Lois/Oliver Scene

[x THE CHEETAH x]

I just had to mention this... I completely loved the scene where Lois spoke straight from her heart about Clark, without saying his name... but, Ollie knew right away who she was talking about... I was literally pumping my fist up in the air when Ollie said, "... because I know Clark"... I guess I like the fact that it's a true enough love that its aura is seen by those who know them best. Great and awesome scene...

[Guidron]

I thought that was awesome too. Erica did a fantastic job with that scene, and Justin totally nailed the way he delivered it.

[x THE CHEETAH x]

I thought that was awesome too. Erica did a fantastic job with that scene, and Justin totally nailed the way he delivered it.

Yeah, their performances were good, but I loved the fact that the writers are letting key characters (i.e. Oliver) know that there's an undeniable love that has grown between Clark and Lois... good stuff...

[lm1212]

Ok, so it may not have been as important as Doomsday's raid on the party, or Lana's return, or the direct Clois action, but I absolutely loved it! At first, I was a little worried, because it wasn't that long go that Lois and Ollie were together, and it almost seemed like Lois still had feelings for him in "Toxic". But Ollie really played a great role here! He understands that what Clark and Lois could have is more important that the old Oliver/Lois thing. What kind of ex would be so caring in the situation?

[LoveHurts38]

What I enjoyed is Oliver telling her that he is thier for her.

[fa8362]

It was a great scene...only behind the Clark/Lois cufflink scene and the Clark/Lois almost kiss scene.

[lrog127]

I loved this scene. ..Even though Oliver is great and Lois is great they're not right for eachother and they know this, so playing the friends card was wonderful for the Ollie character. He made Lois realize that Clark is the man.
This is kind of the direction I hope the Clana scenes will end up going the next couple episodes. It would be great if Lana helps Clark to realize what he has with Lois, and only act as a friend and not a lover anymore... you know, wrap Clana roma up already!

[amalie]

It was a lovely scene, I've been a bit frustrated with Ollie lately but he redeemed himself in that scene. Lois needed someone to confide in and he, rather surprisingly, was a great choice. The acting in that scene was great aswell.

[mistaguitarmasta]

Yeah that was a good scene. I think it was great how Oliver knew that Lois was talking about Clark. Nice touch. And Erica is just fantastic this year. Just as S5 was Allison's year to really shine more than before, S8 is Erica's year. Brilliant.

[PATMAN]

its good to see oliver acting decent again...

[geminis]

Lois and Oliver again proving that they are two adults. Wasn't expecting the scene, but yet again they show how awesome they are together.

I wanted to hug both of them, for different reasons.

[Wicked Lois]

I loved it.

[x THE CHEETAH x]

Yeah that was a good scene. I think it was great how Oliver knew that Lois was talking about Clark. Nice touch. And Erica is just fantastic this year. Just as S5 was Allison's year to really shine more than before, S8 is Erica's year. Brilliant.

... I definitely agree... I love the fact that Ollie knew who Lois was referring to. Just like Oliver said, he "knows Clark"... so, it probably wasn't hard for him to figure out that whoever could get to Lois and for her to have such deep and genuine feelings, it must be someone as admirable and incredible as Clark. Great scene...

[lm1212]

Yeah, this redeemed him for me too. The whole revenge thing had me worried...

[SteveS]

Thank you, Oliver, for saving lois from drinking herself stupid and drunk.

[Genevieve]

I thought the scene was odd. I think it's great that they are friends, and Oliver's offer to be there for her as a friend but two things seemed off.

1. The reason Lois broke up with Oliver was because she felt she coudln't share him with the world. She gave him up so he could go off and save the world. She even reitrates this in "Toxic." Oliver knows her reasons and her stance on this. It made little sense to me that he'd encourage Clois knowing how Lois feels about the whole hero thing. Hello, Clark's a hero.

2. Oliver's discussion with Clark about how humans don't always understand or are able to cope with the alien stuff/baggage that Clark has. This was from his talk in "Bloodline."

Why would Oliver encourage Lois, knowing both of those things?

