All talk of Heroes vs Smallville, no other threads please

[Cuban J]

Just finished watching season premiere of Heroes. Talk about weird. It seemed like M. Night Shymalan had a field day writing it (wait he didnt write it)

And Smallville is still the best show in my book. Heroes is getting weird. I still like it and the villains aspect willl be cool, but it will never beat Smallville

Just thought id say that :p

[SnowBird]

I tried to watch Heroes tonight but since I missed quite a few episodes, it didn't make sense to me and was wierd. I changed channels after about 20 minutes. I agree, Smallville is much better.

[bizzaroboy9]

nuff said!
im soo p***ed off with my friends. theyre beating up on me about how much heroes is so much better than smallville. they never even watched the show. ugh theyre so retarted! i cant stand this!

[minerva73]

Depends on the episode IMO.

Like if I compare Odyssey and The Second Coming, I prefer the Heroes episode. But if I compare Apocalypse and Parasite (both 18th episodes), I LOVE Apocalypse and would easily choose it over Parasite. JMO.

[Vergon6]

Yeah it really does depend on the episode. I think they are like apples and oranges personally. Heroes is in a completely different TV network context than Smallville for starters.

[minerva73]

Yeah, I can see why they could be like apples and oranges. Smallville revolves around one character, Clark Kent, and how all of the other characters are binded together by him (in some way) and how they all grow/don't grow because of him.

On the other hand, Heroes is about numerous people with different abilities aren't really bonded except by a list and how they cope with their powers that they have. Half of the main characters don't even interact on a daily basis in Heroes. Like Hiro and Claire barely have scenes together...

[ginnyfan]

I watched the season premiere of Heroes and my head hurt. I've just re-watched the season 2 finale and I feel a little better. It was rather convoluted but... *sigh* I'm not giving up on Heroes yet. I wouldn't say Smallville is better but I'd say writing wise they may be on different ends of the spectrum. Smallville sometimes forgets logic, Heroes may be complex to the point of confusion at times.

[Clark/Lois-fan]

I've tried watching the pilot & other episodes- but I found myself changing channels after about 15 mins. I couldn't get interested in the show. Smallville is IMO a much much better show :D

[Estro-gen X]

heroes is just as much mystery as sci fi. Smallville is very upfront and self contained. I thought the 2 hour heroes premiere was awesome and set up a lot of questions.

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

Heroes is suffering the Lost lurgey as of late i.e. same bloody story but this time a bit more confusing and with more characters.

[yaseen101]

I predict that in about ten seconds some one will come here and says Heroes is much better and rest of the posts in this forum will follow suit or neutral. Seriously that's what I always saw when I first visited K-Site.

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[coldstatic]

for me its a tossup. smallville gives me my childish excitement/superman feeling, but doesnt have too many complex storylines... heroes is so much more adult. there is not near as many cheesy moments and the storylines are way more thought out... heroes is like 500 piece puzzle while smallville is like a 100 piece puzzle, i like both puzzles but for different reasons... and i loved the season premier of heroes, although i also did recieve a bit of pressure to the brain lol


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for me its a tossup. smallville gives me my childish excitement/superman feeling, but doesnt have too many complex storylines... heroes is so much more adult. there is not near as many cheesy moments and the storylines are way more thought out... heroes is like 500 piece puzzle while smallville is like a 100 piece puzzle, i like both puzzles but for different reasons... and i loved the season premier of heroes, although i also did recieve a bit of pressure to the brain lol



i like them both in their own ways....

[ginnyfan]

for me its a tossup. smallville gives me my childish excitement/superman feeling, but doesnt have too many complex storylines... heroes is so much more adult. there is not near as many cheesy moments and the storylines are way more thought out... heroes is like 500 piece puzzle while smallville is like a 100 piece puzzle, i like both puzzles but for different reasons... and i loved the season premier of heroes, although i also did recieve a bit of pressure to the brain lol


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i like them both in their own ways....

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I mean... I agree.

[coldstatic]

lol sorry i kept screwing up on my edit :lol:

[Who]

I liked both shows very much. I've always liked Smallville better though. Maybe I'm just more of a Superman fan.

[coldstatic]

I promise you that if i actually saw a trace of superman in smallville i would like it ten times more. and towards the end of Odyssey thats what i started to see.. im hoping s8 will repair the series and be something amazing this year

[Mar-El]

Heroes is of a higher quality than Smallville, IMO - but that may have a lot to do with several reasons: Heroes has a much bigger budget, better writers, and is only in its third season. Furthermore, Heroes is on a bigger network and much better advertised than Smallville.

Personally, I prefer Smallville because of how the show makes me feel, regardless of which show is actually "better". It can be analyzed to a certain extent. Obviously a show with a bigger budget isn't automatically better, but it does allow more of a possibility for a show to be better than one with a smaller budget. Otherwise, saying one show is better than the other is a matter of subjective preference.

[RedKRules]

Heroes is good, but Smallville is my baby :lol:

[Dor el]

Heroes seems to have a more generous budget. The story, however, is definitely not to my tastes. I tried to watch it a few times, and even with someone watching with me who could explain things I may have missed, I still could not get into Heroes. Smallville is way better to me. I have to wonder what SV could be with a decent budget.

[coldstatic]

a bigger budget wouldn't change the storywriting... all it would do is make better effects. which i like smallvilles flying better than heroes most of the time anyways

[hiler1988]

Smallville in my opinion has a much better storyline, Superman's youth is more appealing to me personally but Heroes is an awesome show...the likes of Greg Beeman and Jeph Loeb are over there working on the creative side of the show which is always good to know...They helped make Smallville what it is and now they can develop Heroes.

[Mar-El]

a bigger budget wouldn't change the storywriting... all it would do is make better effects. which i like smallvilles flying better than heroes most of the time anyways

Although this sometimes differs in practice, theoretically speaking a bigger budget could afford better writers and therefore better storylines.

The one thing that bugs me about Smallville's writing in particular is the amount of inconsistencies and plotholes in a lot of episodes, with lots of things happening in offscreenville and leaving it up to the fans to piece it all together. YMMV.

[MetroGirl06]

Heroes and Smallville are on different levels of smarts. I don't really see how people can compare the two shows just because they are both based on people with powers?

I agree, the Heroes premier was a bit weird, but I think the series as a whole is really impressive.

[MetropolisGirl4SV]

Smallville, Smallville and wait did I forget to mention Smallville.;)

Ok on a more serious note Smallville is a better show for me than Heros bcs I feel I can relate to it more than Heros... and I love Supes even tho he has to wear panties over the suit.:lol:I guess...I seem to incline to Smallville, maybe bcs of my Superman familiarity.

While Heros is this dark,crazy confusing :confused: but brilliant show,I don't go crazy over it if I miss a episode, unlike SV where I'm kicking myself for missing it...lol This is a very subjective matter, but for me in the end whats better for me is...can yah guess? Smallville;) Peace!

[Fat Elvis 007]

I think both shows have similar weaknesses. Cheesy dialogue, failed attempts at long storyarcs, and repetitive storylines (seriously, Heroes? ANOTHER freakin' apocalyptic event that can only be stopped by people from the future?!). But overall, I still think "Heroes" is a better show, even though I am more attached to "Smallville."

[smallvillefreak24]

no doubt!

[HeartChakraBabe]

Heroes is kinda interesting, but it's got way too much going on. It gets confusing, and you never really get to know the characters because they're constantly jumping from one to the next. In the end, I much prefer Smallville. I can get into it more, and I relate to it better.

[badwolf]

In my opinion, Heroes is way better then Smallville. But that's only because I feel that on Heroes the characters are more relatable then on Smallville.

[MetroGirl06]

Its confusing to me how people can relate more to a big dumb alien than normal people who get powers? Interesting.

[badwolf]

Its confusing to me how people can relate more to a big dumb alien than normal people who get powers? Interesting.

The characters on Heroes are more relatable because of their struggle to find a purpose, a meaning into a world where they are hunted and ridiculed. And come on let's be realistic here, it's been proven that the gentics of a human's DNA is growing so rapidly that there is no doubt that there are people out there with extrodinary abilities. I mean we have already seen that there are actual mindreaders/psychics in the world. There are people that have possessed super human strength. Woman have been known to lift cars off their children in time of need and desperation, we've also have had people out there that have been able to heal rapidly without an explanation at all.

