What do you think about Smallville's Doomsday being able to speak & feel?

[xrayvision]

The one thing I wasn't crazy for in this episode was how Doomsday actually spoke. The actual Doomsday in the comics does not speak. He is a mindless creature who only knows how to kill.

In this episode we saw Doomsday speak Chloe's name and take her with him to the Fortress of Doom (my name for Doomsday's FOS). When they first mentioned Doomsday in Smallville as having a humanoid side (Davis), I thought Davis would be the only part of Doomsday who could talk & feel. I didn't think Doomsday would be able to do those things.

The Doomsday in the comics would never carry a human back to his lair. Heck there was a scene in a comic where a bird landed in his hand and he ripped it to shreds.

At least if they were going to make a Davis Bloom side to Doomsday, they should have kept the Doomsday side as a mindless monster.

[amberdawn]

I thought that was stupid, I'm not gonna lie. I don't like that he came to the wedding just for Chloe. Doomsday is not supposed to be a love sick puppy. It's laughable.

Other than that, I loved Sam's performance and I thought Doomsday looked awesome.

[Chlois Supporter]

The one thing I wasn't crazy for in this episode was how Doomsday actually spoke. The actual Doomsday in the comics does not speak. He is a mindless creature who only knows how to kill.

In this episode we saw Doomsday speak Chloe's name and take her with him to the Fortress of Doom (my name for Doomsday's FOS). When they first mentioned Doomsday in Smallville as having a humanoid side (Davis), I thought Davis would be the only part of Doomsday who could talk & feel. I didn't think Doomsday would be able to do those things.

The Doomsday in the comics would never carry a human back to his lair. Heck there was a scene in a comic where a bird landed in his hand and he ripped it to shreds.

At least if they were going to make a Davis Bloom side to Doomsday, they should have kept the Doomsday side as a mindless monster.

Actually,Doomsday, in the comics, eventually evolved to both speak, and feel. He gained intelligence and the ability to think for himself. For instance, in one of their last confrontations this was said to Doomsday by Supes:


You're different now. You can think for yourself. So think about this. Before, you were a mindless thing. Nothing could hurt you. You couldn't feel pain, much less understand it. But once you have felt it — it changes you — forever. And you'll begin to understand something new. Fear. I've lived with it all my life. You don't want to die again, do you? The agony of what's happened to you affects your speed — your strength... and that little bit of doubt — that you cannot win today — grows. You understand now, don't you? You will never hurt me again. You will never kill me again. Never again!

[ginnyfan]

I didn't mind it. He's gradually becoming Doomsday so maybe as time goes on he will become less and less human.

[susangail]

Yeah, it was goofy at best. And up until now, they'd pretty much implied the early comic interpretation by having Davis "wake up" covered with blood all the time.

I read somewhere that a later version of Doomsday in the comics had Kryptonian DNA spliced in, and that gave it fear and sentience. Superman was better able to fight it. I suspect that the SV folks are going with something more along that line by tying Doomsday to Zod & Faora.

[Dark_Superman]

i think the remaining humanity was only temp. as he changes more and more often he will lose that and become the mindless monster. i think he went for chloe cuz maybe part of her is still brainiac is a becon for his kryptonian senses. and that he took her to the fortress for that reason, thats my only logic for all that

[davidbrenton]

I like it. It's funny

[Atomic girl]

In this episode we saw Doomsday speak Chloe's name and take her with him to the Fortress of Doom (my name for Doomsday's FOS). When they first mentioned Doomsday in Smallville as having a humanoid side (Davis), I thought Davis would be the only part of Doomsday who could talk & feel. I didn't think Doomsday would be able to do those things.I thought he took her to the now corrupted FOS.

[STFanatic]

Doomsday is being controlled by Brainiac, otherwise why would he bring her to the Fortress for reprogramming.

[xrayvision]

I thought he took her to the now corrupted FOS.

Yeah, he did. My nickname for the corrupted FOS is the Fortress of Doom.

[Minela]

I don't mind, since I've always liked my villains with real emotions.

[faz]

And even before Doomsday learned to speak in the comics, he was able to almost get words out (like Mtttrrrppllss), which is similar to how it was portrayed here. And I'm thinking the emotions he was exhibiting here are just a lingering part of Davis that's still able to emerge when he's in Doomsday form. Eventually IMO Davis will no longer exist and he will just be Doomsday, and when that happens those emotions will disappear with him.

[xrayvision]

i think he went for chloe cuz maybe part of her is still brainiac is a becon for his kryptonian senses.

I think you're right because as soon as I saw her smiling I thought there must be something wrong with her still.

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I don't mind, since I've always liked my villains with real emotions.

Doomsday just shouldn't have emotions. I think once they gave him emotions in the comics, that's when they ruined & diluted him.

[NaYa]

And even before Doomsday learned to speak in the comics, he was able to almost get words out (like Mtttrrrppllss), which is similar to how it was portrayed here. And I'm thinking the emotions he was exhibiting here are just a lingering part of Davis that's still able to emerge when he's in Doomsday form. Eventually IMO Davis will no longer exist and he will just be Doomsday, and when that happens those emotions will disappear with him.