I think I get what they were going for. A supportive/friend vibe between Lollie, and that's fine, and came off well to some extent, but based on what happened previously, I kind of wonder if the writers forgot Oliver's earlier dialogue and actions in the other episodes. It sort of had me scratching my head, based on what I'd seen previously, if I'm making any sense here at all. :)

[pizzahead2490]

i dont think oliver was incouraging lois to go after clark just that he knew she was talking about him and he was there for her.

[x THE CHEETAH x]

I thought the scene was odd. I think it's great that they are friends, and Oliver's offer to be there for her as a friend but two things seemed off.

1. The reason Lois broke up with Oliver was because she felt she coudln't share him with the world. She gave him up so he could go off and save the world. She even reitrates this in "Toxic." Oliver knows her reasons and her stance on this. It made little sense to me that he'd encourage Clois knowing how Lois feels about the whole hero thing. Hello, Clark's a hero.

2. Oliver's discussion with Clark about how humans don't always understand or are able to cope with the alien stuff/baggage that Clark has. This was from his talk in "Bloodline."

Why would Oliver encourage Lois, knowing both of those things?

I think I get what they were going for. A supportive/friend vibe between Lollie, and that's fine, and came off well to some extent, but based on what happened previously, I kind of wonder if the writers forgot Oliver's earlier dialogue and actions in the other episodes. It sort of had me scratching my head, based on what I'd seen previously, if I'm making any sense here at all. :)

... maybe you're digging a little deep... making it more complicated than it really is... I think it's as simple as what Oliver said... he "knows Clark"... and he just simply sees Lois and Clark for who they are to each other... an undeniably new and great love.

You make valid points, however I think ultimately those points you made are overcome with common-sense... they love and need each other.. and Ollie sees it.

[loliverlover]

i just loved their scene together and the dialogue was great

[FinnHarp]

I loved this because although Oliver was sort of pimping the Clois, he wasn't dropping anvils all over the place like Jimmy or Maxima or Kara or practically everyone else has been doing all season.

[Genevieve]

... maybe you're digging a little deep... making it more complicated than it really is... I think it's as simple as what Oliver said... he "knows Clark"... and he just simply sees Lois and Clark for who they are to each other... an undeniably new and great love.

You make valid points, however I think ultimately those points you made are overcome with common-sense... they love and need each other.. and Ollie sees it.


I'm just wanking it as the writers not remembering what characters have done and said in the past as often happens on this show.

Don't get me wrong, I thought it was a nice scene overall, just some things didn't jive for me and it seemed as though Oliver was reversing his earlier stance by encouraging Clois, IMO. And I agree, at least there were no falling anvils here, just a nice conversation, but yeah.. it did get me wondering about the other points I mentioned.

[FinnHarp]

I'm just wanking it as the writers not remembering what characters have done and said in the past as often happens on this show.

Don't get me wrong, I thought it was a nice scene overall, just some things didn't jive for me and it seemed as though Oliver was reversing his earlier stance by encouraging Clois, IMO. And I agree, at least there were no falling anvils here, just a nice conversation, but yeah.. it did get me wondering about the other points I mentioned.


maybe Oliver sees that what Lois and Clark have goes way deeper than what he and Lois had and that while she wasn't able to share him with the world, she wouldn't have the same problem with clark. He knows she can handle the secret and be trusted to keep it.

[Genevieve]

maybe Oliver sees that what Lois and Clark have goes way deeper than what he and Lois had and that while she wasn't able to share him with the world, she wouldn't have the same problem with clark. He knows she can handle the secret and be trusted to keep it.

I don't know where he'd get that from though after one conversation. But who knows, could be Oliver's changed his mind about the whole thing after all. *shrugs* I was just wondering about it and thought I'd mention it.

[lane06]

i have always loved her scene with oliver and now it makes me wish they'd get back together even for a while..but that's just me. they do make a good looking couple though

[FinnHarp]

^ yup, whenever smallville ends...hopefully not for a while...they should give erica and justin their own show, one where they're drunk all the time. it'd be funny.