And with Smallville? Honestly, a bunch of metor rocks? Come on. I mean don't get me wrong, I love Smallville, but Heroes has more depth.

[mistaguitarmasta]

Yeah, I like Smallville more overall. Being a lifelong Superman fan, I get a thrill out of watching Clark develop (however slowly) into Superman. Especially recently. (Can anyone say "Apocalypse" and "Odyssey"?!) Heroes is awesome. I'm a fan and I watch regularly. But Smallville wins for the excitement factor and the fanboy attachment I feel for it.

[skylar]

Smallville to me is a better show. You can connect to the characters on the show, and you have the ships.

[coldstatic]

Yeah, I like Smallville more overall. Being a lifelong Superman fan, I get a thrill out of watching Clark develop (however slowly) into Superman. Especially recently. (Can anyone say "Apocalypse" and "Odyssey"?!) Heroes is awesome. I'm a fan and I watch regularly. But Smallville wins for the excitement factor and the fanboy attachment I feel for it.

i kinda feel the same way. im just a superman fan boy. but lately after watching heroes seasons 1 and 2 on dvd i have been like, wow! this show is amazing. i love how everyone on it seems so human. they dont run around with constumes and secret identities... both shows are just a good balance. although at this point if i had to choose, i would watch heroes on tv and smallville when it came out on dvd....

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Smallville to me is a better show. You can connect to the characters on the show, and you have the ships.


how do you connect to the characters on smallville? do you live your life repeatedly attempting the same dull and lifeless relationships and moap around all the time

[skully]

I thought Season 1 of Heroes was very good. It seemed that the writers had really thought out the whole season before even starting the writing for the episodes. And it had that slick Greg Beeman direction and feel. Season 2 was much more haphazard and weird but still OK and somewhat ruined by the Writers strike.

But Heroes ain't no Smallville.

[Dor el]

a bigger budget wouldn't change the storywriting... all it would do is make better effects. which i like smallvilles flying better than heroes most of the time anyways

It very well could change the story writing. A writer can indulge a bigger imagination if they believe the producers can afford it. Maybe could even lure writers to SV.

[coldstatic]

its funny to me that so many people complain about the writing and plot holes until someone compares it to a different show. then they seem to really love SV...

[RedKRules]

how do you connect to the characters on smallville? do you live your life repeatedly attempting the same dull and lifeless relationships and moap around all the time

And the lack of relationships on Heroes makes the characters look like robots, apart from the soooo dull emotinal World!

[Hopefulsuicide]

there is so not a lack of relationships on heroes... there is just a lack of romantic ones

there are parental relationships, sibling relationships, frienships... and all these are deblt with in a very emotional fashion, sometimes causing major plot lines

all the relationships in smallville ever did was slow down plots

[RedKRules]

there is so not a lack of relationships on heroes... there is just a lack of romantic ones

there are parental relationships, sibling relationships, frienships... and all these are deblt with in a very emotional fashion, sometimes causing major plot lines

all the relationships in smallville ever did was slow down plots

That is where I was trying to get, but thanks for the help! :lol:

[Mar-El]

its funny to me that so many people complain about the writing and plot holes until someone compares it to a different show. then they seem to really love SV...

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind the plotholes. Smallville is my favorite show. I would probably keep watching to season 15, haha. I just think its a sign of superior writing when a show has less plotholes in comparison with another show.

[coldstatic]

there is so not a lack of relationships on heroes... there is just a lack of romantic ones

there are parental relationships, sibling relationships, frienships... and all these are deblt with in a very emotional fashion, sometimes causing major plot lines

all the relationships in smallville ever did was slow down plots

:lol: i totally agree with you! i dont see how anyone who has actually watched heroes could possibly say that there is lack of relationships. there is a huge difference between relationships and totally played out love triangles. but i guess just because every cast member on heroes isn't involved in a love triangle they are lifeless robots :rolleyes:

one major plot line i can think of was hiro and kensai and the princess (cant remember her name) hiro falling in love with her caused kensai to go all villian and ended up being the season long story arc...

[6-Super-Man -5]

It seems as if Heroes has a bigger budget, with all the effects, did anyone watch the 3rd Season Premiere? Amazing effects, but if it was story wise, then I would perfer Odyssey over The Second Coming, if it was effects, then The Second Coming, but I do agree, Smallville is better in my mind.

[coldstatic]

It seems as if Heroes has a bigger budget, with all the effects, did anyone watch the 3rd Season Premiere? Amazing effects, but if it was story wise, then I would perfer Odyssey over The Second Coming, if it was effects, then The Second Coming, but I do agree, Smallville is better in my mind.

heroes season 3 premier was awesome imo! it was definitely hard to keep up with it but it was so good. better than odyssey.

but it would be impossible to compare the two.. i mean heroes is on season 3.
smallville is on season 8. i will be surprised if heroes even makes it 8 seasons.

[unfocused]

I just found this interesting article that was written a year ago.

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/smallville/smallville-bumps-heroes-for-nu-11238.aspx


Superman has defeated NBC's Heroes. Or, perhaps we should say Super-Young-Man. Smallville's Season 6 DVD set has nudged Heroes aside to become the number 2 best seller at Amazon.com. This is truly a David Vs. Goliath story, particularly in the regards that NBC went to great lengths to guarantee that Heroes had the most feature packed box set on the planet. Despite its marginal audience, Smallville handedly surpassed NBC's attempt at emulating comic book devotion, with some genuine comic roots to boot.

The reality of Smallville's DVD success may be in the fact that it has never had the opportunity to earn the numbers that a show like Heroes, or any big network show for that matter, would earn. Smallville has been relegated to micro-networks like the WB and the CW who have a much smaller broadcast footprint.

On the other hand, despite this stunted potential, Smallville centers around a character who is royalty in the comic book world, and a character who creates a huge collectors demand. It could be that DVD sales represent the ‘other half' of Smallville's ratings.

Despite the limited market potential of the CW – it is getting bigger every day, though – Smallville continues to enjoy a thriving online fan base. Smallville devoted news sites such as Kryptonsite.com boast traffic on the level of other legendary fan communities dedicated to what the ratings story would tell you are bigger shows. Clearly, when it comes to popularity, they are not.

Despite defeating Heroes in its genre, Smallville is still second in line to ABC's drama cornerstone Grey's Anatomy. The third season set for the medical drama has been at number one for several days now. Smallville has dominated the number one spot in the past, so it would not be surprising at all to see the CW's Superman fantasy become Seattle Grace's kryptonite.

[6-Super-Man -5]

heroes season 3 premier was awesome imo! it was definitely hard to keep up with it but it was so good. better than odyssey.

but it would be impossible to compare the two.. i mean heroes is on season 3.
smallville is on season 8. i will be surprised if heroes even makes it 8 seasons.

I think Heroes will only make it until Season 5, and Smallville will make it to Season 9.

[SuperKyptonGirl13]

I love Both Shows and thought each premiere was great in there own way

[ClarkyBoy14]

I like SV more.

[stenochick]

I watched the Heroes countdown and premiere. I find Heroes to be too dark and depressing for me. Plus, whenever I watch it, I think, "Why not just watch the actual superheroes this show is based on?" Although I love Hiro.

The thing I have noticed about Smallville lately, and that I notice with Heroes, is that the scenes are so short and there is so much going on in each episode. I prefer a slower pace with longer scenes and character development. I would be okay if there was only an A-plot, not even a B-plot. But, maybe I'm just old.

[yoxodo]

I only watched the first season of Heroes and it seemed like it was 20 something episodes leading up to some guy blowing up at the end. I got tired of it and didn't see any of season 2, now all my friends tell me that the season 3 premiere rocked.
Been watching Smallville from the beginning and have always loved it but I think Odyssey was kinda lame.
Maybe I should convert...

[yaseen101]

I watched the Heroes countdown and premiere. I find Heroes to be too dark and depressing for me. Plus, whenever I watch it, I think, "Why not just watch the actual superheroes this show is based on?" Although I love Hiro.