I agree with you...I think a part of Davis was still in there that's why he was able to recognize and not hurt Chloe.

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I don't mind, since I've always liked my villains with real emotions.

Me too! I think those make the best villains!

[Becc]

I like that Davis seems to still be in there it adds another layer to Doomsday. Who likes their villians to be mindless and entirely evil? Not me- this way Davis/Doomsday is a multi-dimensional character which is much more interesting.

[davidbrenton]

I love that Chloe is now Davis' last link to humanity. She's going to be the heroine of the storyline.

[xrayvision]

I like that Davis seems to still be in there it adds another layer to Doomsday. Who likes their villians to be mindless and entirely evil? Not me- this way Davis/Doomsday is a multi-dimensional character which is much more interesting.

I don't mind Davis having feelings & being able to talk. But not Doomsday. There are characters who are supposed to be mindless monsters and who are so much more threatening because they are mindless & can't be reasoned with. Doomsday is one of those characters. By changing that, they're ruining the character. They have so many other villians they can humanize. Why humanize both Davis & Doomsday? Why bother having a Davis Bloom side to Doomsday then?

[Becc]

I don't mind Davis having feelings & being able to talk. But not Doomsday. There are characters who are supposed to be mindless monsters and who are so much more threatening because they are mindless & can't be reasoned with. Doomsday is one of those characters. By changing that, they're ruining the character. They have so many other villians they can humanize. Why humanize both Davis & Doomsday? Why bother having a Davis Bloom side to Doomsday then?

Maybe the PS3 want to show that each side affects the other- which to me seems reasonable. That's why Doomsday has feelings for Chloe because they're part of Davis. Obviously they aren't expressed the same way eg: Davis tells Chloe she is marrying the wrong man while Doomsday kidnaps her from her wedding reception (and he seemed to have injured Jimmy more than any other guest). Or perhaps I'm way off base, only time will tell.

[STFanatic]

In the comics, Doomsday didn't have a human side also did he?

I admit I stopped buying comics just after the Doomsday Saga.

[NaYa]

I don't mind Davis having feelings & being able to talk. But not Doomsday. There are characters who are supposed to be mindless monsters and who are so much more threatening because they are mindless & can't be reasoned with. Doomsday is one of those characters. By changing that, they're ruining the character. They have so many other villians they can humanize. Why humanize both Davis & Doomsday? Why bother having a Davis Bloom side to Doomsday then?

Don't you think they've done something similar to Clark's character in Smallville. This Clark for the majority of the show had no balls and has begun to grow a pair. This is no the Clark from the mythos (yeah I know he's younger here but still come on) sometimes I wonder if he will become superman of superpathetic seriously.

[zHeN_zHeN]

Uhm... yeah, I'm just a little creeped out.

But, I have to agree with Becc. It does add a whole new dimension to DD's character and his storyline with Chloe.

[Titan27]

I voted for Davis/Doomsday to be a mindless monster. Because @ this point just like Faora said in "Bloodline" he is still evolving. Because even though Doomsday is a monster who is speechless & only kills. He evolves...and in the comics evolves the ability to speak later. In the comics when Doomsday kills Clark; he begins to learn speech...there's one part in particular when he learns the name "Metropolis" from a TV set; and sees it on the TV and follows the highway signs to Metropolis where Clark/Doomsday both fight to the death. Obviously since Doomsday is immortal; he is later reborn, and eventually learns how to communicate through speech.

Later: Superman sets out to find Doomsday and make sure he is dead because Superman keeps having nightmares about how he "died" and is terrified of that happening now that he is married to Lois and finally happy. When Superman confronts Doomsday again, Doomsday is able to think and speak for himself, and Superman tells him this time now that he knows Clark/Superman can kill him. He has lost that mental advantage & understand pain so he feels it this fight which results in Superman/Clark being able to defeat him easily the second time around. A lot of people were really disappointed with the Doomsday "sequels."

Later even, Doomsday help fight for & protects Clark/Superman in other battles. Doomsday returns to earth & becomes an almost "crime fighter". (Never read these ones so take it with 1/2 a heart and research it yourself, but I do know it happens in the comics.)

He is really never the same cold, mindless, ruthless killer again after Superman kills him the first time. He evolves & learns about mortality/pain.

[hellnback]

the one thing i will say that smallville got right is that they gave doomsday an interesting backstory. unlike the comics where he's just an unstoppable killing machine and has been considered one of the lamest villians due to him not having any background to relate to. the way i feel doomsday should be is that his humanity eventually goes away. everything that was once human and good is completely gone and all is left is this killer. but as those who know his background we can just look back and say "wow and to think he used to be a paramedic saving lives and doing good". now he's the opposite.

[cloisornothing]

I didn't mind it. He's gradually becoming Doomsday so maybe as time goes on he will become less and less human.

That's what I am thinking. Davis is still inside Doomsday. Davis still loves Chloe. Poor Davis, he wouldn't be able to come back as human form (for now?), he coudn't even control it. that's so sad.

[justincredible]

davis hasn't fully transformed yet he will still have his emotions for now but he will to start gradually lose them:)

[Kal-ed]

I like it cause I believe ists gradual. Right now there´s still some Davis Bloom there, with time the human side will be fading as the monster side takes over.

Maybe Im being over confident but I have a lot of faith in the new producers, I was amazed at something tonight, lets put aside the fact that AlMiles would have never brought Doomsday to the show but there was this small detail but enough for me to put my whole trust in the new showrunners.

I Tivoed the episode, cause I was in class, during Class I had my lap top on and I was searching for ONE important piece of info, just one thing I wanted to know, if Clark threw only one punch or not, as it turned out, it was true, a poster was complaining about it only one punch, I was appalled and disapointed, I cursed the gawds and here´s the amzing thing is, when I saw that it was only a punch I planed on complaining at an open letter thread adressed to TPTB and I planed on saying and this is factual : "Clark cant go down with one punch, at least you should have had the green K he always keeps on his desk be the thing that stops him"... Imagine my surprise (good one) when it turned out to be true, not because I guessed it but because they actually took the trouble of going that far to explain to us why that brawl didnt go on for longer, instead of just having Clark being knocked out with ONE friggin punch.
I trust this guys,

[albertovi]

doomsday does speak later on in the comic book series.
doomsday dosent die the first time superman kills him and when he comes back later on hees smart and stuff, so hees not allways a mindless monster.

but the reason that doomsday can speak is because (some of you arent gonna like this) of the way the creators of smallville have made him.
and i think they know this, bacause... y'know the darkness covering doomsday.. so you cant really make anything out, i think thats bacause they know that cant portray doomsday as a humanoid kind of character.

overall im disapointed by this.. but im gonna kaap on watching, mostly to see how they make everyone forget about doomsday.
bacuse in the comics the first time superman and most people meet doomsday is when the big fight is on.

soo.. ill wait and see....

[Kal-ed]

I don't mind Davis having feelings & being able to talk. But not Doomsday. There are characters who are supposed to be mindless monsters and who are so much more threatening because they are mindless & can't be reasoned with. Doomsday is one of those characters. By changing that, they're ruining the character. They have so many other villians they can humanize. Why humanize both Davis & Doomsday? Why bother having a Davis Bloom side to Doomsday then?


I agree with you, he should be mindless. I really liked what Superman told Doomsday when they fought the second time around, that even with Doomsdays powers and abilities his greatest streght was his lack or reason, not being able to comprehend danger (hence not knowing fear) gave him an edge, no doubts, no retreats when he should of gone forward, just a perpetual green light. It gave depth to a mindless aparently depthless character. But Doomsday´s evolution in the comics apart, in Smallville, its a gradual thing, SW still has a few episodes signed, so Im sure Doomsday will revert back to his human form, plus what Feora told him, we can agree he´s not fully developed, I think once he goes all the way, there wont be a back and he wont have feelings nor speech (although as someone nothed, Doomsday did speak in the Death of Superman arc, he saw a wrestling comercial that mentioned Metropolis and he uttered the word then proceded to head in that direction.)

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I think Doomsday should be a mindless monster and not I repeat NOT another lovesick BDA.

[ColdPlay3r]

he will turn in2 dat mindless monster

[Bane]

We all have to keep in mind that Davis is still evolving...I don't think he's the full blown Doomsday yet, he has a little ways to go before getting there. Him speaking wasn't that bad though, I didn't mind at all.

[B_M4N]

Doomsday has never been a mindless monster his problem was that he is driven by desire so in most cases he has the urge to kill Superman or in this case take Chloe back to Brainiac, and he has always had the ability to speak it just tends to not happen when he is killing everyone in sight dead bodies don't really have a lot to say.

[zorasuperman]

ehhh doesn really matter to me
eitehr way hes still massacring ppl and stuff

[Super Maverick]

doomsday is awesome

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Not all incarnations of Doomsday are mindless.

[xrayvision]

In the comics, Doomsday didn't have a human side also did he?

I admit I stopped buying comics just after the Doomsday Saga.

Nope. There was never anything human about him. He was created as a creature and recreated as a creature every time he was cloned by Bertron including the final time where he obtained the ability to become invulnerable to anything that kills him.

[optinox]

Well theres different storylines for DD in the comics. There was one variaton/storyline where Brainiac infected a newborn baby with DD dna. The baby grew up and evolved into DD with a concious/slight human thought. In smallvilles version, i think DD dna/genetic mateiral inside davis hasn't fully taken over. I'm gonna assume eventually there won't be anymore Davis inside, meaning no more transformation to human form. Also because Davis has strong feelings for chloe, maybe he was able to use some human traits, like say "chloe" before he picked up, i mentioend this in another post. DD was somewhat gentle, compared to how he is in the comics, i think this is due to davis still being part of DD. So to the answer the question it makes sense, DD sorta displays traits like the Incredible Hulk movies.

This is from wikipedia, but gives some of the ideas smallville may be using with DD...

The Doomsday Wars

Doomsday returned yet again in the mini-series The Doomsday Wars. In this series, Prin Vnok, an underling of Brainiac uses his technology to travel to the End of Time to retrieve Doomsday in order to combine the beast's massive power with Brainiac's formidable intellect (this was later revealed to have taken place due to the timeline's reconstruction following the events of 'Zero Hour', when the former (at that time) Green Lantern Hal Jordan, presently known as Parallax broke down creation and the heroes were forced to trigger their own Big Bang to stop him; the reconstruction of time meant that Brainiac was able to change the outcome of Doomsday's defeat).

Doomsday's will proved too strong to override completely with psionics, and he reacted too quickly for any chemical process to eliminate his simple mind, so Brainiac attempted to use a human host to genetically engineer a Doomsday body without the mind while temporarily lodging in Doomsday's head. He chose to use Pete Ross and Lana Lang's newborn baby, born eight weeks premature and transported by Superman to a hospital. Brainiac intercepted Superman during the attempt and stole the baby to hurt his long-time foe, correctly deducing that it was the child of someone close to Superman. In the end, Superman thwarted Brainiac's plot by driving him out of Doomsday's body via the use of a telepathy-blocking 'psi-blocker'. He then lured Doomsday to the moon, where he placed Doomsday in a kind of stasis with four Justice League teleporters; perpetually transporting between those four booths, Doomsday would never be more than 25% integrated, and thus unable to 'think' of a plan to escape.

[Bane]

Doomsday has never been a mindless monster his problem was that he is driven by desire so in most cases he has the urge to kill Superman or in this case take Chloe back to Brainiac, and he has always had the ability to speak it just tends to not happen when he is killing everyone in sight dead bodies don't really have a lot to say.


Uh...what? I don't know if you noticed, but Doomsday has appeared as mindless in many incarnations, with a few exceptions. He can't talk, that's why he doesn't say anything. If he could talk and had intelligence as great as you suggest, wouldn't he have just tried to figure out where he was at instead of killing countless people and fighting Superman?

[Iluvgreen]

I'm not sure its that bad that he can talk.... Feeling might be another thing. WHo knows if he can yet....

[Wildfire]

To put it simply, it makes him much more interesting than just a mindless soulless, personality lacking monster from another planet. I would he stay on as long as he wants. Maybe with him and Tess trashing up the place things won't be so boring.

[last man of krypton]

I'm pretty happy with the approach Smallville's taken to DD's intelligence. It wasn't like he was quoting Shakespeare or speaking articulately, all I heard from him was a growl sounding like "Chloe". That doesn't suggest intelligence per se, but perhaps just a couple of jumbled memories and emotions left over from the Davis personality (not unlike DD's comic incarnation where he's drawn to Superman because he's Kryptonian).

[wolverine316]

I have a problem with it because Doomsday being in love with Chloe is stupid. My fear is that it won't be Clark who will stop Doomsday as he should since he is the hero of the show and it would be kick ass but it will be Davis' love for Chloe that controls the monster within. Give me a barf bag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[costas22]

Maybe it has nothing to do with love.Maybe it's Brainiac in Chloe connecting with Doomsday and instructing him.How else would Doomsday know where the FOS was?

[Wildfire]

Maybe it has nothing to do with love.Maybe it's Brainiac in Chloe connecting with Doomsday and instructing him.How else would Doomsday know where the FOS was?

I think there is something to this. How else would he know about the fortress and how to get to it?

[biggkoz]

I was never a big follower in the comics world so I guess the smallville version will do fine.

[migo]

If you read the Wikipedia article, you see there are two versions of Doomsday. The second one, with feelings, is weaker than the first, allowing Superman to win the rematch. That's probably what they're leaving in place so Clark can actually win the final showdown, because non-flying Clark vs version 1 of Doomsday is totally ****ed Clark.

[optinox]

Its not DD that loves chloe, it's davis that likes chloe. DD is inside davis, taking transformation from within. DD's dna or genetic material somehow evolved into a human, or somehow got inside davis. Davis said he's missing the first 3 years of his life, maybe he was evolving into human form. This makes total sense, he started out with human form/traits, fell in love with chloe, confided in her about his problems. So even though he transformed into DD, he still had remains of human thought...makes sense why he didn't just kill/destroy anything in sight, unless feeling threatened like the cop did. I'm going to take a guess that eventually there will be no more davis, and just DD when he fully evolves with nothing but growling, no small words like "chloe" similar to what the Hulk does in the movies.

Theres the Doomsday Wars comic where brainiac infects a human infant with DD dna, it gave DD a concious/feeling, so smallville probably incorporated that into there version of DD, so it makes sense so far. I think the reason why clark didn't go after chloe right away was because, I think clark knows this is the being/creature that Jor-El spoke of when he asked about the Kryptonian symbol for 'Doom'. I think Clark sorta got an idea after his punched was blocked like nothing by DD and merely thrown with one hand like nothing up into the loft. Lets say clark has gotten stronger since his fight with Titan, lets say Clark isn't at full power levels yet till he finishes his training with Jor-El, ect. So maybe clark knows that DD is strong, maybe this is the fear or the "island" that Ollie was referring to that pushes clark to team up with the JLA, or against Tess' team. Maybe clark won't be able to beat DD without the help of one of the other JLA members...but to me clark looked almost surprised/worried when he got hit from DD, this could be the one that pushes him to the next level.

[Praxis]

I thought that was stupid, I'm not gonna lie. I don't like that he came to the wedding just for Chloe. Doomsday is not supposed to be a love sick puppy. It's laughable.

Other than that, I loved Sam's performance and I thought Doomsday looked awesome.


What if Doomsday went to the wedding for Chloe...to deliver her to Brainiac, not for love?

[Kal-ed]

The season, isnt over, if by the final brawl between Supes and Dooms. the latter has human concience then Ill agree with you but so far, it seems logical some Davis Bloom is still in there.

[mistaguitarmasta]

My only beef was the speech. As a comics fan, I don't really love the idea of Doomsday talking, but I'll live.

[Cogito17]

Did I miss something? When did Doomsday speak? I heard grunting, and Davis said "Run" when he started to transform, but when did he speak? And what did he say?

[xrayvision]

Don't you think they've done something similar to Clark's character in Smallville. This Clark for the majority of the show had no balls and has begun to grow a pair. This is no the Clark from the mythos (yeah I know he's younger here but still come on) sometimes I wonder if he will become superman of superpathetic seriously.

But Clark is supposed to be humanized up to a point. He's supposed to care for his fellow humans and want to protect them. I think Al/Miles screwed up because instead they took him from someone who you could see doing that (in seasons 1-3) and turned him into a wuss who had the sympathy for humans but really didn't do anything about it in seasons 4-7. They turned him into a person who makes too many mistakes, and very stupid ones. These mistakes came from not acting, being lazy, not caring (or caring when it was too late to do anything about it), or acting out of impulse without thinking about the consequences when he knew he was an alien and how powerful he & threats against him were.

But I like the way PS3 fixed this. I just wish they didn't humanize Doomsday. If they're going to take a character who is purely meant to be a monster & nothing else, they should leave that as-is. I wasn't & am still not crazy about the Davis/Doomsday duality, but I actually could stand it since they did a decent job with him. But humanizing the Doomsday side of Davis is just pointless. If he's supposed to be both man & monster and the man side is supposed to have good intentions but the monster side is supposed to be just that, then it doesn't make sense. Doomsday is just not supposed to have a soft side for Chloe or any human.

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unlike the comics where he's just an unstoppable killing machine and has been considered one of the lamest villians due to him not having any background to relate to.

This statement is very wrong. There is a backstory of Doomsday & how he came to be and his journey prior to fighting Superman in the comics.

EDIT: The comics also explain why Doomsday kills, something that Smallville never did with their version. Doomsday in the comics kills because of all the death he was put through. When the final version (clone) of Doomsday was made & killed, he resurrected himself without having to be cloned again. Then he killed his creator, Bertron. He viewed Bertron & later on viewed any Kryptonian as a threat to causing him to die again. His DNA absorbed the pain of all his deaths and made him despise any form of life. Therefore to make sure he doesn't die, he kills everything living thing in his path. In Smallville, all we know so far is that Davis started transforming ever since he was young and started killing people & living things. Why he did that is still unexplained. We don't know if it's for the same reasons as given in the comics.

The only reason Doomsday became lame in the comics was because they humanized him.

Doomsday is supposed to be a monster because he is a breed of prehistoric creature that lived on Krypton before the human-looking Kryptonians.

Humanizing Doomsday is just like humanizing a dinosaur. Makes no sense. My main problem is not even Davis. It's that his non-humanoid side is also being humanized.

[Vindellavon]

I actually enjoyed it and hope it follows through. Comic!Doomy was a straight up prick and had nothing on his mind but destruction. At least this monster has feelings, and who wouldn't love a monster with a broken heart?

[Krypton935]

I don't mind it at all! And for the people who really don't like it Let's step into the time machine!
Remember back to when we had Bizzaro and everyone thought he was a rip-off in the sixth season finale. Now think about how COMPLETELY AWESOME he turned out to be...
So yeah obviously I thought he was great. I do not think that he should be a grunting zombie and I think this will turn out great. I'm just keeping in mind that Davis is STILL developing as character.

[eas]

I don't like that the catalyst of him becoming doomsday was his love for Chloe. Too many (bad) flashbacks to how Lex's descent to evil was because of Lana. And, then, of course we had Bizarro and his Lana-love. Tess kind of became evil because of Ollie.

Brainiac is kind of awesome because he's just evil for the fun of it. We need more those kinds of villians.

[luthorian]

It's cool. I mean if Doomsday would have just walked in, killed everyone and gone home where's the fun in that?

They first introduced us to Davis, devoloped "a whatever" between him and Chloe and now we have the half monster/half man battle going on. A lot of things that make Doomsday a lot more interesting, besides the fact that he can throw Clark somewhere far far away...

I guess my point is that I need more than a cool costume to be interested in a character.

[Jeta]

The first time Doomsday appears in the DC Comics (1992), "it" doesn't speak and just destroy everything "it" sees, but in other series related (later 1993 and 1994), Doomsday speaks a perfect english and "he" feels like a baby. In my opinion, it was a mistake, but I mean it's not the first time Doomsday speaks or feels.

[amberdawn]

What if Doomsday went to the wedding for Chloe...to deliver her to Brainiac, not for love?

If they make it clear that that was the main reason, then I'll be fine with it.

[xrayvision]

I don't mind it at all! And for the people who really don't like it Let's step into the time machine!
Remember back to when we had Bizzaro and everyone thought he was a rip-off in the sixth season finale. Now think about how COMPLETELY AWESOME he turned out to be...
So yeah obviously I thought he was great. I do not think that he should be a grunting zombie and I think this will turn out great. I'm just keeping in mind that Davis is STILL developing as character.

Actually in the end Bizarro was disappointing after seeing what they did with him in Persona.

Like I said, I don't care if they have Davis be attracted to Chloe or some other girl. But not Doomsday. Too many villians on this show have been ruined because they were turned into pathetic, lovesick, obsessive wusses (Bizarro, Lex, Zod to a point, Zor-El, Jason, Adam, etc). The one who never has, Brainiac, is still the best villian of the show.

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I don't like that the catalyst of him becoming doomsday was his love for Chloe. Too many (bad) flashbacks to how Lex's descent to evil was because of Lana. And, then, of course we had Bizarro and his Lana-love. Tess kind of became evil because of Ollie.

Brainiac is kind of awesome because he's just evil for the fun of it. We need more those kinds of villians.

I just read your post after posting the same thing in different words.

[Doomsday666]

When he talked to me he sounded like the aliens in Independence Day.

[Black Panda]

I'm pretty happy with the approach Smallville's taken to DD's intelligence. It wasn't like he was quoting Shakespeare or speaking articulately, all I heard from him was a growl sounding like "Chloe".
They've made Doomsday very ID, and they've made Davis very much someone who doesn't take responsibility for himself. So it makes sense that the ID would come to overwhelm the SuperEgo in a symbolic narrative way.


I didn't mind it. He's gradually becoming Doomsday so maybe as time goes on he will become less and less human.
Yeah, I think he will.

As for fidelity to the comics, there is a reason the comic rewrote him. It's fine to have a short term mindless bad guy if the story focus is all on people's reactions to the death of the good guy, and an exploration of who the good guy is. However, one dimensional villians are dull as dishwater. So, I like the idea they made him worth watching during the lead up. I expect he'll be mindless wrath eventually.

[migo]

Did I miss something? When did Doomsday speak? I heard grunting, and Davis said "Run" when he started to transform, but when did he speak? And what did he say?

He said "Chloe" in the barn.

[Karafan1]

I thought it was pretty cool. I wonder if he'll say "Kal-El" during his next fight with Clark..

[superhippie2000]

Doomsday is being controlled by Brainiac, otherwise why would he bring her to the Fortress for reprogramming.
ya i want to know how doomsday knew about the fortress. maybe during between last weeks and this weeks episode doomsday has been there and was called with a certian tone like clark hears when the doomsday symbol appeared on the floor.





as for why doomsday was able to talk i think it wasnt doomsday but it was davis who talked. he is still evolving so im sure doomsday still has a part of davis in him. the more he evolves the less human he will be and pretty soon davis will be completely gone in body and mind.

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I thought that was stupid, I'm not gonna lie. I don't like that he came to the wedding just for Chloe. Doomsday is not supposed to be a love sick puppy. It's laughable.

Other than that, I loved Sam's performance and I thought Doomsday looked awesome.
i think its the davis part thats love sick not so much doomsday. i think doomsday has the king kong complex and has a thing for blondes. seeing how doomsday gets stronger and stuff through every pain and death and experience im sure he will loose his heart when he realizes he cant have chloe.

i am wondering whats with him tho and the fortress and the chloe thing. i figured since brainiac had the fortress he wouldnt need chloe anymore. unless he is going to use chloes body as a puppet in order to to gain access to clark and the justice league.

[Bizarrolover]

The fact that he's able to speak and feel gives a new and unexpected vulnerability to the character, therefore, a new way to destroy it. I hope Clark can use that against him in the confrontation.

[bizzaro93]

The one thing I wasn't crazy for in this episode was how Doomsday actually spoke. The actual Doomsday in the comics does not speak. He is a mindless creature who only knows how to kill.

In this episode we saw Doomsday speak Chloe's name and take her with him to the Fortress of Doom (my name for Doomsday's FOS). When they first mentioned Doomsday in Smallville as having a humanoid side (Davis), I thought Davis would be the only part of Doomsday who could talk & feel. I didn't think Doomsday would be able to do those things.

The Doomsday in the comics would never carry a human back to his lair. Heck there was a scene in a comic where a bird landed in his hand and he ripped it to shreds.


At least if they were going to make a Davis Bloom side to Doomsday, they should have kept the Doomsday side as a mindless monster.

You should really watch that ending again, honestly.
The only reason he brought her back to he FoS, was becuase Chloe is no more, Braniac has taken over! Jor-El said that Braniac was trying to contact Doomsday using Chloe, WELL, Braniac did contact him, that's why he brought her back to the FoS so together, they can take over the world. Personally I think, Braniac needs to kill Davis a couple of more times to make him more evil.


Oh and about the talking part, I don't like it either, he's supposed to be ruthless and a savage killing machine!

[xrayvision]

I don't remember Jor-El saying anything about Brainiac using Chloe to contact Doomsday, but I have to watch Abyss again.

Chloe looked like she was normal just before Doomsday took her. Either Brainiac was in her all along and was faking it, or something happened to her when she was brought back & laid down in the Fortress of Doom/Solitude.

[ClarkKent30]

The one thing I wasn't crazy for in this episode was how Doomsday actually spoke. The actual Doomsday in the comics does not speak. He is a mindless creature who only knows how to kill.

In this episode we saw Doomsday speak Chloe's name and take her with him to the Fortress of Doom (my name for Doomsday's FOS). When they first mentioned Doomsday in Smallville as having a humanoid side (Davis), I thought Davis would be the only part of Doomsday who could talk & feel. I didn't think Doomsday would be able to do those things.

The Doomsday in the comics would never carry a human back to his lair. Heck there was a scene in a comic where a bird landed in his hand and he ripped it to shreds.

At least if they were going to make a Davis Bloom side to Doomsday, they should have kept the Doomsday side as a mindless monster.



Not entirely correct. Doomsday starts out as a mindless raging beast, but after his numerous appearances after Death of Superman- including Predator/Prey, Brainiac&Doomsday/vs Superman, Doomsday/Joker , Doomsday in the Imperiex Wars, Doomsday on Apokolips etc. Doomsday can think and feel. He can also speak. Its not as if he is going to order a number 5 Wine from a fine Restaurant- but he can speak. Doomsday is an evolutionary creature, his survival depends on his ability to adapt. If his body sees fit that speaking is something he needs to do to survive, he has the ability.

[Krypto~Luan]

I didn't mind it. He's gradually becoming Doomsday so maybe as time goes on he will become less and less human.

Exactly what i was going to say. Its a process.

[last man of krypton]

Its not as if he is going to order a number 5 Wine from a fine Restaurant- but he can speak.

Waiter: What can I can get you to drink?
Doomsday: MMMTRRRPLSSS....
Waiter: I'm so sorry sir, we're out of that. May I recommend the House Chardonnay?
Doomsday: MMTRPLLSSS!!!!
Waiter: Ah, excellent choice, sir.

[xrayvision]

Not entirely correct. Doomsday starts out as a mindless raging beast, but after his numerous appearances after Death of Superman- including Predator/Prey, Brainiac&Doomsday/vs Superman, Doomsday/Joker , Doomsday in the Imperiex Wars, Doomsday on Apokolips etc. Doomsday can think and feel. He can also speak. Its not as if he is going to order a number 5 Wine from a fine Restaurant- but he can speak. Doomsday is an evolutionary creature, his survival depends on his ability to adapt. If his body sees fit that speaking is something he needs to do to survive, he has the ability.

Yeah, I'm aware of that. But the reason I didn't want it in this show was because once Doomsday was able to speak in the comics, he became a watered down, wussy version of what he once was. I never liked Doomsday since they did that to him in the comics. I didn't like it when Doomsday started to protect Superman. I think at least if they're going to have the Davis side of him around, they should depict the Doomsday side as a monster & nothing else. That way Davis is the side with reason while Doomsday is the side that can't be reasoned with.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I don't mind him being able to speak a bit at all.

But I'm hoping that it's later explained that the reason DD took Chloe is so that Brainiac would have a vessel. Either that, or the human emotions in him slowly go away.

Because I would hate a love sick DD. (Plus, I don't think Geoff Johns would be so excited about SV!DD if that's what he is.)

[Nerial]

I know he speaks a little in the Bruce Trimm cartoon for the Justice League. Superman asks him why he's destroying everything and he replies with something like, "It's what I do--I don't care why." It was pretty-clear. It didn't change my opinion on his destructive capabilities. He's still a destroyer.

[BULLITT]

No talkie, or back into the cage you go.

[amberdawn]

Waiter: What can I can get you to drink?
Doomsday: MMMTRRRPLSSS....
Waiter: I'm so sorry sir, we're out of that. May I recommend the House Chardonnay?
Doomsday: MMTRPLLSSS!!!!
Waiter: Ah, excellent choice, sir.

:lol:

[Doomsday666]

Still every time I watch it, it reminds of how the aliens speak in Independence Day

[Demien]

I don't mind it.

[ElVibo]

If they made doomsday mindless with no Davis that would kill the point of Clark becoming superman. I actually enjoy more a character progression then a 'here's the final version of x', if there wasn't any progression then there is no depth to the drama of it all.

[SUPERMANUSA]

You should really watch that ending again, honestly.
The only reason he brought her back to he FoS, was becuase Chloe is no more, Braniac has taken over! Jor-El said that Braniac was trying to contact Doomsday using Chloe, WELL, Braniac did contact him, that's why he brought her back to the FoS so together, they can take over the world. Personally I think, Braniac needs to kill Davis a couple of more times to make him more evil.

Oh and about the talking part, I don't like it either, he's supposed to be ruthless and a savage killing machine!My take is that Brainiac used Chloe to draw DD in. Brainiac knew of DD upbringing (or lack thereof) and knew that DD would fall hard for Chloe's kindness and willingness to help him. We hear evidence of this when Davis is asking Chloe why she is so good to him, and telling her that it feels like they were destine to be together. Brainiac, knowing of DD knew that being in human (Davis) form, knew that he would become infatuated.

I think Brainiac was laying the ground work for Feora (or whatever) to ultimately take possession of Chloe's body. When Feora first arrived to Earth and took Lois's body, the first thing she mentioned that it "was not her first choice". We also hear Chloe later telling Davis that what they had together was not serious in nature, nor ever was - this she implied after Davis kissed her before she jumped on her moped. Davis has shown to be confused, naturally because he is part human and part monster. His emotions aren't wired correctly.

Now that DD has brought Chloe to the Brainiac Fortress, I think Brianiac has opened a pathway to the Phantom Zone and allowed Feora to return and take over Chloe's body. When DD laid Chloe down in the Brainiac Fortress, Feora took possession of her body. Now it will be Brainiac, Feora and DD trying to rule the world. They may also try to bring Zod back too. Brainiac is working on his behalf anyhow.

As far as him being able to talk. I don't mind much. It'd be kind of lame if they introduced a monster that did nothing but kill all the time. This way we have a tiny bit of emotion and a tiny bit of voice to help keep things lively. He'll die or be banished soon enough anyhow.

[Hopefulsuicide]

the only thing i didn't like is Doomsday being used for someone elses agenda like a muscle man

to me, doomsday should have no other agenda but to destroy, and would certainyl never OBEY anyone. does it work well in Smallville? no, which is why i hated the idea from the start

but i dont see much wrong with him being able to say a few creepy words...

[dunkman]

The one thing I wasn't crazy for in this episode was how Doomsday actually spoke. The actual Doomsday in the comics does not speak. He is a mindless creature who only knows how to kill.

In this episode we saw Doomsday speak Chloe's name and take her with him to the Fortress of Doom (my name for Doomsday's FOS). When they first mentioned Doomsday in Smallville as having a humanoid side (Davis), I thought Davis would be the only part of Doomsday who could talk & feel. I didn't think Doomsday would be able to do those things.

The Doomsday in the comics would never carry a human back to his lair. Heck there was a scene in a comic where a bird landed in his hand and he ripped it to shreds.

At least if they were going to make a Davis Bloom side to Doomsday, they should have kept the Doomsday side as a mindless monster.

How about "Hall of Doom" from "Challenge of the SuperFriends"?

[HeartChakraBabe]

I like characters to have depth, so I like seeing Davis have feelings. But does he in Doomsday form?

[Bane]

I think that until he's done evolving Davis may occasionally shine through into Doomsday, but it won't last for long (I hope).

[alejandrita439]

i dont know how i feel about doomsday being able to feel :confused:



Waiter: What can I can get you to drink?
Doomsday: MMMTRRRPLSSS....
Waiter: I'm so sorry sir, we're out of that. May I recommend the House Chardonnay?
Doomsday: MMTRPLLSSS!!!!
Waiter: Ah, excellent choice, sir.

:lol:

[LilMo]

I don't know if anybody has said this but,
This is SMALLVILLE - Most of the comic characters have been changed to fit in with Clark's early life, we didn't see Bizzaro talking weird and his face didn't crack up much. But soon it did.
Just wait, i haven't seen Leigon(UK, gonna DL it soon) but in a trailer for it we see Doomsday again, don't know if its from Leigon(tell me if i'm wrong). And we'll see him again, and he will become the proper Doomsday. You have to wait for these characters to develop into their comic-selfs.
It took a while for Lex to become evil, then he was good, then evil again, so it takes time.

You did notice that Davis became Doomsday when he was in a sort of bad situation, thats the Doomsday we wanna see. Sure he wanted to get Chloiac, but the other dude sped the transformation. There is a part of Davis in Doomsday, thats why he went at the Wedding, even if Brainiac was sorta controlling him, he wouldn't really care when it was, as long as it was soon. Davis wanted to be there, he wasn't in time, but he was there to f up Jimmy.

I personally like SV's Doomsday, lets hope we see him more than Davis though. (No offence to Sam, we just prefer the evil version of you):lol: