill clark but i think that would be a bad idea. They could have clark temporarily kill DD, melt him with his heatvision or something. Then have DD showing to evolve and come back at the end with a final fight with clark. There's lots they can do with the storyline. DD always had an edge for strength, and invulnerability/durability over superman. So there both basically still growing into there peak, once clark becomes superman his powerlevels will increase, and DD will as well...that way when they would meet in the future, this would stay true from the earlier encounter in smallville with DD having the upperhand. Clark/superman always holds back, its almost like he tests the waters to feel his opponent out, clark couldn't go full out, what if it was a meteor freak and not DD or a phantom zoner, something that can take on clarks power, plus he couldn't do much or it would expose himself to anyone that might of seen what was going on. I still think DD will have an upperhand though, no matter if clark is holding back.

[galatians221]

Clark proably won't die, they've had him die or almost die too many times already, that direction has gotten stale in my book. The problem is, Smallville may or may not use the comics or animated cartoon as reference. If they use the comics, then superman dies, so whats the point of DD killing young CK now??? That would be stupid. If they go with the animated movie, then superman doesn't die, he just goes into a coma like state, then comes back. if smallville goes with that route, then maybe they'll incoporate that into a DD vs clark battle. Or they may go with there own twist, maybe forcing clark to have to fly closer to sun to charge himself up after being beaten really bad, then clark will turn around and win the fight somehow. But flight will probably be used in a life or death situation, clarks or someone clark cares about. Clark always holds back, just like he did with Titan, clark will take a beating before he turns the notch up like he did with Titan. My theory is DD is stronger than clark, even when he turns the notch up, this being said they could kill clark but i think that would be a bad idea. They could have clark temporarily kill DD, melt him with his heatvision or something. Then have DD showing to evolve and come back at the end with a final fight with clark. There's lots they can do with the storyline. DD always had an edge for strength, and invulnerability/durability over superman. So there both basically still growing into there peak, once clark becomes superman his powerlevels will increase, and DD will as well...that way when they would meet in the future, this would stay true from the earlier encounter in smallville with DD having the upperhand. Clark/superman always holds back, its almost like he tests the waters to feel his opponent out, clark couldn't go full out, what if it was a meteor freak and not DD or a phantom zoner, something that can take on clarks power, plus he couldn't do much or it would expose himself to anyone that might of seen what was going on. I still think DD will have an upperhand though, no matter if clark is holding back.

Can't Clark somehow send him to the Phantom Zone? That would be better unless they want to drag this out into a Clana like situation where it never seems to end. Doomsday and Clark to me spells DARK. I prefer Clois. Have a battle, have a winner and then let's move on.

[Kal el of krypton]

I think Jor el or MM needs to train him to use all his abilities to his advantage. Usually when ever clark is in a fight he would only use strength or heat vision or speed. He hardly ever uses them all together.

For example when he had that fight with Titan, he only used strength to take him out even though it was after lanas wedding and he was pretty pissed off and wanted to kill him with his "bare hands".

He needs to use all his powers to take out DD and whats happening with freeze breath?. He learnt super breath but i havn't seen him learn the freezing ability or seen him do it.

[galatians221]

I think Jor el or MM needs to train him to use all his abilities to his advantage. Usually when ever clark is in a fight he would only use strength or heat vision or speed. He hardly ever uses them all together.

For example when he had that fight with Titan, he only used strength to take him out even though it was after lanas wedding and he was pretty pissed off and wanted to kill him with his "bare hands".

He needs to use all his powers to take out DD and whats happening with freeze breath?. He learnt super breath but i havn't seen him learn the freezing ability or seen him do it.

If killing DD means that he will come back to life and be immune to the way he has already been killed, then unless they want to spin this off into another series, they have to send DD to the Phantom Zone and dispose of him. He can fight Phantoms and keep his mind occupied.

[galatians221]

I don't think Clark was prepared to know how strong DD was or he would have used his heat vision or super breath instead of a punch so he could stay back from getting thrown. I don't think he was worried about anyone seeing him fight DD as his friends are more important than his secret. Clark never got the chance to try to defeat DD and it probably wouldn't have looked so one sided if he had that chance. I know what kind of battle it will be and I hope we will get to see a good fight when it happens. Titan was the best fight for Clark so far and what was surprising to me is Clark didn't use any other powers like he was trying to make it a fair fight. Anyway, I hope the next confrontation between Clark and DD will not disappoint

I think the being seen thing was important as that is the sub theme of a lot of S8. Clark needs an identity and that has been stated over and over. This is just one reason why.

[galatians221]

when Clark and DD have their battle it will most likely be in his barn or possibly in the street though i doubt it. I'm hoping for a battle at the Fortress but who knows. The writers definitely need to have Clark die and come back one way or another. Maybe Doomsday will kill him in the episode before the finale and in the finale have him come back and win but if there is a 9th season then the cliffhanger they use should definitely be Doomsday killing Clark in the finale of this season and have that hang over until Season 9. Season 9 then opens with everyone thinking Clark is dead and then BAM! Clark is resurrected and beats Doomsday.

I hope the barn is destroyed and Clark has to spend his idle time listening to police radios. Burn the barn.

[Iluvgreen]

He wasn't expecting it. Plus he'll get the strength in the end, to defeat Doomsday.

[Bane]

In the novel & comics, he actually didn't get strong enough to defeat Doomsday, because the fight occured closer to late at night, so he didn't have the advantage of the sun. He had to pull the strength from his reserve tanks. And what makes Doomsday such a tough opponent to fight is that his body is encased in hard bone that's hard to pierce, but over time Superman was able to weaken Doomsday's defenses, and get in a punch that killed him.

Concerning Clark, I think he has a chance, but not as big a chance to win as comic Supes. My reasoning behind this is that Superman in the comics had a little over 30 years of solar radiation stored inside, whereas Clark has only had about 23 years worth of solar radiation stored within.

Lastly, Clark was only surprised by his punch being stopped because he surely didn't expect such an ugly beast to possess strength on or above his level. He'll have his guard up next time for sure, though.

[HalJordan4184]

In the novel & comics, he actually didn't get strong enough to defeat Doomsday, because the fight occured closer to late at night, so he didn't have the advantage of the sun. He had to pull the strength from his reserve tanks. And what makes Doomsday such a tough opponent to fight is that his body is encased in hard bone that's hard to pierce, but over time Superman was able to weaken Doomsday's defenses, and get in a punch that killed him.

Concerning Clark, I think he has a chance, but not as big a chance to win as comic Supes. My reasoning behind this is that Superman in the comics had a little over 30 years of solar radiation stored inside, whereas Clark has only had about 23 years worth of solar radiation stored within.

Lastly, Clark was only surprised by his punch being stopped because he surely didn't expect such an ugly beast to possess strength on or above his level. He'll have his guard up next time for sure, though.


The sun does not provide him an adavatnge. He doesn't replenish energy instantaneously, just because he came into contact with a little sunlight. THe fight in Metropolis in the comics, was in broad day light. He had all the sunlight he could want. The sun however, can only replensih so much, over so long a time. Doomsday was soo strong, that Clark needed to expend far greater amounts, than he was getting back.

Also, there was no wearing down Doomsday's defenses. Doomsday does not get weaker, like you or I would on exertion. He has near infinite stamina. More than even Superman. What finally ended the fight, was Clark's realization he had to give Doomsday his all, and go for a killing blow, rather than trying to merely stop him.

[galatians221]

The sun does not provide him an adavatnge. He doesn't replenish energy instantaneously, just because he came into contact with a little sunlight. THe fight in Metropolis in the comics, was in broad day light. He had all the sunlight he could want. The sun however, can only replensih so much, over so long a time. Doomsday was soo strong, that Clark needed to expend far greater amounts, than he was getting back.

Also, there was no wearing down Doomsday's defenses. Doomsday does not get weaker, like you or I would on exertion. He has near infinite stamina. More than even Superman. What finally ended the fight, was Clark's realization he had to give Doomsday his all, and go for a killing blow, rather than trying to merely stop him.

It did in Supe Returns. This stuff really confuses me sometimes. He had almost drowned, had little power and then flew above the clouds and in about 10 seconds he was ready to kick some butt.

[Bane]

The sun does not provide him an adavatnge. He doesn't replenish energy instantaneously, just because he came into contact with a little sunlight. THe fight in Metropolis in the comics, was in broad day light. He had all the sunlight he could want. The sun however, can only replensih so much, over so long a time. Doomsday was soo strong, that Clark needed to expend far greater amounts, than he was getting back.

Also, there was no wearing down Doomsday's defenses. Doomsday does not get weaker, like you or I would on exertion. He has near infinite stamina. More than even Superman. What finally ended the fight, was Clark's realization he had to give Doomsday his all, and go for a killing blow, rather than trying to merely stop him.

It does provide him with an advantage in that even if he's exerting more than what's coming in, he's still getting something to help him out. Plus, I was referring to the novel, which basically said the fight was closer to night time. Getting back to the sunlight being an advantage, before it became dark during the fight, in the novel he had a huge wound on his side, and after a few minutes it had began to heal quickly, until Doomsday re-opened the wound. I'm sure that had he taken a few more minutes to himself, the wound would have been completely gone.

Doomsday has incredible stamina, yes. He is hard to hurt because of the outer bone area, but he can be hurt. Also, you can't just fight someone and get your ass beat, and then all of a sudden one punch kills them. Doomsday had to be weakened enough for Superman's final blow to be enough to kill him, otherwise if he weren't he'd still have been alive after Superman had went into that comatose state.

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It did in Supe Returns. This stuff really confuses me sometimes. He had almost drowned, had little power and then flew above the clouds and in about 10 seconds he was ready to kick some butt.


Actually, the closer he is to the sun, the quicker he heals. By him being thousands of miles away from the sun when he's on the Earth, it can only heal so quickly when he's been badly injured. That's why the Martian Manhunter flew Clark to the sun, because he knew it'd instantly help.

[galatians221]

It does provide him with an advantage in that even if he's exerting more than what's coming in, he's still getting something to help him out. Plus, I was referring to the novel, which basically said the fight was closer to night time. Getting back to the sunlight being an advantage, before it became dark during the fight, in the novel he had a huge wound on his side, and after a few minutes it had began to heal quickly, until Doomsday re-opened the wound. I'm sure that had he taken a few more minutes to himself, the wound would have been completely gone.

Doomsday has incredible stamina, yes. He is hard to hurt because of the outer bone area, but he can be hurt. Also, you can't just fight someone and get your ass beat, and then all of a sudden one punch kills them. Doomsday had to be weakened enough for Superman's final blow to be enough to kill him, otherwise if he weren't he'd still have been alive after Superman had went into that comatose state.

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Actually, the closer he is to the sun, the quicker he heals. By him being thousands of miles away from the sun when he's on the Earth, it can only heal so quickly when he's been badly injured. That's why the Martian Manhunter flew Clark to the sun, because he knew it'd instantly help.

Then Clark needs to learn how to fly and have DD follow him close to the sun and engage him there where he will be stronger.

[Bane]

That makes no sense at all. Clark knows the sun is his ally, but why in the world would he fly to the sun and leave Doomsday on Earth to wreak havoc? If he tries to fly Doomsday there, Doomsday will pummel him, and if he tries to get Doomsday to follow him, he'll soon just decide to go back to killing people.

[galatians221]

That makes no sense at all. Clark knows the sun is his ally, but why in the world would he fly to the sun and leave Doomsday on Earth to wreak havoc? If he tries to fly Doomsday there, Doomsday will pummel him, and if he tries to get Doomsday to follow him, he'll soon just decide to go back to killing people.

He would try to get Doomsday to follow him where CK is stronger. I know it's lame but there seems to be no hope. He can only temporarily kill DD. How does this ever get resolved? How long does the dude stay dead? Is he like those cicadas that come back every seven years?

[Ray Man]

Too bad DD can't kill himself on the inside out like the Silver Surfer...

[galatians221]

Too bad DD can't kill himself on the inside out like the Silver Surfer...

If Davis happens to catch a glimpse in a mirror he may want to turn himself inside out.

[Fallen One]

Clark's punch was stopped and he was thrown to the loft. Big deal. He's been thrown before and his punch has been stopped before.

Sure he was a little dazed, but was the Kryptonite held him down.

The next time Clark sees DD he'll take it to his ass, you can bank on that. They'll be no Kryptonite around to stop him this time. No matter how long it takes, Clark will not lose that fight.

[galatians221]

Clark's punch was stopped and he was thrown to the loft. Big deal. He's been thrown before and his punch has been stopped before.

Sure he was a little dazed, but was the Kryptonite held him down.

The next time Clark sees DD he'll take it to his ass, you can bank on that. They'll be no Kryptonite around to stop him this time. No matter how long it takes, Clark will not lose that fight.

But Doomsday never dies. Well he does for a while and then can't be killed in the same way. It's like plastic bottles, they take a zillion years to decompose. If DD decomposed he'd come back and never be able to decompose. Clark needs to confine him somehow otherwise he'll be coming back more often than Lana.

[SupaBoy]

Correct, but he will get stronger, it's superman were speaking abou here.

[galatians221]

Correct, but he will get stronger, it's superman were speaking abou here.

He can't even fly. This is not fully Superman.

[SupaBoy]

Yes it is Superman, just because he has not been trained does not mean he is not superman. Yes once he has been trained he turns into superman but it is superman.
What i was saying in my post is that he will gt stronger but just becuase he is not at his speak does not mean he is superman.

[Fallen One]

Superman is just a title, a symbol, thats all. Clark doesn't become more powerful when he puts on the iconic suit and cape, he is just as powerful when he is in a plaid shirt. The suit and cape are just clothes. It doesn't make him a better person, a better fighter, or more mature.

Clark's physically mature and is every bit the fighter that he needs to be. He has had the ability to fly ever since the second episode of the series. He chooses not to for his own reasons. When the right motivation presents itself this seaosn... he will fly.

But flight or no flight, DD is the one who is dying this season.

[SupaBoy]

^^ that is what i was trying to say lol. Nice way of putting it Cedric.(Y)

[Ray Man]

If Davis happens to catch a glimpse in a mirror he may want to turn himself inside out.

He could but he'd still be a monster...

[galatians221]

Yes it is Superman, just because he has not been trained does not mean he is not superman. Yes once he has been trained he turns into superman but it is superman.
What i was saying in my post is that he will gt stronger but just becuase he is not at his speak does not mean he is superman.

I understand that he IS Superman but I'm saying that he is not yet fully Superman. He has more coming including flight. For instance, he's supposed to have super intelligence but instead he has to go to Chloe to have her interpret a blood chart. He's not supposed to need help in planning his actions. He has super intelligence and if he had that he wouldn't be still mooning over Lana which is stupid. He's not ready to fight Doomsday imho, but if Jor El gets freed from Brainy, I think he's got lots of goodies waiting for Kal El including how to fly.

[SupaBoy]

Yes i get your point he is not ready to fight DoomsDay, But he is still CK he is still superman. But yes you are correct imo aswell he is not ready to defeat doomsday just yet. I am hoping to Jor-El will have something up his sleeve:D

[KryptonStones]

NO, I don't believe that this CK is superman IMHO. He's well on his way to becoming and inheriting all of Superman's iconic traits, leaps and bounds ahead of his former seasons 4-7, AL/MILES self, but he's still making mistakes. He went against his best friend's wishes and stole her memories for reasons that are still a bit ambiguous to me. And I do consider flight to be essential to Superman lore. That, "Look up at that sky, it's a bird, it's a plane," cliched and outdated statement has a meaning to it. It's Clark finally understanding who he is to me. It's Clark finally embracing both his kryptonian heritage and his life on Earth. And in "Identity" this guy was doing everything in his power to make sure his secret wasn't exposed. Granted, for good reason, but he doesn't quite fully grasp that people need something, someone, to look forward to for the sake of inspiration. They need a ray of light. He can't continue working in the shadows, that's what Batman is there for. To instill fear, to be an urban myth, to be mysterious. Clark needs to realize that as Superman he can be the symbol that people have been searching their whole lives for. We saw the look on his face when he saw the admiration Oliver Queen received in his blue and red disguise, and Clark's face lit up. But until I see him making the efforts of creating some sort of new identity, or fully comprehending what it means to be, not only a hero but a symbol, I can't label this guy Superman yet.

I love that he's making mistakes, I love that he's still clueless to certain things that need to be done. And it's not like past seasons when he did the same mistakes over and over again. He seems to be actually LEARNING from his experiences, he seems to actualyl be ENJOYING using his super powers, but he's still just a few inches from being Superman and I'd prefer it that way. IMO when Clark becomes Superman the show and its purpose should be...over.

Whether or not he has a chance against DD.....no Clark Kent doesn't have a full chance against DD. But DD isn't fully, well, his Doomsday self anyway. I think it's interesting to have two characters, just a few inches away from their destinies, tangling out before they fully embrace what they become. Clark Kent can't take on a full fledged Doomsday, no, not in a million years, but this particular Doomsday, with Davis Bloome holding him back, yeah I think CK should stand a chance.

[galatians221]

NO, I don't believe that this CK is superman IMHO. He's well on his way to becoming and inheriting all of Superman's iconic traits, leaps and bounds ahead of his former seasons 4-7, AL/MILES self, but he's still making mistakes. He went against his best friend's wishes and stole her memories for reasons that are still a bit ambiguous to me. And I do consider flight to be essential to Superman lore. That, "Look up at that sky, it's a bird, it's a plane," cliched and outdated statement has a meaning to it. It's Clark finally understanding who he is to me. It's Clark finally embracing both his kryptonian heritage and his life on Earth. And in "Identity" this guy was doing everything in his power to make sure his secret wasn't exposed. Granted, for good reason, but he doesn't quite fully grasp that people need something, someone, to look forward to for the sake of inspiration. They need a ray of light. He can't continue working in the shadows, that's what Batman is there for. To instill fear, to be an urban myth, to be mysterious. Clark needs to realize that as Superman he can be the symbol that people have been searching their whole lives for. We saw the look on his face when he saw the admiration Oliver Queen received in his blue and red disguise, and Clark's face lit up. But until I see him making the efforts of creating some sort of new identity, or fully comprehending what it means to be, not only a hero but a symbol, I can't label this guy Superman yet.

I love that he's making mistakes, I love that he's still clueless to certain things that need to be done. And it's not like past seasons when he did the same mistakes over and over again. He seems to be actually LEARNING from his experiences, he seems to actualyl be ENJOYING using his super powers, but he's still just a few inches from being Superman and I'd prefer it that way. IMO when Clark becomes Superman the show and its purpose should be...over.

Whether or not he has a chance against DD.....no Clark Kent doesn't have a full chance against DD. But DD isn't fully, well, his Doomsday self anyway. I think it's interesting to have two characters, just a few inches away from their destinies, tangling out before they fully embrace what they become. Clark Kent can't take on a full fledged Doomsday, no, not in a million years, but this particular Doomsday, with Davis Bloome holding him back, yeah I think CK should stand a chance.

I remain mystified as to what victory is. If CK cannot permanently kill DD and DD cannot permanently kill CK then this will go on forever. How will there ever be resolution to it all?

[SupaBoy]

Hmm phantom zone and im sure JOr-el will have something to say:)

[galatians221]

Hmm phantom zone and im sure JOr-el will have something to say:)

But I'm being told by others that only Kryptonians can be cast into the Zone. I pointed out that Lois ended up there but of course she had to be touching CK for that to happen. I suppose if and when CK kills DD, before he resurrects that Clark could send them both to the Phantom Zone and use the portal to get out. He still has Brainiac to deal with but it will always be something.

[SupaBoy]

Yes but i think Although Doomsday is not fully kryptonian, he has SOME kryptonian genes.

[galatians221]

Yes but i think Although Doomsday is not fully kryptonian, he has SOME kryptonian genes.

If true it would seem that he would be affected by kryptonite.

[galatians221]

The sun does not provide him an adavatnge. He doesn't replenish energy instantaneously, just because he came into contact with a little sunlight. THe fight in Metropolis in the comics, was in broad day light. He had all the sunlight he could want. The sun however, can only replensih so much, over so long a time. Doomsday was soo strong, that Clark needed to expend far greater amounts, than he was getting back.

Also, there was no wearing down Doomsday's defenses. Doomsday does not get weaker, like you or I would on exertion. He has near infinite stamina. More than even Superman. What finally ended the fight, was Clark's realization he had to give Doomsday his all, and go for a killing blow, rather than trying to merely stop him.

Doesn't the fact remain that Clark cannot permanently kill Doomsday so any "victory" would be temporary. Why couldn't CK figure out a way to send DD into the Phantom Zone? I mean Smallville has all of those PZ sets, they may as well use them. I remain mystified as to how CK can win, even if he wins the battle the war continues.

[rebecavaldez]

I think for the "bride" episode he wasn't expecting something so strong and therefore did not use all of his powers because he knew he was in a public place and people were could be watching him

[SupaBoy]

Maybe because they think the PZ is getting a little boring and have thought of, will think of a new way to beat him...

And to your other post Maybe he doesnt have the kryptonite gene:rolleyes::lol: I dunno:p

[galatians221]

I think for the "bride" episode he wasn't expecting something so strong and therefore did not use all of his powers because he knew he was in a public place and people were could be watching him

So, he'd better hit the weights huh? I think a lot of this ties into Jor El telling him "I'll be here for you" and seconds later he was gurgling as Brainiac neutralized him. The key has to be getting JE unleashed and as of now Clark doesn't even know what has happened to dear old Dad and the FOS.

[Eurynome]

I was thinking about a way to defeat DD permanently. I think the only way to do it is complete and utter destruction of his remains. I mean, if there's nothing to come back, then there's nothing to come back. I would think, flying DD into the sun would do the trick if he not defeated previously by fire (and so far he's not).

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I don't think Clark was prepared to know how strong DD was or he would have used his heat vision or super breath instead of a punch so he could stay back from getting thrown. I don't think he was worried about anyone seeing him fight DD as his friends are more important than his secret. Clark never got the chance to try to defeat DD and it probably wouldn't have looked so one sided if he had that chance. I know what kind of battle it will be and I hope we will get to see a good fight when it happens. Titan was the best fight for Clark so far and what was surprising to me is Clark didn't use any other powers like he was trying to make it a fair fight. Anyway, I hope the next confrontation between Clark and DD will not disappoint

I don't think Clark wanted to use his other abilities to defeat Titan. Remember, he was angry about Lana marrying Lex, and I think he just wanted someone to pummel and Titan was a very visible target. Even the man of steel gets angry, although not as easily as other people.

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But I'm being told by others that only Kryptonians can be cast into the Zone. I pointed out that Lois ended up there but of course she had to be touching CK for that to happen. I suppose if and when CK kills DD, before he resurrects that Clark could send them both to the Phantom Zone and use the portal to get out. He still has Brainiac to deal with but it will always be something.

There were lots of non-Kryptonians in the PZ. Raya said it was a prison for the worst criminals in 23 galaxies. Baron wasn't from Krypton. He destroyed his own planet then came to Krypton to wreak a little more havoc, and Jor-El sent him to the PZ. I don't think Titan or the bone eater (don't know the actually name but played by Batista) were from Krypton either. But the non-Kryptonians in the Zone may just be a SV thing.

[27CDruid]

There were lots of non-Kryptonians in the PZ. Raya said it was a prison for the worst criminals in 23 galaxies. Baron wasn't from Krypton. He destroyed his own planet then came to Krypton to wreak a little more havoc, and Jor-El sent him to the PZ. I don't think Titan or the bone eater (don't know the actually name but played by Batista) were from Krypton either. But the non-Kryptonians in the Zone may just be a SV thing.

In the Titan fight shown in the video: http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=9-oaSSUpKBo (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=9-oaSSUpKBo)#

At 2:00 he states, "Time to die Kryptonian."
Titan would not have said this if he was also Kryptonian.

[galatians221]

In the Titan fight shown in the video: http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=9-oaSSUpKBo (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=9-oaSSUpKBo)#

At 2:00 he states, "Time to die Kryptonian."
Titan would not have said this if he was also Kryptonian.

Great points. Thanks for clearing that up. I"m guessing that is the way it will end otherwise CK will have to constantly deal with DD and won't have time for Lois.

[optinox]

Just because clarks enemies know him as Kryptonian doesn't mean they are from Krypton themselves. The original DD wasn't kryptonian, he was created from a specie on an early Krypton way before human kryptonians ihabited the planet, by an alien scientist named Berton. Most of these villains seem to know or can detect that clark is kryptonian, maybe its the resemblance to Jor-El, or maybe they can just scense Kryptonians. Titan came looking to fight, its as if some of the villains (Titan, Bone eater/Bautista, ect) somehow know clark is kryptonian. Clark was looking for a fight as well, and i can see a DD vs clark going the same way, except instead of having a complete turnaround that shows clark toying with Titan, i can't see this happening against DD. I would speculate to say that DD will be temporarily defeated by clark, but clark probably won't be able to toy with DD like he did with Titan. I can see a turnaround after clark gets pounded for abit, and exchange of punches, throws, pushing eachother through walls, ect....like the Titan fight, but i would also think it would be much more of a life or death fight, where clark comes out the winner with hopefully no help from someone or something to save him, a good brawl that shows clark and DD are both powerful characters, with clark being the victor in the end. And like i've said a few times now, they could have clark grab DD from behind, fly up into the sky, throw DD into space, that way he's away from earth (temorarily defeated), we see what looks to be a meteor type of object flying towards a planet, the subtitles say Apocolypse, then a scene with a huge crater where DD landed, and his hand pushes through the dirt. That would fit in, cause then DD is on Apocolypse, and if smallville or anyone for that matter wanted to bring DD back to Metropoliis they could. They could have a storyline where DD is trapped on Apocolypse, escapes somehow and makes his way back to earth many years later to seek out the one who killed or sent him away, thus you have a 2nd fight between a fully powered supes and an evolved, adapted, and stronger DD for there ultimate fight, that would make much more sense than sending DD to the phantom zone. Sure he'll be trapped but when he starts killing all these so called most most serious threats that are trapped in the phantom zone, DD would be extremely powerful by the time he returns. For the record its not the superman suit that makes clark stronger, its his training, and as he ages i believe he can consume more solar energy thus making his power levels higher. Makes sense when you see that Faora, Zod (lex), which would be adult kryptonians gave clark a struggle. In order for clark to hone his other abilities, as well become stronger, he needs Jor-Els training, and to grow abit older before he has what i call adult kryptonian power levels.

[galatians221]

Just because clarks enemies know him as Kryptonian doesn't mean they are from Krypton themselves. The original DD wasn't kryptonian, he was created from a specie on an early Krypton way before human kryptonians ihabited the planet, by an alien scientist named Berton. Most of these villains seem to know or can detect that clark is kryptonian, maybe its the resemblance to Jor-El, or maybe they can just scense Kryptonians. Titan came looking to fight, its as if some of the villains (Titan, Bone eater/Bautista, ect) somehow know clark is kryptonian. Clark was looking for a fight as well, and i can see a DD vs clark going the same way, except instead of having a complete turnaround that shows clark toying with Titan, i can't see this happening against DD. I would speculate to say that DD will be temporarily defeated by clark, but clark probably won't be able to toy with DD like he did with Titan. I can see a turnaround after clark gets pounded for abit, and exchange of punches, throws, pushing eachother through walls, ect....like the Titan fight, but i would also think it would be much more of a life or death fight, where clark comes out the winner with hopefully no help from someone or something to save him, a good brawl that shows clark and DD are both powerful characters, with clark being the victor in the end. And like i've said a few times now, they could have clark grab DD from behind, fly up into the sky, throw DD into space, that way he's away from earth (temorarily defeated), we see what looks to be a meteor type of object flying towards a planet, the subtitles say Apocolypse, then a scene with a huge crater where DD landed, and his hand pushes through the dirt. That would fit in, cause then DD is on Apocolypse, and if smallville or anyone for that matter wanted to bring DD back to Metropoliis they could. They could have a storyline where DD is trapped on Apocolypse, escapes somehow and makes his way back to earth many years later to seek out the one who killed or sent him away, thus you have a 2nd fight between a fully powered supes and an evolved, adapted, and stronger DD for there ultimate fight, that would make much more sense than sending DD to the phantom zone. Sure he'll be trapped but when he starts killing all these so called most most serious threats that are trapped in the phantom zone, DD would be extremely powerful by the time he returns. For the record its not the superman suit that makes clark stronger, its his training, and as he ages i believe he can consume more solar energy thus making his power levels higher. Makes sense when you see that Faora, Zod (lex), which would be adult kryptonians gave clark a struggle. In order for clark to hone his other abilities, as well become stronger, he needs Jor-Els training, and to grow abit older before he has what i call adult kryptonian power levels.

Wow! Just when I think I have it figured out. I want CK to win so Lois and he can get moving on with their relationship.

[SacredK]

Maybe Clark had his guard down a little, he didn't expect Kryptonian strength from some random ugly beast that looked like it came straight out of the Forbidden Forest . And he never got the chance to strike a second time.

Totally agree on that one.

[Bane]

I don't know why people are undermining Clark's physical strength...I thought he proved himself long ago when he killed Titan, and fought Bizarro on even ground, even after he had a Kryptonite strength boost from Lionel by accident. Clark will be more than capable of handling Doomsday, who, I might add, isn't even fully done evolving.

[The Krypton Knight]

Can't Clark somehow send him to the Phantom Zone? That would be better unless they want to drag this out into a Clana like situation where it never seems to end. Doomsday and Clark to me spells DARK. I prefer Clois. Have a battle, have a winner and then let's move on.

Not to pick on you individually, galatians, but this is why I can't stand 'shipping! Let's just skip all of the actual Superman stuff and just boil it down to basically a soap opera. I see people dissing Dawn Ostroff (justly, IMO) all over these boards, but why do you think they want to go with the girly dramas and ignore Smallville, when seemingly half the fans of SV are tuning in solely for that girly drama stuff! I admit, I enjoy scenes between Lois and Clark, they are great together. But I mostly enjoy it because it is building on the Superman mythos. Honestly, the Lana - Clark saga almost killed this show for me, and I have never understood the Chlois 'shippers (I know, I'm going to bring the wrath of so many upon me after this post!:D). Anyways, rant over. I just think that DD and Clark having an extended battle would be the best thing to happen on this show, and don't want to be ripped off by another one punch and over fight.

And for the record, I'm thinking that DD is going to end up in the PZ too. I can't think of any other way...I just hope they show DD alive and foreshadow the epic battle we all know is looming in the future!

[Bane]

Agreed, and besides that, Clark clearly says when he went up against Titan he has no way of sending them to the Phantom Zone. That's just an incredibly cheap way out of giving them an awesome fight. I don't mind that stuff for other villains, because it's nice to see Clark use his head against them, but Doomsday is a villain he's meant to brawl with, and anything less is just being lazy. As for the soap opera stuff, I'm a guy and I find a few soap operas entertaining, so I don't mind there being a love interest, there has to be, it makes the story that much more compelling.

[galatians221]

Agreed, and besides that, Clark clearly says when he went up against Titan he has no way of sending them to the Phantom Zone. That's just an incredibly cheap way out of giving them an awesome fight. I don't mind that stuff for other villains, because it's nice to see Clark use his head against them, but Doomsday is a villain he's meant to brawl with, and anything less is just being lazy. As for the soap opera stuff, I'm a guy and I find a few soap operas entertaining, so I don't mind there being a love interest, there has to be, it makes the story that much more compelling.

I'm not against an awesome fight but how can it be resolved when DD cannot be permanently killed? He'll just revive and can't be killed again in the same manner. I want CK to go back to fighting Lois and this DD stuff could be the song that never ends.

[optinox]

Theres lots of twists smallville can do with clark and DD, i would speculate to say that most fans wanna see a good brawl, something with lots of action, spfx, decent film time, and choreographed (like the Titan fight) to making DD one of the most important villains clark will ever encounter.

I've said this many times, why do people think just because they brought in DD that smallville has to end it the way in the comics...is everyone forgetting that no matter what version you go by, superman revived and was said to go into a coma like state, they never went into great detail about supes so called death. Death means no coming back, supes revived in the animated movie, plus after 'the death of superman' comic was released, other comics were released that seemed to follow what they explained in the animated movie.

Smallville does not have to go by either source, they've always incorporated some superman mythos, some similarities to the comics or animated tv shows, but are we forgetting the countless number of times they've put in there own twists on the storylines and characters as well.

They could send DD to the phantom zone, but i see that as quick way to get rid of him. In my opinion he'd just kill all the threats there and become even stronger, its like giving Bizzaro green K, i just see putting DD in the phantom zone doing him a favour.

Clark could fly him up and throw into space, where DD lands on the planet Apocoypse, this would fit in with the comics, then many, many, years later DD returns to earth to seek out the one that killed/got rid of him. DD will always adapt and come back as long as theres genetic remains left, so clark won't actually kill him for good, but clark may be able to defeat him now (without being killed or going into a coma), then when DD comes back, being stronger and adapting to clark, it would make sense they have the ultimate battle. Were also forgetting that unless they use green K to weaken clark, the only way this would work is if the brawl was good, clark would have to excert pretty much all his solar reserves, and be exhausted from a fight with an equally strong/stronger opponent. People are forgetting it wasn't just the shear punching power of DD, supes had exerted most of his solar reserves and was exhausted, it was like clark being depowered down (S8, ep1), so again the fight would have to show that as well.

Clark could even fly him up and do a huge pile driver like they did in animated movie, then maybe Jor-El or somehow MM gets his powers back and they fly DD remains somewhere away from earth. Since DD will always adapt from his injuries, the main thing is to get him away from earth. Clark always holds back, even when he was looking for a fight during his enounter with Titan, but clark also realized that he had to turn it up a notch cause Titan was looking to kill clark, the point where clark turned things around to me it seemed he was toying with Titan. However clark also commented that Titan has hit him the hardest. If they had a DD vs clark fight, i don't expect clark to turn the fight around and say "My turn", like when he was toying with Titan. I would assume that clark fighting DD would show DD with the upperhand, but clark also fighting back, since DD is stronger than Titan I wouldn't expect clark to toy with DD, I would say clark may have some struggle but I'd like to see clark become the victor with no help, but a wake up call at what other powerful beings are out there that can be a threat, after he gets rid of DD, maybe this will be the push or the island that Ollie was talking about that makes clark realize that DD was a match for him and he needs to be prepared and ready for the next time. For the writers to duplicate the same storyline when clark becomes superman is ridiculous, i don't think no-one wants to read/see the same ending twice, give clark the win now but with struggle, and keep the storyline ending between DD and superman in the comics/animated movie, instead of repeating the scenario in smallville.

[Bane]

That's the one thing I hate...people always thing Clark/Superman is holding back, and he's not. A lot of the time, when he gets knocked around, it doesn't mean he's holding back, it literally means he's outclassed.

[Tehthing]

Thats the thing, he IS holding back..Darkseid fights he really puts him self into it, DD imo not, he wasted time and focus on saving people, helicopters etc, imo he wasted energy doing ****** things in DD fight wich he could have done much more smarter...

The two biggest Supes and DD has to be the biggest event in Smallville and I hope they deliver..

[galatians221]

Thats the thing, he IS holding back..Darkseid fights he really puts him self into it, DD imo not, he wasted time and focus on saving people, helicopters etc, imo he wasted energy doing ****** things in DD fight wich he could have done much more smarter...

The two biggest Supes and DD has to be the biggest event in Smallville and I hope they deliver..

After three years of Clark and Lana in the barn anything would be an improvement.

[optinox]

go watch the animated show where Darksied upsets supes, i'm not gonna base this on all variations of supes or smallville for this matter, but anyways supes states that he always holds back and is afraid to hurt someone/something. Whether your good or bad, clark in smallville and in most superman variations or sources, he holds back because he doesn't wanna hurt others. Yes he'll take a beating, and maybe not the smartest fighter, but thats what makes supes great, with all the abilities he has and how powerful he can be, clark/supes has flaws, for instance DD is a better fighter than supes, thats one attribute supes lacks against DD, as well others.

Clark will usually be a pushover until you upset him or he has an idea of what he's up against. Being as powerful as he his, and how much stronger he'll be when he becomes supes, clark 98% will feel his opponents out so he has an idea of how much strength to use against them, for instance we've see meteor freaks throw clark around, but i would never compare there power levels to clarks, the main thing is clark would rather apprehend than beat up someone, his compassion and always wanting to find the good in someone is teh reason he holds back.

[galatians221]

go watch the animated show where Darksied upsets supes, i'm not gonna base this on all variations of supes or smallville for this matter, but anyways supes states that he always holds back and is afraid to hurt someone/something. Whether your good or bad, clark in smallville and in most superman variations or sources, he holds back because he doesn't wanna hurt others. Yes he'll take a beating, and maybe not the smartest fighter, but thats what makes supes great, with all the abilities he has and how powerful he can be, clark/supes has flaws, for instance DD is a better fighter than supes, thats one attribute supes lacks against DD, as well others.

Clark will usually be a pushover until you upset him or he has an idea of what he's up against. Being as powerful as he his, and how much stronger he'll be when he becomes supes, clark 98% will feel his opponents out so he has an idea of how much strength to use against them, for instance we've see meteor freaks throw clark around, but i would never compare there power levels to clarks, the main thing is clark would rather apprehend than beat up someone, his compassion and always wanting to find the good in someone is teh reason he holds back.

We should all agree that CK does not know the extent of his power or the totality of what he is capable of. I mean in the movie he reverses the rotation of the earth (which was one of the stupidest things they've ever done) and in Supe Returns he bores down to the center of the earth and flies a chunk about the size of Australia and throws it into the nitro zone. Clark will have to learn on the job and it will be most helpful if Jor El is freed to advise him. I'm sure that is essential to his fighting DD.

[Bane]

The thing about Superman revealing he holds back in JLU is that ever since then, people got this notion that he holds back all the time, which is simply not true. Just because in one cartoon he says he's holding back does not mean in every single comic or other TV show he's holding back.

On a sidenote, I think Clark has a pretty good grip on how powerful he is at the moment, but he's not really at his peak strength just yet. He probably would be if he went & completed his training at the FOS.

[galatians221]

The thing about Superman revealing he holds back in JLU is that ever since then, people got this notion that he holds back all the time, which is simply not true. Just because in one cartoon he says he's holding back does not mean in every single comic or other TV show he's holding back.

On a sidenote, I think Clark has a pretty good grip on how powerful he is at the moment, but he's not really at his peak strength just yet. He probably would be if he went & completed his training at the FOS.

That's why I think the key is for CK to free Jor El. His last words were "I'll be here for you" after CK said he would take on DD. Immediately Jor El was taken over by Brainiac so he's not there for him. I think CK will somehow free Jor El and then he will receive a crash course pre fight counseling session which will include learning how to fly.

[Bane]

That would be incredibly lame. Using Jor-El to bail Clark out of every single problem is not only cliche, but it becomes redundant and boring after a while. He can't just learn to fly, it's not that simple, and I never understood why him flying was so essential to him fighting Doomsday...Doomsday can't fly, he can only jump.

[optinox]

i think Jor-El said that in support of his son, a sign that he loves clark/kal-el. On the other hand, Jor-El didn't seem too concerned that DD could seriously hurt clark, he didn't try to stop clark is what i'm getting at. When i say in most cases supes holds back, i mean he doesn't have to use anywhere near his max power levels with most villains, he's not gonna use the same amount of strength throwing a human than he would say a phantom zoner or something thats not human, as well clark is still developing, he's nowhere near as strong, and his power levels aren't as high now like they will when he gets abit older and does his training. If clark went full tilt like he did in the DD fight in the original comic, for every villain/opponent, many would be dead, supes always holds back because he does not want to hurt others, he seeks good in others even when they are bad. If supes/clark has to not hold back then he will, in most cases supes is just careful and thats why he holds back, however i'm not stating that he does this every single time, its like he can go 60%, but if he wanted to against someone strong/stronger he can go 100%. If clark knew the extent of his powers he'd know how to control them, he's honed the ones he has, but he's never been pushed to he limits, so if your so use to being stuck in that plateu you never get use to using your full potential. I didn't say supes/clark is unstoppable and won't get knocked/thrown around, i'm just saying he chooses how much energy, effort, he puts in, unless he needs to fight knowing he has to use full power against an opponent.

[Brain WT]

I think he has a chance against DD but he first needs to save the fortress sorry if I mispelled that I am not the best at spelling but on to my next question from what we have heard DD can't be killed for good I wouder what the writers will think of let me know your thoughts thanks guys.

[galatians221]

That would be incredibly lame. Using Jor-El to bail Clark out of every single problem is not only cliche, but it becomes redundant and boring after a while. He can't just learn to fly, it's not that simple, and I never understood why him flying was so essential to him fighting Doomsday...Doomsday can't fly, he can only jump.

He's done almost everything in spite of or without Jor El. MM helped him with Bizzaro and Jor El had nothing to do with disposing of General Zod. Clark has finally ended his rebellion against his father and they had their first civil, respectful conversation. Jor El helped him with Chloe's memory. Kal El shared with his father the fact that Doomsday is present and Jor El advised him as to just how grave this threat is. This isn't lame, it's his heritage and he is not yet fully developed as Superman. The Smallville writers have this DD thing way too early as CK can't fly and doesn't know the limits or depths of his powers. Perhaps you are right and he will have to go it alone without Jor El but that means that Brainiac keeps the FOS hostage and Chloe remains a zombie under his control. There's more going on here than just Jor El.

[galatians221]

In the novel & comics, he actually didn't get strong enough to defeat Doomsday, because the fight occured closer to late at night, so he didn't have the advantage of the sun. He had to pull the strength from his reserve tanks. And what makes Doomsday such a tough opponent to fight is that his body is encased in hard bone that's hard to pierce, but over time Superman was able to weaken Doomsday's defenses, and get in a punch that killed him.

Concerning Clark, I think he has a chance, but not as big a chance to win as comic Supes. My reasoning behind this is that Superman in the comics had a little over 30 years of solar radiation stored inside, whereas Clark has only had about 23 years worth of solar radiation stored within.

Lastly, Clark was only surprised by his punch being stopped because he surely didn't expect such an ugly beast to possess strength on or above his level. He'll have his guard up next time for sure, though.

Plus he had witnesses and this further pointed out his need for a disguise. He could change in half a second into some sort of costume and then wham.

[Bane]

It's not that simple, nor does it work that way.

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He's done almost everything in spite of or without Jor El. MM helped him with Bizzaro and Jor El had nothing to do with disposing of General Zod. Clark has finally ended his rebellion against his father and they had their first civil, respectful conversation. Jor El helped him with Chloe's memory. Kal El shared with his father the fact that Doomsday is present and Jor El advised him as to just how grave this threat is. This isn't lame, it's his heritage and he is not yet fully developed as Superman. The Smallville writers have this DD thing way too early as CK can't fly and doesn't know the limits or depths of his powers. Perhaps you are right and he will have to go it alone without Jor El but that means that Brainiac keeps the FOS hostage and Chloe remains a zombie under his control. There's more going on here than just Jor El.

When did I say anything pertaining to Jor-El & Clark's relationship was lame? I love how their bond has become stronger over the years. However, it'd be incredibly lame & cliche to have Jor-El play a part in Clark defeating Doomsday. It's best if Clark does it alone.

[davidbrenton]

Unless it is the Season Finale and DD is banned to the Phantom Zone.

[galatians221]

It's not that simple, nor does it work that way.

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When did I say anything pertaining to Jor-El & Clark's relationship was lame? I love how their bond has become stronger over the years. However, it'd be incredibly lame & cliche to have Jor-El play a part in Clark defeating Doomsday. It's best if Clark does it alone.

He will do it alone but he needs all of his tools and instruction as to how to use them. He needs to know the limits of his powers and while Jor El may be his coach or mentor, it is still up to Kal El to do the deed.

[Bane]

Yes, it is, and after 20 years of having his abilities & learning to use them, I'm sure Clark has a more clear understanding of his current limitations. In any case, I think he should be quite strong enough to handle a fully evolved Doomsday, if he plays his cards right.

[galatians221]

Yes, it is, and after 20 years of having his abilities & learning to use them, I'm sure Clark has a more clear understanding of his current limitations. In any case, I think he should be quite strong enough to handle a fully evolved Doomsday, if he plays his cards right.

Maybe you hadn't noticed, but CK can't even fly. His limitations are that he isn't fully Superman yet. He's just learning about life without Lana in the barn.

[Bane]

Uh, what? I was obviously referring to his other abilities...primarily his strength, speed, & heat vision. He's mastered those abilities quite a bit. I know he can't fly, and that's because he hasn't made an effort to learn over the seasons, and now he just plain doesn't have the time due to him working at the DP & saving people by night.

[galatians221]

Uh, what? I was obviously referring to his other abilities...primarily his strength, speed, & heat vision. He's mastered those abilities quite a bit. I know he can't fly, and that's because he hasn't made an effort to learn over the seasons, and now he just plain doesn't have the time due to him working at the DP & saving people by night.

Superman flies. Clark Kent of Smallville is not yet Superman.

[mr. kal-el lorvan]

Now lets remember here Clark is not at his full potiential yet and neither is Doomsday so Clark doesn't know yet what he is dealing w/ yet. So I think it will be interesting to see how tptb will deal w/ the situation.

[galatians221]

Now lets remember here Clark is not at his full potiential yet and neither is Doomsday so Clark doesn't know yet what he is dealing w/ yet. So I think it will be interesting to see how tptb will deal w/ the situation.

Agreed, but it makes no sense for CK to have to deal with his ultimate foe without all of his abilities. They have rushed this too far too soon imho.

[Bane]

Lol, they haven't rushed anything. Why does he need to be able to fly to defeat Doomsday? No one complained about him not flying when they introduced Zod...or Bizarro, so what's so different now? He has all his other powers, and flight isn't necessary in a battle with Doomsday who can't even fly. Nothing has been rushed, they've taken their sweet time telling Doomsday's story.

[galatians221]

Lol, they haven't rushed anything. Why does he need to be able to fly to defeat Doomsday? No one complained about him not flying when they introduced Zod...or Bizarro, so what's so different now? He has all his other powers, and flight isn't necessary in a battle with Doomsday who can't even fly. Nothing has been rushed, they've taken their sweet time telling Doomsday's story.

If he can't fly then he is not yet Superman. The mythos is Superman fighting his greatest adversary called Doomsday. Clark hasn't fully escaped the barn yet and if he cannot fly then he is not yet Superman.

[Bane]

First of all, Lex Luthor is Superman's greatest adversary, not Doomsday. Second of all, of course he isn't Superman yet, he's still developing to that point. As I said before, your argument makes no sense.

[galatians221]

First of all, Lex Luthor is Superman's greatest adversary, not Doomsday. Second of all, of course he isn't Superman yet, he's still developing to that point. As I said before, your argument makes no sense.

I suppose I haven't explained myself well. I'm opposed to the whole arc of Doomsday fighting Clark Kent at this stage of his development. We all know that Doomsday killed Superman when he was at the peak of his powers and now, while some say that Doomsday also isn't at peak power, it isn't consistent with the mythos. I guess I'm basically upset that they've delayed this flight situation and now are proceeding with Doomsday and making Clark go up against him without all of his powers. I hope that makes better sense.

[Iluvgreen]

If we believe in him, he will own Doomsday's face.... :o Just believe!!!!!!!!!!

[galatians221]

If we believe in him, he will own Doomsday's face.... :o Just believe!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so in love with the Clois arc and the Daily Planet crime fighting angle that I see all of this Doomsday stuff as a major setback to the real story. I don't want Superman fighting intergalactic monsters that are eating people; it's just too comic booky. I want to pretend that Clark Kent is a strange visitor from an unknown planet with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men. I don't want other visitors from unknown planets with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men. I want Superman to be unique and amazing and not one of many freaks roaming the earth and wreaking havoc. Soon we will see Rodan or Godzilla vs. Superman. Sheesh.

[Chulance]

Yeah Doomsday shouldn't be here yet and Davis shouldn't exist they should have done him like the comics.Clark needs flight it's one of his main advantages and no freeze breath,telescopic breath, and his vision abilties.

[puddinpiester]

Clark is not yet Superman and Davis is not yet all out Doomsday. As Clark looks the part, so does Davis when he is all villained out. But neither have put in the time/sweat equity yet to be fully what they will become. Clark has been in his "skin" longer than Davis has been in Doomsday's "skin." Clark has had more experience and "get to know thy self" time than Davis. So, yes, right now Clark has the advantage. That advantage will slip away as Doomsday's body develops "immunity" to being killed more ways. Not that defeating Doomsday will be easy for Clark, but it is do-able.

[galatians221]

Clark is not yet Superman and Davis is not yet all out Doomsday. As Clark looks the part, so does Davis when he is all villained out. But neither have put in the time/sweat equity yet to be fully what they will become. Clark has been in his "skin" longer than Davis has been in Doomsday's "skin." Clark has had more experience and "get to know thy self" time than Davis. So, yes, right now Clark has the advantage. That advantage will slip away as Doomsday's body develops "immunity" to being killed more ways. Not that defeating Doomsday will be easy for Clark, but it is do-able.

If the dude can never stay dead it's hard for me to see how CK can "defeat" him. It's the song that never ends. Can DD commit suicide?

[puddinpiester]

There are ways to defeat an opponent without killing him/it. Banishment or neutralization of some sort will do just dandy. I also suspect that Faora and Zod built in an "escape hatch" in case their son decided to kill them. At least SV Doomsday. The suicide question is a good one. I'd speculate and say no suicide won't stick either. Can he be disasembled?

[RedKRules]

Supes .... I mean the farm boy will bite the dust again for sure :D ..... GO DOOM!!

[galatians221]

Supes .... I mean the farm boy will bite the dust again for sure :D ..... GO DOOM!!

I take it that you'e not in favor of a season 9????

[RedKRules]

No, I am not ... but it doesn´t have anything to do with fact I want to see a GOOD FIGHT between the farm boy and Doom :) :lol:

[Chulance]

DD will utterly kill Clark he better do his training.Bane if he's not superman he can't beat DD

[puddinpiester]

But, has Davis fully embraced his doomsdayshipdom? He only very recently learned about his genetics and his destiny. Gotta take some getting use to that new body of his or is he just suddenly Doomsday and there is no Davis left? Perhaps he isn't fully matured or fully the monster of comic lore as CK isn't fully Superman yet????? SV is not exactly comic book. I have to believe that there is a way for CK to survive.

[galatians221]

But, has Davis fully embraced his doomsdayshipdom? He only very recently learned about his genetics and his destiny. Gotta take some getting use to that new body of his or is he just suddenly Doomsday and there is no Davis left? Perhaps he isn't fully matured or fully the monster of comic lore as CK isn't fully Superman yet????? SV is not exactly comic book. I have to believe that there is a way for CK to persevere.

Why not let them both grow up and in particular for Clark to quit hanging around the barn? Let's see more of Clois and crime fighting from his perch at the DP. We don't need to see him fighting intergalactic lizards. That's too comic book for me. Smallville has always been a drama and the less comic like the better as far as I'm concerned.

[galatians221]

Yeah Doomsday shouldn't be here yet and Davis shouldn't exist they should have done him like the comics.Clark needs flight it's one of his main advantages and no freeze breath,telescopic breath, and his vision abilties.

Agreed. The focus at this point should be on CLois and fighting crime from his vantage point at the DP as "The Blur". The other comic book stuff is a diversion.

[Bane]

DD will utterly kill Clark he better do his training.Bane if he's not superman he can't beat DD

This is obviously a whole new take, obviously, no one said he has to be Superman to defeat Doomsday. Lol, you all act as if Doomsday has been around as long as Supes has...they only had one encounter in the comcis where Superman dies...so this whole Clark needs to all of a sudden become Superman is ridiculous.

Btw, Clark already has all of his vision abilities. The only two powers he hasn't developed just yet are flight & freeze breath.

[galatians221]

This is obviously a whole new take, obviously, no one said he has to be Superman to defeat Doomsday. Lol, you all act as if Doomsday has been around as long as Supes has...they only had one encounter in the comcis where Superman dies...so this whole Clark needs to all of a sudden become Superman is ridiculous.

Btw, Clark already has all of his vision abilities. The only two powers he hasn't developed just yet are flight & freeze breath.

Well, if he can't make the earth spin backwards on its axis what good is he??