Clois Scenes in "Bride" Discussion (including almost kiss)

[krypt0man]

You do make a good point.While they have built Lois' affection for Clark slowly,Clark's desire to kiss her seemed to come out of nowhere...

Not disputing you - I agree with what ya said. But I must point this out - for most red-blooded males/aliens, the desire to kiss someone as pretty as she is doesn't need a whole ton of justification, nor would I consider it particularly abnormal.

[Becc]

Now don't get me wrong, I really liked the Clois scenes and I thought that the acting in them by both Tom and Erica was superb. Heck they even went into detail about how suddenly Lois's feelings for Clark are developing, which was also good. But I still feel that its moving too quickly to feel genuine. Especially from Clark's point of view. I mean up until Clois was dancing and almost kissed we really couldn't tell that Clark has any feelings for her. On numerous occasions we've been shown Lois moving towards Clark, but he's been mostly stationary. Anyone else with me on this?

I have to say that I definitely agree, the clois doesn't seem to be believable for me. The problem is the writers built up Clark's feelings for Lana so much that it does seem impossible that he will ever be over her, and essentially if he and Lois get together it's only because Lana broke up with him. I also wanted to state that I'm not a clana or clois shipper (in fact I don;t even ship chlark anymore) so I like to think that my opinion is reasonable and objective given by what I have to date seen on Smallville.

[Jade4813]

Oh, maaaaaaaaaaaaaan...the flashbacks to that drivel....I read a breakdown of that entire mess once, where the reviewer was talking about how they made Clark into just about the biggest jerk ever. I mean, it was mean of Lois to be pissed that he was macking on Lori! And then, when fans started saying he was a jerk, CA compensated by making Lois into a shrew because you can't have people calling Superman a jerk! And then...oh, it just got worse.

[yes2destiny]

I wonder if Lois will have her walls back up when she comes back. I can't wait to see Clark's face when he sees her again.

I loved your post. I think Lois' walls be up so high that Clark will have to learn to fly just to get through them...

[Jade4813]

I have to say that I definitely agree, the clois doesn't seem to be believable for me. The problem is the writers built up Clark's feelings for Lana so much that it does seem impossible that he will ever be over her, and essentially if he and Lois get together it's only because Lana broke up with him. I also wanted to state that I'm not a clana or clois shipper (in fact I don;t even ship chlark anymore) so I like to think that my opinion is reasonable and objective given by what I have to date seen on Smallville.

I can see people who see Clark's relationship with Lana this way. I think for those who believe that TPTB have presented Clark as a person who has truly loved Lana for years will probably see things this way. However, I think that those who don't think that Clana has been shown to be real and genuine love won't have a problem believing that Clark could and will fall in love with someone else.

I posted a whole long explanation on this in another thread not too long ago, so I won't bore you with it now. :lol: But I will say that as much as the writers have claimed that they were setting Clana up to be this destined and deep love, not everyone could see it. At the same time, they undermined their entire purpose in this regard. Episodes like "Blank" made Clana seem shallow. That Clark never called Lana on her flaws made it seem like he just didn't recognize them and that he simply loved an idealized picture in his head. And that Lana so easily deceived him in S7 reinforced this idea.

I think if you saw Clana as being a deep kind of love, then it would be hard to believe that Clark could move on. But for those who saw more infatuation and shallowness rather than a deep and abiding love in Clana will probably have a much easier time believing that Clark could fall in love with another woman - and that it will be different because this time it will be true love.

JMHO.

[DontCha]

how did his desire to kiss her come out of nowhere? He's known he has feelings for her since the ending of committed. Througout bride he showed clear cut desire towards her. You dont always have to say it, sometimes scenes with no words speak VOLUMES. Especially with Lois And Clark, who so often banter till no end, that the real root of what they're getting at is lost in translation.. in order to see whats really going on, just shut them both up and let their expressions towards eachother do the talking.

It astounds me how very overlooked that moment at the end of committed is. Clark kent, stunned absolutely sensless at his answer to the question "do I love Lois Lane"..the man cannot blink, or move, as his eyes widen and he watches Lois Lane walk away..he then gulps and does not even flinch as the elevator doors almost shut on his face.

The episode titles tend to have 2 meanings for both the A plot and B plot. thats it..he's commited to Lois and she to him there is no going back, that was the moment they are both realizing/understanding their feelings for one another. And there will be no going back on it..

by the time the entire series is out and we can watch it in its entierty, knowing the endiing that moment will no longer be overlooked, it will be reguarded as THE moment Clark Kent realized he had feelings for Lois Lane. promise you that.

[amberdawn]

Well, considering it's been pretty put on the backburner right now, I really don't think so.

[kookykrumbs]

No. Lois has been around since season 4. She lived with the Kents for like a year. She and Clark have been there for each other over the years. They have a solid foundation in friendship. They've also been working with each other every day at the Daily Planet. Hell Jack and Rose fell in love in like 3 days on the Titanic. There's really no set formula for falling in love.

[SVFan7337]

I agree with all those who have noted that Clark's feelings have been explored too, perhaps not as deeply as Lois' feelings, but I think the buildup to the kiss was believable. Plus, weddings make single people long for significant others and by definition are romantic events.

Furthermore, so what if it's a bit too fast? There's no guarantee of a Season 9, so I say go for it while you've got the time and the episodes to devote to it! The writers have to think that way at least a little bit. If this is the last season (heaven forbid), then a buildup to Clois is absolutely necessary, and with Erica gone for four episodes, I think the speed of Clois is exactly right with no guaranteed 9th season.

[Darth Pipes]

I don't think it's "too much, too fast" as much as I think it's too much pimping. Five characters this season have slobbered over the concept of Lois and Clark as a couple. Instead of letting this relationship progress naturally (which both actors are capable of doing), they seem content to ram the relationship down the viewers throats with constant winking and nodding. We know they're destined to be together. We don't have to be reminded fifty times an episode. It won't be long until Doomsday is pimping those two.

[shlyish]

Meh, what ev. doesnt mean much of anything to me.

[virginie]

its not fast and she's not gonna be in the nest 4 episodes so it has to be...i gonna miss CLOIS. Can't wait for episode 15!!!! February 12:D:D:D

[malcrew]

Not at all! In my opinion I really want more! Especially when I heard Lois will be out 4 episodes. Dam thats 4 weeks without Lois. The action in those 4 weeks better be good!
Legion of Super Heroes? I hope at least Kara will be there.

[Becc]

I can see people who see Clark's relationship with Lana this way. I think for those who believe that TPTB have presented Clark as a person who has truly loved Lana for years will probably see things this way. However, I think that those who don't think that Clana has been shown to be real and genuine love won't have a problem believing that Clark could and will fall in love with someone else.

I posted a whole long explanation on this in another thread not too long ago, so I won't bore you with it now. :lol: But I will say that as much as the writers have claimed that they were setting Clana up to be this destined and deep love, not everyone could see it. At the same time, they undermined their entire purpose in this regard. Episodes like "Blank" made Clana seem shallow. That Clark never called Lana on her flaws made it seem like he just didn't recognize them and that he simply loved an idealized picture in his head. And that Lana so easily deceived him in S7 reinforced this idea.

I think if you saw Clana as being a deep kind of love, then it would be hard to believe that Clark could move on. But for those who saw more infatuation and shallowness rather than a deep and abiding love in Clana will probably have a much easier time believing that Clark could fall in love with another woman - and that it will be different because this time it will be true love.

JMHO.

Thanks for sharing I found your opinion to be really interesting :) See I guess the problem I have is that first I never liked the clana relationship anyway and I did feel that Clark was blind to her faults- but even though I didn't like the relationship nor did I believe in it, that's not to say that it wasn't love (just severely blinding love) versus infatuation. The second problem I have is that Clark immediately fell back into old patterns once Lana returned. I can buy that Clark is attracted to Lois, hell he's also attracted to Chloe, but I don't believe that he loves Lois. And unfortuanately for me unless the writers don't stop ramming the clois innuendo down our throats and build up a gradual steady closeness between the two then I won't be buying the clois realationship anytime soon. The reappearnace of Lana for me simply justified why I wasn't buying the clois. I'd personally prefer to see Clark on his own for a while, focusing entirely on what his purpose is, rather being thrown yet into another relationship.

[Rafael122]

Nope, not too fast. When you sit down and think about it, they've been building it up ever since Season 4 and that scene where she saw Clark naked on a farm. From that moment on, each season has slowly build towards this. So no, I think at this stage, this is where their relationship should be.

[Alicia Chipy]

Well I hope they don't have Clark analysing his true feelings for all the women ih his life forever.We Earthlings supposedly have shorter life spans than Kryptonians,so don't have Clark wait for his SS check to buy Lois' her engagement ring.

[dalbajr]

again..too fast?

Nope, Im not sure if I was watching the same episode as you but the way it was left was clois can wait until clana is cleared up.

I agree, that is why I am hoping that 8-16 will be have some Valentine's Day theme.
And maybe he can get her walls down then. :)

[eas]

not to speak for Timester, but I believe he is talking about Chuck Austen the writer who was fired for making a mess out of Action 5+ years ago. He's the one responsible for Lana the homewrecker, unlikable Lois, unlikable Clark, OOC Superman.

YUK. He was fired.

Oh!! That's what he meant by "chuck"!!! I thought he meant the word "chuck"... as in, "to throw".

:rotfl:

Thank you for clarifying. Here I was speculating that Timester must have been dumped by a girl after he said "P&P sucks" and so he's still bitter at Jane Austen.

This is making much more sense!!! :lol:

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Oh, maaaaaaaaaaaaaan...the flashbacks to that drivel....I read a breakdown of that entire mess once, where the reviewer was talking about how they made Clark into just about the biggest jerk ever. I mean, it was mean of Lois to be pissed that he was macking on Lori! And then, when fans started saying he was a jerk, CA compensated by making Lois into a shrew because you can't have people calling Superman a jerk! And then...oh, it just got worse.

Sooo... I guess what we're saying is that if Clois has survived frog-eating clones and Chuck Austen then we're pretty much worried for nothing? I guess, after that, SVClois can survive a few episodes of confused Clark; Lana Lang; and no Lois. ;)

[Violet-Shadow]

I love the way... Lois and Clark had a lot of really charged moments with no dialog in this episode. It was SO POWERFUL to me. Lois and Clark have built up this natural comfort level with each other. Their nearness just seems so natural now. But back to the quiet electricity I actually felt it for the first time this season when Clark sees Lois at Black Creek in Odyssey! There was something NEW about that moment. So it's been building a while.

But in Bride... Clark has lost that fear of Lois. That... uneasy wariness that he used to have. Her prickly nature seems amusing to him... and dare I say endearing! So Lois has lost the power to deflect him! It's so much fun to watch. Because Clark has gained this lethal weapon I don't think he even knows he has! She snarks at him and he just gives her this patient smile! She tries to run away from the slow dance and he calmly and gently pulls her into the dance with a lift of his chin that silently says, "Dance with me Lois." Oh my face got so HOT! LOL!

The moment on the stairs, they just stared at each other. The way Clark took her in... gazing at her dress... OH! <3 I wanna watch the episode again. Their video message was so... It was a display of that yin yang quality that I love between Lois and Clark in all mediums. She just blurts out the wrong thing. Clark is nervous and wanting to perfectly express what he feels... it comes out rather stilted and wooden. Oh it's a wonderful dynamic and fun to finally see on Smallville in a harmonious context. Usually on Smallville you see this in a competitive way.

I had mixed feelings at first but... I think "Bride" was a clever way to show Lois' vulnerability. I think some SV viewers found it hard to see past Lois' prickles. And now with this episode you really get to see behind her armor. I think that was a factor in Lois and Clark the TV show. We always got to see Lois from a more vulnerable POV. So her prickles were nearly invisible.

I really thing that Clark is oblivious to how strong Lois' feelings are. He doesn't even know the power that he has with every little thing he does... that Lois' walls are down and every smile... every soft word... every touch... OH! <3

Clark just doesn't know. I think Lois is creeping up on him as far as love goes. He's happy to see her, he likes being around her, he's pleasant and cheerful caring for her at her worst ("Committed" drunken escapades). All this is new. And Clark being gentle and assertive with that dance and with his hug... oh... it was just beautiful. <3

I can't wait to see what comes next. I'm not angry with Clark or the show... I feel that the closure with Lana is necessary. I would rather that Lois and Clark not kiss again until Lana is totally out of the picture for Clark. I love what Erica Durance said about all this to TV Guide. And she said it in this really soft voice.

I wonder if Lois will have her walls back up when she comes back. I can't wait to see Clark's face when he sees her again. <3
:D

Why do I need to post how I feel when you described it so perfectly?:D I'm in accordance with you, ginnyfan, all the way.

I think that Lois will have those walls up when she gets back. Vulnerable Lois might be hiding for a bit...but she'll be back!

[LoisL]

Wow...finally got to watch the epi.

(be warned: this is a rant post)....

It's official. S8 is my worst Clois season ever on SV. Man oh man, I finally get why all the other older more experienced Cloiser SVfans used to say "hey it's a good thing our ship isn't full-blown. TPTB would just ruin it". I never agreed, in my naivete, and now I'm just burning with the reality of it.

The show never should have tried to go "full-blown" Clois. The characterizations were already there, the mythos was already hinted at; just provide a few cute moments and let it all happen sometime in the future where it can be done right.

Now, the romance is so unrecognizable as Clark Kent & Lois Lane or Superman/Lois. And I'm sick and tired of hearing "Lois&Clark" paired verbally. What is up with that???? Once, omg, great; twice, heh, kinda cute; thrice, okayyyy; fourth time, hello? wth?; fifth time, SHUT UP! (Maybe I'm counting wrong but it feels like 4+ times to me so far this season)

As annoying and desperate as Clana has gotten over the years, at least they never resorted to this bizarre keyword=true love showmanship. :( Then, when Lana said "Lana Lang and Clark Kent weren't meant to be" I gave up hope for these writers' ability to write realistic or subtle dialog. Please stop with the 3rdperson-ing and Googlekeyword search terms.

But the worst part is that they've turned Lois' love for Clark into this painful unrequited pining. Hello! I didn't ever like Chlark for a reason! And it wasn't just because I'm a fan of Superman/Lois' 70 years of mythos.

If it was Superman the evasive, golden superhero that she was pining over, I wouldn't have liked it all that much (since I prefer their bantering mythos) but fine at least it's iconic in its way thanks to the Silver Age and the movies.

But this is Clark Kent that she's pining over. He's supposed to be chasing her. Pining over her. Crazy about her. In Love With Her.

Would that be too much like Clana, on a show that's finally gotten rid of a mopey Clark after 7 years? Possibly. That's why my personal fixed, hopeful, SV dream scenario was that Clois would be setup as the perfect 3rd relationship because unlike both Clana and Chlark (where there's an unrequited stage) Lois and Clark could fall in love at the same time (and deny it). Nobody would mope or pine but there'd still be awkwardness, humor, and drama galore.

I won't say that the show hasn't been hinting that Lois will fall first for some time now. Dang, even back in "Exposed"'s ending I got an uneasy feeling that her fate was coming along faster than his. But all was well in S5-6 except for another bone-jarring Lois-likes-him-more-than-he-likes-her moment at the end of "Crimson". "Siren" and "Apocalypse" had Lois giving more than Clark in terms of emotion again. And now throughout S8 so far it's just been loads of Lois being overwhelmed with her feelings for Clark while he's still at the "attractive friend" stage.

After this horrible Clois episode in particular (where Clark displayed only physical attraction for Lois and friendly concern, while Lois was full-out desperately imploringly romantically in love) I really don't see how this relationship can escape being a Chlark repeat. Yeah, maybe it avoided being Clana deja vu, but playing it out as some fantasy replacement Chlark with a happy ending is every bit as "off" to me as the hypothesized Chlois scenario.

Can we just have Superman now?

[Jade4813]

Sooo... I guess what we're saying is that if Clois has survived frog-eating clones and Chuck Austen then we're pretty much worried for nothing? I guess, after that, SVClois can survive a few episodes of confused Clark; Lana Lang; and no Lois. ;)

It does tend to provide perspective. :lol:

[clarkbunny]

Wow they really ramped up the Clois this week. As sweet as the near kiss was and I loved the way Clark grabbed Lois' hand for a dance I just don't buy the way they were with each other this week. It was just too much and it seemed to come from no-where.

So far we are at Lois realising she has feelings for Clark and Clark hasn't realised he has feelings for Lois. The two always have really snarky banter, it just seems really OOC for Clark to stop Lois for a dance and then try to kiss her. For one he hates dancing and for two he doesn't realise he wants her yet. What the hell was that about???

If they had kissed it would have ruined their relationship to me, I mean where do they go from there. They can hardly both brush it under the carpet that they have feelings for one another when they kissed. But even the almost kiss is bad enough, awkward very awkward.

[zitro]

ive always thought that lois likes superman and not that into clark. only to know that superman is clark later on... But in smallville... she is already into clark ... hmmm ... interesting sequence.... I get impression the only reason why anything would happen btw them is becos they only hang out with just that "many" ppl . it does feel a little rushed between clark and lois... (reminds me of anakin and padme Episode 2)

[davidbrenton]

Yes, they need to focus on Clark's feelings next. This step has to be taken for it to work. The only reason we want them to kiss, at this point, would be for Erica. We need to know that Clark wants it to. And, there are hints at that. But, it needs to be known and rooted for by the audience from his perspective too.

I think PS3 are on this and it's all a part of the plan. They had to make sure the audience was behind Lois before making Clark want her. And now, they know for sure (HOPEFULLY) that the audience is behind her. So, we can commence with Clark.

[Clana4Life]

Well, at this point he has forgotten the almost kiss. Lana was the first catalyst for that and then Chloe's abduction pretty much pushed the "almost kiss" to the back burner. I doubt it will come up again this season. Too much other stuff going on, i.e., defeating Doomsday.

[May]

NOOOO... I think it´s taking forever.. and now in Bride they have to bring lana again.. to make everything more difficult between ck and lois.. and now we have to wait until what? ep 15? to see what happens... sniff

[davidbrenton]

Well, at this point he has forgotten the almost kiss. Lana was the first catalyst for that and then Chloe's abduction pretty much pushed the "almost kiss" to the back burner. I doubt it will come up again this season. Too much other stuff going on, i.e., defeating Doomsday.

Oh, I definitely think it will come up through Lana. I think PS3 purposefully (Beyond shock value) placed Lana there at that moment. She saw him and Lois being intimate (Or about to be) and her initial suspicions (Remember a season or two back, "That's how all the good ones start) were confirmed. I think she is being more selfless in her declaration "Lana Lang and Clark Kent are not destined to be together" She will point out their almost kiss and comment, in a favorable way, for the relationship.

Just a prediction. They staged the major characters (Lana and GA) in knowledgeable positions that will move Clark's side of L&C relationship further even with Lois' absence.

I am talking very optimistically here, but I have every reason to be optimistic given the first 10 awesome episodes they gave us.

[davidbrenton]

I think it may be perceived as rushed because they have not yet delved into clark's perspective on the relationship. Given the amount of Lois haters, they had to plan this to first allow the audience to embrace the L&C relationship.

1. They needed to have the audience back lois and make the audience want Clark to want her.
2. Now that most the audience is behind Lois, we can start Clark's point of view, and start rooting for him to go after Lois.
3. Once lois returns, we will be rooting for Clark and Lois as a couple, as opposed to individually in the relationship (But see a little more of Clark's perspective still).

The relationship will then feel entirely organic and ready, and that's when the REAL fun begins....I think.

[ginnyfan]

I agree that Clark hasn't realized his feelings for Lois but... it is a festive occasion and I guess Lois brings out a manly boldness in Clark. It makes sense to me that the best man might get swept up in the festivities and dance with the Maid of Honor.

It isn't necessarily romantic that he grabbed her hand and pulled her in to dance. It was maybe a little teasing and even Lois' facial expression at first was a hair away from rolling her eyes but... it became awkward and... they both felt... something that made them think about kissing. I didn't think it was out of character or too much too soon. I think it was why Lois didn't want to dance with him in the first place. She didn't know what would happen. And Clark, completely oblivious, runs right into the... awkward situation of being awfully close to Lois during a sexy slow song.

Lois and Clark may never TALK about the almost kiss... but it will be in the air between them. <3

ETA: It would be really cool if Lana brought it up. She did see Clois chemistry before anyone else in Smallville. But I'm not going to get my hopes up.

[clarkbunny]

Definitely too much too soon, believable for Lois but not for Clark. And even for Lois it's not really believable that she would hit on Clark, we weren't led to believe she was that bold yet.

It would havemade more sense for Lois to try to kiss Clark as her emerging feelings have been realised on screen much more so than Clark's feelings for her.

[clarkbunny]

the kiss definitely won't be forgotten, Clark never forgets these things. He always follows up, like he did with Chloe in season 6.

[HeartChakraBabe]

It was there... I was there...what more do you want?

[akaLane]

Gave it a four. The dance and the goodbye scene were romantic and very impactful, but I think having Lois stroke the tux went more than a little too far. :( And BadToad said it above... we need way more from Clark's side. I hope this shift in dynamic will be pursued in the next episode. Even if Lois isn't there, some references shouldn't be too difficult to work in.

[La Donna]

I think the poll numbers say it all.....

[Karafan1]

I give it a 4. I loved the Clois scenes. The cufflink scene was hilarious because of what Lois said but the 1 think that aggravated me was that Lois and Clark's kiss was interrupted. But I'm sure they're saving a big kiss between them for later in the season..

[zHeN_zHeN]

Loved CLois - 90% of my vote goes to Lois. She was cute, funny, awkward, lovestruck... she was absolutely amazing! :D

Clark, on the other hand, was a bit off but I suppose that was the point and I see that now... I swear, I almost threw the remote at the TV when he pulled away from the kiss and then later when he let Lois walk away at the end. :mad:

But, the dance was just... WoW! And, the way he looked at Lois as they were about to kiss... gawd, I was about ready to jump his bones! Heee... :o

All in all, probably the best CLois episode ever mainly because we got to see a different side of Lois that we so rarely get to see. :)

[Timester]

Jane Austen? The literary genius?

OK, Timester... what have you got against poor Jane Austen? I must hear the story behind this one....

No, Chuck Austen, the comic writer that wanted to break Lois & Clark, the one that wrote Lana as a homewrecker and Lois a total bi***.

[Hippolyta]

I agree that Clark hasn't realized his feelings for Lois but... it is a festive occasion and I guess Lois brings out a manly boldness in Clark. It makes sense to me that the best man might get swept up in the festivities and dance with the Maid of Honor.

It isn't necessarily romantic that he grabbed her hand and pulled her in to dance. It was maybe a little teasing and even Lois' facial expression at first was a hair away from rolling her eyes but... it became awkward and... they both felt... something that made them think about kissing. I didn't think it was out of character or too much too soon. I think it was why Lois didn't want to dance with him in the first place. She didn't know what would happen. And Clark, completely oblivious, runs right into the... awkward situation of being awfully close to Lois during a sexy slow song.

Lois and Clark may never TALK about the almost kiss... but it will be in the air between them. <3

ETA: It would be really cool if Lana brought it up. She did see Clois chemistry before anyone else in Smallville. But I'm not going to get my hopes up.

I totally agree! I don't think the dance/almost kiss was rushed on Clark's side. He has strong feelings for Lois but he's just finding it difficult to admit it or realise it. People who say we've seen no evidence of Clark's feelings for Lois I present:

Item 1: Instinct. Clark broke his 'love connection' to Maxima because Lois showed up. Maxima said that the only way he could've done that was if he had a strong connection to Lois. Maxima said there is a bond between them. Thanks to amalie for reminding me about this one!
Item 2: Committed. Clark definitely realised something at the end there when the elevator doors shut on him. And he was definitely quite happy when he thought that Lois had been telling the truth about being in love with him.
Item 3: Identity. It may just be my opinion but during the zipper scene Clark was uncomfortable and jealous, and maybe just felt attracted to Lois when zipping up her dress :p.
Item 4: Bloodline. Faora says he's got feelings for Lois. Lois and Clark in PZ obviously cared about each other a lot. "Nobody's going to mess with Lois and Clark."
Item 5: Bride. The Look, on the stairs. That it itself would've been enough for me to believe the dance/kiss.

I think PS3 have built up the Clois relationship beautifully. In that moment, on the dancefloor, it was mutual. Lois didn't throw herself at him, and he was a definite participant. But their relationship is different from Clana and from Chlark. Clark is mature, he is confident. There is no room for wimp-ass Clark here, and I doubt Lois would allow him to go wimp-ass, like he did quite often during the Clana years. When Clark is with Lois he's extremely Supermanly, and we've not seen that in any of his other relationships.

[devilneedsaride]

It's funny that she assumed that she drove to the Kent farm while under the influence in Committed.


Honestly, she probably didn't think about it. I can imagine she had a headache and probably wasn't thinking too clearly to begin with, and she's used to always having her car with her at the Kent farm, so she was like "I wanna leave, where's my car" and Clark was like "you were drunk, so I drove you." and she was like "Oh, right. Yeah. Cool."

I'm of course paraphrasing, but in that scene it struck me as her not thinking at all rather than her thinking about it and deciding that she probably drove drunk.



When she was in college, it was obviously a stupid college age challenge type thing. Okay. Less than desirable, unflattering, perhaps. But normal. Lois Lane doesn't back down, especially not from drunken jocks who probably challenged her.


Being a current college student myself, I can say that her level/type/whatever of drinking was not at ALL unusual. She wasn't drinking an unusual amount, she just got caught because it was tied to that whole paralytic meteor freak fiasco and the authorities had to get involved.

I agree with pretty much all the points you've made geminis.

[paolinki25]

They were nice, but the long, angsty looks were kinda boring... Didn't we get plenty of that with Clark/Lana, Clark/Chloe and Clark/Lex/Lana? and for that matter with the new Superman movie? :lol:

[6-Super-Man -5]

Some were at times kinda awkward but overall nice.

[amalie]

I totally agree! I don't think the dance/almost kiss was rushed on Clark's side. He has strong feelings for Lois but he's just finding it difficult to admit it or realise it. People who say we've seen no evidence of Clark's feelings for Lois I present:

Item 1: Committed. Clark definitely realised something at the end there when the elevator doors shut on him. And he was definitely quite happy when he thought that Lois had been telling the truth about being in love with him.
Item 2: Identity. It may just be my opinion but during the zipper scene Clark was uncomfortable and jealous, and maybe just felt attracted to Lois when zipping up her dress :p.
Item 3: Bloodline. Faora says he's got feelings for Lois. Lois and Clark in PZ obviously cared about each other a lot. "Nobody's going to mess with Lois and Clark."
Item 4: Bride. The Look, on the stairs. That it itself would've been enough for me to believe the dance/kiss.


Don't forget Instinct, Clark broke the 'connection' with Maxima because of Lois ;)

[Hippolyta]

Don't forget Instinct, Clark broke the 'connection' with Maxima because of Lois ;)

Thanks for reminding me! I've added it to my post :).

[LovelyLoisLane]

No, Chuck Austen, the comic writer that wanted to break Lois & Clark, the one that wrote Lana as a homewrecker and Lois a total bi***.

He was a jerk, and if he ever lurks around here, I'm sorry but Chuck, I don't like you. So there. :p

He wrote Lana to have this HUGE thing for Clark that even Lana's husband Pete sort of caught on to. Pete even apologised to Lois that Lana named Pete & Lana's son 'Clark' in case Lois might want to name her son that someday since she was married to Clark at that point.

Lana then proceded to devious tactics to get Clark away from Lois, but Clark didn't want her. My personal favorite [sarcasm] was when Lana put some sexy (or at least SHE thought they were sexy) underwear in Lois and Clark's bed so Lois would think Clark was cheating on her and would leave him. Which didn't happen.

Oh those were the days . . .

But I'm still pretty pleased with 'Bride' though as a hardcore Lois-fan I would've liked to see her not be QUITE so obviously smitten, but I think that got fixed this episode and I fully expect her to be back to tough-as-nails self by her return.

[lifelovedestiny]

LOVED IT!!! LOVED IT!!! LOVED IT!!!
what more can I say??

[harryandginnyfanatic]

He was a jerk, and if he ever lurks around here, I'm sorry but Chuck, I don't like you. So there. :p

He wrote Lana to have this HUGE thing for Clark that even Lana's husband Pete sort of caught on to. Pete even apologised to Lois that Lana named Pete & Lana's son 'Clark' in case Lois might want to name her son that someday since she was married to Clark at that point.

Lana then proceded to devious tactics to get Clark away from Lois, but Clark didn't want her. My personal favorite [sarcasm] was when Lana put some sexy (or at least SHE thought they were sexy) underwear in Lois and Clark's bed so Lois would think Clark was cheating on her and would leave him. Which didn't happen.

Oh those were the days . . .

Good thing Pete got his son away from that crazy woman.

[LovelyLoisLane]

Good thing Pete got his son away from that crazy woman.


Did he? Good for him. I know they got a divorce and Lana finally made some amends and become not such an evil person. I stopped reading the comics for awhile around the last stretch of Austen's writing because I was so disgusted. I remember he even wrote MARTHA chastising Lois for not doing enough for Clark! After everything the both of them went through for Clark that was unbelievable.

SV Lana has nothing on Austen's Lana in so far as being disliked a lot. SV Lana has some redeemable traits, Austen's Lana did not have any. You are right, she was crazy woman.

Going back to the topic, I feel like I might be in minority to not be disappointed by this episode at all, except maybe in having Doomsday, the second to biggest (sorry, but Darkseid makes the top of the list for me, being that he wasn't just brawn.) bad@ss in the Supes mythos having a scene where he called Chloe's name and carried her away pretty gently. Though I think Dooms was doing it to bring Brainiac back, but who knows.

But even that didn't disappoint me THAT much. The Clois I thought was nice. I've been watching the show with both eyes open and I know it isn't anything close to a lightswitch. Especially coming from a movie Friday night involving teens and vampires where the two leads 'fell in love' pretty fast for the movie's pace. Clois has been having little moments since season four. I can buy that not everyone thought those moments were properly written and/or acted out, but they were put in there. Some of them I liked, and some of them I didn't, but they had a natural pace of going from a semi-playful dislike to being casual friends, to being good friends, to being good friends that found one another physically attractive to having not-quite platonic feelings under the surface. I can only guess to their degree, but with Lois heart out in the open she was an easy read in Bride. Clark not so much, but I'm flexible and I think, really I do, that this was set up for the more classic Clois of Lois being all about Superman and her work and Clark is trying to win her over. I even dare say this works pretty good even being different from the classic run because it gives Clark some reason to being 'smitten' with Lois during the days of Superman. They already had history.

It also makes Lois more susceptible to Clark's attempts at flirtation later down the road, though again I feel like this episode gave a set up for her to be a ALOT more difficult to win over, being more cautious and far more guarded with her feelings. Which is a Lois Lane that DCU fans are more than familiar with. ;)

Too make SV Cloisers feel better you should listen to Nickelback's 'Gotta Be Somebody' I'll put the link in the Clois thread too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2rZ8Y1yY64

[alejandrita439]

well
i dont feel dissapointed :)
i loved this episode..

and i cant wait episode 15 :)

[eas]

Wow...finally got to watch the epi.

(be warned: this is a rant post)....

[...]

After this horrible Clois episode in particular (where Clark displayed only physical attraction for Lois and friendly concern, while Lois was full-out desperately imploringly romantically in love) I really don't see how this relationship can escape being a Chlark repeat. Yeah, maybe it avoided being Clana deja vu, but playing it out as some fantasy replacement Chlark with a happy ending is every bit as "off" to me as the hypothesized Chlois scenario.

Can we just have Superman now?

Yeah, I understand your whole rant and I had a lot of these same issues. A LOT of these issues.

My guess is... at least, what I'm hoping... is that they are setting up the "triangle for two".

Here's my reasoning.... Lois kind of has to fall for Clark first. That is canon. At least, current, post-Crisis, canon. And so they did that - they had Lois fall for Clark Kent first & complications got in the way.

Now, when she comes back, she'll probably turn her attentions to the Superdude (a.k.a. red/blue blur; The Good Samaritan) and they'll show her becoming curious about him and enamoured with him. She'll think that Clark is off limits, so she'll let down her guard with that guy... not knowing that he's Clark Kent.

Clark, for this part, should be over his confusions at this point, but can't get Lois on the same page as him.... which leads him to having a relationship with Lois as "The Good Samaritan" where he opens up to her under that guise.

They both get closer - but it's Superman and Lois Lane who are getting closer and Clark Kent is left out in the cold.... and, thus, they've aligned "SV" up with the most well known version of the mythos.

These are my hopes... let's see if it pans out that way.

I also have to say that, upon repeat viewing, this episode wasn't as bad as I thought. The ending scene, in particular, seemed to make it pretty clear that Clark has feelings for Lois.

In fact, I watched it with my hubby - a person who is not a fan of "SV" or Clois - and he seemed to think that it was very obvious that they intended the viewer to realize that he's over Lana & is in love with the "woman in orange" (that's what he called Lois, lol).

He based this on the way they had Clark talk to Lana (he thought, from a guy's perspective, that Clark was very matter-of-fact with Lana. And, then, when he was talking to Lois, he was very emotional and he was really sad when Lois was leaving. He also thought that because Lois left in a slo-mo, it was a no-brainer that the show was setting it up that he was in love with Lois.

I thought that was funny - chances are that if I watched it the first time around with him (rather than the second time) I would have saved myself a lot of rage.

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Oh, I definitely think it will come up through Lana. I think PS3 purposefully (Beyond shock value) placed Lana there at that moment. She saw him and Lois being intimate (Or about to be) and her initial suspicions (Remember a season or two back, "That's how all the good ones start) were confirmed. I think she is being more selfless in her declaration "Lana Lang and Clark Kent are not destined to be together" She will point out their almost kiss and comment, in a favorable way, for the relationship.

Just a prediction. They staged the major characters (Lana and GA) in knowledgeable positions that will move Clark's side of L&C relationship further even with Lois' absence.

I am talking very optimistically here, but I have every reason to be optimistic given the first 10 awesome episodes they gave us.

I agree... maybe not about being optimistic (I'm still in wait and see mode) but I do think that Lana/Clark will be having a convo about Lois.

Lana saw the kiss. She was in the dark, but Lois/Clark weren't... she saw them almost kiss and she was going to stay quiet about it... if Chloe hadn't yelled out, she would have let it happen.

It's pretty clear that Lois has been set-up as Clark's main romantic interest this season. An ex-girlfriend coming back certainly throws a wrench in the main romance (classic TV plot device) but we all know that KK is not coming back after her 5 episodes are done. They have no choice but to end Clana and start up Clois.

The question about whether or not they'll do it well? We'll see.

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It was there... I was there...what more do you want?

Yay!!! :D

That's pretty good in my book!!!

[victory01]

I'm betting that Clark finds a way to erase Lana's memory of his secret, just like he did with Chloe. Her knowing that he's Superman ties the two of them together in a way that is more intimate than his bond with Lois. If he's truly going to be free of Lana, he'll need to cut that last tie. Then he'll be free to resume his relationship with Lois...not soon enough for me!

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I love the way... Lois and Clark had a lot of really charged moments with no dialog in this episode. It was SO POWERFUL to me. Lois and Clark have built up this natural comfort level with each other. Their nearness just seems so natural now. But back to the quiet electricity I actually felt it for the first time this season when Clark sees Lois at Black Creek in Odyssey! There was something NEW about that moment. So it's been building a while.

But in Bride... Clark has lost that fear of Lois. That... uneasy wariness that he used to have. Her prickly nature seems amusing to him... and dare I say endearing! So Lois has lost the power to deflect him! It's so much fun to watch. Because Clark has gained this lethal weapon I don't think he even knows he has! She snarks at him and he just gives her this patient smile! She tries to run away from the slow dance and he calmly and gently pulls her into the dance with a lift of his chin that silently says, "Dance with me Lois." Oh my face got so HOT! LOL!

The moment on the stairs, they just stared at each other. The way Clark took her in... gazing at her dress... OH! <3 I wanna watch the episode again. Their video message was so... It was a display of that yin yang quality that I love between Lois and Clark in all mediums. She just blurts out the wrong thing. Clark is nervous and wanting to perfectly express what he feels... it comes out rather stilted and wooden. Oh it's a wonderful dynamic and fun to finally see on Smallville in a harmonious context. Usually on Smallville you see this in a competitive way.

I had mixed feelings at first but... I think "Bride" was a clever way to show Lois' vulnerability. I think some SV viewers found it hard to see past Lois' prickles. And now with this episode you really get to see behind her armor. I think that was a factor in Lois and Clark the TV show. We always got to see Lois from a more vulnerable POV. So her prickles were nearly invisible.

I really thing that Clark is oblivious to how strong Lois' feelings are. He doesn't even know the power that he has with every little thing he does... that Lois' walls are down and every smile... every soft word... every touch... OH! <3

Clark just doesn't know. I think Lois is creeping up on him as far as love goes. He's happy to see her, he likes being around her, he's pleasant and cheerful caring for her at her worst ("Committed" drunken escapades). All this is new. And Clark being gentle and assertive with that dance and with his hug... oh... it was just beautiful. <3

I can't wait to see what comes next. I'm not angry with Clark or the show... I feel that the closure with Lana is necessary. I would rather that Lois and Clark not kiss again until Lana is totally out of the picture for Clark. I love what Erica Durance said about all this to TV Guide. And she said it in this really soft voice.

I wonder if Lois will have her walls back up when she comes back. I can't wait to see Clark's face when he sees her again. <3

I can't stop making hearts! <3 <3 <3 I feel so girly! :D
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You are so right - Clark is much more comfortable around Lois. And we saw where he teases her -- "I was your knight in shining armor...?". I think she's the one starting to feel nervous around him...of her growing feelings for him, to be precise. The shoe is definitely on the other foot! About time. I'm enjoying this view into a vulnerable Lois... :)

[Doomsday911]

I was very interested

[Mickey_Bickey]

I agree, that is why I am hoping that 8-16 will be have some Valentine's Day theme.
And maybe he can get her walls down then. :)

In another thread I predicted this will be when they kiss. TW is scheduled (Rumor page) to direct this episode and in both Hydro and Apocalypse they had some of their best moments with sparks flying everywhere! One can only hope!;)

[geminis]

Lois and Clark are so perfect together. It doesn't matter, talking or silent, they strike sparks off of each other. I love their banter but also how they don't have to say a word to communicate. On the stairs, during the dance, at the hospital, their nonverbal communication just about killed me, it was so amazing.

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In another thread I predicted this will be when they kiss. TW is scheduled (Rumor page) to direct this episode and in both Hydro and Apocalypse they had some of their best moments with sparks flying everywhere! One can only hope!;)

To be honest, I don't know if they'll kiss that soon but no matter what, Lois and Clark will be terrific. And with Tom directing, it's a guarantee.

[eas]

I don't think they'll kiss that soon. TPTB are going to stretch out their UST as long as they possibly can... probably until series end.

The second they mutually kiss? There's no going back from that. There is no element of "will they or won't they work out?" with Clois. Everyone in the world knows that they end up getting married... if they have Clark/Lois kiss & then get into a relationship, it'll be a re-hash of "LnC:TNAoS" and they've all gone on record to say that they don't want to go there.

So that means that we're going to get a lot of Clois angst without dating or kissing or anything.

[fabror]

i love this show but what really bothers me is that it took a lot of time to start to huck up clark and lois

lana was in the picture for too much time

[Doomsday911]

I really thought the kiss was gonna happen

[davidbrenton]

I don't think they'll kiss that soon. TPTB are going to stretch out their UST as long as they possibly can... probably until series end.

The second they mutually kiss? There's no going back from that. There is no element of "will they or won't they work out?" with Clois. Everyone in the world knows that they end up getting married... if they have Clark/Lois kiss & then get into a relationship, it'll be a re-hash of "LnC:TNAoS" and they've all gone on record to say that they don't want to go there.

So that means that we're going to get a lot of Clois angst without dating or kissing or anything.

Damn. I'd like to see they're version of that. Bummer.

[eas]

^ I would, too. I think that SVClark and SVLois would be hilarious to watch if they're dating. I would just love to see a convo about sex between them.... chances are pretty high that Lois wouldn't be as passive about it as Lana! LOL

But, sadly, I think that PS3 don't think that we would find entertaining is what the general audience would find entertaining.

[davidbrenton]

^ I would, too. I think that SVClark and SVLois would be hilarious to watch if they're dating. I would just love to see a convo about sex between them.... chances are pretty high that Lois wouldn't be as passive about it as Lana! LOL

But, sadly, I think that PS3 don't think that we would find entertaining is what the general audience would find entertaining.

True, however I never learn. So, I'm still holding out and hoping the powers that be see "our" light.

Oh yeah, it's coming. Let's start the rumors now.

[SpeedDemon77]

Anvils. Too many. Can't see straight for the anvil-induced headache resulting from this episode.

Enough said.

[disciples of zod]

I really thought the kiss was gonna happen

i did too, but i was then reminded that lana was returning. so i thought to myself "lana's going to walk in right when they're ready to kiss." by golly george, i was right!

i was all, GRR! NOOOOO! U RUINED IT!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

~K

[davidbrenton]

Anvils. Too many. Can't see straight for the anvil-induced headache resulting from this episode.

Enough said.

GGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

[cloisthelegendbegins]

I don't think they'll kiss that soon. TPTB are going to stretch out their UST as long as they possibly can... probably until series end.

The second they mutually kiss? There's no going back from that. There is no element of "will they or won't they work out?" with Clois. Everyone in the world knows that they end up getting married... if they have Clark/Lois kiss & then get into a relationship, it'll be a re-hash of "LnC:TNAoS" and they've all gone on record to say that they don't want to go there.


I bolded part cos I think that's a bit of a cop out if the PS3 said it. LnC:TNAoS ran for four seasons - season four sucked - season three had it moments - the end of season two saw them get together and ended with the proposal that carried into season three - so season one was the only season that had the dancing around each other.

Plus, as much as I loved it, looking back on it now it's very 90's OTT.

Smallville is a completely different show and much more character driven imo. Not only has it already lasted twice as long as LnC, it has a rich cast of secondary characters outside of the 'big seven' who go in the opening credits every week and has delved into the DC Universe more than any other TV version of Superman. Having built up the Clois relationship to the level they have so far and with the possibility of a season nine, NOT to explore it seems both pointless, a waste of time showing us what they have already and to me says they're too scared to be compared to a fifteen year old TV show. From all the risks they've taken with Smallville this year the latter seems dumb.

And they'd be leaving us with plenty of unanswered questions. Leaving aside the mythos that tells us Lois Lane and Clark Kent get married, Smallville's Lois Lane and Clark Kent now have a history of their own. Lois left Oliver because his destiny was so much greater than hers and she couldn't stand to be left behind one more time - how will she deal with that with a guy whose destiny is a thousand times more important than the Green Arrow's? Clark has issues about sharing his secret/not sharing his secret and the implications that has on the woman in his life - we're s'posed to fill in the blanks? There are the intimacy issues he had with Lana, there's the issue of Clark's secret identity being hidden from a woman who has known him sans glasses or bumbling for four years, there's the day to day troubles involved with dating Clark as he steps up his game and takes on that more public persona. Basically there's a wealth of character driven storytelling to be told by putting them together after the dance around the relationship and less time for them to do it in than LnC had because they have so many other characters and storylines they can use.


So that means that we're going to get a lot of Clois angst without dating or kissing or anything.

Question is if we go to season nine how do they continue to stall it having gone so far already in the first half of season eight? Do we get more of the Clana-type angst - hell I hope not. It's been DONE. And they went what? Less than two seasons before Clark and Lana kissed? And that wasn't just with the build up and back and forth - it was Lana's relationship with Whitney having to be dealt with and all the usual freak of the week and Clark gaining powers and Lex storylines. Take away the FOTW and Clark's powers and Lex storylines and replace them with DC stuff and secret identity stuff and Tess and GA et all in season eight and that leaves us with the Whitney relationship.

Whitney didn't leave until the end of season one and Lana didn't break up with him until season two. Clark and Lana then kissed within the season. Remove the impediment of Whitney and things moved fast into kissing and relationship territory and THEN came the angst and stalling.

Season eight we now have Clark and Lois who aren't in a relationship with anyone else as of episode 15. Lois is already in love with Clark. We're fairly sure they'll flip the relationship over and we'll see Clark's growing feelings and the beginning of the classic chase. And we're supposed to watch all of this with no payoff onscreen??? Understandable with a canceled show maybe, but a show that has an 'end game' in mind and a possible further 22 episodes to play with? To introduce a heavy storyline they don't intend having a payoff seems ridiculous to me. So by no means do I think there won't be a kiss at the very, very, very least.

It's that old Chekov's Gun argument in writing. You don't introduce something onscreen unless it has a payoff later on. And we're not talking a small clue here - this is a MASSIVE storyline and has been promoted as such from the beginning of the season. If it wasn't and it hadn't and anvils hadn't been falling from the sky like rain in monsoon season then people wouldn't have been complaining so much.

No way do I think there's not a payoff in this. And if they're as gutsy as they've been so far they have plenty to run with by putting them together before the last part of the show (I don't think they can avoid it if they go to a season nine frankly). I even speculated with a friend recently that the best way round the Clark/glasses issue with Lois would be to carry it through to her knowing his secret and mirror what she did in the alternative reality in Apocalypse. The glasses could be her idea and this Clark could scoff at it the same way he did when Oliver suggested he try a red cape...

But that's just me throwing it 'out there' :D

Anyways time will tell. But I really don't think they'll chicken out and certainly not because of LnC. At Comic Con they were asked about the comparison to LnC and they said no - because it's still Smallville and it's still SMALLVILLE'S Lois and Clark and THATS what makes it different.

[Sweetie]

I loved them.They were simply wonderfull.I liked the way Clark asked her to dance with his eyes,he just took her hand with a beautiful smile in his face and they danced looking at each other deep in their eyes,it took my breath away.It doesn't matter if they couldn't kiss.For me,they did just by the way they looked at each other with so much passion.

[Minela]

I re-watched Bride twice now and I must say I'm liking the Clois better the second and third time around. The reason is Clark, and it's very subtle and that's probably the reason it didn't sink in fully the first time around when I watched him.

In Bride, when Lois walks down the stairs in her dress he is completely attracted to her. But he doesn't give her that adolescent look he did in Spirit when she came down the stairs. In Spirit, he swallowed hard and was kind of uncomfortable with his emotions and hormones. Same thing with Lana, he was always kind of fidgety when it came to girls.

But this time around, in Bride, he was so manly and confidant. He was still looking at her, but there was no fidgeting or hard swallowing or bug eyes. He was just looking at her like he was thinking, "Yes. I'm looking at you and I like it. I think you're hot and I'm not going to hide it. I'm not going to obsess over it, I'm not going to get all angsty over it, but I do want you to know you're looking very good."

He was like that the entire episode with Lois. Very confidant and manly. Especially when he took her hand and pulled her into the dance. How far have we come since Spirit? At the prom, he clearly wanted to dance with her, but there was this awkward teenage factor. Here, he is all man.

Man, he was very manly. No wonder Lois is all over that. :p

[davidbrenton]

i love this show but what really bothers me is that it took a lot of time to start to huck up clark and lois

lana was in the picture for too much time

Agreed. Season 7 should have been official start of Clois.

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I re-watched Bride twice now and I must say I'm liking the Clois better the second and third time around. The reason is Clark, and it's very subtle and that's probably the reason it didn't sink in fully the first time around when I watched him.

In Bride, when Lois walks down the stairs in her dress he is completely attracted to her. But he doesn't give her that adolescent look he did in Spirit when she came down the stairs. In Spirit, he swallowed hard and was kind of uncomfortable with his emotions and hormones. Same thing with Lana, he was always kind of fidgety when it came to girls.

But this time around, in Bride, he was so manly and confidant. He was still looking at her, but there was no fidgeting or hard swallowing or bug eyes. He was just looking at her like he was thinking, "Yes. I'm looking at you and I like it. I think you're hot and I'm not going to hide it. I'm not going to obsess over it, I'm not going to get all angsty over it, but I do want you to know you're looking very good."

He was like that the entire episode with Lois. Very confidant and manly. Especially when he took her hand and pulled her into the dance. How far have we come since Spirit? At the prom, he clearly wanted to dance with her, but there was this awkward teenage factor. Here, he is all man.

Man, he was very manly. No wonder Lois is all over that. :p

Yes, it's his confidence around Lois that almost makes him hard to read. It will be interesting when we get Clois from Clark's POV

[amberdawn]

So that means that we're going to get a lot of Clois angst without dating or kissing or anything.

You used to think it was possible we could see them date lol.

[davidbrenton]

You used to think it was possible we could see them date lol.

Wait, we can't? We can't even see them date? Wait a minute. THIS ENTIRE SEASON WAS MARKETED AS THE SEASON OF LOIS & CLARK.

They purposefully made reference to TNAoS.

I think we're ignoring the obvious here. They're showing us that already. We've just got to keep our fingers crossed it goes somewhere and keeps moving.

[amberdawn]

I'd like to think there's a good chance we'll see them get together. Like Annie said, it would be rather pointless if we get no payoff.

Off topic but David if that's you in your avatar, you're cute.

[ShelbyKent]

I think the last clois scene at the hospital parallels nicely to that lollie break-up scene wherein Lois something to the effect that she knew there was no place for her in Ollie's life, but Ollie won't say it, so she was the one who did and they broke up.

In the Bride hospital scene, I think Lois was going through the same line of thinking and the one who made the hard decision once again and walked away, thinking that it was what was best for both for them. JMHO

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Off topic but David if that's you in your avatar, you're cute.

Down girl. Baby on board. :p

[amberdawn]

:rotfl:!!!!!!!!!!! I was just making a nice comment! :lol:

[davidbrenton]

:rotfl:!!!!!!!!!!! I was just making a nice comment! :lol:

Thanks. It's my superman pose.


Actually, I have to change it. I thought it was fun for a while, but now too many threads are being populated with this talk. But, initially I put it up because I thought I looked like TW and sorta had an issue with putting him up since I could do the same pose.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Thanks. It's my superman pose.

Actually, I have to change it. I thought it was fun for a while, but now too many threads are being populated with this talk. But, initially I put it up because I thought I looked like TW and sorta had an issue with putting him up since I could do the same pose.

You do look like him. And a very Supermanly pose it is/was ;)

It was just too good an opportunity to tease Amber. WHO BETTER HAVE HER FEET UP. :mad:

[pizzahead2490]

Thanks. It's my superman pose.


Actually, I have to change it. I thought it was fun for a while, but now too many threads are being populated with this talk. But, initially I put it up because I thought I looked like TW and sorta had an issue with putting him up since I could do the same pose.

awww why u changed it:p

[davidbrenton]

awww why u changed it:p

LOL. I don't want to derail threads. Plus, did you notice? I was the only freak with my photo up on here.

I'll switch it back when I'm feeling insecure.

Thanks for the comments all. I really put it up to get assurances I looked like Superman. I'm dispicable. It took a week, but I got three...maybe four. That's enough for me!!

[eas]

I bolded part cos I think that's a bit of a cop out if the PS3 said it. LnC:TNAoS ran for four seasons - season four sucked - season three had it moments - the end of season two saw them get together and ended with the proposal that carried into season three - so season one was the only season that had the dancing around each other.

Plus, as much as I loved it, looking back on it now it's very 90's OTT.

Smallville is a completely different show and much more character driven imo. Not only has it already lasted twice as long as LnC, it has a rich cast of secondary characters outside of the 'big seven' who go in the opening credits every week and has delved into the DC Universe more than any other TV version of Superman. Having built up the Clois relationship to the level they have so far and with the possibility of a season nine, NOT to explore it seems both pointless, a waste of time showing us what they have already and to me says they're too scared to be compared to a fifteen year old TV show. From all the risks they've taken with Smallville this year the latter seems dumb.

And they'd be leaving us with plenty of unanswered questions.


Oh, I completely agree with you. Don't get me wrong - I don't think that they'll be doing the smart thing by avoiding full-blown Clois. They would actually be doing the smart thing if they embraced this relationship and used it to have Clark move past his issues.

I said it up there - almost jokingly - but I meant it. I would love to see a convo about sex between SVLois and SVClark. Anyone with even fleeting knowledge of canon knows that Clark and Lois have a healthy physical relationship in their marriage. So, SV really needs to address how Clark gets from Point A to Point B. He refused to sleep with Lana, because he was scared (and rightly so, I suppose) but he doesn't know for a fact that he can't have sex. I think that he and Lana could never have had this conversation. They were always too shy around each other. (I still remember in "Wrath" Lana tried to act be sexually pro-active and sexy & Clark was embarrassed and kind of repulsed.) I think that's part of the reason that he & Lana couldn't figure it out.