The thing I have noticed about Smallville lately, and that I notice with Heroes, is that the scenes are so short and there is so much going on in each episode. I prefer a slower pace with longer scenes and character development. I would be okay if there was only an A-plot, not even a B-plot. But, maybe I'm just old.

Then I believe you will love Geoff Johns writing.

[ginnyfan]

I loved Heroes because I felt that it was on the other end of the spectrum from Smallville. It was darker and more complex. It payed immaculate attention to detail to the point of laying clues for careful watching and re-watching. Now it has gone very dark and it's so convoluted. But I'm not going to give up on it just yet. I think the shows are very different. There's room for me to like both.

[stenochick]

Then I believe you will love Geoff Johns writing.

Wouldn't it be great if he writes more than one episode for Smallville this season?

Also, a lot of people thought Traveler and Quest were kind of boring, but for me, I prefer that kind of straight-forward story-telling. Odyssey had the A, B, and C-plots going. It was just a little too much for me. I would prefer that much action to take place over two or more episodes.

[Theshadow129x]

heroes actually has a plot...

[coldstatic]

heroes actually has a plot...

smallville has a plot too, its just not as well thought out.

when i watch heroes i get the feeling that the writers wanted to fill all the gaps there are
when i watch smallville i get the feeling they build up a story arc and then end up rushing through it...

heroes has 1 huge story arc for the season and then many smaller ones that build the main arc up.

smallville has multiple story arcs per season that all feel rushed like its a big hurry to move on. i wish they would spend more time on each story arc, then there would be no plot holes

I.E. it would have been so cool to have seen bizarro in a bigger role than just trying to steal clarks life. like if he was brainiac or lex

[MBrittan]

heroes actually has a plot...

Just having superpowers doesn't make someone a "hero". The premise of the show was flawed from the very beginning. Want to see how a real "hero" behaves? Watch Smallville.
-M-

[coldstatic]

Just having superpowers doesn't make someone a "hero". The premise of the show was flawed from the very beginning. Want to see how a real "hero" behaves? Watch Smallville.
-M-

what moping around over a girl for years and only saving people you know? the only heroes on smallville so far have been everyone but clark. GA BC AM Cyborg impulse... what its called heroes but people arent really heroes on it.... well this is called smallville but 80% of it takes place in metropolis so whats your point

and i think saving the world from a deadly virus and going on a quest to stop a huge explosion in the heart of new york makes them heroes. wow clark protects lana and chloe from meteor freaks

[Smalvil1]

I think heroes is a better show (although i might be biased considering it is my all time favorite show). Its much better written and just more enganging IMO. I also thought that The second Coming/Butterfly Effect trumped odessy big time. Season 3 is looking amazing. But so is season 8. I dont know, i like both shows, but heroes just gives me this funny feeling in my stomach that gets me excited.


Just having superpowers doesn't make someone a "hero". The premise of the show was flawed from the very beginning. Want to see how a real "hero" behaves? Watch Smallville.

Maya is more of a hero than smallville clark. lol. What you said was true though. Having powers doesnt make you a hero, thats why clark is not one yet either. But i have to say that some of the characters on heroes have been quite heroic. like issac dieing, nathan sacraficing himself to save new york, peter willing to die to save new york, nikki doing anything to protect her family, Parkman going up against sylar (however stupid it was). these characters seem like true heroes to me.

[The Ninth Doctor]

Trying to compare Smallville and Heroes is like trying to compare Treasure Planet and the Odyssey.

Smallville is episodic, Heroes is arc-based. Smallville is about superheros we all know and love, Heroes is about deconstructing the superhero.


Which do I personally prefer? Heroes hands down, because its plot, themes, and character development are all deeper than Smallville's.


Also the creators of Heroes didn't get thrown off the show by idiot network execs....

[Caesar Gambino]

Naw i think Heroes is better but im a Smallville head.I think Heroes feel off since season 1 though but its not guaranteed that Heroes will ever make it to a Season 8.It may have more viewers than Smallville,but its not guaranteed to be more successful

[coldstatic]

Also the creators of Heroes didn't get thrown off the show by idiot network execs....

well the creator of heroes hasn't started beating a dead cattle yet

[unfocused]

The season premier of heroes was really bad. I'm a heroes fan but the first two episode were very boring and had the same old plot twists this show has had before. Anyone else get the impression that Mrs. Petrelli is a really big slut lol? Odyssey was ten times better than the second coming.

[Magda Halliwell]

Just finished watching season premiere of Heroes. Talk about weird. It seemed like M. Night Shymalan had a field day writing it (wait he didnt write it)

And Smallville is still the best show in my book. Heroes is getting weird. I still like it and the villains aspect willl be cool, but it will never beat Smallville

Just thought id say that :p

I thought HEREOS finally bounced back this year and I am in love with. That doesn't mean I am not in love with SMALLVILLE either. I have multiple lovers! ;)

[coldstatic]

its still to early to judge heroes 3rd season, but from what ive seen i think its great. but i even loved season 2 so...

[Smalvil1]

The season premier of heroes was really bad. I'm a heroes fan but the first two episode were very boring and had the same old plot twists this show has had before. Anyone else get the impression that Mrs. Petrelli is a really big slut lol? Odyssey was ten times better than the second coming.

same old plot twists? what heroes have you been seeing. i dont remeber seeing people switch bodies, people from the future killing people from the present, an old hero gaiing an unexpected power, a new petrelli in the family, claire cant feel pain. so no there was none of that same old plot twists crap. but yes odessy was good, but it cant beat heroes. if you want me to point out how many times we have seen the "i lost my powers" bit or the "i died and came back again" on smallville then i will. Those are the same old plot twists.

[s3dsmv]

as much as i love smallville, heroes seems to have the upperhand on this one. but you never know, smallville could kick serious ass this season.

[coldstatic]

same old plot twists? what heroes have you been seeing. i dont remeber seeing people switch bodies, people from the future killing people from the present, an old hero gaiing an unexpected power, a new petrelli in the family, claire cant feel pain. so no there was none of that same old plot twists crap. but yes odessy was good, but it cant beat heroes. if you want me to point out how many times we have seen the "i lost my powers" bit or the "i died and came back again" on smallville then i will. Those are the same old plot twists.

agreed! no one who is a fan of smallville has the right to point the "same ol' plot twists" finger at any other show :lol: ugh imagine if they were still doing the krypto freaks!

[Karafan1]

I finally saw the heroes premiere and it was confusing to me. The main confusing part was Peter was in some other guy's body. I'm sure eventually they'll explain how that happened. Smallville never confuses me like that so it's a better show. I see heroes is ripping off smallville's 33.1 meteor freaks with their version of freaks in a place called level 5. Can't they come up with something origional and not take ideas from other shows??

[coldstatic]

I finally saw the heroes premiere and it was confusing to me. The main confusing part was Peter was in some other guy's body. I'm sure eventually they'll explain how that happened. Smallville never confuses me like that so it's a better show. I see heroes is ripping off smallville's 33.1 meteor freaks with their version of freaks in a place called level 5. Can't they come up with something origional and not take ideas from other shows??


what are you talking about? see this is why people like smallville more, cause they dont understand heroes because they apparently dont pay attention. future peter put peter in that guys body to keep him out of his way.and they made it very clear during the episode since he literaly said, i put him in that guys body to keep him out of my way. and the company has always had people with powers locked up, level 5 is just where they keep the extremely dangerous people and they werent doing any experiments or anything so how are they ripping smallville off.

[Karafan1]

I must have missed that part where they explained how Peter got in the other guy's body..My bad. I was checking on a few other shows while heroes was on..

[Theshadow129x]

yes heroes is better than Smallville. even during season 2 heroes was better than smallville. heroes season 2 was off to a slow start but at least it was leading to somewhere that pushed the show forward lead to new things to teh series. Smallville barely does THAT anymore. It reuses the same plots from the past just to add tension to the mix.

Heroes is about ordinary people with extrordinary abilities and how they change their lives. Not everyone is a hero it also shows how some people can become villains which is a nice touch to the show as well.

