Chloe, Bride of Doomsday?

[Vindellavon]

After watching Bride, I think symbolically Chloe was the bride of Doomsday. Meaning, at the end when the music's playing and Doomy's carrying her down the pathway, didn't it seem a bit soft and romantic? Dark FOS seemed to be the church, and the slab of ice where Doomsday placed Chloe on was the altar. And when she finally opened her eyes and smiled up at her "hero," a symbolic way of saying "I Do". And Brainiac, the preist, the one to finalize it all. I assume Brianiac knew the only way to fully release Doomsday was to have the love of his life break his heart. And finally he was unleashed, and to make sure it all went according to plan, "made" Doomy bring Chloe to FOS not only fully take over her, but make it look like as if though she truly loved the monster in front of her. Meaning; Clark: -500, Doomsday: 200, Chloe: 0, and Brianiac: Infinity. Don't think Chimmy wedding had anything to do with it, everything and anything was on Doomy, Chloe, and Brainiac.

Discuss.

[lm1212]

Yep, "The episode title refers to Chloe Sullivan being the bride, both to Jimmy Olsen actually; and spiritually in the eyes of Davis Bloome/Doomsday to himself."

[williwompa]

Was thinking kinda along same lines. Explains to me why her memory of Clark's truth was wiped. Can't quite have the gf/wife of his enemy knowing all his info like that. I did have no question about that memero wipe thing tho. She knew for a long time, and been engrained in so much they did. So does she just not remmeber like the last 5 years,

[Disco_Lemonade]

I was wondering the same thing williwompa, Chloe's psyche is basically her quest for the truth with Clark (and basically covering it up too for Clark's benefit). Did the FOS manufacture fake memories for her like Brainiac did, does she not remember the past five years, or does she just have these huge gaps in her memory. Either way, I still think its mind rape, and I'm still not happy about it.

But williwompa did raise a good point, could the mind wipe have been orchestrated for two separate reasons, turn the FOS into an evil headquarters and get Chloe and Davis closer. Since she did still have some memories... or so I think... they just all revolved around Chloe and Davis. Chloom though, so much more chemistry than Chimmy will ever have.


And completely off topic. Im1212, best AVI EVER!!! :rotfl:

[LoisLaneKicksAss]

huh. interesting. that makes sense.

[ginnyfan]

Well it made me understand Chloe's Bride of Frankenstein reference. I certainly wouldn't say that Chimmy has nothing to do with the episode title but... I do think the title refers to both Chloe's wedding to Jimmy and the weirdness with Doomsday at the end.

[Black Panda]

In that it's like an ultimate nightmare scenario, yes. They clearly plaid up the bride of Frankenstein imagery. I'm not super familiar with that story though, so I don't know what associations I should draw.

[Vindellavon]

Not just Frankenstein, but dark Clark also. Anyone think maybe Doomsday's what Clark would've eventually become if he wasn't found and raised?

[ginnyfan]

That's an interesting question. Clark would have been found. But if he'd been found by people who were afraid of him... maybe. He might have been given to science. There's still the power of choice. Clark isn't an evil created creature that must kill no matter what. If Davis could rise above his childhood and choose to help humanity... so could Clark.

[Vindellavon]

That's an interesting question. Clark would have been found. But if he'd been found by people who were afraid of him... maybe. He might have been given to science. There's still the power of choice. Clark isn't an evil created creature that must kill no matter what. If Davis could rise above his childhood and choose to help humanity... so could Clark.

I agree with this. We already saw that Doomsday had feelings, and can obviously "talk." So maybe in a way Clark can aid him from becoming a further monstrosity and to a savior.

[ginnyfan]

That's certainly a possibility. I'm sure Faora and Zod didn't bargain on Davis falling in love. He had a very loveless life before Chloe so... as much as some viewers would despise Doomsday being in love... it's possible that... his love for Chloe is a chink in Doomsday's armor.

Discounting the love angle, maybe Clark could somehow break through to the human side of Davis. I wonder, though, if Davis' human side is fading.

[Vindellavon]

Discounting the love angle, maybe Clark could somehow break through to the human side of Davis. I wonder, though, if Davis' human side is fading.

I think the only way his human side to completely fade away is for Chloe to never be present. I think it's chloe who's keeping him on his toes, keeping him stable enough. Sure, he's already risen hell, but I think it's minimum damage so far, the true wrath of Doomsday will be the day Clark kent takes away his "bride." Also, Clark may not be the only one to break through to him, maybe it's Chloe's job, and if she can break through to him, the tables would turn on Brainiac.

[Smalvil1]

definetly not. he just took her to the fortress to be taken over by brainiac. no symbolic weddings.

[Vindellavon]

definetly not. he just took her to the fortress to be taken over by brainiac. no symbolic weddings.

I beg to differ. I don't think Doomsday knew where Brainiac was, but was somehow "led" there. As a sign, that Brainiac accepts Doomsday and Chloe together, but actually taking advantage of the monster by taking over his bride.

[Smalvil1]

I beg to differ. I don't think Doomsday knew where Brainiac was, but was somehow "led" there. As a sign, that Brainiac accepts Doomsday and Chloe together, but actually taking advantage of the monster by taking over his bride.

of course he didnt know where brainiac was. he was led there by brainic, but not because braniac accepted them or whatever. brainiac just wants a vessel.

[Mars Investigations]

Not sure..guess we just have to wait and see for a definitive answer.

[luthorian]

Like I said on the other thread they should've gotten married in FOS, it was a perfect setting for a doomy wedding ;)

[Vindellavon]

of course he didnt know where brainiac was. he was led there by brainic, but not because braniac accepted them or whatever. brainiac just wants a vessel.

Yes, Brainiac did want a vessel, and I think he tricked Doomsday into thinking that's all he wanted. See, there's two part from my point of view. Brainiac wants nothing but a vessel, and Doomsday wants nothing but Chloe. Chloe is a perfect vessel for Brainiac, and Chloe's a perfect person for Doomsday. IMO, in Doomsday's eyes, Braniac leading him to FOS was a sign of approval. To Braniac, he could careless what Doomy thinks, he just wants Chloe ripe and ready.


Like I said on the other thread they should've gotten married in FOS, it was a perfect setting for a doomy wedding ;)

Symbolically, I think they did. Perfection. Doomsday and Chloe was EPIC. :cool:

[Smalvil1]

Yes, Brainiac did want a vessel, and I think he tricked Doomsday into thinking that's all he wanted. See, there's two part from my point of view. Brainiac wants nothing but a vessel, and Doomsday wants nothing but Chloe. Chloe is a perfect vessel for Brainiac, and Chloe's a perfect person for Doomsday. IMO, in Doomsday's eyes, Braniac leading him to FOS was a sign of approval. To Braniac, he could careless what Doomy thinks, he just wants Chloe ripe and ready.




well yeah, the davis part of doomsday wants chloe. but chloe and davis had a connection this season because they both harbor two of supermans greatest villains. brainiac wants his host back to bring doomsday to fruition. dont know what any of that has to do with a chloomsday wedding.

[Vindellavon]

well yeah, the davis part of doomsday wants chloe. but chloe and davis had a connection this season because they both harbor two of supermans greatest villains. brainiac wants his host back to bring doomsday to fruition. dont know what any of that has to do with a chloomsday wedding.

It's symbolic, not technical. Symbolically, the bride Chloe was not for groom Jimmy, but for Doomsday. Kind of cliche, true groom pops up at the recption ready to take his bride away, and when all seems to be going to hell, it kind of doesn't. Like I said on my first post, it's as if though Doomsday was carrying her with care and affection, not a scratch on her face. IMO, it looked like a wedding. you may've seen it differently, but I sw it as a wedding. And her smile in the end, a form of "I Do." :cool:

[Bizarrolover]

Chloe the bride of Doomsday? Symbolic of not, I hope there is no consumation. *shudders*

[Kalista]

Vindella I agree but I will add that the "altar" could also symbolize the marriage bed.

The focus wasn't really on Chimmy at all and that's probably why we didn't see the actual ceremony or their walk down the aisle.

[Black Panda]

Vindella I agree but I will add that the "altar" could also symbolize the marriage bed.

It's an interesting contrast to the way Clark "carried Chloe over the threshold" last week, and then tried to sacrifice her memories so she could have a happy life with Jimmy. Davis is doing the opposite, crashing the wedding, stealing the bride.

[Krypto~Luan]

Could chloe soom bear a Doomsday offspring? Your thoughts? Just an idea of mine, want to know what you think. would it be too similar of a plot point like Lana's nonexsitant baby?

[devilneedsaride]

That is a disturbing thought on so many levels.

And no, I don't think it would be too much like Lana's lack of baby. That was all about showing Lex's real final descent into somebody who extensively manipulates even the person he loves and giving Lana a reason to go all psycho in season 7. A real bloomsday/chloiac love child would be a completely different thing. Also, *shudder*

[LovelyLoisLane]

Probably look like Clayface if she did.

Ah, no. I don't think so. I think Doomsday is more interested in an alliance with Brainiac, or rather Brainiac is interested in using the weapon that is Doomsday through Chloe as the vessel.

Not for breeding a super villain or anything.

[Stu.Kent]

That is a disturbing thought on so many levels.


agreed, the very thought of it is creeping me out

[Doomsday666]

I just got a horrible picture in my head.

[Krypto~Luan]

:lol: thats the reaction I was hoping for. I dont think it will happen (im avoiding spoilers so don't tell me anything) But it was an interesting thought i have been sitting on scince Bride.

[RedKRules]

I don´t think that is going to happen.....

[LovelyLoisLane]

I don´t think that is going to happen.....

Me either.

This is a gross question, but uh, does D-day even have the goods for that sort of thing?

[Krypto~Luan]

Me either.

This is a gross question, but uh, does D-day even have the goods for that sort of thing?

omg! :eek:Ew, i never said that her and Doomsday were gonna...ya know. You forget davis exsist. Im sure has has....(trying not to be suggestive)


Ps. Ive seen Pix of Doomsday, he wears pant ...so i would assume....>_>

[RedKRules]

If you are talking about Davis and Chloe..... then I get your point :lol:

[LoveHurts38]

I hope not.

[Doomsday666]

Oh God I got A Even Worse Picture In My Head

[alejandrita439]

I don´t think that is going to happen.....

same here...

[Krypto~Luan]

If you are talking about Davis and Chloe..... then I get your point :lol:

:lol: yeah not
This:http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp31/EvenstarRegenerated/chloe4.jpg http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p106/protosyke/doomsday.jpg

[RedKRules]

NO!!!!! I was talking about Chloe and hot, tall, dark sexy paramedic !!!! :lol:

[Doomsday666]

Hell yes SEXY Paramedic

[Shadowlord367]

My mind just went into the gutter.

There has to be a reason why Doomsday has all those bony protrusions.

[A_Chloe.S._Fan]

Oh my god, that would be awesome!!!

[Genevieve]

Could chloe soom bear a Doomsday offspring? Your thoughts? Just an idea of mine, want to know what you think. would it be too similar of a plot point like Lana's nonexsitant baby?


I was thinking that it was Brainiac's plan to have Chloom procreate so that there'd be a new vessel for Zod. Chloe would be a Zod vessel's baby mamma. I don't think it will happen though, at least I hope not. Chloe's already had her memories taken against her will, I'd hate to think SV would go there and have her body taken against her will as well. That's a bit dark, even for SV.

[eas]

^ I like your avi. That was a great scene.

To answer the original question, I hope not...

But let's not kid ourselves, it wouldn't be the first time that "SV" has gone the "mating to take over the world" route.

[princessdiana]

New around here and thinking yuk for a Little Doom with mommy Chloe but if you go on Wiki under either Doomsday or Brainiac that is exactly what Brainiac does in one of the comic series but with Pete Ross and Lana Lang's baby. He wants a better version of Doomsday with a little more brain power and somehow he attempts to grow himself one by IVF or something in Lana. Scary. So maybe they are going that route but with Chloe.

[smallvillefreak24]

That is a disturbing thought on so many levels.

And no, I don't think it would be too much like Lana's lack of baby. That was all about showing Lex's real final descent into somebody who extensively manipulates even the person he loves and giving Lana a reason to go all psycho in season 7. A real bloomsday/chloiac love child would be a completely different thing. Also, *shudder*

ICK!!! btw i think lana totally overreacted to that whole thing and i hate that she went psycho but on the thread note i believe that would be beyond creepy and they shant do that to us

[Sweetie]

It would be extremely disturbing considering that Doomsday's attraction for Chloe is because of Brainiac.But,in Smallville everything is possible.I hope they won't go that route though...Chloiac+Doomsday=brainy boney little monsters running loose :D

[LovelyLoisLane]

That's certainly a possibility. I'm sure Faora and Zod didn't bargain on Davis falling in love. He had a very loveless life before Chloe so... as much as some viewers would despise Doomsday being in love... it's possible that... his love for Chloe is a chink in Doomsday's armor.

Discounting the love angle, maybe Clark could somehow break through to the human side of Davis. I wonder, though, if Davis' human side is fading.

I would be horrified if they did that. I see Davis as a seperate person from Doomsday, like two souls in one body. Davis is the one with feelings for Chloe while Doomsday is a killing machine.

I'd like to see them seperated somehow into two seperate beings so Davis can be a nice guy and Doomsday can continue being the scourge of the universe.

I love this season but indeed I would be very upset if they made Doomsday the 'least' bit romantic.

I'd much rather have Davis be, like I said, another soul inside Doomsday that can be reasoned with.

[CLSmith]

If Unbreakable Lex were around he'd agree 100% with the double meaning of the title though he saw every episode title having a double meaning.

-cs™

[lm1212]

My mind just went into the gutter.

There has to be a reason why Doomsday has all those bony protrusions.

HAHA :rotfl:

[Tompouce]

Allusion to Frankenstein seems obvious to me...

[Iluvgreen]

Thats way too wierd! She got married to Jimmy Olsen!

[Vindellavon]

Thats way too wierd! She got married to Jimmy Olsen!

Too bad Jimmy-boy didn't get to see her smile at the FOS. Matter fact, I'm disappointed Clark didn't get to see her smile up at Doomy. Ah, if only. She may have technically married Jimmy, but symbolically, she's Doomsday's bride.

[AChloeChick]

I too think the marriage was symbolic, while Chloe's bride of Frakenstien (sp?) and Lois's sleeping with the enemy lines were foreshadowing.

We never heard the vows being exchanged and we never heard them called Mr. and Mrs. Olsen (THANK God).

From what I can tell, there was A LOT going on that didn't have anything to do with Chimmy.

[Vindellavon]

^ I agree. In fact, I think the Chimmy wedding was just a facade for the real "wedding" in the end.

[justme_007]

agree. bride was not about chimmy weeding.

[Veilleuse]

It's an interesting contrast to the way Clark "carried Chloe over the threshold" last week, and then tried to sacrifice her memories so she could have a happy life with Jimmy. Davis is doing the opposite, crashing the wedding, stealing the bride.In "Abyss" it's Clark carrying Chloe over the threshold, but doing so to let go of her. In "Bride" we see Doomsday carrying her over the threshold because he (err, the Davis persona anyway) refuses to let her go (with that "Don't Take Your Love Away From Me" song playing in the background).

Bloomsday bringing her to the dark FOS also gave Chloe back what Clark took from her, all that secret, dangerous knowledge. Following in the motife, got it back in about the darkest way possible, by her getting fully possessed by Brainiac (if those eyes and that creepy smile were any indication) with all his/its vast universe of knowledge.

In a way, what Clark did to her was sort of like the anti-serpent in the Garden of Eden. Instead of tempting Eve with knowledge, he took it all away, so Chloe could have "a normal life". Brainiac - as the quintessential serpent - granted the knowledge back to her and in doing so Chloe falls by turning completely into Brainiac. However, in regards to Chloiac (and Doomsday), as the Bible passage goes (in the words of the Serpent), "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." Her eyes were certainly opened alright, the moment we saw them, we saw she'd become a god. Being gazed on by another god in Doomsday hovering over her. Basically, Chloaic as god!Eve and Doomsday as god!Adam. Of course, Adam & Eve's godly euphoria didn't last long before the horror of what they'd done set in.

You're probably saying there was no temptation here by Brainiac as Chloe was unconscious when she was brought to the dark FOS, so the metaphor doesn't exactly fit. However, I actually think there was temptation from Brainiac, but earlier, in that Chloe - claiming she was trying to "look at [Brainiac's abilities/knowledge] as a gift" - persisted using the 'gifts' despite where/how she got them. IMO, that was the temptation, which Chloe succumb. Although Clark tried to save her from it (by erasing her knowledge of his life), the dangers found Chloe anyway... in the form of her unstoppable symbolic groom of Doomsday.

I also thought the ep was saying, no matter what Clark does to try to protect Chloe from his secret, Chloe is (symbolically) inescapably married into this life. However, Clark having given up his place as the symbolic groom in her life as a means to protect her (and give her up to a "normal" and literal groom of human Jimmy for a "normal" human life), another symbolic groom - this one impossibly strong, dark and monstrous - charged in like a hulking, spiky gorilla and took his, Clark's, place. I'm not even intending to put a Chlark spin on it. From Clark's actions at the end of "Abyss", immediately followed up by what happens in "Bride"? From Chlark to Chlavis, Chlavis in a very real way is like a dark mirror to Chlark (and Clois). It just fits.

However, you can see the monstrous, hulking Doomsday as a metaphor for that truth and knowledge (that Clark, imo wrongly, tried to take from Chloe). Talk about destiny getting a point across in how Chloe MUST be part of this secret world. However Clark tries to keep her from it, it quite literally rampages onto the scene and makes a beeline right for her. The knowledge is indeed dangerous, yet it's also inevitable and unstoppable and Clark can't keep it from her. Destiny, truth and knowledge apparently always finds a way to Chloe. It's sort of poetic, granted in a totally nightmarish sort of way.

[zorasuperman]

yes it does make sense

[Vindellavon]

yes it does make sense

I believe Chloom makes a lot of sense.

[Atomic girl]

However, you can see the monstrous, hulking Doomsday as a metaphor for that truth and knowledge (that Clark, imo wrongly, tried to take from Chloe). Talk about destiny getting a point across in how Chloe MUST be part of this secret world. However Clark tries to keep her from it, it quite literally rampages onto the scene and makes a beeline right for her. The knowledge is indeed dangerous, yet it's also inevitable and unstoppable and Clark can't keep it from her. Destiny, truth and knowledge apparently always finds a way to Chloe. It's sort of poetic, granted in a totally nightmarish sort of way.I liked your whole post but it was so long so I just kept the last paragraph. Yes it is sort of poetic, it's easier to think along those lines when you have a Davis Bloom (nice guy paramedic) behind that "monster", that doesn't want to be that "monster".

[Veilleuse]

I liked your whole post but it was so long so I just kept the last paragraph. Yes it is sort of poetic, it's easier to think along those lines when you have a Davis Bloom (nice guy paramedic) behind that "monster", that doesn't want to be that "monster".
If we do run with the Forbidden Fruit idea of knowledge = power (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis%203;&version=9;)? It will both make you a god, but also kill you / cast you out of the Garden (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis%203;&version=9;) (aka, Paradise, as Milton would call it)? It does seem to me Chloe can't escape that knowledge, no matter how Clark might try to keep her from it. He tried to block it from her memories, but it all came back. Literally charging back like this unstoppable force, represented in Doomsday. Another "god" in the story (alongside Clark and Chloiac, at least in this arc).

In regards to cast out of the Garden, it could be an interesting parallel to what we learn in "Legion" and Chloe apparently lost in history. Seemingly not connected at all to Superman's, Lois', Lana's or Jimmy's histories. It does make me wonder, considering this spec, if Chloe doesn't actually die, but goes away from the Garden or the realm of God (the world of Superman and those directly associated and within his world) and is finally able to live a normal human life. Genuinely "free of the burden of [Clark's] secret" as Clark called it. However, not as punishment as it had been for Adam & Eve, but as protection? Like Isis and her son had to hide from Osiris' murderous brother Set or Mary Magdalene (in Gnostic belief, wife of Jesus) had to flee execution and whose importance was lost in history? Apparently like Chloe who will also be lost in the history of Superman. Despite her obvious importance in a young Clark's life (exclusively in the "Smallville" storyline), pre-Superman.

In 3009, something as trivial as Clark's high school letter jacket survives and there's a great mystery about a missing baseball, but apparently there isn't a single scrap of information about Chloe Sullivan? Who I'd say (at least in "Smallville" terms) is vastly more important than a jacket or a baseball. Which, to me, suggests not an accidental loss, but a very deliberate one. I'd guess it's Clark himself - once again - trying to protect her and going through very extensive lengths to do it. Instead of erasing or blocking just Chloe's memories, he erases her completely from his life. Considering the particular themes discussed in this thread and specifically the title? I'd probably keep a very close eye on the development of Chloe's relationship with Davis (despite Davis' deep connection to the villain Doomsday, Clark isn't the only potentially messianic hero in this story). Most especially if her story at all reflects Isis or the Gnostic take on Mary Magdalene for the reasons why (possibly) Clark (and those around him history won't forget) felt the need to deliberately and thoroughly make Chloe disappear from his history as, in theory, to protect her.

[boredlittlestudent]

In 3009, something as trivial as Clark's high school letter jacket survives and there's a great mystery about a missing baseball, but apparently there isn't a single scrap of information about Chloe Sullivan? Who I'd say (at least in "Smallville" terms) is vastly more important than a jacket or a baseball. Which, to me, suggests not an accidental loss, but a very deliberate one. I'd guess it's Clark himself - once again - trying to protect her and going through very extensive lengths to do it. Instead of erasing or blocking just Chloe's memories, he erases her completely from his life. Considering the particular themes discussed in this thread and specifically the title? I'd probably keep a very close eye on the development of Chloe's relationship with Davis (despite Davis' deep connection to the villain Doomsday, Clark isn't the only potentially messianic hero in this story). Most especially if her story at all reflects Isis or the Gnostic take on Mary Magdalene for the reasons why (possibly) Clark (and those around him history won't forget) felt the need to deliberately and thoroughly make Chloe disappear from his history as, in theory, to protect her.

wow... i haven't thought about that at all... but it would definatly explain why noone remmebers her, eventhough she was not only lois cousin, but jimmies wife and clarks best friend...:eek: