Did Your Heart Break For Lois??

[LCforever]

Were you as heartbroken as I am?!?!!?! :(:(:(

[SteveS]

No, I am not heartbroken, but I did feel a little sorry for the poor creature a couple of times. Maybe if she treated Clarkman and other human beings the way she would like to be treated....

[susangail]

Yes. Not so much because the kiss got interrupted, but because Clark went weird. I thought he was going to resist it there when clana first met up again, but the hospital scene just burned me. Lana actually had to shoo him out.

[6-Super-Man -5]

Yes, into two.

[individuall]

Yes. My heart broke for Lois...But she's a fighter and strong and I could tell in the last scene that she was already starting to build up her walls..And honestly when she does return those walls better so high Superman has trouble jumping over them ;)

[kookykrumbs]

When Lana showed up Lois was totally forgotten. Clark better prove he deserves Lois when she gets back.

[NaYa]

Naah! It actually made me smile :D

[6-Super-Man -5]

When Lana showed up Lois was totally forgotten. Clark better prove he deserves Lois when she gets back.

Very much agreed!

[borednow]

It was pretty sad... but I know it works out!

[dru-zod2501]

nope. What's the point of getting sad over a ship that's prophesied to come true?

[CK2k6]

My heart broke too :(

But it's just a matter of time anyway, and I think Clark's feelings about Lois are still fuzzy. This relation is like wine, she'll get better as time goes.

[CloisAroundTheGlobe]

I was very angry that the writers could write Clark to just, forget about Lois after the 'almost kiss'. They should have redeemed him in the hospital, done something iunno romantic or something; as Lois was walking away, maybe stop her? iunno i'm just angry at how it played out lol

[svtwamedfan05]

OMG YES! I was tearing up bad!

[kanetaker5566]

I was smiling from when clark took her hand until someone yelled look who it is then I knew it was time for lois to leave.

[kentfamily]

Nah. This Clark and Lois chemistry does not work. I find it a little nauseating. I rather see Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher.

[mysticalweather]

I was sad for her.

But I thrive on UST, so despite the "OMG! Noooooo!" reaction, deep down I know it will pay off eventually, and I like the emotional Clois roller coaster.

Plus, I think it will be better in the long run for Clark to deal with Lana before starting anything with Lois. Less complicated that way.

[pizzahead2490]

i felt soo sad, at one point i was hating lana, but thinking about it lana ain to do nothing. its all clarks fault. he is such a big dope!!!!! why he has to act all weird and leave lois all heart broken.

boys are sooo dumb!!! *sobs*

[Becc]

Its weird this is the only version of the Lois and Clark characters that I don't really care for them together as a couple- and I don't know why I just can't get excited about them together. Besides if this episode proves anything it's that Clark is still in love with Lana and Lois really only had a chance at this point in time because Lana wasn't around- too bad Chloe is not still in love with Clark maybe the Chlark ship would have gotten off the ground. Either way I think it's going to be a long time before Clark is truly over Lana.

[Clana4Life]

Yeah, he pretty much forgot her the moment Lana walked in. To me that says a lot. I dunno, maybe Lois should take a second look at Oliver again. He was all sweet and listening to her at the wedding. Clark on other hand was in "Lana-mode": running to save Lana first - staying at the hospital with Lana until she said "go", asking Lana if it was so easy for her to leave him. It doesn't really seem like he's moved on. It just makes it feel like Lois is second choice only because Lana doesn't want to try again. But the ball seems to be in Lana's court. For that reason, I do feel sorry for Lois. It doesn't feel good to know that you can only be noticed by the guy you secretly love only when his ex is not around. :(

[Becc]

Nah. This Clark and Lois chemistry does not work. I find it a little nauseating. I rather see Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher.

Just wanted to add that I loved loved loved their portrayal of Lois and Clark together- I think it was my very first ship. Ahh the memories.

[Clana4Life]

Its weird this is the only version of the Lois and Clark characters that I don't really care for them together as a couple- and I don't know why I just can't get excited about them together. Besides if this episode proves anything it's that Clark is still in love with Lana and Lois really only had a chance at this point in time because Lana wasn't around- too bad Chloe is not still in love with Clark maybe the Chlark ship would have gotten off the ground. Either way I think it's going to be a long time before Clark is truly over Lana.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[Becc]

Yeah, he pretty much forgot her the moment Lana walked in. To me that says a lot. I dunno, maybe Lois should take a second look at Oliver again. He was all sweet and listening to her at the wedding. Clark on other hand was in "Lana-mode": running to save Lana first - staying at the hospital with Lana until she said "go", asking Lana if it was so easy for her to leave him. It doesn't really seem like he's moved on. It just makes it feel like Lois is second choice only because Lana doesn't want to try again. But the ball seems to be in Lana's court. For that reason, I do feel sorry for Lois. It doesn't feel good to know that you can only be noticed by the guy you secretly love only when his ex is not around. :(

And unfortunately that is how they've always portrayed the Clana relationship which is why I dont find this version of Lois and Clark realistic at all beyond a physical attraction which doesn't say a lot because there was that same attraction between Clark and Chloe as well. Also if Lois and Clark do get together in the Smallville series it will seem to me like it only ever happened because Lana left and wasn't around for Clark anymore.

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You took the words right out of my mouth.

Thanks :D

[LCforever]

I love all versions of Lois & Clark. (Well maybe not so much the movie versions) but I think that ED & Tom do a good job.

They had to come full circle from hating each other to falling in love (almost!).

I am a Cloiser through and through!

The Clois scenes were so touching today!!

[Melekith]

Yeah, he pretty much forgot her the moment Lana walked in. To me that says a lot. I dunno, maybe Lois should take a second look at Oliver again. He was all sweet and listening to her at the wedding. Clark on other hand was in "Lana-mode": running to save Lana first - staying at the hospital with Lana until she said "go", asking Lana if it was so easy for her to leave him. It doesn't really seem like he's moved on. It just makes it feel like Lois is second choice only because Lana doesn't want to try again. But the ball seems to be in Lana's court. For that reason, I do feel sorry for Lois. It doesn't feel good to know that you can only be noticed by the guy you secretly love only when his ex is not around.On the contrary...Clark would have kissed Lois had Lana not walked in. Put yourself in his shoes...and tell me that it's not weird for your ex to just show up like that. I refuse to believe that "Clark gave up on Lois" or "Clark went for Lana first" because it's not his fault that Lana walked in at that exact moment. Nor is it his fault that Lana was in the Barn when Doomsday walked in while Lois was inside the house. If anything, when Lois turned away from Clark at the end of the episode it proved that something is there. Might wanna change your name to Clois4Life :p

[Jade4813]

It was sad, but there is comfort in knowing that it all works out in the end.

[davidbrenton]

I just posted this realization in another thread. But I'm anxious to hear comments about it. Here it goes:

HOLY CRAP!!!!

That whole scene with LOIS & CLARK AT THE END...Lois said: Why did this have to happen to her? Why do these terrible things have to keep happening all around us?

Clark: I promise. We're going to get Chloe back.

Lois: What if we can;t?


SHE WASN"T TALKING ABOUT CHLOE. SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THEM!!!! THEIR LOVE CONNECTION!!! What if they can't ever get the chance they had that night back!!!

[Becc]

On the contrary...Clark would have kissed Lois had Lana not walked in. Put yourself in his shoes...and tell me that it's not weird for your ex to just show up like that. I refuse to believe that "Clark gave up on Lois" or "Clark went for Lana first" because it's not his fault that Lana walked in at that exact moment. Nor is it his fault that Lana was in the Barn when Doomsday walked in while Lois was inside the house. If anything, when Lois turned away from Clark at the end of the episode it proved that something is there. Might wanna change your name to Clois4Life :p

I have to disagree it seemed as though Lana appeared and everything else became an afterthought. People break up all the time, and Clark's reaction to Lana (in all of the scenes) is not typical for someone unless they are still in love with their ex.

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I just posted this realization in another thread. But I'm anxious to hear comments about it. Here it goes:

HOLY CRAP!!!!

That whole scene with LOIS & CLARK AT THE END...Lois said: Why did this have to happen to her? Why do these terrible things have to keep happening all around us?

Clark: I promise. We're going to get Chloe back.

Lois: What if we can;t?


SHE WASN"T TALKING ABOUT CHLOE. SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THEM!!!! THEIR LOVE CONNECTION!!! What if they can't ever get the chance they had that night back!!!


Umm I think Lois was talking about Chloe who she loves like a sister, She would be out of her mind with worry- I highly doubt under those circumstances Lois was seriously contemplating a possible romance with Clark

[Clana4Life]

On the contrary...Clark would have kissed Lois had Lana not walked in. Put yourself in his shoes...and tell me that it's not weird for your ex to just show up like that. I refuse to believe that "Clark gave up on Lois" or "Clark went for Lana first" because it's not his fault that Lana walked in at that exact moment. Nor is it his fault that Lana was in the Barn when Doomsday walked in while Lois was inside the house. If anything, when Lois turned away from Clark at the end of the episode it proved that something is there. Might wanna change your name to Clois4Life :p

Clois4Life? I probably will eventually, but probably not until Clana is completely over and KK is gone. I'll slowly move on like Clark, but right now it doesn't appear that Clark has totally moved on.
You are right, it would be weird to see my ex at a moment like that, but if I really liked the person I was about to kiss, I would have spoken to my ex and gone right back to the person I was about to kiss. It seems like Clark went looking for Lana to ask her 20 questions, most of which revolved around why she left him, if she thought it was right, if she was ever coming back, etc. If he felt as deeply for Lois as it is purported, he would have gone back to her and talked with her about the kiss and finished what he started, but he didn't...

[davidbrenton]

I have to disagree it seemed as though Lana appeared and everything else became an afterthought. People break up all the time, and Clark's reaction to Lana (in all of the scenes) is not typical for someone unless they are still in love with their ex.

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Umm I think Lois was talking about Chloe who she loves like a sister, She would be out of her mind with worry- I highly doubt under those circumstances Lois was seriously contemplating a possible romance with Clark

Watch it again. The through line is pretty clear. The look in her eyes, and how she walks away making her point. It's the subtext of her literal meaning. She's most upset over Clark, and that's why she's leaving.

If she was truly upset about Chloe, dontcha think she'd help Clark find her.

[Jade4813]

Yeah, I think Lois was talking about Chloe there. Lois loves Chloe like a little sis; I'm sure she was, as Becc said, out of her mind with worry. At that point, I doubt she was thinking about her groove thang. ;)

I thought it was sweet. She knows she can't do anything to find Chloe right now, so she's going to watch over Chloe's husband for her cousin until Chloe gets back.

[Clana4Life]

I have to disagree it seemed as though Lana appeared and everything else became an afterthought. People break up all the time, and Clark's reaction to Lana (in all of the scenes) is not typical for someone unless they are still in love with their ex.

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Umm I think Lois was talking about Chloe who she loves like a sister, She would be out of her mind with worry- I highly doubt under those circumstances Lois was seriously contemplating a possible romance with Clark


I have to totally agree with BECC again on both posts. :) Like I said I would have spoken to my ex and said "good to see you," and then gone directly to the person I was about to kiss. If anything Clark should have let Lana search for him and try to explain, but he didn't.

And what kind of cousin would Lois be if all she could think about at a time like that was whether she and Clark would ever have their chance again. I think her total concern was on Chloe and finding her. If a wild, beast killer thing took my cousin, romance would be the last thing on my mind.

[LCforever]

NOT IF THAT MAN IS SUPERMAN! HAHAH JK!:p

[davidbrenton]

Yeah, I think Lois was talking about Chloe there. Lois loves Chloe like a little sis; I'm sure she was, as Becc said, out of her mind with worry. At that point, I doubt she was thinking about her groove thang. ;)

I thought it was sweet. She knows she can't do anything to find Chloe right now, so she's going to watch over Chloe's husband for her cousin until Chloe gets back.

What? She's leaving because Lana came back. She even hesitated in saying, "i'll wait till i hear from...Chloe." She really meant him.

People, please. Just rewatch the scene.

[Melekith]

It seems like Clark went looking for Lana to ask her 20 questions, most of which revolved around why she left him, if she thought it was right, if she was ever coming back, etc. If he felt as deeply for Lois as it is purported, he would have gone back to her and talked with her about the kiss and finished what he started, but he didn't...I'm not saying what Clark did was "right", but let's not forget that Clark WAS GOING TO KISS LOIS. Why? Because he is developing feelings for her. Clark doesn't feel that deep for Lois yet, just take a look at his reaction when Lois turns around while reading Jimmy's vows. He looked confused that Lois was smiling, and it started to make him question his own feelings. Lois and Clark are not required to be in love with one another at any point on Smallville, but that's why it is so exciting to watch right now...because it's developing.

[Loisdragon]

:( Yes and the song in the end made me cry:(

[Clana4Life]

I'm not saying what Clark did was "right", but let's not forget that Clark WAS GOING TO KISS LOIS. Why? Because he is developing feelings for her. Clark doesn't feel that deep for Lois yet, just take a look at his reaction when Lois turns around while reading Jimmy's vows. He looked confused that Lois was smiling, and it started to make him question his own feelings. Lois and Clark are not required to be in love with one another at any point on Smallville, but that's why it is so exciting to watch right now...because it's developing.

Melekith, I can't argue with you on that - well, I guess I could, but it would be pointless because I actually agree with you. :) I just wonder how TPTB will make it feel as though Clark chose to be with Lois because he wants to be with her as opposed to because he can't be with Lana, who seems to be his first choice. My screenname is Clana4Life, so many feel that I can't be objective, but I loved the Clois scenes up until Lana's return and I wasn't really interested in Lana coming back. But when I saw how much Clark still cared for her, it became apparent that TPTB will have a heck of a time convincing Clana and Clois fans that Lois is his first choice. I think what we saw tonight between Clana (and according to the spoilers) is just the tip of the iceberg for how much time and energy he will devote to her. I personally think the series was set up wrong if the end game was Clois, but hey, I like it anyway.

[Kalista]

Watch it again. The through line is pretty clear. The look in her eyes, and how she walks away making her point. It's the subtext of her literal meaning. She's most upset over Clark, and that's why she's leaving.

If she was truly upset about Chloe, dontcha think she'd help Clark find her.

I completely agree.

[ginnyfan]

I voted that it was pretty sad. Lois has totally fallen for Clark. Her walls are down and she's completely exposed. The fun part is that... I'm seeing new things from Clark. The moment when Lois is on the staircase and Clark is down below. Oh it was electric... both ways. When Lois tried to make her escape when the slow sexy music started to play and Clark just calmly grabbed her arm and started to dance. At the end of the episode when she was freaking out and he just pulled her into a hug. Oh and what Oliver told her about Clark. <3

[davidbrenton]

I'm watching that scene now for the 7th time. AWESOME>

[LCforever]

I'm so glad to have you guys. Thank you for sharing my love for Clois.

More importantly, thank you for your encouragement AND REMINDER that THEY WILL BE TOGETHER. It's not an if, it's a when!

[davidbrenton]

I'm so glad to have you guys. Thank you for sharing my love for Clois.

More importantly, thank you for your encouragement AND REMINDER that THEY WILL BE TOGETHER. It's not an if, it's a when!

This episode delivered so much L&C. More than I hoped for.

All I can say, is whew!

[hyped4lnc]

I was sad for her.

But I thrive on UST, so despite the "OMG! Noooooo!" reaction, deep down I know it will pay off eventually, and I like the emotional Clois roller coaster.

Plus, I think it will be better in the long run for Clark to deal with Lana before starting anything with Lois. Less complicated that way.
It will be a lot less complicated. This way Lois doesn't have to deal with the "what ifs," that comes with an unresolved relationship looming in the background.

[Jade4813]

What? She's leaving because Lana came back. She even hesitated in saying, "i'll wait till i hear from...Chloe." She really meant him.

People, please. Just rewatch the scene.

Lois doesn't run and hide when she's hurt. She's a fighter, not a runner. And I caught the pause, but she was also emotional right then. Trust me, there are times that I'm emotional that I have a hard time saying my dad's name. Not because I'm really thinking of someone else but because it hurts at that moment to say his name.

As far as the Clois/Clana issue goes...well, I think the whole point is that Clark hasn't been certain about his feelings thus far as pertains to Lois. This episode, he was just starting to clue in. So I wasn't terribly surprised to see that Lana threw him through a loop. That part was expected.

I'm waiting to see what happens next with that relationship to pass judgment on what they're doing in terms of Clana - and, accordingly, what they're planning in terms of Clois. As far as tonight goes, I'm not surprised that Clark didn't go back to Lois and lay one on her when Lana showed up. I would have thought it was odd if he had.

The entire reason I'm glad to see Lana back is because I think that Clark needs to figure out how he feels about her, address it, and (because I think he will), move on. There's confusion in his mind right now, because he's just starting to feel love for Lois (I'm not one who thinks he's at the point - yet - where he'd declare his love for her above all others. He's getting there, but he's not there). And he has loved Lana for years. I'm sure there's still some confusion there about how he feels about her return.

So I'll wait to see what happens before I pass judgment. I wasn't happy to see him racing to Lana's side when people were getting slaughtered and Chloe was getting kidnapped. If the threat had left, I'd have minded less, but while people are being made into gooey meaty paste, I thought perhaps Clark should have kept his eye on the ball there. But I'm going to wait to see what happens next.

I will say that ED did a phenomenal job tonight!

[michelleMedenilla]

No!!! I don't care about Clois!!! For me, Clois is so fake...

I'm glad Clark forgot about Lois the moment Lana arrived...

[LCforever]

^ You're right. You're right. Doesn't mean that it doesn't suck though. I hate old baggage!!

[hyped4lnc]

Lois doesn't run and hide when she's hurt. She's a fighter, not a runner. And I caught the pause, but she was also emotional right then. Trust me, there are times that I'm emotional that I have a hard time saying my dad's name. Not because I'm really thinking of someone else but because it hurts at that moment to say his name.

As far as the Clois/Clana issue goes...well, I think the whole point is that Clark hasn't been certain about his feelings thus far as pertains to Lois. This episode, he was just starting to clue in. So I wasn't terribly surprised to see that Lana threw him through a loop. That part was expected.

I'm waiting to see what happens next with that relationship to pass judgment on what they're doing in terms of Clana - and, accordingly, what they're planning in terms of Clois. As far as tonight goes, I'm not surprised that Clark didn't go back to Lois and lay one on her when Lana showed up. I would have thought it was odd if he had.

The entire reason I'm glad to see Lana back is because I think that Clark needs to figure out how he feels about her, address it, and (because I think he will), move on. There's confusion in his mind right now, because he's just starting to feel love for Lois (I'm not one who thinks he's at the point - yet - where he'd declare his love for her above all others. He's getting there, but he's not there). And he has loved Lana for years. I'm sure there's still some confusion there about how he feels about her return.

So I'll wait to see what happens before I pass judgment. I wasn't happy to see him racing to Lana's side when people were getting slaughtered and Chloe was getting kidnapped. If the threat had left, I'd have minded less, but while people are being made into gooey meaty paste, I thought perhaps Clark should have kept his eye on the ball there. But I'm going to wait to see what happens next.

I will say that ED did a phenomenal job tonight!Well said.:)

[amalie]

Erica was fantastic in this episode. The scene between her and Ollie and also the final Clois scene were very touching. She really put herelf out there for a big fall :( Even the little background moments, like her sharp exit after Lana arrives, had me a little sad

[Becc]

Watch it again. The through line is pretty clear. The look in her eyes, and how she walks away making her point. It's the subtext of her literal meaning. She's most upset over Clark, and that's why she's leaving.

If she was truly upset about Chloe, dontcha think she'd help Clark find her.

I think Lois thinks she is doing the best thing she can for Chloe and that's being there to support Jimmy. At this point in time Lois isn't even sure if Jimmy is going to live- so she wantes to make sure Jimmy isn't alone and that;s what Chloe would want. Perhaps I see Lois as a little more sensitive and thoughtful of others than you do?

[amberdawn]

Yes, my heart broke, literally in pieces, for her.

[MrZeppo]

I really liked all the Clois scenes in here. She actually seemed breathless when she was looking at him on the stairway. And that look of admiration when he gave Chloe the flower from their freshman homecoming was cute too.

I will admit that right before the kiss, you could read Lois so much better than Clark. That unsure look on her face was beautifully acted by Lois. I hate to say it, but Tom just didn't bring it as well in that scene, not like I'd hoped... Besides a couple glances at Lois' lips, his face was pretty unreadable. I felt more coming from him during the stairway scene, you know? Clark was moving to kiss her though.

Which is why I was really pissed at him in the hospital scene. When he hugged her, I was actually happy, but I didn't really feel like Clark was acknowledging what had just happened between them.

Overall though, I did love all the Clois tonight.

[Becc]

What? She's leaving because Lana came back. She even hesitated in saying, "i'll wait till i hear from...Chloe." She really meant him.

People, please. Just rewatch the scene.

O.K. perhaps it was said that way because she thinks Chloe may be dead.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

WARNING: Long Post. Feel free to skim, skip or just go get a coffee before you read. Don't say you weren't warned ;)

First up. Gosh but it would be nice if we managed not to turn this into a war. Every time a thread is opened about one character or another it's like a red flag to a damn bull. Haters feel it's just the best fun to come in and bash when people are feeling sad or confused or down-hearted or - god forbid - HAPPY. So far it's been pretty civil. It would be GREAT if it could stay that way :)

On to the episode. Now. I have to admit I just plain couldn't comment on Bride after the first viewing. It took me to get over the muddled emotions I felt and have coffee and clear my head and watch it again before I saw it clearly and I'm gonna say this in every single thread.

The cast KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK for me tonight. They were AMAZING. And I think we're INCREDIBLY LUCKY to have them.

I already commented on Allison in the Chloe thread so now I'll move onto Erica's performance cos this is a Lois thread. I haven't looked yet but I hope to hell there are Clark and Lana and Jimmy and Oliver threads too ;) I was a Lois fan before but the fact she made me laugh, worry, cringe for her heartache, catch my breath and then CRY at the end just made my heart break all the more that she won't be here for four goddamn episodes. :( I will really, REALLY miss her.

Judging by the dialogue and the way it was played in this episode I think Lois is really conflicted, particularly with Lana's return. And frankly more than a little scared of what she feels. And here's where I'm probably gonna get my ass kicked by fellow Cloisers... Looking back on the season so far as a whole I think when she said 'yes' in Committed at that stage it wasn't entirely 100% romantic love. Now bear with me. At the start of their relationship Lois and Clark were hardly friends. They both rubbed each other the wrong way. It took a lot for them to even admit that might be changing when they had that scene in Lucy and Lois said 'so we're friends now?'. So for her to admit she loved him the way she did in Committed was HUGE. It showed she felt deeply for him. But I don't think even she knew herself how deeply. I think THAT we have seen build over the following weeks. She had no control over her jealous outburst when she found Clark in the elevator with Maxima - it was hilarious to watch but it did kinda come out of left field. And the way she looked at him in the barn at the end of Instinct says that she's still trying to figure out what is different about him - why he's suddenly different to her and why her feelings have changed. The girl has been fighting a losing battle and as she says to Oliver in Bride 'it just snuck up on her'. But what happened in Bride was she realized just how deeply her feelings ran and she listened to the advice of Jimmy who knows them both and allowed herself to hope she mightn't be the only one feeling the way she was.

She was intensely aware of Clark when they stood staring at each other in the stairs scene and she would have to be blind not to have noticed him checking her out as openly as he was. That has NEVER happened before. And her voice and attitude towards him softened as a result. With the cuff-link she couldn't see him continuing to stare at her, but she was obviously very aware of him and when she put her foot in her mouth she reacted with almost comical horror straight away and looked up at him like a scared kid. This contrasts TOTALLY with the way she delivered the 'repetitive motion... leads to a climax..' line in Instinct. Because in Instinct she wasn't so sexually aware of him and didn't feel as much for him romantically as she now does. Then when he read Jimmy's vows aloud she thought she was hearing confirmation that he was as conflicted about his emotions as she was and then he went on to say the part about 'knew since the moment we met' - and even though her sensible head would have told her something wasn't right with the second line, because she'd listened to Jimmy and allowed herself to hope, she let how she felt show when she turned around. That was just DEVASTATING to watch. I cringed for her. And even though she managed to partially cover it before Clark looked up, you could see he had seen something. It was just AWFUL. On the first viewing I was ready to KILL the PS3 for allowing her to wear her heart on her sleeve like that and get NOTHING in return however...

Then came the dance scene in the barn. And this was beaaauuutttiifffulllllyyy played!!! I can't say enough about that short scene and the way it was lit, the music, the expressions on their faces, the way Tom and Erica acted it... I could FEEL the tension. Focus on Clark's face as Chloe went to dance with her husband, the way he was then out of focus while we focused on Lois, that moment when Lois realized he was standing there looking at her and the music changed and her immediate reaction was to RUN AWAY. The usual Lois cover up line came out. And the old Clark would have let it slide. But this is NEW CLARK and new Clark was having none of it. That reach out and take her hand - LOVED IT. The smile and the small jerk of his head that was a subtler version of the invitation into the elevator at the end of Committed??? BLISS. The way they couldn't look at each other directly but kept trying to sneak glances when the other wasn't watching as they danced??? I tell ya - I LOVED this scene. Then they were bumped by passers by (who didn't even say sorry I might add! RUDE GUESTS) and we had that moment of hesitation. Stay or go? Continue dancing or walk away? And the intensity of Clark's look and Lois' oh-so-tentative hand to his chest. The small step Clark took towards her and the lift of Lois' brows in question. Then we had the warmth in his eyes - I swear, any guy who can smile with his eyes like that gets me every damn time - he was answering the question she had silently asked him. So she took a chance and leaned in. And he leaned in. And they got so close...

Many of us knew this kiss would be interrupted. We expected it. But what I hadn't expected was how well the scene was done and how much was conveyed WITHOUT ANY DIALOGUE. It was a STUNNING piece of work all round. Tom and Erica OWNED that scene. And knowing what Lois was feeling it was truly heartbreaking to watch.

The Oliver and Lois scene I loved too. I think they made the right decision here. Not only did they clearly show Ollie and Lois are done as a romantic couple, they also showed how badly Lois needed to talk to someone. How anyone could watch that scene and doubt how Lois feels I REALLY don't know. She made sense of everything that had come before and knowing that Lois has that vulnerable streak where being needed is so important to her just broke my heart. LOVED that Ollie said she was needed and that she tried to brush it off as him being sweet and him then saying it was because he knew Clark... Bittersweet. Oh so bittersweet. :(

But it was the last scenes in the hospital that reduced me to a sniveling heap and made the next three months seem like YEARS right now. Lois saw Clark with Lana and assumed the worst. She's watched the whole Lana rollercoaster before after all so why would she doubt that the second Lana returned and she was vulnerable and Clark was comforting her that it wasn't starting all over again? She wouldn't. Remember Lois was the one who once referred to them as the 'perfect couple'. So now she's standing in the hallway and she's COMPLETELY ALONE. She's lost the cousin she loves, her cousins husband is in a critical condition and the man she loves is back with his ex. Erica played her heartbreak so very well that I felt it too. That hug goodbye - cos let's face it for now that's EXACTLY what it was - was just soul destroying. Clark promising her they would get Chloe back, Lois asking but what if we don't... and then the slow mo walk away??? I'M NOW A BASKET CASE. And then just to twist the knife we have that glance backwards, Clark's expression as she leaves and the disappearing off screen that we viewers know will last FOR THREE MONTHS. It was obvious Lois had her walls up. And you could see it when she walked behind Jimmy's stretcher - the way she held her head up. Her heart is breaking and the only way she's gonna get through it is with those walls up good and HIGH.

So when she comes back we're gonna have a whole new dynamic in my opinion. If Clark has figured out how he feels that man has one hell of a battle coming his way. Add any kind of fascination for the red & blue blur on Lois' behalf - which I think is a given - and he's gonna have to fight for her in a way we've NEVER seen a Clark Kent fight for a Lois Lane on screen. Ever. And THAT excites me as a Superman fan.

The question will be whether or not our Clark is determined enough, confident enough and is at a stage where he WILL fight for her. And right now, having watched the episode a second time I gotta say THAT'S what scares me most as a shipper on a ticking clock. Maybe if we hear confirmation of a season nine I'll feel better. Maybe if we get a lot of Lois references while she's gone it will ease my mind. But right this minute I think Clark still doesn't know how he feels 100% and lord knows as viewers we HAVEN'T BEEN SHOWN HOW HE FEELS. So yes, I'm scared. Not that the PS3 will create enough triangles and new love interests to make it look like Days Of Our freakin Lives but that quite simply we'll run out of time to do justice to what they've started. There's a crapload of potential there and if the relationship is now flipped on it's head it's gonna make for compelling viewing but with Clark's journey the main focus and Chloe and Doomsday and Jimmy and the Legion and Tess and Lex and Lana's storylines all to wrap up as well??? And only 12 episodes left in the season???!!!

I gotta hand it to the PS3 - they've taken on a GOLIATH task. I'm scared for them too.

Sorry. Long post I know. But this episode was just AMAZING and I wanted to say how I felt - especially when it made me feel such a strong reaction I had to watch it twice before I could THINK STRAIGHT. And that's what we're all here for, right - to say what we thought???

FOR THOSE OF YOU SKIMMING OR SKIPPING THIS POST: As you were. ;)

[davidbrenton]

[QUOTE=Jade4813;4183413]Lois doesn't run and hide when she's hurt. She's a fighter, not a runner. And I caught the pause, but she was also emotional right then. Trust me, there are times that I'm emotional that I have a hard time saying my dad's name. Not because I'm really thinking of someone else but because it hurts at that moment to say his name.

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I respectfully still disagree. She's not running. She's gracefully stepping back. Because she's not going to play a stupid triangle game. It's either her or it's not. And she's letting him know what it's like without her.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

I think Lois thinks she is doing the best thing she can for Chloe and that's being there to support Jimmy. At this point in time Lois isn't even sure if Jimmy is going to live- so she wantes to make sure Jimmy isn't alone and that;s what Chloe would want. Perhaps I see Lois as a little more sensitive and thoughtful of others than you do?

ITA with this Becc. Right now she's sticking with the one member of her family she has left and who NEEDS HER. She already said that line about being needed and frankly when she saw Clark with Lana there was only the one place she felt she was needed.

But I do think at that point her heart was in pieces. The cousin she loves is missing, her cousins husband is in a critical condition and the man she's in love with is comforting his ex. The girl is HURTING. And frankly right now I'm hurting for her. :(

I don't think even if Clark had asked her not to go or if she had to choose that she would stay. She has gone where she's needed most. But when she comes back she's gonna be way more protected emotionally than she was before.

[Becc]

ITA with this Becc. Right now she's sticking with the one member of her family she has left and who NEEDS HER. She already said that line about being needed and frankly when she saw Clark with Lana there was only the one place she felt she was needed.

But I do think at that point her heart was in pieces. The cousin she loves is missing, her cousins husband is in a critical condition and the man she's in love with is comforting his ex. The girl is HURTING. And frankly right now I'm hurting for her. :(

I don't think even if Clark had asked her not to go or if she had to choose that she would stay. She has gone where she's needed most. But when she comes back she's gonna be way more protected emotionally than she was before.

I don't disagree that Lois was shattered when Lana came back- I just don't agree that it is the primary reason for her leaving. Right now Lois has got way bigger problems and at the end I really don't think she was thinking of herself.

[Jade4813]

I don't disagree that Lois was shattered when Lana came back- I just don't agree that it is the primary reason for her leaving. Right now Lois has got way bigger problems and at the end I really don't think she was thinking of herself.

I tend to agree with this. Don't get me wrong, I get where you're coming from, davidbrenton. I do. I think it's something that people could easily read either way. This is just how I interpreted the scene when I watched it.

[Reeve_290]

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Fair enough cloisthelegendbegins

[cloisthelegendbegins]

I don't disagree that Lois was shattered when Lana came back- I just don't agree that it is the primary reason for her leaving. Right now Lois has got way bigger problems and at the end I really don't think she was thinking of herself.

Yup. Still agree. She prioritized and went where she was NEEDED most.

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I may get blasted for this but its the truth:

When Lana arrived at the wedding, appearing between Clark and Lois' lips almost touching, I pumped my fists and cheered like I was at a football match!

Good for you. But could we try and not word it in a way that might put peoples backs up? This was a heavy duty episode all round. And this thread is about whether or not people felt Lois' heartbreak.

[obsessedwithsv]

OMG!!! that was the best frickin episode ever! Lois was so cute, i was more than annoyed lana had to come back. I think lois had to go and i agree that she's got bigger problems to think about now, like what the heck as doomy done to chloe? In the end it will all work out though (for clois atleast, my hopes aren't too high for chimmy after that bombshell of an epi), just have to wait until then...

[lane06]

for me my heart broke for her at hospital scene, after lois saw Clark and Lana. It was painful to watch but she really moved me with that scene. I mean jsut seeing the guy that you like and thinking he is back with his first love, after the emoitonal roller coaster that day, then not knowiing where your cousin is and now Jimmy in bad shape. Not having anyone else. Trying to hold it in all at the same time in the hospital then Clark approaching her, I would be a wreck! and SHE nailed the part!!

ERICA Rocks!!

[cloisthelegendbegins]

I tend to agree with this. Don't get me wrong, I get where you're coming from, davidbrenton. I do. I think it's something that people could easily read either way. This is just how I interpreted the scene when I watched it.

Ditto. We might not always agree on everything hun but we always have points where we feel the same way. It's why I love you :p Though I'd love you more if you UPDATED YOUR DAMN FICS.

[rep4clark]

i have loved clois since season four, but i have to agree with non-clois supporters, that clark dropped the ball, this episode forced me to question myself as to why i like this show and why i follow it so closely. i felt let down that clark did not behave the way that he should have with lois, i guess this episode forced me to feeel what alot of other shippers with chloe and lana must if felt in the past seasons.

I am glad this episode made me remind myselft that the show is an analogy for all of us that at one point must go through our own trials in life, love, and tradegy in an effort to become the superman, or superwoman within us. and at times like myself it is eaasy to forget that and put aside what this show is really trying to teach us. you see we all have our own lexes, or doomsday villians to fight at one point in our lives, and we all have a chloe, or johnathan kent that will give us guidence at some point or another.

As i said from now on i remind myself on a daily basis that this is smallville, not dc comics, or christoper reeves smallville. If the show wants to end with lois and clark being just friends then i am ok with that because the show is called smallville, and lois loves, marries, and ends up with clark when it is called superman.

other then that all you guys are great and i am honored to be a part of youre smallville experience.

[zHeN_zHeN]

Lois deserved better.

My heart really broke for her. It broke into teeny-tiny, little pieces. Actually, now it's just a pile of dust.

Episode #15 better fix it. I will remain heart-less until Lois is back for good.

[decaf]

I have nothing but admiration for this season, that episode has just filled in all the gaps and what an amazing way.There has to be Lana closure and Clark just did not turn away from Lois he was confronted and shocked - there is no danger of any future with Lana and the way is clear for Lois to support and love him as Clark Kent and superman. Erica Durance and Tom Welling - No one else could of pulled it off. I can now worry with out fear for the next episode next year THANK YOU PS3 - CW you know you are a good thing don't rock the boat.

Also I hope that there is a season 9, but understand its down to the cast resigning again. Lets wish all the crew at Smallville the best and enjoy your Christmas break.:):):):):):):):)

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Hello from Perth Western Australia all clois fans :cool:

[malcrew]

My heart didn't break cause we all know that Lois & Clark will be Lois&Clark. As much as I REALLY like Smallville, I don't want there to be a season 9 if it means TW will miss out on the recasting of the Superman Reboot! That goes for ED too!

[Malicieux Toutou]

I was very angry that the writers could write Clark to just, forget about Lois after the 'almost kiss'. They should have redeemed him in the hospital, done something iunno romantic or something; as Lois was walking away, maybe stop her? iunno i'm just angry at how it played out lol

It doesn't seem like the best time to embark upon a new romance. He's shell-shocked about the sudden return of his, and his best friend has just been kidnapped by a serial killing monster.

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My heart didn't break cause we all know that Lois & Clark will be Lois&Clark. As much as I REALLY like Smallville, I don't want there to be a season 9 if it means TW will miss out on the recasting of the Superman Reboot! That goes for ED too!

Unless the movie was going to share a continuity with Smallville, there is no way that they would cast Tom and Erica. It would be confusing.

[cloisornothing]

It wasn't so sad. I'd say that there's a bit of hope at the end. He sees that Lois is very very sad. and if I'm not wrong he says :"Are you in love?" after he holds her. Clark IS ACTUALLY in love with Lois but he has to know where he is with Lana (despite Lana said that they weren't meant to be together). And I've just noticed something : when Lana says that she understand that Clark and Lois are meant to be, which reminds me what she said to Clark in 4x02 Gone.

But I'm expecting some allusions to Lois from episodes 11 to 14. Awaiting for Lois back!

[SnowBird]

First of all I'm a Clark fan so I probably look at things differently so I hope you understand where I'm coming from.

I thought that Erica did an amazing job with showing Lois' emotions. She was on a roller coaster ride the whole episode. I think she is an amazing actor. Tom also did a wonderful job and the two of them together was incredible.

When I saw the almost kiss, I too was disappointed that it was interrupted by Lana. There I have sympathy for Clark. He has loved Lana for years. He last saw her controlled by Brainiac. He must have been shocked beyond words when he saw her. I really don't believe that he ignored Lois on purpose. I just think that the surprise of seeing Lana made everything else in his mind fade away. I don't think he rushed to Lana's side since she was already in the loft looking at the bouquet when Clark came up to speak with her. They needed that talk to give Clark an explanation of what happened and why Lana left so abruptly from the hospital. She cleared the air and they both acknowledged that they were finished. I felt bad for Lois that it happened that way but it was better for Clark and Lana to make it so Clark can move on.

It isn't Clark's fault that Lana decided to make an appearance. It isn't Clark's fault that Doomsday attacked. It isn't Clark's fault that Lana ended up in the hospital. It isn't Clark's fault that Lois only heard part of Clark and Lana's conversation before he left the hospital room. Think about what Clark has lost. His friend, Chloe is missing. Her husband and Clark's friend is fighting for his life. Lois has decided to leave and go with Jimmy when he has just discovered they have feelings for each other. Now, he has to find Chloe and possibly face Doomsday which could kill him.

I am sad for both Lois and Clark. Neither one of them deserved the road block that first Lana and then Doomsday placed between them. I do believe that Lois is very much in love with Clark and he hasn't caught up yet but is on the edge of falling in love with Lois. It is going to happen but not as fast as we would like unfortunately.

[Jaderoyale]

WARNING: Long Post. Feel free to skim, skip or just go get a coffee before you read. Don't say you weren't warned ;)

First up. Gosh but it would be nice if we managed not to turn this into a war. Every time a thread is opened about one character or another it's like a red flag to a damn bull. Haters feel it's just the best fun to come in and bash when people are feeling sad or confused or down-hearted or - god forbid - HAPPY. So far it's been pretty civil. It would be GREAT if it could stay that way :)

On to the episode. Now. I have to admit I just plain couldn't comment on Bride after the first viewing. It took me to get over the muddled emotions I felt and have coffee and clear my head and watch it again before I saw it clearly and I'm gonna say this in every single thread.

The cast KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK for me tonight. They were AMAZING. And I think we're INCREDIBLY LUCKY to have them.

I already commented on Allison in the Chloe thread so now I'll move onto Erica's performance cos this is a Lois thread. I haven't looked yet but I hope to hell there are Clark and Lana and Jimmy and Oliver threads too ;) I was a Lois fan before but the fact she made me laugh, worry, cringe for her heartache, catch my breath and then CRY at the end just made my heart break all the more that she won't be here for four goddamn episodes. :( I will really, REALLY miss her.

Judging by the dialogue and the way it was played in this episode I think Lois is really conflicted, particularly with Lana's return. And frankly more than a little scared of what she feels. And here's where I'm probably gonna get my ass kicked by fellow Cloisers... Looking back on the season so far as a whole I think when she said 'yes' in Committed at that stage it wasn't entirely 100% romantic love. Now bear with me. At the start of their relationship Lois and Clark were hardly friends. They both rubbed each other the wrong way. It took a lot for them to even admit that might be changing when they had that scene in Lucy and Lois said 'so we're friends now?'. So for her to admit she loved him the way she did in Committed was HUGE. It showed she felt deeply for him. But I don't think even she knew herself how deeply. I think THAT we have seen build over the following weeks. She had no control over her jealous outburst when she found Clark in the elevator with Maxima - it was hilarious to watch but it did kinda come out of left field. And the way she looked at him in the barn at the end of Instinct says that she's still trying to figure out what is different about him - why he's suddenly different to her and why her feelings have changed. The girl has been fighting a losing battle and as she says to Oliver in Bride 'it just snuck up on her'. But what happened in Bride was she realized just how deeply her feelings ran and she listened to the advice of Jimmy who knows them both and allowed herself to hope she mightn't be the only one feeling the way she was.

She was intensely aware of Clark when they stood staring at each other in the stairs scene and she would have to be blind not to have noticed him checking her out as openly as he was. That has NEVER happened before. And her voice and attitude towards him softened as a result. With the cuff-link she couldn't see him continuing to stare at her, but she was obviously very aware of him and when she put her foot in her mouth she reacted with almost comical horror straight away and looked up at him like a scared kid. This contrasts TOTALLY with the way she delivered the 'repetitive motion... leads to a climax..' line in Instinct. Because in Instinct she wasn't so sexually aware of him and didn't feel as much for him romantically as she now does. Then when he read Jimmy's vows aloud she thought she was hearing confirmation that he was as conflicted about his emotions as she was and then he went on to say the part about 'knew since the moment we met' - and even though her sensible head would have told her something wasn't right with the second line, because she'd listened to Jimmy and allowed herself to hope, she let how she felt show when she turned around. That was just DEVASTATING to watch. I cringed for her. And even though she managed to partially cover it before Clark looked up, you could see he had seen something. It was just AWFUL. On the first viewing I was ready to KILL the PS3 for allowing her to wear her heart on her sleeve like that and get NOTHING in return however...

Then came the dance scene in the barn. And this was beaaauuutttiifffulllllyyy played!!! I can't say enough about that short scene and the way it was lit, the music, the expressions on their faces, the way Tom and Erica acted it... I could FEEL the tension. Focus on Clark's face as Chloe went to dance with her husband, the way he was then out of focus while we focused on Lois, that moment when Lois realized he was standing there looking at her and the music changed and her immediate reaction was to RUN AWAY. The usual Lois cover up line came out. And the old Clark would have let it slide. But this is NEW CLARK and new Clark was having none of it. That reach out and take her hand - LOVED IT. The smile and the small jerk of his head that was a subtler version of the invitation into the elevator at the end of Committed??? BLISS. The way they couldn't look at each other directly but kept trying to sneak glances when the other wasn't watching as they danced??? I tell ya - I LOVED this scene. Then they were bumped by passers by (who didn't even say sorry I might add! RUDE GUESTS) and we had that moment of hesitation. Stay or go? Continue dancing or walk away? And the intensity of Clark's look and Lois' oh-so-tentative hand to his chest. The small step Clark took towards her and the lift of Lois' brows in question. Then we had the warmth in his eyes - I swear, any guy who can smile with his eyes like that gets me every damn time - he was answering the question she had silently asked him. So she took a chance and leaned in. And he leaned in. And they got so close...

Many of us knew this kiss would be interrupted. We expected it. But what I hadn't expected was how well the scene was done and how much was conveyed WITHOUT ANY DIALOGUE. It was a STUNNING piece of work all round. Tom and Erica OWNED that scene. And knowing what Lois was feeling it was truly heartbreaking to watch.

The Oliver and Lois scene I loved too. I think they made the right decision here. Not only did they clearly show Ollie and Lois are done as a romantic couple, they also showed how badly Lois needed to talk to someone. How anyone could watch that scene and doubt how Lois feels I REALLY don't know. She made sense of everything that had come before and knowing that Lois has that vulnerable streak where being needed is so important to her just broke my heart. LOVED that Ollie said she was needed and that she tried to brush it off as him being sweet and him then saying it was because he knew Clark... Bittersweet. Oh so bittersweet. :(

But it was the last scenes in the hospital that reduced me to a sniveling heap and made the next three months seem like YEARS right now. Lois saw Clark with Lana and assumed the worst. She's watched the whole Lana rollercoaster before after all so why would she doubt that the second Lana returned and she was vulnerable and Clark was comforting her that it wasn't starting all over again? She wouldn't. Remember Lois was the one who once referred to them as the 'perfect couple'. So now she's standing in the hallway and she's COMPLETELY ALONE. She's lost the cousin she loves, her cousins husband is in a critical condition and the man she loves is back with his ex. Erica played her heartbreak so very well that I felt it too. That hug goodbye - cos let's face it for now that's EXACTLY what it was - was just soul destroying. Clark promising her they would get Chloe back, Lois asking but what if we don't... and then the slow mo walk away??? I'M NOW A BASKET CASE. And then just to twist the knife we have that glance backwards, Clark's expression as she leaves and the disappearing off screen that we viewers know will last FOR THREE MONTHS. It was obvious Lois had her walls up. And you could see it when she walked behind Jimmy's stretcher - the way she held her head up. Her heart is breaking and the only way she's gonna get through it is with those walls up good and HIGH.

So when she comes back we're gonna have a whole new dynamic in my opinion. If Clark has figured out how he feels that man has one hell of a battle coming his way. Add any kind of fascination for the red & blue blur on Lois' behalf - which I think is a given - and he's gonna have to fight for her in a way we've NEVER seen a Clark Kent fight for a Lois Lane on screen. Ever. And THAT excites me as a Superman fan.

The question will be whether or not our Clark is determined enough, confident enough and is at a stage where he WILL fight for her. And right now, having watched the episode a second time I gotta say THAT'S what scares me most as a shipper on a ticking clock. Maybe if we hear confirmation of a season nine I'll feel better. Maybe if we get a lot of Lois references while she's gone it will ease my mind. But right this minute I think Clark still doesn't know how he feels 100% and lord knows as viewers we HAVEN'T BEEN SHOWN HOW HE FEELS. So yes, I'm scared. Not that the PS3 will create enough triangles and new love interests to make it look like Days Of Our freakin Lives but that quite simply we'll run out of time to do justice to what they've started. There's a crapload of potential there and if the relationship is now flipped on it's head it's gonna make for compelling viewing but with Clark's journey the main focus and Chloe and Doomsday and Jimmy and the Legion and Tess and Lex and Lana's storylines all to wrap up as well??? And only 12 episodes left in the season???!!!

I gotta hand it to the PS3 - they've taken on a GOLIATH task. I'm scared for them too.

Sorry. Long post I know. But this episode was just AMAZING and I wanted to say how I felt - especially when it made me feel such a strong reaction I had to watch it twice before I could THINK STRAIGHT. And that's what we're all here for, right - to say what we thought???

FOR THOSE OF YOU SKIMMING OR SKIPPING THIS POST: As you were. ;)

On Annie. You've given me a new perspective about the episode now :)

[singingdove]

Yeah, my heart definitely broke for Lois. But at the same time, if they play her return and subsequent episodes correctly I'll enjoy the emotional rollercoaster. I don't mind some angst in my ship.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

On Annie. You've given me a new perspective about the episode now :)

I'm SO GLAD Jade!!! I did another equally long post in the loved it/hated it thread where I did my overall stuff and by no means was I completely happy but I thought the Clois was some of the most heart-wrenching stuff I've ever seen on a screen. And you know me, I'm always gonna delve deep into the romance ;)

Really can't say how much this episode got to me. The fact I had to emotionally detach to watch the second time says it all. And yet it STILL reduced me to tears at the end. I don't think I'll forget this one for a long, long time.

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Yeah, my heart definitely broke for Lois. But at the same time, if they play her return and subsequent episodes correctly I'll enjoy the emotional rollercoaster. I don't mind some angst in my ship.

ITA Paloma! And if we're feeling strong emotions about this episode then they've done a damn good job in my opinion. Bring on the rollercoaster I say! Just do it in a mature way. And I think they've already shown us they can do this with that dance scene. That wasn't two teenagers with crushes or stars in their eyes. It was too emotionally scarred people standing on the edge of a huge leap of faith. Lois just happens to be hanging further over the precipice at this point. :(

I think it's only with Bride that I could look back and understand it all better :o Can't say how much I'm PRAYING they get this right.

[Luthorism]

I'm still pissed that they couldn't kiss :(

[malcrew]

It doesn't seem like the best time to embark upon a new romance. He's shell-shocked about the sudden return of his, and his best friend has just been kidnapped by a serial killing monster.

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Unless the movie was going to share a continuity with Smallville, there is no way that they would cast Tom and Erica. It would be confusing.

I disagree with this. The WB would definitely not do a continuity with Smallville. It doesn't make sense. They would hire a new director and writers for an entirely new story. Remember this movie has to have mass appeal in order for it to succeed. Not every one in the general public watches Smallville. Your average joe probably only remembers the Christopher Reeve films and Superman Returns. As far as it being confusing that Tom and Erica would be in the Big Screen Version, I dont understand that. Smallville is a entirely different universe! I'm sure these actors could pull it off. Smallville viewers would have to realize that they are not watching a Smallville movie and are actually watching Superman and Lois Lane in all there glory!

[Showmaster]

Awh man...

Poor Lois:(

[RedKRules]

Welcome to the club Lois!

[cklookalike89]

I was so excited they were about to kiss and then Lana of course shows up right at that moment and ruins it all. I was sad for lois but i dont think clark was all over Lana likemmany people are saying. He knew Lois was fine and was worried about lana.

[Bizarrolover]

Poor Lois, she's so in love with him. And to see them together, it reminded me of her comment about being trapped in the Clark and Lana rollercoaster. I know exactly how she feels, it makes me sick. I hope those two resolve their issues and move on with their lives.

[monet]

It sure did. I love clana and I always wanted them to be together but now that they have decided to move on from that story line, I think Lana should just stay away.

[EricaIsGr8t]

All I gotta say is Erica is awesome and Clois is destiny, so bring on the heartache and angst but in the end we all know where they end up.

[smvlladdict]

I did'nt feel it!!! The whole episode was about Lois! What is her character now! Bring back the wise cracking kick ass reporter instead of this"oh Poor Me"

Geez

[iamcloisfan]

I also love this Lois and Clark portrayal...I wanted to kick Lana when she showed up when she did! Darn it! They almost kissed.
The way he acted, Clark doesn't deserve Lois! Lois should make it a little harder for Clark.
And I wonder why she is the first to fall??? Isn't it the other way around??!!

[Super Maverick]

that sucked!

[doomsdaytitan]

heck yeah i felt sad for her. I could have sworn Clark was going to walk up to her when she turned around in the hospital and kiss her. but nooooo that would be too nice of the writers.

[darkone]

Umm I havent forgotton about the Harley/bicycle and cherry/vanilla analogy. And I certainly didnt miss her cheap shot when talking about getting married. So suffer Lois SUFFER!

[Kalista]

No.

[DGirlLois4Clark]

Aww poor Lois. Bleeding Love.lol.
Im not worried though, as Erica said she'll win in the end.ehehehe:)

[DontCha]

I felt bad for lois but remember Lois

NANAR NANAR

YOU are the one clark will choose.

[jimmyolsenblues]

it is very frustrating that they used the gimick of lana showing up when she did.
would have loved them kiss first...see lana after.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Not really.

She may feel the way she does now, but hopefully it'll make her stronger and more guarded in the future.

[AChloeChick]

Sorry, but NO. Lois is neither here nor there for me. She's okay. But. I've been there, done that with the Clana heartbreak with my favorite blonde and I simply can't find any sympathy for Lois. Sorry, I just can't, espcially with all the times she told Chloe he's not worth it or you can do better.

[Billy Jor-El]

Sure I felt sad for Lois. She's put on this tough front of not needing anyone, and it seems whenever she opens up, she gets blasted. Finally wrestling the feelings she's got towards Clark, then the omnipotent Lana shows up and all bets are off, she thinks. It only makes her more callous. In the end it's Lois & Clark, but for now, sure, gotta feel bad for what she's going through...

[davidbrenton]

Sorry, but NO. Lois is neither here nor there for me. She's okay. But. I've been there, done that with the Clana heartbreak with my favorite blonde and I simply can't find any sympathy for Lois. Sorry, I just can't, espcially with all the times she told Chloe he's not worth it or you can do better.

She told her this because Lois knew Clark didn't feel that way about her. She was being a good friend. Lois & Clark is a different story.

[Carolina87]

Im not reading the comments because its obvious that we have some Clois haters in here but i will say that My heart broke for Lois :( *coughstupidclanacough*

[miks]

You keep saying that yet we know Clark felt that way after 7 years years he at least felt something. It's been 4 years with Clois and it's completely one sided.
I did not feel bad for Lois. I've seen it done before with, IMO, a much better actress and a much better friendship/relationship/chemistry.

[SupesComicFan]

I did feel badly for Lois, but there is a silver lining. Now Clark has to work for her, and he will.

[Guidron]

I totally felt for Lois when she almost had that kiss and Lana walks in. Then her practically breaking down in front of Oliver, and lastly at the hospital.

[DontCha]

You keep saying that yet we know Clark felt that way after 7 years years he at least felt something. It's been 4 years with Clois and it's completely one sided.
I did not feel bad for Lois. I've seen it done before with, IMO, a much better actress and a much better friendship/relationship/chemistry.


one sided? in EVERY clois scene in this episode you could see how he felt about her, but he's nowhere near where she feels about him. She is in love with him, he's still only figuring it out since Committed.


this time, lana will leave and clois will happen, Chlark never even left the ground...forgive my pun

[Smallvillerox24]

Man I was at work when it came on. So I had my parents record it for me, and I watched it as soon as I got home last night. I was UPSET! I knew Lana was going to show up and like ruin everything, but I didn't count the fact that Lois was going to put her heart on her sleeve and let her guard down. That was unexpected.

The part that really killed me was right after she helped him with the suit thing. (forgot what there called) and she started walking away and he began to read Jimmy's vows. She smiled so big and turned around thinking he was really saying that to her...and he wasnt...well I think he was maybe DEEP down. Although I think Clark realized why she was smiling when he looked up and realized "oh crap...I messed up." Or maybe something to that affect.

But yeah, and the almost kiss. I knew it wasnt going to happen. It's too soon for the both of them (unless they're on something like red Kryptonite lol). It was just a nice thought to think that they just might kiss. Oh well, I will be EXTREMELY happy if they just tell each other how they feel before the season is over. And I will be even happier if Lana overhears.

I am a little worried about Chloe tho. I mean she smiled of all things. And I liked how the writers threw in the line about Lois calling Chloe to she if they were ready for "D-Day". And then Chloe says "ready to storm the beach?" Then Doomsday (D-Day if you didnt catch that) storms in a wrecks everything. That did make me smile how they tied that in :).

But now I have to wait till JANUARY 15!!!! to see what's going to happen. Gives me plenty of time to make predictions. :D

[LoveHurts38]

Good thing I will have to see Lana in the future. Did feel sad for Lois but, when she comes back watch out Clark she is going to change with a cold heart against him and not pine.

[Iluvgreen]

I've seen that scene over and over, and it's still sad.

[Wildfire]

You would have to be a really cruel person not feel sad for Lois. Any human being would hurt for her in that situation. It was the same sadness with Chole and the Freshman prom, Lana and Vixen that had Clark under her spell. In the end if you a person you don't want to seen someone else get hurt like that.

[wolverine316]

I felt sad for Lois but not crying my eyes out like a pathetic little baby. We all know what will happen in the future. She has now put up her walls but our Clark will tear them down eventually.

[SteveS]

"Lois doesn't run and hide when she's hurt. She's a fighter, not a runner."

We see it differently but using the same words, as soon as Lana appeared in ClarkMan's vision and he dropped lois like a rock, she basically 'ran' outside the party and 'hit' the booze. Not much of a fighter, but a very weak loser that turns to a potentially another drunken moment in order to handle rejection by ClarkMan.

She still is not worthy.

[Kalista]

:lol:

[A Dawg]

It really wasn't all that bad, what suprised me was that they almost kissed! Stupid Lana showing up just made the wait that much longer. Hopefully Clark will be able to see that Lana is about as good of a person as Lex was in the first 2 seasons. Which is not a good thing. I mean we all know what is going to be their futures and the way they keep pointing out in Smallville is getting on the repetative side, imo. As I see it though, the Lois and Clark romance should kinda be there. And then Clark should do the whole hood disguise thing with the rest of the league. Once Superman shows up Lois will drop the Clark infatuation for some years because she will be into Superman. Not Clark. At least for a while. At this point she doesn't even know if the blue blured superhero even exists for real so for now Clark is a pretty good choice, but even Clark can't compete with himself when he isn't afraid to use his powers in public as a hooded hero. I just hope for once before smallville is over they will put in the joke of how Clark will be jelouse of the way she feels about Superman. Thats always good comedy!




Sorry about the big jumble of paragraphs, the text box was acting funny and wouldn't let me indent properly for some reason.

[greatodinsbeard]

I don't think Clark forgot about her, he is just too dumb to understand her. He actually acted like he did nothing wrong when he talked to Lois at the end, and I think he actually was sad sh was leaving. But right now I think the love is mostly one sided on lois's side because Clark has bigger things to worry about than his love life.

[mark08201981]

Sorry, but NO. Lois is neither here nor there for me. She's okay. But. I've been there, done that with the Clana heartbreak with my favorite blonde and I simply can't find any sympathy for Lois. Sorry, I just can't, espcially with all the times she told Chloe he's not worth it or you can do better.

And she had said that because A) she didn't know Clark nearly as well as she does now and B) she knew Clark didn't feel the same way and was trying to help Chloe move on. Chloe's known what kind of guy Clark is, Lois didn't. For the majority of Lois' friendship with Clark, Lois has seen Clark pining over Lana endlessly. Clark has finally moved on and she's just recently started to see the non-whiny, no Lana version of Clark. The Clark that's always there when you need him and the man that puts everyone else above himself. She didn't know that Clark when she told Chloe she could do better.

[obsessedwithsv]

clark, you really are a big, dumb alien. What were you thinking, about to kiss lois, getting all romancy and then ditching her for that lana? Grow a couple, man. Keep the faith my fellow Cloisers lol xx btw love ED season 8 xx

[mark08201981]

"Lois doesn't run and hide when she's hurt. She's a fighter, not a runner."

We see it differently but using the same words, as soon as Lana appeared in ClarkMan's vision and he dropped lois like a rock, she basically 'ran' outside the party and 'hit' the booze. Not much of a fighter, but a very weak loser that turns to a potentially another drunken moment in order to handle rejection by ClarkMan.

She still is not worthy.

Wow, you really are biased and have a very warped view of how things actually are. Clark saw the ex that dumped him by video and was stunned. As any guy or girl would be. Lois didn't know how to handle the situation, as she admitted to Ollie. Clark didn't reject her and Lois knows that. She just doesn't know what to do with the situation. I'm not sure how that could have been made any clearer.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Also, who doesn't drink at a wedding? Derr!!!

:lol:

[KryptonChick]

I voted for I don't really care about the Lois & Clark relationship.

Seriously, this is Smallville... they shouldnt even be having a relationship. I care more about Clark becoming Superman, i dont give a *** about Lois :lol:

[Mickey_Bickey]

I voted for I don't really care about the Lois & Clark relationship.

Seriously, this is Smallville... they shouldnt even be having a relationship. I care more about Clark becoming Superman, i dont give a *** abotut Lois :lol:

Clois Rage! I love it!! LOL!:rotfl:

[Joelito]

Yes, because I almost felt the kiss :(

[KryptonChick]

Clois Rage! I love it!! LOL!:rotfl:
:p tnx :rotfl:

[Fish1941]

i felt soo sad, at one point i was hating lana, but thinking about it lana ain to do nothing. its all clarks fault. he is such a big dope!!!!! why he has to act all weird and leave lois all heart broken.

boys are sooo dumb!!! *sobs*


I must admit that Lana is not to blame for what happened. This was Clark's fault. Lana made it clear that it was over between her and Clark. But for some reason, he seemed to find it difficult to accept this.

[Carito_2p]

My heart went out to Lois in this episode!!

It was fantastic! ED rocked! I really love the Clois scenes, you can feel the tension and their feelings trough the screen, just by watching their eyes! Damn they were soo expressive, one of my favorite episodes.

I think I want to hit Clark with a hammer but I understand that he was sucker punched with Lana's arrival, that has nothing to do with being in love with her still, he was just surprised!

And for Lois she has to try and figure it out her feeling and take decisions about how she's gonna handle everything from now on, hope she fights for Clark!

... Did someone notice the text message on Lana's phone??? I think it said something strange...

[One-Winged-Angel]

Poor lois, but she will get CK for her self soon enough:)

[Aloof]

I was definitely sad! :(

[Smallvillebabe08]

I was soo sad!

[Malicieux Toutou]

Once Superman shows up Lois will drop the Clark infatuation for some years because she will be into Superman. Not Clark. At least for a while. At this point she doesn't even know if the blue blured superhero even exists for real so for now Clark is a pretty good choice, but even Clark can't compete with himself when he isn't afraid to use his powers in public as a hooded hero. I just hope for once before smallville is over they will put in the joke of how Clark will be jelouse of the way she feels about Superman. Thats always good comedy!




Maybe they will turn things around, and Lois will love Clark but dislike Superman for some reason, and that will be the dilemma. It's hard to imagine this Lois falling out of love with Clark. She's gotten to know the real Clark; not a fake geeky persona. So once she falls for him, that should be that. The show has put itself in a corner. I don't see how they can be true to the characters AND true to the traditional mythos. But I'd love to be proven wrong.

[geminis]

I'm a big old softie, I hate to see anybody cry, but especially Lois. My heart definitely broke for her own but luckily Clark is going to fix it. :)

[LoveHurts38]

I was sad for Lois for many reasons....her family(Chloe & now Jimmy) she being abducted and Jimmy internal bleeding that she went with him to Star City and the Lois and Clark.

[Krypton935]

That was really sad! I felt so bad for her!!! WAHHHHH!!!

[OneShotClois]

My heart broke a million times for her, for a variety of reasons.

[Clarky123]

i felt soo sad, at one point i was hating lana, but thinking about it lana ain to do nothing. its all clarks fault. he is such a big dope!!!!! why he has to act all weird and leave lois all heart broken.

boys are sooo dumb!!! *sobs*


youre sexist kay!

[rysamad]

I don't care about the Lois & Clark relationship. It's SV not Metropolis.

[lillie_poo_pod]

I didn't feel bad for her, at all. This whole pining thing happened with Chloe back in season 2. I hated it then and I hate now. Though I did feel for Chloe a bit. This is all just another thing that has happened with Chlark and I can't feel bad for that.

[LoisLaneKicksAss]

grrrr i hate lana.
and obviously she is still in connection with lex or someone because of the text.
grrrrr.

[AndiGirl]

I felt horrible for Lois,
her sad little eyes made me want to cry for her. :(

But then I remember....we all know how this story is going to end, so I dont feel all that bad. ;)

[kookykrumbs]

I didn't feel bad for her, at all. This whole pining thing happened with Chloe back in season 2. I hated it then and I hate now. Though I did feel for Chloe a bit. This is all just another thing that has happened with Chlark and I can't feel bad for that.

I disagree there. Lois didn't imagine Clark reciprocating her feelings. He did. He just got confused/shocked when Lana came back. Clark never had any feelings for Chloe other than friendship unlike Lois.

[Clarkfalls4Chloe]

NO! I felt my lunch come up when they almost kissed. terrible chemistry. like kissing your sister...yuk.

[redRound]

It didn't really bother me. It was a moving scene, but I thought the Clana moments were more touching, (I can't believe I just said that!), and also the Clark and Chloe ones.

Tbh, for me, the way Lois has been portrayed so far is the only sore spot in S8. It's been such a disappointment because I was really rooting for her, but I hate all the Buffy speak that they give her, and then there's the "comedy", :rolleyes: I'm sick of it.

[Vindellavon]

Nope. For once, Lana Lang showed up at the right time.

[hyped4lnc]

I must admit that Lana is not to blame for what happened. This was Clark's fault. Lana made it clear that it was over between her and Clark. But for some reason, he seemed to find it difficult to accept this.
I really can't agree with this. It seemed like Clark accepted it to me. The only thing I saw was Clark automatically thinking the troubles of the world are his fault. He didn't pine or beg for Lana to take him back.

[SteveS]

Wow, you really are biased and have a very warped view of how things actually are. Clark saw the ex that dumped him by video and was stunned. As any guy or girl would be. Lois didn't know how to handle the situation, as she admitted to Ollie. Clark didn't reject her and Lois knows that. She just doesn't know what to do with the situation. I'm not sure how that could have been made any clearer.

It could have been simpler by lois disappearing into the woodwork, which she almost did, and not picking up a bottle of champagne to swill by herself in a moment of self-pity. You might remember that lois made a fool of herself just a few weeks ago with her drunken toast to Chloe and Jimmy. ClarkMan had to save her from making herself more of an ass than she really was.

So, that was pretty clear and lois should stay away from alcohol since she obviously no longer has the ability to 'drink generals under the table.':(

[Thil_EL]

I don't like Lois. I don't like how ED and the writers portray her character. I don't like Clois because it seems unnatural and forced and I don't see any romantic (sibling? yes!)chemistry between TW and ED. So that being said I didn't really feel sorry for Lois; was just annoyed that she was on the screen when it could have been used to show more Davis because this episode was about Davis' transformation to Doomsday but instead 90% of the actual episode was concentrated on silly Clois drama.

Don't get me wrong, love ships. (chuck/sarah, micheal/Sarah,Jack/kate,Wedny/Hodges,Jim/Pam..etc) Its not like I'm one of those people who are annoyed by silly love triangles and relationship dramas on shows, but this Clois thing just doesn't work for me and I'm glad that 55 other people agree with me.

[Deana]

Yes, I felt really bad about what happened with Lois, but I have not forgotten that this is Smallville we are watching and no matter how much chemistry Lois and Clark have and no matter how many bones they throw us . . . it is not yet their time.

I love how they toyed with her feelings in this episode. When he was reading Jimmy's vows and she thought he was talking to her, that was a great scene. The almost kiss and Lana walking in . . . freaking brilliant.

Clark's present heart is divided between the past keeper and the future keeper and I don't see either keeper winning. It's not yet time for the future keeper to own his heart completely and he is slowly letting the past keeper go.

[Clana4Life]

Clark didn't remember Lois until after he saw her at the hospital. His mind was centered on Lana and Chloe. I would not date Clark at this point if I were Lois because he is obviously not over Lana. He can't even leave her at the hospital until she says "go". Lana had to say go before Clark realized that "hey, I have to find Chloe." Watch that hospital scene again. It's like he forgot that he needed to find Chloe when he was wit Lana. And again, Lana has to leave Smallville for Clark to even consider another person. For this reason I feel sorry for Lois. If Clark had his way, he would still be with Lana. It was Lana who ended things. And I'm pretty sure if she said "let's try again." He'd try again. I'm just curious as to whether anyone felt sorry for Clark. He seemed hurt that Lana seemed okay with moving on and being away from him. I personally think Lana is lying. Something or someone made her leave Clark and if Clark finds out that's the case, then I feel double sorry for Lois, because he'll be all consumed with rectifying this. Again, this show was never set up for a Clois romance and they'll have hard time making it seem as though Lois isn't Clark's second choice.

[Mickey_Bickey]

It could have been simpler by lois disappearing into the woodwork, which she almost did, and not picking up a bottle of champagne to swill by herself in a moment of self-pity. You might remember that lois made a fool of herself just a few weeks ago with her drunken toast to Chloe and Jimmy. ClarkMan had to save her from making herself more of an ass than she really was.

So, that was pretty clear and lois should stay away from alcohol since she obviously no longer has the ability to 'drink generals under the table.':(

Can you get some new material? I've seen you post almost the same thing in over 10 different threads, and that's only the ones I've read. God knows how many more are out there.

Where is your criticism of Oliver hitting the bottle. Lois doesn't even remotely come close to being an over drinker! Although, Oliver was a rum junkie according to himself.

It's fine that you don't like the Lois Lane character, but to keep on all day about the drinking is getting old! Really! It would almost be weird if she didn't have a drink now and then at her age!:rolleyes:

[LCforever]

Clark wanted to kiss Lois because he has feelings for her. Now all we need is for that stinking Clana resolution (which is going to take A LONNNNG 4 EPISODES) and then we can get back to the show.

This is going to be a tough winter! I can't wait for February.. it'll be around Valentine's day after all!

[Clana4Life]

Seriously if you were Lois, would you want to pursue something with Clark? Would you really believe he was over Lana after four episodes, which is the equivalent of what - a month? No, I'd be doubtful, I'd be leery. I'd think "Gee, will this guy ever be over her? It's been seven years!!!" But then again, if I were Lois, I would still be with Oliver.

[umm]

I was sad for Lois for many reasons....her family(Chloe & now Jimmy) she being abducted and Jimmy internal bleeding that she went with him to Star City and the Lois and Clark.

Not a nice day for Lois, not a nice day for anyone! A lot of heartbreak, sorrow, sadness, not to mention the fysical damage sustained by many! I mean Lana comes back and get's nocked on the head, that's your old Smallville per usual I guess! Jimmy is hurt, and Chloe in the clutches of a mad, stony, alien, homocidal, maniac!

[MrZeppo]

"Lois doesn't run and hide when she's hurt. She's a fighter, not a runner."

We see it differently but using the same words, as soon as Lana appeared in ClarkMan's vision and he dropped lois like a rock, she basically 'ran' outside the party and 'hit' the booze. Not much of a fighter, but a very weak loser that turns to a potentially another drunken moment in order to handle rejection by ClarkMan.

She still is not worthy.

Well, I think being rejected by Clark is something every female on the show has suffered from beside Martha of course. I mean, I can tell you have a personal vendetta against Lois, I'm not sure why, and really I don't want to get into that. But really your logic applies to everyone.

When Chloe was rejected by Clark, she went all double agent for Lionel to dig up dirt on him. In some ways, that is horrific. Yet look at how amazing Chloe is now?

When Lana was rejected by Clark, she got really whiny and hypocritical and ended up taking drugs to get close to death to see her parents. Now she's grown up to be a confident woman without Clark.

Lois gets drunk when she's upset. FYI, so do a lot of people. I think even the Lois Lane from the comics has been known to enjoy some booze, so I don't mind.

No one is perfect. No one takes rejection well. Maybe Lois isn't "worthy" of Clark yet. YET! As much as I love Clark, I think he isn't entirely worthy of Lois yet either. The two have a little farther to go before they can openly admit how they feel about each other. Obviously Clark still has MUCH further to go.

[jrp8907]

I love Clana but I am starting to like SV Clois. So I'll have to admit that I did feel bad for Lois. I'm torn b/w 2 ships.

[Clana4Life]

Well, I think being rejected by Clark is something every female on the show has suffered from beside Martha of course. I mean, I can tell you have a personal vendetta against Lois, I'm not sure why, and really I don't want to get into that. But really your logic applies to everyone.

When Chloe was rejected by Clark, she went all double agent for Lionel to dig up dirt on him. In some ways, that is horrific. Yet look at how amazing Chloe is now?

When Lana was rejected by Clark, she got really whiny and hypocritical and ended up taking drugs to get close to death to see her parents. Now she's grown up to be a confident woman without Clark.

Lois gets drunk when she's upset. FYI, so do a lot of people. I think even the Lois Lane from the comics has been known to enjoy some booze, so I don't mind.

No one is perfect. No one takes rejection well. Maybe Lois isn't "worthy" of Clark yet. YET! As much as I love Clark, I think he isn't entirely worthy of Lois yet either. The two have a little farther to go before they can openly admit how they feel about her.


But how do they feel about each other? We get Lois saying that she loves Clark right after having a vigil by Oliver's side in the episode prior to that one. We hear her talk about regretting letting Oliver go. We see how much she loves him. Then we hear that she loves Clark. I'm fine with her being in love with two men, I just don't want them to sweep one under the rug just like that. It just makes me wonder if she's entirely clear on who she loves. And Clark...I don't think he's in love with Lois at this point. He may sort of like her and find her attractive, but he's still in Lana-land (that sounds like a game). I don't even know if he knows how to "not be in love with Lana." He seems to practice at not ever getting over her.

[geminis]

But how do they feel about each other? We get Lois saying that she loves Clark right after having a vigil by Oliver's side in the episode prior to that one. We hear her talk about regretting letting Oliver go. We see how much she loves him. Then we hear that she loves Clark. I'm fine with her being in love with two men, I just don't want them to sweep one under the rug just like that. It just makes me wonder if she's entirely clear on who she loves. And Clark...I don't think he's in love with Lois at this point. He may sort of like her and find her attractive, but he's still in Lana-land (that sounds like a game). I don't even know if he knows how to "not be in love with Lana." He seems to practice at not ever getting over her.

It would seem that way, wouldn't it? And Lois obviously thinks so too. I'm actually looking forward to the next few episodes to see Clark's true feelings on the subject.

Back to Lois: still feeling sad for her. But as I said, everything will work out in the end.

[SteveS]

Can you get some new material? I've seen you post almost the same thing in over 10 different threads, and that's only the ones I've read. God knows how many more are out there.

Where is your criticism of Oliver hitting the bottle. Lois doesn't even remotely come close to being an over drinker! Although, Oliver was a rum junkie according to himself.

It's fine that you don't like the Lois Lane character, but to keep on all day about the drinking is getting old! Really! It would almost be weird if she didn't have a drink now and then at her age!:rolleyes:

Obviously you must have missed the old episode where she swore off drinking since she couldn't handle her actions, missed her making a fool of herself and embarrassing Chloe with her drunken toast, and last night was only saved from herself by Oliver being a good Samaritan and listening to her whine.

It is gonna be hard to get new material on lois since it appears that she will be AWOL for a series of episodes. And actually, I do wish the writers had left lois on the porch drinking from the champagne bottle all by her lonesome with no interference from that pesky ol' Oliver. If the duration were long enough, prior to Doomsday's attack, lois could have returned to the party and shown everyone the positive effects of getting drunk on champagne. Then she would have played the fool in both of Chloe's & Jimmy's festivities.

In terms of Oliver, show me a couple of examples of his public drunkeness are the parties of families and friends, on Smallville only, funny books don't count.

What you don't appreciate is that it would have been possible to have written a version of lois without all of the flaws and as a person worthy of respect. Fans and fanlettes often seem to ignore or excuse each and every obnoxious stunt she pulls, whereas I pull for the better person. So...until they upgrade lois (I guess lightswitch her) and provide the fodder for critique by her actions on-screen, I will continue to note how she is unworthy of being a partner of a Superman.

The good news is that this version will never be such on Smallville. :D

[Mickey_Bickey]

Has everyone seen the prior episodes that I have? Maxima said "if it weren't for his attraction to you (speaking to Lois and referring to him breaking away from her)", and Faora said "you have feelings for this creature I inhabit". The writers are telling us without Clark actually saying it that he's falling for Lois!

Maybe Clark hasn't come out and said it like Lois, but there is no doubt especially watching how he was looking at her on the stairs and leaning in for a kiss at the reception that he is falling for her. Yes, he was stunned that Lana showed up, but that will not stop him from moving forward with Lois. Did everyone see him watching her as she was leaving? He didn't want her to go. TW is a good actor, and during the dance sequence he absolutely "INVITED LOIS WITH HIS EYES" to kiss him.

Anyhow, we all know that the love of Clark's life is not his first love, it's his last, Lois Lane, and I believe it's coming to Smallville!;)

[Rosa76]

I did get teary-eyed at the end !I felt sorry for Lois :(

[Mickey_Bickey]

Obviously you must have missed the old episode where she swore of drinking since she couldn't handle her actions, missed her making a fool of herself and embarrassing Chloe with her drunken toast, and last night was only saved from herself by Oliver being a good Samaritan and listening to her whine.

It is gonna be hard to get new material on lois since it appears that she will be AWOL for a series of episodes. And actually, I do wish the writers had left lois on the porch drinking from the champagne bottle all by her lonesome with no interference from that pesky ol' Oliver. If the duration were long enough, prior to Doomsday's attack, lois could have returned to the party and shown everyone the positive effects of getting drunk on champagne. Then she would have played the fool in both of Chloe's & Jimmy's festivities.

In terms of Oliver, show me a couple of examples of his public drunkeness are the parties of families and friends, on Smallville only, funny books don't count.

What you don't appreciate is that it would have been possible to have written a version of lois without all of the flaws and as a person worthy of respect. Fans and fanlettes often seem to ignore or excuse each and every obnoxious stunt she pulls, whereas I pull for the better person. So...until they upgrade lois (I guess lightswitch her) and provide the fodder for critique by her actions on-screen, I will continue to note how she is unworthy of being a partner of a Superman.

The good news is that this version will never be such on Smallville. :D

I've been watching Smallville for years, and I haven't seen many episodes where Lois is making a fool of herself by being drunk! All your remarks are that of a 12 step program, "hitting the bottle" blah blah blah.

EVERY person has flaws! It's ridiculous to even think of writing a character like Lois Lane without flaws. Some will love her and some will hate her, and it's obvious where you stand.

It seems like you have a problem seeing a woman drinking for whatever reason! Lois' character is that of a strong, sexy, outspoken, smart, capable, loyal and tenacious person. She's a powerful woman, and that is precisely why she is Superman's soulmate! If she chooses to have a drink from time to time, especially at a wedding where her heart was broken, then I see nothing wrong with that. It's almost strange the way you're focussing in on that one aspect in every thread making her out to be this obnoxious drunken character, which of course she is not! She's in her twenties for God's sake, and she's single.

What about Lex swigging Gin, Scotch and Bourban for 7 Seasons! Oliver was partying like a Rock Star recently in most of the episodes prior to Identity!

Even Clark's cousin, Kara said Lois is strong, she can handle it.

She broke the embrace with Clark and left with her dignity intact. She showed a lot of class at the wedding by not saying anything after Lana showed up. She'll come back, and believe me Clark will be focussed on her. I may have a drink to that myself!:rotfl:

[cygnusx1]

i'm kinda thinking that ck will realise his true feelings for lois during a loft type scene with lana during their arc resembling the elevator scene with maxima.

[ClarkAKASuperman]

Nah. This Clark and Lois chemistry does not work. I find it a little nauseating. I rather see Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher.

I also loved Teri and Dean more then Tom and Erica, but i was thinking a few days ago ... when I saw the episode of the mad man with the electric chairs... that the chemistry is growing ... I'm beginning to like Tom and Erica because Lois is becoming a bigger and bigger character in Smallville

[FinnHarp]

My heart broke for Lois, kind of because of the Clark thing and Lana coming back and all that.
But the part that really got me was when she was talking to Ollie and she says that for once she thought that someone needed her. It just showed all her insecurities about not being good enough and about people always having responsibilities or a destiny that didn't require her around, or that always came before her. Like in Siren when she found out Ollie was GA and she tells Clark that her dad was the same way, and she says that she can't be left behind one more time.
Aaaaahhhhhhhhh I'm tearing up now. That's why Lois is the way she is, even if people don't ask for her help or advise she's going to get in there anyway and give it because she needs to be needed. Some might see it as an annoying thing or whatever but that's Lois, and that's why I found that scene so sad because she obviously thought that Clark needed her and then he basically forgets she exists when Lana came back.

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I also loved Teri and Dean more then Tom and Erica, but i was thinking a few days ago ... when I saw the episode of the mad man with the electric chairs... that the chemistry is growing ... I'm beginning to like Tom and Erica because Lois is becoming a bigger and bigger character in Smallville


The chemistry between Teri and Dean was built up from the start on Lois and Clark though. In Smallville they had Lois in it for 4 seasons and spent that whole time focusing on Clark and Lana and trying to build some sort of weird platonic friendship thing between Lois and Clark. So now the new guys have decided to put it right but it will take more than 10 episodes to do that. Although I think ED has done a great job of it because I genuinely felt everything Lois was feeling in Bride. Clark on the other hand has been a bit slower to get into the swing of it but I'm hoping the Loisless episodes will force him to get the finger out and they can start building up his feelings when Lois comes back.

[skylar]

I personally had tears in my eyes!! I felt so bad for Lois
after all her and Clark has been through and they almost
have something special happen bewteen them and then its
all gone away. That totally SUCK A$$!!!

[Jade4813]

I was sad by the scenes, but I didn't cry into the beer I was drinking at the time. Don't think I'll sob into the long island iced tea I'll make myself when I get home, either. But I thought there were some terribly sad scenes in the episode, definitely.

[yes2destiny]

Yeah, I wanted to drink that champagne with her pretty much right at the point Lana showed up (however, I do like Lana), though I also had a physical reaction when she thought Clark was saying the words from Jimmy's vows in reference to her. I literally cringed at the embarrassment of it all. My heart broke for Lois. I was mad at Clark somewhat even though I could understand his reaction. I just didn't like where his reaction put Lois and what it did to her.

I love that she told Oliver that for a minute she thought someone needed her because that idea of Clark needing Lois fits so well with what they will be to each other later, that even Superman needs someone, you know? ED played that scene in a heartbreakingly restrained manner.

Anyway, I adore this Lois Lane, flaws and all. Not that I ignore them. There has been many a time that I've shaken my head and said, "Oh, Lois." But I get her, and I get those moments. In fact, the pain is returning...I'm gonna go get a drink...

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

I love the Lois and Clark relationship and how they tease us!!!! But I think I dont want them to get together until after there is a Superman.

[ShInE4YoU]

When Lana showed up Lois was totally forgotten. Clark better prove he deserves Lois when she gets back.
YES! THANK YOU!! SHES NOT A POOR MAN'S LANA....!!!!

[FinnHarp]

did anyone else notice when doomsday was attacking clark was just standing there till he noticed lana was on the ground and he runs over to her, ignoring all the other people getting thrown about. I thought oh no, here we go again.

[ShInE4YoU]

Yeah, I wanted to drink that champagne with her pretty much right at the point Lana showed up (however, I do like Lana), though I also had a physical reaction when she thought Clark was saying the words from Jimmy's vows in reference to her. I literally cringed at the embarrassment of it all. My heart broke for Lois. I was mad at Clark somewhat even though I could understand his reaction. I just didn't like where his reaction put Lois and what it did to her.
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ME TOO!!! I FELT SOOOO BAD FOR HER...HOW HUMMILIATIN' RIGHT...I WOULD GET REAL ANGRY AT HIM, BUT HE LOOKED TOOOO GOOD IN THAT SUIT.....

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[quote=FinnHarp;4186920]did anyone else notice when doomsday was attacking clark was just standing there till he noticed lana was on the ground and he runs over to her, ignoring all the other people getting thrown about. I thought oh no, here we go again.
^^^^LOL! I KNOW, HE DID THAT "LANA!" THING WITH HIS VOICE LIKE HE USED TO....I CRINGED!!!!...HONESTLY I DID...

[DontCha]

Steve, steve steve

whenever I have a hangover or point of fact when ANYONE has a hangover/ is embarrassed about their actions the night before

everyone almost always utters the words
"I'm never drinking again"

but we always do.

[legofreak]

it was sad but wasn't that bad i think.,.. because oliver said to lois he(clark) needs her and the next 4 episodes, lois is going to prove it.

[FinnHarp]

have you seen the commentary on spell with the 3 girls and they point out how in the caves Clark runs over to help lana up but just leaves Lois and Chloe to sort themselves out. It's funny but also sadly true.

[shlyish]

Meh, dont care for this version of Clois... and plus.. Lois is just going to hook up with the next guest star anyways.

[Becc]

Seriously if you were Lois, would you want to pursue something with Clark? Would you really believe he was over Lana after four episodes, which is the equivalent of what - a month? No, I'd be doubtful, I'd be leery. I'd think "Gee, will this guy ever be over her? It's been seven years!!!" But then again, if I were Lois, I would still be with Oliver.

I agree- there's no way I'd believe Clark was over Lana. And I would never want a guy to be with me if it was only because he couldn't have the woman he seemed to really want. Like I've said before give me Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher's Lois and Clark anyday. In fact I think I might watch some of their episodes today :D

[DontCha]

My heart didnt exactly break, By the end of it, its message was clear, this aint the end of clois, just a gap, a breather, the way they were looking at eachother as she walked out. Was beautifully done

I watched that scene in a rush at first and the volume was down but just from their expressions you could tell this is the love story of the season and not clana.

Clois is the thing overcoming trials and tribulations in order to develop this season. Its not clana...that is reading clear cut CLOSURE to me.

[Alicia Chipy]

Lois better put him thru Hell and back after this if he wants her love.Once again the Harley stays in the motorcycle dealer,and he goes for a Big Wheel.

[Violet-Shadow]

I was just rewatching the Clois scenes...it's so sad! Poor Lois!

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My heart didnt exactly break, By the end of it, its message was clear, this aint the end of clois, just a gap, a breather, the way they were looking at eachother as she walked out. Was beautifully done

I watched that scene in a rush at first and the volume was down but just from their expressions you could tell this is the love story of the season and not clana.

Clois is the thing overcoming trials and tribulations in order to develop this season. Its not clana...that is reading clear CLOSURE to me.

ITA

[MetroGirl06]

Yes, it was sad. I was especially annoyed that Clark practically forgot he was about to kiss Lois the moment Lana walked into the room.

[LoisL]

I felt really bad for her but I was also kind of angry/frustrated that she was being that openly vulnerable. I don't think Clark has done anything to encourage her to take down her walls to that extent.

I don't blame Clark for the mess tonight. I don't blame Lana. Maybe just because I'm so used to this kind of stuff playing out where they're concerned. It happened to Chloe after all. I do, however, give some blame to Lois for not knowing better since, happily, she's not Chloe and has actually witnessed and wisely critiqued the Chlarker dead end. But oh well, we're all human -even when we're fictional characters being propelled by soap opera writers.

[Clana4Life]

Yes, Clois is end game, but comics, mythos and cannon notwithstanding, is Smallville Clois the end game only because Lana will be leaving? Given Clark's feelings for Lana and given 7 and now 8 years of history and this "undying" love for Lana, is it realistic that it will be gone in four episodes? Is it likely that he'll come to some epiphany where he realizes they were never meant to be? Or will it be more of a "we have to be apart because Lana says so" sort of thing. If it's the latter, then he essentially moves on because he can't have who he really wants. I just think it's been set up bad and anyway they swing it, it will not look good. If Clark comes out of left field with some "Lana, you're right, we should just friends" in four episodes then that will be the biggest lightswitch ever considering last night's episode. And if it's just a one-sided Lana decision to stay apart, then Lois should always wonder if she's second choice. Al/Miles set this show up as if Clana were end game and now PS3 are trying to fix it, but they are 8 years too late, I think.

[the highlander]

That is just not true.. it proves that one always remembers the good ol'times. Nothing wrong with that.. Clark was NOT in love with Lana at that point... He just remembered and he never had ANY type of closure with her. He was seeking that.

He was remembering something that was painful to him to see if it was the same for her...

"its that easy"... Remembrance.....

[May]

exactly.. what clark need is CLOSURE.. and it will happen.. you´ll see.. well i´m hoping anyway..
poor Lois i felt so bad for her...

[Clana4Life]

That is just not true.. it proves that one always remembers the good ol'times. Nothing wrong with that.. Clark was NOT in love with Lana at that point... He just remembered and he never had ANY type of closure with her. He was seeking that.

He was remembering something that was painful to him to see if it was the same for her...

"its that easy"... Remembrance.....


What about him running to her side above all others when Doomsday hit? What about the hurt look on his face and the 20 questions. What about the fact that he could not leave her bedside until she said "go". Then he still set there for five more seconds before he realized he needed to find Chloe. I think it's more than remembrance. He doesn't just need closure. If she said the word, they'd be back together. He's still in love with her. He needs a memory swipe, cause that's the only way it seems that he'll forget and get over Lana. Lana saying it's over a billion times is seemingly not enough. And if the spoilers are to be believed Clark and someone with the initials LL...well, you know. That doesn't sound like closure. But I guess we'll have to see...

[davidbrenton]

Yes, Clois is end game, but comics, mythos and cannon notwithstanding, is Smallville Clois the end game only because Lana will be leaving? Given Clark's feelings for Lana and given 7 and now 8 years of history and this "undying" love for Lana, is it realistic that it will be gone in four episodes? Is it likely that he'll come to some epiphany where he realizes they were never meant to be? Or will it be more of a "we have to be apart because Lana says so" sort of thing. If it's the latter, then he essentially moves on because he can't have who he really wants. I just think it's been set up bad and anyway they swing it, it will not look good. If Clark comes out of left field with some "Lana, you're right, we should just friends" in four episodes then that will be the biggest lightswitch ever considering last night's episode. And if it's just a one-sided Lana decision to stay apart, then Lois should always wonder if she's second choice. Al/Miles set this show up as if Clana were end game and now PS3 are trying to fix it, but they are 8 years too late, I think.


I kind of agree that too much emphasis was put on Lana and getting her and not being with her. She was his first relationship, and it was sort of treated as the end game which always felt so pointless to me because we all KNEW that it wasn't. We were ready for the REAL end game, and I think that's why the L&C end game CAN work.

And quite frankly, it is (So long as Lana is treated as a L&C Catalyst as opposed to a destroyer).

[rep4clark]

What about him running to her side above all others when Doomsday hit? What about the hurt look on his face and the 20 questions. What about the fact that he could not leave her bedside until she said "go". Then he still set there for five more seconds before he realized he needed to find Chloe. I think it's more than remembrance. He doesn't just need closure. If she said the word, they'd be back together. He's still in love with her. He needs a memory swipe, cause that's the only way it seems that he'll forget and get over Lana. Lana saying it's over a billion times is seemingly not enough. And if the spoilers are to be believed Clark and someone with the initials LL...well, you know. That doesn't sound like closure. But I guess we'll have to see...

I AM A CLOIS SUPPORTER 4 EVER, BUT I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU ON ALL THE POINTS THAT YOU PICKED UP ON BECAUSE I SAW THEM TO, AND I WAS VERY DISSAPPOINTED WITH CLARK.. THEN I REALIZED THAT CLARK AND LOIS DONT HAVE EVEN A REAL KISS BETWEEN THEM AND CLARK AND LANA HAVE ALREADY MADE LOVE TO EACH OTHER, SO YEAH YOU ARE RIGHT ON SAYING THAT CLARK IS STILL SEARCHING FOR ANSWERS WITH LANA, BUT THIS IS SMALLVILLE, NOT SUPERMAN, OR METROPOLIS, AND LANA IS A PART OF HIM GROWING UP AND THEN CLARK LEARNING FROM HIS EXPERIENCES SO HE CAN FULFILL HIS DESTINY.

[EternalTwilight]

I can't wait until Clark can finally put Lana in the past where she belongs and Lois in the future, where she belongs. And the future can't come fast enough for me.

[luvinChlark]

Nope my heart did not break at all for her. She needs to learn how to control her emotions. (Even Chloe could do it better in the past seasons.) What happened to the tough Lois Lane? Lois basically leaving because of Clana was such a weak move. Whatever no Lois is refreshing.

Many have said Chloe was so pathetic pining for Clark for years, but now since it's Lois doing the pining it's all sweet and heartbreaking. No. It's only because her name is Lois and it's unbelievably ICONIC! :rolleyes:
Comparing cuflinks to sex was so ick worthy, show some class Lois.
Lois petting a (never-worn) tux of Clark's was just creepy to me. But it's Iconic so who cares if it's weird! :rolleyes:

[SuperJedi]

Frankly, my heart broke MORE for Lana than Lois, but of course Lois too.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Aaaaannnnd out come the haters. Surprise, surprise. Lasted a whole three pages odds this time before it started to be attack Lois so some improvement being shown. :)

[Sv.LoisLane]

Aaaaannnnd out come the haters. Surprise, surprise. Lasted a whole three pages odds this time before it started to be attack Lois so some improvement being shown. :)

:rolleyes: What can we do? Hmm.. oh! I have an idea and I use it: ignore button. My nerves are thanking me now. I love debate, but only when it's fair. I mean, if Lois shows herself as tough, it's not good because she's not feminine, etc., etc. When she finally shows herself as hurt, broken... it's not good... because she has to be her tough self. :rolleyes: How can the girl win?

Anyway, my heart breaks for her everytime I rewatch her scenes. And it will continue to break till she comes back :(

[FinnHarp]

Well it's not completely Lois' fault that she was so vulnerable. I mean when Chloe was in love with Clark he never showed any interest in her and nobody ever told her to go for it or encouraged her.

The last however many episodes people have been ramming hints down Lois' throat about her and Clark and then Jimmy basically tells her Clarks into her big time and Clark didn't exactly seem repulsed by her lately so it's not surprising Lois was a bit more open and vulnerable than usual.
I've said somewhere else aswell that Lois' managed to portray heartbroken without coming across as a whiney girl with a crush. It was a combination of her insecurities, about never feeling needed and always coming second, and for a brief minute she thought maybe she was important to someone and someone needed her, and then it was all snatched away from her.
Her scene with Ollie and then at the hospital with Clark were so sad and genuine. I don't think I've ever seen anything as sad on Smallville.

[RedKRules]

Since I was pressing the fastforward buttom through the whole episode, except for the end (DOOM), I couldn´t really make any observation about Lois´s behavior tonight, since we all have been there before, I am not interested on that anymore .... Come on!! Lois put yourself together, show some love for yourself, Clark Kent is not that worth drinking for!!!

[Kalista]

Nope my heart did not break at all for her. She needs to learn how to control her emotions. (Even Chloe could do it better in the past seasons.) What happened to the tough Lois Lane? Lois basically leaving because of Clana was such a weak move. Whatever no Lois is refreshing.

Many have said Chloe was so pathetic pining for Clark for years, but now since it's Lois doing the pining it's all sweet and heartbreaking. No. It's only because her name is Lois and it's unbelievably ICONIC! :rolleyes:
Comparing cuflinks to sex was so ick worthy, show some class Lois.
Lois petting a (never-worn) tux of Clark's was just creepy to me. But it's Iconic so who cares if it's weird! :rolleyes:

ITA But I love how the argument has shifted from she would never pine like Chloe to, she is pining but not like Chloe. Thank goodness Chloe never turned to the bottle or got frisky with Clark's flannel shirts.:lol:

[oqllcksmallville]

i was kind of sad .
i mean i didn't want Lois to be dropped ,
LIKE A FREAKIN' HOT PATATOE ,
when Lana came back .
Lois is a fighter , and i doubt she'll ever let Clark come back in easy again .

[ginnyfan]

Lois was longing for Clark and aching in this episode aka pining. But I'd argue that before this episode she was still trying to figure out how she felt about Clark. She wasn't happy about her admission in "Committed." When she first met Clark she didn't crush on him and she would never in her wildest dreams have imagined falling for him.

But I agree that in any Lois vs. Chloe identity debates people might have... the pining angle has been removed. :rolleyes:

Personally I've cringed a bit at how hard Lois is falling for Clark while Clark is still pretty clueless about his feelings for Lois. She hasn't been busting Clark's chops as hard as she had in the past. But I had to acknowledge that things are different on SV. Clark is more Superman-like than he has been in the past couple of years. There was the symbolic change in the phone booth moment. Lois has known him since season 4 so he's already in her inner circle of friends and behind her walls before they start working at the DP together.

So far Lois' pining hasn't lasted very long. Just this episode IMO. I like the way she stepped aside to let Clark sort out his feelings on his own. At the end, I don't think she was running away from Clark - she could be - I think she was trying to be there for Jimmy. If Lois pines for Clark for 4 more years after admitting her feelings for Clark and being rejected by him in favor of 2 other girls plus Lana; if Lois shuts Clark down suggesting that they remain only friends then gets revenge... continually looking sad about Clark not returning her feelings for 4 more years... I'll hate her pining as much as I came to hate Chloe's. For now, I'm rooting for Lois pining and all.

[Kalista]

That's what I'm talking about. I love the digs and all the rationalizing because it just proves my point. I expect as much.

Now we have entered in to the varying degrees of pining section of the debate.

Chloe hasn't pined for Clark since season two and Chloe has only been rejected by Clark once. So, with Bride, her cousin has now surpassed Chloe in that she has the honor of being rejected twice (Crimson and Bride).

I'm actually beginning to enjoy when people bring up the deal with Lionel because it reminds me how they overcame that rift in their relationship and continued to grow closer. It also reminds me that not all the characters escape without consequences, which is refreshing. Thanks for reminding me that at least one of the characters on this show has to deal with consequences.

While we are talking about rejection, I find it interesting that Clark only considers her when Lana appears to be out of the picture for good and when the Chlark bond (closeness) is altered. Very interesting indeed.

I didn't feel any sympathy for her in this episode.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

I love debate, but only when it's fair. I mean, if Lois shows herself as tough, it's not good because she's not feminine, etc., etc. When she finally shows herself as hurt, broken... it's not good... because she has to be her tough self. :rolleyes: How can the girl win?


Simple answer? She can't. On the one hand we have the Lois haters who say she is too hard on Clark and constantly belittling him. Then when she softens towards him the argument is where is this tough Lois Lane we've all been told about? Nothing can happen between them cos there's a brother and sister dynamic yet when Clark's inhibitions are lowered with Red-K he has her horizontal in the time it takes to jump from one rooftop to another. She shows she's having trouble with her feelings towards him, she's therefore pining and lord knows there's NEVER been any pining on the show before so yada yada yada. And so on and so on and so on ad nauseum.

Some people don't like Lois Lane on Smallville, that much is obvious. Personally I don't think it means bouncing from thread to thread where she's being discussed to keep saying the same thing over and over again or to keep moving the goalposts as to how she should or shouldn't be portrayed to satisfy people who are NEVER going to like her. To me it's a similar thing to all the people who are sick to death of being told onscreen that Lois and Clark are meant to be together. Some folks don't like Lois. We get it.

What it comes down to is in real life not everyone likes or gets along with the same kind of person as somebody else. Some people can get on with all kinds of people. But in real life, as on these boards, all it takes to create a more pleasant environment for all is a little thing called TOLERANCE. We all love and watch the same show, if we didn't then we wouldn't be here. It doesn't need to be a competition with a score card kept to see who wins the grand prize of Clark Kent.

I'm sorry. But it's just getting old for me. And during the hiatus I don't want to spend two months hitting my ignore option or un-subscribing from threads so I don't have to read the constant bashing. It's just how I feel is all.


Come on!! Lois put yourself together, show some love for yourself, Clark Kent is not that worth drinking for!!!

She grabbed a bottle and had two mouthfuls. Frankly I'd have done the same thing in her shoes - and then some. And I think we will see the walls back in place when she comes back. She put herself 'out there' for him, everybody has to take that chance at some point in their life or no-one would ever get together. I don't think she'll be as quick to do it again. Who is?

Well apart from Clark Kent with Lana Lang of course... And look how well that turned out for them in the end...

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ITA But I love how the argument has shifted from she would never pine like Chloe to, she is pining but not like Chloe. Thank goodness Chloe never turned to the bottle or got frisky with Clark's flannel shirts.:lol:

See. It's exactly this kind of statement that starts the whole tit-for-tat.

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But I agree that in any Lois vs. Chloe identity debates people might have... the pining angle has been removed. :rolleyes:


I agree. Maybe we could drop it now.

[ginnyfan]

I'm not trying to "dig" I'm just being honest. I love Chloe. I don't love her being sad about Clark for five years. I appreciate that you didn't see it that way but I did. It we cut out the time that Chloe's feelings for Clark were buried deep down then that's still all of season 1 and 2, half of season 4 and all of Season 5. That's a long time for me to watch the character that I consider the more desirable girl between Chloe and Lana play second fiddle and be sad.

I'm not rationalizing. Lois is sad about Clark. She loves him, she longs for him but she's only done it for what... a week? A month SV time? If you want to say she's been pining for Clark this whole season so far that's only a few months.

Clark rejected Lois in Crimson but NOT in Bride. And I wouldn't equate Crimson with Devoted where Chloe, in her right mind, admitted to Clark that she still had feelings for him and Clark in his right mind said he didn't feel the same way. Then he went on to date Kyla, Alicia and Lana. I was MAD about it and about Chloe's hair during the scene in devoted but that's neither here nor there. But I respect that you see things differently. Great that you see Lois as pining more for Clark than Chloe. I don't see that.

I don't bring up the deal with Lionel for any other reason except that it was partly motivated by Chloe's hurt feelings at the end of season 2. I don't understand the argument that Lois hasn't had to deal with consequences. Some people see the show so very differently than I do.

I don't think that Clark and Lois' growing relationship has much to do with Chloe or Lana. It has been growing since season 4 and not just romantically. And it's been growing while Chloe and Lana were both around. "Lucy," "Oracle," "Siren," "Apocalypse," "Toxic," "Committed," are just a few milestones in Lois and Clark's relationship. It's fine that you don't see it, but I do. We can agree to disagree.

The point of my post was to explain why, although I complained at length about Chloe's pining... I haven't even come close to that point yet with Lois' pining. Duration and circumstance are the reasons. It's fine that you disagree but I honestly have no alterior motive. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. In not saying their aren't similarities. I'm stunned that others don't see that there's a difference in duration and circumstance when in comes to Lois and Chloe pining for Clark. But that's fine. *shrug*

And I don't say any of this to suggest that Lois is better than Chloe in some way. I've said often that if it were up to me, Clark wouldn't have rejected Chloe at all. And there are really good reasons that Chloe's pining differs from Lois'.

1. They are two different people.

2. Chloe fell for Clark at first sight. Lois and Clark had a love hate relationship at first and love has only just snuck up on Lois.

3. Chloe was very young when the show began and she was dealing with her feelings for Clark. Lois is older and therefore has more perspective.


I agree. Maybe we could drop it now.

Dropping it now.

My heart did break for Lois but I know she's going to pick herself up and take action.

For the record my heart broke for Chloe for five years too. It's one of the reasons I was so happy to see Jimmy. No more Krypto-hag Chloe!

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Personally I've cringed a bit at how hard Lois is falling for Clark while Clark is still pretty clueless about his feelings for Lois. She hasn't been busting Clark's chops as hard as she had in the past. But I had to acknowledge that things are different on SV. Clark is more Superman-like than he has been in the past couple of years. There was the symbolic change in the phone booth moment. Lois has known him since season 4 so he's already in her inner circle of friends and behind her walls before they start working at the DP together.


Yep, I've cringed too. But then having been in her shoes when it came to falling for someone and putting my foot in it every five minutes I bit my tongue and waited to see where the show would take it. Bride made much more sense of the early part of the season for me and it was left in a way that gave me hope for the second half of the season. I want to see some of the bantering/sparring Lois back again. Though I'm quite sure people who don't like her will have plenty to say about it when that happens. :rolleyes:

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So far Lois' pining hasn't lasted very long. Just this episode IMO. I like the way she stepped aside to let Clark sort out his feelings on his own. At the end, I don't think she was running away from Clark - she could be - I think she was trying to be there for Jimmy.

ITA. And the fact she stepped away and won't be part of a triangle makes me happy, despite the fact I'll miss her when she's not there. They're all getting too old for all the angst and competing for a guy. To me it shows a lack of self-respect.

And yeah, at the end I totally agree she went to where she was needed most. Jimmy is now her family. She's devastated about her cousin. But neither of those things will earn her any brownie points with haters either.

[ginnyfan]

Yep, I've cringed too. But then having been in her shoes when it came to falling for someone and putting my foot in it every five minutes I bit my tongue and waited to see where the show would take it. Bride made much more sense of the early part of the season for me and it was left in a way that gave me hope for the second half of the season. I want to see some of the bantering/sparring Lois back again. Though I'm quite sure people who don't like her will have plenty to say about it when that happens. :rolleyes:

And I really think it's a great way to pull in audience sympathy for Lois. I know there are those who will never like her and who will always see her as usurping Chloe's place on the show *sigh* but I think for some viewers, Lois' tough exterior and harsh manner is just off putting. They can't see beyond it. So I think this was a great episode for those people to get a good look at the vulnerable woman behind all that armor.

When she comes back I think her walls will be up and she'll be her prickly self to the maximum. But we'll know about her soft toosie pop center then. ;)

As much as I would have loved for Clark and Lois to kiss and Lana to stay away... that would have been a denial on the part of the writers of Season 7 Clana and Clark's broken heart. Clana fans have certainly noticed Clark looking at Lana's necklace and watching the Dear John DVD and staring longingly at the circular wedding ring so... it had to be addressed. *grumbles*

Oh yes Smallville has done a great job avoiding the inane triangles this season. Jimmy's oblivious to Davis, Lois leaves Clark and Lana to thier angsting/developing friendship. I'm so proud of you SV for kicking the triangle habit. :D

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Thank goodness Chloe never turned to the bottle or got frisky with Clark's flannel shirts.

No, she just stormed off in anger, made a deal behind Clark's back and got her own column handed to her.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

That's what I'm talking about. I love the digs and all the rationalizing because it just proves my point. I expect as much.


Yup same here. I expect as much too. But it's not like it's a one-way street. People from both 'sides' are making digs and so it continues. But there are some of us that don't and having every single thread turn into this kind of thing is annoying for everyone. I'm not saying everyone does it or one side does it more than the other, I'm just saying it's getting old. And if one thread indicates a certain portion of the fanbase is more likely to be there with positive comments about a particular character, why bother making a dig in that thread? It's only gonna lead to the one thing.

Not trying to start a war about it either. Just saying that we could all do with taking a deep breath sometimes before we post. We all love the show, we won't always agree, but we don't need to say things we know will put peoples backs up.



Now we have entered in to the varying degrees of pining section of the debate.

Chloe hasn't pined for Clark since season two and Chloe has only been rejected by Clark once. So, with Bride, her cousin has now surpassed Chloe in that she has the honor of being rejected twice (Crimson and Bride).

And like it was said earlier I really think this part of the debate could be dropped now. Because my initial reaction to this would be to come back with a response to the two episodes versus one or two seasons part of the invisible scorecard and that will then automatically get a response and so it begins - until it gets nasty. I know this is just a response to what has already been said but if there's one thing we all need to remember it's that there have been many female characters on the show who have pined after Clark Kent. He's the hero of the story. That's how it tends to be written.



I'm actually beginning to enjoy when people bring up the deal with Lionel because it reminds me how they overcame that rift in their relationship and continued to grow closer. It also reminds me that not all the characters escape without consequences, which is refreshing. Thanks for reminding me that at least one of the characters on this show has to deal with consequences.


I agree with this. They did overcome that rift in their relationship. And they did continue to become closer. It's been clearly established what a close bond of friendship Chloe and Clark have and I love that. We should all have friends like that.

But there's more than one character on the show that has had to deal with consequences so let's not go there.



While we are talking about rejection, I find it interesting that Clark only considers her when Lana appears to be out of the picture for good and when the Chlark bond (closeness) is altered. Very interesting indeed.

Another dig. So I'm leaving this alone.



I didn't feel any sympathy for her in this episode.

Fair enough. That's all the thread was asking.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

And since when is this thread about Jimmy's wife?

[yes2destiny]

Yes, my heart broke for Lois in this episode. My heart broke for Chloe all those years ago, and it broke for Lana when she caught Clark making out with that one chick in his loft.

My point is: all three actresses play their respective characters so well that I can't help but feel for them. All of them have had their heart broken, and I sympathize, though my feeling for Lois in this episode bordered on empathy. I mean, I had a physical reaction when I saw her hurt.

When she touched that tuxedo, I completely believed that she was imagining Clark in it. I've done that at some point before...well, not imagine Clark in a tuxedo, but you know, see something that my boyfriend was about to wear and look at it fondly and reach for it because I can see him in it...maybe that makes me as "sappy" as Lois Lane was in that moment...:p

[cloisthelegendbegins]

I don't think that Clark and Lois' growing relationship has much to do with Chloe or Lana. It has been growing since season 4 and not just romantically. And it's been growing while Chloe and Lana were both around. "Lucy," "Oracle," "Siren," "Apocalypse," "Toxic," "Committed," are just a few milestones in Lois and Clark's relationship. It's fine that you don't see it, but I do. We can agree to disagree.


I don't either. And that's where the claim that Clark has only turned his attention to Lois after Lana and Chloe are 'out of the picture' bothers me. If he's the kind of guy who gets involved with someone for no other reason than the fact they're 'available' then frankly I don't want him within twenty feet of Lois Lane. It puts an incredibly bad light on Clark Kent - not on anyone else.

Simple fact is we can all see what we see when it comes to the 'ships', same with any relationships our friends have in real life, but we're not the ones IN the relationship. We have to sit on the outside looking in and watching to see what happens. What we feel, think or say won't effect the outcome. Only the writers of the show can do that. So we have to watch to see what happens.

Right now - romantically speaking - I see Clark and Lana as the relationship that didn't work, Clark and Chloe as the relationship that never happened and Clark and Lois as the relationship that has only got started. Now I'm gonna wait and see if any of that changes.

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And I really think it's a great way to pull in audience sympathy for Lois. I know there are those who will never like her and who will always see her as usurping Chloe's place on the show *sigh* but I think for some viewers, Lois' tough exterior and harsh manner is just off putting. They can't see beyond it. So I think this was a great episode for those people to get a good look at the vulnerable woman behind all that armor.

Agree with this too. Unfortunately that's not all that happened. Even some fans of Lois were unhappy with her showing so much vulnerability. Haters will hate regardless. But I agree it was to show the vulnerable side that is normally hidden beneath the brash exterior.
That's what I saw and understood and have battled with in my own life at times. So I get it. Not everyone will.

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As much as I would have loved for Clark and Lois to kiss and Lana to stay away... that would have been a denial on the part of the writers of Season 7 Clana and Clark's broken heart. Clana fans have certainly noticed Clark looking at Lana's necklace and watching the Dear John DVD and staring longingly at the circular wedding ring so... it had to be addressed. *grumbles*

Oh yes Smallville has done a great job avoiding the inane triangles this season. Jimmy's oblivious to Davis, Lois leaves Clark and Lana to thier angsting/developing friendship. I'm so proud of you SV for kicking the triangle habit. :D

Totally, totally TOTALLY agree with this (even if the Clana always makes me fearful after seasons six and seven from a Clark POV). Particularly agree with the bolded part ;)

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Yes, my heart broke for Lois in this episode. My heart broke for Chloe all those years ago, and it broke for Lana when she caught Clark making out with that one chick in his loft.

My point is: all three actresses play their respective characters so well that I can't help but feel for them. All of them have had their heart broken, and I sympathize, though my feeling for Lois in this episode bordered on empathy. I mean, I had a physical reaction when I saw her hurt.

When she touched that tuxedo, I completely believed that she was imagining Clark in it. I've done that at some point before...well, not imagine Clark in a tuxedo, but you know, see something that my boyfriend was about to wear and look at it fondly and reach for it because I can see him in it...maybe that makes me as "sappy" as Lois Lane was in that moment...:p

Bolded part cos again TOTALLY AGREE. And I'm right there with you on the empathy. That to me is great acting. If I can feel what they feel then they have tapped into personal experiences and who of us hasn't suffered a broken heart or ached for someone at some point??? It's what in writing is known as a common universal trait; love, loss, laughter, fear - we all experience them and when they're used in a story we automatically refer to our own experiences. I literally rode the rollercoaster with Lois in this episode. And that slow-mo walk at the end? Well I've done that - without the soundtrack and the montage mind you - I walked away from someone I loved with all my heart and I've never forgotten it. I knew exactly how she felt. And it's probably part of the reason why that scene effected me so much and why I still find it difficult to watch. :(

So I guess if no-one has ever experienced that in their own life they maybe wouldn't feel the same level of heartbreak for Lois.

[paolinki25]

Well, Erica is a great actress and she portrays emotions really well, though I don't get why they have to submit Clois to such awful, angsty crap. That's one of the thins I HATED the most about Clana, Lexana and all the other relationships

[gem65]

On the contrary...Clark would have kissed Lois had Lana not walked in. Put yourself in his shoes...and tell me that it's not weird for your ex to just show up like that. I refuse to believe that "Clark gave up on Lois" or "Clark went for Lana first" because it's not his fault that Lana walked in at that exact moment. Nor is it his fault that Lana was in the Barn when Doomsday walked in while Lois was inside the house. If anything, when Lois turned away from Clark at the end of the episode it proved that something is there. Might wanna change your name to Clois4Life :p

I agree!

[lifelovedestiny]

My heart shattered into a million little pieces! POOR LOIS!!!:(

[geminis]

I believe I said it already but I have to say it again. How can anyone not be affected by seeing someone crying and in pain? Despite the fact that I don't particularly care for Lana, her video dump of Clark made me cry because she was obviously so moved. And when Lois came in and hugged Clark, both of them with tears in their eyes, I was glad that no men were around because I was a mess. With Chloe, the hurt in her eyes on seeing the chemistry between Lois and Clark at the dunk tank brought tears to my eyes as well. Of course, I cry easily, but still. Pain is pain. Saying you don't care just because you don't like someone is something I will never understand.

Lois is harsh and abrasive but she is still a human being with feelings. She has a hard time with them and doesn't like to let them out but sometimes they slip out. But she'll get a grip on them quickly and put the barricades back up. Since Clark knows she has real, genuine, honest feelings, though, he'll take the time to get through her barricades.

[tmack09]

hmmmm...is it bad that I laughed when it all went down.

Like for Lois that was really messed up, shes feeling someone...sending out signals, finally giving in to what I will guess are emotions she was withholding (I haven't watched all season but anyway...) only to have it all come to a HALT as soon as the ex walks in the door :rotfl: I'm sry the moment was kinda messed-up-funny! And its not because I'm a Lana Lang fan, but because of the way it all happened. And then she grabbed a whole bottle of champagne...not a glass but the bottle :rotfl: too funny.

All in all, I suppose I felt bad for her for a minute, not cool to be 2nd choice for anyone.

[hyped4lnc]

I AM A CLOIS SUPPORTER 4 EVER, BUT I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU ON ALL THE POINTS THAT YOU PICKED UP ON BECAUSE I SAW THEM TO, AND I WAS VERY DISSAPPOINTED WITH CLARK.. THEN I REALIZED THAT CLARK AND LOIS DONT HAVE EVEN A REAL KISS BETWEEN THEM AND CLARK AND LANA HAVE ALREADY MADE LOVE TO EACH OTHER, SO YEAH YOU ARE RIGHT ON SAYING THAT CLARK IS STILL SEARCHING FOR ANSWERS WITH LANA, BUT THIS IS SMALLVILLE, NOT SUPERMAN, OR METROPOLIS, AND LANA IS A PART OF HIM GROWING UP AND THEN CLARK LEARNING FROM HIS EXPERIENCES SO HE CAN FULFILL HIS DESTINY.ITA!! I think one of the points of this episode was to show how Clark can be Superman and still be in a relationship with Lois. For the past few seasons, it has always been about either Clark choosing his destiny or choosing Lana. He could never have both, because with Lana, Clark can't seem to make his own decisions, and he's so insecure. And Bride showed that to an extent. In order to be Superman, Clark has to make tough decisions. It is established that he can't make those with Lana in his life. He has progressed so much during her absence. With Lois, he was more decisive and exudes courage. Before Bride, I didn't think Clark had the courage to take charge like he did with initiating that dance. :lol:

[cloisthelegendbegins]

All in all, I suppose I felt bad for her for a minute, not cool to be 2nd choice for anyone.

Certainly not 'cool' to feel that way. But shows a huge amount of self respect not to stick around and force Clark to make a decision. Any decision that Clark makes has to be Clark's alone, not anyone else's. That makes the woman he chooses to spend the rest of his life with in the end far from second choice. As it stands the decision whether or not to fight for the relationship he had with Lana was taken out of his hands with a DVD break-up. In the next four episodes he should be allowed to make his own choice - if he believes Lana is the one for him then this more mature Clark will fight for her. If he doesn't then he will have made a conscious decision.

I still find it amazing that anyone can laugh at someone else's pain. Clark never does. Maybe we all need to be more like Clark Kent...

Now. Who was it said that recently?

[DestinyAw8s]

I was, in Erica's own words, CRUSHED! Yes, Clark did indeed "crush" Lois in this episode, but this is all the "pining", if you want to call it as such, that we will see from Lois Lane. As indicated in the ending hospital seen, Lois is moving forward into the future, leaving Clark behind. It is now up to Clark. He can stay blundering around in the darkness of his past or move forward with her into a bright, new future. Should he choose to join her, he will not find the way so clearly defined by her as she did in this episode. When Lois Lane returns, I believe she will have put her "past" behind her and will be ready to face her future solo. From Lois' POV, why should she venture to put her heart out there once more, when for all intents and purposes, Lana could show up again in another six months? Nope. She will have a steel trap around her heart and, for those who thought she was abrasive in the past, I hope she is even pricklier and twice as pi*sy; finally ushering in the real Lois Lane that I've been waiting to see since Season 4. And I hope she gives Clark hell, because he's doing exactly what he hoped he wouldn't. His soulmate is right there and he just can't see her. He needs to feel the loss of true, absolute love in order to understand what he's done to Lois. Oh, I know he got his heart "broken" by Lana, over and over and over, yada, yada, yada. But that was never anything like the complete, soul-searing kind of love he will have for Lois Lane. Yep, he needs to feel the "crush", so that in the future, he will never, ever, ever do that to her again.

[kryptonaidxh]

But that was never anything like the complete, soul-searing kind of love he will have for Lois Lane. Yep, he needs to feel the "crush", so that in the future, he will never, ever, ever do that to her again.

:(Yes, I think it´s time Clark start to see Lois that way, as she really is meant to be for him: his real love and soulmate, and not keeping being stucked up in the past;)

[geminis]

Certainly not 'cool' to feel that way. But shows a huge amount of self respect not to stick around and force Clark to make a decision. Any decision that Clark makes has to be Clark's alone, not anyone else's. That makes the woman he chooses to spend the rest of his life with in the end far from second choice. As it stands the decision whether or not to fight for the relationship he had with Lana was taken out of his hands with a DVD break-up. In the next four episodes he should be allowed to make his own choice - if he believes Lana is the one for him then this more mature Clark will fight for her. If he doesn't then he will have made a conscious decision.

I still find it amazing that anyone can laugh at someone else's pain. Clark never does. Maybe we all need to be more like Clark Kent...

Now. Who was it said that recently?

I know! :D

And yes, not only Clark doesn't laugh at other people's pain, Lois doesn't either. Heck, despite her allergies, she rescued Shelby. Doesn't matter, animal or human, pain is pain. Despite the human denominator, people still amazingly choose to ignore others' feelings. Where is Clark Kent when we need him?

[supes0]

I hope she is even pricklier and twice as pi*sy;

:lol:

I hope she's indifferent and distracts herself with work. Clark wouldn't know how to deal with a civil(well, as civil as possible), distant Lois who can't be bothered to bicker with him. I also hope she drops the "Smallville" nickname and he notices it.

I'd like to see him sweat and try to figure out how to reach her.

[DestinyAw8s]

I still find it amazing that anyone can laugh at someone else's pain. Clark never does. Maybe we all need to be more like Clark Kent...

Now. Who was it said that recently?
The ability to laugh at someone else's pain shows a level of maturity way below my comprehension.

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:lol:

I hope she's indifferent and distracts herself with work. Clark wouldn't know how to deal with a civil(well, as civil as possible), distant Lois who can't be bothered to bicker with him. I also hope she drops the "Smallville" nickname and he notices it.

I'd like to see him sweat and try to figure out how to reach her.
lol That could possibly work, too. Although, I LOVE me some tough Lois. I hope she starts calling him "Kent".;)

[Xanusus]

Either way I think it's going to be a long time before Clark is truly over Lana.

Nah, as soon as Clark finds out that Lana is working in cahoots with Lex or Tess, that will be the final straw for him. Clark will realize then that Lana has too much darkness in her to be trusted as a lover. That's when Clois will pick back up and Clark will see his true destiny.

I definitely think they're building up this final straw for Clark(especially with that text message that she conveniently hid from him when he walked in). Clark will be like an infatuated school boy for a few episodes while this fleshes out and then the discovery will happen. Bye Bye Lana, hello Lois. And, this time it will be Clark's decision.

[tmack09]

Certainly not 'cool' to feel that way. But shows a huge amount of self respect not to stick around and force Clark to make a decision. Any decision that Clark makes has to be Clark's alone, not anyone else's. That makes the woman he chooses to spend the rest of his life with in the end far from second choice. As it stands the decision whether or not to fight for the relationship he had with Lana was taken out of his hands with a DVD break-up. In the next four episodes he should be allowed to make his own choice - if he believes Lana is the one for him then this more mature Clark will fight for her. If he doesn't then he will have made a conscious decision.

I still find it amazing that anyone can laugh at someone else's pain. Clark never does. Maybe we all need to be more like Clark Kent...

Now. Who was it said that recently?

:lol: maybe if it was a character I truely liked I'd find that laughing would be bad as well...but thats not the case here. I did feel sry for her, but not enough to hold back my laughter...

if this were REAL (life), I too will have to agree with you in saying laughing at someone elses pain isn't cool...but since its a TV show, I busted a gut at Miss.Lane's reaction...I thought "oops juuuust kidding Lane...gotta take a back seat for now" ....she'll have her moment, we all know that but for now...nope nope nope. ;)

[Becc]

ITA But I love how the argument has shifted from she would never pine like Chloe to, she is pining but not like Chloe. Thank goodness Chloe never turned to the bottle or got frisky with Clark's flannel shirts.:lol:

I know I think Chloe gets bashed on these forums much more than Lois does. Why does it always have to be one or the other. I mean Chloe is my favourite character but when reading all these threads everyone who seems to love Lois seems to hate Chloe and loves to point that out. Before coming here I liked Lois but after reading scores and scores of posts by Lois lovers that perpetuate this Chloe hate I find myself to be disliking EDLois.

[EternalTwilight]

I was a big Chloe fan until I came to this forum. I thought everyone realized that she has her place in Clark's life and it is as a friend. There is no need for Clark to be romantically involved with every female character on the show. As far as Chloe pining vs. Lois pining...there is a difference. One of them is wasting her time, the other is his destiny. I like Chloe but being here is making me change my mind.

[Jade4813]

I know I think Chloe gets bashed on these forums much more than Lois does. Why does it always have to be one or the other. I mean Chloe is my favourite character but when reading all these threads everyone who seems to love Lois seems to hate Chloe and loves to point that out. Before coming here I liked Lois but after reading scores and scores of posts by Lois lovers that perpetuate this Chloe hate I find myself to be disliking EDLois.

Alas, I have to say that I've suffered from this as well. I really liked Chloe before I came on these forums, but after reading post after post from Chloe fans bashing Lois, etc., I'm just over Chloe's character. I used to be sad that she might not be seen in other media. Now I just don't care. At one time, I was deeply saddened by the thought she might die. Now, however...? I'd feel sad...for the other characters on the show and the pain they were going through. For myself, I'd probably not be able to muster up the will to care.

This is the first fandom I've ever actually gotten myself into in terms of talking with other fans, and I think I'll make it my last, as well. Of course, there have been people I've enjoyed talking to (on both sides of the debate). But in the end, I'm not sure it's worth it. :\

[EternalTwilight]

Alas, I have to say that I've suffered from this as well. I really liked Chloe before I came on these forums, but after reading post after post from Chloe fans bashing Lois, etc., I'm just over Chloe's character. I used to be sad that she might not be seen in other media. Now I just don't care. At one time, I was deeply saddened by the thought she might die. Now, however...? I'd feel sad...for the other characters on the show and the pain they were going through. For myself, I'd probably not be able to muster up the will to care.

This is the first fandom I've ever actually gotten myself into in terms of talking with other fans, and I think I'll make it my last, as well. Of course, there have been people I've enjoyed talking to (on both sides of the debate). But in the end, I'm not sure it's worth it. :\

Don't be discouraged at all. I've been part of two other fandoms (X-Files and Veronica Mars) and never seen such a division based on 'ships. I just don't like the soap opera love triangle stuff but it seems to be a big thing here. Ironic though, isn't it? I never would have expected love triangles when it came to such an iconic relationship like Lois and Clark/Superman.

[Becc]

Alas, I have to say that I've suffered from this as well. I really liked Chloe before I came on these forums, but after reading post after post from Chloe fans bashing Lois, etc., I'm just over Chloe's character. I used to be sad that she might not be seen in other media. Now I just don't care. At one time, I was deeply saddened by the thought she might die. Now, however...? I'd feel sad...for the other characters on the show and the pain they were going through. For myself, I'd probably not be able to muster up the will to care.

This is the first fandom I've ever actually gotten myself into in terms of talking with other fans, and I think I'll make it my last, as well. Of course, there have been people I've enjoyed talking to (on both sides of the debate). But in the end, I'm not sure it's worth it. :\

See the thing I'm struggling with is that nothing will change how much I love Chloe's character and I find it really sad now that following my previous post the 2 following posters including yourself, mentioned that the Chloe bashing was so bad that you longer love the character. For me the reverse is happening and I'm beginning to hate Lois which is also really upsetting me. I have to say that I don't think it's fair for the majority of posters (from what I've seen) to behave this way.

The other fandom that I'm heavily involved in is Battlestar Galactica and I have to say that there I have never experienced anything like this. I originally came here because when I first started to lurk it seemed that a lot of people reacted positively to Chloe, now it seems that if you love Lois then you must bash Chloe :(

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Don't be discouraged at all. I've been part of two other fandoms (X-Files and Veronica Mars) and never seen such a division based on 'ships. I just don't like the soap opera love triangle stuff but it seems to be a big thing here. Ironic though, isn't it? I never would have expected love triangles when it came to such an iconic relationship like Lois and Clark/Superman.

But that's the thing I don't even ship Chlark at all (anymore)- and while i've seen bashing for that ship it's nothing in comparison to the hatred that seems to pervade this place with Chloe- and it really only comes from those who love lois/clois. Chloe isn't a threat to that character or their ship so why the hate?

[EternalTwilight]

But that's the thing I don't even ship Chlark at all (anymore)- and while i've seen bashing for that ship it's nothing in comparison to the hatred that seems to pervade this place with Chloe- and it really only comes from those who love lois/clois. Chloe isn't a threat to that character or their ship so why the hate?

What's making me dislike the character is the Lois bashing from those in favor of a Chlark relationship. At least that's the feeling I'm getting from the majority of the Chloe fans here. I guess you're part of a minority that doesn't feel this way. In any case, I always felt that there was so much potential to her character development but TPTB have made her revolve around Clark. She has come off as either being perpetually heartbroken and in love with Clark or she is some sort of side-kick to him and/or a tool to protect him and his secret. I would love to see her as an independent character with a big storyline. Now with the memory wipe, all bets are off, IMO.

[Jade4813]

See the thing I'm struggling with is that nothing will change how much I love Chloe's character and I find it really sad now that following my previous post the 2 following posters including yourself, mentioned that the Chloe bashing was so bad that you longer love the character. For me the reverse is happening and I'm beginning to hate Lois which is also really upsetting me. I have to say that I don't think it's fair for the majority of posters (from what I've seen) to behave this way.

The other fandom that I'm heavily involved in is Battlestar Galactica and I have to say that there I have never experienced anything like this. I originally came here because when I first started to lurk it seemed that a lot of people reacted positively to Chloe, now it seems that if you love Lois then you must bash Chloe :(

Hey, I'm right there with you! I just don't get it! As you said, nothing anyone says on here could make me love Lois less. I adore her character. Even many of those things that people dislike about Lois - her sass, for example - are reasons that I love her.

I do get what you mean about how it seems that you have to hate one character if you love the other. It so often seems that way, particularly on here. There are some who love both characters, but those seem few and far between.

And so many conversations have to degenerate into "Chloe v. Lois" debates. It's exhausting. The funny thing is, that yes, I ship Clois, but I could honestly care less if other people don't. Conversations about how Chloe and Clark or Lana and Clark or ANYONE and Clark...? They don't get to me. What gets to me is that so many posts can't seem to say "I think _____ and Clark are great together!" without then adding "And ______ is a number of horrible things that I shall now point out in the most offensive and insulting way possible..."

It's sad that I used to love Chloe and hate Lana, and exposure to the fandom has actually made me dislike Chloe and marginally less hostile about Lana. :\ I don't think that's supposed to happen. And what really sucks is that now, not only is Chloe in the new episodes ruined for me, but even the stuff I used to love is soured on me. I really felt for her in early seasons. I'm afraid now that, if I rewatched Smallville, I'd lose that sense of caring about Chloe.

If I ever start rooting for Lana, I'll know it's driven me round the bend.

I can never understand why people can't love their ship without constantly bringing up and bashing others. And, like was mentioned in another thread, there are all kinds of threads on this boards for people to talk about how they love or feel for a character. And other people (and people from ALL ships do this) can't seem to help themselves. They just have to go into the threads and say "Oh, you like this character? Well, let me bash away!" And then the people who are fans of the character have to respond with, "Oh, yeah? Well YOUR favorite character is all of THESE horrible things!"

And so it continues in a neverending attempt to take jabs at characters to show how your favorite character is in some way "superior." *sighs* It never, never ends.

[ginevrakent]

But that's the thing I don't even ship Chlark at all (anymore)- and while i've seen bashing for that ship it's nothing in comparison to the hatred that seems to pervade this place with Chloe- and it really only comes from those who love lois/clois. Chloe isn't a threat to that character or their ship so why the hate?

To be honest, from my experience, there is far more Lois bashing than Chloe bashing. That doesn't mean that it does not happen. Still, in this Bride forum alone I have seen Lois called a drunk who wanted to do it with a tuxedo. I've also seen her called shallow, mean, and weak. Outside of this Bride forum, there are entire threads devoted to bashing Lois or delegitimizing her character. Erica Durance is also repeatedly criticized for her physical appearance (i.e. plastic surgery). I have even been to other sites I will not name who refer to Lois as a boss***** or Erica as Boobstein. Cloisers are also belittled because they are perceived as mindless lemings who ship Clois because comic books say so regardless of the real development we believe we have seen on the show.

Obviously, I don't ascribe these opinions or statements to you. I also don't deny that there are times when Chloe is criticized. It just seems to me that Lois is more often than not the target of fan hatred.

[Jade4813]

But that's the thing I don't even ship Chlark at all (anymore)- and while i've seen bashing for that ship it's nothing in comparison to the hatred that seems to pervade this place with Chloe- and it really only comes from those who love lois/clois. Chloe isn't a threat to that character or their ship so why the hate?

I can't really speak for anyone else. However, I will say that when I first started coming on these boards, there weren't many Clois or Lois fans on here. It seemed to me like most people on here loved Chloe and/or Chlark. and there was quite a bit of negativity here towards Lois and/or Clois. So I think it must go in waves.

I don't think most Clois fans feel Chlarks is a threat. Any more than I think Chlark fans think Clois is a threat. So why the hate? I don't know. Because for some reason, some people seem to think that there has to be some kind of contest with an invisible scoreboard somewhere keeping tally. And the "best" character will win in the end, and the other characters will get...I don't know...publicly burned at the stake. And when it comes to SHIPS...? I just have to shake my head. I don't think the writers are keeping track of the points people make against other ships and Clark will be the prize they give to the winning side in the end.

And don't even get me started on the people who are shippers (Clark/____) who can't seem to help bashing Clark. He's the prize their favorite girl will get to win if they win the contest, but...they don't seem to like that prize very much.

If I said I understood it, I'd be lying.

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To be honest, from my experience, there is far more Lois bashing than Chloe bashing. That doesn't mean that it does not happen. Still, in this Bride forum alone I have seen Lois called a drunk who wanted to do it with a tuxedo. I've also seen her called shallow, mean, and weak. Outside of this Bride forum, there are entire threads devoted to bashing Lois or delegitimizing her character. Erica Durance is also repeatedly criticized for her physical appearance (i.e. plastic surgery). I have even been to other sites I will not name who refer to Lois as a boss***** or Erica as Boobstein. Cloisers are also belittled because they are perceived as mindless lemings who ship Clois because comic books say so regardless of the real development we believe we have seen on the show.

Obviously, I don't ascribe these opinions or statements to you. I also don't deny that there are times when Chloe is criticized. It just seems to me that Lois is more often than not the target of fan hatred.

In my experience, I would tend to agree. But I think if you're a fan of someone, you'll notice more bashing towards that character than you notice bashing of a character you don't care that much about.

[Becc]

What's making me dislike the character is the Lois bashing from those in favor of a Chlark relationship. At least that's the feeling I'm getting from the majority of the Chloe fans here. I guess you're part of a minority that doesn't feel this way. In any case, I always felt that there was so much potential to her character development but TPTB have made her revolve around Clark. She has come off as either being perpetually heartbroken and in love with Clark or she is some sort of side-kick to him and/or a tool to protect him and his secret. I would love to see her as an independent character with a big storyline. Now with the memory wipe, all bets are off, IMO.

I've only been here a short time and I;ve only really visited the episode threads and the spoiler threads, but from what I've seen there's hardly any chlarkers left and the bashing that I'm reading isn't for that ship it's for Chloe herself. I personally haven't seen Chloe heartbroken over Clark in years, even when she still had feelings for him she never appeared to be heartbroken to me. I also don't mind Chloe being used as a side-kick, I think it's great that Clark has had someone who would actively help him and would do anything to protect him. In a way that makes her a hero in her own right, and before the memory wipe I believe that's what we were starting to see. Her whole existence wasn't about protecting Clark it was just a portion of it.

[ginevrakent]

And don't even get me started on the people who are shippers (Clark/____) who can't seem to help bashing Clark. He's the prize their favorite girl will get to win if they win the contest, but...they don't seem to like that prize very much.

This definitely bothers me. Clark really is treated like a trophy sometimes by the fandom and even by TPTB on occasion.


In my experience, I would tend to agree. But I think if you're a fan of someone, you'll notice more bashing towards that character than you notice bashing of a character you don't care that much about.

I definitely appreciate the fact that one's biases can translate even to how one perceives how much a favorite ship or character is bashed. Sometimes I wish I and everyone else could be more objective and considerate. What can I say? Smallville fans certainly are a passionate bunch!

[alejandrita439]

at the end lois looked so sad...
well i felt sad for her :(

[Becc]

To be honest, from my experience, there is far more Lois bashing than Chloe bashing. That doesn't mean that it does not happen. Still, in this Bride forum alone I have seen Lois called a drunk who wanted to do it with a tuxedo. I've also seen her called shallow, mean, and weak. Outside of this Bride forum, there are entire threads devoted to bashing Lois or delegitimizing her character. Erica Durance is also repeatedly criticized for her physical appearance (i.e. plastic surgery). I have even been to other sites I will not name who refer to Lois as a boss***** or Erica as Boobstein. Cloisers are also belittled because they are perceived as mindless lemings who ship Clois because comic books say so regardless of the real development we believe we have seen on the show.

Obviously, I don't ascribe these opinions or statements to you. I also don't deny that there are times when Chloe is criticized. It just seems to me that Lois is more often than not the target of fan hatred.

I'll admit that I have read the drunk and "tuxedo"comments and I don't really want to say anything about them other then I thought they were in really bad taste and also not fair to the Lois character.

As for the other points you've mentioned I haven't read anything to that extent, nor would I ever like to believe that I'd say such hurtful things, but that's what's worrying me is that all the Chloe bashing will turn me against a character that I did like into a resentful Lois hater. Issues that I have previously had (and guess still do) have to do with some of the ways the writers have portrayed Lois or perhaps it's just that I loved Terri Hatcher's Lois Lane so much that Smallville's Lois is kind of a disappointment for me. But that has nothing to do with ED's acting and nor would I ever say hurtful things pertaining to ED as a person.

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This definitely bothers me. Clark really is treated like a trophy sometimes by the fandom and even by TPTB on occasion.


I agree and that's the reason why I would really prefer for Clark to have no romantic entanglements for at least a season so he could solely focus on his destiny for a change instead of it running a second to his love interest whether that be Lana, Lois, Chloe, or any other female people want to pair with Clark.

[EternalTwilight]

I guess it's different strokes for different folks. Chloe makes a great side-kick but I thought she could do more. But yeah, they were moving her in an interesting direction before the memory wipe. If the writers maintain the integrity of the characters, then I'll go along for the ride. My biggest worry is that the writers preserve the Lois/Clark story instead of re-inventing it to fit the Smallville version. As far as the shipper wars, I admit I avoided this forum and other SV forums because of the aweful Lois/ED bashing I've seen. Same reason why I kept myself from getting too attached to this show. I just didn't want to deal with the inevitable disappointment. So far, season 8 has beeng going really well for me so for now, I'm here to stay.

[superhippie2000]

it was pretty sad. felt bad for how lois was feeling. its like the first time she actually cared deeply for someone and not just another guy she likes.

[Becc]

I guess it's different strokes for different folks. Chloe makes a great side-kick but I thought she could do more. But yeah, they were moving her in an interesting direction before the memory wipe. If the writers maintain the integrity of the characters, then I'll go along for the ride. My biggest worry is that the writers preserve the Lois/Clark story instead of re-inventing it to fit the Smallville version. As far as the shipper wars, I admit I avoided this forum and other SV forums because of the aweful Lois/ED bashing I've seen. Same reason why I kept myself from getting too attached to this show. I just didn't want to deal with the inevitable disappointment. So far, season 8 has beeng going really well for me so for now, I'm here to stay.

Well I fear for Chloe and the moment I feel that TPTB have ruined her character is the moment I'll tune out, as for now though I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic.

I feel that the moment Lois and Clark do start their relationship is really the time that Smallville should end- because essentially then we're getting into the Superman years and that's not what Smallville was supposed to be about. But I'll object to them getting together before Clark invents his alter ego anyway because for me that;s how the story is supposed to go.

[ginevrakent]

I'll admit that I have read the drunk and "tuxedo"comments and I don't really want to say anything about them other then I thought they were in really bad taste and also not fair to the Lois character.

As for the other points you've mentioned I haven't read anything to that extent, nor would I ever like to believe that I'd say such hurtful things, but that's what's worrying me is that all the Chloe bashing will turn me against a character that I did like into a resentful Lois hater. Issues that I have previously had (and guess still do) have to do with some of the ways the writers have portrayed Lois or perhaps it's just that I loved Terri Hatcher's Lois Lane so much that Smallville's Lois is kind of a disappointment for me. But that has nothing to do with ED's acting and nor would I ever say hurtful things pertaining to ED as a person.

Well hopefully the character bashing from all sides will subside. With thoughtful and considerate voices like yours on this board, I am optimistic that you'll never be faced with being turned into a "resentful Lois hater."

I totally understand having issues with the way Lois has been written. I haven't always been supportive of everything that's happened with her character, but then I have problems with the way all of the characters have been portrayed. Nonetheless, my complaints are minor, and as a very forgiving person, I usually just let things slide.

Terri Hatcher's Lois was fantastic. I always remind myself that there can be different interpretations of the same character and that THLois is supposed to be Lois when she's a bit older than EDLois is at the moment. So I totally empathize with your disappointment and really appreciate your respect for Erica.

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it was pretty sad. felt bad for how lois was feeling. its like the first time she actually cared deeply for someone and not just another guy she likes.

My heart broke for her too. I think the exact moment that really got me was when she told Oliver that for the first time she felt like she was needed. God, it's so sad just thinking about all that Lois went through. You're Supernatural avi with the suicidal teddy bear keeps the darkness at bay, though (that show and Jensen Ackles are amazing).

[Becc]

Well hopefully the character bashing from all sides will subside. With thoughtful and considerate voices like yours on this board, I am optimistic that you'll never be faced with being turned into a "resentful Lois hater."

I totally understand having issues with the way Lois has been written. I haven't always been supportive of everything that's happened with her character, but then I have problems with the way all of the characters have been portrayed. Nonetheless, my complaints are minor, and as a very forgiving person, I usually just let things slide.

Terri Hatcher's Lois was fantastic. I always remind myself that there can be different interpretations of the same character and that THLois is supposed to be Lois when she's a bit older than EDLois is at the moment. So I totally empathize with your disappointment and really appreciate your respect for Erica.

Thankyou so much for your kind words :D

I really shouldn't only point out my disappointment with how Lois has been portrayed as I've had major issues with how Clark and Lana has been written as well. I guess it was just that I loved THLois so much, and also I was quite young when Lois and Clark first aired so I really idolized TH's Lois.

[EternalTwilight]

I love THLois! She was awesome! But Erica's doing a great job as well. She has a lot more criticism to deal with than Terri, IMO. She came into a show that was already well established.

[Becc]

I love THLois! She was awesome! But Erica's doing a great job as well. She has a lot more criticism to deal with than Terri, IMO. She came into a show that was already well established.

I agree that would have been hard, not mention how intimidating it would have been to be cast as such an iconic character with so many different expectations for her.

[RedKRules]

The truth is all characters of this show have flaws , and make mistakes ....

[melissan02]

I felt sad for Lois (especially when she opened up to Oliver)...then also at the hospital.

HOWEVER, I think Lois said and did the best thing she could have to Clark at the hospital.;) She's doing the right thing (for Chloe,--in being there for Jimmy) and toward Clark. I think Clark actually looked concerned at what was obviously a doubtful and dismissive Lois. ;)
Her walking away from him, then turning around briefly, spoke VOLUMES!!
I'm proud of her!
She'll come back a stronger and more determined Lois....Clark will notice...question is...will he know how to fix it???:p

[BadToad]

And that's where the claim that Clark has only turned his attention to Lois after Lana and Chloe are 'out of the picture' bothers me. If he's the kind of guy who gets involved with someone for no other reason than the fact they're 'available' then frankly I don't want him within twenty feet of Lois Lane. It puts an incredibly bad light on Clark Kent - not on anyone else.

Yes, exactly! Thanks for pointing that out. Suggesting Clark is a guy who would just use a woman as a warm body, especially a woman that he knows has feelings for him, is a huge insult to Clark. Not to the poor woman.

Also, on the Lana front, whether you ship Clois, or whether you ship Chlark, or Clex, or Cliver, or whatever...wasn't the general idea that Clark would have to move past his feelings for Lana first? That would be a requirement regardless, right? I don't think there can be any denying that Lana has come first here. She's the first love, undisputed. Whoever you ship, whoever you champion, they will be coming up after her. But that shouldn't make them unworthy, or a 2nd choice, or not a real, deep love for Clark.

I personally don't think Clark will just settle. I just don't think Clark is that shallow, or inconsiderate. I don't think he's a user. When Clark allows himself to love again, it will be just as real as what he had with Lana. JMO


Yes, my heart broke for Lois in this episode. My heart broke for Chloe all those years ago, and it broke for Lana when she caught Clark making out with that one chick in his loft.

Nicely said. And can I add that my heart broke for Clark when he realized Lana was with Jason, and later on when he saw Lana kissing Lex. It broke for Lex when he found out Lana was stalling his proposal, but would've said "yes" without hesitating to Clark (and yes, I know Lex was up to no good). IMO, I think I've been able to feel heartbroken for all the characters on SV at one point or another, though I'm most partial to Clark, and I haven't always liked all the characters.


I originally came here because when I first started to lurk it seemed that a lot of people reacted positively to Chloe, now it seems that if you love Lois then you must bash Chloe

I'll be honest with you Becc, I think its possible, even probable, that we're all most sensitive to slights against our favorite character. And we're probably more able to turn a blind eye to slights against characters we don't like as much. I'm primarily a Clark fan, and I think he gets a ridiculous amount of scorn heaped on him. But then again, I'm sensitive to that. Personally, I think I've seen far more Lois fans trying to be fair to Chloe then I've seen the reverse. Its actually what caused me to start speaking up more and more for Lois. My feelings for Lois, Chloe and Lana don't actually vary too drastically. Its all about Clark for me.

So, in my longwinded way, I'm just trying to say that it always seems worse (at least on K-Site), when your favorite character is the one being attacked.


And don't even get me started on the people who are shippers (Clark/____) who can't seem to help bashing Clark. He's the prize their favorite girl will get to win if they win the contest, but...they don't seem to like that prize very much.

Yes, and thank you!! Its actually why I'm so anti-ship. I sometimes get the feeling that Clark doesn't even exist as an individual character, with his own personality, wants, feelings outside of how he can best serve someones fav female. Really, if you loathe the guy so much, why the heck would you want him for "your girl", whoever she may be? If he sucks so much, then consider yourself lucky "your girl" doesn't end up stuck with him.

JMHO

[DestinyAw8s]

To be honest, from my experience, there is far more Lois bashing than Chloe bashing. That doesn't mean that it does not happen. Still, in this Bride forum alone I have seen Lois called a drunk who wanted to do it with a tuxedo. I've also seen her called shallow, mean, and weak. Outside of this Bride forum, there are entire threads devoted to bashing Lois or delegitimizing her character. Erica Durance is also repeatedly criticized for her physical appearance (i.e. plastic surgery). I have even been to other sites I will not name who refer to Lois as a boss***** or Erica as Boobstein. Cloisers are also belittled because they are perceived as mindless lemings who ship Clois because comic books say so regardless of the real development we believe we have seen on the show.

Obviously, I don't ascribe these opinions or statements to you. I also don't deny that there are times when Chloe is criticized. It just seems to me that Lois is more often than not the target of fan hatred.
I have to agree. The SVLois Lane negativity on this site, and others, is rampant. Sometimes when I enter a thread, which is almost always one about Lois or Clois, I feel like I've stumble upon a rabid pit of piranha. The vicious tearing and ripping noises just make me sick. Thank God for ignore! I have always LOVED Lois Lane, in every depiction. Comics, movies (with the exception of SR/KB left me cold) and tv, I have relished them all, but ED's Lois Lane is by far my favorite live-action portrayal. She just brings it. :) And nothing, I repeat, nothing will ever change that for me. The more they bash her, the more I love her. Only thing is, the more they bash Erica and Lois, the less I care about the character or characters they're trying to promote. I have been on this site for over a year, and I have yet to enter a Chloe or Lana thread. I find no interest there for me. And I would never bash them. I don't care enough to even bother. Nor will I waste my time trying to defend Erica Durance or her Lois Lane anymore, because I've come to realize that it's nothing more than some sad and twisted desperation that makes a few lash out so violently or sarcastically against her. It's their loss, not mine. I, myself, am content in the sure knowledge that Lois Lane is inextricably entwined in the legend of Clark Kent/Superman and that Erica Durance is cemented as Smallville's Lois Lane for all time.


Yes, and thank you!! Its actually why I'm so anti-ship. I sometimes get the feeling that Clark doesn't even exist as an individual character, with his own personality, wants, feelings outside of how he can best serve someones fav female. Really, if you loathe the guy so much, why the heck would you want him for "your girl", whoever she may be? If he sucks so much, then consider yourself lucky "your girl" doesn't end up stuck with him.


You know, I have attempted to rally around Clois at a couple of points, but I just wasn't feeling it back then. I haven't really liked Clark all that much in past seasons. He just seemed so indecisive and unsure about almost everything. And that's not a knock against Clark. It's just the way his growth has been depicted by the writers. I was never a big Superboy fan - no Lois Lane. :) But MAN, I think I'm falling in LOVE this year. His dynamic has changed so much for the better that I've decided to watch the next four episodes without Lois (something I have not done since she came on). I will miss Lois terribly, but Clark is impressing the hell outta me right now and I wanna see where they're taking him. I'm rooting for HIM now! I want him to sustain this momentum, not for Clois or Lois, but because I want to fall completely in love with Superman one more time. And yeah, the TW/ED chemistry has become almost palpable this season. So I'm on board for SV's version of the future Super Couple...as long as Lois doesn't get "crushed" again. Then I might get a little bit pi*sed.

[Becc]

I have to agree. The SVLois Lane negativity on this site, and others, is rampant. Sometimes when I enter a thread, which is almost always one about Lois or Clois, I feel like I've stumble upon a rabid pit of piranha. The vicious tearing and ripping noises just make me sick. Thank God for ignore! I have always LOVED Lois Lane, in every depiction. Comics, movies (with the exception of SR/KB left me cold) and tv, I have relished them all, but ED's Lois Lane is by far my favorite live-action portrayal. She just brings it. :) And nothing, I repeat, nothing will ever change that for me. The more they bash her, the more I love her. Only thing is, the more they bash Erica and Lois, the less I care about the character or characters they're trying to promote. I have been on this site for over a year, and I have yet to enter a Chloe or Lana thread. I find no interest there for me. And I would never bash them. I don't care enough to even bother. Nor will I waste my time trying to defend Erica Durance or her Lois Lane anymore, because I've come to realize that it's nothing more than some sad and twisted desperation that makes a few lash out so violently or sarcastically against her. It's their loss, not mine. I, myself, am content in the sure knowledge that Lois Lane is inextricably entwined in the legend of Clark Kent/Superman and that Erica Durance is cemented as Smallville's Lois Lane for all time.

I've found when going into some Lois threads or even Chloe threads that Chloe is routinely bashed. And that's not just what I've been complaining about. Like you when Chloe is bashed I also find that it makes me dislike the character they are trying to promote which from what I can see is usually Lois. When Lois first came onto SV one of the things I really liked was her relationship with her cousin Chloe. I don't know why the posters on this board can't see that in the show these 2 characters are like sisters and as fans of both characters or one or the other in particular we shouldn't be promoting this hatred.

[theartist27]

I've never really understood the need to bash characters you dislike. There are characters on Smallville that I don't necessarily love, but I don't spend all of my time going into threads devoted to said characters to bash them repeatedly. There would be less character bashing if people would spend their time and energy praising the characters they love, instead of bashing the characters they hate.

Now, back to the topic at hand, I felt sad for Lois in this episode, but I feel that in the end she will come out of this situation stronger then ever.:)

[Seeya'round Smallville]

I don't know how the "did you feel bad for Lois" thread turned into why everyone is bashed, but I'll give my 2 cents.

In regards to Lois vs. Chloe, the vitriol's source is that Chloe was on the show from S1 and some people thought she was Lois. When Erica got cast as Lois in S4, before she even stepped foot on the set, that made her public enemy #1 to that particular section of Chloe fans. She was never given a chance. They hate her or at least her character because her character's existence wrecked the idea they had. There's an entire forum that shall remain nameless that feeds on it and, here's the big problem, bashes ERICA. Not a fictional character, Erica Durance, the real person. Are there idiots out there that bash Allison? Sadly I'm sure there are. But I've never seen the classless stuff out there like all the libel that people spew about Erica at certain places, all over a fictional TV show and someone they don't even know. And if they did know her they'd be ashamed of themselves for saying such things about such a sweet person. The bottomline is actor bashing in any form is not OK and not cool, no matter who it is.

The reason why Lois fans harbor animosity towards them and sometimes a trickle-down to the character Chloe? Even now, their wish is for Lois to be killed off the show before it ends, and to give Lois's name to Chloe. That would be a slap in the face to Erica, would essentially render her contributions to the show null and void and she would lose her job. They can sugarcoat it anyway they want, but that would be the end result if they got what they wished for. While that obviously will never happen and is in addition prohibited by DC Comics and Warner Bros., the fact that some people not only want your favorite character to die but to also have all contributions of said character made unimportant and a joke...yeah, that doesn't sit too well with Lois fans and tends to cause resentment. I left this site for nearly 4 years because of it, and have only returned recently because it seems a much more even and fair place these days.

Me personally, no, I don't like Chloe. I did at times, and I am starting to again this season. But I have no need to bash her, or to go into Chloe threads and make snide remarks meant solely to incite a negative reaction. That kind of garbage regarding any character is annoying and immature. But fans that just love Chloe for herself and don't want her to be someone else? They are totally cool with me, and that sounds like where you are coming from, Becc. I too like it when ala S4 Lois & Chloe are close cousins who enjoy each other's company, and I really liked that in "Bride". I don't want any character to die or any actor to lose their job, I don't wanna spend my time bashing others, I just want to enjoy my favorite actress's portrayal. Those who feel the same way regardless of who their favorite is? They're cool in my book. :)

[Sweetie]

I was sad but,it wasn't that bad.The way CK looks at Lana without any passion in his eyes made me very happy and fir the first time ever he talked to her without any emotion in his voice.The way he looked at Lois while she was helping him with his cufflings and while they were dancing show that his feelings are awaking just as the ones he has for Lana are closing.

I want Clois to wait longer...the more they would wait the better it will be.Their "first real kiss got to be really special.By the way,if they have kissed,Lois would have be in the same situation than Jimmy right now may be even worst.Lois would have been more sure of herself in front of Lana if she would showed up 30 second later...The would admit their love to each other by that kiss.She would have stay and probably get killed in the process.

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

I felt sorry for her, but it wasn't that bad. I mean seriously, everyone knew Lana was gonna pop-in right before the kiss and later ruin Clois for a while.

[geminis]

I have to say I made the mistake quite some time ago of assuming in some threads that because I liked Clark and Chloe as friends that would allow me to be accepted, but boy was I wrong. There were vehement denials that it was the wrong place to be and to get out because it was all about the romantic 'ship. If there is a friendship thread then if I had more time I would be posting there happily because I love Chloe, up to and including "podChloe". Having her memories of Clark taken away has been disappointing and refreshing all at the same time. She keeps getting reinvented but throughout it all with the one constant that she has been, is, and will always be a true friend to Clark.

Regarding Clark: my heart broke for him, too. Lana dumped him by video and he didn't even get to talk to her face to face. Here he is, in this romantic situation with Lois and Lana walks back into his life without warning. I'm certainly disappointed that he didn't go through with the kiss, but I can't blame him. Lois understood too despite her disappointment, not hogging the spotlight and allowing them to confront each other.
Then, at the hospital, Clark was a friend to Lana, checking up on her and letting her know his plans about Chloe. With Lois, he was understanding and comforting. That wasn't the moment to discuss themselves, it was about Chloe and Jimmy. The emotions are still there, and both of them know it but neither are ready to acknowledge them, especially to each other.

Poor Jimmy also can't get a lot of respect, just like Lois, Clark and Chloe. I mean, there are people who are happy that he was hurt and wanted to see Jimmy Olson killed off. ! Why? Because he married Chloe. He also has been pro-Clois.

Lois wasn't happy about Chloe and Jimmy's relationship per se, and expressed it badly in front of a crowd of people, but she was never out to hurt him. She just wanted the best for both of them. With Clark and Lana, Lois was there when Clark saw Lana's video and she knows how deeply hurt Clark was. So I hurt for Lois when Lana came in, because it was upsetting for her personally and she also knows the effect on Clark and she hurts for him too, imho. Then, at the hospital, she sees Clark and Lana's little tete a tete and misunderstands his approach to Lana. More hurt for her on top of the abducted Chloe and badly injured Jimmy. How could anyone not feel something for her? Even if she is a fictional character and not a real person, those are genuine feelings.

[Clana4Life]

Certainly not 'cool' to feel that way. But shows a huge amount of self respect not to stick around and force Clark to make a decision. Any decision that Clark makes has to be Clark's alone, not anyone else's. That makes the woman he chooses to spend the rest of his life with in the end far from second choice. As it stands the decision whether or not to fight for the relationship he had with Lana was taken out of his hands with a DVD break-up. In the next four episodes he should be allowed to make his own choice - if he believes Lana is the one for him then this more mature Clark will fight for her. If he doesn't then he will have made a conscious decision.

I still find it amazing that anyone can laugh at someone else's pain. Clark never does. Maybe we all need to be more like Clark Kent...

Now. Who was it said that recently?

I think the more mature Clark would fight for her, but it's pretty hard to hang in there when the object of your desire keeps saying "no, no, no." There is also a problem of time. Lana is only around for four more episodes. But I agree, it would be great to see Clark make the decision. With 7 seasons of him constantly pursuing her, it almost seems implausible that he would suddenly give up now. He didn't even give up when she was married. But Closithelegendbegins, how much "choice" does Clark have if Lana says "no." The ultimate test of Clark making a decision would be if Lana said she wanted to try again and then Clark had to make the decision as to whether he does or doesn't. But to have the ball in Lana's court means that we'll never truly know what he would have decided on who he would have chosen. We only know that he "respects" her decision. After all, Lana said a lot of things about why the break up was good when she was in the barn loft - Clark said nothing. I don't know that he agrees with her. I enjoyed your post.

To the original question ---> I felt a bit sad for her for reasons I've said in prior posts, but I think she showed herself to be very strong when she walked away at the end and made sure someone would be there for Jimmy.

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Yes, exactly! Thanks for pointing that out. Suggesting Clark is a guy who would just use a woman as a warm body, especially a woman that he knows has feelings for him, is a huge insult to Clark. Not to the poor woman.

Also, on the Lana front, whether you ship Clois, or whether you ship Chlark, or Clex, or Cliver, or whatever...wasn't the general idea that Clark would have to move past his feelings for Lana first? That would be a requirement regardless, right? I don't think there can be any denying that Lana has come first here. She's the first love, undisputed. Whoever you ship, whoever you champion, they will be coming up after her. But that shouldn't make them unworthy, or a 2nd choice, or not a real, deep love for Clark.

I personally don't think Clark will just settle. I just don't think Clark is that shallow, or inconsiderate. I don't think he's a user. When Clark allows himself to love again, it will be just as real as what he had with Lana. JMO


JMHO


Yeah, a lot of people say that Lois is the TRUE love of Clark's life. I don't think so - at least I don't agree with the "true" part. It makes his other loves seem somehow inferior. I think people can have TWO great loves of their life - maybe more. Loving one doesn't have to diminish the love of the other.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

I know I think Chloe gets bashed on these forums much more than Lois does. Why does it always have to be one or the other. I mean Chloe is my favourite character but when reading all these threads everyone who seems to love Lois seems to hate Chloe and loves to point that out. Before coming here I liked Lois but after reading scores and scores of posts by Lois lovers that perpetuate this Chloe hate I find myself to be disliking EDLois.

Interesting that you think that. Because speaking as someone who hasn't been posting all that long on this site I have to say that's exactly how I feel in reverse.

But if there's one thing I've learned, it's that it's the same small group of people who perpetuate the same tired old arguments that will never change peoples minds. And every single time those little digs are made people get upset and come out to make comments in defense of the characters they love.

I know I'm walking a fine line even responding to this, cos I'm sure it's in the region of the K-Site rules about fan camping and shipper wars. But saying everyone who loves Lois automatically hates Chloe is COMPLETELY untrue. In just the same way as I've learned that everyone who loves Chloe does not automatically hate Lois. And SOME OF US have managed to 'cross the line' just fine and talk about the characters without pitting one against the other. For a while the Lois hate from certain Chloe fans did make me dislike Chloe more - and that's MY fault cos I let it happen. So I took a step back and enjoyed the show on my own for a couple of episodes the way I used to before I joined this board and started posting and I ignored some of the people I knew were just pure hate on here, and didn't let the hate get to me anymore. What STILL gets to me is that when I try to comment on things like Chloe's story arc or how well AM has acted in a particular episode I'm either ignored or considered sarcastic because it's obvious I'm a Lois fan. So before suggested that ALL LOIS FANS this and ALL CHLOE FANS that - maybe we should ALL take a good look at the comments and digs that are made before we start making sweeping comments.

The very fact that your comment ended with EDLois would at one time have put my back up for instance. Cos there IS a character on Smallville called Lois Lane and the actress Erica Durance has been hired by the show to play that part. No Smallville Lois fan EVER feel the need to call Chloe AMChloe in retaliation so for me calling Lois by her name outside of a Chlois debate thread or when commenting on varying incarnations of Lois Lane to differentiate EDLois from THLois or MKLois is simply affording Smallville's Lois the same level of respect Chloe and AM are given. Yet it's fine in a post to say what all Lois fans think while typing EDLois and showing a lack of disrespect at the same time?

See what I mean? It's a tit-for-tat thing. And that's what I'm really getting sick of frankly. Plus, as I've said, I'm fairly sure making a sweeping comment about one fan base is breaking a K-Site rule somewhere.

I respectfully disagree with what you've said. And suggest everyone who makes a comment like this take a good look around K-Site.

[davidbrenton]

I'm not gonna quote because I'm too lazy. But, Intuition says that people may root for EITHER Lois or Chloe with Clark, but like them both as characters. I think people often try to list things against another character to support their thesis that one character should be with Clark and not another.

But, they can still enjoy both characters.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Alas, I have to say that I've suffered from this as well. I really liked Chloe before I came on these forums, but after reading post after post from Chloe fans bashing Lois, etc., I'm just over Chloe's character. I used to be sad that she might not be seen in other media. Now I just don't care. At one time, I was deeply saddened by the thought she might die. Now, however...? I'd feel sad...for the other characters on the show and the pain they were going through. For myself, I'd probably not be able to muster up the will to care.

This is the first fandom I've ever actually gotten myself into in terms of talking with other fans, and I think I'll make it my last, as well. Of course, there have been people I've enjoyed talking to (on both sides of the debate). But in the end, I'm not sure it's worth it. :\

This just highlights my point.

Plus I feel the same about the bolded part. This was my first venture into fandom and it will be my last. I came to K-Site cos I love the show. Full stop. Since I started participating on here it hasn't increased my love for it, if anything it has taken some of my enjoyment AWAY from me. And I HATE THAT. Debate is one thing, discussion another, but the constant bickering is just too High School for me so the majority of the petty stuff I ignore the same way I would walk away from it in real life. But then I'm a 'life's too short' gal and I think it's a waste of time and energy getting upset about it anymore. I'll say how I feel and that's it. I won't argue when a post is obvious hate and a deliberate dig.

[kris10]

no sorry didnt break my heart-they were settin her up to take the fall. lois fans should be ticked the way they have written her as mooning over clark like that...That is not Lois Lane. i mean we could see snippets her and there but wow...i think that she taking Clark's place as the BDA moper...i think we will see an about face(no pun intended when she comes back and shell take him to task-i hope)
just to clarify this isnt character bashing its writer bashing and there is a difference
and sorry that has nothing to do with being a chloe fan either
besides doesnt she get her man in the end?

[cloisthelegendbegins]

See the thing I'm struggling with is that nothing will change how much I love Chloe's character and I find it really sad now that following my previous post the 2 following posters including yourself, mentioned that the Chloe bashing was so bad that you longer love the character. For me the reverse is happening and I'm beginning to hate Lois which is also really upsetting me. I have to say that I don't think it's fair for the majority of posters (from what I've seen) to behave this way.

The other fandom that I'm heavily involved in is Battlestar Galactica and I have to say that there I have never experienced anything like this. I originally came here because when I first started to lurk it seemed that a lot of people reacted positively to Chloe, now it seems that if you love Lois then you must bash Chloe :(

But that's the thing I don't even ship Chlark at all (anymore)- and while i've seen bashing for that ship it's nothing in comparison to the hatred that seems to pervade this place with Chloe- and it really only comes from those who love lois/clois. Chloe isn't a threat to that character or their ship so why the hate?

I think saying the 'majority of' is a little unfair to both Chloe and Lois fans. But yes, seeing your post after another similar post shows that this thing goes both ways. So if those of us caught in the middle could try and show a little more respect both ways it would help not only us but the K-Site moderators too imo.

See, I'm a BSG fan too and I have a friend who is a Mod there and a work colleague in real life and we spend LOADS of time talking about it on MSNMessenger but after my experience here I will NEVER join the online community no matter how much she tries to persuade me. Hell, we spent an afternoon in London a year ago tramping around Hammersmith talking pictures of her below signs for the Spollo cos she's such a Jamie Bamber fan :lol:

TBH I don't see the bashing MORE on one side or the other when it comes to 'shipping'. It's the same handful everytime. I'm just tired of it is all. And I'll say so whenever I see it now. Same for Lana fans who bash Chloe or more likely Lois. Or for anyone who constantly bashes Clark. I think we can discuss the characters in a thread set up to discuss that character WITHOUT having to compare them detrimentally to another character. And let's face facts - it's always a competition between the three girls, isn't it? Which makes everyone think it's about shipping.

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ETA: That should read Apollo - not Spollo. Stoopid editing key on my comp STILL not working :(

[DarkClone]

my heart was sort of broken . . . it was a very sad ending to the episode and the musical ending really drove it home . . . I don't think the writers did a bad job with Lois either, it's a wedding, and all women get sappy and romantic during weddings . . . go to one, you'll understand. and for lois, she's been falling for clark for a long time and this episode was written to show her finally letting her guard down.

when she returns she won't be sad and sappy about it, she'll probably be back to the same old lois, but they'll show hints here and there that those feelings are still there

[kris10]

my heart was sort of broken . . . it was a very sad ending to the episode and the musical ending really drove it home . . . I don't think the writers did a bad job with Lois either, it's a wedding, and all women get sappy and romantic during weddings . . . go to one, you'll understand. and for lois, she's been falling for clark for a long time and this episode was written to show her finally letting her guard down.

when she returns she won't be sad and sappy about it, she'll probably be back to the same old lois, but they'll show hints here and there that those feelings are still there

that's what i am looking forward to Lois coming back and no more sappy....that will be cool! although i dont think its good for that long of a break though...i thought it would be cool to see both lana and lois and to see lois reacte to that...i thought that would make good tv!:eek: not bein sarcastic either..

[SnowBird]

This just highlights my point.

Plus I feel the same about the bolded part. This was my first venture into fandom and it will be my last. I came to K-Site cos I love the show. Full stop. Since I started participating on here it hasn't increased my love for it, if anything it has taken some of my enjoyment AWAY from me. And I HATE THAT. Debate is one thing, discussion another, but the constant bickering is just too High School for me so the majority of the petty stuff I ignore the same way I would walk away from it in real life. But then I'm a 'life's too short' gal and I think it's a waste of time and energy getting upset about it anymore. I'll say how I feel and that's it. I won't argue when a post is obvious hate and a deliberate dig.

First of all I love Smallville. I enjoy watching all of the characters and I have favorites. I can't for the life of me understand why people have to bash a fictional character like they were real. I wonder sometimes if the storyline is close to something that has actually happened to a person that causes such a strong reaction. Could it be attributed to youth and the lack of actually experiencing life, love and disappointments. I am really baffled with the hate that is posted. With that said, I am constantly on the defensive and I have thought that I would stay away because it is hard to see your favorite character bashed constantly. I haven't come to that yet, but I can actually see it coming if things don't change. I have two months to let my blood pressure get back to normal and time will tell if I leave or stay after we have another episode to debate.

[DarkClone]

that's what i am looking forward to Lois coming back and no more sappy....that will be cool! although i dont think its good for that long of a break though...i thought it would be cool to see both lana and lois and to see lois reacte to that...i thought that would make good tv!:eek: not bein sarcastic either..


yeah, a couple good scenes between lana and lois about clark would be good, get some final resolution to 8 years of drama that should have ended a while ago