[batfinx]

1. The reason Lois broke up with Oliver was because she felt she coudln't share him with the world. She gave him up so he could go off and save the world. She even reitrates this in "Toxic." Oliver knows her reasons and her stance on this. It made little sense to me that he'd encourage Clois knowing how Lois feels about the whole hero thing. Hello, Clark's a hero.

You've forgotten what she said to Oliver about finally finding someone who needs her. All heroes are not created equal. Oliver is a guy who never hurts for female company even if it's a one night stand. We know he cheated on Tess and he cheated in the comics as well. He doesn't give off the vibe of someone who needs a woman by his side, but in Lois's mind, Clark does. It's not about heroes in general, it's about them as individuals. Oliver and Clark are friends and they are heroes, but emotionally and morally they're almost nothing alike.

That was true on LnC too. It wasn't just about love, it was about feeling needed and important in the relationship. Lois said as much in Siren when she said "where Ollie's life is going there's no room for me in it and I know he'd never admit that so I had to". Lois Lane is never just a love interest and so while loving or being loved might be enough for a simple love interest character, it's not enough for Lois Lane.


2. Oliver's discussion with Clark about how humans don't always understand or are able to cope with the alien stuff/baggage that Clark has. This was from his talk in "Bloodline."

And here you're forgetting is what Kara said in the exact same episode. She said Lois could handle it and that Clark wouldn't have let Lois get so close unless he believed it was true too. In the scene you're referring to Oliver said to Clark "Chloe's knee deep in these situations that, pardon the expression, humans just don't understand". Remember what Chloe did that caused Oliver to say that? Her eyes turned white and she was moving a generator with mental power and had the strength to push Oliver all the way across the room. That's generally not the kind of thing Lois Lane does when she's involved romantically with Clark/Superman :lol:


I think I get what they were going for. A supportive/friend vibe between Lollie, and that's fine, and came off well to some extent, but based on what happened previously, I kind of wonder if the writers forgot Oliver's earlier dialogue and actions in the other episodes. It sort of had me scratching my head, based on what I'd seen previously, if I'm making any sense here at all.

You're making sense, but only selectively. You're filtering out moments that contradict your conclusion. Watch Siren again and pay close attention to what Lois says to Clark and the parallel she makes to her father. He loved her, but didn't need her in the sense of being important to his life goal. She even acknowledged he had good reasons for seeing his role as her father as secondary as his role as a general, but in her personal life, her romantic future, she wants a man who needs her and sees her as important to what he does.

As for the Oliver/Lois scene itself, it was great and smartly written. There's a line Oliver says that not only applies to himself and Lois, but will apply to Clark and Lana as well. He says "You know there's moving on in theory and then there's the moment it actually happens". It has actually happened for Lois and Oliver. They've moved on and can be friends and care about each other on that level. It hasn't happened for Clark and Lana yet because their relationship never had a tenth of that kind of honesty, but I have a feeling they'll reach that moment during the Lana arc.

[lm1212]

^ Good Post, I agree.

[Alicia Chipy]

For
me this scene brought final closure to Lollie.I found it an unexpected bonus,plus it clears up why Lois and Ollie were unhurt by Doomsday.

[Genevieve]

I'm talking about what Oliver knows and what he's said and done, from his POV only. I'm not talking about Kara or anyone else, so yes I'm being selective in that way, because I'm talking about him and why he'd say that, but YMMV. Not here to get into a debate with anyone, just making observations about Oliver's comments to Lois, and how they seemed to contradict his earlier statements. Oliver had no way of knowing what Kara or Lois said when he wasn't there.

[Poyntz]

as for lois and ollie unhurt by doomsday.It doesnt clear that up to me. If they were sitting on the porch they should of saw him coming and would of been first hit by him i would of thought. Lois's dress was still purfect not even a smudge of dirt after the chaos that took place. LOL

[FinnHarp]

they were sitting on the front porch, the barn is around the back and a good distance from the house. In all other episodes when someone drives up to the house they appear to arrive at the back so Even if Doosday drove up in an ice cream van blaring Bat Out Of Hell they probably would't have seen him. As for not getting hurt, by the time they would've gotten round to the barn he was gone because it was a bit of a smash and grab job, it only lasted a few seconds.

[Poyntz]

True.. But doesnt explain the perfectly clean dress lois had on. Even if they arrived after i'm sure she would of went through the rubble and had some sort of blood on her with all the blood and stuff around when she was trying to confort anyone. (eg: Maybe bending down to jimmy and trying to talk to him.) You cant tell my her dress would still look like brand new.

Besides. I dont think Doomy drove in an automoble. And who knows what direction he was coming from it might not been the road. But what you said makes it more posable

[singingdove]

I loved the Lollie scene! It really showed both characters' maturity, and also the great chemistry that Erica and Justin have. I think if for some reason I was in a parallel world where I didn't ship Clois, I'd root for these two. But they make great friends as well. I hope we see more scenes between the two of them later in the season.

[LoisL]

It was nice to have Lois and Oliver finally talk this season but, as with seemingly all other ships on this show this season, the accelerated change in their dynamic surprised me. IMHO the Lana/Oliver scene revolving around her respect for his GA identity and their shared friendship w/Clark would've made more sense as a just-friends-now Lollie kind of scene than this one. (and yeah, i thought lana and oliver's honesty and friendliness were bizarre)

[loliverlover]

I loved the Lollie scene! It really showed both characters' maturity, and also the great chemistry that Erica and Justin have. I think if for some reason I was in a parallel world where I didn't ship Clois, I'd root for these two. But they make great friends as well. I hope we see more scenes between the two of them later in the season.

same here except that i do ship lollie but clois comes as a very close second and i also am hoping for more future lollie scenes

[malcrew]

Good scene.

[Kal-El 2005]

I loved this scene, it was one of the best for the episode. There was something there, something genuine, something real in the scene that I haven't seen in Smallville in a while. I thought it was a proper mature adult conversation between Oliver and Lois. Great scene, really nice of Oliver with the whole moving on thing. I'm really starting to root for Clois happening now.

[Mickey_Bickey]

I actually liked this scene. Enough time has gone by where these two can be friends now. You're going to see the same transformation with Clark and Lana too. We actually did witness a little of that in this episode during their conversation in the loft. Clark was not moping after hearing Lana say that maybe they're just not meant to be together, and the way he left the hospital you could see that he was not pining over her the way he once did. He and Lana will part friends before Lois returns.

I think with Oliver and Lois' scene together was really well done, because at this point Lois is definitely in love with Clark, and she doesn't have any romantic feelings left for Oliver and visa versa. They can now be good friends, as Oliver pointed out. He can now be somewhat of a confidant for her, and he may play a future role in getting Clark to recognize his feelings for Lois.

[x THE CHEETAH x]

I actually liked this scene. Enough time has gone by where these two can be friends now. You're going to see the same transformation with Clark and Lana too. We actually did witness a little of that in this episode during their conversation in the loft. Clark was not moping after hearing Lana say that maybe they're just not meant to be together, and the way he left the hospital you could see that he was not pining over her the way he once did. He and Lana will part friends before Lois returns.

I think with Oliver and Lois' scene together was really well done, because at this point Lois is definitely in love with Clark, and she doesn't have any romantic feelings left for Oliver and visa versa. They can now be good friends, as Oliver pointed out. He can now be somewhat of a confidant for her, and he may play a future role in getting Clark to recognize his feelings for Lois.

... well said.

[ClarkyBoy14]

It was a very lovely and surprising scene. Very well acted too.

I remember during the summer a lot of fans were asking for Lollie to have closure and become friends. I wonder if PS3 did this because the fans asked for it, or if they already were going to do it.

[BULLITT]

"Because I know Clark."


Bruce Wayne much?;)

[EternalTwilight]

This was one of my favorite scenes in the episode. I was expecting a lot of awkwardness at first. I was surprised at his maturity and how he handled the whole situation. Most of all, I loved that he knew who she was talking about without a hint of doubt.

[kropek]

I loved the Lollie scene! It really showed both characters' maturity, and also the great chemistry that Erica and Justin have. I think if for some reason I was in a parallel world where I didn't ship Clois, I'd root for these two. But they make great friends as well. I hope we see more scenes between the two of them later in the season.

i agree :)

[Hopefulsuicide]

yeah definately good too see the ship developing outside of hints and innuendos... if other people know about it then it seems more real

[loliverlover]

yeah i completely fell in love with that scene

[SnowBird]

It was a great scene but I still have to say that it seems awkward to be telling your ex stuff about another man you love. I haven't had much experience with this since I married my first and only love. I would have felt better about it if Lois could have talked to another woman.

[borednow]

It was a great scene but I still have to say that it seems awkward to be telling your ex stuff about another man you love. I haven't had much experience with this since I married my first and only love. I would have felt better about it if Lois could have talked to another woman.

Your right there was some awkwardness to it, but it was nice because it was addressed. Lois didn't want to talk to him about it for that very reason but Ollie pushed to move from being eternal ex's to being good friends instead and just be able to talk. Strangely I don't see Lois talking to a woman about these things... she's just not a girl talk type. So a guy fit and the only other guys she seems to know are Clark, cause of problem, and Jimmy, guy who just got married and it would be very rude, I think, to talk about your relationship problems with someone on their wedding day.

[pizzahead2490]

it was good scene, but i am slighty tierd of all these charcters saying that lois and clark should be together.

to me aint mean nothing unless both lois and clark belivie that.

[davidbrenton]

That was definitely my favorite scene. I voted best ED scene ever (Through writing and acting...the writing and everything was so spot on and gave her an opportunity to deliver...and deliver she did).

Oliver's knowledge was a great touch and I thought the awkwardness just made the scene that much more interesting.

[SnowBird]

Your right there was some awkwardness to it, but it was nice because it was addressed. Lois didn't want to talk to him about it for that very reason but Ollie pushed to move from being eternal ex's to being good friends instead and just be able to talk. Strangely I don't see Lois talking to a woman about these things... she's just not a girl talk type. So a guy fit and the only other guys she seems to know are Clark, cause of problem, and Jimmy, guy who just got married and it would be very rude, I think, to talk about your relationship problems with someone on their wedding day.

Lois did have a heart to heart talk with Martha. She said she probably wouldn't recognize her soul mate if she stared him in the face (something like that). Who knows a woman better than another woman. I guess there just wasn't one around when Lois needed to talk.

[SteveS]

Oliver's line was just a meaningless throw-down phrase with nothing have been shown in Oliver's dealings with ClarkMan that indicates that the latter is in need of a lois. If anything, it is lois who is desperately in need of someone to save her in more ways than one.

[Bizarrolover]

I think Martha was very much aware of the attraction between Lois and Clark but being the wise mom she was, she didn't say a word and allowed them to discover that on their own. Lois just did (and she's transparent as hell with her feelings) and Clark still has to. Clark was still brooding over Lana when that conversation took place and Martha knew he had to resolve that before thinking of someone new.

But you're right snowbird, Lois doesn't have any other female figure to talk to aside from Chloe. Yet, I think it was a good thing that she talked about this with a man, because sometimes they are better listeners, they are more objective and less emotional than women. And Ollie was all kindness with her. After the dance with Clark, that is my favorite scene of the episode.

[dcmarriott]

Ever since "Committed", there have been any number of scenes in which it appeared that Clark was aware of Loi's feelings, was about to say something, and then didn't. Perhaps Oliver has noticed that his friend has some unexpressed feelings for Lois, and has a pretty good idea of what they are. In that scene with Lois, Oliver is not just trying to be a friend to her, but he is also trying to help Clark by encouraging Lois not to give up on him.

[LCforever]

I liked this scene because it solidifies the fact that Clois isn't just a figment of people's imagination and Lois' ex, Oliver can even see it!

Oliver has some respect for Clark and knows that since Lois is love with him, he has NO CHANCE whatsoever in getting back with her.

Besides, I think his mind is on "Mercy" now. Them two are pretty hot!

[Clana4Life]

Isn't this a little strange though, considering Lois was crying at his beside a few episodes earlier talking about wondering if she should have let him go? I wonder if Oliver knows that? And also, was it a big leap for Oliver to figure this out? A little deductive reasoning and it would have to be Clark. He brought Lana back - he knows the Clana history. Lois is now upset and talking about a guy. Lois spends most of her time with Clark...I think he had to guess it was Clark. I don't know why he said "I think he needs you." Maybe he wanted to make her feel better. Maybe he was personifying his own feelings. Unless something happened in offscreenland, they haven't given us enough interaction from Clark and Oliver for Oliver to know whether or not Clark needs Lois. This is the same Oliver who had just encouraged Lana to come back and see Clark and attend Chloe's wedding. What he said to Lois was sweet, but it would have been good if they could have shown us an onscreen basis for the comment.

[Kal-ed]

Actually i dont think its a stretch, Ollie is friends with both and know´s them enough to know important people in their life and right now, aside from Jimmy and himself, Ollie know´s Lois has no other man in her life but Clark, who else could it be, would be the better question, you dont get all worked up about a random guy, Ollie must have known it was someone close to her and to his knowledge it was either him, jimmy or Clark, the choice was rather easy IMO.

As for Lois being a few epis back crying by his side, at the end of the episode, her words were that of a woman who was moving on, sure, just like Clark she was bound to get confused, its normal in thos circumstances but I think she was over Ollie even before she knew it.

[alejandrita439]

yep,,, i loved that scene too :D

[old guy]

Lois did have a heart to heart talk with Martha. She said she probably wouldn't recognize her soul mate if she stared him in the face (something like that). Who knows a woman better than another woman. I guess there just wasn't one around when Lois needed to talk.

Actually, I think both Lois and Clark could benefit from having a heart to heart talk with Martha about their feelings, the concept of soulmates, etc.

Heck, I could really benefit from that because I would love to see Mama Kent come back for a few episodes as well. I really miss her.

[iThieve]

Ever since "Committed", there have been any number of scenes in which it appeared that Clark was aware of Loi's feelings, was about to say something, and then didn't. Perhaps Oliver has noticed that his friend has some unexpressed feelings for Lois, and has a pretty good idea of what they are. In that scene with Lois, Oliver is not just trying to be a friend to her, but he is also trying to help Clark by encouraging Lois not to give up on him.

mmhmm i concur.

[eifmp]

I loved this scene too..but what was the song in the background? Who is the artist.

I NEED TA KNOW!

Christopher.

[LuckyLois]

Oliver said in the first episode when he met Clark "about hiding his feeling in sarcasam if he had a such a beautiful women living under his roof", and Oliver I'm sure knows how Lois hides her feelings too. He can read her and Clark's little denial dance a mile away. Oliver must know he could never compete with Clark and what he stands for. Lois herself was uncomfortable at first when she saw Oliver, "just the person I wanted to see", but Oliver saw how upset she was and he knows that they are done so why not be friends! Oliver really enjoys Lois, as for Lois confiding in him and not a woman, some women have more male friends then women and feel more comfortable around guys. I can see Lois feeling that way after all she did grow up on an army base.

I loved that she didn't freak out when Oliver said "because I know Clark", because if Oliver can "SEE IT" and Jimmy can "SEE IT", it must really be there. (remember how she couldn't see true love between Chloe and Jimmy?!!:D

[DontCha]

I'm just wanking it as the writers not remembering what characters have done and said in the past as often happens on this show.

Don't get me wrong, I thought it was a nice scene overall, just some things didn't jive for me and it seemed as though Oliver was reversing his earlier stance by encouraging Clois, IMO. And I agree, at least there were no falling anvils here, just a nice conversation, but yeah.. it did get me wondering about the other points I mentioned.


Dear lord, to all the British people on the board, giggle with me you know you want to.:eek:

[Iluvgreen]

This was my favvorite scene also. I love Oliver, and how cute he is. I'm super excited that they are going to be friends now. When he said, "because I know Clark." I almost was about to squeel. Well I did. :o But yeah. it was abso frickin lutly amazing.

[loliverlover]

^^same here