Smallville could be great but the show simpyl barely does any character any justice.Clark Kent is an uneducated and apathetic bitter jerk most of the time. Its just now after 7 years that he's trying to be active.

Heroes is different and its very good and well written. Yes, both shows has a plot but the writers beind heroes actually know where they are going with their story...Smallville brings up cool ideas that sound awesome but they have always and I mean always had problems executing them on screen properly if they are executed at all and not dropped.

Heroes: Villains premiere was a huge step forward and was a great 2 hour event making the world of heroes worth watching. Smallville's premiere was good but not great...it had a lot of elements to it missing which i've pointed out numerous times like Clark dying and Clark losing his powers only for them to be returned....which happens every sticking year!!!!

I think people that dont like heroes are just those that choose to not pay attention to the story because its really complex and they just choose to believe Smallville is better. Its not. Critics and fans agree that Heroes is more well watched and deserved than Smallville. Its a fact.

[unfocused]

It's a fact that people have opinions? lol. Smallville > heroes.

[Dor el]

Luckily, like I do not stoop to letting TV and movie critics decide which shows I like, watch and support, I choose for myself here as well. Although it is funny to read the back and forth banter between the Hero devotees and the SV devotees, and the attempt at objectivity by those who follow both shows. I, without qualms, choose SV. I just enjoy the show. Warts, wrinkles, and all.

[coldstatic]

i just want ONE of you to give a me a good reason at why smallville is better than heroes. because so far everyone has used lame reasons like "heroes doesnt explain stuff." or "heroes has too many plot holes" the only good reason one person said was that heroes is too dark for them. THAT i understand... all im saying is that heroes has way better story writing and the character development is like 100x faster than smallville. i mean over 2 seasons EVERY character has changed and evolved from their experiences, and we got clark the BDA who seems to backtrack every year... (hopefully not this year) on an intelligence level, heroes >>>>>> smallville

and dont get me wrong i love smallville i have missed like 5 episodes throughout the series but i just cant lie to myself and give the writers more credit than they deserve.

[stenochick]

I think Heroes is better written and has a higher budget, but I find it too dark for my tastes. That is just my preference. It is why I don't watch CSI or any of those crime shows or Supernatural. Smallville is getting darker but I've been a fan for so long, I'm not going to stop watching it until it goes off the air, or if it exceeds my darkness tolerance.

[redRound]

For me, Heroes is the better show, the writing is of a much higher quality. But I follow Smallville more because I really like the Lex character. I think Lex could be in Heroes actually. The whole soap opera element to SV has let it down, and for many seasons the story and the characters went nowhere.

[yaseen101]

yes heroes is better than Smallville. even during season 2 heroes was better than smallville. heroes season 2 was off to a slow start but at least it was leading to somewhere that pushed the show forward lead to new things to teh series. Smallville barely does THAT anymore. It reuses the same plots from the past just to add tension to the mix.

Heroes is about ordinary people with extrordinary abilities and how they change their lives. Not everyone is a hero it also shows how some people can become villains which is a nice touch to the show as well.

Smallville could be great but the show simpyl barely does any character any justice.Clark Kent is an uneducated and apathetic bitter jerk most of the time. Its just now after 7 years that he's trying to be active.

Heroes is different and its very good and well written. Yes, both shows has a plot but the writers beind heroes actually know where they are going with their story...Smallville brings up cool ideas that sound awesome but they have always and I mean always had problems executing them on screen properly if they are executed at all and not dropped.

Heroes: Villains premiere was a huge step forward and was a great 2 hour event making the world of heroes worth watching. Smallville's premiere was good but not great...it had a lot of elements to it missing which i've pointed out numerous times like Clark dying and Clark losing his powers only for them to be returned....which happens every sticking year!!!!

I think people that dont like heroes are just those that choose to not pay attention to the story because its really complex and they just choose to believe Smallville is better. Its not. Critics and fans agree that Heroes is more well watched and deserved than Smallville. Its a fact.


Seeing how you earlier seem to campaign that everyone have their opinion it's not wise to say Heroes is better than Smallville or Smallville is better than Heroes because it's a matter of personal tastes and opinions on which show is better. Me, I don't care which one is better and I'm not going to pass judgment since I haven't watched Heroes since Season 2. Either way we are talking about two very different shows on two different networks.

There's SV with lackluster producers**cough**Al/Miles**cough** and writers who lost the best of them **cough**Jeph Loeb, Micheal Green**cough** and enthusiasm a long time ago, on a network that barely promotes them or provide them with a suitable budget. Who until now when the producers left and better ones came is now getting on track.

Then there's Hereos which is on a network which provides them with a descent budget, an enthusiastic creator and a legion of experienced writers **cough**Jeph Loeb**cough** and gets better promotion from the network without moving a finger.

Comparing the two shows is pointless since so many differences exist between them. It's like comparing Ice cream and Tea which is too completely different products but appeals to people's on different levels.

[Mr.White]

Heroes is an interesting show, but there would be no Heroes without Smallville. Smallville, a show about the young man before he becomes Superman, gave the Heroes people a blueprint. A show about a young fellow with special powers and abilities who doesn't go about wearing a costume and in doing the right thing a great deal of the time (Helping people in need with his superpowers) becomes a hero.

Smallville has become a example that other shows that came after it would follow like Heroes. To have lasted eight seasons and being on a smaller network shows Smallville's staying power. Heroes is a well done show but there much to admire about Smallville.

[Smalvil1]

I finally saw the heroes premiere and it was confusing to me. The main confusing part was Peter was in some other guy's body. I'm sure eventually they'll explain how that happened. Smallville never confuses me like that so it's a better show. I see heroes is ripping off smallville's 33.1 meteor freaks with their version of freaks in a place called level 5. Can't they come up with something origional and not take ideas from other shows??

ummm remember veritas. total rip off of heroes with the older generation. Lots of shpws take ideas and make them theyre own. its hard to find something really original nowadays. so dont dis heroes for using something similar to 33.1 when smallville did the same thing last year.

[Kevin24]

I haven't watched heroes before but I might get into later on. My brother really likes both Smallville and Heroes and he thinks Heroes is the better show.

I haven't seen heroes and I'm obviously a Smallville fan so you can guess what I would choose.

[jimmyolsenblues]

i wish smallville had the writers and budget of heroes.

[kryptonize]

I really like Heroes too. It does seem like almost every character's power on Heroes was also that of Smallville's meteor infected.

[coldstatic]

I really like Heroes too. It does seem like almost every character's power on Heroes was also that of Smallville's meteor infected.

thats because smallville has used every power in the book for the meteor freaks :lol:

[Estro-gen X]

I really like Heroes too. It does seem like almost every character's power on Heroes was also that of Smallville's meteor infected.

and that of every X Man to walk the marvel universe. Peter petrelli and Sylar are both sides of rogue. Peter is the hero who aborbs powers , sylar is the rogue that joined the brotherhood and has to get up close and personal for powers.

[Jor-El's Oracle]

Check It Out :) :
http://www.buddytv.com/articles/smallville/five-reasons-why-smallville-is-24244.aspx


"Smallville" is better than ever this year!

[Krypto~Luan]

Check It Out :) :
http://www.buddytv.com/articles/smallville/five-reasons-why-smallville-is-24244.aspx


"Smallville" is better than ever this year!

thnaks that really helps, proves why i dont watch heroes@:lol:

[Jor-El's Oracle]

lol

[Krypto~Luan]

i tired heroes and didnt like it. So i stuck with my smallville. I think that because heroes is flashy it doesnt make it a good show. Smallville has DC behind it. And i really think the the producers listen to us fans.

[Jor-El's Oracle]

Yea PS3 is awesome they know what we wanna see and they are really delivering on that this Season.

[Krypto~Luan]

yup, i think the show is in grear hands, season 7 was so bad i was affriad for the show. I didnt know what to think, the episodes were boring and only some good momnts. But this season has alot to ofer...AND we JUST started. We are in for a good year.