Compare that to Lois: There's no way she'd let it just slide like that. She's been set up to be very confident and in full ownership of her sexuality. And Clark gets turned on by it (I think that Cedric's description of how Clark looked at her in "Bride" is a good one -- it is rather surprising that she didn't get skewered with his heat vision.) Lois would challenge him and he'd probably accept it & he'd get over his hang-ups, because they'd work through it together.

However, if they never put Clark and Lois in a "real" relationship then we'd never get to see these sorts of things get resolved... and, yes, it would suck. And I agree that it's short-sighted.

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Question is if we go to season nine how do they continue to stall it having gone so far already in the first half of season eight? Do we get more of the Clana-type angst - hell I hope not.

[...]

Season eight we now have Clark and Lois who aren't in a relationship with anyone else as of episode 15. Lois is already in love with Clark. We're fairly sure they'll flip the relationship over and we'll see Clark's growing feelings and the beginning of the classic chase. And we're supposed to watch all of this with no payoff onscreen??? Understandable with a canceled show maybe, but a show that has an 'end game' in mind and a possible further 22 episodes to play with? To introduce a heavy storyline they don't intend having a payoff seems ridiculous to me. So by no means do I think there won't be a kiss at the very, very, very least.

It's that old Chekov's Gun argument in writing. You don't introduce something onscreen unless it has a payoff later on. And we're not talking a small clue here - this is a MASSIVE storyline and has been promoted as such from the beginning of the season. If it wasn't and it hadn't and anvils hadn't been falling from the sky like rain in monsoon season then people wouldn't have been complaining so much.

No way do I think there's not a payoff in this.

[...]

Anyways time will tell. But I really don't think they'll chicken out and certainly not because of LnC. At Comic Con they were asked about the comparison to LnC and they said no - because it's still Smallville and it's still SMALLVILLE'S Lois and Clark and THATS what makes it different.

Well, I think you answered your own question. They will stall it the same way they did with Clana.

Look, they've already started. At this point, we've only seen the extent of Lois's feelings for Clark & he's very much ambigious and falling slower. Now, we see Clark start to take steps towards her and - LOOK - there's an ex-girlfriend! Classic wrench to de-rail the primary romance of a TV show.

Once Lana is gone? Watch and see that Lois has completely backed off of Clark & has convinced herself that she has no feelings for him. At that point, she'll start to get closer to the Superblur (I have my own theories on how that will play out) and Clark will be frustrated because she cares more about Superblur than him. As time goes, he'll fall deeply in love with her, but she's not in love with him - at least that's how he sees it. Now what does he do? If he tells her that he's Superblur & Clark Kent, then he's going to be afraid that she'll hate him for lying to her all the time. (They'll probably throw in some OOC comments from Lois about how she hates liars or something.) Now, he's back in this classic Superman problem of Lois being close to Superman, but keeping Clark Kent at arm's length.

If the series ends in S8, their idea of a pay-off would probably be that Lois figures out he's Superman be series end; names him Superman; and they kiss and acknowledge they love each other. That, to them, would probably be pay-off enough (they'll figure anyone who wants more should go to the comics) because this is a pre-quel & they'll see this as only being the beginning of their story. Once they've finished with that, they're done.

Now, if they go on to S9, then we won't see her name him or have her find out. And, then, they'll resort to other, classic, methods of keeping them apart. Look for a Jason-type character for Lois. Also, they may introduce Lori Lemaris (like an Alicia) for Clark -- have him think that he can't have Lois, because of his secret, so he might as well go out with a girl who has powers and understands him. By then, he'll have convinced himself that Lois loves the Superblur (or insert random boyfriend here) and so he'll think it's okay to date a Lori Lemaris-type character. This will all lead up to the finale, again, and it'll play out like I posted for S8.

This is one of the reasons I'm not gung-ho over the thought of a S9. I'm not convinced that it'll be good Clois if they stretch this out more. The way the first 10 episodes went in S8? I think that they just pressed "fast forward" on roma Clois to catch up because Lois was - for the first time - given the spot-light. I expect to slow down in the back-half. I think we'll see romance, but it'll be more on the angsty side. This is not a TV series that likes showing couples in healthy, committed, relationships. Even Chimmy was not exempt from angst and triangles.

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You used to think it was possible we could see them date lol.

I did? Wait... when? LOL... I've always been the most pessimistic about Clark/Lois having a romantic relationship on this show.

I'm not going to lie - they've progressed roma Clois a lot further than I ever imagined. However, we can't deny that it's been all one-sided so far. Of course, Cloisers look at Clark and we see that he's madly in love with her, but it's mainly subtle and just the foundation of a future love.

I think the key is going to be that these two are not madly in love with each other at the same time. If Clana was a victim of "secrets and lies" then Clois will be a victim of bad timing.

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I think the last clois scene at the hospital parallels nicely to that lollie break-up scene wherein Lois something to the effect that she knew there was no place for her in Ollie's life, but Ollie won't say it, so she was the one who did and they broke up.

In the Bride hospital scene, I think Lois was going through the same line of thinking and the one who made the hard decision once again and walked away, thinking that it was what was best for both for them. JMHO

Yes, I think we're definitely seeing a Lois Lane who wants to be the first to walk away. In "Siren" she straight up told Clark that she couldn't stand "to be left behind again". That's her MO... she saw Ollie heading down a path that she couldn't follow & she ended it. Same with Clark - she saw Lana walk in & then Lois immediately headed for the exit.

Clark will, of course, end up being different than Ollie: He won't let her walk away. We already saw this foreshadowed when he grabbed her hand and pulled her onto the dance floor. When Lois's instinct was to run, Clark's instinct was to hold her and keep her from running. Even though he was side-tracked by Lana; Doomsday; Chloe's kidnapping; and Jimmy's near-death, I think he still realized that Lois was pulling away & leaving him in that final scene in the hospital. And he was sad... but he couldn't stop her because he had an obligation to go find Chloe and she had good reason to leave.

But when she comes back? I think he'll try to make her realize that he's different from Ollie. I just don't think she'll be buying it.

[davidbrenton]

But when she comes back? I think he'll try to make her realize that he's different from Ollie. I just don't think she'll be buying it.

Alright EAS, now what is your definition of a "real relationship" and how does talking about and having sex not constitute one (Especially in Smallville universe)?

I'm following you, I just get lost on the clinical difference between what you described and a relationship. I'm viewing them as one and the same. So, help me out.

[melissan02]

Well, I'm a little angsty right now about the CLOIS relationship.:( Maybe it's because I know I won't see Lois until February, but I wonder how all this will play out.

I mean...I don't want her to come back and be too dismissive off Clark, or her feelings of Clark. I know Lois will be in work mode and protecting her heart mode, but I hope it's not over the top! :(
Plus, how will it play out if Lois has a "thing" for a ....red/blue blur hero???????????:rolleyes:
I know traditional mythos has Lois Lane fall for Superman, but would the writers really have her fall for a "blur" type hero??????:mad::confused:

We CLOISers deserve a better romance than that!!

Could someone enlighten me on how they see this romance playing out w/ CLOIS on Smallville?? ....if at all????:(

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Forgot to add....:o


in other words, I want a CLARK and LOIS romance to play out on this show! :D This season or (if we're so lucky) next season.

I've got to have some beautiful moments...with MORE than one kiss between them...like....three or four would be nice for this season!!;)




**Hey, even a night of pure, uninhibited passion would do too!! ....Hey, I can dream--right?:lol:

[davidbrenton]

[QUOTE=melissan02;4193942]Well, I'm a little angsty right now about the CLOIS relationship.:( Maybe it's because I know I won't see Lois until February, but I wonder how all this will play out.

I mean...I don't want her to come back and be too dismissive off Clark, or her feelings of Clark. I know Lois will be in work mode and protecting her heart mode, but I hope it's not over the top! :(
Plus, how will it play out if Lois has a "thing" for a ....red/blue blur hero???????????:rolleyes:
I know traditional mythos has Lois Lane fall for Superman, but would the writers really have her fall for a "blur" type hero??????:mad::confused:

We CLOISers deserve a better romance than that!!

Could someone enlighten me on how they see this romance playing out w/ CLOIS on Smallville?? ....if at all????:(

in other words, I want a CLARK and LOIS romance to play out on this show! :D This season or (if we're so lucky) next season.

QUOTE]

Same boat with wanting the CLois romance to play out.

To answer your question, How does anyone see it playing out and to also elaborate on blur:

I don't think it's a coincidence that Linda Lake & Lois are returning in the same episode. Nor do I think it's a coincidence that "Clark will tell the world about him" in that episode which may shed more believeability to how "Lois falls for a red/blue blur. Lois will return, Clark will be set that she's the one, and Linda Lake comes along spurring him to tell the world, via his alter ego, about himself aka Superman. If this goes down like this, Lois returns at the perfect opportunity to begin her infatuation with Superman.

THE SPIN? Is Lois REALLY infatuated with Superman, or is she merely acting that way to ward off Clark from breaking her heart? (I like this because it modernizes Lois to an extent that she's not all about fantasy, and she's about the real guy, who just happens to be Superman)

And so the mythos, with modern day spin, begins with full steam.

[DontCha]

Lois is playing it right, she's needs clark but she has decided to go and put her feelings on the shelf for now. And this is what makes someone more attracted to you, there is nothing more offputting to someone than the person they are interested in being desperate. Lois has got it down.

[melissan02]

Well, I guess it could play out w/ great possiblities, BUT....

if TW isn't going to ever wear the suit :(and been seen other than in a "blur", I'd hate to have Lois falling for some faceless "blur"!:mad::rolleyes:
Iconically, she's face to face w/ Superman and doesn't see that it's Clark Kent. On SV, Clark is still super-speeding, hence, a "blur", and I just don't think it would make for good romance for Lois.:(

I'm going to be upset if they don't have a definitive Clark and Lois romance!! :mad: I know she's gonna put her feelings on the shelf, but I certainly don't want her to look like a fool falling for a red/blue "blur"!!:rolleyes: It would be different if Clark were in the suit or had a clear dual identity, but....alas...SV does things their own way.

Just give me CLOIS romance----BIG TIME!!!!:D
Kisses, kisses, and more kisses!!:D

[SnowBird]

I want Lois and Clark to be a couple on SV. I have just finished up the four seasons of Lois and Clark TV series and it was fun watching them together. I guess a big question is, are they going to keep them apart because of the ships? Will they not move Lois and Clark forward for being afraid of loosing viewers?

Another thing is, some people don't want them together because it doesn't go along with the comics but when has Smallville followed 100 per cent with the comics. We have villains and heroes that don't meet Clark till he is Superman but here they are in SV. Why not give us Lois and Clark the couple especially if we have a season 9. If not completely a couple, at least a steady progression towards being a couple.

This has been a long road from the time Lois has entered the picture in S4. Excitment fills the air even when Clark looks at Lois with appreciation in his eyes or attempts a kiss. I can't imagine what it would be like if they actually get to do more romantically than look at each other. Since Smallville is such a long running show, this has got to be the longest time it has taken to get two people together in the history of TV.

[eas]

Alright EAS, now what is your definition of a "real relationship" and how does talking about and having sex not constitute one (Especially in Smallville universe)?

I'm following you, I just get lost on the clinical difference between what you described and a relationship. I'm viewing them as one and the same. So, help me out.

:lol:

I guess I explained wrong. The first part of my post was talking about what I *wish* would happen -- in an ideal world, where I ruled PS3 - I would have Clois starting dating and go through the growing pains of a normal relationship (i.e. talking about and having sex).

HOWEVER, I don't think this is going to happen. Instead, I think they will never get to the point where they consummate the Clark/Lois relationship. The only moment we'll get got both Clark and Lois on the same page is right before end credits roll on the series.

That's my prediction, anyway. I may be wrong... but that's what I think. That we won't get a "real" relationship between them.

[Blugolds22]

It will be a big letdown if we never get a real relationship between Lois and Clark on the show. I hope the writers aren't waiting for season 9 because we might not get it.

In reference to this episode, seeing the hurt on Lois's face as she leaves with Jimmy just makes this a horrible mid-season ending to Clois IMO. Clark could have said something to reassure Lois that they'll get Chloe back. She won't forget that. I think now she's going to brush off their almost-kiss as if it didn't even happen.

[SnowBird]

Clark could have said something to reassure Lois that they'll get Chloe back. She won't forget that. I think now she's going to brush off their almost-kiss as if it didn't even happen.

Clark hugged Lois and told her he was going to get Chloe back.

[melissan02]

It will be a big letdown if we never get a real relationship between Lois and Clark on the show. I hope the writers aren't waiting for season 9 because we might not get it.

In reference to this episode, seeing the hurt on Lois's face as she leaves with Jimmy just makes this a horrible mid-season ending to Clois IMO. Clark could have said something to reassure Lois that they'll get Chloe back. She won't forget that. I think now she's going to brush off their almost-kiss as if it didn't even happen.

I'm afraid of this happening too...that, AND the sinking feeling that this is it for SV this season!! :(:mad:
I must have three things if this is the last season of SV, otherwise, it won't be worth watching...those are:

1) sharing more than one kiss AND their feelings for each other
2) definitive indication that Lois and Clark are a couple
3) Lois knowing his secret AND/OR him wearing the suit!!!

[pizzahead2490]

i am actually hoping they will be a couple besideds what dc says

[Guidron]

That's my prediction, anyway. I may be wrong... but that's what I think. That we won't get a "real" relationship between them.

I hope you're wrong, but I have to agree with you. Although, I'm basing my agreement on 7 years of G & M. The PS3 seem to have no qualms with doing things differently so I do hope that we would get to see a 'real' relationship between two people other than John and Martha.

I hope that the PS3 realize that there are a lot of mature viewers watching the show. Those that just don't really buy into the 'angsty' relationships and want to see a true relationship develop between characters. So far, I've found Clois to be the closest to this, and I would love if they would at least start some kind of relationship.
They don't have to immediately jump into living together and dancing the horizontal mambo, but actually being an item would be a start. Also, I'd like to see them get together as Lois and CLARK (then Clark can tell her) and NOT as Lois and Superdude/redandblueblur/whatevertheywannacallhim. I really enjoy the angle they have taken in Smallville with having Lois fall for Clark and not his Super alternative. I've always felt more like Clark was the real guy and Superman was his disguise :).

[eas]

I hope you're wrong, but I have to agree with you. Although, I'm basing my agreement on 7 years of G & M. The PS3 seem to have no qualms with doing things differently so I do hope that we would get to see a 'real' relationship between two people other than John and Martha.

I hope I'm wrong, too.

But I learned a long time ago with "SV" that what I wish to happen is very different from what actually happens onscreen. If my version of "SV" made it to air, then Lois would be in every episode. :D

[LCforever]

**Hey, even a night of pure, uninhibited passion would do too!! ....Hey, I can dream--right?:lol:

Hey, I'm on board for that! hahahahhah.....

[Guidron]

I hope I'm wrong, too.

But I learned a long time ago with "SV" that what I wish to happen is very different from what actually happens onscreen. If my version of "SV" made it to air, then Lois would be in every episode. :D

I'm one that wouldn't be complaining! :D

[DontCha]

I'd say up until Committed it was rather one sided but after that moment in the elevater clark had one major realization about Lois. Guess you could say it crept up on him, We then see him battling and trying to ignore his feelings for Lois but then there are these moments..where he just couldnt for example jealousy and her being in immediate danger. Sound familiar? He's going through the same motions Lois was, its just that lois is miles ahead of clark in terms of how she feels and how she handles her feelings for him. It crept up on her way back at the end of Season 7, She's now totally in love with him but Clark is still at the point where he's just figuring it out. He's about where Lois was in Committed/Identity

Anyway, I cant possibly see how this is being called one sided anymore when clark CLEARLY shows us here that he has feelings for Lois in Bride

Firstly, when she's not around we see he finds her fairytale character name calling adorable. He has the biggest grin on his face. Someone is on his mind.

Secondly when they see eachother they are BOTH stunned and both mirror eachothers actions which i find funny, they both take eachother in and then sway on the spot as if dazed..it takes 15 seconds for Lois to finally break the stunned silence. But before this, clark needed a moment to take all of her in, looking at her from botom to top with an open mouthed expression. I dont know about you but a man doesnt look at a woman like that unless he is attracted to her. Then when she gets close to him he's not looking at how to do the cufflinks properly he cant hep but look at Lois' hair, face and neck. Which leads him to become slightly stunned at the accidental innuendo, he's clearly finding her beautiful then she implies sex and he doesnt look disgusted or freaked out, he smiles.

Thirdly, She wants to sit down and he will not allow it, he's not letting her get away he wants to dance with her and he's going to get it as far as he's concerned, I loved the unspoken scenes in this episode to me it spoke SO much louder than words. Clark and Lois usually clash verbally and so in order to understand the bare essence of whats going on in their minds...just shut them BOTH up and you will see whats REALLY going on.

Fourthly when they almost kiss. I know people claim Lois is the one who made that take off but it WASNT it was clark. Look back at it carefully. He looks down as if contemplating something then looks at her lips. She then gives a look of "wait, you want to kiss me?" she then puts her hand on his chest, he (smiling the entire time) looking perfectly comfortable and determined, steps closer, she then looks scared and unsure, moves in, pulls away and he then reassures her that he wants it by looking at her lips and moving in slowly. She then moves in.

Lastly, in the hospital..YES there are millions of other more important things going on, more important than how they feel and so they both sort of let their feelings take a backseat for a while. But the last scene implies that even in all this chaos, their feelings are still significant, again we get ANOTHER unspoken moment between the two where the message IMo was loud and clear, clark does not look happy at Lois walking away but allowes it IMO because she's looking after jimmy and clark's not selfish enough to step in and stop that simply because he wants Lois to stay. And LOIS is not selfish enough to stay and get in the way of clark and Lana. ( I love symmetrical clois)

ANYWAY, as Lois walks away we get that song called "Dont Take Your Love Away From Me" who's actually leaving clark? Lois is. And as she's walking we get some pretty fitting verses. Clark is looking confused and sad that she is leaving . And JUST as she walks out that door, look at his face it changes from confused with tensed eyebrows to despair. Its painful for him. He wants her there. And as she's walking away out of his life along the hall we get the outbreak of the chorus "Please dont take your love away from me"

anyway after all that, i think IMO it was rather clear that clark DOES have feelings for Lois but they are NOT at the same stage as Lois'

[Kid Collins]

Lois has fallen hard for Clark. She looks like she wants to eat him everytime she looks at him. It's too obvious. It's very over the top. Actually it's disturbing because for the past couple of seasons she saw him as her little brother. The Clois looks forced and I seriously don't see any chemistry. But hey, if former brother and sister hookup turns you on....go for it! Chemistry is subjective. :lol:

Clark, may start to have feelings for Lois but nothing CLOSE to what Lois feels for him.

It's Lois that whined and cried when Clark left her for Lana. As you've noticed Clark didn't seem bothered at all that he forgot about Lois after he saw his Ex.

If he was really into Lois, I would think he would've found a way to reconnect with her after he talked to Lana. At least to see if she was okay. But if Lois didn't turn up at the hospital, he would've just gone looking for Chloe.

Yeah, Lois will marry Clark someday, but in this rendition of the mythos, it looks FORCED and AWKWARD all the WAY!!

Can't erase 7 years and 5 episodes of Clana bonding and love. There just isn't enough time for Clois to even come close to what Clark and Lana have shared since this show began.

[CallMeClark]

i am actually hoping they will be a couple besideds what dc says

Me too. I imagine we will get some kind of kiss before the season ends. I really want to see Erica and Tom play out a relationship.

[Iluvgreen]

The reason people say its so one sided is we see more from Lois. but you have great pionts. I did see Clark move in first. :D I actually thought it was kinda one sided until this episode!! Before all we saw was him get a little jeluos, and then Faora said he had feelings for Lois, which kinda was like Maxima for lois. But Lois showed it more. She does show it more. You don't see any scenes when he talks about her like she was talking to Ollie about him. And Lana coming back doesn't so any good for him realizing that he loves Lois in this episode. I hope it does in the next four episodes.

[SteveS]

Thanks for the opportunity to say that in this episode, ClarkMan owned lois.

Firstly, he has already heard her profess her love for him and despite her weak-minded effort to BS her way out of it, he didn't fall for her lie, got more corroboration of her luv, yet the only person that ClarkMan discussed love affairs with was Lana.

"Feelings" might be nothing more than a mildly piqued interest or a thobbin' in the knobbin'. Nothing has been defined by Clark that tells any viewer what level his interest in lois is currently.

We disagree about the stairs moment. He checks her out, that means he is looking at her body, something guys do all the time from the onset of puberty until they go blind. It means basically one thing: lust, animal attraction, the onset of rut. Nothing more.

It is lois, again, who is speechless when she regards the beauty of ClarkMan. lois characteristically has something stupid to say, this time she is quiet. Probably she is headed for rutting season also, but we already know that she has publicly proclaimed her luv for Clark, which she later reveals to Oliver.

Again, ClarkMan reads Jimmy's wedding vows, lois un-wittingly thinks Clark is speaking of her and spins around all a-gushed and even Clark knows by the doe-in-the headlights expression on her face, that lois mistakenly thought he was pledging his luv for her. He wasn't.

And there is the dance scene. Yes, he reaches out and grabs her hand as lois is about to flee the scene...Obviously, there is some interest here, or maybe just courtesy, but he pulls her in, in complete control. The shared looks, is Clark about to propose? Hell no! But knowing that lois is in heat, he is willing to draw her into his web for a kiss (it is male lust that is the prime mover), when all at once who should appear? Not Santa and 8 tiny reindeer, but Clark's True Love, Lana, and as lois fades away behind him, he fully turns his back on lois to gaze upon Lana and there are are locked on each other.

Etc., etc., etc. Until defined by ClarkMan, not lois, Lana, Oliver, little Jimmy or even non-Brainiac/addled Chloe, we do not know what level of interest Clark has in lois. He and we do know that lois is over her head into him, but he has much bigger and more important things on his mind and to accomplish than capitalizing on lois' love and he is off to try to save Chloe. Then, he will deal with the closure of his first love, who will always be the first love, affair with Lana.

[ColdPlay3r]

clarks just a shy guy, its there:)

[dotsie23]

I kinda agree with what everyone is saying about the affection Lois is developing for Clark looks "forced" and SV decided to take the LnC relationship on a different level, Lois falling for Clark when in the mythos, yes I'm throwing that in, Lois really didn't fall for the Clark persona.

[Iluvgreen]

Thanks for the opportunity to say that in this episode, ClarkMan owned lois.

Firstly, he has already heard her profess her love for him and despite her weak-minded effort to BS her way out of it, he didn't fall for her lie, got more corroboration of her luv, yet the only person that ClarkMan discussed love affairs with was Lana.

"Feelings" might be nothing more than a mildly piqued interest or a thobbin' in the knobbin'. Nothing has been defined by Clark that tells any viewer what level his interest in lois is currently.

We disagree about the stairs moment. He checks her out, that means he is looking at her body, something guys do all the time from the onset of puberty until they go blind. It means basically one thing: lust, animal attraction, the onset of rut. Nothing more.

It is lois, again, who is speechless when she regards the beauty of ClarkMan. lois characteristically has something stupid to say, this time she is quiet. Probably she is headed for rutting season also, but we already know that she has publicly proclaimed her luv for Clark, which she later reveals to Oliver.

Again, ClarkMan reads Jimmy's wedding vows, lois un-wittingly thinks Clark is speaking of her and spins around all a-gushed and even Clark knows by the doe-in-the headlights expression on her face, that lois mistakenly thought he was pledging his luv for her. He wasn't.

And there is the dance scene. Yes, he reaches out and grabs her hand as lois is about to flee the scene...Obviously, there is some interest here, or maybe just courtesy, but he pulls her in, in complete control. The shared looks, is Clark about to propose? Hell no! But knowing that lois is in heat, he is willing to draw her into his web for a kiss (it is male lust that is the prime mover), when all at once who should appear? Not Santa and 8 tiny reindeer, but Clark's True Love, Lana, and as lois fades away behind him, he fully turns his back on lois to gaze upon Lana and there are are locked on each other.

Etc., etc., etc. Until defined by ClarkMan, not lois, Lana, Oliver, little Jimmy or even non-Brainiac/addled Chloe, we do not know what level of interest Clark has in lois. He and we do know that lois is over her head into him, but he has much bigger and more important things on his mind and to accomplish than capitalizing on lois' love and he is off to try to save Chloe. Then, he will deal with the closure of his first love, who will always be the first love, affair with Lana.

You sure do have a poor opinnion of Clark! You actually think Clark thinks that way! That's dispicable. Just so you know, Clark's not that mean of a guy!

[DontCha]

Steve, he did fall for her lie, I love how hi slook of dissapointment when she said "I slipped the sensor off my finger" is being so conveniently ignored by you.

And Faora even picked up on the feelings for her it was written ALL over his face when he thought Lois was gone completely aka DEAD and faora had taken over her body.

The level of interest he has in lois was revealed at the end of committed IMO

BUT we the audience will see it when Lois is not there, Clark will come to terms with it, say it out loud Lana will be like olliver was to Lois and so clark will move on to Lois, he will actually choose Lois over lana IMO

[Kid Collins]

I kinda agree with what everyone is saying about the affection Lois is developing for Clark looks "forced" and SV decided to take the LnC relationship on a different level, Lois falling for Clark when in the mythos, yes I'm throwing that in, Lois really didn't fall for the Clark persona.

The only time I saw Lois before this season take any interest in Clark was in the ep Blank. When she saw him lift this object that was about to crush Chloe. Her eyes got big and she gave this little knowing smile that showed she was interested. Then that dude wiped away her memory and then she was back to thinking of Clark as her little brother.

That tells me that she was interested in his POWER and not really in the man himself.

Then comes this season when PS3 decided that they'd like Clois and all of a sudden Lois gets interested in Clark.

And in this season, she started seeing Clark in a different way when she saw him not wearing his usual Plaid. I guess Clark wasn't appealing enough when he looked like a farmboy.

And now in Bride she's caressing Clark's suit while he's not in it.

In a funny way it kind of shows that Lois is more interested in what Clark wears rather than the man he is. Just an observation.

[DontCha]

really? what about when he was lying half naked on the sofa and she stared at him for a while and then smiled..then looked back at him again before leaving.

and when she first saw him..and when she was imagining him in a bathing suit..

Also all these things that happened at the end of season 7 are being totally ignored and people are screaming lightswitches..

it wasnt Ps3 that started it off it was the other two that left...they set the stones for season 8 and at the end of season 7 we get hints of actual real time onscreen development of clois, not anvils.

It started propely in Siren.

SHE saw him differently at the end of apocalypse..honestly HOW can that moment be ignored..you know the moment clark tells lois he see's her as a close friend and SHE goes giddy and weak in the knees...then tries to pretend it didnt happen..when she said it crept up on her THAT was the moment.

since WHEN does Lois lane do that over CLARK?

[Iluvgreen]

Lois said it snuck up upon her, and sometimes it was easy to ignor, didn't she. So it's getting harder this year thats all.

[DontCha]

she said she tried to ignore it but there were certain moments whers she couldnt..like when he was looking out for her in Arctic, was in pain in Arctic...and all the moments in season 8 to date.

and secondly..the love story this year is Clois not Clana & not chlark and so it must be developing from both sides but moreso on Lois' side at the moment.. IMO the second half of the season will be Clark showing really intense feelings, it will be getting too much for him.he'll be at the point Lois was in Bride but LOIS will be closed off when she comes back..youuuu bet ya

He's going to be ready to see her again and explain his feelings but she will be closed off.

[ginnyfan]

Lois has fallen hard for Clark. She looks like she wants to eat him every time she looks at him.

Yum!

I stopped reading after you said you didn't see Clois chemistry. I figured I wouldn't agree with the rest.

The way Clark was looking at Lois as she fastened his cuff links. *slurp* Delicious. And the way he grabbed her hand for the dance. <3 *melts*

Clark Kent is SLOW. LOL! And broken-hearted. :(

<3

[Sweetie]

It's not one-side anymore that's for sure.Lois was falling and Clark caught her right on time to fall for her aswell.I think both of their heart stopped for a moment while they were admiring each other all dressed up(her dress wasn't even red or blue).The moment where he grabbed her hand to ask her to dance(so romantic).The way they looked in each other eyes while they were dancing with such passion...Wow!!!It took my breath away.They will make a beautiful couple.

[FinnHarp]

i agree with what the first person said, that Clark isn't as far along with his feelings as Lois is. If he was he wouldn't have even noticed that Lana came back into the barn when she did.
I think he's started to realise a little bit of what he feels but unfortunatley Lois is way ahead of him with her feelings and that's why she ended up getting her heart stomped all over by stupid clark.

[ginevrakent]

The only time I saw Lois before this season take any interest in Clark was in the ep Blank. When she saw him lift this object that was about to crush Chloe. Her eyes got big and she gave this little knowing smile that showed she was interested. Then that dude wiped away her memory and then she was back to thinking of Clark as her little brother.

That tells me that she was interested in his POWER and not really in the man himself.

I never saw that scene in Blank that way. I mean, I respect your right to have a different perspective, but I honestly don't see how you could have drawn that conclusion about Lois based on that one scene. All Lois did was look surprised and say, "I guess I shouldn't call you Smallville anymore." She was shocked, not turned on IMO. Yet, in the future it wouldn't be unlike other Lois Lanes for this Lois to find the HEROISM which Superman performs with his powers to be attractive.

Lois has grown to admire Clark, and yes even love him, over time based on the experiences that they have shared together and the compatibility of their personalities. As far back as Reckoning, Lois was telling Lana how she would "be lucky to end up with someone as honorable as Clark someday." She even expressed an affinity for "guys in glasses" (Crusade), an appreciation for how adorable Clark being a dorky farmboy was (Crimson), and how deep down what she really wanted was to find "her Jonathan" (Fade) and not someone who was "hot, rich, and famous" (Siren). In her drunken phone call to Chloe in Committed--the episode her love for Clark is exposed--she calls to say that Clark is the "sweetest boy" not because he showed any sort of power or strength, but because he showed concern, tenderness, and compassion. What she loves about him is what she learned about him way back in Lucy, which was that he "always looks for the best in people" and, according to Exposed, comes after her even when he doesn't have to. It's important to note that Lois tells Oliver that what she wanted most was for a guy to need her, and the moment which many Cloisers mark as Lois falling for Clark was when she saw that he needed her at the end of Apocalypse and Arctic.

So, in short, Lois' affection for Clark is based on what she has gleaned from knowing him for all of these years. Power has nothing to do with, in my view.


Then comes this season when PS3 decided that they'd like Clois and all of a sudden Lois gets interested in Clark.

It is possible for people's feelings for others to evolve over time. Are you suggesting that Lois needed more time in order to "get interested" in Clark? I mean, sometimes people feel in their hearts that they've met their soulmates after one date or one conversation. Love at first sight is even possible. There was a broad enough foundation of friendship and attraction since Season 4 for Clois to flower organically this season, IMHO. Yet, such development isn't even necessary considering there is no standard for how people should fall in love and there is certainly a precedent for love at first encounter when it comes to Lois and Clark in other media; it just happens in reverse (Clark falls for Lois instantly).


And in this season, she started seeing Clark in a different way when she saw him not wearing his usual Plaid. I guess Clark wasn't appealing enough when he looked like a farmboy.

Again, it seems that you are putting a shallow spin on what has happened this season. Lois did find Clark attractive in his more professional clothes, but she originally put him in them because she was proud of him for seeing in himself what she had already seen, which was that he was "destined for greater things in life than living on a farm" (Arctic), and wanted him to fit in and be successful at the DP. Besides, is it really wrong for her to think he looks good out of the flannel? He did, and tons of posters on this board were ecstatic to see him change out of his flannels and his red/blue jacket+tshirt combo.


And now in Bride she's caressing Clark's suit while he's not in it.

In a funny way it kind of shows that Lois is more interested in what Clark wears rather than the man he is. Just an observation.

No. Just no. Lois is not just interested in powers and she's not just interested in the clothes a man wears. She didn't like A.C. and Oliver because they were hot or rich, she liked them because she has "known a lot of guys who want to own the world, but not many that want to save it" (Aqua). She's smitten with Clark because of his heart (where she has taken to touching him e.g. Instinct, Identity, Bride instead of her typical arm punch).

And I agree with DontCha, Clark for his part, has already started to show that he is falling for Lois.

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Also all these things that happened at the end of season 7 are being totally ignored and people are screaming lightswitches..

What I find amusing is that people were crying "lightswitch!" around the time of Siren and have continued to use that term for every bit of romantic development between Clois this season. The problem is that after a certain point the term lightswitch, which refers to something sudden, ceases to be sudden if it continues to happen and to crescendo in the way that it has this season.

[kryptonaidxh]

You sure do have a poor opinnion of Clark! You actually think Clark thinks that way! That's dispicable. Just so you know, Clark's not that mean of a guy!

:Dyes, stevies always leaves in another planet, so let him dream.
we know that Clark´s TRUE love is and always has been LOIS, she´s the love partner written to be with him, and the woman destined for him, clana ended looong time ago. and after 15th episode we´re going to proove that: No one messes with Lois and Clark!:D

[new_smallville_lover]

I am new to the board... Well actually I have been a lurker for a while but I am so excited about this episode I had to comment.
I LOVED the Lois and Clark scenes. All of them. I have to say after Clark taking away Chloe's memories of his powers last week and the preview with Lana in it I was sooo close to giving up on Smallville but I was suprised by the Lana's scenes. I think it may finally be over. So Lois and Clark can finally get their real start. Hopefully

[Kal-ed]

Thanks for the opportunity to say that in this episode, ClarkMan owned lois.

Firstly, he has already heard her profess her love for him and despite her weak-minded effort to BS her way out of it, he didn't fall for her lie, got more corroboration of her luv, yet the only person that ClarkMan discussed love affairs with was Lana.

"Feelings" might be nothing more than a mildly piqued interest or a thobbin' in the knobbin'. Nothing has been defined by Clark that tells any viewer what level his interest in lois is currently.

We disagree about the stairs moment. He checks her out, that means he is looking at her body, something guys do all the time from the onset of puberty until they go blind. It means basically one thing: lust, animal attraction, the onset of rut. Nothing more.

It is lois, again, who is speechless when she regards the beauty of ClarkMan. lois characteristically has something stupid to say, this time she is quiet. Probably she is headed for rutting season also, but we already know that she has publicly proclaimed her luv for Clark, which she later reveals to Oliver.

Again, ClarkMan reads Jimmy's wedding vows, lois un-wittingly thinks Clark is speaking of her and spins around all a-gushed and even Clark knows by the doe-in-the headlights expression on her face, that lois mistakenly thought he was pledging his luv for her. He wasn't.

And there is the dance scene. Yes, he reaches out and grabs her hand as lois is about to flee the scene...Obviously, there is some interest here, or maybe just courtesy, but he pulls her in, in complete control. The shared looks, is Clark about to propose? Hell no! But knowing that lois is in heat, he is willing to draw her into his web for a kiss (it is male lust that is the prime mover), when all at once who should appear? Not Santa and 8 tiny reindeer, but Clark's True Love, Lana, and as lois fades away behind him, he fully turns his back on lois to gaze upon Lana and there are are locked on each other.

Etc., etc., etc. Until defined by ClarkMan, not lois, Lana, Oliver, little Jimmy or even non-Brainiac/addled Chloe, we do not know what level of interest Clark has in lois. He and we do know that lois is over her head into him, but he has much bigger and more important things on his mind and to accomplish than capitalizing on lois' love and he is off to try to save Chloe. Then, he will deal with the closure of his first love, who will always be the first love, affair with Lana.

The problem here, is, and you should go back and read it if it wasnt your intention, that its based on the asumption that Clark is a womanizer that goes after a vulnerable prey, when have we had a Clark like that except under red k effects??

He´s had Chloe after him for 6 season and he never took advantage of that, why would that be any diferent with Lois.

He stoped kissing a girl in Fade when he realized she was a payed escort, does that strike you as the kind of man that would give in to a mere atraction at the expence of the feelings of a friend of his.

I know you dont want it to be true but saying that Clark saw the shot and took it, just for the sake of it is false.

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In a funny way it kind of shows that Lois is more interested in what Clark wears rather than the man he is. Just an observation.

I get it when people call it a lightswitch, if you huff frown and get a sode, change the channel or fastforward during Clois scenes in previous seasons, its obvious its all one big surprise, I still get it though.

The chemestry thing is subjective, so if people see a brother and sister vibe there, I get it.

But this is just stretching it too much to fit your argument, it reminds me of the arguments that iconic Lana is the only one who cared about Clark without the powers and Lois only loved Superman, of course not trying to debate that again, it was shown countless times with countless scans, that Lois accepted Clark proposal without knowing about him being Superman, that she had a crush on Superman but loved Clark, etc. Still "there´s no blinder person that the one who chooses to not see" so we never really got anywhere with that argument.

But this clothes thing is ridiculous, its obvious it was not the suit perse but the person who was going to wear it that had her attention.

That being said I didnt like that scene it was completely OOC for Lois to do such a girly thing.

[ginevrakent]

But this clothes thing is ridiculous, its obvious it was not the suit perse but the person who was going to wear it that had her attention.

That being said I didnt like that scene it was completely OOC for Lois to do such a girly thing.

I can see where you're coming from in regards to seeing that scene as OOC for Lois. I kind of have a different point of view though. While I am no comics afficianado, I think it is in character for Lois to have done what she did with the suit. Lois Lanes to my knowledge are definitely tough and tomboyish, but there is, to use Lois' words from Bride, a "sappy" girl inside.

What comes most readily to my mind is THLois, who in one of the earliest episodes of LnC, goes home and cries over her love life by watching soap operas and eating junk food. Lois dives into her rocky road when she's feeling heartache (Siren), which to me is something seen as a very girly thing to do. MKLois acted like a lovesick teenager around Superman, and MK even said in the DVD features for S4 of Smallville that she thought that would be the way Lois would act around someone that she had a crush on or had feelings for. Of course, Lois only shows her longing in private. The tough tomboy exterior is just that, an act. When she's alone or with someone she really trusts, she breaks down. The moment Lois saw that she was being videotaped that aggressive brash girl came out and the videographer got the brunt of it.

So I guess it didn't really make Lois seem out of character (for EDLois or any other Lois) to have a private moment of girly romantic daydreaming. I think that part of her is always underneath the surface. I can understand your perspective, however.

By the way, ITA with everything else you said. Bravo!

[SteveS]

Steve, he did fall for her lie, I love how hi slook of dissapointment when she said "I slipped the sensor off my finger" is being so conveniently ignored by you.

And Faora even picked up on the feelings for her it was written ALL over his face when he thought Lois was gone completely aka DEAD and faora had taken over her body.

The level of interest he has in lois was revealed at the end of committed IMO

BUT we the audience will see it when Lois is not there, Clark will come to terms with it, say it out loud Lana will be like olliver was to Lois and so clark will move on to Lois, he will actually choose Lois over lana IMO

Nope, ClarkMan is not down on lois' I.Q. level and even a smidgen of thinking would tell him she couldn't undo the sensor off her finger, but just in case, her lubricious gushing when he read little Jimmy's vows consolidated his knowledge of her being head over heels in luv with him.

And Faora, a murderess and Mother of a monster is making not of his feelings for a human being. Faora gushes over carnage in a hospital hoping that her bouncing baby boy has murdered and maimed. From the lowness of her level, she expects a Kryptonian to have no feelings for any potential human death, she would have said the same were ClarkMan not to wise the death of anyone, man, woman or child, not just lois. Having 'feelings' for humanity in general does not mean that he thinks he is a soulmate4evah to every living being.

Again, the only person ClarkMan talks about love and marriage to in Bride is not a lois, it is Lana about Lana and about Lana having potentially being his bride had he given her the same wedding present that he gave Chloe. lois was no longer on his radar screen.;)

[Blazel]

Nope, ClarkMan is not down on lois' I.Q. level and even a smidgen of thinking would tell him she couldn't undo the sensor off her finger, but just in case, her lubricious gushing when he read little Jimmy's vows consolidated his knowledge of her being head over heels in luv with him.

And Faora, a murderess and Mother of a monster is making not of his feelings for a human being. Faora gushes over carnage in a hospital hoping that her bouncing baby boy has murdered and maimed. From the lowness of her level, she expects a Kryptonian to have no feelings for any potential human death, she would have said the same were ClarkMan not to wise the death of anyone, man, woman or child, not just lois. Having 'feelings' for humanity in general does not mean that he thinks he is a soulmate4evah to every living being.

Again, the only person ClarkMan talks about love and marriage to in Bride is not a lois, it is Lana about Lana and about Lana having potentially being his bride had he given her the same wedding present that he gave Chloe. lois was no longer on his radar screen.;)

:eek:

i guess clark is going to go after lana when she leaves Smallville, the show will then be about lois, chloe, jimmy and olliver. oh well. Loisville. o_O Do you like the sound of that? :rolleyes:

Clark has to and will get over lana in order for the show to go on, AND more importantly, in order for clark to become Superman. He has to, and he will- want to.

[SteveS]

Odds are, the show will end this next spring and your greatest hopes for a Lois & Clark are in ten year old videos.

What will never happen is that TW's Superman will never marry ED's version of lois.

[amberdawn]

lois was no longer on his radar screen.;)

You must of missed the hospital scene then. :rolleyes:

[iThieve]

I can see, said the three blind mice, why people think it's one-sided or whatever because I thought so too. I was irritated like everyone is when that chick from the Shining doesn't get the picture that Jack's gonna rip her into pieces, though ED's performance was spot on and the development of Lois' fancy was also well articulated by both writers and actor, I wanted to know where the heck is Clark in all this? While I agree with most of what's being said about his harboring feelings for Lois, I also see the reason in establishing Lois' falling first.

They kind of made a mess of things with previous leading ladies in Clark'sville wherein PS3 had to play maid and clean up. They wanted to make apparent to their viewers that the way in which Lois falls, falling, is way different then any other previous love[s] of Clark's. Lois is different in personality, character, and in love too and they wanted that well established, setting her apart from Lana, Chloe, and hell, all the other ships too, even Ollie and inanimate objects. I am sure the writers didn't just want to show Clark falling for Lois but Lois falling for Clark in way different from the others, something afresh like pinesol after a good cleaning.

So wrapping up the burrito, the first half was setting apart Lois and how she differs not only character and hair color wise but in the matters of the heart too. Because of some past relational upsets, indigestion, and diarrhea, they really had to make sure Lois was different. Thus the focal point of her feelings this half of the season.

[SteveS]

You must of missed the hospital scene then. :rolleyes:

You must have missed that the hospital scene was about rescuing Chloe and saving Jimmy's life, not about a fanciful luv life between ClarkMan and lois. He did try to reassure the poor creature though. :(

[Just Another Guy]

Nope, ClarkMan is not down on lois' I.Q. level and even a smidgen of thinking would tell him she couldn't undo the sensor off her finger, but just in case, her lubricious gushing when he read little Jimmy's vows consolidated his knowledge of her being head over heels in luv with him.

And Faora, a murderess and Mother of a monster is making not of his feelings for a human being. Faora gushes over carnage in a hospital hoping that her bouncing baby boy has murdered and maimed. From the lowness of her level, she expects a Kryptonian to have no feelings for any potential human death, she would have said the same were ClarkMan not to wise the death of anyone, man, woman or child, not just lois. Having 'feelings' for humanity in general does not mean that he thinks he is a soulmate4evah to every living being.

Again, the only person ClarkMan talks about love and marriage to in Bride is not a lois, it is Lana about Lana and about Lana having potentially being his bride had he given her the same wedding present that he gave Chloe. lois was no longer on his radar screen.;)
:confused: What? :confused:

[ginevrakent]

You must have missed that the hospital scene was about rescuing Chloe and saving Jimmy's life, not about a fanciful luv life between ClarkMan and lois. He did try to reassure the poor creature though. :(

I agree with you that the focus of the scene on the surface was on Chloe and Jimmy, but I think the lyrics of the song playing during that scene spell it out pretty clearly. I mean it literally says (and keep in mind this is sung from the male/Clark POV):

I am looking for an inspiration
And I think I found it in your heart
It's the kind of thing you get when you're not looking
It's the kind of thing you had from the start

Put me on a ship that is sinking
On a voyage to an untamed land
Take away the freedoms I wanted
I understand

Please, don't take your love away from me
Don't take your love away from me
Please don't take your love away from me

Why would PS3 want to communicate the following:

These feelings of love snuck up on Clark when he wasn't looking.
Cut to Lana the "ship that is sinking"
Longing look down the hallway at Miss Lane to the tune of "Please don't take your love away."So, while both Lois and Clark were preoccupied with their concern for Chloe and Jimmy, there was still a focus on Lois and Clark as a romantic couple that was definitely not "fanciful."

[Just Another Guy]

You must have missed that the hospital scene was about rescuing Chloe and saving Jimmy's life, not about a fanciful luv life between ClarkMan and lois. He did try to reassure the poor creature though. :(
I do feel bad for you, to be honest. Fighting a losing battle without so much as a single shell.

Seriously, why are you pretending this could ever go your way?

[minerva73]

I love you Ms.TV for broadcasting that almost Clois kiss in HD (even though the show wasn't broadcasted in it). :D

Easily it gets a 5.

[zHeN_zHeN]

Odds are, the show will end this next spring and your greatest hopes for a Lois & Clark are in ten year old videos.

What will never happen is that TW's Superman will never marry ED's version of lois.
No worries, Steve...

Even though they may never get married on screen, whose to say they won't love each other before the series ends? ;) :D



Ps. I have LnC on DVDs thank you very much. :cool:

[stump69]

I love you Ms.TV for broadcasting that almost Clois kiss in HD (even though the show wasn't broadcasted in it). :D

Easily it gets a 5.

Ummm. It definitely WAS broadcast in full HD on my local station (DC 50). I watched it via my PCTV HD system, which picks up over-the-air HD broadcasts on the computer, and it was beautiful. I record Smallville every week on the a DVD recorder (Philips DVDR3575H w/hard drive) and also on the computer just so I can see it in HD. :cool:

[amberdawn]

You must have missed that the hospital scene was about rescuing Chloe and saving Jimmy's life, not about a fanciful luv life between ClarkMan and lois. He did try to reassure the poor creature though. :(

I'm not even gonna argue with you. It's pointless. You believe what you want and so will I.

[La Donna]

I wish Lana, Chloe and Lois weren't always being measured against each other in every argument. Sheesh! Clark can love Lois without it being a slight on Lana or Chloe. Just like Clark can care and protect his best friend Chloe without it being a slight on Lois or Lana. Clark can also care about and be heart broken by Lana without it being a slight on Lois or Chloe. No matter what happens between Clois, Lana will always remain a part of Clark's life and someone he will always care about. No matter what happens with Clois, Chloe will always be his friend and he will love her like family his whole life. And finally, no matter what happens with Clana or Chlark or Chimmy, you can't act as though Lois and Clark don't end up together. You just can't. If you do, it would be the exact same as saying Ollie will end up Superman, or Lana will end up Lois, or Chloe was Brainiac all along, or Jimmy will become Perry White, or Clark will die fighting doomsday and Superman will have never come to pass, etc.

Lana's stories always annoy me somewhat in how Clark reacts to them, but I don't hate Lana. I enjoyed some of what she did, even the Lexana (I realize I may be the only one who enjoyed that, though). I just never cared for Clark's behavior during the Lana plots. I don't think PS3 are trying to destroy Lana in any way, I think they want her character to go out with grace and compassion. This isn't Lana/Lois equals Satin/Angel. Their relationships are so complicated that it's not that easy. Instead, the judgement call comes from which relationship is healthier and better for Clark, but most importantly and what cannot be denied is where the characters end up in the mythos.

I loved Chlark in season 1 and 2, and hoped they would pair up romantically. After that, I loved Chlark as a friendship, and still do. They have been my favorite relationship on this show. I love how Clois is coming about this season and think it has evolved perfectly. This doesn't change how I feel about Chlark or even Clana. It's not always that one is the best best best and so therefore the other is the worst worst worst!

And I also agree with what someone said up thread about fast-forwarding through Clois scenes. If you are going to do that, than please state it up front so that we know your point of view is coming from the perspective of someone who hasn't actually seen their interaction. I could tell you what my neighbor thinks of Clois on Smallville, even though they don't watch the show, but why would I mention their opinion if they haven't seen it? And if I did mention their opinion, it would be best if I first explained that they had never seen any Clois scenes, yet they still feel this way about the scenes on Smallville.

[SnowBird]

Very well said La Donna...I don't dislike any of the characters on SV. They each have their part to play and I go along for the ride:)

[LovelyLoisLane]

I'm not even gonna argue with you. It's pointless. You believe what you want and so will I.

True . . . but only 'one' can be the Highlander. :p

You're odds on favorite. ;)

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I could tell you what my neighbor thinks of Clois on Smallville, even though they don't watch the show, but why would I mention their opinion if they haven't seen it? And if I did mention their opinion, it would be best if I first explained that they had never seen any Clois scenes, yet they still feel this way about the scenes on Smallville.


I had a friend in Highschool that kept telling me how much she hated Star Wars. She'd tell me how lame Luke Skywalker was or how Darth Vader was the dumbest villain ever, having heard about them from other people. So when I asked her if she'd ever actually 'seen' Star Wars, she said "No, but from what other people tell me, I hate it." She didn't even know what Darth Vader looked like so I keep wondering if she was living under a rock for most of her life.

So anyway, awhile later, after a sleepover at my house, I got up before she did and was watching Star Wars Special Edition DVD's that I got for my birthday. She woke up about halfway into "Empire Strikes Back", sat down with me and watched it. I never said what I was watching and I figured she'd get disinterested and ask to play video games. (Yes, Chicks play games) She didn't though. She sat right there and watched it with me for a while, towards the end of the movie she says "This is pretty cool, what is it?" I grinned the biggest, impish grin you'd ever seen and said. "It's Star Wars."

The moral of that story? You can't say you hate a movie or a show or even a scene unless you've actually seen it. You can say it doesn't look like something you'd be interested in but until you experience it you even really know.

[davidbrenton]

I agree with you that the focus of the scene on the surface was on Chloe and Jimmy, but I think the lyrics of the song playing during that scene spell it out pretty clearly. I mean it literally says (and keep in mind this is sung from the male/Clark POV):

I am looking for an inspiration
And I think I found it in your heart
It's the kind of thing you get when you're not looking
It's the kind of thing you had from the start

Put me on a ship that is sinking
On a voyage to an untamed land
Take away the freedoms I wanted
I understand

Please, don't take your love away from me
Don't take your love away from me
Please don't take your love away from me

Why would PS3 want to communicate the following:

These feelings of love snuck up on Clark when he wasn't looking.
Cut to Lana the "ship that is sinking"
Longing look down the hallway at Miss Lane to the tune of "Please don't take your love away."So, while both Lois and Clark were preoccupied with their concern for Chloe and Jimmy, there was still a focus on Lois and Clark as a romantic couple that was definitely not "fanciful."

WOW. AMESOME INVESTIGATIVE WORK. I'M SPEECHLESS!


--Yes surface = Chloe/Jimmy + Monster. Underneath writing, acting, directing and NOW SONG the subtext was Clois.

[amberdawn]

True . . . but only 'one' can be the Highlander. :p

You're odds on favorite. ;)


:rotfl: I love you.

[DontCha]

Odds are, the show will end this next spring and your greatest hopes for a Lois & Clark are in ten year old videos.

What will never happen is that TW's Superman will never marry ED's version of lois.


I dont care if they dont marry, to be honest with you the second they get together is the second the whole relationship gets boring..they'll probably be in lovwe with one another but still refuse to get together at this point.

I just like seeing the awkwardness, and hey a kiss in the last episode which I am certain WILL happen will be enough for most clois fans.

Clois is the love story of this season.

not Clana OR Chlark..how can it POSSIBLY be about Clana when Lana is only there for 5 episodes of 22, and how can it possibly be Chlark now that Chloe is married to Jimmy Olsen?:lol:

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I agree with you that the focus of the scene on the surface was on Chloe and Jimmy, but I think the lyrics of the song playing during that scene spell it out pretty clearly. I mean it literally says (and keep in mind this is sung from the male/Clark POV):

I am looking for an inspiration
And I think I found it in your heart
It's the kind of thing you get when you're not looking
It's the kind of thing you had from the start

Put me on a ship that is sinking
On a voyage to an untamed land
Take away the freedoms I wanted
I understand

Please, don't take your love away from me
Don't take your love away from me
Please don't take your love away from me

Why would PS3 want to communicate the following:

These feelings of love snuck up on Clark when he wasn't looking.
Cut to Lana the "ship that is sinking"
Longing look down the hallway at Miss Lane to the tune of "Please don't take your love away."So, while both Lois and Clark were preoccupied with their concern for Chloe and Jimmy, there was still a focus on Lois and Clark as a romantic couple that was definitely not "fanciful."

Yes I think the song was chosen perfectly annd placed perfectly among those closing scenes

Just as it cuts to Lex all tied up with tubes, unable to move it says in Lex's PoV:
"put me inside flesh that is dying"
"a ghost who wonders without rest"
which strongly solidifies Lex's presence being felt throughout the season though you dont actually see him..

Also it says as it cuts to Lana
"put me on a ship that is sinking(lana)
"On a voyage to an untamed Land"(lois)

[LCforever]

I was singing "Please, don't take Clois away from me!" haha jk!

erghh....5 episodes.......2 months......can't....stand...it! :o

[Loisdragon]

I was singing "Please, don't take Clois away from me!" haha jk!

erghh....5 episodes.......2 months......can't....stand...it! :o

LFMAO. I like how you change the word to the song. i like

[All about Clark]

You must have missed that the hospital scene was about rescuing Chloe and saving Jimmy's life, not about a fanciful luv life between ClarkMan and lois. He did try to reassure the poor creature though. :(

I actually feel sorry for you dude.

[dalbajr]

Even though they may never get married on screen, whose to say they won't love each other before the series ends? ;) :D

Maybe they will get married if in a few years they decide to make the film Smallville: The Movie... It could happen :)

[alejandrita439]

^ i hope that :D

[The Icon]

Did anyone else notice when Lois was fixing Clark's cufflink and was going on about "keep it straight up, and it slides right in," that when she realized how what she was saying sounded like she gave this look to Clark that almost perfectly replicated the look Lois gave Superman in the first movie when she asked him if he "liked pink"?

Maybe I'm crazy but I thought that was a nice touch.

[alejandrita439]

^ aww... youre right :)

i love tha clois scenes :D:D

[eas]

What I find amusing is that people were crying "lightswitch!" around the time of Siren and have continued to use that term for every bit of romantic development between Clois this season. The problem is that after a certain point the term lightswitch, which refers to something sudden, ceases to be sudden if it continues to happen and to crescendo in the way that it has this season.

Very true -- at some point, one has to accept that the lights have been on for awhile & will continue to stay on.

[geminis]

Very true -- at some point, one has to accept that the lights have been on for awhile & will continue to stay on.

Yup. Chloe, Lana, perhaps Tess, and even Maxima may flicker or dim the lights slightly, but they're definitely on and will keep on getting brighter.

[smallville300]

Hey does anyone else think that lois emotions were to force with way she feels for clark?:confused:

[RedKRules]

I think so, somebody pressed the FF button! :lol:

[Just Another Guy]

No.

We've seen Lois in two separate relationships. One with Oliver, one with Grant Gabriel. She's proven herself to be an emotionally insecure romantic who tries to hide her feelings behind her usually tough exterior. Every time she missed out with a guy ("Justice," "Gemini," "Siren"), she had a hard time with it, and seemed to think less of herself.

Lois has known Clark for several years, and just recently admitted her feelings about him to herself. (This is after a growing friendship, especially in season 7.) I know for a fact that a personal admission can totally change your attitude about someone, especially when there's no one else around. And since Clark has always been the last person she sought a relationship with (though hints of their feelings for each other have always been there), it would make it that much more intimidating for Lois to have to deal with.

We shouldn't be looking at this as if Lois' feelings came out of nowhere. We ought to realize, by her attitude shift, just how overwhelming this must be.

[borednow]

no

[ginnyfan]

No.

We've seen Lois in two separate relationships. One with Oliver, one with Grant Gabriel. She's proven herself to be an emotionally insecure romantic who tries to hide her feelings behind her usually tough exterior. Every time she missed out with a guy ("Justice," "Gemini," "Siren"), she had a hard time with it, and seemed to think less of herself.

Lois has known Clark for several years, and just recently admitted her feelings about him to herself. (This is after a growing friendship, especially in season 7.) I know for a fact that a personal admission can totally change your attitude about someone, especially when there's no one else around. And since Clark has always been the last person she sought a relationship with (though hints of their feelings for each other have always been there), it would make it that much more intimidating for Lois to have to deal with.

We shouldn't be looking at this as if Lois' feelings came out of nowhere. We ought to realize, by her attitude shift, just how overwhelming this must be.

Great post.

[Just Another Guy]

Great post.
Why, thank you. :)

[EternalTwilight]

We shouldn't be looking at this as if Lois' feelings came out of nowhere. We ought to realize, by her attitude shift, just how overwhelming this must be.

I think this pretty much sums it all up. Thank you!

[Just Another Guy]

I think this pretty much sums it all up. Thank you!
Why, you're welcome. :)

[Jedimaster_TTBaby]

No.

We've seen Lois in two separate relationships. One with Oliver, one with Grant Gabriel. She's proven herself to be an emotionally insecure romantic who tries to hide her feelings behind her usually tough exterior. Every time she missed out with a guy ("Justice," "Gemini," "Siren"), she had a hard time with it, and seemed to think less of herself.

Lois has known Clark for several years, and just recently admitted her feelings about him to herself. (This is after a growing friendship, especially in season 7.) I know for a fact that a personal admission can totally change your attitude about someone, especially when there's no one else around. And since Clark has always been the last person she sought a relationship with (though hints of their feelings for each other have always been there), it would make it that much more intimidating for Lois to have to deal with.

We shouldn't be looking at this as if Lois' feelings came out of nowhere. We ought to realize, by her attitude shift, just how overwhelming this must be.

Very true. I think Lois may be afraid to loose Clark in some ways.

[devilneedsaride]

IMO, It's less that they feel "forced" in a it-doesn't-make-sense-that-she-has-them kind of way, and more like TPTB are taking what initially felt like a totally natural progression of emotions between Clark and Lois, and instead of letting it just happen in a way that felt realistic, they started overusing foreshadowing and catchphrases to push them together. They don't NEED to be pushed together, they already have good chemistry and they fall together naturally. Just let it happen guys.

Additionally I think they made Lois look kind of like a simpering wimp in this latest episode, but that's just me :rolleyes:

My .02

[eas]

IMO, It's less that they feel "forced" in a it-doesn't-make-sense-that-she-has-them kind of way, and more like TPTB are taking what initially felt like a totally natural progression of emotions between Clark and Lois, and instead of letting it just happen in a way that felt realistic, they started overusing foreshadowing and catchphrases to push them together. They don't NEED to be pushed together, they already have good chemistry and they fall together naturally. Just let it happen guys.

Additionally I think they made Lois look kind of like a simpering wimp in this latest episode, but that's just me :rolleyes:

My .02

Yeah, I agree. With both things. I'm a Cloiser, but the whole "Lois and Clark" phrases are starting to annoy even me. Less telling and more showing, please. (Actually, tone it down with the Lois-showing. Start up the Clark-showing.)

Also, I think that they went overboard with the intensity of Lois's feelings. We get it - she has feelings for him and they scare her!!! Enough already... especially since the reaction from Clark's side is not at the same level.

[devilneedsaride]

Yeah, I agree. With both things. I'm a Cloiser, but the whole "Lois and Clark" phrases are starting to annoy even me. Less telling and more showing, please. (Actually, tone it down with the Lois-showing. Start up the Clark-showing.)

Also, I think that they went overboard with the intensity of Lois's feelings. We get it - she has feelings for him and they scare her!!! Enough already... especially since the reaction from Clark's side is not at the same level.

Yeah, or at least its not being shown to the same degree. It's weird, because the way they showed Lois with Oliver and earlier in this season with Clark seemed pretty natural and in character, but in this episode it was like:

Enter Clark stage right.

Exit Lois's Personality, stage left.

It's like okay, she's in love. We get it, we're cool with it. If we're Cloisers we like it. But dangit, we like her personality more. It's just too OOC for her to be all quivery or whatever whenever Clark breathes in her direction. Have some snark, woman, that's why we love you.

[eas]

Yeah, or at least its not being shown to the same degree. It's weird, because the way they showed Lois with Oliver and earlier in this season with Clark seemed pretty natural and in character, but in this episode it was like:

Enter Clark stage right.

Exit Lois's Personality, stage left.

It's like okay, she's in love. We get it, we're cool with it. If we're Cloisers we like it. But dangit, we like her personality more. It's just too OOC for her to be all quivery or whatever whenever Clark breathes in her direction. Have some snark, woman, that's why we love you.

:rotfl:

EXCELLENT post!!! I was like, "Good God, woman, get a hold of yourself!!"

To me, I think it was two scenes that made me cringe: (1) The shirt stroking scene. I was like, "WTF?" and (2) He reads Jimmy's vows and she thinks he's talking to her! I was like, "Lois, that's basically a marriage proposal... and you KNOW he didn't fall in love with you at first sight... you didn't, either. Lust maybe (he was naked, after all) but not LOVE. What is WRONG with you!!"

The checking each other out scene; the dance scene; and the ending scene were done well... but those two scenes were really poorly written, imo. Lois was very OOC.

It's funny how Lois is being critsized (in another thread) for making the comment about him hogging the video. Some folks didn't like it, but I almost cheered. I was like, "Thank God, she had that one moment of snark. Otherwise, I would have thought she was a clone and about to start eating frogs any minute now."

[devilneedsaride]

:rotfl:

EXCELLENT post!!! I was like, "Good God, woman, get a hold of yourself!!"

To me, I think it was two scenes that made me cringe: (1) The shirt stroking scene. I was like, "WTF?" and (2) He reads Jimmy's vows and she thinks he's talking to her! I was like, "Lois, that's basically a marriage proposal... and you KNOW he didn't fall in love with you at first sight... you didn't, either. Lust maybe (he was naked, after all) but not LOVE. What is WRONG with you!!"

The checking each other out scene; the dance scene; and the ending scene were done well... but those two scenes were really poorly written, imo. Lois was very OOC.

Seriously, the whole fake proposal thing was actually painful for me to watch. It was so wrong. Lois is too smart to hand a guy some wedding vows, hear him clearly SPEAKING WEDDING VOWS and then think he's talking to her. Good grief. That scene would have been below Lana, imo, and she's much more the girly/dreamy type.



It's funny how Lois is being critsized (in another thread) for making the comment about him hogging the video. Some folks didn't like it, but I almost cheered. I was like, "Thank God, she had that one moment of snark. Otherwise, I would have thought she was a clone and about to start eating frogs any minute now."

Seriously. That bit and the "make sure it's sticking up, then slide it in!" and the expression on her face immediately afterwards were the only Lois parts of this episode that felt true to her character. She's Lois Lane, she doesn't completely forget all semblance of dignity when a pretty guy makes goo-goo eyes at her.

Oh, and :lol: at the frog-eating clone reference.:D

[DontCha]

to me it was kind of obvious that this whole love thing for clark was beginning to REALLY get to her. This is a HUGE thing for her, she's behaving this way because it snuck up on her with the person she least expected and its been growing and growing.

She IS a girl, she has snark with things but thats not really her, thats just a wall she has to protect her soul.

The fact her love for clark is creeping over these walls in such a huge way is a GOOD thing. because it means she has never felt this way about any other man but Clark, its true LOVE

[eas]

to me it was kind of obvious that this whole love thing for clark was beginning to REALLY get to her. This is a HUGE thing for her, she's behaving this way because it snuck up on her with the person she least expected and its been growing and growing.

She IS a girl, she has snark with things but thats not really her, thats just a wall she has to protect her soul.

The fact her love for clark is creeping over these walls in such a huge way is a GOOD thing. because it means she has never felt this way about any other man but Clark, its true LOVE

I know how you feel about this, DontCha, but I gotta say that I disagree. Yes, she's feeling stuff for him. Yes, the feelings are intense.

But stroking his SUIT that just came from the dry cleaners??? No way.... that is not Lois Lane. That was completely off the wall & OOC.

I see her snark as being very much her personality, and I think she would be more prone to looking at his suit and sighing, "Damn, he's gonna look good, isn't he? Damn him." And that's pretty much it... the dreamy eyed look? Way over the top.

Also, the whole thing whole thing with the proposal? Not needed... I expected her to look confused and surprised... that would have made sense. Her going, "What?" and then turning around, and seeing he was reading the vows. And, then, she could kind of laugh it off and go weakly, "Um.. that was weird. But, yeah, in what universe would you say that to me?"

Both those scenes could have been handled much better, in character. They didn't, though, because "SV" writers use a sledgehammer when a regular hammer would have done it better.

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Seriously. That bit and the "make sure it's sticking up, then slide it in!" and the expression on her face immediately afterwards were the only Lois parts of this episode that felt true to her character. She's Lois Lane, she doesn't completely forget all semblance of dignity when a pretty guy makes goo-goo eyes at her.

Oh, and :lol: at the frog-eating clone reference.:D

Yeah. I agree.

And you caught it! :D

[devilneedsaride]

to me it was kind of obvious that this whole love thing for clark was beginning to REALLY get to her. This is a HUGE thing for her, she's behaving this way because it snuck up on her with the person she least expected and its been growing and growing.

She IS a girl, she has snark with things but thats not really her, thats just a wall she has to protect her soul.

The fact her love for clark is creeping over these walls in such a huge way is a GOOD thing. because it means she has never felt this way about any other man but Clark, its true LOVE

Personally, it would make more sense to me if the unforeseen intensity of her emotions made her personal walls suddenly go sky-high rather than just drop. Isn't that why she has them? To protect her from situations where she could get hurt? And isn't she at huge risk of getting hurt here because her feelings are so intense? It seems like the walls should go down AFTER they're together, talking about it, comfortable with each other, making with the nookie, etc. Right now she's uncomfortable and uncertain about her feelings, she has very little idea what he's thinking and so that makes the situation threatening, emotionally. It seems to me like she should be erecting a Great Wall of China made entirely of uncomfortable babbling.

[eas]

It seems to me like she should be erecting a Great Wall of China made entirely of uncomfortable babbling.

Yup... that's exactly what I was expecting, too.

[devilneedsaride]

Yup... that's exactly what I was expecting, too.

That's part of why I love Crusade so much. There's this hospital scene where he's staring at her and she just starts TALKING. It's about her father or cigarettes or cheez whiz or something and it's just wonderful. And he's all "You talk a lot" and she's like "I hate uncomfortable silences!" and I was like "Oh my god, I love you."

Not that I don't also love the sort of cool and collected, mildly flirtatious Lois that we've been seeing in Season 8. It's been pretty awesome to watch her kinda stalk Clark in this sort of innocuous "I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but it sure is fun" way. It seems a lot more in keeping with her character than the recent swooning. But she still has her wordvomit I-did-not-just-say-that-out-loud moments, and those have got to stick around.

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

I think the reason why Lois's wall didnt go up like the Great Wall of China is that she feels comfortable around Clark and Clark feels comfortable around Lois. That have about 4 years of friendship and it kind of make ssense. Each has been there for one another when they need to talk about their ex love and to give a good hug.

Plus they've seen eachother naked....

[Crouching Lurker]

I voted for "Loved It". I've been waiting for a long time for these two to make some romantic progress.

[Indira Kal]

i must be the only one who interpreted the "vow scene" as Lois heraqing clark reading them ,"knowing" they are meant from jimmy to chloe, but hearing him SPEAK the words touched her because they were so romantic and intense. The fact that Clark was just saying them made her feel all giddy, not that she thought he was saying them to HER...

was my perspective here all off then?

[eas]

That's part of why I love Crusade so much. There's this hospital scene where he's staring at her and she just starts TALKING. It's about her father or cigarettes or cheez whiz or something and it's just wonderful. And he's all "You talk a lot" and she's like "I hate uncomfortable silences!" and I was like "Oh my god, I love you."

LOL! That's a great way to describe it. I love that scene. I also love how she gets in his way and tells him that he'll have to move her. And so he grabs her shoulders, picks her up, and moves her away. I LOVE the expression on her face. Like, "Whoa... that was kind of hot."


Not that I don't also love the sort of cool and collected, mildly flirtatious Lois that we've been seeing in Season 8. It's been pretty awesome to watch her kinda stalk Clark in this sort of innocuous "I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but it sure is fun" way. It seems a lot more in keeping with her character than the recent swooning. But she still has her wordvomit I-did-not-just-say-that-out-loud moments, and those have got to stick around.

Yeah... that's why I loved the cufflink moment... because that was classic SVLois. Here she is, focused on helping him put it on, and it's like "whoops... did I just say that? Crap."

The reason I loved "Committed" so much was the part where she was teasing Clark. I loved the part in the ring shop, because she's being so giddy while making fun of him. And he's retaliating in kind.

THAT'S what I want my "Lois in love" to be like.

"Who's the luckiest girl in the world?" *big, bright, grin* "I AM!"

:rotfl:

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i must be the only one who interpreted the "vow scene" as Lois heraqing clark reading them ,"knowing" they are meant from jimmy to chloe, but hearing him SPEAK the words touched her because they were so romantic and intense. The fact that Clark was just saying them made her feel all giddy, not that she thought he was saying them to HER...

was my perspective here all off then?

Umm... that's an interesting interpetation. Honestly, I never even though of it that way. I think the reason why everyone assumes that she thought he was talking to her was because of the huge smile that spreads across her face & the look she gives him when turns around. Then, when she realizes that he's reading, her face kind of drops.

I think the point where she got touched about him being sweet was when he gave the flower to Chloe.

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I agree with you that the focus of the scene on the surface was on Chloe and Jimmy, but I think the lyrics of the song playing during that scene spell it out pretty clearly. I mean it literally says (and keep in mind this is sung from the male/Clark POV):

I am looking for an inspiration
And I think I found it in your heart
It's the kind of thing you get when you're not looking
It's the kind of thing you had from the start

Put me on a ship that is sinking
On a voyage to an untamed land
Take away the freedoms I wanted
I understand

Please, don't take your love away from me
Don't take your love away from me
Please don't take your love away from me

Why would PS3 want to communicate the following:

These feelings of love snuck up on Clark when he wasn't looking.
Cut to Lana the "ship that is sinking"
Longing look down the hallway at Miss Lane to the tune of "Please don't take your love away."



I definitely agree that the song served to show us Clark's POV towards Lois. Especially the part, "It's the kind of thing you get when you're not looking; It's the kind of thing you had from the start."

I thought that was interesting, because it showed how Clark suddenly realized that he had what he was looking for all along with Lois... not just at the moment, but from the beginning. That was apt, given that they've been friends for so long & are now in the romantic stage of their relationship. Like, he was blind to the fact that his soul-mate was there all along. (Or, in his case, his Harley. ;) )

I have to say, though... I would have liked this sort of acknowledgement from him a bit EARLIER than the final 2 seconds of "Bride". I'm just sayin'....

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So anyway, awhile later, after a sleepover at my house, I got up before she did and was watching Star Wars Special Edition DVD's that I got for my birthday. She woke up about halfway into "Empire Strikes Back", sat down with me and watched it. I never said what I was watching and I figured she'd get disinterested and ask to play video games. (Yes, Chicks play games) She didn't though. She sat right there and watched it with me for a while, towards the end of the movie she says "This is pretty cool, what is it?" I grinned the biggest, impish grin you'd ever seen and said. "It's Star Wars."

The moral of that story? You can't say you hate a movie or a show or even a scene unless you've actually seen it. You can say it doesn't look like something you'd be interested in but until you experience it you even really know.

Smart, Triple L... you had her sit down to "Empire Strikes Back". Imagine if it had been "Attack of the Clones". *shudder* Or the Ewok scenes in "Return of the Jedi". :lol:

[Clois4eva89]

This episode reminded me alot of the episode Tempest from Season One.But for different reasons we could see Lois lying to herself,about her feelings for Clark. I found it cute when Lois threatened to beat up the cameraman,when she was caught admiring Clark's suit from the cleaners. It made me think she's still got that army brat still inside her. Which shows she keeps her true feelings hidden deep down,but I still enjoyed the moment.Where Lois warmed up to the idea that Jimmy said,Clark annoying her was his way.Of saying he sees her as more than just a friend,it makes me wonder.If Clark and Lois will go on a date later this season?

[eas]

This episode reminded me alot of the episode Tempest from Season One.But for different reasons we could see Lois lying to herself,about her feelings for Clark. I found it cute when Lois threatened to beat up the cameraman,when she was caught admiring Clark's suit from the cleaners. It made me think she's still got that army brat still inside her. Which shows she keeps her true feelings hidden deep down,but I still enjoyed the moment.Where Lois warmed up to the idea that Jimmy said,Clark annoying her was his way.Of saying he sees her as more than just a friend,it makes me wonder.If Clark and Lois will go on a date later this season?

Well, some of my fellow Clois friends and I are in much debate over this.

Some think it'll go as far as a wedding. Others (like me) think they'll declare their love in the final 2 minutes of the series.

I guess it's anyone guess, at this point. They've already gone a LOT farther with roma Clois than I ever thought they would.

[dalbajr]

This episode reminded me alot of the episode Tempest from Season One.But for different reasons we could see Lois lying to herself,about her feelings for Clark. I found it cute when Lois threatened to beat up the cameraman,when she was caught admiring Clark's suit from the cleaners. It made me think she's still got that army brat still inside her. Which shows she keeps her true feelings hidden deep down,but I still enjoyed the moment.Where Lois warmed up to the idea that Jimmy said,Clark annoying her was his way.Of saying he sees her as more than just a friend,it makes me wonder.If Clark and Lois will go on a date later this season?

I have said this before and I still believe that in 8-16 which I believe will be a Valentine's Day episode, I expect Clark to invite Lois for a romantic dinner.
Some don't think that it will be a Valentine's day episode.
I say yes because:
1. It will air on 2/19/09
2. If this season's theme is Clois then it makes sense for them to have a Valentine's day episode along with a Roma Clois kiss.
3. TW is directing it. Wasn't he the director of Hydro which produced the first Clois kiss? :):D

[Clois4eva89]

I have said this before and I still believe that in 8-16 which I believe will be a Valentine's Day episode, I expect Clark to invite Lois for a romantic dinner.
Some don't think that it will be a Valentine's day episode.
I say yes because:
1. It will air on 2/19/09
2. If this season's theme is Clois then it makes sense for them to have a Valentine's day episode along with a Roma Clois kiss.
3. TW is directing it. Wasn't he the director of Hydro which produced the first Clois kiss? :):D

I like the idea dalbajr but it would have to be different from Season 6 Crimson.It all depends on how far the can use the Clois.Since the show isn't going by the traditions,I wouldn't mind a relationship happening.Before Clark gets his alias as Superman we'll have to wait and see,I hope it is a Clois episode. Tom has done a great job with Hydro,Fragile,and Apocalypse,so I wonder what Season 8's title will be?

[LovelyLoisLane]

It's like okay, she's in love. We get it, we're cool with it. If we're Cloisers we like it. But dangit, we like her personality more. It's just too OOC for her to be all quivery or whatever whenever Clark breathes in her direction. Have some snark, woman, that's why we love you.

I know, I sound like a broken record . . . but I REALLY really think that I'll get my tough-as-nails Lois back in shape when she returns. I think we were allowed to see her this vulnerable so it is understandable to the audience that she is even more closed off than she was before.

She was sad in that last scene, but she steeled herself anyway walked with her shoulders straight. I think when she comes back she's going to be' you know what? the hell with romance! I'm a reporter, I'm a DAMN good reporter and I'm going start proving it!' and we'll see her more into her work and trying even harder to get the first interview with the Good Samaritan, which traditionally Lois gets the first Superman interview, so I'd like to see that happen on the show.

I think it might also be the start of the two person love triangle that comic fans are well familiar with. With Lois seeing in Superman, or the Good Samaritan in this case, a man she can finally count on, a man that is around when he's needed.

I don't know any of that but my gut is SCREAMING it out.

But enough speculation, I'll just wait until Lois' return episode airs.

[devilneedsaride]

I know, I sound like a broken record . . . but I REALLY really think that I'll get my tough-as-nails Lois back in shape when she returns.

*crosses fingers* please be right... please be right... please be right...

Although I've got to say I've never been a huge fan of the two-person love triangle. It's always made Lois look awfully shallow. If they bring it into SV I hope they manage to do it in a way that doesn't seem to degrade her character.

[Just Another Guy]

*crosses fingers* please be right... please be right... please be right...

Although I've got to say I've never been a huge fan of the two-person love triangle. It's always made Lois look awfully shallow. If they bring it into SV I hope they manage to do it in a way that doesn't seem to degrade her character.
I can understand the shallow aspect, but Lois doesn't seem shallow on "Smallville." She's finally fallen for an old friend, in whom she was never interested. And it's Clark. Not Superman. You ought to be happy about this.

[devilneedsaride]

I can understand the shallow aspect, but Lois doesn't seem shallow on "Smallville." She's finally fallen for an old friend, in whom she was never interested. And it's Clark. Not Superman. You ought to be happy about this.

Oh I am. I adore EDLois, and I love the SV Clois so far, I'm just saying that I hope they don't ruin it in the future by accidentally making her look shallow.

[DontCha]

Personally, it would make more sense to me if the unforeseen intensity of her emotions made her personal walls suddenly go sky-high rather than just drop. Isn't that why she has them? To protect her from situations where she could get hurt? And isn't she at huge risk of getting hurt here because her feelings are so intense? It seems like the walls should go down AFTER they're together, talking about it, comfortable with each other, making with the nookie, etc. Right now she's uncomfortable and uncertain about her feelings, she has very little idea what he's thinking and so that makes the situation threatening, emotionally. It seems to me like she should be erecting a Great Wall of China made entirely of uncomfortable babbling.


Oh trust me they will be sky high the second she comes back..she slipped up, she let him see her soul, he "rejected" her and so when she comes back they will be higher than mountains and he will have to crack them down.

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I know how you feel about this, DontCha, but I gotta say that I disagree. Yes, she's feeling stuff for him. Yes, the feelings are intense.

But stroking his SUIT that just came from the dry cleaners??? No way.... that is not Lois Lane. That was completely off the wall & OOC.

I see her snark as being very much her personality, and I think she would be more prone to looking at his suit and sighing, "Damn, he's gonna look good, isn't he? Damn him." And that's pretty much it... the dreamy eyed look? Way over the top.

Also, the whole thing whole thing with the proposal? Not needed... I expected her to look confused and surprised... that would have made sense. Her going, "What?" and then turning around, and seeing he was reading the vows. And, then, she could kind of laugh it off and go weakly, "Um.. that was weird. But, yeah, in what universe would you say that to me?"

Both those scenes could have been handled much better, in character. They didn't, though, because "SV" writers use a sledgehammer when a regular hammer would have done it better.

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the two things I bolded, i do actually agree with, I cringed a bit but when people are in love all other things go out the window and your emotions are often uncontrolable.

Im usually one to hide my emotions as best i can but I got a little snifter of attention from someone I really like and I totally lost my cool and did similar things to what Lois did haha...so i can kinda understand it with Lois, it was out of character..but they've done this for a reason, its so that when she comes back she will be way more careful.

If i see this guy again, im going to have walls up.

[eas]

Oh I am. I adore EDLois, and I love the SV Clois so far, I'm just saying that I hope they don't ruin it in the future by accidentally making her look shallow.

Well, if there is one silver lining to her massive crush, it's that SVLois can never be accused of being shallow.

She has fallen in love with Clark Kent - the bumbling farm boy - and, later on, she'll develop feelings for a super-powered man. It turns out to be her lucky day that the two men are one and the same - just the two different sides of the same man.

On Clark's part, he's lucky that he fell in love with a girl who loves ALL aspects of his life - without revering him as a god or treating him as some sort of monster. This is something, I think, that has been missing with his other relationships. Other girls (imo) cannot handle both sides of the man. The man and the superman. Lois, I think, will be able to do that, and that's why they went out of the way to show how much she loves Clark Kent.

We already got foreshadowing of this when she made the comment about Ollie: "I swear, if that man told me he was from Mars, I'd find a way to shrug it off as an endearing quirk!"

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the two things I bolded, i do actually agree with, I cringed a bit but when people are in love all other things go out the window and your emotions are often uncontrolable.

Im usually one to hide my emotions as best i can but I got a little snifter of attention from someone I really like and I totally lost my cool and did similar things to what Lois did haha...so i can kinda understand it with Lois, it was out of character..but they've done this for a reason, its so that when she comes back she will be way more careful.

If i see this guy again, im going to have walls up.

Yeah, but I think what some of us are saying is that it's OOC for Lois to bring her walls crashing down as much as she did. When I think of Lois Lane, I don't think of a moony-eyed girl who is doing cringe-worthy stuff. Maybe THLois used to do stuff like that with Superman, but I kind of hated that about THLois.

To me, LL's MO is more to the kind that happened in "Instinct". She saw him making out with another girl and then just went ballistic and in jealous rage. To me, that's more LL's way of showing love for a guy.

I stand by it: I can't justify her behaviour in these instances, so I'm going to say that the writers dropped the ball & went overboard in trying to convey the depth of her love. There were other ways of doing it that were more in-character when it comes to SVLois.

In your case, I can certainly understand why you did it. I'm just saying that how you or I would handle a crush is not the same as the way Lois Lane handles a crush. Lois Lane treats her crushes like dirt (Ollie... exhibit A; Grant... Exhibit B; A.C.... Exhibit C) and she doesn't become a moon-eyed idiot around them, stroking their clothes. I'm sorry, she just doesn't. She'll flirt. She'll bat her eyelashes. She'll be sexy and desirable. She'll care about how she looks and she'll bite her lip. But she'll also insult them, treat them like crap, and be very forthright about how she feels & give them a look like they're a moron for not getting it.

The way she's acting with Clark? Not making much sense, within the context of "Bride". All the episodes leading up to that? Yes, she was acting like LL in love. But not in "Bride"... in "Bride", it looked like she's been taken over by a heroine in a romance novel.

[adznufc9]

I see what your saying but Clark is different to Ollie and Grant. She had feelings for those guys but not as intense as she does for Clark, that is why she is acting like she does in 'Bride'. The problem is people keep comparing the Smallville characters to the older ones. This is Smallvilles interpretation of Lois Lane 'she strokes clothes' and 'looked like she's been taken over by a heroine in a romance novel' but thats the way we all like her. If she treated Clark like crap we would be on here complaining about that. You got to take Smallville as it is a young generation tv show.

[DontCha]

yeah, lois gets angry when she loves someone, but that usually happens when she first realizes it or if it takes her by surprise I think by the point of bride she so far gone with it that its stating to ache. And its clark, her soulmate, noy just any other random guy she dates.

She'll be teating him like crap the moment she gets back lol

IMO this was all just a set up to the chase..

[eas]

I see what your saying but Clark is different to Ollie and Grant. She had feelings for those guys but not as intense as she does for Clark, that is why she is acting like she does in 'Bride'. The problem is people keep comparing the Smallville characters to the older ones. This is Smallvilles interpretation of Lois Lane 'she strokes clothes' and 'looked like she's been taken over by a heroine in a romance novel' but thats the way we all like her. If she treated Clark like crap we would be on here complaining about that. You got to take Smallville as it is a young generation tv show.

But I am comparing her to SVLois. I'm not comparing her to other Lois Lanes -- I'm saying that, within the context of SVLois's character, she was acting out of character. I'm comparing her to herself.

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yeah, lois gets angry when she loves someone, but that usually happens when she first realizes it or if it takes her by surprise I think by the point of bride she so far gone with it that its stating to ache.

She'll be teating him like crap the moment she gets back lol

IMO this was all just a set up to the chase..

I get that it's a set-up to the chase -- what I'm saying is that it was not done well. They dropped the ball on two instances: the stroking the clothes scene & the vows scene. They went over-board in showing the depth of her feelings & wrote her OOC.

I understand why the did it. I understand where it leads and what it means. I just have issue with how they're getting to the end point. That's all. I think they sacrificed a bit of Lois's character at the alter of Clois.

As a Lois Lane fan, that kind of annoys me.

[DontCha]

I think that moment where she turned round to face clark with that look on her face was all for clark's character to absorb. There needs to be something there which reminds him why he's chasing her. For example if she hadnt crumbled in Committed infront of clark then it would have never sparked off his feelings.

Also this isnt just some random guy Lois likes, its her soulmate so I think he tugs at her heartstrings more than others do.I didnt like the stroking of the shirt scene. That was deffo out of character but when she thought clark was telling her he loved her, I didnt see it as that bad..although it was slightly OOC

[adznufc9]

Of course she is gong to be out of character she has just been hit by these feelings she didnt expect and hasnt ever felt before.

[Hippolyta]

You know what? I really didn't think Lois was acting OOC at all. Yes, Lois tends to flirt/pick on her crushes, and doesn't go all girly but this circumstance is completely different to anything she has experienced before. For starters, its Clark Kent she's dealing with, one of her closest friends. I honestly couldn't see Lois suddenly deciding she wanted him and flirting with him in an upfront manner. I think from very early on Lois has been vulnerable with Clark, he's one of the only ones who has seen her with her walls down (e.g. in Siren). He knows her better than most people do, and he's one of her best friends. So for her to be feeling all this towards him is downright scary, never mind anything else. So she's trying to fight it and ignore it, as she tells Oliver. Yes, she's still tough Lois Lane but maybe, just maybe her kryptonite is Clark Kent :D.

And I didn't find Lois' behaviour to be 'moony-eyed'- in fact, I thought it was quite touching because she's never acted like this before. It tells us, the audience, that she's never felt like this before. It means more because its not something that Lois Lane would usually do.

[dalbajr]

You know what? I really didn't think Lois was acting OOC at all. Yes, Lois tends to flirt/pick on her crushes, and doesn't go all girly but this circumstance is completely different to anything she has experienced before. For starters, its Clark Kent she's dealing with, one of her closest friends. I honestly couldn't see Lois suddenly deciding she wanted him and flirting with him in an upfront manner. I think from very early on Lois has been vulnerable with Clark, he's one of the only ones who has seen her with her walls down (e.g. in Siren). He knows her better than most people do, and he's one of her best friends. So for her to be feeling all this towards him is downright scary, never mind anything else. So she's trying to fight it and ignore it, as she tells Oliver. Yes, she's still tough Lois Lane but maybe, just maybe her kryptonite is Clark Kent :D.

And I didn't find Lois' behaviour to be 'moony-eyed'- in fact, I thought it was quite touching because she's never acted like this before. It tells us, the audience, that she's never felt like this before. It means more because its not something that Lois Lane would usually do.


Excellent post!!
I totally agree! Which is why I believe that when Clark looks deeply into her eyes
her walls will start crumbling down. :D

[Fat Elvis 007]

But I am comparing her to SVLois. I'm not comparing her to other Lois Lanes -- I'm saying that, within the context of SVLois's character, she was acting out of character. I'm comparing her to herself.

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I get that it's a set-up to the chase -- what I'm saying is that it was not done well. They dropped the ball on two instances: the stroking the clothes scene & the vows scene. They went over-board in showing the depth of her feelings & wrote her OOC.

I understand why the did it. I understand where it leads and what it means. I just have issue with how they're getting to the end point. That's all. I think they sacrificed a bit of Lois's character at the alter of Clois.

As a Lois Lane fan, that kind of annoys me.

Eas, thank you so much for this post. I am glad to see some Lois fans who realize that she was acting totally out of character in "Bride." I've never been a big SVLois fan myself, but at least she has never behaved like this before. You are right, those two incidents went waaay over the top and IMO, made her look kinda stalker-ish. I thought there were a few scenes where her feelings for Clark came across better and more in character, like in her conversation with Oliver. But in those other moony-eyed scenes, it's like the writers took the most hated parts of Chlark and Clana and gave them to Clois. Yuck.

And to those claiming that Lois has simply never felt this way about a guy before...I don't buy that. I think that only comes across to people because we know the ending. But I don't think the setup is there for me to buy that Clark is her soulmate at this point. I can see them developing feelings for each other, but right now Lois' are just too strong for this early. This is made even worse when you consider we are getting virtually nothing from Clark's side. JMHO.

[Just Another Guy]

Eh, I don't think she was out of character at all. We've seen her act like that before, and it was never over something as deep as this is.

[devilneedsaride]

Eas, thank you so much for this post. I am glad to see some Lois fans who realize that she was acting totally out of character in "Bride." I've never been a big SVLois fan myself, but at least she has never behaved like this before. You are right, those two incidents went waaay over the top and IMO, made her look kinda stalker-ish. I thought there were a few scenes where her feelings for Clark came across better and more in character, like in her conversation with Oliver. But in those other moony-eyed scenes, it's like the writers took the most hated parts of Chlark and Clana and gave them to Clois. Yuck.

And to those claiming that Lois has simply never felt this way about a guy before...I don't buy that. I think that only comes across to people because we know the ending. But I don't think the setup is there for me to buy that Clark is her soulmate at this point. I can see them developing feelings for each other, but right now Lois' are just too strong for this early. This is made even worse when you consider we are getting virtually nothing from Clark's side. JMHO.

^^^
What he said. I think you put it very well.

[ginnyfan]

But I am comparing her to SVLois. I'm not comparing her to other Lois Lanes -- I'm saying that, within the context of SVLois's character, she was acting out of character. I'm comparing her to herself.

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I get that it's a set-up to the chase -- what I'm saying is that it was not done well. They dropped the ball on two instances: the stroking the clothes scene & the vows scene. They went over-board in showing the depth of her feelings & wrote her OOC.

I understand why the did it. I understand where it leads and what it means. I just have issue with how they're getting to the end point. That's all. I think they sacrificed a bit of Lois's character at the alter of Clois.

As a Lois Lane fan, that kind of annoys me.

What if Lois had been all alone holding the superman cape and stroked it... would she have a similar reaction? Would the reaction in Bride still be out of character?

What if Superman were saying Jimmy's vows? How would Lois react... hypothetically. Would the reaction on Bride be out of character?

Do you think the phone booth moment in Plastique had any... symbolic meaning?

[Pantalaimon]

What many of you are the touching on is the issue of making individual storyline episodes match the overall storyline. The more you focus on the overall storyline the less likely it is for an individual episode to work as a stand-online story.

I think this season the producers have made more of an effort to create individual episodes that are effective on their own (while actually still managing to present a pretty good overall storyline). This means that certain story element need to repeated in different episodes, while other elements are blown up (like Lois' feelings in Bride) to make the episode more dramatic.

I too felt that the Clois was rather heavy-handed in this episode. But if I think about how the producers have created so many solid stand-alone episodes this season, I understand why it was necessary and it doesn't bother me so much.

[SacredK]

"Lois and Clark" is kind of growing on me.... don't tell anyone.

:rotfl: HAHAHA. I loved it. I was thinking what the hell Chloe, what the hell Lana....

Um...didn't read all the posts in this thread; just wondering if Lana didn't see the 'almost kiss', she was right across at the door.

[eas]

What if Lois had been all alone holding the superman cape and stroked it... would she have a similar reaction? Would the reaction in Bride still be out of character?

What if Superman were saying Jimmy's vows? How would Lois react... hypothetically. Would the reaction on Bride be out of character?

Do you think the phone booth moment in Plastique had any... symbolic meaning?

Excellent questions.

This question, though, goes back to comparing SVLois to other Lois Lanes. For me, it's not just about what is in-character for ILL... it's also about what is in-character for SVLois.

To flip your question around: If SVLois had been caught stroking the Green Arrow's suit (or arrow) when she thought it was Ollie, with a big silly grin on her face, would you have thought that it made sense? I wouldn't have.

What if Ollie were saying those vows to her when she was falling so hard for him. Would her reaction have made sense? Probably not -- and that's saying something, given that she was in an actual relationship with him and it would have much more sense for him to say those things to her. I mean, the vows say that he knew the moment he first saw her - and Lollie did have an instant connection the first second they met.

One of things about imagining what happens if Superman says those things to her is that it doesn't work within the context of SV. Why? Because, in all versions, Superman has obviously had a thing for Lois. And Lois has a thing for him. It's the same way her relationship with the Green Arrow as in "SV". And, in "SV", Lois Lane didn't go around stroking Ollie's suit or getting giddy happy if he even glanced her way. She was very much her own woman - bold, fliratatious, sexy, and loving - all at the same time. THAT'S what I imagine when I see SVLois in love.

This girl, with Clark? Too much.

The "Plastique" scene in the phone booth? The one where she asks him to change? I don't know if I saw a deeper meaning. I saw a girl who looked at a really fine guy and noticed that he was fine. She blatantly checked him out (a very Lois thing to do) and then she was thrown into his arms because of the explosion and she didn't mind. Clark, for his part, steadied her and took a second to glance down and noticed that she was hot. That's how I saw that scene... is that what you're asking?

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Eas, thank you so much for this post. I am glad to see some Lois fans who realize that she was acting totally out of character in "Bride." I've never been a big SVLois fan myself, but at least she has never behaved like this before. You are right, those two incidents went waaay over the top and IMO, made her look kinda stalker-ish. I thought there were a few scenes where her feelings for Clark came across better and more in character, like in her conversation with Oliver. But in those other moony-eyed scenes, it's like the writers took the most hated parts of Chlark and Clana and gave them to Clois. Yuck.

And to those claiming that Lois has simply never felt this way about a guy before...I don't buy that. I think that only comes across to people because we know the ending. But I don't think the setup is there for me to buy that Clark is her soulmate at this point. I can see them developing feelings for each other, but right now Lois' are just too strong for this early. This is made even worse when you consider we are getting virtually nothing from Clark's side. JMHO.

You're welcome. And ITA with your whole post. You're right, she HAS felt this way before & she's handled it in a completely different way.

I keep hearing about these "walls" that Lois has, and I have to ask: what walls? One of the things I love about SVLois is that she is the only woman on the show that is capable of owning her emotions & entering into a mature, adult, relationship - without angst.

* She flirted and bantered with A.C. & thought, "Huh... good looking guy, sweet, likes me, and he wants to save the world? Sign me up!" She went to bat for him against Clark, even though they'd only just met. She had no reservations about kissing him and showing A.C. that she liked him back. When he left, she was hurt, but she moved on. Because she knew that he left for a good reason (meaning, she didn't sit there and think that it was because she was screwed up or think she was the victim.)

* The guy from "Fade" asked her out. She bantered, flirted, and thought, "Huh... good looking guy, rich, seems nice enough, and he likes me? Sure, why not." Obviously, he turned out to be a bad guy and since it was just a date, she wasn't broken-hearted about it. But that doesn't mean that she didn't put herself out there and risk getting hurt.

* She met Ollie; he tried to sweep her off her feet. She let him. To this date, the scene at the end of "Wither" is one of my most favorite romantic moments in "SV". The song, "Ache" playing in the background, while Lois & Ollie banter about him shooting an arrow to get a kiss from her? Pure magic.... you could tell that Ollie had captured Lois's heart in that moment. From there, they both proceeded to have the most adult, mature, relationship that I've seen on "SV" ever. Were there problems (like his drug addiction and the whole GA thing)? Yes. But, for the most part, they acted like two normal people in love. And, make no mistake about it, Lois was in love with him. Deeply.

* Wes clearly showed us that Lois has always had a pretty healthy relationship with guys that she likes. The stories of young Lois and young Wes were sweet & were pretty much what a first love should be like. Kind of wild, crazy, and gross... but - at the end of the day - a sweet memory. Compare that the Chlark and Clana... those first loves were brutal. It makes all that much heart-breaking when Wes dies in Lois's arms. One of the few good memories she had of growing up on army bases and the one responsible had such a tragic end. That's why I bought it when Lois went on a mission to take down Luthor.

To me, this all shows us that Lois is not a fool in love. Maybe she has some foolish moments. Maybe she has some moments where she opens her heart wide -- but she doesn't become a stalker.

Now, on to Clark.... again, I ask, what walls? All the guys I listed above? She had MORE reason to have walls with them then she does with Clark. She's known Clark forever. She knows him so well that he even has commented on it. He knows her so well that she's commented on it. He's hot, he's sweet, he's fun to be around, he's always there for her, and he's one of her best friends.

Lois has never had walls with Clark & he's never had walls with her. It's one of the main reasons why the SVClois ship even works. Because the two have zero tolerance for BS around each other & they kind of embrace that. They banter, flirt, and are always there for each other. Out of all the people in the world, it makes the most sense for Lois to be forthright, sexy, flirtatious and amused by her feelings for Clark. Kind of scared, sure, that he doesn't love her back... but, let's face it, this is not a woman who is not afraid of going after what she wants. Regardless of the speech she gave in "Siren". (And there's no reason for her to think that Clark will "leave her behind" like Ollie did, anyway.)

Anyway... I think that Episodes 1-9 showed us this Lois Lane. The way she went off on him in "Instinct"; the way she teased him throughout "Committed"; the way she had him zip up her dress in "Identity"; the way she loyally refused to leave him in "Bloodline"; the way she refused to acknowledge that he was her knight in her 'dream' in "Bloodline...

THAT was SVLois Lane in love. In "Bride", they just went over the top & FE is right: They took the worst of Chlark/Clana & pushed it onto Lois. Because they don't know how to right good romance without going overboard.

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And I didn't find Lois' behaviour to be 'moony-eyed'- in fact, I thought it was quite touching because she's never acted like this before. It tells us, the audience, that she's never felt like this before. It means more because its not something that Lois Lane would usually do.

To me, I feel that there is, "Something Lois Lane would not typically do" and then there's "completely out of character, jarring, and not needed".

I put those two scenes in the second category.

I think the way that Lois has treated Clark for the past 4 years is an excellent indication of how Lois feels about Clark & watching her fall in love in S8 was handled well, for the most part. The only two times I thought they went over-the-top & dropped the ball were those two scenes.

I don't buy the argument that she feels differently about Clark than she's ever felt before. I think she's destined to be his soulmate, but I don't think that either she or Clark are aware - right at this moment - that they are destined to have a legendary love. Even Lois, for all her depth of feelings, would probably admit that if they dated, they could very well break up. That's the reason why she went more slowly with him than she did with Ollie, A.C., or Grant. Because she's afraid that if they break up (which she probably assumes they will, because I don't think she thinks that he's her Jonathan) that their friendship won't survive it.

There's a difference, though, between her having feelings for him & then suddenly stroking his clothes when he's not there. If they were in a relationship... if he had just left to go save the world and may not come back alive, then, yeah, it would make sense. But the guy was like in the next room! She'd just seen him and was just about to see him!

As I said above, they sacrificed Lois's character at the alter of Clois. Since I am first a fan of Lois Lane & then a Cloiser, this irks me.

[Just Another Guy]

Now, on to Clark.... again, I ask, what walls? All the guys I listed above? She had MORE reason to have walls with them then she does with Clark. She's known Clark forever. She knows him so well that he even has commented on it. He knows her so well that she's commented on it. He's hot, he's sweet, he's fun to be around, he's always there for her, and he's one of her best friends.

Lois has never had walls with Clark & he's never had walls with her. It's one of the main reasons why the SVClois ship even works. Because the two have zero tolerance for BS around each other & they kind of embrace that. They banter, flirt, and are always there for each other. Out of all the people in the world, it makes the most sense for Lois to be forthright, sexy, flirtatious and amused by her feelings for Clark. Kind of scared, sure, that he doesn't love her back... but, let's face it, this is not a woman who is not afraid of going after what she wants. Regardless of the speech she gave in "Siren". (And there's no reason for her to think that Clark will "leave her behind" like Ollie did, anyway.)

Anyway... I think that Episodes 1-9 showed us this Lois Lane. The way she went off on him in "Instinct"; the way she teased him throughout "Committed"; the way she had him zip up her dress in "Identity"; the way she loyally refused to leave him in "Bloodline"; the way she refused to acknowledge that he was her knight in her 'dream' in "Bloodline...

THAT was SVLois Lane in love. In "Bride", they just went over the top & FE is right: They took the worst of Chlark/Clana & pushed it onto Lois. Because they don't know how to right good romance without going overboard.
I don't think you're recognizing that her feelings for someone she has known so long would be harder to admit, harder to deal with, and... well, a bit more embarrassing-- if only to herself-- than with any of those other guys.

[eas]

I don't think you're recognizing that her feelings for someone she has known so long would be harder to admit, harder to deal with, and... well, a bit more embarrassing-- if only to herself-- than with any of those other guys.

But, if it's harder, then why is that manifesting itself through her stroking his clothes? I don't get it.

[Pantalaimon]

But, if it's harder, then why is that manifesting itself through her stroking his clothes? I don't get it.

The fact that she has these feelings for a guy she always thought of as a friend confuses her and makes it difficult to be herself. This then manifests itself in her going a bit 'out of character' over his suit.

It still feels a bit over the top to me as well, but I rather like what they're doing with the relationship. It seems to me the producers have been very deliberate in how they portray it this season.

In the first half of the season we see Lois beginning to recognize she has rather strong feelings for Clark, but she is not really willing to admit that to herself, let alone to Clark. What's even more important is that she is unsure how Clark feels about her.

In Bride she says 'there are these moments', but she still thinks it may have been just her who thought there was something between them. This would also explain why Tom played the near-kiss moment so oddly - just smiling faintly at her and being rather passive even though he initiated the intimate moment. Apparently it was important for Lois to remain unsure of Clark's feelings, whereas to the audience there can be little doubt anymore.

Clark has also been shown recognizing he has feelings for Lois during this season, albeit less explicitly than with Lois - they focused on Lois and obviously Clark still has Lana at the back of his mind. He too has had hints of Lois' feelings for him, but since she has been denying them, he's just as unsure.

Bride, then, was set up as some sort of turn-around episode. Lois is forced to admit her feelings and in fact starts considering how Clark might feel about her due to Jimmy's matchmaking efforts. This culminates in the near-kiss, but because of Lana's return she is now possibly even more unsure about how Clark feels. Then she leaves.

Clark on the other hand, is recognizing pretty quickly throughout Bride how Lois feels (the vows moment). However, Lana's return forces him to deal with her, before he can sort out his own feelings for Lois.

In the second half of the season, when Lois returns, she will have set her sights on the red-and-blue blur and thrown up some walls against Clark. Clark, who has most likely resolved his feelings for Lana by then, will inevitably turn towards Lois and bump against those walls. The roles have been slightly reversed and it's Clark's turn to be confuse.

There is nice symmetry here, with the Bride episode in the middle, which should make it feel less like endless pining back and forth. Of course that also depends on Tom and Erica's performances, but I'm pretty confident about that.

[ginnyfan]

^I basically agree with your post Pantalaimon. I hope things play out as you say.


Excellent questions.

This question, though, goes back to comparing SVLois to other Lois Lanes. For me, it's not just about what is in-character for ILL... it's also about what is in-character for SVLois.

I guess I was thinking of it in terms of being in character for Lois as a whole rather than just Smallville's Lois. When I think of Lois going gaga over a guy I immediately think of Superman so... let me take a step back from that and just consider Smallville's Lois.


To flip your question around: If SVLois had been caught stroking the Green Arrow's suit (or arrow) when she thought it was Ollie, with a big silly grin on her face, would you have thought that it made sense? I wouldn't have.

It's not that Lois fondles clothing as a sign of love. LOL! It's the idea of Lois being girly about a guy. I don't think that's OOC. After Jimmy left Lois with Clark's suit I saw her have a girly moment. Lois imagined Clark in the suit and placed her hand on his imaginary chest. I think the suit/chest fetish is unique to Clark. I could see her taking the Maid Marian costume home and admiring it with a silly grin when alone. Definitely.

Think about the things she said to Jimmy in response to his Lois/Clark shipping. Classic Lois. They were the kinds of things she said to Oliver, A.C. etc.

There's something between us I can feel it in my gut.
Must be indigestion.

That suggests that while Lois puts up a front of banter and bravado, she may secretly have a sappy romantic side.

In fact, there's no question as to why she wanted to punch the camera man's lights out. She may be a sappy romantic at times but she'll punch your lights out if you tell anyone. LOL!


What if Ollie were saying those vows to her when she was falling so hard for him. Would her reaction have made sense? Probably not -- and that's saying something, given that she was in an actual relationship with him and it would have much more sense for him to say those things to her. I mean, the vows say that he knew the moment he first saw her - and Lollie did have an instant connection the first second they met.

IMO It's similar to her outburst in "Instinct" in that she probably surprised even herself when her heart leapt with joy at Clark's words. We've never seen Lois that jealous. We've never seen Lois THIS gaga. Her outburst in "Instinct" doesn't make much sense. As Lois said herself, why should she care about Clark's love life? But quite obviously she did care and it shocked and scared and angered her. Similarly why should Clark saying loving things to her even apply? At best they've been friends at worst they've annoyed the heck out of each other. Lois isn't behaving logically. She's in love. As far as Oliver goes, he has more reason to say those words openly to Lois. So rather than being a relief and a pleasant surprise, I think back in the days before their breakup, Lois' smile would have been of a different flavor. I think she would have openly enjoyed his words though.


One of things about imagining what happens if Superman says those things to her is that it doesn't work within the context of SV. Why? Because, in all versions, Superman has obviously had a thing for Lois. And Lois has a thing for him. It's the same way her relationship with the Green Arrow as in "SV". And, in "SV", Lois Lane didn't go around stroking Ollie's suit or getting giddy happy if he even glanced her way. She was very much her own woman - bold, flirtatious, sexy, and loving - all at the same time. THAT'S what I imagine when I see SVLois in love.

Well I'd say that it doesn't take much encouragement for Lois to go gaga over Superman but ok. :D I think she goes a bit fangirl over Superman before she falls in love with him.


This girl, with Clark? Too much.

Fair enough. I disagree.


The "Plastique" scene in the phone booth? The one where she asks him to change? I don't know if I saw a deeper meaning. I saw a girl who looked at a really fine guy and noticed that he was fine. She blatantly checked him out (a very Lois thing to do) and then she was thrown into his arms because of the explosion and she didn't mind. Clark, for his part, steadied her and took a second to glance down and noticed that she was hot. That's how I saw that scene... is that what you're asking?

I guess I was asking about that scene because... it could be seen as a reference to Clark transforming into Superman in the phone booth. Certainly in terms of Clark's character this season, he's been more mature, taken more initiative, been more like Superman than ever. Along with that, maybe Lois' eyes are opening up to him as a potential love interest more than ever, beginning with Plastique. I agree with you that Lois and Clark are pretty much unaware of their feelings toward each other for much of the series. They've been aware of the physical attraction, of the chemistry between them for a while but they've never seriously confronted it.

Over the course of this season it's been pounded in their heads by lie detector psycho, Maxima, Jimmy - that there's... something more between them. Clark has remained clueless so it SEEMS. At least, as Pantalaimon says, he's been less open about his feelings. But Lois... we've seen Lois struggle with this since Instinct. Now in Bride it seems that the truth has hit her full force and she's... she doesn't know what to make of these new feelings. I think just as Clark is starting to be a more confident hero, Lois is starting to see in Clark as a potential love interest and not just a friend. When he stepped out of the phone booth Lois almost could have said, "Guess I can't call you farmboy anymore." Do you know what I mean?


I keep hearing about these "walls" that Lois has, and I have to ask: what walls? One of the things I love about SVLois is that she is the only woman on the show that is capable of owning her emotions & entering into a mature, adult, relationship - without angst.

* She flirted and bantered with A.C. & thought, "Huh... good looking guy, sweet, likes me, and he wants to save the world? Sign me up!" She went to bat for him against Clark, even though they'd only just met. She had no reservations about kissing him and showing A.C. that she liked him back. When he left, she was hurt, but she moved on. Because she knew that he left for a good reason (meaning, she didn't sit there and think that it was because she was screwed up or think she was the victim.)

* The guy from "Fade" asked her out. She bantered, flirted, and thought, "Huh... good looking guy, rich, seems nice enough, and he likes me? Sure, why not." Obviously, he turned out to be a bad guy and since it was just a date, she wasn't broken-hearted about it. But that doesn't mean that she didn't put herself out there and risk getting hurt.

* She met Ollie; he tried to sweep her off her feet. She let him. To this date, the scene at the end of "Wither" is one of my most favorite romantic moments in "SV". The song, "Ache" playing in the background, while Lois & Ollie banter about him shooting an arrow to get a kiss from her? Pure magic.... you could tell that Ollie had captured Lois's heart in that moment. From there, they both proceeded to have the most adult, mature, relationship that I've seen on "SV" ever. Were there problems (like his drug addiction and the whole GA thing)? Yes. But, for the most part, they acted like two normal people in love. And, make no mistake about it, Lois was in love with him. Deeply.

* Wes clearly showed us that Lois has always had a pretty healthy relationship with guys that she likes. The stories of young Lois and young Wes were sweet & were pretty much what a first love should be like. Kind of wild, crazy, and gross... but - at the end of the day - a sweet memory. Compare that the Chlark and Clana... those first loves were brutal. It makes all that much heart-breaking when Wes dies in Lois's arms. One of the few good memories she had of growing up on army bases and the one responsible had such a tragic end. That's why I bought it when Lois went on a mission to take down Luthor.

To me, this all shows us that Lois is not a fool in love. Maybe she has some foolish moments. Maybe she has some moments where she opens her heart wide -- but she doesn't become a stalker.

Wow! Imagining a guy in a suit and touching his imaginary chest makes her a stalker?! :\

Lois hides her insecurities behind her take no prisoners bravado. It's not about angst or not owning your feelings. It's about vulnerability. She doesn't like to feel vulnerable. Lois likes to operate from a position of control and self possession. Yes there's banter and yes it's flirting but it's also defensive. You have to get through the hard shell to the soft center. It's not just flirting and banter. She's being defensive. The reason the relationships happened anyway is that they were strong men who fought through the defenses and enjoyed the battle. Lois likes to be in control and gradually she opens up. In her past relationships this was the case. Even when she finally allows herself to be swept away in the romance, does she ever show insecurity with these other guys? Does she ever show vulnerability? Even with Oliver, she opened up about the details to Clark.


Now, on to Clark.... again, I ask, what walls? All the guys I listed above? She had MORE reason to have walls with them then she does with Clark. She's known Clark forever. She knows him so well that he even has commented on it. He knows her so well that she's commented on it. He's hot, he's sweet, he's fun to be around, he's always there for her, and he's one of her best friends.

With Clark, Lois has been blindsided by love. It was an ambush. I think she's opened up more to Clark over the years than she has to anyone as a friend. She's relaxed and comfortable around Clark because of their friendship. He's already so far behind her defenses. My guess is, that in "Bride" Lois is finally confronting the fact that the place in her heart occupied by Clark, the place she'd always labeled friend, may actually be labeled lover or even worse, soul mate! She's gobsmacked. With the other guys, romance was always the context. With Clark, this is a new development and maybe a slightly unwelcome surprise.

What you say about Clark is exactly why Lois is the way she is in Bride. She's emotionally naked and without walls in the face of her love for Clark. Her love for Clark sneaked into her heart as friendship and suddenly blossomed into love... surprising her and unsettling her. She'll have her cry (champagne), reassess and regroup.


Lois has never had walls with Clark & he's never had walls with her. It's one of the main reasons why the SVClois ship even works. Because the two have zero tolerance for BS around each other & they kind of embrace that. They banter, flirt, and are always there for each other. Out of all the people in the world, it makes the most sense for Lois to be forthright, sexy, flirtatious and amused by her feelings for Clark. Kind of scared, sure, that he doesn't love her back... but, let's face it, this is not a woman who is not afraid of going after what she wants. Regardless of the speech she gave in "Siren". (And there's no reason for her to think that Clark will "leave her behind" like Ollie did, anyway.)

I agree and disagree. They have walls. Lois has her bravado. Clark has his loner tendencies, brooding and secrecy. Most of the time Lois makes light of Clark's walls. This ends his brooding by riling him up, making him laugh or both. Clark has often been scared of her bravado but... over the years he's seen glimpses of the Lois behind the bravado. Now her rudeness, bluntness amuses him as much as it exasperates him. Now most of the time they are completely behind each others' walls. Lois and Clark are able to deal with each others' defenses in healthy, fun ways. It's not that they don't have them... they have fun together and manage to open up to each other in spite of them. Maybe I'm splitting hairs. Maybe what I mean when I say walls isn't what you mean when you say walls.

Clark Kent is probably one of the LAST people she ever expected to fall for. So I don't think "amused" is the first thing she would be when discovering she loves him. Sure she can tease and flirt when while the physical attraction is in the air. But hot chemistry and being head over heels in love are... different things.


In "Bride", they just went over the top & FEis right: They took the worst of Chlark/Clana & pushed it onto Lois. Because they don't know how to right good romance without going overboard.

LOL! I disagree. All we have in "Bride" IMO is Lois' initial realization of her feelings for Clark. And her indulgence of the idea that Clark might return them. First she imagines him in his suit, then her heart leaps hearing him read Jimmy's vows, then she... interprets his non-verbals during their slow dance. We can't really compare her to Clana until we see her future behavior. Chlark and Clana were characterized by behavior over time, not just one 24 hour period. To say that in two scenes Lois hit the most discordant notes of Chlark and Clana is excessive IMO.


To me, I feel that there is, "Something Lois Lane would not typically do" and then there's "completely out of character, jarring, and not needed".

Well said. But IMO Lois is doing things we don't typically SEE Lois do. And things Lois never in a million years thought she would do in regards to Clark. I don't think Lois is discovering a new side to herself as much as she's rediscovering her feelings for Clark. It's the shock of realization and Lois... is a doer. She can't hide the truth of her feelings in the moment.


I think the way that Lois has treated Clark for the past 4 years is an excellent indication of how Lois feels about Clark & watching her fall in love in S8 was handled well, for the most part. The only two times I thought they went over-the-top & dropped the ball were those two scenes.

Cool. I think... those two scenes were VERY demonstrative on Lois' part. But I don't think it's out of character as much as it is surprising and different.


That's the reason why she went more slowly with him than she did with Ollie, A.C., or Grant. Because she's afraid that if they break up (which she probably assumes they will, because I don't think she thinks that he's her Jonathan) that their friendship won't survive it.

Hmm... I don't think Lois had come to grips with how she feels about Clark until "Bride". And even then I don't think she's had a chance to decide to consciously pursue Clark, let alone to decide on a pace at which to do so.


There's a difference, though, between her having feelings for him & then suddenly stroking his clothes when he's not there. If they were in a relationship... if he had just left to go save the world and may not come back alive, then, yeah, it would make sense. But the guy was like in the next room! She'd just seen him and was just about to see him!

She was imagining him in the suit and placing her hand on his chest! LOL!


As I said above, they sacrificed Lois's character at the alter of Clois. Since I am first a fan of Lois Lane & then a Cloiser, this irks me.

I was very uncomfortable during "Bride." They really took Lois into a new... openly emotional place. I don't think it was OOC but it was uncomfortable. I think mainly, they laid Lois bare. She was emotionally laid bare so that we could see her heart. I hope we see more of Clark's feelings toward Lois for the second half of the season.

I hope you don't feel attacked eas. I'm just airing out my opinion.

I guess with Clois fans I see... almost different sides of Lois. There's the side that has wounded pride and is fighting, kicking and screaming against this girly vulnerability. Then there's the side that's melting and can't do anything about it. :D

[singingdove]

I see both your points re: Lois in Bride, and really, all I have to say is she's acting a wee bit like Crimson!Lois. Overdosed on love. So... yeah. Tone it down a bit, writers. And I think they will once she comes back, and that we'll be seeing more from Clark's side.

[Pantalaimon]

I was very uncomfortable during "Bride." They really took Lois into a new... openly emotional place. I don't think it was OOC but it was uncomfortable. I think mainly, they laid Lois bare. She was emotionally laid bare so that we could see her heart. I hope we see more of Clark's feelings toward Lois for the second half of the season.


Wow, that was some post. Great analysis.

Ultimately, I think it wasn't so much that it was out of character - we haven't seen very much of this side of Lois before, but I'm not surprised it's there - it was more that they dramatically amped up the show of feelings in this episode. Even after Commitment and Bloodline it was still a bit sudden.

[eas]

I hope you don't feel attacked eas. I'm just airing out my opinion.

From you, BDE? NEVER!!! :)


I guess with Clois fans I see... almost different sides of Lois. There's the side that has wounded pride and is fighting, kicking and screaming against this girly vulnerability. Then there's the side that's melting and can't do anything about it. :D

Yes, I agree. However, I think there is melting and then there is turning into a puddle. Those two scenes were "puddle" and not "melting", imo.

At some point, we will have to agree to disagree. I think it's good, though, that on a thread devoted to Clois, we have Cloisers who disagree with each other. Oftentimes, Cloisers are considered to have a bit of a "pack mentality" by some & this is an excellent example of how even Clois fans can see the Clois in completely different ways.

I understand your points (as well as Pantalaimon's excellent points) but I think that there are some fundemental differences to how we're approaching S8 and Lois's arc.

I don't think that "Bride" was the point where Lois recognized the depth of her feelings for Clark. I think that came and passed in "Instinct".

IMO, this is how it went down:

-- She's been attracted to him since S4 & enjoys flirting with him. However, she never let it go further than that.
-- In S5, they openly became good friends (she threw him a surprise birthday party and baked him a rum cake) & this friendship was explored more in S6.
-- In S6, she dated and fell in love with Oliver Queen & found her true calling in life: journalism. Clark was single and pining after Lana, and had no clue WHAT to do with his life.
-- In S7, she's found her niche in the world: Being a journalist at the DP. She enters into an ill-advised relationship with Grant Gabriel (we're told later that he was a rebound for Oliver). Clark is living with Lana and is torn between his destiny (saving the world) or staying in Smallville with Lana. Both Lois and Clark are good friends, at this point, but spend almost no time together while he lives with Lana. Once Lana goes into a coma, they start hanging out more & I think the changing point in their relationship was "Siren". At that moment, Lois no longer withheld her regard for Clark. The audience had seen all along how she felt about him, but - at that moment - Clark saw it, too. She trusts him.
-- The rest of S7, she's there for Clark and is more senstive to his feelings. She's there, as a friend and confidante. He accepts the change in their relationship, even though it does throw him off a bit. (Apocolypse, end scene.) She wants to be with him and even comes by to convince him to work at the DP. Was she doing it because she wanted him by her side? No... she was doing it because she cared about him and his future. Lois's last scene of the season is her holding onto a weeping Clark while she weeps for him, herself. They come full circle from the first episode of the season. At that point, she hugged Clark, because of Lana, but she was matter-of-fact and un-emotional. Last episode, she's hugging Clark because of Lana, but she's crying for him. She was in love.

Moving onto S8:

-- One way in which PS3 dropped the ball was to not show Lois's reaction to Clark missing for 3 months. It made no sense. Of course, she was involved with searching down her cousin, but I think she would have - at least - been a bit worried that he was gone. I think they should have thrown a line in there, like, "So did you enjoy Washington? Every time I talked to Mrs. Kent, you were out, so I guess you liked it." Or something. Anyway...

-- Her feelings are clear from Day One... when he tells her that he's working with her at the DP, she turns over his name-plate and gets a smile on her face. This leads to how she reacts in "Plastique" when she sees how hot he is... she says his smile is charming and gets kind of annoyed about the attention he's getting from Tess (although, I think professional rivalry was at hand, too). They share little moments where it's clear that she's very happy to be with him and she's quite affectionate & softer than she's ever been before.

-- This all leads up to "Instinct". If post-"Siren" is when she fell in love with Clark, then "Instinct" is where she realized it. Her freak out with him and Maxima made her realize that she's in love with him. The ending scene at the loft made that clear. She wasn't ready to tell him that (of course not) but she accepted that she hopes that she's his soulmate.

-- Then, in "Committed" she's forced to admit it to HIM. She knows she loves him and she's having fun teasing him. But she doesn't want him to know. Then, a madman makes her tell him. The end of "Committed" is a great scene because it shows that she's come to terms with the fact that she loves him - she's just not ready to find out whether or not he does.

-- "Identity" brings us to a point where she's starting to act weird... even JIMMY is picking up on the fact that she's got something going on with Clark. What does she do, though? She teases him and flirts with & makes him zip up her dress. Classic Lois -- like a guy? In love with him? Be sexy, flirt, banter a little... and make him gulp. Which he did.

-- "Bloodline"... she's moving in... she's upping the ante a bit. Personally, I saw her moving in as a sign that she had plans to move forward with the "seduction of Clark Kent" (ooohh... fan-fic idea... LOL), but then it back-fired on her when they got to the PZ. Suddenly, she was like, "Whoa, it's not Clark who should worry about me... I like him TOO much... damn it!" She ends up showing him how much she loves him. The depth of her love is clear by her loyalty to him and her not bothering to hide that she will NEVER leave him behind. When she's in the PZ, she clings to Clark because she knows that he's stronger than her & she's not afraid to show that she realizes that she needs him. Thatwas HUGE for Lois. At the end of the episode, she has a Fruedian slip where she calls him her knight in shining armor (and I think she's seen him this way since S5) and then realizes that she can't move in with him, because she'll get hurt.

This all leads up to "Bride":

What Works:

- Her running the wedding like a General.
- Calling people by fairy tale nicknames.
- Yelling at people for being incompetent & refusing to ring any bells.
- Her heart-to-heart with Chloe and Jimmy, respectively.
- The way she looked like, "Oh, he's so sweet..." when he gave the flower to Chloe.
- The way the two looked each other up & down and her 'slip up' when it came to the cufflinks.
- The way she shoved him out of the way to talk into the camera.
- Trying to flee from Clark when the roma music starting playing.
- Dancing with him and initiating the kiss, complete with quizzical looks & a questioning gaze.
- Her heart-to-heart with Ollie.
- The last convo with Clark, where she says good-bye.
- Going with Jimmy to Star City.

These were all IN-CHARACTER and mades sense when you looked at where she was at the end of "Bloodline" and what her character is like.

What doesn't work:

- The way she stroked his suit.
- To account for her massive "girly" moment, she decks the videographer.
- She thinks he's reciting wedding vows to her.
- Showing such intensity from Lois's side, with virtually NOTHING from Clark's side to support it.

None of that makes sense, imo, and I think there is only one reason it was there: They don't know how to write a woman in love without making her sacrifice her character a bit. We saw this with Chloe and we saw this with Lana. THAT'S what I meant when I agreed with FE's take about the Chlark/Clana. On "SV", women that fall in love with Clark Kent immediately lose a little bit of what makes them so awesome to start out with.

Look, the second all the summer interviews came out and they said that they were upping the ante on the Clois relationship, I knew that we were going to get a no-holds barred romantic relationship. Why? Because if S4-S7 was their idea of "sibling-like behaviour" then non-sibling, in their opinion, would be nothing short of massive UST, tons of roma moments, and anvils badgering us over the head. And what did we get? Exactly that.

"SV" doesn't do subtle - they don't know how. And, in this case, I think that attitude will come back to bit them where the sun don't shine. They already had to slow down and make ambigious the feelings from Clark's side, to account for Clana closure. And, now, they upped the ante from Lois's side so much that it seems as though Clark will never catch up.

I don't like that. I didn't enjoy the "one-sided" pining from Chloe back when Chlark first started. I certainly didn't enjoy scenes of her walking in on Clana moments and being hurt by them & if I didn't like it with Chloe, I sure as hell am going to offense at it happening with Lois. Back when "Spirit" aired, I was annoyed that Lana walked in right as Clark asked Lois to dance. At that time, she pursed her lips, considered him for a moment & then told him to go dance with who he really wanted to dance with - Lana. She didn't care, though... it was Chloe who was sitting at the table pining. To fast-forward a few years and then see Clark/Lois dancing at Chloe's wedding & to have Lana walk in right as they are about to kiss? And, then, Clark's reaction? It shows no growth Clark's part from that moment in "Spirit". And - this time - Lois couldn't just walk away - instead, she was crushed.

Give me that girl in "Spirit" back any day. If this is Lois Lane in love with Clark Kent? No thanks, man. No thanks.

[Just Another Guy]

I didn't read everything, but I thought I'd add-- concerning the suit-stroking moment-- that, no, Lois would never have done that with Ollie, Grant, or whoever else for one reason, if no other: she was dating them. She didn't have to. She could just stroke the guy. She flirted with them from the get-go, and her feelings were never a secret. Clark, on the other hand, she has to hide her feelings from. That's why she's keeping everything to herself.

No, I don't think it was over-the-top or out of character in the least.

[LovelyLoisLane]

Lois would never have done that with Ollie . . .


Well, even though we didn't see it, I have a pretty good idea she was stroking something when she was with Ollie at his apartment. :p

Like . . . his chest? ;)

[ginnyfan]

In S6, she dated and fell in love with Oliver Queen & found her true calling in life: journalism. Clark was single and pining after Lana, and had no clue WHAT to do with his life.

I think in a lot of ways Clark is one step (or several) behind Lois when it comes to his relationship with Lana. Lois has fully resolved things with Oliver. I think Clark is where Lois was as of Siren in a way. She was still angry with Oliver and hurt and maybe... the door wasn't completely closed on a relationship with him yet.


The rest of S7, she's there for Clark and is more senstive to his feelings. She's there, as a friend and confidante. He accepts the change in their relationship, even though it does throw him off a bit. (Apocolypse, end scene.) She wants to be with him and even comes by to convince him to work at the DP. Was she doing it because she wanted him by her side? No... she was doing it because she cared about him and his future. Lois's last scene of the season is her holding onto a weeping Clark while she weeps for him, herself. They come full circle from the first episode of the season. At that point, she hugged Clark, because of Lana, but she was matter-of-fact and un-emotional. Last episode, she's hugging Clark because of Lana, but she's crying for him. She was in love.

Oh wow! Great observation.


"Bloodline"... she's moving in... she's upping the ante a bit. Personally, I saw her moving in as a sign that she had plans to move forward with the "seduction of Clark Kent" (ooohh... fan-fic idea... LOL)

Go with that idea. LOL!


What doesn't work:

- The way she stroked his suit.
- To account for her massive "girly" moment, she decks the videographer.
- She thinks he's reciting wedding vows to her.
- Showing such intensity from Lois's side, with virtually NOTHING from Clark's side to support it.

None of that makes sense, imo, and I think there is only one reason it was there: They don't know how to write a woman in love without making her sacrifice her character a bit. We saw this with Chloe and we saw this with Lana. THAT'S what I meant when I agreed with FE's take about the Chlark/Clana. On "SV", women that fall in love with Clark Kent immediately lose a little bit of what makes them so awesome to start out with.

Still not convinced it was out of character, but I see your POV and FE's POV more clearly. I do think those moments were rather clunky. I do think Smallville believes love hurts and often the way they execute that is... through ham-fisted angst. I think I understand why they wanted things to be so one sided but... I understand why you dislike it also.

I disagree that Clark is in the same place as he was in "Spirit." I think he's where Lois was regarding Oliver in "Siren." He's angry, he's hurt, he wants answers. Once he gets past these initial emotions maybe he'll find that the door to Clana is still open... maybe not. In the hospital scene I didn't see any lingering... hope... necessarily. He smiled in a friendly way. Either way I think the door will be closed on Clana before Lois returns.


At some point, we will have to agree to disagree. I think it's good, though, that on a thread devoted to Clois, we have Cloisers who disagree with each other. Oftentimes, Cloisers are considered to have a bit of a "pack mentality" by some & this is an excellent example of how even Clois fans can see the Clois in completely different ways.

Yes it is. I enjoyed your breakdown of how Lois fell for Clark. I want to watch the episodes again with that in mind. It certainly explains Lois' tearful loft scene with Clark at the end of "Instinct." I was totally oblivious of any angling on Lois' part regarding moving in with Clark. But that's interesting. Hmm...


Well, even though we didn't see it, I have a pretty good idea she was stroking something when was with Ollie at his apartment. :p

Like . . . his chest? ;)

heeheehee

[hyped4lnc]

I just rewatched the show. I think it is weird how Lana and Lois didn't say at least one word to each other. If someone hurt my friend like Lana hurt Clark, I wouldn't be to friendly towards her. I would have loved to see Lois and Lana interact. I wonder if Lois was going to see Lana at the end, or was she just checking up on the other guest and saw them by accident.

[Dr. Blade]

They've never had Lana and Lois interact much on the show... kind of lame, in my opinion.
I love how much Clois there is in this season but it seems a little off to me; like it was just shot out of a cannon, despite the comradery they've had for years. And I don't like the way Clark will care about her, and then disregard her the next moment. Like when we all knew he was going to Lana in that Bride scene but we still winced when he did it.
So, despite the way I loved their dance scene and others, my favorite Clois scene was when she walked away from him in the end. It was heartbreaking, but needed to be done; and maybe Clark needs some doubt from letting her walk away on the dance floor. I hate seeing Lois treated like that. So even though there won't be as much touching and near kissing, I think this is a step in the right direction, it'll be part of their relationship and it will build up their trust in each other and bring both of them together, not just Lois violently to Clark, just to be thrown back when Lana comes back.

And on a side note, I was kinda hoping Clark would realize he was in love with Lois first... though it is sweet to see Lois so smitten.

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I think he's where Lois was regarding Oliver in "Siren." He's angry, he's hurt, he wants answers. Once he gets past these initial emotions maybe he'll find that the door to Clana is still open... maybe not. In the hospital scene I didn't see any lingering... hope... necessarily. He smiled in a friendly way. Either way I think the door will be closed on Clana before Lois returns.


I agree with you! Clark needs to close the Clana door before considering a relationship with Lois.

I really liked how things developed after Lana showed up because Clark was in such a turmoil that anything that he could say to Lois would have been tainted by his unresolved issues with his ex. Also, the way the scene was cut, we don't know exactly what happened or how he and Lois parted ways after Lana showed up. Maybe he excused himself to go out to get some air, or maybe it was Lois the one who walked away from the barn without giving him the chance to say a thing. We only know that one second Clark was staring angrily at Lana and the next moment he's climging the stairs to his loft (calm, but equally angry) while Lois has her chat with Oliver. So, whatever we think happened in between is just speculation.

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I just rewatched the show. I think it is weird how Lana and Lois didn't say at least one word to each other. If someone hurt my friend like Lana hurt Clark, I wouldn't be to friendly towards her. I would have loved to see Lois and Lana interact. I wonder if Lois was going to see Lana at the end, or was she just checking up on the other guest and saw them by accident.


It did look like Lois was going to walk right into Lana's room...Or Lois just happened to walk by and see them? Hmmm...if only we had a Lois & Lana interaction. I would of also loved to have seen what would of been said, hehe.

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well just to add my thoughts concerning this episode in regards to the Clois:


Wow, you know, if someone had shown me this episode 2 seasons or even 1 season ago, I would have never thought that this was the same show, because well quite frankly I never thought I would see Clark and Lois interact with each other the way they've had in this episode.

I think that Bride was definitely the breaking point that started out with Lois's smile at the end of this season's premiere that hinted of the things to come in regards to her growing feelings for Clark in a way.

