Lois & her cufflink innuendo

[xrayvision]

Man, could she have made it any more obvious? :)

[theotherJane]

Haha...I loved their facial expressions. One of the best parts of the episode.

[NteEl7]

"just make sure that this part is completely stiff and then it will slide right in"
aw man i was cracking up:lol:

[roccanater]

That was very funny.

[individuall]

Poor Lois..You could tell by the face she made afterwards she didn't mean it to come out that way...It was still funny though :D:lol:

[thehenry89]

aww the double entendre is killing me inside.

poor lois.

[LightSeeker]

I was like, "She did not just say that. Did she really say that?":eek:
That was hysterical.:rotfl:
Poor Lois. Clark's making her all flustered.
Haha their faces. That was priceless.:lol:

[pizzahead2490]

poor lois i thought after i laughed my azz off

[biggkoz]

Zing

[green_arrow_girl358]

honestly i wouldn't have gotten it if lois and her dirty mind hadn't paused


YES!!!! waited an hour and a half to get on the forums!!!! stupid 714 viewers!!!

[SUPERMANUSA]

too perverted if you ask me

[Yoyo]

I thought Lois said "Keep this part straight..." And as someone else said if she hadn't paused, I wouldn't have even noticed the comment. :)

The Clois scenes were adorable!

[Kalista]

She's so classy.

[unfocused]

It was too obvious! She must really be blinded by love to not have seen such a clumsy mistake before making it.

I'm still finding it hard (oh shutup!) that Smallville actually put that much sexual innuendo in a joke.

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"Make sure this part is sticking straight out, then you can just slide it right in."

[krpto]

Glad I'm not the only one to notice lois' pervert comments towards clark.

[Malicieux Toutou]

She didn't realize it was a salacious thing to say until after she said it. So how does that make her unclassy?

[Thil_EL]

I was doing something else during that scene but did she really say that?
Wow, what a hobag! They have to stop with these lame clois anvils innuendos, its really annoying and just wrong.

[SteveS]

Yep, it is lois' habit to speak without thought, but it did me a good chance to laugh at her.

[jqedward]

They are so cute together. It is obvious they love each other. What is hilarious is that they both know they have feelings for each other. It is just a question of when will they act on them. They kinda did in this episode.

[moviefan2k4]

This was probably the most improper one since Season 4, where Lois referenced Alicia over a microphone with, "First he married the girl, and now he's dating her?"

[zorasuperman]

YES!!!! waited an hour and a half to get on the forums!!!! stupid 714 viewers!!!

lol yes its a bitter sweet feeling

[BadToad]

I thought it was funny. It was obviously unintentional, and Erica and Tom made me chuckle with their reactions. Sometimes SV just needs to lighten up.

[smallvillerocks45]

What's so funny is that because Lois has a crush on Clark, she caught the double meaning! Clark had no idea what she was talking about... at least not until she walked away in embarrassment. What made it hilarious, for me, was the fact that it was an innocent statement to make - it shouldn't have been dirty, but clearly was. I guess now we know what Lois thinks when she sees Clark.

[colibri]

Man, could she have made it any more obvious? :)

I don't think she meant it to be obvious. That really is how you put on a cufflink. She was not saying it to be dirty. It was an accident, everyone makes them.

[Eeyore840]

I thought it was tacky. I know they end up together, and that's cool, but the whole scene was in poor taste, imo.

[SUPERMANUSA]

I was doing something else during that scene but did she really say that?
Wow, what a hobag! They have to stop with these lame clois anvils innuendos, its really annoying and just wrong.

:lol:

I understood that Lois had allot of "feelings" on her mind right before she helped Clark with the cuff links. She said what she did more with her "emotions", speaking before thinking. But it came across to me as more of a perverted line. Too raunchy.

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I don't think she meant it to be obvious. That really is how you put on a cufflink. She was not saying it to be dirty. It was an accident, everyone makes them.rrriiiiiiiiiiiiight, the writers didn't mean it. :lol: honestly

[pizzahead2490]

it was cute and funny scene. sad/funny at the end though

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oh and lois was not being preverted, that is how u put on a cufflink. she did not realize what she said until she said it. she aint say it on purpose. geez

[SteveS]

She's so classy.

lois have no classy, either in school or in her personal life. Stupidly speaking without thinking is the way that 'they' have written Smallville's version of a lois.

I give her 50 years to grow up.

Did you notice her heading to booze it up by swilling champagne when she suffered a little rejection? Crass. Girl needs to seek her with her alcohol crutch.:(

[Sv.LoisLane]

lois have no classy, either in school or in her personal life. Stupidly speaking without thinking is the way that 'they' have written Smallville's version of a lois.

I give her 50 years to grow up.

Did you notice her heading to booze it up by swilling champagne when she suffered a little rejection? Crass. Girl needs to seek her with her alcohol crutch.:(

Wow, I'm amazed at how everytime you post in a thread about Lois you actually don't add anything to the discussion. You just bash her :rolleyes:

That's very CLASSY of you.

[Liquid-Prince]

I chuckled.

[individuall]

OMG! It was a funny little innuendo remark..She didn't really understand how it until she said it..And all she was doing was explaining how to put on a cufflink...She was right BTW..
But Lois like me and most of my friends/family/acquaintances/people I meet on the street have this little habit of letting their minds wander to the gutter...
It was funny and she obviously was like 'Crap, that sounded bad' afterwards..

[colibri]

:lol:

I understood that Lois had allot of "feelings" on her mind right before she helped Clark with the cuff links. She said what she did more with her "emotions", speaking before thinking. But it came across to me as more of a perverted line. Too raunchy.

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rrriiiiiiiiiiiiight, the writers didn't mean it. :lol: honestly

I didn't say the writers, I said Lois. The scene was meant to be funny by the writer's, yes, but it is also obvious that it was an error on Lois' part and that she did not deliberately say that to be raunchy. The writer's know that people say things that can be misinterpreted and lead to embarrassment and that's what they used to add humor. We can relate to what happened to her.

[SUPERMANUSA]

I didn't say the writers, I said Lois. The scene was meant to be funny by the writer's, yes, but it is also obvious that it was an error on Lois' part and that she did not deliberately say that to be raunchy. The writer's know that people say things that can be misinterpreted and lead to embarrassment and that's what they used to add humor. We can relate to what happened to her.

I know, I was kidding.
My point being that the writers are too raunchy.
And the point about the bottle of booze, yea, a little too much.
Maybe one glass, but an entire bottle? Come on. Lois deserves better.

[kalel5313]

All I could say was "That's what she said." It just makes it even funnier that it was a woman who said it in the first place.

[SteveS]

Wow, I'm amazed at how everytime you post in a thread about Lois you actually don't add anything to the discussion. You just bash her :rolleyes:

That's very CLASSY of you.

Thanks, but I think you missed this post from the preceding page:
"Yep, it is lois' habit to speak without thought, but it did me a good chance to laugh at her."


I just love how the writers continue to characterize this version of a lois lane. ;)

[pizzahead2490]

Thanks, but I think you missed this post from the preceding page:
"Yep, it is lois' habit to speak without thought, but it did me a good chance to laugh at her."


I just love how the writers continue to characterize this version of a lois lane. ;)

is that good thing or bad thing cuz i cant tell from ur comment

[Spirit Detective]

I loved Lois' innuendo. Not to mention her "Marriage is the only battle where you get to sleep with the enemy" line.

[SUPERMANUSA]

Being a modern interpretation, I think it is a bad thing.

[xrayvision]

it was cute and funny scene. sad/funny at the end though

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oh and lois was not being preverted, that is how u put on a cufflink. she did not realize what she said until she said it. she aint say it on purpose. geez

I know she wasn't being perverted. But even though she didn't mean to say it, the innuendo was very obvious.

Stuff like that has happened to me, but never when talking with a girl. It always happened when I was BS'ing with buddies and used words that had more than 1 connotation. They never let me forget it.

[Kalista]

lois have no classy, either in school or in her personal life. Stupidly speaking without thinking is the way that 'they' have written Smallville's version of a lois.

I give her 50 years to grow up.

Did you notice her heading to booze it up by swilling champagne when she suffered a little rejection? Crass. Girl needs to seek her with her alcohol crutch.:(

Of course I noticed. LOL And straight from the bottLe no less. ROTFL

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I just love how the writers continue to characterize this version of a [... ]

Me too!:rotfl:

[mysticalweather]

She didn't realize it was a salacious thing to say until after she said it. So how does that make her unclassy?

Because Lois is wrong no matter what she does, haven't you heard? :rolleyes:

*is getting tired of the endless Lois hate*

[borednow]

Man, could she have made it any more obvious? :)

I'm pretty sure it was an accident describing interlocking parts has a tendency to go like that, the awkwardness was what made it "obvious"

[svtwamedfan05]

Man, could she have made it any more obvious? :)

LMAO well sometimes a girl has to be that obvious to get Clark's attention.

[SUPERMANUSA]

^ :lol:

It worked later on that night, they almost kissed. ;)

[Kalista]

That scene reminded me of her comment about activities with repetitive motion that end in a climax. Sexual innuendos are becoming are becoming commonplace in her conversations with Clark.

Why would someone need to describe any part of a cufflink as "stiff"? I don't recall any part of a cufflink being flaccid. LOL

[SUPERMANUSA]

^ Exactly. It was odd, too raunchy, perverted.

[Minela]

Haha...I loved their facial expressions. One of the best parts of the episode.

ITA :lol:

[pizzahead2490]

i hate the fact how people contnue to say mean things about lois!!! its just silly. i for one never siad a mean thing about chole and i dont really hear cloisers saying mean things about her, but some chlarkers just love bringing lois down!!!!

[SnowBird]

Lois was describing how to put a cufflink in the cuff. It wasn't until after she made the comment that she realized the dual meaning. You could tell by her face that she wished she hadn't said it. Clark just let it slide right on by like a gentleman. Lois is a lot of fun to watch. I think the writters are tame writing for Lois. Can you imagine what they could have her say after being raised on base with all the military around. Independent Lois is one of a kind and makes my day.

[razta]

this is just as bad as when Tess said to Clark "I had you on my TO-DO list!" :lol:

[svtwamedfan05]

i hate the fact how people contnue to say mean things about lois!!! its just silly. i for one never siad a mean thing about chole and i dont really hear cloisers saying mean things about her, but some chlarkers just love bringing lois down!!!!

I know. But I guess its just best to ignore them. That's the only way us Clois/Lois fans are going to enjoy this show

[faz]

So Lois sticks her foot in her mouth once in a while. And her mind's in the gutter, which can make for some awkward moments when you combine the two. Personally, I think it makes for good TV. Definitely one of the better scenes of the episode, especially after the awkward silence following her comment.

[xrayvision]

I like it too. I thought it was hilarious. If Clark said it though, she would have been all over him. That's just the nature of their relationship I guess. Clark is the gentleman and Lois is with the edgy personality. That's what makes them so great together.

[svtwamedfan05]

I like it too. I thought it was hilarious. If Clark said it though, she would have been all over him. That's just the nature of their relationship I guess. Clark is the gentleman and Lois is with the edgy personality. That's what makes them so great together.

Exactly. Well after all its worked for so long that way why mess with perfection

[supermanover21]

They don't typically have anything that blatant on this show. I was a bit surprised.


Not subtle. It was funny, though.

[Malicieux Toutou]

That scene reminded me of her comment about activities with repetitive motion that end in a climax. Sexual innuendos are becoming are becoming commonplace in her conversations with Clark.

Why would someone need to describe any part of a cufflink as "stiff"? I don't recall any part of a cufflink being flaccid. LOL

She said "make sure this part sticks up straight, and then it slides right in." Perhaps after these lines were filtered through your dirty mind, you started thinking about the word stiff. :)

[FlashInSV]

One of the best parts in this episode. I LOVED their faces when they realised what she had said.

[SUPERMANUSA]

She said "make sure this part sticks up straight, and then it slides right in." Perhaps after these lines were filtered through your dirty mind, you started thinking about the word stiff. :)The only issue I have with it is not what she said specifically, but what they wanted people to imagine after she said it. That was on a perverted level that shouldn't have been in there. RAUNCHY, very distasteful. Whoever wrote that line and whoever allowed it to stay in should watch my middle finger - "stick straight up"

[you_smell_terrific]

Total 'that's what she said' moment. I loved it!

[zHeN_zHeN]

Gosh, who hasn't stuck their foot in their mouth in front of someone they really liked? C'mon it's human nature for goodness sakes!

Anyway, I love cute, awkward Lois... she is just too adorable!

[Smallville Fan 187]

I noticed that it made me laugh...plus both Lois and Clark's facial expressions made me laugh

[27CDruid]

The only issue I have with it is not what she said specifically, but what they wanted people to imagine after she said it. That was on a perverted level that shouldn't have been in there. RAUNCHY, very distasteful. Whoever wrote that line and whoever allowed it to stay in should watch my middle finger - "stick straight up"

Raunchy would be if Lois walked in wearing something outta victoria catalogue. Perverted is if someone checks someone out or makes an innuendo on purpose. Yeesh its funny. Ive heard more perverted things coming out of the mouths of 5 year olds.

Besides, this is the internet. Arent we supposed to all be paedo rapists with no moral compass? :rotfl:

[bmwhype]

i think this was one of the few times i laughed out loud while watching smallville

[stenochick]

It was too obvious! She must really be blinded by love to not have seen such a clumsy mistake before making it.

I'm still finding it hard (oh shutup!) that Smallville actually put that much sexual innuendo in a joke.

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"Make sure this part is sticking straight out, then you can just slide it right in."

I watched that clip on youtube prior to the episode and watched the episode twice in a row, and this is the first time I am catching on that it was a double entendre.

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That scene reminded me of her comment about activities with repetitive motion that end in a climax. Sexual innuendos are becoming are becoming commonplace in her conversations with Clark.

Why would someone need to describe any part of a cufflink as "stiff"? I don't recall any part of a cufflink being flaccid. LOL

did she say stiff? I thought she said "straight."

[LoveHurts38]

I thought it was really funny.

[geminis]

Military brat, military mouth. Clark doesn't mind it. If anyone else were saying something like that, he might have been embarrassed but with Lois, he gets the innuendo and SHE's the one embarrassed. I'm pretty sure a lot of people with hidden romantic feelings for someone have had embarrassing foot in mouth experiences like that. The writers took a big risk with giving Lois a line like that, but I applaud them for their bravery. After all, Lois and Clark aren't children anymore; they will have a healthy adult relationship. The Puritans have done a lot of damage in the U.S. with all of their hang-ups. Good thing Lois is around for Clark, she respects healthy adult relationships.

[Kalista]

did she say stiff? I thought she said "straight."

I think it was straight. Straight? Stiff? There's not much difference.

[Tompouce]

I loved Lois' innuendo. Not to mention her "Marriage is the only battle where you get to sleep with the enemy" line.
Oh poor Lois, she is so spontaneous...you know I am like this in life and sometimes I can say to someone "oh you are so handsome today" just to be nice and because I really think it but when it happens it is after very embarrassing. For me it is just a compliment, for him it is euh...you know what I mean ? But I do it with women too, it is easier, that's all:lol:Just to say Lois says things without thinking, it is the way she is but I have to admit I have never said such things, ouf !!!:DBut when Lois did, I was :rotfl:

[Rafael122]

It also goes to show you Smallville serves yet another purpose. I now know how to put cufflinks on. Now, obviously I won't use her example, but I get the general idea now.

[theotherJane]

I think it was straight. Straight? Stiff? There's not much difference.

Is unbendable clean enough for you? :\

[Tompouce]

Military brat, military mouth. Clark doesn't mind it. If anyone else were saying something like that, he might have been embarrassed but with Lois, he gets the innuendo and SHE's the one embarrassed. I'm pretty sure a lot of people with hidden romantic feelings for someone have had embarrassing foot in mouth experiences like that. The writers took a big risk with giving Lois a line like that, but I applaud them for their bravery. After all, Lois and Clark aren't children anymore; they will have a healthy adult relationship. The Puritans have done a lot of damage in the U.S. with all of their hang-ups. Good thing Lois is around for Clark, she respects healthy adult relationships.
Exactly, they are adults now...I don't know for the U.S. but in my country, there is no problem with that even in SV, it is just a little unexpected because we are always thinking about us as they were still teenagers but it is not the case anymore so have fun lol !:p

[stenochick]

I think it was straight. Straight? Stiff? There's not much difference.

:lol:

Well, if I heard the word "stiff" come out of her mouth regarding a cufflink, my ears definitely would have caught the joke. :lol:

[alejandrita439]

theotherJane i love your avi :)

[geminis]

Exactly, they are adults now...I don't know for the U.S. but in my country, there is no problem with that even in SV, it is just a little unexpected because we are always thinking about us as they were still teenagers but it is not the case anymore so have fun lol !:p

Oh yes, it was definitely unexpected. But that is Lois Lane, she always surprises. And it is difficult to see children grow up, but Clark and Lois are not children now. Unintended words and feelings crop up when you least expect them but it is normal, human, and healthy to express them. Ridicule is unhealthy; Clark knew Lois didn't mean the double entendre and let it slide. Wish others had as much class as he does.

[Sweetie]

It was hilarious!!!Their facial expressions were priceless.She is the only one who could get away with it and that's why she's one of my favorites :lol:

[Becc]

i didn't like it- something about that scene didn't ring true for me. It felt as if the writers were trying too hard to be obvious. I did love the "marriage is the only war where you get to sleep with the enemy" line- that made me laugh and think classic Lois.

[eas]

I think it was straight. Straight? Stiff? There's not much difference.

LOL... since when did "stiff" become synonymous with "straight"??? One means "rigid and firm" and the other means "free from curves, bends, angles, or irregularities." They may not be mutually exclusive, but they are not interchangable.

She said, "this part sticks straight up and then you slide it right in..." & she was putting it on him while explaining it to him.

And you know what? She was right. That is the way you put on a cufflink.

It just also happens to be the way she'd describe another activity that they're going to be engaging in A LOT later on life, too. Therefore, funny and ironic and... AN ANVIL!!!

ROFL... personally, I thought it was a pretty funny moment in an otherwise dramatic episode. I don't think Clark had massive issues with the remark... clearly. Sexual tension sometimes comes with double meaning remarks... there's another show that uses this a lot. "Bones"... Both Brennan and Booth say these kinds of things all the time and then pause while the characters around them give them looks. It's used by writers to up the sexual tension with two characters who are love interests for each other.

Since Clark and Lois are set up as love interests for each other in S8, that's why we're getting those moments with them.

Of course, as a Clois shipper, I like it. As a Clark Kent fan, I find it funny, because I love his reactions. In this case, I found it notable that he didn't flush or look embarrassed... instead, he was kind of like, "Oh, um... tell me more." And Lois, who is usually not flustered by these things, actually looks like, "Oh no! Why'd I say that??" It was an interesting role reversal.

Classy or not is not something I can't really get into. I don't judge people by how classy they are... I always think that they can be decent human beings whether or not they are classy. For example, a person could be dating someone & they have lots and lots of loud sex even though their roommate is right there in the next room; maybe with whipped cream & handcuffs, etc.... now, are they classy? I wonder.... I, personally, don't think that having so much PDA that your roommate has to MOVE OUT is a classy move.

*shrug*

But to each their own, I guess.

[abbaspice1]

LOL... since when did "stiff" become synonymous with "straight"??? One means "rigid and firm" and the other means "free from curves, bends, angles, or irregularities." They may not be mutually exclusive, but they are not interchangable.

She said, "this part sticks straight up and then you slide it right in..." & she was putting it on him while explaining it to him.

And you know what? She was right. That is the way you put on a cufflink.

It just also happens to be the way she'd describe another activity that they're going to be engaging in A LOT later on life, too. Therefore, funny and ironic and... AN ANVIL!!!

ROFL... personally, I thought it was a pretty funny moment in an otherwise dramatic episode. I don't think Clark had massive issues with the remark... clearly. Sexual tension sometimes comes with double meaning remarks... there's another show that uses this a lot. "Bones"... Both Brennan and Booth say these kinds of things all the time and then pause while the characters around them give them looks. It's used by writers to up the sexual tension with two characters who are love interests for each other.

Since Clark and Lois are set up as love interests for each other in S8, that's why we're getting those moments with them.

Of course, as a Clois shipper, I like it. As a Clark Kent fan, I find it funny, because I love his reactions. In this case, I found it notable that he didn't flush or look embarrassed... instead, he was kind of like, "Oh, um... tell me more." And Lois, who is usually not flustered by these things, actually looks like, "Oh no! Why'd I say that??" It was an interesting role reversal.

Classy or not is not something I can't really get into. I don't judge people by how classy they are... I always think that they can be decent human beings whether or not they are classy. For example, a person could be dating someone & they have lots and lots of loud sex even though their roommate is right there in the next room; maybe with whipped cream & handcuffs, etc.... now, are they classy? I wonder.... I, personally, don't think that having so much PDA that your roommate has to MOVE OUT is a classy move.

*shrug*

But to each their own, I guess.

Perfectly said.

I couldn't say it any better.

I'm sick of people who obviously never used a cufflink acting like what Lois said was wrong.

I'm sick of people who can't get a quote straight (or maybe I should say 'stiff') and think that straight and stiff (the misquote) are the same thing.

They will ind ANY excuse to bash Lois, even if it is one they have o make up themselves.

What Lois said is ABSOLUTELY TRUE! To put on a cufflink, one has to make the part straight and it will slip on in!

If you don't know that, go out and buy a pair of cufflinks!

[gem65]

In all honesty, I didn't think of it as sexual induendo when I first saw the episode. Then I re-watched the episode. I could see how people can take it in that context.

[Iluvgreen]

It was really funny. Clark is really clueless.

[devilneedsaride]

Oh come on, I say worse things than that on accident on an almost daily basis. They're both adults, chill out.

Lois is awesome :rotfl:

[DontCha]

"you just have to make sure this part sticks up straight, then it slides right in"

LMAO

then only moments later she does it AGAIN infront of the camera man.

God she's so flustered.

the way she said the first one was not in a sexual way, it was accidental. And she realized what it sounded like and SO did he, the second she said it HIS mind went there too lmao. The reaction from her was the like that because she loves him and she just accidently implied sex, and Clark's reaction was like that because he has feelings for her and obviously finds her very attractive, for example staring at her hair and neck and face, llooking her fromt he bottom up, he wasnt shocked or embarrased, his mind went to a dirty place and he was comfortable with that, he LIKED it.
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I think it was straight. Straight? Stiff? There's not much difference.

stiff sounds much, MUCH worse than straight

Stiff would make Lois sound worse than she really is. So I can understand why that word was chosen by some over the ACTUAL word used: Straight.

[SUPERMANUSA]

Raunchy would be if Lois walked in wearing something outta victoria catalogue. Perverted is if someone checks someone out or makes an innuendo on purpose. Yeesh its funny. Ive heard more perverted things coming out of the mouths of 5 year olds.

Besides, this is the internet. Arent we supposed to all be paedo rapists with no moral compass? :rotfl:Those are your definitions of raunchy and perverted. I didn't find anything "funny" about it. You've heard more perverted things coming out of the mouths of 5 year olds? I think that's probably something you should keep to yourself, definitely not the norm in my area. Your last sentence, you are speaking for yourself, not me or others.

[LuckyLois]

Wow, Let it go. It was funny because it was an innocent play on words. If you were a child watching it would go right over your head, only most older viewers got it. Everything Lois says and does is always criticized on this board. Maybe we should put everything Chloe, Lana, Oliver, Clark, Tess, Jimmy, Lex, Lionel, Jonathan and Martha have ever said. How about Clark holding up Lana's thong in the barn, or her bra, that he said was magic and Martha said "I bet it was!" Then it was funny, but let Lois say the same think and she is tarred and feathered. Sorry for the rant it is just so frustrating to see the same people come on the Lois comments just to anger people!

[Jedimaster_TTBaby]

Wow, Let it go. It was funny because it was an innocent play on words. If you were a child watching it would go right over your head, only most older viewers got it. Everything Lois says and does is always criticized on this board. Maybe we should put everything Chloe, Lana, Oliver, Clark, Tess, Jimmy, Lex, Lionel, Jonathan and Martha have ever said. How about Clark holding up Lana's thong in the barn, or her bra, that he said was magic and Martha said "I bet it was!" Then it was funny, but let Lois say the same think and she is tarred and feathered. Sorry for the rant it is just so frustrating to see the same people come on the Lois comments just to anger people!

ITA! People just like to bash Lois for every little thing she does.

Personaly, I love it when Smallville pitches in those funny lines once and a while. That scene in "Spell" about "Magic" was freakin hilarious and so was this scene in "Bride" :rotfl:

People need to chill out a bit.

[SUPERMANUSA]

There's a difference between holding up underwear and the words spoken and making sexual comments to draw a picture like they did in Bride. Even if it was just a little, I found it tacky. It isn't about bashing Lois, but rather the poor taste of the writers.

[HeartChakraBabe]

I was LMAO at her accidental innuendo! :lol: It was hilarious!

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There's a difference between holding up underwear and the words spoken and making explicit sexual comments. It isn't about bashing Lois, but rather the poor taste of the writers.

:rolleyes: It was not 'explicit' per se. And even if it was, like someone else said, it was veiled enough that if there was a little kid watching it, it would have gone right over their head. It's only recognizable for what is to those who know.

[SUPERMANUSA]

That depends on your definition of "little kid".
There's enough trash on television today as it is.
No need to be associated with this show, especially these two characters.

[HeartChakraBabe]

That depends on your definition of "little kid".
There's enough trash on television today as it is.
No need to be associated with this show, especially these two characters.


Well, what's your definition of 'little kid'?

And with all the sex that's floating around on TV these days (in your words, trash), it's inevitable that it would be on SV. As the saying goes: sex sells. I don't always like it, either, and it often irritates me that it's all about the sex these days (I think it's unnecessary), but in this case I just thought it was funny as hell.

[eas]

That depends on your definition of "little kid".
There's enough trash on television today as it is.
No need to be associated with this show, especially these two characters.

Hhmm... are we watching the same show?

This is the same show that has people routinely roofied and essentially raped at least once a season. This is the same show that had Lana strip down to her undies in S1, after being hopped up on a drug. This is the same show that had a slow burn chemistry with an older man and an under-aged Lana. This show also had lesbian kisses between Lana and *insert FotW here* whenever they could. This show also says that it's perfectly OK to go around stealing things from ATMs... as long as you're Superman and you're guilty afterwards. It also says that murder is wrong - unless you have a billionaire cover up your tracks and then it's OK and there won't be consequences. Also, we're told - repeatedly - that school isn't important & you can get to the highest level in careers with no college education. That's not even including the concept of stealing billions of dollars from people, blowing up facilities, and super-heroes like Green Arrow killing people.

But... let's see... them showing a woman slip up and make a harmless remark about a cufflink that happens to be a sexual inneundo is morally wrong & makes this show "trash"??? Yeah, THAT'S the thing that pushes "SV" over the edge!

I just don't get it.

On another note, though... because of the reasons I listed above, my 7 year old son is not allowed to watch this show. Hasn't been allowed ever, actually. (I made an exception for "Krypto" because I previewed the episode beforehand and deemed it "clean enough" for a little kid to watch.)

This show comes on a network that makes no bones that it targets a teenage/18-30 demographic. Most people between the ages of 18-30 are having sex, themselves, so - no - I don't think that it was out of line or, in any way, poor form for the writers to put this moment in. "LnC: TNoS" used this kind of stuff all the time. Even "Justice League Unlimited" (a cartoon, for God's sake) used this kind of stuff all the time. It's very common in DC world & "SV" has no reason to be an exception. In fact, it would be odd for the show to be an exception, given that it appeals to a more mature audience & we're watching two characters on-screen who are destined to be lovers at some point.

[SUPERMANUSA]

Well, what's your definition of 'little kid'?

And with all the sex that's floating around on TV these days (in your words, trash), it's inevitable that it would be on SV. As the saying goes: sex sells. I don't always like it, either, and it often irritates me that it's all about the sex these days (I think it's unnecessary), but in this case I just thought it was funny as hell.You're entitled to your opinion, not saying your aren't. The show is PG-13 I believe. Does that mean it is okay to describe such actions (no matter how indirect) to a 13 or 14 year old? What is this? Sex ed for Smallville kiddies? Disturbing, distasteful, tacky, perverted and too raunchy for this show and these characters. My opinion.

[LuckyLois]

Well then all I have to say is EARTHQUAKE!

[SUPERMANUSA]

Hhmm... are we watching the same show?

This is the same show that has people routinely roofied and essentially raped at least once a season. This is the same show that had Lana strip down to her undies in S1, after being hopped up on a drug. This is the same show that had a slow burn chemistry with an older man and an under-aged Lana. This show also had lesbian kisses between Lana and *insert FotW here* whenever they could. This show also says that it's perfectly OK to go around stealing things from ATMs... as long as you're Superman and you're guilty afterwards. It also says that murder is wrong - unless you have a billionaire cover up your tracks and then it's OK and there won't be consequences. Also, we're told - repeatedly - that school isn't important & you can get to the highest level in careers with no college education. That's not even including the concept of stealing billions of dollars from people, blowing up facilities, and super-heroes like Green Arrow killing people.

But... let's see... them showing a woman slip up and make a harmless remark about a cufflink that happens to be a sexual inneundo is morally wrong & makes this show "trash"??? Yeah, THAT'S the thing that pushes "SV" over the edge!

I just don't get it.

On another note, though... because of the reasons I listed above, my 7 year old son is not allowed to watch this show. Hasn't been allowed ever, actually. (I made an exception for "Krypto" because I previewed the episode beforehand and deemed it "clean enough" for a little kid to watch.)

This show comes on a network that makes no bones that it targets a teenage/18-30 demographic. Most people between the ages of 18-30 are having sex, themselves, so - no - I don't think that it was out of line or, in any way, poor form for the writers to put this moment in. "LnC: TNoS" used this kind of stuff all the time. Even "Justice League Unlimited" (a cartoon, for God's sake) used this kind of stuff all the time. It's very common in DC world & "SV" has no reason to be an exception. In fact, it would be odd for the show to be an exception, given that it appeals to a more mature audience & we're watching two characters on-screen who are destined to be lovers at some point.

You are proving my point for me. I did not claim this show to be "all innocent", but rather the characters and backstory should be. All that you mention to be the fault of the writers inability to be creative and use their brains for intellectual witting. They can't so they resort to garbage witting. Just because everyone else does it, doesn't justify it as "ok" or "normal", nor "appropriate".

[eas]

You are proving my point for me.
I did not claim this show to be "all innocent", but rather the characters and backstory should be.

But they're not, though. The Superman movies had no qualms showing Clark/Lois in a sexual relationship. Same with "LnC: TNAoS". Same with the animated series, "JLU"... they had plenty of double-meaning words -- so much so that I couldn't let my son watch the series, even though it was a cartoon. And, then, there's the explicit nature of the relationship of Clark/Lois in the comics & how Lois is drawn in skimpy clothes and they show them coming in and out of bed, with sexy banter in their convos.

My whole point is two-fold: (1) This show is exactly how it should be, given the network and the target demographic and (2) The source material is not exactly "Rated G".

[ledzepfan23]

13 and 14 year old kids are hearing mush worse than Lois' innuendo at school. Trust me.

[eas]

You are proving my point for me. I did not claim this show to be "all innocent", but rather the characters and backstory should be. All that you mention to be the fault of the writers inability to be creative and use their brains for intellectual witting. They can't so they resort to garbage witting. Just because everyone else does it, doesn't justify it as "ok" or "normal", nor "appropriate".

My point wasn't that everyone else does it. My point was that this particular example doesn't even come close to being "trashy" or "inappropiate", given the target demographic and the source material that the show based on.

Those examples I gave you ARE bad writing. This one? Wasn't.

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13 and 14 year old kids are hearing mush worse than Lois' innuendo at school. Trust me.

Oh, yes, that is very true. In fact, they're doing much more than just hearing "double meaning" about sex... a ton of them are just flat out engaging in it.

[HeartChakraBabe]

You're entitled to your opinion, not saying your aren't. The show is PG-13 I believe. Does that mean it is okay to describe such actions (no matter how indirect) to a 13 or 14 year old? What is this? Sex ed for Smallville kiddies? Disturbing, distasteful, tacky, perverted and too raunchy for this show and these characters. My opinion.


The only way these 13- or 14-year-olds are going to be getting any sort of 'sex ed' from that line, is if they already know something about it. And they probably do, so it's nothing they haven't heard before. And it's nothing more raunchy than anything else sexual they've had on Smallville over the years. I mean, let's not forget "Heat" and "Nicodemus" and "Mortal" and "Rush". It's nothing we haven't seen or heard on SV before.

:lol: I see several others are saying basically the same thing.

[EricaIsGr8t]

Wow...ok, when Tess said her "TO DO list" comment to Clark on purpose I should add, we didn't hear anyone ragging on her but Lois says the cuff link line unintentionally ( it's not what she meant it to sound like when she said it hence the nervous look she gave Clark, who was clueless (bless him)). She gets called a "hobag" (and that is a direct quote). Does anyone else see the unfaireness here, I'm starting to think all Lois has to do is walk into and room and someone would find a reason to bash her, it's sad really...Lois suffers from foot in mouth disease regularly, and you know what, I still TOTALLY love her flaws and all!!!

[27CDruid]

Those are your definitions of raunchy and perverted. I didn't find anything "funny" about it. You've heard more perverted things coming out of the mouths of 5 year olds? I think that's probably something you should keep to yourself, definitely not the norm in my area. Your last sentence, you are speaking for yourself, not me or others.

I should keep that to myself? Why exactly? Im sorry i dont live in a sheltered area. Happy now? :P
My last sentence was a joke (mainly referring to the media's false protrayal of the internet). Lighten up sheesh! :D

[adznufc9]

Seriously people have to lighten up, it was a bit of light humor in a tense scene why make a big deal of it. Like people have said she told him how to put the cufflinks on and it came out sounding sexual. So what grow up.

[Bizarrolover]

I can't believe people are complaining about a sentence that wasn't delivered with any secondary meaning and that no kid would understand unless someone explains the sex reference, when, a few moments later, another character of the show grows horns out of his hands and kills a security guard so violently that blood was spattered all around.
<O:p
I would rather have a laugh at an innocent comment that may be interpretated as a sex reference than to explain my 14 year daughter why Davies Bloome is stabbing a needle in his arm. She was watching Prey with me the other day and when she saw Davies with the syringe, she thought he was doing drugs. I told her that he was only trying get a blood sample to compare it with the one under the nais of a cadaver at the morgue to check if he was the murder or not, and guess what, she was even more horrified. She never got the sex comment in Bride, she just thought Lois was nervous around Clark.

Lois didn't intend on making a dirty comment and apparently Clark didn't get the dirty meaning either. I'm sure that the kids watching the show never understood why Lois became all flustered. And, frankly speaking, just telling them that she's so in love with Clark that she blushes when he's near is a more than reasonable explanation. <O:p</O:p
<O:p
If I want to teach my children about morality, I would never use Smallville as an example. This is a show where sons throw their fathers out of the windows, where people are kidnapped and exploited and where laws are broken every day. Really, I prefer some cleavage over bloodshed.<O:p</O:p

[Mickey_Bickey]

I thought the comment was harmless. For crying out loud, these two are adults, and Lois didn't even know that it could be interpreted sexually until after she said it.

It's an innocent way to add to the sexual tension that's going on. Perverted? Absolutely not! Smallville is clean compared to some of the crap that's on TV today.

[skylar]

I thought the comment was harmless. For crying out loud, these two are adults, and Lois didn't even know that it could be interpreted sexually until after she said it.

It's an innocent way to add to the sexual tension that's going on. Perverted? Absolutely not! Smallville is clean compared to some of the crap that's on TV today.


:o:o:o:o

[thepende]

I thought the comment was harmless. For crying out loud, these two are adults, and Lois didn't even know that it could be interpreted sexually until after she said it.

It's an innocent way to add to the sexual tension that's going on. Perverted? Absolutely not! Smallville is clean compared to some of the crap that's on TV today.

I second that!

[SUPERMANUSA]

13 and 14 year old kids are hearing mush worse than Lois' innuendo at school. Trust me.Gee, that's comforting to hear. Even more comforting is how willing allot of posters are ready to suggest that it is hunky dory.

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I should keep that to myself? Why exactly? Im sorry i dont live in a sheltered area. Happy now? :P My last sentence was a joke (mainly referring to the media's false protrayal of the internet). Lighten up sheesh! :DHas nothing to do with living in a sheltered area. Happy now?, no need to try and please me, I'm just voicing my opinion over here. Lighten up? How bout you lighten down. Suggesting that 5 year olds say even worse things isn't something I'd consider justifying in any conversation. Crap like that should be recognized for what it is (disturbing) and people should voice concern over it, not try and use it as a talking point to try and justify crap media/poor writing. I'd find it very disturbing if I heard a five year old speaking in such a manner and I'd be very concerned in how that child was being raised or whom that child was being influenced by. Not something to laugh at or about.

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The only way these 13- or 14-year-olds are going to be getting any sort of 'sex ed' from that line, is if they already know something about it. And they probably do, so it's nothing they haven't heard before. And it's nothing more raunchy than anything else sexual they've had on Smallville over the years. I mean, let's not forget "Heat" and "Nicodemus" and "Mortal" and "Rush". It's nothing we haven't seen or heard on SV before.

:lol: I see several others are saying basically the same thing.And I've said you are proving my point, only with more tasteless examples.

[Pantalaimon]

I guess Lois did not just give a lesson on how cuff links work; she managed to give a flowers-and-bees tutorial at the same time. Two birds with one stone...
Efficiency - I like that.

[SUPERMANUSA]

:\

[Pantalaimon]

;)

[fuchsiaRose]

I was doing something else during that scene but did she really say that?
Wow, what a hobag! They have to stop with these lame clois anvils innuendos, its really annoying and just wrong.
First of all, "hobag" wth kind of word is that? :rolleyes:

And secondly, if Lois is that for making a little comment, then what the hell is Chloe who is engaged and about to get married and yet flirting and kissing another man? A double hobag? :lol:

Seriously. This is just silly. :rolleyes:

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If I want to teach my children about morality, I would never use Smallville as an example. This is a show where sons throw their fathers out of the windows, where people are kidnapped and exploited and where laws are broken every day. Really, I prefer some cleavage over bloodshed.<O:p</O:p
Oh but you see, when Lois says or does anything, it has to be wrong and brought to our attention because Lois is the spawn of satan and those around her are saints. :rolleyes:

But yeah, I'll take LOIS LANE saying a comment like that over CHLOE SULLIVAN being engaged and flirting/kissing another man ANY day. Now what morals is THAT teaching the children watching Smallville? I guess it's the same morals that were taught by Lana who stole millions of dollars and tortured a man.

Oh but wait, Lois saying a naughty comment is MUCH worse. :lol:

What was I thinking? Shame on me, shame....shame....:rolleyes:


Yeah, we've officially reached the bottom of the barrel if THIS is the only thing that can be used against Lois Lane right now.

[zHeN_zHeN]

I guess Lois did not just give a lesson on how cuff links work; she managed to give a flowers-and-bees tutorial at the same time. Two birds with one stone...
Efficiency - I like that.
:rotfl:

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

I guess Lois did not just give a lesson on how cuff links work; she managed to give a flowers-and-bees tutorial at the same time. Two birds with one stone...
Efficiency - I like that.


I could take this alot further, but i've been caught out like 9 times now for proffanity.

[27CDruid]

Has nothing to do with living in a sheltered area. Happy now?, no need to try and please me, I'm just voicing my opinion over here. Lighten up? How bout you lighten down. Suggesting that 5 year olds say even worse things isn't something I'd consider justifying in any conversation. Crap like that should be recognized for what it is (disturbing) and people should voice concern over it, not try and use it as a talking point to try and justify crap media/poor writing. I'd find it very disturbing if I heard a five year old speaking in such a manner and I'd be very concerned in how that child was being raised or whom that child was being influenced by. Not something to laugh at or about.


Your misunderstanding me. I made two different statements for two different things and youve clogged them together. The joke was the joke about the internet, not about the kids! You practically called me a paedo in reply but all i wanted was ya to see the funny side.
I dont really find 5 year olds swearing amusing. Quite the opposite. The last kid to do that got an atomic wedgie off a garden fence after he averted to me inserting blacksmiths tools into my rectum. :rotfl::rotfl:

[SUPERMANUSA]

Your misunderstanding me. I made two different statements for two different things and youve clogged them together. The joke was the joke about the internet, not about the kids! You practically called me a paedo in reply but all i wanted was ya to see the funny side. I dont really find 5 year olds swearing amusing. Quite the opposite. The last kid to do that got an atomic wedgie off a garden fence after he averted to me inserting blacksmiths tools into my rectum. :\I am not confusing the two statements.
I didn't practically call you anything. You have your own reasons for reading into it.
And I'd dare you to even try, though I'd never suggest such a thing to anyone.

[Jedimaster_TTBaby]

First of all, "hobag" wth kind of word is that? :rolleyes:

And secondly, if Lois is that for making a little comment, then what the hell is Chloe who is engaged and about to get married and yet flirting and kissing another man? A double hobag? :lol:

Seriously. This is just silly. :rolleyes:

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Oh but you see, when Lois says or does anything, it has to be wrong and brought to our attention because Lois is the spawn of satan and those around her are saints. :rolleyes:

But yeah, I'll take LOIS LANE saying a comment like that over CHLOE SULLIVAN being engaged and flirting/kissing another man ANY day. Now what morals is THAT teaching the children watching Smallville? I guess it's the same morals that were taught by Lana who stole millions of dollars and tortured a man.

Oh but wait, Lois saying a naughty comment is MUCH worse. :lol:

What was I thinking? Shame on me, shame....shame....:rolleyes:


Yeah, we've officially reached the bottom of the barrel if THIS is the only thing that can be used against Lois Lane right now.


:lol: :rotfl: , I agree...but I don't think this is the bottom of the barrel, I think the thread that reached the bottom of the barrel, was the one about "Why is it ok for Lois to be mean to Clark?":lol: That was just ridiculous!

[SUPERMANUSA]

Yeah, we've officially reached the bottom of the barrel if THIS is the only thing that can be used against Lois Lane right now.I don't think it is being used against the Lois Lane character. It is concern over what the writers write and how the characters themselves are written. My view points encompass all characters equally.

[petitemimi]

Disturbing, distasteful, tacky, perverted and too raunchy for this show and these characters.

In my opinion, that show is very conservative and tame, compared to other shows. Now, violence is off the charts sometimes, but hey, that's just swell, I guess? Lionel beat up a woman to death, Alicia is hung, Davis is shown covered in blood, that's all the kids need to see!

But Lois making an obscure innuendo, now woah! She's perverting America! And all the while, the porn industry is worth billions!

[Imzadi]

I'm sorry, but sometimes I'm very surprised, what is regarded as "perverted" on american televison. I really don't get it. Especially, when it wasn't even intended to have a double meaning from lois.

I remember a rather embarrasing situation with my boss. The moment the sentence left my mouth, I thought "****!!!!". You didn't just said that. It's hard to translate, so I won't. But it was something just like what Lois said. Even worse. Thank god, he didn't react and so did I.

[GrimmReeper]

I strongly don't believe there was a second meaning in the cuff scene in bride, but then again it could very well have been PS3's intention, but I really don't know I would have to go back and watch the episode again.

[27CDruid]

I am not confusing the two statements.
I didn't practically call you anything. You have your own reasons for reading into it.
And I'd dare you to even try, though I'd never suggest such a thing to anyone.

Me: Besides, this is the internet. Arent we supposed to all be paedo rapists with no moral compass?
You: Your last sentence, you are speaking for yourself, not me or others

Either way it doesnt matter. I disagree that Lois was immoral. You cant make an immoral statement by accident. Simple as.

[leanne xx]

i don't actually think that the phrase was that noticable as i only got it after the amount of times that i have seen the scene.
i have two brothers that are 11 and 13 and i don't think that they wud notice it or really care about that line as they have probs heard much worse things!!

[devilneedsaride]

I'm sorry, but sometimes I'm very surprised, what is regarded as "perverted" on american televison.

"Perverted" also seems like a weird term to use to me, even if you do think this situation was over the top. IDK about the rest of you all, but I associate perversion with something that is actually wrong, unnatural, and genuinely pretty messed up. It's not "perverted" for two people in their early 20s to be discussing sex. The comment could possibly be viewed as inappropriately sexual (which I personally think is a bit ridiculous) but calling it "perverted" makes no sense.

[abbaspice1]

"Perverted" also seems like a weird term to use to me, even if you do think this situation was over the top. IDK about the rest of you all, but I associate perversion with something that is actually wrong, unnatural, and genuinely pretty messed up. It's not "perverted" for two people in their early 20s to be discussing sex. The comment could possibly be viewed as inappropriately sexual (which I personally think is a bit ridiculous) but calling it "perverted" makes no sense.

Totally agree.

The TARGET audience is 18-39 year olds. Are children watching? Yes. But that is the PARENTS decision to let THEIR children watch a channel and/or show that is geared for 18-39 year olds. Why should the writers change it? It is the PARENTS' REPSONSIBILTY, not the writers, not the prodcers, not the actors, not the characters.... to know what they are allowing thier child to watch.

I'm sick of parents wanting everyone else to watch out for THEIR child. NEWSFLASH-- if you are NOT ready to to a parent FULL-TIME, don't become one.

My mom didn't allow us to watch whatever we wanted...we were allowed to watch PBS anytime during daylight hours. Primetime, we watched PBS together. When we did watch commercial TV, my mom made sure she was in the room with us. I was 13 when she allowed me to watch TV unsupervised. And I can tell you, if I had watched something that I knew she wouldn't approve of (and got caught), I knew I would lose my TV.

What the writers wrote was VERY appropriate for the target audience.

[Pantalaimon]

I could take this alot further, but i've been caught out like 9 times now for proffanity.

I think I was appropriately nonsensical. No need to get profane about it. ;)

[SUPERMANUSA]

"Perverted" also seems like a weird term to use to me, even if you do think this situation was over the top. IDK about the rest of you all, but I associate perversion with something that is actually wrong, unnatural, and genuinely pretty messed up. It's not "perverted" for two people in their early 20s to be discussing sex. The comment could possibly be viewed as inappropriately sexual (which I personally think is a bit ridiculous) but calling it "perverted" makes no sense.It makes sense in that it applies to what is shown/written on the show, and in context. What they had her say and imply was (in part):

Perverted:

kinky: (used of sexual behavior) showing or appealing to bizarre or deviant tastes
distorted: having an intended meaning altered or misrepresented
depraved: deviating from what is considered moral or right or proper or good

[abbaspice1]

It makes sense in that it applies to what is shown/written on the show, and in context. What they had her say and imply was (in part):

Perverted:
kinky: (used of sexual behavior) showing or appealing to bizarre or deviant tastes
distorted: having an intended meaning altered or misrepresented
depraved: deviating from what is considered moral or right or proper or good

BUT it is NOT perverted for he INTENDED targeted audience.

[TOMophilus]

It´s a pity that prudish people also lack any sense of humor. In my view Smallville should have less violence and more sex! :cool:

[SUPERMANUSA]

That's why Europe never created a superhero.

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BUT it is NOT perverted for he INTENDED targeted audience."INTENDED" is an implication

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

Watch Smallville and then watch Supernatural....

Supernatural is a lot less....holesome (I think that is the word I'm looking for). There is a difference between them. For Smallville to make a small indundo about sex is innocent in this episode. However, didnt the same Miss Lane make a joke about climax in a previous episode???

[SUPERMANUSA]

^ proving my point(s)

[abbaspice1]

That's why Europe never created a superhero.

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"INTENDED" is an implication

Well obviously you didn't read what I said above. so I'll post it again for you:


The TARGET audience is 18-39 year olds. Are children watching? Yes. But that is the PARENTS decision to let THEIR children watch a channel and/or show that is geared for 18-39 year olds. Why should the writers change it? It is the PARENTS' REPSONSIBILTY, not the writers, not the prodcers, not the actors, not the characters.... to know what they are allowing thier child to watch.

I'm sick of parents wanting everyone else to watch out for THEIR child. NEWSFLASH-- if you are NOT ready to to a parent FULL-TIME, don't become one.

My mom didn't allow us to watch whatever we wanted...we were allowed to watch PBS anytime during daylight hours. Primetime, we watched PBS together. When we did watch commercial TV, my mom made sure she was in the room with us. I was 13 when she allowed me to watch TV unsupervised. And I can tell you, if I had watched something that I knew she wouldn't approve of (and got caught), I knew I would lose my TV.

What the writers wrote was VERY appropriate for the target audience.So if YOU want a show about young 20-something year olds, intended for 18-39 year olds,on the CW, and they make some innuendos, don't act surprised, disgusted, etc. Know what you are watching beofore hand.

That is like me watching Sesame Street and being upset that they are talking about the alphabet.

BTW, Europe does have superheroes that were CREATED by Europeans. They were never released here in America.

[supes0]

I'm sick of parents wanting everyone else to watch out for THEIR child. NEWSFLASH-- if you are NOT ready to to a parent FULL-TIME, don't become one.


As a mom of children under the age of 13, I couldn't agree more.

My kids are not allowed to watch SV until I've watched the episode. Some I think are okay for my son to watch (my daughter is still too young), others I think are too mature.

I didn't take my son to see Dark Knight, though he wanted to go with me. I don't let them read my comic books unsupervised. I buy them all ages comics. In a few years, I think I'll let my son read Detective and Batman comics. I'm slowly introducing him to my Superman comics, but I read them first. Just as I do (watch, read, listen) with any media he consumes.

It's mine and my husband's call, what we choose to share with our kids. Nobody else's. And I don't expect the world to censor themselves to make our lives easier.

Raising kids is not easy, it is a lesson in personal responsibility.


Back on topic: the cufflink scene was far less risque than what they show on Daytime TV. Heck, even SV has had far more sexual scenes. For example: Clark and Alicia in Unsafe, Clark and Lana in many many scenes, Lana and Lex with Clark forced to watch, Lois and Clark in Crimson, etc...

[SUPERMANUSA]

Well obviously you didn't read what I said above. so I'll post it again for you:

The TARGET audience is 18-39 year olds. Are children watching? Yes. But that is the PARENTS decision to let THEIR children watch a channel and/or show that is geared for 18-39 year olds. Why should the writers change it? It is the PARENTS' REPSONSIBILTY, not the writers, not the prodcers, not the actors, not the characters.... to know what they are allowing thier child to watch.

I'm sick of parents wanting everyone else to watch out for THEIR child. NEWSFLASH-- if you are NOT ready to to a parent FULL-TIME, don't become one.

My mom didn't allow us to watch whatever we wanted...we were allowed to watch PBS anytime during daylight hours. Primetime, we watched PBS together. When we did watch commercial TV, my mom made sure she was in the room with us. I was 13 when she allowed me to watch TV unsupervised. And I can tell you, if I had watched something that I knew she wouldn't approve of (and got caught), I knew I would lose my TV.

What the writers wrote was VERY appropriate for the target audience.So if YOU want a show about young 20-something year olds, intended for 18-39 year olds,on the CW, and they make some innuendos, don't act surprised, disgusted, etc. Know what you are watching beofore hand.

That is like me watching Sesame Street and being upset that they are talking about the alphabet.I DID read what you wrote, which is why I said it is an IMPLICATION, you simply IMPLIED something not necessarily accurate. Not everyone thinks or understands like you. I can be disgusted if I want to, and so can many others! I don't think it has any place on this show, and it applies to all other instances mentioned by others as well. You can try and justify it all day long, it isn't going to change my mind or others because your examples or reasoning just doesn't cut the grade.

And people wonder why kids are getting screwed up now-a-days. Gee, we have many examples here. Today cuff links, tomorrow explicit depiction - those arguing innocents today will most likely find tomorrow's okay too. Can you see a backwards trend developing here? We are getting to a point where all shows exhibit some sort of perversion, and it isn't just the shows, it's commercials too. It's getting to a point to where it's almost impossible to ignore - which is not normal / moral. Unless people like myself stand up and voice concern, things will get overall worse. It is a civil duty to voice concern over things you find not right. Not something that people should brush off or simply "accept as normal", because those people are the ones fueling the fire, the fire a very very tiny amount of people create for the masses to see.

I'm not here to voice concern over all of television, like I've said, I don't think the back story and characters should be written or shown in this manner on television.

[supes0]

Today cuff links, tomorrow explicit depiction - those arguing innocents today will most likely find tomorrow's okay too. Can you see a backwards trend developing here?


But Smallville has had explicit depiction many many times. One of the worst, mho, being Clark in Lex's mind forced to watch Lana and Lex sharing an intimate moment. A very explicit intimate moment.

And we haven't even mentioned the violence in the show. There have been some very bloody moments that I don't want my kids watching.

Smallville is not a show for the young kids as the TV rating when the show begins indicates.

[abbaspice1]

As a mom of children under the age of 13, I couldn't agree more.

My kids are not allowed to watch SV until I've watched the episode. Some I think are okay for my son to watch (my daughter is still too young), others I think are too mature.

I didn't take my son to see Dark Knight, though he wanted to go with me. I don't let them read my comic books unsupervised. I buy them all ages comics. In a few years, I think I'll let my son read Detective and Batman comics. I'm slowly introducing him to my Superman comics, but I read them first. Just as I do (watch, read, listen) with any media he consumes.

It's mine and my husband's call, what we choose to share with our kids. Nobody else's. And I don't expect the world to censor themselves to make our lives easier.

Raising kids is not easy, it is a lesson in personal responsibility.


Back on topic: the cufflink scene was far less risque than what they show on Daytime TV. Heck, even SV has had far more sexual scenes. For example: Clark and Alicia in Unsafe, Clark and Lana in many many scenes, Lana and Lex with Clark forced to watch, Lois and Clark in Crimson, etc...

Thank you for being a parent! Too many breeders, not enough parents!

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I DID read what you wrote, which is why I said it is an IMPLICATION, you simply IMPLIED something not necessarily accurate. Not everyone thinks or understands like you. I can be disgusted if I want to, and so can many others! I don't think it has any place on this show, and it applies to all other instances mentioned by others as well. You can try and justify it all day long, it isn't going to change my mind or others because your examples or reasoning just doesn't cut the grade.

And people wonder why kids are getting screwed up now-a-days. Gee, we have many examples here. Today cuff links, tomorrow explicit depiction - those arguing innocents today will most likely find tomorrow's okay too. Can you see a backwards trend developing here?

AGAIN, know what you are allowing yourself and your children to watch BEFORE hand.

How long has the show been on? 8 seasons? If, after seasons 1-4, with all its various innuendos, season 8 should not surprise you or disgust you.

BTW, Europe did create some superheroes. FYI.

[SUPERMANUSA]

AGAIN, read what I've written. It applies to the WHOLE series. Stop trying to put words in my mouth to justify your own reasoning as to why you accept trash. BTW Europe didn't create superheroes. If I'm wrong, correct me by telling me. Mythological characters weren't considered superheroes in the same sense, so if that's what you're thinking, you're wrong. FYI

[abbaspice1]

CAPTAIN EURO! Europe's Superhero:

http://www.captaineuro.com/

Therefore I am NOT wrong, since I wasn't thinking about mythologies. I know the difference. FYI.

[SUPERMANUSA]

OMY, a superhero based upon a CURRENCY.
A way to brainwash kids into thinking the European Union is nifty. FYI
Now I've seen and heard it all.

[Sv.LoisLane]

OMY, a superhero based upon a CURRENCY.
A way to brainwash kids into thinking the European Union is nifty. FYI
Now I've seen and heard it all.

I don't see how he's based on a currency. Euro is the abbreviation for Europe, not the currency itself. And they named the hero "Euro" as a reference to the continent, of course, but also because Europa is a feminine noun. His female friend, in fact, is named Europa.

I also don't like your comment on the Union. There are users from all around the world on this site, so please, be respectful.

[abbaspice1]

It is a superhero.

Your quote:

That's why Europe never created a superhero.HE is a superhero. MAde is Europe. You may not like him, but he still counts as a superhero.

BTW, you little comment about Europe and superheroes sounded like a knock against Europe. As an American who understands and appreciates all facets of my country's history, I high a very high respect for Europe.

[supes0]

It is a superhero.

More on UK heros:

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/u/uk.htm

comic book:

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/e/earlyuk.htm

[abbaspice1]

More on UK heros:

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/u/uk.htm

comic book:

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/e/earlyuk.htm

And yet another link of TONS of comics made in Europe and their superheroes:

http://www.comicsuk.co.uk/Comics/ComicsWhole.htm

[Johnny_Luck]

[/B]I don't think it has any place on this show, and it applies to all other instances mentioned by others as well. You can try and justify it all day long, it isn't going to change my mind or others because your examples or reasoning just doesn't cut the grade.

So a non intended sexual joke has no place on a show where people who are in their 20's playing characters in their 20's are the main focus point. Sorry but 98 percent of normal, healthy 20 year olds make far more offensive and far more sexual jokes that aren't even of the subtle kind. In fact its normal for the average 20 something year old to be talking about sex with other people their age. Its not perverted at all.

I not here to change your mind, cause its clear it won't be changed. Just pointing out its a fact that those thoughts comments are not the cause of evil in america nore are they the cause of something unhealthy for people to hear. The fact you choose sex to attack over the violence which is way more common in this show just goes to prove the point that your not there to help society just there to b88tch about a topic you don't agree with. If you want to claim that sex in whats wrong with american influence on kids, then complain about toys nowdays, videogames, violence, books, comics, lack of parents actually you know raising and being responsible for their kids(akla you know the real problem today)

[Mickey_Bickey]

It´s a pity that prudish people also lack any sense of humor. In my view Smallville should have less violence and more sex! :cool:

I'm with you! Actually, get rid of the innuendo and just have Lois and Clark having mad, passionate sex that would put the Maxima scene to shame.

Isn't it ridiculous how crazy this forum is becoming? Smallville is a great show, and I think by just having this forum it shows how many fans it has.

I can't believe anyone could classify a show this good as "trash"!

If you don't like it, then simply don't watch it! There's tons of DVD's out there that you could pop in during this time slot!:rotfl:

[abbaspice1]

^^^

IT has to do with the puritanical thought that many of us Americans have been brainwashed with that states ANYTHING to do with sex is nasty, evil and sinful. It is really ashame because here in NC, students are only allowed to be taught abstinence, which they laugh and chuckle about. Their parents don't talk to them about sex, don't inform them about STD's, birth control, etc.

And with no information, and their raging hormones, they believe that their only option is to find out for themselves the truth by EXPERIMENTING.

When my students come and talk to me, I am SHOCKED by what they think they know about sex. I stopped trying to call these parents and tell them that they need to talk to their child becuase they get upset that their high school aged child needs someone to talk to, and they came to me. Or they want to bury their head in the sand and pretend that their child cannot possibly have questions of that sort. It is sickning.

[Malicieux Toutou]

It makes sense in that it applies to what is shown/written on the show, and in context. What they had her say and imply was (in part):

Perverted:

kinky: (used of sexual behavior) showing or appealing to bizarre or deviant tastes
distorted: having an intended meaning altered or misrepresented
depraved: deviating from what is considered moral or right or proper or good

I think salacious would be a better description of that line than perverted, but it's not important.

The innuendo would go right over the heads of innocent little kids. Only someone who is already sexual aware would be able to appreciate the double entendre. Smallville has always been a PG-13 kind of show and I think this line falls into that category.

But I can understand how a show like Smallville would be frustating to a parent trying to instill their children with traditional values. Most of the time the show promotes these values, but then it also sprinkles in a small amount of salaciousness. So 95% of the time it seems appropriate, and then the 5% when it's not is really offputting. Choose a side.. adult or kids.

My brother has this problem with sporting events on TV. The actual game is suitable for all ages of course, but the commercials sure aren't. He doesn't want his kids seeing commericals for horror movies or for suggardaddy.com.

[supes0]

^^^
Or they want to bury their head in the sand and pretend that their child cannot possibly have questions of that sort. It is sickning.

The problem is too many people do not understand being a parent means you are raising a person, not a baby.

An 8 year old doesn't understand the world the same way a 15 year old does. As they grow, so do we parents. And it's not easy. It's not easy to watch your child walk away from you, to see others influence them. But it's our goal, or least should be, to teach them to be independent. We need to teach our children critical thinking skills.

And this involves uncomfortable conversations. At all stages in life. Being a parent is a life time job. It does not end until the day the parent dies. I learned this from my dad, who died 4 years ago. I remember the day he stepped back from telling me what to do, even though he wanted to, I was 30, (I'm in my 40s now). He caught himself and said I wasn't a child, so he couldn't tell me what to do, but then added, "I wish you would listen to what I have to say.'

I did. I disagreed. But I listened. And in the end, that is what I hope with my kids. That we have mutual respect. That they know, regardless of whatever mistakes I make (and I make them and when I do, I apologize to them), my goal is for them to be responsible productive human beings.

How does this tie in to this topic? The cufflink conversation was very subtle for a young kid. No worse than Oswald the Octopus and the Big Banana episode for example. I was howling with laughter watching this, my kids (who have long since outgrown the show, but haven't hit their teens) still don't understand why I find it so amusing. :rotfl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc4PzBsZKw4

Davis dumping his fresh kill in the dumpster was far more disturbing, mho. And as I said before, Lex holding Clark's eyes open so he could watch Lex and Lana go at it wasn't something I want my kids seeing until they get a lot older.

In this day and age, having kids is a choice, and once made is a lifetime responsibility. We have to be vigilant, not depend on others to do so for us.

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

I want moaarrr sex innuendos!


Who agrees with me?




I feel that Lois has just done all young children a favor who watch Smallville, now they know how to put on cufflinks.


Remember kids, it needs to stick up straight to slide right in, otherwise you'll be fiddling with you cufflinks for ages.

[supes0]

So a non intended sexual joke has no place on a show where people who are in their 20's playing characters in their 20's are the main focus point.

;) People in their 30s playing characters in their 20s...

[THE"Lurker"]

Smallvillians our dedication is needed:cool:

Smallville needs our vote its been nominated for best drama of 2008 by EW:)

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=115897 (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115897)

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[rebecavaldez]

I loved that scene. CLOIS FOREVER!

[devilneedsaride]

It makes sense in that it applies to what is shown/written on the show, and in context. What they had her say and imply was (in part):

Perverted:
kinky: (used of sexual behavior) showing or appealing to bizarre or deviant tastes
distorted: having an intended meaning altered or misrepresented
depraved: deviating from what is considered moral or right or proper or good

:confused: I'm not sure what you're point is here. Lois's comment was in no way appealing to bizarre or deviant tastes. It looks like you're making my point for me but I doubt that was your intention.

[Odysseus]

It was just a joke...and a really funny one at that. I don't see why some people are making such a big deal out of this.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Smallvillians our dedication is needed:cool:

Smallville needs our vote its been nominated for best drama of 2008 by EW:)



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Just voted! Thanks for the link!;)

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;) People in their 30s playing characters in their 20s...

Not all the cast members are in their thirties as you can see by this link;

[mod edit]

Some are in their twenties!;)

[Johnny_Luck]

The innuendo would go right over the heads of innocent little kids. Only someone who is already sexual aware would be able to appreciate the double entendre. Smallville has always been a PG-13 kind of show and I think this line falls into that category.


This point which has been made many times over in this thread pretty much is the end of it. Unless the person knows about sex they would have been clueless, which means the responsibility of what the person watching knew is based on how responsible parents are, which means like always its up to the parents and not the media, the media is not the problem here.

[Pantalaimon]

Remember kids, it needs to stick up straight to slide right in, otherwise you'll be fiddling with you cufflinks for ages.

But really, there is no need to know about cuff links until your 18, so don't worry about that kids.

[supes0]

Not all the cast members are in their thirties as you can see by this link;


Some are in their twenties!;)
Sure, but the two people involved in the scene in question are in their thirties playing characters in their 20s.
;)

[27CDruid]

Oh BTW here are some irish superheroes. The show was a complete ripoff of the power rangers bug still kinda watchable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mystic_Knights_of_Tir_Na_Nog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mystic_Knights_of_Tir_Na_Nog)

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. :p

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Perverted:

kinky: (used of sexual behavior) showing or appealing to bizarre or deviant tastes

Dunno about you but what Lois's accidental comment suggested seemed to be just your average "rompy pompy". :rotfl: Gotta love weird phrases for things.

[Clois4eva89]

I didn't even catch that lois line when I saw the episode,or I forgot it it's been awhile.But I do recall when she was helping with the cufflink,I didn't laugh and I didn't think 'was she implying sex. There are far worse channels corrupting young minds,that have nothing to do with Smallville.If anything the kids who watch Smallville likely don't catch the implied sex stuff.

Heck when I watched Superman 2 in the 80's,I naturally though "were they taking a nap?".It wasn't until years later when I was a teenager,I realized they did the dirty deed.

[Pantalaimon]

Anyone here ever heard of Obelix?

[Vergon6]

I didn't even catch that lois line when I saw the episode,or I forgot it it's been awhile.But I do recall when she was helping with the cufflink,I didn't laugh and I didn't think 'was she implying sex. There are far worse channels corrupting young minds,that have nothing to do with Smallville.If anything the kids who watch Smallville likely don't catch the implied sex stuff.

Heck when I watched Superman 2 in the 80's,I naturally though "were they taking a nap?".It wasn't until years later when I was a teenager,I realized they did the dirty deed.
I know what you are saying. I remember watching the 'Wacking Day' episode of The Simpsons when it first aired and then watching it again years later. It was only then that I realized the truth depth of all the sexual innuendo in that episode. In fact, I would say The Simpsons is a lot more filled with sexual innuendo that Smallville ever has.

What Lois said was not implying anything kinky. You could tell by the embarrassed look on our face that she had inadvertently described how to put on cufflinks in a way that could be interpreted as sexual. It wasn't like she was suggesting to Clark that they could engage in some S&M or something lol (overtly or subtly).

[SUPERMANUSA]

Trying to suggest that it is me and not them or you is hilarious. You are displaying the exact thing I talked about earlier. Soon you will all be defending explicit sex acts on television too, because soon, with all your help, it too will be considered the norm. I'd bet 50% of you'd prob. cheer that here in this forum. Sad really.

Oh and "the media, the media is not the problem here" is about one of the funniest things I've ever heard. :rotfl:

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:confused: I'm not sure what you're point is here. Lois's comment was in no way appealing to bizarre or deviant tastes. It looks like you're making my point for me but I doubt that was your intention.Obviously I'm not, and obviously you have different interpretations.

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IIf you don't like it, then simply don't watch it!Actually, I decided that since I didn't like it, I'd TELL IT TO YOUR FACE.

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It is a superhero.

Your quote:
HE is a superhero. MAde is Europe. You may not like him, but he still counts as a superhero.

BTW, you little comment about Europe and superheroes sounded like a knock against Europe. As an American who understands and appreciates all facets of my country's history, I high a very high respect for Europe.Stick to the thread topic please. Thanks.

[Mars Investigations]

Honestly, SUPERMANUSA, I think you need to place things in perspective. One double entendre that people find funny and you're accusing those same people of supporting explicit sexual content on TV?

That's just ridiculous.

[abbaspice1]

Honestly, SUPERMANUSA, I think you need to place things in perspective. One double entendre that people find funny and you're accusing those same people of supporting explicit sexual content on TV?

That's just ridiculous.

IT really is. It is a form of extremism-- Jumping to the extreme conclusion because one doe not agree with you. It is a very bad form of debate and rhetoric. Like when folks wanted to question a move by the US President, and tons of people JUMPED to the conclusion that those people questioning were unpatriotic.


Stick to the thread topic please. Thanks.

YOU were the one who brought Europe dude, not me. YOU may the snide remark about The Union. Since YOU opened the can, I decided to look inside. Sorry if that bugged you.

[27CDruid]

Trying to suggest that it is me and not them or you is hilarious. You are displaying the exact thing I talked about earlier. Soon you will all be defending explicit sex acts on television too, because soon, with all your help, it too will be considered the norm. I'd bet 50% of you'd prob. cheer that here in this forum. Sad really.


Its you really mate. Even sexual jokes are fine by me and have been shown for years. Full blown acts shouldnt be shown on national tv.

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Stick to the thread topic please. Thanks.

You started it first ya silly billy!

[Mickey_Bickey]

SupermanUSA quote; Actually, I decided that since I didn't like it, I'd TELL IT TO YOUR FACE.

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What??? This doesn't even make sense!!:confused:

[Johnny_Luck]

Oh and "the media, the media is not the problem here" is about one of the funniest things I've ever heard. :rotfl:

You are so right I forgot that parents have no responsibility in life whatsoever and that it is solely the media that needs to do the things like protecting children from things they shouldn't watch or do.

Like its not like tv should be able to have a show on for late teen or adults. Everything on tv should be sugar and spice so that kids can watch it 24/7 and the parents cannot have anything for themselves to enjoy. You are so right ...my bad I thought that we had a right to stuff for ourselves as well.

[SUPERMANUSA]

IT really is. It is a form of extremism-- Jumping to the extreme conclusion because one doe not agree with you. It is a very bad form of debate and rhetoric. Like when folks wanted to question a move by the US President, and tons of people JUMPED to the conclusion that those people questioning were unpatriotic.Prime example (above) of defending irresponsibility. Obviously we aren't talking about the U.S. President, nor are we talking about patriotism. We are talking about judgment (right from wrong) and abbaspice1 decides to rebuttal with something that is irrelevant, just to try and side track the topic and make it appear as if what she/he says makes some sort of sense. Which it doesn't.
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You are so right I forgot that parents have no responsibility in life whatsoever and that it is solely the media that needs to do the things like protecting children from things they shouldn't watch or do.

Like its not like tv should be able to have a show on for late teen or adults. Everything on tv should be sugar and spice so that kids can watch it 24/7 and the parents cannot have anything for themselves to enjoy. You are so right ...my bad I thought that we had a right to stuff for ourselves as well.Ever hear of the phrase "give them an inch they'll take a mile"?
And you suggesting that parents are capable of doing everything (like magic) is so far fetched it's removed.

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What??? This doesn't even make sense!!:confused:
SupermanUSA: Actually, I decided that since I didn't like it, I'd TELL IT TO YOUR FACE.Sure it does. Where do you live Mickey? In the U.S.?

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YOU were the one who brought Europe dude, not me. YOU may the snide remark about The Union. Since YOU opened the can, I decided to look inside. Sorry if that bugged you.You may not realize it, but MANY people did NOT want the EU to be formed.
And it has been a disaster ever since.

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I don't see how he's based on a currency. Euro is the abbreviation for Europe, not the currency itself. And they named the hero "Euro" as a reference to the continent, of course, but also because Europa is a feminine noun. His female friend, in fact, is named Europa.I also don't like your comment on the Union. There are users from all around the world on this site, so please, be respectful.Signorina Gabriela, you are from Italia, no? It is called EURO. At the bottom of that page for the superhero, it said CURRENCY EXCHANGE CALCULATOR.


EURO
The euro is the common currency of the European Monetary Union (EMU). The national currencies of the participating countries were replaced with the euro coins and bills on January 1, 2002.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Born and bred here in the U.S.A., SupermanUSA!

Your comment still doesn't make sense to me, because as you know we're all behind computers here. No one is face to face, so that's why it doesn't make sense to me.:rolleyes:

[Sv.LoisLane]

You may not realize it, but MANY people did NOT want the EU to be formed. And it has been a disaster ever since.

Could you please be respectful for those who live in the Union and like it the way it is?


Signorina Gabriela, you are from Italia, no? It is called EURO. At the bottom of that page for the superhero, it said CURRENCY EXCHANGE CALCULATOR.
Euro The euro is the common currency of the European Monetary Union (EMU). The national currencies of the participating countries were replaced with euro coins and bills on January 1, 2002.

:lol: Sorry, I couldn't help. The little "signorina" at the beginning isn't working with me.
I know that Euro is a currency and where it is used and its history, I use it everyday afterall!
That superhero isn't based on the currency though. His name comes from Europa, which is a feminin noun like I said, therefore he's name was turned into a masculin noun, Euro. He's purpose is that of protecting Europe and carrying Europe's message and goodwill around the world. Just like Superman and his American way.
The currency converter is for those who want to know how much an Euro is worth I suppose.

This being said, could we get back on topic?

Lois's innuendo wasn't meant to be kinky nor to prevert the kids watching. In fact, a kid that doesn't know what she's talking about shouldn't even get it. If the kid gets the double meaning, it's not Lois' fault. She explained how to put a cufflink on, and guess what, that's exactly how you put one on. She didn't mean to play on the double meaning. And even if she did, she's an adult, Clark's an adult and this isn't the first time we hear something like this on the show. In fact, in S1 or S2 we saw a 15-year-old Lana kiss Matt Damon :lol:, strip in front of Clark, we saw Chloe licking a lolliepop, taking Clark's shirt off and making the "cunning linguist" comment. Ah, and she invited the same linguist to kiss her in a very nice place.
And we also saw Clark x-raying Lana and Chloe... and.. they were only 15 or 16 years old! I think I can forgive Lois' innuendo :rolleyes:

[abbaspice1]

Prime example above.

That is why I used that example.

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Ever hear of the phrase "give them an inch they'll take a mile"?
And you suggesting that parents are capable of doing everything (like magic) is so far fetched it's removed.Again with the extremism. No where in her statement did she suggest that parents are capable of doing everything. But they ARE capable of knowing what their child is watching on TV.



You may not realize it, but MANY people did NOT want the EU to be formed. And it has been a disaster ever since.You are right that there are folks who do not want the EU to be formed, but the second half of your statement is OPINION ONLY, not fact.

[SUPERMANUSA]

:lol: Sorry, I couldn't help. The little "signorina" at the beginning isn't working with me.What? Don't speak Italian? And it wasn't suppose to "work" one way or another.
It simply means "young lady" in Italian. You of all people should know that. ;)
The currency converter is for those who want to know how much an Euro is worth I suppose.Yea, I suppose. Having a currency converter on the main page is coincidence. :lol: :lol:

Lois's innuendo wasn't meant to be kinky nor to prevert the kids watching. In fact, a kid that doesn't know what she's talking about shouldn't even get it. If the kid gets the double meaning, it's not Lois' fault. She explained how to put a cufflink on, and guess what, that's exactly how you put one on. She didn't mean to play on the double meaning. And even if she did, she's an adult, Clark's an adult and this isn't the first time we hear something like this on the show. In fact, in S1 or S2 we saw a 15-year-old Lana kiss Matt Damon :lol:, strip in front of Clark, we saw Chloe licking a lolliepop, taking Clark's shirt off and making the "cunning linguist" comment. Ah, and she invited the same linguist to kiss her in a very nice place. And we also see Clark x-raying Lana and Chloe... and.. they were only 15 or 16 years old! I think I can forgive Lois' innuendo :rolleyes:My comments aren't just for the innuendo, but for the whole series.
The innuendo being the available here and now.
Born and bred here in the U.S.A., SupermanUSA! Your comment still doesn't make sense to me, because as you know we're all behind computers here. No one is face to face, so that's why it doesn't make sense to me.:rolleyes:I'll stray from my intended reply (why I asked your location), and answer your above reply instead.
You read my comments; they were/are in (front of) your face.
I said I decided to tell it to your face. I didn't say face to face.
And the other half of that, if I don't like something, I have the freedom of saying so!

[geminis]

Could you please be respectful for those who live in the Union and like it the way it is?



:lol: Sorry, I couldn't help. The little "signorina" at the beginning isn't working with me.
I know that Euro is a currency and where it is used and its history, I use it everyday afterall!
That superhero isn't based on the currency though. His name comes from Europa, which is a feminin noun like I said, therefore he's name was turned into a masculin noun, Euro. He's purpose is that of protecting Europe and carrying Europe's message and goodwill around the world. Just like Superman and his American way.
The currency converter is for those who want to know how much an Euro is worth I suppose.

This being said, could we get back on topic?

Lois's innuendo wasn't meant to be kinky nor to prevert the kids watching. In fact, a kid that doesn't know what she's talking about shouldn't even get it. If the kid gets the double meaning, it's not Lois' fault. She explained how to put a cufflink on, and guess what, that's exactly how you put one on. She didn't mean to play on the double meaning. And even if she did, she's an adult, Clark's an adult and this isn't the first time we hear something like this on the show. In fact, in S1 or S2 we saw a 15-year-old Lana kiss Matt Damon :lol:, strip in front of Clark, we saw Chloe licking a lolliepop, taking Clark's shirt off and making the "cunning linguist" comment. Ah, and she invited the same linguist to kiss her in a very nice place.
And we also see Clark x-raying Lana and Chloe... and.. they were only 15 or 16 years old! I think I can forgive Lois' innuendo :rolleyes:


I started to bold the good stuff in your post, and then realized that I was going to have to bold everything, Patricia. Well said.

And obviously people are in dire need of Euro's good will because there seems to be some venom directed the EU's way. Clark wouldn't tolerate it either. I'm not European, but have lived there and loved it; many days I wished I were from Europe instead of the U.S. because there has been a lot of hatred directed towards us here as well. We all need to take a breath and realize that despite the differences, we are all still human. We make mistakes but we share the same planet. Take a page from Clark's book. He, as an adult male, recognized Lois's unplanned reference but let it slide like a true gentleman. He, unlike some, knew that Lois didn't mean any harm.

[SUPERMANUSA]

I started to bold the good stuff in your post, and then realized that I was going to have to bold everything, Patricia. Well said.

And obviously people are in dire need of Euro's good will because there seems to be some venom directed the EU's way. Clark wouldn't tolerate it either. I'm not European, but have lived there and loved it; many days I wished I were from Europe instead of the U.S. because there has been a lot of hatred directed towards us here as well. We all need to take a breath and realize that despite the differences, we are all still human. We make mistakes but we share the same planet. Take a page from Clark's book. He, as an adult male, recognized Lois's unplanned reference but let it slide like a true gentleman. He, unlike some, knew that Lois didn't mean any harm.Back on topic please. I only meant to address the confusion. And you're free to move any time you please.

[Sv.LoisLane]

What? Don't speak Italian? And it wasn't suppose to "work" one way or another.
It simply means "young lady" in Italian. You of all people should know that.

I actually speak Italian and a few other languages :lol: The "isn't working with me" line wasn't referred to me not understanding it, but to me not being flattered.


;)Yea, I suppose. Having a currency converter on the main page is coincidence. :lol: :lol:

You can't judge and think to know all about CapitainEuro just by looking on that site. Just like one can't say he/she knows everything about Superman just by readin Action Comics n. 1. I happen to know about him and why he was created and it's not because of the currency.


My comments aren't just for the innuendo, but for the whole series.
The innuendo being the available here and now.

Well, this thread is about the innuendo and I was talking about the innuendo using references to other moments from SV too. We're staying on topic.

[SUPERMANUSA]

I don't see how he's based on a currency. Euro is the abbreviation for Europe, not the currency itself. And they named the hero "Euro" as a reference to the continent, of course, but also because Europa is a feminine noun. His female friend, in fact, is named Europa.Yea, I thought you said Euro was NOT the currency itself. :lol:


I know that Euro is a currency and where it is used and its history, I use it everyday afterall!Then you CHANGE your mind and decide that YES, it is the currency. :lol:


And around and round we go!

[Sv.LoisLane]

Yea, I thought you said Euro was NOT the currency itself. :lol:

Glad you realized your mistake. ;)

BTW, thanks Ann.

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Then you decide that you do know! :lol:

:rolleyes: Omg, can we end this already? Euro is A currency and also THE abbreviation for Europe. When you pass the customhouse to enter the Union from a state not being part of it or you exit the Union you see Europe written as "Euro" or "Eu".

[SUPERMANUSA]

YOU are the one that said it wasn't. :lol: You're not Italian are you?

[Sv.LoisLane]

YOU are the one that said it wasn't. :lol: You're not Italian are you?

*shakes head* Don't play mind games. I know exactly what I said and in what context. :)

And you're right, I'm not Italian but I speak Italian hence I live in Italy.

Back on topic, the show is meant for adults and teens under parental supervision, right? The writers can insert little 'hints' sometimes.

[TOMophilus]

Guys, there´s no point of getting into a debate with a self-righteous, right-wing, nationalist troll devoid of a minimal sense of humor... :rolleyes:

[Lexgirl33]

Stay on topic please!!

[LiLViLLiaN]

I thought the cufflink line was just hilarious! I could see steam coming off my television because of the sexual tension between Lois & Clark. Yikes! I loved it. :p

[SUPERMANUSA]

Guys, there´s no point of getting into a debate with a self-righteous, right-wing, nationalist troll devoid of a minimal sense of humor... :rolleyes:So please, everyone, do not address TOMophilus. Thanks.

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That is why I used that example.You missed my point. Your reply was a prime example of defending something irresponsibly.

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Oh BTW here are some irish superheroes. The show was a complete ripoff of the power rangers bug still kinda watchable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mystic_Knights_of_Tir_Na_Nog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mystic_Knights_of_Tir_Na_Nog)

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. :p:rotfl: Looks like a rip off of Dungeons & Dragons. :lol: :lol: :D

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IThere are far worse channels corrupting young minds,that have nothing to do with Smallville.If anything the kids who watch Smallville likely don't catch the implied sex stuff.

Heck when I watched Superman 2 in the 80's,I naturally though "were they taking a nap?".It wasn't until years later when I was a teenager,I realized they did the dirty deed.That's the point. There's so much crap going around it is starting to be considered the "norm". Gone unchecked or unquestioned, things are only going to get worse. There are many other instances with Smallville that are not subtle and are more direct than others. Notice how you mentioned the Superman movie, that was subtle, now consider today what is shown and expressed in movies. Things have changed an awful lot, and not for the better.

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

Dude seriously, this was a good thing. Young adults sometimes make sex innuendos, infact in real life this happens quite alot, so this was totally appropriate, this show isn't exactly aired at the middle of the day (it is sometimes aired in the middle of the day here in the UK, but you'know, the UK has a sense of humour) . I really dont see what you are complaining about.

[pizzahead2490]

i find what lois said not bad at all, it wasnt even rauncy the least to me. idk maybe its a New Yorker thing but i just dont see what lois said was bad at all.

[Malicieux Toutou]

That's the point. There's so much crap going around it is starting to be considered the "norm". Gone unchecked or unquestioned, things are only going to get worse. There are many other instances with Smallville that are not subtle and are more direct than others. Notice how you mentioned the Superman movie, that was subtle, now consider today what is shown and expressed in movies. Things have changed an awful lot, and not for the better.

So what exactly is your argument? I know you think the line was in poor taste, and that's fine because everyone is entitled to their opinion. But what do you think should be done about it? Should the CW be fined by the FCC? Or are you just venting?

[Vergon6]

I am really sick of the slippery slope argument. The innuendo in the past has been a lot more overt (the previously mentioned 'cunning linguist' comment). So you could say that the innuendo is becoming less blatant, and could be simply read at face value. I hope your not suggesting that a little sexual innuendo is going to lead to full frontal nudity on Network television.

[SUPERMANUSA]

So what exactly is your argument? I know you think the line was in poor taste, and that's fine because everyone is entitled to their opinion. But what do you think should be done about it? Should the CW be fined by the FCC? Or are you just venting?I'm not arguing specifically. What do I think should be done? I'm doing it. You're reading it.

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I hope your not suggesting that a little sexual innuendo is going to lead to full frontal nudity on Network television.A little? :lol: :confused:

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(it is sometimes aired in the middle of the day here in the UK, but you'know, the UK has a sense of humour) . I really dont see what you are complaining about.Why don't they smile? :lol: :D :D

[Johnny_Luck]

Ever hear of the phrase "give them an inch they'll take a mile"?
And you suggesting that parents are capable of doing everything (like magic) is so far fetched it's removed.


But they aren't taking a mile or even heading in that direction. In fact again the moral code you have ius beyond screwed up. If you were really worried about morals you be whining more about the violence then the sex as we don't really see that on tv, just hear it, while gore is on tv on a regular basis.

Not to mention none of us are saying that the parents are able to do everything, just that your idea of the media are the ones who are corrupting society by not being the monitors and value teachers of other parents children is beyond ridiculous. Your trying to blame the media for the problems caused by lack of actual parenting ability and values instilled by parents in today's society when it has nothing to do with the media itself.

GTA isn't the problem in society if parents are stupid enough to try and buy their 6 and 8 year old children a game rated for adults. Once parents quit blaming other people because they rather be busy with themselves rather than raising a family, then we can talk about other influences.

[SUPERMANUSA]

But they aren't taking a mile or even heading in that direction. In fact again the moral code you have ius beyond screwed up. If you were really worried about morals you be whining more about the violence then the sex as we don't really see that on tv, just hear it, while gore is on tv on a regular basis.

Not to mention none of us are saying that the parents are able to do everything, just that your idea of the media are the ones who are corrupting society by not being the monitors and value teachers of other parents children is beyond ridiculous. Your trying to blame the media for the problems caused by lack of actual parenting ability and values instilled by parents in today's society when it has nothing to do with the media itself.

GTA isn't the problem in society if parents are stupid enough to try and buy their 6 and 8 year old children a game rated for adults. Once parents quit blaming other people because they rather be busy with themselves rather than raising a family, then we can talk about other influences.Not taking a mile or heading in that direction? Have you LOOKED around lately? It is EVERYWHERE. And getting WORSE. That'd include the violence. There is a trend, and violence is not excluded. I haven't discussed it here because we are talking about the sentences they chose to use. I am blaming the media (by and large) AND viewers that accept it (LIKE YOU). Don't worry, I don't discriminate. :D If you have no problem with accepting and being forced trash only, then by all means, keep on voicing your acceptance now, and placing the blame on the parents (when in fact it is a TINY percentage of people producing it). I, on the other hand, am not like you.

[HeartChakraBabe]

I'm glad to see you are at least being consistent and getting heated over the violence, too. It has no less or more of a possibly negative effect on these 'little kids' than the sex.

Again, the comment was veiled enough that no 'little kid' is going to be harmed by it. And if the sex on TV bothers you, why are you watching? Because I can guarantee you're going to see more of it. Probably even more 'explicit' (as you consider it) than this accidental innuendo, on Lois's part. I'm not saying it's a good thing. Like I said earlier, I get irritated by it at times, too, and think it is overdone and often unnecessary. But I don't understand why you are blowing up about it at this particular comment.

[Clois4eva89]

That's the point. There's so much crap going around it is starting to be considered the "norm". Gone unchecked or unquestioned, things are only going to get worse. There are many other instances with Smallville that are not subtle and are more direct than others. Notice how you mentioned the Superman movie, that was subtle, now consider today what is shown and expressed in movies. Things have changed an awful lot, and not for the better.

I know what you mean an example would be in Season 4's Recruit.When Clark was alone with two college girls,I was surprised that having a scene.Of two women exposing their bras was allowed in the episode.And further more why anyone thought,it helped add anything to the plot.

It's obvious why it was there for a ratings booster,since Season 3 came close to being canceled. The powers that be decided they'd rather use sex sell methods to keep ratings up.Rather than tell the story of a teenage Clark Kent on his journey to become superman

This whole talk of Lois accidently implying sex with Clark I don't have an issue with.It's the visual out there moments that have my concerns.Because Smallville is suppost to be a family show,and thats where it should be.We don't need a soap opera where characters try to sleep with each other.

[Odysseus]

OK, you know what, this whole thing is getting out of hand. This is not the place for country/continent-bashing. So any political rants are just unnecessary.

Smallville is targeted towards adults and teenagers. Both are age groups that already are aware of what innuendos mean. If there are any little kids watching there's no way they'd be able to understand what the joke meant. Besides, after all the violence and graphic scenes that have been on the show, I think by now most parents would know to not to let small kids watch an episode till they've approved it first.

[SUPERMANUSA]

I'm glad to see you are at least being consistent and getting heated over the violence, too. It has no less or more of a possibly negative effect on these 'little kids' than the sex.Thanks.

Again, the comment was veiled enough that no 'little kid' is going to be harmed by it. And if the sex on TV bothers you, why are you watching? Because I can guarantee you're going to see more of it. Probably even more 'explicit' (as you consider it) than this accidental innuendo, on Lois's part. I'm not saying it's a good thing. Like I said earlier, I get irritated by it at times, too, and think it is overdone and often unnecessary. But I don't understand why you are blowing up about it at this particular comment.I watch it because I like the thought of Superman. I'm blowing up about it, as you say, because I can.
I'm voicing my opinion and we are having a discussion.

[Malicieux Toutou]

I'm not arguing specifically. What do I think should be done? I'm doing it. You're reading it.

I see. So you really don't have a solution to this problem that you perceive. You're just pissed off about it and pissed off that others aren't equally pissed off. How very constructive.

If you really feel so strongly about it, why don't you boycott Smallville and every other television program that has any sex and/or violence. If enough like-minded individuals do the same, then networks would feel compelled to create programming with less sex and violence. Unfortunately for you (and fortunately for the rest of us), only a small fraction of the American population shares your hypersensitivity to these issues, and so our entertainment choices are thankfully not restricted to Sesame Street and Disney movies.

One of the great things about America, and free markets in general, is that majority rules. If the tastes, standards, and morals of the majority in this country are unacceptable to you, then you might consider moving to a country like Saudi Arabia. "Perverted" and "raunchy" shows like Smallville aren't allowed, and so I'm sure you would love it there.

[SUPERMANUSA]

I see. So you really don't have a solution to this problem that you perceive. You're just pissed off about it and pissed off that others aren't equally pissed off. How very constructive.What do you think people do when they share their opinions? They collaborate. I never said I was "pissed off", unless you think being concerned is extreme. And YES, voicing opinion and talking IS CONSTRUCTIVE.

If you really feel so strongly about it, why don't you boycott Smallville and every other television program that has any sex and/or violence. If enough like-minded individuals do the same, then networks would feel compelled to create programming with less sex and violence. Unfortunately for you (and fortunately for the rest of us), only a small fraction of the American population shares your hypersensitivity to these issues, and so our entertainment choices are thankfully not restricted to Sesame Street and Disney movies.You obviously are blowing it out of proportion and don't seem to understand what intellectual writing entails. I guarantee you are wrong about your notion, thinking the population would prefer smut over smart/educational writing.

One of the great things about America, and free markets in general, is that majority rules. If the tastes, standards, and morals of the majority in this country are unacceptable to you, then you might consider moving to a country like Saudi Arabia. "Perverted" and "raunchy" shows like Smallville aren't allowed, and so I'm sure you would love it there.WRONG, that is not the case in this situation. The TINY percentage in hosebagwood are the ones creating and forcing this garbage onto us. They are not the majority. People like yourself don't think twice about it because you are bombarded by it day in and day out. Did you vote for Obama? Curious.

[27CDruid]

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:rotfl: Looks like a rip off of Dungeons & Dragons. :lol: :lol: :D



It really was lol.

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What do you think people do when they share their opinions? They collaborate. I never said I was "pissed off", unless you think being concerned is extreme. And YES, voicing opinion and talking IS CONSTRUCTIVE.
You obviously are blowing it out of proportion and don't seem to understand what intellectual writing entails. I guarantee you are wrong about your notion, thinking the population would prefer smut over smart/educational writing.


I wouldnt call SV smut even at its worst but things arent realistic without a few joke sexual references! I see more in any average conversation in real life.

[Malicieux Toutou]

You obviously are blowing it out of proportion and don't seem to understand what intellectual writing entails.
Just to clarify, is that what your posts in this thread have been; intellectual writing? If so, then please enlighten me. What does intellectual writing entail, and what do you hope to accomplish? I would think that if you felt so strongly, you would boycott the show and use your "intellectual writing" to persuade others to do the same.


WRONG, that is not the case in this situation. The TINY percentage in hosebagwood are the ones creating and forcing this garbage onto us. They are not the majority.

Who's "forcing" you to watch Smallville or any other TV program? If people stopped watching it, they'd stop making it.


Did you vote for Obama? Curious.
No, I didn't.

[SUPERMANUSA]

Just to clarify, is that what your posts in this thread have been; intellectual writing? If so, then please enlighten me. What does intellectual writing entail, and what do you hope to accomplish? I would think that if you felt so strongly, you would boycott the show and use your "intellectual writing" to persuade others to do the same. Who's "forcing" you to watch Smallville or any other TV program? If people stopped watching it, they'd stop making it.Is that all you have to ask or add? I've already explained it to you. Why do you think that the answer is to stop watching, and why do you suggest I am being "forced" to do anything? If you don't know what intellectual/educational writing is, maybe someone else can explain it to you.

I explain away your rhetoric and you come back with the above? Pointless.
It is go nowhere comments like yours that are non-constructive.

Maybe I don't want them to "stop" making the show, but rather, "improve" their methods. What's more powerful? People watching in numbers, asking for change, or nobody watching and having them move on to other things (similar). I'd think the first is better.

[geminis]

Back on topic please. I only meant to address the confusion. And you're free to move any time you please.

You have zero idea about my circumstances so please do not comment about me moving.

I was also inputting my right to express my opinion on, imho, a pretty great place. Lambasting is not nice. I wasn't the first person to go off topic, I just wanted to say, while I know nothing about European superheroes, we obviously need them.

Also, I thought I was being on topic, in particular the last line of my post. Clark is a gentleman. He recognized the unintended sexual reference that Lois said and let it slide. While people are free to vent, I was also expressing my opinion that things can get blown all out of proportion. While the writers may have deliberately written the dialogue (something it is possible to change by using the right to free speech), it was Lois (Ms. open mouth, insert foot) who was saying it, being human and saying something embarrassing in front of Clark, to whom she is secretly attracted. This is why she is not a tv reporter and why she needs an editor. Things like this happen all the time. Clark knows when to pick his battles; there is a time to get mad, a time to get embarrassed and a time to let things lie. He, a true blue American superhero, didn't get offended. Because he obviously knows that Lois' remark was unintended and not in any way, shape or form meant to be salacious, damaging or hurtful. Life is unexpected. Especially when it comes via Lois Lane. Again, I wish we had more people like Clark. AND Lois.

[SUPERMANUSA]

Sorry then, just that your comments about the U.S. seemed kind of snippy, so I pointed out that (this great country) grants you the freedom to move anytime. It would welcome the decision too I'm sure, if what I thought below is true.


many days I wished I were from Europe instead of the U.S. because there has been a lot of hatred directed towards us here as well.Sounded as if you were saying that you'd wish you could go to Europe where they send hatred towards the U.S. instead of the other way around. Perhaps I'm wrong, that just what is reads like.

[tibbit78]

This was a great Clois scene. I wish they had more Clois scenes on Smallville.

[Crouching Lurker]

^^^^^

I enjoyed the scene too, all of the Clois interaction, really. I'm sure we'll get more later in the season.

[Malicieux Toutou]

why do you suggest I am being "forced" to do anything?
I didn't. You did when you said, "The TINY percentage in hosebagwood are the ones creating and forcing this garbage onto us." I was merely pointing out how asinine this statement was.


Maybe I don't want them to "stop" making the show, but rather, "improve" their methods. What's more powerful? People watching in numbers, asking for change, or nobody watching and having them move on to other things (similar). I'd think the first is better.

Corporations care about the bottom line. If sex and violence increase ratings, then shows will be filled with sex and violence. If sex and violence decreased ratings, then shows would be void of sex and violence. You send mix messages when you speak out against a television show or movie, but then support it financially. Your money (or in the case of a TV show, your viewership) speaks louder than your words. If you just want to vent your frustrations, that's fine. But you are fooling yourself if you think idle complaining will actually make a difference. You have to back up your words with actions.

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

I'm not arguing specifically. What do I think should be done? I'm doing it. You're reading it.

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A little? :lol: :confused:

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Why don't they smile? :lol: :D :D



Because humour doesn't have to be spelled out for you, and it doesn't always make you laugh, sometimes it can make you laugh on the inside. :rolleyes:

[kryptonaidxh]

:D I loved the Clois scenes too, please writters bring more Clois episodes after 15th episode!!
WE WANT MORE CLOIS TOGETHER!!:D

[Mars Investigations]

SUPERMANUSA, that Jor-El/Laura "Relic" must have killed you!

Anyway, Lexgirl told us to get back on topic. So let's do that.

[Atomic girl]

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[geminis]

Sorry then, just that your comments about the U.S. seemed kind of snippy, so I pointed out that (this great country) grants you the freedom to move anytime. It would welcome the decision too I'm sure, if what I thought below is true.

Sounded as if you were saying that you'd wish you could go to Europe where they send hatred towards the U.S. instead of the other way around. Perhaps I'm wrong, that just what is reads like.

That I can understand. Apology gladly accepted. I don't like to see any country denigrated, whether it is in North America, South America, Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia or the Middle East. If I sounded snippy, I apologize. I tried and failed to say there is a lot of hatred directed towards the U.S. If only we truly had Superman, he knows that the whole world is worth saving. And we also need more, recognizable superheroes from other countries as well. I'm sure they would also have no problems defending the U.S. as well as their own countries from true evil.

Anyway, back to the topic. Lois didn't intend for her comment to come out the way it did. I liked it. It fit her character perfectly. It was like her "Sorry about your tankers" comment in Reunion. A faux pas. Clark noticed it, thought about it, but heroicly let it pass.

[27CDruid]

Sounded as if you were saying that you'd wish you could go to Europe where they send hatred towards the U.S. instead of the other way around.

I hope that isnt a snipe at European countries. Everyone isnt out after the US. :o