[unfocused]

5. It Evolves

Smallville started out as a monster-of-the-week high school show similar to Buffy the Vampire Slayer, but has since evolved into a mythology-based drama that doesn't even take place in the small town where it began. The show isn't afraid to get rid of some characters, move others forward, and shake up the status quo when need be. The biggest problem with Heroes is that it's been running around in circles since its first season. How many times can the gang travel to a horrifying alternate future? How many different people can Ali Larter possibly play? How many times can a character die and come back to life? Heroes needs to take a cue from Smallville and learn how to change and evolve, otherwise it doesn't stand a chance of reaching its eighth season.

I've been wanting to point this very thing out, but couldn't articulate it this way. This reviewer is a personal hero of mine. Aside from the few times Clark has "died," I really think the entire dying and resurrecting storyline is played out. Played out because Heroes played it out after stealing it from Smallville.

All in all, great review. Heroes has indeed really confused me this year. I just don't like seeing my favorite characters coming back as villains without any explanation. And this last episode of Heroes, titled "Villains" didn't help even though it promised to explain why the good guys turned to good, and the bad guys turned to bad.

A major failure on the part of the Heroes writers. I agree, they need to be taking notes from the superior television show.

[Imzadia]

yup, i think the show is in grear hands, season 7 was so bad i was affriad for the show. I didnt know what to think, the episodes were boring and only some good momnts. But this season has alot to ofer...AND we JUST started. We are in for a good year.

:D I feel almost the same way that you do, Krypto~Luan, except, IMO, I didn't think that season 7 was quite as bad as you thought it was. :\ However, I too was worried about whether or not it could survive, especially after that season finale. But Yes, this season IS Great, so far! I'm thoroughly enjoying every episode, with "Toxic" being my least favorite.

:p I understand what you mean when you said, "...AND we JUST started." That's the way I feel watching each new episode, too. It's been so good, I want more and more, then I look at the time and there's only 10 minutes left! I wonder where did all the Time go? It's the same way with this season. We're almost halfway through this season already! With "Legion", we'll actually be at the halfway point. So, it's passing too quickly, and IF this is Really the last season, it'll All be over waay too soon for me. :( Well, I guess that old saying is true, "Time sure flies when you're having fun." ;)

I'm Really so Happy that 'Others' who have 'Voices' speak to the Public and express how much Smallville has 'Evolved' as evidenced by Season 8.

[Krypto~Luan]

i wish the show could go on forever and never have a dull moment

...thats why their called wishes though...:(

[rep4clark]

i didnt enjoy season seven as much as season 4 and season 6 , but it was sure a heck of alot better then the best episodes that heroes best episodes had to offer, trust me, but i dropped heroes like a bad happen and never care. On the other hand every day im constantly at you tube looking at the latest smallville edits, and videos. I find myself especially drawn to the clois videos, and I got to admit alot of these guys making the videos have alot talent, like professional grade A quailty videos. LONG LIVE SV. AND AS FOR HEROES, OFF WITH ITS HEAD!!!

[Krypto~Luan]

i didnt enjoy season seven as much as season 4 and season 6 , but it was sure a heck of alot better then the best episodes that heroes best episodes had to offer, trust me, but i dropped heroes like a bad happen and never care. On the other hand every day im constantly at you tube looking at the latest smallville edits, and videos. I find myself especially drawn to the clois videos, and I got to admit alot of these guys making the videos have alot talent, like professional grade A quailty videos. LONG LIVE SV. AND AS FOR HEROES, OFF WITH ITS HEAD!!!

thier heads will roll! ...like this>>>>>>>>>:rotfl:

[Karafan1]

Great article. I watch Heroes every week and I agree that they have to many people to show every week. They need to cut back on the number of people they show every week..

[kaam]

Heroes seem to always revolve around saving the world. Each season, a bad guys/good guys team forms and then we reach the end with certain 'heroe/s' saving the world.

[unfocused]

Great article. I watch Heroes every week and I agree that they have to many people to show every week. They need to cut back on the number of people they show every week..

I agree. And they keep adding new people with abilities that replace older people that I have grown attached to. Like Nicky, Mica's cousin with that amazing power, and what ever happened to Claire's boyfriend who could fly? I really hate how the writers forget about so many characters just so they can bring in new ones. Change is good, but count this change as one of the reasons the show has been doing so poorly. Because they change things so often, the fans can't keep up or move on so fast.

[Caesar Gambino]

I liked Heroes season 1 but think they fell off at season 2.i have to agree with all five reasons but the storylines is great.i think 1 thing that really turned me off about Heroes is making Sylar part of the Petrelli family.dat was the dumbest thing they done and i cant really see them going to a season 8

[Fallen One]

Heroes has a budget of 4 million per episode. 4 million. 4 million. And they still manage to suck.

God, imagine if Smallville had a budget of 4 million per episode. The fights would be so much longer, no character would miss any episodes, and the special effects would be off the charts.

I hate the CW.

[unfocused]

It would have made sense if it was hinted even just once that Sylar was a Petrelli in season 1. Now, it just seems ridiculous because it's out of left field and for some reason Sylar is lightswitched into a force for good not just from one episode to the next but from one minute to the next.

After being such an evil villain in seasons 1 and 2, I just can't accept Sylar as a good guy all of a sudden just because Mrs. Petrelli claims she's his mother. What's even more funny is that he is calling her "mother" :lol:

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Heroes has a budget of 4 million per episode. 4 million. 4 million. And they still manage to suck.

God, imagine if Smallville had a budget of 4 million per episode. The fights would be so much longer, no character would miss any episodes, and the special effects would be off the charts.

I hate the CW.

I completely agree with you.

If Smallville was on a better network and had a larger budget, it's audience would greatly reflect the general Superman audience because it would have better writers, better special effects, and better guest stars.

[hiler1988]

I was a big fan of Heroes when I first watched season one but since then the show doesn't seem to have that x-factor it once possessed...However, Smallville is amazing this season and I'm really pleased with everything so far. It's great to see that ratings are picking up and that other forms of media are giving the show some traction again...Hopefully this will give the new producers a pat on the back because they really have excelled themselves this season!! Great job guys!! It's great to see Smallville getting credit again...For me, Heroes is just trying too hard really. Smallville has substance. :)

[geminis]

I still watch Heroes but it doesn't have the same spark. Smallville on the other hand has had a flashover. The sprawling monster of Heroes' cast is taking up too much oxygen; Clark, however, with his super lung capacity, has been able to survive up to now and his patience and ours is finally paying off big time. This season they are finally paying more attention to Clark and their efforts are paying off.

I agree, Cedric, it would be very interesting if Smallville had a bigger budget; more advertising, more (and hopefully better, as in more LOIS!) use of the cast this season, and bigger and better special effects. Sigh. In a perfect world...

[Mars Investigations]

In my opinion, Heroes Season One thrashes any season of Smallville thus far (although if Season Eight continues the way it has, that won't be true). Season Two dropped off in terms of quality, but Season Three has potential to build Heroes back up to its glory.

[justincredible]

is it just me or is heroes just a series of random events.sylar is now good,go to the future again,peter gains a new power etc. its just not well thought out just a copy and paste job!!!

[Lazy Boy]

Four million huh? Maybe the network that has Heroes can do a swap with CW for Smallville - just to add another stone to a sinking network.

[Flowergirl123]

That's amazing I watch both of the shows and I agree that Smallville is and always will be better than Heros.

[Lexgirl33]

In my opinion, Heroes Season One thrashes any season of Smallville thus far (although if Season Eight continues the way it has, that won't be true). Season Two dropped off in terms of quality, but Season Three has potential to build Heroes back up to its glory.

ITA. I like SV but there is just something about Heroes I like more.

I have to argue their point with the romance. A show DOES NOT need romance to be good. Take SPN for example. They have little to non and look how great that show is.

Not to mention the point about evolving. SV is on its 8th season while Heroes is on 3rd.

Now that i read all of it I disagree with all of it. The difference with SV is the story has an ending already and we know it. Sure they have a few different characters but we know Lex is the villian and Clark is supes. Heroes doesn't because its original. Why would we want to know the ending? Where is the fun in that, really. I am going to back off, this is getting me angry :lol:

[lifelovedestiny]

That made my day!!!!! Smallville rocks, and even though its not on one of the major channels, I think everyone should watch because there's something for everyone!!!!

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One thing I think that is spot on is the fact that SV actually makes sense.

I watched Heroes every once in a while during the first season, but sometimes I would miss around 2 episodes, and when I would watch the next episode I couldn't even finish it I was so lost.

[amelietw]

That's good publicity for Smallville!! :cool:

Yay!

[Sweetie]

In the previous seasons,I prefered Heroes to Lanaville that's for sure.Now that the show has changed into the Smallville I always wanted to see,it's extremely exiting better written than Heroes has ever been.

[unfocused]

Heroes season 1 was really good, but it built itself for a huge climax but then failed miserably. I can't tell you just how disappointed I was in that final episode. It literally ruined the entire season for me. If it was done better, a lot better, then I would somewhat agree that Heroes S1 would give any season of Smallville a run for it's money. But this isn't the case. Smallville S3 was way too good, and season 8 is already better than anything Heroes seems capable of doing.

[LoveHurts38]

Smallville is the best.

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

I agree with that article. I haven't seen but one episode of Heroes, but I have seen a bunch of clips, and it didn't really appeal to me.

[Krypto~Luan]

heroes is a love or hate kind of show...guess where i stand?-_-

[6-Super-Man -5]

I love Heroes, but I love Smallville more. :D

[ginnyfan]

Heroes had the potential to be SO much better than Smallville. Season 1 was amazing. Somehow though, Heroes has lost it's way. I can't quite put my finger on it. I think they just bounced the characters around too much. Past, Future, Good, Evil, dead, alive... no rhyme or reason to any of it. It makes me sad because that show had so much potential.

[unfocused]

I believe Heroes still has potential. Maybe not enough to be better than Smallville anymore, but it still has it's core characters. And I'm sure we'll get some amazing arcs together eventually.

But, Heroes' "It's Coming" is nowhere NEAR as thrilling as Smallville's "Doomsday Is Coming." :D

[dru-zod2501]

hmm, interesting...

[unex||den||adel]

the rate given on comment really annoys me!

[Supermania]

If what they say is true, then perhaps Heroes could take cues from Smallville.

[FLyxNERD]

hard to choose...i like both shows..i love heroes but i love superman more...sometimes i wish i had powers that the heroe character does, but then i realized i rather have supermans powers more than any of the powers on heroes....

so smallville wins

[27CDruid]

Initially it seemed heroes had better potential. Heroes never fulfilled that though. Smallville for ever!

[biggkoz]

Is heros even doing that well anymore? I rarely see any commericals for it and dont hear of anyone even talking about it. But the same can go for smallville but were are talking NBC vs the CW haha.

[Mars Investigations]

The classic first season of Heroes has become the measure by which all shows of this kind are compared against...but Smallville's Season Eight is quickly earning its own fame within the genre. So, which one had the best first ten-episode run?

Heroes:
Genesis
Don't Look Back
One Giant Leap
Collision
Hiros
Better Halves
Nothing to Hide
Seven Minutes to Midnight
Homecoming
Six Months Ago

Smallville:
Odyssey
Plastique
Toxic
Instinct
Committed
Prey
Identity
Bloodline
Abyss
Bride

[yaseen101]

You know SV loves irony so much that it has became one itself, the funny thing is that a few seasons ago we wouldn't even think about comparing Heroes to Smallville now we are comparing them this season and Smallville is winning. The whole irony of this again is the fact that it is the same guys who gave us Sleeper, Feirce and even Thirst that's giving us such an awesome season.

[Krypto~Luan]

i dont watch hereos. So its to one sided of a decision, im not voteing :p

[disciples of zod]

uh...that's kind of a given. i don't watch heros, and i never cared for it anyway.

SMALLVILLE ROOLZ!

~K

[Karafan1]

I watch Heroes every week and I like what thery are doing this season, but I think Smallville has had the better season by far....

[Crispin Glover]

I'll agree that Heroes Season 1 was as good as it gets, but the show completely lost its direction and seems to be making stuff up as it moves along, instead of having a master plan. I mean Sylar and Peter brothers, please!

[Razzle]

uhhh Heroes what a mess... season 1 was descent but SV season 8 is better or maybe i am bias for anything superman related.

[KalEltheBoyscout]

i dont watch hereos. So its to one sided of a decision, im not voteing :p
I watched the first half of the "Heroes" pilot, but in my opinion, it's not even close to how good Smallville is.

[Krypto~Luan]

I watched the first half of the "Heroes" pilot, but in my opinion, it's not even close to how good Smallville is.

not to gernerlize all heroes fans or mock them, but some (not all) seem very hostile at times. When you dont like the show, insults fly. With smallville fans, its, more of a :"to each his own" perspective.


Smallville fans dont need $4 million and episode for flashy stuff to be pleased. We have brains, we need strory....substance

[unfocused]

The classic first season of Heroes has become the measure by which all shows of this kind are compared against

I disagree completely.

Smallville season 3 was so much better than Heroes season 1. I would even take Smallville season 6 over any Heroes season. But, I do think Heroes season 1 was outstanding, at it's what got me hooked onto Heroes in the first place.

[Mars Investigations]

not to gernerlize all heroes fans or mock them, but some (not all) seem very hostile at times. When you dont like the show, insults fly. With smallville fans, its, more of a :"to each his own" perspective.


Smallville fans dont need $4 million and episode for flashy stuff to be pleased. We have brains, we need strory....substance

I'm afraid Heroes has turned into the kind of show that relies on its effects. But the first season was packed full of substance and story - I'd really recommend it.

[Stu.Kent]

the first season of heroes was epic but smallville is still the better show. heroes is getting too convultued for it's own good, at least we can follow the storyline in smallville without having to take notes just to understand what the hell is going on. i love both shows but im loyal to smallville.

[Mars Investigations]

the first season of heroes was epic but smallville is still the better show. heroes is getting too convultued for it's own good, at least we can follow the storyline in smallville without having to take notes just to understand what the hell is going on. i love both shows but im loyal to smallville.

Agreed. Heroes is also becoming very formulaic.

[Krypto~Luan]

I'm afraid Heroes has turned into the kind of show that relies on its effects. But the first season was packed full of substance and story - I'd really recommend it.

tired it, not my cup of tea

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nuff said!
im soo p***ed off with my friends. theyre beating up on me about how much heroes is so much better than smallville. they never even watched the show. ugh theyre so retarted! i cant stand this!

yes...yes they are. :lol:


I have a firend that says heroes is way better then smallville.
And that the CW is a stupid sation


I told him "of course, thats because you have a small metal capacty and your easily swayed by flashy things. I like smallville because it has substance, ya know, you need a brain"


:lol: Very few times have i met a Heroes fan who doesnt care about smallville, but doesnt critize the people who watch it.:cool:

[myankskent]

I'm not impressed with Heroes this season at all. It's great that it has a big budget and they can certainly do things that they would never be able to do with Smallville, but the storylines are really getting out of hand on Heroes. It's only in it's third season and it's amazing how the show is starting to fall apart already. It's going to be very difficult to not only get the show back on track, but get the viewers back as well. Even if it does well enough to stay on NBC, it's very possible that the budget will decrease significantly if the ratings are not high enough.

Also, IMO, the biggest problem with Heroes is the fact that the future can always change. Therefore, if there's a threat of some bomb going off or someone dying in the future, it would never worry the viewer because in the end, it will just be avoided anyway. Sometimes bad things do need to happen on a show to the main characters to keep the show realistic and more high stakes.

[ginnyfan]

My friend scoffed at Heroes and said that Heroes was a rip off of the 4400 and she'd never watch it.

The 4400 started off pretty boring and confusing and not enough like X-files to be fun for me... but as time went on I had to applaud them for the character development. Heroes was a lot sexier than 4400 and just threw away their characters. Sometimes patience is a virtue. A show needs to pace itself sometimes and let things unfold over time.

[unfocused]

I'm afraid Heroes has turned into the kind of show that relies on its effects.
I totally agree. I'm tired of seeing that guy with the blue fire. Every episode... lame blue fire. Either that or lame blue electricity.


at least we can follow the storyline in smallville without having to take notes just to understand what the hell is going on.
Exactly. Heroes is so hard to follow for me. Mostly because I haven't been entertained enough to want to follow it. But I try because I am a loyal fan.


the biggest problem with Heroes is the fact that the future can always change. Therefore, if there's a threat of some bomb going off or someone dying in the future, it would never worry the viewer because in the end, it will just be avoided anyway. Sometimes bad things do need to happen on a show to the main characters to keep the show realistic and more high stakes.

Wonderfully put. When Hiro "killed" Ando... I wondered why I wasn't worried. I have always liked Ando, so I didn't know why I couldn't care less that Ando was "dead." And then I realized... time travel. Time travel is the easy way of telling a story and OFTEN makes a story confusing. And it's not only time travel. Linderman and the African have both found their way back from the dead somehow. I'm just not afraid when someone is in danger anymore. It makes me feel as though I don't care about Claire, Noah, Nathan, Ando, even Adam. They have all either "died" or cannot die. I really liked Adam, but I can't care that he is dead because for all I know... he is only "dead."

[ClarkyBoy14]

I've watched the first two seasons of Heroes, as well as the S3 premiere. After that, I gave up. S1 was terrific. (Except for the finale, like unfocused said, it was a major disappointment.) S2 wasn't horrible, it had a lot of good moments. But that's where it started to get confusing. They also introduced too many characters, many of whom I didn't care at all about. I also absolutely hated Amnesia!Peter plot, as well as the Hiro in the past plot. Then, I just decided I had to give it up after I saw the S3 premiere. I hated to do it, but Heroes was confusing to me, and boring.

And at the same time, SV came back with a stellar season. :D


I think people that dont like heroes are just those that choose to not pay attention to the story because its really complex and they just choose to believe Smallville is better. Its not. Critics and fans agree that Heroes is more well watched and deserved than Smallville. Its a fact.

It's really not very cool to try to belittle people, or explain away why they think the way they think, just because they have a different opinion than you. :\

[unfocused]

I've watched the first two seasons of Heroes, as well as the S3 premiere. After that, I gave up. S1 was terrific. (Except for the finale, like unfocused said, it was a major disappointment.) S2 wasn't horrible, it had a lot of good moments. But that's where it started to get confusing. They also introduced too many characters, many of whom I didn't care at all about. I also absolutely hated Amnesia!Peter plot, as well as the Hiro in the past plot. Then, I just decided I had to give it up after I saw the S3 premiere. I hated to do it, but Heroes was confusing to me, and boring.

And at the same time, SV came back with a stellar season. :D



It's really not very cool to try to belittle people, or explain away why they think the way they think, just because they have a different opinion than you. :\

Don't sweat it, there are critics and fans that think Smallville is superior to Heroes as well. That's a fact, especially this season, as Smallville is rising while Heroes is falling. It's better to let people believe what they want to, and let the facts tell their story. In this case, the facts are in Smallville's favor.

[6-Super-Man -5]

I have to say Smallville.

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

Definitely Smallville. I watched one episode of Heroes, and I was bored.

[jazzylg]

I said this awhile ago,when there was early hype about how much greater heroes was over smallville: Smallville has legs. Heroes, though I still like it, has turned into confusing mush, while smallville is having its best season ever. Season 8 vs season 3. Will heroes survive? Well, smallville has been smart and stayed under budget, and maintains great ratings. Heroes have gone over budget (4 million + and episode) and the ratings are tanking, and they fired Loeb and the other guy. Winner: Smallville and us fans!

[unfocused]

I said this awhile ago,when there was early hype about how much greater heroes was over smallville: Smallville has legs. Heroes, though I still like it, has turned into confusing mush, while smallville is having its best season ever. Season 8 vs season 3. Will heroes survive? Well, smallville has been smart and stayed under budget, and maintains great ratings. Heroes have gone over budget (4 million + and episode) and the ratings are tanking, and they fired Loeb and the other guy. Winner: Smallville and us fans!
Wow, I did not know Heroes was going over budget, that's crazy. Seems like they're trying everything they can to keep their heads above water. Well, everything except taking notes from Smallville.

[hiler1988]

I've got to agree with jazzylg on this one...Heroes once was great, it had a great look...and was pretty intense in the beginning but, if anything, since season two the flame has been slowly burning out and I think Villains is pretty confusing to say the least...It really is becoming confusing mush. Smallville was terrible towards the end of Season Seven, most of us will agree that the Veritas storyline wasn't executed properly...BUT, Season 8 is amazing!! I really think Smallville deserves a lot of credit and it definately gets my vote in the SV vs. Heroes debate.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I said this awhile ago,when there was early hype about how much greater heroes was over smallville: Smallville has legs. Heroes, though I still like it, has turned into confusing mush, while smallville is having its best season ever. Season 8 vs season 3. Will heroes survive? Well, smallville has been smart and stayed under budget, and maintains great ratings. Heroes have gone over budget (4 million + and episode) and the ratings are tanking, and they fired Loeb and the other guy. Winner: Smallville and us fans!

I can not honestly see Heroes reaching eight, possibly nine seasons. :\

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I've got to agree with jazzylg on this one...Heroes once was great, it had a great look...and was pretty intense in the beginning but, if anything, since season two the flame has been slowly burning out and I think Villains is pretty confusing to say the least...It really is becoming confusing mush. Smallville was terrible towards the end of Season Seven, most of us will agree that the Veritas storyline wasn't executed properly...BUT, Season 8 is amazing!! I really think Smallville deserves a lot of credit and it definately gets my vote in the SV vs. Heroes debate.

Veritas had the potential to be a really good story, but I agree that it wasn't executed properly. They tried to explain a lot of stuff in SV's past, but they ended up leaving more questions.

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Don't sweat it, there are critics and fans that think Smallville is superior to Heroes as well. That's a fact, especially this season, as Smallville is rising while Heroes is falling. It's better to let people believe what they want to, and let the facts tell their story. In this case, the facts are in Smallville's favor.

Very true. :)

[6-Super-Man -5]

I can not honestly see Heroes reaching eight, possibly nine seasons. :\



Really? I can only imagine Heroes going to a Season Five, and Smallville going reaching a Season Ten.

[rednight]

Heroes owes Smallville a lot. if it was not for the continued success of Smallville than Heroes wouldn't exist. Heroes is very good but when you see what Smallville has done to the mythology of Superman, Smallville is better. Smallville just has a better blueprint to work with.

[Krypto~Luan]

Now that i think about it, is it fair? Smallville had comics and other stories to work off of. Heroes really doesnt. If Smallville comes up with a plot simialr to batman, its an allusion. But should heroes make one similar to batman, its stealing. So I ask is it really that fair to comapre them on the same exact ground? Smallville jad an entire mythos to work with, and they didnt even stop there, stretching into othere super heroes. Now what about Heroes. THey have to be original where smallville adds their own flavor to an already well established history.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Really? I can only imagine Heroes going to a Season Five, and Smallville going reaching a Season Ten.

Right, I don't think that Heroes will go past season five. Or much far past that.

Someday I should rent all the DVDs, once it's over.

[jqedward]

I would say Smallville most definitely. It is based on an iconc DC comics character. While Heroes universe is completely new and not well established. Smallville is much better than Heroes which is kinda ironic because both Greg Beeman and Jeph Loeb are executive producers on Heroes now.

[origin]

I hate using the word "comeback" but that is exactly what Smallville has done this year, it is my favorite show on TV and the first 10 episodes of this season have been fantastic. :D

Ever since the season 1 finale of Heroes I have found myself losing interest in the show, there was so much build up and anticipation for the finale but I was completely disappointed by the lackluster episode. Heroes Season 2 was very mediocre and season 3 has just been a mess of ideas. When I find myself impressed with something in an episode of Heroes this year the next one completely destroys what I liked about it and has me wondering what the point of the previous episode was.

I know a lot of people on the site like to call Clark a "BDA", but nothing and I mean nothing Smallville has done to Clark compares to what Heroes has done to Hiro. In season one of Heroes Hiro was the breakout character on the show, Masi Oka was nominated for an Emmy and a Golden Globe for his fantastic portrayal of the character. When season 2 started the writers decided to play up on the comic relief of the character by slightly dumbing him down but it was nothing to destroy what was great about Hiro. Than came season 3 and the show decided to use the character not really as comic relief but more as a joke, I found myself not laughing at what he was doing but laughing at him. I personally think that Heroes turned my favorite character into quite possibly the dumbest character on television and it is sad to even think about.:(

[KSiteTV]

I really like Heroes, and thought Season 3 had a really strong start, but some of the retroactive continuity, started with "Villains," really bothers me. Too many coincidences. I am so over go-to-the-past, or go-to-the-future episodes, though I hope it'll rebound. There are some great actors and great performances on the show, and some talented people working on it.

Smallville on the other hand has REALLY surprised me this year. I thought they'd be in serious trouble without Lana and Lex but - aside from us seeing the same street over and over and some continuity booboos here and there, I've really been excited to see the show every week. I can't wait for January 15 for the next episode. So, SV gets my vote.

[krpto]

Smallville I'm actually excited about the episodes whereas with heroes I've only watched a couple episodes live and dvred the rest to fit in whenever I had free time and was bored and then I made sure to have the clicker next to me so I could fast forward through the commercials and finish the episode so I could get back to doing something else. I'll most likely continue dvring heroes to watch later since I've already spent 2 and and half years watching the episodes but I won't be there the first day to buy the dvd like with smallville and my other shows.

[Demien]

defenetley Smallville

[ClarkyBoy14]

I would say Smallville most definitely. It is based on an iconc DC comics character. While Heroes universe is completely new and not well established. Smallville is much better than Heroes which is kinda ironic because both Greg Beeman and Jeph Loeb are executive producers on Heroes now.

Unfortunately, Jeph Loeb was fired.

I and other people have suggested that he come back to Smallville. I think that would be a good idea, unless it drains their budget, of course.

[6-Super-Man -5]

I really like Heroes, and thought Season 3 had a really strong start, but some of the retroactive continuity, started with "Villains," really bothers me. Too many coincidences. I am so over go-to-the-past, or go-to-the-future episodes, though I hope it'll rebound. There are some great actors and great performances on the show, and some talented people working on it.

Smallville on the other hand has REALLY surprised me this year. I thought they'd be in serious trouble without Lana and Lex but - aside from us seeing the same street over and over and some continuity booboos here and there, I've really been excited to see the show every week. I can't wait for January 15 for the next episode. So, SV gets my vote.

There are different reasons for Heroes to be better, and for Smallville to as well.
But I just think Smallville has won this year and most likely will win next year as well.
(If Season Nine for Smallville happens and Season Four happens for Heroes)

[pizzahead2490]

smallville by far, i do watch heroes its just at this moment heroes is becoming a little stupid... it makes no sense what so ever... i dont know how long i am going to be able to watch it.

[Fat Elvis 007]

I think "Heroes" started out much, much better. Season 1 is, IMO, better than any season "Smallville" has ever produced.

But the drop in quality since then has been unbelievable. The expectations from the first season were never met. At least SV is consistently bad, so we know what we're getting. :p

[Krypto~Luan]

I think "Heroes" started out much, much better. Season 1 is, IMO, better than any season "Smallville" has ever produced.

But the drop in quality since then has been unbelievable. The expectations from the first season were never met. At least SV is consistently bad, so we know what we're getting. :p

Sarcasam?:p

[6-Super-Man -5]

Sarcasam?:p

No, I think he just doesn't like Smallville, so he is trying to make Smallville look bad, but its not working.

[Krypto~Luan]

No, I think he just doesn't like Smallville, so he is trying to make Smallville look bad, but its not working.

-_- i doubt anyone who doesnt like the show would waste thier time to join its fansite.


VIVA LA SMALLVILLE!

[unfocused]

If you don't like his post, then maybe this one will work for you :)


I really like Heroes, and thought Season 3 had a really strong start, but some of the retroactive continuity, started with "Villains," really bothers me. Too many coincidences. I am so over go-to-the-past, or go-to-the-future episodes, though I hope it'll rebound. There are some great actors and great performances on the show, and some talented people working on it.

Smallville on the other hand has REALLY surprised me this year. I thought they'd be in serious trouble without Lana and Lex but - aside from us seeing the same street over and over and some continuity booboos here and there, I've really been excited to see the show every week. I can't wait for January 15 for the next episode. So, SV gets my vote.
I, personally, agree with every word of Craigs thoughts here.

[Andyville]

IMO, in general Heroes is better than Smallville for reasons mentioned above. For the running seasons I still prefer Heroes (how cool is they brought in Robert Forster as Arthur Petrelli) than Smallville. However s8 of SV may very well prove to be one of its best, nearly all of the episodes are fairly decent (save Plastique and Toxic) which is not a case of SV at all. I just hope they keep up the good stuff right through the end.

As for Heroes, despite many arguements from the fans, I think the show still has its powers rather than being powerless (like Peter) and Fugitives sounds like its going to be fun.

So I'm enjoying both shows right now and waiting to see how it turns out.

[Fat Elvis 007]

No, I think he just doesn't like Smallville, so he is trying to make Smallville look bad, but its not working.

I'm not trying to do anything other than express my opinion. I don't have some agenda to make everyone hate "Smallville" or make them think that "Heroes" is better (at the moment, I don't think "Heroes" IS any better). Jeez.

Just because I am disappointed with both shows doesn't mean I don't like them. Both started out strong, and have had some great moments that keep me coming back for more. But, especially in "Smallville's" case, they have sacrificed a lot of the potential they originally had for cheap gimmicks. And any real fan of a show hates when that happens, and posts about their disapproval.

I'm really sick of the notion that seems to have taken hold of this board recently that if you don't like something about a show, you should just stop watching/posting. :confused: That attitude doesn't make sense to me.

[Krypto~Luan]

I'm not trying to do anything other than express my opinion. I don't have some agenda to make everyone hate "Smallville" or make them think that "Heroes" is better (at the moment, I don't think "Heroes" IS any better). Jeez.

Just because I am disappointed with both shows doesn't mean I don't like them. Both started out strong, and have had some great moments that keep me coming back for more. But, especially in "Smallville's" case, they have sacrificed a lot of the potential they originally had for cheap gimmicks. And any real fan of a show hates when that happens, and posts about their disapproval.

I'm really sick of the notion that seems to have taken hold of this board recently that if you don't like something about a show, you should just stop watching/posting. :confused: That attitude doesn't make sense to me.

Post away my friend Post away.

To each his own.

[Fat Elvis 007]

Post away my friend Post away.

To each his own.

Thanks. :)

[Krypto~Luan]

Thanks. :)

Now that i think about it, would you really have clarks face if you didnt like smallville?

[Fat Elvis 007]

Now that i think about it, would you really have clarks face if you didnt like smallville?

Hehe...if you read the caption above, you'll see that I actually have it there as a critique. :\

[KalEltheBoyscout]

I actually watched the first four episodes of "Heroes". I have to admit that I really enjoyed them. But "Smallville" will always be the #1 show for me.

[HeartChakraBabe]

Smallville, without a doubt. I watched the first two seasons of Heroes, and then I stopped after season three's premiere. It just had too much going on and it wasn't worth it anymore. There are so many characters that you can't truly get attached to any, because none of them have enough screen time. Plus, I didn't like how they made practically everyone out to be a villian this season. That's my opinion, anyway.

[6-Super-Man -5]

I actually watched the first four episodes of "Heroes". I have to admit that I really enjoyed them. But "Smallville" will always be the #1 show for me.

I agree.
And thats why both shows deserve one more season!

[Magda Halliwell]

I personally like Smallville better. Hereos (which) I still watch lost its way and has had a hard time coming out of it!

[Lexgirl33]

Im going to go with Hereos...while it may have lost its way there is always more going on to keep my interest.

[unfocused]

Heroes is practically nothing compared to Smallville.

I was actually thinking about this while watching the latest episode of Heroes. None of those supposed "heroes" could ever hold a candle to Clark. Sylar would have been dealt with a long time ago, lol.

I'm hoping Heroes finds it's way eventually. But I doubt it ever will. It became a lost cause once they ruined their best character. And now I can't even stay interested anymore. I just continue to watch because I owe it to them to keep watching :)