Lois was finally able to admit to herself and to another person (Oliver of all people) that she has very strong feelings for Clark.

And like Erica has said in her interviews, it was clear from Lois's actions and expressions that she loves Clark more than she's loved or cared for any other man.

For crying out loud, this woman was practically happy when she thought that Clark was saying Jimmy's wedding vows to her...keyword is wedding vows....and when you say something like "I wanted to spend the rest of my life with you" to someone, that person will definitely take it as you want to marry this person someday, and Lois happily accepted before realizing that Clark wasn't talking about her.

Lois has definitely fallen hard.

And like others have pointed out, Clark has never been so bold as he was with Lois in their dance with any other woman unless under the influence of Red K or something else, and Clark wasn't influenced by anything other than his real feelings.

Yeah, Clark has to finally put the Lana chapter in his life to closure before he can fully give himself to Lois.

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well just to add my thoughts concerning this episode in regards to the Clois:


Wow, you know, if someone had shown me this episode 2 seasons or even 1 season ago, I would have never thought that this was the same show, because well quite frankly I never thought I would see Clark and Lois interact with each other the way they've had in this episode.

I think that Bride was definitely the breaking point that started out with Lois's smile at the end of this season's premiere that hinted of the things to come in regards to her growing feelings for Clark in a way.

Lois was finally able to admit to herself and to another person (Oliver of all people) that she has very strong feelings for Clark.

And like Erica has said in her interviews, it was clear from Lois's actions and expressions that she loves Clark more than she's loved or cared for any other man.

For crying out loud, this woman was practically happy when she thought that Clark was saying Jimmy's wedding vows to her...keyword is wedding vows....and when you say something like "I wanted to spend the rest of my life with you" to someone, that person will definitely take it as you want to marry this person someday, and Lois happily accepted before realizing that Clark wasn't talking about her.

Lois has definitely fallen hard.

And like others have pointed out, Clark has never been so bold as he was with Lois in their dance with any other woman unless under the influence of Red K or something else, and Clark wasn't influenced by anything other than his real feelings.

Yeah, Clark has to finally put the Lana chapter in his life to closure before he can fully give himself to Lois.

Man I wish this was true. I think he has now, but temporarily he did want Lana back in what was some of the worst regression I've ever seen.

I agree with the way you put it herolee10. I just want to add that Clark definitely didn't read Jimmy's vows out for nothing. I know he did it to see what Lois' reaction would be and whether or not he should have gone for it. The reaction was obvious and I have no doubt that's why he proceeded. Otherwise, he would have been too nervous to proceed with all the mixed signals he got before (like Lois saying she slipped off the lie detector sensor).

I just wish we had more Clark-Lois interaction in seasons 5-6 in a style somewhat similar to the season 1-3 Clark-Chloe interaction where Clark would interact with Lois (not knowing his secret just like as the case with Chloe in seasons 1-3) on a regular basis. It would have been cool to see a Lex-Lois type storyline in the style of Lionel-Chloe from season 3 where Clark would step up and save her from Lex's evil plans and Lois would be shown getting closer to him. We did see some signs of Lois' feelings from time to time like in Kara (when Clark announced he would be leaving Smallville & going north), in Siren, and a few other episodes. Unfortunately they couldn't have Clark reciprocate because he was with Lana all that time.

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It did look like Lois was going to walk right into Lana's room...Or Lois just happened to walk by and see them? Hmmm...if only we had a Lois & Lana interaction. I would of also loved to have seen what would of been said, hehe.

I think Lois lost a lot of respect for Lana based on how she attacked her in Wrath & never apologized and her poor treatment of Clark.

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I didn't read everything, but I thought I'd add-- concerning the suit-stroking moment-- that, no, Lois would never have done that with Ollie, Grant, or whoever else for one reason, if no other: she was dating them. She didn't have to. She could just stroke the guy. She flirted with them from the get-go, and her feelings were never a secret. Clark, on the other hand, she has to hide her feelings from. That's why she's keeping everything to herself.

No, I don't think it was over-the-top or out of character in the least.

I agree. Lois was definitely in the moment in that episode. Like you said, Lois didn't know Ollie was a hero back when she was going out with him. She didn't have that fear of being left behind. And everything was in the open. Also, if we remember Hydro, we saw Lois acting very out of character the last time she thought she was in love. Notice I say thought, because I think she was attracted to Oliver, but that it was more of a lust-type deal. Oliver flaked on her pretty badly by being a drug addict in Rage & even attacked as the Green Arrow (though Lois didn't know it was him). Clark never did anything like this to her from what she remembers. So what I'm saying is that Lois thought she was in love with Oliver and her crazy reaction that Clark witnessed in Hydro (when she was suspicious of him being the Green Arrow) was Lois' reaction when she actually thinks she's in love. But really she was in love with the image of Oliver and not who he really was. Since flirting was so open between them, Lois was afraid as she is with Clark because with him she was in denial for a very long time and could no longer fight her feelings. And she had no idea how to approach Clark after their history as friends. This was all evident in her conversation with Oliver.

My interpretation of the suit stroke is that it was Lois' reaction to being given good news by Jimmy and therefore her reaction to the removal of her uncertainty of getting any reciprocation on Clark's part. What Jimmy told her increased her confidence and the suit stroke was the result of that.

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I absolutely loved the clois scenes in bride. The chemistry between Clark and Lois was just electric.

Most of all though, I love how this episode placed a larger importance over how Clark felt for Lois. I'll even go far as to say, it is this episode, from the whole of season 8 which demonstrates Clarks affections for Lois more than any previous episode. The stare at the stairs, the cufflink scene (couldn't take his eyes of her), initiating the dance by grabbing her hand, the actual dance and of course him intitating the kiss. I will say though that I felt the almost kiss was a tad too soon for my liking. Love this couple but I think the writers implemented that in as a plot-device for Lana to return to "ruin the moment". Grrr!
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I also find the end scene when Lois walked away absolutely heartbreaking. You can tell that she was just crushed. From Clark’s eyes, I saw that he didn't want her to leave, despite having Lana back in his life. Did he still love Lana at that point? Hate to say it, yes...but I also think it was at the point of him falling for another. All in all, he was confused.

In one sense, it would have been interesting to see Lois around during Lana's comeback episodes just to see how Clark would behave. I really doubt he would have thrown himself back into Lana's arms so quickly with Lois's still around. I actually think his head would be a mess. Then again, it's probably best that Lois left when she did because the last thing I'd want to see is her character pine after an unavailable Clark. She's stronger and better than that.<O:p</O:p

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5 - Loved it. (My TV and I are getting married at this point.) :eek::D:rotfl:

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What doesn't work:

- The way she stroked his suit.

I addressed this.

- To account for her massive "girly" moment, she decks the videographer.

I say this is Lois being Lois as a result of my explanation of the suit stroke.

- She thinks he's reciting wedding vows to her.

I understand what you mean here. It could be due to the fact that Lois was caught up heavily in the moment (I read posts saying she was much more emotional than usual given the event) and also because Clark sounded very convincing by not giving her any warning that he was reading Jimmy's lines. I do think it was rather illogical though, since Clark hadn't shown enough interest in her up to that point to warrant such a reaction.

- Showing such intensity from Lois's side, with virtually NOTHING from Clark's side to support it.

Ha, this pretty much matches my last line above. It may be possible that Lois was being very illogical (usually tied to being emotional from my experience with people who act like that) because she was somewhat jealous and wanted to take the next step with Clark at that point. In Committed we saw her being jealous of Chloe & Jimmy and Clark called her on it. I think a lot of intensity was seen in private when Lois was alone. When she was with Clark, I saw some intensity coming from him as well, especially during the dance and in the cufflink scene where he was clearly checking her out. There was also Lois' intensity in her discussion with Ollie. That to me was very realistic because he was an outlet for her and I think she had been under a lot of pressure after keeping everything to herself until that moment. As a matter of fact, keeping all this to herself would probably explain a lot of her intensity because there is so much bubbling inside of her that she couldn't contain it any longer. She has been very patient given the amount of time from Instinct when you said she first realized her situation to Bride.

Don't forget, the usual case with Lois is that Lois is a go-getter who strives to get what she wants. The awesome thing is, with Clark she can't do that. So we have Lois' very own personality & dynamics working against her.

None of that makes sense, imo, and I think there is only one reason it was there: They don't know how to write a woman in love without making her sacrifice her character a bit. We saw this with Chloe and we saw this with Lana. THAT'S what I meant when I agreed with FE's take about the Chlark/Clana. On "SV", women that fall in love with Clark Kent immediately lose a little bit of what makes them so awesome to start out with.

Look, the second all the summer interviews came out and they said that they were upping the ante on the Clois relationship, I knew that we were going to get a no-holds barred romantic relationship. Why? Because if S4-S7 was their idea of "sibling-like behaviour" then non-sibling, in their opinion, would be nothing short of massive UST, tons of roma moments, and anvils badgering us over the head. And what did we get? Exactly that.

"SV" doesn't do subtle - they don't know how. And, in this case, I think that attitude will come back to bit them where the sun don't shine. They already had to slow down and make ambigious the feelings from Clark's side, to account for Clana closure. And, now, they upped the ante from Lois's side so much that it seems as though Clark will never catch up.

I don't like that. I didn't enjoy the "one-sided" pining from Chloe back when Chlark first started. I certainly didn't enjoy scenes of her walking in on Clana moments and being hurt by them & if I didn't like it with Chloe, I sure as hell am going to offense at it happening with Lois. Back when "Spirit" aired, I was annoyed that Lana walked in right as Clark asked Lois to dance. At that time, she pursed her lips, considered him for a moment & then told him to go dance with who he really wanted to dance with - Lana. She didn't care, though... it was Chloe who was sitting at the table pining. To fast-forward a few years and then see Clark/Lois dancing at Chloe's wedding & to have Lana walk in right as they are about to kiss? And, then, Clark's reaction? It shows no growth Clark's part from that moment in "Spirit". And - this time - Lois couldn't just walk away - instead, she was crushed.

Chloe is a different case though. Chloe was always seen pining for Clark, like Clark was for Lana. We got our first hint in the Pilot when Pete was teasing Chloe at the homecoming dance and again in Hug when Kyle Tippet read Chloe like a book and again in Stray when Ryan told Clark about the dress Chloe got. The thing is, Clark wasn't into Chloe the way she was into him. This is a real life thing that happens all the time. Lois in Bride got crushed because she was further along her realization than Clark was. And I don't blame Clark for Lois getting crushed. I blame the crappy circumstances that had Lana return. That moment was Clark's version of Lois' Siren moment when she realized things would never work between her & Oliver. But of course because it was Lana, they couldn't just end things just like that & had to drag it on to destroy Clark some more (since he's the most disrespected character on the history of this show as seen with what was done with him from seasons 4-8). Had Clark not been with Lana in Siren & fallen for Lois in that episode & made a move on her, he would have been in the same situation as Lois was in Bride. Lois wouldn't have rebounded with Clark in Siren given those circumstances because she has respect for him just as Clark does for Lois.

Give me that girl in "Spirit" back any day. If this is Lois Lane in love with Clark Kent? No thanks, man. No thanks.

I don't think it's fair to say that. Usually one person is much further ahead in realizing their feelings than another. In Smallville, the massive collateral damage caused by Lana to Clark has seriously held him back and is the #1 reason why Lois & Clark are out of sync now. In the coffee shop scene in Infamous, it's obvious that other factors came into play like Clark's secret which he just experienced bad fallout from in that episode. But in Bride, the main thing holding him back was Lana's presence & his secret had nothing to do with it. Had she not appeared, he would have surely completed the deal. And I believe that once they kiss, there will be no going back. Had that happened in Bride, whether Lana came back or not in a few months, it would have been too late to break them up. But because Lana showed up at the wrong moment, Clark was reminded of all the bad memories and did not want to start something with Lois with such a bad mindset.


Anyway, this is my take on things.

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I got the feeling that they wrote those episodes so that clana would shine, and solely to please clana fans. I have no doubt that they will come back to Clark and Lois later, after Lana leaves, but I feel like it will be too late. I don't think that it will feel right any more, and that comes from a Clark and Lois fan even before SV aired.

I felt like that they just ruined an iconic relationship for the sake of some fans that had already left the show, and that will be leaving again as soon as Lana's arc is finished. And they made Clark look very bad in the process. He is allowed to be in love with whoever he wants to be, but to raise someone else's hope, as he did, when he was clearly aware of how Lois felt, and just dismiss her, as if she didn't matter at all for the rest of the episode?

Bad move, PS3. You could have had your beloved clana without needing to write Clark like that.

I made this point in another thread. I think the biggest mistake the powers that be ever made on this show was catering to particular shippers than letting things flow naturally. Catering to shippers has more importantly ruined the iconic character that is Clark Kent/Superman. This is heavily seen with many aspects of the way Clana was written (mainly in seasons 5-7) to please Clana fans, the Clark-Chloe interaction (from seasons 5-7 and even parts of 8) to please Chlark fans, and even the heavy Clark-Oliver interaction in season 6 to please fans of the Justice League. All of these have chiseled away at Clark's character & did irreversible damage.

The same thing is true regarding Clois fans in season 4. This may not be popular for me to say, but I've been saying it ever since watching season 4 when it aired & I hope I am taken objectively. But my point is, in season 4, the powers that be catered to Clois fans at a time when that relationship clashed with the stones plot for the season. It was not possible for the writers to give us an episode that had a lot of Clark-Lois interaction and show Clark being serious & finding the stones. I think the failure in the execution of the stones plot was largely due to the appeasement of Clois fans at the time along with that of other shippers. It was the wrong time to feature Clois back then, though I do think a few cameo appearances by Lois were suitable (just not 13).

Similarly, in later seasons, the powers that be appeased fans of other 'ships at the expense of Clois, which should have been given more focus. This is especially true in season 7 when I think Clark should have moved on from Lana and held her as strictly a friend and started showing some very faint signs of interest in Lois.

This appeasement to fans who want all sorts of ships and other DC characters on the show has done the most damage to the show than any other factor. The powers that be needed to make a timeline of events they wanted to develop in the order they wished to develop them & plot out the seasons accordingly instead of do it by appeasement. Once they took that path, then they feared backlash by the fans. Their #1 decision making tool should have been how each story that was being considered affects Clark and to eliminate any that cause him to regress. If a certain 'ship happens, let it happen because it would be the next natural step, not to appease anyone. They needed to send a strict message that they wouldn't cater to any specific shippers. Perhaps the reason it seems like they were always catering to Clana shippers is due to TPTB's own biases for the Lana character. In my opinion that was wrong & TPTB should have remained impartial.

My main point is look at Supernatural & look at Smallville. Even though Supernatural doesn't really have any ships, there are certain characters that fans hate (like Ruby) but Kripke is sticking to his plan because he knows what he wants the pace of the show to be like. He's sticking to his plan, and overall Supernatural has fostered an environment that has allowed for brilliant writing of plots rather than the writing of plots based on the appeasement of fans. The latest episode even went as far as to say "screw you" to fans who didn't agree. And guess what...most of the fans are happy that Kripke is sticking to his guns. I say that we the fans of Smallville would have also been much happier had TPTB had a plan that they stuck strictly to without veering off course to appease certain segments of viewers. As long as they had a plan and knew they could stick to it, they could slow it down to extend it to further seasons if they wanted to elongate the show (as Smallville has done), or leave it as-is if they wanted to end the show by a certain season. I think it would have been awesome. Because I find it very strange how the writers of Asylum, Transference, and Commencement (Slavkin & Swimmer) are the same writers that did Power, Blue, and Recruit. The first 3 seasons had a definite plan to them (Clark's self discovery in season 1, Clark's discovery of where he came from in season 2, and his conflict with doing what's morally right vs. doing what's legally right in season 3).

The writing in season 3 especially focused on the dramatic elements between non-romantic relationships (Lex-Lionel, Chloe-Lionel, Clark-Jonathan, Clark-Jor-El, Clark-Lex, Clark-Lionel, Chloe-Lex, Clark-Pete, and Lana-Lex). The quality of the scenes between Lex & Lionel was beyond superb & those between the other pairs were also way above average. My father, who could care less about this show, was even watching them as I watched Memoria, Shattered, Asylum, Velocity, Forsaken, Legacy, and other episodes over the past few days. This aspect of the show has been lost and never came back after season 3. And I miss it dearly. They have a great chance to bring it back in season 9 if they bring in Intergang & focus on core Superman characters and feature other DC heroes for 2 episodes or less throughout the season. Season 3 had a mob element to it and if Intergang is brought in for season 9 that same element will return. I just hope they don't ruin it this time by focusing on things that don't belong like other DC heroes. The bad thing is they don't have that Lex-Lionel dynamic anymore. Lionel's evil role hasn't been filled by any other character yet. To make up for this, they need to have characters like Clark, Jimmy, Lois, Pete, Martha, Perry White, etc have dramatic scenes with members of Intergang so that the non-romantic drama can once again build up like it did during season 3.

This is just my $0.02 though & I'm not targetting any specific shippers, but instead pointing out the mistakes made by the powers that be.

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She has her vices which she overcomes. I think it makes her human and will show her strength in the long run.

This is still young lois lane. And a picture of perfection would not an interesting character make.

In my opinion, the only thing Smallville messed up about Lois is her development of becoming a reporter (which was also lacking for Clark). Both of these characters should have been shown going to college & perhaps interning for some sort of newspaper starting in season 7.

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Thank you. I was so excited I posted this on another thread, and they were like, "no, I think she was worried about Chloe."

No way in heck. That whole scene played so beautifully to exactly how she felt about them. Plus, if she was really worried about Chloe, she'd stay and help Clark find her. And, she said "I'm going to star city. I'll be there until I hear from...Chloe." She had to hesitate because she was going to say "u" It was all there.

Wow. That was so powerful.

I completely disagree. Lois isn't that shallow or selfish. I'd expect something like that from Lana but not Lois. She went with Jimmy because he was Chloe's husband, he was in danger of dying, and there was nothing she could do for Chloe at the moment. Plus, she knew that Clark could be depended on, though this time she had some doubt due to the nature of the monster that kidnapped Chloe (even though Lois never saw DD). I'm sure Lois' opinion of Clark in Infamous was even better after bringing Chloe back safely & in one piece and clearing those doubts from her system. I think that may have been the final piece of the puzzle to Lois that she needs Clark.

This the thing about Lois & Clark in Smallville. Lois has always felt she needed someone but never felt that anyone needed her. Clark on the other hand always felt needed but never felt he truly needed someone. We can see this with the way they live their lives. Lois has always been a go-getter, not holding herself back from what she wants. Clark has always put others' needs ahead of his own and has suffered as a result. After considering all of this it's not so unbelievable why he's so mopey, though I think it's writing that's to be descibed as full of s--t because Smallville's Clark is the one being left behind all the time rather than going forward before anyone else. Anyway, the ironic thing is that Clark is Lois' exception and Lois is Clark's exception. Lois is afraid to be a go-getter with Clark while Clark will ultimately place his own desires ahead and be a go-getter when it comes to Lois, though I really do want him to be shown as a go-getter with his career & other aspects of his life, otherwise he will be nothing but a loser.

His thing with Lana wasn't really a need, but a severely unnatural obsession. If you look at it, the Clana relationship was mainly based on Lana's neediness of Clark, to protect her from meteor freaks and eventually, Lex (something Clark knew all the time about Lex but Lana didn't until Progeny). In season 4 when Lana was involved with Jason (who Clark didn't view as a threat), he wasn't obsessed with Lana anymore. From then on, Lana was on his mind only when she was screwing around with the black ship, Lex, and Clark's own secret (in season 6). The only reason he reconsidered her in season 6 was to get her away from Lex. This is not a reason to truly want to be with someone. He was putting Lana's safety ahead of what his actual feelings for Lana were, and it was shown that he didn't have the same feelings for her anymore. In Hydro, we could see how disgusted he was. From Nemesis on, we could see that his only purpose was to free Lana from Lex. Once he got Lana in season 7, there were no sparks but disappointment. Then the coma thing happened & Clark felt guilty. Seriously, if I was Clark, I would have been relieved at seeing that video in Arctic.

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"SV" doesn't do subtle - they don't know how. And, in this case, I think that attitude will come back to bit them where the sun don't shine. They already had to slow down and make ambigious the feelings from Clark's side, to account for Clana closure. And, now, they upped the ante from Lois's side so much that it seems as though Clark will never catch up.

I totally agree that they don't do subtle, certainly not anymore. In the first few seasons they were able to. We got undertones of ships, but without those undertones taking over the entire episode like a soap opera. Shimmer is a good example of a much more subtle episode in season 1. We had 'ship elements, but there weren't tons of anvils and romantic ship moments as you said.

That's why for the last few seasons, there are episodes that are erupting with 'ships (Bride) & those that are purely plot based (Eternal). One of the biggest reasons is because they only have Lois appearing in a certain number of episodes, so they feel like they need to pour it on strong when she's there. They did the same thing with Jimmy in Turbulence by having his reaction against Chloe be way more over the top than it should have been. I actually liked Lana in the early seasons, but had the Clana stuff back then lacked the subtlety it had, I would have hated the relationship & Lana back then as well.

Committed had very strong Clark-Lois interaction & 'ship moments, but it totally lacked subtlety. Same with Bride. One of the better episodes in terms of subtlety was Plastique. But I have yet to see an episode with Lois & Clark that has each character being seen doing their own thing (i.e. on-screen) for most of the episode with a few moments where they hint at the feelings between them. I'm waiting for the day they can write the show like that. With Doomsday as the main plot, they can't really do this. But with Intergang (if this happens in S9) they certainly can.

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You know, after Lois comes back she needs to put up a wall and stop wearing her heart on her sleeve so we can finally see Clark trying to win her over. I also desperately DESPERATELY need another RedK episode. Puuuuuuhleeeeeeeze PS3, with sugar on top. :p

I want a red-k episode, but not one where it makes Clark hook up with Lois. That was done in Crimson and has gotten old. I hate the way red-k was used after Phoenix. Exile & Phoenix were the last episodes where red-k was properly used.

I wouldn't mind if red-k makes Lois a witness of a completely different side to Clark---the side we last saw in Exile & Phoenix---and gets Lois more interested while some of Clark's actions draw him closer to Lois. But I want red-k's effects on his career & the RBB to be shown. I want red-k to make Clark join Intergang & then screw them over in a bigtime operation early in season 9 as a setup to an RBB vs. Intergang storyline. A byproduct of this would be Lois' interest in the complexity of Clark and Clark's realization that any elevated fondness for Lois he had while on red-k was real and something that he really wants deep down.

As a matter of fact, I would even like some mistreatment of Lois while on red-k, as this is the true effect of red-k. And Clark wanting to make it up to Lois after the fact will show that Lois is worth his efforts and could add to the "chase" element. I don't want it to be angst-driven like it was with Lana at the end of Red. I think they could pull it off by having Clark open up parts of his secret to Lois to explain red-k's effects.

The bottom line is red-k is NOT a love potion. It may have been used like that in Unsafe & Crimson, but the original use of red-k was to want Clark to live his life the way he would without bounds. In red-k's next appearance (if there is one) I would love to see this elevate Clark's heroics by having a 1-upmanship game with the Green Arrow by having the RBB go on a hero spree, by having Clark be super-competitive for articles & scoops he would write, beating everyone else to the punch, and set up an RBB vs. Intergang storyline for season 9 & possibly 10.

I think the red-k aftermath would make for interesting banter between Clark & Lois too and will result in both parties raising the level of the game.

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I almost feel like I've seen it too many times to judge clearly. But what if Lois' plea to Clark kind of inspires him to constantly save the world for Lois. Like, he's making the world a better place for her and that gives him some internal joy. Can that be one of his driving forces and would that make sense with what we've seen?

Her innate desire for the world to be better is so resilient and she always seems to be free to voice those concerns to him.

No, Clark doesn't do what he does for Lois. He does it because he was raised by his parents to do it. He knows he has abilities that nobody else has & he can help people with them. He was facing evil on this show & putting himself in danger long before Lois ever appeared on this show. Elevating his game & facing the supervillians & other dangers he will fight is a result of growing up & adapting his powers on a larger scale.

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The fact the her feelings are hitting her kind of suddenly and she's unable to suppress it is realistic.

I agree. It is especially realistic given that she ignored them for so long and she can no longer do so. Without fully realizing it until recently, Clark has lived up to & even surpassed Lois' expectations so many times that she can't ignore it. He was always there for Lois & her family. I think that's why she can't hate Clark even after he stood her up.

[Canary]

I agree. It is especially realistic given that she ignored them for so long and she can no longer do so. Without fully realizing it until recently, Clark has lived up to & even surpassed Lois' expectations so many times that she can't ignore it. He was always there for Lois & her family. I think that's why she can't hate Clark even after he stood her up.

that's what i was thinking, aswell & i think clark was scared that if he diden't stand up lois, that it would just turn into the whole lana thing again

[Pretty Poison]

Fluff or not, i friggin loved Bride. I cheesesd like a little girl in a toy store. But Clark is an IDIOT for turning down Lois! I can understand he was still hung up on Lana and all and i guess it still wasn't the right time for Lois, but it was still a great tease!

[u2rocks2009]

some one should shoot clark with a kriptonite bullet


LMAO where's Lex when you need him :rotfl:

Too funny.:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: However I still thought the chemistry and acting between TW and Ed phenomenal. I can be patient as the only reason I got hooked on Smallville to begin with was their interactions starting from Season 4.

[RyanE]

I like Bride, the tension between Clark and Lois is so thick you could cut it with a knife! Lol, and Lois was gorgeous in that dress, Clark looked sharp in the tux.

I like how Ollie basically confirmed Clois for us all.

[Cage]

I like Bride, the tension between Clark and Lois is so thick you could cut it with a knife! Lol, and Lois was gorgeous in that dress, Clark looked sharp in the tux.

I like how Ollie basically confirmed Clois for us all.

No matter what - and now it's 2 years later - Clark, the Clark we saw in Bride - and the writers - deserve a shoe up their b***.

That Lois was fantastic - all she did was make him relaxed and happy - as soon as tptb brought in Lana, they set the show back months - if not years.

That they got together in spite of that definitely shows that Lois Lane is one He** of a fantastic person.

Shame on you Clark, I used to feel sorry for all the other Clarks (CR, DK, BR) but YOU personally just showed me that Lois was the good one after all.

LOL :rotfl: